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We are all being tested as to our allegiene – forced to decide who to serve The Level Above Human or human Mammalianism

January 22, 2012

Hi Mitch. I’m glad your daughter is doing better and yes I agree that we are all experiencing big changes in our lives that test us and our resolve and this will continue I am sure to many times what we are aware of now but there is a strong dividing line being established by ourselves but that serves a purpose for the beings that developed our total planetary infastructure and intricate life form developments.

It’s very simple. They want to seperate those that seek Their help with our problems vs seeking from anyone or anything other than them.

Since so many have become jaded by religions, and rightfully so, many turn to seeking help from the Universe or the Cosmic Conscious, as you sort of seemed to describe. Others say it’s a “higher power” or the “god within” or spirit world entities, angels, etc. Others are looking to space aliens and many are looking to human science or intellect and those of some human accomplishment, fame and fortune, etc. Most of the religious teachers look to their sacred texts or at least parts of them and many of course call on certain names of those they count as prophets and dieties.

And to each, there is a type of benefit from who we give our allegience to and I have zero interest in wanting to know from you or anyone else who or what they most bond with. The benefit is a sense of being helped which many embrace with a cockeyed optimism, though most often it is like being high, whether on substance or belief, it skews our senses in favour of what we want it to be. This benefit though will be short lived as the human kingdom was not designed to be a permenant evolutionary strata to remain at. It was designed to outgrow, but the only way one can know that and know where to go to tap into that knowing is to keep our eyes and ears peeled for the representatives of those highest of highest existing beings who take human bodies to perform specific tasks for us and who teach eventually needing to proceed past the earliest grade in school of belief and literally seeing the entire human condition as a step in the evolutionary ladder to climb up from which literally means that any representative of these beings would be gradually teaching how that is actually done and when we would be required to give our all to such an endeavour.

So what am I saying…that one needs to use some magic words that upon expressing will summon the highest beings. And to some degree yes, I am. I have been given a tremendous amount of evidence that these higher beings sent those who last were called Ti and Do the most hated and ignored and misunderstood that had the biggest global exposure on two seperate occasions with a gap of 12 years between as they went from being called by literally every news magazine, newspaper and radio and tv station the UFO Two (witnesses from rev. 11) in 1975-6 to being called Total Overcomers Anonymoust in 1988-94 to being the Heaven’s Gate group in 1996-7, the hale bopp two tailed (alleged companion object) that was photographed by a Japanese Astronomy organization.

So that’s the choice in my opinion. Ask Ti and Do for help or anybody else. I know it sounds fanactical but we live in fanactical times but I guarantee there won’t be anyone who holds a candle to Ti and Do though most will avoid lile the plague all the materials they left behind that documented their 24 years here.

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January 19, 2012

New M-Class Flare w/ Following CME

by Mitch Battros – Earth Changes Media

Sunspot region 1401 fires off an M3-class flare at approximately 11 AM (PDT). This
event produced a CME (coronal mass ejection) which appears to be moving out of the
ecliptic plane therefore it may present only a glancing blow to Earth.

The CME was associated with the coronal dimming and filament eruption near the solar
disk center, and a post-eruption arcade in sunspot region 1399 was observed by (SD)
Solar Dynamics Observatory. The STEREO/COR2 satellite indicates that the CME was
accelerating and its radial speed reached values around 450 km/s.

CME Video – []This CME is expected to be at most, a glancing blow to Earth on January 21st with
possible active to minor geomagnetic storm conditions.

Sunspots => Solar Flares (charged particles) => Magnetic Field Shift => Shifting
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Prayers Do Work – Daughter Improved Diagnosis

I wish to thank every single one of you who have poured your hearts out with love
and powerful affirmations. I know from the place of an organic intuitive rhythmic
gene which I believe is innate of all humans, that your prayers and visualization
is healing my daughter.

I know many of you must be asking yourself:”What would I do in this situation?”
Or, “Why is this happening to me?” Well, to know surprise I have asked that myself
every single day. Here I am – Mr. ‘prepare for the coming changes’, then realized
how unprepared I really am.

If my research is accurate, in both the science world, and in the study of ancient
text, then what I am going through now is perhaps a flavor (if not exactly) what
all of us have in-store. It is sudden or fast moving change, accompanied by the
feelings of unsure – unfamiliar – unsteady – at times helpless – questioning –
perhaps forced reflection (what did I do, or what did I not do) – what is really
the meaning of ‘acceptance’ – what is really the meaning take-charge or ’empowerment’?

I have a lot more to say. I plan to do so in my next newsletter. For the scientifically
oriented, once again, I promise to keep you informed of all breaking news events
in earth science, space weather, and ancient text.

Again, I do not believe I can thank you enough for your emails telling of prayers,
visualizations, blessings and words of wisdom that have touched my very core. My
wife has only been able to view a few of them because she chooses to stay near
our daughters icu crib for most of the day and night. This is the first day I have
been able to better “turn it over to God” while I communicate with my extended family
(that would be you).


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to change. ….. Even if it is good.

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The scriptural Jesus evidence of a Luciferian false prophet calling himself INRI Cristo

January 20, 2012

I have been engaged in various debates with different Christian bloggers, one of which is the Spirit of Discernment blog run by a person named Henry. Henry blocked my Sawyer ID but I’ve come back with yet another. I’m very clear that Henry himself has made up his mind in regards to Ti and Do, so I’m not looking to pester him at all, but some of the people that engage his and other Christian’s blogs are fertile territory to plant Ti and Do seeds. Now anyone reading this for the first time may think I am looking to create an organization by winning other’s allegience to my take on Ti and Do, but those who know me over the years know that I have zero desire for such though there has been a little interest expressed in such a thing. The facts are that we are a part of an organization that is very, very organized and very, very adept in “gardening”, planting seeds and bringing those seeds to harvest according to their (the humans that ask, in whatever way for and receive such seeds) free will and pace, though the Level Above Human doesn’t allow the lukewarm much opportunity to stay lukewarm.
As a result of one of the latest comment exchanges on Henry’s blog I met someone named Sameul who would speak about someone named INRI Cristo. He seemed open to examining INRI, so I got his email address so Henry could not block our posts to one another, so here is what I put together so far for Sameul to consider. According to Sameul INRI has gained some popularity among Brazilians thus there may be a fertile field in Brazil and it’s also interesting that Brazil has been an early hub for UFO activity which is indicative of a Luciferian Space Alien presense which is going to be because of the Souls there that they can try to win over to their side.
What is also interesting to me is how this person called INRI brings to the fore things that I have pointed out are a sure sign of a false prophet, false return of the one called Jesus, that being, that any prospect have a new name. Even though that is apparant to anyone who studies what Jesus said and prophesized, I hadn’t heard much talk in that straight forward kind of way as the general Luciferian strategy was to harp on the Jesus return being a strictly spiritual, and/or supernatural and/or mystical kind of return as in hovering in the sky with fanfare and drama one can find in mythologies and hollywood depictions, that until Ti and Do began their interface with the Earth was moreorless the only way people could really think about it, though there were exceptions here and there. The Luciferians play all angles and they are in the fight as we speak. The premise that they don’t exist is akin to the one where Jesus never existed and no “God” exists.
The Sword of the Mouth against the Luciferian backed False Prophets and False Christs – Subject: INRI Cristo
Part I:
At the end of this document are the listings of links to INRI’s youtube channel and documents he wrote, some of which I am going to be addressing here. For those that know nothing about INRI, I’m including a description from someone who knows him and some of his followers/students/disciples. He claims to be Jesus with a new name as prophesized and that name is INRI CRISTO, the name Pontius Pilat gave Jesus when he laid down his life (as he said, and did so for his Father, not for us, not that it wouldn’t be for us, but if the Father had not instructed him what to do, he simply wouldn’t have done it. That’s the way relationships work between Father and Son in the Kingdom of God, in the heavens what is elevated above us physically and mentally, thus covers the sky/atmospheric region to deep, deep outer space).
I must say up front that after examining two of INRI’s videos online and reading what he wrote about reincarnation, and resurrection and resusitation, I find INRI’s teachings far short of what I believe, and have a great deal of literal evidence of what the Jesus return must look like.
Any true examiner/tester seeker, knocker, asker, thirsty Soul will look for consistancy among dozens of prophesies and dozens of examples in Jesus stories (parables, with a lesson that has a literal application), direct instructions/commandments and ways he thought and acted. The way he evidenced knowing the meaning of scriptures the religious had no good explanation for. His manner and way and consideration and of course all he said, to whom, when, why and in what context, and then of course what he did, every moment we can be aware of. Finally we need to see his same kind of overview while dealing with each of the specifics and what he required of his students to be his disciple and what was optional (making self a eunuch for example). He will demonstrate seeing through all the religions because he will be to us, at least one big step ahead of anything religious leaders demonstrate and represent as related to the Kingdom of God. Of course this will make for an intense challenge to change one’s mind (repent) or continue as a slave to Mammon – wealth in all ways, intellectual to physical. He will demonstrate the same humility and recognition of his need/desire to do his Father’s will. Finally he would know what would come to pass at his return and why. All these aspects of the one called Jesus must be repeated and/or Updated with new language(tongue)words, terminology, dialect, subCULTure.
And those that believe in the returned Divine Souls (Father, Son, Crew(angels, watchers, etc.)) from the great Creation Corporation(Family Organization) among the stars will tell us new things in new ways. She&He won’t use the same stories. (She is NOT Mary). She is the woman in Revelations 12, the one who births him into Fatherhood himself and who has been the Older Member(Heavenly Father) of 12 star systems.(Elohim is plural…They work in partnerships as Jesus exampled saying where two or more are gathered in my name I am in their midst. And when you have a problem bring it to another, then to two to have witnesses and then to the community. He sent out the 70 in twos on design. Frequently you can tell who is from the Kingdom of God in the Bible and who may not be by whether or not there were TWO beings/angels (as we know the Luciferians do attempt to masquerade as acting on behalf of the Kingdom of God). The etomology of the word Jerusalem has a duel implication in the Jeru part).
Those who follow Them in deed, what They will require of us to do as opposed to what we believe that at first is to tell others about them, as we saw Jesus do, even talking about the Father’s point of view will show you plainly about the Father, will not go over any better, but perhaps even worse in some ways when executed nowadays. However at first, because of being largely ignored, accept for the Trumphet opening that will be heard all over the world and will take the form of a media story about Them, one of the ways “every eye” at that time can see. That means it’s available but for those not looking for something more in their lives, even if they see and understand what they are seeing to a significant felt degree, however lasting, it will challenge them to look into further. Those who don’t want to know what these Two are about, fearing them, seeing them as fanactic and/or lunatics, false Christs. Those are the seeds which is an illustrative term for Souls that are actual containers, (new wineskins) that are choked by the cares of the world.
However, it won’t be over until The Father and Son say it’s over so everyone will have ample chance to change though many will never want to and that’s the way the garden grows. There is always a choice, except in dying and it’s timing. Not all seed at any grade level grow at the same pace, which is why we must always treat everyone with respect. No one is prevented from growing exceedingly fast, so much so that a Soul in a lessor grade level can overtake an upper grade level Soul, though it’s not a competion.
One job I feel I have at this time is to help people understand scripture and the Kingdom of God that will then also surface the truth about would be claimants who regardless of whether they are sincere or not are acting in some way as false prophets, that is anyone who is teaching about the kingdom of God or against the existence of the Kingdom of God, (in whatever terminology, not bound to one culture) while not teaching everything he taught as it is able to be literally understood. (Since Paul of Tarsus never knew Jesus, what he said and did, though still interesting and of value, is not an authority that can be trusted. In fact I am certain that it was a Luciferian that blinded Paul and told him he was Jesus. In other words he was shown a great sign and wonder that turned his eyes onto Jesus but not to Jesus teachings as much, except for what he could get from the disciples and understand the context of and according to his asking The Father for help. But given what the so called Church has become, with many clinging to every word out of Pauls mouth but rarely creating sermons on much of what Jesus said, shows why. The Luciferians create the religions but the KIngdom of God knows they can still make a positive of it so they allow it for a time. Now is the time that we are to see through religion and even know that it is actually a “killer of souls” because of how it teaches to stay away from anything that challenges our ideas about God. Thaat involves a whole slew of terms that when many Christians here them they think, “that’s from evil…”,etc. The real Jesus will come sharing info past and present in a “plainer/blunter” manner. And if they are claiming to be the emodiment of the same Soul called Jesus then they must also abide by the highest standards of behavior and ways, that celebacy is certainly part of but not the only part.
I know I sound like I’m full of myself and I do admit having an ego that can try to take credit for knowing about what I am expressing but what I express is a mix of what I received from two people I considered to be my Teachers, whom I spent 19 years literally living with or close by to, who I saw regularily in what is considered a cult and what I have experienced since leaving them and going back into the world but then returned to their service after they had both left their physical bodies and to date they occasionally come to me in dreams, never both at the same time though. From here on out I will refer to them by the last names they took, Ti and Do. They were a woman and a man who by meeting recognized they had a task to do for the Kingdom of God that involved the fulfillment of prophecy and to bring some updates to the Bible. Their relationship was always strictly plutonic but they operated as one unit, though the man knew that the woman was much wiser, I’m going to introduce the most recent names they used, as when they began their walk for the Kingdom of God, what they called the Next Evolutionary Level Above Human they were attracted by the movie, “The Sound of Music”. They felt like God put things in that movie to help them awaken to the task they had for the Kingdom of God. They came to believe they were the Two Witnesses in Revelations chapter 11 and that they were actually Father and Son in their Heavenly Kingdom. So I am not a stranger to the idea that the return was to be a physical incarnate return and that it would be met by hostility by all the traditional religious institutions and much of their constituency. They used the names Ti and Do, yes like do, re, me, fa, so, la, ti, do. Do was the male and Ti was the female but they said they were not the bodies. They were the souls that took over the bodies but they were bodies that would have otherwise died soon after birth had it not been for the power of God healing them so they could perform their planned task to assist a small student body through a type of graduation that is depicted as a garden harvest in Revelations Chapter 14. Lots more to come on Ti and Do and you can at any time examine my posts at: and . I AM NOT LOOKING FOR FOLLOWERS. THERE IS NO ORGANIZATION TO JOIN. THE INFORMATION TI AND DO BROUGHT IS ALL FREE BUT THERE ARE HARD COPIES SOME OTHER STUDENTS ARE SELLING BUT I DON’T PROMOTE THAT EFFORT. I SIMPLY PASS ON WHAT I KNOW AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND THAT’S IT FROM ME.
When testing anothers claims of christship, wherever possible I try to find three clear scriptural facts, that aren’t identical (as from two different gospels) to back up what I am making a case for. I have only touched the surface of all that the return of the Kingdom of God Representatives Father & Son & Workers & Saints will fulfill in their time.
With that said, I will outline some of why I don’t see INRI even coming close to the Return. I’m not saying he is not a good man and well intended and that he thinks he is the returned Jesus, and I’m not saying that he isn’t providing people with hope in these most difficult and troubling (for many) “end” times. Like Jesus says, a prophet gets a prophet’s reward thus being a follower of a prophet can only yield the content of the prophecy and we all know that Jesus was greater than a prophet thus his return will also be greater than any prophets. It appears INRI has followers so they will get a followers reward as I understand as I too have been a follower. But for those that are really thirsty for truth, being with INRI if he really was the returned soul from the Kingdom of God would provide them with constant and challenging growth most everyday they are with him. If not then his position is in big question.
I would hope you might share this with some of his students, if you think any would be interested to see things they probably havn’t seen quite the way I will provide, because when it was presented to me, I knew there was something very unique in it’s content. I know that sounds lofty of me, but the truth is that I’m lucky to have been a recipient. My thanks is to share it with others. I am a student like any of us, though when I was young I too thought about whether or not I was Jesus. But I quickly knew that I was absolutely not. What I was picking up on though was that to make application to be on Jesus and His Father’s team one must attempt to become a Christ themselves. In other words they would need to be Christened but not at all like the Catholics do.
Part 2:
The main area in which I find INRI’s viewpoint very limiting and not consistant with the genuine One True Kingom of God’s return is surrounding what’s known as Jesus death and resurrection and ascension. (note, this has nothing to do at all with Catholicism or any Christian sects position as none of them represent the truth, except in what they say and do that Jesus instructed/exampled).
I believe INRI is also off the mark of being Jesus in the way he depicts himself. He says, “If you see any apparantly faulty or unjustifiable thing or act in me, the mistake is not in me, it is in the malicious optics of your vision. There cannot be any mistake in me because I am pure and I came to this world without free will only to execute the will of the Supreme and perfect Being who sent me again.”
This doesn’t sound like the Jesus who when addressed as good said,
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
And doesn’t demonstrate wanting and measuring himself by his Heavenly Father’s standards rather than talking himself up as in:
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
When he says, “And when you dare to judge me, you will be judged by Him.” how does that mindset compare with:
“Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come”
Jesus said people would be forgiven evenif they spoke against him.
INRI says, “Blessed are the eyes that look at me and see who I am. Blessed are the ears that hear me and recognize me by my voice. Blessed are you who listen to me because I tell you only what I hear from my FATHER who is in me.”
He here is all about himself. Jesus was all about the information he was delivering and it’s source, his Father. Now this does sound like Paul of Tarsus.
Then in the video I got these quotes from:
“[He (INRI) goes into a prayer, cuping his hands like catholics teach and looking up]Oh, FATHER, eternal and infallible GOD, CREATOR of the Universe from the summit of your Kingdom, from the throne of your power, from whose height your watchful eyes everything discover, everything see, bless your children with healthy light and justice, because yours is all the glory, forever and ever, oh, FATHER!][end of prayer] Peace be with you all.”
When did Jesus give any indication that the Father’s children needed to be blessed with justice? Plus all those flowery words do not resemble the way of Jesus spoke and didn’t mince words at all.
However these are incidentals: The real tell tale sign follows:
Pertaining to the resurrection from the dead:
First off, this seems to be the only segment of scripture INRI doesn’t touch upon:
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
That’s “1) handle me, (2) See me that I’m flesh and bones (3) he showed his hands and feet, I suspect to show the wounds as Thomas was provided. 4) He handled something physical – fish and a honeycomb which isn’t generally within a spirits capacity and 5) He ate.
Can one prove being physical any further? In any case, here is more evidence:
Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mar 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
Mar 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
Mar 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
Mar 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
Mar 16:7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
Mar 16:8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
The stone is removed and was very great thus they were puzzeled. So one “man” seen dressed in a long white garment and this freightened them as he talks to them and tells them where to find Jesus.
And then others saw him too.
Mar 16:12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
Mar 16:13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
Mar 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
Another form is key here. This means he was in at least two forms and in this form walked.
Then he was witnessed to ascend into the heavens:
Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
In Matthews account:
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Perhaps this “angel” (messenger/worker) had the task of rolling away the stone. If anyone doesn’t know that the Kingdom of God could easily do this. If we can imagine how then it can be done many more technically advances ways and even ways that seem natural to observers like a shaking of the earth.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
The young man at the tomb in Marks account had on a long white robe of sorts as well, thus a collaboration that implys they were visible (though spirits can be visible to some at times).
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Mat 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
Mat 28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
Then here is yet another hard to dispute physical evidence:
Mat 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Can one hold a spirit by it’s feet. And another spot indicated they were walking together. The spirits I’ve seen and heard about glide though it’s true they could have missed this. They did say he was alive. Alive is not a term for being in spirit form. Being with Jesus they did believe in spirits – disembodied human minds/consciousnesses.
Mat 28:10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
Mat 28:11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
Mat 28:12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
Mat 28:13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
Mat 28:14 And if this come to the governor’s ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
Mat 28:15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
Note: So this idea of a plot to discredit the disciples testimony began immedieatly when Jesus had been killed physically. I know some think he was adept in mediation and slowed his heart so that he was just in coma. Well of course we can make up anything to keep from considering the facts as reported. Even if he was hammered through the hands and feet and was stabbed in the side and had other wounds, all of these would have ammounted to tremendous blood loss and in hours at most he would be dead.
It’s real easy to pick and choose but is just to not have to consider it as reality, though we can believe in other miricles.
Here’s the rest of Matthew’s testimony:
Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Some doubted so there was something about him that wasn’t clearly him or clearly physical or both.
Let’s look further at Luke’s account up until he eats with them, the biggest direct evidence of his dense physicality as I’ve already listed:
Luk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Luk 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
Luk 24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
Luk 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
Luk 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
Luk 24:6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
Luk 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
Luk 24:8 And they remembered his words,
Luk 24:9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
Luk 24:10 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
Luk 24:11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
Luk 24:12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
This idea of INRI’s that he could not have been clothed by the Kingdom of God is ridiculous. They design and maintain planetary systems and design and develop all sorts of genetic code to generate into all sorts of living biolocial structures and organ systems and it isn’t logical and scientific to think they could give him a fresh set of clothes.
Luk 24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
Luk 24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
Luk 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
Luk 24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
Luk 24:17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
Luk 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
Luk 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
Luk 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Luk 24:22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
Luk 24:23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
So they are walking and talking with someone whom they did not recognize thus another indicator that he had been in a different form then. This might have been his Soul Body. I believe the Soul Body is in and of itself like a balloon emamating from the human head it is attached to but potentially can permeate every cell of the body so that if the flesh is removed, as it is a frequency and very light particle structure it remains and still retains the shape and features of the body that was wrapped around that Soul/Spirit. Do said that there were more than one kind of Soul implant(not to be confused with space alien or human implantings). I’m pretty sure the Kingdom of God doesn’t put little receivers into humans as some abductees claim. They literally tag the humans they want to work with. I suspect the tag acts both as a honing device, perhaps having a unique identification marking/program that stimulates a thirst to understand what they have been given to understand exists, that they are taught by society as God or The Kingdom of God, or in other cultures according to when the Kingdom of God works with any given group. This is not the first civilization on Earth. I would guess that when someone tagged seeks their help, they give them a first stage Soul. When that human dies, They save, what my teacher called “put on ice” (not literally) that Soul body and have a place to keep it that’s safe, not allowing it to go into the Earth’s Spirit/discarnate (electromagnetic field) “world”. Meanwhile everyone influenced by that saved Soul’s service to the KIngdom of God, passes on some form of that to their offspring or if they talk about their experiences then from whoever hears them. In this way the human gnome’s brain programs are given a new interface, new possabilities which boils down to a Thirst, Appreciation, Thanks and expectation of opportunities to learn by. Then when the Kingdom of God is ready to return with one or more of theirs undercover, not seen by all humans necessarily, at least at first, until they have a chance to exit their existing physical vehicles(bodies, to them are sophisticated and valued tools).
Luk 24:24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luk 24:28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
Luk 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
He took the bread and broke it. If the bread was physical his hands were probably physical then. I say probably because there is always other possabilities.
Luk 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
He vanished out of their sight. We don’t know what that means exactly except that he left. He could have literally disappeared, and especially if he was in a “spirit form” then but they could have also become distracted and he left during their distraction and it seemed like vanishing.
Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
Luk 24:33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
This is when he has they touch him and see his wounds and he eats with them and says “I am flesh and bone”.
Now to be thorough here is John’s account:
Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Joh 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the LORD out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
Joh 20:3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
Joh 20:4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
Joh 20:5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
Joh 20:6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
Joh 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
Joh 20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
Joh 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
Joh 20:10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
Joh 20:11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
Joh 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
Joh 20:13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my LORD, and I know not where they have laid him.
I guess they didn’t look particularily spirit like or this would have shocked her.
Joh 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Again Jesus is in this unrecognizable form:
Joh 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Does this sound like she thinks she is talking to a spirit. I am only harping on this because if there were workers for the Kingdom of God, they appeared to Mary as physical beings that didn’t look too out of the ordinary.
Joh 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
So here is where he says not to touch him. Perhaps that was so they wouldn’t know that he wasn’t dense physical or perhaps there was another reason but we know he showed up in at least two forms and that both showed physical characteristics while one seemed beyond our idea of physical.
Joh 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD.
Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
Joh 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Joh 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
If he had a gap in his side it must have been quite the stabbing. He had to have been healed somewhat but not so much that he couldn’t show his evidence of being physical.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Joh 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Thus I suspect what happened was that at first He did not have the physical body he had occupied that was killed. Perhaps it was on a spacecraft being healed and that takes some time so that it would be functional and still identifable as being the same person they had known but he may have wanted to demonstrate some extra “powers” like dissappearing or going through a wall and talking and walking among them but that He said not to touch him because he was in his Soul Body that has some degree of physicality to it but not so much that they could become confused as in spirit form alone is the way Luciferians manifest themselves to people as we could see with Paul of Tarsus account.
But the Luke account that has it’s correlation with the other Thomas account where there is some touching and the holding of his feet provide three seperate contexts that prove he had a physicality, in at least one of his forms.
I can tell you something about this idea that he was only a spirit. Lucifer was plotting all along how to influence humans to disbelieve in Jesus and a physical recovery from death and his physical ascension so he looks for anyone who he can co-opt because he want’s people to think the Kingdom of God is the “spirit world” because that is where he is moreorless limited to, the internal sky/atmospher and near space around the planet to include the upper atmosphere, even some distance to where satellites are sent perhaps using spacecraft for those that still have physical bodies they captured to be their pawns. And also, seeing Jesus as a spirit also allowed believers to think that the spirit that came to Paul and said he was Jesus was Jesus when Jesus warned not to believe anyone who came claiming to be Jesus. Now the comforter and/or Holy Spirit was a spirit and did come to help those who asked for help, helping them recall all Jesus said and did. But that comforter never appeared to them in spirit form.
* Then there was the Lazarus story he used to claim resusitation:
True, at first the quote says Jesus said, “he [Lazarus] was asleep”, but I believe to Jesus that meant his soul was asleep as this author explains so it’s not just my conjecture:
Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth(koimao); but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep(koimao).
sleepeth = 2837 koimao {koy-mah’-o}
from 2749;; v
AV – sleep 10, fall asleep 4, be asleep 2, fall on sleep 1, be dead 1; 18
1) to cause to sleep, put to sleep 2) metaph. 2a) to still, calm, quiet 2b) to fall asleep, to sleep 2c) to die
Thus there is a metaphorical “sleep” just like people now say of someone who died, they are at rest, their final resting place or they passed away.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep(koimao), he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
death = 2288 thanatos {than’-at-os}
from 2348; TDNT – 3:7,312; n m
AV – death 117, deadly 2; 119
1) the death of the body 1a) that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul and the body by which the life on earth is ended 1b) with the implied idea of future misery in hell 1b1) the power of death 1c) since the nether world, the abode of the dead, was conceived as being very dark, it is equivalent to the region of thickest darkness i.e. figuratively, a region enveloped in the darkness of ignorance and sin 2) metaph., the loss of that life which alone is worthy of the name, 2a) the misery of the soul arising from sin, which begins on earth but lasts and increases after the death of the body in hell 3) the miserable state of the wicked dead in hell 4) in the widest sense, death comprising all the miseries arising from sin, as well physical death as the loss of a life consecrated to God and blessed in him on earth, to be followed by wretchedness in hell
Here “sleep” is translated from another Greek word for sleep:
sleep = 5258 hupnos {hoop’-nos}
from an obsolete primary (perhaps akin to 5259 through the idea of subsilience); TDNT – 8:545,1233; n m
AV – sleep 6; 6
1) sleep
I suspect there might have been some confusion among those that witnessed this, that somehow John, the author of this part knew about so he added that clarification, as if he was really sleeping as we understand that word today, why would he had indicated his desire to awaken him or Jesus at that point thought he was in what today we would call a coma. Later in this section of scripture, we can see that Jesus saw it as an opportunity to demonstrate the power of God to those that needed to witness more to grab onto more of the breadth of who Jesus was.
Another way to look at this: To awaken him out of sleep can mean that Jesus was going to go fetch his Soul that would have left the body soon after an actual but perhaps had not yet so might have been right there with the body, but Jesus knowing full well that after physical death there was as spirit and/or a Soul that is very much existing.
But here is the clincher, which INRI fails to mention, similar to the way he failed to mention the three very revealing scriptures that indicated Jesus was still flesh and bone when he escaped death and the tomb, helped by Kingdom of God helper:
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly(bluntly), Lazarus is dead(apothnesko).
There’s no mistaking this statement but if someone claims the word used as “dead” really meant “sleep or coma” here is the greek word used in this context:
dead = 599 apothnesko {ap-oth-nace’-ko}
from 575 and 2348; TDNT – 3:7,312; v
AV – die 98, be dead 29, be at the point of death + 3195 1, perish 1, lie a dying 1, be slain + 5408 1, vr dead 1; 112
1) to die 1a) of the natural death of man 1b) of the violent death of man or animals 1c) to perish by means of something 1d) of trees which dry up, of seeds which rot when planted 1e) of eternal death, to be subject to eternal misery in hell
Joh 11:15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
Here is where Jesus is indicating this as an opportunity to demonstrate the power of God.
The story goes on and Jesus brings him our of his tomb and state of death evidenced by his body being in that condition for 4 days and by then was smelling very bad.
INRI’s saying that it was poor hygene that caused the smell and said it had been three days but the evidence says 4 days and that he was dead all that time.
Joh 11:16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die(apothnesko) with him.
Joh 11:17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.
It seems consistant that INRI doesn’t believe Jesus nor his Heavenly Father and the Kingdom of God have the power or desire to use a demonstration of conquering of death to teach students what’s possible and he seems sarcastic to me in his saying so. I’m not big on the miricles as what he said was far more moving to my mind, and especially here in 2012 when people are thougth dead all the time yet come back often without medical science knowing how.
INRI seems to think it’s not logical and scientific to think it’s possible that Jesus’ body was brought back to life, thus stood up again(resurrected) from a literal dead condition, regardless of whether or not he was adept at slowing his heart like some Hindi yogi’s practice along with breathing. I’m not Catholic and do find a great deal of fault with the Catholic religon as all the religions but the evidence is that on this front there was no deceit, except in the story of the way the authorities feared his body being stolen. Without having done that, they would have not known for a fact that he was the expected messiah. He had to be taken physically. That was the Motis Operandi. Now of course for all those that choose to believe that the entire story was made up to control people, then there’s no sense in even talking about this. And do we have to agree that the Bible is the ultimate authortity and for that matter every word. I say no, absolutely not. That’s another Luciferian ploy to hault people’s exploration for the whole truth and nothing but the truth about why we are here and what all it reality and what isn’t except in purely temporary etheral and physical durations of life.
True, INRI says some things that are indicative of any returned Jesus. For instance:
1. He will come physically looking like one of us, human.
Moses said this about the next appearance as Peter also refers to in Acts to prove that Jesus was to come in the flesh as the religious thought he’d come similar to the way many christians think, in the clouds on a flaming chariot. This is a point of confusion though, as there is evidence that he also comes this way. What I am saying is that there is evidence that what many call the second coming has two major phases, the first being “as a thief” thus in secret to most of the world, though visible at the same time as the world for the most part doesn’t know who/what they are looking at. He absolutely will always be perceived by the establishment as a cult, so in that way INRI fits the bill and having the catholics against him is a no brainer as the catholics and virtually all the christian and other religouis institutions are all in actuality at this time “killers of souls” in stead of assisting in the birthing of souls that Jesus is all about.
2. He will have a new name.
I won’t go into this but he must also be able to explain why he must have a new name. Lots of people with non-jesus names say they are the returned Christ and/or the returned Maitreya (the hindu/buddhist equivilent, as Jesus said he had more than one flock and we can see the same requirements in the Vedas and the Upanishads of these religions thus leads us to consider Jesus other flock are they.
3. He brings liberation and freedom from false religions
Yes, he does bring liberation and freedom but he must be able to explain what that means in practical terms that jive with all else that Jesus taught. This is also taught by the Jehovah Witnesses, yet they have so much else they are missing about Jesus return.
4. Talks about Fatima as a creation of the Catholics to detract from the return of Jesus.
This has truth to it I believe but there are many such “great signs and wonders” that end up fooling some into belief. What I am saying has truth is the fact that there are those mostly in religions that knowingly or not are being used by the lower forces, the Luciferian, and get this “space aliens” who are the fallen angels of the historic record who rebelled against the kingdom of God and try to look for ways to sabatoge any new believer, to take their soul over and they do this by creating facsimilli’s of what the Luciferians know of the ways of the Kingdom of God, because they had been given a certain amount of service and thus learned something about how the garden is grown. The two biggest aspects that show light on fatima being a luciferian influenced “show” is that they are portraying “mary” as a saint when there is no evidence that she was a full time student of the one she birthed, though was fertilized by untraditional means the reason for the virgin story. And I am aware of the gospel according to mary that is part of the nag hamadi library found in the 1940’s or so that does paint Mary as a believer but Jesus was clear not to make graven images (statues of saints) and not to put students on a pedestal as many do as the only beings we should put on their correctly held pedestal are the Father and Jesus.
5. It is true that there will also be a new location for the Kingdom of Gods’ next return so Jerusalem is out. And it won’t be to jews and it won’t be in the middle east.
Jesus said it would be to a new “genus”.
6. Since this person seems to be native to Brazil and thus a dialect of Spanish this meets the criteria of Jesus followers having a new tongue. However I believe there is evidence that this idea of a new tongue goes deeper as all God prophecies have a number of layers of interpretation, all of which will cross reference with one another.
For instance, since Jesus returns to a new nation(genus) it’s a given that there will be a new language, but he also said when he returned he would “show us plainly the Father” (and the Father’s kingdom), no more in parables/proverbs/stories. Now if he is to speak plainly and we also know that he spoke to his disciples revealing more than those there who hadn’t left all behind to join him, he must also have new terminolgy (aspect of language/tongue).
On this point, I haven’t heard anything from INRI that is new and plainer spoken, and about the FAther and his kingdom.
7. True the new Jesus incarnation will travel around proclaiming his new message.
The clearest evidence of this is in rev 11’s Two Witnesses both of who are Christs (annointed with oil), so who is the other witness if he is one.
Part 3:
Now on the reincarnation front I generally agree with INRI. In several places in the New Testement Reincarnation, though that term is never used, instead using regeneration (re genus) or resurrection or rise up as a soul returning to take over a body or simply the continuation of the genetic tree whereby humans are like leaves on a tree. They fall away yet the branch, trunk and roots remain and produce a next generation of leaves and the next generation represents all those leaves grew to before dying off, which has to do with the environment the leaf lived through. But a returning Soul is not returning to grow in that human body but rather grow from learning to direct that human body. The term grow only pertains to the KIngdom of God though the Luciferians also grow in figuring ways to turn souls away from the Kingdom of God. But the Kingdom of God keeps a fair balance and never wastes any plant when it might bloom during the next season.
So Paul is also correct as each human body only has one life and each human body has it’s own spirit it is developing by living and that spirit does exist after death, but is not the same thing as a soul. A soul is a seperate container that is what Jesus spoke about as a new wineskin and a seed or a type of marking the Kingdom of God does to moreorless tag which vehicles they want to have returneed Souls(saints) try to take over to be harvested by later.
Some things INRI says I believe are scriptural evidence of whoever returns from the Kingdom of God to be incarnate among us humans again. Jesus does come in a physical body again and does have a new name and he does come to a new land and a new people but I believe the United States demonstrates being more primed. This is why the United States became one of the biggest if not the biggest instigator of problems for much of the world while allowing it’s people to have certain freedoms, but of course to a degree and mega Mammon prosperity. I’m not saying the Kingdom of God has not had a great amount of dealings in Brazil. I know it has. There is a reason why the U.S. became the picture of freedom for many and advanced in all ways beyond or before most countries. It’s actually quite a story but I’ll throw out one big idea that may be met by skepticism which is fine but needs to be considered to see a larger picture of what’s genuine and real.
There is a scripture that says:
In both scriptures below Jesus is giving out indicators of WHERE the Kingdom of God and he will return to:
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gatherd together.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
A carcus is where the dead are. That’s spiritually dead in that they were given some attention but decided to go their own way. The eagles in this case I believe to be space aliens and actually predatory space aliens who are actually Luciferian offspring, from his genus and when talking about Luciferians that includes others who also fell away from the Kingdom of God and now are preying upon Souls that still have a chance to recognized the true Jesus when he comes.
The biggest place I’m aware of with the most UFO and space alien contact is the US. I know Brazil has also had a great deal of activity and so I suspect it’s also where many spiritual dead are. The space aliens want those that are spiritually dead to the Kingdom of God because they are moreorless renegades like themselves rejecting the Kingdom of God, either by thinking of themselves as atheists and then any who believe in things of spirit as a genetic mutation. In a sense that’s true. In order to believe in the Creators, one has to be on the receiving end of a seed having been planted somewhere in one’s genetic past. All others are humans without much possability, though for anyone to hear this, if they feel I am pulling an elitist perspective on them, it’s clearly not as it’s simply a matter that if anyone wants to have a relationship with the kingdom of god and then be among such elites so to speak, then they simply just need to ask. But one needs to ask by a name and not just any name. Jesus taught to ask in by addressing a generic Father in the heaven’s, whose name was hallowed (which could have been saying from Hebrew qadash = Make Clean, purify or just “BE” just like Jehoval means – “existing one” and when Moses asked for a name, “I AM” was given), and to his disciples at the time he was choosing to “lay down his life” as he called turning himself into those who hated him, to have his physical body killed, so he could finish his task, he said they should ask in his name. Upon return then he will instruct students to ask in whatever new name he chooses to have. There is a great deal more to this but I want to focus on what a next Jesus return must look like.
It’s important to realize that to see Jesus realistically will never result in seeing him as ever being popular and one has to admit when you have millions of people claiming to be his believers and many thousands claiming to be teachers of what he said, while few actually quoting or considering the literal interpretation of what he represented to humans 2000 years ago, his name and belief in him in theory is quite popular.
He was hated. He was a cult leader in his day. The religionists (jews, etc) hated him because he challenged them with looking in the mirror. The secularists hated him because they hated anything that challenged their positions. The rich hated him because he challenged their value system. Family of his disciples hated him because their loved ones were leaving behind their family obligations to be with him, all of which is very well documented.
But of course at this time, some think being his believer is not popular and they are persecuted for it. But that’s upside down. Any that are persecuted thinking it’s because they are Christian is because they are imposing their ideas on others, calling their ideas evil and telling them if they don’t believe they are condemned to eternal punishment. So many justify corporate styled colonial ventures that rape and pillage another countries natural resources and people’s livelihood and then put their religion in their faces and when they rebell from oppression, they say, “I’m being persecuted for Jesus” while they hardly ever teach anythng Jesus said except for the big generalities. They are largely hyprocrits giving show to belief and no guts to actually live as he said to live. Today all religions to include christianity is little more than a country club membership. People pay their dues and in return are given a sense that they belong and are in service to God when in their hearts, they are often anything but. I’m not referring to all. It’s a person by person basis and I am not any one’s judge at all. However, when someone is teaching something that is clearly scripturally erroneous I challenge them as I have done with Henry and which he resents because he hates being shown for what he is, a misguided soul who thinks he’s doing it all right with Jesus while refusing to actually pay attention to anything that’s happening around him that could be the Kingdom of God’s way to open his eyes.
This is why I reserved my judgement on INRI until I could check out more than a preliminary view of what he represents to people. But in doing so, I have seen many direct indicators that though he seems to believe in who he thinks he is, he doesn’t demonstrate any of the genuine prerequists and does demonstrate many things that are against his being the same soul returned. Granted he has a few things that are aligned with prophecy but I believe I can show how these are forms of manipulation, not by him consciously but by the Luciferians who are trying to use him to steal away souls that otherwise might keep searching for the real deal.
In terms of what a Jesus return MUST look like…Why do I feel this must be this way. Well, let’s put it this way, if we cover all these bases do you think Jesus would say we WATCHED carefully, keeping oil in our lamps so to see by. Lamp oil produces fire and heat and a type of passion called thirst for righteousness, to learn what is most real and true and thus right by the Kingdom of God’s standards, not by human standards, and yes, the physical body thrives on it, the sensory. However, Jesus was clearly teaching mind over carnal/physical, mammalian-human mind/matter. This is the reason he updated Moses rules saying even that some of them were given as concession because of the hardness of their hearts. That was an expression for stubbornness to change (firm) and self grandising, a typical nature mammalian mindset predominantly, until taught there is a mindset that is greater evolutionarily as human is greater than animal and animal is greater than plant and plant is greater than mineral, all of which are to the creator crew, the real beings who occupy physical vehicles a matter of course.
I am not saying this on my own. I did not come up with all I’m saying. It is hard to open our heads into a non-spiritual thus more real world. It’s not that there doesn’t exist a spirit world. There certainly is and it’s a complicated yet, very simple place. It is simple in that it’s filled with dead humans and animals and possibly plant and mineral also have their electromagnetic charge that lingers for a time like an echo, of the denser physical matter structured with genetic database design. This is the frequency network we all exist within. What are we. Human biological computer systems with built in changing genetic code as everything we do and are has it’s form of record established, though perhaps some fluffs off when it’s insignificant to remain. In other words memory is layered according to a need to know basis. If it’s not called for, it doesn’t come up, though we have subconscious mind that calls for things and mostly that is actually stimulated by those invisible dead humans. These “influences” are equivilent to software that is self contained and kept alive by the planet’s electromagnetic field that the sun and in combo with other planets and the earth in a polarity kind of way keeps in operation.
The Kingdom of God is really a Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human but this had to be provided to this level of human in in clearer generic terms to see it, things Jesus was not equipt/prepared to do. His brain was a human brain and had it’s entire genetic memory of that vehicles heritage in it’s computer banks. His task was to override that programming at a given time and become clearly aware that his essense was seperate from that body and was not born on this planet but came from outer space, the heaven’s to perform a task for their commander, their admiral in the Kingdom, their king or chief, in a universe where there were chiefs of chiefs and one chief of chiefs that we are not capable or understanding as we are literally seeds that have sprouted, that is if we are seeking to know the highest truths that exist. We can easily get sidetracked to what are the highest truths as so many are doing by getting into history and looking at all the sycronisity and scientific coming up to speed with the reality of spirit that past generations of humans knew well existed and developed all sorts of groups around, with one of the biggest one’s the theosophers who came about as a result of the English (Brits) colonizing India’s Hindu/Buddhist culture with their Christianity.
There are many traps. The true seeker will be willing to look at everything and take from it what they feel are “good” characteristics and of course that could mean experimentation with their ideas and practices but the trap is, stopping our search. An example. Chritians by in large teach that there is no reincarnation so many christians who hear the term, shut off the mouthpiece talking about it or they hear the words but their mind goes into a spin that is moreorless saying over and over to itself, “this is the devil trying to pull me away from Jesus” or the equivilent. If it’s an atheist, it’s more like, “this is a wacco religionist genetic mutantion pawn of the rich and powerful leaders of the various churches/temples, etc.
Then yet another ploy when this doesn’t work is to embrace reincarnation so that all we say is, “when I come back in the next life I want to be a so and so” or “I wonder what I did in the last life to deserve my lot”, “Was I bad, a sinner, evil even”.
The trap is not in the examination of all this and even the practise. It’s in the ceasing to remain open to something more, frequently identified by feelign uncomfortable with certain talk/ideas. Thus some even many feel that and think, “that’s got a bad vibe” so it must be bad. Who is it bad for really? The dead humans that gravitate to humans to play their programs through. In other words the dead humans mostly don’t go anywhere because when they die they don’t know of anyplace to go so they simply hang around and automatically gravitate to being with those they were accustomed to being with before they died and enacting what they believed they would be to them when they died. Many act like a guardian angel, especially to those in their genetic family unit. My family who aren’t ordinarily spiritual feel my deceased dad somehow alerted someone to my brothers two kids falling into water by a boat dock in a stroller and sinking to the bottom and saved miraculously saved them.
I’d bet you have all sorts of stories, I believe Americans are by and large in denial of these sorts of observational determinations, largely because if you talked about such things you were banished from the community if you didn’t stop and even be put to death as a witch.
These things happend in Europe of course as well with the inquisition with the protestant reformation and the crusades to go against non-christians, a Luciferian trick to make those who believed in Jesus look evil and the opposite of Jesus thus Jesus must not be anything more than a myth, a made up story to commondeer humnans to give tithes and support and to even fight wars for the rich and powerful.
And that is actually true I believe except to not examine what Jesus said and did as possible is to filter out reality and history. Rather say it was a story alone. Doesn’t matter what proof you can offer, that was made up too, they say.
Thus the Luciferians turn the eyes of any seeker, but the ones that simply seek to have a relationship with the creators, as long as their desire is to know the creator better, who often are stimulated by miraculously escaping death somehow or witnessing that for some others who seemed to be god believers in their actions to others, not in their religiosity and spirituality display that Jesus talked against embrassing.
Part Four:
I would hope for others sake you will investigate all I am saying and go beyond me and now I will tell you about Ti and Do, where I got information, some understanding and perception of what took place 2000 years ago as I’ve been speaking about. I can trace my seeking, and asking big questions from about age 7, but then in a huge life changing way 1975 when I became 24 years old.
I had moved to the other side of the US from where my parents and family lived and raised me, from NY first to British Columbia, Canada, the mountains and a very harsh winter spent in a cabin with no facilities besides a creek near by and an outhouse and a wood cookstove and a wood stove for heat in a 15 by 12 foot cabin that you could see through some of the log walls and roof in spots.
But I was not meant to remain in this isolated from the world spot homesteading with my girlfriend so I was led to do something stupid thinking it would buy me time as an illegal immigrant to Canada and instead it ended up getting me apprehended and taken to jail and then to the Washington state border.
From there I made it as far as my gasoline could take me to Newport, Oregon on the Pacific where I dove into various new age spiritual seaches, like Parmahansa Yogananda and Sri Chin Moy and the Sufi’s and Hare Krishnas and various Jesus freaks Spiritualists, each of who I participated with to some degree and each of which felt unsatisfactory to me. It seemed they didn’t seem real enough to be, though I didn’t know that at the time.
Then there was a poster announcing a meeting. It talked about UFO’s and Two people who said they came from the Evolutionary Level Above Human and suggested that there was a physical existence beyond human that the way into was being offerred for those who were prepared to give their ALL.
That spoke to me. I wanted to see these two speak. I didn’t care about UFO’s nor knew much about them which is a funny story too. I had been raised a catholic and always felt a love for Jesus but couldn’t stand the church and the hypocricy I saw, in many of their acceptance of the vietname war and their insistance on studying for their tests to become confirmed. At 7 or so I asked my parents where babies come from and they were shocked and didn’t know how to answer and in their pausing I said, while shrugging, “well things don’t just happen”, thus my vehicle was primed to have a sense of reality that many don’t conceive of as logically. I belived that is genetically related but in combonation with an outside of me presence around me that was working for the Level Above Human invisibly to me.
I also was very drawn to movies like the “ten commandments” and “the greatest story ever told” and spartacus all in which people were willing to die for, give their lives to god faithfully. To me these movies demonstrated the ways of some very unselfish people who I thought were heros and special among humans and I definitely had this sense of wanting to do something or be somethng akin to them. As a late teenager I’d be at a booze party and I’d be off in the corner reading what Jesus said, no other parts of the bible but the red letters, saying my friends, “what does this mean and that…?”
So I was primed to want to give my all to something and it had to have a real aspect to it. I attended the meeting and two people dressed plainly in green windbreakers who looked in their 40’s and both had nearly identical haircuts, almost like a butch with bangs and a little over the ears and comfortable shoes. One was male and one was female. The male was shaven and after they sat on the stage looking at the packed house in Waldport, Oregon, where I was building a teepee shaped log house by my hands and was half way done, for maybe 3-4 minutes, the male spoke. He said his name was Bo and his partner beside him’s name went by Peep as in the english fairy tale of bo and peep who lost their sheep.
They went on to say that they had come from the Evolutionary Level Above Human, the same place Jesus spoke of as the Kingdom of God in the literal heavens. He said they were here to show us how to leave the human kingdom to become a member in what they shortened to Next Level, because of the way the human kingdom is a stepping stone to this Next Level, an Old Testement Idea. They said they were from the same Family that Jesus and His Father were from here to share the same truth while bringing updated information. They said that becoming a member in the Next Level was like a catepillar generating wings from within it’s cocoon/chrysalis and that the formula was to leave our old world behind entirely to put all one’s energy, mind, heart, soul, strength into making the transition to a new creature that would not be limited to the same environment catepillars are limited to. Upon birth into this Next Level one would actually work on board spacecrafts that contain members of the Next Level who had physical bodies.
This was 1975 and they had begun telling people this starting in earnest on 1/1/73 and stopped on on April 19, 1976 but whose students gathered during that time period continued with their last public meetings to mid June of 1976 because by July 4th 1976, the woman, Peep announced the “havest closed” which was perhaps exactly 3 1/2 years from starting out.
When they first started out, upon meeting, Peep being a nurse who worked with prematurly born babies and was an amateur astrologer and a Theosopher and Bo being a son of a presbyterian minister who dropped out of seminary saying they were too limited in their interpretations of scripture, who became a professional Choir director at St.Thomas’ in and for the Houstan Grand Opera, with names being, Bonnie Truesdale Nettles and Marshall Herf Applewhite.
They met in a hosptial while Bo was visiting a sick male friend and Bonnie was filling in for an absent nurse in this other ward. Bonnie, (Peep) felt she had an invisible guide she called, St. Francis and she felt very drawn to the story of St. Francis of Assissi. She would call on this person she called St. Francis to help her find a vein to administer an introvenius injection into and she always hit on first try and attributed it to St. Francis help guiding her aim.
Upon meeting in the sick patients room Bonnie asked Marshall what his astrological sign was. Bonnie then said that she did charts and at some point Marshall asked to have his chart done to which Bonnie didn’t commit. (Bo later told us that she never did someones chart unless they asked her three times and she didn’t tell them they had to ask three times). She wasn’t doing it for money so she wanted to be sure the person really wanted it.
They ran into one another again while Mashall was teaching singing to a group of young students and one of which was the daughter of Bonnie which got them talking again.
Marshall had been divorsed but Bonnie was still married and both grew up in Texas and met in Houston.
A Texas in spanish I researched is the captains cabin on a riverboat. Houston was where NASA was based.
After that Bonnie got in touch with Marshall and at first Marshall wondered if she was interested in him in a romantic way. He was not attracted to her. He had actually become attracted to males by then but also by then was fed up with all sexuality and relationships. He had not found someone he wanted to be with though he had tried to make relationships work.
Bonnie began to express to Marshall that she felt they had something they were to do together. Although he was wondering what her intentions were he too felt drawn to her in some way. They both growing up felt they had a close relationship with their Heavenly Father.
In the next month or so they felt to try to start an organization where they would explore all forms of thought. They held it in the basement of St. Thomas Cathedral/University where Mashall was Choir Director, Orchestra Conducter, singer, musician and actor in musical like Oklahoma as the lead, etc.
They were kicked out of there due to talking about things the church didn’t agree with so they set up another place they called KnowPlace and they had some regular attendees to different lectures and such. This is where they met, Nor Bu Chin a Tibetian Buddhist Monk/Healer. He would shock the evil spirits out of people with knives,coming at them as if to stab the patient but not doing so. Nor Bu Chin gave Marshall and Bonnie Sanskrit names but I forgot what they were. They told me and their other students this story.
Bonnie’s husband thought they were having an affair and threatened to do harm to Marshall so that they had a court order on the husband to not come close to Marshall, as Bonnie insisted their relationship was strictly plutonic (without sex of any kind). However, they were spending a great deal of time together and the husband had tried to harm Marshall once, the reason for the court order. Their families and friends were puzzelled by them. Each person they knew thought the other was misleading the other away from sanity and it got so intense to stay in Houston that they felt they had to made a clean brake to find out what it was that drew them together and where this strange information was coming from.
So they left all behind at midnight literally on 1/1/1973 and went to Bourne, Texas where they spent what they described as almost 6 painful weeks receiving information and yet not knowing how to believe it/take it in, digest it.
The first big chunk was that they had both come from outer space, what they knew was the literal heaven’s and that they were here to fulfill prophecy and bring updates to things in the Bible.
They believed that members of the Kingdom of God had physical bodies (as it also says in one of paul’s letters) and that they traveled in space in physical spacecrafts that in Bible depictions were cloaked/hiding behind cloud cover called Cloud of light, whirlwind of fire, etc. or today what would not be identifyable thus a UFO.
So they traveled toward California and then Oregon where they were living in a tent out of their car painting rocks to sell to tourists for food while continuing to seek to understand their task they felt they had to do.
It was in Gold Beach, Oregon, while they were trying to figure out who in the bible they were, while in a sense doing so feeling nutty because at that time there were all sorts of people saying they were the reincarnation of cleopatra, to which they thought, how many cleopatras can there be to have so many who say they are her reincarnation. So the thought of their saying they were some biblical figure made them queezy. However, they came to believe they were The Two Witnesses in Revelations Chapter 11. They then traveled more and tried to visit with popular preachers like Billy Graham to tell him who they felt they were.
They had an early student who gave them a credit card to use but this woman’s husband reported it stolen, which because they’d used it to rent a car, the car was considered stolen. They were back in south Texas and felt to try to tell their story to the press so they called and didn’t want to try to tell it over the phone as it was quite involved so asked for a meeting. This being Brownsville, Texas on the Mexican border, thus a big drug smuggling location, the report thought this was a tip for a drug bust, so he called the police. They came and Bonnie and Marshall, in a motel became freightened so tried to drive away and were apprehended by a number of cars and a helicopter with a loudspeaker and they were arrested and charge but Bonnie’s charge was dropped quickly while the husband dropped the charges but the St. Louis DA wanted to make points for election so decided to prosecute anyway.
They had rented the car in St. Louis, Missouri on the night the comet Kohotek was at perihelian and had been hyped to be the end of the world, though it wasn’t.
He had been in jail for 6 months before it came up to trial or he could plea and by pleading guilty his sentence would have been 6 months so to get out he took the plea. While in prison he wrote a statement he called Statement One. When he got out, Bonnie who had been working to pay for his lawyer, went to Ojai, California and began sending this Statement one out to some 90 people they considered to be spiritual leaders of some sort. One went to a meditation group leader in Los Angeles and this leader sent two of his students to meet with Marshall and Bonnie to check them out and reported back and so were invited to come speak to the larger group in L.A. and they did. This was in March of 1975.
Here is Statement One, much of which I have spoke about:
First Statement of Ti and Do, March 1975
Sent out from Ojai, California

What religions have sought to understand since the beginning
of their origin is what is above the human level of existence.
Most have taught that if an individual lives a “good life”
adoring some savior that he will inherit some “heaven” after his
death. Only if it were that simple. That viewpoint is as
inaccurate as the caterpillar believing that if he dies a good
caterpillar he will mysteriously awaken in a rose blossom and
live there forever with the King butterfly. He must become a
butterfly while a healthy caterpillar – overcoming his decaying
option. If he rises above all caterpillar ways, converts all his
energies to the pursuit of becoming literally another creature
who circulates in another world, he becomes a butterfly. Likewise
a human who seeks only to become a member of his next
evolutionary kingdom may become a member of that kingdom if he
completely overcomes all the aspects and influences of the human
level providing he has found favor with a member of that next
level who will direct him through his metamorphosis. As the
caterpillar, the human can complete this changeover only before
his death as a human. A member of the next kingdom finds favor
with one who is willing to endure all of the necessary growing
pains of weaning himself totally from his human condition.
Members of that next kingdom are no more confined to human
limitations than butterflies to caterpillar limitations. Nor do
they in like comparison concern themselves with human type
indulgences or concerns. However, if the human is thought of as
the larva of that next kingdom then there are, at times, those
who are approaching the completion of their individual
metamorphosis and are beginning to have some of the attributes
and characteristics of that next kingdom. When the metamorphosis
is complete their “perennial” and cyclic nature is ended for
their “new” body has overcome decay, disease and death. It has
converted over chemically, biologically, and in vibration to the
“new” creature.
Approximately 2,000 years ago an individual of that next
kingdom forfeited his body of that kingdom and entered a human
female’s womb, thereby incarnating as the one history refers to
as Jesus of Nazareth. He awakened to this fact gradually through
the same metamorphic process and came to know that he had
incarnated for the express purpose of telling and showing, even
to the point of proof, that the next kingdom can be entered by
overcoming the human aspects and literally converting into a
“man” or creature of that next kingdom – the kingdom of his
Father – one who is already a member of that kingdom. By His
resurrection He proved that death can be literally overcome and
that a permanent body for the next kingdom is acquired from the
human kingdom. He did not leave His body in the grave. He
converted it into His body of that next kingdom. This is the only
way the next kingdom is entered permanently. Each human has that
full potential. Jesus’ “Christing” or christening was completed
at His transfiguration (metamorphic completion) and He remained
in the “larva” environment, with other humans, only for some 40
days to show that His teaching had been accomplished. He showed
them His new body and demonstrated a few of its new attributes,
i.e., appearing and disappearing (changing His vibrations) before
their eyes while letting some of His friends touch His “new”
body. This could be compared to a butterfly remaining in the
caterpillar world for a few days to show them what they had to
look forward to if they chose to seek true conscious
communication with a butterfly and were willing to overcome all
of their caterpillar ways. Then Jesus left them in a cloud of
light (what humans refer to as UFO’s) and moves and returns in
the same manner.
There are two individuals here now who have also come from
that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon
demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent”
from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was
Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by
two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore
its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who
seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This
“re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The
two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime
doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible
so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state
(resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have
clearly understood the formula.
Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted
up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek
those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the
details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”
If this speaks to you – respond – according to your
capabilities or needs. For your sake – give this opportunity your
Section 2 – Page 2
This was the handout on my seat at the meeting with Bo and Peep I attended.
Back to the story…
At this meditation group meeting in L.A. a number of participants in this group were interested in this info, so asked these two to come back the next night and there were even more people there and as a result some of them said to them, “what do we do now”. Marshall and Bonnie were puzzelled by this question. They thought their job was to tell the info they were receiving, prophesizing as the Two Witnesses. They hadn’t thought such could result in students. The one person who stayed in touch with them, wasn’t travelign with them. It was just them. 12 members of that group wanted to follow along with them. Among them were working actors, computer programmers, Technical writer, a successful rancher, a film editor who worked for a director in Stanley Kubicks office, to name some of the walks of life these new students came from. They were men and woman with an age range of about 20 something to 50 something. So Marshall and Bonnie, said, to each who wanted to follow with them to learn more, to tie up their lives quickly and meet at a camping area near there which they did. And because of this response they decided to schedule more meetings. The students held one at Canada College in San Francisco and then Marshall and Bonnie, then introduced to newcomers as Bo and Peep spoke at meeting two at Stanford University. There were so many people at that Stanford meeting in a hall that sat about 500 that they scheduled a second meeting back to back with the first. As a result another six or so joined them. Next they headed to Oregon and postered the town Newport where I was spending most of my time with my musical band and that’s where I saw the poster for the Waldport meeting.
In the meeting they basically went over the statement we had read. I knew this was for me. I had no question. My girlfriend felt the same way, though we knew this would mean breaking up.
There was a strange midst that started slight but by meetings end was like a fog hanging over the whole room. (I would have passed that off as someone smoking though did’t think that, but then saw the same haze around Bo and Peeps heads and whole bodies and thick around the stage, shimmering in the lowish lighting and then saw the same thing in the next Meeting they gave that I attended as one of their students in Arapahoe community college near Denver, Colorado.
As it turned out some 27 people from the Waldport meeting or 200+ people decided to join them. I remember telling my friends in Newport that I felt like “I sat before the equivilent of Jesus”. As it turns out, Bo felt in travelign with Peep for those nearly 3 years that Peep was much wiser than he. He realized that she was actually his Older Member from the Next Level. In other words she was his Heavenly Father. She never told him this. He figured it out. She knew that He was the same Soul who 2000 yrs ago took the body named Jesus and before that Elijah, and before that Moses and before that Enoch and before that Adam.
Because two who attended the Waldport meeting and wanted to join had two young children, they arranged for the children to be with their nearby real dad and he accepted but my girlfriends younger sister who was very distraught that we were joining this seen as crazy group that she went to the police and said children were being abandoned, something Bo and Peep said later they never would have authorized. Students were helping new students so Bo and Peep were never kept informed about a lot and everything happened so fast.
The police had no evidence of abandonment but that’s all it took to start an investigation by a nearby journalist. We all left town and there was a lot happening in Newport surrounding all those who were leaving to join. The media starting reporting these spontaneous dissappearances by so many and Bo and Peep were called the Mysterious Two (that a movie was made about).
The group regrouped in the Colorado area to begin new meetings. We held 6 simultaneous meetings in Colorado from Ft. Collins in the north to Colorado Springs in the south and as a result the numbers nearly doubled and the group was at about 70 from all that and Bo and Peep had us travel to Chicago to regroup to do meetings there but the news broke.
Walter Cronkite came on national news to annouce that the mystery of who these two were was no longer a mystery and gave their names and included Do’s felony conviction. Bo and Peep were in Las Vegas at the time (spiritual sodom) and felt like they were discredited and that there was no use to keep going. They felt literally “shot down” and it was done on the national news, the “commons” for the country. This was not an isolated short lived story. Every magazine and newspaper in the U.S. carried a number of articles about the UFO Two, aka The Two, or The Mysterious Two. Movies were made, though grade B,but with popular actors – John Forsycth for instance and the New York Times did a full page picture of Bo and Peep on their magazine section and an extensive interview with them, while Brad Steiger a popular sci-fi writer co-authored a book entitled, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinair”. They were sought after by the FBI thinking that this “cult” might be responsible for the rash of cattle mutilations in colorado, Texas and Oklahoma. They figured we were a satanic cult so perhaps we were doing some rituals with the cow parts. We had nothing to do with anything like that whatsoever. I was there. I know what took place. So it was an international story at the time though mostly in the U.S.
After 3 days, Bo and Peep decided they had to press on. After all they now had some 70 students who were all tenting in the forest north of Chicago. They realized that they were discredited long before the felony record by saying they’d come from outer space to fulfill the Two Witnesses prophecy and more. They knew we could not stay as one large group as now millions in the country would have seen their faces on television and they would at that point be criminalized and they didn’t feel their task was over so they were not going to let themselves be captured as Jesus had instructions from his Father to do. So they formed us into about 6 groups and sent us in different directions to hold public meetings and bring this new information to all the churches and spiritual groups we could. We had the publicity from the Waldport meeting news that automatically generated public interest in the story nation wide so I would walk into a news room and they could write an article and put it in the paper to advertise a talk.
Then on April 19th 1976 Peep announced the harvest is over and we stopped giving meetings and they told us to gather in Wyoming, very near where the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind staged the ET mothercrafts landing (devils tower it was called). Bo and Peep thought they would be literally killed physically as the words in Rev. 11 suggest, though can be interpreted to not include literal physical death. Bo and Peep had told us that they didn’t feel we their students were ready for them to exit. They said we still had alot to learn. We had to take control over our human desires and put them behind us. We had all left family and jobs and careers and forms of entertainment and possessions and various spiritual practices and relationships, marriages and in some cases children, but except for ron and judy’s young kids, the other kids were fairly grown. I didn’t have children then. It was relatively easy for me to leave though I did leave behind my musical instruments that I loved and somewhat defined me.
It would be 10 more years until we began to once again consider interfacing our information to the public again. We remained hidden, cloistered in our tiny cult that in the first year of traveling around added up to about 96 (a number I seem to remember, but could be wrong about exactly but are it’s within a couple give or take). At first there were people coming and going with us as we did meetings, mostly in libraries and university’s and hotels and I recall one in a park in Berkley, CA dated Oct. 31, 1976. And some of us became scattered soon after joining, traveling by whatever method, by thumb a lot, giving talks everywhere we went, but making a point to go to churchs. We ran out of money so went town to town asking whoever we felt led to ask to help us with food, gas and lodging, though we were outfitted by Bo and Peep with sleeping bags, propane stoves, cotts, and a two person tent where we could stand up inside. We didn’t force people to hear the Bo and Peep message. We usually said something to the affect of, “We are traveling the country bringing new information about the Kingdom of God/Heaven to all who want to hear it”. Sometimes a catholic priest or reverend in a church did want to know the information and we’d give them some of what Ti and Do had given to us and wait for their further questions and stay as long as they wanted to talk. Sometimes we’d be in a preachers home with their family and they wouldn’t ask so we wouldn’t impose. (I’m not saying there would have been anythign wrong with standing on the corner telling about Bo and Peep but Bo and Peep didn’t get that specific when they sent us out in twos again.
Part Five: The Overcoming/Conquering of human mammalian “mammon” attachements, habits and ways
When we joined we were required to leave all behind including family friends, possessions (though they didn’t turn away what we wanted to throw in the kitty), but all they told us to try to bring were sleeping bags and any camping gear and a car if we had one since they were living on the road bringing the information to the U.S. and Canada. My girlfriend whom I’d been living with for 5 years, who also joined at that same time (who I ceased having any relationship with).
Later we realized that was a direct form of being pulled out of the world (raptured, in a sense we captured the human physical vehicles, one of which is talking to you now, they compared to horses), out of the human world, no longer participating in all the human activities and putting our trust in these Two. Note: The Luciferians had all along and at that time were intensily stimulating facsimili “cult” leaders some of which were called Jesus freaks who in that case traveled around by walking everywhere barefoot or with a stick and wore robes. In other words they were taking it to a unrealistic level. Bo and Peep were practical and common sense had a lot to do with their decisions but they sought help from their Older Member(Father) who they never actually saw with their eyes.
So we had all arrived to Veedavou rustic camping area (no facilities) in Medicine Bow National Forest just east of Laramie, Wyoming on July 4th (could be off a day either way and I wasn’t privey to know when the 6 groups all arrived as Bo and Peep sent us to different areas 1/4 mile to 1/2 mile between camps and they had a camp with 3 partnerships they traveled in coordination with, in seperate cars, but who served as their “helpers”.
Bo and Peep laid down some of the rules they hadn’t actually spelt out before but most of us seemed to know while some didn’t because they were still doing such things as having sex and smoking marijuana. It was follow the rules or leave. Bo and Peep proceeded to give us lessons on how to literally detache ourselves from all our human thinking and ways. I’ve outlined some of this on my channel: But to illusrtate one of many ways this group or cult was far different than all the others. We left all behind. Children were not allowed, there was no sexuality nor drinking or smoking or other such habits, hair was cut short for both men and women and we were all clean shaven and dressed modestly. You can see various video’s created by the group in 1997 (before they left) on youtube as many of the students made farewell video’s then. When winter started setting into Wyoming, Bo and Peep had us pack up and leave and head south, in a snow storm actually and we headed to Utah, just south of Salt Lake City in the foothills of a rocky mountain range but there was a change. They sent 19 of the student body to one area in the national forest to set up camp and the rest to different area a couple miles away from the other. Bo and Peep came to the larger camp where I was and told us “you made the first cut”. What other “cult” leaders do that. Send followers away. Bo and Peep told us that these 19 were not as ready as the rest of us, but that there will probably be more cuts (and there were but never in that size group). As it ended up, two of these found us again some 5 years later while it had been years with no contact with them. They showed durable diligence and stamina and they took the names Stamina and Durable.
It would take days to describe all that occurred but Bo and Peep soon changed their names to Ti and Do. Before that they had introduced us to the tone A, (~440 hz). They gave hearing that tone through a tuning fork that I believe was to help us have something to tune into when we are attacked by discarnate “influences” (evil spirits, because they wanted us to reengage all our human ways and ties).
When we came out of our hiding cloistering in our cocooned environment, as Ti and Do set up everything like a spacecraft. After about 3 1/2 years living outdoors we moved into houses in neighborhoods and some got jobs. We had become reduced to about 46-48 students by then.
The functions of living in a house were divided into department Ti and Do called Labs, short for laboratories. There was the Nutri-lab where we prepared “fuel” to “consume” so our vehicles(body) would have health and good positive energy to be servicible crew members with. There was the fiber lab where clothing was washed. There was Central, where some helped with administrative tasks. There was “vital Signs” who were in charge of our small fleet of cars. We were in suburbs of Denver and other big cities where we had to hide our numbers as otherwise we’d raise suspicions among neighbors and would have to leave, plus we were forever being hunted by investigators sent out from families of the membership. (Ti and Do did send us to visit our vehicle’s families in 1985 and again in 1987 for a weekend each). Ti left her body in 1985. She said she had come to “get Do started”.
Starting on March 24th of 1997 the remaining members of the group who had been at it’s lowest at 23 or 24 or 25, who then called themselves Heaven’s Gate on the internet site they had and is still up: , they with lots of planning and soul searching for years and anticipating exiting their vehicles somehow, drank a mixture with strong barbituates in it to put their vehicles to sleep in a public way, in part to gain worldwide attention, which it certainly did. They went down in history as the Heaven’s Gate suicide cult, but for them it wasn’t suicide as they were simply shedding their human skin. This was their choice and they were all ready for it or Do would not have let them do it. I know that by many proves but the biggest one was that I wanted to lay down my life and knew about the tentative plan to do so before I left in September of 1994 after we’d finished a 9 1/2 month second public offerring of the information.
It’s a very long story and I suggest if aspects speak to you at all, (though lots to digest here so take your time). The choice is being provided now to decide whether or not to believe in Ti and Do and their mission or believe in things on the human level or believe in nothng is part of the human level as if we aren’t given this chance then we dont’ really know any better so just follow our mammalian fate.
If this makes a lot of sense, despite parts that don’t, seek the answers. Talk to Ti and Do (by those names and they will let you know they hear you, but it won’t be like by a vision or something dramatic like that or like happened to Paul of Tarsus that was a Luciferian who blinded him I can show evidence of.
The only required task at this time given to all who come to believe in Ti and Do is to disseminate the information they brought which is largely available in the book they wrote that is free to cut and paste but that the “believers” who run the web site also offer for sale. The book has nothing you can’t get by cut and paste and it has a common copyright…anyone can copy it in it’s entirety as long as they don’t sell copies.
The reward for helping them is having your soul saved for the next phase in the overall overcoming humanness classroom which will start some time after the planet undergoes and face change so that all the civilization development we are aware of will no longer be apparant and a new crop of luciferians will be saved as well to offer growth opportunities to those souls saved. Do called it being “put on ice” which is not literal.
If you search the net for “Ti and Do” or Heavens Gate, or Sawyer with any of these you will get a bunch of materials. I have also spoken to many scriptures on my youtube channel. I don’t have the time to go line by line with INRI’s discourse as evidenced below. If there is anything specific one wants to see what Ti and Do said about, let me know at: sawyerhg . I am out of the picture at this point unless you want to converse with me which I am always open to.
INRI References:
Article by INRI:
Physical resurrection of Christ? The dogma without mask
The truth about Christ’s resurrection
Christ’s physical ascension to heaven is a dogmatic snare, the stumbling stone of Christianity
“Humanity has been equivocally taught for centuries that, after my crucifixion, I resurrected in flesh and bone and physically ascended to heaven. It is absurd, a delirium, for besides mocking logic and science, it is against the eternal and natural law that GOD established at the time of Adam (“You are dust, from dust you were taken and to dust shall return” – Genesis 3:19). Actually, I resurrected in spirit and appeared to people in spirit; that was the real resurrection. Therefore, it is now necessary to clearly distinguish between resurrection, resuscitation and reincarnation.
Resuscitation means returning to physical life, reassuming the body that was apparently dead, what is named catalepsy by doctors. A person that seemed to be dead and lives again resuscitated. It was the case of Lazarus and Jairus’s daughter two thousand years ago. I had said that both were only sleeping (John 11:11 and Mark 5:39). Lazarus had already been inside the sepulcher for three days, evidently expelling an unpleasant smell for lack of hygiene; when I called him he came to meet me (John c.11 v.1 to 46). Jairus’s daughter also resuscitated when I spoke in a loud voice: “Arise!” (Mark c.5 v.41). In the present time, my FATHER, LORD and GOD, has also worked well known miracles through my hands; the crippled walked, the blind saw, the deaf heard.
Reincarnation is being physically reborn, gathering a virgin body from a woman’s womb. Ignorant people, spiritual orphans, say that reincarnation is an exclusive term for spiritualists. Actually reincarnation means physical rebirth, returning to flesh, and spiritualists are all those who believe in the existence of spirit. Reincarnation belongs in the context of divine law and appears many times in the Holy Scriptures. As an example, when the angel, talking about the birth of John the Baptist (Luke c.1 v.13 to 17), announces that he would come with “the spirit and power of Elias”, he is asserting that John the Baptist was the prophet Elias reincarnated. When I was called Jesus, I confirmed the fact by saying: “If you will receive it, he is Elias that was for to come” (Matthew c.11 v.13 to 15), as in the Scriptures it had been predicted that before the Messiah should come Elias (Malachi c.4 v.5). I said to Nicodemus: “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of GOD…” (John c.3 v.1 to 3), as his head was full of fantasies; in this case, only being born again he would have the chance of comprehending the mysteries of the divine law. I also told the disciples, at the last supper, that I would not drink of the fruit of vine until that day when I would drink it new with them in the kingdom of GOD (Matthew c.26 v.29 – Mark c.14 v.25). Since the spirit without the physical body obviously does not drink wine, I could only drink it again when reincarnated, being born again. Having cured one blind from birth, the disciples asked: “Master, who did sin, this man or his parents, so that he was born blind?” (John c.9 v.2). Could a sin be the cause for blindness of a man born blind, except if he had infringed the divine law in a previous incarnation? In the Old Testament, in the account of the seven Maccabees brothers and their mother’s martyrdom, when they were tortured, one of them said: “From GOD I received these limbs, but now I despise them for defense of His laws; and from Him I hope to get them back again” (II Maccabees c.7 v.11). There, it is clear that he was talking about reincarnation. By the way, it is the only logical explanation of inequality between people. I returned to Earth, as had promised, by reincarnation. I that speak to you am the First Begotten of GOD, Adam, who reincarnated as Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, etc., afterwards as Jesus and now as INRI. INRI is my new name (Revelation c.3 v.12), the name that Pilate wrote above my head when I agonized on the cross, when they spat on my face, when they humiliated me, when Scriptures were fulfilled. The law of reincarnation is not only explicit in the Bible but also was taught as Christian doctrine until the VI century (year 543), when emperor Justinian – obedient to his not so illustrious, but domineering wife, Theodora – abolished it.
Resurrection happens when the spirit of a person who disincarnated appears to one or more people, but rarely to all. The silhouette that appears generally corresponds to the last image that the disincarnate person had left in the collective unconsciousness before transcending to the cosmic realm. When I appeared to Thomas (although the doors of the house were shut), on showing him the marks of crucifixion, saying: “Reach here your finger and behold my hands” (John c.20 v.27), had he tried to touch the injuries, would have probed air, as only my spirit was there. Thomas did not see the image by normal light rays reflected on his retinas. He saw my spirit with the spiritual eye; the image was formed in his mind, in his psyche, as in a vision. Others present possibly did not see what he saw. It would be simply inconceivable for a cellular constituted body to overrule the laws of Physics and pass through the walls of a room.
People were erroneously taught by the divine cause traitors to believe that I resurrected in bone and flesh and, in such state, went to heaven. The physical resurrection is a theological and scientific mistake. When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire, many rituals and beliefs of the established Paganism were embodied to the new religion aiming to convert the pagans; one of the beliefs was the physical resurrection of the “gods” (like Horus and Osiris, that would have physically resurrected according to the legend). Thus, the physical resurrection is a myth that became that became the main dogma of Catholicism. How could I have gone ‘to heaven’ in bone and flesh if in sidereal space there is neither air to breath nor nutrition to support one’s body, and temperatures border on -273ºC, absolute zero? Apart from this, I would have ascended naked, as the roman soldiers had cast lots for my garments among themselves (John c.19 v.23 and 24). Actually, while roman soldiers slept (Matthew c.28 v.13), GOD inspired faithful servants to gather my body (Matthew c.27 v.55; Mark c.15 v.40; Luke c.23 v.49), cover it with a new sheet and hide it in an anonymous sepulcher, to finish the outrages display of derision and debauchery that continued, even after my crucifixion and consequent disembodiment. After this event, I reappeared in spirit only, and for this reason, I went into houses with doors shut (John c.20 v.19 and 26) or incorporated in another’s body.
On the way to Emmaus, two disciples were talking to a stranger about my crucifixion and did not see that, in reality, it was I who was walking with them. At the end of the day, they invited the man to have supper; but only at the time of breaking bread, by my peculiar way, they identified me (“On that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. While they were talking and discussing, Jesus himself came near and went with them, but their eyes were kept from recognizing him. And he said to them: What are you discussing with each other while you walk along?” They stood still, looking sad. Then one of them, whose name was Cleophas, answered him: “Are you the only stranger in Jerusalem who does not know the things that have taken place there in these days?” … As they came near the village to which they were going, he walked ahead as if he were going on. But they urged him strongly, saying: “Stay with us, because it is almost evening and the day is now early over”. So he went in to stay with them. When he was at the table with them, he took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them. Then their eyes were opened, and they recognized him; and he vanished from their sight… That same hour they got up and returned to Jerusalem; and they found the eleven and their companions gathered together. They were saying: “The Lord has risen indeed, and he has appeared to Simon!” Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he had been made known to them in the breaking of the bread” – Luke c.24 v.13 to 35).
Now I ask you, my children: after the disciples lived with me for so long, wouldn’t they have recognized me had I been using the same body I had before crucifixion, even because the injuries would be evident? It is obvious that they would have recognized me, but it did not happen because I was using another’s body. Only at the time of breaking bread did I manifest myself to them; then by my unmistakable gesture they became aware of my presence.
The same happened to Mary Magdalene when she went to see the sepulcher the day after my crucifixion. Supposing that I was the gardener, only after asking about me did she realize my presence, as I was incorporated in the gardener, using his carnal body to talk to her; otherwise, was it my own body, she would have recognized me immediately, even because my silhouette is not ordinary, nor without charisma (“…When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” Supposing him to be the gardener, she said to him: “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus said to her: “Mary!” She turned and said to him in Hebrew: Rabbouni! ” – John c.20 v.14 and 16).
Now you can understand, my children, what really happened two thousand years ago. I spiritually resurrected and appeared to people; my physical body was given back to mother earth. Keeping my promise, I am back by the natural law of reincarnation, gathering my physical body from a woman’s womb.
My FATHER sent me again with the same shape and silhouette that I had before crucifixion, as you may see in the Shroud. Nevertheless, before the Son of Man’s glory day the prophecy is fulfilled: “First must the he suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. As it was in the times of Noah, so too it will be when the Son of Man comes” (Luke c.17 v.25 to 35).
Two thousand years ago, when I mentioned that in LORD’s glory day the Son of Man would come upon the clouds of heaven, at that time it was very difficult for people even to imagine that someday GOD would inspire the human beings to build things such as the airplane and the television. These magnificent machines will provide the fulfillment of my mission in agreement to the prophecies of Apocalypse, according to which in LORD’s glory day I should come over the clouds and every eye shall see me. Yet before crucifixion GOD had shown me such things, but only now it is possible to give the full explanation, so you may avoid the path of delirium, lie and fanaticism. They belong to the pharisees that imagined I would fly like a bird with some lights flashing around me. For those that ratiocinate within logic and coherence, in order to gather my children from all parts of Earth’s dimension, I will obviously travel throughout the world by airplane, this ingenious invention unimaginable to human minds of those ancient times, but naturally previsible to GOD’s supreme consciousness, the same that inspired scientists to build these magnificent flying machines precisely in the century of my reincarnation. Furthermore, all mankind will unavoidably contemplate my manifestation through television and internet (“Behold that he comes over the clouds and every eye shall see him” – Apocalypse c.1 v.7).
Coherence, logic and truth are inseparable. The wise meditate with discernment.”
SOUST – A mystical and philosophical school SOUST is a Mystical and Philosophical School where the Perpetual Regent Mentor, INRI CRISTO, teaches the human beings to live harmoniously in symbiosis with GOD, coherent with what he said two thousand years ago and his words are worth forever: “But strive first for the Kingdom of GOD and his righteousness, and all other things will be given to you as well” (Matthew c.6 v.33).

More comment exchange on Think Atheist about Ti Do Jesus and Evolution

January 9, 2012

Heather said:
The biggest difference between instincts and scientific determinations is that scientific determinations are written down and then scrutinized whereas instincts are most often kept private until after the fact so they can avoid scrutiny.
As per your ‘examples’, why not just provide a link so we can discuss one of them? The only thing I’ve made up my mind about is demanding verifiable evidence before I’ll entertain extraordinary claims. Your cult leaders were like many others who killed themselves and convinced others to do so with them – nothing unique in that at all.
I’ll tell you what – please send me a link to your Youtube channel so I can paste your end of world prediction next year so that everyone can see you are just another doomsdayer looking for attention.
You can stop blathering on about the evidence that you don’t have. I asked you to provide it in my first message to you and all you’ve done is spew the rhetorical gymnastics of any typical devotee trying to avoid admitting that you have nothing.
Sawyer said:
And regarding Do and students laying down their lives, your saying many have done that, unless I am misreading you, I suppose you are referring to anyone who commits suicide and/or the Jim Jones and Solar Temple ppeople, but to compare these and think they are the same because there was some degree of otherworldliness consideration to their retorick and they died and seemingly by their own hands shows you know little to nothing about these situations. Do you know that there is evidence that many or most were actually forced by gunpoint to drink the poisoned kool aid in the jim jones case and there were children in both their camps and the solar temple people in Quebec and France and some were forced there as well. It wasn’t presumed forcing. There were ones who survived both who testified how they were cohersed and forced and there are tapes of jim jones yelling at his followers to do it while his body guards with rifles were standing there with guns aimed on the people and some hunted down those who tried to escape into the woods. And in the Jim jones case there were zero indications he had anything to say that remotely coincided with what Jesus said, which can be said of most christians as well. Now with Do and the 38 + 3 students, it was very, very well documented by video tapes of those students that wanted to express themselves. Though there were many x-members and some who didn’t believe none had anything to say against Ti and Do. No abuse, no cohersion at all. We were always free to leave.Do Do offerred us $1000 to leave at one point since it becamse a very, very comfortable life style. I have testimony to all of it. So if you are really a reasonable minded person wouldn’t you want to ask some questions before you jump on the condemnation bandwagon?
Oh, there is lots more but here’s an important distinction: Ti and Do would not allow children or minors to join them. They said that this kind of decision to join and this was before they knew that they would exit their task by their own hand, because it was from the beginning exactly as 2000 years ago in that it was a detachment from our human roots and behaviors to evolutionarily make application to an Evolutionary Level Above Human, where there are physical beings who have physical bodies that they can grow on a vine the way humans grow tomatoes, but that live on a type of photosynthesis whereby their “mind” is grown to actually have more power by a type of metamorphosis in the human vehicle becoming the chrysalis, to build the strength of the mind to a degree that could provide the power supply to one of these non-mammalian vehicles. They are not space aliens as some think though. There is lots more on this and they were talking like this in the early 1970’s before star trek though they didn’t know all they knew all at once. They gradually pulled the new information into their human brains so to only be a step ahead of their student body because otherwise the human brain can have some adverse responses when reality comes into question. In the past this metamorphic process was called “conquering our carnal nature” as we see repeated in many cultures because this is always what they, the gardeners require to graduate into their environment and Family. But children can’t make such a decision. Now there is a ton more to say on all this but perhaps you have no interest so until you care to converse on this or something else, I will consider that I attempted to offer my experience to some of you here on think atheist. But on a closing note. The Level Above Human doesn’t need new members. They don’t need nor want anything from humans. They can grow humans on many planets in the Universe. Nor do they want robots. However they do have something to offer and they know it’s very, very special but that few will seek it out, though they would be glad if it was many. It looks to us that those who laid down their lives were naive and/or nuts or needy but looks are deceiving. But because They don’t need us, it’s up to us to prove to them we can be trusted, so we have to be willing to give our total self to them eventually. That’s not the standard now. As after the one called Jesus, belief alone in Ti and Do gets your soul pocket/container “put on ice” (not literally) to be brought back for the next opportunity. Thus there is no one on earth to believe in, no one to cow tow to, no one to impress, no one to trust, no books to by as all the info Ti and Do left behind is free, no organization to subscribe to, no need to visit my sites or to tell me you believe or don’t and until we each die we can choose to petition Ti and Do in secret (in our closet so to speak) to ask their help and to know their will for us, who want to become their students. So if you really want PROOF, give it a shot. Ask Ti and Do to show you some proof they are real and are who They said they were – the promised return of FAther and Son, the woman being the one called the Father and the Son being the same Soul who played the the role of Jesus. And they never ranted and raved or raised their voice or treated any of us poorly. There is a reason they made world headlines for months on two occasions. They were clearly above and beyond human in every way, but you can’t know that unless you take a good look to see.

Occupy movement and pale/green horse in Revelations chapter 6 Prophecy

January 9, 2012

Some comments about Occupy movement and the green/pale green horse in Revelations chapter 6 Prophecy

Yes there have been occupy demonstrations in Vermont and some from Vermont have gone to NYC too and sure I agree it’s doing about all they can do, short of illegal things, to have some voice and sense of like minded community in a world that is becoming so inundated with games and illusions and profiteering on top of anyone who stands in the way in some way, even just being around. I continue to wonder about that rev 6 prohecy concerning the 4 horseman and the 4th horse, said to be Pale but the greek really meaning Green or possibly yellow(pale) green, indicating a new upstart. So many things are thought of as green. Money, “TEA” as in Tea party, the pale being the new shoot of the plant part as they are on the political areana. Then there is the Green Party first popularized in Germany where I’d say is one big seat of some Luciferian styled (active rebels to Next Level) – space aliens, with the way they embody the New Agers – the forward thinkers surrounding preservation of the environment, even to the point of legislation to prohibat certain behaviors that in some ways I believe is certainly a good thing, but like so much, has been turned into a political band wagon to profit from and divert attention away from the Next Level (as always is done) to give the appearance, because they largely dont’ know any better, that humans created the global warming and thus can fix it. I’m sure that even though humans may be adding to it, when the Next Level wants to recycle, they don’t wait for the humans to develop the use of fuels that will escalate it. They simply turn up the heat from the sun which may be as seemingly simple to us, not knowing the details, as sending some sort of programmed projectile into the sun or they do it with frequencies or something.

And I watch the names (like Palin) and ethnicity (green irish, like mccain) and religion like catholic = “green”. And the facts are that all these things all have degrees of truth to them, in terms of who is most leading the most humans to date around the world. But perhaps the biggest aspect of green, besides the money mongers (because of how money buys agenda in gov’t without concensus – they can pay people to do the work, rather than motivate them idealistically), is the way the US military, marines are largely in uniforms that are green and brown, the camoflauge – in other words how we can probably expect to see, though we already have, military patrolling the streets in major US cities because of unrest and crime in the streets. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see very harsh treatment first of those of arab decent, but virtually any dissident as was the case in the mccarthy era in the US to some degree that was significant. I wonder if that was held back from growing worse then, to allow the classroom to exist as the classroom when giving meetings would have certainly seemed fringe and dissident even though we were never political or especially social.
The bottom line in all that green talk is that it doesn’t matter if it fulfills prophecy in some blatent way. The White horse was in my opinion clearly Do as the rider, and the red clearly the republican coop de tat in 2000 that began in earnest with reagan and illegally came to office by supreme courty decree in the Bush doctrine and the 9/11 “shaking” and “wounded” but recovered “beast”of Rev., and Obama clearly in place re: financial matters as prohesized. I doubt many will be convinced to look at Ti and Do based on what I am saying is fulfillment of those prophecies but then I could be wrong about that so I press on to examine it and project my opinions of what it may mean, which figures most seem to represent the figures in those prophecies.

sawyer’s Comments on Think Atheist bible reading group about Ti Do, anti-Jesus Christians

January 9, 2012

Heather added a comment to your profile on Think Atheist
So you just spammed all members of Atheist bible readers with your abduction claim -> without having the courtesy to spell out, in the least, what you were saying. So, point blank, I ask that you lay out your evidence or accept now that I view your experience as something for which you need medication.
At 2:58am on January 8, 2012, Sawyer Childs said:
What is your criteria for “evidence”? Before there was “science” as the doctine of a sub-culture, humans knew most of the laws of physics pertaining to what was unseen as in gravity, what goes up comes down, the power in wind, airflight in the birds, requirements for healthy life on all evolutionary strata fuel in sunlight, water, elements, that unseen stuff, air & environmental security all of which were somehow just here and in precise proportions. Genetically those same humans who in their ancestry thought about such things came to not be surprised when tangible evidence (from experimentation (the results of with thought to be absolutes)) showed up the naysayers who always stuck to their guns (the absolutes of times past) against what others somehow had this sense of knowing. At this time, we see scientists world wide puzzelled though most will deny while religionists, spiritualists, paranormalists, pagans and the list goes on, well the same story really. Most everyone is quick to say what’s not real or not true if they even pay mind to anything that’s going on around them.
Who among us does not need medication of some sort, be it some substance or love or sense of being special and needed.
Your are right. If spamming is contacting a group with an agenda, I am guilty though my agenda is abnormal. It’s not monetary, not narsacistic though I am aware I can at times be overly pleased with myself, what I count as a weekness because of how it promotes delusion. I am fishing but I’ve succeeded by throwing out the bait. I was caught myself at one time but was thrown back as too young, but I was looking to be caught, though I was very particular of which bait I was willing to comit to consuming as I would expect you must be or you’ve already made up your mind to not touch much if at all.
I’m not normally so cryptic and I know I’m not witty but the evidence is from two people who went crazy together, a Female and a Male, who have since passed, yet remain, who stand out among everyone else, hated with a passion or avoided like the plague, lied about, cried about, laughed about, con-spiri-tized and for a tiny few, considered and a tiny few more believed and their message was out of this world and clearly beyond the human evolutional kingdom.
The names they last used and are active labels to use now should anyone get an inkling to experiment are Ti and Do, yes like the song notes!
Heather added a comment to your profile on Think Atheist:
Our instincts about how things work are almost always wrong and science has been able to prove this time and time again; so, before science, people really didn’t have a clue how things worked. Our instincts about gravity are wrong, as our our instincts about how birds fly, etc.
Evidence is something that can be measured independently by different people. Regardless of who does the measurements, if they follow the same procedures they will arrive at the same results.
I am fully aware who the leaders of your cult were, and how they killed themselves. I’m also aware that they were able to convince others to join them. Now they are dead, and you can claim as you like but there is no evidence to the contrary.
Sawyer Childs responded:
I only brought up the observations of flying, etc. to demonstrate the evidence of what is possible we have been provided by no effort of our own. Instincts certainly can be flawed and so can various scientifically determinations. For instance how do scientists account for seeing objects in space in orbit about one another when the orbiting objects are much, much larger t han the object seemingly being orbited around? And how do scientists explain witnessing an object that appears tiny seeming to go into the sun and coming out the other side without being drawn into considering that the sun is holding the entire solar system in orbit from a vast distance and if such object is considered to be a comet as one report suggested, and these are from a JPL/Nasa site, and they say a comet is made of rock and ice, how is it that it could survive the suns heat? Then there is recent evidence on two fronts that light isnt’ the fastest something can move. And gravity is of late in question s to whether it’s a force pushing down on us or a force field from within or both. My intuition is that it’s both. I am an atheist when it comes to Religius depictions of what is Above HUman as it’s at this time in particular full of holes, yet the holes I see I’ll wager would not be ones others see. YOu seem to have made up your mind about a bunch of things and that’s really fine with me. As I’ve said, I have no personal interest in proving anything to anyone but I guarantee if anyone does take the time to look at Ti and Do they will know one thing for sure. They were unlike anyone else and they were clearly operating outside the human norm so of course would be considered crazy. And as for their students. I was one for 19 years and yet though from the start I knew I’d be giving my life, even literally, I was seen by Ti, (the woman) as needing more lessons and so circumstances came about that I decided to leave, a long story I have posted on my youtube channel name: 3spm , in case anyone cares to examine that. I am quite used to being ridiculed yet it still does pain me some but if anyone had been in my shoes since I was 13 or so and first began to have experiences with the “unseen” world, rebelling from the catholic church, blah, blah, blah to receiving visits in dreams from Ti, then Do, then some fellow students who were all physically deceased where they have told me stuff and some fo it predictions that seem to have come true and the years of getting to know these two amazing people first hand and seeing how they knew stuff way before science yet were not scientitsts (though that’s not what drew me to them), well all I can say is that it’s mindblowing.
Christians are among my greatest oppoents though I can easily shoot down virtually every one of their limited viewpoints. It’s not that it’s all wrong, waht they think, it’s that there is a great deal MORE and I say that to atheists who I respect for discarding religion, while see so many also reject common sense with it. Adn those that are new age spiritualists are in many ways most primed to be seekers of what more t here is, yet most fear looking and especially when they have found a comfort zone. I know for a fact that humans have only barely scratched the surface of all that will be revealed in the next months, however many there are before the planet’s surface is recyled to allow for a new planting. It really is just that objective, yet I don’t say this with the fearfullness many expect. I have no death wish. I have a teenage daugher and friends and family that have degrees of perspective while most don’t seem to have much of a clue but even if they do, dont”t express it to me as I am considered crazy for the most part yet at the same time it’s clear to them I’m not. But please don’t respond further unless you want to see my responses. Unlike most, I KNOW there is a ton to learn and should someone, anyone tell me something that peaks my interest, I’m going to look it over and as long as it peaks my interst I will look it over.
But so far, though I stay pretty aware of all the fringe groups nothing even comes close to all the things Ti and Do gave us to think about and I can prove by years and years of first hand examples of Them as leaders, knowing most all of the 38 +3 that laid down theri lives that they knew exactly what they were doing and had to convince Do over years of consideration that they knew the ramifications. I can prove this and have offered lots of it on my youtube channel and blog at: and it’s not hokus pokus proof, like supernatural stuff. For one tiny instance: In 1976 having just formed spontaneously into a group called by the US national press that all cover the story for months, the UFO Two, who had attracted some 96 serious followers over a year on the road, then sent 19 of these out of the group because they felt they weren’t ready. I’ve got tons of examples.

All the problems we see now will escalate dramactically – call on Ti and Do for help dealing

January 5, 2012

Yes, there will be more and more self proclaimed leaders, more who say they are Christ and Maitreya and the Two Witnesses and a prophet and Space Brother, illuminated ones so to speak.

Ti and Do said that when they came not only all levels of life were getting a lift opportunity, but that the presence of the Next Level’s energy/mind/information about their reality right “at hand” stimulates the negative to also express itself more blatently. It didn’t happen nearly as much while the “classroom” was in affect becasue the Next Level didn’t want interference with bringing those students thru their “birth canal” (first harvest). We can see that there are dramatic increases in uprisings and dramatic increases in x-military committing suicide and taking others out with them, as well as people with bombs and all sorts of killing agendas. And that is against the backdrop that is part of the same “pressure cooker” syndrome of gov’t not being able to or wanting to act on behalf of the people, which causes the people to rise up toward revolt in all the ways they can and are led. So we are looking at anarchy in the near future. I know this is being anticipated and I dont’ doubt that it’s being prepared for, thus more security forces on the street, more civiliians acting as snoops and scabs and informants and “eyes”, which has it’s value understandibly, but also has it’s dark ramification of putting people under scrutiny because of a misplaced fearfulness, like automatically because they are a different ethnicity, or race/color, sexual orietation, belief system, class, intelligence, etc. As this escalates the jails will become overcrowded and this along with the increase in street actions – mass demonstrations by all factions that will turn bloody more often, because of police/military riot control that will be shown as a few bad apples in the police force so the politicians can seem to be above the fray for a time. And so there will be a need to take larger numbers of people out of society, thus the “FEMA” camps. These are already underway, some being populated by those who are arrested not having citizenship or a proper document to be in the US being taken to camps and having their kids seperated while they are sent south of the border. Sure some will be trouble makers,yet some will not, but it will not matter who is or is not as gov’t doesn’t have much discernment and the officers are their product.

All the problems we see now will escalate dramactically – call on Ti and Do for help dealing

January 5, 2012

Yes, there will be more and more self proclaimed leaders, more who say they are Christ and Maitreya and the Two Witnesses and a prophet and Space Brother, illuminated ones so to speak.

Ti and Do said that when they came not only all levels of life were getting a lift opportunity, but that the presence of the Next Level’s energy/mind/information about their reality right “at hand” stimulates the negative to also express itself more blatently. It didn’t happen nearly as much while the “classroom” was in affect becasue the Next Level didn’t want interference with bringing those students thru their “birth canal” (first harvest). We can see that there are dramatic increases in uprisings and dramatic increases in x-military committing suicide and taking others out with them, as well as people with bombs and all sorts of killing agendas. And that is against the backdrop that is part of the same “pressure cooker” syndrome of gov’t not being able to or wanting to act on behalf of the people, which causes the people to rise up toward revolt in all the ways they can and are led. So we are looking at anarchy in the near future. I know this is being anticipated and I dont’ doubt that it’s being prepared for, thus more security forces on the street, more civiliians acting as snoops and scabs and informants and “eyes”, which has it’s value understandibly, but also has it’s dark ramification of putting people under scrutiny because of a misplaced fearfulness, like automatically because they are a different ethnicity, or race/color, sexual orietation, belief system, class, intelligence, etc. As this escalates the jails will become overcrowded and this along with the increase in street actions – mass demonstrations by all factions that will turn bloody more often, because of police/military riot control that will be shown as a few bad apples in the police force so the politicians can seem to be above the fray for a time. And so there will be a need to take larger numbers of people out of society, thus the “FEMA” camps. These are already underway, some being populated by those who are arrested not having citizenship or a proper document to be in the US being taken to camps and having their kids seperated while they are sent south of the border. Sure some will be trouble makers,yet some will not, but it will not matter who is or is not as gov’t doesn’t have much discernment and the officers are their product.

Who could be most attracted to Ti and Do’s (Father and Jesus, Lord and Moses) teachings

January 4, 2012

Here is my response to someone who was concerned that they alienated another fellow believer in Ti and Do:

Those that are attracted to Ti and Do’s information will come from all walks of life but by in large will be made up of those that rejected and were rejected by all things mainstream and probably in one way or another did not fit in and got into trouble with the law, etc. They could even be murderers, soldiers, pornographers, addicts, robbers, rapists – the list goes on…

I don’t say this without evidence. Jesus evidenced this and so did Do when Do has us communicating with some that were in the highest security prisons in the United States which I witnessed. We communicated by mail with some in folsom prison and levenworth, for examples. I may be wrong about Folsom but levenworth I recall for sure and there were a few others.

I never heard Do say anything to the effect of: Find out what they did to find them selves in prison before relating to them. Some did tell us they were there on drug charges and some never said that I recall but I wasn’t a primary responder or checker of all the letters we sent in cooresponding with people following the USA Today ad and the couple dozen ads we put in alternative newpapers worldwide. I was a checker on some though. We had partnerships assigned to relate with certain ones and then checker partnerships assigned to oversee those partnerships and then lvvody and jnnody, but also jwnody and chkody were primary as overseers of the entire project and all reported to Do.

So I suggest forgettign about vetting or being suspicious of what anyone else believes or doesn’t believe, what they do or don’t do. That’s not up to us. We don’t have the overview, which is why Jesus said not to judge or measure other’s and he said many things about where the new believers would be found – those who need a physician, those who ARE sinners, have and perhaps continue to miss the mark of the goals set by the Lord & Moses and then the Father and Jesus and to date Ti and Do.

Now as Jesus said and Ti and Do taught, if you have a problem with a “brother” bring it to their attention, but we really dont’ have that type of community as that phase has passed for the time being. We can’t very well consider one another who believe in degrees in Ti and Do brothers/sisters in that faith because none of us have given our lives to Ti and Do and in a sense can’t, except to a degree, because they have to be incarnate for that to legitimately occur.

There may still be a future gathering of believers in Ti and Do, like the essenes were and like the believers in Jesus after he left formed, in which case there would be more grounds for a classroom type situation, as we wait for Ti and Do to yet return. I don’t know if Ti and Do will preseve some of the genetic crop and if so who that will be. It may not work well for a start up crop of new souls to become incarnate/assigned a human vehicle that in it’s genes has the memory of the circumstance surrounding Ti and Do’s classroom. They may want genetic stock that better matches the souls that are coming up to their first trimester towards their soul birth, like in the Moses camp and it would perhaps be an unfair advantage to provide those souls with vehicles that have that genetic memory, however subconscious.
Ti and Do always said, the next level provides vehicles that have to be a close “match” for the souls coming back to try to take over and bring through whatever trimester of theri overall birth they are engaged.

But for now, we are pretty much on our own, which is a strong lesson in and of itself to learn. This is then the kind of experience an Older Member moreorless has when they take over a human vehicle (incarnate), before the Ti and Do stage. They are alone and they learn that their Heavenly Father/Older Member is their sole relationship, though they can have relationships with fellow humans because it is how they interact with humans that is our main lesson plan, as we go about sharing with some about what Ti and Do brought.
I dont’ think it’s Ti and Do’s intention for us now to isolate ourselves because how then can we disseminate the info besides through the internetm which I believe is fine but should not be limited to if we wish to expand our service.

Nor does it seem to work that well to like a bull in a china shop go to everyone we encounter and moreorless shout how they must recognize Ti and Do to be saved. Lucifer has seen to it that for most, that would turn them off immedieatly. Better, I believe to take one soul at a time while asking to be led to who in a town might be interested and then see if any seekers cross our path and then if they are thirsty enough to pull it out of you, though it’s a learning experience to decide how much to say, when and how.

So there will be times when one is lonely for human interaction and times when one feels their Older Member closer. When Do missed Ti, especially at night when in his bunk he said he would wrap his arms around his own body as if to hug himself, thinking of it as his Older
Member. He gave that to us to do when we felt that lonliness.

So if it helps perhaps you can think of yourself as being in the first stages of preparation to do a Jesus type task, if that becomes something you want to work towards as there are many departments for service in/with Next Level crews.

the December 1 2011 uncloaked object near mercury

January 3, 2012

I was asked whether I had any more information about the uncloaked object near mercury to which I replied:

Well, I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure of what it’s not. It’s not space aliens, the human equivilent, to include reptilians and it’s not earth humans so that leaves the creators; one of Ti and Do’s crew of spacecraft. The Motis Operandi is so like Them in the records. But if you follow my blog, and/or my youtube channel: 3spm, you would have come accross the dream I posted a couple months ago where I was at the shore and actually thought of it as the Jersey shore boardwalk and out on a long curved pier (don’t know if there is such a thing) I saw Them. I can’t say if Ti was there or Do in particular but it was evident that all the 38+ students seemed to be there as I saw a group and my impression was they were dressed in white and had physical bodies that were child size with legs. I wondered if they were coming this way. I was shocked by seeing them and freightened, not because they were going to do anything I feared but simply out of the awe of who they were. But I knew (in the dream) that it was the discarnates that hang around me (as they hang around all humans) that were really the ones who were freightened, but since I have allowed some of those discarnates to time share with my brain/body (computer), their fear translates through my brain and thus I feel that emotion in my body. And actually, the discarnates fear is both awe and fear as the discarnates (as space aliens too) know their time is short before the recycling. I’m not saying this is any more conscious than when they were living in a body. I’ve had a lot of experience with such discarnates, running them off and giving in to them to degrees.

So in the dream then I began to move closer to the pier entrance to see if they were coming this way, towards where I was and saw that they were and I was shocked again by seeing that and moved farther away. I could see on this boardwalk that there were shops along it and I thought, I wonder if they will come and have ice cream. In other words I was adjusting to their coming and thinking of it as a real presense, not a spiritual (unseen) or undercover (incarnate as human) presense. A few days after the dream I remembered just days before the dream I had asked Do if they were coming back again. I suspected it for a long time, actually ever since a much earlier dream where Jwnody was telling me some things and I was left with a strong sense that they were leaving, but additionally that they would be returning. That made me think they’d been in their earth based invisible to humans spacecraft and thereabouts since leaving the physical bodies they had until March of 1997.

I’d also been looking at things Jesus said in the 4 gospels and revelations historic records that to me indicated what was called the Second Coming by christians was multifaceted which was especially proven by their being two depictions of harvests of the fruit in rev. 14, both of which included the loss of the physical vehicles of those souls who were counted worthy to be harvested for the Next Level’s future classrooms, after the current human civilization was plowed under to have a fresh start which would include sort of vacuuming up the spirit world of all the discarnates that had decided to either ignore or go against Ti and Do, proving they had no viable seed of that quality of MInd in their physical bodies and spirit bodies when they died, and this was the termed “second death”.

Now pertaining to mercury having given some of the background. That same weekend there was a lead story on yahoo news that there would be a red moon that would be visible only over the western US. We’ll there is a moon that looks like blood in prophecy and I ‘m not saying that there can only be one blood red moon, as I know there have been others and may be more to come, but the Next Level may use each one as a type of john the baptist alert that some other form of prophecy fulfillment will follow.

The next level can use the same prophecies over and over. They are set up to be multifunctional as the Next Level are all wizards when it comes to growing souls on gardens, while stilling keeping everything very free will based for the creatures they orchestrate the beginnings of that includes their form of genetic engineering while the Luciferians fallen angle space aliens from earth and previous garden planets create facsimili genetic engineering (but that never compare to the technology the Next Level has). Human and space alien genetic engineering and breeding programs always have very dark ramifications. They may solve certain problems for a time but they always have many more destructive aspects.
Then when I heard the report of the cloaked craft and someone described the object that became visible as like the starship enterprise, having two apparant cylandir looking parts, I thought, wouldn’t that be like the Next Level to send that thought to pick up on when the object was uncloaked. In other words, uncloaking wasn’t just something visible. It also provided insights to what was being uncloaked and it opened up my head to think of the sun as not only a distributor of light and energy radio waves but as a percision computer system that could very specifically direct specific frequencies to any body around it to be reflected to earth or directed to earth directly, that would actually provide a capasity for the life forms on earth to perceive more of the Next Level’s reality, while also stimulating additional changes to the earth environment, to include causing human objects sent into earth orbit to not hold their orbit as well or to have certain electrical problems to include more and stronger earthquakes and weather related phenomena.

Plus the uncloaking shows humans that they can be all around and not be seen by their instruments unless they want to be seen. And actually there are things happenign every day that are literally causing scientsts to scratch their heads in disbelief and dismay, while few are reported in the mass media and if they are they put some so called expert on the air to give some explanation that most just believe, which I could go into some examples that obviously turn human understanding of how things can work on their ear. It doesn’t mean humans don’t understand a bunch but they don’t know that there are many many, many more bunches to understand, that they would think of as an excption or anomoly or some sort of saving face kind of terminology. There is a great deal more to consider that your question stimulated. I was beginning to wonder if there was nothing left to talk about/consider, prepare for, but as it turns out consistant with all the years I spent with Ti and Do, if no one is asking them questions and absorbing what they were already given, then nothing new will come and to be honest I am one that has a pipeline with some operation to deliver, hopefully with some accuracy what They want to see provided to those who have a thirst for more than they can get from all the others.

However, I don’t think it was an accident that they uncloaked near mercury. Remember, Ti was an astrologer, though not for forcasting one’s future. She did natal charts, while operating the vehicle named Bonnie Nettles, but only did one for someone when they asked her three times to do it, but she didn’t tell them they needed to ask three times. In 1980 she and Do brought in a bunch of astrology books for us, the students to use, but told us we could not use them to do natal charts – the personal blueprint of the heaven’s when each of us is born. Ti and Do also said then that it was a game and over the years would have us case event and horary charts as one more indicator of certain things they were considering putting into motion. They didn’t base what they did on astrology at all. The simply used it as one more tool to see if taking some action with the group felt right to them. They had a number of other indicators to include prophecy. The reason Christians by in large have been told that astrologly is from the devil is set them up to disbelieve in anyone that would come promoting astrology, but those that were the primary seed receivers among our human species knew subconsciously that there wasn’t anything evil or satanic in astrology, so didn’t pay any mind to those christains it insisted otherwise. Meanwhile luciferians then stimulated the bastardization of astrology as they do with all things so that it becamse yet another type of “belief system”(religion) that they then could make a profitible in ego and finances from the use of – taught in schools, with licencing and all that human way of decaying it’s real value, that helps us recognize that what we think of as simply planets and stars, comets and such are actually intricately placed useful bodies/craft/devices to the overall garden experiment of growing souls to evolve mentally and physically beyond human.

So mercury in astrology is a planet that has as it’s character primary that of “communication”. In other words it’s said to influence humans in communicative ways. Those born under a strong mercurian influence which has to do with many things in the solar system and on earth past and present, physically and mentally, as all things are frequency driven inheriantly. Thus perhaps the mechanics of sending humans some new ideas would be to transmit their light from their once cloaked spacecraft, at the prompting and energization of that sun flare that would in turn reflect off the physical body called mercury to send Earth a huge frequency blast that is like a remote computer system sending a packet of information, or a thread or streaming of data that each of us has the potential to draw in, but is going to go unnoticed by all those who haven’t prepared their brains to receive more, which is accomplished by having the thrist to examine every iota of info that’s out there in the internet (whiich in reality is talking place in the heaven’s, as the humans packets are beamed up to satelittes and shot back down, the facsimil of what the Next Level does with planets that is called astrology.

I left a loose end in that last first sentence that all those born under a mercurian influence will depending on other things have degrees of communicative success in life, be well spoken for instance, though can also be the opposite. In either case it needs to be overcome. So those who have success because of their well spoken ability that they perhaps nurtured into a career that brought them fame and even fortune, should they feel drawn to overcome their humanness when the Older Members came to blow the horn, announce their arrival as Ti and Do did globally on at least two huge occaions. And those that were challenged in their communication would be faced more with overcoming their fear or inability to communicate to the satisfaction of those humans who place a great deal of stock on any one particular form of communication. This is just an example but it applies to all the planetary influences and there are combonations galore to it all. But to make application to Ti and Do’s team whether they are still here physical or not, which they are not now, requires the same thing of us, the first step being “believing they were who they said they were” and seeking to know their minds and to be in their service which at this time entails telling others about them in an escalating way. By learning everything we can about them, we are strengthening the soul pocket they gave all those who were still thristy for what they had to offer and were not afraid of losing the securty of what they think they have now in intelligence or spirituality or prestige or power or fame or fortune or influence on every level, humanitarian to manipulations and abuse and causing harm to fellow humans.

Ti and Do told us regarding astrology that, that planetary structure of influence upon humans no longer applied to those who becamse their students, as long as they sought to remain students. It didn’t mean students didn’t have to deal with the same influences, discarnates that ride many of those frequencies sent to humans. But where there is a certain type of destiny for each of us…for instance, we will all die and have certain ailments and physical and mental challenges and successes in life, families and passions and likes and dislikes, etc. once one decides to start on the path that by following will eventually remove them from the human kingdom which can only be accomplished by seeking the will of our Older Members in the most current and real manifestation (Do and Ti), then whenever they have a problem of any kind, if they ask ti and do to help them, they will receive help so they will not be as subject to what others will not know how to supplant because the Next Level will want to provide as much lesson material and potential grafting to their family unit as we can accomplish while in our current vehicle. When the Next Level feels their student body on earth now have sufficient lessons under their belt so that they will have a heathy grasp of next level ways and when all have had adaquate opportunity to begin that graft or not, then there will no longer any delay to the refurbishing of the planet’s surface, while saving whatever part of the genetic structures they may want to save, to use to seed the next civilzation with and recycling the luciferians so the old luciferians are sent to their transmutation into another less individualistic energy form while the new crop of luciferaian types become saved to be brought back for the next civilzation’s fertilizer that provide the backdrop of free will to become whatever we want to become, though the Next Level keeps it a fair playing field but that can seem confusing to us, because we often judge only by what we can see, the flesh vehicles, while they are not what the Next Level is ultimately growing. The vehicles are certainly part of the equasion of growth of the soul but is designed to be a footstool and to be dropped, allowed to die or even given up by choice even by our own hand IF and WHEN the present incarnate Older Member that we know we recognize allows us to, which again , we can think is not well thought out and examined but in reality it’s thorougly thought out and examined, though by those who we can’t see who are monitoring the entire experiment as one of their tasks for the Next Level. None of us at this time will be faced with laying down our life, but we do need to know that eventually we must give all which includes our physical life to prove to the next level we have faith in them and specifically the Older Member sent to teach us while undercover (incarnate to appear to be another human).

At this time to be willing to believe in Ti and Do and to tell others about them and understand the formula of overcoming and what will be required is a HUGE step to take and one that may be the reason some of us are apprehended and even killed in belief and support of. We can trust that if/when that happens it will a short lived sufferring and our soul will be quite aware of the reality of the Next Level thereafter so will actually be a blessing. We can even get used to a certain amount of the way this world is filled with lies and deceit and manipulations and enslavements on all sorts of levels humans ignore and see, obvious and not, but in this next year or so, however long the next level allows for all the souls to decide who they want to give their ultimate allegiene to, as Jesus said the Family of Supreme Above Human beings (God) or Mammon(human levels of treasure be it money or intelligence or ego or fame fortune or humanitarianism or religious/spiritual piety, etc.).
We can count on there being many more signs and deliveries of Ti and Do’s reality that humans will not know how to deal with along side increased environmental/geographic changes on all fronts. Not one human is being treated unfairly. Everyone gets what they believe/trust/have faith in. If it’s faith in a religious practice they get what that practice offers. None of us have the capacity to judge whether another’s soul will be saved by the next level or not. There may be different levels of criteria, different buckets that souls and even spirits can be gathered or sorted into. If a human has no potential to ever be given a soul or to take that soul into the development of fruit then they will be recycled. It doesn’t matter if the human is a child or an adult. A child can made some very basic choices even at a very early age and the next level can know whether that spirit/soul has the capascity to grow into more or not. It has nothing to do with whether the person is disabled, autistic, diseased, has acted in criminal ways. It depends upon what they have become by the time of their exit from their physical body which can be as fast as the thief on the cross, that gets that soul/spirit saved for a future opportunity.

Nor’s comment to henry on spirit of discernment blog

January 3, 2012

Hi Nor,

My name is Sawyer. Henry will not post my comments any longer. He is very narrow minded in my opinion and fears expanding his perspective.

You suggested that the scripture:
Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

suggest the next appearance of Christ comes from the East, thus the person you claim is the Christ (maitreya) – annointed one from the Kingdom of God.

And you noted correctly that Henry’s tiny look at this one scripture is not taking into account others. However in this one scripture alone there are several clues among all the dozens of prophecies and the ways and behaviors and motis operandi of any genuine member from the Kingdom of God.

The english word used “as” is also translated as “like”. And Light is also as a lamp shines which can be literal revealing something to see better or to understand better but in this context as being “under heaven” suggests strongly that this “light” is on the Earth as opposed to seen in/among the heaven’s(sky to starscape).

Additionally, it says it will be the “son of man”. Well this was the way Jesus spoke about himself because of how He, “His Divine Soul, (as an Older Member of the Kingdom of God, as opposed to a young member or a student/saint seeking to become a member) was inhabiting or incarnated into, having taken over and prepared for him the human vehicle(body) named Jesus to use for this particular task. This simply meant that He becames born of flesh, born from a human woman’s womb as the term man meant “human” essentially.

Thus he was equating that his return would simulate literal light of a lamp shining all over the planet and in:

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

“Every eye would see him” which further indicates something visual though could be an internal “seeing” and doesn’t demonstrate that all understand what they are seeing as also those who sought to kill him would also see, so would they too understand that this was the one from the Kingdom of God. Well, perhaps they would.

But like Samuel said, He would be feared. Well the word also translates to be in awe of.

What this comes down to is that the words can be translated BOTH as literal and as figurative, as precise and as general and can also apply in these and other ways at different times as there are indications his return is two fold. There are two harvests in rev. 14.

Thus henry may be right but the question will remain, who will he and others have allegience with when he comes as in all cases he is in a human form/body. He also indicated he would have things to say, new things, a new name, a name that relates to a song and that since the rev. 11 two witnesses are also both considered to be christs and jesus says his father is also coming back to “make our abode with you” which is literally “live with” (as any son of man must to be on earth), whoever satisfyes the return must be two sons of man and one must be in a female vehicle (body) according to rev 12, the woman is clearly the one giving birth to the son and the son is taken up to the throne so this is the relationship of father to son and there is another prime indicator that the father and son return when jesus says he will return sitting on the right hand of power. Well, he spoke of his father as his ultimate power and to sit at someones right hand is to be their instrument as he was/is but we must remember members of the kingdom of god are real and have physical bodies, though their flesh is not the same as human flesh, which Jesus was demonstrating by taking it into the cloud of light after proving he was NOT a spirit, (though he as a soul/spirit did control that human vehicle having overcome it’s human mammalian ways).

Now this is a test to you right now. I have revealed a great deal of new ways of thinking about the reality of the kingdom of God. The facts are that no one even comes close to demonstrating a complete fulfillment of prophecy like those called Ti and Do did while they were here in human vehicles.

If you don’t fear the changes that must be made when we are presented with the truth as we can never continue to cling to the old when we SEE how much more there is, as Ti and Do provided tons more info than anyone else even combined, since Jesus but even more than Jesus because the primary ones HeThey come for are also further along in their understanding so can handle more.

So I suggest if you still are a seeker, that you must examine everything you can find on Ti and Do. If you discount what they said and did over 24 years as not holding the real ultimate truth then that’s your choice. What you decide does not increase my stature one iota so I dont’ have to know what you decide.