Jesus says he was here before thus reincarnated!

This evaluation of Jesus quotes reveals the potential for evidence that Jesus said he had come before and left to go back to the Father.

Joh 16:19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?

Joh 16:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

Note: Verily was a way of saying “truthfully” so wasn’t simply an idiom or near useless term as “furthermore” would be.

Joh 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

Note: Here He has multiple reasons to use the woman giving birth analogy as it’s directly related to the “spirit birth” He was leading them towards, that they would not be ready for until he returned and that was going to happen in a little while, but then he told them a lot of other things were going to happen before he came back again for their potential harvest.

Joh 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Joh 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

Joh 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Note here that Jesus is referring to His Father as “himself” -that’s a person right and a different person than himself, so there goes the all in one idea. But where that idea is accurate is in that all the members of the Kingdom of Heaven do work as one unit, whether it’s a team on Earth or in a laboratory inside a distant planetary body or in an invisiable spacecraft inside the atmosphere of Earth managing in “spirit” form all the discarnate human plants and souls (sons(children of God) in training and their assigned advasaries, aka satan and fallen angel souls that become like fertilizer for a soul to grow by warding off.

So Jesus refers here to God which is in Greek:

2316
 qeoV
theos
theh’-os
 of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very:–X exceeding, God, god(-ly, -ward).
3588
 o
ho
ho, including the feminine
 he hay, and the neuter to to in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom):–the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.
 
*** Thus THE ONLY Supreme divinity ***

Now the watered down translation in the bible program:
 
2316 theos {theh’-os}
 of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the supreme Divinity; TDNT – 3:65,322; n m
 AV – God 1320, god 13, godly 3, God-ward + 4214 2, misc 5; 1343
 1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities 2) the Godhead, trinity 2a) God the Father, the first person in the trinity 2b) Christ, the second person of the trinity 2c) Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity 3) spoken of the only and true God 3a) refers to the things of God 3b) his counsels, interests, things due to him 4) whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way 4a) God’s representative or viceregent 4a1) of magistrates and judges

It’s watered down because of all the trinity stuff. That needs to be explained if it’s going to be used but hardly anyone understands it so they can’t very well explain it so they just put words down, though that ends up confusing more plain thinkers that aren’t so mystified by everything.

And Jesus spoke of his “Father” (who he told us to pray/petition to while he was in heaven) as someone he worked for (worshipped) and prayed to “our father who art in heaven” but God is a (Greek Pneuma) Spririt/Mind/Soul, not someone in that context but referring to the entire Kingdom with the Chief of Chiefs as the top of of the pyramid.
 
Here is the pater define for Father:

3962 pater {pat-ayr’}
 apparently a root word; TDNT – 5:945,805; n m
 AV – Father 268, father 150; 419
 1) generator or male ancestor 1a) either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents 1b) a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David 1b1) fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation 1c) one advanced in years, a senior 2) metaph. 2a) the originator and transmitter of anything 2a1) the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself 2a2) one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds 2b) one who stands in a father’s place and looks after another in a paternal way 2c) a title of honour 2c1) teachers, as those to whom pupils trace back the knowledge and training they have received 2c2) the members of the Sanhedrin, whose prerogative it was by virtue of the wisdom and experience in which they excelled, to take charge of the interests of others 3) God is called the Father 3a) of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler 3b) of all rational and intelligent beings, whether angels or men, because he is their creator, preserver, guardian and protector 3b1) of spiritual beings and of all men 3c) of Christians, as those who through Christ have been exalted to a specially close and intimate relationship with God, and who no longer dread him as a stern judge of sinners, but revere him as their reconciled and loving Father 3d) the Father of Jesus Christ, as one whom God has united to himself in the closest bond of love and intimacy, made acquainted with his purposes, appointed to explain and carry out among men the plan of salvation, and made to share also in his own divine nature 3d1) by Jesus Christ himself 3d2) by the apostles

Note: Again, all this verbage to simply confuse what they don’t understand.

Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Note: As minor as it appears, a big key word here is “again”. Now, whether this was punctuated wrong or not it’s indicating either or both that he “came into the world before this time, but using the punctuation means he will leave the world “again”. Well when did he leave the world before then to go to as he said “go to the Father”? Elijah was said to have been witnessed by Elisha, his partner to have been taken up by a whirlwind of fire, one of the Buddha’s, Moses (who walked off into the desert and when he was looked for his remains were never found, perhaps being “taken” as well or Enoch who was said to have “walked with God” and was “taken” by God. Is it possible these personalities were all the same “son of God” working with the souls of the flock His Father gave him, as he also said.

Who else in the records evidenced the same teachings – those that show the most congruent indications – requireing leaving all behind to “deny yourself” – given your will over to your Father (who art in Heaven, the literal sky/upper atmosphere, sun, moon, star areas wherever their membership is spread out so to speak amoung “many dwelling places (mansions), perhaps large types of spacecrafts), take up your cross (be prepared to die – (sacrifice) for your belief, the only thing that makes common sense from “turn the other cheek”) and “follow me” which was both literal at the time he was in a physical incarnation and by following his ways as he was representing all the ways in which we must change our minds to receive Holy Mind/Spirit/Ghost’s mind).

Now some may argue that he was simply about to repeat himself so was making such a remark as if to say…’okay again, or furthermore, I leave the world, and go to the Father’ so could have been a blemish in the original fragment/manuscript as it’s a slightly different Greek word. But then this isn’t being written as narrative and from the other quotes there doesn’t seem to be many such meaningless idioms or such expressed, no sarcasm or slang noticed anywhere, thus pretty safe to say that was not what this use of “again” represents. By the way “again”, the greek word was:

(But before I continue…As I research and write this, I hadn’t seen the definition for “again” in the Greek word palin (below) but then noticed that it is suggesting this usage was as 3823 – through the idea of “oscillatory(vibratory) repetition” of all things. I haven’t the foggiest idea why they needed to say oscillatory here and when one looks at many of the 200+ places that word or a similar term is used within the new testement records, it’s simply used to express renewal or a return or to repeat something as expected.

But I guess the real question would be whether or not by “again” he was referring to his explanation or to the meaning of his explanation. As this was recounted from His attempting to teach his students, wouldn’t he know that repetition is necessary in teaching anything.

Here’s the Strongs Greek dictionary definition of the English word “again” as used in this scripture:

3825
 palin
palin
pal’-in
 probably from the same as palh – pale 3823 (through the idea of oscillatory repetition); (adverbially) anew, i.e. (of place) back, (of time) once more, or (conjunctionally) furthermore or on the other hand:–again.
 
When you refer to what this translator is saying is “probably” it’s root 3823 below:

3823
 palh
pale
pal’-ay
 from pallo (to vibrate; another form for 906); wrestling:–+ wrestle.
 
that has who knows what to do with “again” except that it’s taking about doing something repeatedly. Was taht word implying many repeats, which could explain it but then many repeats of what.

Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

So what he is repeating is his “leaving the world AND going to the Father”, which was simply his tast to perhaps many, many times past.

Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
Joh 16:31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?
Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

note: He never said for a moment that there would ever be world peace thus everyone who is quoting jesus in any way and using that to suggest the mission of any would be disciple would be to help bring about world peace. The peace he was talking about is in knowing who we are connecting with and how simple that is intellectually to settle upon, thus relaxing any anxiety in our exposure to the myrid of false prophets and such as it becomes easier and easier to identify the fraudulent prophets – spiritual and/or religious and/or intellectual speakers and teachers.

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