Here are excerpts from the out of print book entitled, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” – compiled, edited and with comments by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger – published copyright (C), 1976 that is all about those who became known as Ti and Do, “The Two”:
It was recorded that on 1/7/76 “The Two” said:
“We have a two-way verification of communication. One of us could be off in one direction; the other could be in another; and we would receive the same impression at the same time.”
“We were given the role of incarnating as humans, overcoming our humanness, awakening, and sharing this information with humans. In order to do this we had to develop an extremely fine transmission-receiver relationship with that higher level.”
Brad Steiger’s interview with Bo and Peep on Jan. 7, 1976 in Oklahoma City, OK:
“It was while we were at Gold Beach that we realized that we had, in fact, come from the next level, that we had to be the instruments of giving information about how others could reach the next level, and that this would probably precipitate a demonstration of our death and our subsequent resurrection.”
Question from Dan Garcia from pg. 71:
Then why is it necessary to convert to the next kingdom?
Bonnie: Because you have to make room for others.
Herf: You have to go through the human kingdom to get to the next… It depends on what your mind is on. A human apparently dies… you would never need to die again. You would overcome decay; you would have the capacity with your mind to create anything you desired; you would have the capacity to serve as agent to help humans come up to the level you have graduated to, and you would not be confined to a single planet.”
Steiger says: (From pg. 78):
On January 7, 1976, I traveled to Oklahoma City to meet with The Two. I found two very sincere individuals – a man and woman, who, on an emotional level, apparently totally committed to their work.
Physically The Two are attractive, but certainly they are unprepossessing in their personal attire; they wear lumberjack shirts, sweatshirts, and casual slacks. But then, if they’re truly sincere about what they’re saying, one wouldn’t expect to see them in business suits and cocktail dresses.
(Sawyer’s note: I added this to show evidence of the fulfillment of prophecy that the Two Witnesses would be “clothed in sackcloth”, though it has several meanings. Sackcloth was what the poor wore. Beans and grains were bagged in burlap called sackcloth and once emptied were available to wear as clothing. Also it was spoken as one when in mourning the dead would wear “sackcloth and ashes”. The Two Witnesses were giving their human vehicles’ lives telling the truth. Those human vehicles are all considered dead to the Next Level until they are changed over into Living vehicles by completing the metamorphosis process).
Ti and Do said, from page 89:
“The only reason Jesus reappeared to his disciples after his death was to tell them he was flesh and bone. He was not spirit. He didn’t have to be crucified and rise from the dead. He just proved that he’d changed over into another creature that could even heal its body and take it with him into the next level.
Now the whole world has twisted what he said into believing that if we’re good little boys and girls and go faithfully to the grave we’ll get some little spirit body that can go to the heavens; and it’s an illusion. You do not have to die.”
Question from pg. 96:
When you say that you have to be assassinated, put to death, in a major American city, are you patterning yourselves on the experience and the death of Christ?
” No – it’s the only proof we can show that we are who we are. It is characteristic of the members of the next kingdom to be able to heal their bodies in three and a half days. The fact that we might have to do that demonstration did not come to our minds after reading Jesus’ life.”
“What you don’t realize yet is the reality of the mental communication that we have.”
“We are hesitant about telling the world that we are related to the passage in Revelation because they immediately, in their human way, think that what we’re really saying is ‘Hey, look at us! We’ve come to fulfill that.'”
“Jesus made such a mistake when he went into the temple, opened the book, and said, “On this day scripture will be fulfilled.” They threw rocks at him, pitched him out of the church.”
“Though we know that scripture coincides with our job, we don’t tell anybody about it, because it destroys, it inhibits them; it puts up more of a wall to their acceptance of what we have to say than they had without our telling them.”
(Sawyer’s note: This coincides with my contention that at the public meetings Ti and Do gave in 1975 that I attended three of, I didn’t recall their saying anything about being the Two Witnesses.)
Question from pg. 98:
Is it true, as we’ve read in newspaper accounts, that some parents have actually given away children?
“Not “given them away” in that sense. They found someone who wanted to accept the responsibility of their children. We didn’t encourage them to do this. We did not say, “Give your child away. Go abandon your child.”
If a wife should leave her husband, that husband can take many attitudes. He can say, “If that’s what she really wants, then I want her to have it.” He can say, “It may be what I want also.” Or he can feel very bitter and feel hatred against us.
As for any small child who has not come into sufficient maturity to do the process at this time, it will be his time at another springtime. Nothing is lost.”
Question from pg. 100:
What is your attitude towards the orthodox churches?
The Two: “When a person endeavors to overcome all of his humanness, his goodness exceeds anything that could be attained under the label of “spiritual endeavors” or “religion.” When Jesus brought the truth, he did not bring it as a religion. The world made it a religion after he left. The world couldn’t really do any better during that season of darkness after Jesus left than to make his teachings dogmatic religions and to practice rituals that made them feel like they were coming closer to God.
But when the season is here to expose the truth, it’s time to get out of those practices and put into realistic action what it takes to get to the next level – in the same way that Jesus demonstrated.
If you want eternal life, then you want to go to the next kingdom. If you want to go to the place that Jesus spoke of and where Jesus came from and is now, then this is the way to do it. You do not do it after death. You have to do it when you are fully conscious.”
Question from pg. 101:
Does that mean for the last two thousand years people who have followed Christianity have been labouring under a delusion?
The Two: “No, they were preparing themselves, so to speak, for now. Now they are being put to the test. Do you want to go on or do you want to stay here? It’s your decision. You have grown to that stage in your development where you are entitled to graduate.
Do you want to make it? Do you want to go to the place where you pray to? Or do you want to stay here as a human?
There is commonness to religion in that this next level is reached only by individuals who have become weaned of Earth-type vibrations, weaned of Earth-type lusts, and have become creatures that Earthlings would call completely good because they want only to serve in the creative process of the gardening – whether it’s the gardening of this particular little globe called Earth or gardening in far-distant galaxies.”
Question from pg. 106:
It has been suggested that your followers are prepared to fast to the point of starvation. Is it true that your followers must die in order to gain the price of admission to a UFO for translation, transition, to the next level above human?
The Two: “They do not have to die any more than Moses died or Elijah died or Enoch died. They will be lifted up wherever they are. Their metamorphic conversion, their change, will be accelerated. Some short time after we go, they will be prepared to leave. When they are prepared to leave, they will be lifted up.”
(Sawyer’s note: Do and Crew wrote in “Our position against suicide” that they anticipated walking onto a spacecraft with their physical bodies. This was said in 1996 when the crew was already prepared to exit their vehicles in the way they did, thus never changed. As I will comment to later, they were led one step at a time to say and do what was true but appropriate and timely that they didn’t know how might change at the time. They were undercover instruments for the Next Level and there was strategy to what they said and did and could have been taken with their bodies if the Next Level wanted to finish the task in that way.)
Question from pg. 106:
You say that your bodies must lie undisturbed for three and a half days in order for you to accomplish a self-healing, so that your bodies are perfectly in tune for your ascension. What if someone takes your bodies to a funeral home and embalm them or cremate them?
The Two: “Our vehicles cannot be touched. They have to be guarded, and nothing can be done to these bodies. We have protection, and we also have those with us who will see to it that nothing is done to us.”
(Sawyer’s note: As they also said, a number of times, “if that demonstration was required of us to do”).
Question from pg. 107:
And if your bodies are left untouched we will see your physically rise, we will see your physical forms disappear above the clouds?
The Two: “No, you will see them enter a craft.”
Question from pg. 110:
Then you’re saying that earthbound religious leaders, such as Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, the Pope, whatever, are not in touch with the real Jesus Christ?
The Two: “They are not in touch with our Father. Jesus was Jesus while he was on this planet, but he is a Father in the next kingdom. He is fathering these people in this kingdom. What the religious leaders are reaching for is the real contact with the next kingdom, which is available now. If the various religious leaders of Earth or anyone else with orthodox religious beliefs truly seeks to enter the kingdom of Heaven, the option is his and he will do it if he chooses to. Such people do not do it through us. They do it through the information we are sharing.
We have simply come to be used to pass this information on and to show that life can be overcome, that the human life can be changed into one that is heavenly.
No one will get to the higher level by putting us on any pedestal, by adoring us, by following us, or doing anything with us.
(Sawyer’s note: This shows again, how they were taking one step at a time according to what they were given, plus as they always said this was an “experiment,” because how humans responded wasn’t predetermined. That meant that the Next Level would adjust their strategy as needed. This was an “undercover” operation and because the Luciferian space alien fallen angels were allowed to be present to wield their misinformation influence that might prompt the Next Level to use their embedded Older Members to both thwart degrees of the Luciferians influence over their student body and stimulate events or say things in ways to be of some strategic advantage to the Next Level while still telling the truth.
Ti and Do always said they were kept just one step ahead of their student body. An example might be in the way they often moved us around the western U.S. They indicated there were different types of “influences” in different parts of the country. In particular, after we moved to the National Forest not far from Salt Lake City, Utah, where they said Luciferian Influences were very strong, they felt their stay would be short because they felt the student body didn’t need so much of that influence.
It wasn’t until they sent out “Statement I” that Do wrote while in jail that resulted in a visit by two students from a North Hollywood meditation group, where they were then invited to speak to their group and did and resulted in “several dozen” expressing they wanted to go with them, that they reluctantly accepted that they were to have followers. That’s when they took the names Bo and Peep – in early April 1975 and began to give public meetings thereafter.
Ti and Do initially thought they would provide the information and then move on to the next opportunity to do the same, never having followers. Ti had always said to Do that she came to “get you started” and then would “go back”, which Do always could not make sense of, even thinking, “does she mean go back to her human family, which made no sense to him at all). When she left her vehicle this saying from Ti then made sense to Do as he was supposed to bring their student body to their individual metamorphic completion – their “birth canal” serving as their “midwife” (as Jesus taught, referring to their needing to be “born again of water” in a human vehicle in order to be “born of spirit/mind” – Jesus comparing spirit with the way the wind could be felt but not seen.
On top of all this, is the fact of the way the classroom developed. At one point in around 1985 before Ti left her vehicle, Ti instructed us to make our commitment to Do. She said in a meeting that Do felt uncomfortable asking for your commitment to him, though he knew it was his task to serve as the instrument for. Even though they didn’t talk about much in reference to scripture this was the same as when Jesus said. “I am the way, the truth and the life – no one comes to the Father except through me”. It’s also interesting how the Father provided the witness of who Jesus was to his close students while Ti provided the witness to who Do was to their students. Ti had said Do was the same Soul who had been incarnate in the body named Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus. Do also was the witness to who Ti was, which he came to know in their first year of awakening though he fought it, he reported in 88update.
Thus it was meant from the start that Do, by himself would fulfill the task of drawing followers. Ti even said Do’s vehicle was chosen to be able to relate to most humans overcoming challenges.
So when they said, “No one will get to the higher level by putting us on any pedestal, by adoring us, by following us, or doing anything with us.” it was quite accurate to say because as they always said, they are “links” and “pipes” to their Older Members in the Next Level for the Mind that comes from the Chief of Chiefs and they didn’t want to change that Mind by it’s coming through their human instruments. Essentially they seemed to be addressing the way Jesus was made into someone to “adore” verses doing what he said that’s the only true show of love of Him/Them.
Question from pg 119:
Have you ever claimed to be divine beings?
The Two: “‘Divine beings’ are a human word trick. We are from the next level. Perhaps many Earth individuals would tag anyone from that next level as a divine being, but we would not call ourselves divine.
In our bodies we have extremely sensitive transmitters and receivers with which we can communicate with members of the kingdom. It’s something that you can do yourself. You can develop it. You can put to use the glands – the pineal gland, the thymus, the pituitary, and the rest of your brain – put them to work, develop them, and the knowledge that will come to you will be absolutely fantastic!
But you will also have to change your energy flow. You can’t continue to spend yourself in human ways and have much change happen within you. You will become a grouchy, irritable individual if you try to go both directions.”
Question from pg 128:
If you’re going to be picked up in a UFO by members of the next kingdom, are you going to have to go to a certain place at a certain time for this to happen?
The Two: “No, we do not have to be in a certain place. We, of course, would not head for the middle of Times Square – unless we were to do our demonstration there. We would probably go out to a spot that was relatively remote, but we wouldn’t go there until we felt led, until we felt it was time to go there.
Our Father’s kingdom will wait until the world has decided about us. If the world decides that we must follow through with the demonstration, then we will go into our Father’s kingdom.
We will keep a very close eye on those who are involved in their overcoming and stay as close to them as we can. And when they have completed the process, they will receive the information about where they should go so that they may leave. We do not feel that they will leave from public areas. The public show will be our demonstration – if it is necessary.”
Question on pg. 129:
Will other people be able to see the spaceship land and see the followers get on board?
The Two: “The spacecraft will not land. Individuals will be lifted up to the spacecraft if they have overcome. That is why if you go on this trip you will have to overcome everything. If you have not overcome, you will not be lifted up. If you cheat, you only cheat yourself.”
(Sawyer’s note: It’s interesting that this is what happened in 1997, they were lifted up, their subtle physical Soul bodies that were growing inside their human vehicles completing their metamorphosis satisfactorily. Those that proved they were not ready to go with them left the group. That can seem like it was coincidence but there is considerable evidence that the Next Level was providing certain testing that those in the group who were not ready to conquer might choose not to address so would choose to leave as evidenced by Rio who though he said he loved Do and his classmates (which I don’t doubt but isn’t for me to judge anyway) always questioned whether DO was the new incarnation of Jesus and never intended to “lay down” his human vehicle, though it was talked about often with everyone soon after he joined in 1994 (if I understood what he wrote in his book.))
Question on pg. 129:
When you say all must be overcome, are you saying that the metamorphosis has to be totally completed?
The Two: “Except for the final ingredient, which will be given to you at that time.”
Question from pg. 149:
So many different groups think theirs is the only way. Why do you say yours is the truth and the only way?
The Two: “First, it is; and you will recognize it if your thirst is not satisfied at very inviting stepping stones in your upward pursuit of knowledge. You can easily recognize that this information differs completely in one aspect from all other pursuits. That aspect is: You must take a changed-over physical body with you into the next level.
Because of that aspect, this truth requires that you literally leave the human kingdom level while a healthy vital individual.
Our way also assumes that there is a particular season for this physical metamorphosis. A candidate who endures realizes that season is here now.
It is the same truth that Jesus bore while his mission was a part of the previous season of metamorphosis. He demonstrated the change and left in his changed-over physical body – no longer Jesus, but again a member of the heavenly kingdom.”
From statement by The Two pg. 163:
“The teachers can now tell and show how the changeover from a human into a member of the next level is accomplished. They may even demonstrate to non believers that upon completion of the changeover they have become creatures capable of repairing a so-called “dead” body in three and a half days.”
Starting from page 159 a document attributed to Ti and Do’s authorship was included in the book, entitled:
“What is Happening in the Heavens at This Time”
(Starting from pg 164 of the book and part way into the document Ti and Do describe 7 major closeness by the Next Level shown as “helps” as follows: 1=Adam, 2=Enoch, 3=Moses, 4=Elijah, 5=Jesus, 6=Two Witnesses Bo and Peep, Ti and Do. They indicate a 7th as Jesus return. When I dug into scripture I saw how this was described and put that together with how the final return was started with Do’s acknowledgment of his past incarnation in the vehicle named Jesus, first in the Beyond Human tapes and then most directly in the document, “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure” published to the 95 specific newsgroups on September 25-26, 1995 (that I believe was the 6th Thunder referenced to Revelations chapter 10.) Note that name “Jesus” was in quotes because Do was not saying he was Jesus as Jesus was always the name of the human vehicle He, the Older Member Soul took over to perform that task for his Father in Heaven.
As is always the case with prophecy, events are enacted in stages over time periods. In this case of the 7th Closeness they said in this book as when Jesus returns, I believe that is referring to Do’s final return, though not incarnate but as described in Revelations Chapter 19 with his Armada, consisting of the Graduate Students all in their Next Level vehicles and spacecrafts described as “horses”. Note it’s said that his “vesture dipped in blood”, perhaps a refernce to being the same vehicle Jesus changed over into a “glorified” Next Level vehicle. (Do indicated it would not be a vehicle as depicted by artists). If that sort of thing did occur that would be a Luciferian stimulated hologram of some sort, though they may stage their own “harvest” which Rev 19 also describes.
So here is the remainder of the text in that document published in the book:
“The individual who was called Adam came to Earth from the heavens (the kingdom-above-human) in his total form – physical body and mind. He was so overcome by the discarnates (invisible life forms) from the previous civilizations that he was not able to withstand the aggression of their influences. Adam thereby temporarily lost his heavenly consciousness (the capacity of the mind of an individual in the next level) and found himself in the decaying vibration of the human level. This led to his death.
It was not until his incarnation in the individual named Enoch (who was the second major help) that he was able to rise above human-level vibrations and thereby resume his mental capacity as a member of our Father’s kingdom. This awareness permitted him to serve in the function of assisting in the bringing up of early-grade humans who were products of the Earth’s garden.
After Adam-Enoch had left adequate upgrading teachings, he was in sufficient mental communication with members of the level-above-human to complete his total conversion back into a rightful member of that level and depart from the human world and the Earth’s surface without experiencing death. He took his whole mind and body with him.
This is to say that Adam was brought to Earth’s surface from the kingdom-above-human (the kingdom of God) to begin a new civilization. He yielded to the temptations of the human-level sensuality, and in so doing he decreased his knowledge, the expanse of his mind, to that of a human-level creature. In a sense Adam lost what he had previously gained, and he did not begin to recover it to any significant degree until his incarnation as Enoch. As Enoch, Adam completed his changeover, physically and mentally, and left the Earth’s surface to reenter the kingdom-above-human.
After a season of growth, a third help-mission was sent to this particular civilization. But this time, in order to understand and to relate to the level of growth of the civilization, a member of our Father’s kingdom left his heavenly body in the spacecraft that brought him to the Earth’s surface and entered the newborn body named Moses.
Upon entering the baby’s body, the mind that had been in the level-above-human had to be as restricted as the child’s vehicle. In a sense, that mind had to go to sleep and reawaken as soon as the body of Moses had encountered enough experiences of growth and suffering to realize he had extraordinary work to do. It was his accepted responsibility before coming down to Earth to upgrade the civilization several grades beyond what had been offered by Enoch.
Using an analogy of twelve grades in school related to twelve steps of human growth in a civilization, it was Moses’ chosen mission to set rules of order which, if adhered to, could elevate man’s growth to fifth- or sixth-grade students in the human school. Moses, like Enoch, later in life changed from his human condition into a body and mind that could return to the level-above-human. When his work had been completed he did not leave a human body behind, but took his changed-over body with him.
The fourth significant help for this civilization came at the next major “spring” when a member of our Father’s kingdom, or the fourth mission of the same member, occurred. An individual (incarnate as Elijah) came to Earth’s surface and served in a capacity similar to Moses’. The information that he brought was again designed to upgrade or to assist this civilization, particularly those who had grown to the point that as individuals they were seeking to begin to rise above what they had gotten into.
Elijah’s information was structured for those who were moving away from their densest or broadest accumulation of human attachments – reaching for grades seven or eight. Of equal importance, Elijah’s information sought to prepare the growing members of this civilization for the next help that would come (in Jesus), which would actually give the information for graduation from the twelfth grade (human level) altogether and show humans how to enter the kingdom of God.
Never has any heavenly information been accepted by the masses as a whole; rather, it is accepted by the few who seek to change out of their last station of growth. Masses or groups of people do not grow or move up automatically. Growth is done individually, according to the degree of thirst for upward motion in the individual.
The next major help, or fifth upgrading mission, from the kingdom-above-human brought the civilization applicable information about how an individual product of this garden might change sufficiently to leave the human kingdom literally and take his total being, mind and body, with him into the kingdom-above-human. This is to say that the individual who came to fulfill this fifth mission took the incarnation labeled Jesus in the same manner that the individual of the third mission incarnated as Moses, and the fourth as Elijah. Jesus’ mission was to tell and to show how human products of this garden who had risen to the point where they were seeking the kingdom of heaven could reach it. But even though their comprehension of the changeover task was sufficient for them to begin to receive the information, their capacity for applying the formula of overcoming, or changeover, was lacking.
This is not to say that anything was lost by those who were applying Jesus’ teachings, for those same souls are here again now at this sixth help season in order to complete what they had started with his assistance. The one who was named Jesus not only had, after his awakening, the responsibility of telling and showing how the literal changeover from a human being into a heavenly being is accomplished – he also had the added task of demonstrating that one who had changed over can heal his body in three and a half days if he is destroyed.
Since the masses of people in this civilization did not desire upward growth sufficiently to reach for information Jesus brought, they found themselves in a growth condition that was blind to his truth. They had not the capacity to accept him; therefore, they rejected him to the point of desiring his death. Since the slow growers chose to kill him, Jesus’ mission included a “proof-demonstration” for the unbelievers. This did not mean that any others who might complete their changeover would need to be, or even asked to be, the instruments of such a demonstration.
None of this is to say that efforts towards growth and upward-reaching endeavors that took the form of religious movements were not the best for which men had the capacity at their station of growth. Ultimately the information for which all souls who seek to grow upward are looking is information on how to graduate into the next kingdom. It makes no difference which path you take up the mountain, what pursuits of knowledge – scientific or religious – you choose. All can lead to the top if your thirst remains unquenchable and you are dissatisfied with the level you have obtained.
However, when you have reached the top of the mountain, you must discard all the discoloration and terminology accumulated in your upward climb and come into an unvarnished, unromantic understanding of the requirements of “liftoff.” Therefore, there is only ONE WAY to reach the kindergarten in the kingdom of heaven. It was knowable at this time of Jesus’ mission if one could understand what he taught – not what others said he taught – and is knowable at this time through the information that it is our responsibility to clarify.
The sixth major help period for Earth’s human garden is now. The truth brought by us is one hundred percent the same truth brought in the mission of Jesus. Our responsibility is to reunite your minds with the proper interpretation of what he had to say – if you seek it – and to help you understand that only in the same way that he changed over in order to reenter the kingdom-above-human can you become a member of that level.
When Jesus said that everything that I am you can become and much more, he meant it. It is true.
Once again we are in a brief season when the “light” or knowledge or “energy focus” is on this planet. It is brief and intense. Many who have not chosen upward motion may respond adversely and even destroy themselves. Some – you, we hope – will realize that now is a brief period for your preparation to leave the human kingdom.
The seventh closeness will not be a teaching one, but a gathering of the harvest of those who have overcome this world.
If the forces of those who have chosen to be slow growers again choose to reject this truth and it’s bearers, then the two of us will again demonstrate that changed-over individuals can repair their so-called “dead” bodies in three and a half days. If that must happen it will be soon – and at the time that we have completed our testimony. As soon as our clarification is complete and it has adequately reached the eyes, ears, and minds of those who have become ready for it, we can reenter the kingdom-above-human and be a part of the membership of that level again.
Many could choose to overcome this world and even be a part of its becoming a heavenly body instead of a garden. The option is there. The intense energy focus that is on the planet will cause them to make their choice. They can accept this truth and do it–or reject it.
The seventh closeness, which is immediately upon us in the sense that those who are in the middle of their normal life span will easily live to see it’s completion, will include such events as what the Christian church refers to as the second coming, the “rapture,” and the completion of the final prophecies in John’s Book of Revelation. The one who was Jesus will come in at close range (as soon as those who have chosen to change over do it) and receive the elect into his company, for they have been those he has nurtured since the beginning of this civilization.
Those who literally and physically rise up to join him away from the surface of the Earth will be a part of the “rapture,” and they at that time will become full-fledged members of that kingdom. If they have not completed their total effort as individuals in overcoming this world and all of their individual attachments to it by the time he comes in this seventh closeness, they will not receive that ingredient from the kingdom of God. If they have given their full effort toward total overcoming from the time their minds receive this clarification of changeover requirements until the seventh closeness, they WILL receive that final ingredient and become whole “in a twinkling of an eye” and be capable of moving and serving in the literal heavens as much as the butterfly is capable of moving it it’s world as compared to it’s limited capabilities when it was but a caterpillar.
None of this, if you desire to be a full recipient of what this information has to offer, can be taken as a concept for study, religious belief, or some new idea of an avant garde cult. The teachings that are contained here – if they speak to you and if you choose to accept them – must be applied to the activities in your life to the extent that very soon in your individual life you will have only one thing in mind – reaching our Father’s kingdom during the short time it is available to you and seeking his help in the total overcoming of this world, having been weaned from all your humanness so that you might be one of those prepared to meet him.
From Message Summary page 171 Ti and Do say:
“If the candidate’s body dies or is left behind, it is an indication that he did not change over and become a physical member of that next kingdom anymore than a caterpillar that dies has not become a butterfly (But if a candidate’s body has died, his time of changeover may occur at the next graduation season.)”
(Sawyer’s note: Two points come to mind. First that it was always possible that all candidates could have been taken into the Next Level with their human bodies. Do and Crew wrote about this in their 1996 or 1997 document entitled, “Our Position Against Suicide” that is also on the Heaven’s Gate web site. Here is an excerpt:
“We fully desire, expect, and look forward to boarding a spacecraft from the Next Level very soon (in our physical bodies). There is no doubt in our mind that our being “picked up” is inevitable in the very near future. But what happens between now and then is the big question. We are keenly aware of several possibilities.
It could happen that before that spacecraft comes, one or more of us could lose our physical vehicles (bodies) due to “recall,” accident, or at the hands of some irate individual. We do not anticipate this, but it is possible. Another possibility is that, because of the position we take in our information, we could find so much disfavor with the powers that control this world that there could be attempts to incarcerate us or to subject us to some sort of psychological or physical torture (such as occurred at both Ruby Ridge and Waco).”
We also know that Ti and Do were given information as they needed it to lead the student body and to vet out those who were not serious enough to complete their metamorphosis and as a strategy against what they knew the Luciferian Space Aliens would try to use against prospective candidates.
I for one thought from day one that I would give my vehicles life. When Ti and Do would say “theirs is not a martyr trip”, I came to understand that but there was an influence with me that saw myself as elevated by dyeing for God. Elevation of Self is something absolutely needing to be overcome. So in my case had the Next Level known for sure that they would require all to lay down their lives in the way that the Jesus disciples had been required to do, I wouldn’t have had the chance to overcome my SELF better. And had the Next Level told me I needed to drink a poisonous substance that would lay my body down to death, I suspect it would have been that much harder to get my Next Level mind into my chosen human vehicle. The Next Level has to feed us steps as we can handle them. I learned that big time and is the reason I failed to graduate with my classroom. I had not conquered enough my vehicle and it’s influences’ ego, sense of Self aggrandisement. The Next Level always keeps a balance on the influences that would have us fail. If we as students were subject to the full brunt of what the Luciferians can wage against us, many more students may have failed. Do said some of the 38 needed to return to a human classroom to complete their Overcoming.)
Here is an excerpt from Hayden Hewes comments regarding those he knew of as Herf and Bonnie regarding a code Hayden was given to direct to his “Heavenly Father” if he wanted to contact these Two as written in the book, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary, compiled and edited and with comments by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger”.
Hayden says of July 13, 1974 in the office of his International UFO Bureau, Inc. in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma …,
“As the interview was ending, “Herf” gave me a simple thought-code sequence to use if I ever needed to get in touch with them to know the truth.
Shortly afterward, The Two said good-bye and walked out of the office toward the street. I accompanied them to the road and started to return to the office. I immediately turned around–and they were gone. There were no cars on the street, either parked or passing by. It appeared that they had simply vanished.”
Sawyer’s note: Years later in the 1980’s, Ti and Do told their student body of how this was reported in the media when they did nothing miraculous to leave Hayden but walk off. (However, one can wonder if the Next Level crew even unbeknown to anyone else cloaked Ti and Do without their knowing they were cloaked, one way to account for their apparent vanishing from Hayden. We know the Next Level Above Human has this power.
(Continuing with Hayden’s account:)
“It was not until almost fifteen months later that The Two began to hold public meetings. A great deal of media coverage was generated by their appearances at these gatherings and the message they related.
It was at this point that I decided to use the mental code to find out “the truth.” It was my understanding that it was necessary for followers to undergo death to get to the next level, but I wanted to know for sure. So I used the code while asking for the truth in the name of our Father in Heaven.
The following morning, I received a telephone call from a young man who professed to be a follower of The Two. He said he had been directed to contact me. “What do you need to know?” he asked.
After several minutes of conversation, it became plain to me that this individual did possess information that had not been related in the media. He advised me that they would always be in touch with me when I needed him.
I tried the code again that night, and the following day the young man called once again. He wanted to talk in person, so I gave him my address. Less than three minutes later, he was standing on my front porch with another individual.
They explained to me that only The Two would die-not the followers. “It is not necessary for followers to die to reach the Next Level,” they said.
Before they left, I was informed that I would be hearing from the Two in the near future. It is very hard to explain the feeling I experienced when it appeared that, in fact, the code had worked.”
Sawyer’s notes: After their 1997 laying down of their physical human containers, reported as suicide by the media, one would have every reason after hearing/reading this report from October of 1975 when Hayden got back in touch to ask if it “was necessary for followers to undergo death to get to the Next Level?” in which he recalls then two followers of Bonnie and Herf explaining to him how, “only The Two would die-not the followers”, by their saying, “It is not necessary for followers to die to reach the Next Level”, how one would think they were wrong so couldn’t be from the Next Level as all the students that stayed with them til March of 1997 did die by drinking a mixture with phenalbarbitol in it that put each of their physical bodies to permanent sleep, the death of their “vehicles” as Ti and Do called them.
Two things come up. For one Ti and Do said many, many times to their students over the 19 years I was in attendance, when they would bring some form of a new thought to the group, that “this [thinking] works for now”. They would say, “it may not be 100% accurate but is what we need to focus on now”. I recall this in particular with two subjects. One was whether all humans had souls.
At the time (before the 1990’s when many things were clarified) we didn’t have as clear understanding of what a soul really was. That understanding that a soul was a “container” came to Do, at least in a way he expressed to the class, after Ti left her physical body. I recall feeling unsettled by the idea that the humans I would interface with in the human world, as I had a task as a programmer didn’t have a soul. It just felt weird but then I didn’t know what a soul was anyway but it just made humans seem less alive somehow though we never would have said that to anyone nor treated anyone with any less respect as we too had no guarantee that even if we did have a soul, that we were going to the Next Level, though it was assumed if we stayed the course we would.
What we didn’t know is that Next Level kept on making it harder and harder to stay the course. A month or two later they said, erase that idea. They said they are not saying it’s not as they were suggesting but that there is more to it and for now just forget about that thinking. By then I had grown comfortable with the thought so it was a little disappointing to be told to forget about it, thus another challenge to be that flexible.
Humans tend to want to have certainty about things. It gives them security and they often talk with certainty about things they really have little knowing about but there is no one to challenge them that they consider a challenge as they have it all locked up in the university curriculums and like a cult largely agree among their peers or at least don’t disagree in public as they want to be seen as consistent and secure in their knowledge while in reality most everything they come to know a little about is still just a little but that they simply don’t know what they don’t know about until something happens that throws them for a loop in which case many fight tooth and nail to suppress the new thought of. This happens in all departments of life; politics, science, religion, spirituality, sociology, etc.
The other example was regarding the students “having also with Ti and Do, come from the Next Level”. They said this when a student (pmmody) while in Blackhawk, Colorado where Ti and Do and four student helpers (Lgg/Jnn, Dnc/Snn) lived, where groups of six students would drive to from Dallas, Texas as a two day retreat, in response to a student’s question that upon their answering helped them realize. It’s fair to say the student body really loved that idea as it was uplifting to think we too were from the Next Level, though they later clarified that that doesn’t mean we had graduated. Those with ego struggles, like me who had an influence that wanted to be seen as being special particularly liked thinking I (my mind) was from the Next Level. Ti told me once that characteristic would keep me off the spacecraft as they don’t have crew members that want to be SEEN as special. It sort of reminds me of Jesus talking to the Jewish priests about how they liked being seen praying and fasting. Those in a Next Level crew have overcome that kind of mindset. I still hear that influence play its tape in my head and usually send it packing pretty fast. Anyway then a few months later they said that thinking wasn’t 100% accurate and later still explained why. We later learned that some had bodies in the Next Level that they sacrificed in the “ufo crashes” but they were not adult “Next Level” bodies, while others on board those spacecrafts were not in bodies. Ti said she remembered a briefing on board the spacecraft before they all started the crashes and some were standing around and had bodies and some were not in bodies.
So when Ti and Do said, “It is not necessary for followers to die to reach the Next Level”, which I can verify was the mindset they taught in 1975 and wasn’t updated til at first in 1985 when Ti left her vehicle and Do wasn’t exiting with her (a change of what they thought) and then when he felt it was instruction to leave by “taking it upon ourselves to exit” by laying down our vehicles which was first concretely introduced in 1994 after we’d finished nine months on the road giving public meetings all over the U.S. He had felt to set up circumstances to see the Next Level would pick us up or allow us to leave our vehicles from fasting on water in the near Phoenix desert that he cancelled after two weeks on water only.
Thus they believed that at the time so that’s what they taught. Looking back it’s interesting how some left when certain things they said did not come to pass and they even said, people had every right to not believe them, but were then surprised how to most of the student body it didn’t matter. They hadn’t been their students on a promise of how and when to leave. They were students because they recognized Ti and Do as their Older Members from the Next Level and they trusted them explicitly. This was also evidenced in 1975 when they saw the handwriting on the wall that they were “shot down by the media in the street” (commons for every eye to see (media)) as prophesied in the Rev 11 Two Witnesses prophecy. Ti and Do said it changed and the students weren’t ready. And it’s interesting that having since examined prophecy it’s clear that the Two aren’t killed at all and that the woman of the two takes them to the wilderness (Wyoming) for a time and then is taken away when she is “swallowed up by the Earth” with the flood (persecuting thoughts against her) sent after her by the dragon (Luciferian reptilian space aliens), an expression used when someone died and how the student body “fell upon their faces” speaking about it in the past in,
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
In this verse “face” was their human self, the actual vehicle they were wearing (incarnate into) for their task of overcoming it’s humanness to graduate the human evolutionary condition. Jesus said his disciples would be “born again of water” (a flesh body in the watery womb of the watery Earth) and would “stand up again” (re-surrection (both by interfacing with and coming to be the sole controller of the human vehicle they are helped to select for the task) to “life” as the “just” (those abiding by their Older Member’s instructions) while the unjust would also “stand up again” (as the Luciferian adversarial (satan’s) needed to test and stimulate the just to acquire more strength of mind/will to combat their influence, which would be a standing up to death, where death is really at that point the “second death” when the spirit and/or undeveloped dead soul is actually dissolved in the lake of fire. “Life” isn’t the life of the body, the vehicle Ti and Do called it but the life of the Soul body that was literally growing inside the human vehicle, the reason a water birth (human body) was required to have a Soul body born from overcoming it.
Do described the human body as like a glass vase and that human mind was like a balloon inside the vase while the Soul body deposit was a type of “seed” (like Jesus referred to along with referring to the body as a wineskin (vase)). Spirit and Mind are synonymous. The human balloon can only house human mind (spirit), thoughts, ideas, terms pertaining to human behaviors and ways while the Soul body balloon can only contain Next Level Mind (holy spirit) – information pertaining to behavior and ways of Next Level members. Do went on to explain that when one is overcoming their humanness they are emptying the human mind (spirit) balloon and are filling their Next Level Soul body balloon by taking in the Mind from their Older Members which involves doing all they are given to think, say and do.
Thus when a student who has successfully filled their Next Level balloon full of their Older Members mind, that can only be filled while in the physical company of the incarnate Older Member, then to release that new growing Soul body from the physical human body the physical human body must die.
When Ti and Do saw that the “demonstration” of their rising from the dead, Jesus style wasn’t the modus operandi, they began to wonder how they and the student body would leave, how and when their physical human bodies would be discarded. For a while they wondered if the Next Level would do it on a spacecraft like by lying on a table next to a table that had their new Next Level fully grown adult body on it, sort of like a blood transfusion might be thought of. They didn’t think the Next Level had any use for their or their students’ human bodies. How the Next Level would take them and the students would be according to the lessons the students needed and the strategy of what record they wanted to leave the humans to ponder. For instance they also wondered if when the human vehicles were picked up if the Soul body would be extracted from it and the human vehicle would fall dead. There was that old expression referring to when Jesus was murdered as he “gave up the ghost (mind/spirit/soul body)” and when Jesus’ soul body filled with holy mind/spirit came into the vehicle prepared for him named Jesus most significantly it was literally seen by some as a “body lighting upon Jesus like a dove” and accompanied by a voice that said, “this is my son whom I am well pleased” that Jesus said was for the benefit of those observing it.
Now the students who returned from having been in the Jesus led classroom, spoken of as the Saints (new holy angels/reapers) who proved their loyalty to Jesus by spreading the information He brought far and wide and being eventually all killed because of the hate they encountered that Jesus said would be their fate in drinking his same “cup”, were returned with the same Souls that were The Father and Jesus before.
Jesus took his changed over physical body with him back to the spacecraft cloaked by a cloud. He had visited with the Father at some point before spending the 40 days or so with his disciples proving he was “not a spirit but was flesh and bone” still, though he looked different.
The Father could have actually been physically present, even incarnate as well, a potential consideration from the Essenes records (Do indicated Jesus may have had a physical relationship with his Older Member (Father) at some point) as the Essenes spoke of a “Teacher of Righteousness” that exited quite some time before a second teacher of Righteousness arose in their community, which may have been about The Father and Jesus. In either case the Father would have by the time Jesus awoke been on board an overseeing spacecraft to help Jesus. It was likely the Father who appeared with another in white to Jesus and three disciples on the mountain where they told him when and how to exit, which is kin to how three of Do’s students saw two small white beings in their house in Yuma, AZ in 1996 that became confirmation that most of the student body had raised their “vibrations” high enough to have that visual awake experience and was additional confirmation to Do that his plans to self stimulate exit of their containers (vehicles/bodies) was a go that the Hale Bopp comet and suspected spacecraft in it’s tail was confirmation of the timing for exit.
In any case the Father and Jesus had physical bodies on board their spacecraft and the ones who gave their lives may have been issued temporary physical bodies and some who believed after Jesus left and lost their vehicles were taken to be put on “ice” were all returned by 1970 or so. Ti would say all along to us, “get your mind in your vehicle”. We even taught a pet parakeet that, which was Ti talking to the Saints, the Minds/souls who returned who needed to get totally inside that new human vehicle (vase). Do had indicated that there were different kinds of “tags” or “deposits”. He felt like deposits were made at birth of the vehicles he and Ti took as well as the vehicles the student body were to take. Like Jesus whose soul came into his body after he had been deposited as a baby, where Jesus may have also had some engineering of his physical body’s components to be able to handle the level of mind he needed without “bursting” his wine skin thus a “virgin birth”.
So the humans who were to become the recipients of the returning Next Level souls were drawing in the Mind from those returning Souls that entered when they first met up with Ti and Do at a meeting and when they exited those human bodies, they were not dying. The physical container was being dropped like the butterfly discards the caterpillar/chrysalis the analogy Ti and Do initially taught about this metamorphosis. Thus the students didn’t die to go to the Next Level. The human vehicles died but the human vehicles were always scheduled to die eventually which is why humans are all actually dead. (The are all given a shot to reach for “life” but they have to ask/seek search for it and in so doing would be directed to where there are Older Members of if it is after the Older Member and student body have left then to connect with an “active student”.
Thus Ti and Do were correct all along in what they said to Hayden Hewes. In summation, the ones returning were their student body and they were living souls which are perfectly real and even more real than human bodies because the former don’t die unless some take a task of laying it down to provide the same graduation experience to humans and still the soul body that is the pilot of their newly assigned physical body is very much alive now permanently. But Ti and Do weren’t provided with that information in the 70’s because it wasn’t timely. The Next Level Older Members from the heavenly vantage point know well that humans rightfully will have a much greater tendency to balk at the idea of dying voluntarily. After all the Luciferians had instilled the religious and society with the idea that choosing to exit one’s physical body was a grave “original” sin. The sin would be not seeking the will of one’s heavenly Father to decide whether or not there is a task they would have us do before deciding to exit our human body on our own. This is why the Older Member needs to be trusted and works very, very hard to be sure each student is fully aware of the ramifications of exiting by their own hand while the world looks on in horror and dismay largely not believing that they will be very much alive after they exit.
Finally, these two followers of Ti and Do said, “only The Two would die”, so to what definition of “life” were they anticipating dying would be an understandable question. Actually there is no trying to hide the fact that Ti and Do believed they were fulfilling the role of the Two Witnesses and that Rev 11 said they would be “killed” and they would rise from the dead before their enemies who would witness their ascension. But the facts are that Ti and Do didn’t need that Revelations 11 prophecy to know they had come from “outer space”, the literal heaven’s and that they were here to “fulfill prophecy” and “bring updates to the bible”, all of which they recognized from their “less than six weeks” in the town of Bourne, Texas from during January and February of 1973. Additionally they didn’t get from the Revelations prophecy that the overcoming process Jesus taught was necessary for graduation/harvest (going to the Kingdom of God/Heaven) that most Christians are taught to ignore that includes a separation from our human lives to include our physical life apparent clearly throughout many Jesus quotes. Nor did they get from Revelations that the Kingdom of God/Heaven was a physical kingdom that was a potential next “evolutionary” step for humans into what they more accurately termed the “Evolutionary Level Above Human”. Nor did they get the analogy of the overcoming process to the metamorphosis of a caterpillar to a butterfly and how that was a “christing” (christening as in chrysalis), the PROCESS, (their term) needed that is the “pressing of the OIL that when burned in the LAMP creates LIGHT, the human vehicle being the vessel/container with the EYE as the LAMP part that needed to be refined to hold the OIL by restraining all human expenditures of the flames of passion, whether they be through sexuality or a drive for success and/or power and/or enlightening, all for SELF as opposed to with the Next Level for one’s Older Members (Parents(Fathers) in the literal heavens).
All this was on their minds but in their terms as they were obviously not drawing their terminology strictly from translations and interpretations of the Bible alone nor from any one recorded body of information designated the basis of a religion. No doubt all of these ideas could be traced to this or that philosophy and since Ti was an avid student of Theosophy and that included some study of the Hindu Vedas while Do was raised on Christianity and even attempted to enter seminary, why didn’t they think the students wouldn’t have to “die” to get to to the Next Level, one has to ask as in those early days when Do wrote Statement One, which was written just weeks before they arrived at Hayden’s office in July of 1974 it talked about each students “Christening”? Did they miss that Jesus instructed his disciples to give their physical lives, DRINK THE SAME CUP HE WAS DRINKING THAT IS FILLED WITH HIS BLOOD because they would be hated as he was hated and like the seed that falls to the ground and is buried and dies as a seed to sprout as a plant that stands up to become a tree that then provides an environment and “sustenance” (mind/spirit) to many new creatures because of. Did they miss where Peter said He would die for Jesus and Jesus said, he wasn’t ready to die for him yet.
Yet they told us, the students in no uncertain terms that we were not to die. If they were building their script solely on what they had studied in various books and records, wouldn’t they have incorporated this one more fact. It’s not like they were sugar coating it all. They required students by then to “leave all behind” to join them. They spelled that out as Jesus did to include that children could not come/join as they couldn’t make that decision to engage in overcoming the world. It was the leaving of children that in fact started the investigation when two would be students were arranging to leave their two young children with the biological dad who lived less than 100 miles from them and the police got involved and so they were being thought of as kidnappers as well or at least instigators of a mass brainwashing to the detriment of the public so sought after to stop.
In fact the word “kill” translated from the Greek “apokteino” to which there is very little data that describes anything about the “kteino” part, where “apo” is to separate or remove or “off” or take “away” from something, is not the usual term for “kill” as in to murder or slay or remove someone from their physical life. It’s thought of as “to kill in ANY way” which Ti and Do if they knew that translation didn’t ever lead on to knowing it. One would have thought if they knew of that translation that after the news broke in October of 1975 by Walter Cronkite saying their vehicles names and how they were “felons” though only Do was a felon as the charges against Ti were dropped weeks after they were arrested together with different charges in early 1974 in Brownsville, Texas when they were about to give their story to the press that included their saying they were rewriting much of the bible. When that news broke they were in Las Vegas, Nevada – “sin city” (the spiritual sodom as depicted in Rev 11?) and they literally felt “shot down” and thought for a couple days there was no use in going on as everyone by then would have made up their mind about them. They were both showing their being raised in the establishment of having respect for authority. They weren’t actually rebels growing up so to them once the national press showed them (or Do to be a) felon they felt their mission was dead, but that’s not the death they were expecting. They always, even years later expected to die in terms of loss of their physical body, though that diminished a great deal after they were shot down by the press in the commons of the land, the media the only way peoples from nations and kindred, etc. could all see them in their better translated “ruined bodies (reputation)” (dead) state as it says in Rev and the only way their bodies would be “dead” for 3 days without being “buried” another mistranslation as there are many in that section of Revelations. (This is all detailed in my book).
But if they had known that kill was “kill in any way” even if they had re-read that in the bible while watching the fever of media on national television about them as dangerous felon ufo cult leaders, if they were to continue leading their student body as they did wouldn’t they then tell their now 70 or so students this new understanding of the translation of apokteino which would spare their having to prove they are who they say they are by fulfilling the previous understanding of the Two Witnesses prophecy?
I remind that Ti and Do never used scripture to guide them. They used it to assist them in helping students whose vehicles were prepared by those records.
Here is Do recounting the event in 1988 when he wrote, “88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:
“Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.
They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?
Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.
At a meeting in a Manhattan, Kansas college auditorium (April 21, 1976), Ti announced that “the Harvest is closed, there will be no more meetings.” Since that time, no new students have been admitted to the class.”
(end of Do’s statement in “88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew)
I remember not caring about the Two Witnesses prophecy though I had no understanding of the Greek apokteino either until many years later when they talked about it and I learned that Ti thought the Next Level decided not to go ahead with the demonstration because the students weren’t ready for them to leave. I didn’t join on that basis, nor to take a ride on a UFO, nor because I thought they were aliens and wanted to be with aliens or out of mere new age “California” styled curiosity or wild mindedness. I simply had a core recognition of them and was compelled to be with them and that remained with me even after leaving in 1994, then reconstituting my belief and service in early 2000 til now in 2013. It was in my return to active studentship when I began dissecting prophecy and saw that all prophecy that could be attributed to the Level Above Human, all the Jesus records and the Book of Revelations but with a many, many direct links back to Moses writings of the first five books of the record as well as to a number of the Old Testament prophets that I saw that all prophecy was like a map with one starting place and one destination but lots of ways to interpret it to get to the destination.
So after the national news broke with the human identities of Ti and Do alongside Rob Balch and David Taylors infiltration into one of the groups and then the overall group at the Chicago camp at Chain of Lakes national forest and the fact that the FBI was looking for Ti and Do to question them about the rash of UFO related cattle mutilations in the Colorado and Oklahoma areas, Ti and Do split the 70 of us up into six groups and sent us in different directions. But somehow I still thought there was to be a “demonstration”. Somehow my partner and I missed that part of the new interpretation that was saying the “killing already happened”.
So when we were dispatched out of Chain of Lakes the group I was in which had one partnership assigned to be “helpers” or “overseers” of, who had some way of staying in touch with Ti and Do’s group who were made up of them with 6 students, headed south to Oklahoma, stayed a few days and eventually met with Ti and Do which is probably where they would have told us about their not walking into a demonstration but that my partner and I missed as we spoke about that idea of a demonstration thereafter as we got separated from our group and thus any Ti and Do connection. We ended up hitchhiking all over the midwest from Florida to Texas and from Colorado to Tennessee and from Wisconsin to Boston and Vermont to Brownsville, Texas, giving large and small meetings everywhere we went. We even did a meeting in Liberal, Kansas that got advertised in the newspaper in which the report indicated we, my partner “Dandy” and I were portrayed as the Two Witnesses. I recall before that meeting saying to Dandy, I think I’m going to bring it up first thing that we are not the Two in case someone wants to shoot us. I was willing to die but wasn’t looking forward to it. In fact I had trouble really believing I wouldn’t die though according to what Ti and Do had written in the three statements we weren’t going to die. So I put my sense about it aside and told others we encountered we wouldn’t be dying and of course was laughed at and scorned for saying.
With all this said, I can honestly say that after 19 years with Ti and Do they proved to me that they were willing to say and/or do anything when they could verify it was coming from their invisible, in a spacecraft Older Member which would have been Ti’s Older Member and therefore like Do’s grandfather, his Older Member’s Older Member.
Examples of how people left the cult:
Thus they told us what they were given to tell us and when it changed they told us what they were given to tell us. If in the process students fell away because of what would have looked like changing core pieces of their information or as occurred in the scheduling of a pickup twice that didn’t happen or in the case of Ti un-expectantly exiting her vehicle first (dying of cancer, that Do said was Ti burning out her vehicle because of the deluge of attacks she was up against and having to surmount to help Do get started in his task to birth the student body) and a number of other reasons why students dropped out or were arranged to leave (as the 19 were in early winter of 1976, that two, years later reconnected from) or were arranged to be in a half way situation instead of with the main body, having an easy way to not reengage, which did happen to one long time member. Or when Do said we had enough sticks (money) in the coffer to give some $1,000.00 to leave because he didn’t want anyone staying on because it had become comfortable living in a very tight nit high standard, high tech, even fun commune. Or when one class member didn’t want to work on the lesson entitled “I could be wrong” which was to be put in front of any statement, especially in decisions or in remembering something. Another classmate decided to take his side showing us an example of how, as the record says, “a third of the angels fell from heaven”. One named Lucifer chose not to serve his Older Member and some sided with him so they all lost their task and facility to circulate among other members of the Next Level in the heaven’s beyond the near to Earth sky/atmosphere. In other words the Earth and its immedieate environment that might extend into near space became their prison and to survive a recycling period they hid underground, which is what is occurring now but will be a new crop of lower forces to the old crop can be dissolved in the Lake of Fire.
When I began to unknowingly compete with Do coupled with demanding a harder task “like Do’s” of Ti, while she was then outside her human vehicle and who we were permitted by Do to communicate with to see if we were connecting and recognizing when she would respond, coupled with a weakness I had not had enough control over, my vehicles desire for sexual stimulus that up til then took the shape of allowing my eyes to linger some seconds on any view that was attractive to the vehicle whether it was looking down the shirt of a female when they might bend over or becoming fixated on one’s backside should they bend over, for example. So it just so happened the day or even hour after I did that instant request for more growth (which in and of itself was always good to desire) but taking the shape of thinking I was anywhere near able to provide service in a task like Do’s showed two things; (1) that I was still egocentric looking at Do’s task in a way that would make me look better, even to myself a symptom of what Ti had told me before she left that would keep me off the spacecraft, that I was (2) “a little too pleased with self” in that I thought I was doing pretty well in my overcoming to demand a harder task. In any case, ask and you shall receive, so I’m sure Ti opened a gate to so speak and what she knew was a stronger discarnate stepped into my space and in minutes I folded – I could not stop the sexual thoughts and feelings and was masturbating at times several times a day for months to come and I began to understand how there are worse things than death because “death” (a dead luciferian space alien) was allowed to attack me regularity and whenever he did, I folded immediately. Finally, though Do was offering me help, I seemed to have no desire to use any of the tools I’d been using successfully for 18 years to combat my previous level of sexual challenge. As I was removed from the overseer tasks I had become accustomed to performing, Do asked me one day to take an overseer task with Mllody as my checkpartner. I told him I couldn’t as I’d be a hypocrite to which he then said, “Well then what do you want to do?”, to which I said, “I guess I have to leave”, to which he said, “you want to get more objective.” And he then asked to speak to nrrody and “told her to tell others not to try to talk me out of it because he knows what he is doing”, which is what she repeated to all in the room then. The next day they bought me a plane ticket to where I wanted to go, Phoenix, AZ to temporarily stay with two x-classmates who still believed but wanted to be outside the class. And they gave me $600.00 cash to get started on.
Then there were the two times, once when Ti was still in her physical vehicle and the other after she exited, when we were all given the option to fly to visit relatives of our vehicle or anyone that we thought may still have anxiety at our absence for the last 10 years before that. That opened the door very wide for some to be tempted to leave. We each went on the plane by ourselves and had a visit over a weekend and returned. While back with my folks and siblings and relatives and some friends I had the opportunity to hook up with an old girlfriend but I wanted nothing of the sort. I was not tempted to leave at all. One student enjoyed their visits so much, he ended up wanting to leave the group so did.
Another classmate left after it became a lesson step for certain males in the group to express whether we would have any reservations against castration should Do get the okay from Ti to provide that option. No one was being proded and only the ones that had expressed an ongoing problem with sensuality were asked this, as these had asked Do for any measure to help them overcome. So it was because of our instigation that this was brought up. I was one who was present when this question was asked. One classmate did have reservations and it put him on the spot and some months later he asked to leave and was given help to fly where he wanted to go. I am still in touch with him.
There are more examples but these are the biggest ones I know about personally. No one told me about these events. I was involved with each one to a degree as I was often assigned partners that were having problems and they knew it and also knew I was reporting my observations to Do. To be in the classroom we had to desire that we were an open book, eager for help to overcome our human self ways from any direction. We were expected to ask our partners often for this help. We were never to assume if we asked once it was good indefinitely. It’s very, very easy to not want to ask this of our partners. After all they might bring up the same things we’d been working on for years and it could feel like we were not making headway on conquering it. But the task wasn’t to conquer it was to try to conquer and seek help to conquer. From that vantage point then conquering occurred. But keeping it in and thinking we can rise to perform our own fight is an illusion the influences want us to maintain so they could win.
In the early years people would leave without telling anyone. Ti and Do didn’t like that because they knew they might reveal our location and they knew and had evidence that there were investigators looking for some in the class hoping to deprogram them. On a documentary, an x-member of the class who has since turned against Ti and Do publicly expressed sarcastically and perhaps arrogantly that Do was always worried about security when in fact there had been several efforts of parents or siblings to find their “loved ones” thinking they were trapped into being in the cult. It’s completely understandable to be susceptible to that fear just like a momma bear seeks to protect their cubs. The difference though is that all the members of the group were adults who had been living on their own for years and in most cases in different states, even totally across the country and with a seeker mentality that they were not going let anyone stifle. Ti and Do were both security conscious despite what this x-classmember says with a big grin on his face as though he is above Ti and Do in perspective. Isn’t it interesting how when people left they largely became against Ti and Do as who they said they were and yet could provide no evidence that they were in the same league as the hundreds of groups that had formed as cults that ended up having families with children among them and whose dropouts complained and filed charges against the leadership for child abuse (Jim Jones) and molestation of underage girls (David Koresh) and highly questionable financial dealings, or the use of prostitutes when their rules forbid it thus a major hypocrisy to preach against, the building of a human empire the opposite of what Jesus taught (Sun Myung Moon) and the list is enormous involving sex, money and power abuses. So what does this x-classmember bring up…(all paraphrased), “they made me shave up instead of down” and “they had a procedure to be precise in measuring salt for a recipe”, or another x-member said, “they didn’t take care of my teeth the way I wanted”. They were so far distant from human thinking and acting, they couldn’t even be corrupt the way humans do. This one x-classmember also gave his opinion on this same documentary that he thought Do (Marshall or Herf) was so upset with his homosexuality, he was putting strict rules against sexuality into effect to act out his own problem. He said something to that effect. This sounds like what some psychologists have surmised, lacking any better explanation for either of Ti or Do’s thinking and actions nor the student body so they make stuff up that sounds feasible to those that don’t know any better and the reporters are satisfied so print it and people who have their own problems and who want to sound like an authority quote the report without any evidence to support their claim. This is a typical “intelligence tactic”. It’s intelligent only because it uses words and provides what some want to hear so atheist, spiritual new ager or religionists or not, they get to have an explanation other than the most obvious consideration that they might very well have been exactly who they represented themselves to be. What would be more honest is to simply say what they say about many “natural” things they discover, that they just don’t know or don’t have enough data to make a determination of their motivation, leaving it up to people to decide for themselves by just giving them the facts. But then they won’t be put on the news or asked to write books or comment in articles as an authority that boosts their image among their peers.
After all, if Do was troubled about his vehicles sexuality, why did he wait until Ti’s vehicle died to act out any pent up frustration some claim he must have been harboring. He wasn’t satisfying his sexuality during the first 12 years he was Ti’s partner. Where is the evidence in those first 12 years? And what about Ti as Ti is the one who “got Do going” that Do admitted to. He even said he resisted Ti and wondered at first whether she was interested in him (in a human way, like for dating or something like that). But he very soon learned she had no such interest in him in that way and Do quickly learned that but still gave Ti a hard time as they began to work together after leaving Houston together in 1973. But by the time Do got out of jail he knew who Ti was, his Older Member, his Heavenly Father working through the female vehicle named Bonnie Nettles. (Around 1984 Do held a meeting with the class without Ti present in which he first said that Ti was the woman depicted in Revelations chapter 12. This was the only bible lesson we ever had. They spoke about what Jesus said many times without actually quoting chapter and verse but before this never tried to explain particular translations or interpretations with the very slight exception in 1975 pertaining to their being the Revelations chapter 11 Two Witnesses, though they never covered more a couple verses of that and in no detailed analysis.
At least once a year Ti and Do gave an instruction to literally think about leaving and if there is anything we wanted to do in the world. That instruction was short lived. Maybe it lasted 30 minutes. Then they said, wipe out those thoughts. Of course if someone really did want to leave they wouldn’t be able to wipe out those thoughts.
Next Ti and Do explain how they receive humans’ “prayers” from people asking to know the truth.
Ti: “This is what I mentioned earlier…that we have been visiting a group…and this is probably one thing that will get us killed. When humans pray, they contact the source which we are from.
Do: If they pray to the highest source.
Ti: If they are praying for truth, then they contact us.”