Notes from Do’s talk on March 28, 1994 during the start of the LAST “Rapture”

Before getting into the notes, I want to offer what has been given to us that shows that there is still an open window to gain the eye of the Next Level Older Members. One could call it an extension of the LAST WAVE or Second Rapture. All waves require separation from the human kingdom and that includes making significant changes to our behavior and ways and providing service to the Next Level. What’s not written in stone is to what degree and how fast and when any one individual chooses to seek the favour of Ti and Do to become a prospective active student and that can be consciously or subconsciously as type 3 of those who can be salvaged from the spading. (The spading includes the recycling of not only vehicles and civilization structures, but also is pertaining to souls and spirits).

I remind that Do said in 1997 that the window was open to go with him. He was addressing the way to be in that FIRST WAVE by exiting one’s vehicle as they did.  That was given in a “press release” to be issued to the News Media on 3-22-97. He doesn’t spell out that it’s the FIRST or SECOND aka LAST Wave in this press release but talks about the LAST WAVE in these notes as a Second Resurrection or Second Rapture. These TWO WAVES – I’ve been calling FIRST and LAST were also spelled out by Jwnody on Do’s behalf in the document entitled, ” “Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure” that talks about the “window” to go with them that also spells out the difference between those who choose to respond to Ti and Do’s offer of future membership in the Next Level that could be described in the same way, as pertaining to these two waves but adds information about those who can be saved for further planting: “In order to get saved for further planting, the overriding requirement is to recognize that this is true (these are the facts).  You must believe that we represent the Kingdom that created this planet and all of its inhabitants.  And you must be willing to take a stand in defense of that belief, and sustain that stand until the end – your departure – regardless of the consequences.”

I only provide these vantage points from Do and Crew because there is an effort afoot that makes it seem that one must give all or nothing, when all is a progression. True, one will not graduate the human kingdom until they complete a metamorphosis that can only be completed when in the presence of someone who has been through that metamorphosis assigned to take new students through it and since there is no present Older Member Rep and won’t be until the new civilization – “catching the eye of the caretakers of this world” by engaging the metamorphic process as best as one can is in order which is not limiting anyone to how much they choose to give as Do also spelled out as Three kinds or types or groups of individuals:

First Type of individual who can avoid the spading under:

“Now, I told you a little while ago, that there are pretty
much three types of individuals that can avoid the spading under at
the end of an Age.  One would, of course, be those souls that were
deposited, and those souls were awakened, and those souls
received nourishment, and left everything behind, and became
attached to – grafted to – a Representative from the Level Above
Human, and separated from everything.  Now, I’ve got a bunch of
these individuals sitting in front of me who, I may be mistaken, but
I don’t believe that any of them had the beginning of their Next
Level life in this time period – in this generation.  I know that
every one of them were in the keeping of the Kingdom Level
Above Human before they came into this time period.  This time
period was a chance for them to learn a lot of things that they
didn’t learn very well, or didn’t get a chance to complete, or
needed to work on more, as far as separating from the human
kingdom.  They are having an opportunity to develop that more, so
that they don’t have to be planted back in a human garden in
another time – so that they can move into the Kingdom Level
Above Human, take on costumes, or suits of clothes, or bodies that
belong to that Kingdom, and serve and do their work in that
Kingdom Level Above Human.”

Second Type of individual who can avoid the spading under:

A second type is one who recognizes the Representative,
recognizes the information of the Next Level that is coming
through the Representative, knows it is true, and has not yet had
the strength to complete it.  This type still trusts the Next Level,
still believes that that is the only Truth, and whatever faith they
have and trust they have, that’s where it is.  And they will be kept
in the keeping of the Kingdom Level Above Human, and
replanted at another time, and given another chance.

Third Type of individual who can avoid the spading under:

Okay, back to the three types:  One, those ready for
quartermaster; two, those not quite ready, and the third type:  those
who recognize the information of the Next Level and are
attempting, even without knowing of the Representative’s presence,
to break away in their own way.  Now, when they attempt to break
away in their own way, not even aware that I’m here or that my
Older Member has been here at this particular time, they somehow
or another find themselves drawn to others who are breaking away.
They are also finding themselves surrounded with an opposite type
of people who say, “What’s wrong with you guys?  Are you crazy?
You’re leaving your career?  You’re not paying attention to your
children?”  This is happening a lot.  Many people are going into
what the mainstream likes to call “cults” –  they are breaking
away.  People who love their God so, in their own way, that they
end up like what happened with Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge,
what happened at Waco, what happens in nations that, even in
their government, want to honor God – listen to God – entirely,
instead of taking man’s laws, man’s requirements, man’s rules.
They are breaking away.  They are conscious that there is some
presence of God here and are saying, “I want to go in that
direction.  I’ll even put my life on the line in order to get closer to
God at this time.”

I am not qualified to specifically tell you who all these
various types are.  But I’ve given you some illustrations.  It’s like
even in patriot movements, or in militia movements, or in “cults,”
or in this type of religious radical or another who know that this
world is rotten, they are saying, “I would rather die in service to
my interpretation of what God is than stay here.”  Those young
souls, those young spirits, those minds will be saved.  They will be
set aside – “put on ice,” so to speak – and have a future, have
another planting in the next civilization for further nourishment.

What does this add up to?  This adds up to that the ones
who love this world and love the human kingdom, say to me and
all those like me (or all those I just discussed – all those various
categories) that, “They’re nuts, they’re crazy.  They’re radicals.
They’re against the world.  They are not human – they’re
inhumane.  They’re tyrannical or their terrorists.”  Now, don’t
misunderstand me.  I’m not advocating violence.  I’m not
advocating going out and trying to create some war.  The war that
is a natural phenomenon that comes with the End of an Age, is
forced upon those who want to leave this place.  It’s not anything
that we have to do or we have to create.  And some, aware that that
will happen – even some who want to get to the Kingdom Level
Above Human – mistakenly feel responsible for creating those
wars.  They don’t have all the pieces right.  But if they are doing it
for the right reasons, not me, but my Father and my Father’s
Father, and the Kingdom Level Above Human says, “They love
me more than they love the world.  And they love me more than
they love the world during the time that I have a Representative
present.  And I will honor that.  I will extract them.  I will put them
aside.  I will give them a planting at another time.”

So with that all said to put everything in it’s context as some like to zero in on only one thing Do said and think that everything else is not applicable. If that were so, Do would have never published all these documents or made these video’s with different vantage points. We have to remember that this is all a Next Level strategy and the Luciferians will twist what is said to their advantage at every turn to get individuals to do anything but strive towards genuine Next Level membership by looking to our Older Members, whether they are incarnate anymore or not. The program continues until the garden is spaded or until each of us loses our human vehicle and then our spirit or soul is judged as salvageable or not.

So here are the notes:

Classroom Notes March 28,1994

SOME NOTES TAKEN FROM DO’S DISCUSSION WITH STUDENTS

Jesus was not a religious man or spiritual person according to present-day interpretation.

He was a man of the future – from the future, ahead of this civilization’s time – from an actual physical Evolutionary Kingdom Above the human kingdom, in the same way that humans are supposedly an evolutionary kingdom level above Earth’s animal kingdom.

The Kingdom Level He was a part of has its identity with the spirit or soul, whereas the human kingdom identifies with the body.

Members of the Kingdom that He came from treat their physical bodies as “suits of clothes” and thereby can leave their “Next Level” bodies behind and even incarnate in a human body as He did.

The mind, or spirit, that was in Jesus did not incarnate in the infant, but rather it incarnated when the body He took was 29-30 years old, at the time of the event recorded as the “Holy Spirit” descending upon Him as a dove (at the river Jordan with John the Baptist).

Compared to a human spirit, His Spirit, having come from that Next Kingdom Level, was a Holy Spirit, one to be revered by humans – seen as Divine – and rightfully so.

The body that was picked for Him had been monitored and prepped since infancy by Members of that Kingdom Level Above Human in anticipation of the day He would incarnate into it.

In the same way, in this generation, two bodies were picked and prepped for the two members that would incarnate into them, a Younger Member and an Older Member – a Son and his Father.

This time those two Spirits came from that Next Kingdom Level in the early 1970’s, and incarnated in their picked or chosen bodies, which were in their 40’s.

Then, in 1975, they put out a “call” for the spirits who came with them for this task, and these two Teachers assisted those prospective members of that Next Kingdom Level in incarnating into (taking over) the bodies that had been set aside for them.

These two Teachers then took them out, or “lifted them out,” with the bodies they would take charge of and assisted them in the tedious and difficult process of becoming totally new creatures, filling those bodies with the mind, the thoughts, the behavior, the “spirit” from the Kingdom Level Above Human.

These students of the Kingdom of Heaven and prospective new members, have changed sufficiently in becoming new creatures of that new Kingdom to now be given the task of going out and finding the second and last wave of souls or spirits who have been brought back into the human kingdom to receive – incarnate into – the bodies that have been picked and prepped for them.

As they connect with the first wave of new creatures, they too will be taken out of the world and through the incarnating process of taking over a body, aborting its human mind and programming, and filling it with the mind of their Father, His Father, and that Kingdom Level Above Human.

This is what some Bible students refer to as the second resurrection or the second rapture.

These minds, these souls who successfully bond to their new Father and his Kingdom – their new Kingdom – will literally leave the human kingdom and enter membership into the physical Kingdom from whence the mind, the soul that was in Jesus, and the minds, the souls that are in these Teachers, came.

As Jesus came and left in a cloud of light, so also these Teachers, along with their prospective students from both waves, came and will leave in the same manner (a spacecraft, “UFO” belonging to the Kingdom of “God”).

They will not need to be a part of the human kingdom again.

Those who have successfully overcome human-mammalian behavior and thinking (under the tutorship of their Teachers – their new Fathers – from that Kingdom) and have replaced it with the behavior and thinking of that next Kingdom Level will now enter that next Kingdom and be beginners in service, for the first time, to the true Kingdom of Heaven – the only real Kingdom of God.

All souls retain, at all evolutionary levels, the free will to accept tutorship, remain loyal to their parentage in that Kingdom Level, or separate, feeling they no longer need to remain a child, a servant – even in the Kingdom of Heaven.

The spirit or soul referred to as Satan or Lucifer was once a child, a son, a student of the real Kingdom of Heaven.

He exercised his free will to go his separate way and attempt to create his own heaven.

He even took what was estimated as a third of the creatures who were young children in that Kingdom with him, for they were still susceptible to his leadership.

Those individuals now circulate in the Heavens, and we refer to them as various Luciferian space-races (who also travel in their more primitive spacecrafts – UFOs).

Having lost their standing in the true Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom of their Creator, they had no choice but to return to human-like behavior and mammalian limitations.

They manipulate the humans as their slaves and do all within their power to prohibit the humans from ever knowing the truth about their ex-Father’s Kingdom.

They bind the human souls and minds to this world through a preoccupation with sexuality (indulgence in all the pleasures/addictions of the human senses), reproductivity (family), service to the human kingdom, within a structure of indebtedness (credit, borrowing, etc.) and responsibility to their family, community, race, nation, and distorted religious concepts, and all other aspects of the human kingdom.

Many Bible students, some Christian denominations, and to a greater extent the so-called “charismatics” or “spirit- filled” say they are waiting for the “Second Coming.” That same mind, that same information of the Kingdom of Heaven, has come again for the second time in this civilization.

That mind, the One that spoke through the body named Jesus, told His followers that He would come again, though He also told them not to believe them if people would say that Jesus (the name of His human body 2000 years ago) was on this mountain or in this desert.

What the Christians say they are looking for: the Second Coming, the Second Resurrection (the opportunity that is before you now), the Second Rapture (the first having happened in ’75 for the first wave), which will take those of the second resurrection out of this world, are all here.

“Resurrection from the dead” is used in the context of all are “dead” until receiving the mind or spirit (life) from the Kingdom of Heaven.

Unfortunately, the Luciferians, who have taken over the religions, would have you expect heaven on Earth as devoted human families.

You can’t be a good little family Christian and die and go to Heaven.

You can only become a new creature, a heavenly creature, while a member of the Kingdom of Heaven is incarnate in the human kingdom to take you through that birthing.

That birthing requires that you become dead to all humanness and have only the consciousness of a child in that new Kingdom Level – totally under the care and keeping of your new Father, your new family, who will take you into that Kingdom.

These children of the first resurrection are now holding meetings, seeking those who have received a “gift” of the possibility of receiving this nurturing and birthing into that next Kingdom.

This is obviously by human judgment the “Cult of Cults,” but for the chosen, it’s the only way into their “Heavenly Father’s House.” You choose.

According to your judgment shall you be judged.

Section 6 – Page 12

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15 Responses to “Notes from Do’s talk on March 28, 1994 during the start of the LAST “Rapture””

  1. crlody Says:

    Why can’t these words of Ti and Do stand on Their own without any explanations from you?

    • Eric Says:

      Personally crlody I don’t see the harm – I watched ‘Beyond Human’ on youtube – something they seem to have been made for. I find Sawyer’s memories an interesting continuation- I don’t think he is trying to give the impression that he is an incarnate prophet – only a human who spent significant time with the Representatives.

      To clarify that and elaborate on my earlier comment about ‘being wrong about anything and everything’ – Sawyer your personal experience with Ti & Do cannot be ‘incorrect’ because it happened – but everything since their departure has a degree of personal interpretation – y’know? This vehicle never could have met them and my mind’s relation to the Next Level isn’t for me to know with any certainty – but I make my effort to look to Them.

      As for some ideas of yours, Sawyer – are you familiar with the idea that the Greeks had some color blindness? I find it funny that in audio tape 199/200 Do talks about how TELAH might engineer that ‘deficit’ in some humans.

      • empty vessicle Says:

        Do said on tape: the only way to avoid the spading was to leave with him. Watch the tape. There was no ambiguity.

        Sawyer, do you think you’ll see Do and Ti when you die?

      • sawyer Says:

        I don’t know, but I have reason to think yes is the answer unless of course I were to turn against Ti and Do – even still my soul may still see them. I say this because Ti said several times, if I recall correctly that “all who came with them would return”. Ti and Do also said that those that failed would be “embarrassed” during the time of a gathering of many, many Next Level Members because of how some let certain behaviors and ways stand in the way of sticking it out with Do.

        But then again, perhaps they might just toss my soul in to a “bucket” (saved on ice – not literally speaking) to bring back for another try after the spading. According to prophecy in Rev 6 re: the fifth seal opening, some are told to wait, to be awarded with a “white robe ((equipment, made a king, would receive a new physical vehicle))”*

        *robes= 4749 stole {stol-ay’}
        from 4724; TDNT – 7:687,1088; n f
        AV – robe 5, long clothing 1, long garment 1, them + 848 1, long robe 1; 9
        1) an equipment 2) an equipment in clothes, clothing 2a) spec. a loose outer garment for men extending to the feet, worn by kings, priests, and persons of rank

        Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
        Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
        Rev 6:11 And white robes* were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

        re: white robe – Ti and Do said that to the Next Level, a vehicle was equivilent to clothing they “wrap around” one’s Soul body and that it is a kings garment because these become “kings” – have a crown for their service though I doubt it would be an adult Next Level Vehicle but would be a student level vehicle and service in the Next Level in what Do called “elementary service” like a “domestic”, which I wondered if that added up to receiving a vehicle like the Luciferians once were given that still had the capacity to “reverse metamorphosis” the way Do said, in the Blackhawk tapes that Adam’s did.

        I presume those are souls that lost their lives in service to Do before then during the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th seals and before then, and from the start of the civilzation. Under the Altar is where Jehovah instructed Moses to pour the blood from the animal sacrifice, in this case the animal sacrifice is those who give their human vehicles lives in service to the Next Level (for the word of God) and/or/also while delivering their testimony, what they believed about what the previous Older Member’s said but to date in what Ti and Do said. To talk about Jesus without showing that he’s been back again in the vehicle named Do, would be like ignoring Do, just the way many of the jewish leaders ignored how Jesus was the return of Moses, the messiah Moses said would come from among his students then.

        I believe every seal’s opening represents an “affirmation period” though every seal doesn’t describe believers Standing for Ti and Do and losing their vehicles lives because of. The third seal, during the Obama Black/Jacinth “horse” (vehicle) indicated that the “oil and wine” won’t be hurt, I believe having several meanings re: an aspect of the economy in the U.S. for the finer commodities and pertaining to Souls who were given service to Ti and Do’s information as oil and as wine those souls who were not yet ready to begin their changeover until now.

        These I think are the first two Types, groups, kinds of individuals who could go with Do to avoid the spading – the oil and the wine.

        The fourth seal that brings “death” seems it could include what these two groups could encounter during the 4th seal when Rev 13 says the:

        Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
        Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
        Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

        This is the BEAST – the Secret Mystery Babylon, the USA (america) is ridden by – the woman – lady columbia/liberty NYC of Rev 17) . Is it any wonder all three of the biggest candidates for president were from or setting their claim on NYC as their base of operations – Clintons, Trump and Bernie Sanders from brooklyn though from the “green state” of vermont, another part of prophecy fulfillment of the “green horse”.

        It’s not clear if “overcome” means some lose their vehicles during this time. There is one clue I’m aware of that says this overcoming of the saints takes place during the period of time listed as “continuing for forty and two months”, but that could be “forty” as in years and 1 hour Next Level time and two affirmation periods and/or can be a literal 42 months.

        That 42 months then relates to:

        Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

        …where the “court” represents what Do called the “second or LAST WAVE” that it appears to me was started by Do in the 1990’s with a focus on 1994 when the class Elders and Four Living Beings and others went out to share now Do was the return of the same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus. The Gentiles, I think would be the BEAST, those who didn’t receive a soul deposit for a chance to overcome the human world.

        The Holy City would be the Next Levels spacecraft described as the New Jerusalem that seems overshadows in some way the area from the Mississippi River west to the Pascific ocean. Under “foot” means those are using their human vehicles they, their souls take to perform their service to Ti and Do by standing for them and accepting the consequences for doing so.

    • sawyer Says:

      Well, perhaps it’s because the context of Do’s giving these words assumed alot as the listeners were students that had been with Ti and Do from the beginning and some that had just joined but who had I believe at least listened to some or all of the Beyond Human tapes since Do had us share those tapes with new students during the 1994 meeting schedule. People that are reading this now may or may not have all that background so I’m simply trying to show the consistancy between the various sources and how they seem to be Do’s intention to be applied to this time period. If I said anything that was inaccurate or misleading that you see I would love to have it pointed out so I can correct it as the last thing I want to do is create something that is a distortion of what They taught.

      I believe it’s to be assumed that the Luciferians are working on finding any reason whatsoever to turn people’s eyes away from the Next Level. What I say may be completely unnessary but it also may be useful to Ti and Do’s crew to help some coming up who could be having a hard time overriding their vehicles doubts. This is very much what the students who wrote papers were doing. If it wasn’t part of Do’s mind to do so, they wouldn’t have done that but nor was it required to do for those that didn’t feel to do so.

      • empty vessicle Says:

        why would the luciferians care about plants without implants in them. presumably all the implants recognized do and ti and left with them.

      • sawyer Says:

        Just to get terminology in line with the way Ti and Do taught, the Next Level make “deposits” of “souls” into humans to enable those that awaken when they hear the Older Member’s message spoken/written to grow toward a graduation at some future date. That deposit can be a first time deposit – that start of a new Soul and a deposit for a returning Soul and another type for and Older Member. Other related terms Do used were, “chip”, “tag” and called a Soul a “pocket” or “pillow case” so has a number of forms depending on the growth of the Spirit/Mind and Soul that will be seeking to use that vehicle to further them towards a graduation.

        It appears the Luciferian space aliens (fallen angel) human equivilents (Souls at some stage of growth towards graduation but chose to drop out and go against the Next Level), with their hybridized phyiscal vehicles try their hand at a facsimili of what the Next Level does by tagging humans they seek to use the DNA from and/or use as their ambassadors (contactees, channelers, religious leaders, heads of state) and there have been reports among abductees of having “implants” of metal objects under their skin in various places on the body. These appear to be repeatedly abducted.

        Now just because a human vehicle, usually sometime soon after birth, receives a “deposit” doesn’t guarantee they will wake up and grow to complete the “Overcoming of humanness process” or complete it at the same time as others who received such deposits. This is why Do spoke about there being three types of people who would be “saved” from the recycling. Those that left with Do in 1997 were among the first type and some would be provided Next Level adult vehicles and significant service. Some of those Do felt would still have to return to finish their overcoming, (though I suspect they too receive a Next Level grown vehicle, but I wouldn’t call it an adult vehicle. I have come to this idea from a number of things Do said and from the book of revelations). These of this second group would also have service but it would be more of an elementary service – not the same level of responsability. Do didn’t close the “window of opportunity” to catch the eye of a present representative and it would appear though the Older Members are not present in their physical vehicles any longer, they do still maintain a presence for as long as their accurate information is available. Thus both these groups of people even today after their physical exit can still go with them by way of any of the examples Do provided in “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth before it’s Recycled” and also shown in, ‘”Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure’.

        The third type are those that never heard about Ti and Do but seperated from the world in their own way. They too are salvaged.

        So just because a human vehicle receives a deposit doesn’t guarantee they will grow to become members of the Next Level.

        This also means that there are human plants who have received deposits right now on Earth and according to the records could be as many as 144,000 of them, though I have thought of that number as 4 and 40 and a 100 and for the ones who never heard of Ti and Do, possibly “a myriad of thousands” as Ti and Do always said it’s not a given how many would make it to full term to graduate the human condition.

        Do spoke about how “armageddon” was that “war for souls” and that war has certainly not ended. If it had then the recycling would be done and there would be no signs of the Next Level’s operations any longer which is hardly the case.

        There is an effort afoot to make it appear there is nothing left to do – no chance to “go with them” or that the only way to “go with them” is to go to the southwest and lay down one’s vehicle which is not the only option Do provided to go with him as “go with him” has degrees. For instance for some they will be working face to face on He and Ti’s crew, while for others they may not see them as often and for others will be “put on ice” so may not see them at all. (If anything I have said seems different from all of what Ti and Do have left us, then I want to know about it so I can clarify where I got what I said or change what I said to be more accurate to what they said).

      • Eric Says:

        That is a presumption, vessicle. I could be wrong but it seems like Earth as a garden undergoing recycling is left ‘fallow’ – where the human condition can ‘take care of itself’ without intervention. This vehicle has recognized the updates and I have considered that Do’s sense of urgency may have been connected to September 11th – the Away Team had to leave before that ‘jihad’ began. There are many interesting things to be said about the new millennium being dominated by a perversion of the Truth.

        If you look at more of what Ti & Do said you’ll find that there is a gradient or percentages for each individual and evaluations are likely ongoing – even if this Age has become unsuitable for further ‘realization’ of TELAH.

      • sawyer Says:

        For whatever it may be worth to you, I would be cautious to putting your own spin on things, something that I am quite aware of how easy WE can slip into that can become a dilution or distortion of the truth. I’m not saying that to discourage you or as any form of competition at all as I have nothing to gain from doing so and I don’t say that without evidence as sometimes is leveraged against me, because I have done a great deal of trying to put the various pieces together with current events, etc. But I think it’s important to link them to some things either Ti or Do or Crew said or at the least to what Jesus said and to those Jesus referred to, as Ti and Do also referred to – saying the red letters of what Jesus said were a reliable record (though that can only be heard said somewhere in the meeting tapes I believe, but haven’t transcribed them, so can’t point to a specific one. However Do and student graduates have listed Jesus sayings, Revelations records and Old Testament records in some of their writings.) Specifically referring to “jihad” is not to be found in any of the records.

        If you want to help with people’s questions which I don’t discourage you from doing, I suggest if you haven’t done so already to have a way to do text searches of all of the written material provided or that was transcribed. For instance though Jihad was not found in my text searches, Islam and Muslim were:

        In ‘Evolutionary “Rights” for “Victims”‘ By Stmody – from the purple book:

        “It is interesting to us that today it appears that the Muslim and
        Buddhist cultures, for example, sometimes demonstrate more Next
        Level characteristics, such as modesty, restraint, and a greater
        attempt at renunciation of the addictions and ways of this world.
        Buddha may also have been a Rep, perhaps performing a different
        “experiment” for the Next Level. (Any message of renunciation of
        this world would seem to have originated with the Next Level,
        because why would Lucifer work against himself?) As far as we can
        tell, by demonstrating his hatred and denial of this world, Buddha
        updated Hinduism (which had been corrupted) in much the same way
        that Jesus updated the corrupted Jewish religion. But Buddha’s
        message has now also been distorted to the point where it is mainly
        ritual and myth that keeps people sidetracked, hooked on the “drug”
        of spirituality.”

        or in:

        “Up the Chain” By Brnody

        “It doesn’t matter if you have identified with the Buddhist,
        Jewish, Hindu, Islamic, Christian, or any other religion – all
        religions have been spawned from the misinformation (distorted or
        corrupted truths) propagated by space-alien races (“Luciferians”) who,
        knowingly or unknowingly, look to Lucifer as their god and victimize
        the humans on this planet. As long as you ask for things that are not
        of this world, if you are sincerely seeking the Truth and directing
        your asking to the Creator of all that is, your prayers will be
        answered by the Next Level. However, if you desire the things this
        world has to offer, your “prayers” will be answered by the space
        aliens, as they believe this is their task.”

        and in:

        “Religions Are Humans’ #1 Killers of Souls” By Jwnody

        Another irony is that these religions have in reality become
        their own dreaded anti-Christ. Although it’s true that those who love
        their form of humanity could justifiably call us anti-Christians, that
        is, anti what the aliens have influenced the Christians to become. We
        certainly don’t single out Christianity, however, as the sole
        purveyors of alien misinformation. All organized religion, including
        that of the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists, etc., but most
        particularly the charismatic Christian movement, are used to promote
        the various practices that advancing souls should be weaning
        themselves of, primarily reproductive mammalian behavior and
        consciousness. And as a reward for their efforts, they are “blessed”
        with worldly riches and/or prominence, for the most part in direct
        measure to their service by their counterfeit “gods.”

        In: Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled, By Do

        Every religion is less than the “Truth.” It becomes a
        religion when it is less than the Truth. Now, every religion can
        prepare an individual to be more prepared for the time when a
        Representative from the Level Above Human comes in. So it’s not
        like the Level Above Human is available only to whites, or blacks,
        or Jews, or Christians, or Muslims, or whatever the case might be.
        It’s open to anyone who, when a Representative is present,
        chooses to leave all behind, follow that Representative, and
        “graft” to that Representative; and that graft grows as they take
        in more mind.

        from: ‘Planet About To Be Recycled – Your Only Chance To Survive
        – Leave With Us’, By Do

        It’s funny – not funny – it’s really sad that a segment of
        my Father’s Kingdom, in particular my personal Heavenly Father,
        related to a community that is today considered the early Jewish
        community, and worked with them preparing them for my
        presence here 2000 years ago and now. And yet, the Jewish
        community of then and now, would certainly see me as anything
        but a Representative of God. The Muslims, who are considered by
        some to be the enemy of the Judeo-Christians, many of them have
        sustained a more real connection with God – with some higher
        standards of behavior, and with more restraint. You know, one of
        my students reminded me just today that they came in contact with
        a Muslim who said, “Look, you know you people of the West have
        a wrong idea of what we are. We don’t praise Mohammed. We
        don’t worship Mohammed. We consider Mohammed a prophet of
        many prophets. Many of the books of our literature are about
        Jesus. And I say, `Great is God’ more than 50 times a day,
        because God means so much to me.” God means so much to many
        of them that they are more modest in the clothing that they wear.
        Many are more on guard against sensuality and “worldly” things.
        God means so much to many of them that they are willing to die
        for God and justify that frame of mind more quickly than they
        would a willingness to die for nation, or die for world. I’m not
        saying that Muslims are the ones who are going to inherit God’s
        Kingdom any more than anyone else. In the eyes of the Kingdom
        of Heaven, there’s no such thing as race or color or religious
        background. It doesn’t matter – none of it matters. If the extent of
        your religious background was Star Trek – that in itself could be
        the best background you could have, if you could accept this as
        Truth, if you could accept this as reality.

        A number who have begun to investigate Ti and Do’s teachings somehow avoid thinking of some Christians as, “their own dreaded antichrist” as it’s become popular to lump together all of the Muslim or Islamic faith/religion as the enemy of Christians and Christian nations as if those Christian nations taught anything about the real Jesus any longer to even maintain having “christ” as the description of their “faith”.

        In history the idea of Jihad hardly started with the 9/11 attacks, but perhaps what you are referring to as having been put off until Ti and Do and Crew exited their incarnations was that “war” coming in large part to the USA, but not at all limited to militants related to islam, which seems about as much about Islam as the US military machine is about Christian, is in the way Ti and Do said, as I recall that such conflicts on USA soil was “held back” from manifesting so the graduation classroom could proceed with less incumberance – less threat of being disrupted. I agree that they had a time frame in which to operate so in that sense “had to leave” to allow the tribulation time to begin, as they didn’t need to experience.

      • Eric Says:

        Thanks Sawyer, I do try and ‘plagarize’ as much as possible and not make my own interpretation. While the Class never used the word ‘jihad’ – I think that word has an interesting history that fits in with events both before and since their time on Earth. The term is a controversial ‘pillar’ in Islam – because it has become associated with conquest, conversion, and dominion – perhaps that is a corruption of personal overcoming instructions? Do talked about overcoming discarnates in terms of conflict/struggle.

        The definition of that term had been fought over for many decades in Islamic circles – and since the new millennium it has been a front and center issue – with many humans seeing things in terms of conquest, conversion, and dominion.

        In the ‘Beyond Human’ series Do mentions having a sense that something could happen in the coming months or year (while admitting he could be mistaken) – did he have anything to say about the 1993 WTC attack?

      • sawyer Says:

        I don’t recall Do saying anything about that attack in 1993. I remember knowing about it as we did watch the news but it wasn’t required and at that time especially many of us were writing documents like seen in the Purple Book and doing other things relative to bringing the info public again. He certainly could have said something to someone that he wouldn’t necessarily feel needed to be shared with the entire class though anything substansive Do was careful to remind him about for the next meeting. I suppose you could ask the webmasters as they have the tapes from then, in case I somehow missed it entirely.

        I never heard that definition of Jihad which makes a lot more sense from what it’s been made into – a call for physical war against the modern western christian crusaders as G.W. Bush referred to the administrations action from the 2001 WTC attacks.

        But the last thing I want to do on this blog is give anyone an impression I can’t back with direct things I’ve read or heard from Do and Crew or related to what Jesus and/or related Old Testament prophets said, though that does become a problem due to the way terms in the greek/hebrew/aramaic were translated to English. A case in point is how Do at times did use the phrase “Kingdom of God” or “kingdom of Heaven” without showing the options in translation of “God” or “Heaven” that I know he knew a clearer translation of. In the 1990’s we had a Strongs Concordance and a number of Bible versions that included the Amplified version that included a better rounded translation for many words and he had some of us look into different translations at times. I believe he just didn’t want to complicate things as even the words provided in translations still got the point across to anyone who was paying attention. As you probably know the term “god” came from Greek Theos, which is defined as one or more deities. And Heaven is from Greek “ouranos” – through the idea of elevated areas, the vaulted expanse of the sky, the universe, the region of the sidereal heavens and also where God dwells.

        The most I believe he would say at times was that it was the “Kingdom in the literal Heavens” as an added clarity.

        As you know, today Jihad is such an inflamitory term few even consider the origin of, just like they don’t often care about the origin of “Christ” or even antichrist or what overcoming really means, etc.

        Even though I’m not paranoid about this, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that words is one that some of the intelligence agency computers are programmed to flag, maybe in combo with other or by mulitple usages. I think it is inevitable that I and others will be flagged to at least be eliminated from the internet if some get any sense that I’m recruting or promoting suicide or anti govt behaviors – We can’t assume anything so we try to lay as low as possible for as long as possible. I know it seems unlikley but there have been plots to kind of set us up for a fall – the Gayson story is one fairly elaborate one. The MKULTRA story is yet another and others. I do expect to see Ti and Do brought more public again.

        I know this isn’t necessarily related to your use of Jihad and I’m not afraid of that usage. It’s just the way Ti and Do taught to think out what we say and Do and if we are actually talking to others who may be awakening more use of Ti and Do’s keywords will be the best choices to include in our dialog as that’s what would have been used to prep a human vehicle for a returning Souls takeover of a vehicle to move another step closer to their own potential graduation when with a present Older Member.

        I’m sorry if I seem to be beating this to death. It’s been interesing on this blog that if you search on muslim or islam or jihad perhaps you will find a blog entry or two and comments from two individuals who have some degree of belief in Ti and Do that seemed rather sure that Islam was the main opposition to those who are the true christians. Perhaps I’m misrepresenting what they said to me in comments. For one of those two, it seemed to be among a few points that rendered him to be against me, even personally, with crude language, etc. and empty accusations, because I didn’t go along with that and pointed out how Christians are in that place moreso as they were the descendants who received the most prep by the Next Level and also drew to them the biggest Luciferian attacks, which is the reason many are so seemingly unable to consider that many evidences of Ti and Do being the fulfillment of the Two Witnesses and Second Coming. Those ideas came from Do, not me.

        For whatever it might be worth, this kind of back and forth if in the classroom between partners is what would happen to some degree surrounding our following procedures (as we didn’t debate scripture). It was our task that each partner was supposed to frequently ask their partner to help them with anything they see where they might be breaking procedure and for some partnerships it was happening so often, some felt like they were underwater as if they did nothing right and sometimes partners were too picky too or self assured they had the best interpretation. Partnerships would change at times if somneone was finding it too hard to pay attention to what their partner said or the opposite was true too, to where in some partnerships one partner might never say anything to another, wanting to keep the peace instead.

        On this score there is no procedure to not use a certain term, though if in doubt whether we think Do would use it, don’t is safe. That sort of thing can also be a question. Detailed questions are good though of course such can be abused and one never knowns whether they will get an answer but on some questions one can get an answer immedieatly as a feeling of yes or no – not words in our head.

  2. empty vessicle Says:

    what will happen to a plain old plant when they die? This is most likely my case — I’m curious to know what the next level says will happen to me.

    what will happen to a plant with an implant when the plant dies? what about the implant when its plant dies?

    • sawyer Says:

      I don’t know what happens to a soul deposit that has never “sprouted”. A human plant without a deposit still has a “spirit” that separates from death of the vehicle. But in both cases I don’t know we knew for sure what would happen to them, the Soul deposit or the Human spirit. Ti and Do at one point spoke about there being “boxes” that either souls or spirits were sorted into (like grades in school). I don’t know why you consider yourself a “plant” without a deposit, though I don’t think it really matters what we think of ourselves as it’s what we do with what we have that is judged by the Next Level not what we think of ourselves as, that is unless we insist on going against the Next Level and then we get what we wanted in that regard. I would guess that you wouldn’t even be interested in this material if you didn’t have a soul deposit. I suggest you read the document Investments by Anlody for some insight into that and/or the one entitled, “incarnating and discarnating” both found on this blog. I understand that we can think we cannot give more of our selves but that’s a choice. If the most we can do is ask for help to grow closer, that may be the best we can do and the Next Level will help in ways they know you can handle. I was afraid to even think about giving my all when I first started to get their help to re-awaken more, which is still in progress but they helped me take steps in that direction and I trusted them in that regard and then saw some step’s coming where I still had a choice on how to respond but resulted in further separation from my human roots. They are not completly severed yet, but I am willing for them to be and yet they don’t seem to be interfering significantly with what I need to learn, at least at this stage but then I can’t be overconfident about that either. The main thing is to be willing to trust the Next Level Older Members. Maybe I’m not a good example but it’s about taking a chance on a positive to seek Their help with our own progress.

  3. Lee Says:

    I’ve noticed in a lot of blog replies regarding heavens gate there is conflict between ex-members. It’s pretty aggressive conflict. Did these types of conflicts take place within heavens gate while they were here? I believe I saw an interview where an ex member did say there was drama within the house, but until I began reading replies on old and new members, I didn’t believe it.

    • sawyer Says:

      There certainly was conflict between classmates. In fact this was part of the “classroom” as Ti and Do said from the beginning that our partnership assignments were to be as a “mirror” of the many human characteristics we each needed to overcome. Partnerships weren’t working if they sought to “keep the peace”. In other word, though we were to be kind and considerate and peaceful minded with no yelling or harsh or condescending words, judgements or false accusations and always having restraint, if we were so restrained that we didn’t bring things up to our partners, things that we saw that differed from what Ti and Do taught in behavior and ways, then we weren’t doing our task. Ti and Do instructed us to frequently ask our partner to point out ot us anything they see that is a breakage of “procedure”. Now there were often grey areas to procedures. For instance we had a procedure to measure spices a certain way to have a consistant “experiment” (meal), used as a tool for when we might be working in a Next Level lab, as they are real not spirits floating about. So procedures served muliple purposes. They taught us to follow instructions and they taught us to be precise and thorough and thoughtful and to have follow thru and to perform quickly but not carelessly, etc. But they also became avenues for disaggreement among partners or crews who were of the same mind. So there were extremes one could take a procedure. For instance, this might be one, though I don’t recall it coming up. For instance when measuring a dry ingredient we were to hold the straight bladed knife at a 45 degree angle so the dry ingredient would be sort of pushed into the teaspoon instead of pulling too much out of the spoon. But let’s say for one spice to accomplish the intention, when we followed the procedure too much of the spice still fell out of the spoon. Then the procedure would be to “state the problem” and not give a solution but we were also taught to check with the Lab overseers who would check with Ti and Do when they could if they didn’t already have a procedure to cover it. So at times due to changing circumstances doing something other than the letter of the “procedure” might have been warrented, though certainly not something that didn’t have to be changed.

      So if we had a problem following procedure and there was no one to check with, the thinking was to “take a chance on a positive” and then check at first opportunity. But that could come between partners. Some stood too firm while others stood too little. Of course there were some procedures that were not changable. For instance there was never a time when it would have been right to act sexually or talk in sexual ways or terms. We even had a procedure to not use the word “sex” because of how it could trigger someone’s programming.

      Each student had their own things to overcome being attached to. Another better example was the lesson step that was called, “I could be wrong”. The procedure Ti and Do gave was to preface what we would say that was otherwise a statement of fact with the words, “I could be wrong”. So let’s say someone was planning for the execution of a task, lets say to take a car, sometimes referred to as a “horse” to the “horsepistol” – Ti and Do were silly at times but I heard it more from Do. So let’s say it was to get an oil change but while there the mechanic said it needed brakes. So let’s say one of the partners had more experience doing this kind of task and thought Ti and Do would have approved of a brake job but didn’t have access to a phone and Ti and Do may have been out of town as they were at times for days or even weeks occasionally and the other partner wasn’t sure if it was within procedure to do. Then the one with the experience might say they remembered a similar circumstance where it was right to correct the other problem. Instead of saying it that way as a certainty, they were supposed to say, “I could be wrong, but under these circumstances I think Ti and Do would have us get the brake job”. This kind of thing came up quite a bit and if a partner stated a fact without the preface, the other partner would be abliged to bring it up to them, even saying it like, “I could be wrong but it’s procedure to say I could be wrong ahead of stating a fact”. Some had no problem mimicing the exact words given, while some couldn’t stand to feel like they were being forced to state something they saw as a fact as if it wasn’t.

      Two members of the class were actually instructed to leave the classroom because they didn’t want to abide by that lesson step. Ti and Do eventually explanded what we could say in place of “I could be wrong” and they also eventually said that there were extremes to using that phrase. I could be mistaken but believe I recall the example being given, having to do with someone being asked if it was raining and they were standing right by the window. They looked outside and they certainly could have said, “I could be wrong but believe it’s raining” or they could have just said, “It’s raining”. Someone with a rebellious Influence or a self confident influence would have a particularily hard time with that preface so that little lesson step became quite the stimulus of contention between some partners. I think it safe to say my classmates were not the naive sheep they are often made out to be.

      Oh, the orignial example of the I could be wrong lesson had to do with these tents we had that were a greenish color. So Ti and Do said we needed to become of one mind with them to the degree that if they said those leasure port tents were polka dotted we would see them as polka dotted. Now an Older Member wouldn’t just dream up a test like that but if they felt they had instruction to say the leisure ports were polka dotted they would. That’s what happened when Ti scheduled a pickup about 5 years after they first drew their student body in 1975, which was then 1980. Ti felt like she was to have us prepare to be picked up by a spacecraft, so we did and waited up most of the night and no craft showed up that we were aware of. Later Do told us that Ti said to him that she felt like she had “egg on her face”.

      I have actually asked Carlan aka Crlody to bring things up to me should I say something that is not from Ti and Do’s mind. He didn’t seem to put his finger on something obvious several years ago when he first accused me of creating what he called, “sawyerism” but yet having his criticism on my mind I then saw how I was stating things with too much confidence at times and was relying on my memory more than the record Do and Crew left behind. His examples to me seemed trite, and didn’t reflect any procedure or something that could be pointed to as against what Ti and Do taught, which I won’t bother listing now, but I can’t deny the shoe did fit to some degree and I still keep that in mind and try harder to provide more specific examples from what I can show came from Ti and Do’s mind, though I might add what I recall as well. I’m hopefully never going to say, “I could be wrong but think Ti and Do are from the Level Above Human”. To me that would be like looking outside and seeing it pouring and questioning whether it’s raining or not, yet I can’t prove that to another. They have to want to see it to see it and then they will though there will always be challenges to it in degrees. For if I really knew 100% all the time exactly who Ti and Do were, I couldn’t have possibly not pleaded with them for help when I fell off the wagon of abiding by the procedure to not stimulate sensuality or be deceitful, both of which I did do.

      But back to the topic… the one major advantage we had while Ti and/or Do were incarnate with us, was that they would resolve all conflicts or at least show us how to resolve our conflicts. At times they would change partnerships because one was so critical of another, they were having a hard time accepting anything from them while in others so little was brought up that should have been brought up because a partner was too interested in keeping the peace.

      I remember when Ti and Do first organized us into groups in 1975 and then the news hit that brought to light their vehicle’s names and that so called felon record against Do and they chose to scatter the 70 or so of us, so we wouldn’t stand out so much in the camping areas where we tried to live as we held public meetings, I’d be laying in my cott in my tent with the window opened and I’d see all these members of the group I was in, or in one case when several groups were in the same camping area, there were classmates scurring about, seemingly arguing over things. Well most of them ended up leaving the group soon thereafter but it was somewhat havoc and I recall Rob Balch reporting that in one of his articles about the group.

      But over the years as some left who really didn’t want to be there for the right reasons, there was more and more harmony. It was those who weren’t happy in the class that simulated the most disharmony.

      Now, it’s even harder. My biggest critics are some who say they are new believers in Ti and Do. If I were to pay attention to all that’s been critisized I would never have written the book on the scriptural evidence in support of Ti and Do being the Father and Jesus returned incarnate in the task of the Two Witnesses and FIRST and LAST harvest periods because there is a bunch of things I can’t refer directly back to Ti and Do’s info left behind and we don’t even have access to over 200 meeting tapes because former classmates are withholding them.

      When I see former classmates saying things that are against what Ti and Do said that I can bring specific evidence of, I feel I must bring it to public attention because of how that can influence others to accept misinformation as the truth.

      It’s interesting how there is interpretation of one verse in the Book of Revelations that seems to indicate among other things that there would be disharmony among those who are portrayed as “saints” – the word meaning those who were willing to give their lives in service to the Next Level Older Members. (I still have yet to face that test but it’s on I’m fairly confident it’s on the docket in the next few years). As each who had personal experience with Ti and Do, who either fall away from belief and service to Them or exits their vehicle, so does the greater hold on the truth – what really happened, what was really meant/intended, as was the case after Jesus left. Do or one of the 38 said this but I forget at this moment where, but it’s quite apparant as we speak.

      It’s because the opposition is bent on twisting everything into misinformation and the Next Level allows them to do this because those with some of their Mind in them will then witness it and fight to keep the truth alive for as long as they can which will build their strength towards their own potential Next Level membership.

      Even Rio, being the last one to be living with them, who left two weeks before they layed down their lives reported that while they were building the “Monestary Fortress” and “launch pad” near Manzano, New Mexico from April to November of 1995 (I left in September of 1994), – the “earthship” design of stuffing old tires with mud to make walls for their main compound building that the amount of physical work was stimulating what rio reported as, “many males dealt with a surprising amount of aggressive and chauvinistic behavior caused by influences.” I would question his use of “many” but I suppose it could have been in degrees, but the example he gave were between three of the “second timers” (the term he used to describe those who joined from the second public face to face offerring of Ti and Do’s info that took place from January of 1994 to September of 1994) – because WKNODY (Waken) (in a female vehicle) was assigned to operate the backhoe. Rio reports that. “he noticed some male ego’s from Qstody (quest) and Leody (Leo) getting tweaked when they noticed her doing what they thought was a man’s job.” Rio describes how he was one of the “foreman on the project” and when he saw these two “acting with anger and confrontation” he asked Jwnody and Evnody to help, who helped these two see there was an “influence present.” An influence was the way Ti and Do had us describe what was our opposition/advasary – a discarnate or some equivilent unseen “lower force”. He reports they apologized to Wknody and complimented her on her backhoe driving. (I have to say that some of the reports in Rio’s book I have found to be inaccurate, like regarding where the ody names came from, which I was present for and have a number of perspectives to help verify, which I brought up to Rio (who I knew briefly in the group as he joined in 1994), so it’s not like we can count on everything he reported in the book to be “gospel”. I know some of my memories are also not 100% count-on-able, but all can add up to seeing more of the truth when it’s asked about as you have done.

      I remember one brief chest pushing match between two male vehicles (Alxody and Cddody) and one of these (Cddody) ended up being instructed by Do to relocate to a tyhpe of half way house in Dallas that several other students went to as well. (Sngody, Alxody?, Anyody, Tllody, Stlody) in 1988. Of them all returned when invited back in 1993-4 except Cddody chose not to return. He ended up disbelieving in Ti and Do even though he had been one of the first students having joined from the North Hollywood private meeting Ti and Do were invited to speak at. (He has since left his vehicle – not by his own hand, from some type of sickness).

      Classmates always had challenges among certain ones though were worked out fairly quickly and without anyone else really knowing about it. I don’t want to paint a picture of disharmony as such was really the exception, though was part of the lesson plan to deal with.

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