Luciferians teach Hybridization; Genetic Engineering & Artificial Insemination

Among the many things I am accused of the latest is that I’ve formulated my own “doctrine” to start a new religion by, because I’ve written about the “Luciferian hybridization program” and the person who accused me of this, claiming to look to Ti and Do didn’t seem to know what Do and Crew said about the subject so I put some of what they said together:

from Do’s writing in 1995, UNDERCOVER “JESUS” SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE:

13. There are space aliens (humanoid remnants from other
civilizations) who travel in the nearby heavens. They are
dependent upon Earth’s atmosphere for harvesting hybrid
bodies to “wear” and they recruit the “souls” who fail to
become children in the Kingdom of God. We call them
Luciferians because of their lineage.

Here are a number of excerpts from Beyond Human – The Last Call – Session 3 where Do talks about Luciferian space alien hybrids and related subject matter:

In this excerpt Do speaks of the space aliens having hybrid bodies because they when they fell had a, “partially completed heavenly body”:

“The moment they were cast out,
they no longer had Heavenly bodies, they had what was left of a
partially completed heavenly body – a hybrid similar to what
would happen if a caterpillar were removed from the chrysalis
before it became a butterfly.”

Next here is where Do says some of the fallen angels still have gender:

“Okay, wow! there are some identifying features of those
vehicles that they wear, not all of them, but some of them. Some
of those vehicles they wear still have gender, still have age.”

Next here is where Do talks about how the space aliens once fallen “…can lose their capacity to reproduce”. Do chooses his words very carefully and doesn’t say things he doesn’t know and only occasionally speculates, so the fact that he said they “can lose their capacity to reproduce” certainly doesn’t close the door to their having some capacity to reproduce, but as I have also said about claiming the Luciferians were performing hybridization experiments, I included that it might be through “artificial insemination” as Do also talks about here:

Do says:

“Most of them will either appear to be male or female in some
quality. Even though they might be losing some of their
“maleness” or their “femaleness,” frequently not of their own
choice, but because when in outer space and you’re outside of the
vibration of a planet that has the kind of fertilizer and the
ingredients that are primary to this garden, to this planet, they
can lose their capacity to reproduce. Not that they would want
to, but in spite of their desires. So, they have to come and rob
vehicles. They have to do artificial insemination. They have to
do genetic experimentation.”

Excerpt from the “USA TODAY” Ad/Statement put in the national and international editions on May 27, 1993 that Do wrote after having created the Beyond Human video tape series called: “UFO CULT” RESURFACES WITH FINAL OFFER re: the space aliens using “hybridization” indicating these space aliens do this to “develop races” thus shows that the hybridized vehicles can reproduce to become the start of a race, which is in line with Genesis chapter 6 for the creation of the Nephilm : which is Hebrew for “giants, mighty, great” but because of their violence against humans became the reason the Lord (Ti) chose to plow them under in the Noah flooding and start over:

“These “Luciferian” space races are the humans’ GREATEST ENEMY.
They hold humans in unknown slavery only to fulfill their own needs.
They cannot “create,” though they develop races and biological
containers through genetic manipulation and hybridization. They even
try to “make deals” with human governments to permit them (the
Luciferians) to engage in biological experimentation (through
abductions) in exchange for technically advanced modes of travel –
though they seldom follow through, for they don’t want the humans of
this civilization to grow to be another element of competition. They
war among themselves over the spoils of this planet and use religion
and increased sexual behavior to keep humans “drugged” and ignorant
(in darkness) while thinking they are in God’s keeping. These
Luciferians see to it, through the “social norm” (the largest
Luciferian “cult” there is) that man continues to not avail himself of
the possibility of advancing beyond human. Many things have become
the accepted “norm,” but that doesn’t make them right!”

Here are two excerpts from an article Jwnody wrote entitled, “Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure. (Jwnody was a primary writer but all classmates were given the opportunity to try their hand at writing which is apparent in the inclusion of a number of others in their book). Note, how Jwnody talks about hybridization, defining it as “the crossbreeding of human plants (bodies) with those of their own [space alien] species. (my contextual inclusion in brackets).

Jwnody writes:

” Not only do the space aliens need new souls to increase their
ranks, they need replacement bodies as well. Their bodies are
temporal, subject to both death and decay. They come to this planet
to literally rape and plunder its creative resources – their continued
existence depends on it. As we said before, a creative garden is
specifically designed to have life-giving properties found nowhere
else in the nearby heavens. So they come here to acquire the
relatively young, virile human DNA which they use as part of a
hybridization process, to produce the bodies that they need (to
inhabit) to extend their own physical lives. Their homeworlds (the
limited parts of the nearby heavens that they can circulate in) are
out of range of these needed creative properties, thus causing genetic
deterioration – atrophy and weakness in their species.”

“Consequently, to ensure their own survival, they resort to all
extremes of genetic manipulation using humans for their raw material –
as “laboratory animals” – which includes this hybridization, that is,
the crossbreeding of human plants (bodies) with those of their own
species. Space-alien races have learned to take the properties (data
banks and conceptual processing abilities) residing in the genetic
structure (body) they currently occupy, and incorporate them into the
new hybrid body. Therefore, significant programming is put in place
and ready to activate as they take over the biologically engineered,
and individually customized “vehicle.” The accounts of human abductees
tend to verify this activity, as they reportedly describe the
extracting of human sperm, eggs, and even fetuses for this purpose.”

Jwnody reports again in her document, Religions Are Humans’ #1 Killers of Souls

Couriers from a higher biological Kingdom Level expose
catastrophic information in a desperate attempt to salvage
souls for the Kingdom of God.

Urgent Warning: The lawless, the criminals, the major corrupters of
the inhabitants of this world, from the Kingdom of God’s point of
view, are human-equivalent space aliens who have been deliberately
deceiving – victimizing – your most prominent religious leaders.
These technologically advanced alien species have succeeded in having
these leaders look to them as “Almighty God.” They also increasingly
exploit the biological resources of this planet. It seems that they
not only abduct unwilling victims in order to extract human DNA for
genetic hybridization, but they also deliberately engineer
“misinformation viruses” designed to contaminate human perception.”

We have to all be careful as the number one Souls the Luciferians wish to infect are those who become believers in Ti and Do. It seems one of their strategies is to have some who do believe in Ti and Do, believe in them in name and idea only or in some selective belief the same way we say the Luciferians do with Paul of Tarsus. Paul demonstrated competition with the disciples of Jesus. He sought to be seen as an “apostle” which was Jesus assigned task to specific individuals who he had prepped to perform the task. Paul received none of that preparation which is why a religion resulted from his dilutions and distortions as shown throughout his writings that became the real center stone of Christianity and the reason why it is so utterly corrupted and behind the very activity Jesus would be against. After I started to re-awaken (which is never assumed to be complete and always requires being on guard and making correction to maintain furthering) I could see how the songs I was writing at the time and some of the gigs I did talked about having “universal peace” which is not the Next Level program to promote because they want those they choose to be students to look to having their peacefulness, or course between one another and even towards our enemies but required us to “have salt” in ourselves as Jesus said:

Mar 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Mar 9:50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword ((sword of his mouth/words he describes further in reference to the required separation from our human roots. However, because of the response to this the literal sword is employed by those in league with the lower forces against these and in order to promote the Luciferian agenda and the competition among the space races)).
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mat 10:36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Speaking to how easy it can be to get off the straight and narrow…

Also from the same Beyond Human video tape, Do talks about how the fallen angels started to influence humans relative to the contactee reports from people like Adamski, etc. and came up with today’s space alien worship and/or seeing the Next Level as the “cosmic consciousness” and “universal mind” that we see promoted by New Age so called spiritual elite around the globe like the Raelians who then tie into a tiny few selected things Jesus said and the now distorted ideas from Gautama Buddha to form their facsimile of Next Level true information:

Do says:

“If you read the records supposedly of people
who’ve had encounters with space aliens, whether it’s Adamski’s
camp, or we could sit and talk about that kind of stuff for some
time, about so-called encounters of the third kind or the fourth
kind, where they got information from certain space aliens that
would say, “It isn’t exactly like you’re told in your Bible. We
do lose our bodies, but we live a lot longer than your bodies.
They might last several hundred years or they might have an
extension quite a bit longer than yours.” Therefore, the person
who’s hearing all that thinks that he’s listening to members of
the Kingdom of Heaven, that he’s coming to the reality of what
the Kingdom of Heaven really is, and he’s shocked by it. He
thinks, “Wow, all those religious ideas I had were off base,” not
realizing that the camp he’s talking to created those off-base
religious ideas, and even now is selling you, or selling that
individual who’s having that experience, on “I am from the
Kingdom of Heaven. We did create those religions on your planet.
We are trying to help you move up the ladder so that you could
serve in our kingdom, and help us in our pursuit of ‘universal
mind,’ ‘cosmic consciousness,’ becoming ‘gods’.” ”

 

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42 Responses to “Luciferians teach Hybridization; Genetic Engineering & Artificial Insemination”

  1. Glaive Says:

    Sawyer, what’s all this got to do with your statement “Luciferians created white rase”?
    Nothing.
    “Luciferians created white race” is nothing but your speculation.
    As far as I know Do never stated anything like that. You failed to prove you’re right. As for the subject, sure I’m familiar with it. Back in time I did a research on Dulce base. Scary stuff… I wrote a long article about this. Let’s say, I was a journalist then.

    • sawyer Says:

      Agree Do never said that so I may be wrong but if you are going to quote me can you quote the entire sentence. I’m not so good with words that I say things concise, as you and others know. If that is exactly what I said then I can see how that was inappropriate. I can’t imagine I gave no examples and qualification because that is the truth that I don’t know but have been wondering about it because knew they were doing hybridization using human sperm and eggs and/or possibly their own sperm as some as Do said had male and female vehicles still as they were incomplete Next Level bodies. I took that together with the fact that Ti and Do and most of the crew took so called “white” physical vehicles and it made sense to me that returning Old Members, though not Ti necessarily, would take a vehicle that might be one of the hardest to overcome. Ti did tell us the story of when Do saw Lucifer in a book store I thought was a Portland book store which would have been pre-1976. And I’ve been deciphering prophecy for a long time now and it’s said that some will be given “white linen” vehicles and the white used was reflective of color/lack of being compared to “snow” and “lambs wool”. And Ti and Do said these new graduates would be replacing the ones who fell – Lucifer and his associates in the Next Level tasks they once had. And Do said that some who were in the class would have to return, but he indicated they would still be awarded a physical body grown for them by the Next Level. Ti and Do also said that adam by falling started a “reverse metamorphosis” that “didn’t take very long to happen” that resulted in his becoming reproductive with eve. He also said Adam’s vehicle was a next level vehicle and so it made sense to me that perhaps it was a vehicle like the Luciferians had when they fell because the point of the garden experiment was to subject others who were at the same student membership with a testing criteria to see if they could overcome the influence of the Luciferians over them.

      So perhaps I should say it could have been Lucifers seed that “lightened” the skin color – adam = “red, or ruddy, blood in faced” human. Then with the gog and magog research, here is an excerpt of commentary helped show some stuff, “where the Ezekiel 38:2-3. Set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog — We find, Genesis 10:2, that the second son of Japhet was called Magog, but Ezekiel uses the word here as the name of the country of which Gog was prince: and Michaelis thinks that it denotes those vast regions to the north of India and China, which the Greeks called Scythia, and which we term Tartary. Houbigant also thinks that the prophet here means the Scythians, who are the descendants of Magog, the son of Japhet, and whose neighbours were the people of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal; that is, the Russians, Muscovites, and Tibareni, or Cappadocians; and thus Theodoret and Josephus understand it. The Turks are generally allowed to be of Scythian origin. Scythopolis and Hierapolis, which cities the Scythians took when they overcame Syria, were ever after by the Syrians called Magog: see Plin, 50. 5. c. 23.”

      Then we allegedly have the light shade of grey vehicles found in some of the crashes.
      There’s more clues around this premise.

      Generally northern people who seem to be mostly light skinned or white.

      • Glaive Says:

        No, this won’t go, Sawyer. You have absolutely a zero proof.
        Give me the word of Do, or, at least some empirical evidence, not your vague guesses about what’s written in the Bible. It’s never a proof (I explained why). So, please, stop right here. I won’t buy Sawyerism, this new religion of yours.
        Did you pay attention how often Do says “I don’t know”? Stop acting like you know better and for sure.

        P.S. If you want some empirical info about the subject, you may search for Human Genome Project data. It makes clear that 2% of human DNA is basically “alien” (junk DNA, but whatever). And it’s not about just whites, it’s about everyone – blacks, Asians, Australians… Any human on Earth has 2% of alien DNA. They are all carriers.

        Then this article – http://news.discovery.com/space/alien-life-exoplanets/could-an-alien-message-be-embedded-in-our-genetic-code-130401.htm
        Applies to any human being, with no any exception.

        Enjoy the reading.

      • sawyer Says:

        Did you not read the quotes of Do and Jwnody, I put in this post about the alien hybridization programs and what they described of the space aliens partially completed vehicles still having male and female characteristics and some maybe still able to reproduce?

        If you can’t accept what Do says, fine, leave it at that but if you are going to disagree and then call me names whose truth are you representing. Why would I care what humans said about it when I have a number of things Do said? Are you saying Do didn’t mean what I’m saying he meant. If its about the white stuff, fine perhaps I’m totally wrong about that. You don’t answer my questions about what you are thinking and don’t show me anything Do said to show me how my thinking may not be from his mind and then you act as if I’m creating this new religion.

        I guess that’s what you are calling sawyerism – my interpretatins of the records and then saying I can’t quote Do on them so they are all wrong. Well if that’s the case then how can you believe in ti and do if you don’t believe in what they said were dependable records – “everything Jesus said” which there’s no reason to not believe includes the book of revelations they also said “will all be fulfilled” or do you think I’ve made those two points up. If so I will show you one and the other would be in the audio tapes.

        If you believe in Ti and Do why would you be against my proving they were who they said they were by the records themselves? That is the point of my work on the records to give Christians or anyone with a belief in Jesus another chance to see the truth before it’s recycle time. Why do you have to frame that effort as a put down? If I was saying something other than what Ti and Do taught by my interpretations of the records then I could recognize your objections but that must be a case by case basis unless you are siding with others to just be against my saying anything that’s not exactly the words Do used about anything, when you don’t even know all the exact words Do used to say things. Am I wrong about that? You won’t answer those questions? Have you listened to all the audio tapes. Have you memorized all the Beyond Human tapes and understood everything he said in them and agreed with everything he said in them as well as the rest of the tapes and writings?

        But instead of doing that kind of research or taking the time to hear what I have to say in response to what you say seemingly off the cuff, you complain that I write too much or I don’t quote Do when you haven’t even read what I wrote or scanned it so quickly with a filter that was saying a rote no, no, that just can’t be because you have some human documente that says otherwise and then still claim to believe in Ti and Do.

        You really showed your influences colors to anyone who isn’t colorblind with that bit about your asking the Next Level about me and getting back that vague answer, something to the affect of, “Sawyer hasn’t read the book so doesn’t know what’s in it”. Do you claim to have a book from Ti and Do I don’t? Or Do you have someone else you look to who you think is from the Next Level that has some book? This sounds like trickery but you may not be aware of it because of how it may have puffed you up which would explain why you are so resentful sounding of my scripture interpretations.

        If you put the truth above self, then you would have to at the least carefully examine what I’ve worked on a great deal and have some experience with instead of casting what I say out the door even before hardly giving it a chance. If you had given things a chance, then you’d be able to say…this made sense to me and this didn’t and here’s why. That would be productive but instead you just send me a statement about the pale/green horse being islam and then when I press you, something about the four colors on the flags that include white and green.

        Actually I’m not done examining that. In fact I’m not done examining all of the scriptures. I’m constantly seeing how I missed this and that or could better support this or that with another this or that and can always improve on how to present it. So I’m not saying there isn’t something to what you said about Islam being represented but as I say to Christians and atheists and spiritualists all the time, I can agree with them honestly BUT THERE IS MORE TO SEE and they often run the other way or call me names and cut me off from further communication because they like what they have and don’t want to upset the applecart which frankly appears to be the same responses I’m getting from you, except with you, you claim to be on the Ti and Do side, yet another twist of misinformation. If we are not specific and if we don’t quote Do or say what he said, just using slightly different words that mean the same things then there’s only one other place to be coming from and that is from a place of misinformation.

        You can say I was putting out misinformation by suggesting white skin may have come from the Luciferian fallen angels mixing their seed with the red skin adamic race the Next Level started, but I didn’t say that in a vacuum. I listed a bunch of things both Ti and Do said in a number of places and times and were in both the Old and things in the New Testament records and considered reports about the space aliens from certain human books Do brought us and assigned us to read certain parts of, to include the autopsy reports from Leonard Stringfield that indicated some of the vehicles in at least one crash had what looked like an atrophied reproductive organ that correlates with Do saying in space those systems do atrophy.

        Then I did some research re: gog and magog that also shows some factors to consider.

        And you could care less it seems except to try to reverse it to my creating a religion which is a total lie and is therefore deceitful to say and resembles lots of things the Father of Lies says. Sure if the Next Level wasn’t recycling and even if they do and they allow certain records to come available and someone prints out what I’ve said about the whites and only sees part of it, then sure that could become the basis of misinformation so yes it behooves us to be cautious but the facts are that even if I just kept all I said to what Ti and Do said, it would be twisted and turned the way all that Jesus said was twisted and turned. And yet the Next Level didn’t say to Jesus what he couldn’t talk about. And Do never told us what not to talk about either.

        If white and dark skin color wasn’t such a major source of problems it would be a no brainer. But it’s like my saying that was breaking the rules of the holy grael and who are going to have the biggest problem with it – well, we know it’s not going to be the dark skinned vehicles. And for those what may read this, I have a white vehicle and from the picture Gaive posted so does he.

        You also appear to be quite nationalistic talking to me that I needed to travel to learn the truth about things. Why is that? Did Ti and Do come to the America’s and when Do and his helpers traveled to Israel they came back and said they didn’t feel there was any Next Level mind there anymore (paraphrased). I wasn’t in the class when they made that trip but I was in the class when he was considering whether or not to make that trip.

        I think I told you about the Ti and Do believer named Soren who was in Germany I believe when he somehow got in touch with Do and Crew and I do know that he was told to try to come to the U.S. and Do even had his crew write in the letters that went to mark and sarah to make one car available to him if he came. And as you know but I’m writing for those that read this blog, that I invited you to come to the U.S. because you said you weren’t finding anyone that seemed to be receptive to Ti and Do where you were – I think it was in Ireland at the time but I may be wrong about that. And you agreed to come and while you were preparing I said some things about the origin of white vehicles coming from hybridization efforts by the space alien/fallen angels as shown in Genesis 6 and the book of Enoch and from things Do said and that many reports of abductions, etc.

        And you were, “no way” and starting telling me of your experience and knowledge that said a hybrid can’t reproduce, if I recall. We had a major disagreement on this issue at that time and I knew your coming to be where I am to help me wasn’t going to work but I left it alone and you arrived at that just the same. So that subject was a catalyst that showed we were not nearly on the same page in terms of what we are each willing to believe. I don’t have much school learning. I did terrible in high school – could care less about any subject and flunked out of college in my first year as I hated it all and only did it to please my parents who thought they were doing the right thing if they sent me to college.

        It wasn’t until 2001 that I started to dig into subjects related to the sciences so I have zero programming to combat in that regard. Human intellect can be a big stumbling block but of course there are many that are just as big it seems. I fell because though I didn’t have much university styled intellect I did have an ego and a weakness that allowed sensuality to take hold of me so it’s no better or worse. And I run into things Do says that I have trouble with but I know that’s my problem not his as even if he’s wrong, I’ve got to make him right to bond with him and the trick to doing that starts with conceding that we might be wrong and one can get to the point that they accept that they were wrong for whatever reason as we all do have plenty of evidence of being wrong that is if we even consider it but it doesn’t mean we are all wrong.

        Frankly for me I could care less if I’m right or wrong about my interpretations of scripture if it’s what I feel I’ve come upon from an effort to say what Ti and Do would have me say about it. And that goes for this white thing and the hybridization thing. I lose nothing by being wrong about these things. What can happen to me? But for whatever it’s worth, if you can’t imagine being wrong and you expect to be in a future Ti and Do classroom, you could benefit from practicing being okay with being wrong.

        I’d bet there are things Do said that you have a hard time swallowing. We can pull a trick on ourselves buy saying, “I could be wrong about thinking Do is wrong”, then moving that to, “I don’t know why this is so hard for me to come to but I’m going to trust in what Do says and accept that I was wrong about what I thought about it”

        We had a lesson that was thought of as related to these tents we had that were called “leisure ports”. Ti and Do told us that we have to get to the point that if they say the leisure ports are polka dotted, we’d see them as polka dotted even if before that we thought they were just one color with no pattern whatsoever. They were a pale green. It was strange to hear that but I wanted to accept it so it became one of those things I put on the back burner to experience. Then we did have a situation come up that tested me and others to this day. Srrody and I were in charge of the audio tape library – the meeting tapes. We would set them up for each meeting and make the label, etc. Sometimes Do would have us edit out something, usually when there was a little talk that followed someone suddenly leaving we sort of expressed signs we saw of that though we didn’t know what to make of them. Do didn’t want that on tape. It wasn’t judgmental. No one said, they are going to burn in hell or anything like that. Srrody and I and some others, jwnody I believe was one and perhaps mrcody and srfody all thought Do had given srrody and I instructions to erase the meeting tapes, which we started to do, by putting it on record to just record static or the tape players engine noise. It wasn’t a stat task so we just did a little everyday and some days didn’t do any. Srrody was always the primary on that task so I never instigate when to do it. I just served as his check partner something we had for most everything we did.

        Then one day, Do said something about what to do with the tapes – I think it had to do with starting a task to transcribe them and our jaws dropped in disbelief and Do said he never gave that instruction to erase the tapes and frankly I thought otherwise but then I knew who Do was so I was conflicted and not liking that feeling just put it off.

        Interestingly enough it wasn’t but some days after that, that mrcody (mark) showed that he would not say “I could be wrong” in front of making a statement of fact which was our lesson step then to incorporate. It was not something to put on a statement necessarily, if for instance it was raining out and someone needed to know it, say on the telephone and the one on the phone couldn’t see for themselves so asked. To say, “I could be wrong but it appears to be raining outside”. However it wouldn’t be wrong to say that because it still starts to program the brain to open their mind to seeing more of what an Older Member would see.

        But mrcody was not really using that statement at all and that became a breaking point to where after several weeks of trying to help him adopt the lesson step, and his refusing, Do told him he had to leave the classroom. Srfody strangely just sided with him as if to comfort him in his anguish of being on the hot seat though I don’t know if it was a hot seat to him. I mean we had a procedure to call “help wanted meetings” for someone if they weren’t changing. Not anybody could call such a meeting. The overseers could. And one could call their own help wanted meeting. We had two or maybe three help wanted meetings called by overseers and by Do for mrcody. At one point Do had mrcody sit on his lap and he held him like one would hold a baby. It was so weird I have to say.

        When Do decided he had to leave and srfody with him, he instructed every student to say goodbye and say to him (them) one by one that if he (they) wanted to abide by the lesson step he (they) could return. It’s interesting how it was always hard for me to imagine how a third of a classroom could have sided and fell with Lucifer. But in a sense that’s what happened when Srfody sided with Mrcody and went with him and remains together and got married and all. Now, I want to remind anyone reading this that I too by dropping out “fell” though I wasn’t “cast out” – I left by my own choice because I knew I was a hypocrite as I hadn’t got a handle over stopping myself from masturbating. I’ve told that story many times so I’m not going to repeat it here but it’s in this blog and in a video on my youtube channel 3spm. All dropouts are siding with the Luciferians though don’t have to remain on their side and there may be degrees of siding with them. To speak against them would certainly be a much graver “sin” than not taking against them. I say this because I broke my vows and the vows were set up that for some, the “major offenses” there was a penalty that could be imposed, which was to be told to leave the classroom.

        Do told me that because my infraction didn’t involve anyone else he didn’t feel I would be told to leave the classroom and he also told me I had Next Level member qualities so didn’t want to “throw me away”. However, I can never assume that. Any of us could certainly do things that might anger Ti and Do to cut us off. This is where it can be a great value to fear the Lord.

      • sawyer Says:

        So it doesn’t matter what Do says then. That answers that. Your saying you believe in Ti and Do and look to them but in this case you don’t. At least it’s clear. Or am I summing that up wrongly?

      • sawyer Says:

        That was a good article but said nothing about the 2% DNA alien stuff you talked about or “junk” DNA.

        You know in some of my debates with atheistic leaning science geeks they often claim I use “circular logic” which I actually think can be a good thing to use logic to make connections but they use it as a negative that it’s delusionally supports itself. So how about this statement from this article:

        “We know so little about the origin of life on Earth it seems presumptive to identify genetic structure that supposedly defies a natural explanation. Even the discovery of life elsewhere in the solar system would not provide an independent test of this idea.”

        It’s always telling when someone says what isn’t so and especially when admitting what they don’t know. One of those appropriately named oxy-morons.

        summarized as, “We know so little so can’t presume there’s anything that defies nature that we know so little about”.

      • sawyer Says:

        “junk” DNA tells me they just don’t know what it might do. Saying “no exception” is like saying, I am ignorant to reality as the rule is that there are exceptions to everything.

        When people say something provides “empirical evidence” they often ignore electromagnet perceptions among humans like those of the mind – intuition, synchronicities, precognition, dream states as a doorway to the conscious mind. Plus within the basic 5 senses there is the potential for a significant range. Ti taught us how to “see more” of what exists. I wonder if the human genome project talks about these. I have a lot of examples from my own experience. One can say they are all coincidental or imagined but then also what is imagination.

        you can often tell when someone talks like they know something when they really “don’t know what they don’t know” (part of a Ti and Do saying) – they use absolutes like saying, “no exception”. And then when one qualifys too much some will say, they are wishy washy or seem confused, lack confidence because they don’t put on the air of authority.

        Do had a little joke he would occasionally tell, “What do you call an expert? Answer; “a has been drip”.

      • Glaive Says:

        Alright, let’s dissect this your wall of text.

        “Did you not read the quotes of Do and Jwnody, I put in this post about the alien hybridization programs and what they described of the space aliens partially completed vehicles still having male and female characteristics and some maybe still able to reproduce?”

        I read everything, so I remember well that neither Do, nor Jwnody didn’t state “Luciferians created white race of humans through alien hybridisation programs”. You did.
        I also read that “maybe”, and not “for sure”. And what I definitely didn’t read, that’s “Sawyer knows better”.

        “If you can’t accept what Do says, fine, leave it at that but if you are going to disagree and then call me names whose truth are you representing”

        I do accept what Do said, I don’t accept your speculations about “what Do might say”. Because you are only human and why should I care what human speculates about it?

        “I guess that’s what you are calling sawyerism – my interpretatins of the records and then saying I can’t quote Do on them so they are all wrong. Well if that’s the case then how can you believe in ti and do if you don’t believe in what they said…”

        Straw man detected. You just created a straw man.
        It’s disrespect from you.

        “You don’t answer my questions about what you are thinking and don’t show me anything Do said to show me how my thinking may not be from his mind and then you act as if I’m creating this new religion”

        There’s no reason to talk about what I’m thinking, because you don’t listen. You listen only to yourself. You are unable even follow the thought. So why should I bother?

        “If you believe in Ti and Do why would you be against my proving they were who they said they were by the records themselves?”

        Ti and Do proved it Themselves. Your assistance is not necessary, and knownig you, it might be even misleading.

        “But instead of doing that kind of research or taking the time to hear what I have to say in response to what you say seemingly off the cuff, you complain that I write too much or I don’t quote Do when you haven’t even read what I wrote or scanned it so quickly with a filter that was saying a rote no, no, that just can’t be because you have some human documente that says otherwise and then still claim to believe in Ti and Do”

        No, Sawyer, that’s you failed to prove you are right about Luciferian origins of white-skinned human race, even with human documents. Because Do never stated that, human (well, let’s say scientific) documents on this subject are absent, and all you have it’s just your vague guess about what’s written in the Bible. Which is never a proof.

        “You really showed your influences colors to anyone who isn’t colorblind with that bit about your asking the Next Level about me and getting back that vague answer, something to the affect of, “Sawyer hasn’t read the book so doesn’t know what’s in it”. Do you claim to have a book from Ti and Do I don’t? Or Do you have someone else you look to who you think is from the Next Level that has some book? This sounds like trickery but you may not be aware of it because of how it may have puffed you up which would explain why you are so resentful sounding of my scripture interpretations”

        Another straw man detected. And what’s so special about your interpretations? After all, you are a mere human being, your interpretations might be flawed. Or would you claim otherwise?
        Why don’t you ask Ti and Do about me and my communications with Them? Why don’t you ask it yourself? Do it. Or maybe you are scared? I’m not.

        “If you put the truth above self, then you would have to at the least carefully examine what I’ve worked on a great deal and have some experience with instead of casting what I say out the door even before hardly giving it a chance. If you had given things a chance, then you’d be able to say…this made sense to me and this didn’t and here’s why. That would be productive but instead you just send me a statement about the pale/green horse being islam and then when I press you, something about the four colors on the flags that include white and green”

        White, red, black and green. I’ve no ambition to rewrite the Book of Revelations, so feel free to cast out the door all of my curious observations. Ti and Do, Their words above all, my interpretation attempts means nothing. And the same goes to your interpretation attempts.

        “You can say I was putting out misinformation by suggesting white skin may have come from the Luciferian fallen angels mixing their seed with the red skin adamic race the Next Level started, but I didn’t say that in a vacuum. I listed a bunch of things both Ti and Do said in a number of places and times and were in both the Old and things in the New Testament records and considered reports about the space aliens from certain human books Do brought us and assigned us to read certain parts of, to include the autopsy reports from Leonard Stringfield that indicated some of the vehicles in at least one crash had what looked like an atrophied reproductive organ that correlates with Do saying in space those systems do atrophy”

        That’s correct, in space reproductive systems do atrophy. Earth with its gravity is required to make ’em work properly.
        But you failed to prove that “Luciferians created white race of humans through alien hybridisation programs”, anyway, remember? Show me, at least, a data on Luciferian signature in a genome of pureblood Viking, that is absent in any other race genome, and I’ll consider this. You’ve no such data. You cannot bring the words of Do, as well. Because Do never stated that Luciferians created white-skinned human beings. Your speculations doesn’t matter.

        “And you could care less it seems except to try to reverse it to my creating a religion which is a total lie and is therefore deceitful to say and resembles lots of things the Father of Lies says”

        Oh, really? You’ve almost stated (no, you actually did) that you are that special so new believers can come to Ti and Do throuh your assistance. Because – oh, my! – you’ve been among the Class for 19 years. Basically, you’ve proclaimed yourself a prophet or something. What’s it if not creating a new religion (Sawyerism^^)?
        In fact, as I said previously, I couldn’t care less. Do whatever you like. In the end, it’s your soul you are going to ruin, not mine.

        “If white and dark skin color wasn’t such a major source of problems it would be a no brainer. But it’s like my saying that was breaking the rules of the holy grael and who are going to have the biggest problem with it – well, we know it’s not going to be the dark skinned vehicles. And for those what may read this, I have a white vehicle and from the picture Gaive posted so does he”

        And why do you care about problems existing in a world of humans? It’s not our task to change the world.
        By the way it’s “Glaive”, with “l” as the second letter.

        “You also appear to be quite nationalistic talking to me that I needed to travel to learn the truth about things”

        You are lying, because I never said that. I said “you should travel the world just for the sake of to be familiar with it”. Stop twisting what I said.
        And nationalistic? So what nation do I belong to? This vehicle is a mixture breed, and it even doesn’t represent the natives of my country of origin. You didn’t know it, because you never asked. You prefer to create another straw man.

        “And you were, “no way” and starting telling me of your experience and knowledge that said a hybrid can’t reproduce, if I recall. We had a major disagreement on this issue at that time and I knew your coming to be where I am to help me wasn’t going to work but I left it alone and you arrived at that just the same. So that subject was a catalyst that showed we were not nearly on the same page in terms of what we are each willing to believe”

        No. I had doubts about you from the very beginning. Then I thought maybe there’s something I can learn from you, then I’ve got THAT answer “no, there isn’t”, and with your current behavior you just prove you’re not the right person I should stick with. US is not better than EU. Besides, situation changed dramatically within the last months over here, so I guess it’s a right decision to stay where I am and die for my faith someday eventually. I don’t have to run away.

        “So it doesn’t matter what Do says then. That answers that. Your saying you believe in Ti and Do and look to them but in this case you don’t. At least it’s clear. Or am I summing that up wrongly?”

        Straw man detected. Stop creating and then fighting them.

        “That was a good article but said nothing about the 2% DNA alien stuff you talked about or “junk” DNA”

        Because this article is about slightly different subject. You should search for Human Genome Project data, if you want to find about “alien” 2%. I clearly told you so. Do you even understand what I write? English is not my 1st language, but I believe it isn’t THAT bad.

        “When people say something provides “empirical evidence” they often ignore electromagnet perceptions among humans like those of the mind – intuition, synchronicities, precognition, dream states as a doorway to the conscious mind. Plus within the basic 5 senses there is the potential for a significant range. Ti taught us how to “see more” of what exists. I wonder if the human genome project talks about these”

        Yes. It does. Believe it or not.

        If you still want to talk would you, please, be so kind to limit your response to 100-120 lines? Thank you in advance.

      • sawyer Says:

        So to be clear if I remove “created white race” so to say, “Luciferians use hybridization to produce vehicles for their use” you would remove your calling me a Luciferian starting my own religion from your rhetoric? (I am not desiring that you remove that language, just want to understand what your objections are, since that one seemed to be a straw that broke the camels back that seemed to send everything I said afterwards to the sawyerism category in your mind).

        You said, “There’s no reason to talk about what I’m thinking, because you don’t listen. You listen only to yourself. You are unable even follow the thought. So why should I bother?”

        What is the example of not listening to you. The islam claim to be the pale/green horse? I told you I’m still thinking about that (not saying you care the I think about it, but it is evidence that I listen to what you say is it not?

        So you make up these words to label me by, as “sawyerism” because I engage in interpretation of Jesus prophecy and then when I show how those interpretations relate to Ti and Do, it’s a strawman explanation? Who is being the real strawman and how is that disrespecting you. I’m not the one calling you names, accusing you of starting a religion that is anti Ti and Do and thus Luciferian. You cast all the stones and then when seek the reasons behind the stone casting, I’m spinning it???

        You said, “Ti and Do proved it Themselves. Your assistance is not necessary, and knownig you, it might be even misleading.”

        Another insult by the way “knowing you it might even be misleading”

        Opinion based on what? to say, “your assistance is not necessary”. Did Do tell you that? Then why can’t it be necessary? Show me by something Do said that my provion of revelations interpretation is not necessary????

        You said, “No, Sawyer, that’s you failed to prove you are right about Luciferian origins of white-skinned human race, even with human documents. Because Do never stated that, human (well, let’s say scientific) documents on this subject are absent, and all you have it’s just your vague guess about what’s written in the Bible. Which is never a proof.”

        Vague guess? could I at least put in there a little bit of an “educated guess”. How is the list of things I’ve expressed that went into that “consideration” amounted to being vague? Do I need to list them better. I’m sure I’ve learned more since first writing that about the whites, I mean that put the idea into question and still keep it alive for consideration. Hey why don’t I have the right to continue to seek to understand the many many things Ti and Do said in relationship to the many things written in the prophecys of revelations that Ti and Do said “all would be fulfilled” which came from “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” published by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was entirely about Ti and Do and included their statement about that. Do also wrote that he hoped people would get a chance to learn more about them. This was said to Mark and Sarah in a letter that I have days before they exited. Well I happen to know a great deal of what they were about or do you deny me that experience? So why wouldn’t I use that experience in consideration of re-interpretation of the prophecy they said would be fulfilled as a way to show some who may be interested in it. You are not, so that’s fine but why does your opinion result in calling me names and saying directly I’m working for Luciferians and against Ti and Do because of??

        another judgement to say, that sawyer’s “interpretations mean nothing”. Maybe you could add, “to me they mean nothing”. By the way I never said they meant nothing, you are putting words in my mouth. Please don’t do that if you want to have a decent communication. By the way I’m not putting words in your mouth by suggesting being more accurate to what’s real in suggesting you add “to me they mean nothing”. I’m not saying you said that or meant to say that. Isn’t it true that this was your opinion or is it a fact that sawywers interpretations mean nothing?

        I said you “appear to be nationalistic”. How is that lying. The appearance of something is an observation and/or opinion or consideration is it not, not a lie. If I said. You are nationalistic” that could be called a lie to say, unless I qualified it as my opinion. So I stand corrected on that score. I didn’t know why you thought I needed to travel. It sounded to me that you thought I was seeing things in a limited way by not having first hand experience with the feelings of the “old” world I think I recall your calling Europe.

        – Evidence of this please: Oh, really? You’ve almost stated (no, you actually did) that you are that special so new believers can come to Ti and Do throuh your assistance. Because – oh, my! – you’ve been among the Class for 19 years. Basically, you’ve proclaimed yourself a prophet or something. What’s it if not creating a new religion (Sawyerism^^)? In fact, as I said previously, I couldn’t care less. Do whatever you like. In the end, it’s your soul you are going to ruin, not mine.”

        More judgementalism saying to me, “your going to ruin your soul”. Where did I say to anyone at anytime new believers can come to Ti and Do through my assistance? But even so, if I say somethiugn about Ti and Do on a comment, on this blog, in a post, on a video and someone sees it and didn’t know about Ti and Do before that and then does come to believe in Ti and Do, havn’t I become an instrument in the delivery of that information? What’s wrong with that? Why does that make me a prophet? And what is prophecy by the way, but “being inspired to speak publically”. I’m not forcasting the future, except in trying to interpret some of Jesus and related speakers in the records – the inspired part. Doesn’t it really amount to what we say and do. In other words, if it’s the truth we are after, what’s real about what Ti and Do said and did and how it can be seen to apply in today’s world during this “time of great trouble” period that it’s hard to deny is escalating, what is wrong with that? Why does it have to equate to looking like I’m building my self up. You are not by far the first person to leverage this claim against me, without cause by the way. If you could list the specific things I say that are against what Ti and Do taught then I would correct them. But why is it that accusations come easy and no specifics. Sure you can say the stuff about whites is one thing but Do didn’t say otherwise did he, so even that is not empirical.

        I didn’t recall that English wasn’t your first language though I’m I’m bet you told me so I’m not faulting you for that. But that might be part of our problem as I seem to be nailing you down to words you say or don’t say and perhaps I’m putting too much weight on words but frankly I don’t know how else to communicate as I have no other language skills.

        No your English is rather excellent in my opinion. It’s the attitude that I find difficult to deal with. Like saying, “I clearly told you so. Do you even understand what I write?” but maybe that’s a cultural way of speaking to another to sound like one is being put in their place by those words, but I can see that I could overreact to them, except when you combine statements like that with being told I don’t listen, am Luciferian, am going against ti and do, am trying to be the prophet to have people look to me as the big shot, to be trying to create a new religion called sawyerism, I’m getting fairly jaded I guess.

        So now I’ve got to count lines. You must be joking right.

      • sawyer Says:

        by the way you didn’t respond to what to me is a major deal what you said about asking the Next Level about Sawyer? What book didn’t I read or did I get that wrong?

      • Glaive Says:

        “So to be clear if I remove “created white race” so to say, “Luciferians use hybridization to produce vehicles for their use” you would remove your calling me a Luciferian starting my own religion”
        ———
        Let’s say, this would be a start.

        But I’m still watching you ^^

      • Glaive Says:

        “by the way you didn’t respond to what to me is a major deal what you said about asking the Next Level about Sawyer? What book didn’t I read or did I get that wrong?”
        ———
        Ask Them.

      • sawyer Says:

        come on Glaive, that’s not the way it works. I don’t ask Ti and Do about what you said they said about me. I mean, sure I can ask that, but I wouldn’t as that’s like asking Ti and Do to engage in human hearsay and innuendo or ego posturing and gossip which they abhore and might even fall under the category of “taking the name of the Lord in vain”, like Jesus talked about use of “vain repetitions” and verbosity in talk with the Next Level.

        You either know what it’s about or you don’t or don’t want to say. All else is a mind game and less than truth fullness but of course you don’t owe me anything or need to be truthful with me.

      • Glaive Says:

        “You either know what it’s about or you don’t or don’t want to say”
        ———–
        I don’t want to say. Or, being more precise, I don’t want to start and continue this kind of conversation. So that’s it.

      • sawyer Says:

        For whatever it might be worth to you, to take this example into Ti and Do’s classroom, if such a thing came up between partners I am 99% sure Ti and Do would have said it was an “influence” that person was listening to and believing in. That can be hard to take, but it’s the truth that ALL of us are plagued by influences, and even specific “advasaries” and especially so for those that have received a soul deposit and especially so for those that consider themselves believers and/or students of Ti and Do, then during the time they were incarnate and thereafter.

        Even if it’s objectionable to refer to todays lesson opportunities as a “classroom”, it’s clear the lesson opportunities continue or there would have been no point to leaving information behind for us with all sorts of detailed indications that they expected new believers and continued lessons.

        Even if Ti and Do and Crew would say something to someone about another, we can see many, many examples that they wouldn’t be vague about it. One can even see in many of the prophecies that seemed to be laying out general ideas mixed with specific ideas, they would often repeat themselves within the same vision/dream to add more potential to understand. The book of Revelations is full of cross references as is Daniel’s writings who Jesus referred to and also can be cross referenced to the Book of Revelations.

      • Glaive Says:

        Yes, Sawyer, I am going to study information Ti and Do left behind, until my last day on Earth. But I don’t need you as a teacher. Please, get over it, okay?

      • sawyer Says:

        I guess I need to overcome coming across as a teacher since I can’t just write off your criticisms as you are also not alone in that. Meanwhile if something I pass on is from Ti and Do’s mind which I know you will scrutinize, then it does become teachings are they not? I believe we have to be willing to accept such teachings from anyone who might be used by the Next Level to help us, thus I from you, as I have and will continue to keep in mind.

        I know you don’t need me as a teacher, nor do you need me for anything, nor do you need anyone, nor Do but if you expect to be in a Next Level classroom, then you do need as open an acceptance of criticism as you can muster because the classroom was all about taking criticism and having our every word and action scrutinized, often by classmates that we had no chemistry with which made for lots of conflicts.

        I never was in it, that is “teacher mode as in ego teacher mode”, though like I said, you seem to see it that way so I have to pay attention to it and as Do would say, paraphrased, “if the shoe fits, wear it – if not, don’t” that I have direct experience with his saying that to me when I was troubled about having offered correction to Alxody, my partner. I am actually somewhat of a wuss when it comes to offering correction to others when in person but whether it’s a negative or not, this forum, being removed from the direct negativity that comes when we offer another something their influences don’t want us to hear and receive makes it easier.

        Three have been many times I offered someone a view that was critical of them that I didn’t want to log back in to see their angry response. I am affected by the things you say and that others have said and I get that personally as well and because of that have to tread very lightly which is a good exercise anyway because it isn’t a Next Level way to Lord over others and especially when they are not asking.

        In this forum I’m a sitting duck for all sorts of attacks. If I took them all to heart as I used to I’d be unable to breath. This is the territory and is what I need. Look at today, I now have two people mocking me as starting “sawyerism” and what’s that founded on… some opinions I have about interpretation of prophecy and things Ti and Do have said in combination with events in the news?

        Every extreme must be thrown at us because many have become like darts thriving on having a target, first with thoughts, then with words, then for some with bullets. They have become what they think, the content of their mind has justified their actions. Like Do said, “the weeds have taken over the garden…”

        Is there not a difference between someone who shares what they learned from Ti and Do and attempts to apply those lessons to today’s events, as fallible as I can be, from someone who is attempting to be another’s teacher? In the way you are seeming to express it, every student who was assigned another student to be their partner and was instructed that they would be our “mirror” of what we each needed to change, would be fought against whether they were correct in their observation or not as if they were attempting to put themselves in Do’s place, while that is what we each must do, make ourselves an extension of Do’s Mind and example. The attitude that it’s my problem could be one of the things that would keep you off a spacecraft crew if you can’t get over it. I’m not saying it would be, but the other service of others to us, is how if we can act negative towards those who only care about trying to be an extension of Ti and Do’s mind then what will we do when we are with the Older Members and they are in a human vehicle and are telling us what’s on their mind? If you review the 17 steps and the major and minor offense list you can see for yourself how many things were said about the way in which we see fellow students.

      • Glaive Says:

        “nor Do but if you expect to be in a Next Level classroom, then you do need as open an acceptance of criticism”

        Sawyer, it’s rarely a criticism that’s coming from you. Mostly you just create a straw man. Btw, “straw man” = “lies”, such is the ground meaning of this fallacy.

        “while that is what we each must do, make ourselves an extension of Do’s Mind and example”

        Agreed, just not mix Do’s Mind with system’s brainwash and propaganda (as you do it from time to time). And if and when you do it, you always get an abomination called Sawyerism as a result.

        If you really consider there’s still a Classroom, mind that you already committed one major and several lesser offenses. Yet, I am not the one to judge you, all I want to say is… Well, I admit, I am a sinner, and I take a responsibility for it, but… it doesn’t erase your sins.

      • sawyer Says:

        Admitting to be a sinner has it’s value but what I am reminded of right now is that Ti and Do had us come up with a “remedy” to each of our “slippages” that we confessed before the congregation. I have admitted to you that I could have been wrong about wondering about whether white human vehicles came from the Luciferian “seed”. I never stated that as a fact. (except perhaps in the title it seemed that way as I was using keywords to be a little bold, perhaps a mistake). So I want back to that post and changed it – part of my remedy and the other part to admit it to you, another part of a “slippage meeting” to do but that was a regular occurrence between partners. (Those are the examples we have though we don’t have to follow them of course).

        When you say I get and “abomination called Sawyerism” are you saying you deliver that “abomination”? You said you don’t judge me, but what is deciding who gets an “abomination” but a judgment against. And do you think it’s a Next Level way to say someone is lieing without giving examples. If I state something as a fact that you can show me is off track from Ti and Do’s mind then that still doesn’t mean I’m lieing. Maybe this is a language/word definition gap. I said you were lying a few times because you stated some things as facts that just were not true, and actually quite a few things.

        Does my interpreting prophecy amount to lying? How so if we don’t know what the truth is? Maybe you can refresh my memory on these alleged “lies” I told. If you can’t then perhaps you should stop saying those kinds of things as you have repeated again now.

        I agree that our various shortcomings are unrelated. We each stand alone with our Older Members.

        When I looked up the “straw man” cliché I understood it to mean I was saying something that was unrelated to the subject, perhaps as a way to divert attention away.

      • Glaive Says:

        “And do you think it’s a Next Level way to say someone is lieing without giving examples”

        Actually, I gave you example. So, it appears, you lie again.

        “You said you don’t judge me, but what is deciding who gets an “abomination” but a judgment against”

        I told you, I’m not perfect. But what are you doing now if not judge me? You state that to judge is a bad thing to do. So, it’s a judgement from you, Sawyer.
        See, we can go on through this endlessly. Is it what you want?

        “Maybe you can refresh my memory on these alleged “lies” I told”

        Creating a straw man = telling a lie.
        Watch the previous comments and find out how many times you did it.

        “When I looked up the “straw man” cliché I understood it to mean I was saying something that was unrelated to the subject, perhaps as a way to divert attention away”

        What you describe is rather another fallacy called “red herring”.
        And you did it, as well.

        But “straw man”, well… I’ll just quote Wiki:
        “A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.
        The so-called typical “attacking a straw man” argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent’s proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., “stand up a straw man”) and then to refute or defeat that false argument (“knock down a straw man”) instead of the original proposition”
        “The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:
        – Person 1 asserts proposition X.
        – Person 2 argues against superficially similar proposition Y, falsely, as if an argument against Y were an argument against X.
        This reasoning is a fallacy of relevance: it fails to address the proposition in question by misrepresenting the opposing position.
        For example:
        – Quoting an opponent’s words out of context — i.e., choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent’s actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).
        – Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then denying that person’s arguments—thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.
        – Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
        – Oversimplifying an opponent’s argument, then attacking this oversimplified version”

        In fact, I am surprised you did’t know what it means.

      • sawyer Says:

        Let’s cut to the quick. All I care about are Do’s definitions of terms.

        You called me a Lucifierian? What is the criteria for that name calling?

        You said I was starting my own religion called sawyerism. What is sawyerism? How would you describe it? Is it whatever I say? Is everything I say Sawyerism? Does it matter if it can be shown to be from Ti and Do’s mind or not. Is it the interpretations of Prophecy I make that makes it sawyerism? If so, does Ti and Do’s interpretation of prophecy matter.

        You say I judge you? What Is the meaning of judgement? Is it a “decision”. In Jesus context what did it mean? He said it was a “measurement” of another. How have I measured you? Would calling someone a Luciferian be a measurement of them? Would implying or even directly saying that I am creating a religion that is not what Ti and Do taught, another measurement?

        You told me you asked the Next Level about me and they said some vague thing back about how Sawyer hasn’t read the book and yet when I ask about what that meant, you say you don’t want to talk about it. What is that defined as? Can it be any simpler and direct for me to want to know what my accuser is accusing me of?

        I don’t need to talk about this.

        If you want to talk about things Ti and Do said and did, and/or what Jesus said and did, I’ll do the best I can. Otherwise, I suggest that there is no value to these back and forths.

        But nor am I going to allow you to make accusations against me that have no facts behind them and certainly have no references to what Ti and Do said, stand, as to suggest they have merit, by my lack of response, so I’ll just delete them.

      • Glaive Says:

        Oh, don’t worry, I didn’t and I don’t plan to talk with you about anything, including the things you are so eager to know. Strange that you didn’t notice.

      • sawyer Says:

        The jist of communication with you so far has been, you make an accusation, then blame me for wanting to see the evidence of it and then turn it on me because I ask, saying I’m “eager” to know, but the truth is, as I said right in the beginning when you said you spoke to the Next Level about me and said something about the reply being something to do with, “sawyer can’t read the book or didn’t read the book…” whatever it was, I don’t really care about it but it was meaningful enough for you to express it, as if it was proof of something. Then you treat it as if I care about it – the old twist of the wrist that there is probably some intellectual term for. Of course I notice your attitude. How can anyone miss it but I don’t actually hold that negativity from you against me against you just like I don’t hold what others have said against them, in my mind or in reality. Sure I have my shortcomings but that’s not one of them. I lived with 19 years of constant scrutiny of my behaviors and ways though my primary difficulties were more hidden, not intentionally though I could have attended to them better. You can also have the last word here if you like, unless it shows some further misinterpretation of my intentions, though that may be a shortcoming of mine to keep responding. But you and I do not have to be at odds. I have nothing against you though the things you have said to me are not pleasant to deal with either which is why I would like to see any the evidence. Calling someone a Luciferian and all and acting like I’m behaving in a way that The Next Level is critical of that they are allegedly according to your source informing me about through you is not a trivial matter. I don’t think you have any examples from anything Jesus or Moses or Elijah or Ti and Do have said that would indicate that’s the way the Next Level works with people but perhaps I have missed examples in the records. Ti and Do did have students give messages to other students from them, but they in my memory were never lesson material about their behavior, what they said or did. So why would they give you a message for me or explaining my behavior to you as if you have the link to the Older Members I don’t have. Who is then inserting themselves as the intercessor between any one of us and Ti and Do? If I say to you, Ti and Do said and show you where they said it, that’s not me in between you and Ti and Do, that’s Ti and Do’s Mind simply being revealed to you through the instrument of my writing. Certainly if I can’t show you the document where Ti and Do said something then you have every right to scrutinize what I say as I could have remembered it wrong or misapplied it. That’s one of the reasons I would like to see all the tapes made available and transcribed but I know if we really needed them Ti and Do would have saw to it that they were all available as they did with the 192 tapes Rkkody ended up with.

        I don’t know how you all who want to keep me quiet about my experience with Ti and Do can see that as common sense. Would you keep quiet if you were sitting in front of Ti and she said, “Take a chance on a positive” or “if in doubt don’t”, or [mixng human behavior and ways with Next Level behavior and ways was like] “walking with one foot on the curb and the other in the gutter” and many more.

        And I suppose I’m supposed to shut up when I see prophecy being fulfilled in my opinion even though it becomes a practical way to interface with people who have some belief in prophecy and expect certain things, to show them the possibility that it could very well be that Ti and Do were who they said they were. I can’t for the life of me understand why that’s so objectionable. But I do understand that I don’t mince words that I write maybe more than is needed and have other grammatical deficiencies but how that adds up to “sawyerism” is the best I can tell a symptom of the way influences hate to hear anything that makes Ti and Do look good so if any of us is an instrument of making Ti and Do look good we become their target and they will use anyone against us. And at the same time, seeing the accusations does force me to take notice and because of them I am trying harder to not go off on tangents though that again is hard to draw a line with because the prophecy and the records have so many cross references built into them, they really point to certain ideas.

        So according to some of you all who have been critical of most everything and anything I say or write, I would have to stick only to the verses of scripture Do and Crew made reference to and I would have to not try to further develop them or substantiate them with other scriptures because that would be sawyerism to do.

        Well if that’s the case then call it whatever you want to call it. When people read what I’ve written they can each decide if I’m pulling from Ti and Do’s mind, something we were taught to do with or without their physical presence but I don’t know if that’s on tape but if it is it would be on the tapes Mark and Sarah are sitting on.

        re: prophecy interpretation, as I’m sure you are aware, Ti and Do changed what they said about being killed as it seemed to say in the Two Witnesses prophecy and many Christians say they couldn’t be the Two witnesses because they weren’t killed and then didn’t rise again and didn’t ascend to heaven.

        So sure, I could have left that alone as Ti and Do said they felt like they were “shot down by the press” – the meaning of “killed” though always throughout their years afterwards had an open mind to exiting by the hand of someone who might kill them.

        When I dug into every word of that chapter 11 with a mind to see the most correct interpretation as it obviously wasn’t that they would be killed it became very apparent that they would first be overcome – equally translated to “subdued” which in my opinion matches what happened more followed by their “separating by dying” the more accurate way of interpreting, greek apokteino as apo in a compound word indicates “separation” or some equivalence.

        So did I do something wrong but doing that or can it be used by the Next Level to give someone who may be a student of those scriptures another clue to use to help them recognize that Ti and Do were the Two Witnesses. After all why would Ti and Do have all those prophecies written if they were not going to be fulfilled and they didn’t spend any time on that so why isn’t it possible that it was left to whoever they chose to give the task to, even to a number of people who may never know of one another. It’s not about me having the task though influences would see me as elevated because of it. The truth is that the Next Level has many options of who to use. All they have to do is work with that person in whatever ways they choose showing them how to see certain things.

        We all know who absolutely doesn’t want this to happen and we all know if they can’t stop it from happening because the Next Level wants it to happen then they will do whatever they can do to delay, or thwart or interfere or misguide the truth coming out.

        For those that want to find fault with me, there is plenty they can use and do. I’ve got to use it to get stronger and more in tune with Do’s mind or else I will fall again because the program requires forward motion from all of us and the biggest forward motion is in recognizing and battling against our own demons. We all have them. They are allowed to attack us because of the strength we can gain in dealing with them. They are not us unless we fail to separate our mind from theirs and learn to push theirs away from us.

        I hope we can someday be brothers in this fight.

      • Glaive Says:

        Sawyer, it’s simple. You can delete my comments at your blog, but I can still comment on your writings anywhere else in the internet, where you have no option to delete anything. We share the same world wide web, so be sure, I’m always here,
        right
        behind
        you.

      • sawyer Says:

        It’s hard to be clear in these comments. The only reason I would delete your comments is if it consists only of name calling and empty accusations that put words in my mouth as if reflecting on something I said that I didn’t say. I’m fine with actual content no matter how challenging.

      • Glaive Says:

        “I would delete your comments is if it consists only of name calling and empty accusations that put words in my mouth as if reflecting on something I said that I didn’t say”
        ————
        You were reflecting on something I didn’t say many times. Did you delete any of these comments? No. And I suppose you never will. But, as I said, I can comment on your writings anywhere else, and you won’t have that “delete” option anymore. So, yes, Sawyer, I’m always there, and I’m watching you.

      • sawyer Says:

        I actually had second thoughts about deleting you comments that have no relevance. I’ll just deal with them. When they say nothing as now I’m just say that. If I misunderstood what you said, I will admit that. I have nothing to lose to be wrong but I am not going to take the time and energy to go back to old comments to examine each thing I said to you and how it may have been inaccurate in your mind as we don’t often seem to understand words in the same ways which is not to either of our faults necessarily. It may be a language gap and part of the problem from this form of communication, so I won’t delete anything between us, though you could certainly test me in that regard.

        If you can recount any one or more things I said where I “reflected on something [you] didn’t say” I like to know it so I can correct what I wrongly said. That can be constructive. I have attempted to give you examples like your saying I was a Luciferian and “speaking out of my ass” and what you said about what you said the “Next Level” – said about me. Those are very specific, none of which you have offered any response to that either took responsibility for mistakenly saying or showing what was behind those opinions, with the exception of the “white” implications that I only provided some of the basis for my considerations of, from things Do said and things I’ve studied in prophecy that Do said in his previous incarnation, that he and Ti said we can count on being from the Next Level, even though I dig into various translation options to better justify as perhaps being the greater intention of understanding.

        Otherwise you are again making a false accusation. It’s like journalism – what’s the source of your statements? Isn’t there at least one on your mind? I save many of these conversations so if you provide a keyword or two I can search that text so we can intelligently converse and/or debate.

      • sawyer Says:

        In this very example you ask a question and then give my answer. That is what you often do as evidenced right here. But the answer is that I haven’t deleted any of my comments nor yours to date. So you are right even though that’s for me to answer as there is no way you could know if I did or didn’t. But as to “never will”, I don’t know what I will or will not do in the future. I don’t mind your watching me and perhaps correcting me. I only stand to gain from it all, that is if my intention is to talk about what is or seems to be most true. I say “seems to be true” because in my interpretation of prophecy I don’t know it’s true unless I can relate it directly to something Ti and Do said directly and that goes to interpretation of events I relate to prophecy and/or things Ti and Do said.

      • Glaive Says:

        If you really want to talk, post somewhere else and see what happens. I’m not going to talk with you under the threat of deleting what I say.

      • sawyer Says:

        I won’t be deleting any of your comments.

        I would definitely like to hear what you have to say that is pertinent to what I post or have posted, or on anything else for that matter.

        I only ask for examples of things you don’t think are from Ti and Do’s writings/mind or Jesus or other records. Then I can examine what you bring up and either show where I got my opinion from or remove my opinion or what I write or clarify it if it misleads anyone.

  2. crlody Says:

    This is precisely why anyone interested in Ti and Do should only be looking at the info that the class left behind and formulating their judgments based on that. Listening to any of the dropouts who are here will only serve to dilute the NL Info that was left behind. No one here represents the NL and no one was asked to stay behind to clarify any of their info. Not Rio, not Mark King, not me, not Sawyer nor anyone else who dropped out or was kicked out of the Class. The only reason any of us are here is because we are unwilling to take the step of following Do’s invitation to leave due to our own personal reasons. Any former class member who tries to say that they are here on a mission for the Next Level is lying to themselves and anyone who claims that the invitation to leave no longer applies is making a claim that is motivated by their own fears. No one on this planet is in a position to make statements concerning the invitation to leave or anything else that the Class stated. The info that they left is the purest source of NL info on this planet. Any other source will fall short of that and anyone who states otherwise, through words or actions is lying and doing a disservice to the Next Level. Why would anyone want to listen to someone who dropped out or was kicked out of the Class when you can listen to Ti and Do teaching the students the ways of the NL? Why would anyone think that what they have to say about Ti and Do is more important than what Ti and Do Themselves have to say on the still suppressed audio tapes?

    • sawyer Says:

      I agree with some of what you say, but then the same old preaching of your being the authority over who can say what and when and how and why. Note, you don’t take your own advise of sticking to what Ti and Do said or you would simply point on what I say that is off track and leave it at that. Why would I stop talking about what I see and providing some interface with today’s thinking and events that are clearly still proceeding and individuals are still looking to what Ti and Do taught but in many respects don’t know what Ti and Do said about this and that so it behooves us to show them what they said about this and that and how can we do that if we don’t show the application of what they taught to all the misinformation?

      I know I could talk till the cows come home, wherever those cows are, I never figured out, but there will always be many who can’t stand to hear it for whatever reason, whether they say they believe in Ti and Do or not.

      If for instance take all the Jesus (Do) bible prophecy. If people think that from the Next Level as Ti and Do said the Jesus sayings were, and they have been subject to spins by the Luciferians, spins that Ti and Do may not have addressed specifically then what chance do they have to see the Next Level Mind in those prophecies if someone who does have some perspective because they have been a student and continue to want to be a student provides the interpretation that then can be their impetus to looking into more of what Ti and Do taught. Why do you think you have the right in Ti and Do mind to cast judgement over someone who chooses to talk about Ti and Do if they are not diminishing what they taught. I’m sick and tired of dealing with your imposed limited view of what is or isn’t right to do in respect to what Ti and Do taught. It’s nothing but negativity you said you would try to stop doing but now your at it again getting your beef off because you don’t choose to consider that you may not have the handle on everything Ti and Do and Crew are still doing in the world and how they are still using those that choose to make themselves available to do the best they can with what they have to serve in the best way they know how. It is hugely difficult to interface. Maybe you never try. I don’t know. I go to little parties of people I know where there are athesits and spiritual people and Christians and all shapes and sizes of thought as the world crumbles and they fight to understand it. I watch eyes roll up into heads at much of what I say to see if they have an opening at all to Ti and Do. I guess I could just say nothing and let them stumble onto Ti and Do if they have such a desire. They might happen to search for something on youtube and come upon the beyond human series but how much chance do they have to see the truth Ti and Do bore when there are discarnates and space alien and humans barraging them with dis-mis information that’s been going on for thousands of years. So you can be the big shot with your accusations of how to fight this war of words and point the weapon of your gun at me all you want but do you ever ask Ti and Do what to say to sawyer about what he’s doing. Do you ever ask Ti and Do if you can help Sawyer do a better job at telling the truth since you should know that’s my desire unless you think I’m a charlatan like you told me before, like other person is also insinuating without any evidence. You don’t know who Ti and Do are working with. Do you? Are they dead? Did they forget about their garden and all the seeds they planted? Is everyone in the same grade on Earth? What about the 3 types to be saved some not even knowing about Ti and Do – how are they going to be saved. I’ll tell you how whether you like it or not. They will be saved if they each continue a relationship with the Next Level by the Next Level’s standard, not yours or mine (which I don’t have).

      You, like Gaive are acting “resentful” of my taking it upon myself to deliver the MIND I received from Ti and Do. Sure I mix in my mind and you both don’t seem to recognize the process Ti and Do taught, possibly because for you, you spent a tiny amount of time with Do and had problems believing some of what he said. I spent a lot of time with Do and also had problems believing 100% in some of the things he said, though I didn’t recognize it at the time but looking back now I can see very clearly as they come up. That’s the misinformation process – surfacing the impurities the inaccuracies in our computers (Ti’s word). Now your influences can have a hay day with what I’m saying and want to even snuff me out as they do – the influences for sure want to do. They will say or do anything stop talk about Ti and Do and that includes using those who say they believe in Ti and Do using the justification that they are using words that can’t all be quoted as from the documentation Ti and Do left behind when that was only part of what they left behind – yes the most significant part but not the only part.

      I have in my computer reams of their Mind to draw on in examples. I sat with Ti when she cried and when Do cried. I know what they cried about. I’m not really trying to impress you though your influences will probably say that I want to be the big shot and all the other accusations that any Next Level student receives when they go head to head with influences.

      What’s come from Gaive’s criticism’s as well as yours is that I am using for mine and the dissemination task’s benefit is recognizing where I am too into myself which is what I must continue to get rid of to be a better servant. You will also have to do that if you even want to be a servant anymore as your influences might have convinced you that you can’t because you didn’t lay down your life, as if that was the only lesson of the entire classroom that by the way I proved I was willing to do by stepping forward to press Do for the option to be castrated when I had more Next Level mind in me, though I wasn’t permitted because I was still seeing it as self elevating to do. But when we threw the dice to decide who would choose to go first, between me and srrody and srrody won and chose to go first had I won the dice toss I certainly would have been on that operating table and would not have had those chemicals going through my system that became the manner in which I fell a year or so later. I guess I would have had to be challenged in some other way or perhaps I would have laid down my life with them and would have been one that Ti would have felt still needed to return to overcome what I hadn’t yet.

      You know while I’m saying this. Do told the 24 or 25 of us that we had passed our final exam. I guess maybe it’s only Andody that can be called on to verify that. Right after that Do gave us the names they said they would give us when we had matured. They initially said they would drop the “y” of ody so I would have been called swyod instead of swyody. But Do did something different than that. He named us instead with a dote extension so I became swydote. Then when we put out the beyond human tapes Do and crew made which was after He and the class had decided to send Jwnody and Swyody out to talk to the public, that he then cancelled after we sent our video tape to a satellite evangelical network uplink that they then rejected, and some that were outside the class because they chose to or they were suggested to be outside the class for their lessons (brnody, anyody, cddody) in particular and some of them decided to return to the class having watched the beyond human tapes, namely tllody, stlody who dropped out and were living human lives with in Dallas for tllody and maybe Colorado for stlody and rkkody in Colorado was another when they came back Do told the 25 of us we weren’t going to use those new names as he didn’t want to have any differentiation between students.

      I could tell you dozens of stories from experience with Ti and Do that all add up to recognizing their Mind.

      Whenever we talk about what Ti and Do gave us, whether we use their exact words or not though it’s the accuracy that’s most important and the exact words do provide the most accuracy but the Next Level aren’t looking for robots to quote scripture. We had the task of receiving instructions all the time and the procedure was to repeat back the instruction to Do so he could see if we got it. I often had a hard time repeating back the exact words but he didn’t find fault with that if he felt like I got his intention. So if I got his intention and I post something that trys to describe it and I do include quotes as I do, but I admit need to do more of so I’m not letting my self take the credit then if it’s saying what’s on his mind about it, which you all who know some about what he taught can point out if I don’t then what’s wrong with what I say.

      You and Gaive want to stop me from expressing myself when my self may very well be Do’s self, that is unless you can show me why it’s not from Ti and Do’s mind to say. Then I will stand up and shout how I was wrong to say that or say it that way because it was fostering a dilution or confusion. If you can’t pin me down then what are you saying that is from Ti and Do’s mind or are you using your misinformed mind to criticize without cause as Jesus warned disciples about doing with other students.

      If you don’t want to consider yourself a student then your not and you have no place to justify criticizing me, again unless you can nail it down. I will listen to everything you all say as you two are certainly not the only ones trying to get me to shut up using as an excuse that I speak my mind and that includes some speculation.

      Okay, speculation can be tredding on thin ice so caution is taken but Do also speculated at times and I’m not saying that to compare myself to as influences might have you think. I’m saying that because Do is our example in everything he said and did which I happened to observe hundred of hours of all the attentiveness I could bring to doing so, however much I missed for simply not knowing I was missing.

      I do have a task. Do and Lvvody and Jnnody and I’m not sure who the other two were came to me on two separate occasions in dreams that you may think were imagination or I’m making up to be the big shot but it’s the truth and I can’t say my vehicle wanted to have a task as why would my vehicle want a task that was not going to be seen by anybody, even fellow believers as legitimate. I’m be much better off humanly speaking to dilute it into a new club, organized a meetup forum and have a blog that talks about how to spiritually worship ti and do’s love…etc. I could write songs with all my talents that talk about how we can meditate our way to happiness like icke and rael and the rest or I can try to build a new church by only quoting the things Do said that don’t offend too many people to consider and believe.

      Actually there was a third dream that came first from Jwnody though lggody was in a different part of that dream. Then Do’s dream came next where he said “I can use you” as he was moving some pieces of a puzzle kind of thing around while looking at it. The third was like I walked into a room and jnnody and lvvody and two othes were sitting and they told me.

      Before you clobber me with my saying that, if you want to, tell me what Ti and Do said about dreams and classmates. Also tell me about the dreams Do told us about. I don’t know if they were put on tape. I wish we did have all those tapes to back up some of what I say I recall and/or to correct some of what I say. I have also had dreams with what seemed to be Do but I am sure by their content were not. And I seemed to have a couple dreams, even recently with classmates who left in 1997 that were very strange and not seeming like it was really them but they could have also been my interpretation but I doubt it. When they are legitimately visiting however they do that it’s a strong presence and it’s very Next Level in content. There are no human feelings involved like with vehicular attractions as occurred with the chkody dream though that may have been all my doing as influences did work on me a bit in regard to when I was partnered with chkody on several occasions.

      oh, I forgot Ti came to me in a dream soon after 9/11 when I began to write about Ti and Do in relationship to prophecy and simple approved of my writing.

      As I said to another of my many critics, if you believe in Ti and Do then perhaps you also believe in what Jesus said as they were one and the same teachings were they not. If so, then let your response to another be Yay or Nay and the rest comes from evil. So you can use that against me or you can apply it to yourself and if you see something I say that isn’t true because Ti and/or Do and/or one of the 38 students said something to show that it wasn’t true or it goes against what jesus said then say “NO” that’s not what they said and leave it at that. All the rest is influence talk.

      That’s exactly what I’m doing in these “defenses”. I’m saying, “nay” and then explaining why or I’m saying, “yay” I could do a better job to each and every point I make, but see I also include what Jesus said in that which is what I feel my task is to provide. And that is not without precedent. Do you recall how many quotes are in the purple book from Jesus and how Do referred to the book of revelations, like in session three of beyond human tapes and how student wrote papers about paul and other biblical things and Do and Ti talked about adam and eve – that’s all bible stuff and they didn’t give any instructions that said, you can only quote what’s in this part of the bible or that even though ti did say that all of the bible isn’t accurate. She didn’t say what parts were not accurate that I can recall and we have all her tapes so you can correct me if I’m wrong and I will cheer thank you for correcting me.

      I have said this over and over to you in different ways and then you come back with playing the same tape complaining about this one and that one for what they do or don’t do.

      You know how many times you would say to me you were thankful to still know who Ti and Do are. Well, this applies to all of us and we can see this happening as we speak that people are saying they know who Ti and Do are and then they go on to think, say and act in ways that are anything but just as we see with Christians towards what Jesus said and did. No wonder, that the Luciferians are sly dogs indeed slipping in to capture the saints in every way they can, pretending to be all holy and pure, saying Jesus this and Jesus that, Lord this and Lord that and now “Ti and Do” this and “Ti and Do” that while not even sometimes knowing they are separating from their minds.

      It takes regular constant effort and change to keep their minds current with us. We separate every time we think, say or act in any way different than what they taught and they are not sitting their determining what we can or can’t talk about or consider as from their minds, though admittedly we are going to do a certain amount of dilution and though we don’t intend to, sometimes it’s because we are having trouble living up to it and the other is because it seeps in or we are looking for an interface with others.

      But why want an interface with others, sawyer I ask myself and to be honest I don’t except I must try. Maybe there is no value to the Next Level in all that I say. Perhaps the ones who they seeded will seek out their minds on the internet. Actually I don’t actually disbelieve that but that didn’t stop Ti and Do from doing the best job they could to put the information out there. Had they not done that perhaps Dvvody wouldn’t have seen their info. Perhaps you would have never seen the USA today ad or the beyond human tapes when they played one time on the satellite dishes in 1993. Perhaps you wouldn’t have seen the info/ads in the variety of ads put in new age papers all over the us Canada and gb, Australia and Scotland in 1993.

      Even if all I do is just for me, what’s wrong with that. I don’t know. I don’t care. I just must proceed as best I can. If we think about Ti and Do, talk about Ti and Do, pull on their minds to solve problems, bring clarity to dilemma’s and feel we get answers via events and such what’s wrong with that and what’s wrong with relating it to the records????

      I don’t know why you seem to think it’s all over. I know for a fact that it’s not over for any of us until we’re dead and then it may or may not be over as we will be measured by what we did, not by what another thinks we did or didn’t do, not by how many dreams we had or how many words we wrote and which percentage were from Ti and Do’s mind … well maybe that is part of their algorithm so then maybe I’m failing but that’s my business. Yet I still say, if you or anyone else has something specific to address with me then lay it on me and I’ll examine it and if I determine I’ve gotten off track I have nothing to lose to admit it. Sure I still have self in the way but not so much that I can’t see it rear it’s ugly head – my booger is still around.

      While I’m at it, for some reason around the same exact time when we got the new names and were told we passed our final exam, months before the return of some students (and the few new ones who had some relationship to the returnees – tll, stl, rkk, dym, evn (not a return), Gnr (not a return), flx, abl (not a return), jhn, jst, slv, Do gave each of us a piece of paper and told us to read it and look it up in the bible and then throw it away and forget about it. On the piece of paper there was an Old Testament name who Do said we related to. Mine said, Bezaleel. I don’t know anyone elses. For all I know Do gave others names of who they might have been incarnate during Jesus classroom but my paper only said this name.

      So your influences can have a hay day with that too. It doesn’t really mean much to me as if I think that somehow justifys whatever I do I’m off the mark and if I think that gives me some authority then I’m off the mark and if I think much of anything about that I’m off he mark. It is what it is but it’s interesting that Do named me Sawyer because whatshisface was a builder but then why am I such a shabby builder is anybody’s guess – it’s because our vehicle we have now is not of course necessarily related to that vehicle then. It’s the Soul that probably got it’s start then that came back during Jesus time but I guess could have not hooked up with Jesus or could have dropped out early one, been one of the 12 or 70 or 500 (after Jesus left) – no telling, but like Do said about identifying with someone in the past or wanting to be that person would be like saying we hadn’t grown from then which Do hated about that bumper sticker that said, Jesus the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, for that same reason. It’s a fact so I put it in my book for whatever it’s worth. It is some proof I suppose for those that want to consider it about how this has been an ongoing program that doesn’t end until it’s total recycle time.

    • NOT AN ODY, but someone close to do Says:

      “Sawyerism”

  3. NOT AN ODY, but someone close to do Says:

    “I’m not so good with words that I say things concise, as you and others know.”

    I may be wrong, but this may be why the luciferians chose you.

    • sawyer Says:

      That’s wonderful to hear so I’m glad you got it off your chest. And by the way, did your closeness to Do choose to say that, which is what you use as your name for this comment?

      Like Jesus said, and would apply to any student, you can do all you want to shoot me down and you will be forgiven but shoot down the truth and your in big trouble with Ti and Do.

      and you know what for whatever it’s worth that for me to say about your condemnation of me but what Do and Ti say to your condemnation of me is another thing to consider.

      It might look like they are not paying attention but that’s the illusion we can have.

      Like Jesus said, let your answer be “yea or nay” the rest comes from evil. Now your influences can flip that back on me as I should just say yea or nay and like carlan says just post what Do said but what if you heard thousands of things with your ears and eyes and fingers and toes that both Ti and Do said over countless experiences that help provide some insight as to how they thought to be applied going forward that included that knowing that we all go forward. What we receive from Ti and Do becomes ours, but if we take credit for it then that’s where self begins to seep in, not the information though of course misinformation will seep into that too.

      It’s interesting how many new Ti and Do theologians there are coming out of the woodwork claiming the a remaining disciple of Ti and Do are the ones doing wrong. Typical Luciferian influence we can all be conned to listen to. What seperates us from those influences is recognizing their voice in our heads and changing letting them continue to play in our heads and especially let come out our mouths, like Jesus spoke to.

    • sawyer Says:

      no it’s the next level that takes the Od ducks, the Luciferians take the pretty boys and girls. It’s a great lure into a total loss of common sense because of the addiction to their sexuality.

      • NOT AN ODY, but someone close to do Says:

        O dear one. You must steel yourself — the luciferians are using your weakness of vanity to delude your thinking.

        These are not boogers. Be careful — do you have anyone that you consider a check partner now? You need to reach out to those that remained behind.

        When Do was having issues communicating with Ti, he traveled — do you think traveling to Waldport or any of the previous Class locations might help get a clearer connection to Them?

      • sawyer Says:

        who do you think you are kidding?

      • NOT AN ODY, but someone close to do Says:

        The next level takes “Od ducks”. The Luciferians take pretty boys and girls. Do and Ti never said anything like that.

        You said “Good riddance!” to Do and the Class because of your own addiction to sexuality, right? You rejected Do right to his face.

      • sawyer Says:

        For those that don’t know the difference between stating a lie and what’s true, your saying, “Do and Ti never said anything like that” is a lie. Were you with them ever?

        Another lie that I said “good riddance”.

        You know it’s one thing to say lies when one doesn’t really know they are lies but another thing to know they are lies. It may seem insignificant because of one’s sleep state and their own many addictions but as Jesus said, it’s out of the mouth that evil comes. And it’s the intention behind the words that is most important, though that gradually becomes nearly lost when those with the first hand experience exit their incarnations as Do taught even recently.

        I’ve talked about my leaving very thoroughly in this blog and elsewhere repeatedly.

      • NOT AN ODY, but someone close to do Says:

        you basically said … hey there do-wop-a-ding-dong, I whack off way too much, so: sayonara! See ya later! Even after all the miracles you and Ti performed, even after the spaceships, teleporting, and detailed information at your fingertips — all proving that you were speaking the truth, I’m outta here… been nice knowin’ ya! Can I have $600 and a car.

        Didn’t you see Ti bring a monkey back from the dead? When Do brought the spaceships down and you toured them and met the aliens and went to Uranus — that wasn’t enough for you? When Do teleported to Jerusalem and appeared on tv there then teleported back all in a matter of minutes — that wasn’t enough?

      • sawyer Says:

        someone close to do – what’s that about?

        by the way for the record, they didn’t give me a car when I left, just $600 and a plane ticket to where I want to go. And all the miricles, well I saw plenty but they weren’t “tricks”. Do said that 90% of the Jesus miricles were exaggerated. Some non-believers reported they “disappeared” – actual Hayden Hewes wrote about his meeting with them when he said they disappeared. When Ti and Do were told that, they said, they just walked to their car. I must admit I wondered if the Next Level made it seem to Hayden they disappeared as for they younger grades in school the Next Level does give more proof, but not if it’s a time when they could potentially graduate, Ti and Do said, because they need to graduate on the proof they recognized that is not readily available to the vehicle so they are operating solely on the content of their Mind/Spirit.

        Nothing else you said has any basis of value that I could see to others who might read these comments so I won’t bother playing those games.

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