Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

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Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts. I am calling them both “tests” and a type of filter. Because they were tests, even though they weren’t always presented that way, if someone was “on the fence” with their full commitment, they served to face us with getting off that fence, one way or the other, leave the classroom or stay on and become stronger for doing so.

(By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them was part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions).

I’m starting from when the self stimulated exit was first brought up directly as there were times before that, when it surfaced indirectly that I’ll add later:

1) In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting, for me, as an overseer of one of the groups, was near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which is when the idea of self exiting our vehicles was first introduced. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to a very short distance away. I remember feeling exhausted and wondering why, but didn’t let that thought linger. I wasn’t conscious that I was responding negatively to what they were providing. It’s only looking back and recalling it that I remember that negative response. None the less, it was a minor negativity for me and I said nothing and I didn’t think poorly about Ti and Do or question being with them at all. It was mostly because I didn’t want to do the work of moving the tents again. So I don’t really count this as one of the tests in the list because it was small a test, yet who knows how others felt.

2) The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level – “eyes to see, ears to hear”. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point, indicated by his saying “almost without exception”:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

re: what Ti and Do always described as “body changes” is shown possible by Jesus’ example of healing and demonstrating his new body that came from the old one. Christians refer to Jesus body after he healed his body from it’s dead state as having a “glorified body.” Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke adds a key piece not found in either Matthew or Mark’s account, showing that these two “men” as Luke referred to Elias and Moses were delivering a message at least one of them understood. In other words this was when Jesus was given instructions to “lay his body down” of his own volition which could be equated with a type of suicide as he knew well the Jewish leadership hated him and had tried a number of times to stone him and were shown later to have conspired for a way to capture him and have the Romans kill him. While addressing this, here is where Jesus directly says he was going to die on his Father’s instruction and that the humans were not taking his life from him. He was laying it down as the show of the greatest love one could show another, in this case his students, the sheep given to him by his Father to shepherd?

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Continuing on with when he received that instruction while on the Transfiguration mount:

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today for some has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

3) How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

4) In about 1977, Ti and Do held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”.

TI told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

I already thought that’s what I was doing but I’d bet to some who were on the fence of being in this group it could have been a shocker.

5) The test TI said to DO felt like she “had egg on her face” because of – the planned exit via a spacecraft that didn’t happen

Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. I wasn’t privy to how that happened. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

6) Ti and Do gave us instructions to think about what we might want in the world.

Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom and compared it to being in a snake pit. The “process” instruction they’d given us from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that.

However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

7) The first of two weekend long optional visits to our human families

Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had “anxiety” about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

8) The second  optional weekend long visit to our human families

I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

9) Mrcody (known now as Mark, one of the two Heaven’s Gate webmasters) and Srfody (known now as Sara, the other Webmaster are instructed by Do through each of their students to leave the classroom until such time as they are ready to accept all the lesson steps

In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to instill the recognition that what our Older Members say is what we must rise up to recognize. Thus is was also a way of helping deflate our self confidence and instead put all our confidence in our Older Members.

It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by.

The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

10) In about 1987 DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated and asked some if they had a reservation with taking that act.

At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. A day or so later, DO then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

11) DO offers any classmember $2000.00 to leave

It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

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14 Responses to “Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter””

  1. crlody Says:

    These conflicts between us only serve to distract individuals from the information that the Class left behind. We need to be satisfied with that information as the most direct, undiluted Next Level information on the planet. By your actions you are not satisfied with that information and want recognition for your take on what the Class was about. By your own words you “don’t care” that much of that information is being suppressed. You want recognition for being “brave” in your self-appointed NL mission and if you didn’t want recognition for that then why even bring it up? Ti and Do were brave as were all those who followed Them out of here. You’re here because you’re afraid to leave. Just like everyone else. You’re not special. The world doesn’t need Sawyer’s take on what the class was about to grow closer to the NL. What if I said that I had a dream in which Do told me that you are completely off-track and not serving the NL with this mission of yours? Would you tell me it must not have been Do in my dream? How would either of us “prove” it either way? You can never prove that you are for the NL Sawyer, it’s something that you believe and you seem to expect the world to believe you too. considering that you haven’t shut up about it for ten plus years running now If you claim that you have contacts with the NL and you also claim that you “don’t care” that a significant portion of the NL mind that was left here by the class is being suppressed then I must state that your “contacts” are not from the NL. The Class wanted the tapes distributed. RKK knew it, I know it but you don’t care because you are more interested in your own blog, your own book and your own videos than you are in listening to Do instruct the students in the ways and thinking of the NL.

    Maybe the reason that you get so defensive and you behave as if you’re almost a martyr for the NL is because deep down you know that you could be wrong about all of your claims.

    To your credit you’re one of the very few former class members I’ve known who takes responsibility for why they left the Class. RKK did too. And of course for your own sake I’m glad that you decided that you found the human life unsatisfying. But how can you be sure that “give your life” in a dream means that you’re supposed to be doing all that you’re doing? Are you getting specific instructions from Ti and Do in dreams to say all that you’re saying? They told you that you are “brave” and that it doesn’t matter that the audio tapes that They wanted disseminated are being suppressed? That makes no sense and I think deep down you know it doesn’t but you are so thoroughly convinced, so thoroughly RIGHTEOUS about everything you’re doing being some “task” for the NL that you refuse to hear anything to the contrary. The more that I tell you that I don’t believe in your task the more you will continue to believe in it as you take that resistance to mean you’re being persecuted because of the rightness of your mission. Don’t confuse your own will with Ti and Do’s will. You don’t represent Them. You can’t explain the lessons presented by Ti and Do on the audio tapes better than they can.

    Once again, go complain to your followers about all the “accusations” that you have to weather while on your important mission for the Next Level. RKK never felt like he was here to explain what the class was about. And he even was sent back after his first attempt at leaving. And he never saw it as being sent back, he always maintained that he “botched” the attempt.

    • sawyer Says:

      Further comments from Crlody (Carlan) and Sawyer’s responses:

      crlody:
      These conflicts between us only serve to distract individuals from the information that the Class left behind. We need to be satisfied with that information as the most direct, undiluted Next Level information on the planet. By your actions you are not satisfied with that information and want recognition for your take on what the Class was about. By your own words you “don’t care” that much of that information is being suppressed. You want recognition for being “brave” in your self-appointed NL mission and if you didn’t want recognition for that then why even bring it up?

      Sawyer:
      You must never read my comments back to you because I’ve explained probably over a dozen times what I mean by the out of context, “don’t care” about the surpassed audio tapes. That was not an accurate thing to say as to how I feel about it but again I got worn down so did say it that way but since then, even over years have clarified that I do care but have no recourse to get them released that I would feel good about and know that we have everything we need. I trust Ti and Do to have provided all we need to take further steps in our overcoming and provision of service (mission) for Ti and Do. As I recall, but could be wrong about, Ti and Do didn’t like using that word “mission” pertaining to themselves. They spoke as having or giving a “task”, or an “assigned task” and/or “project” and/or “process” and/or program as far as I recall.

      What do you propose we do to try to get those tapes remaining audio tapes released?

      You sound like you think you have authority to tell me what I should or should not be doing, saying my actions show that I’m not “satisfied with that information” (from Ti and Do) because I write/talk about related scriptures and signs, etc. while DO and TI are who gave us the many, many references to scriptures and parts of the Book of Revelations, not me, so I’m following their lead in that. If you could point to things Ti and Do said that indicate what NOT to think, say and do then you’d have some credence but even the few remote references hardly criticize my efforts in that regard.

      I think you could learn to look for the positive in what others do, and “forgive” our trespasses against others as we want our trespasses to be forgiven and especially so when you have no grounds to see them as negatives in Ti and Do’s mind from the information they left behind.

      I agree their info is the most direct, undiluted info on the planet. Part of their information is the Jesus record (See the back of the Heaven’s Gate book and how many times DO spoke about Jesus and Ti as well, though they never quoted chapter and verse) that you seem to choose not to include – the entire record in the 4 gospels and we can’t ignore how much of the Book of Revelations DO spoke about so can’t disqualify those provisions of information.

      I brought up before that to me it did require some bravery (however minor) to put myself in the public eye in 1997 and then again in 2002 and thereafter at times. I only brought up “bravery” because you kept on reminding me that I didn’t have the courage to exit as they did which I don’t disagree with, though have no reason to believe not having that courage means the end of my learning lessons and providing Ti and Do service until I do exit this vehicle (by whatever means, not actually ruling out leaving as they did).

      Crlody:
      Ti and Do were brave as were all those who followed Them out of here. You’re here because you’re afraid to leave. Just like everyone else. You’re not special. The world doesn’t need Sawyer’s take on what the class was about to grow closer to the NL. What if I said that I had a dream in which Do told me that you are completely off-track and not serving the NL with this mission of yours? Would you tell me it must not have been Do in my dream? How would either of us “prove” it either way? You can never prove that you are for the NL Sawyer, it’s something that you believe and you seem to expect the world to believe you too. considering that you haven’t shut up about it for ten plus years running now If you claim that you have contacts with the NL and you also claim that you “don’t care” that a significant portion of the NL mind that was left here by the class is being suppressed then I must state that your “contacts” are not from the NL. The Class wanted the tapes distributed. RKK knew it, I know it but you don’t care because you are more interested in your own blog, your own book and your own videos than you are in listening to Do instruct the students in the ways and thinking of the NL.

      Maybe the reason that you get so defensive and you behave as if you’re almost a martyr for the NL is because deep down you know that you could be wrong about all of your claims.

      Sawyer:

      Constant exaggerations and misrepresentations of what I think come out of your pen on a regular basis. How do you know what I think unless I give it to you. Who gives you that information that makes you sound so confident?

      I am not trying to prove to anyone that I am for the Next Level but I am trying to offer evidence that Ti and Do were from the Next Level as the return of the Father and Jesus. Can you explain to me what’s wrong with that?

      I’m wondering if you are drunk or stoned when you write these comments as they ramble along with preconceived opinions you self justify that are often telling me what I think and feel and experience and should not do. Do you ever wonder what Ti and Do think of your accusations against me?

      And then if I respond which I always do, you call me defensive. Isn’t that called in the world a type of “bait and switch” you are employing, or maybe it’s the “straw horse” or some other phrase that’s been popularized for that kind of form of deception. It’s hardly straight forward as we were taught to communicate and Jesus also spoke about.

      Ti and Do taught that dreams could be used by the Next Level to help us with our lessons. It was personal and when Ti and Do had us tell them of our dreams, which they encouraged us to program our vehicles to remember when we went “down” (to bed), they sometimes gave their impression of the dream and sometimes told us about their dreams. The biggest point to dreams is that they are personal and not meant to talk about anyone else so the idea that you could have a dream that said I was off track wouldn’t be consistent with what they taught just like if I had a dream that you were off track. I’m not saying those kinds of dreams are impossible to have but they would be from the lower forces not from the Next Level based on all I recall they taught about dreams.

      I also have no desire for the “world” to believe anything I say but you keep repeating stuff like that as if a broken record.

      You are all about, almost 100% related to me all about what “I’m not” whether to you or to others and to Ti and Do which is a big pointer of where such thoughts come from because you don’t know what I am to Ti and Do right now, nor to anyone else. All you can do, as I is talk about what you believe or feel about me, which you’ve done so many times now I had to compile them into a blog post so to not allow you to sow news seeds of misinformation about me.

      crlody:
      To your credit you’re one of the very few former class members I’ve known who takes responsibility for why they left the Class. RKK did too. And of course for your own sake I’m glad that you decided that you found the human life unsatisfying. But how can you be sure that “give your life” in a dream means that you’re supposed to be doing all that you’re doing?

      Sawyer: To me that’s apples and oranges re: my belief that Do said to me in a dream, when I asked (not during a dream) if I should “prepare to lay down my life as they did”, “you need to give your life”. That’s not saying I’m supposed to do what I’m doing. I don’t know if what I did with the book and other biblical based writings/speakings is approved by Ti and Do. They may not see any value to it, though for other reasons to include subsequent dreams I have impressions that it was a positive thing to do for the overall mission at this point in time THAT THEY GAVE TO ALL OF US. It was by delving into the Revelations to show how they all can legitimately translate and be interpreted as being fulfilled by Ti and Do, specifically because of their teachings and experiences over the years, that I couldn’t deny their potential value to at the very least provide the challenge to Christians who say they are waiting for Jesus to return. It faces them with the truth and I guess it’s possible some are still growing souls. I don’t know. I don’t try to discern all that. It’s enough to do, to try to keep up with all the misinformation seeds sown out there on a daily basis.

      Crlody:
      Are you getting specific instructions from Ti and Do in dreams to say all that you’re saying? They told you that you are “brave” and that it doesn’t matter that the audio tapes that They wanted disseminated are being suppressed? That makes no sense and I think deep down you know it doesn’t but you are so thoroughly convinced, so thoroughly RIGHTEOUS about everything you’re doing being some “task” for the NL that you refuse to hear anything to the contrary. The more that I tell you that I don’t believe in your task the more you will continue to believe in it as you take that resistance to mean you’re being persecuted because of the rightness of your mission. Don’t confuse your own will with Ti and Do’s will. You don’t represent Them. You can’t explain the lessons presented by Ti and Do on the audio tapes better than they can.

      Swyody:
      No absolutely not. I haven’t got any “instructions” from dreams or any other way. I agree with Rkkody, that’s not the way it works but we can get “ideas” about things to think or say or do, but they can’t necessarily be counted on unless we can see them verified by things in the legitimate records with all Ti and Do taught as the ultimate authority. I know I suggested that the Ceres lights were not Space Aliens on that dwarf planet. I don’t think I’m wrong about that because DO said that the space aliens couldn’t travel very far away from the earth anymore. However, I don’t know how far that is. But if we can count on what Jesus said about where the “signs” would come from going forward through the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies, as Ti and Do taught we could pertaining to the “red letters” in the 4 gospels then we can surmise that that space aliens wouldn’t be allowed to interfere with those “signs” seen in the “sun, moon and stars” (which I believe stars comes from the Greek “Aster” as a lighted object seen traversing from east to west, thus a comet, and I also think stars could be considering the plants as to us with the naked eye they look the same as stars. With Pluto I came up with interpretation because I knew the content of the first movie script and the pictures Ollody drew/airbrushed. Both Pluto and Ceres are strongly linked to Rev 6:8, to show their influence during the time of the “green horse”. When I saw a number of cross referenced records, the same as with Rev 11 Two Witnesses and Rev 12 “woman” and lots more, like the “Briefing” Ti “remembered” before she left in Rev 4, it’s like hard to deny there is a strong potential match of those ideas to those prophecies, yet I still do not know for sure if I got those right but it’s part of when they occurred as well that to me is part of that puzzle. And there have been many more “signs”. We didn’t need those “signs”. I think safe to say no one who was in their classroom needed any of those signs but now, it’s impossible to tell who can benefit from being able to see those mysteries uncovered.

      Crlody:
      Once again, go complain to your followers about all the “accusations” that you have to weather while on your important mission for the Next Level. RKK never felt like he was here to explain what the class was about. And he even was sent back after his first attempt at leaving. And he never saw it as being sent back, he always maintained that he “botched” the attempt.

      Sawyer:
      This to me sounds like sarcasm, though I could be wrong but if it is, which you can examine I think you would agree it’s not a characteristic of a member of the Next Level.

      I am not comparing myself to Rkkody, nor anyone else, nor that I have any different mission than anyone else, nor why he botched the first exit. I only considered that it wasn’t botched so that he could do a few more tasks for the Next Level before he left, but I could be wrong about that but I know it’s possible that’s why it was botched or that the Next Level made a positive out of the “botch”.

      I have no followers but I admit when it comes up, and some ask me or comment about our back and forth I get worn out, so probably do come across as complaining. I’ll try not to duplicate that further.

      Some previous compilations of Crlody Carlan’s accusations and Sawyer (3spm) responses:
      http://wp.me/puJOl-B3

  2. carmelita Says:

    truly, nobody cares. CRLODY is just trolling you because he has nothing in his life either.

    it was over 20 years ago. there was a blip of media attention and now HG is just another loony cult in the history bin.

    what did do get wrong? well, there was no spaceship behind the comet for one. if there were, we’d have millions of pictures of it. it wasn’t cloaked — why would the smart next level hide from a bunch of plants?

    Go buddhist and just be cool with what happened to you. it is a good story if nothing else but you pretend that you still believe it.

    • sawyer Says:

      I can provide evidence that you are wrong about much of what you said:

      Some do care. I talk to people every day that care.

      How do you know I have “nothing in my life,” another mistruth stated as a fact.

      The media attention was huge both in 1975 and even moreso in 1997 and in between present, not only a “blip” and there is a flurry of new media coming out at this time, as it’s not over yet though it will be soon.

      “Loony” is in the eye of the beholder, that can largely depend on experience. Many people, even dominant in society for decades used to think food had nothing to do with one’s health.

      There is photographic evidence from the Japaneses and other sources that there was a “companion object” thought it wasn’t important to DO and Crew if there was or not. There is a meeting every year by NASA and JPL scientists to continue to study Hale Bopp. In one of the last meetings they determined that it had a dual nucleus and that both objects of that nucleus were in orbit around one another. The same thing just happened in 2017 with comet honda and there are other examples before that of the same kind of technology that defies what’s been told to us about comets.

      If it existed and humans couldn’t see it then why not call it cloaked. In fact from the records that was the modus operandi of the Next Level to hide what they and/or their spacecrafts looked like – so they generated their own cloud cover as one way to hide but not entirely so people would begin to consider them a reality. Those records are historic evidence like it or not.

      How do you know there aren’t millions of pictures of it?

      One reason they hide that I believe I got the perspective of from Ti and Do is so belief in them isn’t automatic. If they just showed themselves and showed their power humans would either think they are invaders or gods, in either case it would be a setup that wouldn’t allow us to come into recognition on our own and gradually as some would just freak out entirely. I’ve witnessed all three responses to even the idea of their existence.

      Also, from things Ti and Do said, since they knew the space aliens would be in circulation, especially at this time, and have only “primitive spacecrafts”, compared to theirs, (some of which can be “grown spacecrafts”) they wanted to demonstrate a separation of their reality from what they knew the space aliens would be seen doing … abductions for eggs and sperm, etc. and stimulating governments to make deals for technology development, etc. and the associations they lead many humans to make to the religious and mythological “gods”.

      Seeing and experiencing one of their spacecrafts can also overwhelm some, even cause a “fear” response because they are so powerful in ways beyond human capacity to measure as some of that power is because of how powerful their Minds have become.

      A side note to that power is how Moses asked Jehovah if he could see him and Jehovah said, if Moses saw His face he would “surely die”. So Jehovah said you can touch me if you like and set up a way for Moses to touch his “thigh/hip/side/back” with a rock ledge of some kind in between them, as the story/records go. Jehovah was also know to come and go via a “column of cloud” that would come down in front of the entrance to the tent Jehovah gave Moses instructions to erect for Jehovah’s visits.

      That same cloud led them through the desert, often traveling at night and that column was then a “cloud of light” that went in front of them right near to or resting upon the box that was designed to hold the stone tablets that were carved with the basic civility instructions for those “toddler” souls.

      Ti and Do indicated that as long as some of those they were nurturing with their Mind had the potential to “graduate” no miracles would be given to them. Humans, if allowed to see them could experience it as a miracle and that would alter their free will and wouldn’t last once they were gone, where drawing in their “Informational Mind” gradually allows us to make real adjustments in our consciousness so that we can handle it and still retain our free will to want more or not.

      But I don’t know how their staying hidden actually is defined. For instance, I was shown a ufo sighting in early 1976 while on the road by myself with my assigned partner in Corpus Christi, Texas. We had been on the road hitchhiking town to town sharing Ti and Do’s message and by myself, when I put my sleeping bag on the beach at the gulf of mexico and looked up saw a very bright large light, say the size and closeness of an airplane headlight coming into a big airport to land. Yet this light had the speed of a meteor but no show of sparks or smoke as we see in some meteors and it was traveling north to south parallel to the earth like a plane would do. It was in sight for maybe 3 seconds and right about where I was standing it did two exact seeming right angle turns without appearing to change speed so it looked like a straight angled Z.

      I can’t say it did anything I was conscious of though I did wonder if it was intelligently driven. I can recall several times in the classroom when I was having moments of doubt thinking of that sighting and it seemed to be like a little proof but just barely. I don’t think it ever kept me from thinking about leaving which I did entertain a little one time in a small way when I was an assigned driver of a carpool so had the car to myself for a time every work day.

      I know that we are all “plants” but from the Next Level’s perspective some plants are of great value if they accept the opportunities to grow to produce “fruit” in that analogy – fruit being to become members of the Next Level that then provide that truth to others as our service to them.

      They don’t need any of us. It’s their joy to provide the chance to evolve beyond human.

      I know the religions can be stepping stones as Ti and Do said and Buddhism, DO felt had some Next Level teachings as their tenents of separation from humanness originally that is. The idea was to conquer “desires”, get rid of attachments, not quest for materialism, treat others as we want to be treated, etc. I later, when writing my book wondered if that’s where Jesus went after his exit by rising up with his new physical body he proved was physical to his students, into a “cloud”. Jesus said he had another “fold” he was going to after he left them.

      It was in the 1960’s that many Buddhist teachers came to the US to extend their beliefs so was a kind of merging of the east and west that with other sects and religions made the US into a melting pot to provide vehicles for returning Souls to take over to perform their overcoming process task through. However today many Buddhists, I’d gamble to say are more or less atheists, not that that is a bad thing as DO said atheism was a good step like any path up the human mountain, but won’t get one off that “mountain”.

      I don’t know why you say I “pretend” to believe it as if I don’t believe it. That spurs a memory of Ti and Do saying in 1975-6 that some people they met via the public meetings they gave would say something to the affect of, “I want to want to believe”. With all my faults or weaknesses that wasn’t one. Most of what Ti and Do said always made sense to me though the times when something didn’t, I’d put in on a back burner that I’d come to understand it better and that seemed to happen repeatedly. Even after I left and came back into wanting to be in their service again, as I re-read material I realized how many doubts I had that I didn’t know how to deal with so didn’t.

      Granted they looked loony to the casual observer but when really examined with any attention to detail one would be challenged to face that they stood apart from all the others in major ways.

      • sawyer Says:

        carmelita,

        What’s new is duel nucleus for a comet. So many people talk about “science” in the same way many religionists talk about religion. Am I “looking to science” if I agree that I breath. Of course I observe all things discovered by scientific technological developments but the facts are that what many call faith can easily also be seen as a technologically based discovery of “evidence” however elusive to many. Just like the discovery of objects in the solar system by constant observation and watching orbit fluctuations, which is hardly a new “science”. It can be shown to the open minded that systems of astronomy have been around long before modern science and that even what is considered modern science in some areas are quite primitive.

        Plus just because there are examples like Charon and Pluto doesn’t negate other observations that turn existing “science” on it’s ear, so to speak, but of course those who are entrenched in a limited mindset don’t often choose to recognize and/or admit to, at least publicly to leading edge thought and discoveries, or at least the public doesn’t often hear about them.

        It’s funny what people think is a fantasy until they get proven wrong and then those voices disappear and are replaced by a new stigma.

        yes I agree that what Ti and Do said about anything to me is the greatest “gospel” but I know that may be all but impossible to imagine.

        what am I supposed to “get” the idea that the earth and all the life forms just crawled out of the sea to develop computers. Talk about fantasy thinking.

      • carmelita Says:

        LOL. Holy Pirates of Penzance!! You are very ill-informed.

        “… all the life forms just crawled out of the sea to develop computers” — if you are interested in science and would like to know about the theory of evolution, there are hundreds of thousands of scientific papers written on the subject.

        I guess that would require the intellect but more importantly the intellectual curiosity to research the topic. You lack both.

        It is easier to just google “evolution” and watch some nutbag’s youtube video about how evolution is a fraud than it would be to actually read hard science about it.

        But I encourage you to get BOOKS and learn stuff. You don’t have the ability to filter fact from fiction which is why you believe the absolutely outlandish things that you believe.

        The stuff you believe is (truly) THE most bizarre-o stuff that I have even read. And I know a guy who thinks JFK’s assassination was a Masonic suicide — one of which JFK was fully aware long before Dallas.

        Wait. Now YOU probably believe that JFK’s assassination was a voluntary Masonic suicide. OMG — I’m certain that you do now.

        You should donate your brain to science because you must have some sort of odd lesioning that prevents you from comprehending anything real.

      • sawyer Says:

        Just like people probably often don’t read much if at all of what I write, I find myself having no reason to read all of your comments so if you have a question about something I wrote (as this is my little blog) make it short and sweet please and I’ll consider whether to reply or not, but I’m not going to give you that much time at this point as there are people everyday who have a genuine interest in Ti and Do.

      • carmelita Says:

        “The same thing just happened in 2017 with comet honda and there are other examples before that of the same kind of technology that defies what’s been told to us about comets.”

        What we’ve been told? As if they were lying to us? It is science, so as they learn more, the narrative changes.

        When Hale-Bopp passed by they learned stuff from it.

        The next time it passes by, they’ll learn even more — and they’ll share their findings. That doesn’t mean the scientists now are telling us lies or suppressing information.

        Get it?

      • sawyer Says:

        carmelita – Scientists are simply people who have studied and gained experience in certain fields and what they say publicly and what they think and say privately can be very, very different. NASA is part of the DOD and like any department of government and especially related to the military (defense) it’s need to know and they measure what they say through their public relations people just like in all the governmental departments and related corporations and foundations, etc. I could spend thousands of words giving examples of my “scientific” observations over 40+ years and combine that with my personal experiences, so that there are things I know that can be proven IF the observer puts out the effort to consider the evidence.

        What I was referring to in relationship with comet honda is how some in the science community to date still describe comets as “dirty snowballs” – ice and rock, which I’m not saying they are not but with the latest observations galore their “ice” is some kind of “ice”. But with comet honda and ison especially when the pixelation is filtered out with software or when one really zooms into the pictures we are at times given we see that there is a lot more than one dirty snowball. With honda there were two distinct bright ball like objects so close to one another that from a distance one couldn’t tell there were two. With Ison there was 5-7 objects with different configurations, one being traveling in a very clear and distinct V formation. Here are some of the pics I’ve gathered of the various anomalies that were not officially revealed or described but were real I believe, but before posting that there have been a number of whistleblowers that knew of a department in NASA that intentionally airbrushed or in some other way doctored photographs before they were released. Sometimes the crew doing the doctoring were told certain lights were a distraction and other times were told they were lens flares, etc. And sure there probably can be lens flares but that can also be what is said to turn off further consideration.
        http://www.tianddothefatherandjesusheavensgateufotwowitnesses.com/bookintroduction_appendix/

      • carmelita Says:

        scientists won’t suppress information — they clamor for it.

        also, “dirty snowball” is a euphemism… they don’t literally believe they are made of snow like snowmen are. you won’t understand that, I’m sure.

        Like when I say that someone is a “hothead” — I don’t literally mean that their scalp is hot to the touch. It is a euphemism.

        NASA is not part of the department of defense (DOD).

        Is your mind blown?

        Also, science has absolutely nothing to do with your faith. You believe this stuff b/c Do and Ti said it was true. And that’s the bottom line.

        again, though: NASA is NOT a part of the DOD.

        You are the opposite of a thinking person. You don’t have the ability to filter fantasy and fact.

        For instance, I love this one: Do you think the moon could be a spaceship populated with Bigfoots?

        You are entertaining the thought, aren’t you? All those hairy ape-men in the moon… right?

        A man that can entertain that thought would believe Herf and Bonnie Lu. Just sayin’

      • sawyer Says:

        I don’t think it matters what I say to you, so it’s a waste of my time to say much but do the investigation and you will learn that in the early 2000’s NASA was taken over by the Dept of Defense and I did believe everything Ti and Do said but later after I left saw the science behind it but you won’t know that unless you look at their information scientifically.

        Your examples show how little you act like you know – a fish in the fishbowl has no knowledge what’s outside that fishbowl but within that bowl they can talk all they want as if they know and there will be some fish that think them intelligent but if any of them had experience outside that fishbowl in some way then they could see right through what the others say they know.

      • carmelita Says:

        You may be the most lost person on the entire planet.

        I don’t think it is your fault, though — you were born this way.

        It would be interesting to know if you are on the government dole, if you comforted your parents in their old age, if you provided for your family, your daughter. If you provided your daughter with an excellent education — giving her the footing to strive.

        If your friends and family regard you as a warm, loving person — or as much of a lost soul as I do.

        You could do a lot of good. I’m sure C.A.N. would welcome you speak about the great harm your cult did you and your family. You could take the lost blackness of your life and give light to others.

  3. Woraufhin Says:

    Should those who believe in Ti and Do focus on informing others about Ti and Do or on personal overcoming? Which signs of the Next Level’s presence will arrive in the near future, and how should believers respond to them?

    • sawyer Says:

      Your questions stimulated something I’ve been feeling to compile but lacked the focus to start – an influence with me. So here is the start of that document I hope to round out further and make a video about:

      I believe all indications are that “both” is the answer to your first question. Jesus sent his disciples out three times. First the twelve, then the 70 and then all who chose to spread his information to the world. Ti and Do first sent out their first followers from the N. Hollywood meetings and then from the Stanford and Canada College meetings and then from the Waldport meeting who ended up being about 70 when he sent us out the second time to head from Colorado to Chicago that resulted in about 100 by the start of the classroom in Wyoming that dwindled down to about 50 and then to 24 before climbing a bit when some returned because of the Beyond Human tapes and then over about 9 months in 1994 that almost doubled their numbers. We know that Ti and Do both knew there were more souls out there who could take human vehicles, the reason to disseminate their information after they had returned to their Next Level tasks to finish this current project. Ti and Do were never about sitting around and studying. There always needed to be application via tasks for the Next Level and the first and primary task (except for classroom time) was to spread their information. I think the primary cities to spread it to are those cities around the world but primarily in the US where DO had us send the equivalent of the USA Today InfoAd DO wrote in 1993 and those cities where meetings past were held that are all listed in their Book. I think the internet is the primary most effective way to do that and they gave us that example via their Web Site but it’s also backed up by Prophecy in:

      Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

      “midst of heaven” is saying it’s the middle or mid heaven and that can be seen as having multiple interpretations as most prophecy as to those who are Souls who are back and by the media of the World Wide Web that is at this time residing in the “cloud” with data transfers happening via satellites galore.

      I believe this is also what is meant by “standing”. If one stands silently they are not exercising their beliefs and in a way that is of further service – they are not producing “fruit” as Jesus called it along with being “fishers of men (humans)”. And since those who choose to take this task are Souls who returned who had some degree of significant relationship with the Next Level before, “standing” is the same thing as “resurrection” – “stand up again” which also means “rising” into Next Level membership by that service. Overcoming comes with service and is also a service as the more we talk about the Next Level to others the more we are programming our vehicle to abide by what Ti and Do taught in behavior and ways and the more we are facing the challenge from doing it all. How and when and how often we do this task is up to us and that’s where we should seek to know what they would have us do by asking them for help and starting to develop our “feeler” of where to go, to whom to speak to, etc.

      However, I don’t believe there are any limits on us for where to bring this information and would use all the examples in what TI and DO and Crew did over their combined 25 years incarnate since 1972 when Ti and Do met in their last vehicles and awakened to their task.

      Here are some of the many things TI and DO and Crew said that supports what I just said:

      Jwnody wrote:
      “This is an extremely rare opportunity, as we approach the End of the Age. There is a tiny remnant left of a window for catching the eye of the “caretakers of this world.” In order to get saved for further planting, the overriding requirement is to recognize that this is true (these are the facts). You must believe that we represent the Kingdom that created this planet and all of its inhabitants. And you must be willing to take a stand in defense of that belief, and sustain that stand until the end – your departure – regardless of the consequences.”

      Jwnody wrote this as shown in full context below as the formula that she wrote on TI and DO’s behalf most concisely in the end of: “Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure.

      Since all of us choose to grow at different rates and at different times, there is an approach for everyone in these couple of paragraphs that includes telling others about Ti and Do (“…Stand for that belief…” and overcoming and in those and all ways separating from our humanness and “to pledge their allegiance for or against” the Next Level. “Every soul must be put to the final test”. DO talks about it as Three Types of People who the Next Level will spare from the recycling, speaking about the souls not the vehicles:

      The formula is the same now as it always has been. To begin a
      metamorphosis in order to be born into the Next World, you must
      abandon everything of this world (just as the caterpillar about to
      become a butterfly must do). You must separate and begin to wean
      yourself of all mammalian ways – ties and addictions – replacing them
      with the ways and behavior of a more advanced and refined level of
      life. You cannot do it by yourself. You must seek, to the best of
      your ability, the guidance of a Representative who is a member of that
      kingdom, who has been through the metamorphic process at a previous
      time, and who has been sent with the specific task of midwifing
      newborns. Or, at very least, you attempt to connect with an active
      “student” of a present Representative. This is an extremely rare
      opportunity, as we approach the End of the Age. There is a tiny
      remnant left of a window for catching the eye of the “caretakers of
      this world.” In order to get saved for further planting, the
      overriding requirement is to recognize that this is true (these are
      the facts). You must believe that we represent the Kingdom that
      created this planet and all of its inhabitants. And you must be
      willing to take a stand in defense of that belief, and sustain that
      stand until the end – your departure – regardless of the consequences.

      The climax of this civilization has begun as the hour of its
      recycling looms near. A war in the literal heavens is underway as the
      alien races battle for the spoils of this planet. Their campaign is
      escalating. They are actively engaged in recruiting, experimenting,
      and mining elements both mineral and biological (genetic) – in their
      efforts toward survival. They know their time is short. The Physical
      Evolutionary Level Above Human is about to surface from their
      undercover, behind-the-scenes involvements, ready to make their
      counter. There is not, and never has been, any contest. The only
      question that remains unanswered is how long the Next Level will
      permit the alien forces to present their agenda – how long is long
      enough for all souls to pledge their allegiance for or against – to
      one side or the other. Every soul must be put to the final test. And
      as we warned you at the outset, consider your options thoroughly.
      Hasty judgments are ill-advised.

      April 8, 1996
      *****
      From DO’s document entitled, “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure” under point number 7.B. DO writes:

      B. The students/disciples who successfully bond to the Level Above Human through me and my Father must also prepare to lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that more advanced Kingdom Level.

      Note DO included the word, “prepare”. In other words I see that as knowing this is the ultimate goal, yet not saying how and when. That remains our choice that as best I can tell includes the way they exited to the way Jesus’ committed disciples exited by telling the truth – though in this day in age may be harder to stimulate as the Luciferian strategy has mostly been to ignore Ti and Do.

      DO describes this process and the prospect of “going with him” further:

      8. As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies, while declaring
      that entry into the Kingdom Above Human is available, there may
      be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits”
      who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of
      their world in order to go with us.

      A. They will attempt to rid themselves of their old minds, and
      identities, in exchange for the mind that flows through me,
      as they attempt to be accepted as one of my “children.” It
      will “cost” them everything of this world – which they will
      desperately desire to quickly be rid of.
      B. If they expect to go with me, and I’m leaving very soon, they
      must look to us (me and my students/disciples) for all their
      needs to the best of their ability – align themselves with us
      – break their human bonds – and if their declaration that our
      presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down”
      of their bodies in pursuit of the Next Kingdom as well, then
      they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of that
      Kingdom, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment
      from that Next Level toward membership in that Kingdom.
      C. If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us – He
      will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before
      such “laying down of bodies” need occur.

      9. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be
      identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing
      respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the
      establishment’s point of view, being irresponsible or anti-
      social – and will be seen by the world as duped, crazy, a cult
      member, a drifter, a loner, a drop-out, a separatist, etc.

      11. Evidence that we speak the truth is:

      A. That our information and our actions match recorded accounts
      of the presence, conduct, mission, and departure of our
      previous visitations from the Level Above Human offering
      membership in that Kingdom.
      B. Any soul of this civilization who has known us in previous
      visitations or has had any genuine (physical or personal)
      relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is
      present now, and is potentially capable of knowing or
      recognizing us and this information again.
      C. It appears that even the staging of some of the crashed
      spacecrafts (which we suspect some of us arrived in) was in
      order to help the skeptics realize that they have “visitors
      from another world.”
      16. It is our understanding that all souls of this civilization who
      ever received deposits from the Level Above Human have returned
      at this time, the close of this Age. As part of our task, the
      Level Above Human is using us to test them. How they/you respond
      to me, my students, and our information will, in fact, judge you
      as to whether you will or will not have a further relationship
      with the Kingdom of Heaven. In other words, coming in contact
      with this information will force a decision, and with the stand
      you take, you judge yourself. Some, by their choice at this time,
      could be redeemed. Those who accept us and endure until we leave
      will go with us, and not need to experience the “spading under”
      or recycling of this planet – and will in the future become beginners
      in the real Kingdom of Heaven.

      Believe it or not – Your choice – Your judgment.

      I hope this will assist you in whatever you might be seeking.
      **** end of Undercover “Jesus” ***

      Regarding Signs of the Next Level’s presence:

      I think the signs are abundant and frequent and are spoken about by DO and classmates in the BOOK and in the Beyond Human tapes and all Their materials in degrees and in their terms as stated in the USA Today InfoAd and in the Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before Departure and in Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure as just shown. It’s judgement time and as DO said in Undercover “Jesus”… we are judging ourselves and this all is 100% consistent with what Jesus instigated in the Book of Revelations, especially pertaining to the time of the “Opening of the fifth seal”. A seal is both a further revealing of the Next Level’s reality through the information from Ti and Do and a time of “affirmation” of to whom we show our allegiance.

      It doesn’t take my interpretations to see the signs of this time period since the Seals started during the time of DO and Crews exit of their human vehicles as the first seal opening/affirmation period.

      I believe these are spurts of the Next Level stimulating more awareness of their teachings brought by Ti and Do and how they align with Jesus teachings 100%. I have tried to detail that in my book for anyone who wants to see what I came up with that I hope was from Ti and Do’s mind.

      The signs are all outlined by Jesus in the gospels as “wars and rumors (talk) of wars” – more and more, earthwquakes, more and more, comets as described in:

      Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

      Lightning stems from the Greek word “aster” and how it’s “strewn” across the heavens, seen by us as along the ecliptic.

      The first comet that announced their immediate arrival was comet Kohoutek as Ti and Do referenced, written by DO in “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew” followed by Comet West, both comets that could be seen with the naked eye in the northwestern hemisphere.

      It says the tribes of the earth will “mourn” when they see these signs. To mourn is defined as “to cut, strike, smite” which is said as done following the Two Witnesses (and crew, since they are one unit at that point – their Classroom” which is the response of people who see their loved ones joining what they see as a dangerous cult. And it’s a literal mourning when they exited and that will continue when more “Stand” as said by DO and Jwnody above as the “overriding requirement,” “to be saved for further planting”.

      Jesus end time prophesies are repeated as it’s the pattern the Next Level sees to stimulating. It is during the 4th and 5th seal times that the “saints” (those who seek to give their all to Ti and Do) are “overcome” and some may “exit by dying” because of their Standing for Ti and Do when it becomes increasingly dangerous to do so. This is always stimulated gradually. But it seems there will be yet another type of “rapture” of some leaving all behind as they get the signal to do so. I don’t know how that signal will come. I’ve wondered if it would be at the end of having the internet to spread Ti and Do’s teachings by, but that’s being set up now in this time of the fourth seal I believe which is marked by “death” of the “tares”, what DO called weeds in their garden that Jesus said would be plucked up while leaving the true righteous, those seeking Ti and Do’s “rightness” though would include those who never hear of Ti and Do, as DO’s “third type” or “kind” of person who would be saved from the recycling.

      Many of those will be among those who refuse to be “marked” by the poisonous mammalian humans who are aligned with the govt who are doing the bidding of the secret part of the govt that came about as a result of the crashing UFO’s and the aliens that were allowed to surface at that time who began to have direct interface with certain governments.

      There will be “seven time periods described as the Seven Angels pouring out their vials”. The events described were also in part stimulated throughout the times of the Seven Angels Sounding their trumpets that we are currently in the Seventh of, so again it’s been gradual with break in between and occurring in other parts of the world from the US before this time now when it must be taken to North America (while also around the world).

      The great eclipse appears to have been one of these great signs because of it’s primary viewing area across the US and in such a way that shows the west and southwest to south east being most affected with the many large hurricane’s that wiped out Puerto Rico and the earthquakes in Mexico and the volcanic eruptions (fire) in Mexico.

      Signs in the sun, moon and stars (planets, comets) have been apparent, especially since 2013, stimulated to start in our current calendar around the first of the year to February to culminate that phase in March, with a few month break to start up again as the year’s conclusion of signs starting in august to october.

      Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
      Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
      Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

      The drought and forest fires in the US west have escalated over the last 7 years. And there are signs of volcanic activity again at Yellowstone, Mt. St. Helens and in California.

      Distress of nations is apparant and wars are breaking out in many countries that we hear about but have no control over and some we have no knowledge of how and why they start but according to Rev 6:8 they are combined with famine and death by the military and death by other forms that we’ve only just seen begin but I think will escalate until DO and His Crew return (but not incarnate as the teaching time is over) but to separate out the weeds from the wheat/wine and then determine which Souls/Spirits are to be saved and which ones are to be recycled.

      DO didn’t know how visible to humans that would be but he spoke of it as the “war in Armageddon” that is spoken of in:

      Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

      The translation of Ar is “city” or “hill” (i.e. mountain and/or continent) of Megiddo that historically is suggestive of the “battle plain of Esdraelon where Barak had victory over the Canaanites and Gideon over the Midanites.

      In general it’s the location where the last battle between good and evil is fought and that is in the US as we speak as we see a type of civil war brewing between various groups who side with the BEAST infighting, while the Luciferians continue to try to steal souls from the Next Level, a choice the Next Level gives to all souls of to whom to give their allegiance. These influences can also be interpreted to cause infighting among Ti and Do believers and the souls of Ti and Do’s believers are on the line as the most desired by the Luciferians (according to DO – as they become the spoils of the planet before recycling).

      It is also described in:

      Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

      The one sitting on the horse in this context is DO in his Next Level vehicle (possibly the same vehicle he used to overcome and transform into a Next Level body named Jesus as indicated and aligns with what Ti and Do said in 1976 (or before) as the “Seventh Closeness” – when Jesus returns (as before this Jesus doesnt’ return because Jesus is the name of the body that became Older Member DO’s Next Level vehicle that DO said he put in a closet before he came.

      This reaping the spoils of the planet by the Luciferians is also depicted in:

      Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
      Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
      Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
      Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

      The fowls seem to be the Luciferians, as Jesus also depicted as birds that eat the planted (deposited) seeds (souls) in the parable of the Tares

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