Pineapple Street Episode 5-The Tape from DO to Terrie – TI’s “daughter” comments by Sawyer

Here is the link to all the Episodes: https://www.heavensgate.show/
(Just scroll down to Episode 5)
Here are my responses:
The host saying this tape was “kept a secret for almost a year”, I guess from the student body, is misinformation, any more than the president is required to share everything he does and says with the general public or the head of a corporation or of a family or in the military. DO wasn’t keeping it secret from us. That’s a spin. Do and Ti taught us all to operate as a crew. We had departments and tasks and one department didn’t need to know what another department was doing. The teacher even of a cult doesn’t owe the students anything. We must remember if we want to see the whole truth, that each of us joined by our own choices and stayed in the group for as long or short as we wanted to so this tape was not a secret – it was simply information we didn’t all need.
The Host said DO was “less a prophet and more a lonely, sad, scared human being…” – another spin to even use the fact that DO showed his deep caring for TI and for Teri against him, similar with the way Episode four portrayed TI as a hypocrite for showing care towards Terri. A prophet is someone who “speaks inspired by God,(the highest source we can imagine)” so DO wasn’t any less of a performer of that prophet task by speaking honestly about his feelings. Saying he was lonely in one context has it’s application because as he said he had grown to depend on TI. Yes, sad he was, though he didn’t linger in that vibration and scared as well but it didn’t stop him from quickly getting back on the horse, so to speak.
Jesus evidenced being sad and scared at times:
I remind for those that think there is any truth to the Jesus story,  He was quite sad sounding “weeping in the garden” after he learned he needed to complete the task he knew he came to do by laying down his life (he learned on what became called the Transfiguration mountain visit), more or less committing suicide since he knew well from many evidences that the high priest of the Pharisaic sect sought to kill him – they tried to stone him a number of times because he was supplanting their authority over the Jewish people. It was in those historic records that he wept and asked in his prayer to his Father, who was in the heaven’s at that time, if that “cup” (task) could be removed from him, though then accepted the task and mustered the strength to perform it. Jesus also felt alone on the cross when he couldn’t feel his Older Member’s presence. I witnessed DO several years after Ti left feeling “underwater” – not feeling Ti’s presence with him (though from outside her vehicle, so at a greater distance as well) when we moved from Boulder to Atlanta, GA in one of three times where we lived east of the Mississippi river. Both Ti and Do always felt they felt most in tune with their heavenly Father (Ti’s Older Member) when they were located west of the Mississippi River but at times had instruction to travel east of it.
It’s not only humans that feel things. Members of the Next Level still feel. They can be happy and they can be sad. They are not robots however they don’t have the same kinds of things they feel happy and sad about. The same with “fun”. Members of the Next Level have fun but it’s not the same kind of fun that horses have when they run around a field.
To DO’s students, their exit by laying down their human bodies lives was not a tragedy and it doesn’t have to remain a tragedy for anyone affected in a difficult sad way, but they will have to seek their Heavenly Father’s help or the highest source they can imagine to begin to feel that, though I know sometimes that’s easier said than done, as I can attest to when I “fell”.
Ti’s dying wish to not tell Terri about her vehicle’s death:
Terrie indicated that she didn’t believe what DO said about his following Ti’s dying wishes to not tell “them” (Ti’s vehicles family). But there is a lot of evidence that DO was correct when he said this. A big case in point; TI lost her eye approx. 2 years before her vehicle expired from liver cancer on June 19, 1985 and TI chose not to tell Terrie even though it seems she wrote some letters to Terrie after the time of her eye surgery. Isn’t that very strong evidence that Ti didn’t want to tell her. I can imagine why in both cases. What good was it going to do for Ti to tell Terrie? It would just stir up more anxiety in Terrie. It was showing care for Terrie.  Ti could have visited Terrie then and many times as we spent close to 5 years or more before Ti left her vehicle, living in Texas to include Dallas for several years and Houston for perhaps a half a year and Austin for maybe a year and San Antonio and Kerrville for about a year and Amarillo for a big part of  a year. I think that was kind of Ti because of how that would have re-stimulated their bond and it would have had to be broken again and again since TI was 100% in support of her mission. Sending letters without any return address or phone number was TI’s way to try to give Terrie a little comfort.
Where the host said, in regard to Ti’s eye removal, “…how everyone in the group could see the tumors on her face and the scars it left”. That is a 100% fabricated lie to state that as a fact. The facts are and I hope someone investigates this, if it’s possible, is that one couldn’t tell at all that her eye was removed. At first she wore a patch over that eye, that is until she had a glass eye made and there were no scars I could see and I did see Ti many times up close (but perhaps mostly that was before the eye removal, when we had the Yeast Lab, as she’d come into that lab to answer questions). But I can’t remember seeing her glass eye up close but maybe that’s because I’m not the most observant person or my focus when she was talking to me or us in person or in a meeting, I was so focused on listening to her that I didn’t pay any attention to her vehicle. I admit I was most always in awe of TI and of DO.
I trust DO’s feelings about Terrie feeling something subconsciously. When something is subconscious it’s not conscious. Now I know I’m bias in that way but it’s from experiences seeing things Ti and Do said that I questioned and then later seeing them the way they saw it.
Terrie was told she would be given their materials:
They did give Terrie the materials. It just ended up being the same way they gave the world their materials, via their book and web site. For all those years before the Book and web site, Ti and Do carried around a camera they were given by someone to videotape the pickup when it happened. We carried around that camera for years in storage and other materials. Frank (Andody) should be able to verify this, and that every year or so they tried to put all their affairs in order the same way they did when they finally left which people don’t know much about but included giving people certain things, cars, van’s, money, etc. I wasn’t on the “purser” task except on rare occasion as a check partner so I don’t know the list of things they did to not leave a mess of those affairs at their exit, though they didn’t know when they would exit and how. They taught and demonstrated “covering their bets,” so to speak. So no doubt Ti and Do planned on giving things to Terrie so that was an honest intention when he said it but then things changed and DO wasn’t responsible to update Terrie to those changes even though it did still happen in another way.
As far as his being in touch with Terri like he said, that could have also happened but after they left or even while still around, though not by anyone in their visible physical bodies, is one way to look at it that is quite realistic to consider but I know sounds crazy to many to think possible. It’s the idea of the reality of what used to be called guardian angels, workers from the Next Level who are physical but can change the vibration of their physicality to render themselves invisible to humans and human technologies. I could go into more about that but I won’t right now since I’m always so long winded. Plus when DO said that he was trying to comfort her and I don’t doubt he fully thought he would but again his first priority was to keep Their classroom in forward motion and He had a crew of unseen helpers just like Jesus described having. Next Level members are not about their “self”. They all operate with a crew minded mentality so saying he would be in contact would be equally honest if some of his crew fulfilled it, whether Terri was aware of it or not.
As Terrie recognized when TI and DO first returned to visit her, I think perhaps in 1973 and/or 1974 or so, the mother she knew had changed. I think Terrie said her voice changed. I would suggest that when more of her Next Level Mind came into her vehicle she became less and less the person and mother she was, just like what happened to Jesus. When Jesus was notified that his mother and brothers wanted to visit with him, he said, “who is my mother and brother but those who…” – are the students in his classroom – they are his new family. TI selected the name TI and in that last letter even signed it, M which could be seen as fully consistent with that, without stirring up more anxiety than necessary so I presume out of kindness or perhaps she always signed Terrie’s letters that way.
As far as Dncody and Lvvody saying they would be back and then not coming back. I can only guess that they might not have been instructed to say they would be back or DO changed his mind and I don’t know how long it was after that, that DO sent the audio tape but DO was operating even then on what guidance he was still getting from Ti while outside his vehicle.
On Frank’s saying “we were shocked”, if I recall his saying “we” that doesn’t speak for me as I think I remember saying in one of the interviews I gave the Pineapple Street crew. I was not shocked. I know it sounds like I was dumbstruck the whole time in the classroom but none of the things that happened, the changes in understanding and all had any affect on my commitment to Ti and Do and nor did I have an emotional attachment to Ti and Do nor my classmates then especially but nor was I conscious about doubting anything or if I did, I ran that thought off and it was never a major deal for me.
Yes, as Terri said, Jesus is about love but it’s love for one’s Heavenly Father that was the First Greatest Commandment and most applicable when they are incarnate and the way we can show that love to our Heavenly Father when they are not incarnate as Jesus taught was to show our love for our neighbors in the same way we love ourselves, the Second Greatest Commandment that Moses taught as well and that Ti and Do demonstrated as well and did so way beyond words.
When DO converted his suffering to a positive recognizing that it was his task to complete the task without Ti’s close physical partnership he new Ti’s exit was right. I didn’t know at the time and only learned it when I dug into the entire Book of Revelation, that Ti’s exit ahead of the rest of the class was in the plan.
DO says TI is the Revelation 12 “Woman” and how the “flood” of negativity “burned out” her vehicle (eye and body):
Ti and Do were never scripture quoters though they knew them on a deep level I learned later. However around 1985 before Ti left her vehicle he had us bring bibles to a meeting that Ti didn’t sit in on which was very rare. He told us that the Revelation 12:1 “Woman” was referring to TI. Based on that after I left when they helped me re-awaken some, as I dug through most every word of the Revelation, I saw how every verse in Chapter 12 could be seen as directly correlating with what I knew and observed about Ti and Do in their relationship of “Father to Son”, etc. So Ti was hit with a flood of negativity that was a persecution of her and she lost her eye to that battle the same way in a sense we can have a physical condition because of a mental battle we are dealing with whether consciously or not, which Ti and Do also taught about. Then the woman is “helped by the earth” by the “earth opening her mouth” to swallow up the flood. By her vehicle dying the flood went into the “grave” because she was not in a human vehicle that could be affected by that negative flood of thoughts and feelings against her.
Also regarding Their original belief that they would be killed and resurrected – rise again from the grave, that too was 100% fulfilled when one knows the details and really examines the definition choices to the terms used and how in the translations they make some assumptions one would never be able to see unless they got the truth from belief in who Ti and Do are/were. And I’m not saying it couldn’t have happened exactly as the prophecy describes and as Ti and Do thought at first. But this entire project is for the Next Level an experiment and what makes it an experiment is not knowing exactly what the human responses will be to them because they designed us to have free will, so certain things can go in a number of ways. For instance the 3 and a 1/2 days is also said as a time, times and a partial time. Even so Ti and Do did feel their mission was dead for 3 days when the news broke about DO’s felony conviction, etc. that by the way was dropped by the plaintiff the rental car company but became a political football but that resulted in DO being seen as a “thief” just like in prophecy “thief in the night” where night represented the way them come “undercover” invisible – in secret – incarnate. And instead of “kill” a far more accurate translation for Greek “apokteino” would be “separate by dying themselves”. Ti by taking her task that as DO said “wore out her vehicle” was choosing to let that take out her vehicle, giving her vehicles life to her Next Level task. DO and Crew did the same but by instigating their exit directly as for them it was also a test of faith and commitment to DO. And Ti was the one who instructed us to make our commitment to DO.
My book is full of so much evidence that they were exactly who they said they were that it’s unbelievably believable. The book is found for free on my blog:

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8 Responses to “Pineapple Street Episode 5-The Tape from DO to Terrie – TI’s “daughter” comments by Sawyer”

  1. demimonde_mesila_thraam Says:

    Listened to that interview series and found it quite interesting. A lot of material is there that I had never heard about before.

    You have to understand that when someone loses their beloved mother, they’re going to be extremely upset about it. I totally grasp Terri’s emotions – I have lost my own mother but never had the experience of her just leaving me behind. And if what Dncody and Lvvody (“Livvy’) was said to do actually happened, I can see why Terri was upset. You just don’t make a promise to a grieving person and tell them you’ll be there for them, then just split and leave some money behind! You can’t buy love. I would have thought the “students” of TELAH would know better than that.

    • sawyer Says:

      Also, when Ti began her mission with DO, Terri ceased being Ti’s “daughter” even though Terrie wouldn’t necessarily see it that way or accept that reality, though Terrie was given a great deal of time to recognize that. Of course if one thinks it’s not possible that Ti and Do were who they said they were (and demonstrated to those that seek to see such) then it will look wrong from the human perspective even though the entire animal kingdom (that humans are in some ways kin to evolutionarily speaking) demonstrates the mothers pushing their offspring to grow into adults and then they are on their own, though they still might operate with their family unit or might go off and mingle with another family unit and even start their own family unit.

      Ti and Do as well as Jesus taught that there was a family unit that was beyond mammalian human but was a huge step evolutionarily that requires our conscious evolutionary steps to reach up to. It’s not the evolution of the body. It’s the evolution of the Mind (Spirit) that is stimulated by the recognition of thoughts and ideas that are not from, don’t pertain to the human kingdom ordinarily (unless and until those thoughts and ideas are provided).

      I suspect Ti raised Terrie in such a way that she was well prepared for Ti’s exit, not that it wouldn’t be painful but by dealing with it without it being devastating to her continued life. Terrie, I am told is now a “born again” Christian. Perhaps this broadcast can help her grow beyond the misinformation that became today’s Christianity. It remains her choice just like we all have continued choices to make.

  2. sawyer Says:

    I never judged Terri’s response in any way.

    But whose to say DO wasn’t there for Terri?

    Is there nothing in the unseen world that’s real? Do humans know about everything that’s happening in that unseen world? If we know logically our limitations whose to say what’s not possible. If Ti and Do were who they showed they are in my opinion then Terri was being treated by the beings that create souls and spirits and all life forms. It’s possible and I think likely that Ti and/or DO right now are in touch with and helping Terri. It’s up to her however to seek to receive that help which can happen any time going forward.

    When the farmer cuts a flower off the branch that branch suffers. It’s the same in the human kingdom. Ti and Do teaching that we just don’t see our root system so may think it doesn’t exist. DO had no reason to make up that Ti asked them not to contact Terri. He was owning that perhaps he delayed doing so but that remains to be seen. So that evidence and also the track history of how DO looked up to Ti provides a huge amount of common sense that indicated DO was telling the truth that It was Ti’s instruction to not tell Terri she proved it by not telling Terri about the loss of her eye when she easily could have over a two year period while we lived in the same state.

  3. carmelita Says:

    You are ignoring a lot of scripture. The prophecies of Rev can’t happen until the temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt and the temple is in full operation (eg sacrifices, etc.). And that is literal — there is no way around it. He was referring to the temple in Jerusalem. He wasn’t playing funny with the words. So the two witnesses haven’t appeared on the scene yet — they can’t. Countless thousands upon thousands have thought they were “the two” over the millennia, but the bible is crystal clear.

    Also, Jesus absolutely loved children — he wouldn’t have abandoned his children. Also, Jesus didn’t hide scared like Do did most of his life — hiding from the cult awareness network exactly as a cult leader would do.

    Do didn’t perform a single miracle for us either. He didn’t perform any for you, too. He didn’t cure the blind for instance. Ti said that the cancer would never kill her (“mark my words” she said).

    ertc.

    • sawyer Says:

      Carmelita,

      The only things Jesus said in regard to rebuilding the temple was referring to the temple as his body that he would rebuild in 3 days:

      Mar 14:57 And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying,
      Mar 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

      He did rebuild his human body. Ti and Do said that his metamorphosis was completed at the time documented as the Transfiguration.

      Curiously, the Greek word translated to “transfiguration” is metamorphoo and actually means “changed into another form” or to be transformed or changed.

      Ti said that it’s a characteristic of a Next Level Member to be able to heal the human body that was killed in 3 1/2 days.

      (Note how Ti didn’t go along with scripture in saying that as 3 1/2 days when the quotes from all the verses in this regard state it as “3”.)

      He also said all those stones that make up the temple (sacred place) would be thrown down, which has happened several times and may still happen again before it’s all done.

      Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
      Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

      There were two Greek words used to denote the temple.

      3485 naos {nah-os’}
      from a primary naio (to dwell); TDNT – 4:880,625; n m
      AV – temple 45, a shrine 1; 46
      1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure) 2) any heathen temple or shrine 3) metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ

      and

      2411 hieron {hee-er-on’}
      from 2413; TDNT – 3:230,349; n n
      AV – temple 71; 71
      1) a sacred place, temple 1a) used of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus 1b) used of the temple at Jerusalem
      The temple of Jerusalem consisted of the whole of the sacred enclosure, embracing the entire aggregate of buildings, balconies, porticos, courts (that is that of the men of Israel, that of the women, and that of the priests), belonging to the temple; the latter designates the sacred edifice properly so called, consisting of two parts, the “sanctuary” or “Holy Place” (which no one except the priests was allowed to enter), and the “Holy of Holies” or “the most holy place” (which was entered only on the great day of atonement by the high priest alone). Also there were the courts where Jesus or the apostles taught or encountered adversaries, and the like, “in the temple”; also the courts of the temple, of the Gentiles, out of which Jesus drove the buyers and sellers and the money changers, court of the women.

      He was said to be in Jerusalem for the usage of the former of the two but not necessarily for the later of these two definitions as it also meant a “sacred place”.

      In any case it is spelled out that use of “temple” referred to his body, the writers thought and that’s not without evidence but one has to do to Paul’s writings to find it.

      1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

      1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

      1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

      Further, Jesus said that Jerusalem would be left desolate. Jerusalem was both the “city of the Children of Israel” – the people who became the dedicated students of Moses and Elijah and then Jesus and the geographical location:

      Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
      Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

      The house was referring to that “household, the dwelling place for those who were the Children of Israel. In other words, the returning Souls would not be coming into Jewish vehicles thereafter is one of several ways that can all be accurate to witness.

      Desolation=
      2048 eremos {er’-ay-mos}
      of uncertain affinity; TDNT – 2:657,255; adjective
      AV – wilderness 32, desert 13, desolate 4, solitary 1; 50
      1) solitary, lonely, desolate, uninhabited 1a) used of places 1a1) a desert, wilderness 1a2) deserted places, lonely regions 1a3) an uncultivated region fit for pasturage 1b) used of persons 1b1) deserted by others 1b2) deprived of the aid and protection of others, especially of friends, acquaintances, kindred 1b3) bereft 1b3a) of a flock deserted by the shepherd 1b3b) of a woman neglected by her husband, from whom the husband withholds himself
      .
      So the only way the Middle east Jerusalem would “see him”, which also means understand it’s him is if some are blessed – given the opportunity by the Next Level to see someone who comes “in the name of the Lord” thus someone who is to some degree a student.

      Incidentally, DO and Lvvody and Jnnody took a trip to Israel sometime between late 1994 and their exit in 1997 as reported by Rio in his book. While I was still there DO talked about going there, even taking the entire class but it never felt right to do. He reported upon returning that he didn’t feel there was any Next Level Mind left there – thus it became dry of the capacity to have some “fruit” growing there.

      Next Jesus says the Kingdom of God would be given to a “nation…”:

      Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
      Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

      Nation =
      1484 ethnos {eth’-nos}
      probably from 1486; TDNT – 2:364,201; n n
      AV – Gentiles 93, nation 64, heathen 5, people 2; 164
      1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together 1a) a company, troop, swarm 2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus 2a) the human family 3) a tribe, nation, people group 4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles 5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians

      a Nation can refer to one or all of the following: a country and a people and an ethnicity, thus the Jewish people were not slated to experience the return.

      I don’t know that “countless thousands” have said they were the Two Witnesses but perhaps that’s true but Jesus said before he came there would be many who claimed to be prophets and/or false christs, even using his name – Jesus.

      But the Revelation doesn’t start with the Two Witnesses. They only come on the scene during the 6th Angels Trumpet Sounding. That means there were 5 soundings before they come public to speak inspired by God, the definition of to prophesy.

      Further we have evidence that there was planned a new Jerusalem both as an ethnicity and location:

      Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

      The word Spiritual here comes from the Greek, pneumatikos which is defined as “non-physical” by Strongs. Thus these listed areas will not be the same physical areas they represented when this was given.

      Since we know Jesus’ physical vehicle was killed in Jerusalem, there is also to be a new “Jerusalem, Sodom and Egypt”.

      Sodom comes from Cdom and it means “to scorch”;burnt (i.e. volcanic or bituminous) district and also was said to be near to the “dead sea” which was dead because it’s many times saltier than ocean water.

      Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when they, their bodies – their human reputations were shot down by the national press all over the US. Las Vegas is fairly close to the Saltan Sea in eastern California in a desert (scorched area). Egypt represents the greater area, defined as “two straights” or “two streets” which can depict two paths – or Two “Waves” in DO’s term, with first starting by Ti and Do’s Two Witness task and overcoming process and the second started by DO and crew from 1987 to 1997 as the return of the One who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus – seen by the world the most as Heaven’s Gate Cult, DO called the Cult of Cults and the Cult of truth. These two waves can also be seen as the First and Last harvest periods with the Last started AFTER their exit, during the time of the Seventh Trumpet sounding, thus now as described by the opening of the Seven Seals (Affirmation Periods/revealing of the remaining information related to their history in scripture – that was in the backside of their BOOK (Rev 5:1) and the Little Book (Rev 10).

      Apparently Los Angels area was to be the new “city of God’s “children” (angels)” (non physical location where the Two Witnesses are subdued and exit) – southern California. Their first meeting was in North Hollywood in April of 1975. Isaiah referred to Jerusalem as the “valley of vision” – it’s at the bottom of the San Fernando Valley. Pop culture even referred to girls growing up there as “valley girls”. San Francisco comes from St. Francis of Assisi. Ti said that her spirit guide helper was named “Brother Francis” and came from the the movie, Brother Sun Sister Moon about St. Francis who went against the mainstream church.

      Ti and Do were never slated to be “killed” but they were slated to bring on their own death of their vehicles but that was only going to happen after they were first “subdued”, said as “overcome” in most translations but not the primary definition:

      Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

      overcome = 3528 nikao nik-ah’-o from nike 3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively):–conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.

      Notice it’s “to subdue” which is also what each student needs to accomplish against their human vehicle and it’s influences. Notice how the Greek word is “nikao” from Nike so even wearing Nike sneakers can have some application to their defeat of their vehicles humanness.

      Plus in several places where these Two are revealed there are indicative scriptures of their student body being with them, which is why they came in the first place to collect and bring through their
      Spirit/Mind “birth canal”.

      The “and” between overcome and kill is a nondescript time period. and “kill them” comes from the Greek “apokteino auto” which is more accurately translated as “separated (or taken away from, or exiting) [by] dying themselves” which is how they exited, seen by much of the world as suicide.

      Even so, perhaps when Jesus returns as Ti and Do said would happen during the Seventh and Last “Closeness,” that was not to be a “teaching time” again but to receive to him those who affirmed themselves as his students by becoming students of Ti and Do, while they were incarnate and/or after they exited, the Jewish/Christian/Muslim temple mount in the geographic Jerusalem will be rebuilt and then brought down again. Jesus final return is described most in Revelation chapter 19.

      So the new temple, altar and court areas are respectively West of the Mississippi River – Western U.S.,(~1260 miles square), The Southwestern U.S. (where they came by crashing spacecrafts and where they exited from Escondido, both sacrificing their physical vehicles (as introduced in the Moses 1st Trimester Classroom) and the East of the Mississippi River US, Canada, England, Ireland, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand areas (primarily) and any other areas in the world where Ti and Do’s information was brought and made some impression on some. (All these areas mentioned were where DO and Crew put ads in new age periodicals in 1992, though their internet activity was global wide.)

      So the temple is both one’s vehicle they are trying to make into only the instrument of God, but is also the physical area where the Older Members and Crew come incarnate and deliver their teachings primarily to and juxtaposed over that physical location is the Next Level’s spacecraft, “heaven” that is removed from the planet during the 6th Seal opening and a new one is installed after the Judgement hour (~40 years) is up and all have chosen to whom to give their allegiance, between the Next Level Above Human and “Mammon” – what human seed bearing plants consider to be their wealth and treasure as shown in their allegiance to the BEASTS – the US and the EU.

      On Abandonment of human family:

      But Jesus did say that there would be some of his disciples who abandoned their children would receive a hundredfold in relationship to their new family that Jesus said he had consisting of his students.

      Mar 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
      Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,
      Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

      Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

      Having a New Family of fellow believers:

      Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
      Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
      Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
      Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

      Jesus did hide until he got instructions to lay down his life in Jerusalem:

      Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

      Mar 7:24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.

      The nature of the task was to hide enough to gather the Souls into their vehicles to become his students again. That’s why it was said he comes as a thief in the night, where night has to do with what Ti and Do called “undercover” which is in a large way accomplished by coming incarnate so no one can see their Next Level Mind unless they are given to see it and do the work to see it.

      Ti and Do hid so their classroom wouldn’t be interfered with before they had completed their task. Today it would be harder to hide the same activity as more people are suspect of every little thing that’s different and investigators can easily find anyone who legally works and lives and pays bills, etc. That will only get worse as days pass. We actually knew of several efforts to try to find us with the idea of pulling an adult out of the group as was happening to other cults. They also had several notifications that the FBI was looking for them – once because they wanted to question them regarding the rash of Cattle Mutilations in the western US in the early to mid 1970’s as with a number of mutilations a UFO was sighted nearby.

      Miracles:

      It’s interesting that Jesus didn’t consider miracles to be “signs” saying that the only sign would be his resurrection from the dead. He tried to keep the healing he did secret until after he left. There is no indication in prophecy that the Two Witnesses nor “Jesus” do any miracles. In fact there are a number of indications that if we saw miracles they were done by the lower forces, by the BEAST.

      Here Jesus is speaking about the time of his Kingdom’s return:

      Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

      Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

      Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

      The word “wonder” comes from Greek teras and also can be defined as: a prodigy, portent or miracle.

      The wonders/miracles were to be shown upon his return but they would all be in the literal heavens – outer space while signs or markers were to be shown on the earth but would be described as “blood (bloodshed, from famine, disease, war) and fire (lava, forest fire, drought, radioactivity, anger) and vapour of smoke (volcanic ash?)

      If we see miracles now they are not from the Kingdom of God. Here is a key set of examples generated by “another beast (poisonous human mammals)”:

      Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
      Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

      wonder and miracle= 4592 semeion {say-mi’-on}
      from a presumed derivative of the base of 4591; TDNT – 7:200,1015; n n
      AV – sign 50, miracle 23, wonder 3, token 1; 77
      1) a sign, mark, token 1a) that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known 1b) a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence, transcending the common course of nature 1b1) of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen 1b2) of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God’s

      Ti and Do said that miracles like Jesus did were not given when a student could still graduate.

      However, there were some accounts in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary that Ti and Do had special powers. In one they were said to just disappear when someone turned their back. When Ti and Do read that account from Hayden Hewes they laughed and said they just walked off.

      Also when Ti and Do were driving on a mountain road and the car behind them was obnoxiously wanting to pass and when they finally did gave Ti and Do the finger, Ti and Do later saw them off the road, crashed into a ditch, though they didn’t wish any harm to them but it does go along with one of the descriptions of the Two Witnesses to have that power if they chose to use it.

      I believe I recall DO saying some 90% of the miracles attributed to Jesus were “exaggerated.” He indicated that would generate only a temporary false sense of faith.

      True faith comes by putting into motion what is taught by the Older Members and seeing the changes in us and that gets carried on to future incarnations so that people come into vehicles now already having a degree of that faith where things Ti and Do say make sense to them. Anyone can gain that faith but they have to seek to have it by appealing to the highest source in the heaven’s they can reach for help to have it and see more of what’s true and real. If one doesn’t ask they don’t receive as much help though asking can take a number of forms conscious and subconscious.

      Ti and Do said that Jesus’ disciples were given various powers because none of them were ready to graduate.

      TI’s vehicle’s Cancer: (Commenter writes: “Ti said that the cancer would never kill her (“mark my words” she said)).”

      I never heard TI say that cancer would never kill her but even if she did it would have been referring to who she knew herself to be – an Older Member from the Next Level who could not be killed by anything that would happen to her while in the human kingdom. It could kill her vehicle only.

      Still, had she said that, it wouldn’t have phased me any more than I was phased by the other things that they changed along the way. I recognized who they were and still know who they are and they can do no wrong and that’s not actually a “blind faith” because I can show why it’s not blind.

      • carmelita Says:

        So when the Bible speaks explicitly about the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem, it really is referring to the entire planet?

        Wow.

        Why do you refer to the Bible at all if you can simply take whatever it says and change it so drastically?

        It is like your relationship with science: you believe a lot of it is fake, except the parts that fit into your mythology.

        The podcast referred to you as the “most devout living believer” in heaven’s gate or something like that. You’ve taken those beliefs and truly made them your own. I can’t imagine anyone now or in the future ever taking anything you say seriously again.

        I’m an atheist, so you aren’t doing any disservice to me.

      • sawyer Says:

        I never said anything equating the rebuilding of the temple to the entire planet but you will have to read what I wrote about it. In short Jesus was talking about his “body” as a temple and the rebuilding of it being the resurrection of it – a dead body brought to life as a Next Level Member. I included many examples and made my reply into a post.

        What specifically did I change in the bible? Be specific please as otherwise it’s useless to address.

        Saying “…a lot of it is fake” re: my relationship to science is another unspecific and inaccurate and exaggeration of how I think about science. What specifically did I say to give you that impression?

        If someone tells me that “the use of vaccination science is safe”, to me that is a false statement but that doesn’t mean I would say all use of vaccination science is unsafe. It actually has a bunch of factors that go into that “science”.

        If someone says the science of the study of comets proves comets are “dirty ice snowballs” as one could probably find some equivalent kind of statement made in old textbooks, I would consider that outdated science, specifically because we now know that a number of comets are not shaped like “balls” at all.

        that statement that the “devil is in the details” I think is actually in reverse. The devil (lies, deceit, manipulation) is most evident in the lack of details, whether with what people call “science” or in the “science of belief” and/or the science in historic records like the Bible for instance.

        I never said I was the most devout living believer. They said that without my prompting and it means nothing to me to compare myself with anyone else except with Ti and Do. Even if I am one of the most visible or most wordy, etc. that doesn’t mean that visibility gives me stature in the Next Level’s eye as their judgement criteria isn’t from a human shallow (in comparison) perspective.

        They also said Ben Zeller was their Heaven’s Gate expert knows the most of anyone about Heaven’s Gate which is impossible if he doesn’t believe in anything Ti and Do taught. He’s missing an entire dimension of thought that as a fish in the earth fishbowl, like the rest of us, he can’t know about unless he entertains the possibilities.

        Yes, I have taken what Ti and Do and Jesus taught and made them my beliefs.

        I don’t care to do any disservice to anyone. DO said atheism is a good step because he knew how corrupt the religions have become and that’s what most disbelieve in, unless they were taught to disbelieve by their parents and environment, society they were raised within and never questioned what they were taught. That’s the same for a religionist. If they don’t question for themselves what they were taught then they stand to remain unaware of what more there is to the topic, whatever that topic is.

        But if a question presupposes the outcome so one is strictly posing a question they don’t really have, then I doubt they will be open to an answer should it be provided unless they change.

      • sawyer Says:

        If you research the meaning of myth you will see that it’s just a “story” without judgement of it’s factual basis or imagination. So yes I have made Ti and Do’s science of mind/spirit into my story and I believe that story is true and the truth is what is most real even if it’s almost impossible for certain others to see it as true.

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