Jude 1:14 “ten thousands…saints” come – actually= “many/myriad” verses Ti&Do’s 42

I received a question about the interpretation of:

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

It seems the question was surrounding the usage of “ten thousands”, perhaps related to my talking about Ti and Do and their small crew as being the crew and the first fruit harvest participants that amounted to 42 student graduates from the human kingdom in 1997.

There are a number of considerations in these two verses:

1) The number of “saints” and who the saints are.
2) when do they come
3) what constitutes their “execution of judgment upon all”
4) Is it a separate time from their “convincing all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds to include hard speeches.

I don’t think we can count on the order of these questions being in the order of how they were meant to unfold, which only applys to questions 4 and 5.

First off, here is the verse from Enoch, Jude seems to be referring to:

Enoch 2:1 Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.

However, since I don’t have the Hebrew translation of the Book of Enoch, I will use a verse from the Old Testament Moses writings for examples of the translation/interpretations of “ten thousands” and “saints”:

Deu 33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands* ((many, increases, million, multiplied)) of saints** ((consecrated, appointed, clean, purified, holy, hallowed)): from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

*ten thousand = 7233 rbabah reb-aw-baw’
from ‘rabab’ (7231); abundance (in number), i.e. (specifically) a myriad (whether definite or indefinite):–many, million, X multiply, ten thousand.
7231 rabab raw-bab’
a primitive root; properly, to cast together (compare ‘rabiyb’ (7241)), i.e. increase, especially in number; also (as denominative from ‘rbabah’ (7233)) to multiply by the myriad:–increase, be many(-ifold), be more, multiply, ten thousands.

**saints = 6944 qodesh ko’-desh
from ‘qadash’ (6942); a sacred place or thing; rarely abstract, sanctity:–consecrated (thing), dedicated (thing), hallowed (thing), holiness, (X most) holy (X day, portion, thing), saint, sanctuary.
6942 qadash kaw-dash’
a primitive root; to be (causative, make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally):–appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy(-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify(-ied one, self), X wholly.

1) Regarding the number of “Ten Thousand” and who they are; we can see that “ten thousand” is not essentially related to a precise number the way it sounds to us. After all the Kingdom of God/Heaven created humans with free will so even though they may know exactly how many seeds they planted, they don’t know how many the thorns or rocky soil or birds will devour. If they did know that there would be no free will. That’s the point of the “judgement time” for people to “choose” who to give their allegiance to, as Jesus said to The Father (God) of the Kingdom of God in the literal heavens OR to Mammon (human wealth in all it’s forms, mental and material, behavior and ways).

Thus one would naturally lean to the general translations, a primary one being listed as, “many” even with the characteristics of “increase and multiplicity”, the way Jesus spoke about the yield of the “garden”. In fact one might wonder if this use of “ten thousand” from the Hebrew ‘rbabah’ from ‘rabab’ is actually speaking about those who have just purified themselves and thus ARE THE INCREASE or the YIELD from the first fruit harvest. One might replace “ten thousand” with “increased Tribe/Family” since “thousand” is used that way a great deal in the Old Testament as shown below in this document.

Here we see in the parable of the way the Kingdom of God/Heaven are “gardeners” spreading seed…

Mar 4:8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased*; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.

*increased = 837 auxano {owx-an’-o} a prolonged form of a primary verb; TDNT – 8:517,*; v
AV – grow 12, increase 7, give the increase 2, grow up 1; 22
1) to cause to grow, augment 2) to increase, become greater 3) to grow, increase 3a) of plants 3b) of infants 3c) of a multitude of people 3d) of inward Christian growth

And note how this Greek word translated to “increase” has to do with growing (in numbers) that also at times relates to a “multitude of people”. Doesn’t multitude also relate to “many” or to a “myriad” that the Greek translators took from previous Old Testament translations of Moses where it’s used in a number of places in the same way.

However with that said, we still don’t know how “many”. And of course there can be thousands of participants in the harvest whether they are some who already graduated into the Kingdom of God/Heaven working for the current harvest which would qualify them as “saints” or those who died for the Kingdom of God/Heaven since the start of the civilization and were back now to assist with one or both phases of the harvest by looking for human vehicles they can interface with, because those humans want to grow closer to their heavenly Father so Our Heavenly Father sends those Souls to those humans who are asking to help them grow and in this case it would be so they can begin to “consider” that the one they believed in named Jesus 2000 years ago had returned using the names that ended up being from the notes of the scale, Do. (Ti and Do said the movie the Sound of Music they felt was given to humans to produce to be a type of smelling salt to them. We watched that movie many times in my 19 years in the group).

With that said of course there can be literally “thousands” of participants, whether on the ground incarnate or in a nearby cloaked spacecraft or even in Soul or Spirit form, in the overall Two harvests of Rev 14 detailed below and depicted by Jesus’ reference to how he had at his command what appears to be thousands (legions):

Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

where a legion is translated as:

3003 legeon {leg-eh-ohn’} of Latin origin; TDNT – 4:68,505; n f AV – legion 4; 4 = 1) a legion, a body of soldiers whose number differed at different times, and in the time of Augustus seems to have consisted of 6826 men (i.e. 6100 foot soldiers, and 726 horsemen)

But as to the number harvested this time; Of course everyone is familiar with the Rev 14 depiction of 144,000 though as can be shown there are all kinds of ways to break up that depiction as the word “thousand” (shown below) often simply means “family” and/or “tribe”, thus 100 and 40 and 4 (of that tribe (children of Israel)). It is simply not biblical to think there are 144,000 in the first or second fruit harvest though can certainly be possible, yet humans may not SEE those numbers. Below some examples of the use of numbers in these regards.

Here are some related verses:

Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand (times) ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Remember “thousand” is a family, a clan, a tribe, a group and can be a general 1000 or “many”

This sounds very much like this:

Enoch 70:10 And I beheld angels innumerable, thousands of thousands, and myriads and myriads, who surrounded that habitation.

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of ((1537 ek= denotes origin, after, from, among)) all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Note how this verse indicates this number came out OF the tribes of Israel so it could have actually meant 12 came from each of the clans/families that came from the entire “tribe”.

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

Note: These have His Father’s name written in their foreheads. How come the Father didn’t have a name when He was incarnate as Jesus? When Jesus taught his students to pray, he said, Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be* ((to make and be holy)) thy name…

*Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be ((37 hagiazo= to make holy, be holy)) thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Since this was a prayer given to the students to use as a idea of how/what to communicate to their Heavenly Father, Jesus would have had them asking to be made pure (holy) while the way this is worded it’s like acknowledging the Father is pure/holy. If we are praying to Him doesn’t that tell Him what we think about Him? Also the individual would be asking to come into His kingdom, not asking for his kingdom to come back so much. And they would want “thy will be done” meaning that they would want to do His will. It’s their asking to do His will not just saying we want his will to be enacted over the human kingdom on Earth as many think of this. Jesus wasn’t teaching us to pray for the world. He was teaching us to pray for ourselves in relationship to our growing into Their family which requires us to know what They would have us do. In the next verse where it says, “give us this day our daily bread”, that wasn’t asking for food for the body. Jesus told us that his/their students did not have worry about where they were going to get their food from or what they should eat. This “bread” was the nourishment to our mind that we need to take in/absorb (eat) every day. Thus he was saying to ask to know His Mind, his thinking, his behaviors and ways.

Here is another clue as to the number’s being low where Jesus indicates many soul seeds are planted, but of course what may seem like “many” and “few” to the Kingdom of God/Heaven versus human ideas are certainly going to be different just like time periods are different, (i.e. a day in the Kingdom of God/Heaven is like 1000 years on Earth for humans):

Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Note the indication of a first and last fruit harvest where those who think themselves “first” are “last” (because of the way the Kingdom of God/Heaven gifts the preparation to different ones at different times.

Some practical thinking about the number based on Jesus student body size:

For those being harvested, one could suspect that the first fruits would be a small number as Jesus only had 12 original disciples (not counting the female disciples who for various reasons were not up front in that society, though some of which may have in fact been further along towards their eventual “soul/spirit birth” than those who got the spotlight. Then there were 70 Jesus sent out:

Luk 10:1 After these things the LORD appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.

Which as was recorded as “also” brings the total number to 84 students.

Then after Jesus exited by taking his physical body into that cloaked spacecraft, as they don’t just float around outer space, about 120 were counted:

Act 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

SUMMARY OF HOW THE NUMBERS CAME ABOUT IN TI AND DO’S GROUP:

Incidentally, the first two private meetings Ti and Do gave in Los Angeles yielded a number in the mid 20’s. Ti and Do at that point didn’t think they were going to have followers but these wanted to go with them so they said they could meet them in the next area to which they were traveling.

By the time the group had done another 10 meetings (Ti and Do’s third); in the San Francisco bay area at Stanford (held by students only) and Canada College (held by Ti and Do but filled the auditorium twice back to back, their first public meeting) and then in what became the famous Waldport, Oregon meeting (Sawyer joined from), (that Ti and Do spoke at) then 4 student run meetings on the same day/time in Ft. Collins, Boulder, Golden and Colorado Springs, Colorado followed by one follow up meeting given by Ti and Do at Arapahoe Community college in Denver actually resulted in 70 students when arriving at Chicago when the Network News “subdued” Ti and Do by announcing the names of the human vehicles they inhabited and told of the misunderstanding that resulted in a felony conviction (plea bargain to not have to wait for trial after being in jail for 6 months) of car theft (thief in the night) though they didn’t steal anything in actuality. Then by the end of the harvest announcement by Ti at a college in Manhattan, Kansas on April 21, 1976 and a subsequent gathering of the entire student body in the “wilderness” of Wyoming, at Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National Forest east of Laramie, Wyoming I recall a count of 96 but Do spoke about in a little booklet Do wrote entitled “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Crew” as “about 100”. Then a couple months later, after Ti and Do sent 19 away from the group saying they weren’t ready because some were still wanting to smoke pot and/or have sex, etc., and some that left for their own reasons the numbers were back down to the 70’s. Then there was further filtering out of those who were still along for the idea of a ride on a UFO, or had decided if such didn’t come to pass by a certain time, they were going to leave followed by Ti and Do doing things to test students resolve, like sending students to visit the families they left behind (if they wanted to and knew that the family members still sought to know what had happened to them, since we were almost entirely without family relationships for 10 years) that eventually stimulated some to leave. And then some who didn’t want to learn certain lessons like “I could be wrong”, a lesson to help us transfer our confidence from ourselves to our Older Member were arranged to leave followed by talk of the possibility of allowing students to choose to be castrated, something Jesus indicated was not out of the question when it FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD/HEAVEN (OLDER MEMBERS):

Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

This idea is related to:

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

This is showing that to the Next Level the human body is what we must grow to be willing and able to sacrifice TO graduate because the Next Level will assign each graduate a new body and since all human bodies die anyway, though it should never be a trivial or causal or poorly thought out sacrifice, it was in line with the overall overcoming of our humanness to be willing to give it all, as Moses and Jesus reaffirmed was the first commandment.

Then since some had grown comfortable in our great communal lifestyle and since because a number of the classmates had well paying jobs in the world so that we had some funds, Do offered $1,000.00 to anyone who wanted to leave.

The numbers ended up in the mid 20’s by 1992 when Do felt to provide another public offering of he and Ti’s information, which took the form of informational ads in USA today, and many alternative type newspapers, a video series and then the second face to face meeting tour by the student body. (Do never did give another public meeting after he and Ti said they were done in 1976).

From all this some former students who had dropped away and were still in touch asked to rejoin and some new members joined from the face to face tour and then I left and some of the new members left when we began talking seriously about laying down our lives as it was apparent by then that the lower forces were not going to instigate our exit. My dropping out was not because of talk of taking it upon ourselves to exit. I was still clinging to too much of a “spiritual” sense of being special and began to have too much confidence in myself and my self discipline while at the same time was being subtly deceitful about my discipline against sensual permissiveness – what I would allow my eyes to look at and what thoughts I would not abort as quickly as I needed to do to keep my vehicle from getting a little stimulated from. I even asked Ti who was outside her vehicle by then for a harder task “like Do’s” which showed 18 years with them and I still had an illusionary idea of what it took to perform a task like Ti and Do’s. So as I see it, Ti took me up on it and opened a “gate” that let a Luciferian influence that was one of Do’s “boogers” (what Ti and Do called these fallen angels in evil spirit form) influence me and I caved immediately and over nearly the next year could not recover. I did not even have the desire to recover. It’s like my balloon was completely deflated and I was masturbating and hiding the fact. But Do soon saw that I was out of sorts so I surfaced my “missing of the mark” (sin). After the 1974 nine month tour of the U.S. and Canada holding public meetings I was still indulging in self stimulated sensuality and I no longer had the “overseer” types of tasks I had become accustomed to having because of, but Do then offered to give me a new overseer task partnered with one of the female students and I said I couldn’t do it, the first time I chose to not follow my Older Member’s instruction. Do then asked me what I wanted to do and I said, I had to leave and he said, “to become more objective!”. Do then told the students not to try to talk me out of leaving and the next day they gave me $600.00 and a plane ticket to Arizona where I said I wanted to go. But all in all, by the time of their exit in 1997 there were 38 students plus Do and after their exit four former students also layed down their lives at different times in the next year bringing the number up to 42 students.

This brings to light on the meaning of 42 in:

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This refers to 42 who “tred under foot” as Month has more than one meaning. 3375 and 3376 are both listed as “men”, pronounced “mane” with one meaning month like the time frame and the other “a particle of affirmation; assuredly, surely to indicate 42 people who had made their covenant.

So that is a general overview of the way the numbers fell in Ti and Do’s group.

Here are some verses that use “thousand” that actually is being used as a number:

Genesis 24:60 And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands* of millions**, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.

* thousands = 505 ‘eleph eh’-lef
prop, the same as ”eleph’ (504); hence (the ox’s head being the first letter of the alphabet, and this eventually used as a numeral) a thousand:–thousand.

** millions = 7233 rbabah reb-aw-baw’
from ‘rabab’ (7231); abundance (in number), i.e. (specifically) a myriad (whether definite or indefinite):–many, million, X multiply, ten thousand.

Exodus 12:37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand* on foot that were men, beside children.

* thousands = 505 ‘eleph eh’-lef
prop, the same as ”eleph’ (504); hence (the ox’s head being the first letter of the alphabet, and this eventually used as a numeral) a thousand:–thousand.

Mind you, the word “ten” is not actually listed but was added as a part of the definition of the Greek “murias”. It appears the mention of the verse in Enoch 2:1 by Jude influenced the translation though the phrase “ten thousand*” is used in the Old Testament as:

07233 r@babah {reb-aw-baw’} from 07231; TWOT – 2099d; n f
AV – ten thousand 13, million 1, many 1, multiply; 16
1) multitude, myriad, ten thousand

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands* of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

*ten thousand = Greek 3461 murias moo-ree’-as
from murioi – murioi 3463; a ten-thousand; by extension, a “myriad” or indefinite number:–ten thousand.
3463 murioi moo’-ree-oi
plural of an apparently primary word (properly, meaning very many); ten thousand; by extension, innumerably many:–ten thousand.

But this verse in Jude is actually referring to:

Enoch 2:1 Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.

This same kind of expression is used in a number of places in the book of Enoch and Revelations and in this one below points out how varied the terms are. But also, in the Old Testament, the translation to “thousand” could have equally been translated to “tribe” or “family”. With that in mind, one could see it saying a 1000 tribes or representatives from 1000 tribes, but in any case it seems that there are a large number seen or coming back with the Lord.

Enoch 40:1 After this I beheld thousands of thousands, and myriads of myriads, and an infinite number of people, standing ((standing up for)) before the Lord of spirits.

This usage in particular really through me for a loop at first. Note how the English word “thousand” and “thousands” are two very different Greek words. The words in single parentheses (…) were some of the words added by translators. I put my re-translations into double parentheses ((…)) and opinions in brackets […].

Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts ((2226 zoon=living beings, a mistranslation confusing it with Greek 2342 therion=venomous wild dangerous animal, what is let out of the bottomless pit, a reference to a Luciferian fallen angel [today’s space aliens]))) and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand* (times) (ten) thousand*, and thousands** (of) thousands**;

* thousand = 3461 murias {moo-ree’-as} from 3463;; n f
AV – ten thousand times ten thousand 2, two hundred thousand thousand + 1417 2, innumerable multitude 1, ten thousand 1, innumerable company 1, fifty thousand + 3902 1, thousands 1; 9
1) ten thousand 2) an innumerable multitude, an unlimited number 3) innumerable hosts

**thousands = 5505 chilias khil-ee-as’ from cilioi – chilioi 5507; one thousand (“chiliad”):–thousand.
5507 chilioi khil’-ee-oy plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:–thousand.

In any case, it appears that one could expect these to be a lot, perhaps related to the 100 and 40 and 4 thousand and/or tribes and/or families.

Ti and Do said that the Evolutionary (not Darwinian) Level Above Human, their phrase for what the scriptural records referred to as the Kingdom of God and/or Kingdom of Heaven, what they also called the Physical Kingdom in the literal heavens as the term “heaven” means “elevated areas” (above the ground of the Earth, thus sky and near to outer space are all covered, but it’s an environment that is in total where members of this Next Evolutionary Level abide/dwell, are employed.

It is Next Evolutionary Level, because the Human Kingdom is a stepping stone for Souls to have the chance to “evolve” by being given opportunity and thus choice plus hands on direction of every step from incarnate Older Member(s) (Heavenly Father(s)) of that Next Level. Use of plural is because the Father/Jehovah was to Jesus and to Jesus’ students their Heavenly Father, while Jesus is to his students also a Heavenly Father WHEN he is not incarnate because then He is in his heavenly abode that Ti and Do said was a physical spacecraft.

So I suppose this question may be related to my saying that the Heaven’s Gate group consisting of the Two, Ti and Do, plus at their exit time, 38 plus 4 who exited by laying down their lives in the year following March 21-23, 1997 totaling a mere 44, was the first fruit harvest as depicted in Rev 14:

Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Note: This does require loss of their physical bodies, the “stalks” of the wheat the sickle illustration is required to CUT down to reap the content of it’s “head” the Soul (fruit).

It will be noted in the 2nd Harvest phase that there is the same necessary loss of physical life by severing of the “vine”, but that the vine’s fruit needs to experience “giving their blood” as part of that harvest process. This is equivalent to the way Jesus disciples knew they would have to give their lives “standing up for Jesus and what he taught” knowing since he was hated, they would be too so unless they kept their “light” under the bushel basket, they would be drinking (consuming/taking in/accepting) the same cup (task) of shedding their blood. Those who become disciples of Ti and Do now are like those who heard about Jesus from the ones who were physically with Jesus and believed. Belief alone was enough to qualify to be “saved” for a future opportunity to overcome the human evolutionary kingdom (world), while some who would also choose to serve would learn what Do gave as instructions to be his student. That instruction was to “stand up for Ti and Do and disseminate the information they left behind and accept what comes as a result (though not looking to stimulate that result, but not hiding from it either).

However, this still does not explain “thousands” coming back or a myriad or even just many as 42 is hardly many in most people’s mind. But that number being the first fruit is not the total number of Soul seeds planted/deposited by the Next Level in the NEW temple area of the Earth, (mostly the U.S.). Plus the verse indicates this number are returning to exercise the judgments of those who chose not to believe in Ti and Do when they had many chances.

Ti and Do told us that there were “thousands” of members of the Next Level, not millions or more. They didn’t get any more specific. They also said upon graduation many if not all of these members would actually have a celebration. However, these potential “thousands” are already Members of the Next Level so don’t need the human(caterpillar) cocoon to chrysalis (christening) experience to become a “butterfly” again, but there are many tasks associated with this harvest as They want to give most every human who could qualify the chance to say yea or nay to Ti and Do. Ignoring the decision is “lukewarm” and is a distasteful nay to the Next Level Older Members.

To satisfy all prophecies one must be willing to consider that the “second coming” occurs in two stages, the return (incarnate) followed by a return not incarnate referred to as “in His Glory” (brilliance, shining like the sun). Do wondered if that finale might involve an armada of Next Level spacecrafts which can be in operation all around us right now but cloaked so well that humans have no way to detect their physical nearby presence. There have been a number of serious events that suggest they are in close proximity. Comets are “signs” the Next Level uses and Comet Pan Starrs and Ison were the last two that I have a number of reasons to believe were the “3rd woe”. Asteroids and meteors are also used by the Kingdom of God/Heaven and starting on Feb 15th 2013 there was a whale of fireball activity, a meteor/asteroid that did major damage to a Russian city, the closest near miss asteroid on record, within the orbit of the Moon and the Pan Starrs comet that showed photograph of a companion object in it’s coma (head), related to Hale Bopp yet also covered up.

Plus there have been many signs in the Sun and Moon, crashing waves, earthquakes and perplexed nations galore plus extremes in drought and cold/hail in the last few years. There have been quite a number of events seen by space telescopes that caused the NASA people to rush into meetings to discuss. Most of these think it’s space alien related but Do said the space aliens really aren’t space aliens as they can’t actually travel very far into outer space though some were allowed to come to Earth via a one way wormhole.

So without laying out the myriad of scripture evidences right here, it does seem apparent that when we see Do and Crew in the sky/heavens that will be satisfying those prophecies that spoke of seeing “Jesus” return with Power/glory, which will be apparent and those who have not familiarized themselves with the real Ti and Do as opposed to the media “Ti and Do” to decide to believe in them or not, will be put to a final test at that time.

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4 Responses to “Jude 1:14 “ten thousands…saints” come – actually= “many/myriad” verses Ti&Do’s 42”

  1. TMMODY Says:

    Do you believe Walton Gayson? He said Herf contacted him on the night of the murders… Walton was a member of heaven’s gate… but I don’t know if he was an ODY… Herf was paying for Walton’s apartment…

    The 3 murders occurred on the night of the phoenix lights… Walton says that aliens took the 3… I mean, this is right up your alley, brother Sawyer.

    Did the murders expedite Herf’s decision (less than 2 weeks later) to have the entire group commit suicide?

    Walton was held for 15 year WITHOUT TRIAL… by the Air force … no trial because they thought it would compromise US security?

    Who was Walton?

    Also, I’m almost at the end of the released tapes… I need to know who to contact to get the suppressed tapes… I’m not above hacking into shit… I’m a nerd.

    … Radio silence…

    • sawyer Says:

      where does it say Marshall was paying for his apartment. You are one heck of a misinformation burrow, unless I missed something which is possible. Just because that fellow says he was a member doesn’t make it so. There is no proof of that. He even got it wrong to list him alongside wayne cooke when it was rick and wayne that first tried to leave and rick failed to try again in 1998 sucessfully after copying and sending out that audio tape cd’s against the wishes of the two who manage the heavensgate.com web site.

      There were 4 alleged murders. I’m not your brother in any respect. In any case if in some big stretch that I will explain later gayson had telephone contact with marshall then I am 100% sure by countless evidence that their laying down their lives had nothing to do with the phoenix lights and/or gayson. This story was 90% or so manufactured and I can and will prove much of it.

      I didn’t realize it was an air force federal prison.

      then hack into that phony balony website: and tell me who is behind it in case it is an x-member who has a grudge against ti and do. http://www.crymightily.com

      If you want to help me find out how he died and then gave an interview from the jail.

      Also can you find out when gayson was “overseas” and was it related to the vietnam war. How could he be 51 or 52 in 2014 and be a vietnam vet when the vietnam war was over on March 29, 1973 when The last U.S. troops are withdrawn from Vietnam. That would have made him 12 years old when a vietnam vet.

      There are so many holes in this story it’s bizare to believe anything reported. But it’s interesting how many missing people they have had since march of 1997 during the phoenix lights and thousands of cattle mutilations as well where organs are removed typical of reports all over the west US in the 1970’s. And by the way walton killed himself twice both on may 21st 2011 and 2013 and there doesn’t seem to be a typo of the date because of when each was posted. This reporter seems to be just a hack throwing stuff together to make deadline and enjoying sensationalizing or is intentionally spreading disinformation. In one article he shows a pic of the heaven’s gate suicide scene when gayson was allegedly found dead and says nothing about heaven’s gate but then mentions now someone set fire to himself in Tunisia and how there were copy cats in north america suggesting this as one of those…plus the police went to gayson’s apartment that was on fire reported as: “Police say they arrived at Gayson’s residence at 6:10 p.m. and the building was already on fire. Gayson’s van was in the driveway, the doors were unlocked but no one answered. Concerned for his safety, fire officials entered the house and found Gayson, 52, in the living room.”

      So what did they do Knock or call out to him or ring the doorbell while the house was on fire. I suspect this reporter is on drugs on the job and just says whatever comes to his mind, especially with this story. Again, you have brought my attention to a story I am glad to be aware of but is hardly worth more of my time than I already have given it but at least I can debunk those that may still bring it up.

      But I don’t doubt that 4 men died in the desert and doubt it was bears and doubt gayson did it. You will think this obserd but I suspect the space aliens abducted them for their viral hormones and/or U.S. black budget programs that I know are considered by you to not exist.

  2. Grant Mason Says:

    I also saw this report on the news back in 2013. I’ve been following this story for a few years, and I remember seeing the video. Mr. Gayson’s exit video was posted online for a while, but I can’t find it anymore.

    They also said he left other tapes. Did he send these to the other members? Do you know what evidence he had?

    //–Grant–//

    • sawyer Says:

      Where was gayson’s exit video posted? What did it say to your memory exactly? What other members are you referring to. If you read my exhaustive report on the gayson story posted on this blog you would know that there is zero evidence that he was or every was a member of the group. Did you see the dozens of clear holes I punched into all the allegations. A member of the group would never light themselves on fire. That was the solar temple murders and alleged suicides that did that to others after they were shot in the head after they were drugged. Gayson had no evidence of any relationship to Do (applewhite) and the allegations in those articles from that totally irresponsible reporter who changed his stories from my comments is clearly part of the conspiratorial framing job.

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