Revelations 11:16 deciphered depicts the Heaven’s Gate “suicides”

Revelations 11:16 deciphered depicts the Heaven’s Gate “suicides”

Before getting started, some qualifications:

First off, this in no way is suggesting suicide in any way shape or form is something the Kingdom of God/Heaven wants anyone to do. It doesn’t work that way. Without knowing the Older Member(s) from when they were incarnate thus physically present and communicating with them and putting into motion the instructions of service they provided and left behind one might be making a mistake to take it upon themselves to lay their body down as they did. To do so as they did would require that you knew all about their mindset. They gave us a way to serve them now and that service if applied could eventually bring one to be “bumped off” by those who hate to hear about them and fear the spread of what they said and did. In that way by spreading the info they left for us to spread, while having regular seeking of their will for us on Earth by calling on the names “Ti and Do”, asking for help and strength that they will provide in a gentle and stepwise gentle fashion, while not accepting that They would lead us by “telling us what to do”, whether in dreams or by some other means or by our pretending that we are some reincarnation of Do, which is another Luciferian ploy, we are “giving our life” to them and when we lose our current physical body, our soul body will be taken to where they are on board one of their spacecrafts and assigned a new task that will further prepare us to be brought back again to have a face to face incarnate classroom experience with our Older Member(s) to move yet closer to graduation from the human evolutionary kingdom. There is no need for a group to perform our task of disseminating Their information and no need for leaders either. Those would be Luciferian ploys as well. And it’s not at this time about looking like them, wearing the clothes they wear or eating the kinds of foods they ate or using some of the terms they used for living in a house. I’m not suggesting that it would be wrong to mimic them in that way but I believe what can come from that is a return to the dis/mis-information that we are somehow serving them by duplicating those trivial lifestyle characteristics. Now Behavior and ways is another story and those are still posted on Heavensgate.com but if they are ever not found there, feel free to seek out a believer in them as I and I will get you to where a copy of those “major and minor offense lists are posted”.

The preface to the deciphering of Rev 11:16:

I read in a book that was referring to the Heaven’s Gate “suicides” that, “members felt they had no option but to follow” that’s another outright folly of judgement as EVIDENCED BY RIO IN HIS BOOK “Beyond Human Mind” that should be read carefully as in it he explains how and why he left and what Do said and this was already when they had discussed for YEARS – self stimulated exit – termed “suicide”, which by the way in Revelations 11 it talks about in several ways and applications I believe to include when they crashed their primitive spacecrafts and then layed down the lives of the new vehicles they took over with those vehicle’s full consent, as mine is one example.

And by the way, in Rio’s book he also demonstrates that after they were visited by two small phosphorescent white beings that three students saw when they got up to use the bathroom from different vantage points having the same identical description and that others including Rio remembered as a dream with the same description, that another student decided to leave. Again this was when they had already spent years talking about exiting by their own hand by drinking a drug mixture that would gently put the vehicle to sleep permanently.

Note: I understand that this is all far fetched, but like you said, no more than all the other historic writings that are termed supernatural, spiritual, paranormal and even science of mindish, electromagnetic “life” (software simulation of life) that at one time or another are beyond belief for most until by their experience they can’t deny some of it and for some, because they continue to explore SEE all of it as facets of our overall reality. Not knowing what you believe or don’t, it may be of little to know value to quote scripture but I have amassed a great deal of direct scriptural evidence to support what I already felt I SAW but that was masked in scripture as frankly the original and subsequent translators couldn’t help not seeing what I’ve been given to see because it is only viewable with direct help from the Older Members from the Kingdom of God/Heaven through personal face to face experience to establish their mindset with the human vehicles we each have and then through the digging to find where it’s been hidden in the provided record, as I have been commissioned to be the escavator of. I know a common response I have even used when someone quotes scripture is that they are cherry picking scriptures and one can prove most anything using scripture, but what other way is there to make one’s case in ANY circumstance as you are doing and as all reseachers do and perhaps ones case of any sort can be made because the Lord wants humans to have complete freedom to become whatever they want to become, the reason they allow the gate opened periodically during any given civilization for the Luciferians to get out to influence humans to faciliate their desired becoming.

With that said, here is one verse that is an example of my work on the Book of Revelations and the Gospels. First the context. This is recorded in Rev 11 after the seventh angel sounded so it is after the depiction of the “ascension” of the Older Members (and crew) though from the vantage point of the crew looking back at that ascension that is witnessed by the world. This is not the only part of Revelations depicting this event which I have shown in painstaking detailed analysis of nearly every word of Revelations, but primarily found in Rev 4, 6, 8, 11, 12 and 14:

Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders *1, which sat *2 before *3 God *4 on *5 their seats *6, fell *7 upon *8 their *9 faces *10, and worshipped *11 God,

*1 – It’s 4 and 20 – and it just so happens that the numbers of classmates at it’s lowest point was in the mid 20’s. I’ve documented this in my book in great detail with all sorts of number configurations of the history of Ti and Do’s classroom while rooted to the Jesus and Moses records.

*2 – “sat” – written here in PAST TENSE which I have not been able to verify yet, but would make sense in my hypothosis of this referring to what these 24 did in the past, thus considered to be while with their teachers.
sat = 2521 kathemai kath’-ay-mahee
from kata – kata 2596; and hemai (to sit; akin to the base of 1476); to sit down; figuratively, to remain, reside:–dwell, sit (by, down).

The surface evidence that there are students with these two witnesses during their prophecy period is below in the depiction of THOSE WHO ARE WORKING FOR/IN THE TEMPLE geographic area chosen by the Older Members before incarnation that I can show is largely the western United States as Ti and Do also indicated in a number of ways not referring to scripture, and in 11:2 stating that the “holy”, which constitues the Souls that are holy as a city is nothing without it’s occupants but is the “THEY” THAT ARE “TREADING UNDER FOOT” that can be documented further by disecting every word as I have done in my book:

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

As with most if not all prophecy, there are BOTH literal and figurative translations. The figures also play out literally really depicting a mindset and it’s physical manifestation. So “sat” can literally mean, these 24 sat with the Older Member Two Witnesses as they were incarnate to prophesy – deliver new information and perspective, behaviors and ways about the Kingdom of God/Heaven (that will be consistant in a progressive evolutionary manner with all that’s been given before so all those prepared for them in any way shape or form have a chance to SEE them for who they are, the Father and Son and Crew’s return). Hence the physical evidence of that is seeing in the exit videos everyone was sitting with Do being video taped. Do and students may have at that point staged it to be filmed that way to satisfy prophecy as Jesus said he did with the donkey ride and with the Judas betrayal as they give us every opportunity to open our eyes. The Next Level is not a static organization. They do everything in steps and see how the students and human population responds before they decide what the next step was. I could give countless direct evidence of this watching Ti and Do for 12 and 19 years I was with them and I do in my book.

*3 before = 1799 enopion en-o’-pee-on
neuter of a compound of en – en 1722 and a derivative of optanomai – optanomai 3700; in the face of (literally or figuratively):–before, in the presence (sight) of, to.

Note: it’s related to the eye part of the face so is referring to a literal seeing as opposed to understanding though that would also be considered to be taking place to some degree while seeing.

*4 God – is referring to one or more Older Member(s) from the Kingdom of God/Heaven

*5 “on” – 1909 epi=
(among many possabilities) I choose in this context “because of” or “on behalf of” – in other words that these Older Members are physically present in the stately seat of power to be described next “on behalf of” or “because of” the 24 elder student body.

*6 “their seats” = 2362 thronos thron’-os
from thrao (to sit); a stately seat (“throne”); by implication, power or (concretely) a potentate:–seat, throne.

Note: It’s not the same Greek word as what was just translated as “sat” so as to it’s referring to where these Older Members are “sitting” should be translated to “throne” depicting a “stately seat of power”. To me this was an oversight though the Luciferians often cause such oversights as this is contextually understood while sometimes there would be no way for a translator to know what a more accurate translation could be.

*7 fell CAN MEAN – “FALLING DEAD SUDDENLY” (see below in caps)
4098 pipto {pip’-to}
a reduplicated and contracted form of peto {pet’-o}, (which occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses), probably akin to 4072 through the idea of alighting; TDNT – 6:161,846; v
AV – fall 69, fall down 19, light 1, fail 1; 90
1) to descend from a higher place to a lower 1a) to fall (either from or upon) 1a1) to be thrust down 1b) metaph. to fall under judgment, came under condemnation 2) to descend from an erect to a prostrate position 2a) to fall down 2a1) to be prostrated, fall prostrate 2a2) of those overcome by terror or astonishment or grief or under the attack of an evil spirit OR OF FALLING DEAD SUDDENLY 2a3) the dismemberment of a corpse by decay 2a4) to prostrate one’s self 2a5) used of suppliants and persons rendering homage or worship to one 2a6) to fall out, fall from i.e. shall perish or be lost 2a7) to fall down, fall into ruin: of buildings, walls etc. 2b) to be cast down from a state of prosperity 2b1) to fall from a state of uprightness 2b2) to perish, i.e come to an end, disappear, cease 2b2a) of virtues 2b3) to lose authority, no longer have force 2b3a) of sayings, precepts, etc. 2b4) to be removed from power by death 2b5) to fail of participating in, miss a share in

*8 upon is also “at” or “on” or “by”

*9 their = 846 autos {ow-tos’}
from the particle au [perhaps akin to the base of 109 through the idea of a baffling wind] (backward);; pron
AV – him 1952, his 1084, their 318, he 252, her 242, they 121, same 80, himself 58, misc 1678; 5785
1) himself, herself, themselves, itself 2) he, she, it 3) the same

*10 face = 4383 prosopon pros’-o-pon
from proV – pros 4314 and ops (the visage, from 3700); the front (as being towards view), i.e. the countenance, aspect, appearance, surface; by implication, presence, person:–(outward) appearance, X before, countenance, face, fashion, (men’s) person, presence

Note: related to the same root of “4314 pros” related to “prostrate/worship (work for” described below.

Note: the reference to “person” – the outward depiction and thus appearance of the person – their physical body as headed by the FACE as one doesn’t have a physical body without a FACE and visa versa so this is depicting the physicality.

Note: also the phrase, “fell upon their face” or “fell on face” in various configurations is a response of awe (often translated as fear that has since taken on a negative connotation with those trying to depict the Kingdom of God/Heaven in a fearful way, which of course could be fear if one has done things to anger the Lord like inhibat others from living and choosing to live according to the instructions the Lord has given through various representatives) or in respect of or out of desire and thirst for help from or for communication from the Father or the Lord or in feeling overwhelmed emotionally to feel physically faint, even literally falling down upon one’s “face” because of a revelations or experience of some physical awareness or actual physical presence of someone we feel has been sent to us as a messenger or teacher from the Kingdom of God/Heaven. Of course the person that is “falling on their face” in some of these contexts may or may not actually be experiencing a genuine member of the Kingdom of God/Heaven as the Luciferians who were once in an early stage of “classroom”, but enough to have draw from their Older Member at that time, their Mind, could in a human or another student of an Older Member invoke some of the same feelings. In this way, Luciferians can and do create facsimili’s of the Kingdom of God/Heaven reps, as humans who draw people to them because that Luciferian will spend time shaping that human for their service similarly to the way the Kingdom of God/Heaven does with those who seek to be their students. A huge difference is the Kingdom of God/Heaven requires regular asking from the human and they only give them small doses of their mind at any given time, primarily by their Rep being physically with them as in a “classroom” or through the words they delivered to humanity by their physical incarnate presence. This way there is no mysticism and one can know who they are serving and they never get more than they can handle and must constantly prove they want more by their asking and application of what they are given. The Luciferian doesn’t wait for asking and they don’t generally regulate that much and they operate in shady ways so those that become their tools demonstrate all kinds of erratic and fanactical behaviour that often times goes directly against the Kingdom of God/Heaven and their instructions for studentship. For instance all these cases of sexual abuses of children by priests, but in some of those cases I suspect the Luciferians seek to discredit the priests at the same time as bolstering them in other respects. This way in either case they are turning people away from the real Kingdom of God/Heaven as people observe those who are supposed to be representing the Kingdom of God/Heaven, even though they may or may not be depending on their relationship with the Kingdom of God/Heaven and whether or not the new representatives have come and given them a chance to recognize them.

*11 worshipped = 4352 proskuneo pros-koo-neh’-o
from proV – pros 4314 and a probable derivative of kuwn – kuon 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):–worship.

Note the relationship of worship to “prostrate” and the example of “kissing the masters hand”, giving/showing our love for which in the Kingdom of God/Heaven isn’t by representations of love – it’s by “working for” as Do said the word “worship” actually meant. It’s the provision of service that is throughout the Old and New Testament that demonstrates “love” and that without is, as Jesus depicted by people saying Lord, this and Lord that, like today with Jesus this and that while virtually ignoring the WAYs HE said to show your love by “keeping his sayings” – Doing what he asked – performing service as the Kingdom of God/heaven doesn’t need new members so we have to prove to them we want it and are not only willing to do everything their way to qualify but grow to not want to even consider doing something other than their way, not out of obedience but out of recognition that their way is always a better way. Now that can be thrown in one’s face as with all things and the Luciferians are masters when it comes to mixing things up and twisting, which is why the religions are so “f’ed up” to put it culturally correct as the Luciferians have sown so much mis/dis-information that everyone that doesn’t thirst for the truth at any cost to their reputations will not be given the keys to unlock the mysteries because they frankly don’t want to see them. I won’t play this out now but it’s interesting that this word is related to the gland in the male that produces ejects semen and how that is associated with “love” and “kissing” and sex and reproduction and marriage/committment with our love, physcially and mentally of our Older Member who we then become Happy to even give our life to as a bride is happy to give herself totally to their groom in that analogy used throughout the bible but I believe is applied in the human kingdom to the groom giving their life to their bride as well.
Summation of new translation and interpretation of Rev 11:16:

Therefore, given this context of depicting the 24 as the students of the Two Witnesses who were physically with them and are giving themselves to whoever is on the throne, presumably one or both of these Two Witnesses (as clearly deliniated by my detailed analysis as this one) and since we know that one of the primary ways we must give ourselves is through service doing what They have asked us to do, and as they don’t care to infringe on our free will to choose, the primary way they show us what it is that we must do is by demonstrating it to us, then if they demonstrate giving their life as Jesus did and said his disciples would also drink that cup to be loved by he and his Father then for these 24 one can’t help but consider the translation of “pipto” translated in King James as “fell” to the choice listed in it’s definition example as choosing “FALLING DEAD SUDDENLY” as in laying down ones life voluntarily as that was what the Older Member was choosin and would be seen as suicide by all who don’t know whom or what they are really observing. But even that is providing the option and serves it’s purpose as unlike the many facsimili’s that are hardly spoken of anymore Heaven’s Gate remains as the most intriguing group and has had more people writing about than all others combined even though they were such a small group.

Ti and Do used to say, “it only takes a few cowboys to drive a entire herd of cattle”. When the Luciferians drive humans they drive them off the cliff but when the Next Level reps do it, they drive them to a new life that far surpasses in every way the human kingdom, even though they never used much bait. They did compare humans to horses that were wild and the Next Level Older Members to ranchers who round up some of the wild horses against their will at first and then offer them taming and training. The ones who take to the taming and training get to stay and get to provide service to the ranchers and grow to a point that they fall in love with their good masters and even if given the chance to run away back to the wild heard would not. The ones that don’t take to the taming and training get let back out into the wild. So everyone gets what they want.

Incidentally, in the case of the Heaven’s Gate group, it makes total sense that Do would be among the last to lay down his life as he would not want to chance anyone not succeeding in that committment. This is the kind of deep consideration Ti and Do demonstrated throughout their mission. I know it’s very, very hard, even near impossible for most to see this and no one is to be faulted for not seeing it, yet being given the opportunity to see it is a seed in and of itself. As a seed, there will be watering and if the seeds desires to sprout it still can, that is until it dies. Then their fate is sealed for or against. No decision is probably against based on scripture of those who are “lukewarm”.

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