Commentary on Bart D. Ehrman’s book headline for Jesus Interrupted

The following is a summary of the work of Bart D. Ehrman, addressing his latest of perhaps over a dozen books called: Jesus Interrupted, that he has been lecturing on and has interviewed about  in the media. He has a lengthy biography in religious Christian centered studies yet I find the salient points he lists as attractions to his latest work trivial and missing the mark of what Jesus is all about.

Now perhaps his other books about Jesus are better, but I don’t have access to them so I am commenting on what little I do see. If you wish to see for yourself the full breadth of his work his website is: http://www.bartdehrman.com

As I posted to Bart D. Ehrman’s facebook page from my facebook page: Sawyer Heavensgate:

I probably wrote to you before and know it’s unlikely that I will get a response as I recognize you are very busy and sent me an auto response when I emailed you so you probably won’t look at what I’m writing, but in my opinion you are treading on thin ice with God, if what you are doing is discrediting the things Jesus said and casting down on why he said them and what their application may be. You may not be doing so directly but the implications, in my opinion sure don’t foster belief in what Jesus said as you seek to cast further doubt on it all, though perhaps unintentionally.

It’s like an atheist that because of the lies and distortions and misunderstanding and misinterpretations and profiteering and politicking embedded with and surrounding all religions,  think there is no Creator Kingdom of God – throwing out the baby with the bath water. And of course this is the choice we always have but at this time because of my experiences I must bring to mind what I think Jesus might say in regards to your writings, at least in this one book and pertaining to what you listed on your web site as the salient advertising points.

Below are your quotes from your web page and my comments below each that I will publish on my blog:  http://www.sawyerhg.wordpress.com

A real researcher, when made aware of additional data would not be able to avoid giving a good look at what I have written about Jesus on my blog and in many other places, though I know it’s most often written in poor style and hardly edited and disorganized as no one cares to assist me with time or energy to do so, and I am not formally trained to write, so I plug on and there is so, so, so much to say that just may not have ever been said.

But to briefly address some of your points that it appears you think are impressive and are bringing you some popularity and potential income in the sale of books and lectures, that yes I am more or less fed up with because of how success breeds arrogance and thinking we are an authority, I address in brief your points:

1. Only 8 of the 27 books of the New Testament were actually written by the authors to whom they’re attributed. Others are likely forgeries.

Sawyer’s comment: I take most issue with the use of the term “forgeries”. This is a very, very, very serious claim and especially if the alleged forgeries are the bulk of the record of what Jesus was quoted to have said. Even if the names used: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not someones birth names absolutely doesn’t make them forgeries at all, it just makes them authored anonymously and one could understand wanting to be anonymous when so many are looking to literally kill anyone who talks about Jesus in a light that might tend to agree with who he said and demonstrated himself to be/represent.

Pitiful sensationalism is what it appears to me is most going on here. Otherwise you would state an example of what was said that doesn’t seem to be what Jesus would have said, as opposed to putting into question all written by the said forged materials.

The devil is not in the details, it’s in the generalities.

2. The gospels provide remarkably divergent portrayals of Jesus.

Sawyer’s comment: “Remarkably divergent”. You are striking me more and more as someone who is afraid of the tons of completely agreeable portrayals. Don’t you know that it’s what he said that holds such tremendous consistency, though I admit the churches (all of them fear being honest with themselves and the public so twist many of the things Jesus said to be anything other than the literal interpretation when often the literal interpretation appears to be completely meant to be literal.

I can imagine the issues you will focus on. Like perhaps one is his weeping in the garden, not wanting to lay his life down while he was saying all alone that this was a big part of why he came. Or perhaps it’s the talk of “why have you forsaken me”, which likely meant – where are you, when will I see you, where are you OR the psalm with those similar words – a prayer rather than some notion that he lost faith in his Heavenly Father. Sure there are other such things but they are all still trivial compared to the full recorded body of what he said.

3. The message of the Apostle Paul and the message of gospel writer Matthew are completely at
odds over the question of whether a follower of Jesus also had to observe the Jewish law.

Sawyer’s comment: Well, what’s the reason for that. Paul was a near complete charlatan, though he didn’t know it because he was fooled by whatever it was that blinded him on the road to Damascus and said they were Jesus. Paul is really the root of the current entire Christian movement. He directed new believers to look to him as an authority and teacher and he was neither, not by any stretch of the imagination and I could write a book 10 times thicker than all his letters put together with the evidence of why. He was an egotist and he never knew Jesus, never talked with him, never laughed or cried with him or looked to him for help and answers and guidance. He made himself an apostle against the wishes of some of those who were direct followers of Jesus.  He could hardly quote Jesus because all he got was second-hand at best. And Luke’s gospel reflects some of Paul’s influence it seems to me, though I could be wrong.

Here’s one of hundreds of examples:

1Co 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.

(he sounds like he thinks he’s a “Father”, a pope)

1Co 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Paul has begotten (birthed them)? He is setting himself up as a Christ, just like we see with many of the religious teachers worldwide and to date those of various new age spiritual persuasions as well as many arrogant atheists do, just with a language of science. He didn’t birth anybody. At best he was a messenger that is IF and only IF he passed on as accurately as possible only what he was told Jesus said.

1Co 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

This is pure Luciferian doing co-opting “follow…me” which is why the Kingdom of God allows such Luciferians to exist beyond each gardens housecleaning time that we are soon approaching.

1Co 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

Now maybe Timothy was his biological or foster son, but what is this Timotheus going to do – “bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ”. If he was a disciple of Jesus he would be talking about trying to hear and understand what jesus said. It’s really that simple to distinguish the false prophet from the legitimate prophet. his “ways” – what about Jesus ways?

Is it any wonder that the current christian denominations hardly teach anything Jesus taught. The Christians are among the biggest Antichrist that exist to date. Yes the Antichrist will come first and that first representation of Antichrist commandeered that vehicle called Saul of Tarsus and created a facsimile of a disciple but actually a shadow opposite.

1Co 4:18 Now some are puffed up, as though I would not come to you.
1Co 4:19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power.
1Co 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

And he talks about how some are puffed up. Well it takes one to see one doesn’t it. And then to say “the Kingdom of God is not in word” is direct blasphemy and the only unforgivable sin according to Jesus – calling the word (holy spirit) ineffective or not representative of the Kingdom of God.

4. The Nicene Creed and the Trinity were constructs of the later church and are not found in the pages of the Bible.

Sawyer’s Comment: Wrong about the idea of the trinity as a construct though correct about the way it was used by the Church to bastardize the idea. Jesus looked to his Father. The “Father” was clearly another different person but the church hated the idea that there were more than one in the Heavenly Kingdom though in “Gen 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness…”

English word used: “God” had its Hebrew origin according to Strong’s Concordance as: 0430 ‘elohiym {el-o-heem’}
 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods

Jesus called himself a “son of man” and said he tried to say and do everything his Father gave him to say and do and that it was this other person he called the Father that even gave him his disciples.

and Jesus spoke of the Holy Ghost: Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost(Spirit/Mind/Soul) shall not be forgiven unto men.

Ghost= 4151 pneuma (pnyoo’-mah)
 from pnew – pneo 4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit:–ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare yuch – psuche 5590.
 
Now how did this turn into seeming like ONE Theology? Well, regardless of the machinations we know occurred in history after Jesus floated up with his physical body into a “cloud of light” before many witnesses to were apprehended and killed for testifying to it all, again those in government seeking to further co-opt the growing movement to believe in who Jesus was that really upset the status quo apple carts of all who were entrenched, and not understanding much at all of what Jesus was about to begin with and especially the gospel of John that was hotly debated whether to include it or not in the authorized writings, they seemed to take advantage of John’s writings where Jesus said, “the Father and I are one”, and “if you know me you know the Father…” etc.

However, the fact is that they are both different people and the structure of the Kingdom of God is hierarchical to where every member was “fathered” into membership by an existing member and that what they must have in common to be in the same family tree is the MIND aka Spirit aka Consciousness aka Word that IS equivalent to an animal’s blood within each member of the Kingdom of God. It’s a service modeled kingdom with each younger member so respecting and acknowledging and recognizing their Older Member as Above/greater than they while being thankful to them for putting out an amazing effort and type of sacrifice to help others have what they know they have – eternal life in a non-mammalian non-predatory environment doing many real tasks for the overall Kingdom, but through each Older Member who oversees each operation but never does the work for their younger members or in the case of humans, prospective candidates for membership.

So the trinity simply represents the basis structure of the kingdom of Heaven. You have elders and youngins and youngins become elders to other youngins if they take on that kind of task while what they have in common is the same blood/mind that is a certain voltage or power that provides their “celestial” bodies (different from human) with the power supply it requires to operate for the tasks they are engaged.

5. Traditional doctrines such as the suffering Messiah, the divinity of Christ, and the notion of heaven and hell are not based on the teachings of the historical Jesus.

Sawyer’s Comment: I guess this depends on what you are referring to as the “traditional” parts to the aforementioned  doctrines. Jesus certainly had something to say about each of the “doctrines” you listed. I could document this with scripture but am going to take a slight shortcut and require readers to see for themselves, but:

On suffering: Jesus spoke about “pressing into the KIngdom of Heaven” and “taking the Kingdom of Heaven by force(violently)” and being hated by virtually everyone that hated him and leaving all behind and giving up one’s own will to the Father/him and following with him physically, a dangerous think to do and not fearing those who can kill the body. In other words it took significant effort and Jesus demonstrated how hard it was for him to willingly walk into the trap he’d arranged by asking if there was some way he wouldn’t have to do it. If that’s not suffering what is?

On Jesus’ divinity: He said he was not of this world, and said he came from the literal heaven’s, a place with many dwelling places where they don’t die nor marry, etc. He said that even the least in the Kingdom of Heaven was greater than the greatest human being. He said that Moses and the prophets spoke of his coming and that he was greater than the prophets and came to fulfill the prophets and the laws they portrayed. Moses wrote genesis where it outlines the very creation of the Earth and the distant and close heaven’s (stars, sun, moon, sky, etc.). He predicted that he would demonstrate having conquered death and then before at the least over a dozen witnesses showed he did what he said was going to do. So what leaves us in doubt that he represented to us the closest thing we are going to get that is divine another way of thinking being “above human” as human is above animal and animal is above plant.

on Heaven: Jesus taught his followers to pray by saying, “our Father who is above human and from outer space, your will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. He told us when he returned, (which there is a ton of evidence that he has this time incarnate both Father and Son as those called Ti and Do of the Heaven’s Gate group), he would speak “plainly” not in parable of the (heavenly) kingdom. He said it was a kingdom thus many membered and with a hierarchy of those who simply have been there longer.

on hell – he spoke about hades, and the underworld, under the earth as a place of perishing thus once sided against the Kingdom of God all end up. It was termed the “Second death” in the book of Revelations that Jesus brought to John.

6. The commonly told story of Jesus — his birth, death, and resurrection is actually a composite of four vastly different gospel narratives.

Sawyer’s Comments: Vastly different – well certainly not on the most salient points. Sure they have differences but are we as Jesus said, “swinging at a gnat and then swallowing a camel” to point out the tiny differences no matter how many while alluding to there being something lacking in the overall picture of what happened?

He was born, awakened, blew his trumpet announcing his mission, gathered those given to him ahead of time by his father, taught and did some special things to help them belief was captured and murdered and somehow survived a deadly ordeal,  demonstrated he was still a physical being, though of a different composure at one point and before witnesses, including two unusual people in very bright clothing rose into a cloud of light while those two said this was always the way he comes and goes.

Sure all the various perspectives are great but they in no way take away from these points unless people seek to shoot it down because they fear what it suggests, which I understand is hard and especially with the backdrop of what the religious say, as they are way off the mark.

When I was a youngster, on my own I would try to understand what Jesus was quoted to have said and I was always puzzled by it all, but still felt he was miles above us all, for obvious reasons. There is no way in the world what he taught could become popular unless it was significantly and almost totally watered down. It was actually meant to be watered down, otherwise it wouldn’t have had so many wanting to distribute the information that the Kingdom of God made sure still held the core information as in the red-letter editions of the four gospels.

I only can see what I can see regarding the historic Jesus record because my family tree has genetic memory of the time when Jesus was actually around and I was like a horse that was captured/raptured in 1975 by The TWO Witnesses (Father and Son/Jesus team spoken of as the UFO Cult and lived with and studied under for 19 years those eventually called Ti and Do who laid down their lives in 1997 as what the media referred to as the Heaven’s Gate cult. It’s very clear to me, even having left them, that Do was the same soul as was incarnate as Jesus and Elijah, and Moses and Enoch and Adam actually and I sought to live as Jesus laid out was absolutely required to be his disciple and saw the fruit of doing so, so am in process of sharing that with all I meet.

I don’t mean to sound sarcastic at times or condescending. It’s a byproduct of so much refusal to even consider who Ti and Do really are. I mean nothing personal against anyone though I must be as direct as possible as there are consequences to spreading disinformation knowingly and doing so without knowing is a gray area. Now I have nothing to do with those consequences. I’m also a student, just one who had a huge body of information and experience given to me for no reason of my own.

So for your sake, that is if you, the reader or the author I am reviewing at this time want to grow their relationship with the Kingdom of God, I suggest talking to that true far from Earth Kingdom of God to learn if what I am saying is from them and if so know that there is a ton more that you all can get direct by looking into all that Ti and Do said and taught and did while they were incarnate that can be found on HeavensGate.com and with some downloads on HeavensGatetoo.com and Youtube.com under channel names: 1RiverofAngels or mine: 3SPM or within files on: http://www.4shared.com/dir/14534948/45fa3e91/sharing.html and on my blogtalkradio.com/sawyer broadcast most wednesday’s 10pm-12am.

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2 Responses to “Commentary on Bart D. Ehrman’s book headline for Jesus Interrupted”

  1. Raj Patel – Maitreya – The Antichrist – The Dajjal – Part 6 [NEW!!!] | Net Novac | Oglašavanje i zarada novca Says:

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  2. sawyer Says:

    So I checked out this video and it’s all about Raj Patel this video maker’s assertion that Raj is lucifer incarnate thus the antichrist. And this was sent to me by distinquished biblical professor and theologian known world wide and publisher of book “Jesus interrrupted”, Bart Dl Ehrman. So I watched it. Here is the evidence they presented that Raj a food critic and publisher is satan/lucifer: They say he (1) doesn’t blink his eyes for minutes and that’s impossible for a human thus he is not human. I counted at least 8 blinks. (2) He raises his head upward when he talks to a crowd thus he is acting like lucifer looking down on others, they say. (3) Film of Raj on a talk show and it takes callers and only one caller calls in and one can not understand what this person is saying. His voice sounds like a hollywood satanic voice, like a heavy metal goth band singer. The video says Raj manipulated his vocal chords from a distance as it was a call in show to keep the caller from revealing something to the audience I suppose about Raj’s true nature. (4) there is a building behind him when he was filmed on Democracy Now that has a minor pyramid shape thus that’s a sign he is lucifer.

    Isn’t it interesting that this is all they have on Lucifer and from a so called well respected man who gives talks on NPR and all over the world on the bible. I’m not saying Bart D. Ehrman put this video together. I have no idea. The handle on youtube is: TheTruthIsFromGod in case anyone wants to see it. The url I watched is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y-TQHAhgJc&NR=1

    I’m dissappointed that Bart could only say this in response to my article. I am grateful he or one of his associates took the time to respond at all to my post and/or comments I put on his website as I don’t know what brought him to my blog here. Perhaps he thinks I am promoting Maitreya which the video starts out outlining in Benjiman Creme’s words from his share international site and that part does show many similarities with luciferian tactics (at least as I see those tactics throughout history). The real beings acting in Luciferian terms, though they don’t necessarily have those names as the real “fallen angels” are probably dead, though their spirits still exist and hang around the offspring they spawned thus the offspring no doubt exist and do the bidding of whoever is pulling the new vehicles strings to which there are thousand who could qualify. I guess I need to write an article on how to identify Luciferian tactics but they are really so simple. They are human. Smiles and the lure of sweet grapes in all the material and sensual forms are his trademarks for one segment of the population. Religions for another – all of them. Government colonialism is yet another. Space adventures yet another. Technology production yet another. It’s not that all these things are not “normal” for humans to pursue – it’s that they are of no value to new membership in the one true non-spacealien Level Above Human so in the end all things human become tactics to keep humans human as then they will continue to be profitable to the agenda of the Luciferians for as long as they can use them, which is quickly coming to a close for a while. Then lucifierans will again be allowed to influence a new planting of soul seeds to help them learn how to differentiate what is Godly from what is Luciferian, which largly takes place within our heads, though plays out in word and deed or misdeed but that we can all learn by and choose what to allow to dominate us and what to be in allegience to: as Jesus said, “God(level above human) or Mammonous: treasure/wealth and the human condition.

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