DO Audio Tape Transcript 5.23.1994 – Inverness, CA – Part 1 of 2

DO Audio Tape Transcript 5.23.1994 – Inverness, CA – Part 1 of 2

(Transcribed by Nisha and Edited by Sawyer)

Sawyer note: At about 8:20 DO talks about why he was fired from the Episcopal church where he worked as the head of music – because of the response to an article that came out that described what TI and Do were teaching at the Unitarian church – theosophy and metaphysics. He made no mention of having an affair with a student, which I had read may have happened in the 1960’s, before he became divorced though it’s applied in some media as a current event to TI and Do’s beginning together.

In DO telling this story, it’s also apparent where DO met TI in 1972 in a hospital where TI worked as a nursery nurse – taking care of preemie babies but at the time of their meeting was subbing for another nurse and was delivering a prescription to someone who was sick in the hospital who DO was visiting. Hence the misinformation still repeated that they met in a psychiatric hospital where DO was allegedly a patient was just wrong. One evidence of that is what psychiatric hospital also has a ward for newborns?

DO made no bones about his vehicle’s living as what was then called a homosexual life style and being very sexual and mingling in high society and engaging in alcohol usage. TI expressed that DO’s vehicle got into all the things that were needed for him to be able to relate to students who had made those things their behaviors and ways, to help them overcome them as he did. That overcoming for him even began up to a year before he met TI.

This story of DO and TI’s beginning, that he tells in this tape, He and TI told their students in the 1980’s, if I recall even a couple times in parts before TI left her vehicle in 1985. Then DO wrote about it in the document; ’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew, which is part of the Heaven’s Gate Book still posted on Heavensgate.com. DO also spoke about it in the first of the twelve part video series entitled, Beyond Human – The Last Call that students appeared with him on, including me, as a “helper” task.

To me this is very important for the integrity of the true story to draw from all the sources as much as possible to have a comprehensive portrayal of the whole truth. This way people would be able to recognize what in the media that is still repeated by recent articles was misinformation and even disinformation as some slant a story the way they want to, to sell it, whether they do this consciously or not.

The setting of this meeting was just 5 months into DO’s splitting us up into 4 groups, of which I was a part, outfitting us with vans and camping gear to begin holding public meetings again. This effort began on January 1, 1994 (though we had two preliminary meetings  was after nearly 17 years (1976 to 1993) of virtual silence towards the public at large while students were led through the overcoming of humanness process that pushed out students who were not serious enough.

So in attendance of these Inverness meetings were some of the older students and the new students who had just joined after attending a meeting that was put on by one or more of the 4 groups (that became 5 groups as new students joined). Most if not all of the new students joined without having met DO, so these for some may have been their first meetings) with DO. Public meetings ended in Boston, MA on August 18th 1994. For a detailed list of all the meeting locations and dates from 1975-1976 and then in 1994 refer to section 6 of the Heaven’s Gate Book, also available on my blog; sawyerhg.wordpress.com

Audio tape begins:

DO: I don’t want to approach a meeting as casually as we approached this one. As far as noise and yikkidy yak and so forth. And we feel that it’s more appropriate for you to find your seats and make some order and be quiet for a few minutes and try to quiet your brain a little so that when we start to talk you’re in a little more receptive frame of Mind rather than my having to talk about it like we’re doing now. So let’s try make a habit of that so when we meet we try get our shuffling done before we meet.

In the night, I realized that there were a couple of things we started to talk about in our last meeting that we didn’t finish and I know you have full tummies and you didn’t get much rest last night and I don’t know if you had a chance for a nap today but I know that probably some of you didn’t get a chance, maybe some of you did? Did some of you get a little nap? Some wanted naps and some didn’t. Did you get a nap? (asking a student) well, I just really want you to do your best to be as alert as you can and as receptive as you can and I also want you to if a question comes to your mind, jot a little word or two down so that you remember the question, and ask it and I would welcome you.

I started telling you last night about TI and Do and their jail time and something happened and we got on something else and I thought well they could wonder all kinds of things about TI and Do and their jail time. Just to give you a little brief understanding of that.

One of our students — or the first person who came with us said wherever you go I want to go and we didn’t know what was happening we had just awakened.

But we had shared with this individual whose vehicle just happens to be a sister of one of the vehicles in the classroom now but we had shared with this individual what we were aware of during our clumsy period of trying to accept some Next Level Mind in and she said is there any way I could tag along? And for a while we said no, maybe we could meet you for a day or two from town to town we’ll let you know what direction we’re going and maybe we’ll meet you and then we’ll go our way and you go yours and we could meet you again.

So this went on for a while and she had a petroleum company credit card that she said this would help you some I know your needs are great I want you to feel free to use this credit card for gas money. And the funny thing is, I think we used the credit card two or three times and that’s all we used it and we kept feeling uncomfortable about using it.

On Christmas Eve, I don’t remember the year but it was the year of Kohoutek I do remember that. Anyone know what year that is? Sometime in the 70s after 72 before 75 after 72 – somewhere there 73 or 74. TI and I found ourselves in a, you know, TI’s vehicle and this vehicle, the vehicles came from environments and backgrounds that were very comfortable, like many of you came from comfortable backgrounds but when this change was happening we were compelled to go with it and we had no concern for anything else and in the process, as I began to tell you, friends dropped away, family turned against us and I don’t know if some of you knew that this vehicle’s dad was a minister and this was extreme for a Presbyterian minister and this vehicle had become a Episcopalian and you know that really upset the minister to go to another denomination.

TI was a, which I think is extremely interesting symbolism because TI’s vehicle was a nurse in the nursery yet TI didn’t see the infants the way humans see infants. TI saw them completely different. What she would do is if she took a special interest in one of the infants she’d go do a horoscope on them. (class laughs)

And of course TI came from a very strong Baptist background but the more that she was beginning to awaken and her life was beginning to fall apart, one of the strange things that happened when TI and I met, when this vehicle was visiting someone in the hospital and TI came into the room to administer some prescription to the person in the hospital. So in addition to tending to the nursery she also tended to some of the patients in the room and that’s where this vehicle met TI was in the room while this vehicle was visiting someone sick in the hospital.

And from that day on it was madness because there was something that we had to do together and it was difficult to accept and I tried to stop it and TI would try to stop it and yet we were still compelled to do it and we didn’t know why we felt compelled to do it. I’m giving you just a real rushed – the older classmates have heard this in probably longer form.

And during that little time that we were working together and of course TI had family and this vehicle had already separated from family and children and had gone another direction and we opened a little place first called: Christian Arts Centre at the Unitarian church.

And in the Unitarian church we were studying everything people wanted to study, Eastern religions, metaphysics, Theosophy and the Unitarians thought it was great. And of course at the same time this vehicle was the head of the music at a large episcopal church and in that city an article had come out that we had opened this Christian Arts centre and we were teaching theosophy and study all of these crazy things and within a week the vehicle was fired from that task and people just very rapidly started turning away from us and wanting nothing to do with us.

The Christian Arts centre then moved way out in the country in order to get away from people and opened a place called “Know place” K-N-O-W. And at Know Place students came there and studied metaphysics and of course this vehicle was studying metaphysics as fast as it could study metaphysics because TI had a real running start and TI had to slow me down because I was so preoccupied with things the vehicle could read to try to catch up on that study – now all of this happened in a period of a very few months.

The Christian Arts centre had occurred in the summertime of whatever it was, 72,73 and by that December 31st or January 1st of that same year we had left that town altogether so we had Christian Art centre and Know Place that taught all these students and when we were out of town we said we can’t be relationship with – this vehicle was also teaching in a Catholic university and strange combination wasn’t it but because of what we were into and the grapevine was getting around and even though it was a large town – oh and also because TI said to me “we’ve got to live under the same roof” and I said, well what’s your husband going to say? and TI just, she didn’t see any problem! (class laughs)

I couldn’t understand how she could not see a problem with that and I said well I see how there could be a problem with that and she said oh no he’ll understand! And because he was the first one to make a major contribution to the Christian Arts centre and Know Place and then she went and announced to him that we were going to be in this separate place and I don’t know why but the Next Level just blinded her and she thought he was going to accept it and of course he didn’t.

And he thought that I wanted to steal TI from him because of human interest in her and all the people that or most of the people who knew us all this vehicles relationships and friends had thought I had been bewitched by this witch and I’m not saying TI would ever consider herself a witch, certainly not. But felt that I was under her spell and the same thing all of TI’s friends and relations had thought I was the demon that had come in and destroyed her marriage and her relationship with her children and all.

Well, this went at a very accelerated pace and the husband would stop me in the middle of intersection in town and try to pick a fist fight in the middle of the intersection with me because I was messing up his life and we had to get a court order to keep him from coming and tearing up things at Know Place and things were just madness.

And we didn’t know what was happening – all of a sudden the university job was going down the drain and work at the episcopal church was going down the drain and TI was working less and less at the hospital and we were spending more and more time at Know Place. And students were coming to Know Place and the girl I spoke of was a student at Know Place.

When we left at midnight of December 31st, it was strange that we left that town at midnight December 31st and 31 days… we left there and we went off to a – we rented a little ranch house in the hill country and we didn’t know why but we knew we had to be isolated and then things started happening very rapidly and TI said we can’t stay here and we have to make a living we can’t just stay here, we’re going to have to earn a living whatever it is we got to do or trying to do we’ve got to earn a living and I said we’re going to be taken care of and TI said well I don’t know who in the world you think is going to take care of us and so TI went and took a job at a nearby hospital for 3 days I think, until that was the end of that and after that we were just doing whatever we could to survive – which meant we were doing anything. We were janitoring at churches, we were painting rocks, anything to get by. With no concern at all of what we’d put in our tummies or what we would put on our backs or how long it was between laundry it was like all of a sudden nothing meant anything to us except what we were doing, whatever it was we just really didn’t know what we were doing.

And this individual when Kohoutek came we found ourselves in St. Louis in a snowstorm and first of all fast we went to Los Angeles in that hilltop area we lived on money we picked up out of the beach. Down on Hermosa Beach the waves would wash in coins. I mean literally wash in coins and we could make 5 or 6 dollars a day picking up coins that would wash up on the beach. That was all the Taco Bell and all the tostadas that we needed and then some! And we did that for a while the we migrated – all we had was a little sports car that was Do’s vehicles – just a little Fiat 2 seater sports car, two suitcases tied on the back of a little sport scar and we migrated to Las Vegas and stayed in a backroom of a metaphysical centre of a very dear friend (DO chokes up a bit) named Berta who still has a metaphysical centre there and when we had a group there that gave a meeting there years ago he stood up and said “These guys are for real. They were with me for so long a time and I believe everything They said”. And he gave a really good testimony at one of our meetings and then migrated up to Oregon and found ourselves in Portland, coming down the hill from Mt. Hood the engine blew on the little sports car and just died a death across the street from an Ananda Marga house so we spent the next two months in the Ananda Marga house sleeping on the floor of the Ananda Marga house. And they were very good to us and they were very interested in what was going on with us and we were regular attendants at the theosophical chapter in the town and whatever else that we could learn we spent hours just like we spent hours at this little chapel here we had a friend offered us a house to could stay for a couple weeks here in Inverness.

We told what we knew, which was bits and pieces, to a writer who lived in the house behind us who was the same writer who did the story for Jurassic Park. And he was very very interested in everything we had to say and he would come back and just want more of whatever we had to say and all of a sudden one day he was angry at us it was like we were demons and we were filling his head with stuff that would ruin his life and he didn’t want to hear another word, just very suddenly.

Well we had – after we were in the Ananda Marga house we moved while we were in one town somebody ran into the back of the sport car and an insurance claim came through for the damage that was done to the sport scar and it was 1600 dollars and boy were we rich all of a sudden, 1600 dollars. We bought an old jalopy in Portland and we put some decent tires on it – actually the money came through after we had bought the jalopy because we had gone to Gold Beach and we had no money at Gold Beach, Oregon and we were back on the Rogue river at the Hideaway Campground and all we could do was study the Bible and freeze to death bathing in that Rouge river and stayed in a little station wagon.

We had a cot in the back of the station wagon and one slept in the cot and one slept on the floor and we were there weeks and weeks by ourselves and we ate blackberries off the tree. We painted stones with astrological signs on them and sold them on the street on Gold Beach to make enough money to buy cream and sugar to put on the blackberries. And that’s all we had was blackberries with cream and sugar and we thought it was a feast, the blackberries were delicious and we never got tired of them. And then we just started lacing the country and we went though southern Canada a time or two just doing anything we could to get by – every kind of odd – We dug test tanks for septic tanks near Grants Pass… something rapids – Savage Rapids! And we dug these two six foot two foot wide things in this backyard for 20 dollars to buy us food.

I’m just telling you all the crazy things because we didn’t care what we did we did anything. And it didn’t matter, it really didn’t matter and we usually bathed in streams, with castile bars of soap that you can buy cheap and it was our shampoo and everything. These were vehicles that had been very particular and yet it meant nothing to us during this time nothing. Well we just laced the country doing anything and everything.

And that car we called Serpentine that old green station wagon that had served as our house died in St. Louis during a snowstorm on the night of the Kohoutek and – no that’s not quite right, it died in Charlotte North Carolina and we took a plane from Charlotte to St. Louis and I can’t remember why we did that but we took this plane but I had a credit card in my pocket that was still good and we had a lot of credit cards but didn’t want to use them but here was a credit card, still a good credit card and we had faith that if we used it’ll be okay to pay for it we didn’t have to worry about it – but anyhow we got to St. Louis at midnight and here we found ourselves at the airport and even we got off the plane there we were at a rental car place so we took the same credit card and said well we don’t have a car we don’t know what to do – let’s just rent a car until we know what we’re going to do so we rented this car and it was a Comet so it was a Mercury Comet, a brand new Mercury Comet and we rented that car and continued to lace the country and we’d go and talk to people, we’d talk to ministers anybody we could talk to and we were thrown out of place – out of place and archbishops would kick us out of the church and sometimes simple evangelists who had no education at all were frequently more interested in what we had to say but we visited – we went to Billy Graham’s home we went to Fallwells home in Lynchburg, Virginia and all these TV evangelists and tried to tell them what we wanted to tell them. Most of them wouldn’t see us – Oral Robert’s wouldn’t see us. I mean unless we had an appointment unless we were one of their followers, they didn’t care what we had to say.

Anyhow we rented this car and were oblivious to the fact that we had rented this car longer, it dawned on us that we had rented this car for longer than we originally intended to rent it for. So we wrote them a letter and said don’t worry about it we’ll pay you, we’re going to keep the car a little while longer and then I remember a little while longer we wrote a second letter and said ‘Don’t worry’ – this was to the company we rented the car from.

And then we were in Brownsville, Texas and we went to see this reporter and we told the reporter we had a story to tell him that was the most important story of his life and he said we’ll meet you somewhere because we said that we wanted to meet him in private and meet somewhere where we could talk to him long enough and we could really have a chance to tell our story to him.

Well we had no idea what this guy thought and this reporter thought we were going to tell him about illegal drugs coming across the Mexican border and so he had placed policeman and undercover police around the motel and all and we saw all these people standing around obvious that something strange was going on because they were watching us and here we went in to talk to him and said what are all these men halfway up the stairs down at the bottom of the stairs and in the door? And he said I don’t know maybe it’s because of your story and we got frightened. We left the motel and we took off running and immediately they thought uh-oh something’s wrong we were running from police, even though they hadn’t identified themselves as police but since we were running then they chased us and we went and got into our little Comet and started driving away from there as fast as we could go scared to death not knowing what was happening and next thing you know a helicopter came down with a loud speaker and cars coming from all directions and they were saying “Stop this car!” and the helicopter landed right in front of us, it was better than the movies and we were scared to death.

They didn’t know why they had stopped us because we were running and as they were doing a check on the car, on the licence of the car, the car had come back stolen and they put us in jail and we asked what the chargers were and he said “Stolen automobile” and I said what charges for TI? and they said, “Stolen credit card” – “petroleum credit card”.

Because the girl that had offered us the credit card did not know that her husband reported his card stolen to prevent anybody from using them so anyhow we were thrown into the Brownsville jail. I mean the Brownsville jail was like the livin end. Might was well been in Mexican jail. I’m not talking about any prejudice against Mexicans I’m just talking about these being hard jails. There wasn’t English spoken we were thrown in — well at least I was thrown into a small room half the size of this with 40 criminals that couldn’t speak English with double bunks you know you couldn’t crawl between them with one shower in the middle of the room and that was it. TI was a little luckier because the female ward wasn’t that full. It was funny because there was a girl in there that everyone thought was a looney tunes but the minute TI went in she said “Boy, you’ve got antennas!” (class laughs) “I’ve never seen anybody with antennas before”.

When TI and I were at Know Place and doing the things we were doing we had gone through the care to get scarab rings that meant something to us because while we were awakening we were studying Egyptology and all these things and when I went in the jail I didn’t realize I had it on and here’s this fellah in the cell that immediately saw it and immediately wanted it. And he offers to protect me if I gave him that ring, which I very quickly did. (class laughs) He was in for murder he had – there were several in the cell that were in for murder and there were some real looney tunes in the cell as well. Plus they would shoot up at night until they were just out of their minds and the behavior in the middle of the night was just unbelievable and I was glad I had some protection because this guy would go around fanning his hands with razor blades to keep anybody away from me and away from him. I had given him that gold scarab ring and so he was protecting me. I hated to give up that ring and I really really hated to give up that ring but I got protection.

Well the car rental company immediately dropped charges had no problem when it was reported to them that the car had been found but the district attorneys office in St. Louis where the car was rented decided that he was going to make some political points so he said he was going to follow through on the crime so I was extradited to St. Louis.

TI was moved to a jail in Houston and TI spent all together 30 days in jail and the charges were dropped on the credit card because the girl had had her husband drop the chargers so there’s no record on TI’s case but I had a little public defender in my case that kept saying: listen this is a Mickey mouse case, nothing to it. I’ll take care of it. And I kept staying and waiting and in the meantime while I was trying to get out of jail she was working as a nurse in the hospital trying to pay a lawyer to try to help me get out of jail and finally the public defender said if you would just plead guilty there would be no question about it because you would just get time served because your case is taking so long to get on the docket. I didn’t even bother thinking of the ramifications of pleading guilty, I was interested in getting out. So I plead guilty. And that’s what got me in the courtroom to finally get my case on the docket.

Anyhow, I used to read these Dell horoscope magazines in jail and I picked February 13th. On February the 7th I read the 13th – whatever it said for the horoscope for this vehicle and I said that’s the day I was going to see the judge that was the day I went to see the judge and I was released that day from the court and got a sentence of 4 months and I’d already served 6, so like I’ve said, they owe me two.

But I am a convicted felon in the eyes of the law. Now, you could say oh isn’t that awful – this vehicle’s family members visited that little Brownsville jail and they could not believe that I had lost my sanity and let this woman that we call TI lead me into whatever it was, Satanism, you know, bewitched, under her spell. And of course her friends and family thought the same of me. I watched the ones who had saw this vehicle as the shining star of the family you know the one who got more education, did all these things that they always wanted someone they could be proud of who ended up going nutty.

The point I’m making here is that the biggest favor the Next Level could do in having us move at an accelerated place was to have events occur in a way that our credibility was lost in a hurry. We were so naive that we would write long letters about what we were receiving to individuals that we still thought were individually our friends in the world. Trying to tell them about what was true, and that ended their relationship with us because we were then looney tunes in everybody’s eyes.

A strange thing happened. The mother of TI’s vehicle never once turned against us. (DO chokes up some) And that was extraordinary. She didn’t understand but she trusted us – she never once even said we even know that she never even said anything off color to any of the relatives in TI’s family. Her position was I don’t understand what’s going on but I trust they believe what they’re doing. Even though she had seen her daughter leave her husband and her children in a matter of months – life turned in a completely other direction. I feel that was remarkable, very special that she was capable of doing that.

Now I’m not saying that it’s necessarily true that every individual who wants to move in an accelerated pace in their overcoming of your worldliness has to lose all credibility in the world but it did us a great favor – I mean we both left all kinds of debts behind and left the vehicles loved ones behind – we ended up jailbirds I mean everything was blackened as far as our credibility was concerned which really helped because all we had was this pursuit and each other doing this pursuit.

So when you read what Jesus said to his disciples about you’ll be hated by all men and they’ll say all manner of evil falsely against you for my sake, that’s true, that’s true, and I know you all have experienced that. If you haven’t you may yet have it to experience. Some of you have experienced it more than once, a number of times. Well, I felt that it was important that you really understand that I felt the Next Level did us a favor to give us an accelerated ruination of credibility in the human world.

Also in the night I felt that TI was saying that I didn’t quite carry the analogy that we were talking about as far as using the little analogy of horses and how man goes out to find horses and the thought that was given to me that if you would even think of the vehicles that you’re occupying in that same analogy.

Think of these as those horses that got picked. And that you are not the horse, you’re the rider. And you have to break the horse. You have to break the horse. I don’t know if you’ve ever broken a horse, this vehicle has broken horses and I imagine some of you have broken horses but when you break a horse it means that the horse resists – it doesn’t  want to give up its wildness didn’t want to be controlled it does not want to do what the rider on it is telling it to do. It wants to throw the rider off but the rider stays on until the horse quits fighting and says you’re going to do what I tell you to do and nothing else. Some horses can’t be broken. Either that or the riders aren’t persistent enough in breaking it.

Now as I said to you that I don’t believe the Next Level ever put a deposit in a vehicle that was incapable of being broken by a strong willed driver or rider. And the vehicle that you’re wearing and it’s programming – it’s genetic programing it’s educational programing it’s parentage all of its programing is part of the package that has to be broken. Listen you are occupying a living animal that has responses that even shock you at times the way it responds. I’ve experienced that many times. I would think that all of you would realize that your vehicle has responded at times that would shock your mind. What you want to work toward is not my seeing a vehicle that the rider is trying to get a hold of but you want to see how fast, you have so much control of that, that when I look at that vehicle I see the Rider and not the horse. Because the rider has so much control of the horse that it’s the rider that then is projecting. The horse isn’t saying: ‘I’m sleepy, I’m hungry, I’m tired of listening to this or that or I don’t agree with that or what’s he doing that for?, what’s she doing that for? All these crazy things that are emanations of this animal that you’re wearing. You think I’m talking theory now but you have to come in and take over that vehicle.

Even if you — if you the mind, now wait a minute. Where is that mind? That mind that’s filling that soul is Next Level mind therefore it is not perishable mind – it’s days are not numbered it experiences no pain it has no handicaps that Mind is free it has no age at all it has no limitations it’s only the house that has limitations. So when the Mind is running the house its no different – then suddenly just a piece of machinery suddenly playing out if the machinery played out.

You follow what I’m saying? But you’re still – you have not and this is in varying degrees from individual to individual you have not identified with the amount of Mind that is now in your soul that has been given to you from the Next Level – that Mind has to increase so fast that you identify only with that Mind. Not the vehicle not with the old mind not the mind of the creature you are wearing. That creature has a mind of its own just like the horse in the corral has a mind of it’s own and you’ve got to put it in its place you’ve got to train it so that the slightest hand on those reigns makes the horse go this way and he’s just waiting for that signal from you as to whether he’s to back up, go left right, forward or which kind of canter it is exactly so that you’re so sensitive – he is getting his joy manifesting your desires – that vehicle you are wearing can even find a type of pride in serving you if you get control enough of that vehicle you’re wearing.

It can even be pleased it can become refined for the first time it can begin to act more like the Mind, within limits. You have to at least have enough control that the vehicle never does any behavior both mental or physical that can make a fool of you or pitch you on the ground or run you into the fence or whatever else it might do and that not making a fool of you has to be around the clock it can’t just be when you’re in meetings or when you’re with classmates or other times it has its ways and suddenly you wake up and say ugh I let the vehicle have its way, I’m not going to let that happen again and then it does it again and you say oh I let the vehicle have its way. That’s not breaking the horse. That’s the mind taking over. You have to experience enough abstinence of animal behavior in order to receive enough of that Next Level Mind for that Mind to begin to take over. Without experiencing enough abstinence of human thinking and behavior you’re not opening the door for that mind to begin to take over. It’s that same analogy we used last night that the higher octane that is Next Level Mind cannot come in if there’s still lower octane mind in there or if it begins to creep back in or you permit it to come back in, it will go right out – you have to work twice as hard to get it back in because it’s not convinced you want it in because you just made a fool of yourself and made a liar of your intentions.

Now we all go through periods of difficulty in breaking the horse. But the Next Level is like the Marine Corp it just wants a few good men and that means strong men, and I’m not talking male I’m talking individuals we don’t get service in the Next Level by loving the Next Level and thinking this is just a real sweet trip. It’s hard work there is no task on this planet to compare to the work that it takes to keep your head free of doubt and judgment and human thoughts and human behavior or all the things that will stand in your way. Don’t forget TI still sets you up in order to develop your strength because the Next Level wants a few good servants they don’t need masses. They don’t need any of us. They don’t need me. I need Them. Without Them I am nothing but TI does not need me, TI could drop me like that because TI’s allegiance is to TI’s Older Members.

*** end of tape – it continues onto tape two of this meeting ***

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