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letter to Nathaniel a fellow Ti and Do believer abroad asking how I am doing

September 26, 2013

Hi Nathaniel,

All is well in some ways but in turmoil in others as, though I sit in some comfort at my computer daily in my mountain hideaway and write the prophecy book and have occasional fun playing music and a little socializing, I feel there is much more I need to do and know it entails leaving this comfort zone without having that strong impetus that came when Ti and Do came to my town in Waldport to “catch us away” from our human lives, as most of us then wanted and were unattached enough to do, at least for me fairly easily compared to those that had families, kids, careers, and many of the human trappings. I always wondered why Do would say it was hard to break away and yet it didn’t seem that hard for me. I know it perhaps wasn’t equally hard for all, depending on what lessons they still needed coming into this environment as souls from the lesson time with Jesus, but for me and the Soul taking over my vehicle it’s tough to recon with leaving without a push. Perhaps the push will come and I don’t look forward to it, but then again at time do look forward to it. However the Next Level is gentle though know we students need prodding now and again as evidenced by 19 years with Them where mostly when Ti was still using her human vehicle was filled with that gentle prodding.

It is very mentally depleting to decipher prophecy and not settling on this or that meaning without giving it my best shot to learn what Ti and Do really intended that got recorded by disciple john in the revelations as to timing of events and stages and to whom and where they most apply, all of which are not generally static as it’s all a road map but like human road maps, having many turns that can result in the same destination whether in thought or in action with only two ultimate destinations between working for Ti and and Do or for all things human.

So the reasons I am here is very clear because for whatever reason I flunked out but flunking out does not mean not going back to school as many times as it takes to learn the lessons that resulted in the flunk out, but the longer one stays in a human lifestyle the harder to break away from it, one of the challenges, while also defining “breaking away” as one can break away while appearing to still be engaged, they just do so without too much change of their physical situation. This is my condition – feeling less and less able to related to things thought normal and yet really not able to say much about it without alienating people when they don’t feel the same way while also not judging that they should feel the same way. There are no should. It’s all a matter of what we want and who we look to and how bad we want to show our allegiance to our sense of the highest source in those I know to be Ti and Do but others have their own way of considering. Thus the way we live becomes a potential example of who we are attaching to even if we often stumble, part of being attached to Ti and Do is to admit stumbling to those we have involved in our stumble to seek their forgiveness and tolerance of us, even though they may or may not be stumbling just as much according to their lesson plan that can be at a different grade in school, yet not really able to be determined by us as for those that are given much, much more is required, so if we havn’t have the chance to SEE our stumbles are not the same as for those that have had the chance to SEE.

We are all judged and rewarded by our performance not by our experience.

I have lots of specifics I can go into, but they are not important. What is important is, not giving up and even if with a tiny bit of desire asking for help to take our next best step.

I am fairly certain that events will continue to intensify in the world and in space and the environment to where to deny that these are all fulfillments of prophecy will be absurd but certainly a choice, but for some will be their awakening to their next best step.

With these events will also come challenges as we who serve Ti and Do to whatever degree we seek to are targeted, right now in mental ways but soon to also be in physical ways as we do have to “live for Ti and Do’s service” that will result in giving our lives in all ways to show our graft is in place enough to be counted on their crew, for future lesson steps. I don’t count that as motivation consciously – “to be saved” – yet at the same time don’t want to die and I know that sense is not exclusively in reference to my vehicle as sometimes it feels more desirous to leave my vehicle, which is where my soul is speaking louder knowing what I (the soul) knows exists outside the vehicle in the Next Level environment that can’t be had unless we are outside our human vehicle.


New comment Predestination and Election: Who will hear the gospel and believe?

September 24, 2013

Below is my response to a users comment on the spirit of discernment blog to the subject of Predestination and election. The comment is listed after my response. If anyone wants to help with getting some of my responses to the blogs that many Christians visit, since a number of their site managers list me as a heratic, then I suggest you follow the blog and try to answer questions, moreorless sticking to what they ask as if they still have a mind to, they might see the MIND of Ti and Do in the response and could be drawn to look into things you post, which can be taken from what I post, if you like or of course from your own research of what Jesus said to address their questions. If one goes to these blogs and just tells them about Ti and Do, the blogger will likely not post your comment so it will be a wasted effort. So yes, I am suggesting a type of clandestine delivery of Ti and Do’s mind in the language (tongue) of Christianspeak. With that said, here is my comment response:

I know what I say is shunned, but that’s the choice of this blogger to allow my voice to be included or not. It’s the same way with the Kingdom of God. They keep on sending communication but if the “plants” in the garden, ignore or discount what’s being communicated, what are they to do to help with their questions. It’s always been a struggle to discern the Lord’s intention from certain scriptures, while for what Jesus said it’s very clear, so I’d recommend sticking with the “red letters” and you can be sure the rug won’t be pulled out from under another part of his words, except when we don’t really understand the full breath of his words, which is an ongoing challenge that we must encounter as that’s what growth towards grafting to HIM requires – we must rise to his full intention and it will always be both tasty to the mouth but difficult to digest as one will see that the ramifications mean we have to change and change is always tough, until we’ve changed and then it remains tough but we know it was worth the discomfort.
Jesus spoke about this idea that some would be “saved” and some would not. There really was never in his words an in between though there are degrees of “saved” as in first fruits as depicted in the two harvest periods of Rev 14, where the term “elect” is really only applicable to what we could think of as the second fruits, those that must experience the time of great trouble that we are in the midst of as we speak that there are many proves of. It’s where Jesus spoke of the tares, the seed planted by the enemy, the Luciferians that look like the wheat but are not. At harvest time, which is a period of time and like said, in two phases, the tares are pulled up first by the angels who I believe are the first fruits harvested first. This is also depicted throughout many scriptures and these are “burned”, and yes that is the lake of fire depiction and is also the second death being it’s the death of spirits and/or souls that chose to not pay attention to God’s many expressions over years time by his incarnate representatives that must always be seen as in opposition to all who have become entrenched in religion and spirituality and atheism, all really parts of the same mindset that chooses not to look at the real deal when they are making themselves known, not that those within these groups are doing anything wrong by seeking the truth through these avenues, as they all can be passed through when someone wants to know what is most real and true about the Kingdom of God/Heaven but become a negative when we cling to them, again fearing the changes that are a must when we choose to look at God’s new presentation, as was the case with all God’s servants and especially with Jesus and absolutely is the case with the Two Witnesses that are the depiction of the return of Father and Son together.
We all need to constantly rise to the awareness that this Earth is a garden. It’s not “heaven” though many of the plants (tares) are saying it can be a heaven. In a garden there are only plants that are yielding fruit and those that are not. Is it cruel to toss those that are not into the compost heap? To leave them can choke off nutrients from the fruit and the fruit is the objective. God’s love is such that even the tares get the opportunity though they don’t want it, but I suppose there might be exceptions as even the tares have in their core a type of remembrance of the source of their existence before they became tares because “evil” was also created by the Lord to provide his garden plants with the choice, the free will to become whatever they wanted to become, while offering His Kingdom.

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Subject: [New comment] Predestination and Election: Who will hear the gospel and believe?


September 17, 2013

The following was written by Do, I am simply reprinting:

(original posted to the World Wide Web) October 11, 1995
(slightly edited) January 1997


1. In the early 1970’s, two individuals (my task partner and myself)
from the Evolutionary Level Above Human (the Kingdom of Heaven)
incarnated into (moved into and took over) two human bodies that
were in their forties. I moved into a male body, and my partner,
who is an Older Member in the Level Above Human, took a female body.
(We called these bodies “vehicles,” for they simply served as physical
vehicular tools for us to wear while on a task among humans. They
had been tagged and set aside for our use since their birth.)
2. We brought to Earth with us a crew of students whom we had worked
with (nurtured) on Earth in previous missions. They were in varying
stages of metamorphic transition from membership in the human kingdom
to membership in the physical Evolutionary Level Above Human (what
your history refers to as the Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven).

3. It seems that we arrived in Earth’s atmosphere between Earth’s 1940’s
and early 1990’s. We suspect that many of us arrived in staged
spacecraft (UFO) crashes and many of our discarded bodies (genderless,
not belonging to the human species), were retrieved by human
authorities (government and military).

4. Other crews from the Level Above Human preceded our arrival and
“tagged” – placed a deposit “chip” – in each of the vehicles (bodies)
that we would individually incarnate into, when that instruction would
be given. These “chips” set aside those bodies for us.
5. We feel that while we were “out of body” between arrival and
incarnation, we were thoroughly briefed and were taken through an
extensive preview of places and events that would assist our individual
incarnation process of bringing our mind our consciousness – into the
vehicle (body) and overriding the mind of the human “plant” (or
container) that each of us was to use. This incarnation process is
very difficult and cannot be done without the help of Older Members of
the Evolutionary Level Above Human who have not only gone through the
metamorphic transition to completion themselves, but who have also
assisted others through this transition before (acting as “midwives”
for some in the shedding of their human-creature characteristics while
preparing to be born as new creatures into the Next Evolutionary
6. The true Kingdom of God – the real physical Kingdom of Heaven – the
Evolutionary Level Above Human – are completely synonymous. As a
genderless Kingdom, it “reproduces” or adds to its Kingdom membership
through the use of this metamorphic process. This Next Level Kingdom
created all that is – including all the paths that lead to decay and
destruction, for the creatures it creates are created with free will –
an ever-present option to choose the direction to take at any juncture
or moment of decision.
7. The metamorphic “birth” into the Level Above Human occurs as follows:
In any given civilization on a fertile planet such as Earth (and Earth
has had many periodic/cyclical civilizations), the Level Above Human
plants all the new life forms (including humans) for that civilization
in a neutral condition so that they have a chance to choose the
direction of their growth. The Level Above Human – or Next Level –
directly (hands on) relates significantly to the civilization at its
beginning stage, and subsequently (with few exceptions) at approximately
2000-year intervals (48-hour intervals from a Next Level perspective)
until that civilization’s final “Age.”
8. Each time the Next Level relates directly to any portion of that
civilization, “deposits” containing “souls” (the “seed” or “chip” with
a program of metamorphic possibilities) are placed in many human plants.
This deposit is potentially the “gift of life” into the physical and
real Evolutionary Level Above Human. These deposits are given or made
only when members of the Level Above Human are assigned to directly
relate to (be incarnate in) the civilization. Only these Represent-
atives can “nurture” those deposited souls with Next Level thinking,
behavior, and all the information required to effectively “fluff off”
all human/mammalian characteristics of the old creature. (A potential
creature of the Next Level cannot cling to human ways any more than a
butterfly can cling to caterpillar ways.) So, when a Representative
from that Kingdom is present – that “Rep’s” nurturing (teaching) is a
“window” for exiting the human kingdom for all who have been given
deposits/souls. These deposits are made only in vehicles (bodies)
that are “old enough” – having grown or matured enough – for self-
determination or responsibility.

9. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this
time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or
its “system.” They are, from the establishment’s point of view,
being irresponsible or anti-social – and will be seen by the world
as duped, crazy, a cult member, a drifter, a loner, a drop-out, a
separatist, etc.
10. Not only is the body, in a sense, the temporary container for the
soul, but even more importantly – the soul is the housing or container
of the new creature. The soul has its own “brain” or “hard drive”
that accumulates only information of the Next Level – mundane as well
as theoretical or philosophical. The soul also becomes part of the new
physical body of the new creature, though it is seldom seen by human
eyes. Therefore, when a soul is a part of a new deposit, it has very
little information and is as a very small Next Level “fetus.” As it
develops or grows in size, it necessitates the abortion of the human
mind, which is in a container beside it. If you think of a glass vase
that has two balloons in it, one balloon is the human mind, the other
is the Next Level mind. When the Next Level makes a “soul deposit,”
it is like placing the second balloon in the glass vase. So, when
metamorphosis begins, the human mind (balloon) is all but filling the
container, and the Next Level mind or soul is all but empty. As the
Next Level mind increases – and the soul begins to grow larger –
the human-mind container or balloon decreases until, if the Next
Level mind successfully makes it to “term,” the human deflated balloon
is discarded and the Next Level balloon (with Next Level mind) is all
that fills the container, or glass vase. That soul with its Next
Level mind has by then become a physical body in a new species (the
Level Above Human), needing only a new physical outer shell, which
it receives as a “quartermaster issue” upon physically entering the
Next Level.
The final act of metamorphosis or separation from the human kingdom is
the “disconnect” or separation from the human physical container or
body in order to be released from the human environment and enter the
“next” world or physical environment of the Next Level. This will be
done under the supervision of Members of the Next Level in a clinical
procedure. We will rendezvous in the “clouds” (a giant mothership)
for our briefing and journey to the Kingdom of the Literal Heavens.

11. Metamorphosis is not ordinarily accomplishable during only one period
of visitation from the Level Above Human. Therefore, the deposit task
at each visitation includes deposits with “programs” for returnees who
are still in “forward motion.”
12. At the end of the Age or civilization (where we are now), it seems that
all souls that were deposited in any part of the present civilization
are brought back. Between visitations, “faithful” souls are “put on
ice,” so to speak – in the keeping of the Level Above Human, to be
re-deposited and again incarnated during the next visitation. So, at
this time we have both “faithful” souls who might be in the third
“trimester” of their metamorphosis preparing for the final test before
“emerging” in their new physical body belonging to the Next Level, and
we also have all those souls who have “fallen away” during this
civilization’s visitations. Even they now have a chance at
13. The requirement is the same for all who might expect to find themselves
in the safekeeping of the Level Above Human – each must proceed in the
forsaking of all human ways, ties, addictions, thinking, gender behavior
(sexuality), and be in the forward motion of becoming this new creature
(literally and physically belonging to the Kingdom Level Above Human).
(Some in the class have chosen on their own to have their vehicles
neutered in order to sustain a more genderless and objective
consciousness.) The overcoming process can only be accomplished in the
care, keeping, and tutorship of the present (incarnate) Representative(s)
of that Next Kingdom.
14. Humans in any given time seem to fall in one of three categories:
i) Humans without deposits – those who are simply “plants” )a part of
the various levels of human “plant” life) containing the mind or
program of their genetic information combined with their brain’s
interpretation of the information of their current body’s
ii) those with deposits/souls who are receiving nourishment from the
present Rep(s) toward metamorphic completion, and
iii) those with deposits/souls who are not in a classroom nor in a
direct relationship with the Representative(s) from the Level
Beyond Human, having:
a) not been confronted with the information and the Rep(s), or
b) been confronted but have chosen not to “pursue.”

15. Now that we are here again, how an individual responds to us and our
information will, in fact, judge that individual as to whether he or
she will or will not have a further relationship with the Next Level.
In other words, coming in contact with this information will force a
decision for all with souls, and the stand they individually take will
judge or determine their future. Remember, even those who have fallen
away are being given an opportunity at this time to be reconciled or
16. Those with souls — who fall away — become a part of the opposition
to the Next Level. Once, in a prior civilization, records suggest that
a third of the class fell and the strongest, and thereby leader of those
fallen, was called “Lucifer” (or Satan). Even today they occupy the
near heavens as what humans refer to as “space aliens.” They also
burrow in bases underground and participate in genetic manipulation
and hybridization with humans, and attempt to recruit (while remaining
among the “unseen”) those humans with souls who are unstable or weak
in their pursuit of the true Kingdom of Heaven. These “Luciferians”
(for the most part from the “unseen” world) started all religions and
masquerade as “gods” to humans. They offer to humans (who are
unknowingly praying to them) whatever material gains they desire.
These “Luciferians” and their devotees preach “Heaven on Earth,”
“Peace among men,” and a long and healthy life in the human condition,
and are determined to take the steps to make the inhabitants of the
planet subservient to their “ideal” mammalian ethic – destructive to
the natural evolutionary processes, and abhorrent to the Kingdom Level
Above Human. These “fallen angels” unknowingly also SERVE the Next
Level — for as the aspirants to the Level Above Human apply the
necessary effort to rise above “this world” — they gain the strength
to enter the “Next World.”
17. Where the space aliens have a major stronghold in playing “God” is
through those humans with the most power. The power is the strongest
among the very rich and the very righteous (their self-styled religion)
who accept that it is their (“God-given”) responsibility to maintain the
world’s stability – judged, of course, by whatever actions are necessary
to maintain and increase that power. These powerful individuals have a
loose-knit world-wide “club” that for the most part dictates who their
primary “monopoly” players are – those leaders in the “significant” or
strong societies or cultures. Government leaders, the very rich, and the
world’s righteous or “moral” leaders need each other to accomplish their
desired ends. They together really determine what is “right” and “wrong”
for the populace as a whole, for they trust their overview (and needless
to say, it is motivated, for it makes the rich richer, the political more
powerful, while offering sufficient “moral consciousness” to nurture a
guiltless society). This “morality call” translates down to every level
of society’s structure, i.e., its laws, its permissiveness, and its
intolerance. The governments’ law enforcers see to it that nothing is
permitted to significantly threaten the rules of the “big bedfellows'”
morality – which is no morality at all, but the long list of do’s and
don’ts which protect the money flow, secure the power players, and
sustain the acceptable morality code. Any little group that isn’t
naively, totally submissive to their social rules, or begins to see
through this “control mechanism,” or questions its rightness, is seen as
subversive, radical, anti-social, a cult, or even treasonous – or
potentially “terrorists.”

18. It is a fact of record that a number of space alien groups or “races”
have related to humans as recently as the past few decades for various
reasons. These ranged from “deals” of mutual benefit – trading
spacecraft technology for uninterrupted genetic experimentation – to
missions of “spiritual enlightenment.” All of these activities are far
beneath Next Level interests or activity and are, in fact, diversionary
efforts of the space aliens to have humans look to them at a time that
our return presence was imminent.
19. The space aliens have very successfully, through their religions,
totally confused the humans’ concept of “God” or “Deity.”
(These religions were begun as major distortions immediately
following any visitation of the Next Level.) The Next Level
abhors religions, for they bind humans more thoroughly to the
human kingdom, using strong misinformation mixed with cosmic or
universal consciousness of Creation, about which, in truth,
they know nothing. Some of their Christians say that God was
incarnate as Jesus – though He knew that His Father was clearly
a separate entity, even when His Father’s mind was in Him.
Luciferians now answer the Christians’ (as well as all other
religions’) prayers or requests as they promote enriching their
human lives and having them seek a “Heaven on Earth” and a type of
Second Coming that would clearly be abominable to the Next Level.
Only the Luciferians could have Christians believing that Jesus
promoted family values, becoming better humans, establishing
professional religious institutions, and looking for the Second
Coming of some flowing-robed, peace-and-love manifestation of
their artists’ conceptions.
Most religious think of a Kingdom of God, though it doesn’t
register to them that that Kingdom has many members. They feel
that if you acknowledge “many members” in the Kingdom of God,
then you would be acknowledging a pantheism. Any time any member
of the Next Level is assigned a task to relate to humans directly,
since he is of the Kingdom of God, he is rightfully “God” to them,
for he is the member of the Evolutionary Level Above Human
(“Kingdom of God”) who is relating to them. This is not to say
that there is not in the Next Level a “Chief of Chiefs” or one who
is Supreme. Luciferians have had humans spiritualize and elevate
that spiritual feeling for the word “God” so that no member of the
Next Level would want to identify as one of those members of the
Kingdom of God. The irony is that humans pray to the masquerading
“gods” – space aliens – who have many “superior” beings in their
different races and subraces. So, humans are unknowingly praying
to different “gods” of many “gods.” Of course, none of these are,
in fact, “Gods” – other than self-appointed. (They are simply
humanoid remnants from previous civilizations that are allowed to
exist as a part of the balance of positive and negative presences,
and allowing a full range of free-will options.)

The Next Level is not into rituals, or spiritual inflation of
stature, though it’s true that younger members learn to be
respectful and acknowledge the wisdom and serviceability of Older
Members in the Next Level. Where one can fall from progressing
in the Next Level is to slip into believing that he can grow on
his own. The only way an individual can grow in the Next Level
is to learn to be dependent on his Older Member as that source
of unlimited growth and knowledge. So, any younger member in
good standing, forever remains totally dependent upon (and
looks to) his Older Member for all things.

20. Since this is the close of the Age, the battle in the Heavens
with their servants on Earth will be the means of that closing
and the spading under of the plants (including the humans) of
this civilization. “Weeds” are now getting rid of weeds – from
gang wars to nations involved in ethnic cleansing. This is
simply a part of the natural recycling process which precedes a
restoration period of the planet in preparation for another
civilization’s beginning.

21. If you connect with this information – if you attempt to connect
with us in your desire to leave your humanness behind and link
with the Evolutionary Level Above Human – you may encounter what
seems to be insurmountable tests. You can imagine the “fallout”
of your separation. You may even be faced with the possibility
of losing the body you are “wearing” in the demonstration of your
faithfulness. We can take you through all of these trials – they
are designed to offer you strength and resolve.
22. If you expect to go with us in our spacecrafts headed for our
“world” and the only true Kingdom Level Above Human, you will
likely have to physically engage in preparedness and readiness
for that departure. That readiness should not be interfered with
by the servants of this world.
I find it all but impossible to present these truths to you in a way that
might stand a chance to survive the avalanche of thoughts from the
opposition that would do anything in their power to prevent your
separation from their world and your physical life in it. I hope that
my Older Member’s mercy will give you strength. If you care to speak to
me in your thoughts, I answer to “Do” (pronounced Doe). The name
itself means nothing, but I connect with it for it was agreed upon for
my usage by my Older Member “Ti” (pronounced Tee). Ti stayed with me,
setting an example and preparing me for this present responsibility
until 1985, and then separated from her borrowed human container and
returned to the Next Level. (If we’re not mistaken, our entire classroom
task here from 1975 until the present has only been about 30 minutes by
Next Level reckoning.)

If you have grown to hate your life in this world and would lose it for
the sake of the Next Level, you will find true life with us – potentially
forever. If you cling to this life —- will you not lose it?

Section 1 – Page 4

Who are the “ELECT” and is there predestination

September 13, 2013

Below is a comment I posted to a blog, entitled “spirit of discernment” that is maintained by a person I only know of as Henry, who has been a popular Christian blogger who in times past banned me from commenting but I arrived at through another blogger that has enjoyed my posts even though doesn’t hold my beliefs about Ti and Do. So I’ve posted my comment here for those that follow my blog and in case Henry doesn’t permit my comment. It’s on the subject of “Election, as in the Elect and Predestination” so may be helpful for others that talk with Christians to consider though I didn’t document everything scripturally yet. In the post I’m commenting on very little was said but referred to Paul of Tarsus letter to “Romans” that I’m sure you can find by searching scripture using the key word “elect”. For those that do want to serve Ti and Do by providing Christians with ways of looking at the New Testament, I suggest following Henry’s blog, as well as another called, Historicist and another by a popular avant garde blogger named Marzulli, all three of which I have been banned from. I don’t care to change these bloggers minds but often there are thirsty Christians that visit their sites so is a way of simply making Ti and Do’s mind available. What they do with it is then in their hands though one needs to be prepared to do some research into what they say to talk their language (tongue) to give them a chance to hear more truthful talk that Ti and Do brought. If nothing more it can serve as a seed as we don’t know for how long Ti and Do will continue to provide avenues to learn about them and decide who to give our allegiance to, the Next Level through Ti and Do or to Mammon (what are the treasures of human mammalianism).

Sawyer’s comment:

First off, Paul of Tarsus, alleged author of the letter to those called the Romans is among the least of the authors of anything attributed to what Jesus said and did, while among most Christians is by in large the most quoted and studied. I have as many examples of how distant he was from what Jesus taught as the words he used in all his letters. However the evidence suggests he had a relationship with Peter, an assigned delegate (assigned task to disseminate what Jesus said/taught because he had the firsthand experience necessary for the task) of Jesus, thus no doubt what he did gleen about Jesus was likely his main source. With that said the idea of “election” has to do with those who “elected” to seek out what Jesus taught, which in so doing become elected by the Kingdom of God/Heaven to receive the help to further advance what they have asked for in their seeking.

Thus there is no predestination in this way as we each have the free will to choose what we seek and in so doing receive or don’t what the Kingdom of God/Heaven is eager to provide us. Thus it’s our choice to elect ourselves and this is a day by day mindset. There is no tenure in this election. We are elected as long as we seek to be and seeking to be isn’t just about “belief” and talking about the Kingdom of God/Heaven – it’s about continuing to seek and ask for ways to grow “belief” into offering ourselves in service to the Lord, the one assigned as our Heavenly Father by the “big daddy”, the Oldest Member of the Kingdom of God/Heaven, by our “in secret” petitioning (prayers) that cease to be genuine if what we say becomes meaningless repetition as we see used in the religions.
The only predestination among humans is that their physical bodies will die, though along the way there are many characteristics of our genetic makeup and environment that are as programs that we become influenced by and create habits of thought and action around. These can then seem like pre-destination but can be reversed by choice by seeking the help from the Kingdom of God/Heaven that includes what was taught by the incarnate representatives throughout history. Seeking the help from the Lord in this respect may or may not be conscious. For instance for some ailments fasting is a solution which people may or may not recognize came initially from the Kingdom of God/Heaven as well as all the elements on the planet, though in the records it will seem that this or that human discovered the solution. Of course, we do get things via fellow humans but humans are never the ultimate source. In the Book of Enoch it’s said that the “fallen angel (watchers)” taught humans healing arts, etc., but they were not the original source either. Everything must eventually lead to the Above Human beings in the Creators’ many membered Physical Kingdom – the organization from which these aspiring and apprenticing (angels) fell away from seeking their continued “election” to remain grafted to.

Now where the idea of “elect” also refers: When the members of the Kingdom of God/Heaven, actually in more accurate terminology a Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human, observe a human being seeking to learn more about them and their reality in whatever terms they think of; Lord, Creator, God, Allah, Vishnu, Heavenly Father, etc., when the soul growing garden schedule is set to provide one of their Older Members to incarnate (take a flesh body) as in the parable of the seed planter Jesus illustrated, those on the Next Level crew assigned that task literally go to each specific individual who had been asking/seeking or knocking in their way that doesn’t have to include religio-spiritual terminology to give them a “seed”. The seed is a literal physical (but far less dense physicality than can not be seen or disturbed by denser physical structures) container that has with it a set of programs that provide more facility for greater interface with one’s Heavenly Father, to receive more of their “holy” Mind/Spirit. The provision of this seed is like a tag, even a “chip” as in computer chip and has come down in history as a “soul” in the English language. It is that seed that then can be grown into a new physical and even more dense “body” that at harvest time is harvested by the death of the human physical body it was attached to, and taken into the keeping of a Next Level crew.

However that seed is given when it can be grown, which only takes place when the incarnate Older member provides their teachings by Their words and demonstration of the behavior and ways of their Above Human Family, the Kingdom of God/Heaven, the next step for a human as the Earth and human kingdom are but stepping stones to that next evolutionary level. It’s an evolution both of Mind and Body because upon graduation (harvest) if one’s soul has become viable, they are provided a new dense physical body MADE for them that is appropriate to their new environment on spacecrafts and in laboratories throughout the literal “heaven’s” (outer space).
Those humans that don’t reject this seed by rejecting the information and teachings of the incarnate Older Member who came incarnate are provided ample opportunities to proceed to that graduation which will entail severing all their roots to the human kingdom. In other words, the incarnate Older Member will require students to leave all their humanness behind to be their student and literally go with them, “follow the lamb wherever he goes”. They will also be required to cease functioning in human mammalian ways, thus no reproductive activity, no sexuality or any forms of sensuality and giving of their energy to fellow humans as it’s time for them to graft to their Older Member’s family, though that Older Member will assign them tasks to serve future members to the Next Level, mostly by the provision of the same information that incarnate Older Member provides.

The task of disseminating the Older Member’s teachings continues after that Older Member has exited their incarnation, at which time many seeds are still able to be planted by the invisible crew assigned that task, when humans come in contact with the truths provided by the spreading of the Older Member’s Mind/Words, teachings that will be identical to the intentions of previous incarnate Older Members, Jesus being the last one before the Two Witnesses depicted in Revelations, His successors, in Their case being both the Father and Son coming incarnate together.

All the souls that were grown during previous incarnate Older Member periods are saved in soul form and brought back to have their next appropriate growth experience as a human being provided with that soul seed as a soul can not be brought to harvest in one season, which is where the idea or reincarnation came from but was spoken of as resurrection in the religious records but has become distorted into various opinions of what it represents that would require a lengthy discussion to distinguish.

Thus, all humans who elect to be in service to the Kingdom of God/Heaven become recipients of not only their own soul seed, but become hosts to a returning Soul who is being advanced to harvest during that time of the Older Member’s incarnation. This is what was meant by Jesus talk about a disciple becoming a producer of fruit as they are themselves (the human with the new soul seed) fruit but are also in so doing providing the avenue of growth of overcoming humanness to the more elder soul and by their dissemination of information opening up the avenues for non-seeded humans to be seeded with a soul (fruit).

Much of this has become twisted by the lower forces who serve the Next Level Older Members unwittingly but is being clarified at this time because of the fact that the Two Witnesses came incarnate, known by the names Ti and Do, who have exited their incarnation with their firstfruit harvest while leaving behind their records that some have chose to disseminate in preparation for the second scheduled harvest period that will resemble the harvest period following Jesus exit when Jesus disciples were largely hated by establishment religionists but who had grown and elected to serve him by spreading his information that Jesus knew would also result in their loss of their physical human life over as they too would be hated for disturbing what had become a faith in name only.

The data that Ti and Do brought is still being retained on the web site though there is no new group nor leaders nor duplication of their means of exit. It’s up to each individual to seek/elect themselves to be elected to receive and/or grow their already received soul seed by learning all they brought and seeking our then more real interface with Ti and Do that will lead to the willingness to share Their information with others as it feels appropriate to do so even though it will often not be received and thus will be a means to our own disconnect from our human roots to maintain.

Response to x-Ti Do believers website against Heaven’s Gate

September 4, 2013

At the end of this post there is a web site link to an x-Ti and Do believers now anti Ti and Do Heaven’s Gate web site who says he was in the class for 5 years. He is saying that Do lost his way and was taken over by demons after Ti left, a common attitute that Rob Balch and others have adopted that frankly isn’t evidenced when people consider all I can bring to the table of the time before Ti exited and when Do and Crew exited. So I have begun to respond to this x-student of theirs about this:

Before giving the link I am providing text from the website and my responses and questions for this individual:

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About the Heaven’s Gate Cult

About Co-Founder Bonnie Nettles

Bonnie Nettles (also known as Peep), was a co-founder for the cult Heaven’s Gate. We had something in common: we were both astrologers. Peep was always asking me when the stars were going to line up for our departure in the UFO. Peep knew that I made predictions using astrology. My first prediction was in May of 1980 when Mount St. Helens erupted, I was off by two days. In 1989, on October 19, the Loma Prieta earthquake in California happened. I saw it coming four years before it happened, but I was 20 days off.

After Bonnie Nettles died in the mid-1980s at 43 years old, co-founder Applewhite (also known as Bo) was their teacher. He had lost his ability as a teacher and was tricked by a demon, which caused him to lose his contact with God. From that time on, his lessons were from the dark side and they all lost their Light from God.

A Message from Peep

Peep (Bonnie Nettles) contacted me when she passed away to tell me something evil entered Applewhite, a demon. A demon is 10 times stronger than a person. Their power is deception, wickedness, evil, and trickery.

Applewhite was tricked into thinking that he was in contact with the Overseers in the UFO from the Kingdom of God. Peep could no longer talk to Applewhite from beyond the grave. She tried many times to tell Applewhite the truth, but the demon was too powerful.

When Peep passed away, she did not go into the light. She is now a free spirit. She wants everyone to know she had nothing to do with getting the students to take their own lives. She cannot go
into the light until her name is cleared.

UFOs, God, & Heaven’s Gate:

UFOs & Heaven’s Gate

Some UFOs come from God. They are there to protect, shield, and defend mankind and our planet. The Overseers did an experiment with the Heaven’s Gate class. They wanted to see if we were able to become completely free of all unclean thoughts and spirits. In order to carry out this experiment, they made Heaven’s Gate into a classroom.

Since Bonnie was telepathic, she was in contact with the Overseers and would give us lessons on how to be free of unclean spirits. Every 12 minutes, we would talk to God for one full minute to ask Him to help us overcome and to free us from unclean spirits. After Bonnie died in 1985, a demon tricked Applewhite, the co-founder of Heaven’s Gate. From then on, the lessons were all dark and everyone lost their Light.

The Right Path

While I was with them for about five years, Bo and Peep were on the right path. Had they stayed on the same path, they would have made it to the Kingdom of God.

We would have all been accepted when God came because we were free of all unclean spirits, un-pure thoughts, and our vibrations were very high. Since Bo took his own life, he was taken “downstairs”, where all things evil stay forever. This story needs to be told so that my classmate’s experience was not in vain.

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The Overseer’s Message

When I was 39 years old, a year after I left the Heaven’s Gate cult, the Overseers made contact with me because I lost my way and connection with God. For three hours, they communicated with me telepathically, and eventually the dark cloud was lifted from me. The Lord found me when I was lost.

After this, the Overseers told me to warn the world of what is to come. They said starting in the year 2000, a holy war will begin between good and evil. Because of all the unclean forces and spirits, the evil ones will feed on all the raw, negative energy. The energy is 10 times more negative than it has been for the past thousand years. Every year, the negative energy will get worse until God comes. Mankind is now on trial. If you have negative thoughts, you also have unclean spirits inside of you.

Get Rid of Unclean Spirits

In order to get rid of them, take one minute to ask God for his help. If they won’t go away, praise God loudly from all your heart and when the Holy Ghost enters you, the unclean spirits will leave you. In order to keep bad spirits out, you must have positive thoughts.

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The Truth About Heaven’s Gate

Learn all about the secrets of religious cults with help from Heaven’s Gate Cult – The Truth. My name is Robert. When I was 55 years old, all 39 of my ex-classmates took their own lives on a promise from Applewhite, the cult leader. Applewhite told them there was a UFO hiding behind the Hale-Bopp comet, waiting to give them a new body so they could become members of the Kingdom of God.

Applewhite promised them God would take good care of their families after they were gone. My dead classmates came to me and my wife because we can talk to spirits and angels. I promised them I would share the real story of what happened to them.

UFOs & The Kingdom of God

Cleanse Yourself

Find out how God’s Overseers protect us with my help. I share information about how UFOs and the Kingdom of God are related.

Protect yourself from the tricks of demons and unclean spirits. With my advice, you’re sure to cleanse your body of all negative energy.

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About Me

Discover the truth about religious cults and send generous donations to those in need with help from Heaven’s Gate Cult – The Truth in Novato, California. My name is Robert. For more than 20 years, I’ve been sharing the untold story of what really happened to the students of the Heaven’s Gate cult and how all 39 of these classmates were tricked into taking their own lives. I am trying to get the message out to everyone so that donations can be made to the families of the deceased.

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My first comment to this person, apparantly assumes wrongly that this is the work of someone named Joan. I don’t know who it is yet but have asked him, not for a human name but for his “ody” name among other questions and comments.

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Hello – I assume, perhaps incorrectly that Joan is behind this. For what it’s worth since their exit Ti has contacted me three times. The first time was after 9/11/2001 as I took that as an “apocalyptic” event and in that contact she approved of my beginning to “write” about my 19 years experience their dedicated student. The 2nd time both in very vivid dreams, I don’t recall the message unfortunately but awoke and clearly saw a Luciferian glide through my room, followed by many other spirit sightings while fully awake. The third was recently and felt supportive of my work for them now. If as you say, and others like to believe that Do departed from his course with Ti, how do you explain Ti’s telling the class in 1978 that the students “needed to give their will” to them? Wouldn’t that have been a departure from the previous motis operandi you experienced? Wouldn’t that be seen as a step to leading them to lay down their lives. And considering they were claiming to be the fulfillments of what The Father and Jesus taught, why would laying down their lives seem like a departure from what They taught through Jesus? Also, did you experience how Ti trusted Do? She trusted him so much that she instructed all the students to make their commitments to him. She told us that Do was uncomfortable asking us for our commitment to him, though he knew it was something we needed to learn. I have also had a number of contacts from Do and from a handful of students over the years, each time answering my questions. Plus they have given me premonitions that came true that I documented but I could care less about using as proof of our relationship. You are right, Ti did not go to the “light” as that is perhaps where spirits are dissolved. She went on their spacecraft. I’m sorry that your stand is being made for the wrong side of goodness, but I am willing to help you see it if you want to. I understand that the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens are very powerful, as they put me to the test that I actually asked for arrogantly and failed to handle because my ego was in the way. They like to hold onto any they can have a hold on to keep them away from Ti and Do’s crew and service. It’s easy to hate them or pretend that Do’s at fault as there are many that will support you in that thinking so you can make a name for yourself in that regard, if that is what you seek or perhaps think you are saving others from what… themselves, as each of those students, of which I can speak to knowing well most and knowing a little all but one, were by far no pushovers in any way and I am an example of them. For all intents and purposes I couldn’t have left them if they had the hold on me most say they had. And I can say the same for all of the elder student dropouts, whom for those who are still alive I know and am in contact with at times. I could say a great deal more but will save it in case you don’t care to hear more. I feel like I know you somehow and I don’t think poorly of you at all but it’s clear you are following very evil minded voices to say you represent Heaven’s gate truth while spreading lies and innuendo of deceit about both Ti and Do. It’s not too late to reverse your decisions in this regard. I suggest you talk to Ti about it and not accept a phony “Ti” however you perceive Ti to be. I hope their peace can come upon you.

My next comments were more thought out:

You said, “Every 12 minutes, we would talk to God for one full minute to ask Him to help us overcome and to free us from unclean spirits. After Bonnie died in 1985, a demon tricked Applewhite, the co-founder of Heaven’s Gate. From then on, the lessons were all dark and everyone lost their Light.”

1) What are your examples of the lessons that were dark and how everyone lost their light?

2) Were you in the class when we moved into houses in Colorado?

3) Why did you leave, and from where if you don’t mind saying?

4) Do you know relatives of those who laid down their lives?

5) By the time of 12 minute “checks”, which were put into place so we would get in the habit of asking for service. And by then, we were literally instructed to talk to Ti and Do. Remember in Mississippi campground where they had us out loud say something to the affect of, “Ti and Do, isn’t there some way I can grow faster…”. Sure they never told us not to talk to “God” but not at all just during that minute. In terms of keeping influences at bay (evil spirits) that was something to constantly work against not at all just during 12 minute checks.

I can understand your not understanding and/or remembering much of this as that was the beginning and many students even there years longer than you misunderstood a great deal of what Ti and Do taught over the years. After I left the class, it took me 10 years to come to terms with the real reasons I had to leave as I never disbelieved in them, except to the degree I failed to maintain some of my overcoming disciplines because I was not aware that I had a egotistical influence that wanted to shine. Then in 97′ when they exited I had to come public with what I knew though I had no sense of wanting to return to their service or studentship by then, nor thereafter until I began having them in dreams, lots of them, very specific and very clear and not at all symbolic or abstract.

So I gradually allowed myself to feel connected again and when I would read certain things they said, it would hit me that at the time, when I was there hearing these things, I was only absorbing a tiny percentage of what they were saying and/or assuming I understood when I didn’t.

Not too long ago I spoke with Andody about his understanding of our intention when we fasted in the desert, on water and I learned that he had a totally different understanding. In fact he didn’t seem to have heard what I heard about it. If we were in a meeting, many were hearing other thoughts while they spoke and then would get a partial message.

Anyway, I’m not finding fault with what I believe are misunderstandings and I know we all have influences to work against and we tend to accept certain ones and some of them can even twist their way into a juxtaposed sense of service to the One true Lord when it’s the wrong Lord, that is, if we want to serve the highest Lord, the overseers as you seem to call them. Well, the “watchers” were “overseers” – the same kind of terminology actually, so whoever it is that gave you your sense of higher consciousness was probably one of those who fell as we in the class were a prize for them to take over.

But it is part of my job to tell the truth about my recollections of all that happened in the 19 years I was their student and how that applies now that I have re-committed to Ti and Do’s service and they have informed me of my acceptance on the crew, as long as I continue to look to Them and do the work they have asked me to do now – spreading their information.

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And here is the link to the site: