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DO Reduces the Requirements to Leave with Him By Updating “Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure”

December 15, 2017

Over September 25-26, 1995 DO and Crew posted a document to 95 usenet groups using the handle, Doe@Ti.Lah. The name of the document was:

Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure

Then in January of 1997 He edited that document and updated it that included a new title:

Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure

This updated version is what he included in their book:

“How and When ‘Heaven’s Gate’ (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered” which they called “An Anthology of Our Materials”

(Both the original post and the final version are included near the end of this document)

I compared the two documents and found 25 primary differences. There were a couple more that amounted to use of the phrase “Level Above Human”, when it had been, “Kingdom of Heaven” that I didn’t include all of in this comparison.

Before I show the details of all the changes here is a brief summary with my comments:

Changes 1 and 2: The Title was changed to add quote marks around the word, Jesus. Also referring to himself as Jesus is removed from the first line in the body of the document.

Explanation: DO, nor TI ever claimed to be Jesus though he said he and TI were from the “same Level Above Human (Kingdom of God, in the literal Heaven’s) Family as Jesus” and came incarnate to fulfill all his prophecies to include those in the Book of Revelation that was for the purpose of gathering the same Souls who had “any significant relationship with Jesus” and/or the information He provided, to lead them through the completion of their “Soul – spirit/mind birth” into membership in the Level Above Human.

Ti and Do said they were not “Jesus” because that was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level prepared and took over to perform the task through and for this stage of the graduation, “harvest of fruit” process they needed new human vehicles. They also said, Jesus would come back as the “7th Closeness” where they were providing the “6th Closeness” in the prophesying task described in the Book of Revelation, chapter 11 as the Two Witnesses.

After I left the classroom in 1994, re-starting my human life that included starting a family, after they exited the human vehicles (bodies) in 1997, I began to re-awaken, mostly via dreams, to providing service to Ti and Do again. By 2001 I began to write and eventually wrote a book, entitled, “TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses”.

Over 15 years researching and writing the book, I can to understand that these “closenesses” that TI and DO wrote about by 1976, shown in the book, UFO Missionaries Extraordinary aligned with Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus.

TI said the Soul now in the vehicle named DO was the same Soul who had incarnated for all those 5 and now 6 Next Level closenesses. Thus DO, the Soul was Jesus but he was not that same vehicle.

However in Revelation chapter 19 it appears that He, whom we last know of as DO, is slated to return in his same vehicle that was named Jesus, referring to that “clothing” His Soul would “wear,” as having been “dipped (baptized) in blood” and had the name “King of Kings” and “Lord of Lords” written on it’s “thigh” – from His conquering/overcoming of the human vehicle he “stood up” for his Father in Heaven inside of that brought about it’s metamorphic transformation into a Next Level vehicle. This vehicle was described in scripture as his “glorified body” and as a “celestial body”.

– Change 5: DO removes suggesting their M.O. this time was to arrive via “UFO Crashes”

– Change 8: DO removes stating as a fact that two Older Members visited with him (while incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus) on the mount of Transfiguration.

– Change 10 – DO adds that he will again be hated for his “blasphemy” because of who he says he is and hated by families, etc. because he (and TI) required disciples to leave all behind.

– Change 11 – DO adds that some chose to have their vehicles neutered.

– Change 12 – changes stating those students who bond with Next Level through him “will also lay down their human bodies” to say instead that they “must also prepare to lay down their human bodies”. Also eliminated was the indication that a natural death would not qualify as a laying down of one’s body – leaving what defines “laying down of bodies”.

– Change 13 – again changes “lay down” our human bodies to “prepare to lay down our bodies”.

– Change 14 – adds that exchanging old mind for the mind that flows through him will “cost” them everything of this world.

– Change 15 – outlines how someone who looks to he and his students for all their needs to the best of their ability to align themselves with them and break their human bonds, if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to laying down of their bodies they TOO will find themselves in the safekeeping of that Kingdom and towards further nourishment towards membership in the Next Kingdom.

– Change 16 – DO removes this section from the original. In it, DO suggests getting a firearm and learning how to shoot it, with the idea that being seen by authorities as a radical, if authorities sought to arrest such a believer, where no crime was committed, if they had a firearm and the authorities knew it, the authorities wouldn’t hold back from killing someone which would become one’s laying down of their human vehicle’s life to allow to happen by not submitting to what they command.

– Change 17 – an addition that they may not be required to lay down their lives.

– change 18 – DO changes the description of those who can likely be identified as losing respect for this world and/or having a deposit. They are not automatically the homeless or prisoners or drug or alchohol users, religious radicals or other suppressed segments of society or “sinners” from the viewpoint of the establishment.

– Change 19 – includes his students as representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven that are here NOW with Him.

– Change 22 – suggests how it “appears” some of the staged crashed spacecrafts was how some arrived rather than a certainty.

– Change 24 – Adds that those who “accept us and endure until we leave will go with us and not experience the spading under or recycle of the planet and will become beginners in teh real kingdom of heaven.

– Change 25 – Deletes requirement to “drop the ways of this world and all it’s addictions and ties NOW. He removes saying his is the last bus out of this civilization.

As is the pattern for the Next Level when they bring one of theirs incarnate to teach students through, as demonstrated by Jesus and by TI and DO operating as partners and then by DO, They say and do things that bring great challenges to those they gather from the human kingdom. Everything they say is true, but in application will at times appear not to be, as that puts followers to the test to show whether they truly recognize the Older Members and/or their information or not. The Older Members then become instruments for the Next Level to sort out of the group those who aren’t of the same readiness to graduate in the FIRST WAVE of the overall harvest of Souls into membership in the Next Level.

Thus, I believe DO was blocked from certain perspectives and in this example of this document posted things that were not the most accurate way of understanding things, because it gave those that didn’t receive a soul deposit or tag a reason to not believe in who he really was.

For instance, relative to this document having the name Jesus, not in quotes was taken by some as evidence that DO wasn’t the promised return because Jesus said not to believe someone who comes “in my name, saying I am the Christ”, where his name when he said that was Jesus. Thus if someone comes saying they are Jesus don’t believe them. Even though DO did not come saying he was Jesus, when he came public with TI, after TI left her vehicle, which was also part of the design and served as a test for students, He did realize He needed to “Be Who We are” which he said to students in 1987 and then proceeded to figure out how to present themselves as who they are, where they refers to the student true “saints” also having to stand up now for who they were 2000 years ago.

Those Souls who were with Jesus, when they came back knew him, knew his teachings and knew his “voice” – his Mind/Spirit, thinking, behaviors and ways, so knew they could trust everything He/They said and did, while those who hadn’t received that portion of His Mind might have doubts and questioning of things He/They would say that became a separator, though if they still kept on seeking could also take their next step towards graduation, just probably not with the FIRST Wave but with the LAST Wave instead or could choose to ignore or even go against Them altogether.

All the primary changes to this document show this filtering process at work.

This way, no one is left out of having the opportunity to take their own next best step towards being part of the Level Above Human graduation classrooms.

So here is the line by line changes made to the first document to arrive at the final document:

1) Title:

Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure

Changed to:

Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure

2) First Statement:

I, Jesus — Son of God — acknowledge on this date of September 25/26, 1995:

Changed to:

A member of the Kingdom of God — the Evolutionary Level Above Human — I, who am called Do, acknowledge that:

3) B.

B. My Father’s Kingdom is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul — mind or spirit — and not the body they “wear.”

Changed to:

B. The Evolutionary Level Above Human is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul – and its mind or spirit – and not the “flesh” or physical body they “wear.”

4) B.2.

2. This time, my Heavenly Father came with me. In the early 1970’s, we each incarnated into an adult human body which was in its forties. Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated in a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to — during — and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

changed to:

2. This time, my Heavenly Father – my “Older Member” – came with me. In the early 1970’s, we incarnated into adult human bodies which were in their forties. Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated into a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to – during – and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

5) B.3.

3. Each time we, or others from the Kingdom of Heaven, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Kingdom. The M.O. for many of us this time was to arrive in staged “UFO crashes.”

changed to:

3. It seems that each time we, or others from the Level Above Human, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Next Level.

6) B.4.

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven — the Kingdom of God.

Changed to:

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven – the Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

7) C.

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as God in the early stages of this civilization.

changed to:

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as the “True God” in the early stages of this civilization.

8) C.5. is deleted:

5. The last time I incarnated, My Heavenly Father’s physical relationship with me was unknown to others except when He, along with another Older Member in the Kingdom of God, visited with me (in the place that is referred to as the Mount of the Transfiguration) just prior to my putting myself in the hands of the authorities in order to lay down my human body.

9) C.6. becomes C.5. and changes “Kingdom of Heaven” to “Level Above Human”

10) 5.B. addition:

Now that I am surfacing again, I will again be hated for my “blasphemy” (of who I say I am) and hated by those families and others that are affected by all who aspire to leave with us, because this mission requires that they forsake all ties and binds to this world (family ties, responsibilities, and human-mammalian indulgences).

11) 8.A – now 7.A. addition:

Some in the class have chosen on their own to have their vehicles neutered in order to sustain a more genderless and objective consciousness.

12) 8.B now named 7.B with changes of “will lay down their human bodies” to “prepare to lay down their human bodies”. Also eliminated was the indication that a natural death would not qualify as a laying down of one’s body. In other words one can lose their body through a natural death and still be considered a student who can successfully bond to the Level Above Human. It also deleted the indication that these students must willfully lose their body in allegiance to and belonging to that more advanced Kingdom Level:

B. These students/disciples who successfully bond to the Kingdom of Heaven through me and my Father will also lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that Kingdom. (None of this “laying down of bodies” will play out as a “natural death,” but will be an individual, willful loss of body in allegiance and service to the presence of the Kingdom of Heaven.)

Changed to:

B. The students/disciples who successfully bond to the Level Above Human through me and my Father must also prepare to lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that more advanced Kingdom Level.

13) 9. now named 8. changes “As we “lay down” our human bodies…” to “As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies…”

9. As we “lay down” our human bodies while declaring that the Kingdom of God is at hand, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

Changed to:

8. As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies, while declaring that entry into the Kingdom Above Human is available, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

14) Add 8.A.

A. They will attempt to rid themselves of their old minds, and identities, in exchange for the mind that flows through me, as they attempt to be accepted as one of my “children.” It will “cost” them everything of this world – which they will desperately desire to quickly be rid of.

15) 9.A changed to 8.B with addition

A. If they look to us (me and my students/disciples) to the best of their ability — align themselves with us — break their human bonds — and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in service to the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of the Kingdom of Heaven, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from the Kingdom of Heaven toward membership in that Kingdom.

Changed to:

B. If they expect to go with me, and I’m leaving very soon, they must look to us (me and my students/disciples) for all their needs to the best of their ability – align themselves with us – break their human bonds – and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in pursuit of the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of that Kingdom, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from that Next Level toward membership in that Kingdom.

16) 9.B. deleted – having to do with obtaining firearms that as a radical group may result in the government taking care of how we are to lay down one’s lives.

B. How is this “laying down of our bodies” to occur? If you DO recognize me and choose to look to me for guidance, I would recommend that you purchase firearms, get comfortable using them (or partner with someone who can), and somehow position yourselves (separate from others enough to not be vulnerable) so that you might establish a relationship with me, protected from interference as far as possible. In this day and time the authorities make no bones about their “need” to protect the public from “dangerous radicals like us.” They will aggressively attempt to require us to abide by their values and their rules (which are of this Luciferian world and its society– as difficult as that might be to believe). They won’t hesitate to trump up charges or suspicions in order to search us or take us into custody so they can “judge for themselves” whether or not we are some kind of a threat. There is no need for us to be submissive to their wishes (such as to their search or custody questioning) when we know we have broken none of God’s laws. Not only have we done nothing wrong, but our total existence is devoted to entering and offering God’s World. Our choosing to not “be submissive”– coupled with “being armed”–pretty much addresses the “laying down of our bodies” question.

[There is always the possibility that my Older Member will physically visit me in order to validate or confirm the appropriate unfolding of our exit plan (as was permitted before, at the Mount of the Transfiguration, when I asked “Can this cup be taken from me?” If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us — He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such confrontation need occur.]

17) 9.C addition

C. If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us – He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such “laying down of bodies” need occur.

18) 10. changed into 9.

10. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the system’s point of view, not being responsible citizens, whether their symptoms (of having a deposit) take the form of being “homeless,” prisoners, other social “dropouts” (doing drugs, alcohol, or losing respect for the family and career norms),religious radicals, or patriots/militia-types preoccupied with the loss of their God-given rights, and other suppressed segments of society — women, minority or indigenous races, gays, lesbians, etc. We always come for the “sinners,” from the viewpoint of the establishment.

changed to:

9. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the establishment’s point of view, being irresponsible or anti- social – and will be seen by the world as duped, crazy, a cult member, a drifter, a loner, a drop-out, a separatist, etc.

19) 11. changed to 10. with addition

11. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN” visitations” from the Kingdom of Heaven (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is — the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME.

changed to:

10. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN “visitations” from the Level Above Human (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is – the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME and these students of the Next Level.

20) 12. changed to 11.

12. Evidence of our credibility is:

changed to:

11. Evidence that we speak the truth is:

21) 12.B. changed to 11.B.

B. Any soul who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical, personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and will know or recognize us and this information again.

changed to:

B. Any soul of this civilization who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical or personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and is potentially capable of knowing or recognizing us and this information again.

22) 12.C. changed to 11.C.

C. Even the staging of some of the crashed crafts was in order to help the skeptics realize they have “visitors from another world.”

changed to:

C. It appears that even the staging of some of the crashed spacecrafts (which we suspect some of us arrived in) was in order to help the skeptics realize that they have “visitors from another world.”

23) 13. changed to 12.

13. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me. There is no other Son of His or Representative from His Kingdom incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

changed to:

12. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one (of this civilization) gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me. There is no other Son of His, or Representative from His Kingdom, incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

24) 17. changed to 16. with addition of:

Those who accept us and endure until we leave will go with us, and not need to experience the “spading under” or recycling of this planet – and will in the future become beginners in the real Kingdom of Heaven.

25) Remaining part of 17. deleted:

If you expect to be one to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you must drop the ways of this world — all its addictions and ties –NOW — and go with ME. When I am gone — I’m sorry, but –THAT’S IT — this is the “last bus” out of this civilization. This is the way my Father has designed it!

I am not naive. I am quite aware that what I am saying here will to many, if not most, sound like I should be locked up as a mental case at the least. However, that awareness cannot stand in the way of my simple acknowledgment of these facts for the sake of those who might go with us, and also for the sake of those who desire to be a contributor to our demise or exit from this world.

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Here is the original document:

(Original) September 25/26, 1995 – Statement posted to the WorldWide Web and to 95 specific newsgroups on the Internet

UNDERCOVER JESUS SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE

I, Jesus — Son of God — acknowledge on this date of September25/26, 1995:

1. I am about to return to my Father’s Kingdom.

A. This “return” requires that I prepare to lay down my borrowed human body in order to take up, or reenter, my body (biological) belonging to the Kingdom of God (as I did appx. 2000 years ago when I laid down the body that was about 33 years old in order to reenter my body belonging to the Kingdom of Heaven).

B. My Father’s Kingdom is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul — mind or spirit — and not the body they “wear.”

2. This time, my Heavenly Father came with me. In the early 1970’s, we each incarnated into an adult human body which was in its forties. Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated in a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to — during — and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

3. Each time we, or others from the Kingdom of Heaven, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Kingdom. The M.O. for many of us this time was to arrive in staged “UFO crashes.”

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven — the Kingdom of God.

A. He actually gave me “birth” into that Kingdom — took me through the overcoming of a mammalian civilization — long before this present human civilization had its beginning.

B. I have served as His student and apprentice during His relationship with this civilization.

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as God in the early stages of this civilization.

5. The last time I incarnated, My Heavenly Father’s physical relationship with me was unknown to others except when He, along with another Older Member in the Kingdom of God, visited with me (in the place that is referred to as the Mount of the Transfiguration) just prior to my putting myself in the hands of the authorities in order to lay down my human body.

6. This time He came with me “undercover” to assist me in my task (picking up where this process left off appx. 2000 years ago) of the further birthing –“fathering”– experience with the ones who will be the next new “sons” or children in the Kingdom of Heaven. To allow me to gain more experience in the birthing process, my Older Member returned to the Kingdom of Heaven in 1985, and continues to assist and communicate with me from a more advanced perspective.

A. As part of the undercover program, my Father incarnated in a female body for His 15-year stay.

B. Being “undercover,” which included lack of acknowledgment of who we were historically, was required of our task this time in order that we might, with as little recognition and interference as possible, round up the souls who were our students from the past. Even so, we were identified as a small, radical cult, just as we were 2000 years ago. And as was the case 2000 years ago, these prospective members left their families and relationships in order to follow or be a student.

7. These prospective new “sons” (speaking of soul identities, for they occupy both male and female bodies) were gathered at two different time periods — one under the guidance of both my Older Member and myself, and the second after my Older Member had returned (these were all souls that had had a previous relationship with me before this incarnation).

8. These “students” of the Kingdom of Heaven were offered the opportunity to bond with me and my Father, as a bride would bond with her husband, though —

A. Since the Kingdom of Heaven has no mammalian or human members, they had to become “new creatures” who bonded in mind, spirit, and behavior — void of human sexuality, human binds, and addictions of this world and this civilization.

B. These students/disciples who successfully bond to the Kingdom of Heaven through me and my Father will also lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that Kingdom. (None of this “laying down of bodies” will play out as a “natural death,” but will be an individual, willful loss of body in allegiance and service to the presence of the Kingdom of Heaven.)

9. As we “lay down” our human bodies while declaring that the Kingdom of God is at hand, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

A. If they look to us (me and my students/disciples) to the best of their ability — align themselves with us — break their human bonds — and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in service to the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of the Kingdom of Heaven, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from the Kingdom of Heaven toward membership in that Kingdom.

B. How is this “laying down of our bodies” to occur? If you DO recognize me and choose to look to me for guidance, I would recommend that you purchase firearms, get comfortable using them (or partner with someone who can), and somehow position yourselves (separate from others enough to not be vulnerable) so that you might establish a relationship with me, protected from interference as far as possible. In this day and time the authorities make no bones about their “need” to protect the public from “dangerous radicals like us.” They will aggressively attempt to require us to abide by their values and their rules (which are of this Luciferian world and its society– as difficult as that might be to believe). They won’t hesitate to trump up charges or suspicions in order to search us or take us into custody so they can “judge for themselves” whether or not we are some kind of a threat. There is no need for us to be submissive to their wishes (such as to their search or custody questioning) when we know we have broken none of God’s laws. Not only have we done nothing wrong, but our total existence is devoted to entering and offering God’s World. Our choosing to not “be submissive”– coupled with “being armed”–pretty much addresses the “laying down of our bodies” question.

[There is always the possibility that my Older Member will physically visit me in order to validate or confirm the appropriate unfolding of our exit plan (as was permitted before, at the Mount of the Transfiguration, when I asked “Can this cup be taken from me?” If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us — He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such confrontation need occur.]

[If I receive a change of instruction which includes going to trial, and the death of my body is a part of that experience, then as far as I am concerned, any and all of those who are apart of me have my permission to join me as soon as they choose to.]

10. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the system’s point of view, not being responsible citizens, whether their symptoms (of having a deposit) take the form of being “homeless,” prisoners, other social “dropouts” (doing drugs, alcohol, or losing respect for the family and career norms),religious radicals, or patriots/militia-types preoccupied with the loss of their God-given rights, and other suppressed segments of society — women, minority or indigenous races, gays, lesbians, etc. We always come for the “sinners,” from the viewpoint of the establishment.

11. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN” visitations” from the Kingdom of Heaven (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is — the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME.

12. Evidence of our credibility is:

A. That our information and our actions match recorded accounts of the presence, conduct, mission, and departure of our previous visitations from the Kingdom of Heaven offering membership in that Kingdom.

B. Any soul who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical, personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and will know or recognize us and this information again.

C. Even the staging of some of the crashed crafts was in order to help the skeptics realize they have “visitors from another world.”

13. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me. There is no other Son of His or Representative from His Kingdom incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

14. There are space aliens (humanoid remnants from other civilizations) who travel in the nearby heavens. They are dependent upon Earth’s atmosphere for harvesting hybrid bodies to “wear” and they recruit the “souls” who fail to become children in the Kingdom of God. We call them Luciferians because of their lineage.

15. These Luciferians jump in immediately after Reps from the Kingdom of Heaven leave. They fill the “patriarch(s)” of the resulting new religion with mixed truths and misinformation, which reinforces the fact that true growth toward that Kingdom can occur only while Reps are incarnate.

16. The Kingdom of God sends crews to “tag” or make “deposits” in human bodies and their minds/spirits just prior to and during the time Representatives from their Kingdom are incarnate “offering” birth. These deposits offer their recipients “recognition” of the Reps and, to some degree, recognition of the “information” from the Kingdom of God. They also act as “homing devices” to lead the recipients to those Reps and that information. Without these “deposits” of “recognition,” no choice of becoming a student is within the will of a human.

17. All who ever received deposits from the Kingdom of Heaven have returned at this time, the close of this Age. As part of our task, the Kingdom of Heaven is using us to test them. How they/you respond to me, my students, and our information will, in fact, judge you as to whether you will or will not have a further relationship with the Kingdom of Heaven. In other words, coming in contact with this information will force a decision, and with the stand you take, you judge yourself. Some, by their choice at this time, could be redeemed.

If you expect to be one to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you must drop the ways of this world — all its addictions and ties –NOW — and go with ME. When I am gone — I’m sorry, but –THAT’S IT — this is the “last bus” out of this civilization. This is the way my Father has designed it!

I am not naive. I am quite aware that what I am saying here will to many, if not most, sound like I should be locked up as a mental case at the least. However, that awareness cannot stand in the way of my simple acknowledgment of these facts for the sake of those who might go with us, and also for the sake of those who desire to be a contributor to our demise or exit from this world.

The above is a sketch of some of the topics which will be discussed in more depth on an upcoming satellite broadcast –the date and time will be announced within the next few weeks.

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Here is the new document:
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(edited/updated) January 1997 – Statement posted to the WorldWide Web and to 95 specific newsgroups on the Internet

UNDERCOVER “JESUS” SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE

A member of the Kingdom of God — the Evolutionary Level Above Human — I, who am called Do, acknowledge that:

1. I am about to return to my Father’s Kingdom.

A. This “return” requires that I prepare to lay down my borrowed human body in order to take up, or reenter, my body (biological) belonging to the Kingdom of God (as I did approximately 2000 years ago, as Jesus, when I laid down the human body that was about 33 years old in order to reenter my body belonging to the Kingdom of Heaven).

B. The Evolutionary Level Above Human is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul – and its mind or spirit – and not the “flesh” or physical body they “wear.”

2. This time, my Heavenly Father – my “Older Member” – came with me.In the early 1970’s, we incarnated into adult human bodies which were in their forties.Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated into a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to – during – and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

3. It seems that each time we, or others from the Level Above Human, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Next Level.

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven – the Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

A. He actually gave me “birth” into that Kingdom – took me through the overcoming of a mammalian civilization – long before this present human civilization had its beginning.

B. I have served as His student and apprentice during His relationship with this civilization.

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as the “True God” in the early stages of this civilization.

5. This time He came with me “undercover,” so to speak, in order to assist me in my task (picking up where this process left off approximately 2000 years ago) of the further birthing – “fathering” – experience with the ones who will be the next new “sons” or children in the Level Above Human.To allow me to gain more experience in the birthing process, my Older Member returned to that Kingdom in 1985, and continues to assist and communicate with me from a more advanced perspective.

A. As part of the undercover program, my Father incarnated in a female body for His 15-year stay.

B. Being “undercover,” which included lack of acknowledgment of who we were historically, was required for most of our task this time in order that we might, with as little recognition and interference as possible, round up the souls who were our students from the past.Even so, we were identified as a small, radical cult, just as we were 2000 years ago.And as was the case 2000 years ago, these prospective members left their families and relationships in order to follow or be a student. Now that I am surfacing again, I will again be hated for my “blasphemy” (of who I say I am) and hated by those families and others that are affected by all who aspire to leave with us, because this mission requires that they forsake all ties and binds to this world (family ties, responsibilities, and human-mammalian indulgences).

6. These prospective new “sons” (speaking of soul identities, for they occupy both male and female bodies) were gathered at two different time periods – one, in 1975-76, under the guidance of both my Older Member and myself, and the second, in 1994, after my Older Member had returned (these were all souls that had had a previous relationship with me before this incarnation).

7. These “students” of the Next Level/The Level Above Human were offered the opportunity to bond with me and my Father, as a bride would bond with her husband, though –

A. Since the Evolutionary Level Above Human has no mammalian or human members, they had to become “new creatures” who bonded in mind, spirit, and behavior – void of human sexuality, human binds, and addictions of this world and this civilization. Some in the class have chosen on their own to have their vehicles neutered in order to sustain a more genderless and objective consciousness.

B. The students/disciples who successfully bond to the Level Above Human through me and my Father must also prepare to lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that more advanced Kingdom Level.

8. As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies, while declaring that entry into the Kingdom Above Human is available, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

A. They will attempt to rid themselves of their old minds, and identities, in exchange for the mind that flows through me, as they attempt to be accepted as one of my “children.”It will “cost” them everything of this world – which they will desperately desire to quickly be rid of.

B. If they expect to go with me, and I’m leaving very soon, they must look to us (me and my students/disciples) for all their needs to the best of their ability – align themselves with us – break their human bonds – and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in pursuit of the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of that Kingdom, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from that Next Level toward membership in that Kingdom.

C. If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us – He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such “laying down of bodies” need occur.

9. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the establishment’s point of view, being irresponsible or anti- social – and will be seen by the world as duped, crazy, a cult member, a drifter, a loner, a drop-out, a separatist, etc.

10. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN “visitations” from the Level Above Human (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is – the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME and these students of the Next Level.

11. Evidence that we speak the truth is:

A. That our information and our actions match recorded accounts of the presence, conduct, mission, and departure of our previous visitations from the Level Above Human offering membership in that Kingdom.

B. Any soul of this civilization who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical or personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and is potentially capable of knowing or recognizing us and this information again.

C. It appears that even the staging of some of the crashed spacecrafts (which we suspect some of us arrived in) was in order to help the skeptics realize that they have “visitors from another world.”

12. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one (of this civilization) gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me.There is no other Son of His, or Representative from His Kingdom, incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

13. There are space aliens (humanoid remnants from other civilizations) who travel in the nearby heavens.They are dependent upon Earth’s atmosphere for harvesting hybrid bodies to “wear” and they recruit the “souls” who fail to become children in the Kingdom of God.We call them Luciferians because of their lineage.

14. These Luciferians (space aliens) “jump in” immediately after Representatives from the Level Above Human leave. They fill the “patriarch(s)” of the resulting new religion with mixed truths and misinformation, which reinforces the fact that accurate knowledge concerning that Kingdom seems to be available only while Representatives are incarnate.

15. The Kingdom of God sends crews to “tag” or make “deposits” in human bodies and their minds/spirits just prior to and during the time Representatives from their Kingdom are incarnate “offering” birth. These deposits offer their recipients “recognition” of the Representatives and, to some degree, recognition of the “information” from the Kingdom of God. They also act as “homing devices” to lead the recipients to those Representatives and that information. Without these “deposits” of “recognition,” no choice of becoming a student is within the will of a human.

16. It is our understanding that all souls of this civilization who ever received deposits from the Level Above Human have returned at this time, the close of this Age. As part of our task, the Level Above Human is using us to test them. How they/you respond to me, my students, and our information will, in fact, judge you as to whether you will or will not have a further relationship with the Kingdom of Heaven. In other words, coming in contact with this information will force a decision, and with the stand you take, you judge yourself. Some, by their choice at this time, could be redeemed. Those who accept us and endure until we leave will go with us, and not need to experience the “spading under” or recycling of this planet – and will in the future become beginners in the real Kingdom of Heaven.

Believe it or not – Your choice – Your judgment.

I hope this will assist you in whatever you might be seeking.

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TI and DO Statement in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary

November 9, 2017

This statement below was published in a book entitled, UFO Missionaries Extraordinary in 1976, included with interviews with TI and DO in 1974 and 1975-6 by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger:

A Statement Prepared by The Two

Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible even the elect.

We bring no signs or wonders, nor do we claim to be Christs or prophets, but simply bear the same truth that Jesus bore in the season that he promised. We come from the same kingdom that he came from and bear witness to his teachings. Our Father’s kingdom is reached only in the way that Jesus taught and demonstrated.

Rev 22:17 And let him who is thirsty come, let him who desires take the water of life without price.

Rev 14:1-5 Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and the4y sing a new song before the throne and before the4 four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

What is Happening in the Heavens at This Time

If you could project your mind out into the heavens and look at the positions of planets and other solar bodies in this immediate solar system, then extend your observations even more distantly, you might not be able to see the actual physical manifestation of energy; but if you were sensitive you would be aware that there is at this time an intense energy source focusing on this planet.

How severely this energy is affecting other planets in this solar system, we don’t know – and it is not important to us. This energy focus might be more clearly understood if you picture a searchlight that is circling in the far distant heavens without interference from other bodies in the heavens, clearly shining on this planet as it did approximately two thousand years ago in it’s last orbiting.

Another way to picture this same energy field would be to imagine a very distant emission of energy that has been obstructed from this planet by the positional interference of other solar bodies. At this time it is as if an opening or a shaft has been made by the present position of the heavens, permitting a strong intensity of that energy field to focus directly upon Earth – as it did approximately two thousand years ago.

It really does not make any difference what the actual cause or reason behind the energy focus is. But to be aware of its presence – and thereby understand why the life forms on this planet are responding the way they are – is significant, and will be helpful in understanding and controlling one’s own individual response.

Everything in the heavens, including this planet, is in a constant process of change and response to change, and that response determines growth or decay. This little planet called Earth is a garden from which individuals whom man would label gods may be born. “Gods” because they are members of a kingdom level above the human – the “kingdom of God.”

When this planet came together and was formed by members (or a particular member in that level-above-human) whose responsibility or chosen endeavor was the creation of a new garden, it became the place where germination could begin and life forms could multiply. If the life forms survived all the intermediate lesson-steps of growth, they could work their way up to the human level.

Now at this particular time, when an intense energy source is striking the planet, graduation from the human level into the level-above-human, or the kingdom of God, is made available.

The Earth garden has had life forms survive in growth-motion into the human kingdom in previous civilizations. However, at the time when the availability was offered, those previous human civilizations were not able to make it through the transition from human to the level-above-human.

A lot of growth in levels-beneath-human seems to be more automatic in upward motion, for the strength of will that pushes the life form up a notch is, for the most part, not consciously aware of what it is doing when it graduates upwardly. At the human level, schoolchildren in the early grades are not consciously aware that they have grown by their choice. However, at the growth level where a human becomes a prospect for the next level (the level-above-human) he must be completely aware of what he is doing or he cannot complete the transitional experience.

It might be helpful to consider how graduation from one level to the next is deserved or reached. A dog who has become tired or disenchanted with the so-called normal activities of the dog world and finds his only pleasure in pleasing his master deserves to move out of the dog kingdom and into the beginning stage of the level that he chooses to serve.

Some dogs might accept the training to avoid punishment. Their motivation would not make them deserving of graduating into the kindergarten of the human level. But the dog who desires only the attention, approval, and affection of the human, whose motivation is genuinely that of seeking to be associated with the next level (or human world), deserves to move into that higher level when graduation time arrives.

The energy focus that is now on planet Earth is the energy needed for the graduation experience. The human who desires only to please and to serve the level above his kingdom can at this time, with the help of members of the level-above-human, receive his examination, roll call, depart from his school (Earth), go “out in the world” – into the literal heavens among other members of the kingdom of God – and begin his apprenticeship and chosen activities.

The man who teaches a dog must hold frequent training sessions or the dog will quickly forget his training – though he may continue to seek a close, affectionate relationship with the man. A human college student must have an increasingly distant relationship with his professor and come into his own knowledge if he hopes to one day be in a professional capacity.

A candidate for the level-above-human must have an even more distant physical relationship with his teachers, or the members of the kingdom-above-human. For the requirement of his graduation includes a mental teaching program and a willingness to complete that program before gaining physical contact with the teacher level.

Because of this extremely infrequent physical contact, most religions have adopted the belief that members of that next level do not have physical bodies. The human professor does not seek out his students to impose his teachings; rather, they pay for instruction and choose to go to his classroom because society imposes the idea upon humans that they must find themselves in classrooms.

A prospective candidate for the next level has to do all of his seeking from the minds of his teachers in the next level through the strength of his own volition, according to the intensity of his thirst for knowledge above human.

Now, at the same time that this intense energy focuses or shines on this planet, members of the level-above-human come in at close range to examine the garden (most especially the human kingdom) and assist in the graduation. In preparation for the rare graduation period, a member or members of that next level might have chosen to leave their physical bodies, incarnate in the offspring of woman, lose the conscious minds they had attained, and live a seemingly normal human existence for a number of years – though close associates might have realized there was something different about them.

At the point in time when the energy focus became very intense, these people went through a period of mental transition, they became aware of the fact that they had come from another level and that they had spent a part of a human life in order to be at closer range with prospective graduates. The teachers can now tell and show how the changeover from a human into a member of the next level is accomplished. They may even demonstrate to nonbelievers that upon completion of the changeover they have become creatures capable of repairing a so-called “dead” body in three and a half days.

It was earlier stated that civilizations have existed on this planet that were unable to rise above the highest human condition. The present civilization, which began approximately six thousand years ago, has been the recipient of special help from the level-above-human.

Members of the level-above-human chose to incarnate several times into this civilization in order to assist in bringing it up through its different “grades” in the human “school.” This was not in order to upgrade genealogy or physical bodies, but to associate with the souls who are the products of this garden so that they might have someone with a higher consciousness in their midst to serve as an example.

The individual who was called Adam came to Earth from the heavens (the kingdom-above-human) in his total form – physical body and mind. He was so overcome by the discarnates (invisible life forms) from the previous civilizations that he was not able to withstand the aggression of their influences. Adam thereby temporarily lost his heavenly consciousness (the capacity of the mind of an individual in the next level) and found himself in the decaying vibration of the human level. This led to his death.

It was not until his incarnation in the individual named Enoch (who was the second major help) that he was able to rise above human-level vibrations and thereby resume his mental capacity as a member of our Father’s kingdom. This awareness permitted him to serve in the function of assisting in the bringing up of early-grade humans who were products of the Earth’s garden.

After Adam-Enoch had left adequate upgrading teachings, he was in sufficient mental communication with members of the level-above-human to complete his total conversion back into a rightful member of that level and depart from the human world and the Earth’s surface without experiencing death. He took his whole mind and body with him.

This is to say that Adam was brought to Earth’s surface from the kingdom-above-human (the kingdom of God) to begin a new civilization. He yielded to the temptations of the human-level sensuality, and in so doing he decreased his knowledge, the expanse of his mind, to that of a human-level creature. In a sense Adam lost what he had previously gained, and he did not begin to recover it to any significant degree until his incarnation as Enoch. As Enoch, Adam completed his changeover, physically and mentally, and left the Earth’s surface to reenter the kingdom-above-human.

After a season of growth, a third help-mission was sent to this particular civilization. But this time, in order to understand and to relate to the level of growth of the civilization, a member of our Father’s kingdom left his heavenly body in the spacecraft that brought him to the Earth’s surface and entered the newborn body named Moses.

Upon entering the baby’s body, the mind that had been in the level-above-human had to be as restricted as the child’s vehicle. In a sense, that mind had to go to sleep and reawaken as soon as the body of Moses had encountered enough experiences of growth and suffering to realize he had extraordinary work to do. It was his accepted responsibility before coming down to Earth to upgrade the civilization several grades beyond what had been offered by Enoch.

Using an analogy of twelve grades in school related to twelve steps of human growth in a civilization, it was Moses’ chosen mission to set rules of order which, if adhered to, could elevate man’s growth to fifth- or sixth-grade students in the human school. Moses, like Enoch, later in life changed from his human condition into a body and mind that could return to the level-above-human. When his work had been completed he did not leave a human body behind, but took his changed-over body with him.

The fourth significant help for this civilization came at the next major “spring” when a member of our Father’s kingdom, or the fourth mission of the same member, occurred. An individual (incarnate as Elijah) came to Earth’s surface and served in a capacity similar to Moses’. The information that he brought was again designed to upgrade or to assist this civilization, particularly those who had grown to the point that as individuals they were seeking to begin to rise above what they had gotten into.

Elijah’s information was structured for those who were moving away from their densest or broadest accumulation of human attachments – reaching for grades seven or eight. Of equal importance, Elijah’s information sought to prepare the growing members of this civilization for the next help that would come (in Jesus), which would actually give the information for graduation from the twelfth grade (human level) altogether and show humans how to enter the kingdom of God.

Never has any heavenly information been accepted by the masses as a whole; rather, it is accepted by the few who seek to change out of their last station of growth. Masses or groups of people do not grow or move up automatically. Growth is done individually, according to the degree of thirst for upward motion in the individual.

The next major help, or fifth upgrading mission, from the kingdom-above-human brought the civilization applicable information about how an individual product of this garden might change sufficiently to leave the human kingdom literally and take his total being, mind and body, with him into the kingdom-above-human. This is to say that the individual who came to fulfill this fifth mission took the incarnation labeled Jesus in the same manner that the individual of the third mission incarnated as Moses, and the fourth as Elijah. Jesus’ mission was to tell and to show how human products of this garden who had risen to the point where they were seeking the kingdom of heaven could reach it. But even though their comprehension of the changeover task was sufficient for them to begin to receive the information, their capacity for applying the formula of overcoming, or changeover, was lacking.

This is not to say that anything was lost by those who were applying Jesus’ teachings, for those same souls are here again now at this sixth help season in order to complete what they had started with his assistance. The one who was named Jesus not only had, after his awakening, the responsibility of telling and showing how the literal changeover from a human being into a heavenly being is accomplished – he also had the added task of demonstrating that one who had changed over can re-heal his body in three and a half days if he is destroyed.

Since the masses of people in this civilization did not desire upward growth sufficiently to reach for information Jesus brought, they found themselves in a growth condition that was blind to his truth. They had not the capacity to accept him; therefore, they rejected him to the point of desiring his death. Since the slow growers chose to kill him, Jesus’ mission included a “proof-demonstration” for the unbelievers. This did not mean that any others who might complete their changeover would need to be, or even asked to be, the instruments of such a demonstration.

None of this is to say that efforts towards growth and upward-reaching endeavors that took the form of religious movements were not the best for which men had the capacity at their station of growth. Ultimately the information for which all souls who seek to grow upward are looking is information on how to graduate into the next kingdom. It makes no difference which path you take up the mountain, what pursuits of knowledge – scientific or religious – you choose. All can lead to the top if your thirst remains unquenchable and you are dissatisfied with the level you have obtained.

However, when you have reached the top of the mountain, you must discard all the discoloration and terminology accumulated in your upward climb and come into an unvarnished, unromantic understanding of the requirements of “liftoff.” Therefore, there is only one way to reach the kindergarten in the kingdom of heaven. It was knowable at this time of Jesus’ mission if one could understand what he taught – not what others said he taught – and is knowable at this time through the information that it is our responsibility to clarify.

The sixth major help period for Earth’s human garden is now. The truth brought by us is one hundred percent the same truth brought in the mission of Jesus. Our responsibility is to reunite your minds with the proper interpretation of what he had to say – if you seek it – and to help you understand that only in the same way that he changed over in order to reenter the kingdom-above-human can you become a member of that level.

When Jesus said that everything that I am you can become and much more, he meant it. It is true.

Once again we are in a brief season when the “light” or knowledge or “energy focus” is on this planet. It is brief and intense. Many who have not chosen upward motion may respond adversely and even destroy themselves. Some – you, we hope – will realize that now is a brief period for your preparation to leave the human kingdom.

The seventh closeness will not be a teaching one, but a gathering of the harvest of those who have overcome this world.

If the forces of those who have chosen to be slow growers again choose to reject this truth and it’s bearers, then the two of us will again demonstrate that changed-over individuals can repair their so-called “dead” bodies in three and a half days. If that must happen it will be soon – and at the time that we have completed our testimony. As soon as our clarification is complete and it has adequately reached the eyes, ears, and minds of those who have become ready for it, we can reenter the kingdom-above-human and be a part of the membership of that level again.

Many could choose to overcome this world and even be a part of its becoming a heavenly body instead of a garden. The option is there. The intense energy focus that is on the planet will cause them to make their choice. They can accept this truth and do it–or reject it.

The seventh closeness, which is immediately upon us in the sense that those who are in the middle of their normal life span will easily live to see it’s completion, will include such events as what the Christian church refers to as the second coming, the “rapture,” and the completion of the final prophecies in John’s Book of Revelation. The one who was Jesus will come in at close range (as soon as those who have chosen to change over do it) and receive the elect into his company, for they have been those he has nurtured since the beginning of this civilization.

Those who literally and physically rise up to join him away from the surface of the Earth will be a part of the “rapture,” and they at that time will become full-fledged members of that kingdom. If they have not completed their total effort as individuals in overcoming this world and all of their individual attachments to it by the time he comes in this seventh closeness, they will not receive that ingredient from the kingdom of God. If they have given their full effort toward total overcoming from the time their minds receive this clarification of changeover requirements until the seventh closeness, they will receive that final ingredient and become whole “in a twinkling of an eye” and be capable of moving and serving in the literal heavens as much as the butterfly is capable of moving it it’s world as compared to it’s limited capabilities when it was but a caterpillar.

None of this, if you desire to be a full recipient of what this information has to offer, can be taken as a concept for study, religious belief, or some new idea of an avant garde cult. The teachings that are contained here – if they speak to you and if you choose to accept them – must be applied to the activities in your life to the extent that very soon in your individual life you will have only one thing in mind – reaching our Father’s kingdom during the short time it is available to you and seeking his help in the total overcoming of this world, having been weaned from all your humanness so that you might be one of those prepared to meet him.

Message Summary

Our entire message and our mission can be summed up as follows:

1) There is a literal, physical kingdom of life above the human level.
2) That kingdom level exists in the literal, physical heavens outside the Earth’s atmosphere.
3) It is from humans changed over that members in the next level get their physical birth.
4) The season for that changeover comes rarely and brings with it the necessary assisting information through the minds of members of that next level, who incarnate as humans during that season in order to bear the information of how the changeover is accomplished. The bearers also serve as examples or specimens, illustrating that physical changeover accomplished.
5) Human candidates for the individual change-over can accomplish it only during that brief season.
6) These candidates must be in physical bodies of strong will, be mentally alert, and be in full control of their total selves.
7) If the candidate’s body dies or is left behind, it is an indication that he did not change over and become a physical member of that next kingdom anymore than a caterpillar that dies has not become a butterfly (But if a candidate’s body has died, his time of changeover may occur at the next graduation season.)”

A Reminder
To Those Who Are in a Position
to Give Their All

During the time of your preparation and change-over, you must guard against the misdirection of your energies. At the top of the list, your first desire must always be to reach the next kingdom. You can not enter if you have not become an individual who has the characteristics of others who are already members of that kingdom. At the core of your motivation must be the desire to be good and right to a degree not comprehendable by humans. Your greatest pleasure then becomes the pleasing of your Heavenly Father. You must know who your Heavenly Father is. If he is from the real heavens, and you know him, then you will always try to stay in tune with his mind and handle each circumstance as you believe he or his Father would handle it.

Your emphasis must remain on telling others that the real kingdom level of the real heavens exists, and that now a brief time exists for individuals to become members in it. If you emphasize the demonstration, you participate to a degree in the “show-me” point of view. If the demonstration occurs prematurely, those changing over will find themselves without close assistance, and could easily be misdirected.

“Sticking it out” or “just waiting for the spaceship” won’t accomplish your desired change. You have to be willing to accept the possibility that your “chrysalis” might take as long as ours took. Only continuous pushing and pressing forward will complete your changeover. This pressing includes “doing your Father’s work,” i.e., daily doing all that you can to spread the good news of the real kingdom of God. You must be determined to not allow anything or anyone to turn your head from your completion task. There will be many who would delight in seeing you turn back in order to justify their weakness.

Warning: There are artificial circumstances, objects, and indivduals who would woo you away from the real. This is true of aspects on every level – even “spacecraft” and “angels.” Be alert – know the difference.

No Real Comparison of Jonestown suicides with Heaven’s Gate

October 27, 2017

At the end is the link to an article that compared Jonestown to Heaven’s Gate that I show really has little to no genuine equivalent comparison other than both their groups membership physically dying by ingesting drugs under the leadership of one leader. Based on that one could equate the president of a country as a dangerous cult leader who stimulates their soldiers to give their lives which I know to many seems preposterous to compare but is it really?

On the surface these two groups can be barely compared and I don’t doubt that from a membership prospective there were some tiny likenesses but other than that there is no comparison except in the use of poison to end their vehicles lives.

To follow are  some of the many huge differences that reveal this comparison as a typical Luciferian Soul “facsimile” production of what Ti and Do were doing. And it’s interesting how some of those who initially joined with Ti and Do in 1975, from the first meeting in North Hollywood around April 21st thought that they (Ti and Do) were promoting suicide both literally and figuratively which was not the case literally then, even if one did define suicide by it’s human definition as self stimulated death of one’s body. Figuratively speaking Ti and Do’s group were more realistically ending their human lifestyle entirely where in the Jones camp humanness was not changed at all really according to the evidence. Some of what I’m saying about the fear of suicide came from Joan Culpepper (more of an infiltrator into the group than a follower as she stated). Plus there was a relative of a student who testified her fear of their committing suicide in 1975 (about three years before the Jonestown event) that was documented in the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary.” Here are some snippets of that book on this blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

So here are the key differences that are major in the Jonestown People Temples group that there was not even a shade of indicator of in the Heaven’s Gate group:

1. Children were forced to drink the poison cocktail. One can see and hear it in the video with Jones preaching to do it while people are crying. Ti and Do didn’t allow children in their group.

2. If only one person disagreed and was forced to ingest the poison cocktail the entire idea could not be compared with Heaven’s Gate group. This was evidenced in the Jonestown story by video testimony and survivors. Some people who fled that last meeting were hunted down by gunmen. People were held at gunpoint to ingest the poison according to the records. In the Heaven’s Gate group people were challenged to leave throughout and 19 of the initial 100 members in 1976 were separated from the larger group and Ti and Do said they didn’t make the “first cut” on who they thought could accomplish the task of overcoming all their humanness.

3. Murder of the congressman at the airport as they attempted to leave was also a huge indicator of how different Jonestown was from Heaven’s Gate. The records indicate that Jim Jones was stimulated to take this action to escape prosecution when he learned that some in his group had passed notes to the congressman saying that they wanted to get out.

4. The People’s temple was a human social and political group. Heaven’s Gate was not social nor political. Spirituality seemed to be mostly absent from the documentaries I watched but if it was a big part was not any different from other spiritual and/or religious groups that had political and community support before they moved to Guyana. Heaven’s Gate wasn’t religious or spiritual in that context. The only reason they are considered religious is because it is through the man made worldly religions that the records of the Next Level’s incarnate activity was passed on and because the nature of the information was about Mind – “the character of the soul” as DO once defined Mind, that he taught was synonymous with the word, “spirit”.

5. Members of the People’s Temple did not leave everything behind to join with Jones – mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, houses, etc. (as Jesus taught some of his disciples had done (i.e. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. ) and that all Ti and Do’s students were instructed to do (though there was no way to verify that any one student had done but it was talked about as having an “ace in the hole” for those that didn’t. However I read one report that indicated Ti and Do turned away at least one person who was considering joining with them. She had children and it was reported that Ti and Do said she shouldn’t follow with them at that time and that perhaps she might follow later (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary)).

Jones and his group were a human organization with human family values and human behaviors that they took with them to Guyana, including relationships among members and sexuality and punishments for non-compliance. Ti and Do’s group members did not continue human relationships with anyone back in the world nor with one another when some joined who had such a relationship. (I was one of those who joined with my former partner I had lived with for 5 years and for the first ten years had zero communication with my vehicle’s family back in New York. The only relationships Ti and Do’s student had were as fellow crew members. There was no chit chatting or gossip or shooting the breeze or having best friends or confidants or “familiarity” among certain members (though we still enjoyed one anthers camaraderie and companionship and friendship and personalities and helpfulness (within the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught that are most synopsized in the lists referred to as the “Seventeen Steps” and the “Major and Lessor Offenses” – that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book and posted on the Heavensgate.com web site and posted on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-major-and-lessor-offense-list/

6. The idea that the Jonestown people were forming a utopia on earth was totally absent with the Heaven’s Gate group. According to Ti and Do’s teachings there was no “heaven on earth” in that way, at least not during the current civilization. They did say in the future, if humans showed the Next Level that they had evolved to be civilized – like not choosing to shoot at beings from other worlds, for example then the earth could be made into a Next Level Base aka a Heavenly Body where Members of the Next Level could be seen coming and going but still would not live among humans. They talked about how there were other planets where human equivalent beings were growing in ways totally unlike in the earth’s human kingdom because humans were somewhat unique because of the presence of the Luciferian space alien fallen angels they permitted to become catalysts for the growth of souls. There could be another planet but it would only be equivalent to earth if some human equivalent to Luciferians were also present but they mostly felt there wasn’t another such earth/human equivalent planet. (Some of this can be seen talked about in the Blackhawk tapes and a little in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). For the Blackhawk tapes one can search my Youtube channel named: 3SPM for “Blackhawk” and find three posts of those audios made into videos.

With Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate group the idea from the start was that we were all going to exit the earth, always potentially with our bodies but certainly as Souls for those who qualified. I doubt there were any qualifications to join with Jim Jones (but I could be wrong about that, but if there were I’d bet they were human qualification characteristics (humanitarianism) verses Above Human characteristic qualifications), many of which are in the records that came through a number of what became religions.

7. There were no abuses in Ti and Do’s group. There were never any sexual misconduct that I witnessed and none that were reported by the hundreds of followers over the years who dropped out. There was no punishment for not living by the “procedures” (rules) except for being sent out of the group. Some were sent out of the group and a number of those returned in unusual ways as there were only two “recruitment” periods from 1975 to 1976 and from 1993 (via media) and for about 9 months face to face in meetings around the US and Canada in 1994 and then via internet media by the presence of the Heaven’s Gate web site and postings to Usenet groups that one person joined from and was among the 38 who layed down their lives.

(By the way, “recruitment” was nothing like many groups I’ve both read about and experienced, like the Moonies for instance. We never stood on corners to sell flowers or anything else with the hope of drawing people to our meetings with an offer of food and then once there those who came would learn they needed to sit through their presentation before they’d be fed. It’s sort of the model of the Salvation Army. The entire “recruitment” effort was simply putting up posters on storefronts and bulletin boards in New age centers and health food stores and on telephone poles around the town where we planned a public meeting. Sometimes we got some free press and/or radio and/or TV coverage. People would come to the meeting and listen for a short time and take some questions and then were told if anyone wanted more information to stay after in which case sometimes even some who though they might want to join us were faced with details that dissuaded them. Nothing was ever hidden and there were not carrots put before a person’s eyes, so to speak. However, one might think the idea that they were joining with true Representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven could be a carrot but Ti and Do and their Students didn’t need to have more members so had no interest in cajoling anyone.)

8. Plus the way DO and crew laid down their lives was never rehearsed as it was with the Jonestown group. In the Jonestown group they had a number of rehearsals but the members of the community weren’t told they were rehearsals according to one or more survivor reports. People drank the drink that they were told had poison in it and nothing happened to them, so that became a conditioning to the act. DO did ask on several or more occasions each member of the group if they had any reservations about taking their exit into their own hands by drinking the phenobarbital mixture. One such time was when I was still in the group in September of 1994 that included over a dozen new (or returning) members. From that person by person question one new student said they had reservations and left the group the next day. Another who was a former member named Arrody left shortly after that for the same reason I read reported. One can think that too was conditioning but if anything the conditioning was to filter out those who weren’t clearly in favor of taking the action, the same kind of filtering that had occurred by many examples over the 19 years I witnessed that can be seen in this blog post:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/

I’m not proposing that the Jonestown event as a Luciferian facsimile attempt to discredit Ti and Do’s authenticity meant that the people in the Jonestown event were necessarily casualties or their their souls and/or Spirits were not kept by the Next Level because of their willingness to sacrifice their human lives in this world. I don’t say that without evidence from DO. For instance, after watching the murder of the David Koresh group, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas I recall DO saying that he wondered if his students would stick to their convictions the way they did, though not condoning those who used violence. To me that meant that some of those could have been seen by the Next Level as doing the best they could do. The point is, even if someone is murdered or kills themselves we don’t know how that Soul or Spirit will be judged by the Next Level. That judgement starts with the way each of us believe and act while living. We judge ourselves and then when it’s all done the Next Level salvages those they deem to still have the capacity to advance towards Next Level membership in a future opportunity. Like DO said as the 3rd Type of individual who would be “saved” from the recycling, they might have never heard of Ti and Do but separated from their worldliness in their own way. Do can be seen speaking of this in his video, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled” a video that was transcribed and found on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/

Here is the article that stimulated this blog post response:

Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate were supposed to be utopias. How did it go so wrong?
When a dream becomes dystopia. By Amos Barshad
https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/26/jonestown-and-heavens-gate-were-supposed-to-be-utopias-how-did-it-go-so-wrong

 

Pineapple Press Heaven’s Gate Podcast comments by Sawyer re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

October 20, 2017

Below is the access information for the Pineapple Press Podcast Series Heaven’s Gate and followed by Sawyers comments to each episode:

Pinapple Press Podcast Series – Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate
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Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts (By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them as part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions.

-In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting near Portsmouth, New Hampshire that actually suggested this idea. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to very short distance away.

-The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration
was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their
minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

And this is what was recorded to have happened to Jesus that Christians call his having a “glorified body” after he rose from the human dead condition. Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom:

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

-Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

-Ti and Do at one point held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”. She told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

-Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom. The instruction from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that. However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

-Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had anxiety about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

-I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

-In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to deflate self confidence. It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by. The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

-Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

-At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. He then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

-It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

DO’s reference to His Students as the Twenty four “Elders” in the Revelation

October 19, 2017

Question to Sawyer:

So when in the Beyond Human tapes Do talked about students of his potentially being other’s older members, it is still separate from adult Older Members? I’m speaking of the part where he talked about being “grandfather” to younger members.?

Reply from Sawyer:

Here is the segment from session one of the Beyond Human series that I believe is part of what you are referring to: (Two students were sitting with DO during filming acting as his “helpers” with questions)

“Well, this little classroom that dwindled to 50, and then dwindled down to a couple dozen, have now reached a condition where they have overcome the world enough to relate in a position up a notch as Elders, or Older Members, to anyone else that they can help in their own overcoming. Yes, that means these two here who’ve been sitting here this whole hour with me and haven’t asked me a blooming thing (laughs). But, I know they like to hear about the Kingdom of Heaven. And they know how filled I am with it. And I know how filled they are with it.”

(Note this is also where DO indicates his students then were numbered at “a couple dozen” and were “elders” that can be related directly to the prophecies in Revelations about the “four and twenty elders”)

In terms of DO being a “grandfather” to some who at that time he considered might be watching those same Beyond Human video’s in the future, he said in Session 11 that was part of his response about Next Level patience:

“I can imagine that sometimes, as some of the classroom watches these tapes, they can recognize that there’s a certain amount of relationship that I might be having with the viewer on the other end of that camera that might be slightly different from my relationship with them at times. I think we’ve even discussed it. In a sense, I almost feel like a twice-removed…or a grandfather speaking to a grandchild. Of course, I’m speaking to you as someone who might be wondering if they are standing outside of the vehicle that they are using, and wondering if they want to take it over and pursue this. And since we are given the task of trying to give that to you, and since we’re so eager for you to participate in it, for it to become yours, then we are influenced by that.”

Then in session 9 DO indicates that he might end up being a “grandfather” to those watching this video because graduate students might then become “teachers”

(Since making these tapes were the “Step” given to him from his Older Member, TI (while Ti was outside the vehicle Ti took), DO didn’t know at that time they’d all be exiting together and he didn’t know if He would exit before them, which he also addressed by referring to people coming in this direction towards connection with Him and His Kingdom afterwards as needing to seek to “connect” with an “Active Student”. See the documents, “DO’s Intro: Purpose – Belief” and “Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure
By Jwnody – dated April 8, 1996):

“But I want to make the point a little bit more clearly that these sessions and these tapes are, in a sense, teaching tools for the students – to get that idea a little more clearly in our heads. In other words, my relationship with you in a sense is symbolic, and in a sense it isn’t. If this task proceeds, my relationship with you might end up being more as grandfather to grandson, and these students might serve more in the capacity as teacher since they are older than you. I don’t know if that has clarified in your mind, but it might have if other things that we have said had added up at this time. If they have completed sufficient overcoming of their own in this task, and they received instruction to put the information out, even though the way that instruction came was to do it in this method, then they are in a real sense going to serve in the teacher role with you, or in a sense, in the “midwifing” or the father relationship, if you don’t use that as a spiritual term. In other words, if they have completed enough overcoming that they could move right now into our Father’s Kingdom, and even move into a physical vehicle of our Father’s Kingdom, no longer occupying the vehicle they are in, whether this one or the one that they’re in is changed over into that new vehicle or another one altogether, then they don’t need to come back to the human kingdom unless sent. That’s the instruction we have received – that that’s the case.”

Now my use of the term “Adult” came from DO, but I don’t know how to locate it, but may be in the audio tapes we have access to as I believe he would have said it while Ti was incarnate. I recall DO saying that the term adultery meant, “not becoming an adult”, which in it’s purest form means that person has compromised their commitment to the teachings of the most current Older Member REP from the Next Level. That commitment or said as “covenant” grew with each trimester in the overall “overcoming classroom” to where by Ti and Do’s arrival meant to have no commitment to anyone else besides DO (As TI instructed us to “make our committal to DO).

Update: I found one place where that was documented in a little booklet Ti and Do and a crew put together that I only first saw after we moved into houses around 1980. It was called “Ruffles Snacks for Thinkers”.

-“To commit adultery could mean that one fails to act like an adult.”

-“Man does not have to see things as he always saw them before. Man is designed to see things as he never saw them before—to see them in a higher way than ever before. This is the kind of change that must take place before man becomes an adult.”

Here is a link to Ruffles on my blog: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/ruffles-snacks-for-thinkers/

But I also thought I read or heard that term “adult” used as referring to a Next Level Older or Younger Member vehicle, neither of which any of the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens ever had. (DO indicated in Session 1 of the Beyond Human Series that the vehicle Lucifer had when he was serving in the Next Level was “certainly not born of woman”. This is recorded in Beyond Human Session 1. Here is that segment:

“We’ve already discussed that we believe that in the Jewish and Christian literature, the physical record is there connecting those people with the real Kingdom of God. And they speak of someone else. They speak of an individual that was once in the household of God, in the literal Heavens, was a son of God and
got too big for his britches, and thought that he could do a better job than his Father, or his Older Member. Not that he was born of a wife of his Father, because the body that he had in the Kingdom of Heaven was certainly not born of woman. Don’t forget that in the Kingdom of Heaven, babies are born by the souls that overcome the human condition. When they overcome the human condition and then are moved into the Kingdom of Heaven, then they’re “babies.” And those that took them in are then like their foster parents or their keepers, their babysitters, their teachers, their rabbi’s, their connection, their “piece of pipe,” their link with the Chief of Chiefs of that Kingdom.”

DO refers to “babies” in the Next Level and how their vehicles are grown as “Next Level bodies” in “’88 UPDATE – THE UFO TWO AND THEIR CREW”: (The Luciferians never graduated to receive Next Level bodies, though they weren’t born of woman either so must have been some model of physical vehicle that still had the capacity to act in mammalian ways).

“Our understanding is that Next Level bodies (the normal bodies for that Kingdom level, in the same way that human bodies are the norm for the human kingdom) are grown as plants from a vine, and at the end of their gestation period, they are fully grown and functional, not “babies” as are the products of human “seed-bearing plants.” There seem to be actual grafting processes used and genetic binding from Older Members. “I am the vine, ye are the branches” – could that mean something more than previously thought?”

In the Blackhawk audio tapes DO talks about how Adam’s body, (though also not born of woman) went through a “reverse metamorphosis” into human behaviors. Since Ti and Do taught that the Adam experiment was set up to become a testing ground for new membership for Souls who had grown to some equivalent degree to the Luciferian souls, I surmised that Adam’s vehicle may have been of some equivalence to the vehicles grown for the Luciferians to use when they began to serve the Next Level in crews in spacecrafts.

If you ever come upon the use of Adult or Student in reference to a Next Level “grown” vehicle please let me know. But I may cease using those terms and replace them with more appropriate terms that are regularly used by Ti and Do and Crew even though it may require more words.

 

Pineapple Press and CNN produce new podcast and doc with some new looks at TI and DO’s infamous Heaven’s Gate

October 11, 2017

There are two new broadcasts re: Heaven’s Gate about to be aired.

The first one is produced by the Pineapple Press, a 10 part podcast series that starts for premium members of Stitcher.com today October 10, 2017 and will be broadcast on Stitcher for free on October 18, 2017.

Snap Judgement’s Glynn Washington is the host.

Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate

The second one is by CNN and is to be aired on October 29, 2017. Here is a brief lead to their broadcast:

The Mystery of Heaven’s Gate (airdate: Oct. 29) In the mid-1970s, hundreds of people begin disappearing without a trace. Distraught families are left wondering about their loved ones for decades, until March of 1997, when shocking news about a mysterious religious group makes headlines around the world. Told through exclusive interviews with those who experienced this event firsthand…this episode follows the story of Heaven’s Gate.

This story was produced as part of season two of this series listed entirely via this link:

HLN True Crime Docuseries “How It Really Happened with Hill Harper” Returns for Second Season Oct. 15

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Here are a couple articles announcing the podcast broadcast:

New podcast investigates Heaven’s Gate ritualistic mass suicide
http://www.10news.com/home/new-podcast-investigates-heavens-gate-ritualistic-mass-suicide

ABC10 out of Los Angeles report by Amanda Brandels – amanda.brandeis@10news.com <amanda.brandeis@10news.com>;

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (KGTV) – A podcast set to be released this month takes a deeper look into the Heaven’s Gate ritualistic mass suicide, which left 39 people dead in a Rancho Santa Fe mansion.

Produced by Stitcher, listeners will hear from family members, experts and those who still believe in the group’s theological principles.

Host Glynn Washington, raised in a cult himself, helps uncover new insights and perspectives about the event, which rocked the nation and world.

A first glimpse of the podcast is available here.

Listeners can subscribe now and listen to the first episode on Oct. 18.

You can listen to the podcast one week early and ad-free by becoming a premium member.

Stitcher is owned by the parent company of 10News, the E.W. Scripps Company.

Copyright 2017 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate

twitter: @heavensgateshow
facebook /heavensgateshow
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Here is another article:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/missing-richard-simmons-host-dan-taberski-joins-heavens-gate-podcast-1046028

‘Missing Richard Simmons’ Host Dan Taberski Joins ‘Heaven’s Gate’ Podcast (Exclusive)

8:33 AM PDT 10/5/2017 by Natalie Jarvey

The 10-episode project, which will explore what led to one of the largest mass suicides in U.S. history, will be hosted by Glynn Washington.

Dan Taberski is reuniting with the team behind Missing Richard Simmons for a new podcast that will explore what happened inside the Heaven’s Gate cult.

The Missing Richard Simmons host is joining Heaven’s Gate as a writer. The 10-episode project will be hosted by Glynn Washington of Snap Judgment.

Washington told The Hollywood Reporter that the podcast won’t just focus on the mass suicide of Heaven’s Gate members; it will also delve into the lives of the people who joined the group and seek to answer questions about how the suicide happened.

Washington spoke to family members, survivors and other people involved with Heaven’s Gate for the project. “These people are real people who made real choices for real reasons, and we wanted to explore that,” he said.

Washington explained that his interest in the topic comes from his own background growing up in a cult (his family was a part of a religious organization called the Worldwide Church of God). “The lens through which the project is viewed is my own,” he said. “I can’t do this without bringing my own background to these questions.”

Washington said that Taberski was an important addition to the team. “He’s got a great touch as a writer,” he added. “Bringing Dan on is a demonstration of how much excitement [there is] about this project and the commitment to making sure that it works.”

Heaven’s Gate hails from Stitcher, which is a part of E.W. Scripps’ Midroll Media podcasting division, and is being produced in collaboration with Pineapple Street Media. It is set to premiere Oct. 18. The trailer can be listened to here.

Natalie.Jarvey@thr.com
twitter: @natjarv
HollywoodReporter.com

 

Introduction to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate by Sawyer

October 6, 2017

I have had a stock statement I always sent to people who come to my facebook page and request to become a “friend”. I just updated it since some new media is being publicized by a couple big media groups who I gave interviews to. That’s what follows:

Introduction to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate by Sawyer

For the record, I am not starting a group or cult or trying to be anyone’s leader, or teacher, nor fostering any kind of relationship with anyone sexual or otherwise beyond communications related to my 19 years of experience as a student in Ti and Do’s “classroom”. The “classroom” as it was under Ti and Do’s direction does not and can not exist anymore. And I’ve never kept track of who tells me they believe in Ti and Do.

I discourage anyone who tells me they are considering suicide. That has happened several times over the years.

I don’t believe anyone now is in the same place as those 38 students who laid down their human lives in 1997. Dying is not an automatic ticket into Heaven as has been generally taught in some religious and spiritual belief systems. DO and Crew wrote,

“We know that it is only while we are in these physical vehicles (bodies) that we can learn the lessons needed to complete our own individual transition, as well as to complete our task of offering the Kingdom of Heaven to this civilization one last time. We take good care of our vehicles so they can function well for us in this task, and we try to protect them from any harm.”

You can read more about how they thought about suicide in this document that is posted on the Heavens Gate Website that I re-posted to my blog at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/23/our-position-against-suicide-by-do-and-crew-posted-on-heavensgate-com/

Further perspectives of suicide are explained in a document one of Ti and Do’s students wrote that was included in their Heaven’s Gate Book, along with many other subjects is here:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/evolutionary-rights-for-victims/

Here is a link to Ti and Do’s first public statement written in 1975:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-first-statement/

A free download is still available of DO and Crews Book entitled, ‘How and When “Heaven’s Gate” (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered’, from their website:

http://www.heavensgate.com

Though I know well my two former classmates who still maintain that website, I have no affiliation.

I provide most of the same documents, plus links to the Beyond Human video series and other related materials TI and DO and Crew made on my blog at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/book-appendix-links/
(This document is the appendix of my book)

Here is a link to one of three audio tapes that were recorded of both Ti and Do speaking. There are many more available freely to those who ask for them:

Blackhawk 1 of 3 – Ti and Do re adam eve lucifers prison

To see some of what DO wrote about the Space Aliens in an informational ad placed in USA Today on May 27 1993:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/06/27/usa-today-adstatement-may-27-1993-by-do-the-rev-6-applewhite-horse/

To see what DO wrote when he felt it time to state he was the return of the same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus. He never said he was “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level took to perform his task through:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/10/22/undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

My book, entitled, ‘TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses’ is available for free and for purchase as an ebook and/or softcover.

Here is the link to my book web site that also includes a big section of the book on the blog there:

http://www.tianddothefatherandjesusheavensgateufotwowitnesses.com/
(Purchasing it through this link goes through my publisher so is not the most economical way to get the softcover.)

My book is free by copying and pasting from my blog. Here is the link to the first of seven sections of the book. It’s very long so I had to break it up to post it all:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/01/26/ti-and-do-the-father-and-jesus-heavens-gate-ufo-two-witnesses/
(Just search my blog on the title for the remaining 6 sections)

More economical and practical ways to get my book is by buying the ebook using a Kindle reader off of Amazon and/or as a softcover on Barnes and Nobel and like I said through my publisher who also has a number of other ebook formats available.

For the record, though I do collect royalties for book sales, I did not write it to make money with. To make money with it, there were many other ways to write it.

Though I believe the writing of this book was a task Ti and Do offered me to do, I can’t prove that to anyone as I never received that task from their mouth, so perhaps it’s not. I did not leave their “classroom” to perform such task. I flunked out and simply have another chance to learn the lessons I needed to learn.

The book’s content attempts to bring evidence of how Ti and Do were the fulfillment of all of Jesus’ (Second Coming) prophecies to include the Book of Revelations, though much of that material is still in process of fulfillment. I did a great deal of translation examination that took me into the Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek word manuscript origins.

Plus I always strove to stay in context. Ti and Do always said that the Next Level worked very hard to preserve an accurate enough record of what Jesus said, as seen in a red letter edition of the New Testament.

Believe it or not, that doesn’t make me religious or even Christian, in the ways those labels imply. They are historic records and the religions arose as a distortion and dilution of what Jesus taught, mostly occurring by the varied interpretations of those records.

Also for the record, there are some who have posed as facebook “friends” trying to catch or harass me in some way, which I know is part of the territory to deal with, which is why I say all this to new “friends”. I never make a friend requests though I have joined some groups to be included in certain conversations to share some of what I’ve learned as I know there are some who are interested when they hear certain perspectives about Ti and Do and Crew.

However I never automatically preach or bring up Ti and Do but am also not slow to talk about them should something they say stimulate a perspective I got from them.

There is a heavensgate facebook group that I did not start but I was included as a owner of the group. I only keep it active to keep it away from charlatans, however seemingly well intended. I only say this to explain it’s presence on my facebook page Sawyerhg.wordpress.com since it would appear to be a group I support but do not.

Many of the friends on this facebook page are simply curious and most often I don’t know who believes in Ti and Do and to what degree and don’t seek to find out. There are a few exceptions who have helped me with little projects and to which I have helped them with their little projects, like videos.

But there are no secret pacts or plots or core new believers. We each only answer to Ti and Do in our individual relationships the same as anyone, whether people know of Ti and Do or not.

Many of us humans have had a real relationship with the Next Level, thinking of Them as their Heavenly Father or their Higher Power or God or Allah or Buddha or Krishna, etc. At the same time many use such terms and think they have a connection they don’t as Jesus said would happen during this time period especially. Even so we can’t judge another in this regard. Even if a human is acting in ways that are contrary to Next Level qualifying behaviors and ways, none of us know when they might change and how fast.

Ti and Do indicated that there are no other Older Members on earth to perform this task and none to come during this civilization so anyone who claims to be their return or their reincarnation or to be receiving information from them, like as a channel or as a remote viewer, contactee or psychic reader, or using the name Jesus or other Biblical figures as in the Two Witnesses are either deluded, even tricked by the various lower forces or lying.

TI and DO said that choosing to become an atheist can be a good step away from religion and spirituality, though all paths in the human kingdom can lead to the top of the human mountain. However, there is only one way off that mountain top and that’s by going through the lesson steps provided by someone who evolved beyond the human kingdom, evidenced by their teaching the separation from the human kingdom (even though it will be in degrees and always by our own choices).

One of ways to correctly interpret the term antichrist could be as one who is anti the Christing process that of course Jesus established. That “process” is the overcoming process that each human must engage by seeking the Mind (holy spirit) – from the Next Level via the information they taught while incarnate. Calling on the name Jesus can be answered by any number of discarnates or Luciferian space alien fallen angel souls which is part of why Jesus taught to project our asking to our “Father in Heaven” as the discarnates and space aliens can not actually travel very far from the earth anymore.

Thus when we see “signs” in outer space, perhaps as near as the moon, since Jesus said they would be in the Sun, Moon and Stars that would include planets and comets, etc., they are from the Next Level.

I am transparent with my life but not with personal info or the personal info on any other former members of the group who I still have some contact with whether they still believe in Ti and Do or not.

If you wish to review my little bio, for whatever it might be worth, it’s found on my blog at:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/sawyers-storyraptured-by-the-rev-11-two-witnesses-bo-dojesus-and-peeptifathers-second-coming/

How Sawyer fell by giving into sexuality in Ti & Do’s classroom and then dropping out by choice:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/sawyers-experience-with-sexuality-in-ti-dos-classroom/

Here are some Q and A but there are a lot more on my blog:

I was asked if I still followed the teachings of Ti and Do.

Sawyer’s reply: yes, as best I can, like according to the “Major and Lesser Offenses” and the “17 Steps” and other guidelines, though in this very different application, not having Ti or Do or fellow classmates present and having gone back into the world and started a human family, who I continue to help (now 20 yr old daughter), but I have had no relationships or sexuality with anyone for the last four years. However, I do find myself slipping in some of the behaviors at times so it’s a continuous process to maintain. When we slip from the standards, whether they are Ti and Do’s and/or the Jesus standards, it’s important not to let that become a reason to become separate minded from Ti and Do, that is if we want to be of one Mind with them. We can easily think that if I don’t do everything perfectly I might as well not do anything – a Luciferian ploy to turn our eyes away from doing our best for Ti and Do and their Next Level. The Next Level doesn’t need any of us to believe in them in any way. We must qualify to their standards though they give us lots of help and time to do. The traps are many but we can recover from all of them to keep moving forward.

To someone who says they have started a “Heaven’s Gate Militia” I replied:

I don’t condone violence against the govt or anyone. If we were to think of ourselves as soldiers for Ti and Do (of the real Jesus) it would be by use of our mouth – in words – the words that Ti and Do and Jesus provided us (that they also said included the red letters in the gospels, and their references to the Book of Revelations to help people see their ideas, perspectives and qualifications to become a prospective member of their Next Level Above Human.

The truth about Ti and Do will soon be lost as upon their exit started the gradual diminishing of the “light” they brought to the world. If you want a bundle of their materials give me an email address as the bundle includes audio files of meetings within the group since the early 1980’s that I was present for.

There are many misconceptions abounding and in Christian circles. Many started with the writings of Paul of Tarsus who never knew Jesus and never received instruction from him, nor was he tasked as a delegate (apostle) on his behalf. An Older Member doesn’t come incarnate if there is any other way to teach their student body what it takes to make application into membership in the Next Level.

For Christians to base what they believe on what Moses wrote, except for the things Jesus said to believe and act on, is like applying lessons given to toddler Souls when by the Jesus time they could be having a high school curriculum approaching graduation.

For instance Ti and Do were not pro or con abortion. They are always pro choice though our choices are not always going to be what they would choose and it’s not easy knowing what they would choose unless we ask them to reveal it to us.

Ti and Do said it was against their Next Level ways to be making weapons designed to kill other humans let alone using them for killing. There is no justification, but that’s to please the Next Level, which is always a choice.

Ti and Do said that it doesn’t matter one’s sexual preferences as to graduate the human kingdom one must become non-sexual because Members of the Next Level are non-sexual so one needs to build their Mind starting in the human kingdom to be “born” into their kingdom. I recall DO saying that those who are homosexual have overcome gender consciousness, though not necessarily sexual consciousness.

Ti and Do said we were all striving to be “color blind” in terms of race so we don’t act any differently to someone based on the race of their vehicle.

TI and DO were supportive of euthanasia when a human vehicle is so wrought with pain and/or has no capacity any longer to function and/or have experiences to learn lessons through.

There really is no comparison with Ti and Do and any other cults. Ti and Do referred to their group as the “cult of cults” and the “cult of truth”. There is a great deal of evidence of how Ti and Do had a way of naturally filtering out those who were not serious enough to go the full distance of graduating though they always treated each student as if they could go that full distance.

There were no abuses and there is no dirt in the Ti and Do story. Some have tried to find dirt and didn’t find any, even after listening to hundreds of hours of audio tapes. Even a number of dropouts who ceased to believe in Ti and Do have next to nothing to say against them. One said that they didn’t provide enough dental care options to students, though I got plenty of dental care. Yes there were lots of rules that developed over time but never any yelling or use of guilt or punishments or other human behaviors that are common in many organizations.

Sawyer’s Defense of Accusations Made by Former Classmate Carlan

September 19, 2017

For those that don’t know, this has gone on for probably close to ten years now. If anyone wants to see most of the history search my blog for Carlan or Crlody or Crl ody. I have claimed he makes things up, thus lies. Other times he has a point I take to heart. I have always said to him or anyone else that I’m open to criticism but it does little good to just throw out opinions when the point to this blog is to bring as much experience as I can to what Ti and Do taught. I am not against Carlan. I respect him but that doesn’t mean what he says is automatically true any more than what I say is automatically true. Ti and Do are the ultimate judges of each of us.

Here is Carlan aka Crlody’s latest list of accusations against me (in two sections) and what I am saying in my defense. I took apart his latest comment on this blog and made them into a list so I could address each and add to them if he brings up more. I want him to have his voice and I welcome constructive criticism but most of these points to me are trite and without substance as they are all about what he thinks I think about myself and how I justify what I do in writing the book, “TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses” that he opposes for some reason I have yet to understand, except in the way we all know that the more we continue the war of words against the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls and their human pawns (who don’t usually know they are pawns).

That “war” is fought by revealing more of  what’s true about Ti and Do which includes how Ti and Do were 100% consistent with all Jesus taught in the 4 gospel records (as Ti and Do said those writings could still be counted upon to be accurate because the Next Level worked very hard to be sure they remained in tact to provide clues for returning Next Level Members.

So I am putting it on record so I can just refer to it next time he posts these things as he has done many times, though I hope that’s never necessary as there are going to be much, much bigger issues to deal with in the upcoming months for all who come in this direction of “standing for Ti and Do” which is the primary and perhaps only way to stand up for the real Jesus at this time, that is for those who know about Ti and Do. Those who never hear of Ti and Do are judged by they own choices as are all, but are judged differently that those who learn about Ti and Do and Crew and ignore or go against them in some way.

Ti and Do’s judgement of us is never exercised by us as we don’t have that capacity to judge others value to the Next Level no matter what they have done, though we don’t condone breaking of the Next Level’s commandments that Jesus gave the most recent summary of in his gospels.

SECTION ONE:

So each point below was copied from what Carlan wrote followed by my reply:

1) If you believe in Ti and Do so strongly why would you continue to stay here for over 20 years after Do extended an invitation to leave?

Sawyer’s reply:

Because it’s my choice to not leave at this time.

2) Why do you care more about your blog and videos than the audio tapes made by Ti and Do?

Sawyer’s reply:

I don’t value my blog more than the audio tapes. They are not comparable in any way and as I’ve said over and over to you, we have what we have of the audio tapes and I KNOW it’s enough or Ti and Do would have seen to it that we had them all. Even so, what can I do about it. I tried a number of times to get Mark to give or sell them. You keep bringing this up yet where is your plan of action to get them. Why did DO and Crew say so many times in the letters sent to them that it was their task to decide how to handle the contents of storage and a number of other aspects.

Now I have a question, which I’ve asked before but seldom if any get a response from you…

Why did Rkkody give the audio tape masters back to Mark, even the masters pre Ti’s exit that he had copied by then? Why didn’t he copy them all first since he was suspicious of Mark and Sarah’s intentions to do the right thing, as I understand it.

I recall Gnrody telling me on the phone that right after the exit event, Sarah said to Gnrody something to the affect of, “how could they do this to us”. If I were Rkkody and heard that and knew that Mark had turned over the task to retrieve the contents of storage and had blacked out their names on one or more of those letters they received from the Class, (I don’t recall why some were blacked out while another wasn’t), I would be quite suspicious of their choices thereafter. But perhaps he took the high side and figured they had a change of mind. And since he read those letters he knew it was the intention of DO that Mark and Sarah have that task of deciding what to do with the storage contents, even though it was spelled out that Rkkody and Oscody could be used to retrieve the contents.

But maybe I’m wrong about how that all developed. If so what can you share about that and Rkkody’s choices to give all the tape masters to Mark and Sarah?

3) Why do you repeatedly bring up your 19 years in the Class as if that somehow makes you the most qualified individual on the planet to talk about Ti and Do?

Sawyer’s reply:

I bring up the 19 years because it’s true and experience can have value. I agree that it doesn’t have to be of value. But when someone asks a question, such as about when Ti scheduled the pickup in around 1980, I can tell the truth as I experienced it because I was there. So people will know that I am a first hand witness from almost the start in 1975.

I admit wholeheartedly that it’s not a measure of who I am or how dedicated I am to Ti and Do or that I learned a certain amount of lessons because of or that I know Ti and Do better than anyone else. What I have are more examples of things they said and did and in some cases why when they told us.

Whether that makes me the most qualified on the planet to talk about Ti and Do is beyond my scope to think about and doesn’t float my boat at all, as grandiose as that sounds. Yet I MAY BE one of the most qualified to do so? You would also be one of the most qualified to talk about what you experienced because we both still believe in them so no matter how much time we spent at it, we both retained that recognition and that I believe is worth a great deal more to our prospect towards pleasing Ti and Do than any time amount. There were also over 60 ody’s originally, some of which have some number in the teens in the classroom. If they retained the memories some might be able to tell me things I didn’t know and thus I wouldn’t be all that highfalutin.

I have never said that to intimidate you and I’ve never told people how long you were in the classroom. Perhaps if were in reverse shoes I could be troubled by your saying that.

Why can’t I bring it up, that’s the bigger question I have for you? Do I have to walk on eggshells in that regard because it appears to others impressive and yet to others more proof that I was duped and/or had some hidden mental condition that didn’t alert me sooner to giving myself to cult leaders, thus then a deficiency to admit.

4) One of the main reasons why I know that your “mission” is entirely self-appointed is because you are so absolutely sure that its from Ti and Do, you don’t even seem to question it.

Sawyer’s reply:

In my opinion any of those who choose to take on the service of “standing for Ti and Do” – who take on that “project,” (as Do and Crew called it), to disseminate their information (I believe in all the ways that can happen, by voice or written word or by sending documents they wrote) so that people can “have a more thorough knowledge of what they were about” (as paraphrased from one of the letters sent to Mark and Sarah, that you sent me), with the class or a new believer is because of their choice “self-appointing” themselves to take on the tasks DO appointed in writing (but not specifically to individuals), with the exception of those who were outside the classroom they mentioned in the letters, though it was also broadened in the letter to say it applied to anyone who chose to take on that project.

So maybe it was a mistake to share my many dreams and thus shot myself in the foot to tell you and others about them, sort of setting you up by implying I got the dreams and you didn’t (or perhaps you didn’t share them), so that could be seen as being lessor to Ti and Do. But to me I was so asleep, perhaps I needed those dreams to wake up a little more and at the same time could go to my head as being someone special because of them and also challenge those who hadn’t.

And by the way, I never said or thought I was “absolutely sure” I have a task from Ti and Do to write about Jesus prophecy as that indication was never in any of the dreams. I admit getting that idea from the prophecy in Rev 5:1 regarding the “book written from within the throne” and the “backside” (of the book) and in Rev 10 regarding the “Little Book” not to be spoken about until the 7th Angels trumpet sounding time that happens after the Two Witnesses have ascended back to their heavenly abodes and another indication of prophecy talk in Rev 14, after the 4 Living Beings and 24 Elders had exited that is performed in the “mid-heaven” (middle heaven) (which I suspect referred to the internet primarily).

But if it was a task in addition to the project to disseminate their information and “stand for Ti and Do”, I still don’t know that I had and am performing that task to their liking.

And for the record it wasn’t one dream. There were over 10 perhaps, but some of the earliest ones sort of merge together in my memory, and not counting some that I highly suspect were counterfeits of Do and some students I suspected from what they said and what they didn’t say or what it felt like. But pertaining to having a writing task, as I interpreted it, 1 was from Ti in 2001, 2 from DO a couple years later and a number of years after that, 2-3 or so from Students: Jwnody, Lggody (indirectly) and years later from Lvvody and Jnnody and Nrrody if I recall. I had other dreams where Do was correcting me and others where Ti seemed to help me see Spirits for a couple months in three different settings but overall maybe 6 or 7 times and then I saw nothing and that was all over years ago.

5) You actually seem to expect the world to believe you just because of your interpretation of a dream that you had. You get very defensive whenever I state that your mission is self-appointed and you always bring up your 19 years of service as if that means that I should accept the things that you say. I don’t accept what Mark says or Rio the self-appointed “soul surviving member” so why should I believe a word that you say?

Sawyer’s reply:

No, I don’t expect anyone to believe or disbelieve anything I say but anyone could and don’t see any reason to think their coming into belief because of my instrumentation would be a negative whatsoever as I keep no records of who says what and when and about what and often don’t recall names and get no monetary reward so just how humanly self serving is it? I don’t really get turned on by people elevating me in my vehicle.

I’m not responsible for what Rio or anyone else says, so why do you make that comparison as if you are the supreme judge of everyone? Can you tell me why that keeps coming up?

6) You left the Class like many, many others and you had no interest in helping RKK distribute Their Info after They left, which was Their final instruction, get our information out.

Sawyer’s reply:

I didn’t even know about what Rkkody was doing then. I had fallen way back into human life but you bring up this point over and over again. If I were to take that point of view I could say I was out spreading Ti and Do’s information in 1975 and 1994 while you were not. What does that have to do with anything?

I suspect you are just copying and pasting this comment to me, making accusations that make no sense. At least telling me that I labeled my blog “Sawyer at Heaven’s Gate” is relative to all we are talking about, however important or not, which by the way I did fix to read “Sawyer’s Application to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate”. But I need to shorten that.

7) They didn’t say anything about you writing a book or making videos or your blog or altering the audio tapes by putting your flute music on it. You have claimed to have “contacts” with the NL and then accused me of making that up and then when I pointed out where you stated that you said I “took it out of context”.

Sawyer’s reply:

When did I alter the audio tapes by putting my flute music on them? There’s no flute music on the Blackhawk tapes and those are the only ones I posted on my YouTube channel. Perhaps someone else used my music in that way but I don’t recall that, so perhaps you can point me to where that is happening. Perhaps you could have asked me if I authorized that before adding it to your list of beefs against me. And even so, why do you think it’s justified to make up “commandments” like, Thou shalt not put flute music on Do’s audio tapes. That’s what the Catholics and Jews and others did after the REP left – they made up their own rules and twisted rules to suit what they wanted to do. If you could show me where Ti and Do would have frowned on such a thing I would take it off as perhaps I did slip in that regard. Oh, perhaps you are referring to my use of flute music on my blogtalkradio site. Maybe I did do that years ago. It sort of rings a bell now but even so why not. Were you as critical of Rkkody’s making mugs and stuff to try to generate income to help him distribute tapes? I wouldn’t do that but don’t know that Ti and Do would object to either.

Yes I have claimed to have contact with the Next Level and maybe I did say you took it out of context. You are referring to my book I think. When I searched it down I realized that you were right but then when I read it again, I realized we all have that contact if we seek it out. That’s what “prayer” is based on – seeking to “contact” the Next Level “Heavenly Fathers” – what Ti and Do at times called, “picking up the phone”. I didn’t claim to have exclusive contact and I didn’t claim that it was undeniable contact but since Ti and Do did teach that the Next Level used our dream time to help us with the next day’s lessons, so we had instruction very early on to go do sleep asking to have help to “remember our dreams”. Plus we had a few times where DO told us his dream and I think one time I recall with Ti but don’t recall it, though I do recall one Do told us when he was waiting in line and felt like he got hit in the butt and woke up feeling like the message was that he wasn’t as important as he might have thought he was and he actually awoke and hours later could still feel sore on his butt where he got hit somehow. And a time or two Ti and Do had a classmate tell of their dream. I recall Ollody once doing so but don’t recall it’s content. I call those “contact”. Why wouldn’t they be contact?

If they didn’t give instructions to not do something why am I doing something wrong to do it and especially regarding writing a book about them and how all Jesus prophecy proves they were exactly who they said they were/are. The same with my video’s and this blog. Even my little bio is the bio about how my vehicle was picked to be taken by a returning Soul from the Next Level to complete their overcoming through, who failed but who was given another chance, just like the Luciferian fallen angels were given multiple chances (as Ti and Do said on the Blackhawk tapes).

8) You behave as if criticizing you is somehow criticizing Ti and Do and you have had the gall to claim that I “owe” Ti and Do for how I have criticized you.

Sawyer’s reply:

No, you have twisted that. What I criticize about what you say about me is how to accuse me of all these things while not being able to back any of them up with an instruction or behavior or way given to us from Ti and Do. It’s all about you opinion about what I should or shouldn’t do, say or shouldn’t say, think or shouldn’t think (as you often fill in the gaps with assumptions about what I’m thinking).

Re: my saying that you might be criticizing Ti and Do, had to do with your constant attack on me claiming that I don’t care about the remaining tapes not being released, which by the way isn’t true as I do care but not so much that I think it hampers anyone from growing closer to Ti and Do, because I trust that if we needed those tapes Ti and Do would have saw to it that Rkkody got all the tapes to copy or that Mark and Sarah would have had a change of heart. I don’t think Do made a mistake by not arranging to have the tapes split up among the ones he had the other materials split up between or by not having them all transcribed, a task I participated in while in the classroom, or by having them all copied and digitized professionally or by the computer people in the classroom. I don’t doubt for a minute that he would have explored the options while asking Ti what to do. So I think he didn’t get instructions to do any differently than he did or he got instructions to do exactly what he did by putting them all in storage and then instructing Mark and Sarah to get them or giving that task to Rkkody and Oscody, which ended up happening. I can’t speak to your strong feelings about this but I can speak to your condemnation of me for not going along with the degree of your anger over any other opinion/interpretation from your own as to the content of the letters that clearly give the task of deciding what to do with the contents of storage to Mark and Sarah regardless of DO and Crews hope that they would choose to disseminate them the same as with all the materials that is also very clear in the letters.

So you’ve made it your mission to follow me around on this blog and YouTube channel to “stop me” as you told me, which I guess meant stop me from talking, writing, making video’s and yet that’s not a task Do gave you did he? It’s interesting how several others really took to your mission to stop me when they got wind of your regular comments in that regard a year or two ago and yet it’s all from shallow opinions, without even circumstantial evidence from things Ti and Do taught that includes all of what Jesus taught in the 4 gospels.

I wish we could have a truce as I’ve spent hours defending myself and trying to at times make the shoe fit and wore it a few times I admit but to abide by your opinions that I should say and write nothing of my experience and just send people document packets when they ask questions doesn’t feel like the only way Ti and Do would have us disseminate their information and especially at this time when I believe it’s the extension of the Second and LAST “WAVE” that started in the 1990’s and complete phase one by 1997. (Jwnody called the book/website “phase one” if I recall and said they didn’t know if there would be another phase.)

9) Your mission is not from Ti and Do. Your mission is for the purpose of getting attention for yourself but your righteousness blinds you to that. No, I cant “prove” it to you just like you cant prove that you are on a task for the NL. Your “mission” is just an excuse to continue to stay here. Interesting that you went out of your way to find fault with me for wrestling with staying on this planet. Why would you find fault with someone who doesn’t want to be here? Is it because you’re afraid to leave here but you refuse to admit it? I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that those thoughts of yours don’t come from the NL. Maybe its you who owes Ti and Do an explanation for why you care more about what you have to say about the NL than what They had to say.

Sawyer’s reply:

What did I say that found fault with your wanting to not stay on this planet? Please be specific. I remember when you were hinting at planning to exit. I might admit that was over 10 years ago and at that time I was still dealing with an influence who didn’t want to consider exiting, though I asked DO if I needed to prepare myself to exit as they did, so I wasn’t that far gone then or I wouldn’t have had the courage to ask that question. For the record he came to me in a dream immediately after that and said only, “You need to give your life,” something I can imagine him saying and I admit feeling relieved to hear that as it gave me the option and decided right then to give my life by telling the truth knowing that the chips might fall to where someone accelerates me out of this vehicle because of.

But even if I did say something to you about your desire to exit, which I don’t recall directly talking about, but do recall your hinting about so I may have said something about that you recall as “find fault” with that desire, at that time I also broke through that influence and ceased shying away from the fact that Do left the gate open for a short period of time that may or may not have passed. I would guess it hasn’t passed. But I was also being potentially snared by at least two people at different times who told me they were thinking about exiting because they thought they would come back to a better life. I didn’t know if they were just trying to snare me into encouraging their suicide or were deluded to thinking death of their vehicle would solve their problems in life. One said he had been living on the street in Philadelphia and he acted as if he believed in Ti and Do but then would say things about his mission he was given while on another planet to come to earth to lead people and was making up a mixture of Ti and Do terms with a complete spiritual “ye are god’s” mindset, which I pointed out to him and a lot of this is still on my blog. The other person was a different story altogether. That’s when I put together the full breath of all the things DO and Class wrote on exiting and saw that Stmody wrote about how “suicide” to escape life lessons wasn’t of value. You can call that looking for justification not to leave but that’s not your business to point out to me. Why would anyone want anyone to exit when they don’t feel it’s right for them to do. There are people all the time who appear to so easily try to commit suicide. I don’t know if they hate the world and perhaps they all have their Souls saved but perhaps not.

I’m also frightened by the idea that some might get so angry with the facts I know about how Ti and Do fulfill all the prophecies that someone might eventually seek to force my vehicles exit. However, I’m at least brave enough for the moment to continue to push the information out there and willing to exit in that way and frankly don’t disqualify my exiting as They did. That option looked a whole lot easier when I was in pain from Lymes disease and couldn’t walk. When life in the vehicle is miserable it’s a whole lot easier to want to exit and also when life is going fairly well enough it’s quite hard to put one’s head on the chopping block, which I am sure has yet to get started for us, while some humans do have a fairly easy life yet witness injustice or take jobs that jeopardize their lives to save others (like firefighters) or whistle blowers, etc. Perhaps they have overcome clinging to their human vehicles but I don’t think Ti and Do would see them in the same light as those who join the military to become hired killers or who strap bombs to their bodies and walk into a crowded square, etc. They aren’t afraid to die either. I do remember writing that I can see Lucifer encouraging people to exit, especially if by doing so they can keep them from disseminating their experience with Ti and Do. But I may have been giving into an influence to think that.

After all, if you were of a mind to exit, what could I say to stop you. I presume you would have already done as Do said and screamed to the Next Level in your privacy to see if it was write for you and that from doing that if it was right you would then have the courage.

When you tell me what is not, I know that you don’t know what is not in regards to my relationship with Ti and Do and what I hear is your own pent up anger and like I said a type of vendetta for when I suggested to someone one time that you found, that I am the most outspoken former member, I said to impress someone by and knew immediately when you confronted me with my saying that, that I had given into an influence to use my mouth in that way – an ego influence I knew I had – a booger I still deal with, though think I have for the moment a handle on but see crop up in my life in various ways in my head. I know how to combat those influences but I admit I can easily be tricked but have never said that since and am not guilty for the thoughts I might have in that regard as Ti and Do taught that what we are guilty about is when we let those thoughts manifest into words and actions.

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new post from carlan:

‘This site is dedicated to the sharing of my experience as a student of Ti and Do for 19 years”. Interesting that you make no mention in your site’s description of the information that the Class left behind with very specific instructions that it be distributed.

Also, no mention that the Information that the Class left behind is going to be more accurate than anything that you have to say, you know, considering that it is Ti and Do instructing the students in the audio tapes and this site is just your own personal feelings and observations since you left the Class. But of course you “don’t care” that the Information that the Class specifically wanted disseminated is being suppressed. You care about your book that was the “little book” mentioned in Revelation because you believe it is part of your “mission” and “task” for the NL.

Say, what did Do think of the prophecies in Revelation that you claim that you are fulfilling by writing your “little book”? “We’re not trying to lock in on what we’re doing with fulfillment of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation, or Isaiah, or anyplace else” Beyond Human, session 11. You’ve called me a “broken record” in the past and yet perhaps you are a broken record by continuing to insist that what you have been doing for the past 15 years is in service to the NL. Just because you make that claim and have conned yourself and your followers into believing it doesn’t necessarily make it true Sawyer. You can’t even keep track of what you say Sawyer. I told you about how you had given me a hard time in a personal message regarding my wrestling with being on planet earth and you asked me to be “more specific”. Like I already said, it was a personal message on fb and the fact that you don”t remember it is maybe an indication that you should think a little bit more before you go giving your unsolicited opinion on what I’m personally wrestling with. I try to keep my criticisms of you to your claims about what you state that you believe that you are doing for the NL. For your own sake it’s great that you decided that your human life was unfulfilling but that doesn’t mean that the NL wanted you to spend 15 years writing your blog, doing blogtalk and making videos with your take on what Ti and Do were all about.

Why should I go to you for info on the NL when the NL left information behind that They very specifically wanted distributed? Compared to the information left behind by Do and the Class ANYTHING that you say about the NL is going to be diluted and colored by your own personal programming. It’s interesting that compared to your rambling blog and videos you seem to have no interest in the audio tapes that were made, including all those that were made after you left. It’s a crime against the NL that Mark and Sarah lied to RKK to obtain the tapes and continue to suppress them even though Mark assured RKK that he would.

As far as I can tell no former class members seem to care, not you, not Rio, not JHN. You once gave me a hard time for having conflicts with former members like the aforementioned individuals. Why would I want to “get along” with those who don’t care about going against Do and the Class’ wishes that Their info be distributed? The same individuals who have lied to glorify themselves in the name of Ti and Do?

No, we’re not in a Class with an OM present and we are not all working towards the same goal and I am not obligated to anyone who is on planet earth. Since the Class is over we’re not all on the same page and I’m not obligated to ANY former class members for anything that I do. RKK and I tried to take the higher side with Rio and the Kings and it was thrown back in our faces. I got along with RKK well enough to make as much of the info available as we could. I’ve been skeptical of you and your mission from the beginning when you started talking about your dreams in which you claimed contact with Do and the Class.

And it’s become clear to me over the years that your primary interest is in having your voice heard, not in distributing Ti and Do’s info. You’ve accused me of making up lies about you when I cited things that you yourself have said and you had the gall to state that I somehow owe Ti and Do for what I’ve said about you.

Maybe you owe Ti and Do for trying to bring Them into it because you can’t remember what you said and when you said it and played the victim when you were held accountable. Maybe you owe RKK for trying to find fault with him fore giving the tapes to Mark when you couldn’t even remember the circumstances of what happened correctly. If it wasn’t for RKK there would be NO audio tapes available, nothing for you to put your flute music over. You should be thanking him instead of being low and petty and trying to find fault with him. Interesting that you thought you would be in a position to point fingers at RKK when you turned down his request for help in carrying out the class’ desires back in 1997. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. How many hours did you spend digitizing the tapes? How many hours did you spend distributing the materials to libraries across the country? How much of your own $ did you spend on disseminating the Class’ (not your) info? How many FedEx packages did you receive from the Class after They left including the disks with the instructions to upload Their Final statements and Press release?

How many public meetings did you hold where you showed a video of Do and made the materials available and opened yourself up to ridicule and grilling by the press?

I’m saying this to toot RKK’s horn. And you have the arrogance to call what you’re doing on the internet “brave”. I’ve been called all kinds of names online. That doesn’t mean that it takes bravery to state I believe in Ti and Do while sitting behind a keyboard. To your credit you did admit that calling yourself the “most outspoken” proponent of Ti and Do was a mistake but I still see you drawing attention to yourself and wanting recognition for your 19 years in the Class.

Quite frankly, you largely do not know what you’re talking about much of the time. You claimed in one of your writings that RKK had already left the Class when you left in Sept of 94 from the warehouse in Orange Cty, CA. Actually RKK didn’t leave until several months later in the spring of 1995 when the Class was building the earthship in New Mexico.

How many times have you mentioned your 19 years in the Class versus how many times have you tried to draw attention to the audio tapes that were left behind? How many times have you said that you “don’t care” that that audio tapes that the Class wanted to be disseminated are being suppressed? How many times have you mentioned that you had NO interest in helping distribute Their info after They left in 1997 when RKK asked you if you wanted to help?

What if this whole thing that you’ve been doing all these years is for your own ego? Adding your flute music to an audio tape of Ti and Do? In Their final letters They stated that They wanted the information distributed, They didn’t say anything about altering it by adding your personal touch with music.

We got suckered by the lower forces working through Austin into believing that we were serving the NL by catering to Austin’s influences. After that incident it became clear to me how dangerous it was to throw “pearls before swine” and how beyond distributing the info there really is NO task here for the NL as far as any kind of public interface goes.

At times your arrogance is astounding. You may try to deny this one and ask me to be “more specific” but one of the many times that I stated that I was done communicating with you you actually had the gall to say that you hoped I wasn’t giving up on Ti and Do and the NL.

Yes sawyer, because I was sick of your particular brand of b.s. I MUST have been questioning the reality of Ti and Do and the NL.

I’m sure Mark and Sarah believe that by copyrighting and suppressing the Class’ info that they are serving the NL. Rio and Marc probably thought that they were serving the NL by going on Art Bell and attacking RKK and telling lies about him and their tasks.

You seem to believe that everything that you have done online for the past 15 years has been for the Next Level. You have accused me of a “self-righteous vendetta” for daring to hold you accountable for your extraordinary claims that you make in the name of Ti and Do.

But what if you are on a self-righteous and self-appointed mission Sawyer? Do you seriously expect the world to accept your interpretations of dreams that you’ve had and based on that accept that you’re on a mission for the NL? Maybe the reason why you get so defensive and start playing the victim when you are held accountable for your claims is because you aren’t 100% comfortable with your claims?

Maybe this whole mission that you made up for yourself and are trying to get the world to accept is about you wanting attention and recognition just like how Austin used HG to garner attention for himself. I will never believe in your mission and I don’t need you to help me “decide” who to give my “allegiance” to. Maybe the NL doesn’t need you to help individuals decide either? If I were you I’d project an apology to RKK and to Ti and Do for trying to find fault with him, it was a pretty mean-spirited and petty attack on someone who isn’t even here, someone who has shown FAR more dedication to the NL than any of us here considering that he left twice by his own hand. And maybe try being quiet for once and do some introspection instead of whining to the internet yet again about “accusations” against you and playing the martyr card every time that you’re held accountable for the things that you’re doing in Ti and Do’s name. Criticism of you and your made-up mission is not and never will be criticism of Ti and Do and the Next Level despite what you have conned yourself into believing.

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Sawyers responses to Carlan’s comment:
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I do that distribution of the HG Book and the Audio Tapes, etc. as well whenever someone asks. It’s all helping people see in greater depth what Ti and Do were all about as they said was hoped for in the letter sent to Mrc and Srf.

I may have been out of place years ago to spend so much time explaining to people what is in their Book and on the tapes. I did recognize that I was soft peddling their extension of the choice to exit as they did, to go with them to where they were going as opposed to being “saved” from the recycling. But when I saw that I sought to correct it and put together a blog post to show all the ways they thought about our choices going forward and how everyone actually could grow closer to them without feeling like the only choice was to exit in the way they did. I know that is justifying my own choice not to exit by my own hand but it’s not a self justification because the options didn’t come from me. Do spoke about those options in great detail in several of his video’s, exit and Beyond Human video’s and Jwnody wrote about it as well. I know that Ti and Do want us all to make the choices that feel most right to us, whatever they are and along with that do want us to believe in Them because they know they are the ones who have the “key” to that Heaven’s Gate and that all God’s children grow at different rates and that no one else should guilt us into submission. We need to give ourselves to the Next Level because we really want to.

I never found fault with Rkkody at all. I was simply pointing out that he was doing the best he could with his task for the Next Level. I admit bringing up some of his choices – selling mugs and other paraphernalia to offset the cost of distributing the information as his choice to do and NOT WRONG, though I hadn’t seen Ti and Do do that, though in a sense I guess one could say working for humans to put food on the table was in a sense the same kind of thing. And we also sold the Transfiguration Diet book. In fact I sold them during my lunch hour when we lived in Dallas and I was at my out of craft task and had a car because I was the assigned driver in our car pool.

I don’t understand how you could know if Do and Ti and/or certain students did contact me through dreams or not! I don’t expect you to believe that and I don’t expect that I got the right interpretations, if it was from them but they always said the Next Level used our dream time to help us with lessons and perhaps my sharing them was not what DO would have had me do. I know it can look like bragging and like the religious who claim contact with Jesus, etc. Jesus did teach that prayer was private and that one would receive responses to our prayer in private. So I guess I won’t know is that was right to do in this circumstance until I’m back in their company if they choose to save my Soul for another opportunity.

Rkkody never asked me to help him except in some way regarding his exit and I admit at that time being far more asleep than I am now.

I never found fault with Rkkody at all. I was simply pointing out that he was doing the best he could with his task for the Next Level. I admit bringing up some of his choices – trying to sell mugs and other paraphernalia to offset the cost of distributing the information, because of what I saw as a double standard in your judgement of my choices verses his. I see that was another mistake of mine as it seems to have just made you more furious sounding. I had felt to offer you that viewpoint for years but didn’t until I finally did.

I had heard that Mark may have found fault with Rkkody over that but I never did even in my mind. I hadn’t seen Ti and Do do that, though in a sense I guess one could say working for humans to put food on the table was in a sense the same kind of thing. And we also sold the Transfiguration Diet book. In fact I sold them during my lunch hour when we lived in Dallas and I was at my out of craft task and had a car because I was the assigned driver in our car pool.

You don’t know if Do and Ti and certain students did contact me through dreams or not! I don’t expect you to believe that and I don’t expect that I got the right interpretations, if it was from them but they always said the Next Level used our dream time to help us with lessons.

 

You don’t know if Do and Ti and certain students did contact me through dreams or not!

I didn’t know when Rkk left the last time. If I acted like I knew that it was a typo. I have no desire to be inaccurate in any regard though I admit making mistakes that I correct when they are pointed out.

You make many assumptions and say things as facts about what I think and do and they are not and yet never respond to my responses and then keep repeating the same accusations so after a while it appears that you believe what is actually untrue.

You seem to have an agenda as you told me in a facebook message to stop me while you hold yourself up high in self righteousness and your tiny, tiny evidence is my site descriptions that doesn’t say that much.

What difference does it make how many times I said this verses that. Who’s got the talley? How trite are your accusations as if you are the scorekeeper over me.

In terms of distributing Ti and Do’s information, who has the talley on that – you?

Why isnt’ my experience hearing what Ti and Do said valid distribution of their information?

Maybe putting flute on that one little snippet for my blog talk radio show was tacky or perhaps Do and Ti would have wished I didn’t do that but without an instruction or procedure you can site it’s like anything else. They didn’t say what not to do. You are creating you own opinion about that while claiming that I am giving my own opinion about things. The difference is that you are on the attack without evidence. Why is that?

If I dilute something then tell me what it is and I will examine it. If I distort something then tell me what it is. At least tell me that you even read what I say or read it to find the higher side. I’ve never thrown anything in your face so shouldn’t you take the higher side with me as you and Rkkody tried to do with others? What have I said or done that doesn’t deserve even that little bit of respect?

You state that “you largely do not know what you’re talking about much of the time” – okay fine, so give me some examples, otherwise you are stating something that is not necessarily true.

For me it has required degrees of bravery to do a lot of the media I’ve done. It took bravery to give public meetings and talk to the press while in Ti and Do’s classroom as well. Maybe for you it’s not brave but maybe it’s harder for me and you’ve conquered that sheepishness.

I don’t think that everything I do is for the Next Level.

Can you be specific as to your claim that I have made “extraordinary claims that you make in the name of Ti and Do.”

If I am on a self righteous self appointed mission that’s between me and Ti and Do. But for the record if you actually watched these video’s you would see that I often don’t think I have the ultimate “right” interpretation on some parts of scripture.

As far as self appointed, I was honestly seeking to serve Ti and Do again in 2001 many years before I had dreams and began writing the book that I just published where I saw those Revelation verses that seemed to indicate the plan of there being a “backside (history)” to the overall BOOK (Rev 5:1) and the Little Book descriptions in Rev chapter 10. But I never really thought that applied to any one person and certainly not specifically to me, except in how I did feel to write about all the Jesus prophecy.

Do and Ti never justified themselves with prophecy but certainly talked about prophecy points. Do held a meeting where he had us bring bibles to one time during the entire time I was with them and interpreted Rev 12:1 as the “woman” being TI (TI wasn’t at that meeting as it was before she exited her vehicle).

You act as if the Next Level is static and there is no one else who can be in their service yet that’s not what Do talked about as the Three Types of people who could be saved….AFTER they left physically.

So who is influencing you to be so against my showing anyone who ever counted Jesus as someone from the Kingdom of God, Next Level how all Jesus said and did was talking about what Ti and Do fulfiilled? Who wants to keep that truth from being spread far and wide (if the Next Level chooses for it to be through whoever)?

Why do you seem to be more concerned about my spreading that truth than that truth becoming available in a way it hasn’t been done before that I’m aware of?

Even after saying that I’m reminded that the Next Level doesn’t need me or anyone else to do their work because as Jesus said, they can raise up stones to praise God. But they also have shown that it’s part of the program that some can continue their overcoming by being of service in that way.

By the way, I have no “followers,” in the context you often seem to imply, as if I’m trying to or even capable of being someone’s leader.

I don’t expect anyone to believe anything about me or about Ti and Do or about anything. That’s not a concern of mine at all. To the contrary I do expect more attacks on anyone and everyone who give their allegiance to the Next Level versus the Luciferian run human kingdom of governments and religions and wealth accumulation, and false god worship (working for), etc.

What claims am I uncomfortable with?

I guess you have sought to hold me accountable, so that’s fine. Sometimes you have said things that I have taken to heart. I know I have influences and make mistakes and talk too much sometimes or write too much or do a poor job of writing and have given opinions that may not be from Ti and Do’s mind and one of those influences can have me display what to others might seem like arrogance, which I hate when I see myself giving into. But then again, if I know something I’m not going to act like I don’t so I don’t come across as arrogant, because there are many that can think I’m being arrogant because they don’t know what I know and I do know some things. I’ll give you an example. I know that Ti and Do are from the Next Level and that everything they taught and did was a perfect example of the greatest truth anyone could find and what I wish to become and mimic. If that sounds arrogant than so be it. In that case it’s not an influence.

Maybe you could be more accountable to many of the things you say against me. Not accountable to me but to make sure it’s related to instructions and lesson steps Ti and Do and Jesus gave us. As otherwise isn’t it “finding fault” without cause as Jesus warned us against doing and as Ti and Do put in the words to their song…

Help me have no human ways
No thoughts of self
No faults to see
Only the ways of Space
Now I know my heart is fast
In my Father’s path at last
Only the Ways of Space
Only the Ways of Space

For those that may read this and never heard that song it was sung to the Beethoven music called “Jesus meine Freund” (Jesus my friend). I don’t think we ever sang that aloud or as a group as it’s a type of prayer and as Jesus also taught it’s private to be done in our personal “closet”.

However, when someone does find fault with us, we can still benefit from it. Ti and Do called that “making a positive out of a negative” something they said many times that the Next Level were very good at doing.

I know I’m being “defensive” and in the context of the classroom such was inappropriate. If a check partner brought something up to us that was supposed to only be things to where we were breaking “procedures”, behaviors and ways, our response, besides trying to understand fully what they are saying or agreeing with them would be to say “thank you, I’ll examine that” rather than to give justifications of ourselves and/or to then strike back at them in some way. We were required to offer that help to our partners but we didn’t offer that help to anyone else in the class. If we saw someone else breaking procedure the instruction was to write a note to Ti and Do about it.

In this setting it would seem to be different, but perhaps I’m wrong about that. But if I didn’t “defend” against certain accusations or inaccurate statements, presumptions to know how I think and what my motivation is – judgements against me, though I know they don’t necessarily have any bearing on what Ti and Do think (though they may), to date I feel to respond. Maybe that’s a fault of mine sometimes but of course even that can be twisted, so some could find fault with my defense.

By the way I don’t feel “brave” to be doing what I’m doing now. But there was a time when I said things to someone, correcting them in things they would say that I thought I understood were’t from Ti and Do’s mind, that I could bring evidence to them about (though often left to interpretation I know) , that I had fear about what they might say back to me. I guess after years of doing this in a full time way, I don’t deal with that fear any longer. Sometimes I was also hurt by things said and wanted to lash back and did sometimes and/or said things I know were not from Ti and Do’s mind to say, having some misplaced anger, etc.

** Further comments from Crlody (Carlan) and Sawyer’s responses:

crlody:
These conflicts between us only serve to distract individuals from the information that the Class left behind. We need to be satisfied with that information as the most direct, undiluted Next Level information on the planet. By your actions you are not satisfied with that information and want recognition for your take on what the Class was about. By your own words you “don’t care” that much of that information is being suppressed. You want recognition for being “brave” in your self-appointed NL mission and if you didn’t want recognition for that then why even bring it up?

Sawyer:
You must never read my comments back to you because I’ve explained probably over a dozen times what I mean by the out of context, “don’t care” about the surpassed audio tapes. That was not an accurate thing to say as to how I feel about it but again I got worn down so did say it that way but since then, even over years have clarified that I do care but have no recourse to get them released that I would feel good about and know that we have everything we need. I trust Ti and Do to have provided all we need to take further steps in our overcoming and provision of service (mission) for Ti and Do. As I recall, but could be wrong about, Ti and Do didn’t like using that word “mission” pertaining to themselves. They spoke as having or giving a “task”, or an “assigned task” and/or “project” and/or “process” and/or program as far as I recall.

What do you propose we do to try to get those tapes remaining audio tapes released?

You sound like you think you have authority to tell me what I should or should not be doing, saying my actions show that I’m not “satisfied with that information” (from Ti and Do) because I write/talk about related scriptures and signs, etc. while DO and TI are who gave us the many, many references to scriptures and parts of the Book of Revelations, not me, so I’m following their lead in that. If you could point to things Ti and Do said that indicate what NOT to think, say and do then you’d have some credence but even the few remote references hardly criticize my efforts in that regard.

I think you could learn to look for the positive in what others do, and “forgive” our trespasses against others as we want our trespasses to be forgiven and especially so when you have no grounds to see them as negatives in Ti and Do’s mind from the information they left behind.

I agree their info is the most direct, undiluted info on the planet. Part of their information is the Jesus record (See the back of the Heaven’s Gate book and how many times DO spoke about Jesus and Ti as well, though they never quoted chapter and verse) that you seem to choose not to include – the entire record in the 4 gospels and we can’t ignore how much of the Book of Revelations DO spoke about so can’t disqualify those provisions of information.

I brought up before that to me it did require some bravery (however minor) to put myself in the public eye in 1997 and then again in 2002 and thereafter at times. I only brought up “bravery” because you kept on reminding me that I didn’t have the courage to exit as they did which I don’t disagree with, though have no reason to believe not having that courage means the end of my learning lessons and providing Ti and Do service until I do exit this vehicle (by whatever means, not actually ruling out leaving as they did).

Crlody:
Ti and Do were brave as were all those who followed Them out of here. You’re here because you’re afraid to leave. Just like everyone else. You’re not special. The world doesn’t need Sawyer’s take on what the class was about to grow closer to the NL. What if I said that I had a dream in which Do told me that you are completely off-track and not serving the NL with this mission of yours? Would you tell me it must not have been Do in my dream? How would either of us “prove” it either way? You can never prove that you are for the NL Sawyer, it’s something that you believe and you seem to expect the world to believe you too. considering that you haven’t shut up about it for ten plus years running now If you claim that you have contacts with the NL and you also claim that you “don’t care” that a significant portion of the NL mind that was left here by the class is being suppressed then I must state that your “contacts” are not from the NL. The Class wanted the tapes distributed. RKK knew it, I know it but you don’t care because you are more interested in your own blog, your own book and your own videos than you are in listening to Do instruct the students in the ways and thinking of the NL.

Maybe the reason that you get so defensive and you behave as if you’re almost a martyr for the NL is because deep down you know that you could be wrong about all of your claims.

Sawyer:

Constant exaggerations and misrepresentations of what I think come out of your pen on a regular basis. How do you know what I think unless I give it to you. Who gives you that information that makes you sound so confident?

I am not trying to prove to anyone that I am for the Next Level but I am trying to offer evidence that Ti and Do were from the Next Level as the return of the Father and Jesus. Can you explain to me what’s wrong with that?

I’m wondering if you are drunk or stoned when you write these comments as they ramble along with preconceived opinions you self justify that are often telling me what I think and feel and experience and should not do. Do you ever wonder what Ti and Do think of your accusations against me?

And then if I respond which I always do, you call me defensive. Isn’t that called in the world a type of “bait and switch” you are employing, or maybe it’s the “straw horse” or some other phrase that’s been popularized for that kind of form of deception. It’s hardly straight forward as we were taught to communicate and Jesus also spoke about.

Ti and Do taught that dreams could be used by the Next Level to help us with our lessons. It was personal and when Ti and Do had us tell them of our dreams, which they encouraged us to program our vehicles to remember when we went “down” (to bed), they sometimes gave their impression of the dream and sometimes told us about their dreams. The biggest point to dreams is that they are personal and not meant to talk about anyone else so the idea that you could have a dream that said I was off track wouldn’t be consistent with what they taught just like if I had a dream that you were off track. I’m not saying those kinds of dreams are impossible to have but they would be from the lower forces not from the Next Level based on all I recall they taught about dreams.

I also have no desire for the “world” to believe anything I say but you keep repeating stuff like that as if a broken record.

You are all about, almost 100% related to me all about what “I’m not” whether to you or to others and to Ti and Do which is a big pointer of where such thoughts come from because you don’t know what I am to Ti and Do right now, nor to anyone else. All you can do, as I is talk about what you believe or feel about me, which you’ve done so many times now I had to compile them into a blog post so to not allow you to sow news seeds of misinformation about me.

crlody:
To your credit you’re one of the very few former class members I’ve known who takes responsibility for why they left the Class. RKK did too. And of course for your own sake I’m glad that you decided that you found the human life unsatisfying. But how can you be sure that “give your life” in a dream means that you’re supposed to be doing all that you’re doing?

Sawyer: To me that’s apples and oranges re: my belief that Do said to me in a dream, when I asked (not during a dream) if I should “prepare to lay down my life as they did”, “you need to give your life”. That’s not saying I’m supposed to do what I’m doing. I don’t know if what I did with the book and other biblical based writings/speakings is approved by Ti and Do. They may not see any value to it, though for other reasons to include subsequent dreams I have impressions that it was a positive thing to do for the overall mission at this point in time THAT THEY GAVE TO ALL OF US. It was by delving into the Revelations to show how they all can legitimately translate and be interpreted as being fulfilled by Ti and Do, specifically because of their teachings and experiences over the years, that I couldn’t deny their potential value to at the very least provide the challenge to Christians who say they are waiting for Jesus to return. It faces them with the truth and I guess it’s possible some are still growing souls. I don’t know. I don’t try to discern all that. It’s enough to do, to try to keep up with all the misinformation seeds sown out there on a daily basis.

Crlody:
Are you getting specific instructions from Ti and Do in dreams to say all that you’re saying? They told you that you are “brave” and that it doesn’t matter that the audio tapes that They wanted disseminated are being suppressed? That makes no sense and I think deep down you know it doesn’t but you are so thoroughly convinced, so thoroughly RIGHTEOUS about everything you’re doing being some “task” for the NL that you refuse to hear anything to the contrary. The more that I tell you that I don’t believe in your task the more you will continue to believe in it as you take that resistance to mean you’re being persecuted because of the rightness of your mission. Don’t confuse your own will with Ti and Do’s will. You don’t represent Them. You can’t explain the lessons presented by Ti and Do on the audio tapes better than they can.

Swyody:
No absolutely not. I haven’t got any “instructions” from dreams or any other way. I agree with Rkkody, that’s not the way it works but we can get “ideas” about things to think or say or do, but they can’t necessarily be counted on unless we can see them verified by things in the legitimate records with all Ti and Do taught as the ultimate authority. I know I suggested that the Ceres lights were not Space Aliens on that dwarf planet. I don’t think I’m wrong about that because DO said that the space aliens couldn’t travel very far away from the earth anymore. However, I don’t know how far that is. But if we can count on what Jesus said about where the “signs” would come from going forward through the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies, as Ti and Do taught we could pertaining to the “red letters” in the 4 gospels then we can surmise that that space aliens wouldn’t be allowed to interfere with those “signs” seen in the “sun, moon and stars” (which I believe stars comes from the Greek “Aster” as a lighted object seen traversing from east to west, thus a comet, and I also think stars could be considering the plants as to us with the naked eye they look the same as stars. With Pluto I came up with interpretation because I knew the content of the first movie script and the pictures Ollody drew/airbrushed. Both Pluto and Ceres are strongly linked to Rev 6:8, to show their influence during the time of the “green horse”. When I saw a number of cross referenced records, the same as with Rev 11 Two Witnesses and Rev 12 “woman” and lots more, like the “Briefing” Ti “remembered” before she left in Rev 4, it’s like hard to deny there is a strong potential match of those ideas to those prophecies, yet I still do not know for sure if I got those right but it’s part of when they occurred as well that to me is part of that puzzle. And there have been many more “signs”. We didn’t need those “signs”. I think safe to say no one who was in their classroom needed any of those signs but now, it’s impossible to tell who can benefit from being able to see those mysteries uncovered.

Crlody:
Once again, go complain to your followers about all the “accusations” that you have to weather while on your important mission for the Next Level. RKK never felt like he was here to explain what the class was about. And he even was sent back after his first attempt at leaving. And he never saw it as being sent back, he always maintained that he “botched” the attempt.

Sawyer:
This to me sounds like sarcasm, though I could be wrong but if it is, which you can examine I think you would agree it’s not a characteristic of a member of the Next Level.

I am not comparing myself to Rkkody, nor anyone else, nor that I have any different mission than anyone else, nor why he botched the first exit. I only considered that it wasn’t botched so that he could do a few more tasks for the Next Level before he left, but I could be wrong about that but I know it’s possible that’s why it was botched or that the Next Level made a positive out of the “botch”.

I have no followers but I admit when it comes up, and some ask me or comment about our back and forth I get worn out, so probably do come across as complaining. I’ll try not to duplicate that further.

Underground Cities and the Futile Race to Prepare for Forcast Planetary Recycling of the Human Civilizational “Garden”

September 8, 2017

Underground Cities and the Futile Race to Prepare for Forcast Planetary Recycling of the Human Civilizational “Garden”

There has been a great deal of evidence, though mostly underground that the US govt and other governments have been building underground cities for at least the last 40 years, before so called “global warming” and “climate change” were made into buzz words and attached to coming about because of humans.

This was forecast to take place:

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

There is also ample evidence of global cooling and global warming well before the combustion engine was developed. There is the “little ice age”. Plus there have been major hurricanes all over the planet, often called typhoons dated well before the industrial revolution.

The reasons for the underground cities seems to be initially to hide what was happening in relationship to the Space Aliens that became evident on earth in the 1940’s and 1950’s via UFO Crashes (that were initially staged by returning members of the Physical Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human, but were followed by facsimili crashes to confuse humans who would confiscate and cover up that truth. The need for underground cities was compounded in the 1960’s out of fear of nuclear war with the Soviet Union but it escalated further with one of the first near miss asteroids back in the 1990’s.

I believe one of the reasons the DEMS (Gore, etc.) began to promote the human caused climate change, because some may have actually believed it, but along with the fact that to have an energy source that wasn’t so hard to generate and store, for their underground city development meant needing to direct money to alternative power development and to boost nuclear developments that continued after 3 mile island and Chernobyl (but not in the public sectors, though there are a number of new nuke projects underway for general power).

But nuke fuel development continued all along and is used to power the many space satellites and scopes because it’s light weight fuel cells can power the electronics relatively indefinitely. But even solar and wind energy system development, though cleaner aren’t safe from what’s happening all over the earth, especially at this time and to come. For instance for those who watch the sun activity (and it’s no coincidence that there are several space telescopes that watch the sun 24/7, and the video streams are available for anyone to watch.

Just like the building of underground shelters is an obvious sign that elites in particular know what’s coming though misunderstand from whom and why, watching the sun is another obvious sign. As a matter of fact watching the sun shows lots of evidence that the solar wind from coronal mass ejections are the most significant cause of global warming and climate changes as the gamma radiation bursts have escalated and especially at this time, which heats up the air and water all over the earth when those bursts (CME and Solar Flares) are earth facing.

There is evidence accumulated over the last 20 or so years that following these bursts goes right to the core of the earth and moves the magma (rock and/or molten carbon that is throughout the western US several hundred miles beneath the surface, that also can cause tetonic plates to move, thus earthquakes and volcanic eruption activity that in the last 15 years especially has escalated a great deal and can not be logically tied to human fossil fuel burning.

However, there are humans and it’s also part of the propaganda machine to say all of these “natural” events are being driven by humans using HARPP and chem-trail weather modification experiments and fracking, etc. but then can’t explain how these kinds of events have been happening all throughout recent recorded history, though are at an all time high (though can be argued that we now have better ways to measure seismic activity, etc.)

So at this time, since many can see how the religions have all become corrupted from their original founders teachings, they gravitate to putting their “faith” in what we’re told is “science” which in many respects has become a new form of “religion” (belief system) that is believed by many no matter what is said and anyone who questions what we are told becomes a dissident and is put down and shunned as unaware and not intelligent with all their name calling while most of the media tows the various party lines – most often filled with propaganda that if one investigates finds out their “science” is often pseudo science to keep funding and to not become as libel when things go wrong with the “science”, the same as occurs with the religions as things go wrong with their organizations.

Coverups are the norm and taking advantage of every mishap goes along with the coverups and propagandizing to redirect wealth to black budgeted programs galore. Examples are how the elites profited by Katrina and Sandy which I know will happen with Harvey and now with Irma, etc.

I follow a number of Christian YouTube science geeks and love what they are observing through the NASA and other earth geological and space science department sources but see their correlation with prophecies, though accurate on one level often not contextual with their own “scriptures” they have been brainwashed to pay attention to while ignoring many others that paint a different picture entirely, so much so that many Christians have unbeknown to them become their own dreaded antichrist.

The truth is that the earth was designed and is not in any danger of drying up or blowing up, but is equip to start a recycling when the designer living Beings choose to instigate those processes, which they do gradually in their time frame which is like 1 day to them like 1000 years to humans so we get breaks in between disasters where we can ponder what happened each time, and even forget about it and not link it with anything.

However, the time in between natural and man made calamities may become much shorter as a recycling is on the docket that’s no longer just hearsay. The earth was going to be recycled this time via “fire” and that fire includes the solar wind and the increase in humans showing what they are passionate about even including hate of others. And then there are the massive fires on the more physical level resulting from drought most focused in the western states that became the new “temple” geography. And that’s not all by far. The sun can send out a burst that fries most all our electronics, though no doubt the elites are preparing for that too but are no match for the Next Level’s sun developments.

One could also pay attention to the FRB’s (fast radio bursts) detected from space in 2015 and just now in 2017. Ever since the so called Roswell crashes there has been a major effort to build satellite dishes that just exist to receive radio signals from space, another so called coincidence and clue to reality. There was a spike detected in 2015 and just this past august of 2017 days after the great American eclipse another burst followed by Hurricane Harveys devastation of Houston and surrounding areas.

And then there is the Houston Connection to those who were named Ti and Do of the Heaven’s Gate “cult” but I’ll leave that to those who seek it out. But in short, there is a great deal of evidence that they were the return of the One called The Father (Jehovah) and the One who was in the flesh vehicle named “Jesus” as He foretasted.

We all can benefit from looking at the whole picture so that we can be prepared for what is to come and help others with that preparation as people will be dying left and right from heart failure seeing all that’s happening that is so fearful because they have not opened up to seek out more of what’s most true and real about everything.

Death of our and other’s human bodies is not pleasant to deal with but it’s not the end of our “life” unless we don’t while in a body gravitate to showing the Next Level Above Human our allegiance, instead of to humans and human governments and organizations and belief or non-belief systems. We can do that by projecting our asking for help with showing that allegiance to the highest Living Being we can imagine who exist beyond the stars. This assures our request won’t be intercepted by discarnates and/or the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls.

Metamorphosis – FSB’s – Sun=Global Warming – Hurricanes prophecy

September 6, 2017

Metamorphosis – FSB’s – Sun=Global Warming – Hurricanes prophecy

There was a RadioLab (NPR show) that talked about what actually has been observed to happen inside a cocoon. (The Link to that RadioLab show is provided in the description of this YouTube video I made).

The gist of the show describes the science re: the way the caterpillar body completely disappears – turns into “goo” but apparently still carries certain programming it established while a caterpillar into it’s new butterfly body. This is so interesting compared to what Ti and Do taught about a human body being able to also go through a metamorphosis. They even talk about a “reverse metamorphosis” that DO once mentioned as what Adam experienced when he broke instructions and “fell” that enabled his Next Level grown (made) body to revert to mammal behaviors to reproduce like a mammal. DO said that reverse didn’t take very long to transpire. TI and DO also said Jesus completed his “changeover” (metamorphosis) in the event told as the “Transfiguration” when he and 3 of his students were visited by Two Beings who spoke to him about laying down his vehicles life at that time to complete the task he was sent to do. In other words, the task was to voluntarily die their human vehicle according to instructions from the Older Member provided directly and having completed that “overcoming” (christing, christening) process enabled the new body literally growing inside the old body to heal the old body that died. I believe Ti said that it’s a characteristic of a Next Level member to be able to heal their body in 3 1/2 days. I guess the new body grown from it’s “deposit” has that capacity, perhaps kin to the way certain creatures can regrow body parts they lose for whatever reason. The Next Level gives us all these examples that can serve as clues to broaden our understanding and thus gain “faith” that is actually defined as “evidence of things unseen” as DO had me read from scripture on one of the sessions I was a helper on in the “Beyond Human – The Last Call” video series.

Links:
-Metamorphosis science: http://www.radiolab.org/story/goo-and-you/
-FSB (Fast Radio Bursts recorded: https://www.yahoo.com/news/frbs-repeating-radio-signals-coming-180300017.html
-Solar X flares – Solar Wind heats air and water and gamma radiation to core of earth and stimulates earthquakes:

-Irma and Juan all part of Jesus forcast of “sea and waves roaring” during this 4th Seal Harvest (pulling up of Tares) time.
-Massive heat under yellowstone is not Magma (moulten rock) but is moulten carbon: https://youtu.be/6AJ5YKnzwHI
-Hurricane Prophecy Interpretation: Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;