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Gizmodo: “Online legacy of a suicide cult and the webmasters”…misinformation, lies and deceit

September 23, 2014

Before going piece by piece through the misinformation, lies and deceit in this article, I want to say that I find no fault with the author, that is unless she disallows my comments posted on this piece and issues no corrections, pending of course looking at my sources to verify. That would be the responsible thing to do.

In any case, from the many comments on this article, as is the positive that comes from it as the truth about Ti and Do and all they said and did is before the public eye again it is apparent that because of time and all that’s happened in the world that more are ready and eager to learn the truth.

The truth isn’t important to know because then people might flock to Ti and Do because the truth is actually harder to handle than the mistruth just as it was for people to accept what Jesus really taught because of how their teachings were actually ultimately anti-humanistic and anti humanistic is not profitable to drawing lots of believers. The Next Level doesn’t plan on lots of believers, though if by chance there were, they would have plenty of ways to accommodate them all, I’m sure.

Now that’s not to say Jesus was teaching to be be anti-human. To the contrary his teachings were designed for us to show our Heavenly Fathers how much we respected them and their creation by not doing anyone harm and treating one another as we too wanted to be treated. This was the “second greatest commandment” and was the stepping stone to abiding by the number one qualification to graduate to heaven, to “love the lord you God with ALL your heart, ALL your Mind, ALL your Soul and ALL your efforts while still abiding by the secondarily commandment of treating/loving others as ourselves. it was a stepping stone because it began to take us our of our innate animal SELF indulgence that members of the Next Level have none of and don’t miss either.

That love was not a physical touchy feely love but a love that encompasses all the feelings, thus with all our senses, but in the ways they find compatible with membership in their kingdom, thus not in any kind of sexual way because they have no sex in their kingdom. That was part of their animal creation so we were designed to grow to choose to discard our animal characteristics that includes pro-creation entirely for the few they seed to recognize Them and who seek to put themselves in their hands.

Thus even the negative becomes good in that it provides the option (free will)  to dis-believe the truth when it’s provided to us. It’s good therefore because it also then separates people into the corners they want to be in. Of course the misinformation will proliferate and is necessary to the provision of complete free will, which Jesus spoke about while saying that even still, “woe to those that become the instruments of that evil”. And evil is the promotion of less options. It’s the removal of opportunity to grow towards the real physical many membered Level Above Human, and doing so by fostering misinformation that are made up of lies.

Of course one of the most effective ways to try to stop something is by appearing to be supportive of it, while leaving out the core that is it’s engine and then slowly twisting that core to make it moot.  This happens all over the world and it’s probably safe to say all so called intelligence organizations become somewhat masterful in the methods of diluting and removing what the truth reveals.

Also before getting into the specific misinformation, I will confirm that Mark and Sarah were offered the task of handling the affairs of Do and Crew after their exit even though as they were briefed over the last year before the EXIT, they said if I recall correctly that they had no idea they were about to commit what to the world looked like a mass suicide, what to Do and Crew  had become by their own continuous choices over years the recognition that they were simply laying down their borrowed human vehicles. Mark and Sarah were given the task of handling their affairs but in regard to the information they left behind Rkkody and Oscody were primary regarding the web site and Rkkody, Jhnody, Flxody and Neody all received masters of different materials. Do was covering his bets by spreading out the information. This is why Do also arranged to have a web host in Romania ready to publish a mirrored site of which was up for a long time as

According to my various sources to include what Rkkody told me over the phone when Mark was battling with him to keep him from disseminating the audio tapes, Mark and Sarah were freaked out by the groups sudden exit and method as they were not expecting such because they were not in the loop of what the plans were, even though that exit was spoken about as a group many times starting in early September of 1994 after it was apparant that we would not be exiting our vehicles by someone else’s hand.

That’s the path the exit took 2000 years earlier for the same group of souls, which is why some in that student body were fully expecting to lose their vehicles. In fact for me that was my first sense of doubting Ti and Do, so was a test for me because they said in the beginning we would not lose our physical bodies – that they would be picked up by a spacecraft. For a long time they wondered why the Next Level would need to have our physical bodies, but that was what they were instructed to say so they said it. They were true to their instructions from their Older Member (Father in Heaven), even though it was their own Minds that set up those instructions before they came.

For detailed information about all that transpired between Rkkody and Mark and Sarah over the tapes and other subjects, I suggest visiting Crlody’s blog at: .

Report said:

“In 1972, Marshall Applewhite had a heart attack. In some bizarre permutation of the Florence Nightingale effect, he then came to the realization that he and his nurse, Bonnie Nettles, were very likely the two witnesses prophesied in Revelation. Bonnie agreed. The unlikely apocalyptic pair changed their names to Bo and Peep (a natural fit for two long-awaited shepherds) before ultimately adopting the monikers Ti (Bonnie) and Do (Marshall). You know, like the notes of a scale.”

My corrections as I added to a comment in the article:

Thank you for allowing my comments that I hope you do. I don’t care to convince anyone of anything but I do want to set the record straight. Also thank you for using what I said about how Mark and Sarah were told to leave the group in 1997. That is 100% accurate and there is a lot more I could say about it but I’m not really into smearing them as I do respect their efforts to keep the web site alive, but not at the expense of creating more lies and deceit. I don’t know why they won’t just come clean with the truth as I have many times as to why I left and as Carlan (crlody) has as well. Plus they have not disseminated all the information they have and that has been a major point of contention that Crlody and I have with them as we have all the letters Do and Crew sent Mark and Sarah that talks about the things of value in the storage (up to 300 tapes) and their desire that people learn about them in more depth that the tapes can help provide. About 100 of those internal meeting tapes are available but Mark fought like crazy to surpress their availability but fortunately Rkkody prevailed and sent me a copy before he exited his vehicle in 1998 after many battles with Mark over Rkkody’s and Crlody’s efforts to send them to people and universities and libraries for free. Mark tried to get them back and I’ve tried to reason with him over this issue to no avail but at least those 100 or so tapes are the ones with Ti on them so people can actually hear both Ti and Do, their manner. If anyone wants to hear some of those tapes, I put three together on my youtube channel. Here is the address: ​

This talk was given in Blackhawk, Colorado and is in three parts and is about Adam and Eve. It’s very interesting, at least to me and perfectly shows the manner of Ti and Do every day of the 19 years I sat with them (10 years with Ti since she left first, which by the way is in prophecy in Rev 12 that is about Ti and how she gives birth to Do and leave him with the task of the Throne and how the Earth swallow her vehicle up that relieves her of the burden of being the prime target for the Luciferian space aliens to attack).

So here are some of the corrections:

Bonnie wasn’t his nurse. He meet Bonnie in the hospital where Bonnie worked as a premie baby nurse. That’s taking care of premature babies.  He was visiting a sick “MALE” friend and Bonnie was filling in for the nurse that normally worked that department and shift. Do told us this story several times and then wrote about it extensively to correct misinformation in the document entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew” which is available for free download on (last time I checked). This became a contraversy because Terri, Bonnies oldest daughter thought they met at a voice lesson for Bonnie’s younger son that Marshall was giving. Terri didn’t know they had met before that. Plus there was no reason for Do to lie about this which is plain to see  by his writing that he was “visiting a sick male friend”. If anything when he wrote this in 1988 this was the first time I recall his implying that he was a homosexual at that time. Why else would he emphasize “male”. He could have just covered it up. But he knew well the disdain that Christians especially had for homosexuals (because of Paul’s fraudulent teachings as Paul was like a modern day Luciferian space alien contactee. No wonder so many Christians pay no mind to what Jesus really taught. Paul was much easier to handle. Rob Balch is especially guilty of spreading this misinformation about how and where Do met. There are other stories. Rob did some investigation and learned some things but overall had to come up with a hypothesis that other psychologists could easily buy, so concocked his story that ended up in wikipedia that made it look like Do was the prime instigator of all he and Ti came up with or went looney after Ti left because he was embarrassed about his frustrating sex life before he met Ti. Some such nonsense was what people quote to me all the time from academia because they see Rob as the guru of Heaven’s gate lore when he has only the first hand experience from a few dropouts and bystanders. In fact I was one of those dropouts. He came to my house in Stony Brook, NY in 1998 and took about 3 hours of tape of my talking. Before that I met him when Do had me go to Missoula to help him edit a chapter he was writing about the group in 1994. I did the edit and he had so much wrong I think he couldn’t stand to update it all so chose to disregard much of what I said though I didn’t have to make anything up as I was already seen as a brainwashed follower, but I corrected him on every jot and tittle in terminology and events and some of the philosophy, like I am doing now.

Their meeting was over a talk about astrological signs and Do told Bonnie he had wanted someone to do his chart, after learning that Bonnie did charts on the side. What Bonnie didn’t tell him was that she only did charts for people that asked three times and she didn’t tell people that requirement. She wanted to know they were serious before investing that effort. I don’t think she  ever did Do’s chart but I could be wrong about that. That’s another point that Christians say indicates they couldn’t have been the Father (Ti) and Son (Jesus/Do) because they wouldn’t have been into astrology as astrology is from the Devil and again that was because of the choices of the translators of what Paul said. He was a real stick in the mud but gave people the choice of what to believe, though astrology to help one become a more successful human would not be in the interest of the Level Above Human.

And by the way whoever said that the Members of the Next Level Above Human don’t have physical bodies was spreading total misinformation. Physical bodies are talked about all the time in the records, as “raiment, or one’s temple or as a robe” because that’s what they are to a Next Level member, a vehicle the Soul puts on or is put into by the Next Level technicians. Do said he left his Next Level body in a “closet” on the spacecraft he was on and he said Ti (Peep) didn’t need to put the body she was wearing in a closet because she had grown to be able to have more than one vehicle so could still perform tasks on the spacecraft while part of her Mind went to the Earth to take a human body they had prepared for their arrival, which they said happened in the 1920’s.

It took Bo and Peep over a year to believe they were the Two Witnesses of Rev 11. Bonnie didn’t agree as if Marshall was the driving force. Bonnie was always the driving force, so much so that in the beginning she pursued working with him and he told us he wondered at that time if she was “interested in him” as in a relationship, which he said he didn’t want any part of as he was not physically attracted to her. And besides he had been living as a homosexual for some time when they met, though when they met he was fed up with trying to find a partner that wanted more of a committed relationship so wasn’t looking for any relationship. He had been married years before that and had children but was estranged from them. Bonnie was married and had four children and her husband thought they were having an affair and they had to get a court order to keep him away from Applewhite as he threatened his life. Ultimately both their friends, which Applewhite had many of as he was an Opera singer with the Houston Grand opera as a lead soloist Baratone for productions like Oklahoma. He used to eat lunch with Dan Rather of CBS News as their office was accross the street from St. Thomas University where Applewhite was a professor of music and led the large choral ensembles. Bo and Peep didn’t become their names until 1975. The gave their first formal talks in Los Angeles, “the city of angels”, what I say is the New Jerusalem at a private residence in North Hollywood, – the “valley of vision” that Isaiah referred to Jerusalem as – vision=movies perhaps.and The Valley became an area nickname. From that meeting and another at the same place the next day, over a dozen wanted to join with them which was an un-welcomed surprise to them. They hadn’t at that point considered that they would have followers. But they went with the flow and agreed and told them to meet them at a campground a ways north. These were required to leave their lives behind and there was an assortment of new believers who had careers and relationships and family like anyone else. They were by far not all hippies. In fact most of those who were hippies and joined later didn’t stay very long. It was an attractive idea as long as they could smoke their pot and  still have sex, which Bo and Peep would not tolerate. But it was in the first camp that the new students asked them what to call them and they said somthing to the affect of, “well since we now have sheep we must be Bo and Peep”.

They didn’t use arsenic. It was phenobarbitol and some vodka with the applesauce and they insured that they would not wake up by putting a plastic bag over their heads. The authorities reported no evidence of struggle or pain and discomfort. They said they all seemed very much at peace. Those were their words. I was in the group when we decided to exit in this way. Do spent several years considering it and spending time with each student. And several students left when it was first brought up. I was also present for the first castration. I was supposed to be the second one but Do cancelled my option due to a minor complication in Srrody’s. Lvvody who was a registered nurse who worked for an orchectomist for many months removing cancerous testicles did the castration but it didn’t drain properly so his sack got as large as an orange and Jnnody, Lvvody and I took Srrody to a nearby hospital and I went in with srrody and they easily fixed it. But because of that Do questioned proceeding with mine. I’ve written about all this on my blog and youtube channel in great detail. It was totally optional and Srrody and I had pressed Do for the option for at least a year before that. On the surface I left because I gave into sexuality in my head and began masturbating after 18 years of not even coming close. It was because I had become too confident and my ego was growing to where I thought I could handle a task like Do’s. Wow was I wrong and Ti from outside her vehicle let me have a taste of what he dealt with from the discarnate lower forces and I fell like rock in water and didn’t even have the strength to want to get back on the celibate wagon.

Mark said: “They trained us on how they wanted emails to be taken care of, how to relate to the public, and how to disseminate their information. In March, 1997 our task load increased as they delivered us all their physical, legal, intellectual and personal property over several days as they departed.”

They did not deliver them all their intellectual property. In fact they did not deliver them any of their intellectual property according to the letters they got. They sent the master video tapes of the Beyond Human Series to Jhnody who was in Venezuala. And the sent the master Exit Tapes to Rkkody. And they gave Rkkody and Oscody the diskettes with the entire web site on them with the information about the mirrored site provider. They also sent exit videos to CNN. They sent letters to Neody (Rio) and Rkkody and Jhnody and perhaps Flxody and Ablody. The hundreds of audio tapes were in a storage room they rented and they gave Mark and Sarah the key but said in the letter they sent them if they were uncomfortable going to the locker they could have Rkkody and Oscody do it, which is what Mark and Sarah decided to do, which is how Rkkody got that tapes.

Ti’s exit by death did NOT “cement” that way to exit in Do’s mind as Rob Balch likes people to think. In fact when the movie cocoon came out he wondered about all going out on a boat to get picked up or to sink the boat as an exit. He even bought a large yacht that we docked near Houston and had a crew go there to fix it up that he eventually sold. Then when we sold everything again and bought tents and trailers and moved into the Phoenix desert, we fasted on air for one day and then Do added water and we continued for 12 more days before Do felt to break the fast. What some didn’t seem to register but I and others were very clear about, was that we were considering exiting by fasting IF Ti didn’t pick us up first. After we broke the fast we moved closer to Yuma with the camp and Do felt to wait for a spacecraft pickup. Some lights came overhead that were very strange but no pickup. What is interesting about both pickups Ti first scheduled and didn’t happen and then Do’s was how because of the no shows some left the group, even though they were there for years til then. It was realized that they were in the group for the wrong reason so these scheduled exits served as a sorting out of the truly serious. Then when Do decided we needed to “be who we are” in 1987 which was admitting that Do was the return of Jesus and the students were the return of Jesus disciples as promised, we began to think about going public again and perhaps that would be the way we would exit, by another’s hand as happened to Jesus disciples.  It was about that time that I was in Do’s quarters and was helping pack things up for one of our many moves that I saw the book by the Hemlock society. Do then added it our class library and I read it. It talked in detail about all the ways to kill oneself. It looked quite old and used but I don’t know if he had it while Ti was in her vehicle.  Next Do saw what happened to the Branch Davidians in Waco and he wondered if we needed to provoke the authorities to assist in our exit. He even said he might buy a gun and we could load it with blanks. I remember being troubled over the idea as it brought the question to my mind whether or not I would do anything Do instructed me to do, even kill someone which I couldn’t imagine. I decided I’d deal with that prospect if it happened.  I left before they bought a couple rifles in 1995-6 when they were building an earthship in New Mexico where Strody did some target practice with it and this was after we talked about exiting by our own hands in September of 1994 while I was still there. That was at the end of 9 months of giving public meetings in many  cities in the U.S. in which we got bolder and bolder in the titles on the meeting announcement posters saying that He’s Back wondering if we would anger some Christians to do us in. We used to joke about hoping they would shoot straight as Do did not want anyone to be left a vegetable.  Before 1994 he also wondered what would happen if he left first. He almost did in 1988-9 or so when he contracted Rocky Mountain Spotted Tic fever. I visited him in the house he and Lvvody and Jnnody stayed in while the rest of the group was in Boulder and Denver. Do told us he knew that he could just curl up and exit his body and he asked Ti who was outside her body by then if that was an option and he said, Ti said he could if he wanted to. But he decided he needed to follow through with the completion of the task Ti had left for him to complete without her physical presence.

This is not totally inaccurate. It is true that individuality as human beings think of it is not a Next Level way but that doesn’t mean that no one ever does anything alone and there was privacy. For instance we used the toilet and took showers everyday in private. I had a job outside the house where we lived as a number of us had and I was approved to be the driver that would take 3 or 4 to work and then drive myself to work and then pick up everyone on the way back every day. I was alone during those times. But I think wanting privacy was something to overcome and wanting individuality needed to be overcome. It was all about developing crew mindedness and taking self out of the picture.  Ti and Do said that actually becoming a member of the Next Level was in fact becoming an individual for the first time. That was because in the human kingdom we think we are individuals because we wear different color clothing and such but don’t recognize that we are all influenced by many discarnates so even if alone have them as our buddies whether we acknowledge them or not. We are simply containers that are a composite of programming genetically and from our experiences growing up, whereas members of the Next Level have no discarnates and don’t care if they look alike but they know they are individuals so they don’t try to stand out one from another. I imagine it’s like being in the military all with the same haircuts and uniforms and posture and doing the same things yet if you got to know each person you would see a bunch of differences and each one wouldn’t think of themselves as having no individuality and would recognize the power of crew mindedness over individuality.

So here is the article:

After I saw this article above, I got angry at the blatent deceit of Mark in it so I posted this to my sawyer heavensgate facebook page:

I “liked” this article simply because I wanted to send it to my facebook page. This reporter got some major things wrong but surfaced Mark and Sarah’s snowjob, I hate to say but the truth needs to be shown as much as possible. Here’s mark and sarah’s quote in this article, as to why they left. “We left the Group in September, 1987 because we were going to take care of some other things in our lives… Free will and choice are the cornerstone of what anyone does, especially in the Next Level. Individuals in the Group could come and go as those chose to do, and many did just that over the years. We had an open door policy, and it swung both ways. People came and went all the time.”   THESE ARE OUTRIGHT DECEITFUL LIES AND THEY BOTH KNOW IT. THEY WERE BOTH THROWN OUT, CAST OUT, ORDERED TO LEAVE AGAINST THEIR WILL (though they may have wanted to leave, but at that point didn’t let on to in all the HELP WANTED MEETINGS THE “CHURCH” (body of believers) HAD FOR MARK who was the ONE who was GOING AGAINST TI AND DO’S LESSON PLAN AS BEING ADMINISTERED BY DO ALONE AT THAT POINT, while Sarah SIDED WITH MARK). Mark fell and took Sarah with him. I can gather at least four other witnesses to this fact who while in the group, who also left AFTER Mark and Sarah, named, “rthody (michael), hvvody, andody and pmmody whom I am still friends with who at last contact didn’t believe in Ti and Do anymore, but I know would confirm what I said.  According to this article Mark and Sarah were given the exclusive task of disseminating Ti and Do’s information and yet they have held onto the hundreds of audio tapes of Ti and Do’s internal classroom meetings. Thanks to Rkkody who also laid down his life in 1998 about 100 of those tapes escaped Mark and Sarah’s grasp and Crlody, aka Carlan, who is an active disseminater of Ti and Do’s information put them on to provide them AS WAS DO’S INTENTION IN THE LETTER DO SENT TO MARK AND SARAH THAT RKKODY HAD IN HIS POSSESSION AND CARLAN SENT TO ME TO PROVE. The article is full of lies but the writer doesn’t really know any better but Mark and Sarah according to the additional quotes made it sound like they published the USA Today Ad in 1993. I don’t know the exact logistics of who placed the ad in the paper and whether they used Mark and Sarah in anyway for the return address and/or to make the payment of $30,000.00 for that fine typed 1/3 of a page info ad, so that may have been the reporters misunderstanding. Robert Balch is another sower of misinformation galore and I have the inside scoop on him as well as I was assigned by Do to edit a chapter he was writing about the group in 1994. Like many psychologists, he comes up with hypothesis and that to the academics might as well be the fact. It’s like today all the many things happening on the Sun and to the ISS and the moon and with comets and fireballs are “glitches in the video” or russian satellites shooting down ufo’s instead of the signs Jesus said would be apparent now. However, just because Mark and Sarah FELL doesn’t  mean they have to remain FALLEN. They were given another chance, but if they are going to lie about why they FELL and that it was a FALL, what else are they going to lie about. I don’t pretend to judge them at all but I can judge what is a lie and what is not when there is ample evidence. I also FELL as did Carlan (crlody) but neither of us were “cast out”, but none the less we both have chose to STAND UP for Ti and Do with our faces on the line despite our shortcomings and are up front about why we left though are both regularly attacked by the Luciferian space alien discarnates to even pit us against one another. There is a lot more to say. I’ll have to make it a blog post.

VT “Tech Exposure”, Jeff Smith, 9-17-14… “NASA, Bob Lazar’s UFO and the History of Lost Technology”

September 19, 2014

This is all interesting with a nice tongue in cheekiness included yet relativity as well.

The Rev 19 White Horse may be Do returning in the “glorified body” he took into the cloud of light (ufo) spacecraft as Jesus

September 18, 2014

I am NOT suggesting he walks around on the planet in this body and this is not a thorough addressing of the idea yet, as I just came upon a Christian who suggested it was his glorified body which I hadn’t considered til then and it made a lot of sense in that this body is described as being “dipped in blood”, so it would not be that body he last occupied as Do. And it also indicates he is returning in his spacecraft with his armada (my word) being the graduate student body who also have “clean white fine linen” bodies and this is part of the battle of Armageddon which is in progress as it’s a battle for souls but what we don’t see much evidence of is how that has it’s physical manifestation in the way governments are preparing to do battle against what they believe to be the space aliens that space aliens have called the bad aliens which are in reality not the reptilians but are Do (in the Jesus glorified body) and Crew as prophesied by Jesus in the parable of the tares. They are returning to oversee the spading of those humans who have become weeds (which I remind we have no capacity to decide who they are specifically, except to know they exist and are running the affairs of the planet and of course don’t consider themselves weeds and these are also assisting Do and Crew by doing some of the spading themselves). I believe that any innocents that lose their lives during this process, may or may not have their spirits  saved by Do and Crew. That’s for the Crew to decide who they have a relationship with.

For any that think this is all over just because there are quite times or the recycling isn’t obviously in full swing yet, if they are alive in the next years they will see more and more to help them change their minds and those that work for Ti and Do by disseminating their information will be put to greater tests that could result in the loss of their physical bodies in the process which will simply be an acceleration of their own progress toward overcoming their humanness and graduating into Next Level membership. Ti and Do didn’t leave all their information behind just for the heck of it and it wasn’t left behind to start a new church/religion with. It was to provide the truth to those that can still embrace it and choose to. It’s our job to make it available continuously in all ways we can until it’s time for our exit. Those who try to preserve their lives in this world, by keeping their belief to themselves risk losing their life in the next world as Jesus said. I don’t know the criteria exactly for others but for me, I’ve got to tell the truth as much as possible for my remaining time in this vehicle.

With this explanation of the title of this post, here is what brought me to this title and post:

I found this site that provides some good bible study for those that want to examine to see what many Christians are saying about various subjects so one can talk their language better and be able to also address where they may be putting a less accurate meaning to scripture.

So I have included a scripture that I didn’t agree with and why: Here is the text followed by the site where I got it and then my comment I left for the publisher that was a quick rebuttal that included the revealing of Ti and Do as the Father and Jesus returned as the Two Witnesses and some clues as to how they fulfilled prophecy in that regard but is far from all the evidence, but at least this gives some a chance to look into the possibility for their own stakes in their relationship with the Next Level.

Thus the bible teacher I found said regarding the two mentions of a “white horse”, which I actually believe he is correct that the second mention in Rev 19 is referring to a “glorified” return, in other words, in his body from 2000 years ago. He provides the two verses below:

*** Start of Bible Teachers Interpretations:

Revelation discusses two prophetic horses, which are both the same color and seem to represent truth and righteousness. This is the conclusion drawn from several Bible Commentaries (Adam Clarke’s Commentary, JFB Bible Commentary, etc.). The truth is, only ONE of the horses is of God!

2. And I looked, and behold, there was a white horse; and the one who was sitting on it had a bow, and a crown was given to him; and he went out conquering, and to conquer. (Revelation 6:2, HBFV)

11. And I saw heaven open; and behold, a white horse; and He Who sat on it is called Faithful and True and in righteousness He does judge and make war . . . 13. And He was clothed with a garment dipped in blood; and His name is The Word of God. (Revelation 19:11, 13)

Clearly, the horse of Revelation 19 represents righteousness and is rode by a glorified Jesus. The rider is clothed in a garment ‘dipped in blood,’ which is Christ’s own blood shed for our sins, and his name is the ‘word of God,’ which is precisely what the apostle John calls Jesus (John 1:1).

What is the meaning of the first horse? For starters, Jesus does not need to receive a crown, which means GIVEN the power (sometime in the future) to conquer or take control. Christ has ALREADY received the ‘crown’ of dominion over the entire universe (Matthew 28:18, Mark 14:62, Colossians 2:10, etc.). Second, Jesus does not need to conquer anything, as conquering implies a struggle where either side has a chance (however small) of gaining victory. Satan has ALWAYS lost against God and has a ZERO chance of ever winning even the tiniest of battles! He utterly and totally FAILED to get Jesus to sin just one time! In fact, the devil did not have the power to unilaterally lay a single finger against just ONE person (Job 1 – 2), but instead had to ask God for permission! At his Second Coming, Jesus will assert his right to rule over mankind with a display of power the goal of which is to get people to repent (see Revelation 9:20 – 21, 16:9).

The horse of Revelation 6 represents the ability of Satan to deceive and SEEM like he represents God. According to the apostle Paul, one of Satan’s primary tactics is to lead people astray by appearing to be “an angel of light” who represents the truth (2Corinthians 11:13 – 14). He is, however, the father of deception and lies, and a master counterfeiter. In the end time, God permits him (Revelation 11:2, etc.) to deceive all mankind into thinking he is their ‘savior.’ The devil’s goals, however, are to kill ALL true Christians, have humanity worship and obey HIM, and gather an army to FIGHT the return of Jesus Christ (see Revelation 13:4 – 7, 14:11, 16:12 – 16, 17:14 – 18, 19:17 – 21, 12:9)! Paul also tells us that if the devil can appear to be righteous or ‘white’ so can the angels who follow him (2Corinthians 11:13).

The meaning of the two white horses of Revelation are not the same but rather represent two completely different things!

*** End of Bible Teachers interpretation and his website address:

Sawyer’s question/comment to him: (which is unusual that he provides this avenue as many don’t want questions anymore):

Excellent work, but I have one objection that is a question, re: your interpretation of the Rev 6:2 white horse being Satan. I believe you are mistaken that Jesus doesn’t need to conquer anything. He is simply doing it for his disciples, showing them how. When he said, “I have overcome the world” that implies that he had something to overcome and it’s the same word used for “conquer and prevail”. In fact an Israelite is one who prevails as Jehovah – is an overcomer/conqueror. I say the “bow” is both the “covenant” and thereby those who have been covenanted, thus the bride of
christ in the end times. Also, this was the opening of the first seal. The seal is on the book of Rev 5 that the “lion of juda” opens. So Jesus is opening the seal which is the revealing of the truth like you said, which is the word that comes across as a thunderous roar related to the seven thunderous roars of rev 10 during the sixth trumpet when the two witnesses prophesy. So they are delivering the 7 thunders/roars and one of them is Jesus returned in a new “flesh body” (son of man=offspring of mankind(human). The other is the Father. He has a crown because he is birthed to the throne by the rev 12 woman who depicts the Father as Jesus said he and his Father would return and his disciples the returned saints/angels will be able to sit with the father and speak to him directly at that time but the father will leave by the earth swallowing the body he takes meaning his body dies. Also in rev 11:7 the two witnesses are not killed. Apokteino is “separation” (apo) by/from death (kteino) and it’s stated that they are first subdued (overcome) and then separated by death before the nations, tongues which means they are in the media shot down. Dead body meant subduing of their physical bodies in front of the world who would see them as frauds in their claim to be the two witnesses. I believe these were Ti and Do of the heaven’s gate group, so my question is whether or not you might reconsider at least the interpretation of the white horse who is the returned Soul who served as Jesus in a new physical body what is made pure (white), while Do’s body was also named “applewhite”. Satan does come looking white too. That’s what a sheep in wolves clothing is and a false Christ. A Christ is someone who had overcome the human world through the pressing of oil from their abiding by the commandments of God to be worthy of harvest. Each who is of the first fruit harvest must also conquer/overcome as it says in Rev 2-3 to get their own crown and is why the white horse rider conquers and then goes a conquering. Firsts he overcomes his humanness (the body he takes) and then he takes his student body through overcoming the bodies they take to complete their overcoming having conquered 2000 years ago by giving their lives to his service though they had a little more to do as they were not quite ready to graduate yet then. They were the same souls who were with Moses and they were 42 first fruits with Do when they voluntarily laid down their lives as Jesus had said was the greatest love, for him. It was not suicide for them because they were NOT those physical bodies except that they needed to change those physical bodies into vehicles that would serve the Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the literal heavens.

Why the Buddha said to someone there is no God while to another that there was a God

September 16, 2014

Below is a link I found interesting which was part of my study of what Gautama Buddha taught. Do had said he suspected the teachings of the Buddha in regards to renunciation of the world and overcoming of human sensual desires came from the Next Level. I don’t recall him elaborating more than that but Jesus spoke about having “another fold” he was going to tend to after he left and that the two folds would be joined upon his return in the new age. Ti before she awakened completely to her task as Ti, studied Vedic scriptures through the books by Madam Blavatsky the primary founder of the Theosophical Society in NYC. There are many strong consistencies between early Hindu and early Buddhist teachings and there are many students of Buddhism who may appreciate the opportunity to further see those consistencies with Ti and Do’s teachings, behaviors and ways, thus my comment following the link:

What I see many do, is try to apply what was taught thousands of years ago to now WITHOUT including what was taught in between. I believe that the Soul who was incarnate as Krishna was also incarnate as Moses and then incarnate as Gautam Buddha who then was incarnate as Jesus and then showed up, because he didn’t die but took his body with him, in Kashmir or thereabouts because Jesus said he had “another fold” to tend to who would be brought together with him upon his return, which I believe already took place in the names of Ti and Do where Do was that same Soul on the final incarnation for their “garden” project. Thus for the culture of India They, these Living Beings who are Above Human during that time in India when the Buddha awakened to his task of bringing the humans there up a notch in their possible progression towards “graduation” (as the garden is also a school), talking about whether there was a “supreme being” (God) brought a relative answer from the Buddha based on what he felt would help that potential student move to their next grade in school. As the stories go, which are not included in this little article, when an atheist asked the Buddha if there was a God, the Buddha said, “yes”. In the case when a Rama devotee who believed there was a God, asked him if there was a God, he said, “No”. Both answers challenge the student to open their minds to what they don’t know and both responses were honest from the Buddha because of how little ability there was to accurately define what was meant by “god” anyway.

Now the author of this piece used a comparison between what Krishna and Buddha said. It went like this: Krishna says to Arjuna, “Surrender to me, then you will be convinced.” But Buddha says, “Be convinced first, then surrender comes like a shadow. You need not worry about it.”

I believe these are both saying the same thing as “to surrender means you are already convinced” but it’s in degrees of course. One is convinced enough to surrender. It doesn’t mean one doesn’t have questions and doubts about the other. It simply means one is willing to put aside their doubts enough to see if they can be resolved. They are willing to “change their mind” from what they previously thought, which is the definition of “repentance”. No growth of a Mind can occur if something doesn’t change and that change doesn’t have to reverse a previous understanding, it can simply add to that previous understanding, broadening it. So yes, one must be convinced enough first which is the same thing that Jesus was teaching when saying, one needs to believe in me, which by belief he was saying meant “abide in his teachings”. In other words, live his behavior and ways. Do the work. This has become so twisted nowadays, if I say that to many Christians they it’s saying you have to earn your way to belief/studentship to the one who was incarnate as Jesus and they often think that’s like saying you can get to heaven on your own steam, a total misunderstanding of what Jesus was saying by “surrendering to him” as Jesus like the Buddha and like Krishna were teachers to “show humans the way, the path” and they did that by being an example by doing the path themselves. Many don’t want to hear this. They think he did it for us, that is “overcame the world” so we don’t have to, as if we are so great that we get a free ride just because we say the magic words of I believe. And yet, belief in a current representative from the Level Above Human as I say Ti and Do were both, where the Woman, Ti was the same soul who was the Father and Jehovah and probably Vishnu and Do was her “son” may save one’s soul body after they die if they believed they were who they said they were while they were incarnate. And then that saved soul body would be brought back for a new opportunity to further overcome their humanness. But belief includes more than lip service, as Jesus also said but I’ve already overflowed this text box.

Response to a comment saying Ti and Do’s group is seen as just another cult most have forgot about

September 9, 2014

That’s right Todd. it’s designed to provide a choice and it’s never been about attracting large numbers. There may only be 144 actual souls that they designed seats for in various crews, perhaps less, not saying 144 are graduates from the human condition but that 144 gave their lives sufficiently to be given further tasks to do, to where some will receive Next Level bodies and will not have to return to the human condition to overcome any further, while others may be put on ice or given what Do spoke about as “domestic” tasks. And then perhaps the Next Level will only “save on ice” (not literal) some “thousands”, which was a general term for a myriad or even a family or tribe. Thus each tribe may have 12 + a myriad of souls/spirits saved and the rest of the humans and the spirit world will simply run their course of life for however long it is while the Next Level quickly wipes the civilization clean off the face of the planet, though perhaps will keep some genetic stock safe in some ways in certain areas for the next replanting which is depicted in revelations as 1000 years without all the trouble we are only just beginning to see at this time. But you are perfectly right about how most see Ti and Do’s group. For those that believe in Ti and Do, as who they said they were and there many teachings on how to overcome all aspects of the human condition, there will be triggers upcoming (I believe from my prophecy deciphering) that will be like smelling salts that will get some putting more and more effort into telling others about Ti and Do again. The Next Level is not in a hurry and don’t operate in human time so it seems like nothing is happening but of course if one doesn’t want to see what’s happening then they can’t. It’s a choice and it’s off or on. But “on” is in degrees. We are all potentially turning ON brighter and brighter and it’s not easy. I have stepped up my expression of my beliefs in ways I don’t post here in my personal life and because it’s clear I neither want nor need for others to believe what I express about certain events and “signs” as I see them, some are paying more attention to what I suggest. And that is a fully honest expression on my part. It’s a beautiful design when you can work for someone and not have a need or desire for gratification in so doing because the only real gratification comes from our Older Member. Sure it’s nice to hear someone say they see deeper into something you’ve been given to see for a long time, whether it’s related to Ti and Do or not, but there is no sensory uplift from it. It’s strictly a mental uplift of sorts that points to how each human is making their choices to reach for the “light” or not and it’s at their own speed, as is the case with me as well. For some it’s finally seeing the way the food systems have become toxic waste dumps in our bodies. For others it’s seeing how there are so many lies and manipulations of public opinion by all the so called mainstream and alternative sources whether they know it or not that render them untrustworthy of telling the truth, yet at the same time that enables the thirsty for the truth on any subject to crave it and when they crave it, it’s like sending a Morse code signal to the engineers on the spacecrafts that oversee their “garden” operation that says to them….there’s a light turning on over there, so they dispatch a crew to give them some help to find that greater truth and we see another whistle blower that can’t contain themselves any longer coming forward. Like Jesus said, all that is hidden will be revealed, but that didn’t mean all humans will SEE because to SEE they have to want to SEE and that means being open to SEE which means LOOKING at what there is to SEE whether it proves to be more misinformation or not. By seeking, that attention they are given by the Next Level crew begins to provide just a tad more  discernment. They will not necessarily know for certain what the exact truth about a story is, but they will see facets of it that ring truer than other facets that ring false.