Sawyer comments on Article about Cddody’s (Fred’s) vehicle’s death

The link to this article is at the end of this post but I’ve included the text of that article so I could make inline comments to correct or show more light on some of what is reported because I was in touch with Cddody, who is in this article, Dale “Fred” Mackey.  My comments are in brackets that start with Sawyer.

Article starts here:

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Former member of UFO suicide cult buried in ABQ

By Joline Gutierrez Krueger / Journal

Published: Tuesday, January 26th, 2016 at 10:45pm
Updated: Tuesday, January 26th, 2016 at 11:07pm

Former member of UFO suicide cult buried in ABQ

[picture inserted here of Rancho Sante Fe mansion with the caption below:]
Bodies of some of the 39 members of the Heaven’s Gate cult are loaded into a truck outside the mansion in Rancho Santa Fe, Calif., where the members committed mass suicide in March 1997. One of the members, Dale Fredrick Mackey of Albuquerque, was supposed to film the suicides but had fallen sick and was not present. (The Associated Press)

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — Dale Fredrick Mackey seemed to fall off the planet.

Few had known what had become of the Albuquerque man over the past six decades until his obituary appeared in the Journal last week. He had died in Dallas at age 81, they learned, but in November, though no explanation was given as to why it had taken until last Friday for him to be returned to his hometown to be interred near his parents at Fairview Memorial Park.

The obituary listed the usual accomplishments – Mackey graduated from Albuquerque High School in 1952, the University of New Mexico in 1956 and a master’s program at the University of Southern California in 1959. He had served in the Army Reserve. He had “served the Lord Jesus.”

It also listed some not-so-typical accomplishments, including his work as a film editor and director at MGM Studios.

[picture inserted with caption]
MACKEY: Former Heaven’s Gate cult member comes home

And this: Mackey at one time had been a member of Heaven’s Gate, the UFO-worshipping cult whose 39 members, including founder Marshall Applewhite, committed suicide en masse sometime before March 26, 1997, at a Rancho Santa Fe, Calif., mansion, in a bizarre plan to leave their bodies – “vehicles,” as they called them – to board a spaceship tailing the Comet Hale-Bopp as it passed close to Earth.

[Sawyers correction – They did not worship UFO’s. First off to worship Do said meant “to work for” but even in the religious misinterpretation of worship of honoring or looking up to or respecting or bowing to, it’s misinformation to say because a UFO is an unidentified flying object, so they’d be worshipping something they don’t know what it is. To Ti and Do the groups founders/leaders and teachers a UFO was a populist abbreviation they didn’t actually approve of using in the first posters advertising meetings but since the students designed that poster and it became part of their identity nationally because of the story hitting the press in October of 1975, they used it, but Ti and Do would have said “spacecraft” and described that it was in the Bible what was, for instance, described as a “cloud of light”, which they did not worship as to them it would be like worshpping the Air Force One instead of the President who uses that transportation device.]

[Sawyers correction – They said it didn’t matter to them whether there was a spacecraft tailing the Hale-Bopp Comet. It was made clear to them that the comets arrival was their “sign” in the timing of their exit of the human vehicles they borrowed to perform their tasks through.]

I did not make that up.

Had Mackey not fallen ill and into a more earthly religion, the obituary said, he might have offed himself, too.

Which is to say, he had almost fallen off the planet.

[Sawyers comment – This almost sounds like a freudian slip in several ways though in the way they meant it, his getting ill had nothing to do with whether he would have otherwise “offed  himself”. In actuality he wasn’t permitted to stay in the group. He was sent to the half way situation because he was causing trouble in the group. He got into a pushing match with Alxody once. I don’t know who pushed who, but I do know at the time that Fred was acting like he didn’t want to be in the group anymore, where Alxody if he did any pushing was losing control for the moment as Alxody did have a short fuse at times – nothing major but I can certainly imagine that Fred pushed his “buttons”, which is not an excuse if he ended up pushing Fred. Alxody also went to a half way situation at that time as I mention in a later comment. Now for the freudian slip part because one could say from a Next Level perspective that Cddody (Fred) fell ill in terms of staying on the straight and narrow (as did I and all dropouts) and as a result “fell to earth” from that path into the “kingdom in the heavens”. Had he not become ill in that way, then presumably he would have conquered his influences enough to stay the course of giving his all to the Next Level through Do, so would have been among the 38 other students that “offed themselves” the populist way of describing their exit of their vehicles.]

 

 

“We left town the morning that obituary ran,” said Mackey’s cousin Barbara Schafer of Albuquerque. “I picked up the paper, read it later, and, my gosh, I couldn’t believe it.” Schafer and another cousin, Ann Greenwood, are the only known Mackey relatives left.

Schafer thought he had died years ago.

So had Greenwood.

“Dale dropped out of existence,” said Greenwood, who lives in San Jose, Calif. “I assumed he must have died somewhere along the way.”

Both cousins say they had heard the cult rumors.

“I remember hearing Dale had given away all his worldly possessions,” Shafer said.

But both say nothing about their cousin suggested that he was cult material. He wasn’t on the fringe or off-the-wall, they said. Just nice, talented.

[insert of a picture of the Manzano “earthship” with the caption]
A wall made of tires filled with dirt fortified the 40-acre compound inhabited by the Heaven’s Gate cult in 1995-96. The compound was in the Manzano Mountains near the small community of Manzano, about 55 miles southeast of Albuquerque. The wall has since been dismantled, and 39 members of the cult committed suicide in March 1997 in Rancho Santa Fe, Calif. (Adele T. Chavez/The Albuquerque Tribune)

Longtime Albuquerque attorney Michael Keleher agrees. Keleher, who knew Mackey as a Sigma Chi fraternity brother, recalled that Mackey was the only child of parents who ran a clothing store Downtown and that he had an interest in art.

“But we never really had a conversation about what he was going to do after we graduated,” Keleher said.

Mackey likely had numerous chances to encounter Heaven’s Gate, both in Southern California and in New Mexico, hot spots for cult recruiting in the 1970s. At its height, the cult had about 200 members.

[Sawyers addition: He was among the couple dozen that joined following the talk Ti and Do gave to a New Age meditation group at one of the group members house in North Hollywood, in early April of 1975. He later received the name “Cddody”]

Mackey may have been one of the recruiters. In the summer of 1975, Mackey had visited John “Mickey” Craig, a former UNM classmate, according to an Albuquerque Tribune article. Both men would have been about 41.

A week later, Craig disappeared, abandoning his wife, children and their Colorado dude ranch, resurfacing 22 years later as Brother Logan, one of the 39 who committed suicide in 1997.

Logan had also been among the 40 or so pale, short-haired cult members who in June 1995 settled briefly on a 40-acre compound in the Manzano Mountains, where they began erecting an earthship, a 3,700-square-foot maze of rooms and hallways constructed of fortified dirt-filled tires.

By the spring of 1996, the cult had abandoned the earthship and headed to California.

A year later, the members dressed in matching Nike shoes and black attire adorned with a Heaven’s Gate “Away Team” patch. They each carried $5.75 in their pockets. In three shifts, each drank a fatal barbiturate-and-vodka cocktail, wrapped plastic bags around their heads, covered themselves in purple shrouds and waited for the spaceship to whisk them away.

Mackey was supposed to be among them.

[Sawyers correction: There was no “supposed to be…” anything. The reason he wasn’t with them was because in 1988 when the group lived on a ranch  about 20 miles north of Dallas, Texas, Do felt cddody (Fred) needed some time outside the “classroom”, what Ti and Do called their groups effort to overcome the human evolutionary condition. Do also felt three others needed that experience. They were Alxody, Sngody and Anyody. At the time Brnody, the  member of the group who has osteoporosis was living in an apartment in north Dallas, because Do had previously thought she needed to be on her own so Do set her up with the apartment and the handicapp equiptment, scooter and the mechanism to load the scooter onto a car and a way for her to drive the car using hand brakes, etc. I was one who helped set her up with some of that at the time. I would estimate that apartment for Brnody was started in late 1987 or early 1988. Anyody was actually sent to live with Brnody before Alxody, Sngody and Cddody. When these three were sent there they actually were set up with another apartment nearby. All of these except for Cddody later rejoined the larger body of students. Cddody was given the option to return as well but chose not to rejoin the group. When I left the group in 1994, I moved back to New York where I had been from and I was in touch with Alxody’s vehicle’s mother Nancy who I started communicating with as she had formed a network of parents and loves ones of the group members, trying to learn of their whereabouts over the years. Nancy knew where Fred was, still actually in Dallas in that same apartment. I decided to travel out west with my new partner as she wanted to buy land somewhere out west so I said I knew a lot of people I had been in the group with that had dropped out before I did so we could visit them and have places to stay at the same time along the way. I contacted Fred and he was open to a visit so we took the trip in the spring of 1995 and one of our first stops was Dallas where we met up with Fred and had dinner. Then after the group layed down their lives I had another occasion to be in Texas, actually around 2005 or so and we visited with him in Dallas again. He was a little unhappy at that time and was thinking about moving to Albuquerque as there was a woman inviting him to live together. I got a Christmas card from him some years ago saying he had moved to Albuquerque.]

And here we turn to Pastor Paul Kerr of the Mill Valley Fellowship in suburban Dallas. It was Kerr who had placed the obituary in the Journal and brought Mackey’s cremains home.

Kerr knew Mackey as Fred.

“He was very friendly, outgoing, helpful as a great volunteer,” he said. “He helped edit videos for the church. Then he got sick and I and my wife ended up being the only persons who would go see him.”

Mackey, he said, was supposed to film the suicidal end of the cult but fell ill beforehand.

[Sawyers comment: I guess it’s possible Do and Crew contacted Fred before they exited their human vehicles, what people called suicide, (not knowing better because how their actions did not resemble anyone else’s choice to die that are always because of depression or anger, vengence or other mental distresses, that these 39 showed no evidence of. But what Kerr may be referring to is how Fred, being the film major, while with the group in 1975 was given a video camera by, perhaps Hayden Hewes or Brad Steiger with the agreement that he would film their pickup by a spacecraft as at that time Ti and Do thought that would be the way they would leave earth, with their human flesh bodies. We carried that camera around for years. I know because I was always involved with packing the trucks and remember the camera being in a closet, reserved for that occasion should it happen that way. Ti and Do didn’t actually ever claim to know exactly how that exit would happen. But I suspect a mix up of understanding in this statement from Kerr because the group exit was 1997 and I visited with Fred Mackey in 1995 and he was not ill that I could tell and then I visited with him after the group left and he wasn’t ill then either. I was aware that he was editing video for that church group that I believe he said was on Forest lane, in Dallas. I knew of that church as we actually while in the group had a house off of Forest lane.]

“He was really sick, critically ill,” Kerr said. “He told me a minister came to pray for him, and he literally got out of his bed and walked out of that hospital. He turned his back on the cult, turned his life to the Lord and never looked back.”

[Sawyers note: In 2005 or so when I said I visited with Fred for the second time since 1995, we did talk about Ti and Do. He was curious about a number of individuals who had also dropped out that I was still in touch with. By then Dick Joslyn known in the group as Dncody (Dance) had died related to HIV, who I had also visited with in 1995 in Sodona, Arizona where he was living then. He was a good friend of Fred’s and both joined with Ti and Do in 1975 from that N. Hollywood meeting. Dick left the group for the last time, I believe in 1989. Anyway, during my meeting with Fred in 2005 it was clear to me he no longer believed Ti and Do were from the Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, what they called the Evolutionary Level Above Human. I believe he told me at that time that he thought Do had changed from what he and Ti had intially thought – that Do got off track, which was one of the opinions that came initially from Professor Robert Balch of the University of Montana in Missoula, MT who became the go to, for academics on Heaven’s Gate. (Do actually sent me to help Rob at his office in Missoula to provide answers to his questions for a book he was adding a chapter for, that was about the group. This was in 1994). So yes he did turn his back on the cult and I knew became a little religious with that church group but the way this was worded made it look related to his walking out of the hospital. Anyway, had by 2005 become an active believers in Ti and Do again, not that I ever really lost belief. I actually flunked out of their program and I did express some of that to Fred in 2005. It didn’t matter to me what he did or didn’t believe. I wasn’t recruting. There was no new group and still isn’t.]

At anything.

A few people showed up at the graveside service in Albuquerque last Friday, among them Schafer’s daughter, Lisa Chavez, as a favor to her vacationing mother; and Keleher. Whatever they might have hoped to learn about the long-lost Mackey, why he had fallen away so far so long so strangely, stayed unknown.

“That cult was a curious thing,” Keleher said. “Kind of weird.”

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Former member of UFO suicide cult buried in ABQ

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13 Responses to “Sawyer comments on Article about Cddody’s (Fred’s) vehicle’s death”

  1. jim Says:

    Well said:

    “That cult was a curious thing,” Keleher said. “Kind of weird.”

    Once all of the cult members die, the cult will die with them. All the weirdness, craziness, kookiness, Spock-iness, and creepiness will die as well.

    HG will continue its descent into distant memory. People will continue to belly laugh at the stupidity of the whole thing. People will see Do’s wild-eyed ravings on youtube and snicker.

    Most people have already forgotten — and literally nobody cares because it was all lunacy. Patently ridiculous and “kind of weird”.

    • sawyer Says:

      The Next Level is not in the business of harvesting vehicles. Yes it’s wierd because we’ve been brainwashed to think it’s science fiction and we know science fiction isn’t real and a whole lot more. Ti and Do said if one soul graduated there would be a celebration on the spacecraft. It’s evolution by choice.

      • jim Says:

        the brainwashing was done to you folks over decades. but you wanted to believe, so it was easy.

        at the end, herff, the poor old guy, had no idea what to do. the “comet as sign” is a good example — in the old days, comets were signs because people didn’t understand them. today, we know exactly when they’ll appear. herff was desperate and probably dying (he looks horrible in the last tapes).

        he, like all of you, didn’t really know anything — heck, he could barely turn on a computer the old fool — what would happen to the flock if he died, or was locked up (jail or rubber room)?

        Suicide made sense. Your brainwashing was of hope (you really hoped all these things were true).

        Sad.

      • sawyer Says:

        you show your superstition and ignoring of the facts by saying “we know exactly when they’ll appear” about comets. Hale Bopp for instance came out of nowhere as a number do. In fact there was one recently they were predicting it’s course and then it didn’t show up. There is so much evidence of how little we really do KNOW though talk about as if it’s known that it shows the extent of the brainwashing that many humans have accepted, taught from children to respect as the truth.

  2. Harry Says:

    Hi Sawyer! Thanks for the continued up-keep of the blog. What I’m about to ask doesn’t really fit here, and maybe you’ve covered what it addresses in another post and can direct me to that, or to a forum or what-have-you where it’s been discussed (I’m fairly new to sources of info on the history of HG, and there’s quite bit of material to sift through, here and elsewhere), but: I’m wondering if you know, or can hazard an educated guess as to why three of the members who left their vehicles/ended their lives in March 1997 didn’t appear on the HG ‘farewell statements’ video recording? I’m fairly sure every devotee recorded a message, or is at least seen on camera, with the exception of Avnody, Evnody and Leody. Perhaps the three of them felt that what they were about to do was impossible to ‘explain’ in a few words, or perhaps they did record something and then were unhappy with what they’d said, or maybe they comprised the ‘film crew’ for the recordings, and didn’t get a chance to appear in front of the camera themselves? (Can any of the voices doing the introductions to the members be recognised as belonging to any of the three?). I’m just curious as to why just those three are absent from the tape. Obviously you were no longer a member of the group by the time this was happening, but if you (or anyone else who happens to read this) can shed some light, it’d be appreciated. Best to you.

    • sawyer Says:

      One response to your question I can be certain about is that it was their choice to be on or off the camera. I don’t know what each of them would say was their reason. I don’t think Do would have felt they had to have a reason beyond what they felt, what we always called our “feeler”. Some may have thought it would have been harder on those in their vehicle’s human families to see them on film. They were all in the group photo Rio put in his book. I can photograph that for you and post it on my facebook page if you like as Rio’s book I’m told is very, very expensive to buy. Evnody was always very reserved in a powerful way as I was partnered with her in 1994 while we were overseers of one of the four groups traveling around giving meetings. She joined in 1993 and her vehicle was the sister of the one known as Stlody (Steel) who rejoined then too and I know their vehicle’s parents were naturally upset by it all and were somewhat active in the press, or maybe it was another sibling – but I thought it was a parent. Leo and Avn I had met but I didn’t know well as they both joined in 1994 and weren’t assigned to be in my group.

      It’s possible they made video’s and then didn’t like them but I doubt they would have been ruled out to use by Do and his helper students as that was never their way, though I’m not saying some of the “elder” students couldn’t have made suggestions – remaining senstive to the audience but I would think they would have remade them rather than not, that is if each wanted to make one.

      If was very important to Do that the students show where their heads were at if they wanted to. They had no desire or need to put on a front. Evidence of that fact was in Lvvody’s exit video where she was crying that some thought meant she was uncertain about the step they were taking which I know was not the case, yet I can’t prove that to someone that chooses to believe otherwise. Lvvody could have been sufferring out of joy and could have also sufferred for those of her vehicle’s family who she knew would have a hard time with it all, wishing they could see what she knew was the right step for them to take. Her vehicle’s brother had been important to her. He even came to meet with her once when we lived in California. So her response could have been compassion – wanting so badly to give some help to recognize who in fact they were representing.

      I’d have to listen to those voices behind the camera again to see if I could recognize the voices but if the voice was from one of the 1994 newer members I might not be able to distinguish who it was as on some of them all I have to do on are their own exit videos.

      Thank you for the supportive expressions.

      • Harry Says:

        Thanks for replying. I suppose I knew that their absence from that videotape was likely to remain a mystery (all three do feature in the panning-from-face-to-face segment of Do’s ‘final exit statement’ VT). The idea of them being the ones doing the filming was a long-shot; the vague thought being that all three were among the younger members of the group and might’ve been more ‘mass media’ savvy, and given that Leody had been in a rock band, I think, prior to joining (rejoining?) HG, he especially might’ve been more versed in using recording and editing equipment. All three seem to have been among the more reticent members of the group, though, and you’d expect a more extrovert character to be doing the intros and the verbal prompting, at least (except for one or two of the introductions, the off-camera voice remains the same one throughout and sounds as though it might belong to Ollody – the segment featuring him delivering his ‘farewell message’ being one of the ones that has a differently-voiced intro).

        It’s certainly a powerfully affecting recording. I wonder what happened to the original camcorder cassettes from which the edited tape was made? I don’t doubt that they no longer exist, but it would’ve been interesting to have had the chance to compare and contrast the released tape with the source recordings.

        If you get the chance to put up that photo from Rio’s book it would be appreciated (although, depending on your FB settings, I might not benefit currently, not having a FB account). I’d definitely like to have a look at his book sometime, although it sounds as though it’s become a collector’s item. Maybe it’ll get reissued at some point, or Rio will eventually consent to it being made available in e-form on ISSUU or somewhere like that.

        Mention of the fact that you and Evnody were assigned to the same group to oversee public meetings reminds me of seeing some footage used in a BBC documentary about HG, which features the two of you along with another member having a discussion with a rather belligerent-sounding radio-show host. Unfortunately only a tiny bit of it was shown, with the documentary narrator partially speaking over it and drowning out the back-and-forth exchanges between the three of you and the host. Wished they’d shown more of it; footage of HG members working ‘out in the field,’ showing the sorts of reception they faced, and the ways they dealt with indifference or opposition being especially interesting.

      • sawyer Says:

        Srrody was the camera operator for the beyond human tapes. I know because I was on the production team, usually partnered with srrody and sometimes at that time in 1992 with jwnody as she and I did a number of videos before Do decided to do them. I don’t know if he did the video recording for the exit videos but it wouldn’t be unusual for him to continue with that task. Lggody and Jwnody were also on the camera part of the project for BH – deciding what cameras to buy and learning to use them which actually began around 1988 when we briefly had a little video company where lggody and jwnody and dncody (who left the group soon after that) went to several UFO conferences and filmed various personalities like Linda moulten howe and whitley striber and others who were regulars on such circuts – thinking we would put them together to make presentations. That was all part of getting informed on the entire “ufo” subject that began with Do’s purchase of the book “UFO at Aztec”. Before that we had the book by Moore on Roswell in our little library but there wasn’t any required reading of it nor talk about the so called ufo phenomena.

        That video of evn and I includled rkkody as he had just rejoined us again at that time, if I recall. It was in a portland, Oregon radio station ahead of a meeting we put on there in early 1994.

        If you are ever of a mind to investigate other media events we did during that 1994 trek – we did a fairly big spread for the CBS affiliate in Dallas, Texas where we showed on camera a number of ollody’s paintings. I wonder if that footage could be found as it was on the evening TV news along with an article in the Dallas Morning News advertising our meeting there.

        Mark and sarah and/or rio have the footage from that 9 months in 1994 they provided sergio for the doc he did called, “the day after” which I believe you are referring to for the radio broadcast footage. Most of the opposition at meetings that were vocal were against us from the christian perspective with some heckling and insults, but not alot really as no one was there that was indifferent having read a poster or seen/heard a broadcast on radio or TV.

        By the time we got to the east coast the numbers who would show up for meetings was very reduced. In the meeting my group did near Portsmouth New Hampshire we were already talking about self exiting our vehicles and at that meeting there was one or two people, one of which was press.

  3. Harry Says:

    Ideally all of the existing ‘field’ footage and so forth of the HG community would be tracked down and collected in one place; the full, unexpurgated recordings, with no edits or commentary used to ‘frame’ them in any particular way. The bits that I’ve seen so far from various documentaries online, showing the students out organising meetings and preparing to address audiences, or engaging in day-to-day activities at their home bases, really work as a corrective to the idea that they were nothing more than unresourceful, pliant vessels carrying out Do’s whims. A properly assembled and objectively maintained archive of this material would help keep the example of the ‘Away Team’ alive, and allow anyone who found the media’s various depictions of the community to be ‘spun’ or biased to form their own independent opinions.

    • sawyer Says:

      I have no problem with that at all, but if you are insinuating that my experience with them, often seen in that footage of their being on the road and on the Beyond Human tapes isn’t of use to that record, then that’s your opinion if you are calling what I do an “edit” or “commentary”, and is not going to change my efforts in that regard. If you are implying what I do is “spinning” things, that’s like saying the Bible can ONLY be the authentic record of the relationship of the Next Level with earth/humanity’s current civilization even though there are other materials that show the same consistancy of thought, behavior and ways, though I agree that what Ti and Do said is the clearest record everything else said needs to be founded upon to show what is intricately related that can be the basis of helping someone bridge their own bias to help one past preconditioned stumbling blocks. I am referring to the way the prophecy of Jesus to include in a big way the Book of Revelations was clearly the same record and the desire of Ti and Do to show those souls originally from the “house of Israel” ways of interface for their own lesson step options.

      • Harry Says:

        Apologies for not making my thoughts very clear. I’m not trying to insinuate that you yourself are editing or framing excerpts from recordings (or writings or any other materials, for that matter) to forward a personal agenda. I don’t connect you with the use of existing bits and pieces of recordings available or once available online at all, actually. I’d mainly got that BBC documentary I mentioned in mind when writing that, since at this point that’s the one I’m most familiar with (as I’ve said, I’ve got lots of catching up to do, re. HG), and I know that although you appear in that, you weren’t responsible for the making of it. I would never lump you in with the mass media when considering/discussing how the history and aims of HG have been portrayed by TV and online news outlets and YouTube and so on. You were a longstanding member of the group, and that first-hand experience will have provided you with experiences and insights that will always place you apart from any speculative/assumptive media takes. So, to try and clarify what I meant: I think that documentaries that use edits from these HG camcorder recordings are fine as far as they go, but I think that alongside that, it should be possible somewhere to view the source material from which the extracts used in any documentaries were taken, in as complete and unexpurgated form as possible. That’s all!

      • sawyer Says:

        Thanks for the clarification. I agree with providing to the public any and all source materials created by Ti and Do and Crew. There is nothing to hide. For whatever it’s worth, I have none of those source materials. Mark and Sarah who manage heavensgate.com have whatever was left behind that those snippets came from. For all I know there may not be any more. Each group didn’t have a videographer that I knew about but I wasn’t informed about what Ti and Do set up with other of the four groups. Each group did have a cell phone, a computer – a compaq – about the smallest consumer grade computers that existed at that time and a tiny printer to make master posters to use to make copies for meeting advertisments. Rkkody had a camera and was with me in the group I was an overseer of for a short time and at times two or more groups were in the same location and joined together to do a meeting or two, as at the University of Chicago meeting that I saw some footage of that I suspect was rkkody’s doing and at the Dallas meeting. I suspect the footage of us eating could have been from the time we spent at a Christian camp east of Missoula, MT. You can write to mark via the hg website to see if there is more but I doubt he will give you anything unless you can prove you have some press credentials.

  4. Harry Says:

    Also, by ‘field’ recordings (that’s more of an audio recording term, and by using/bastardising it perhaps I’m muddying the waters, here) I’m referring expressly to the footage recorded of HG students by HG students when out putting up posters, driving to venues to hold meetings, conducting discussions/debates with venue audiences, eating meals together, etc). Self-documentation recordings, in other words. All of the other more formally produced recordings, the Beyond Human series and recordings of Do’s other direct-to-camera talks; the Students Expressing Their Thoughts Before Exit tape; Do’s Final Exit tape, etc, are a category apart (and for the most part are, or until recently were, available in full on sites like YouTube and Vimeo in any case).

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