Scriptural proof Jesus and his Father return incarnate as the Two Witnesses

Scriptural proof Jesus and his Father return incarnate as the Two Witnesses

Here are two comments I left on a Christians blog that had made a post about the Two Witnesses, saying what is the common understanding that can have a degree of truth behind but is far from the most accurate available because they have not yet accepted the KEY to unlocking all scripture and that is in the teachings and behavior and ways of Ti and Do. I didn’t introduce them to Ti and Do as if they can’t consider or accept my interpretations of scripture they will probably never come to see Ti and Do as the fulfillment of all the scriptures. Sometimes I think it’s unfair to lay too much on some too soon without their asking for more though I have done it many times and as a result was banned from a number of blogs or just would never approve my comment additions to what they wrote.

So I encourage anyone that wants to serve Ti and Do (in my opinion) by speaking to Christians about the Two Witnesses and any other prophecy to examine what I have written. Look up the chapters I referred to and get yourself a way to see the Greek and Hebrew for some of the keywords that can really help to bring out more of what’s there. When you run into spots that are puzzling which I do all the time even going back over verses I’ve examined in great details many times before, keep digging while asking Ti and Do for help and go where you get ideas to go. Sometimes that might take you the many Bible study sites. Here are two I use often:

http://hbible.com/map/  This one is good because it shows a literal Greek translation and has cross references and easy access to geek word meanings from Strongs and Thayers and it’s free.

http://concordances.org/  This one is good for having even more translations and has many Commentaries as well which in some are near worthless while others can be insightful.

Another link to someone who I believe is a leading edge kind of source that has helped me quite a bit is. Most of what he says in this particular article I arrived at without him but he added additional verifications of and in some cases my updating my thinking. I especially believe he’s got the best interpretation of 666 I’ve seen. I asked Ti and Do for help with that and that started me searching and I just so happened upon this site that made the most sense to me. It’s basically saying when written in the roman numeral alphabet D=500 C=100 L=50 X=10 V=5 I=1 – then adds up to 666 and it was Roman Numerals that were used to write 1776 on the dollar bill beneath the Mason Pyramid. He goes into this a great deal which I believe has a lot of merit.

http://www.truinsight.com/IS%20AMERICA%20BAB%20ONE.htm
So here are the two comments made, first to another commenter and then to the author of the article about the Two Witnesses that didn’t claim anything new so I’m not going to include it as my response sort of shows what I am claiming is a more accurate interpretation:
– Jorge, certainly they represent the word of God but they are in human flesh bodies. First off a book can’t prophesy. You need to look up the meaning of these words. Prophecy requires a mouth to speak through to others. Plus Zechariah 4 says THEY are both ANOINTED. The only ones in the entire word of God that are described as anointed are Jesus as the word Christ means the overcoming process that is an anointing with oil – pressing the oil from the olive that requires that the olive dies in the process and so the oil then provides LIGHT to others to see by. In fact this is the one of only TWO scriptures in the prophecy of the Revelations that states someone will “prophesy”. The other is in Rev 10 pertaining to John though that prophesy occurs after the Two Witnesses have ascended. Since Jesus said he was returning to speak to us, “plainly and boldly about the Father” in John’s gospel and that his “instructions/commandments” to us then would divide the sheep from the goats with the example of his words being the sword of his mouth, having two edges the first because he will instruct those that recognize him to leave all behind as he requires of all his disciples called “deny self”  when he’s in the flesh and second when it’s harvest time and we have to as his disciples did take up their cross and literally die for him. And as it says in Rev 14, these will follow him everywhere he goes which is as usual both figurative and literal because he is again walking among us. I know there is a lot to explain further. I’m going to put the rest in another comment to the author if you are interested.
– I responded to Jorge below showing proof that one of the Two Witnesses is Jesus as both are anointed=a Christ and both speak, the meaning of to prophesy – and other such proves and there are many more that show this. However, who is the second then as there are no others mentioned as anointed except we know the Father being above Jesus in their kingdom has got to be a Christ as well, which is another topic to consider but is not without evidence. First off in John’s gospel Jesus tells his disciples both he and his Father will “make our abode with you”. Again we can see it as strictly figurative but why would it not be literal if his return was to be literal. He didn’t speak figuratively really except when telling stories or making certain comparisons. Here there was no comparison or story being told so it’s a literal abode or dwelling is actually just as accurate to say and it pertains to where we live. He also says at that time he won’t be asking the Father things on the disciples behalf as  he was doing then, because the Father also loves their disciples and the Father would be manifest to them. We can’t assume anyone but them would recognize him then and of course it’s them because they are among the resurrection of the just, which didn’t mean just the harvest time of the forthcoming time period in the new age but because there was also to be a resurrection of the unjust as well. The Kingdom of God saves one’s soul and then brings that soul back to continue their lessons of overcoming the world which is clear must be done to be with him in his kingdom. See Rev 1-3 for the ultimate proof of that. Which by the way, Rev 3:12 states that he will have a new name, again a confirmation that he comes in a new body to “show” us plainly about the Father because he will tell us the Father’s name and show us the human body the Father also takes during the first part of Jesus’ return. This is further evidenced by Rev 12 – the woman who is clearly not only symbolic but is in person as well to “birth” her son to the throne. This woman (generator of life) can not be the church as some say as the church is the body of believers and the believers can not birth her son to the throne. That’s preposterous to imagine. Then in Rev 12 it shows that this “son” being birthed has also been known as Michael the archangel, the captain of angels who visited with Daniel and by the way deciphering  Daniel’s prophecy also shows the TWO’s return together, but also shows that Michael is already at that time a Christ, being he had overcome the human world before then, which the evidence suggests was when he was here as Elijah and before that Moses and before that Enoch and before that Adam. There is a ton of proof of what I am saying if anyone can stand to at the very least consider seriously what I am pointing to.
Where people are confused which is understandable given how much the Luciferian fallen angels have created confusion (though is our test to gain strength by to see the truth beyond that confusion) is in Rev 19 when Jesus returns wearing a body dipped in blood. In that final return, actually the 7th return, the 6th being as one of the Two Witnesses where his Father births him and then exits as shown by the earth opening her mouth and swallowing up the flood that’s after her in Rev 12, he is not in the flesh then. He is using the same body he had that he and his Father converted into a “celestial body” (as Paul referred to a body of a member of the Kingdom of God). It was just as physical as the body he used for his 3+ years of ministry but had new capabilities that he demonstrated to the disciples he was commissioning to be his delegates to the world, a special assigned task because they were true witnesses to the truth. He said I am not a spirit – a spirit is not flesh and bone. Yet he was able to disappear and reappear and lift himself up above the earth or sea as he demonstrated in the ship and at his exit into whatever type of physical transportation  he had that the cloud was a covering for which was exactly the way Jehovah came and went. And Jehovah also allowed Moses to touch him. He couldn’t look at Jehovah’s face or he would die but he could touch him. One of the huge points made by the tabernacle tent just for Jehovah where they put food was to start to show that Members of the Kingdom of God used physical bodies. That’s part of what it meant in Genesis to say “we created man in our image”. That word referred most to how one appeared to the eye – that we would look like the Elohiym in appearance meaning humanoid though to become a “son of God” required receiving a soul and then looking to their every instruction to build that soul to fill it with “holy spirit/mind” – the behaviors and ways and thinking, words and actions they would teach, through human bodies to take into their own souls to eventually arrive at having one’s  body full of light – to be harvested to become a new young member of the Kingdom of God.

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