There will NEVER be a legitimate SECOND Heaven’s Gate group/cult during this civilization

There have been attempts afoot to stimulate thoughts about a “second group”. These have been going on in various ways for some years now and have no basis in anything Ti, nor Do, nor any of their graduate students wrote or said.

These arise because the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens love using humans to stimulate lies and deceit against the truth of the Next Level, even by suggesting to new believers in Ti and Do to desire another “classroom” instead of doing the hard work of “standing up for Ti and Do” by disseminating Their information that will also bring about their furthering of their overcoming of human behaviors and ways and cause them to separate from the world that becomes preparatory to starting a future metamorphosis.

There has been continued evidence to even suggest former class member(s) may be propagating these kinds of misinformation efforts. Don’t forget Lucifer was a former class member as were those who dropped out of an Older Member’s Next Level classroom with him. In the case of current dropouts who go against Ti and Do’s Next Level information, behaviors and ways, until they die, they can still change but once they die they will have become just another Luciferian fallen angel until the Next Level recycles them too.

Some new believers are influenced to seek to “overcome the world” which of course has truth in it but how one does that MUST BE ACCORDING TO THE INSTRUCTIONS FROM TI AND DO AND CREW LEFT FOR US TO APPLY instead of creating human led organizations however well intended that become religions that become the primary distorters of the truth as all the religions are today, even though they largely stem from teachings from the Next Level.

No one is prohibited in any way from trying to apply all the lessons taught during Ti and Do’s classroom as best they can that even may entail SEPARATING from their otherwise normal human behaviors and ways like a caterpillar must do by spinning it’s cocoon, making it’s chrysalis to put all their energy into BECOMING (a metamorphosis into) that new creature. No one will complete that metamorphosis without direction from an Older Member who is incarnate with them in an “overcoming classroom” like Ti and Do created and that will NOT be repeating during this civilization. This is the formula in an excerpt from one of Do’s primary spokesperson graduate students that we can count on as read and approved of by Do that is also posted in it’s entirety on heavensgate.com:

“Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure

By Jwnody
…
The formula is the same now as it always has been. To begin a metamorphosis in order to be born into the Next World, you must abandon everything of this world (just as the caterpillar about to become a butterfly must do). You must separate and begin to wean yourself of all mammalian ways – ties and addictions – replacing them with the ways and behavior of a more advanced and refined level of life. You cannot do it by yourself. You must seek, to the best of your ability, the guidance of a Representative who is a member of that kingdom, who has been through the metamorphic process at a previous time, and who has been sent with the specific task of midwifing newborns. Or, at very least, you attempt to connect with an active “student” of a present Representative. This is an extremely rare opportunity, as we approach the End of the Age. There is a tiny remnant left of a window for catching the eye of the “caretakers of this world.”

*** end of excerpt ***

This was written in April of 1996 and there are other places where one can here Do talking about the three categories of humans that will go with them that I won’t post right now but will put together to comprehensively address all they said about these end times after their exit.

Jwnody then went on to report the criteria for being “saved for further planting”:

“In order to get saved for further planting, the overriding requirement is to recognize that this is true (these are the facts). You must believe that we represent the Kingdom that created this planet and all of its inhabitants. And you must be willing to take a stand in defense of that belief, and sustain that stand until the end – your departure – regardless of the consequences.”

Here are the questions that stimulated this post that will bring in some scriptural analysis to complement what Ti and Do taught as it all does:

Q and A about Ti and Do and Crew to include debunking claims of a SECOND Heaven’s Gate group/cult during this civilization.

context: This person was referring to heavensgate.com web site:

1. After I messaged you, I read in a few places that Ti and Do may have wanted the site to act as a sort of preparation for when they decide to come back a second time, so that they may start a second group. Is there any validity to this claim at all?

Sawyer: There is no validity to a claim of a “second group” in the sense of another cult. In other words, neither Ti nor Do or any graduating student with them when they exited will be returning “in-carnel(flesh)” during the current civilization and that’s the only way there could be another “classroom”.

But in terms of a second group of souls to harvest there is scripture that covers and documentation from Do’s crew member Jwnody.

The first harvest of souls are those who were with Do upon their exit and most likley additionally the 4 who laid down their lives by 2000. This is illustrated in Rev 14:14-16*.

The one sitting (having the position/task, described as “like/similar to the “son(offspring) of man (human)”, (Do) is Ti) on the cloud, (the cloaked spacecraft – the “companion object” photographed with Hale Bopp comet, and seen by amateur astronomers as well, that is not evident after the comet comes out from behind the sun, except as a “third tail” that made scientists wonder if the comet had two nucleus), thrust the sickle (gave the exit timing order and approval for them to “exit by dying/killing themselves” the most accurate translation of the Greek “apokteino autos” that is mistranslated in this case as “kill them” in Rev 11:7**).

It is depicted in Rev 14 as “killing the plant”, the stalk is compared to the upright human body. It may not have had to happen the way it did but nevertheless it does happen, especially for the student body by the death of the human vehicle’s they inhabit and take over, that were prepared for them.

*Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

**Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The “second harvest”* of souls is depicted to occur AFTER the first and is different as the Older Member isn’t the one using the “sickle” (the sharp two edged sword of his mouth, that gives the instruction to exit). It’s the humans who are said to “trodden [the wine press] without the city”.

*Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

What I am calling the “second harvest” is listed as a “winepress” that also results in the loss of the physical life for those that “take a stand for Ti and Do”, but it’s by the “press” – the society and/or specific individiuals that see the truth about Ti and Do as a threat against what they believe and act to try to stop it’s dissemination even by violence against those who are disseminating.

I believe this period has not yet been allowed to start but it is building and will become more apparant around the time of the arrival of the “green/pale” horse in Rev 6:7-11.

Rev 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

G.W. Bush was the red horse who brought endless war to the globe and obama is the black horse who has been providing a balancing act between the republicans and demoncratic mindsets and agenda’s and that was set off when obama took office as the biggest financial crisis to affect the world that continues today.

Here is what Jwnody was instructed to explain to us about those who are in this “second harvest”, in their words, those who “get saved for further planting”:

“In order to get saved for further planting, the overriding requirement is to recognize that this is true (these are the facts). You must believe that we represent the Kingdom that created this planet and all of its inhabitants. And you must be willing to take a stand in defense of that belief, and sustain that stand until the end – your departure – regardless of the consequences.”

2. Do you know why the two former members who run the site chose not to be active members in the classroom?

Sawyer: Yes, I was there when they were instructed to leave the classroom because one of them did not want to try to abide by the “lesson step” that was called “I could be wrong”, a step towards accomplishing what Jesus called, “deny yourself” – in other words giving your will to your Older Members as Jesus indicated in his outline of the “Lords prayer” asking for “thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”.

The other of these two simply decided to side with the other. Do and the crew tried to help the one with this but he wasn’t receiving the help so Do instructed them to both take a car and some money and leave the group. However they stayed in touch and they wanted to serve again but not inside the classroom so Do gave them the task to handle the legal affairs and the web sites, though initially Rkkody who laid down his life after 1997 had more to do with making changes on the web site because Do suggested he do so. Rkkody was out of the classroom at that time but believed in Do and wanted to serve so Do would give him tasks to do “in the world” so to speak. Do suggested in a letter that these two enlist him to help with getting things out of the storage locker and putting updates on the web site.

When these two were instructed to leave, they were told they could come back whenever they wanted to abide by the “I could be wrong”. The way the lesson was given was to preface what we say that is a statement of judgement with “I could be wrong”. It would be an extreme to say, for instance, “I could be wrong but it’s pouring outside when it was”.

The one of these two has a very quick mind and attention to detail and he simply trusted his memory and perspective in a way that was not a characteristic of a Next Level Member. It doesn’t mean members are not deceisive and certain about things. They simply grow to know what they know and what they don’t, but in general one can be wrong oft times when they think they are right, so saying this phrase starts to train the vehicle to take a deeper look at what they are saying is a fact as it may not be.

There is more to it but that’s the general idea.

3. What initially drew you to join the group?

Sawyer: Well, looking back it’s like my life had been totally geared to that moment of seeing the first poster. The UFO part was intriguing but NOT important to me. I remember saying to myself, “I wonder what these two might look like” as the poster said:

UFO’S > Why they are here. > Who they have come for. > When they will leave. NOT a discussion of UFO SIGHTINGS or PHENOMENA – Two individuals say they are about to leave the human level and literally (physically) enter the next evolutionary level in a spacecraft (UFO) within months! “THE TWO” will discuss how the transition from the human level to the next level is accomplished, and when this may be done. This is not a religious or philosophical organization recruiting membership.
However, the information has already prompted many individuals to devote their total energy to the transitional process. If you have ever entertained the idea that there may be a real, physical level beyond the Earth’s confines, you will want to attend this meeting.

I was also attracted to the idea that this was different than all the other west coast spirituality groups I’d encountered in that part that says:

“However, the information has already prompted many individuals to devote their total energy to the transitional process.”

4. Is there a reason you decided to stay behind?

Sawyer: I flunked the course I was on but I’ve been given another chance. I have spoken of this thoroughly so here goes:

Below several writings that describe why I left:

PERSONAL NOTE FROM SAWYER:

I was a fully dedicated student of Ti and Do’s for 19 years. I was assigned tasks to help Do with fellow students who were having problems, in which I reported to Do directly about. I sought to give my life. I was prepared to lay down my life with them before I left as we had been directly confronting the idea for years before they ended up proceeding. But still, I was not fully recognizing the reality of the Next Level. I was still thinking about the Next Level and my own participation in a spiritual way that showed I still have my “self” in mind, which needs to be erased and converted to be on firm footing. Jesus called that “denying of self” – which is giving one’s will to ones Older Member. Because this flaw in my complete overcoming of humanness became evident, I was tested and I flunked the test. Ti, while outside her vehicle, as she Exited years before, but I knew it was from Ti, opened a gate that allowed a Luciferian space alien fallen angel to influence me to give in to sexuality and I immediately caved by allowing images in my head, although I had for 18 years before then been quite good (I thought) at self control over my thoughts and had had no self stimulating of myself to give into sexuality before then. And from that day on, it seemed impossible to control and I tried to hide it, which was another falling. I went before my fellow students and exposed my actions but I still could not seem to muster even the desire to restart my self control. So approximately nine months after falling, Do was going to reassign me to the Overseer tasks I had become accustomed to performing for Do but I realized I was too much a hypocrit so for the first time told Do I couldn’t accept the assignment, to which he said, “Then what do you want to do”, to which I said, “I guess I have to leave”, to which he then said, “you want to become more objective”. Do then asked to speak to a fellow classmate, Nrrody to relay to the other students in the crew where I was staying at the time “not to try to talk swyody out of leaving as he knows what he is doing”. I was asked where I wanted to go and I said, “nowhere, just give me a bicycle and I’ll start riding it east”. As we were in California at the time. Do did not agree and suggested staying with former members who still wanted to be in touch with the group but were living in Arizona to which I agreed.

I was given $600.00 in cash and a plane ticket and a few changes of clothing and was on the plane the next day. I couldn’t stay with the former members long as I wanted to re-engage my human styled life and although they were living a full human styled life, we were not compatible in that, so I got a job and a apartment and bicycle and some musical instruments I used to play before joining. It was over ten year later that I realized why I had left them. I had never once disbelieved in Ti and Do and when I reengaged with my vehicle’s family, all the relatives were puzzled that as they saw it, “I got out of the cult” but didn’t see it that way. Then after I started a relationship with a woman and she became pregnant, when the group layed down their lives, even though I still did not want to think of myself as one of their members, I felt compelled to go public to tell what I knew of them as the media didn’t know what to make of any of it and painted these wonderful people as evil or misled by evil, which I knew had zero foundation. So after doings lots of media all over NYC til the 60 minutes show on Easter Sunday of 1997, I went back to my life and helped birth my daughter by a midwife in our home in Carmel, NY and began to have dreams that I was observing the group and in a very, very gradual way over several years til the 9-11 attack that I had premonitions about the night before, “I wonder if we are going to be bombed?”. That was a shocker as I was just 30 miles from ground zero and knew people that worked in the towers that for strange reasons didn’t go to work that day. In any case, I had more and more dreams and eventually wanted to be in Do’s service again but didn’t want to leave my “wife” and daughter and felt that wasn’t an issue now. It took me many years to be able to re-digest this Next Level thinking so I know how hard it is and how it’s bizarre and nearly impossible to consider as reality, but it is reality so I must. However, at one point I asked Do in my privacy if I needed to prepare to lay down my body as they did. He came to me in a dream as clear as if I was sitting right next to him and said to me, “you need to give your life”. This is the way of the Next Level. They always give us options but it is a training program we are working up to completing. Ti and Do called it at one point, “God’s Astronaut Training Program”. Thus I am attempting to “give my life” and am willing to give it by telling about my experiences far and wide and accepting the negative backlash that may in fact eventually require my physical life. I do not look forward to that time but can’t think of a better way to go than being in service to my Heavenly Fathers, Do and Ti.

Even though I left because I suddenly gave in to masturbation after 18 years without an incident and thereafter couldn’t seem to get my control back, which is another topic of discussion that I have shared the details of on my blog, sawyerhg.wordpress.com, that was after I wanted to be castrated a year or so before that Do cancelled my option for at the time, I can see now that I wasn’t ready to have that biology relieved from my overcoming because I hadn’t developed enough of my Mind Muscle to keep that “serpent force” at bay relative to my realistic view of the entire task. I was still up until my last days with them, subconsciously thinking of how the entire classroom was adding stature to me, a spiritual idea and the opposite way a prospective member of the Next Level must think to qualify as it’s not for self that we gravitate to serving our Older Members, it’s for them having recognized the value of all they stand for and teach so it becomes an honor to be considered to join their crew. I wasn’t consciously thinking this way. It took me 10 years after leaving to see why I left.

Another aspect to why I left that I had written to someone:

When I said my masturbation had nothing to do with ego, I realized later that I had told you and others that the reason I left was because I hadn’t learned that my ego had not yet been deflated as is necessary to become “as a child” and selfless and to not carry any humanness into the Next level to be an individual for the first time. Had I fought off the influences that came over me, then perhaps I could have made headway over my remaining ego. Or had I fell and immediately surfaced it and sought help, perhaps that would have been a way to have overcome my ego as well as battle the sensuality. But I guess I was too proud to expose it even though it was deceitful to hide it even for an hour and I hid it for a number of days with repeated infractions which was breaking another major offense. I would say my embarrassment and failure to expose my slippage was ego related even though I didn’t even think about it. But the slippage itself was due to simply not having as strong a control over my thoughts as I thought I had, though the way I dealt with it was where the ego came in. Maybe you meant it that way so I guess you were right though I don’t think giving into sensuality in and of itself is an ego issue. The way ti had described what would keep me off the spacecraft was as “a little too pleased with self” and “likes to be seen as something special”. I don’t see how giving into sensuality with myself is the result of being too pleased with myself though not reporting it I can see as not wanting to be seen as “lessor” thus the opposite of being seen as something special. Anyway you got me thinking about it. But where my ego really stood out was what I believe caused Ti to open the gate of influences to expose me to one that would have been a caliber that Do had to deal with, was when I asked Ti who was outside her vehicle and Do gave us permission to talk to, and I asked her for a task like Do’s – a greater challenge and faster growth. Nothing wrong with asking for faster growth but tying it into Do’s task showed I didn’t know what Do had to deal with, and I already by then showed a confidence in my own mind that Do had pointed out a short time before that, was “competing with him”. That was the “ego” (self speaking).

5. Do you know if there are any plans to update the site ever, or will it stay in its current form for as long as it’s around?

Sawyer: I hope it stays in whatever form is closest to the way they left it. I am aware that these two former members have added the selling of the book and tapes the group published but that these two foot the bill for having republished, that they are thereby selling. I don’t disagree with selling as they put the money into their publishing them. The information is provided for free on a .zip file downloadable on the site last time I checked.