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Ti Do and students blowing of the trumphet of Father/Son Arrival

March 30, 2011

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Questions about Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate early days:
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1) This is really good information. I’d like to know a little more about that book TI and DO wrote while in Boerne, before they hit the road in 1973. Did this book have characters, a story, a plot, settings? Did anything happen in the story?

2) The details you’ve given here on the meetings and groups splitting up is good. I’m wondering about the timeline. I’m sorry, but it’s a little confusing to follow.

3) Did Bo and Peep take their names and give the Class names at the same time? When was that?

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Sawyer’s response:
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1) The book was not in story form at all. It was like a lecture on the times mostly from Ti’s perspective, a Theosophical perspective that brought in both Hindu Vedic examples and Jesus examples. The setting was their both awakening but that wasn’t laid out in it. It wasn’t like an autobiography. It was a revelation but without all the figures/stories representations – just plain no nonsense talk which was Ti’s Motis Operandi.

2) The timeline for splitting up was pretty well documented. It was mid October when the news broke nationally saying the mysterious two were the two thieves applwhite and nettles. I recall that because there was a hoax meeting of the group announced at a book store in San Francisco or perhaps it was Berkley to be held on October 31st, Halloween that I went to. I don’t recall how I found out about it as the group I was in by then had broken up, though most of us agreed to meet at that book store. So there were a bunch of us milling around the book store that night and there learned a meeting had been organized at the park in Berkley a few days later which I attended as did others from my group but was organized by a group headed by Jwnody and her partner who never became an ody. Jwnody was actually pregnant at that time though didn’t seem to show much yet. A bunch of people joined from that Berkley meeting including Rkkody and rthody whose house I stayed at for a few days before heading to a Mt. Diablo camping area where new members and some slightly lesser new members were camping. There wern’t many members there who actually were with Ti and Do as I recall around the campfire telling people everything They had said and did up until we split up in Chicago. My partner was dndody then who came into the group from waldport meeting as well, as did her partner prkody who was partnered at first in Colorado with my partner in the world later named srfody (sarah). Dndody left while still in Texas in the early 80’s I’d guess. Prkody left in around 1992 and has since died.

The meeting Dndody and I and our group and another group who had traveled out there that included jnnody, gave at Worchester Public Library that was full and held about 200 people was I say, in late November of 75 as I recall heading up to Montpelier, VT from Worchester to try to organize a meeting that we never pulled off for various reasons and I recall there were 6 of us in a van eating cold canned veggies and sleeping under the stars upon which one morning I awoke covered with snow. That was a difficult time and some of the newer members who had never met Ti and Do from the berkley area, one named Lightborn and the other called himself John the Baptist, but mostly Lightborn was very disruptive, and insisted on his way. At one point I told him to leave the group as every decision was an argument.

Funny that from Montpelier, we, Dndody and I, as the last car we had broke down in Vermont actually which caused us some grief when the police picked us up and took us to the station and were going to file charges of abandoning a vehicle, ended up riding with Lightborne and the John the Baptist fellow. (by the way, many chose biblical names but he was the only one I’d heard of who took john the baptist as a name.  I was phillip for long while but often changed it. Dndody was Dandy then.

All four of us were headed south and it wasn’t long to where the car broke down and we were in a sense relieved as we hitchhiked away from the other two. Dandy and I didn’t stop until we got to Brownsville, Texas and we were still cold sleepign in our sleeping bags. It was when we passed through Corpus Christi that I had a significant (to me) “ufo” sighting over the gulf when we were bedding down (seperatly of course) on the beach just south of the city limits. It was a huge bright light bigger than any star, like 4 large stars in size that steaked as fast as a meteor parrellel to the water starting at about a 45 degree angle from the north headed due south and when it was moreorless adjacent to me but like at a 60 degree angle upwards it did a seemingly exact 90 degree turn thus appeared to head directly into the water but it didn’t go that far. It went maybe 20 degrees downwards and did a second 90 degree sharp turn so it was headed south again until it was out of sight. I heard nothing and dandy missed it as it was start to finish over in approx. 3 seconds max as it went out of sight to the south. I remember thinking, “I wonder if there was anybody in that craft” as I felt it was. (by the way, I had not joined to get a ride on a ufo as some did, who did not stay very long, when it didn’t happen soon enough). I believed in UFO’s but didn’t know what I was believing in. It was like my belief at that time in a reality to spirits aka ghosts. I’d never encountered one exactly yet it seemed obvious to me that they existed. It was only a few year ago, around 2004 that I had two so called ghost sightings I could not deny and lots of lessor sightings that may be my eyes playing tricks on me though I tend to think not.

We held a small meeting in Brownsville and then headed north again and then visited with Dnody’s friends in Houston for a few days. Dndody was missing parker and was having a hard time of it by then but stayed with me though I was like a bull in a china shop filled with evengelical zeal so we headed towards florida along the gulf and when we got to panama city we stayed at a shelter and saw a poster on the telephone pole outside the shelter advertisign a meeting that looked like the same info we were a part of so we attended and listened to these two young men talk about Bo and Peep having never met them.

Some people in the audience asked about the people in waldport that dissappeared to join a ufo that last september to which these two didn’t know about as they had joined from somewhere else from a student held meeting. So hearing that Dandy and I stood up and announced we were two from the waldport meeting and the other two then invited us to join them in giving the meeting. They had a little sports car so we couldn’t ride with them so we agreed to head back to texas to do more meetings together and we did meet near austin and they decided to go it alone and I then got it into my head that we shouldn’t limit our “ministry” to texas due to the winter, so reluctantly dandy agreed as we headed north until we got to madison, WI where we organized a small meeting and had many talks and a few small meetings on the way.

From madison we began criss crossing from west to east and then east to west moreorless following highways and going further south each time we got to the mississippi, we’d take another road north or south and head back as far as denver. We would check churches for open doors and knocked on many doors, slept in the bushes around the Austin capital ground, stayed in shelters, stayed with people who picked us up and offerred their homes, were given a motel occasionally and sometimes money and other times food vouchers and all along we talked about bo and peep and jesus and the next Level if someone seemed curious enough and at times were told to leave a church or two as they said we were possessed by the devil.

We gave a meeting in Liberal, Kansas where we went to the newpaper and they wrongly published an article saying we, phillip and dandy were the two witnesses that included advertisign our meeting. I remember thinking, what if someone wants to kill the two, are they going to try to do so to us so at that start of the meeting, though I felt ready to die for the cause, I announced that the paper got it wrong. I don’t think anybody cared though most everyone knew from the news who we were apart of.

I remember it was spring and we were sleeping outdoors in Misourri or maybe it was arkansas at night I began to plead to the god in the heavens to be shown where to go and what to do. (At that point Ti and Do didn’t instuct us to look to them exclusively. They said to tell others and to think ourselves as speaking to members of the next level who are as far away into the heaven’s as we can imagine, in order to have less a chance for a discarnate to intercept our plea/prayer).

The next day or certainly within a couple we were going to the library in Oklahoma city and saw a poster adversitign a meeting so we attended and it was Bo and Peep with 6 classmates, some of whom we had met giving the meeting. So we got to meet with Ti and Do who seemed happy to see that we were still at it.

From that point on we were assigned a group. Apparantly by then there were about 6 groups still giving meetings town to town. We were sent to join one and it was headed by a partnership of Mark (mrcody and Jwnody(who by then was very pregnant)). In fact it was maybe a few weeks later that they, Mark who also went by Phillip then and june left the group to go to a small commune who wanted the baby to deliver the baby, which they did and I didnt’ see them til a month later.

This is when Ti cancelled the “harvest”. It was April 19th 1976 at a meetign that she made the announcement. Attendance was way off by then. We didnt’ immedieatly learn of the harvest closing so did several more meetings and then we had instruction to each spend concentrated time (nearly a week) pulling silently on what’s next for us and seeking to prepare to cleanse/focus our minds on our personal overcoming. We were in ST. Louis outskirts then and got word to all gather in Wyomign at veedavou campground in the Medicine Bow National forest.

This was the official beginning of the classroom. We gathered on July 4th 1976 at Veedavou.

3) I can’t actually say for sure which names came first, the change from Bo/Peep to Do/Ti (originally spelt Te) or our first ody names but my guess is Theirs came first but nearly at the same time for sure thus, I want to say 1977 as I believe it was after we’d spent the winter of 76 in Texas and had traveled back north to Wyoming where they leased some land from a big rancher.

Mark and Sarah both have or did have excellent memories so could probably pinpoint this time near exactly. This is the kind of thing that my memory can easily get confused about whereas concepts and instructions and verbal communications and their intent have always seemed to remain fairly strong in my memory.

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Ti and Do float airliner down to safety! Prophecy given to Sawyer and others?

March 24, 2011

Today, March 24, 2011, I awoke from a dream at about 7:30 am ET.  The dream was as follows:

 I was with someone else who I thought was my partner Anne but I’m not sure about who it was. We were watching a huge airliner flying overhead when it suddenly dropped. It didn’t drop or crash and the drop was not nose first and it was not a huge drop. It simply dropped as if had been hanging in the sky without forward motion and then all of a sudden it lost some feet in elevation that was significant enough to notice from our vantage point on the ground. I believe the person with me also saw the drop.

Then it began to drop further but not in the same sudden way. Instead it began to turn almost in a slow deliberate turning motion sort of the way a leaf from a tree might float down to earth, very gradually, very gently turning side to side some but maintaining it’s same balance as one would expect in a plane in flight.

There was no sense that it was traveling except downward and then it set down on the ground and there was a sense of it’s weight but there was no crash, no destruction. The next thing I noticed were what seemed like hundreds of people coming from the plane towards where we were standing and observing. I didn’t see them get off the plane but felt they were the airplanes passengers.

As they got closer I started shouting to them with exclamation…”This is a miracle, you all just witnessed a miracle – it was done by Ti and Do”. I saw zero reaction on the faces of the people I saw. It was like they didn’t even see me or hear me though I felt they could hear me but were stunned by what they experienced.

That was the end of the dream when I was woke by my partner having not heard the alarm and for the next 1/2 hour as I sought to help my 13 yr old daughter get out the door to school, it was very strange. I shared the dream with my partner and daughter asking if they had any kind of dream. neither said they recalled such. My partner though seemed especially disoriented this morning which is not at all normal for her. She was expecting me to find out what my daughter wanted for lunch, which is something I always do, but the fact that she was acting as if I had to be the one to ask our daughter when she was up and in the same room focused on also getting her out the door to school was kind of a bizarre behavior, thus my reason to say we were disoriented.

With this dream, as I have been inquiring to Do how he was to “use me”, as he said in a recent dream he felt he could, I wondered if He was giving me a type of forecast or prophecy that by putting out publicly would demonstrate the connection to Ti and Do I have (and that anyone can have if they ask Ti and Do for, though that connection and the service they must be willing to offer in some way, shape or form to demonstrate their seriousness in wanting that connection, accepting the task of sharing with others information about Ti and Do and accepting the ramifications).

I had wondered if Do would have me show anything to anyone that would seem miraculous so that people who are deluged with disinformation and illusion and distractions from what really is real all around us all the time to include a spirit world and even space alien activity, many conspiratorial human behavior and most of all a very real presence of the creators of it all, creation by the way not by some magic, but by a great deal of hard work by an entire crew as led by the Admiral, aka Ti and the Captain aka Do, who were very clearly to me the Rev. 11. Two Witnessed, the return of the same family and even individuals known in the history as The Father and Jesus (Ti and Do respectively) in new human vehicles(bodys) to fulfill the harvest of a small group of students known world wide as the Heaven’s Gate group that as a matter of fact is today days away from a 14th anniversary of their exit from the physical bodies they borrowed and layed down, put to sleep permanently, what humans call suicide but not at all the same as any others that “kill themselves” as they each had unlimited proof that they were actually with the Two Older Members from the Evolutionary Level Above Human, which their souls had been with before in the history books thus were the “saints” that came back with Ti and Do, initially via crashing some primitive spacecrafts in the Roswell and Aztec and other so called UFO crashes. They are NOT space aliens as Space Aliens are human equivalents demonstrated by a human mammalian (Mammon) agenda and actually are Luciferian (but not as depicted by hollywood or religious exactly) in their behavior and ways.

So if anyone hears of this kind of event of a mysterious letting down of an aircraft know that you heard it first and that it is one of many proves the Next Level will perhaps be willing to give to help some SEE more of the reality in this world filled with illusion.

This in no ways suggests anyone lay down their life. That’s not in store for any of us at this time, or during this lifetime. We need our physical bodies now to prove to the Next Level we want to be in their service. If we die in that service or for any other reason while believing then I believe your soul will be “saved” for a future overcoming classroom but that classroom will not begin until the planet undergoes a facial recycling as we see escalating along with human unrest and willing to put their lives on the line for what they want.

Thus we are all being put to the test of who we wish to be in allegiance to. It’s the creators or anyone else and the creators are most identified at this time as Ti and Do and crew.

Ollody’s Saturn painting and relationship to Hale Bopp Companion

March 7, 2011

Somewhere I was surfing about I came upon an internet friends use of a picture I recognized from the Heaven’s Gate classroom, in particular one that I knew Ollody had painted so I asked the friend where he acquired the pic from to which he responded, “hey Sawyer, I pulled it from heavensgate.com. if you object to my use, I’ll change it. peace”, (dumb me as I forgot it was posted there).

However, because of my typical taking of anything as an excuse to rant and rave about the group I ended up giving him a history of that painting and of course whatever came to my mind that was interelated and thought it might be worth passing on here.

Here is the thumbnail of the pic he was using:

and my disortation on this pic’s history and more:

Sawyer Heavensgate March 2 at 11:53pm Wow, thanks for asking but I’m not one to say what someone can or can’t use. I have commented to those that chose “ody” names that were not given that name by Ti and Do and I could be wrong but felt Do approved of my expressing that but in terms of the pictures, I can’t see what harm they would do.

At some point though, as I’m thinking about Do right now, in this regard you might want to give credit to the pictures creator at some point if it feels right to do. It was Ollody and that would be the name I would suggest using as that is who He most is though his vehicle’s name was Cabot Van Sinderen (By the way I met with his vehicle’s sister sometime after they layed down their lives and she felt he was very happy in the group). In the exit video’s he wore a Dr. Seuss tophat. He also was good a “burbling peas” as we had some very silly times together. He began it as a drawing and then he airbrushed it. I watched him do it when we had a “new agey type center” in Amarillo, Texas in about 1981 where he was working part of the time (as well as others – I was doing astological progressions for a few of our astrological clients. By the way, this was the only time we did this kind of enterprise and it was short lived – maybe 4 months or so and I doubt we made much money at it as that wasn’t the main idea. It was simply what Ti and Do wanted to expose us to in our classroom).

Ollody was so, so meticulous and spent many hours on those rings. It was part of a entire series that were the illustrations for a movie Ti and Do instigated and later Do and some in the class tried to peddle a few years later to Gary Kurtz’s office, a documentary maker who worked alongside Stanley Kubrick, the 2001 Space Oddessy director as another ody named Cddody who left the group in 1989 or 90?, who I still have some occasional contact with and before joining with Ti and Do worked for Gary as an editor and who was on the 3 person movie making team with Ollody and another x-member named Dncody – Richard Joslyn who since has died.

I take every opportunity to share as much history as I can for whatever it may be worth and I will probably post this on my blog though I will remove the name you are using here in case it’s real as at some point it may be quite dangerous to associate with Ti and Do and believers.

I’ve tried to gain access to the rest of the image series but have not been successful and that’s a long, long story.

There were some prints made at one point and I believe may have sold some of them in the late 1980’s in the Albuquerque area where we had them in a gallery for a time. There is actually a potential story to that picture beyond what’s I’ve already told. It was one of two planets that he painted for the series. The other was pluto which we know now is not considered to be a planet which is interesting too because Ti and Do depicted pluto as a Next Level base for operations with the Earth garden they created from scratch, however they do that exactly I have little idea about. Anyway I hadn’t thought of their being any significance to that pic of saturn beyond it’s brilliant rings until…well yesterday or the day before but I was just a couple hours ago thinking about what I just read about Saturn in relationship to the Hale-Bopp Comet. Here is an excerpt from an article:

“November 14, 1996: Chuck Shramek takes a CCD image of the comet. One of the background stars displays some spikes, giving it a “Saturn-like” look. On Art Bell’s radio show, Mr.Shramek announced this Saturn-Like Object (SLO) to the world. The rumor spread on the net that this object was a huge spacecraft (3 times as large as the Earth). The original image is compared to the Palomar Sky Survey, and the SLO is identified as star SAO 141894.” But this rumor of the SLO was part of the basis of saying the companion idea was absurd as if it had been as big as Saturn and/or 3 times the size of earth, it would have been so very bright so not to be mistaken for a star or anything else. For this reason it became very easy for some to dismiss the entire premise of a companion. A huge side note to this is that there had been a number of amateur sky watchers: (STACE TUSSEL and according to Stace, Ron Russel) that were using binoculars to watch Hale Bopp in October of 1996, who watched this so called star SAO 141894 stay with Hale-Bopp over a number of days while Hale Bopp moved considerably each day. Stars don’t move hardly at all. In the words of Stace: “In the fall of 1996, my friend Ron Russell and I were together one evening when we first heard about Comet Hale-Bopp. Detailed coordinates allowed us to locate the “new” comet in the sky with just binoculars. As I recall we followed the directions precisely by first locating a certain notable star through the binocs, then we looked a few degrees to the left of it and up by a certain number of degrees. There it was! Unmistakable – and beautiful. What a sight: a bright nucleus shedding a misty dust field behind it. I can’t say how I knew this right away, but I straightaway noticed a spot of light in the tail that seemed distinctly unnatural, and pointed it out to Ron. Over the next few nights we continued to follow the comet as it coursed past the star background, the object in the tail as obvious as a clingy puppy. I’m no astronomer, but I knew that something was excitingly “wrong” about the light following Hale-Bopp. Night after night we watched the two lights riding side-by-side through space. (Note, this was BEFORE the late Chuck Shramek released his photo of Hale-Bopp and the companion object. Ron and I were, we later found out, among many other, lucky discoverers of the “hitchhiker.”) ”

And these amateur observers noted that after Hale-Bopp comet left our viewing area by going behind the Sun, when it re-emerged the object was not to be found.

Also note that many photographs were taken by hubble and by many amateur sky watchers right up until and after it came it’s closest to Earth, therefore after it went behind the sun that clearly showed TWO “tails” thus one could speculate that the object either cloaked or merged closer to the nucleus to purposely be totally hidden.

Sure it’s after the fact now, but given my experience with Ti and Do, this would be just like the Next Level’s motis operandi to be sure that an object was visible for a time so it would be reported because Ti knew well that Do had his eyes, ears and feeler opened wide to every avenue he could day and night to signals from Ti. Few people can fathom the type of communication Do had with Ti, speaking of after Ti left the physical vehicle she chose for her part of the task, as she said to Do early on that puzzeled Do until after her vehicle died, “I’m here to just get you (Do) going and then I’m going back”. (Do said he wondered what she meant by that and he also scratched his head thinking…”was she thinking of going back to her vehicle’s family in Corpus Christi?”, a very strange thought to consider. One might think, why didn’t Do ask her what she meant if it was that puzzleing. And I don’t know for sure, except that there were a number of times that I didn’t ask Ti or Do certain questions bbecause it either didn’t occur to me at the time or because, frankly I was almost always in a state of awe with them, but espeically with Ti whom I had much less one on one relationship. They didn’t command that kind of awe nor intimidate me by “putting me in my place” to where I feared asking them certain questions, though my awe did have a part of it that didn’t know if I’d be stepping out of line. They weren’t like chums to students and I don’t think Ti was like a chum to Do. I could go into this a great deal but I’ll save it.

But re: the companion’s hide and seek behavior, I believe the Next Level at that point and apparantly all along, even back to Jesus and back to Moses times is careful NOT to appear human or space alien (human equivilent) to humans they especially consider prospective candidates to become seed hosts for incoming previously “saved” ” “saints”, those more experienced Souls who in their last lifetime and before then had had physical relationship(s) with a member of the Next Level, ie. Jesus, Moses and died in His(Their) belief and service. However with the so called UFO crashes in the late 40’s and early 50’s that they staged staying that hidden would have been an exception, though for a very short time period before the mission was underway as They want to demonstrate their difference from the onslaught of space alien crafts that they knew would be let loose on Earth once the classroom and Do exited their pphysical vehicles and I beleive the immedieate atmosphere and vicinity of Earth.

Ti and Do said the Next Level doesn’t want to give undisputible proof to anyone who still had the potiential to become one of their students. I understand that to be because of how such so called proof would be manipulative of our faith in them, the way the Luciferian space aliens did to Paul of Tarsus and others, like with Fatima and many other examples. The people that experience such supernatural looking events become mystified and mesmerized and hat gets recorded in history and passed on to future generations.

The strongest and most necessary faith comes from maintaining the day to day grind of not knowing for sure, and never stopping the press to see and know more even though to do so is difficult and plagued with a type of self doubt. One can never assume they can predict what the Next Level through their Older Members, in the most recent case, in the names Ti and Do might do in any given situation the reason They taught the classroom to become comfortable and honest with the idea that pertaining to the individual, “I could be wrong”.

So, a mouthful when all I needed to say was, “no problem I’m aware of your use of the pic”. Go in peace and thank’s again for asking.

…to which my friend replied, “Thanks for all that information. I’m sure i’ll mine you for more 🙂 peace.”

Two Witnesses Ti Do Father Jesus Part 12 Castration Suicide Born Again UFO Luciferians

March 4, 2011

I Sawyer,who was physically w/Ti & Do as one of Their students for 19 years, left Them because I wasn’t ready to EXIT w/ Them, but who since has sought continued service, truthfully testify of my belief & experience:

Abbreviations:KoG=Kingdom of God/Heaven,OM=Older Member(Heavenly Fathers(Gods)=Jesus,Ti,Do),Rep= Representative from KoG. LAH=Level Above Human(KoG/H).NL=Next Level(as in Next Evolutionary Level Above Human),w/=with.

Ti & Do,the names of The Two Witnesses from the Kingdom of God(KoG),incarnate from ~1973 til 1985(Ti) & til 1997(Do) are most known by Their(Do/Students)public EXIT of their physical bodies as the Heaven’s Gate group.

Most media followed in lock step as usual in for profit corporations,calling Their actions suicide, because of how They voluntarily consumed barbiturates to intentionally “lay their bodies down” to a permanent sleep.

I’m critical of the story’s media coverage because of how little research was demonstrated when abundant data was available. Sure they covered the event itself, just next to nothing about WHY & the abundant Jesus links.

I hope grieving families of the group members have sought God’s help to understand their choices.This offerring may be of some assistance in that regard,however difficult to consider, let alone to embrace.

THEY didn’t consider it suicide because They knew They weren’t ONLY Their body & because They knew who they were doing it for: Do,Their Older Member aka Heavenly Father,the same Soul that had entered the body named Jesus.

Do wasn’t Jesus.He was the same Soul who took over(incarnated)into the body named Jesus.Upon return a new body is selected,hence Jesus warning that many would come “in his name”,the name Jesus so not to believe those are Him.

“Mat 24:5 many shall come IN MY NAME (Gr.onoma=name), saying,I am Christ; & shall deceive many”.After Jesus’ exit Luciferians appeared to humans(Paul) as Jesus to subtly distort the truth which begins a religion.

Ti&Do said in 1975 that They were from the “same family as Jesus” though Ti had said, Do was the same Soul that was incarnate as Enoch,Moses,Elijah & Jesus.Do told us that Ti was the unseen Lord in each of those incarnations.

An incarnation isn’t what’s been termed reincarnation, more accurately described as “taking over” a human vehicle prepared for Their task.Ti&Do said they chose human vehicles to use that were sickly & unlikely to survive.

It’s true that a mortal human lives only once,though they simulate living after death by seeking to live through other humans. When the KoG implants a Soul seed into a human,they are gifted w/POTENTIAL immortality.

Many things KoG says & does through their incarnate Rep(s)  have multiple applications. For instance,the term resurrection means to STAND UP AGAIN.Jesus told his disciples they must be born(of flesh) again for a Soul birth.

In this case to be Born Again of flesh is referring to the fact that each of His student’s physical body was as a  leaf off a branch of the human tree & that like any perennial would sprout (be born) again.

Each new leaf regeneration carries w/it a subconscious memory of it’s last life experience thus becomes a “matching” vehicle for a returning Soul to “take” & potentially bring to the goal of it’s “spirit birth”.

“Joh 3:5-6…Except a man be born of water & of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the KoG.That which is born of flesh is flesh & that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (Spirit=Greek: pneuma=invisible Soul/dis-carnate).

“Joh 3:7-8 Marvel not that I said to you,Ye must be born again.The wind blows where it wills & you hear the sound thereof but can’t tell from where it comes & where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

There is no definition of Spirit that represents simply a state of mind, like a decision or intention or committment though the contents of a Spirit/Soul contain all those qualities.

Just because millions of Christians consider themselves born again of spirit simply by thinking/talking about Jesus as their Lord & Savior,asking him into their hearts & repenting their sins doesn’t make it so.

“Mat 7:21 Not everyone that say to me Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven.”We’re not doing the Lords will unless we try to do ALL Jesus advised.

Let’s examine the prime record Christian leaders refer,indicating being saved by belief alone:Joh 3:16 God so loved the world that he gave his (only?) begotten Son,that whoever believes in Him shouldn’t perish,but have…

…everlasting life.Joh 3:17 God didn’t send his Son to the world(Gr.Kosmos=Earth) to condemn human kind; but that humans through him (might be?) saved.If “might” was used then it was simply possible not a certainty.

Joh 6:40 this is the will of him that sent me,that every one which seeth the Son & believes in him, MAY have everlasting life & I will raise him up again (resurrect also used) at the last day. MAY indicates it’s possible.

But referring to believers,stand/raise up again means,born of flesh again(as a new leaf) that their “saved” soul is ALSO brought back to inhabit(take over/overcome) w/potential to then have RESURRECTed to LIFE(eternal).

It’s true one needs a human flesh vehicle to be able to be born of Spirit because that flesh nature (all of it) needs to be conquered, overcome, yolked/tamed, made obedient to the qualifications taught by the KoG.

Joh 5:28-29 hour is coming,in which all in graves shall hear his voice & shall come forth;they that have been useful to the resurrection of life;that have been useless to resurrection of a decision (for or against KoG).

The term resurrection(stand/arise up again) isn’t indicative of rising into heaven.It depends who we stand up again for, the KoG REP. or not which determines eternal LIFE or Death(1st=body & possibly SAVED & 2nd=perishing).

If resurrection meant going to heaven to be with Jesus, how is it that the “evil” or a better translation of “useless” also reap that reward?They don’t because resurrection means returning for a new flesh experience & choice.

Ti & Do said in 1975 that it was move up time for all grades in school and that all souls would be brought back for a final opportunity to grow. That opportunity is still alive for a short while longer.

Ti&Do wern’t using scripture as an outline of their task,to include what they said. If they had they’d have scrapped the idea of a physical pick up knowing that the harvest of their students had to be a Spirit(unseen) birth.

Ti&Do’s unseen helpers might have blocked this consciousness from Them to sort out initial followers who weren’t prepped for the overcoming classroom from those who were.Those prepped didn’t care about a physical pick up.

I know this because I didn’t care though there were 2 occasions where Ti(1x) & Do(1x) specifically set up a pickup date where we waited & no spacecraft came & certain students were definitely tested & some left because of.

Thus all who think their physical bodies will be taken into a cloud,called a rapture are missing the whole point.A Spirit birth can only occur by the death of the flesh birth while having met the KoG’s stiff qualifications:

They would have to link up w/the incarnate Reps,follow w/Them,give Them their will, be willing to physically die in service,cut ALL previous ties & work hard to conquer all their human vehicle’s desires, habits & addictions.

This means staying in the Older Members Overcoming Classroom through thick & thin,”Rev 14:4…Follow the lamb wherever he goes”. It means not using our own mind, but instead seeking to know the mind of one’s Older Members.

“Mat 16:24-25 Jesus said to disciples,If anyone will come after me,let him deny self(give will),take up his cross & follow me. Whoever will save his life shall lose it & whoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it”

It means working to extinguish one’s fire:sensuality & sexuality, holding in one’s lamp oil,a considered option to even pursue castration as Do &  6 students did.(I was 1 of the first 2 who chose to have this done).

I know it’s a shocking thought, even fanatical/insane to humans.I knew one in the group, when this OPTION was presented by Do, chose to leave.It was a traumatic departure for this member who’d been dedicated for ~15 years.

It was ~1990 when a few first started to examine castration as an option. Do told me, Prkody,Srrody and myself were the only 3 students who expressed a desire to consider having the operation so we began to investigate.

Prkody(who left the group in 1992) contacted some doctors & learned that none would perform that operation unless there was a medical reason for it. We learned it was more taboo than having a sex change operation.

Do said that he didn’t feel right about female students seeking an equivalent operation as it even seemed the male was designed to be relatively easily neutered.But Do didn’t want to deny us the fight against our sexuality.

That fight,equal to whatever fight each has against their otherwise normal human ways goes to building what Ti described as a needed “MUSCLE” that aids in the Soul body birth’s “VIABILITY” upon exit of the vehicle.

Do didn’t want to authorize a students exercising of this option if it might deny them of a needed ingredient,crucial to their viable spirit birth.Do was only asking certain ones if they had castration reservations & 1 did.

This adds more detail to the many times & ways Ti & Do put their students to a test that always resulted in some leaving.They hated losing a student.I witnessed how Do labored over how to help students.

That help was mostly in how to aid them in their overcoming of their particular brand of humanness, physical or mental.But it was also,to help them decide if this experiential classroom was what they desperately wanted.

I have lots of personal experience w/what I’m saying here.I was frequently assigned by Do to partner w/classmates that needed help that included Dst,Oll who were among the 38 & Hvv,Rth,And in 1992 before each left.

These were most specific assignments where I reported directly to Do about.I wasn’t doing this undercover like as a spy. The entire setup of the classroom was to be willing, even eager to be constantly scrutinized.

Overcoming all our human behaviors is very hard work & we as the subjects often are last to identify all that needs conquering. Hence another of the many reasons Older Members incarnate, to work w/us hands on, one on one.

One of my biggest lessons was to not let the standing I was given go to my head which I failed at.Assigning me to help others tested me but it also provided me w/many examples of how Ti&Do operated & why, which is for you.

Do was also concerned a student would have the operation & then leave the class & try to prosecute him which could jeopardize the entire Overcoming Classroom’s needed progress.Most students weren’t that sexually challenged.

Do felt to put the prospect on hold & over a year passed,though I told Do;if the option arose I’d do it.By then I’d read what Jesus said about castration & the extent someone might go to give their ALL to God:

Mat 19:7 (disciples ask:)…Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, & to put her away? Jesus said,Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:

…but from the beginning it was not so & I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication(reasons) (intercourse w/another while married) & shall marry another, committeth adultery: &…

…whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.Mat 19:10 His disciples say to him, If the case of the man be so w/his wife, it isn’t good to marry.But he said to them, All men cannot receive this saying,

…save they to whom it is given.Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb:& there are some eunuchs,which were made eunuchs of men:& there be eunuchs…

which HAVE MADE THEMSELVES EUNUCHS FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN’s SAKE. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Eunuch= Greek: eunouchizo=to castrate/neuter a man. The Essenes were said to practice this.

No one was required to do this, nor pressured into it. Do tried other ways to help students that wanted to squelch their “fire”. As it turned out I did not have it done. Do cancelled my opportunity. He wouldn’t let me do it.

Why? Well on the outside it was because my partner Srrody won the dice toss of who would go first. When both wanted something dice was a fair way to decide.Do didn’t tell us how to decide.One had to be first.

Lvvody was a registered nurse.Her job,that she still had at the time was as the assistant to a doctor who performed orchiectomys. A orchectomy is a removal of a males testicles performed on testicular cancer patients.

Do told us over a year before that he was considering having the operation, so they had gathered all the needed tools to do the task ourselves.We were in San Clemente & set up a room that was surgically clean.

Lvvody began the operation on Srrody while Jnnody assisted.As Do & I watched Do said,”if this doesn’t bond us nothing will”. The operation had a problem.The drainage tubes weren’t draining fluids from the testicular sack.

Srrody’s vehicle’s sack blew up like a balloon (small orange size). Do expressed that he felt he’d made a mistake in allowing this & wanted to be turned in to the police.Jnnody, Lvvody & I insisted otherwise & handled it.

I took Srrody to a hospital while Jnnody & Lvvody stayed nearby.Do contacted Jwnody & Lggody & briefed them.The problem was easily fixed & Srrody was a trooper throughout & was very happy he went through with it.

Because of this Do cancelled my operation. I was disappointed.Before we tossed the dice,Do asked me if I had any reservations. I told him, “my vehicle isn’t looking forward to it, but I’m overriding my vehicle”.

I believe Ti(from her position then outside a vehicle) knew that I,Swyody wasn’t ready,so used the event to cause Do to cancel. I say this because I ended up leaving a year later having given into self-sexuality repeatedly.

For 17+ years I’d been 100% successful maintaining physical celibacy & perhaps 90% able to block sexual thoughts. However,I did have some challenging times & they came to a head in 1993 seemingly out of the blue.

I don’t know what it’s like for celibate humans,whether it gets easier to stay celibate but for me, it did not get easier.Sure I learned to “nip in the bud” the triggers but we were in a pressure cooker in the classroom.

Do said we were actually assigned a discarnate to act as our adversary(satan) that was our ticket to building that MUSCLE. I have evidence,an adversary was not allowed to test us beyond our capacity to handle though came close.

I was sitting at my computer programming desk job when the image of a woman’s breast entered my mind.Most weekends we had an outing to a movie & in some cases there would be a very brief nudity scene.

Do watched a movie before putting it on our outing list.He would tell us ahead that there was a little nudity & that if it bothered us, then close your eyes or turn away & practice blocking the thought.

By the way, we were instructed to avoid testing ourselves – like putting self in a position of temptation to see if we could withstand it.And we were instructed not to challenge discarnates either, the same kind of thing.

I had good eye/thought control,so I justified not closing my eyes, thinking I could handle the test.After all Do said the sight of a female breast felt equivalent to his viewing a grapefruit so I wanted to grow to that too.

But I became overcome w/the stimulus of that memory image & without touching myself had an emission.The only other times this had occurred was while asleep at times. We called them nocturnal emissions.

Do said about these that if we did nothing to stimulate it, it was little more than a relief valve going off so not to worry or feel guilt about it.I always did feel guilty about it anyway but not because Do instigated it.

It was because I grew very sensitive to sexual stimulus.If I allowed myself to linger on the back of a females neck I could feel a gland inside my body produce hormones that inevitably would necessitate a nocturnal emission.

However,this really wasn’t the main reason I left.I was unknowingly harboring a discarnate martyrdom influence that had me think I was elevating myself to sacrifice myself physically whether by castration or death.

It took me 10 yrs after leaving to recognize why I’d left.It has to do with who’s SAKE I was acting for, mine or KoG’s thru Do? “Mat 10:39 He that finds his life shall lose it & he that LOSES HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE FINDS IT.”

Mar 8:35 whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life FOR MY SAKE & the gospel’s shall save it. Joh 13:37 Peter said,Lord why can’t I follow you now?I will LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR YOUR SAKE.

Mat 19:29 every one that has forsaken houses,or brethren, or sisters,or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands FOR MY NAME’S SAKE, shall receive a hundredfold(new KoG family) & shall inherit everlasting life.

I was a zealot as were all the students.But my zealotry added to my ego(SELF importance) because it was tied to “liking being SEEN as special(heroic)”,actually a discarnate influence w/me from my youth.

Before Ti exited,she gave students a note expressing what behavior/ways “would keep us off the spacecraft”.My note had 3 points: 1)A little too pleased w/self. 2)Likes to be SEEN as something special 3)Sarcastic w/humans.

Someone who wants to be a hero thrives on feeling special & being looked up to.It’s different than doing heroic things though w/humans it’s mostly a mix.As KoG trainees,the program is to surrender ALL of what builds us up.

That’s why Jesus compared children w/aspirants of KoG membership.We need to transfer all our SELF confidence to our OM’s. Mat 18:3… Except ye be converted & become as little children,ye shall not enter into the KoG.

That’s a huge reason an OM needs to incarnate,to give us someone who we can trust giving our ALL to.It’s a matter of who we transfer our dependency to, from ourselves & other humans to the provided KoG OM Rep.

Luciferians have us give that kind of devotion to fellow humans who obtain leadership positions. But Those who are primary KoG seed subconsciously know humans never measure up to KoG OM’s so tend to be nonconformist.

But of course there’s a lot more to identifying KoG seed & that’s not really our job, nor can we do so accurately but there are primarily two strains of genetic seed,KoG’s & the rest which has been mixed a great deal by now.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world;useful seed are the children of the kingdom;but tares are the children of the troublesome one. Now it can seem the good seed are represented by the Jews because that’s how it started out.

Mt 21:43 …The KoG shall be taken from you & given to a nation(people) bringing forth the fruits thereof.(fruit=believers). Joh 8:37 I know you’re Abraham’s seed;but ye seek to kill me,because my word has no place in you

Jesus’ rising from the dead was both a demonstration of his Soul surviving a physical death to STAND UP AGAIN & proof that he was NOT a SPIRIT entity or hallucination – letting them touch him,eat w/him & converse, plus.

Do Christians think Jesus stayed around 40 days showing over a dozen of them all sorts of proof he was physical & alive just for heck of it?Couldn’t He had come as a bright light that blinded them & talked to them that way?

That’s the Paul of Tarsus story,another of the many evidences that Paul was entrapped by Luciferians to sow confusion resulting in most of todays Christians.This is why all the believers in Ti&Do ran far away from religions.

This small group of men & women disciples were given physical PROOF & validation of all Jesus taught to propel them to spread the whole truth far & wide to make a lasting impression for future believers & the gene pool.

Their test was whether or not to talk about Jesus to those that hated to hear of it knowing they’d suffer the same loss of their physical body,clearly what Jesus said would be their service & proof to KoG of their worthiness.

Mat 20:23 he saith to them(disciples),Ye shall drink of my CUP & be baptized (cleansed) the way I am baptized…” CUP=lot/task. “Mt 26:39 Father,if possible let this CUP(give life) pass from me:but not as I will, but as thy”

Luk 22:20 …also the cup after supper, saying,This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.Joh 18:11 Jesus to Peter;Put up thy sword in the sheath:the cup which my Father hath given me,shall I not drink?

Thus Jesus’ task was to bring the FORMULA for graduation/harvest for those “sheep” his Father “gave to him” & to do that by his sharing the words his Father gave him to share followed by the demonstration of the formula.

The demonstration was to VOLUNTARILY “give up his physical life” that included both what would be considered as normal human behaviors – pursuits of marriage, sex,prosperity,wealth & recognition & then his body.

“Luk 22:19 And he took bread & gave thanks & brake it & gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in recollection of me.” THIS DO=give your body, remembering my example NOT eating of bread.

Even if Jesus did intend for them to have food together in remembrance of Him, for it to become a ceremony that fails miserably to relate the fact that we too MUST give our Body & Blood is a typical Luciferian dilution.

This demonstration was absolutely necessary to offer proof that ALL he said & did was the genuine overcoming FORMULA AND NEEDED duplication for anyone who wants to be with him on his crew in His real Kingdom.

Remember how Buddhist monks lite themselves on fire in the 60-70’s in protest of war.That may have been a luciferian stimulated facsimile as other suicides tied to religious belief,eg.Solar Temple,Jim Jones,etc.

If the students of even Jim Jones & Solar Temple & David Koresh followers that died in their belief thought they were doing so for KoG in whatever their terms,then KoG may choose to “save” those souls for next lesson time.

But the leaders of these groups were co-opted by a Luciferian to look like what Lucifer knew was coming from the KoG though he didn’t know from who,how, when or where, so he looked for those he could capture to do his will.

So how can someone tell the difference as to most,Ti&Do’s Heaven’s Gate was a religion too? The differences are actually many. But the main one is that we don’t come to the KoG,They come to those who have genuinely ASKED.

When we privately talk to whatever our idea is of a Creator,WATCHERS(unable to be seen workers for KoG),hear us & offer us help to be in the path of KoG REPs when They come announcing Their task, blowing their shofar(horn).

No one can plan to be in that path & open minded to Their NEW message UNLESS they are prepared to receive it. Some examples: Mat 19:11 he said to them, All men cannot receive this saying, SAVE THEY TO WHOM IT IS GIVEN.

Mat 20:23 …Ye shall drink indeed of my cup & be baptized(cleansed) w/the baptism I’m baptized w/but to sit on my right & left isn’t mine to give, but it SHALL BE GIVEN TO THEM FOR WHOM IT IS PREPARED OF MY FATHER.

“Mat 13:11 [to disciples] it is GIVEN to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is NOT GIVEN.” “Joh 6:65 … no man can come to me, except it were GIVEN to him of my Father.”

But most Christians have been taught that they have been given this gift of recognition making them “born again”, & thus another Luciferian twist.Recognizing a returned Jesus means recognizing his returned words/formula.

Most have become convinced that they don’t have to literally GIVE THEIR LIVES to/for the next incarnate representative from KoG exactly as Jesus disciples had to do & did & that includes telling others the same formula.

Telling people about Jesus’ healing sick,helping poor & his sacrifice is fine & well but if we’re not telling others the FORMULA we’re spreading a diluted picture of who He is & what’s required to reap his promised reward.

The formula is NOT to become a priest or a devout religionist. It’s not designed to be enacted entirely until the Rep shows up physically because that Rep will seem to most everyone loony tunes &/or dangerous.

Thus choosing to go with that Rep,follow Them,learn from Them,give one’s LIFE to Them will put one at odds w/virtually everyone else so that one’s enemy will be those of one’s own household.

“Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.For I am come to set a man at variance against his father & the daughter against her mother…”.

A Luciferian twist is The formula of overcoming all our MAMMON master ways being relegated to an elite class called priests & made into an honorable vocation.Translations of the record become diluted & disguised.

The priests convince the so called lay followers that they have their own gifts to offer,the reason why they don’t have to adopt the priestly behaviors.Lucifer set this up big time through Paul. Here’s one example of many:

“1Co 12:28 God has set some in the church,1st apostles,2nd prophets,3rd teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.”Is he saying God=the Father Jesus referred to?

If so did that God do a poor job through his son Jesus in outlining this hierarchy of so called gifts of the body of believers? Note how the 4 gospels largely testify of one another w/many sayings duplicated but not exactly.

And how the Revelations of John have many parallels to the 4 Gospels but 99% of Pauls writings have no parallels. Why aren’t there more Christian theologians crying “fowl play” in Paul’s writing dominance over Jesus’?

But the KoG doesn’t let Their core record of the last REP diminish,so it’s there to aid the next rep as They must occupy a human vehicle that has genetic memory of the last REP,so can be awakened to what really occurred.

All the souls from the last Rep’s task who knew the formula & began to apply it, are helped by the KoG to choose a human vehicle they can help awaken to their genetic memory of being with the last Rep.

To these,”giving their life” is known & acceptable & they have made some headway in the detail of the formula’s application. This genetic & Soul memory also entails all aspects of the Jesus record they experienced.

Thus any return of a Rep MUST be met by society as a CULT.So what does Lucifer do?In anticipation of the Rep,over 1000’s of yrs. He stimulates cults that to the unprepared eye can resemble a distorted view of the last Rep.

Today, when anyone voluntarily takes their own life, it’s considered suicide.It’s even against the law. No one believes it can be done for a right w/God reason, though the Luciferians have twisted even that.

When a Soul Seeded human dies if their seed has TAKEN, as Jesus said…”didn’t die by the wayside,etc.” their Soul body is SAVED to be brought back for a next lesson period, where the idea of reincarnation came from.

In 1996 Do & students published a paper entitled,”Our Position Against Suicide” where they outline their great respect & need to live while examining how they might exit/get picked up by a KoG spacecraft(cloud of light).

They said,”The true meaning of “suicide” is to turn against the Next Level when it is being offered.In these last days, we are  focused on two primary tasks: one – of making a last attempt at telling the truth about how…

…the Next Level may be entered (our last effort at offering to individuals of this civilization the way to avoid “suicide”); and two – taking advantage of the rare opportunity we have each day – to work individually on…

…our personal overcoming & change,in preparation for entering the Kingdom of Heaven.” It was Sept.1994,while I was still w/ them that Do began to talk w/the entire group about taking it upon ourselves to exit & how.

This was just after finishing the 1994 public meeting series that took us to dozens of U.S. & Canadian cities over 9 months in which the group had added at least 12 new members.

If you go to HeavensGate.com you can see the list of cities & the way the meetings were announced.Critics claim that the members were brainwashed but there was no technique to do so & especially for new members.

Do certainly wanted to Exit. He & Ti talked about exiting in whatever way from nearly day one, though they didn’t enjoy how that might happen, like being killed by a religious fanatic.

It can seem they had a death wish,as if they hated living.They did grow to hate the human kingdom in the way humans had become so against all REAL things about the KoG despite all the religious & spiritual god/Jesus talk.

There was no brainwashing especially evidenced by the fact that Do told these 12 new members They were considering “exiting by our own hand” right after they joined which resulted in several leaving soon thereafter.

The primary reason it took them from Sept.94 til Mar.97 to exit by their own hand was to be sure the members were in fact of a clear mind to make such a HUGE decision that would shock & traumatize many in the world.

There’s no way to find a human reason behind their decision.Even faith based groups can’t fathom this as related to their faith so they write it off rather than take a real look as it would deflate their religions to do so.

But the facts are that from 1975 most members were resigned to either get physically picked up by a spacecraft or lose their vehicle(body) in some way similar to what occurred at Waco or Ruby Ridge, by another’s hand.

However for several reasons there was to be no successful hunt of Ti&Do & students following their 1975-6 international splash, allowing time for the students to better overcome their humanness.

Some say to me,”oh,so all I have to do is off myself for God & I go to Heaven?”, which is Luciferian talk. No,of course not.One must align w/the current Older Member(Do),ask for service to engage their appropriate next step.

As a consequence, perhaps planned by the KoG or a counter strategy when They witnessed the needs of the students & the general human lackadaisical response indicated to Do to stage their own exit & an unignorable one.

I don’t claim to know the KoG’s complete detailed thinking & strategy in this regard.What I do know was that Ti&Do,but primarily Do, after Ti left her vehicle by the KoG’s letting a cancer kill it examined ALL exit options.

As They said,”It has always been our way to examine all possibilities, and be mentally prepared for whatever may come our way. For example, consider what happened at Masada around 73 A.D. A devout Jewish sect,…

…after holding out against a siege by the Romans,to the best of their ability & seeing the murder,rape, & torture of their community was inevitable,determined that it was permissible for them to evacuate their bodies…

…by a more dignified & less agonizing method.We have thoroughly discussed this topic (of willful exit of the body under such conditions) & have mentally prepared ourselves for this possibility.”

About the time that they prepared this statement, they were building an “earthship” complex near Albuquerque,NM using old tires packed w/mud as bricks.They thought of it as a “Monastery Fortress” or “Launch Pad”.

The idea of the Masada groups “willful exit” began in part by observing the Branch Davidian murders by the FBI/ATF.I sat w/Do &  three students when the complex began to burn on TV (allegedly intended to flush them out).

We were all shocked by this event, but Do later expressed that even though David Koresh was misguided, his followers who had decided to die for their belief were dedicated in a way He hoped we, his students would be.

A few days later(after this April 1993 event) Do said he was wondering if we might exit in a similar way, by provoking the govt. He asked us what we thought about that and about buying some rifles loaded with blanks.

I remember feeling very squeamish about the idea but I knew it was a test of the extent of my committment.But that didn’t stop my wondering just how far I would be willing to go for Do(Ti) & the Next Level(KoG).

Do didn’t bring it up again & there were no rifle purchases then.However,I wondered,”what if Do asked me to kill,would I?” This caused me to shudder at the thought but if I really believed/trusted Him shouldn’t I be willing?

I remember thinking, “I don’t know but maybe I would be willing” & I hoped I would not be tested in that way & thought that the Next Level would never ask that of someone. I remind, Do only talked about that Exit idea then.

Why OM’s incarnate;If a spirit came or channeled through someone,it would be less than REAL to all those returnees who were w/an OM before & their matching genetic memory while any supernatural interface would mesmerize us.

That’s why should some entity come to anyone in a dream or spirit sighting or as a human alien contactee or channel, in the name of Ti&Do or Jesus, they’re NOT to be trusted.It will happen this way w/a group prepared ahead.

I retell this to show the detail surrounding Do’s examination of all things that occurred to him via world events & from student responses & he didn’t hesitate to bring them up to the class.

Some people have claimed, after Ti exited,Do went downhill to the mass suicide.But what we saw was Do becoming more transparent than before,treating his helpers,his core overseers & the entire class as his check partners.

Sometime after I left them in 1994, they did purchase several rifles & some learned to shoot them. Do was still considering they might have a Masada styled exit while building the fortress in Manzano, NM.

But this was all BEFORE Do felt like he was notified of the approaching “token/sign” in the Heaven’s as Jesus said to expect. While I was still in the group,we became aware of a Las Vegas radio show that talked of UFO’s.

Before that & before an internet there were what were computer “bulletin boards” associated w/a university,govt or business. They were RS-232 accessed & one we regularly examined was called Paranet, a paranormal site.

This is where we first became aware that some astronomers were viewing a peculiar object outside the orbit of Pluto. Reports suggested the object was changing it’s speed & trajectory, but was coming closer to Earth.

Do had known the “indicator” or “token/sign” would be something only the Next Level could produce.He realized that what He & Ti, back in 1975 thought would be a spacecraft to pick them up, was this approaching EXIT indicator.

The object was named Hale-Bopp comet.Hubble space telescope pictures revealed 2 tails.Do considered a spacecraft MIGHT be hiding behind it but by then spacecraft or not felt it didn’t matter to their exit plan.

In 19 yrs I never saw Do guess though he’d consider everything.Some of his ways incorporated phrases like:”If in doubt,don’t” “Cover your bets”,& if you must decide,”Take a chance on a positive”.

Was this prophecy a COMET? “Mat 24:27 as the lightning(Gr.astrape from aster=bright shining star) comes out of the east & shines even to the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Kohoutek(’73) & HaleBopp(’97)!

It could refer to the KoG rep coming for one group,as in the prime “harvest” while again for the ones that believed in the first group, to “save” them for their next step after some recycling.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.

There wasn’t a program or activity within Ti&Do’s group to find scriptures to justify anything Ti&Do said or did.We always had Bibles, but no assigned reading of them so anyone could have researched whatever they wanted.

In 1991,considering bringing Ti&Do’s info public again, after NOT doing so since 1976 Do bought ~6 different bible translations for research while watching Christian Satellite ministries to understand the Christian mindset.

Now of course anyone else taking their own life would probably be a mistake.However,Do did think people have the right to do so for instance as we observed Dr. Kovorkian’s work in euthanasia for those that had great pain.

Ti&Do indicated when anyone stopped seeking(growth), marked by preoccupation w/physical sustenance alone they’re all but dead by KoG standards.However,Ti&Do’s task didn’t ever require advancing someone’s death involuntarily.

The KoG does but when I speak of Ti & Do,though They are members of the Kingdom of God, Their task was to advance the graduation classroom of students They brought w/Them who began their lessons millennium before.

Pulling up weeds wasn’t their particular task during this incarnation.It is the gardeners right to choose when to assist the fruit they planted, how & when.In this regard ALL our physical bodies are in a sense expendable.

If they weren’t expendable then they wouldn’t have limited life spans.Now the Luciferians take this reality & cause humans, they can easily con, to think they’re acting out God’s will to kill others that are in their way.

I have it on good word that there are no members of the Kingdom of God walking around in physical bodies at this time, nor will there be until sometime into the next civilization on Earth after considerable garden recycling.

Ti & Do are coming back one last time before that recycling has completed, in which time they will choose which souls still have a potential to grow towards graduation & which don’t.They will do this from their space crafts.

When this happens Governments and many humans will think it’s an Alien invasion & will mount attacks against them and will be no match at all.There are observers now of the literal heavens that are witnessing their approach.

They don’t know what they’re seeing nor what’s in store but this is the prime reason Luciferian Space Aliens prod humans to put most all their resources towards combat, survivalist technological development & global control.

This is also why some Space Alien human contactees say Greys from Orion are bad aliens &/or are robots/slaves controlled by the Reptilians.Weeds,including Reptilians don’t think they are weeds thus their exterminators=enemy.

All space aliens along w/somewhat awakened humans want a healthy environment for their own survival but some space aliens will say & do anything to have good human egg/sperm,etc. specimens for their hybridization projects.

The evidence they feel of Greys being robots comes largely from Leonard Stringfield’s autopsies of the Roswell crash dead bodies he published through MUFON.At least 1 body had no digestive or reproductive organs.

Another of the bodies had only a remnant of a male reproductive organ, in other words a small penis. The KoG wanted some U.S.  officials to know the reality of people from outer space & their different vehicle types.

Some, if not all of the spacecraft (UFO) crashes in which bodies were found were intentional as the way members of the KoG(LAH) get into a planet’s “secret” spirit world w/their soul body to perform an undercover task.

This is one way members of the Next Level and/or students aspiring for full membership are required to show their willingness to graduate from the human kingdom level of life.

Any body from a crash w/any characteristics associated with a human body represent an aspirant to full membership,as the body of  a member of this Evolutionary Level Above Human isn’t biologically human.

Do said, “Next Level grows” what he called “suits of clothing(bodies) on vines w/a number of different models appropriate to the Soul planned to occupy/wear it”.A body w/only remnant of a sex organ is likely from lack of use.

Do said that all those students that LAYED DOWN THEIR LIVES in 1997 didn’t necessarily graduate to these vine grown issue Next Level bodies,as some he felt still had further human overcoming to experience to qualify.

I don’t know if that has something to do w/Ti’s initial statement in 1976 that standards for membership were going to be raised when she got back so Luciferian types can’t slip into even an apprentice degree of membership.

However,perhaps she pulled in more of Her Next Level Mind after saying that,as She & Do realized that some aspiring members were given apprentice styled tasks like Watchers/Messengers where they can appear to humans as Gods.

In that position these would still have a vehicle/body that has human characteristics such as what Ti & Do called “plumbing” for reproducing,making them still corruptible(able to return to human behaviors & be their leaders).

I know many Christians & probably other religio/spiritualists think of God as unchangeable & all knowing & of course relative to humans they are all knowing yet they didn’t create a free will environment to dictate behavior.

They actually thrive on the needs of the moment, never automatically lingering on an older strategy when it’s always a new circumstance. True They don’t drop Their covenants unless the humans They are tending do.

When Ti & Do would see that Christian bumper sticker that said, “Jesus, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow” They said They felt sickened by the idea that Jesus would never change.

Ti & Do taught us & demonstrated that “change is the name of the game”,that there isn’t perfection though we can measure ourself by our Older Member’s seeking of perfection.Ti & Do called the Oldest Member the Chief of Chiefs

“Giving one’s Life” to one’s Older Member,at this time named Do is the only KEY to the Gate of the Heavenly Kingdom.Moses had to do it, Jesus had to do it, Ti,Do & students had to do it. What is meant by “Giving” grows.

It starts with “belief” in the current or latest REPresentative from the Level Above Human.Then it can grow to belief & service to that same REP, one’s Older Member aka Heavenly Father.

Service isn’t what WE want it to be.The REP tells us when they’re incarnate so we are not fooled by influences.Our first service is to disseminate to others the words They said & wrote & accept any ramifications.

That doesn’t mean try to stimulate the ramifications. The WORDS will do that. This service tests whether or not we can follow Their instructions without adding our own interpretation,one of the “17 steps”.

Those that do believe in Ti&Do may in times to come be considered heretics & could be sought after to stop, banish & even kill, the first stage of willingness to lose your physical life for one’s Older Member.

Beginning one’s personal overcoming process is a natural part of belief in & service to Ti & Do which includes starting dialog w/Do, mainly ASKING for help w/service & dealing w/the ramifications & adversarial influences.

Yes it’s all a huge step. Do said in 88 Update, not a day went by where he didn’t question his sanity. It will never be met w/ popular support as we see in ALL religions, spirituality, wealth,technology & intellect worship.

Engaging to be on Ti&Do’s team is in no way void of laughter & entertainments, avoidance of responsibilities & relationships w/ others.It was when Jesus was about to leave that he said,”love your neighbor as yourself”.

In the classroom as well as when we did what we called “out of craft tasks” – jobs among the people who were not engaged in full time overcoming under the tutelage of an incarnate OM we were to hold a positive countenance.

As Do said on the Beyond Human tape available on youtube.com under channel name:1riverofangels, “The Lord wants you to have nice things, he just doesn’t want you to want them”.Many people have many characteristics of the KoG.

Ti&Do didn’t address the NOW but I believe the Jesus record is perfect for pro/con’s in life activity but w/talk to Ti&Do rather than to Jesus because the spirit world is filled w/discarnates who love to answer as Jesus.

Do did tell some of those who left the class, to avoid debt. He didn’t say why but it seems apparent now more than ever.It glues us to a justification for our own enslavement tying us to one location for instance.

I know for many the idea that They “layed down their lives”,called suicide is unthinkable & even self-murder, but if any believe in Jesus,they might want to consider all Jesus said about Life, Death & real Loving of the Lord.

But to recognize that for some, as I’ve outlined in these info-video’s,it was their full voluntary decision to “give their life” in that way BECAUSE they were permitted to do so by the Older Member they loved.

In the human world it’s always been considered heroic and simply the highest form of love, to be willing to die for another & especially for someone we don’t even know.

But when we are willing to give our life for someone who we believe to be from the Kingdom of God, it’s considered by most to be insanity.But I think it’s insanity to believe our entire reality came about accidentally.

And I see in nature tons of organization & intelligent guided decision-making by all species, though we call it instinct. I know intelligence is required to build anything so why argue that nature requires none?

And why is it that all things in nature appear to have various practical function/purpose. Plants provide oxygen to animals. Animals(bees/insects,etc.) help spread pollen among plants.There are thousands of examples.

Thus with humans, who can perform many of the purposes that help all other species of life on Earth, what could be their highest purpose? To become a dead spirit? To become independent & self-sustaining or a philanthropist?

I believe there is a great deal of empirical, even logical evidence that strongly suggests that humankind are abundant in the Universe along with the historic records to suggest we were created for an ultimate purpose.

Was it to mate with space aliens who said they mated with Earth Humans to create their genetic lineage though none of them have the slightest explanation for how they created the Suns, planets & all the elements & systems?

And how some of the contactees like Rael say he was told by his abductors the ultimate human purpose was to have pleasure which certainly explains why Earth is dominated by people who put their pleasure above other’s lives.

While anyone can understand why people of conscience & science would run from what the religious do/& say to justify themselves. And one can also understand why so many seek religions & new age spirituality as a safe haven.

But why is it that almost none of these mentioned appear willing to even consider what the real Jesus said, which would also open them up to what Ti & Do said & did, as representing a potential CHOICE of ultimate purpose?

Christians can’t imagine that the fact that Jesus KNEW he would be killed,how, when, why & by whom could be considered a type of suicide.The reason:The Luciferians saw to it that such was considered illegal & an original sin.

There’s no record against suicide in the Bible.Most say “Thou shall not murder” is but it’s an act AGAINST ANOTHER’s Life. If it was a big no no,why didn’t Moses cover it when he covered next to everything re:death?

I don’t believe it was KoG’s oversight nor that most who don’t kill themselves is primarily because of laws against doing so. No Christian authors I’ve polled,when listing scriptures depicting suicide site Jesus.

Maybe their bible search doesn’t include the meaning of “give (lay down) one’s life for another”,while Christian’s shout “Jesus GAVE HIS LIFE to save us from our sins” made meaningless & popularized by Luciferians thru Paul?

Joh 10:18 NO MAN TAKES IT(Life) FROM ME BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF.I have Gr.exousia=choice/permission/authority to lay it down & have choice to take it again.He’s CHOOSING for his body to be killed aka assisted suicide.

2nd part of John 10:18…”This commandment have I received of my Father”(to lay down his life)was authorized by His Father. Isn’t it clear that Jesus intended all his students then & in the future to do as He said & did?

“Jn 14:15 If ye love me,keep my commandments.Jn 12:25 He who loves his life shall lose it & he that hates his life in this world shall keep it to LIFE eternal.”

Joh 15:13-14 Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.Ye are my friends,if ye do whatever I command you.(as we need to learn to trust & He needs to know we can be trusted in return).

Yet many say believers in Jesus aren’t required to try to be like HIM & attempts are trying to earn salvation when it’s a gift. The gift is being given the opportunity, but seizing it NEEDS to include CHANGE,WORKS & SERVICE.

Jesus demonstrated His relationship w/His Father to show us what our relationship w/Him would need to become.Joh 12:49 I haven’t spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me he gave me a commandment what I should say/speak.

So,Jesus says he looks to his Father for every word/commandment to give to us while also saying that if we love Him we will keep every word/commandment of His & will prove that by passing same on to potential new believers.

To try to help us get rid of our religio-spiritual thinking,Do once gave us an analogy that the KoG was like a Corporation w/ strict qualifications for new employees.We were applying to be on Ti’s crew.Ti=Do’s Father.

Do also described Ti as the Admiral while he was a Captain on Their crew.To join the crew requires an application of giving Them our service against all odds because the world has all but ruled out the LAH’s real existence.

I guarantee no humans in history even come close to mimicking Ti&Do,who were 100% aligned w/every word/way recorded from Jesus. Fear or not having KoG seed are the only things that keep someone from fully examining Ti&Do.

According to Rio,aka Neody,the last one to leave the group just weeks before they layed down their bodies,as he recorded in his book entitled,Beyond Human Mind,The Soul Evolution of Heaven’s Gate Do told them…

…He realized/remembered something from when he was incarnate in the body called Jesus.”He(as Jesus) was a fugitive for a while hiding from the Roman officials.During this time He traveled to east Asia”.

Do had a question as to,”why He(as Jesus)came back to a place that He knew was going to kill Him.According to Do the reason was; Jesus was ready to go back to His Father.With tears in His eyes He said:”…

“leaving the body here is how the Soul of Jesus traveled back to the Next Level”.His Soul did exit the body though was repaired enough to PROVE he was still PHYSICAL(NOT a Spirit) & ascended into the hidden spacecraft(UFO).

We were back in San Clemente in Sept. of 94′ when Do brought up to the entire CLASS for the 2nd official time the subject of a possible self initiated EXIT of our physical bodies by use of a permanent sleep inducing drug.

I was still in the class at that time. Do wanted to hear something from each member of the class, which included perhaps a dozen new members.One left after that meeting.I left next but not due to exit talk.

I was still giving into sensuality & not exposing it,two reasons to be sent out of the classroom. I didn’t know why I couldn’t gain control, but Do said he wasn’t ready to “throw me away as I had a lot to offer the LAH”.

By that time I’d been removed from my Overseer position & became withdrawn & complacent as I knew I was living a lie by then. One day Do called.I was living w/6 classmates separate from Do & the larger classroom body.

Do told me he wanted me to partner w/Mllody on an overseer task again.That was all it took.How could I be an Overseer when I couldn’t muster what used to be relatively easy control over my vehicles sensual nature?

I said to Do(for the first time in 19 yrs. of fully dedicated service),”I can’t as I’d be a hypocrit”.He responded,”Then what do you want to do?”.I replied,”I’ll have to leave”.He said,”I guess you want more objectivity.”

Do then spoke w/Nrrody who told the others of my decision,adding that Do said no one should try to talk Swyody out of leaving because he knows what he’s doing.I wanted to leave w/nothing,that martyr influence w/me.

They insisted I take $600 plus a plane ticket to where I wanted to go.I chose Phoenix,AZ near 2 former classmates,found a job, apartment,etc..I had NOTHING against them.To relatives surprise I spoke highly of my experience.

The KoG thru Their Rep(s)(Moses) set up life & death rules.Some people rebel from those rules.For example in Exodus 32 as some people began to worship a gold calf at Moses absence,Moses required them to choose sides.

The sons of Levi chose Moses’ side & He instructed them to slay certain others.Now we can fault Moses but the law was not given to Moses who was the current Rep from the KoG,it was given to His followers to abide by.

We can curse the Lord for not stopping Moses as we can for the Lords destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah though it was weeding the garden,again not for us to believe we have the authority to do as we’re not the garden creators.

When a male fertilizes a females egg, they pass on their current physiology AND the content of their mind/spirit/CHOICES.We are all part of the KoG’s designed experience that is free willed & thus experimental in outcome.

A female, of course isn’t designed to pass on their current mindset as developed from birth. They are born w/their eggs, thus have a predestination of sorts though variables are introduced by the male seed.

Thus especially in the earlier years of the experiment,the KoG chose times to weed the garden plot to give their “plants” a chance to develop into flowers(fruit), in this case to actually become part of their own crew.

How is that accomplished? When the direction of a plants evolution is apparent & it’s judged detrimental to the survival of the desired fruit, then the KoG has various methods of weeding-haulting the spread of that seed.

We can see many examples of this weeding under the direction of Moses but in each case options were always given to the weeds though in this garden plot’s weeding it’s accomplished by & large by the potential fruit itself.

If weeds are left to propagate they spread & choke all the healthy plants.The KoG are the judges through their incarnate Reps. However,strong plants can better ward off weed attacks, in this experiment by mental discipline.

But the KoG doesn’t want to eradicate all the weeds as they enact a significant challenge to the fruit’s needed evolution.They serve as fertilizer or like a sparing partner.It’s the Soul body that’s being developed.

Mat 13:30 Let both (tares(weeds (wheat look alike))) & fruit(wheat) grow together til harvest & then will say to the reapers, gather together first the tares & bind them in bundles to burn them & gather wheat to my barn.

“Mat 18:7 Woe to the world because of offences! It must needs be that offences come but woe to that man by whom offence comes” Offenses=Greek:skandalon = trap, snare, stumbling block, tests related to tribulation(pressure).

But as I’ve outlined “giving one’s life” was a given if we wish to apply for membership on the KoG’s team.It’s the application that is in steps,thus Jesus was demonstrating a final step that included a preliminary one.

When a Rep knows it’s time to exit yet they know they can easily hide from those that seek them out, they are left w/initiating their exit/arrest as Jesus did by going back to Jerusalem & calling out Judas to act.

Initiating our own exit w/no provable good reason,like to save another is considered suicide by all those who don’t believe in any beings more evolved than human, who created our reality.

One Luciferian twist is that for Jesus to initiate his own exit was not suicide but was dying for our sins,giving his body/blood so we don’t have to, allowing them to think they reap the reward for no comparable investment.

Another Luciferian twist is that giving one’s life for one’s country is honorable before God.The Luciferians carefully avoid any inclination of giving one’s life FOR the KoG unless they can show it as fanatical coercion.

And of course the Luciferians love promoting giving one’s life to another human, a family member, but mostly for a spouse as a romantic way of thinking,but hates any idea that one could have that degree of love for the KoG.

For those few that do feel inclined to give their life to KoG(in any culture) & for whatever core reason, Luciferians establish it as honorable ONLY within the scope of an organized religion.ALL others are dangerous cults.

Luciferians include promotion of no KoG creator beings & nothing “above us” to give self to as John Lennon sang about & has been deified by.I liked John Lennon’s being against organized religion but for different reasons.

I am totally for community & organizations to accomplish social goals that can result in governments.Common beliefs in the KoG are also Jesus rooted but only individuals can have a relationship w/the KoG, NOT organizations.

The ONLY time it’s an evolutionary step above human to self initiate exit from one’s body is when it’s totally conscious,NOT by a carrot/stick lure, not for self,whether an escape or imagined heroism(martyrdom) AND

NOT of our own WILL but as a result of willful bonding w/a genuine Older Member from the LAH,evidenced to you over time in Their every word/deed as Their student whose WILL you know you WANT to serve because you love Them.

Joh 10:(11)I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.(15)…& I lay down my life for the sheep.(17)Therefore does my Father love me,because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

I’m closing this chapter in saying that my return to Ti&Do’s service was/is still very challenging.We will all be giving our lives to something.We can keep it safe & ordinary or we can take it to the NEXT LEVEL.

After ~12 yrs. of a return to asking for service to Ti & Do,I asked Do if I needed to prepare myself to lay down my life as They did.Do came to me in a dream that same night & said,”Give Your Life”,a process.

Many choices are very difficult,especially when there’s no recognizable payback.There’s still an open door to choose to apply for a step wise service to Ti & Do from the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

Making such application is simple:Start serving.How? Decide that you believe in who Ti&Do are & tell others what They said/did. It’s between You & Ti and Do, the last current representatives from the Level Above Human.

Was the Heaven’s Gate/Hale Bopp group murdered?

March 1, 2011

Are there any grounds to believe that Do and students aka the Heaven’s Gate group were murdered?

Apparently someone is spreading the idea and of course why not consider it. The shadow govt in the US has certainly done many shady deals. Instigating and then letting or even partially orchestrating and/or facilitating, even by not apprehending and/or intercepting one or all of the 9-11 attackers/airliners certainly has a great deal of grounds to consider something conspiratorial and sinister afoot, as with all the assassinations in the 60’s/70’s – JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcom X, John Lennon etc. – anyone who threatens the existing power structures by gaining people support. However, there was no people support for Bo and Peep (Do and Ti).

I know first hand that these were not murders in any way whatsoever though I know some say they murdered themselves or believe Do mesmerized them to euthanize themselves, both of which is preposterous when you know the full story.

They each knew exactly what they were doing and for a few, if they had any reservations they felt it was worth the gamble, what some would call the leap of faith. Of course for those with no faith in the real existence of a Creator Kingdom of  evolutionarily Above Human beings(mentally and physically), where Jesus  and Moses and Their  Father/Lord originated from then it would have seemed useless and/or insane.

I, known as Sawyer was with them from 1975 – 1994 which included when we talked about exiting our bodies by ingesting strong sleep/death inducing drugs. Do asked each student in group if they had an reservations after explaining the procedure.

This was days after the 2nd public dissemination of Ti and Do’s information that began 1/1/1994 and ended by early September of 1994 that began from Escondido, CA as 4 groups in vans going in separate directions and ended with meetings in New Hampshire.

Do actually first brought up the idea of “self assisted exit of our vehicles” while camping in eastern Massachusetts but just in a general way saying “we might have to take our exit into our own hands” which was because no one cared about what we were saying no matter how bold we were. I think in the New Hampshire meeting that was south of Portsmouth that I primarily spoke at, only a news reporter showed up to so it did become a picture in the paper that’s somewhere on the net.

But further evidence that this was not a murder was the fact that we had been considering the method of exit of our bodies and/or the planet since day one in 1975. Sure at first it was thought we’d be picked up by spacecraft. Ti and Do thought that so they said so. For some reason I in all honestly didn’t believe that then. I didn’t disbelieve it either. It just was something I had a hard time relating to. I did not join because of the UFO hype which by the way started because early students designed posters for meetings using UFO as a headline. When Ti and Do learned of it, they said they would have done it differently as they preferred to refer to the way members of the physical evolutionary level above human travel as spacecrafts though in statement one that Do wrote he did put in parentheses “UFO” alongside his biblical reference to the way Jesus exited by being lifted up into or taken away by a “cloud of light”. At that time Ti and Do who were then called Peep and Bo respectively thought all that would be seen as a spacecraft were Level Above Human aka Kingdom of God transportation. When they learned more about the reported behaviors on board crafts as depicted by contactees and abductees Ti knew they were not members of the Next Level as was the short name, next because it was a humans next opportunity to naturally advance beyond it’s mammalian kingdom level nature.

As Ti and Do thought they would get bumped off, which they were simply reading in the Rev. 11 prophecy that they figured they must be as they at first while still in Houston in 1973 first became aware that they had come from outer space and had a task to perform that had something to do with the bible and bringing some updates. It was a year later that they awakened to being the Two Witnesses in Rev. 11.

When the demonstration of rising from the dead according to their understanding of Rev 11 didn’t seem to be in the cards though there was significant anger against them, even hatred from all sectors, even  but especially from family members of Their followers and from their point of view somewhat understandably as they “know not what they do” Ti and Do believed the demonstration wasn’t going to happen because we, the students weren’t ready for Them to leave. Ti said at that time that the “demonstration was cancelled” though they said they felt shot down when Walter Cronkite announced on CBS national that authorities had discovered the names of the Mysterious Two who were responsible for people walking away from their lives in Waldport, Oregon, (though several dozen from San Francisco and Los Angeles) where I incidentally was building a tee pee styled small house from logs I cut down in the woods on a piece of land we were homesteading in a hippy kind of way.

I’ve detailed a broader picture of the Rev 11 prophecy that actually fits Ti and Do to a T in infovideo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cly07QX1Agw

After some years they thought they might exit their vehicles and/or earth before us and they asked us how that made us feel.

Then they felt on two occasions that we might get picked up by a spacecraft, once while near San Antonio and the second time after Ti’s vehicle “died” of cancer from near Albuquerque where we had engaged an indeterminate length fast that Do changed to water for 13 days with some of us thinking we would die in the desert there or get picked up.

By 1992 or so, after we watched the Branch Davidians get murdered by the ATF/FBI Do considered whether we could stimulate the govt to help us exit. Do asked what we thought about having some guns with blanks in them to provoke the govt with. In 1996 they actually bought two rifles while they were building an “earth ship” near Manzano, NM (not sure of that exact town name).

Then by 1994 having assisted many to leave in various ways direct and indirectly Do wondered if going pubic again might be met with anger enough to do us in but it didn’t.

Thus the two discussions I sited of self assisted exit.

All the while from at least 1990 the group Do had a book called the Hemlock society which talked about all the ways to  self assist one’s vehicles death. It was not available to the students at that time. I saw it once when I was called into Do’s quarters. Later it was put into our student library but it was never mandatory reading.

I was willing then to entertain taking such exit in our own hands.

The castrations were more evidence that this was a serious group that were willing to do whatever it took to show the Next Level that we wanted to be graduated to their “heavenly kingdom above human”. I gave my first hand testimony on the entire couple year discussion/consideration of voluntary castration in my info-video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZy0yVqhuwk

Ti and Do were also always one step ahead of investigators hired to look for their clients loved ones who were all adults and who informed their families of their choice though went for 8+ years without any contact. I say this because Ti and Do were very good at hiding and we moved a great deal.

When we moved into houses from being outside between Wyoming and Texas according to the season, with our tent city, we were told Ti was quite upset thinking that we wouldnt’ exit by spacecraft if we were in a house.

We also talked about growing old living the way we were, until one by one we died off and Do hated that prospect.

At one point in the early 1990’s Do contracted a case of Rocky Mountain Spotted Tick fever and he was very sick and very weak and he told some who visited him in the house he and his two most consistent student helpers were renting near Loveland, Co that he knew he could just curl up and exit his body and that he asked Ti if that was okay, as Ti had already exited by way of the cancer. Ti’s response was that it was Do’s choice. Do said he worried that we the students would flounder and go back into the world if he left so he decided to stay to see his task through.

Ti and Do didn’t ever relish the idea of being killed by someone. They used to joke that “I hope they shoot straight” as they didn’t want themselves or students to be left as vegetables.

And they felt Jesus demonstrated a self assisted exit by willfully walking into a setup to capture him that he knew would result in his being put to death.

It was simply a matter of when and how we’d be exiting our bodies, for instance at another’s hand or on board a spacecraft because Ti and Do never thought the Evolutionary Level Above Human (and Above all human equivalent space aliens) had much use for antiquated mammalian vehicles(bodies) as they Know that the Soul, a container that starts as a seed that they implant into selective human subjects who are desirous of working for whatever they consider to be the Kingdom of God.