Upvoted.com interview with heavensgate.com webmasters and sawyers claims of misinformation

Here is a link to an interview the Heavensgate.com webmasters I’m calling M and S gave to upvoted.com. Following the link I included my responses. Those responses should be on the web site as well. In my responses I say certain things M and S said or didn’t say were misleading. I am not implying they intended to mislead, but that sort of thing can I believe begin to slip in, so I hope if they read this they can take it as what might hopefully be helpful criticism and I am open to hearing any criticisms of what I say from them or anyone for that matter and I will see if the “shoe fits”.

An Interview With the Heaven’s Gate Webmaster: Meet Telah, 61

Part One of three of response to M and S interview:

Thank you to the writer and editor for sticking to the facts that have been increasingly distorted as we speak. However, as to the answers to your questions I would like to provide you with my version as I joined Ti and Do from the same meeting in Waldport, Oregon as the ones you interviewed in September of 1975 and was in Ti and Do’s classroom with them until they were told to leave the classroom in 1987 and can be seen in my youth in 3 of the “Beyond Human – The Last Call” video tapes Do had us make in 1992 and was aware of some of the communications with these two in 1993-4 that included offering them a return to the class option if they were willing to abide by the lesson step entitled, “I could be wrong” that they didn’t want to abide by and became the reason they were told to leave. Then I was assigned to be an overseer with my partner of one of the four groups we broke into to bring Ti and Do’s information to the public in a face to face way, for the second time in 19 years throughout the U.S. that began on 01/01/94 and ended in September of that same year which is when all those who were still committed members to include new members were informed by Do that “we might have to exit our vehicle by our own hand”.

We got back to California from where we ended up in Massachusetts and Do told us about the plan to drink a drug mixture to exit our vehicles and went one by one around the room of about 40 something students asking each if they had any reservations. Some did and left the next day or two after that, still in September of 1994. I had no reservations but I was not the person I had been for 18 years before that. It’s a long story that I have made public on my blog http://www.sawyerhg.wordpress.com and my youtube channel: 3spm and other places, but the way I fell was by starting to masturbate, not having even thought about it before that, which was a response to having the ego to ask Ti who was outside her vehicle, but who Do told us we could talk to directly, for a more difficult task like Do had. In other words, she took me for what I asked for and sent me a “booger” (we called our assigned advasaries (satans meaning)) a bigger one than I had been assigned, one that perhaps Do dealt with that I seemed to have no power to resist or even want to resist or even to ask help to resist. Here I had been an overseer in many assignments over the years and then of a group and I was a primary speaker at the 1994 meetings in about a dozen big cities in the U.S., did radio, TV and print media interviews at that time while breaking the biggest rules in the group that were grounds to be asked or told to leave – that of giving into sensuality and then the second biggest reason to be asked or told to leave the group – that of hiding it – being deceitful by not surfacing my “major slippage” (what in the archaic terms would be a sin). Some of my fellow students looked upon me as a good example of Next Level behaviors and ways.

I was often assigned by Do to be a helper to others who were having various difficulties in their conquering of the influences that they needed to gain strength of mind by working against giving into. Do saw my separateness a week or so after I began to fall and asked me what was going on and I spilled my gut to him and he asked me what I wanted to do and I said, I need to expose it to the group which I did and Do said sometimes failure is the hardest lesson to rise above. So I was taken off of the overseer task but then a week or two later Do asked me to perform another overseer task and I told him I couldn’t as I’d be a hypocrite, so he asked me what I wanted to do and I said, “I guess I have to leave”. He replied, “you want to get more objective.” He had me pass the phone to another student and he told her I was leaving and told her to tell the others not to try to talk me out of it because I knew what I was doing. Later Do asked me where I wanted to go and I said I was thinking of taking a bicycle and riding it east. He suggested going to stay with these two in this interview and had the pursers give me $600.00 cash and bought me a plane ticket to Arizona. I was actually relieved to leave, not because there was any abuses or things I wanted to do that I couldn’t do in the group. I had no desires to do anything else. I just wasn’t face with my own hypocrisy.

It took me ten years to know why I left as I’ve stated and in retrospect I see so many signs of how I though of myself as special, stemming from being a youngster and seeing all those Jesus movies that depicted him as a hero. I wanted to be that hero yet I didn’t have a clue what that kind of hero would encounter and how they would never think of themselves in that way. It was a human egotistical way of seeking to be an elevated being others would look up to. I still see that influence with me at times but his characteristics are quite apparent though it’s easy for that Luciferian space alien fallen angel mind to creep in and especially when one has begun a relationship with the same living beings who are the chief administrators of garden earth and who I can offer proof of to anyone who dares to look into, but that is not important to me for anyone else to see value in because I was given another chance after they left to conquer my boogers.

Now I can pick apart a lot of what these two said but three points stand out in addition to not talking about why they were left behind. One is calling oneself by the name of Telah, when it’s clear that abbreviation means, “The Evolutionary Level Above Human”. That would be equivilent to taking the name, “Kingdom of God” or Kingdom of Heaven”, which really more accurately would be translated to “Kingdom of Deities” at the least and “Kingdom in the literal heavens (sky to outerspace elevated areas)”. How can one or two people have one name that represents a Kingdom of Older Members that includes the Chief of Chiefs, the Oldest Member of the Next Level? When I saw that it blew me away, not because it’s a name but because that seems to me to be the same booger who overcame me and my vehicle with myself, the reason he fell away and after being given many opportunities to change went more and more against his Older Members to where he became imprisoned on earth, though useful as a catalyst to challenge upcoming graduates.

Obscurity can have it’s place to try to protect us from those that might do us harm when we have done nothing wrong against the Creators of our world, the Next Level Older Members. But why not be straight forward and say, “my name is “M” and my partners name is “S” for instance or whatever names they choose. Both of them are 61 and one is male and the other is female. When someone like us is doing anything public taking names we weren’t born with is a good thing that Ti and Do taught us, because we don’t want to be interfered with and we don’t want our vehicles families to be adversely affected by our choices when we know there will be some who will hate us.

Then to say “There is no heaven or hell, only an endless cycle of reincarnation” is totally against what Ti and Do taught and anyone can easily prove it by many things Ti and Do and Crew said that you can find posted on heavensgate.com. This is the slant that booger or the equivilent booger puts on the truth to present a facsimile, because Luci for instance, according to Ti and Do resents the Next Level for imprisoning him on earth and will do anything he can do to strike back at the Next Level and plus he needs “souls” and compatible vehicles to his thinking to be his associates.

Part Two of three of response to M and S interview:

Do said the earth is going to be spaded, recycled. He said the earth itself is still a good planet but that the current civilization have become infested by the weeds, what Jesus called “tares” that are actually taking one another out as we speak, the reason we will see more and more corruption and killing in the U.S. from within, because the Heaven’s Gate graduates have exited, so the environment is no longer protected for their sakes and they also turn up the heat, the truth that forces each of us to become exactly what we are. If we thought nasty thoughts – thoughts about doing harm to others, now they can hardly contain themselves to act those thoughts out. And the alchemist meds many are addicted to compound the issues.

No heaven? That sounds like John Lennon, “imagine there’s no heaven, easy if you try” – well I know a friend of a channeler of John Lennon and she says he says the same things now. That’s because the mindset we die with we continue to act out and bring as an influence to others. Now of course we should be civilized enough to not kill one another, to have peace in the way we treat one another. That is the way of the Next Level members to be kind and considerate but that is a toddler lesson step – “thou shall not kill”. Jesus updated that to “turn the other cheek” so that was great that Mahatma Ghandi did and Martin Luther King did and others. But the overall task was to “love the lord god with all your heart all your mind, all your soul and all your strength” that these other lesson steps would lead up to. Saying there is no heaven is like saying, “imagine there’s no planets, no sun above us, above us only nothingness”. The reason turning the other cheek is a lesson step because when one loses their vehicle adhering to a Next Level lesson step as that, means They take that Mind/Spirit into one of their spacecrafts and give it a new task and even a new vehicle because it is the “Mind/Spirit” that is what the garden produces for the Next Level. They don’t need us but it’s their joy to offer what they know they have that is very, very real but it’s a place of work that’s a hoot to be a part of.

No Hell? Hell as it’s used in Revelations 6:8, a huge verse to understand among current events comes from the greek “hades” which is also seen as the equivilent to Pluto. Hell in it’s figurative definition is a place of no return having no longer the potential to become a member of the Next Level. Hades is the Greek god of the under world – It was interesting when the New Horizons spacecraft flew by Pluto this past July and took pictures that showed Pluto to be very much like earth minus the oceans. It has a blue atmosphere, geysers, red ice mountains, deep caverns, a huge white smooth spot and 4 rectangular shaped 200 mile wide black spots that are equidistantly spaced from one another so they look like 4 black piano keys. This is most intersting in light of the movie script Ti and Do directed in 1982 that they said was “fiction based on the truth” where Pluto was a spacecraft that inside it had a scale living model of the earth with observatins decks and stationary spacecrafts at each of four corners. (The four winds?) And they said on it’s north pole that by the way would face away from us as Pluto is on it’s side, there was a huge circular louvered door that would open and close to allow spacecrafts to come and go from. I don’t know if the implication comes across.

And speaking of that Rev 6:8 verse where there is a “green horse” depicted, green actually comes from the greek chloros like chlorine the green powder that kills bacteria (weeds) and represents “harvest green” and the Dawn spacecraft is actually as we speak I believe still orbiting dwarf planet Ceres, named after the roman goddess of the harvest who is the same greek goddess Demeter. I say Do was the Rev 6:2 one sitting on his white horse, the vehicle he made pure but also is seen as white skinned while that was followed by G.W. Bush as red horse a Luciferian space alien is sitting on that brings endless war and that was followed by the black horse Obama a Luciferian was sitting on whose task was to try to ride herd the two beasts (the U.S. and the E.U.) involving the financial crisis that involved the stock market’s commodities prices of “wheat and barley” with lots to say about all this leading up to the next US beast president who will in many ways be GREEN.

I’ve got no beef with M and S actually. We learned to deal with criticism – to wear the shoe if we examine it and it fits. If it doesn’t fit, don’t wear it.

There is no group anymore, like M and S said and suicide never was a solution. In fact one of the classmembers wrote a paper saying that killing one’s vehicle to escape difficult lessons is the real waste as we need our vehicles to learn our lessons. The human kingdom was created as a stepping stone into the Next Level. Suicide is separating ourselves from the Next Level creators of it all because then we won’t be given further opportunities to live both in a human vehicle at the next classroom with an incarnate Older Member which will not then become the opportunity to graduate into the Level Above Human where real life really begins because we are then no longer temporary plant lifeforms. But the formula to please the Older Member which is like pleasing one’s professor, is to “give our life”. How, when and where is up to us but a huge step in that direction in this life is to choose to put yourself in the Next Levels hands, asking to become one of their upcoming students and trusting they will help us separate from our humanness in a way we can handle. There is no pie in the sky. We need to show them we mean business by working for them. That work at this time is to “stand for Ti and Do”, study and believe in all they said and did. We are not going to necessarily understand everything but it will come in time. Events will be helping us towards this kind of choice of who to make our master. We are all going to lose our vehicles eventually. It’s a matter of whose service we are in when we lose our vehicle. Since you all have heard about Ti and Do you are on the spot but each is judged according to what they were given whether they heard about Ti and Do or not.

May Ti and Do’s force be with you all, but you’ve got to ask them for it if you want it.

Part Three of three of response to M and S interview:

This is also a misleading thing to say, “In the mid-’90s, we served as their communication center, which we still do today.” Maybe it’s the way I read it as implying they receive current communication from Ti and Do and Crew and then distribute that to others, which is not the case. They have the task to maintain the web site and respond to queries but anyone who distributes Ti and Do’s information is also then a communication “center”. One should ask them if they are the communication center how come after all these years they don’t provide the hundreds of audio meeting tapes Ti and Do made for the student body from 1982 to 1997. We actually do have about 218 of these but it was against their will that we have them, a long story I don’t care to get into. I have most of the communications they received a short time before the group left because they didn’t want the task at first so turned it over to another dropout believer named rkkody who later layed down his life but not before he made digital copies of 200 or so of the tapes and sent them to people, me included.

Saying 8 were “left behind” is misleading too. All who didn’t leave were dropouts. We left the group. They didn’t leave us until it was clear we didn’t want to be with them. There were zero left behind to carry out tasks but it’s the Next Level way to take advantage of those that still want to serve, even if they can’t make the grade of being in the classroom. We are seeing how the truth becomes distorted in seemingly little ways to where even those who are doing the distortion don’t recognize it necessarily or ignore or think it’s not important to be real wordy about.

I don’t know where the number 8 and 4 came from. But where does the number start and stop. There were about 100 who were students in 1976 when meetings were called to a hault by Ti saying “the harvest is closed”. Ti and Do sent 19 of those out of the group saying they weren’t ready telling the remaining group they “made the first cut”. By 1978 there were no more than 60 original “odys”. That name extension represented those who Ti and Do said were “adopted”. By 1993 that number was down to 24, I suspect mostly representing the prophecy of the 24 elders. Then some who had left were given the option to return and it rose to around 32 that didn’t include M and S. A few more rejoined in 1994 and maybe a dozen new members joined in 1994 but then I fell away as did a few other rejoiners and some of the new ones left to end up with the 38. So I would guess at about 70 total who took a stab at graduating which is interesting in the fact that Jesus had 70 to 82 to 90 something students, counting some of the female disciples we know about.

When M and So were asked, “Where are your directives coming from? Were they left behind for you by leadership prior to their journey?” and they said, “From the Next Level. They left very specific instructions.” that to me is also misleading. Why not say, most of the communications were from Do’s “helpers” that included Lvvody, Jnnody, Lggody and Jwnody and perhaps others like Sngody and Evnody or to keep it short by “Do’s crew of students”. That’s like a politician being asked who voted on the bill and they say, “congress”. I know M told me Do also talked to them but I know the letters that were their primary communication were signed by “helpers” or “pursers” if I recall correctly.

When M and So were asked, “What’s the next step for you? For Heaven’s Gate?” and they answered, “We are to take care of this task. We don’t know when we will rejoin them.” may be assuming a lot. I don’t know if any of the dropouts have it made. Do spoke about “three types of people who would go with them” when the rest are recycled. Primary that included those who had sufficiently completed their metamorphosis (overcoming of humanness) as he referred to the 38 as qualifying. The second type were those who began their metamorphosis but didn’t have the strength to sufficiently complete it to receive significant Next Level service so would have to return to the human kingdom after the recycling to finish. The third group are those who never hear about Ti and Do but are separating from the world in their own way. It seems apparent that we who dropped out who still believe would have to be included in the second type but whether we are satisfactorily “separating from our humanness” and making “significant changes” as Do said as well and “standing for Ti and Do and accepting the consequences” another description of all the types relative to what they were given as Jesus also said was the criteria is frankly not for us to know. After all just like we see in Christianity and Jesus talked about, many will say, “Lord Lord, we prophecy in your name….” but he said he doesn’t know them. Saying the words is a small part and can even morph to “taking the name of the lord in vain”.

When M and S said, “They periodically come down to this planet to check in on this civilizations development.” – Sure that’s true but “check development” is one heck of a lackadaisical image. They are consciously working like crazy doing all things that it takes to bring a group of souls to graduation. Nothing happens by itself when it comes to some souls choosing to grow towards graduation. They are intricately involved with “tagging” human vehicles they plan to “take over” for their task. Before that they work on the human kingdom to produce vehicles that can be a “match” for returning Souls to take over. They work with all levels of life. Ti and Do said it was move up time for all levels of life.

On the question; “I found the statement against suicide on the website fascinating. Why did Heaven’s Gate decide to put this statement out there?”

They knew suicide was what many or even most humans would call what they did, but they knew that really wasn’t accurate in their case but it goes to understanding what LIFE really is – all from the perspective of the Creators in the Level Above Human, which is apparent in the way Jesus also defined life as being (existing) in his Older Members Kingdom, in that record contextually, with and in service to his “Father (Older Member) in the literal heavens (outer space dwelling places)”. Thus death is the opposite – not being in the literal Kingdom in the heavens with one’s Older Members.

Of course if one doesn’t believe in any of this then none of this makes sense. But Ti and Do and Crew of students believed in it 100% and most of the students had been with Ti and Do since 1975 when they were ready to give their life then because they felt like they recognized the truth of what Ti and Do said.

Ti and Do considered every way they might return and every way their students might go to the Next Level, thinking of it in a number of ways, at first thinking they and their students would go back with their human physical bodies.

Even in their last days in those bodies they tried to be prepared for Ti (who was already outside her human body since 1985) to take them with their physical bodies if that was her choice. That’s why they packed a small travel bag with a change of clothes and had their passports and a little money – $5.75 – the amount that came from what Samuel Clemmons writing as Mark Twain said was the fare to ride the tail of Halley’s comet to heaven. He wrote that and produced a short movie that Edison actually filmed called “Captain Stormfields trip to heaven”. We also always had a procedure when leaving our “craft” (what we called the house we lived in) to take $5.00 in case of emergency for a phone call for instance. That’s what I told some reporters the $5.75 probably was which I later learned was wrong.

The companion that was filmed by the Hawaii and a Japanese observatory proven to not be a star in the background of the pic of Hale Bopp wasn’t the reason they chose to exit at that time as I believe your article stated. They even said this on the heaven’s gate web site. They said that the comet was the sign or marker they had been waiting for that told them when to exit.

By that time they had determined that humans against them were not going to do them in the way humans did to Jesus and his disciples.  They also had examined buying a boat and going into the sea to see if the Next Level would pick them up following seeing the cocoon movie and at that time considered exiting by sinking the boat if we weren’t picked up but Do nixed that idea though he did buy a boat we had docked in the Houston area for a while.

In 1989 or so Do instigated a fast on air. We were living outdoors at that time again in the Arizona desert just west of Phoenix. We had a bunch of trailers and two rows of tents that were all connected to one another to make two corridors. We had generators for lights and had two large satellite dishes and were watching all the news we could get from feeds and the evangelicals as we had been considering going public again as “who we are” as the return of the Father, Jesus and his students as promised. But Do wasn’t sure about doing another public mission so off into the desert we went and after one day on air Do changed the fast to add water. 12 days later Do stopped the fast.  I had been ready to curl up in bed and die then, though I learned that some weren’t thinking that was part of what we might do.

So we moved closer to Yuma with our camp and Do felt like we were to wait for a pickup, which was the second time we’d scheduled a specific day for pickup the first scheduled by Ti in about 1980. At that time, the pickup didn’t happen and Ti told Do she felt like she had “egg on her face”, but it didn’t change anything and interestingly some left after that as it had been 5 years since the group formed. In 1975 some students pressured Ti and Do for how long before they would leave. They always thought in terms of “months”. Reluctantly Ti said, “no more than 5 years” which she later regretted saying. But it didn’t phase their core students that there was no pickup and there was no pickup when Do scheduled it either and that didn’t phase the core students either.

Do also paid people to leave the class if they were only staying because it was more comfortable than trying to survive in what Ti called the “real world”. They knew they were creating a type of experimental world for us.

Before that there were two times that Ti and Do encouraged all of us to pay a visit to anyone in the world who had anxiety about us still as we had learned about a network of parents and siblings of our vehicles looking for us to include private investigators.

Most all of us flew somewhere in the U.S. for a weekend with our vehicle’s family. From that, one decided he wanted to leave the group. He returned and spoke with Do about it and I was assigned to partner with him and I don’t recall having much to report to Do. It wasn’t like I was a spy but if something occurred to me to talk about Do wanted to know about it.

So when we had no problems from humans who heard and saw us in our 1994 public meeting/media schedule all over the U.S. no matter how boldly we made the posters to say, it was the same one who was in the vehicle Jesus returned, Do felt like the only option remaining was to self exit as he couldn’t imagine waiting for each member to grow old and die to exit that way.

At one point in about 1990 Do contracted rocky mountain spotted fever and told some of us who visited him he knew that he could leave his vehicle then and that he asked Ti (who was outside her vehicle then) but Do knew was at times very close to him and at other times not so close, (however she might have accomplished that). He said, Ti said he could exit if he wanted to. But Do felt like he couldn’t abandon his task with the students.

A couple years before that he said to the students, “what if I’m not from the Next Level but am a well intended human? Would you all still want to be with me?”. I couldn’t imagine it. Some of the other students were quick to say it didn’t matter to them. I don’t think I knew what to think about it but it didn’t phase me to entertain the question.

In 1993 when the 90 men women and children of the Branch Davidians were murdered by the ATF/FBI I was sitting in Do’s craft with lvvody and jnnody and srrody (my partner at the time) and watching the story live on television. Do and all of us were shocked by it. Do later wondered aloud whether his students would be so dedicated to die for what they believed in, though he didn’t agree with David Koresh at all. It also made him consider if we might exit by provoking the government by having a gun. That was a test to hear but it made me wonder how dedicated was I. I put it on the back burner until it became a reality. I didn’t have a problem with it as I knew we wouldn’t actually try to harm anyone.

In 1996 they were building an earthship house (out of tires) on a property they bought southeast of Albuquerque and they had at least one rifle that strody (then a grey haired woman in her 60’s) did some target shooting of as they were still wondering if they might exit in that way.

They left that gun in storage.

Then in 1995 Rio reported that they were near Tucson and one night 3 students saw two small 4 ft tall looking white beings in the craft. They each saw these two from a different angle. Three other students including Rio felt they dreamed about these two beings in the craft. One report was they were standing by one students bunk where they were sleeping and felt they were helping her. That next morning Do and the overseers were all really smiling a lot and Do felt it was the visit he was hoping the students would raise their vibrations to be able to see.

I equate that with Jesus being visited by two beings of that similar description where three students saw them. That was called the “transfiguration”. Ti and Do felt that was when Jesus had completed changing over his body into a next level body inside.

Ti said early on that you don’t have to die to go to the Next Level. In that context “die” referred to exiting one’s human vehicle, but one does have to “change over” into a Member of the Next Level to go without dropping the vehicle as evidenced in the records by Enoch, Moses and Elijah and in a different context Jesus as his vehicle was healed from it’s dead condition and then he demonstrated taking that same body that was still physical but had new functions into the spacecraft cloaked by the clouds. He said, “I am not a spirit… a spirit doesn’t have flesh and bones”. He ate with them. He let them touch his body and see the remnant of the wounds. And yet he could change his vibrations so that he was invisible to them which one can imagine being like a chameleon against the invisible but very real atmosphere of our  human environment.

Ti and Do initially taught and this never changed, that the human condition was like a caterpillar world and how a caterpillar had the capacity in it to build itself a cocoon to then put all it’s energy into the chrysalis condition which is equivilent to a human being separated from their human world as Jesus and Ti and Do’s students were required to do to be students which meant leaving all that constituted their life at that time – their family, house, career goals, even likes and dislikes to put all their energy into the “process” that was actually the “christing” process as a Christ was someone who “overcame the human world”. If you actually break it down it is an “anointed one” where anointing was the process of “pressing” the oil from the olive. Thus the olive is the human vehicle and the press is putting pressure to extract Next Level Mind through it’s usage. Mind is synonymous with “spirit”. The Next Level literally starts this process by giving select humans (many of them) what is actually a seed called a soul. Do called it a “pocket” or a “container” that wasn’t just a container. It was a smart container in that in had with it a set of programs that provided an interface to other Next Level Members. There are different forms of this container, aka a “chip” as in computer chip. Do said to envision this “soul” one would see the human body as a glass vase that had one balloon extending out of it from the top of the vase that was the container for human mind. When a human is given a “soul container” the vase has a second balloon extending out of it. The second container can only contain Next Level quality Mind. I am only remembering now how Ti used to often say about mixing Next Level and human behaviors and ways as “Oil and water don’t mix”. That is interesting because Jesus compared Water with the human being saying to his students they needed to be “born again of water” in order to be born of spirit/mind that we also know was related to oil.

I suspect Do took seeing those two beings in the craft as confirmation that his plan of exit was approved. I don’t know that and have nothing more to go on so could be wrong about that.

Do told the class he felt those who dreamed it had woke up and were told to go back to sleep.

Interestingly even seeing/dreaming that as the six did, didn’t stop a couple of the new students from the 1994 meetings from choosing to leave the class and one was Rio. He was the one who they sent the fedx that led to his going to their craft to discover their deceased vehicles and who was on the cover of people magazine after that.  Last I heard from him he said he was done with disseminating Ti and Do’s info following the book he published entitled “Beyond Human Mind”.

All this thinking was combined with knowing how Jesus had spoken about laying down one’s life as the greatest way to show love, also saying, “no man takes it (my life) from me – I have the power to lay it down and the power to take it back up again”.

So did Jesus commit suicide even though the high priests and government were the instruments. He chose to turn himself into those who he knew from many evidences wanted to kill him because he was causing their followers to think differently.

Ti and Do were not against euthanasia. They felt if someone was too sick to take advantage of life – to make choices to learn lessons and grow from them then they should be allowed to end their own life.

This idea that suicide is a mortal sin is a fabrication. The law to not kill another human was just that for a human to not kill another human. It had nothing to do with oneself though they were not in favor of suicide to escape dealing with difficult lessons, which is really a big part of the real meaning of suicide. I someone choose to run in front of another to take a bullet they are considered a hero, but if one chooses to self stimulate exit for their idea of God’s it’s fanaticism.

Ti’s exit by dying as Revelations 12 says of her (the woman) – “the earth opened up it’s mouth” to take her, which was a way people had spoke about going to the grave, I believe did introduce Do to considering how they might all exit.

Even in 1992 I was in Do’s quarters in his craft as I was helping move things into a truck as we were moving to another craft, I saw the book by the Hemlock society that is all about ways to kill oneself. Soon after that it became part of the student library though I don’t recall ever talking about it.

As they said, it was the timing of the hale bopp comet with the spring solstice, and ascension time that was their sign to go home by exiting their vehicles. The ascension did occur. It was a spirit birth, that’s unseen by human eyes except by understanding it which remains our choice.

Thus after all they went through, they felt called home by Ti regardless of whether the reported companion was there or not. Had then experienced all that and then chose not to follow through would be like saying “no” to Ti because at that point for them it was time to go so they could get on with the next part of the program.

That’s why I insist it was voluntary for them.

I  have been approached by at least 3 people who told me they believed in Ti and Do and wanted to exit because they were miserable in this corrupt world. I told them they could be making a huge mistake. They were trying to escape learning their lessons. We need these vehicles to learn our lessons through. Do left the option open but said anyone who feels to do that should go to the desert southwest and scream to their heavenly Father to know whether that is right for them.

As I was re-awakening, that included many dreams with Ti and Do and certain classmates helping me with, because I must have needed that help, I got up the courage to ask Do if I should prepare my vehicle to lay down my vehicle as they did. He came to me as clear as a bell the same night and said, “you need to give your life”. So that’s what I am attempting to do and am looking to them for help in each step.

M and S were asked, “Why do you choose to keep the Heaven’s Gate website up and running?” M and S response: “The information must be available to mankind, in preparation for their return.”

Yes, available, but NOT in preparation for their return, though there is a vague truth to that. It’s for NOW – for people now who come to their information and want to know more because the Next Level isn’t done. To not talk about this is denying Ti and Do’s intention all along. For instance why put out a statement, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled”, a video Do made in September of 1996 that talks about “3 types of individuals” who can go with them, if it didn’t apply immediately, where he also talked about those in type 3 never having heard about Ti and Do? That means even if someone doesn’t ever see the heavensgate.com web site or anything about Ti and Do, they can still qualify to “go with them”.

Now where it is correct to say, “when they return” relates to the records that Ti and Do said “In the seventh closeness… (they said they as the Two Witnesses were the sixth closeness) would be the “completion of the final prophecies in John’s Book of Revelation” adding, “The one who was Jesus will come in at close range (as soon as those who have chosen to change over do it) and receive the elect into his company, for they have been those he has nurtured since the beginning of this civilization.” This was in “A Statement Prepared by The Two” in the book by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger entitled, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” that was exclusively about Ti and Do and that Ti and Do gave them interviews for. Now this Statement seems to have been written before their first public meetings that began in North Hollywood (Isaiahs “valley of vision” he referred to as Jerusalem) and thus some aspects seem to have had updates, though can also be seen in different ways and especially when one examines the Revelations in this light as it does seem that Do is returning in the vehicle he changed over that was named Jesus 2000 years ago, after the Next Level is “done” with providing hints and clues of their reality to the human kingdom.

When they had their first private meeting in North Hollywood in the home of a leader of a spiritual meditation group in early April 1975 to a packed house there were “several dozen” that wanted to know more so came to another meeting the next night and wanted to leave all behind to follow them which Do reported in “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew” they realized was “… adding up to “followers” – a big surprise and an idea not too welcome as far as Ti and Do were concerned!”. This is further evidence that Ti and Do at that stage in their awakening (a continuous planned but gradual process), before then didn’t think they were to have followers. They thought they would just share the information they were both receiving (separately) until they were “bumped off” as is one translation of the fate of the Two Witnesses in Revelations chapter 11, but turned out they were “shot down by the national press” – another valid interpretation I’ve written a great deal about on my blog.

I’m saying this because in Revelations 14 primarily there are two harvest periods depicted and in a number of places evidence that the first one was 42 students (38+4 later) and that they exited by “falling on their faces in service to deities” (Rev 11:16 and other places) while the second harvest was through the “winepress” that produces bloodshed. – in other words those who tell the truth and meet up with some who hate what they say and seek to kill them to stop them.

(now that hasn’t happened yet because that more or less begins starting with the 5th seal of revelations chapter 6 and we are just coming into the fourth seal with the next presidential election in the US.)

So it is true what M and S said about not knowing when that next return happens, but what was not said that needs to be said is that the criteria for who benefits from the content of the heaven’s gate web site and all the other ways in which people are coming to learn about Ti and Do IS preparation for their return but that prep starts now and will be seen the conclusion of during our normal lifetimes – (said in yet other places) which is getting close to that point, perhaps in the next decade or two even, where M and S made it sound (to me) like it was to become another religion that people would have time to study and make into careers and build cathedrals about – all Luciferian ways to dilute the truth though that the Next Level can make a positive out of.

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32 Responses to “Upvoted.com interview with heavensgate.com webmasters and sawyers claims of misinformation”

  1. Woraufhin Says:

    I am unable to download the tapes from 4shared for some reason. Is it possible to obtain them in some other way, e.g. as a RAR file through a service such as WeTransfer or similar?

    Thank you very much.

  2. Woraufhin Says:

    woraufhin@gmail.com

    Thanks.

    • sawyer Says:

      I sent it so you should look for it as from sawyerhg@yahoo.com. It’s zipped to 724 meg and there is a tapelog.rtf file included, but they are all .rm files which is an early realplayer format but not hard to find a converter and/or player for.

      If you convert them please make them available to me and if you transcribe them that would be great to also have available.

  3. VoteTrump Says:

    Is this true?

    http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/heavgate.htm

    Have you ever eaten the turkey pot pie at Marie Callender’s?

    • sawyer Says:

      I think so. I recall Do might have taken us there once in 1992 or 1993. We sometimes went to Olive garden and got all you could eat soup and salad and bread sticks. However, I do get their frozen turkey pot pies sometimes.

      • VoteTrump Says:

        were you giggly after castration like the article says?

        what do you think about when you are eating a turkey pot pie at marie callender’s these days?

      • sawyer Says:

        I was not castrated. I wanted to have it done and was with the first one who did have it done which I have talked about extensively on this blog if you search on some of the keywords like castration, or srrody as he was the first.

        poor turkey but tofu turkey doesn’t cut it.

      • VoteTrump Says:

        Christ (do) was very aware of symbolism and prophecy and posterity. “Marie Callender”? Why a chain restaurant?

        Maybe because Do = Christ and Marie(Mary?) = Ti. Callender brings to mind calendar.

      • sawyer Says:

        That’s funny and if there are any links I assure you they weren’t planned by Do while he was in his vehicle. Mary wasn’t the mother of Christ. Christing is a process – the overcoming process which came from “pressing oil out of the olive that in so doing fills the soul body with force of mind that can become light to others”. That’s a christening and it was compared with the catapillar (human) making their cocoon, exiting their world – leaving all behind – being “caught away” from their world, aka rapture, to put all their energy into creating their new environment where they can begin to change into a new being, which the process is called a Chrysalis in the change over to a “glorified body” that Jesus had at that time of his “transfiguration” that may have contributed to his healing of his wounds sufficiently to prove he was still alive and the same flesh and bone he was before his vehicle’s death so his disciples would see the proof of what he had taught them about coming from a physical kingdom.

        mary was at best a student. Ti is depicted in the Rev 12 as the woman who gives birth to her son/offspring and the birth is to the “throne” where she is. She always told Do she was here to “get him going” and then she would return. It was only after she left her vehicle that Do realized what she meant by that return. Neither of them knew a whole lot more than what it took to stay a step ahead of their students. They actually designed it that way as then those who assist them from an unseen perspective with overview can make changes as they see humans and the class responding to the last lesson.

        However, the Luciferians always try to build a facsimili of the Next Level and especially after they leave so they developed Mary as more or less a diety that became worshipped as much or more than jesus with the statues and all – totally against the Next Level’s instructions past. They also did it with Fatima – a hologram perhaps as the Luciferian space aliens have some of that kind of technology it seems. (and by the way now so do humans and they seem to be starting to use it to make look alike comets, etc. like just last week in California.

        But the Next Level then uses what the Luciferians do and adapt their strategy accordingly as when their students return to take vehicle and they see what the churches have become and how far different it is from what they experienced while with Jesus, they know to have no part of any of that and to search elsewhere for the truth however subconsciously driven. This goes for people at this time as well seeing through the lies which is very very difficult and requires pulling in our Older Members mind – studying everything they said and applying what we have the strength to and asking help to apply more, so to sort out what’s real from what’s a lie when the lies really prevail.

        I could see Do or Ollody or someone joking about Marie Callenders name and even talking about the relationships you mentioned to some degree but it would be tongue in cheek, so to speak, not like a serious consideration and examination and something to pass on to others about.

        However, I don’t discourage you from making connections as there are many connections to be made. I have made many in my re-interpretation of the book of revelations I’m about to publish but we all have access to Ti and Do’s mind in our environment because though we can’t trust what we get from our mind connection, unless it tests out as the same kind of things he taught in writing or video’s, we can get some of those kinds of connections. Ti and Do even said at one time that, that was kind of one way the Next Level has fun in their tasks of gardening the earth and it’s occupants – making word connections and also giving people ideas for movies, etc. as they all can help us awaken just a tiny big more.

  4. VoteTrump Says:

    when he was here the previous time, though, he was obsessed with old testament prophecy. everything had significance, which is why he road into Jerusalem riding on an ass. wouldn’t he seek to validate his role in the same way that he did before? did he perform miracels this time?

    • sawyer Says:

      No Ti and Do did no miricles. Interestingly Jesus didn’t count his miracles a sign of who he was. He just considered them “good works” and he didn’t put any focus on them except to report them to the jewish priests by the ones who benefited by the good works. He said there would be no “sign” except the sign of Jonah – the rising out of the belly of the whale – the whale as the Earth and the belly death. He said an adulterous generation seeks a sign, but adulterous didn’t just mean cheating on one’s spouse – according to Do it meant, “not becoming an adult” to where a human adopted by the Next Level becomes a “son” and to become an “adult” requires going through the straight and narrow spirit birth canal called “christing” or “overcoming the human world” by separating from all one’s roots and human behaviors and ways that are not Next Level behaviors and ways as provided by each Representative incarnate. By the way fornication really meant all cheating on God – which is anything we make into our idol, another human, a career, a government, a nationality, a religion – only the teachings of the most current Older Member incarnate become the only idol and when that person is not incarnate their teachings but to where our prayer goes to “our Father in the literal heavens (outer space)” as our only God connection.

      Further, Jesus said during the time of his and his Kingdom’s return there would be those who show great signs and wonders (miricles) that if it’s possible will trick even those who are elected to potentially recognize him – those are today primarily those who consider themselves believers in Jesus teachings – any who are real Christians as opposed to the false Christians (christs) who come using his name, saying, Lord, this and Lord that. Therefore if the false christs and false prophets are showing signs and wonders why would the returned Jesus show signs and wonders to confuse us. The only reason the Two Witnesses were described as having the power to bring fire down from heaven to devour their enemies and control the weather – stop the rains is to show us that these two were the equivilent of Moses and Elijah. That didn’t mean they were Moses and Elijah because Do wasn’t Jesus either because Moses and Elijah and Jesus were the names of the flesh bodies the Older Member from the Kingdom of God took to perform his task for each of those task stages.

      Now there are some who say Ti and Do did disappear in thin air but when Ti and Do were told about it they laughed. There was one story Ti told us about when they were driving in a car in a mountain area and another car wanted them to go faster and was acting obnoxious and finally when they passed gave Ti and Do the finger. Further up the road, they crashed. That can be seen in the Rev 11 Two Witnesses depiction of people that do anything against them will be met with some type of reaping what they sow.

      Ti and Do did say that in their first awakening period while in a farmhouse after they left all behind in Houston in January and feb of 1973, after a hard adjustment to the new information they were both individually getting they left Bourne, Texas knowing that they had 1) Come from outer space, the literal heavens (not their vehicles but their new Minds), 2) Were here to bring updates to the bible and 3) to fulfill prophecy. It was months later while in Gold Beach, Oregon, while studying every kind of prophecy they could get their hands on to see what prophecy they were to fulfill, that they realized it was that of the Rev 11 Two Witnesses. So when Do wrote “statement one” in 1975 while in jail being accused as a “thief” for keeping a rental care beyond it’s turn in date (that the charges were dropped on, because they did sent notes to the rental car company saying they intended to pay, though they didn’t know how. They later admitted this was a mistake they made, yet it may be that their Older Member in the heavens may have guided them into doing that so he would be called a “thief” – along with a “thief in the night” prophecy. Because the prosecutor in St. Louis where they rented the car, on the night Kohoutek was at perihelion, learned of their weird story about who they thought they were, Do said he was looking to make points so even though the rental car company dropped the charges he took them up to prosecute and it wasn’t until 6 months had passed with Do in jail that they finally presented him with a deal to cop a plea of guilty or stay in jail until a trial could be arranged and take the chance of a greater sentence. So by pleading guilty the sentence was 4 months in jail and he already served 6 months so by coping the plea it was released immediately.

      I don’t know if Jesus knew he was fulfilling prophecy of riding the ass into Jerusalem. I would guess he did as he was quite aware of the writings of Isaiah and Zechariah and psalms and probably Enoch and Jeremiah and it seems Joel and Micah and Moses and Daniel.

      But actually showing how Ti and Do fulfilled prophecy wasn’t important to their task as their students were the returned students who were with him while he was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus. They knew their shepherds voice. They were prepped by the Next Level to recognize him by what he said. But now is the time of the period that is the tribulation, the time of judgement. The judgement is the time of testing whether we can see him for who he was 2000 years ago or not. This is the time of Rev 5:1’s “backside of the book”, what was to be revealed of the truth during the time “after the seventh angels trumpet sounds” as delivered by one or more former students as told in Rev 10, referred to as the “little book (bible)”.

      This is when Ti and Do said “all the prophecies of the book of Revelations would come to pass” (paraphrased) and would be the time when “Jesus” returned which I believe was referring to:

      Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
      Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
      Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

      His “vesture” what he wraps around his soul body seems to indicate being a vehicle that was “dipped in blood” a reference to “immersed in blood” from the same greek root of baptism thus must be referring to his return with that same physical vehicle he took onto the spacecraft that was “undercover” (clouded) by the clouds as was the Next Level way going back to the when Jehovah would physically come and go from the tent set up for him. (Remember Moses touched Jehovah one time).

      On this return stage he’s coming for all those that believed in him during and after his incarnate stage. That’s the only way all the prophecies can be fulfilled as he said he could return and “speak plainly not in parables” – which Ti and Do told no stories, and that he would “show us the father” (because the FAther was coming incarnate also) as he said “we would dwell with you” all found in the gospel of John. And he said that all eyes would see him as a star like light that extended from east to west – as along the ecliptic – just like a comet does – their primary sign that can be repeated as often as they choose to show that kind of sign which were primarily comet’s Kohoutek, West and Hale Bopp during their 24 years – all three “great comets” because they could be seen with the naked eye in the northern hemisphere. In these verses just quoted, the “horse” refers to the vehicle he’s driving where the “vesture” is the vehicle his Soul body is driving.

      This second phase is also “as a thief” to those that are not “watching” because they don’t have eyes to see that has a lot to do with giving away their force through all human forms of energy output but in the biggest ways through propagation – raising family’s, sexuality and building one’s identity, self, power, persona, ego whether through the entire scope of human interests to include religions and spirituality, business, empire, science and even humanitarianism and environmentalism and art forms. All those things had their value we could derive lessons from, one not any better than another but at this time it comes down to choosing between one of two masters as Jesus talked about – between “God and Mammon” where mammon is defined as “wealth and treasure” but is no accident it’s from the Greek mammonous that sounds and looks a lot like “mammalian” – the human evolutionary kingdom.

      I’ve got something to say in this regard for every verse in the book of revelations and all Jesus said as prophecy that ties in to all the prophecy of this time in the Old Testament. I’m trying to wrap it up as we speak to publish it for people’s examination and consideration so stay tuned to see the whole enchilada as they say in mexico, or maybe they don’t say that in mexico.

      Oh, by the way, Do said at one time that he thought 90% of the Jesus miracles were exaggerated. I don’t know which ones.

  5. Nigel Says:

    Hi Sawyer, I enjoy reading your blog but had to ask, is there a reference to the $5.75 in the film adaptation of Captain Stormfield because it isn’t in the original story and I wonder whether that quote was actually invented by a reporter because I can’t find an actual source for it anywhere.

    • sawyer Says:

      Here is one snippet I had for the reference to 5.75 . I see it also includes the claim no such quote exists though don’t know what part exactly is said not to exist. Maybe you can track it down. It’s not out of the question that there are always debunkers to everything but even if the 5.75 was contrived and Do and crew came upon such misinformation and used it as a “sign” pointing to mark twain, the fact that samuel clemmons did write about riding the tail of a comet to heaven in stormfield, does show he was potentially the recipient of Next Level help to set some stages however disputed. Still I would like to see any documentation you can find. So here is the data I have so far. If I find more I’ll get it to you. In looking it over and some other references to the mark twain book or story, “The Heavenly Twins” is especially interesting in light of Hale Bopp’s “twin nucleus” as they are called now and the fact that two comets are on their way to rendevous with the sun/earth on precisely march 22nd this year 2016 (which by the way I predicted back in january we would see “one or two comets” in march/april). And while I’m at it I am wondering how this relates not only to the TWO Witnesses but also the TWO HOPI BROTHERS and the prophecy:

      Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

      Mark Twain and Heaven’s Gate.
      Article from: The North American Review | September 1, 1997 | Schrager, Cynthia D. | Copyright

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      In the wake of the startling mass suicide by the 39 members of Heaven’s Gate in late March, timed to permit cult members to “shed their containers” and rendezvous with a UFO they believed was following the Hale-Bopp comet, a rumor immediately circulated about a possible karmic connection between the cult’s dramatic exit and the spirit of that beloved American eccentric Mark Twain. In a sidebar to its Heaven’s Gate coverage headlined “Twain, Comets and the Cost of Eternity,” The San Francisco Chronicle ran a photo of Twain in the trademark white suit of his later years, and offered an intriguing explanation for one of the more bizarre details to emerge about the cult’s final hours: the presence of a five dollar bill and three quarters on the bodies of deceased cult members. The Chronicle quoted Bufo Calvin (a contributing editor to Strange and creator of the Bufo’s Weird World newsletter) on a possible Twain-Heaven’s Gate connection: “Twain was very cynical about religion, and once wrote that the fare to get to heaven on the tail of a comet was $5.75.”

      Twain lovers may find the quote entirely in character; however, “It ain’t so,” says Robert Hirst, Director of the Mark Twain Project, speaking by telephone from his desk, deep within the labyrinthine corridors of the University of California at Berkeley, where he oversees the publication of the definitive edition of the complete works of the American literary icon. Together with colleagues, Hirst failed to find substantiation of a similar New York Post quotation posted on the Mark Twain Forum, an Internet bulletin board for Twain scholars and fans. According to Hirst, “`The quotation does not appear in any version, published or unpublished, of Captain Stormfield’s Trip to Heaven’ [the source quoted by the Post] and probably doesn’t appear anywhere else in Twain’s writing.”

      Still, a connection between Twain and Heaven’s Gate isn’t as off-the-wall as it might seem.

      In the pages of the North American Review and Cosmopolitan about a century ago, Twain published articles he later included as part of a book-length diatribe called Christian Science. In it, Twain took on another home-grown American spiritual movement with the same unrepentant glee and razor-sharp satire he surely would have aimed at Heaven’s Gate, given half a chance. Replete with fears of proto-fascist takeovers, anxieties about dangerous new technologies and sexual paranoia, Twain’s turn-of-the-century writings on Mary Baker Eddy and her Christian Science Church are among the most devastating satirical rants on American spiritual and psychological fads ever penned–and, not surprisingly, they anticipate the contemporary reaction to Heaven’s Gate. When it comes to anything that smacks of the occult, similar fantasies and fears have been circulating in American culture for at least 100 years.

      At the turn of the last century, Eddy’s religious movement was enjoying tremendous popularity, recruiting its mostly female converts with the appealing message that disease, pain and death are all in the mind. In Christian Science, Twain predicted that Christian Scientists would be a “political force” in American politics by 1920, by 1930 “politically formidable” and in 1940 “the governing power in the Republic–to remain that, permanently.” In “The Secret History of Eddypus, The World-Empire,” an unfinished manuscript he worked on at about the same time, Twain goes so far as to imagine a dystopian society set 1000 years in the future in the former United States, now ruled by a repressive global politic-religious regime formed out of the merger of the Christian Science and Roman Catholic Churches.

      In hindsight, Twain’s paranoia seems more than a little hysterical. Yet Twain really thought he had reason to be alarmed by the rapid growth of the Christian Science movement, especially because of its unprecedented access to new and powerful communications tools, part of the accelerated industrial change that characterized late-nineteenth-century America. In Christian Science, Twain sees “the railway, the telegraph, and the subsidized newspaper” as sinister mediums of control the Boston Christian Science Trust could use for “watching and managing” its empire. …

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      “THE HEAVENLY TWINS.”

      Mark Twain’s Copy of Sarah Grand’s Work, with Notations, Up for Sale.

      Mark Twain’s copy of “The Heavenly Twins,” by Sarah Grand, with the reading of which he beguiled his time during one of his sea voyages, will be sold at Anderson’s on Feb. 17 [sic], and it is of especial interest, as it contains numerous autograph notes scattered throughout the book, giving his opinions of it. The story at first did not please him, and his comments are severely critical, but as he proceeded he found things that met with his approbation.

      On Page 74 he writes: “Thus far the twins are valueless lumber, and an impertinent and offensive intrusion.” On Page 149 he says: “Blank paper, in the place of these twins, would be a large advantage to the book.” On other pages he writes: “These twins are 30 years old” and “Are these tiresome creatures supposed to be funny?” And again, “these disgusting creatures talk like Dr. Johnson and act like idiots. The authoress thinks that this silly performance of theirs is humorous.”

      “The art of all this,” he says on Pages 274 and 275, “is intolerably bad. It is literary ‘prentice work. *** This is wretchedly done. A cat could do better literature than that.” Further on he says, “The writer preserves her dignity and her sanity, except when she is talking about her putrid twins. Then she is vulgar and idiotic.”

      Of Chapter 6 he observes: “A difficult chapter to write well – but she did it.” On Page 341 he says: “With the twins left out, this book is more than good; it is great, and packed full of hideous truths, powerfully stated. I will not sit in judgment upon the Englishwoman, who disapproved of this book – she has done that herself. While it is true that the American woman is and always has been a coward and a slave, like her sex, everywhere, she has escaped some of the degradations of her English sister – degradations whose source is rank and caste, the sacredness of property and the tyranny of a heartless, political church. Speaking of the sacredness of property – how England does adore the Almighty Farthing.”

      On Page 407 he says: “It is very curious. There is nothing but labored and lubberly and unsuccessful attempts at humor concerning the twins up to Chapter 7, Book III., but all this about the boy in this Book IV. is very good fun indeed.” His final comment is: “The grammar is often dreadful – even hideous – but never mind that; it is a strong, good book.”

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      The New York Times, September 2, 1962

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      TO THE EDITOR OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:

      Your report of Aug. 24 relating to the forthcoming publication of certain “highly inflammatory anti-religious essays written by Mark Twain in his later years” states that these are now being made pubic for the first time, and that this notable event has been spurred at least partly by a Soviet charge that Mark Twain’s “ideas were being suppressed in the United States.”

      While the aforementioned essays may indeed be appearing now for the first time, they will not be the first published work in which Mark Twain turned satire and vituperation at length against religion.

      In 1907 Harper & Brothers published his “Christian Science,” a book of about twenty-three essays on that subject, all composed during what proved to be the last decade of his life. some of the essays are outrageously, blasphemously funny; some caustic and angry. At many points wit and sarcasm are laid aside for bare polemics in frontal attack.

      As the title indicates, the good Mrs. Eddy and her co-religionists come in for the brunt of the author’s criticism. However, his jibes are not saved only for the, and they must give a portent of what is coming in the work to be published in September.

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      One of the milder thrusts in the earlier book, and a favorite of this correspondent, relates to what Mark Twain chose to call “the Spiral Twist.” He wrote, “That is a technicality – that phrase. I got it of an uncle of mine. He had once studied in a theological cemetery, he said, and he called the Department of Biblical Exegesis the Spiral Twist ‘for short.’ He said it was always difficult to drive a straight text through an unaccomodating cork, but if you twisted it it would go. He had kept bar in his less poetical days.”

      An interest observer cannot avid commenting, in view of recent attention given in Congress and in the press to such subjects as prayer in the schools, that public discussion in the United States on the subject of religion is beset by a deadly humorlessness and a certain incapacity for self-criticism on the part of too many discussants. It that is not an unfair judgment, then the forthcoming publication of Mark Twain’s “anti-religious essays’ can only be considered salutary for American piety as well as letters.

      BRUCE T. DAHLBERG,
      Department of Religion, Smith College
      Northampton, Mass., Aug. 24, 1962

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      film taken by thomas edison of mark twain:

      • Nigel Says:

        Interesting stuff – good find with the Director of the Mark Twain Project stating that Twain had never stated anything about $5.75 anywhere. I wonder why Bufo Calvin would have thought to fabricate something like that and more importantly, I wonder what Do’s intentions were with the $5.75 (I’m assuming he never mentioned Twain’s supposed $5.75?)

      • sawyer Says:

        I don’t agree that the 5.75 was “fabricated” as what would be the motivation to fabricate such a thing. However, it does seem that Do and Crew came upon that publication that listed 5.75 as the price to ride the comet to heaven, so it makes no difference whether that point was fabricated. There are no claims that the record of what Clemmons wrote as Mark Twain about “going to heaven on the tail of a comet” was fabricated, nor what he said about “coming in with halley’s comet and expecting to exit his life with the arrival of halley’s comet return” (paraphrased), so the 5.75 is incidental to the evidence that lends some credence to comets as more than just “balls of ice” as some still call them even though the evidence is they are complex devices, another topic to debate of course. The facts are that everything the Next Level does throughout history is distorted while at the same time remains part of the recorded truth which gives each person the continuous choice of what to believe and to what degree and in what way and what not.

        While I was with Ti and Do for 19 years I can’t recall any talk about Mark Twain. However I was not with them every minute, no one was, though some had more time with them than others and I was included in that “circle” sometimes, starting around 1985 so did hear some things others did not, but none of the things I heard at those times were crutial to a students progress in their overcoming process. Ti and Do always made sure to repeat at meetings those things they began to talk about with a smaller group. There was a procedure to have $5.00 on our person should we find ourselves stranded somewhere and with the need to make a phone call back to the “craft” for help. Before it was $5 it was $2 I believe I recall and I seem to recall there being some quarters as part of that procedure at one time – which was before cell phones when there were phone booths on many corners or near stores.

  6. XF97 Says:

    Pretty interesting article. Mrc’s answers are pretty “far out” and I don’t mean that description in a positive manner. You gave good points about the audio tapes which is true. Sure, now they are available after how long? Better late than never some say. I still don’t agree with the politics they play with the NL Info by “deciding” who gets it and who doesn’t. In other words, by NOT giving 486 audio tapes to others who believe in the same message is absolutely ridiculous. Mrc forgot to mention of how an “associate” of his (an un-believing Atheist who harassed other HG believers) got about 40 of my pro Heaven’s Gate videos deleted from my YouTube XF Channel in late January of 2012. Sawyer and CRLody expressed their sympathies as I was devastated and in complete shock. In fact, CRL told me he would send me some CD’s of the 200 or so audios him and RKKody worked on. In fact, he told me he would send them out the very same day of his email and as a man of his word, that’s what he did. My friend John, along with 2 other people, can testify to the fact as to how gaunt and pale I was. Obviously a learning curve for me I didn’t expect. It’s possible that Mrc gave that executive order to his associate to have those vids deleted under “copyright infringement” charges when obviously they completely forget about my rights to use footage under Section 17 and Section 107 of the Fair Use Policy. I should point out that in July of 2011, Mrc emailed me and told me to “please stop making videos”. He wanted me to be quiet about promoting Heaven’s Gate videos which makes no sense to me. I could understand if he gave the order to his rogue associate to have those videos deleted IF they were condemning and trolling Heaven’s Gate. However, to have them deleted because I was promoting the HG Info was an absolutely absurd Luciferian practice. Anyone’s acts that try to hinder someone else’s practice of talking about NL Info, whether it be through blogs, videos or other means of HG Info promotion, has to seriously be questioned as to which side or camp they are on. Do (Doe) said there were only two sides. Sure, none of us are perfect and I’m nothing to write home about. I’m just simply saying I never had a situation where I had other believers try to “shut me up” for “promoting” the same Info they too believe in. Sufficed to say, it was a major learning curve for me in realizing that Lucifer can use anybody to hinder a person’s walk by using fellow believers if the Lower Forces are unsuccessful with using un-believers. Furthermore I expect my videos or channels to be deleted now if or when it happens by rogue believers or their Luciferian associates. It’s par for the course. Luci will throw all kinds of people, places and things at you once you begin to awaken to Information compared to Mis-Information. These days I tell people that I do not promote The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation or its associates because I do not agree with the rogue politics they have been playing with the Heaven’s Gate information. MRC are also poor business man and doesn’t know how to properly and effectively promote the Info of Ti and Do. Not bragging, but other HG believers have done their share of HG Info promotion. They did things MRC wouldn’t do and instead of helping them, he tries to stifle them. That’s truly a sad situation such a travesty has happened. Not saying MRC and SRF are completely terrible, we all have good and bad points, but with what I was hearing and what I have experienced myself, I conclude that MRC and SRF should seriously step down and let someone take over that can do a proper job with the NL Info. They can’t run a business. Just my take on that. I don’t expect or ask anyone to agree with or not. It’s up to the reader. We all have my opinions and my opinions don’t reflect others who know of the NL Info. Thank you.

    • XF97 Says:

      My Comment [Revised]: Pretty interesting article. Mrc’s answers are pretty “far out” and I don’t mean that description in a positive manner. I couldn’t believe what I was reading. I didn’t think it would have come to this where we would see The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation take on some kind of “identity” or “governing body” of self professed gate keepers when the only thing The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation is supposed to be is a disseminator of HG Info and that’s all – in my opinion. You gave good points about the audio tapes which is true. Sure, now they are available after how long? Better late than never some say. I still don’t agree with the politics they play with the NL Info by “deciding” who gets it and who doesn’t. In other words, by not giving 486 audio tapes to others who believe in the same message is absolutely ridiculous. Mrc forgot to mention of how an “associate” of his (an un-believing Atheist who harassed other HG believers) got about 40 of my pro Heaven’s Gate videos deleted from my YouTube XF Channel in late January of 2012. Sawyer and Crlody expressed their sympathies as I was devastated and in complete shock. In fact, Crl told me he would send me some CD’s of the 200 or so audios him and Rkkody worked on. In fact, he told me he would send them out the very same day of his email and as a man of his word, that’s what he did. My friend John, along with 2 other people, can testify to the fact as to how gaunt and pale I was. Obviously a learning curve for me I didn’t expect. It’s possible that Mrc gave that executive order to his associate to have those vids deleted under “copyright infringement” charges when obviously they completely forget about my rights to use footage under Section 17 and Section 107 of the Fair Use Policy and the fact that all of my videos were non-profit. I should point out that in July or August of 2011, Mrc emailed me and told me to “please stop making videos”. He wanted me to be quiet about promoting Heaven’s Gate videos which makes no sense to me whatsoever. I could understand if he gave the order to his rogue associate to have those videos deleted IF they were condemning and trolling Heaven’s Gate. However, to have them deleted because I was promoting the HG Info was an absolutely absurd Luciferian practice. Anyone’s acts that try to hinder someone else’s practice of talking about NL Info, whether it be through blogs, videos or other means of HG Info promotion, has to seriously be questioned as to which side or camp they are on. Do (Doe) said there were only two sides. Sure, none of us are perfect and I’m nothing to write home about. I’m just simply saying I never had a situation where I had other believers try to “shut me up” for “promoting” the same Info they too believe in. Sufficed to say, it was a major learning curve for me in realizing that Lucifer can use anybody to hinder a person’s walk by using fellow believers if the Lower Forces are unsuccessful with using un-believers. Furthermore I expect my videos or channels to be deleted now if or when it happens by rogue believers or their Luciferian associates. It’s par for the course to have stones thrown at you from any and all directions. Luci (Lucifer) will throw all kinds of people, places and things at you to derail your effors once you begin to awaken to Information compared to Mis-Information. Do (Doe) said we can fall 10 times faster than we can rise. He stressed a good point with that and we all miss the mark at some point – even fall. These days I tell people that I do not promote The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation or its associates because I do not agree with the rogue politics they have been playing with the Heaven’s Gate information. Mrc is also poor business man. He doesn’t know how to properly and effectively promote the Info of Ti and Do. Not bragging, but other HG believers have done their share of HG Info promotion in different areas. They did things Mrc wouldn’t do and instead of helping them, he tries to stifle them. That’s truly a sad situation and such a travesty has happened. Not saying Mrc and Srf are completely terrible, we all have good and bad points, but with what I was hearing and what I have experienced myself, I conclude that Mrc and Srf should seriously step down and let someone take over that can do a proper job with the NL Info. I don’t know who that would be, but with some people I have in mind, I have the utmost confidence they would do a better job. However, as it stands, Mrc can’t run a business. Just my take on that. I don’t expect or ask anyone to agree with or not. It’s up to the reader. We all have opinions and my opinions don’t reflect others who know of the NL Info. All opinions agree in some things and differ in others. Although not completely, the T.E.L.A.H. Foundation has been next to stagnant these 19 years. What about other countries with different languages? HG is in English and German. Are those the only 2 languages on the planet? Thank you.

      • sawyer Says:

        The tests are not over for any of us – not by a long shot. We have simply been in a stage that’s been relatively tame which is about to gradually end over the next few years. You can notice that the Black Horse (Obama’s vehicle) is described as presiding over the time period of the 3rd Seal when the OIL and WINE are not hurt. Those who are actively in service to Ti and Do – willing to give their life to service to Ti and Do – seeking to be putty in Ti and Do’s hands to help them further seperate from their humanness – roots and behaviors would fall under the category of the “oil” (though no one can judge another in this regard as we never know who will fall or rise and when and how far). The Wine are those who are like the 2nd type of person to go with them when the time comes, those who have started their metamorphosis – seperation from humanness but not strong enough to commit to the full distance yet, though again that can change pro or con – so they are in the process of becoming closer to the “oil”. In any case these are not to be harmed.

        The fourth green horse upon us with the advent of 2017 will usher in a time of a great deal of death and the U.S. (but certainly the EU areas and all over the world) will be on the forefront in a way they never have been before, in a way possibly kin to the civil war time. During that time the Saints (oil) are overcome – subdued, conquered and some will be killed for their STandiung for Ti and Do by Christians who will think they are ridding society from their (the oil’s blasphemy) – just like occurred to Jesus and his disciples and others after Jesus and disciples had died in service to the Next Level. This is the “process”. Then by the time of the end of the 5th seal most all who had become “oil” by Standing for Ti and Do will be killed by the same instrsuments of the Luciferians in the name of Christianity – the relgion that has become the anti-christ and “false christ” ironically.

        At some point around that time I suspect the internet way of “standing for Ti and Do” will disappear. I suspect such web site and facebook pages and blogs that support what is still seen as a dangerous cult will be abolished and banned and silenced. At that point, if not before the only choices will be to Stand for Ti and Do in the streets, try to hold meetings – living on the road and even heading to New Mexico’s Magdelena Manzano area that I believe there is significant evidence is where the final battle will take place spoken of as Ar-mageddon – City/Tower/Mountain (Ar) + mageddon (a valley in Palestine where there was great bloodshed (the winepress time of Rev 14) named after Mary Magdelena close disciple of Jesus who was not necessarily the same person who was the prostitute as there were many Mary’s. That final battle is to occur after 1000 years of recycling AFTER the US and EU (BEASTS – secret government globalists) are destroyed. I suspect those who gather in New Mexico will be considered by the Next Level – “the meek who shall inherit the earth”. Do and Crew did build a “fortress” they called their “earthship” and it included a “tower” in the plans. And it was an old boy scout camp (camp of the saints) (those who gave and give their lives to and in service to their Older Members).

      • XF97 Says:

        Of the details in your response, are they from what you were taught via Ti & Do’s teachings in The Class? Or, are they merely your opinions in addition to the Heaven’s Gate teachings? The reason why I ask is because although I haven’t listened to all of the tapes, the things you speak (saying this person is “this” in the Scripture for example and this person is “that” in the Scripture); I haven’t heard of any of those things so far in those tapes. If they are merely your opinions or additional teachings, can please say so? Otherwise people will think it’s HG teachings. I’m not interested in any extra additional teachings outside of the HG book and tapes. Secondly, Do (Doe) talks of Three Types of Believers. The 3rd Type are the ones who never heard of HG yet they tried to separate from society and no be part of the status quo. Did Do (Doe) ever say anything about those who would hear of the Information after the HG ascension? Were the new believers (those who accept the HG Info after HG is gone and the new believers are candidates for a future Classroom) ever talked about by Do and Ti? I know Do (Doe) mentioned of Returning Souls that would come back to a vehicle between Classrooms maybe to finish off some overcoming. He mentions it in Episode 12 of the B.H. series.

      • sawyer Says:

        I think you answered one of your own questions here:

        you said, “Secondly, Do (Doe) talks of Three Types of Believers. The 3rd Type are the ones who never heard of HG yet they tried to separate from society and no be part of the status quo. Did Do (Doe) ever say anything about those who would hear of the Information after the HG ascension? Were the new believers (those who accept the HG Info after HG is gone and the new believers are candidates for a future Classroom) ever talked about by Do and Ti? I know Do (Doe) mentioned of Returning Souls that would come back to a vehicle between Classrooms maybe to finish off some overcoming. He mentions it in Episode 12 of the B.H. series.”

        Yes Do did talk about this in “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth before recycling” – which was a video he made six months before their exit so it was for anyone and everyone that already believed to some degree or would come to believe and put into motion their metamorphosis – seperation from their human world AND so it was also clear that believing in Ti and Do was not the only criteria to be “saved” from the recycling – the “third type” (who would go with them).

        So yes it was for those both before and after their ascension.

        The entire book was designed for those that would come after their ascension. The point to the website staying up is for the same reason. There was more to do after the FIRST fruit harvest.

        When Ti and Do said something I recall or is written or on tapes, most of the time I say that, “they said…” but I know I shortcut this at time in these comments. I wish someone took the time to transcribe all the audio tapes but then again Ti and Do did start that project and for some reason discontinued it so I assume there was a good reason for it and I could make an educated guess about it, but won’t right now, as one would think in a human way it would have been more efficient (but Ti and Do were not trying to be humanly efficient and this was a source of trouble for some students that can be heard addressed in some tapes that I recall).

        But just like what Jesus was quoted to say had layers of accuracy to it, so did everything Ti and Do said and did so we should take nothing at only face value because that is assuming we see all the layers which we probably are not going to see unless we keep digging and seeking and absorbing and applying, etc. We can become Ti and Do scripture quoters and not see the way all they said could also be seen as links to what was to happen going forward from their exit. It’s common sense that there was more to come – not in new information but to understanding what they already touched on, as in the “records” – in what Jesus said and in the Revelations Prophecies.

        They did not spend much of any time on prophecy but to ignore prophecy is to ignore their Mind – not saying we need to get into prophecy, but if we don’t then we simply miss those layers of their teachings because those prophecies came from their same Minds – but it’s a puzzle to piece together which was meant to be as a strategy against the many ways the Luciferian space aliens Souls seek to distort everything the Next Level says and does.

        Here is a direct example of this recognition that there is a plan to actually dissmeinate the layers of the truth in stages and that such stages don’t end with their exit of their incarnations:

        From “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure”:

        “A. As part of the undercover program, my Father incarnated in a female body for His 15-year stay.

        B. Being “undercover,” which included lack of acknowledgment of who we were historically, was required for most of our task this time in order that we might, with as little recognition and interference as possible, round up the souls who were our students from the past. Even so, we were identified as a small, radical cult, just as we were 2000 years ago. And as was the case 2000 years ago, these prospective members left their families and relationships in order to follow or be a student. Now that I am surfacing again, I will again be hated for my “blasphemy” (of who I say I am) and hated by those families and others that are affected by all who aspire to leave with us, because this mission requires that they forsake all ties and binds to this world (family ties, responsibilities, and human-mammalian indulgences).”

        We should read these statements hanging on the meaning of every word and thinking about all the implications and relationships to the past records and to the forcasted records in order to SEE the most.

        First he is saying that for his first arrival he was “undercover” – not historically identified as the return of “Jesus” which was a strategy that by the way Jesus also addressed in his use of parables, because had they spoke directly in both cases their task would have been cut too short because of the larger opposition drummed up among the humans.

        Then he talks about the student body and how they had to seperate from their humanness and then he says He is surfacing again:

        “Now that I am surfacing again, I will again be hated for my “blasphemy” (of who I say I am) and hated by those families and others that are affected by all who aspire to leave with us, because this mission requires that they forsake all ties and binds to this world (family ties, responsibilities, and human-mammalian indulgences).”

        He and Ti were hated especially as soon as the students began to be gathered mostly in 1975 so he is addressing being hated again for the same reason which at the time of this writing was past the time of the 1994 gathering of students though that also was a stimulation of that hate from the human kingdom.

        And he is talking to “all who aspire to leave with us” which I can’t help but take to the “3 types” who will “leave with us”, where later on in this document he specifys the requirements to “leave with him”. Every word counts or he wouldn’t have expressed it both ways. If someone thinks this is a mistake/typo to site a difference then they are not looking at all the supporting evidence of the same mindset.

        Here is another section that brings further clarity to the timing of who goes with then and when:

        “8. As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies, while declaring that entry into the Kingdom Above Human is available, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

        A. They will attempt to rid themselves of their old minds, and identities, in exchange for the mind that flows through me, as they attempt to be accepted as one of my “children.” It will “cost” them everything of this world – which they will desperately desire to quickly be rid of.

        B. If they expect to go with me, and I’m leaving very soon, they must look to us (me and my students/disciples) for all their needs to the best of their ability – align themselves with us – break their human bonds – and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in pursuit of the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of that Kingdom, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from that Next Level toward membership in that Kingdom.”

        Note among many things, “…if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in pursuit of the Next Kingdom as well” – So how is their “declaration” going to lead to their laying down of their bodies if they don’t declare anything – if they just read the info and tell no one else that Ti and Do came from the Kingdom of God, which I remind was not their primary terminology for their first gathering but has many links to Revelations and Jesus gospel prophecy that takes place AFTER their ascension? And this is also spelled out by other documents throughout their Book – because it was to be the primary focus of the follow up “harvest” that could even become the same graduation as some in the first graduation accomplished. One can read even the “laying down” as having two meanings. It would be in the way they did which Do opened the door to in his press release days before exit or it can mean the equivilent of the way Jesus disciples were referred to as “laying down their lives” (as Jesus said he did – saying “no man takes it (his life) from me” – “I have the power to lay it down and I have the power to take it up again because I go to the Father” (paraphrased). If one starts declaring Ti and Do as the Father and jesus returned, especially going forward at this time and backs it up with all the scriptural evidence, the Next Level will see to it that some they prepare hear it and see it and that causes hatred against those delivering it so that they will be the cause of their “laying down their lives” just as before which is their ticket – the whole picture – to board the spacecraft after they exit their human vehicle to then be brought back to complete their overcoming during the next classroom after recycling though possibly during and after the 1000 years while the Luciferian space alien souls are once again locked up again.

        But as to whether or not things I say about prophecy are my opinion and are misleading people to think they are from Ti and Do directly, what can I say really. I’m damned no matter what I say, that is by the Luciferians who hate anything that could open some heads to the truth.

        Is it a fact that they were the fulfillment of the Two Witnesses prophecy? Is it a fact that they were the Father and One who was incarnate as “Jesus” returned? Do did say directly that Ti was the Woman in Revelations chapter 12 and did in that one case go verse by verse for a a couple verses only describing his interpretation of those first verses in that chapter. To ignore the ramifications is to ignore that part of their Mind they wanted us to know about. But I can’t point to whether that meeting was on a tape or not. I think not actually but could be wrong about that. It was when Ti was still incarnate so it would be in that first batch of tapes we’ve had access to for years if you want to search it down.

        However, even without that, we know that Ti and Do always said that we can count on the 4 gospels quoting of Jesus – that I imagine can be found in the audio tapes – saying that the red letter edition represented what we could consider accurate. And we know they said they were the fulfillment of the Two Witnesses prophecy and they said “all the revelations prophecy will be fulfilled” in their statement posted in the book, UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” and Do spoke about many Jesus quotes and ideas and even related to Old Testament records even back to Adam which is on tape and put their quote list in their BOOK which all amount to hundreds of clues of what was to come because their initial task was to take the 3rd trimester graduates through their “spirit/mind birth”.

        So I have spent thousands of hours combing over and over all Jesus said and the book of revelations and have gotten a few pointers in dreams – the black horse prophecy being Obama, for instance – to put the puzzle together. But if one needs to see written by Do that GW Bush was the Red Horse or that Do was the white horse one will never see that so does that mean it’s an opinion or could it be a “layer” that might be 100% accurate.

        Yes I am bias in my seeking to interpret scripture. I am bias because I know who Ti and Do are and so I look for how scripture interpretation justifys that belief/knowing – not for my own needs but because it’s something I can do and actually feel was given to me as a task that I of course can’t prove to anyone else…but like all things, don’t take my word for it. Do the digging. Scrutinize every word that I say against the records and what Ti and Do did say. When people read what I write and they want to quote me, I hope that’s what they do and they distinguish what I say from what Ti and Do said just like one reads what Peter said in letters and can scrutinize it as well as if there is no link to something Jesus said then of course it’s suspect. But if being suspect in one area means it’s suspect in all areas and especially where it can be shown to relate to what Ti and Do (and Jesus) said then that person can become the looser for looking for a reason not to believe it – thinking it’s all or nothing. We often don’t even know what we don’t believe until we are faced with it. But if we do believe Ti and Do were the latest Reps then at the minimum we must believe in everything they said and did, though we may recognize they have an influence making it hard for them to see it clearly, which means they should ask Ti and Do to help them see clearly on and then read and re-read, because it’s probably already been answered in one of the layers.

        The book I’ve written will challenge most everyone because the Luciferians will see to it that it is all questioned.

        I also know that I may not have gotten everything the most right it can be, but what I’ve had to do is finally get to a point on some of the prophecy, which is a way of the Next Level taught to me by Ti and Do, that says, “it works for now” which I mainly say this regarding my interpretations of Daniel’s prophecy that was a bear I spent months on going over and over and over. One could say…why go into daniel’s prophecy as Ti and Do never said to follow what he said, but Jesus did refer to Daniel and so did Ti actually a tiny bit probably on one of the audio tapes. So to transpolate the fact that we could count on what Jesus was quoted to say, then can we also count on there being value and accuracy to what Jesus referred to when he spoke of seeing the “abomonation of desolation” and using Daniel’s name as who he was quoting? I think yes. It’s all part of the overall picture I’m increasingly feeling led to be more rather than less thorough about covering.

        While in the classroom Do did task me with jesus scripture interpretation. He had me give a brief presentation to the class on what I found in the use of the word, “resurrection”. Did that make me an authority or trustworthy going forward? No. It just shows my work in this regard didn’t come about from a vacuum – not saying it was the plan for me to drop out to do, as I don’t believe that for a second but did Ti and Do make a positive of my negative failure when I showed I did not want to remain disconnected from them and being in their service – yes and they and my classmates have helped me through every little piece of interpretation (though I’m still not saying there aren’t layers I still have not pealed back as accurately as I could). With the REvelatins prophecy, by the way I’ve found that with most every point or event depicted there are usually at least three clear depictions of the same point or event and they also have links to the Jesus gospels and the Old Testament prophets and Moses classroom experiences so it’s kind of hard to get too far afield if one presses to do the best job we can do.

        So my opinion? Well of course but is it an opinion based on the Mind I have been given and pulled in – that’s the greater question one might want to ask themselves which they will never arive at knowing if they have to see it spelled out word for word by Do in every case, because that wasn’t the primary part of the task Do had – his class was and we are not in that class exactly. We are potentially in the next class and that class is in progress right now though we can make up reasons why it can’t be so to avoid dealing with it. If it did not exist the recyling would have been done and we wouldn’t still be talking about it and all the prophecies would have already been fulfilled but they are clearly not all fulfilled though of course humans have pretty much determined that many were fullfilled even a thousand or so years ago completly missing the truth.

        So yes, what I feel I have arrived at, in a great deal of scriptureal interpretation, I feel confident came from Ti and Do’s mind to see and I know I will take flack from all directions for it as I have already have because the Luciferians will see to it that the idea even that I could be an instrument of Ti and Do’s mind in this regard will be resented and seen as my own ego trip and/or an attempt to become the leader or as someone said, “replace Do” which there is no truth to. If anything I’m subconsciously afraid of completing this book as then I won’t have the little bit of security in my human life that I have – though I am pressing past that fear day by day and know I will have to put behind me all things human to apply to make the grade of “going with them”.

        I could say a great deal more but it has got to be up to you to sort out but you might want to consider whether you are willing to Stand for Ti and Do in the way they most recently indicated – like by using this Undercover “Jesus” document as an outline and by putting a focus on Rev 11 and 12 since this document shows a number of direct links to Rev 12 depcition of Ti and the Woman in Rev 12 and we know in 88update how Do explained how he and Ti were the two witnesses. One would never have to look at anything I wrote that they may think is suspect to STand for Ti and Do on the issues that are most pertinent to now the time after their first ascension that was started by the Undercover “Jesus” document and followed by the Heavensgate.com site and book.

      • XF97 Says:

        NOTE: [This is a duplicate yet revised comment: Please delete the similar comment before this one. I needed to make some additions.] My revised comment: Sawyer, you seem to always “zero in” on “scapegoat” or “single out” Christians as some sort of Luciferian force to be reckoned with against Ti & Do believers. Your statement reads: “Then by the time of the end of the 5th seal most all who had become “oil” by Standing for Ti and Do will be killed by the same instruments of the Luciferians in the name of Christianity – the religion that has become the anti-christ and “false christ” ironically.” My response: Ti & Do believers will be killed by Christians? Hardly. The Christians are the least of our worries. I know more about Christianity than you do and enough to know that “if” there will be anyone who will try to do any killing of Ti & Do believers it will be 3 factions: Faction A: Luciferian instruments in the name is Islam. Look at their track record of terrorism and beheadings. Not all Muslims are bad, don’t get me wrong and I’m not saying all Muslims will be used as instruments by the Lower Forces, so let’s get that straight. Faction B: The general public – people of any faith or ideology, as well as anti cult networks who will go after Ti & Do believers in the name of the Earth – the Human Kingdom. Faction C: Luciferian instruments trying to either silence, debunk and stifle true Ti & Do believers in the name of The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation. Sure, Do (Doe) may have chosen Mrc and Srf to do the job, but just because someone is chosen for a job does “not” necessarily mean they are qualified to do it. And they (Mrc / Srf) have “more than proven” they are NOT qualified do it. They cannot do the tasks of maintaining and distributing NL Info adequately and efficiently. The Lower Forces are using Mrc & Srf to make a sham out of their assigned tasks. Sure we all have our faults, but have any of “us” tried to intimidate and stifle someone else from disseminating the NL Info? No. Mrc, on the other hand, “has”: Look at Mrc’s own track record of either threats and intimidation against Crl, Rkk, Rkk’s daughter and myself. He tried to stifle and silence ALL of us in some way or form. Let us not also forget Mrc’s rogue associates and the damage they done, through cyber stalking and harassment – one of whom is still harassing your blog through multiple personalities. Also look at The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation’s lies in articles to reporters by their changing of Heaven’s Gate doctrines and the changing of history to which you claimed was false on their part. That’s good when you pointed out where Mrcody was lying and then you set the record straight with reporters. That was a good call. So basically “The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation” is operated by liars now. Like I said, Do (Doe) may have chosen Mrc for the job of NL Info caretaker “to give the Info to “anyone” who asks for them”. Has he done that efficiently? Not from what I know. I’m glad I don’t endorse them. When someone is chosen and hired by an employer but the employee “cannot” do an efficient job, they are fired. And in my opinion, Mrc & Srf may have already been “fired” by the Next Level. They just don’t know it. Just my take on all of that. I could be wrong that of course, but I seriously doubt it. As far as “singling out” Christianity as some sort of sole “chief riding horse” is concerned, I sharply disagree with that. You have to include “all” religions or societies as “instruments” of the Lower Forces, including The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation as well. If not, then don’t label anyone at all. I know you mean well in trying to execute focused approaches on matters, but you mostly target Christians more than other faiths. Correct, you do talk about other faith groups in a way but mostly target Christian doctrines. That to me looks more like painting them as scapegoats. What about other religions? What about Anti cult networks? What about militant Atheists? What about Satanists? Christians are the least of our worries, Sawyer. Are Christians murdering unbelievers with weapons and explosives across the globe? No. Are Christians trying to force abnormal lifestyles down people’s throats through bullying tactics and slanderous name calling to those who disagree? No. That being said, it’s your blog, so say what you want. I’m just pointing out some other factors that could be approached from a more broad based analysis when giving a report. These are all valid points. Just my two cents worth.

      • sawyer Says:

        I’m not going to tackle this right now but I stand by this because I got it from Do and what Jesus said and the revelations, all of which make the most practical sense. Maybe I’m make a more complete document of this but maybe you can research it to show where I am pulling from Do’s mind on it.

        Those we are calling Christians are NOT often Jesus believers, whether they know it or not – not judging any one person, but it was the “religious” who killed Jesus and it was the “elect/chosen” religious most opposed to him – the Jewish leaders using the state to do their dirty work.

        Who did Jesus say was coming back – those same ones who “pierced him” right with the saints. On the human tree, the new leaves of that tree, in the new land, new time after migrations and mixed marriages, that resulted in the U.S. melting pot and essentially a “christian” dominated society.

        I personally don’t yet look forward to confronting christian leadership but I have already tasted that all over the U.S. in person speaking in dozens of churches and in libraries and hotels other places where I held meetings with my partner in 1975-6 (seperated from the group) and then with a group in 1994 when I was the primary speaker for my group, before many audiences and guess who the vehement hecklers were – Christians who were not Jesus followers or they would have recognized the same characteristics in us and what we were showing about Ti and Do in seperation from the world and overcoming and giving one’s life for, etc. And it’s what they said that cued me into their being Christians.

        In beyond human tapes who did Do say he was accused of being…the “spurious messiah” – the false christ. Where did Do get that part of his talk one might wonder. Since 1988-9 we had satelitte dishes and we watched two type of programming, news feeds but by a long shot televangelists, probably about a dozen different ones with megachurches and I remember Copeland talking about the spurious messiah. I bet no other group is talking like that and Do knew that to them he was a spurious messiah.

        I have engaged hundreds of christians on blogs, etc. in the last 15 years and the ones who are most angry with what I say are christians and especially after we go back and forth a few times and they run out of ammo, while I still have a treasure trove full because it came from the Next Level. When we get to that point they are fuming in their retorick reduced to calling me names and the like – false prophet, blasphemer, etc.

        Anyone who might want to investigate this should do searches on the word “christ” and “Jesus” and “messiah” in the Beyond Human tape transcripts and all the rest of the book materials before claiming to see this clearly. One will find that Do said Christians were most in line to receive the truth so they were also most subject to deception by the Luciferians and even said that they hardly had a chance to not be tricked. Do left us with all the clues and all the clues are right in line with all the prophecy on this.

        Jesus also said it:

        Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

        I must have read that verse dozens of times before it dawned on me that a “false christ” also meant a “false christian”, someone who doesn’t address the “christing” process Ti and Do talked about in Statement One” in 1975. That process is the overcoming of humaness process that “presses” the oil from the olive that renders the olive dead thereafter but through the oil, the pressing being the provision of service to delivery light so others have a chance to SEE that same process and opportunity.

        There are christian theologians who can talk like this BUT they have been most often tricked to think Jesus did it for us so we don’t have to, which was largely the product of Paul of Tarsus dilution/distortion so he would most likley be one of the first “false christians”. Therefore Christians are not automatically Jesus believers to the extent of an active student though they are still among the “chosen/elect” because they have that “program” at least.

        False prophets – are speakers claiming to be inspired by god that God would not agree with that makes them false. If one doesn’t understand what Jesus was all about – the Christing and how each student MUST become a Christ that is something the Ti actually wrote a little about in 1973. Standing up on a pulpit and making a sermon about certain verses might very well be of value to the Next Level and to some in the audience but if it doesn’t speak to the requirements to become a disciple in order to reap the promised reward then it’s partially misinformation programming. Of course they might not have a congregation then but the Next Level knows this will happen so they make a positive out of it though they never prefer to distribute the distortion/dilution misinformation mind.

        In terms relative to Jesus, who are the biggest false prophets but those on the pulpits all over the US and EU and elsewhere, not often knowing how far afield they are from teaching the complete Jesus message that was understandibly geared to those approaching the third trimester – the reason he spoke in parables to others to keep them from killing him sooner.

        Of course millions were taught that they were Christians so just go along and some can be doing the best they can do with what they were given so there is no blame to place on anyone except for the Luciferian Space Aliens who once did have the chance to still know better.

        So Jesus was saying there were these called the “elect”, those who were “chosen” – picked out.

        I don’t see the evidence or ever heard Do talk about those who adhere to Islam or Hinduism or Buddhism or Judism as being “picked out” to receive the fulfillment of what Jesus taught but he did say that about Christians.

        Jesus said he had another fold and Do felt some good things from some who were practicing Islam (i.e. modest dress, sexual restraint) and Buddhism because of their “renunciation of the world, it’s pleasures and seperation from one’s human roots, etc.). I know these religions have also been subject to dilution and distortions so most who refer to themselves by those labels no longer may practice these things, but again the Next Level judges all according to what they were given and what they do with what they are given. Like Jesus said in a parable, we need to invest what we’re given to move forward. But these other religious don’t seem to evidence being among those Jesus referred to as the elect/chosen. How could they be and not at least believe that Jesus was the Son of God the creator or all things. So if they don’t evidence being the elect then why would they be especially adversarial to what Ti and Do taught. It’s not even on their radar. Of course there could be a rare exception.

        Some might look at the Matthew verse and say, “…if (it were) possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” as if it’s not possible, when the whole classroom is built on free will so of course it’s possible they can be deceived. Jesus was just speaking to that as a possability because it’s each person that determines whether it’s possible to be deceived by the voices they choose to listen to or not listen to. Sure if they only listened to what Jesus said in the red letters and insisted on following those rules, behaviors and ways, then I’d say being deceived is far less possible for them because they have built their house on a rock foundation and/or their seed was planted in fertile soil, when for another group Jesus words are registered most in an intellectual way even as a competitiveness to show others they have spiritual knowledge. I would say these are the most who would be adversarial against Ti and Do believers should those believers speak out to their camps with more and more frequency.

        If non christians made up the bulk of the chosen/elect then they would have made up the vast majority of the people in the new geographic area where Jesus and his Father and students were planning their return to be located which was/is North America but specifically but not exclusively the U.S. West (as the new “temple area”, with the new altar area (where they came by sacrificing their Next Level vehicles lives via some of the UFO crashes and where they exited by laying down their lives) being the U.S. southwest as the FIRST Harvest period. I also suspect that the courtyard is moreorless all the primarily english speaking areas outside the temple gounds. I say that because of Do and Crew sending out their 3rd thunder/roar – communication to Canada, East Coast areas, Scotland, England and Australia. The “court” was not measured by the Two Witnesses part of the harvest programs so seems to have been left to this “backside” harvest said by Jesus as the LAST period of harvest.

        If I walk into most any Christian church with my book that is the size of a ream of paper printing on both sides and say it offers scriptural evidence that Ti and Do were the incarnate return of the Father and Jesus and say I want to talk to their congregation sometime about it, what do you think will happen in most if not all circumstances? I’ve already attempted a degree of this and explained a tiny bit to the female pastor of a black church in the southeast U.S. and she said she wasn’t interested in it. It sounded misguided. Imagine what would happen if I did give a talk and one of the young parishioners heard things they believed and wanted to know more and were excited by it. At that point I would become the enemy and very little would stand between my getting physically harmed to stop my preaching.

        But in a Mosque, what would be the odds of anyone caring about what I say as I’d be all focused on Jesus where their religion just holds Jesus as a “prophet” where a prophet is equivilent to Aaron and Miriam according to Jehovah through Moses. Moses was MORE than a prophet and said he was returning ….thus Jesus was more than a prophet, so we would have a major disconnect in this and many regards. I’m not saying Muslims or anyone else don’t have their place in the Next Level school. It’s just not at the same place as those who were prepared to receive the truth the most, those who call themselves Christians.

        Lets say I give a talk about this in a public area and the audience fills up with people from all the categories you said would be the most likley ones to want to kill a Ti and Do believer. When the other category of people hear much of what I have to say that Ti and Do said they may object to this and that and they may agree on certain things even but the ones who will most likely hate most everything I say will most likley be those who claim to be christians who don’t know the real Jesus. Like said before many say they are Christians while they drop bombs on people, not even thinking how wrong that is to do under Jesus and the Father’s eyes, yet will go to their chaplan to ask for forgiveness or help to deal with what they are expected to support and do rather than quit that job to not break God’s; Moses and Jesus’ laws because they were often bred into christiandom.

        There is much , much more to be said about this and yet I’m not attached to who becomes the instrument of my vehicles end, if that’s the way it goes – it will be in my hands only to the degree I am willing to be outspoken and out of hiding more and more.

        Now I do see some atheists showing the same kind of self righteousness in their belief of what’s not possible as many Christians are with their distorted diluted opinions and some are mounting a campaign against anyone who even hints of any kind of spiritual or religious belief so I don’t doubt there could be more persecution on that front – a blanket persecution lumping in Ti and Do’s teachings as another religion not knowing that to Ti and Do all religions are especially at this time “killers of souls”.

        I’d say chrstian leaders and constituents as a group are equivilent to what the Jewish leadership and constituency was 2000 years ago though of course if I travel to Saudi Arabia and tell them my God is greater than theirs and that Mohammad was not equivilent to Jesus and that Jesus was the only saviour, then I might not live very long, which is similar to what Christians have done all over the planet – not just share Jesus’ message but shove it down people’s throats or buy their belief or torture them in to belief and then with all the waring and other shinanigans with the entire Israel conflicts certainly there are those who might go after anyone who even hints of being a Christian by even saying they believe in Jesus which might be enough to become the target of someone.

      • XF97 Says:

        I forgot to mention that I will re-read the document “Undercover Jesus” from the purple book. I will take the blame for not reading it enough. I need to do a lot of work on myself and weed out the quirks and foibles I have, as we all do. We all miss the mark in a sense. Though it would be nice to be a robot for the Next Level, Do (Doe) said the Next Level is not the aggressor nor are they in the business of taking away free will. They are not in the business of erasing choices, including the choice to go awry. We all went awry at some point I’m sure and I’m not better than anyone else although I sometimes fall for the influence of self righteous behavior – which I have grown to detest. I suppose that’s a positive sign – to feel really ashamed of current and past mistakes. True, from what I recall, that document does show a number of direct links to Rev 12 depiction of Ti and the Woman in Rev 12. Correct, we know in “88 Update” of how Do explained how he and Ti were The Two Witnesses. It slipped my memory. Wouldn’t have happened had I read it more. My mistake. I will also touch base with that article in my blog and/or in my Web broadcasts. Thanks for this.

      • sawyer Says:

        Keep getting back to the source – that’s the key in thought, word and deed. I just re-read Undercover “Jesus”… again after having spent the last 15 plus years studying and re-translating and re-interpreting Revelations and that’s when I saw all the references as well, not remembering them from my last read that wasn’t even that long ago. Ti and Do put gobs of evidence in everything they said and wrote with their students since this garden project started. There are so many direct connections, I could probably spend another couple years documenting them but I know they are not all necessary for the task, just like it wasn’t necessary for us to have all the audio tapes to become Active Students to Ti and Do. They are nice to see but They made sure we had all the Meat we could possibly digest in all they did make sure we had access to.

        There are a lot of great audio tapes but since you asked in an email I would still suggest the Blackhawk tapes which are also very clear and here is yet another link to Revelation 12 woman and her son she births…

        Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
        Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

        Eagle
        (Herb. nesher; properly the griffon vulture or great vulture, so
        called from its tearing its prey with its beak), referred to for
        its swiftness of flight (Deut. 28:49; 2 Sam. 1:23), its mounting
        high in the air (Job 39:27), its strength (Ps. 103:5), its
        setting its nest in high places (Jer. 49:16), and its power of
        vision (Job 39:27-30).

        Nearest the town Blackhawk, CO was where Ti and Do leased a house that was way up in the Colorado rocky mountains – very high altitude – black like an eagle, in high places. That craft was used as a “retreat” for the student body. They lived there with 6 students and it was 1982 when those tapes were made during one of the retreat visits as we were living in Amarillo, TX then and on weekends out of craft taskers (those with jobs in the world) would rotate on a schedule to go up to retreat for the weekend, leaving friday after work and returning by sunday evening for two nights in that intimate setting with Ti and Do – a very, very special time I need to say alot about, which I do in the book.

        “She” is nourished for a time, times and half or a portion of time which seems to have been a time=1 year, two times = 2 years, thus about 3 1/2 years which takes the timeline to 1985 – June 19th was when she left her vehicle. The tape was made in the winter of 1982 – I don’t know the exact date but it was in about June of 1983 that she had her eye removed which look at this next verse where a flood of water is all the negative thoughts against her from the network of parents that were actively looking for the group that stimulated Ti having us visit vehicles family to calm down their anxiety later in 1983:

        Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

        Ti’s vehicle wasn’t carried away by that flood then.

        Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

        Notice this expression used in other places in the old testament as going into the grave which put an end to her vehicle dealing with that flood that did not stop by the visits. Do said her vehicle was “worn out” and apparantly it was planned all along for her to exit ahead of Do as she had always said to Do…”I’m here to get you going and then I’m going back”.

        backing up to:

        Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

        Her Son she had just birthed is assumed to be with her as well as their student body but this is the timing of the classes start of their overcoming in Veedavou rustic camping area in Medicine Bow National Forest (when Do was still named Bo, by the way) and they always talked about lessons as “medicine” like the Rev angels who our out “vials” are like bowls of medicine…another depiction of the hundreds. We traveled between Wyoming and Texas living in tents (boothes) from July of 1976 to 1980 when we moved into houses – again the “thousand two hundred and threescore days”.

        The other way of saying the time period seems to be said that way to jive with Daniel 7’s depiction of this time.

        The war/battle is not over. For our part of that remnant/remaining ones, we have yet to face the persecution we must face by “standing in defense of/for Ti and Do” to those who will hate hearing about it and will seek to rid the world of “our blasphemy” in the name of their “God” – the Dragon:

        Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

        I’m actually working on doing a better job with “wormwood” as I’m fairly sure the “third angel’s sounding” was announcing first off, Ti and Do’s Mind/”LIGHT as a Lamp” arrival from the heavens in the 1920’s – 1930’s. that has application then in world events but has near future application shown by Rev 16:4 that has stages of delivery that’s already been showing signs of.

      • sawyer Says:

        I stand with Do. He gave the task to handle the web site and that’s all I care about. The rest is human. However, I too don’t like sending people there because should they ask him a question from the history they may get a Luciferian space alien inspired answer like there is no Heaven or Hell and nothing to do but wait til next time Older Members incarnate – misinformation to the first degree as it points people away from connecting with Ti and Do and standing for them and seperating from their humanness to start their own metamorphosis at the pace they are comfortable with in relationship to their asking for help from Ti and Do. Let them help us seperate and trust they won’t take us faster than we are ready for though it will always be tough. It just helps us get over the fear of starting the process to put ourselves in Their hands and proceeding as if they were seperating unti it manifests when we each know it’s time.

        These are all tests Mrc and srf have been subject to as I am also subject to as anyone will actually everyone is subject to at this time. It’s the judgement Hour – the 40 years of time that will determine which soul or spirit goes to which bucket – recylcing or continued lesson opportunities where each is rewarded for what they were capable of according to what they were given and what they then give to the Next Level through Ti and Do if they knew of them or by the Next Level’s judegment if they never heard of Ti and Do.

        So when any of us says something we can show is against what Ti and Do taught and did then we can bring it up to them and if they hear us and the shoe fits then we have gained a “brother/sister” but if they don’t then they are messing with the Next Level. This is especially important when things are said in public because that’s the nature of blasphemy when we SAY things that are against what the Next Level incarnate Older Members said and intended by what they said.

        Other than that I think it’s a drain on time and energy to give it any further thought, in my opinion that is but of course up to each person to decide for themselves.

      • XF97 Says:

        I know what you mean on some avenues. However, based on what I read in those interviews, it is my opinion that Mrcody is incapable of knowing truth from falsehood. He is unfit and not qualified to run The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation. Anyone who withholds any amount of literature from others who believe in the same thing as they do, is not all there. They are a few cards short of a full deck. That in of itself proves a serious infraction against the Next Level and is totally Lucferian inspired. Hopefully Mrc comes to his senses, realizes that 70 or so percent of his thinking is infected by a Luciferian virus and changes his tune; otherwise the Next Level may not even replant him into another Class. Instead, he may just end up becoming soul waste. Hopefully he gives Crl and you the tapes without any “personal bias” towards the two of you or me or anyone else. Is this about the Next Level or is this about ego and breaking a promise to Do (Doe) about having all Info available to everyone? It doesn’t matter if people don’t want it, that’s not the point. The point is the Info should be available to anyone who asks. No excuses otherwise. That’s a no brainer. His track record and belligerent behavior towards others, as well as the inability to distribute HG information effectively and adequately proves this. None of this is counter productive energy if it is exercised efficiently. So, like I said, hopefully he comes to his senses and knocks off all of this carnal nonsense he is doing because as it stands, his actions contain way more pros than cons. I won’t be surprised if he eventually shuts down the HG website and completely stops giving out the Information. When that happens, he will have gone from being 70% inhabited by Luciferian discarnates to 100%. Of course, he can stop that virus of the Lower Forces from completely taking him over, but again it boils down to choice. Free will. Just my take. I’m not asking anyone to agree with me. They can check Mrc’s track record for themselves to see if he is a fit and qualified caretaker of all of the NL Info. So far he’s not, but the readers need to see for themselves.

      • XF97 Says:

        My comment [revised]. Please delete my comment before this one as I needed to make a couple improvments. My comment: I know what you mean on some avenues. However, based on what I read in those interviews, it is my opinion that Mrcody is incapable of knowing truth from falsehood. He is unfit and not qualified to run The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation. Anyone who withholds any amount of literature from others who believe in the same thing as they do, is not all there. They are a few cards short of a full deck. That in of itself proves a serious infraction against the Next Level and is totally Lucferian inspired. Hopefully Mrc comes to his senses, realizes that 70 or so percent of his thinking is infected by a Luciferian virus and changes his tune; otherwise the Next Level may not even replant him into another Class. Instead, he may just end up becoming soul waste. Hopefully he gives Crl and you the tapes without any “personal bias” towards the two of you or me or anyone else. Is this about the Next Level or is this about ego and breaking a promise to Do (Doe) about having all Info available to everyone? It doesn’t matter if people don’t want it, that’s not the point. The point is the Info should be available to anyone who asks. No excuses otherwise. That’s a no brainer. His track record and belligerent behavior towards others, as well as the inability to distribute HG information effectively and adequately proves this. None of this is counter productive energy if it is exercised efficiently. So, like I said, hopefully he comes to his senses and knocks off all of this carnal nonsense he is doing because as it stands, his actions contain way more cons than pros. That’s not good. In fact, it raises a red flag with me. So much so, that I won’t be surprised if he eventually shuts down the HG website altogether and completely stops giving out the Information. When that happens, he will have gone from being 70% inhabited by Luciferian discarnates to 100%. Of course, he can stop that virus of the Lower Forces from completely taking him over, but again it boils down to choice. Free will. Just my take. I’m not asking anyone to agree with me. They can check Mrc’s track record for themselves to see if he is a fit and qualified caretaker of all of the NL Info. So far he’s not, but the readers need to see for themselves.

      • XF97 Says:

        So far as it stands, Mrc is not suitable for his position. That may change. Hopefully so. At least he has done some positive things. I’m not saying he is completely off the mark. We all miss the mark. Nobody is perfect. Yet, in my conclusion until further notice, if Mrc will “not” come to his senses and make things “right” with Ti & Do, the only thing left for him to do would be to be the following: (1) realize he is not a fit vessel to operate the website and Info, (2) step down and give it all to other believers who will take proper, adequate and efficient care of it all. But again, if he has any NL Mind in him, he will make things completely right, as they should have been 19 years ago but weren’t.

      • sawyer Says:

        To be honest I don’t think you have the task of have anything to do with Mrc’s relationship with Ti and Do and what happens going forward EXCEPT for offerring correction of things we become aware that he says by showing others what Ti and Do and Crew said. I believe that is our task and is called “standing in defense of Ti and Do” the overall requriement to being Their student.

        And the same applies to me or anyone else who claims to speak to others – the public in representation of Ti and Do.

        Doing a doc about those things to me would be a good service keeping it as objective as you can – sticking to the facts only – no opinions are needed when you can show what Ti and Do said.

        This is the biggest reason I’d like to see all the audio tapes transcribed because so many times I say things from my memory that could be verified in the tapes most times.

      • XF97 Says:

        NOTE: Comment Revised: Please delete the previous and identical comment I made before this one as there were some errors due to typing too fast. Here is the revised comment: I understand what you mean Sawyer. True, we all make mistakes and can provide correction and constructive criticism. Correct, my task isn’t to get involved with Mrc’s relationship between him and Ti & Do. However, when his mistakes (whether they are willful or not) become other people’s problems, this is where I feel others can speak out, step in and say what he is doing wrong and how it should be corrected. Sure, from what I read, one of the Lesser Offenses in the Class was the “comparing of oneself with another” and we all do this at some point or another. I’m no exception to this and need to work on it. I too would like to see the 486 audios transcribed but as long as Mrc doesn’t do that and withholds Information from other believers in any way, shape or form, he is not demonstrating his allegiance to Ti, Do and the Next Level. Instead, he would be working against that and demonstrating allegiance to the Lower Forces. Especially with the latest shenanigans Mrc has done in last year’s article and the more recent one at Soundcloud. Now he can change his stubborn behavior, make corrections and admit where his behavior is off. His choice. Free will. When it comes to being a caretaker of distributing the HG Info, there should be no room for any kind of pride, ego, laziness, or any personal vendettas. This is not about any of us and our personal feelings, this is about distributing HG Info and giving them out to those who ask for them, no matter who they are- not to let our feelings and/or personal resentments or prejudices blur our vision which in turn can sabotage our walks with Ti & Do. It’s one thing if I don’t give the Info out to a rabble rouser who already made up his mind. To give such a person the HG Info would be like casting pearls before swine. On the other hand, to give the HG Info out to someone who is genuinely interested, I then would feel obligated to give the curious party the HG Info if it would or could make a difference. Whether they accept it or not would not be the point to me; the point would be that I gave the Info out and no be selfish about it. Does that make me a gate keeper, like Mrc has self professed himself to be? No. That’s ridiculous and blasphemous, just like his email address of Rep@heavensgate.com. What “rep”? There are no more “reps”. The address should instead read as lambofnl@heavensgate.com as an example in my opinion because Ti & Do were the only Reps and Gate Keepers here. No students is a gate keeper. A medium for NL mind, yes; a gate keeper, no. Ti & Do are gone which means the Reps, aka Gate Keepers are gone. All that is left are those who still believe (former members of the Class) and new believers (those who have awakened or who are awakening). All The T.E.L.A.H. Foundation is meant to be is a literature depot, nothing else. Hopefully Mrc realizes that his only task should be that of a mail man or dispenser of NL Info (as I’m sure all of us believers are) and not some sort of Governing Body or Elder gone rogue. That’s absurd and New Age, totally outside of what Ti & Do taught. Could I do more with my tasks? Absolutely. I’m sure we all can. I’m not interested in “study purposes only”. I’m not interested in sitting within idle mode, going back to living a Heathen life (which is not what the disciples did after Jesus left), not even trying to do any overcoming, waiting like a stagnant dummy and a drifter in a “no man’s land” until my vehicle expires so I can re-incarnate into another vessel. That would be a pointless and valueless existence. It would be a fruitless existence. I ask myself why I can’t try to overcome what I can now so as not to do twice the amount of work in a future incarnation- IF the Next Level decides I should be replanted? To me, that’s common sense. Like the saying goes: “Don’t put off until tomorrow what you can do today because there may not be a tomorrow.” Nobody automatically reincarnates anyway from what I read of the Information. That’s a Buddhist and Hindu teaching – not Heaven’s Gate teaching. Mrc said otherwise in his Soundcloud interview, which was wrong, among several other things he mentioned that were wrong. You, Crl, me and others saw that with our own specs. The Next Level decides whether or not I should be replanted into a future incarnation or whether I am to remain in the discarnate world until the Spading Under, I don’t make that decision. Although there is no more Class, I just see myself as an applicant for a future Classroom circumstance. Am I worthy? No. The NL Info is the pure source. Nobody is. Am I good example? No. The NL Info is the pure source. None of us are good examples. Yet only the NL decides who gets replanted or who becomes soul waste. If we were to automatically reincarnate, like souls on an assembly line, Do (Doe) would have said so in the tapes and book.

      • sawyer Says:

        I somehow missed this xf comment and as I recall part of it was in other of his comments so I won’t comment on this one, and especially since he told me just a few days ago he was cancelling all the documentaries he had planned for weeks to do. I don’t know exactly why but I think he needs to sort things out further.

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