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DO Audio Transcript – Inverness CA May 1994 – Part 4 of 8 – Controlling Our Thoughts, Eyes, Ears and Hands

July 13, 2019
(Transcribed by Nisha – Edited by Sawyer)
DO: What about that door?
Drr: I’m not sure – we can close it.
DO: you probably could hear someone approaching better if we didn’t?
Chk: …think… haven’t come up…
DO: okay
DO: Let’s talk for a few minutes about application of technique of change, becoming a new creature I hate to even use that term because it sounds like some spiritual process. Well I guess it is because it’s getting rid of the old spirit and bringing in the new Next Level stuff.

It’s interesting to me that, in the night I was – well I told you in last night’s meeting that the Next Level Mind probably had the shape of, you know arms and legs, the image that we think of… Oh was that the mic?

Student: Yeah.

DO: Oh, I’ll try to keep my hands off of it.

This sounds a little crazy and sounds a little far out and not information I’m saying is gospel but the thought that occurred to me that the Next Level Mind can take on whatever shape, can take over the shape of the vehicle that will service it for the task that is assigned.

Theoretically, probably then, outside of any vehicle, that Mind can very easily just be a blob if it wasn’t into a vehicle to function, according the mechanism of a vehicle, and of course the mechanism of the vehicle is, just as a computer has certain hardware, certain software just as the human animal we occupy now has a brain that has certain capacities, and the electrical system of it and that different vehicles have different systems that can handle the task, so the reason I guess that was given to me was because it helped me understand that what we had identified TI as – in the time that when these in the class associated with TI in a physical vehicle we felt we pictured TI as the vehicle that she was wearing, well ‘she’ not TI, was wearing, because the vehicle was ‘she’, TI certainly wasn’t ‘she’.

And yet the picture I had that when TI – when the allotment for the amount of TI that was to be given away or taken – in other words I take I take from TI – this is you know when you take nourishment from your Older Member you actually take the Mind. It goes in, it fills you it’s the Mind its stuff that comes through me and there is an allotment of that Mind for this task just as there’s an allotment as far as what was assigned to TI’s vehicle. Now I don’t necessarily know all that was in TI’s vehicle at any given time was all of that allotment or if TI could draw from certain amount of other allotment but when that allotment ran out then that’s all there was for that allotment of that task.

But that allotment that was given was not TI at all. It was that little portion of TI that was allotted for that task that we identified with.
So, if there was a little of TI left at the time that the vehicle collapsed then that little blob just went and added back to the blob that is TI. Do you follow what I’m saying?

And would probably had been enough of a blob to add to the vehicle that was TI to have in the memory of the task.

So that then TI used to always say that she — that there was part of TI in spacecraft or there was part of TI and Do in spacecraft. So it helped — well this is kind of corny but a bunch of Jesus’ disciples left him when he started saying you know: “Unless you drink My blood and eat My flesh you know you won’t enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” and it was unless you take that Mind unless you use it as nourishment unless it becomes a part of you unless it’s the building blocks for your own mind – your possession, it’s not really yours, it’s Next Level Mind but it’s yours for the time that you have it within your keeping. And like we spoke of last night and unless you abuse it then it’s taken away from you.

Even when it’s taken from you there still remains a memory in the hardware of what was there and like there’s some students now that were in the classroom for an extended period of time and are not in the classroom and yet they’re plagued by what is still in their memory bank. It disturbs them because they know that what they knew it was right and that they knew that it was true and they try to get rid of it because in order to be comfortable in the world they don’t like to be plagued with this being true because there’s conflict for a student to try and get comfortable back in the world. Some of you know what I’m talking about?(*class laughs*)

Okay let’s talk about the technique of expelling Mind that is not compatible Mind that we have to abort in order to receive more Mind.
By the way, I felt like I gave a lot away last night now I couldn’t have given it away had you not drank it. Had you not pulled it in and in other words… I was trying to give it away and you took it. And I could feel that a great deal of it was taken from me and that makes me very very happy, for you! Because the more that I give away the closer I’m getting to the completion of my task and the more you’re becoming products that can be viable or individuals that can be viable and not need to worry about losing your life as long as you’re hooked.

When you can stay hooked on the Next Level and that’s all you want and you’re hooked on your Older Members and you’re hooked on others who are doing this and there’s such a bond there, such a new grafting that’s taking place and you’re hooked then you’re in an excellent position to grow very quickly and to receive a lot and you– whoops, sorry (*mic problem*)

Okay I still haven’t got around what I wanted to talk about and I said that 60 minute tape would be adequate.

Okay some real practical application. I think what you want to get into the regular habit of doing is start sustaining a consciousness 24 hours a day of examining the quality of what is in your head and examining: Are the thoughts that I’m thinking compatible with my Older Members Mind? Are they thoughts of the Next Level or are they thoughts of the world?

In other words, am I – is it a mixture that’s oil and water and doesn’t mix. In other words examine what is in your Mind, examine what is in the impulses of the animal that you’re wearing. And this can be done, this primarily has to be done in your silence. You don’t have to sit and twiddle your thumbs or be in a meditative state it’s whatever you’re doing wherever you’re going – whether your doing Fibre-Lab or vital signs or working in Consuming Lab if you were to examine the quality of the thoughts that are passing through your head and make a habit of examining them and sorting them out as: “this is appropriate, this is inappropriate” and aborting those things that are not–now how do I abort?

You have to, you have to kind of format your language and the strength of impression behind your language just as you would have a delete key on your computer when you say “get out!” or “Good night I don’t want that” or “Stop it!” or “get out of here” now “Get out of here” is probably one of the most used phrases in our whole word processing now first of all we probably recognize it and say oh good might! I didn’t realize what I was entertaining — so when it becomes distasteful and you recognize that it’s not compatible with Next Level Mind or Older Members Mind then you immediately delete or say get out. Actually, run it out it is like a presence that can be run out. I won’t call it a living presence because I can’t really think that the Mind of this world has seekers status – this is living matter that you’re putting in now, that’s not living matter but nevertheless it is a blob of information that does respond to your command in the same way that spirits are run off when you exorcize spirits or whatever.
You actually have to give commands for that thought to leave you. If the thought doesn’t leave you then you have to command again. If you have to verbally aloud say get out of here, do it. Well try not to let the whole block hear what you’re saying (*class laughs*)  but if you have to verbalize it do it have no hesitation. Your partners will certainly know what’s going on. They will be very comfortable with you saying get out because you’re going to hear them doing the same thing and I’ll be worried about them if they aren’t doing the same thing.

So, filter, examine what is in you head. Habitually examine the vibrations of what is in your head. Now just clutter is just as much a detriment to you as very distasteful things. Just clutter –  stuff that is of no value. You know running old tapes of old jobs that your vehicle had back in the world or old tapes of other members of the litter of the animal you’re wearing or old tapes of anything of the world.

Old tapes of things you saw on television. Just clutter because when clutter is in there you’re listening to it, it’s noise. Even if you’re not paying much attention, it’s noise. If you have noise in here then you can’t listen. You’re not really in a condition of asking and listening. So, to start off with you have to get the screen blank and the only way you’re gonna get the screen blank is to abort, abort, abort until the screen is blank. Now it’s going to be hard for some of you to sustain blank without it being a hard blank. Now, what I mean by a hard blank is when you have a hard blank it’s hard for good stuff to come in.

When it’s a clear, when it’s just clear. I hate to use that term though because many of these EST and other methods you know Scientology you know (they) say just ‘get clear’. What is it that scientology uses? that um–

Student: E-metre?

DO: No.. They say–

Student: It’s the reactive?

DO: Yes, the reactive mind! If you can get rid of the reactive mind. And you know, there’s a lot of truth to that. Alot of truth because impulses of the vehicle, that’s reactive mind. Because just impulses of the vehicle that’s reactive mind you know if the vehicle sees something it goes across the screen and you just let it pass because you’ve never disciplined yourself to not let it pass so you have to keep examining that screen – is there clutter in there? is there garbage in there? is it distasteful or is it just unnecessary because I can’t really be in a position to ask for things and expect to get answers if I have clutter there.

Eyes are a major aspect of control with the brain. Control of the eyes. When the animal you are wearing was out in the world it was free to look at anything and humans do not discipline what they let it look at – some are more invasive by staring even to the point of embarrassing others because people are aware that they’re staring – others will glance out of the side of the eye and you can tell by the quality of the glance that the thought wasn’t too desirable of a thought but controlling of the eyes — The eyes believe it or not, will go to something that the vehicle is attracted to without giving you any signals. I mean there’s no signal there the eyes will go it and you’ll think what in the world are you going to that for? Because the animal is just responding that way.

Now if we’re gonna break this horse and we’re only going to make it respond when we give it signals then we have to catch it in the act of everything that it does so that the eyes aren’t darting to wherever they want to dart you have to make it and you will find that that animal you’re wearing that if you make the eyes go this way it’ll try to prove to you that it’ll only be obedient for a second and then it’ll get its eyes back over there so you have to force it and so this is a practice you can do even when there isn’t much attraction for the eye.

When it’s just a mild attraction for the eye to go here – I mean even if it’s admiring scenery or whatever it is that the eye wants to go to then don’t let the eye go there – learn not to let it go there. Learn to let the eye look at what you want it to. So when it darts back or wants to get that last glance, you know a good exercise is if someone’s walking down the street or a bicycle and the eye wants to go to it, just because of motion! The eye will even be attracted to what it is that’s going down the road and as soon as you recognize the eye wants to go there force it– and don’t even let the eye look through peripheral vision. If necessary look far enough away that there’s no peripheral vision. Don’t even let it get away with peripheral vision. This is the beginning of discipline of the eyes and what you permit to let go through your head you don’t get anywhere if you don’t engage this.

Tllody has had to work with a genetic computer that is a very rough discipline for him because genetically his computer, if he would let it, would just talk to it even when there’s nothing to say, will just run old tapes in his mouth and just want to move and then it will pace you know if it’s restless it’ll want to pace and talk and pace and it’ll look and you know that’s a rough vehicle to have to quiet down and calm down and calm down to a point where you’re not an explosive that is bottled up you know this isn’t calming down. (DO animates and class laughs)

It’s aborting this restlessness so that when you’re still there’s not an explosion to happen it’s aborting the restlessness to get out so that you can be calm. You don’t have to let the machinery just you know run like a what is it a Screen saver?

You know some of you have a Screen saver just going all the time or if it’s, what’s his name, Joe?

Student: Johnny Castaway?

DO: Johnny Castaway! he’s in motion all the time and that’s where your brain will be if you let it be that way so we have to exercise and even make a game of it you can enjoy the practice of controlling the eyes.

You can control the ears, now the ears aren’t nearly as difficult a problem as the eyes now it depends on the addictions of the vehicle if the vehicle was attracted to certain rhythms or sounds of music or sounds of human voices or whatever it is then you have to deal with that too so your not letting the ears hear only what the ears want to hear or what your demanding the ears to hear instead of what the ears want to hear. So the ears are much milder discipline.

The hands are a rougher discipline than the ears the hands want to do things that you don’t want it to do. The vehicles hands like to do things that you don’t want it to do. Whether to reach out and caress someone or reach out or caress the vehicle that you’re wearing and I’ll use some crude terminology here that I think does me a favor and can do you a favor that one of the major things that we deal with is getting the vehicle under control as far as sensuality is concerned and sensuality to me is almost too dignified of a term for the animal behavior and I almost feel like the only thing it can works is to think of it as the vehicle wanting to play with its ‘pee-pee’ now, laugh with me on this, don’t get heavy duty on me (*class laughs*) I’m serious if you get heavy duty then the vehicle is like oh my goodness how can Do say such a thing? (*class laughs*).

But to me the plumbing is a pee pee, you know, it’s plumbing to get rid of fluid if you’ve had too much water or juices and it’s just a plumbing for fluid and if you can think of it as the animal that you’re wearing is such a baby that all it wants to do is still play with its pee pee when it gets into sensuality. It puts it in a different department and you feel like slapping the darn thing because it’s just at that level. You don’t want to elevate it by giving into “sensory things” or “sexuality” or “romance” (said with drama) or whatever all these glorified terms for playing with its reproductive organs.

When the Lord gave the command to go and multiply, He was talking to the horses not the riders. They were talking to the horses, not the riders. Riders come in when it’s time to take over the horses and it’s totally inappropriate – when there’s a rider reproduction is out of the question.

I mean, any of the activity that went with reproduction is out of the question once a rider has been assigned to a horse. A rider has no instruction in that department. Now it is insulting to the rider to think in the thoughts of reproductivity or satisfying the senses by activity that was pornographic to the Next Level to begin with. One of the worst things that Luciferians even brought into this world was changing reproductive activity into hedonistic activity just to satisfy the senses. Now even churches are putting out books upon the value of masturbation and things of that nature.

Now I don’t know if you’re aware of it but a Lutheran church recently put out a manual on the – I don’t know, there’s several Lutheran churches you know the Missouri center and this and that. But when I read of that I was appalled! that they could think of that as something of value, now as of value against what?

Now, I don’t know what the alternative would be. But for us that kind of, now don’t get heavy duty on me, don’t get serious on me. Keep this as what it is – as childish as trite as beneath you activity. If you get serious then you can easily be victimized by thoughts of this nature. It is animal behavior. When you see an animal do you get heavy like: “Oh my goodness an animal” like a Cocker spaniel coming up and licking you you’re not like “uh.. what a terrible vibration animal” it’s silly!, it’s just a little puppy. And if you would treat this animal that you’re wearing that it’s impulses are just silly and ridiculous and beneath you and when it tries to respond that way then you just go right to its information center and say: “Stop it, I’m not going to permit that behavior, I’m in here! I’m the rider here and you do only what I direct you to do and that kind of behavior is totally inappropriate.”

It will challenge you and challenge you and challenge you until it knows that you meant what you were saying. And you have not gotten anywhere in that particular department until it knows that you mean business.

When you participate in the kind of drunkenness and I mean literal drunkenness – the act of reproduction – the act of a sensuous act lowers your vibration right down to animal level. Any decent Mind that was in your package had to abort to even permit you to do that and the recovery time from that act after you have permitted yourself to participate in that animal act is a difficult recovery time. So the faster that you get a hold of this and learn to do whatever it takes to get a hold of it. Let’s say you get attacked in the middle of the night, don’t get heavy duty about it. But, if it’s trying to attack you and you’re tempted to get heavy duty about it, go wake up your partner. Say “Partner, sit up here and talk to me or let’s read together or let’s write Links a note together, let’s do something. Help me out here I’m just about to lose control – I don’t know what’s going on with this stupid animal I’ve got here that wants to keep my thoughts preoccupied in this nature”.

And because this act is just as difficult of any addiction to heroin or morphine or any drug that you can think of to break if your vehicle was accustomed to participate in this to any significant degree.

This is what causes addiction because the vehicle likes the buzz even though it was never intended to be designed for that. As far as I can tell, I hope I don’t have to repeat this kind of discussion because to me it lowers my vibration to talk about these things with you and I’m sure it’s lowering yours because of the thoughts that flash through your minds when I have to talk about these things but I want you to learn that if you can stay light, if you can consider it ridiculous and keep it beneath you, that you can consider it a puppy activity. I mean, why would you want to do what the puppy wants to do? I mean are we that low that we have to let the puppy tell us what it wants to do? And that we then have to struggle to return to the vehicle that the puppy has just knocked it’s thermometer down to there is no mercury in the tube just because we let the puppy do.

You know when you begin to see when you get payoff for discipline when you can control what’s in your head, control what your eyes are doing and you can ask for what you need because you can always ask the Next Level for what you need and what you get won’t always be pleasant but it’s what you need. And frequently what you need is another test in this department or the other, in order for you to show that you are developing.

What they want is developed muscle against animal behavior – muscle that proves that the only thing I want in my container is the Mind of the Next Level that comes through Members of the Next Level because I want to be a Member of the Next Level.

Now a Member of the Next Level is someone who can sustain being a Member of the Next Level. By staying dependant upon its graft and sustaining the behavior that finds — (*tape cuts off*)

Student: We were about 30 (minutes)

DO: 30?, okay. Now one thing you have to work so hard at is old habits. In the human world a bad habit is having one face when they’re with their loved ones or when they’re with their teachers or when they’re with their church they put one face and when they’re off by themselves they put on another face. When they’re with someone they want to gossip with then there’s a 3rd face. This little pettiness that goes on. Then in their closets or in their bathroom they like to play with their silly vehicle. You’ve got to be one face – you’ve got to be just as close to your Older Member and it sounds crude, but when you’re sitting on the pot or when you’re bathing your body in the shower, just as close to your Older Member that your Older Member will be just as pleased with the way your treating that task you’re doing right then. Just as pleased with where your head is and where your vibration is and keeping it there.

Get in the habit of getting into the habit of examining the quality of your thoughts. Not in the peak days you know those times of the days when it’s easy to think about the higher stuff. We all have times in the day when it’s easier to think about the higher stuff.

One thing to do, think about the higher stuff when the vehicle wants to think about the lower stuff. Now It has become a habit in most human vehicles to think about the lower stuff the darker it gets, in the middle of the night. For some reason that’s some kind of habit that it likes to do or if it’s off by itself.

One of the remedies we try to do is not to get separate. You want to get uncomfortable separate there’s nothing wrong with using your partnership and using your other crew members as reinforcement for your sustaining Next Level vibration use their presence there. When you’re dealing with something, tell your partner. Your partner should be telling you and you should be telling your partner that when you see me doing something that’s not Next Level ways I wanna know about it, I really want to know. And then when they tell you, you get defensive like (*growling*).

And they say, well I thought you said you wanna know about it? It doesn’t sound like you want to know about it. So at that time hop back in there and say you’re right. I apologize for being defensive. That was the animal talking. I’m glad that you told me because you wouldn’t have told me had there not been some truth to what you were observing. And I’m put to the test. I don’t want that which you are bringing up to me.

Depend upon your partners and depend upon your classmates it is your duty to comply with their requests and wishes when your partner asks for help and tell them, don’t say “well I’ll tell them maybe tomorrow or the next day when they’re in a little better frame of mind”. You’ve lost two days.

When there is a better frame of mind, there’s no progress that gets made.  When I’m in a good frame of mind there’s no work when accepting help. When I’m being helped and it’s hard for me to accept help and I change in order to be accepting of that help I return immediately and apologize for my poor response and thank them for it, then I’m making progress. Change is occurring. I am forcing the vehicle to break its habit of defensive responses. And it’s reluctance to accept criticism. You’re not going to get anywhere if you don’t at a very accelerated pace get into a mode where you like criticism. Where you welcome criticism and you get beyond responding defensively. Don’t you want to know if there’s anything about you that differs from the next level or your older members? Say yes when you’re siting in church but what about the rest of the time?

We can’t have periods of the day when we’re the good guys and other periods when we’re the bad guys. This technique is really really really valuable to you if you do not exercise it the very areas that are your problem areas, will not change. As long as those problem areas remain they will be areas that put separation between you and other members of the Next Level, you and your classmates to a certain degree and certainly your Older Members.

When you have this animal under control so much so that it doesn’t reek of any animal characteristics and you can sustain that around the clock and you have restraint and willingness and pleasant countenance then you are ready and willing to do what they will have you do.

I’ll tell you, I know how much I would enjoy having you in my presence because I can feel that but even if you are that during a period of the day and you let your vibration go way down during other periods of the day you still bring some of that lower quality with you even during the peaks of that day. In other words you have to establish a track record you’ve got to get past any regularity of letting destructive or negative thoughts occupy your head or let your hands go where they shouldn’t or let your eyes go where they shouldn’t or entertaining thoughts that are inappropriate.

The hardest thing— Now some of you are writing CSR’s as far as I’m aware I haven’t had any negative thoughts and I said then you’re blind. Frequently I read those reports and know that you’re blind. You’re not lying to me but you’re not even aware of negative thought that you have that is still negative its not as negative as it used to be so your new measure of it is another way of entertaining negative thoughts. I entertain negative thoughts. I fight negative thoughts. Everyday, all the time I fight negative thoughts but don’t forget my microscope is ten times more powerful than yours and I get it down as low as I can get it with the most magnification and that’s what you’re trying to do you’re trying to increase the magnification of characteristic that are still trying to be present with you that differ from the Next Level.

So, spend time, several times a day reviewing techniques, filtering out, learning to sort out what am I permissive of in my head? Clutter? Old tapes to run? Imagery? Things that are animal or of this world not of the Next world? Am I comfortable remaining calm? Can I be comfortable can I be pleasant and can I be alert and keen or am I alert and keen when I’m so hyper that all kinds of static is coming through my head you don’t want to be so subdued in your calm that a bit of tiredness can come in or a bit of laziness or slovenness You can stay keen and alert and present without being too much one way or too much the other.

That’s the extent of the meeting…

Which many of you will at times when you’re fighting battles of doubt and battles of is this just another bunch of poppy cock or another religious approach or I’m sure Do was well meaning and TI was well meaning well no matter what form your doubts can come to you because doubts used to attack TI and me probably more than the students because we didn’t want to have anybody on the trip, we didn’t want to mislead anyone or be the instruments of misleading someone so we were constantly doubting ourselves and then even when we would listen to that doubt if being right down to nothing that nothingness still said we can’t do anything other than this. This is all there is to us. That if this is not reality then as far as we can tell this is as close to reality as we can get that this is – now I’m talking doubt, talking doubt this is not the way my mind, the word processor works at lowest moments its like there is nothing else at those lowest moments this is like you can scream to the Next Level.

Now I’m afraid TI and I still scream to the Next Level, we didn’t scream to call some other creature in to try to lead us astray of course the Next Level very safely took us through this because they had us examine every concept you could get sidetracked on, any concept you could get hooked on along the way. Whether it was every religious idea, every eastern religion every new age thing you could possibly examine we went into we went into in earnest, and practiced everything we could think of to practice and at a very accelerated pace learned this isn’t it, this isn’t what I’m after it’s a dead end it doesn’t lead anywhere. Wherever this finds us this is where we must put our whole effort and when you get to that point then influences don’t like it when you’re at that point because they know they can’t have you but the worst thing they could do to you is maybe have you weakened for a period, have you down to a place where all you’re saying is well ‘I don’t care’ I don’t care what exists this is like if I have a chance this is my best chance if there is a chance for me to be of some service to whatever there is I mean otherwise I’ll have to believe there is not. I have to believe that a totally agnostic view.

A completely — you know this vehicle used to spend a lot of time with Unitarians and associated a lot and worked in Unitarian churches and I could not believe that those individuals were willing to accept that all there is is what I pass onto my offspring that the only extension of me is what goes on in that offspring and if that is all there is and that when this life is over I can say it was well spent, I did the best I could do I was a good humanitarian, bye bye. I couldn’t buy that. Not in my wildest dream could I buy that to me all I have to do is to the observation window in surgery and see what’s going on even as a doctor works on a human vehicle and sees the absolute magic of even this crude animal we’re wearing to see the kind of invention it is I can’t in my wildest dreams believe that just happened, not by design not by some department in some level greater and higher than human – now I know better, I know better. I can’t deny things I know even in my weakest moments I can’t deny them.

So I hope this has been helpful to you in what you have to deal with. Now sometimes all these things just seem like fanciful ideas and maybe what you deal with the most are just the pangs of vehicular separation from the other parts of it’s plants of the vehicle or the pangs of old indulgences that used to give certain satisfaction or the pangs of just not the fun of running wild and what it was to just run wild instead of being part of a unit that function as a unit, that’s a big adjustment to function as a unit particularly when you’ve worked so hard some of you in the world to learn to not let others impose upon you and you finally become independent and then become of something that doesn’t want independence even though Next Level won’t let us get rid of a certain degree of volition or choice of will and therefore we, even though we’d like to be totally dependant Next Level says, that means you wouldn’t do any work on your own – You don’t do any overcoming on your own. Okay. Yes go ahead.

Rkkody: is this a good time to ask a question?

DO: Yes.

Rkkody: Lggody was talking about a hologram, analogy of this planet and possibly this universe as being a kind of a hologram like one of those Star Trek movies where they and a whole civilization I think it was a planetoid that had a whole community that was a projection from this machine and in trying to get that straight in my head.

DO: well ah… (tape ends).

DO Audio Transcript – Inverness 5-24-1994 part 5 of 5 – Earth as a type of Holodeck

July 3, 2019
DO Audio Transcript – Inverness 5-24-1994 part 5 of 5 – Earth as a type of Holodeck

Summary: talks about the earth as a “hologram” like in the Star Trek holodeck – hard matter or not. How easily the Next Level can recycle and choose what parts to recycle. Luciferians are part of the “hologram” and with recycling evaporating them and having a new crop of them to serve as the negative in the new garden. Mentioned the idea of a rectangular earth in the midst of the waters.

(Transcribed by Nisha – Edited by Sawyer)

Do: If something serves a purpose and works as a design as to whether or not it can be wiped out pushing a button within a lab in the Next Level and all that was really something that —

Lets take a hologram situation like in ‘Star Trek’ – you go up to the holodeck and you can experience things and while you’re on the holodeck it’s real! And those are real experiences and real lessons and you’re actually in the time of the hologram and therefore everything in it matches with the lesson of that time and that period. Of what value is it to think it has to be of hard matter that could not be wiped out? You see what I’m saying?

Because I believe that the Next Level is completely capable of pushing a button and wiping it out now I think that they have on their keyboard though, they have one red button over here that could wipe out a whole galaxy if They wanted to but they also have lesser buttons that can wipe out all the plants on planet earth if they wanted to – if they wanted to just quickly recycle planet earth so it was sent then the nutrients to be a garden again but I believe that they can actually — they evaporate – its just can be designed to not be there anymore and it’s restored to a ball of water that had a rectangular body matter of earth and then it separated and separated its purpose and it served a function of a fertile garden. This fertile garden, I can’t believe otherwise it’s due a recycling I mean it is spent. It has been so destroyed. It’s environment, the mind of it on the planet, everything about it needs recycling.

And so why not? What’s the big deal? The Next Level — anything that is of value on the planet, I think they also have a button to pull off anything of value that they wanna keep just like you do on you’re computer. You can tab certain things that you can extract from there then delete anything else. And anything that is of any value that they wanna save I think they can easily extract and then everything else evaporates and then they start a fresh. A new crop of Luciferians come in because the old one has no use anymore. They’ve gotten too perverted.

Arrody: Does that mean in any way that the Luciferians themselves could be part of the program or part of the hologram?

Do: Oh, absolutely.

Student: That they’re kinda like —

Do: Nothing gets out of the hologram. Except that, which gets into the Next Level. As far as I’m concerned nothing gets out except what’s going to the Next Level.

Student: So Lucifer is really just a bug in the hologram that you want to keep fighting against.

Do: Oh, absolutely. When you seperate from the Next Level, when you separate from the Next Level, either the Next Level separates you then they have a choice whether they have purpose in keeping you. In other words letting you serve a certain purpose even as a negative. But when you separate then there is no life in you, there’s no truth in you there is no part of Them but you are seperate but can serve a purpose for them in certain developments of gardens. Tllody.

Tllody: I wonder how long it took him to figure out when he got kicked out how much he didn’t know, how much he – much he didn’t take into consideration. He tried put vehicles together and wouldn’t work to have eternal life.

Do: Say your question again?

Tllody: Well I wonder how long after he got booted out — you know, he thought he knew alot of things. How long did it take him to figure out these are the things he didn’t know and how long it took those things to catch up with him.

Do: Well, I’m not sure. He would have to have some more good Mind in him to know the limits of what he didn’t have – to know that he was restricted. So he probably still works at thinking that he might be able to accomplish what he has in mind accomplishing. Had he known the truth and not had ignorance that had him seperate, he would never have seperated in the beginning. So he had to seperate in the degree of ignorance of thinking you know; ‘I’m tired of this monarchy I’m going to form my own monarchy’. But I don’t believe that happened as much as the Next Level says ‘I’ve had it with you, and you’re out of here’.

Then in order to exist you have to exist defensively. I mean you have to defend your position to then have to create the world with what you’re capable of drawing upon. And of course what he was capable of drawing on was extremely limited by Next Level standards. He has to make concoctions and use things that were never designed to be used in the way he uses them. Therefore the end product is always a mess. Okay.
Trsody?

Trsody: I just, it was an observation that probably exposed my eyes rather than have them controlled but I noticed a bumper sticker the other day that said ‘Restore Wanda Wanda land’ which I thought was pretty appropriate because that’s, I think the term that they used for the little rectangular earth.

Do: Okay, wow that’s interesting. See you in a little.

TI and DO transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal

May 6, 2019
TIDO audio transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal – 05-09-85
(Transcribed by NX VX and edited by Sawyer)
(Sawyer note: This meeting was about 4 weeks before DO held a meeting without TI and told us TI was diagnosed with cancer in her vehicles liver.  Also this was months after TI instigated a meeting and explained to us that DO was uncomfortable asking us for our commitment to him even though He knew His task was to be in that position of having students give their total commitment to him. In that meeting TI instructed us to make our commitment to DO).
We feel like the subject we talked about on the last tape, that we don’t want to talk about anymore now. We want to spend some time trying to re-establish, and establish better the feeling that we hoped that you were having at the time of learning what a committal was. Now when we talk to you at a meeting like this, sometimes we talk to, we have to always talk to the ones who are having the most difficulty with task of whatever we are talking about. Do you follow that? So when we talk to them it doesn’t, don’t assume that we’re talking to everybody. In other words we don’t want to feel like we have to say this applies to a few of you and not to some of you, you know but we do, you should understand that we are always talking to the things that we’re aware of that some are dealing with. Even though it might be one, we will still talk to all of you, many times we feel that we are instructed to do that, to talk to all of you about the things that maybe even one person is dealing with.
Now on the committal, I remember TI saying that if I were you I would re-establish that feeling of that committal daily. And yet I can’t believe, or we can’t believe that some of you are doing it. That you probably thought it was a good idea when you heard it and it sounded really good in theory, and a real super thing to do, but you didn’t make a plan. You didn’t go through the trouble to actually do it yourself. Whether it meant write it down in length and be sure that you felt it, and whether it meant doing it once a day, or three times a day, or ten times a day but from some of the notes that we’ve gotten we can tell that some of you feel like now that because the way you express yourself even. You say that now that the ray is not here, I have slipped in this area or that, and dern it, I can’t believe that have and, you got to get beyond that. You got to get where you can’t back into that, you can’t fall back into that. If you, well, let me use a personal example for a moment, of our awakening.You can’t imagine what took place in the battle between our minds and our vehicles, when just out of the blue in the matter of a few days, from the time that we were deciding that. Well it was about a month or two after we met for the first time, after these vehicles had met for the first time. Within a month or two, we knew we had to do something together that was going to be our primary effort. Like all day, and within a few weeks after that, we took the instruction that said we had to be under one roof and like the bobsy twins, twenty-four hours a day doing only this task, and yet we didn’t even know what we were doing.

Now, the reason I’m bringing it up is because you can imagine the rebellion that our vehicles had, for such a thing and how.  If we had let our vehicles, even though there was a period of time when we didn’t have enough control of our vehicles to keep from causing the other one a lot of difficulty, but very very quickly we had to get enough control of that, so that we were on our task all day, all night and not having to deal with the ups and downs of being a disturbance to the other one or sending the other one in a tail-spin, because our vehicle was losing control. In other words we were forced because we were, we couldn’t stand what it caused the other one, much less the discomfort of our-self. We were forced to maintain Next Level mind-type control all the time.
Now, the reason we bring that up is because it’s very easy for you – even though sometimes you don’t do it when we’re with you, but it’s easier for you when we’re with you at a meeting for an hour and a half, two hours every so many days. It’s easy to have your best mind on, during that time. It’s like, because it’s kind of a period of time. It’s kind of, even makes you feel good to have that best time on.
It’s like the feeling that humans get when they go to church. They go to church and it feels real good, and oh boy do they believe in the things that the preacher preached, and they really want to do them, and they say they want to do them, and they say they are going to do them, but they do at varying degrees, very little of what is happening and of course he doesn’t require much of it.
The human preacher or priest that they go to, now it’s almost that you don’t recognize, in your conscious mind, that it has to be sustained. When you make a committal, to an Older Member, that Older Member should not be able to call you at any moment – during any period of time when you would not be in the same committal frame of mind that you are when you have a prior notice of the Older Member’s coming to visit with you, and then you prepare and get rid of all the things that are, put on a good face and oh I’m ready for church again, here comes the Older Member! You’ve got to know that the vehicle will continue to do that, if you let it get away with it. In other words you’re still ignorant to some of the characteristics. You’re not wise to some of the con-games of the vehicle that still will do things.
In other words TI and I don’t run off to the closet, occasionally, to get rid of the hostilities that the vehicles would feel because of the requirements of the tasks. Do you follow that? If there were moments, long long time ago, when we felt like we had to run off and get to the closet in order to get rid of those things, we quickly had to get past that period or we were still very very two-faced! Our schizophrenia was showing, and the bad side of the schizophrenia was almost stronger than the good side. Now even though you feel maybe that you’ve come a long way in your change and in the degree of your control of your vehicle, and now you’ve even recognized that the Next Level Mind likes some of the vibrations of this human kingdom. You still, we feel like we’re on the piano-roll at a point where this can’t be tolerated. It’s like a unconscious way of saying to Links, It’s like saying to us “don’t you know that I love the Next Level? I really, I love the Next Level with all my heart and I don’t want anything else. The world out there doesn’t appeal to me at all, but these little things that my vehicle still keeps getting away with – goodness – I can’t do anything about it. It’s just, but I’m getting better, I’m getting better at it and I want to get better at it!” And you believe it, but at that rate of development we either have to think in terms that we find it impossible to think. We either have to think poor so and so can’t do it, and so we have to just be permissive of very very slow rate of growth.
Now we don’t believe, when we are really honest with ourselves, we don’t believe the Next Level sent one to do this task who couldn’t do it, and the task requires control sufficient of the vehicle to not give into the vehicle and a human way. Now you know there was a time, out of our love for you believe it or not, we didn’t even want to let somebody leave their task because we loved them more than – even when they seemingly hated us, we loved them so much that we didn’t want to see them throw their task away. Now it’s switched to where your committal has to prove itself enough that you must be prepared for the fact that we may get instruction to say so and so and so and so, we’ll try to help you go somewhere and wait until we, leave together, because we’re just not moving fast enough, and you’re dragging your feet.
TI:  (Inaudible)
DO:  Yes.
TI:  You’ve got to realize that you have a task, and your task is more important, at this time than ever. Even though it has always been important, but we’ve got to get-this going. Now if you’re not capable of doing your task, then like DO said we may be given instructions to take the task away from you, and give it to somebody else.
DO:  Which is no different than taking…
TI:  Lab
DO:   a task away from people that realize they are not ready for it.
TI:  Now we’re not, we don’t have instructions to do that right now. We have instructions right now for you all to get this committal going again, because the ray has never left you.
DO:  And we –
TI:  We told you it had, but it didn’t leave you. It was still around you, we told you it was.
DO:  We told you that you could revitalize it.
TI:  Right, and yet for you to believe that it was gone because of the way we said it, meant that you were not sincere when you wrote your committal.
DO:  Right your committal was –
TI:  In other words it was just a lie. You only wrote it because you were caught up in…
DO:  The excitement.
TI:  the excitement of it all, and we say if you don’t love us, don’t tell us about it!
DO:  And don’t tell us about it, because you love us at the moment, –
TI:  Right-
DO:  but you can’t hang onto it.
TI:  If I tell you that I care about you more than anything, I mean it! And you can do, as long as you do not stand up and curse the Next Level, I will take anything from you! And I will try to help you in every way that I can because that is doing my task. Now if you love us then do your task! And do it a hundred percent. Make up your mind to do it, right now, and prove to us that what you wrote on that paper to us, you meant it! It’s as simple as that, show us! Don’t talk about it, show us!
DO:  We are getting instruction to tell you that we might get instruction that might include taking some off the task. If they just can’t muster up the energy or the effort it takes to demonstrate more control, because it is the control that does the work, both for your vehicle and for the task of the world. It is the exercise, constant control that does it, and you are capable of it, and we are not building you up or flattering you. We know that you are capable of doing it.
Now your vehicle can say is this a threat? If you want to listen to the vehicle, then it might call it that. We’re not threatening you, we’re just saying we have instruction to give to you that we have received that says you must be consistent with what you have said you believe and feel toward the Next Level, and toward two members of the Next Level that are with you working with you, and if you can hang onto it, you know it’s so funny when TI said (DO laughing). If you do love us, then you’re going to do your task, and it just echoed what the little New Testament says you know. When you read it because that’s all it’s about is if you love it, it has to be there. You can’t say I do, you’ve got to perform it. It has to be consistent.
TI:  Now when you’re to be consistent it means to do it under all obstacles. Now quite a few of you have come down with colds, and how did you handle that cold? Did you handle it as a member of the Next Level or did you handle it as a human? And question yourself because if you felt like you had to do this, that was not instruction to do it, then you handled it the way a human would do it. If you made up your own little rules, fell asleep in the chair or took extra rest because you felt like the vehicle needed it, because it had a cold or whatever other thing that your vehicle could of designed for. Then you are listening to the vehicle, and you were tested, and you flunked! And you should be aware of that your vehicle can do that, and therefore you want to build up enough ammunition in that direction so that when it comes on again, you’ll be able to handle it as a member of the Next Level. I have, this vehicle has had sniffles, and sinus trouble as long as I have been on this task. You all know, that I have been stopped up so, that I could hardly breath.
DO:  It’s seldom any other way.
TI:  But it didn’t stop me from doing my task. I learned to live with it, I did not think I was going to die, I did not think I needed any extra attention.
DO:  Or medication.
TI:  All I did need, was some Kleenex, (Laughter) which was either that or some kind of tissue that would catch the sniffles, but the point I’m getting at is if it’s an obstacle that comes your way then face it! Doctor it, take care of the vehicle, but don’t give into it and make it seem like it’s a big production. Now if you do feel weak then, like I do know if there have been times when this vehicle has felt weak and I have sat down or I have rested for a few minutes and felt better afterward, which is perfectly okay too, and when you do it you write a note saying: My vehicle, because of the cold, I’ve tried to do this and nothing seemed to make me feel any better so I rested for a few minutes and I felt better afterward. But you don’t need to go down for thirty or forty, or forty or sixty minutes. Not that any of you have done that I’m not saying you have. I’m trying to make you understand how the vehicle can con you to believe that you need all this extra stuff because you have a cold.
(DO agrees)
TI:  Now you don’t want to abuse your vehicle. First, if our technique had been good, only one person would’ve come down with a cold. So what you want to do is be aware that a cold can come, we can come down with a cold anytime, and treat all of our lab tools as though everyone is contaminated and if you do that we won’t spread that sickness. Now the ones of you who need extra work, no. The ones of you who are really trying to do good, which is all 35 of you, you will be faced with tests. Some of you will have tests from Links, some of you will have tests from each other, or some of you will have tests at your out-of-craft tasks and how you handle those tests is what’s important.
DO:  You know, a human parent, when –
TI:  Let me finish what I was saying.
DO:  Oh I’m sorry, I thought you were.
TI:  In other words what you want to do is to be on guard at all times, and if somebody comes, right before you’re going down and gives you something, say from Links, we want it to be like a neon light going on in, or a red light going off in your brain. Saying uh oh here’s a test, how am I going to handle it? But if you have a poor response, you go down, you get up the next day and you thought about it and then you try to correct it, you really didn’t pass the test. Now this is what you want to stop. If your vehicle wants to go over the norm on things, and you go over the norm and then write a note to Links about it. You have flunked the test! You have not done your task, because your task is to stay, to keep that vehicle under control and it is the vehicle that is acting up. It isn’t your Next Level mind, can you understand that? Now these are the ways that you’re not doing your task, if you cannot do it. There are some of you in the class who can do it, and we want the ones who really want to do it to take these tasks and do it, so we can get out of here.
The Next Level, I’m sure, gets very tired of hearing me say please can’t we get out of here? Can’t we bring this task to a close? And in my ignorance I’ve asked that, and the Next Level is thinking, (TI laughing), well sure you can go anytime, as soon as your task is completed. We’re waiting on you, so to speak. So if you want to get out of here, if you’re tired of doing this task in the right way then do something about it. Get busy, do the task, make up your mind you’re going to do it, and stop fudging! Stop playing around, this is no game!
You’re in the big time right now, bigger than anything, and it is a game that has to happen! I mean a task that has to happen and you shouldn’t want to give it up. Not after all this time. Don’t make us take it away from you. We don’t want to take it away from you, but you cannot sit in here and expect it to happen with no effort from you! It’s as simple as that. Get some fight in you! Be determined and say I’m going to show the Next Level I can do it! I’m going to stop doing crazy things that this vehicle wants to do! And do it, even the best can improve. I mean from little bitty things on up to the mountainous things.
DO:  Sometimes the, we know that when you’re listening to us, that you want to have that fight, and we know that when you have enough Next Level Mind in, we know that you can see the little things that you’re dealing with as just filth. I mean just really stupid, like insignificant. In fact you can’t, you wonder why it can be so important to you to do it that you, that how can you get so far from your Next Level consciousness to give into those little things, and to yield to those things when they certainly aren’t worth what the consequence is of continuing to yield to them.
You know when a human parent performs the task of teaching, and when they really have tried to teach the very best of their ability to their off-springs, and they carry that teaching until they feel like they have given them what they had to teach them, but after they have given them that there comes a limit of how much they will permit those off-springs to stay in their house and not abide by the rules, and it’s not that they don’t love those off-spring, and it’s not that they wouldn’t suffer horribly to have to say “I’m sorry but you’re of age now and if you are going to live in my house you have to live by the rules.” And that’s the way it is in the Next Level. That’s the way it is, right here, in the Next Level.
You’re of the Next Level. We’re of the Next Level. We’re Older Members to you, you are like off-spring, in a sense to us because you are Younger Members and we are like parents to you in a sense, in a parallel, and we feel like we have taught you these things and they aren’t that impossible to do, that we have tolerated your slowness to do them to beyond needing to continue to tolerate it. Now for your sake needing to continue it, it’s not for our sake. It’s not like, we can’t stand those things, its true we can’t stand them but it’s not- the point is that the household as a unit has growth to do, has movement to do, has to get on with greater development to still be piddling with some of the things that we’re piddling with, in our school that are holding us back.
Now if you use this meeting as an excuse for copping out on your task, you are really going to experience embarrassment and shame when you get back to the Next Level. If you use the information we have given you tonight as an excuse to cop-out. Now what I mean by that is if you say well I can see that they are talking about me, and I know that I’ll make that committal but I know that, you know I’ll probably still continue to do these things and therefore if the house doesn’t have room for me then I guess I’ll, before I get asked to leave I’ll leave because I don’t want to get asked to leave.
In case the Next Level should give such instruction. If you can listen to kind of thoughts like that, there’s an indication right there of why you’re still dealing with those things, and it’s not too late to stop listening to thoughts like that! Some of you still let oceans of negative possibilities come into your head before you decide oh my goodness that must be a negative. I’ll stop listening to that, when it could have been a little cut on your finger instead of a hole in your side that you have to mend because you have permitted so much negativity to come into your head. Not even recognizing it was negative until you were going around with your chin dragging on the ground because it depressed you so after having listened to all those negative thoughts!
Your sensitivity has to improve. Now when your sensitivity improves, it’s just like, let’s take consuming for example. If I’m consuming more than my vehicle really needs, then as it enters my mouth, something, the computer’s going off and saying goodness this doesn’t even taste good anymore. I’m not going to accept it, on just the shoveling-in thing. I have recognized that this single bite is probably a bite past, or maybe two bites past what the vehicle needed and dern it, it took me two bites to recognize that the vehicle didn’t need it. Now that, and so you stop at that point, now that can apply to everything. That can apply to when your vibrations are beginning to lower. In any other area, when you feel that anxiety coming on or you feel the vehicles tendency to want to lash-out at someone or to give-in to a weakness, you can, if your sensitivity is there, you will feel it before it gets anywhere close to coming in enough to get into! And in other words you shouldn’t wake up after the fact, like a drunk does, and say I was so drunk I didn’t know what I was doing, because to us in a sense, you have to be drunk to have permitted yourself to go through the act and then regret it. In other words you had to be unconscious, you had to permit a degree of unconsciousness because you still want to cling to these little ole’ sensory things. Almost as if you’re, “well I’m not, it’s like I’m not going to be down here very long and I can’t, these things aren’t going to be available to me when I get back in the Next Level so I, maybe just one more little taste of that degree of sensing those things.” No matter what the area is.
Now that’s not what goes through your head. We’re not saying that’s what goes through your head, but it’s as if that’s what you’re feeling because we’re holding the Next Level, we’re holding your Next Level Mind responsible for what your vehicle desires. We’re holding it thoroughly responsible for what your vehicle desires. We’re asking you to keep enough Next Level consciousness, and to recognize the symptoms of weakness before you stumble, and we don’t feel that that’s asking too much of you too soon.
We, believe it or not, when we have proven solid, in this, class may be over! If the class isn’t over, then there might be something that we really can enjoy doing as the next move before class is over. It doesn’t really matter, but we’re at a standstill, still clinging to these little annoying weaknesses that pull us down. Each time, don’t forget, each time one of you let’s those things occur because of the lack of your sensitivity, and you give into it and actually let it happen, no matter what it is – it cannot happen without affecting the others in your craft, and without directly affecting your teachers, and therefore – it’s not that we’re saying we don’t like it, even though we don’t. We’re saying that since it does affect us, and affect you, and affect your classmates. For the period of it affecting them we are all pulled back momentarily, are held from moving forward because we have to then put a Band-Aid on it and recover from it, and then move ahead.
So, I really feel and I know that TI does too, that if you would, in your bunks, spend more time or in your thoughts when you are at your out-of-craft task, or when you are riding in a vehicle, or when you’re sitting here, if you have a magazine in your hand your thoughts should still be, you should learn to always be having this kind of thought going on in your head: “I am not going to find myself in dark corners. I am not going to let myself get to spots where I am vulnerable.” I want to be able to have my spine strong and tall, knowing and proving my committal to Older Members that I can sustain what I said I felt for them, because I know that if I said it and yet my actions, in between the times I say it, don’t prove it because I do things against their teaching, then I am not truthful. I am just wishful, instead of actually being truthful.
TI:  An incident happened, well about a week ago, with one of the classmates and the individual felt like, which the individual flunked a test in the process of talking to me, and it literally made that individual sick, and we knew it made them sick, and it took that individual a while to recover because they felt like they had let Links down. Now to me that individual meant her committal.
DO:  Now do you know what TI is saying?
TI is saying that the moment the individual recognized what had occurred, and is not something that had occurred with any frequency. Do you follow what we’re saying? But the moment the individual realized what had actually occurred, it made them sick at their stomach, and they couldn’t say to the Older Member enough: “I can’t believe this happened! And it’s not going to happen.” We could feel the depth of feeling there and knew that was love for Next Level ways and Older Members. Now if that comes easy, that if those words come easy, and they have no depth, and the act is repetitious then it has no significance. You follow what we’re saying?
Every one of you, are capable of that kind of depth. Now you will not be capable of that kind of depth if you continue to permit repetitious giving in of things. As long as you, because it doesn’t grow, it’s like when that moment of temptation comes to you it’s what happens in you that resists at the most tempting moment, that’s what gives you depth, and if the resistance isn’t there, the depth does not develop!
TI:  Understand? Now none of you are in a condition, or position right now, where you cannot do your task. There’s not a single individual sitting here who cannot do their task, but we don’t know how long that will last. In other words it depends upon you, on how well you want to do your task. You’re getting payment for doing your task. The Next Level’s giving you a new body, a new chance to enter their world, and why goof up on it! Why throw it away? This is what you have been working for all, from the very beginning when you were just a speck of dirt. If that’s the way it happened.
(TI laughs)
But the point I’m getting at is don’t throw it away because of some dumb vehicle!
DO:  Or we’re just not being awake when the vehicle wanted to get away with it.
TI:  Because the vehicle is going to, not even the – what the vehicle is feeling isn’t even going to exist after you get into your next vehicle! (DO laughs)
DO:  Yeah, not even going to be a place for it.
TI:  So why listen to it!
DO:  Not even going to be a place for it. That’s a good point. If you could get that in your head well enough you would, it would give you some better ammunition.
You know, I can feel the force and the potency of what we are giving you tonight, and we’re pleading with you not to just throw it away. For your sakes, we’re pleading with you, to just not throw it away.
TI:  You know the Next Level really played a trick on you a couple of weeks ago, and they played it on us also when they told us that the ray had left, they turned it off.
DO:  Certainly feel it now.
TI:  But the ray was not turned off, but I’m sure the psychological thing of it all was. I mean it was strictly a psychological game, I can see it now that we said that because then, if your committal had been sincere, you would have continued to feel that love that you were feeling whether the ray was there or not. So we told you the ray had been turned off because that’s what they told us to say to you, and we felt like that was right.
DO:  But we also said that you can generate it.
TI:  That’s right.
DO:  I wish that you could catch, I wish the contagion of that generation was as good as your colds. I wish that because believe it or not it can be contagious. In other words it would almost isolate ones who refuse to sustain it. If the ones who sustained it sustained it so strongly that the others really felt out of place, and they would say now wait a minute, something is wrong here! And just because I feel out of place does that mean I’m going to go out of place or am I going to get in-step? And you should be able to know how good it feels when you begin to build some of that depth. It feels good, it isn’t easy, the task isn’t easy but it’s really rewarding.
Nobody mislead you when you came to think it was easy. In other words they didn’t cheat on you there – say that you were going for a joyride that turned out to be a hard task. I think you even knew, I think it was even, I know it was in the consciousness of your Next Level Mind. You certainly knew how difficult the task, if you had not known you would not have stayed when the first difficulty arose, much less the second, and the third, and the fourth one. Now what about this one? Because this one’s where we are and this is the most difficult of all.
TI:  This is going to do your task, and it’s going to accomplish what needs to be accomplished for your Next Level bodies. So don’t throw it away, it’s important. It can’t be taken lightly because it’s very very serious, and we hope that we never have to take a task away from somebody, not at this time. You have any questions about this? [Do you all want to do it]?
Students: Yes.
TI:  Some of you didn’t answer what does that mean? (DO and students laughing)
DO:  Okay.
TI:  [What] I would start doing, if you’d like a little tip, I’d get back into that ray. I’d get back and grab hold of it.
DO:  And take it with you into the shadows. (DO laughs)
TI:  That’s right hang onto it, and know that that ray is right there for you and conquer this crazy vehicle, these crazy vehicles. All the little dark corners and be prepared for every obstacle that comes your way. I know the colds have weakened some of you, which they should not have done. It’s no excuse to be weak because you’ve had a cold. You just don’t, because all of those things that come your way, in that way are just tests, to see how you can handle it. So get strong, get hold of the ray, and do your task. That’s all we can say.
(DO) (Inaudible)
TI:  Listen to this tape a lot.
(Class laughs)

TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA – 5-22-94 parts 1 and 2

April 24, 2019
TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA  – 5-22-94 parts 1 and  2
Here are two transcripts of meetings DO gave on May 22, 1994
The context is the first half of the period of time when DO’s Class were holding public meetings from January 1994 to Aug/Sept. 1994. The meeting was primarily for the “new ones” who had just joined by then.
******* PART ONE *******
DO audio transcript – Mt. Cross, California – part 1 of 2 – 5-22-94 – Asking Next Level for help – Deposits and Souls
Originally transcribed by Nisha
Edited by Sawyer (Swy) Classroom name: Swyody))
DO: We’re still waiting to hear from Snnody and from Gbbody on their way down from Eugene but they are trying to get here tonight.
I’m going to address our conversations to the ‘new ones’ and when I say the new ones I mean new ones in the past few months or since we began to hold meetings and to returnees because we have several return students and since I saw some of those students we’ve had a lot of updates in our information. It’s very interesting how our information… we don’t ever get any absolute information, we don’t ever get anything that’s true but we get some that’s true for the moment. It’s always updated. We always find after we get something that we’re excited about understanding then a short time later we get something new and it out-dates that and makes it obsolete. But what we’re so excited about is the new information that is true for the time that it’s true. So some of the students that were with Me and TI for years will find that we’ve had quite a number of updates.
I’m going to ask that you good little students sit up straight and don’t cross your legs and don’t slouch and don’t do your hands like this (motion) because we don’t have any techniques as far as how to hold our hands when receiving information.
(*talking about where certain students are*)
For starters I want the new ones in particular to have no hesitation about asking me questions. Raise your hands and as soon as I get to a moment when I can stop I’ll acknowledge your question. Don’t worry about whether your question seems stupid or insignificant or if you just want to hear whatever DO has to say I’m very interested in what you’re asking and where your questions are because that helps me out a lot to know out where we can interface and how I can help you.
Now, it takes a long time in this classroom, and some students that have been in the classroom a long time still have difficulty in listening because to Me and to TI, listening means that you don’t let your wheels turn while you’re listening you’re just receiving. Instead of every time you receive something if you then listen to the assimilation of that and how that thought affects all your other programming for the time you’re listening to that you’re not listening to me. So it’s hard to get into a mode where you’re simply just receiving and trying not to let the assimilation of your computer hinder your further listening.
We’re going to talk about things that humans don’t know how to talk about and they not only don’t talk about but there’s no structure in their logic to understand some of the things that we’re going to talk about. Human logic is to the Next Level like an elementary school is to high-school and there’s some things that we simply don’t understand like.. Let me give you an example: the Next Level does things that at times really challenge our understanding of fairness. Because they know how to judge what They do in ways we would really question the fairness of.. Let me give you an example.. Well maybe that’s too big of an example.. Some of you have — goodness I don’t know where to start!
Let’s go to the little thought of reincarnation and get rid of it so we can move on to some of the things that will have you understanding a little more of some of the things that we’re going to talk about.
For years and years TI and I thought that reincarnation applied to every Soul and that Souls even came up from domesticated animals and if those Souls only wanted to be with human beings and didn’t like being with their pack anymore. Let’s say if a dog was in a human family and the dog didn’t like the other dogs and considered himself a human and only liked to please his human masters then we thought: well that soul might move right up to the human family and take a human vehicle and stand in line for it.
Now I have a different understanding of that now and I’m still adjusting to the new understanding of it because it has so many implications and this new understanding is, a soul, what we call a soul what we’re going to use the term ‘soul’ for is something that happens to an individual that has received a little chip or little deposit from the Next Level that begins then to form a different container for information than a vehicle had before.
A human vehicle its mechanism its genetic background its environment when the vehicle expresses its genetic background, it’s education then what it is expressing is an audible manifestation of the spirit of the vehicle. Now I’m using spirit in the term that you’re probably accustomed to hearing (the word) Soul used. And believe it or not I’m trying to use the word spirit in a term that isn’t spiritual and that’s kinda funny to play with but let’s just redefine the term ‘spirit’ and I find is the most accurate definition of (the word) spirit is that my spirit or your spirit is the manifestation of what my package is.
In other words my genetic background, what I’ve learned in my environment the education that I’ve been through that there’s an invisible kind of plasma, and I don’t want to get spiritual here but there’s an invisible manifestation of me that forms, that is actual substance though we can’t discern it scientifically only because of human limitations. I’m sure the Next Level can easily discern it scientifically but that spirit then when a human body or vehicle dies that spirit then leaves that body and that spirit is the sum total of information and judgment and whatever that individual was at the time the vehicle left or the vehicle collapsed and then that spirit can be in what we call the ‘discarnate world’ and that spirit can then invade other vehicles if other vehicles will permit it to invade it will invade other vehicles. And in that sense even theoretically that possibility exists that spirits of animals which would be the invisible manifestation of what they were, their intelligence, their judgment those spirits also leave those animals so the invisible is filled with spirits.
Now let’s say that the Next Level has a garden and they start the garden clean and there are no vehicles and therefore no vehicles have died and there are no spirits so when vehicles then collapse or can no longer function then a spirit begins to associate in the spirit world. And depending upon the relationship it might have with a vehicle or the desire that was in that spirit will depend upon whether that spirit will time share with a vehicle whether it be a human vehicle or any other animal type vehicle.
Now at a given time in history then the Next Level comes and they can wipe out the vehicles, eliminate the spirits. I’m sure if they wanted to could come even while the vehicles are running all over the planet and take masses of spirits away if they chose to eliminate some of the unseen world, this surpasses human logic but these spirits of their own volition will do things that the Next Level has it designed that they’re doing those things – permits us an opportunity for growth.
Now, let’s say an example and this is just hypothetical: let’s say one of your vehicles recently lost what the vehicle would’ve considered a loved one and that loved one of the vehicle was lost and so that individual went into the spirit world. Now what happens to that one individual when it goes into the spirit world is dependent on what that individual thinks is going to happen to it when it goes into the spirit world. Like if it believed in Ekankar and its going to create its own Ekankar then it goes with other Ekankars and they find their Ekankar and they do their Ekankar and that’s what it wants.
If they consider that they were going to Heaven or they were going to serve as guardian angel or whatever — to what degree they are permitted — I think some spirits are actually shocked when they get into the discarnate world because they find it, they thought they would go to some place else and that it would be some kind of environment that, whatever they thought, whether it was harps on clouds or meeting all the Saints from past history or whatever they anticipated and I think some are shocked and have to adjust to being here on this planet and in the spirit world and why wouldn’t they be because the spirit is always attached to what the spirit was attracted to while it was in a vehicle. Whatever it’s cravings were, whatever it’s ties were it stays with those craving and stays with those ties.
If you take the near death experiences that I’m sure many of you have read about when people believe their body or spirits leave their body in a hospital surgery circumstance and they will go through what they imagined to be a tunnel of light and meet other members of their family waiting for them. And I suspect that’s very true and those members of the family will help them adjust to what it is that they have gone to. Now if they left those vehicles tied to those members of their family and those members of the family also still felt ties to them they will hang around there.
Just like some individual was very tied to his homestead and he loses his vehicle, his vehicle is going to hang around that homestead and he might hang around with his great grandfather and great great grandfather until the Next Level comes along with a vacuum and vacuums up the spirits and does what it does with them depending on their level of development and what they deserve. Now, ‘spirit’ is a term that we’re now using for the invisible being that exits a vehicle when the vehicle drops.
Except there’s another whole category and that category is when the workers of the Next Level are assigned a task, periodically to choose certain human vehicles and they will then give them physically some little chip or deposit — now I don’t pretend to be able to describe what it is that they give to them, I wouldn’t assume to know that. I’m not meant to know that. Well, if I am I’ve failed because I certainly don’t understand it. And this little thing that they were given makes them have a little recognition for someone else who has that object and they feel a kinship with someone else who has that chip.
When they feel or when they hear an expression of Next Level information then they have a recognition they say ‘goodness I’ve heard this before’ or ‘I’ve know this all my life!’ or whatever their way of expressing that they recognize that because that little gift was given to them. Now here are a bunch of people sitting out here that I’m assuming all have that little chip of recognition or you wouldn’t be sitting here unless you’re just sitting here because you’re on an adventure, trying to find out what this cult really believes and I’m trying to make my way from one cult to another to really see what they do.
Okay, now what I started off to tell you about was the Next Level’s idea of fairness why is it that some person may receive that little chip of recognition and they may find their overcoming of their human ways, their addictions and the destruction of human ways that interfere with their change and with accepting Next Level’s ways – one vehicle may find that a fairly simple change a fairly easy change another one just works and works and works, well at least they think they’re working and they don’t seem to make much progress in this area or that area and they can look at one of their classmates and say you know ‘what’s it with so and so who found it so easy to make this transition?’ Why am I having such a hard time. And it could easily be thought of as unfair. Now I do not know the criteria that the Next Level would use in giving that chip of recognition to vehicles. And it’s not up to me to question that criteria because that’s not my task. My task is to come and work with those who have that chip. And help them in their change.
Now what TI and I have always felt the truth was that the Next Level — now I say that I felt that this way and I have not yet seen evidence that makes me feel differently but TI and I always felt that the Next Level did not give someone a chip of recognition who was incapable of change – incapable of making the transition from human to Next Level.
And we also thought when it was very difficult for someone to make that change in overcoming the addictions of their brain patterns or their likes for this or their dislikes for having to do what someone else says instead of what they would like to do with whatever impulses they might have – that the difficulty they deal with in overcoming humanism builds strength which the Next Level finds a very important characteristic of service, building strength.
So in order to change and become a yielding putty in the hands of the Next Level does not mean watery weak putty that falls through the hands. It means putty that’s very strong but pliable in other words strength is developed because you had to work and work like crazy. Now one other aspect I must mention is that some Souls now when you have received that chip then that chip has with it the capacity of starting what we’ll call a container for Next Level mind in other words something can be built in the area of that vehicle and that spirit that is Next Level mind and something is being built and we’ll call the container that is present after the Next Level has given the chip, we’ll call that the Soul. And then the Soul is receiving Next Level information. Now when scripture says, Christian scripture says that you’re going to become a new creature that is not symbolism that is a fact as far as I can tell and what is meant by a new creature is that you drop all of the characteristics that were your old identity.
And that’s tough, that’s difficult and its hard to let go of them. And you might find it easy to let go of some of those characteristics like maybe 1 through 117 was easy to let go of then you get to 118 and it was tough. And you’re feeling when you’re faced with 118 you say like ‘I don’t even know who I am anymore’ I don’t even have — I just can’t even – I don’t know who I am and that of course is when you’re at a very critical excellent place to be because you are losing your old identity.
In other words what is going to fill your spirit your and that spirit is in that Soul is the Mind of the Next Level. Now the Mind of the Next Level came from the Next Level. I mean it is present in the Next Level. Those individuals who are in the Next Level possess varying amounts and degrees of Next Level mind. My Older Member possesses more of that than I possess. My Older Member and my Older Member’s Older Member must feel that I possess enough of it to help you to possess more of it. Now the more of it that you possess is like this container you have can only hold so much stuff so I have to abort programming, abort the essence of what I was, my genetic emanation, manifestation my learned Mind. I have to abort it piece by piece in order to accept more Next Level mind in.
That means that the more you accept Next Level mind in then the more you’re going to sound like your Older Member. You’re going to use the same vocabulary – your thoughts are going to be structured more and more the same way. You can have an influence with you that doesn’t want to make that change or feel that it’s invasive some how or another not proper. Listen, I feel honored to accept it because it is the very Mind of my Creator that has been channeled down through levels and generations from Older Members to Younger Members it is the Mind of the Creator now I have a little bit of it compared to some that are Older Members in the Next Level.
Now, any resistance you have to give up your human mind you’re going to have to face that quickly and decide whether or not you’re willing to let go of it. Giving up your human mind gets down to practical aspects of giving up your human mind that means giving up your likes and dislikes your habits your ways what you respect – what you like as far as use of vernacular is concerned or how you like the way your brain works or you like to spend so many hours walking or so much time in the bathtub or to consume certain things. Invariably the very things that are hard for you to let go of will be spotlighted and be seen as major issues to you.
You have to give up your judgment it’s like that little tiny hole in the hour glass that when you have lost your humanness enough and when you begin to receive Next Level mind and you’re in that little tiny hole in that hourglass it’s like ‘I don’t know who I am, I have finally become wise enough to know I have no judgment’. And the only judgment that I’m going to have or want is the judgment that is passed down to me from the Next Level from my Older Member.
Now that sounds real pretty to talk about but in application it’s tough it’s plain old hard work. Any time you have resistance from change – an influence or any resistance that doesn’t want to let go of certain likes or dislikes or assessment, you are at that moment receiving and hosting an influence which is a gift from the Next Level and that sounds like ‘The Next Level sends me the bad guys?’ that’s right. Actually the bad guys go after you to defeat you because that’s the way that the Creator designed it and the Creator says I have designed it this way and if you want Me, if you want My world as I let those bad guys go to pursue you they can be the very instrument of your strength – your change, your battle to win against change. Any rebellion I have is an influence that is trying to challenge me – trying to have me not accomplish this change and it was permitted to come to me and in a sense is sent to me.
Now, My Older Member, TI has not gone back to some distant place and is involved totally with other tasks, even though I feel TI does other tasks other than helping you and me. But I feel sometimes if I can instantly say like I said to Arrody when Arrody said ‘when I got to New Mexico—’ he said ‘all these new influences just started ganging up on me and up until I got to New Mexico I felt so great – I felt so free’, and I said Arrody, TI sent you those influences. Because TI was challenging his commitment, testing him seeing whether or not he wanted to make that change.
*interruption*
DO: Do you think we’re having some visitors? Can we stop the tape.
Move on further, because nobody’s hand has gone up and I’m sure I’ve sailed past some things that — the danger of not talking to you like this is it can so easily sound like highfalutin theoretic religious or spiritual information and yet that is what I am trying to prohibit it from sounding that way. I’m trying to make it practical, real application of real stuff.
Jwnody?
Jwnody: a deposit… (asks question)
DO: okay yes I’m glad you brought that back in, finish your question.
Jwnody: And once the deposit is made, do we have the soul beginning?
DO: Yes, the beginning. You have a little soul that has the capacity to grow because the Soul is going to contain Next Level mind so the more it grows—its like you have two containers happening here or you’ve got the spirit of this individual that’s trying to abort in order to make room for the soul to contain more Next Level mind. Okay let’s say the Next Level goes to [Swy: earth in] the year 600BC or 4000BC and the Next Level visited with someone and gave them a deposit and sent a Member of the Next Level to relate to that one and nourish that deposit and humanism began to be aborted by the effort, hard work effort of the individual.
Every individual — you know this old thing of Christians debating all the time over ‘once saved always saved’. You’re saved as long as you’re saved. What are you saved from? You’re saved from being separated from the Next Level – being separated from the Kingdom of God. But you’re only saved as long as you pursue with your effort, growth and development and service getting rid of selfish desires and as long as you please the Next Level.
Here’s another thing that may not seem fair to a lot of spiritual people is that Next Level doesn’t mind giving you the boot. And a lot of times they give you service by giving you the boot. They’ll give you the boot and if you’re made of anything you’ll come back and say ‘Please don’t give me the boot!’. What does it take for me to prove to You that I don’t want the boot?
And The Next Level say, well I think I’ve heard you say that before so I think you better go on your way. And they’ll go their way and a week later, six weeks later and say I don’t want this I want to go to the Next Level so they come back and say ‘Next Level?, Is there any way you can open your door to me again?’ and the Next Level then says, whoever it is that’s dealing with that individual, says up to the chain of command to their Older Member, ‘what do you say? Give this person another chance?’ and they say ‘OK, you can give him another chance.’ you always — you cannot get rid of your free will – you cannot, even when you’re in the Kingdom of Heaven an Older Member has the free will to go awry.
Anytime an Older Member thinks he’s not dependent on his Older Member he is on the threshold of going awry. Now get that again any time any individual in the Next Level in the Kingdom of Heaven thinks they’re not totally dependent on the one that is assigned to nourish them, they’re on the threshold of going awry.
When they think that they have gotten so big that they can do something on their own and they can go and create – the higher you go in the Next Level the easier that is to do. It’s our understanding, and it may be wrong but those who we call Luciferians – they weren’t humans – they were ones who had been brought into the Next Level and learned a lot of Next Level knowledge and Next Level skills and Next Level ways that to humans would seem utterly phenomenal, just beyond belief and yet as they chose to not acknowledge their necessary total need for their Older Member, only looking to their Older Member – only seeking to please their Older Member, but once self comes back in — as long as you’ve got free will you’ve always got that possibility of ‘self’ coming right back in and saying: I’m tired of looking to someone else or I’ve leaned a lot of this – I can – I have a contribution to make and your Older Member says well if that’s what you want to do, have at it.
And your Older Member will say that. Many times in the classroom people will tell me what they want to do. Students will tell me what they want to do and I’ll say ‘have at it’ and they’ll learn a little while later ‘why did you say have at it?’ and I’ll say because I wasn’t about to tell you no you couldn’t do it because I sense that what you  wanted to do was do that. And I knew that if you’re made of good stuff that you would do it a little while and think that’s not the right thing to do, what should I be doing? I don’t want or to do this but you always have free will – you cannot get rid of it and the higher you go the more you’re tested with the easy access to going separate.
What if you’re in a relationship with your Older Member and you see your Older Member very very seldom? Actually seeing physically your Older Member very seldom and your mental relationship with your Older Member becomes some what ‘artificial’ or ‘spiritual’ or religious rather than real? Separation has come. And there are students in the class that still think that they can talk to me and get answers from me and from TI when they’re separated from us and again and again I’ve seen that the answers they got are not real.
Now there are ways you can ask for things – you can ask for help in this or you can ask to be stronger in overcoming this – you can ask to get past this rebellion. All these things that you can ask and if your asking was really sincere and strong the answers to that asking will be fulfilled, and that you can do when you’re separate from your Older Member – you can do that asking. But if you’re asking is somewhat etheric or somewhat less than real or some dream or some thought comes and answers that you’ll check immediately with your partner and those in your group and your Older Member before you act on that – what you thought was an answer. Because 9 times out of 10 it will not be right. Now the Next Level, I’m going to repeat, will present you with answers to your requests if your requests are answers for your advancement and getting closer to the Next Level. If you’re asking is mechanical they won’t pay attention to it they have to feel like you’re asking has ‘oomph’ behind it.
It’s like when TI, before TI began to awaken She liked doing horoscopes for people. But when TI would do a horoscope for someone it wasn’t an ordinary horoscope. It wasn’t something you could get out of Allen Leo’s book or some other. It was magic when I saw the – I never took horoscopes seriously, than when I met TI and I asked TI for a horoscope. I was in the same category as anyone else and TI wouldn’t do a horoscope for anybody unless they asked her 3 times. And she’d never let anyone know that she’d only give them one if they asked at least 3 times. So I mean she had to know that they really wanted it. After they had asked at least 3 times then she might share with them that she won’t do it if they hadn’t asked her 3 times.
But and this is the way the Next Level is, a lot of times if you’re asking seems shallow or systematic like ‘oh I just go through my little routine of asking’ it doesn’t get you anywhere. If you’re asking because you’re hurting, because you’re craving to get out of your deadlock of lack of progress and you want control in areas you don’t have control or you want beyond rebellion or you want restraint or you’re talking too much or not expressing yourself enough whatever it is and you are doing it because it’s holding you back you’ll get answers and you’ll get them fast and they come strong.
And most of the time when you get answers you’ll think well that wasn’t what I was expecting I didn’t want that kind of answer but you’ll be presented with the circumstance that will be the perfect situation for the change which you asked for. Frequently your meter goes up and your whole horizon about the subject that you thought you were asking on becomes significantly increased because you realized the one you were asking on was one tiny aspect of that subject and really didn’t hold as much significance as you thought it did until the answer of your request came. But, Members of the Next Level that TI has supervision over as far as I’m concerned, in relationship to this class, they have the ability to read the degree of your asking.
Now I have fussed at, in the groups that were out holding meetings, I have fussed at some of the overseers and others in the classroom for not paying enough attention to their patients. Just for fun I’m considering.. Well not just for fun, it’s applicable as an analogy – new ones are the patients and patients, if you sit in your ward, if you sit in your hospital room and sit in your ward – new students and you don’t when you have a need or you want to improve and the nurse is not tending you, you’ve got to push the buzzer! Or knock on the door or go down the hall and hunt out that nurse and ask for help and also in the same token for some of you who have some experience in the ways that the new ones are working you have to without any confidence — you know the nurse that thinks she is the doctor is the one that is always going to give the wrong remedy. But the one who merely goes to the doctors order and fills the prescription or calls the doctor, well you know Gene Scott says: ‘The doctors in’. Well as far as I’m concerned you’re in the classroom and the doctors in. As long as I’m here, I’m your doctor. TI is my doctor, I’m your doctor. Those in the classroom are your nurses and you are the patient. In that sense, all of you are patients. And the oldest ones of you I am your nurse. Now, age is determined by development how much you have developed not by certainly the age of your vehicle.
Now, Jwnody asked: ‘what about this vehicle that received an implant. A little chip that gave it recognition of information and recognition of other individuals who were carrying Next Level information. What if someone way back BC some significant time had a visit from someone from The Next Level and got a Chip, had a relationship with an Older Member, learned some things and lost the vehicle. Well, according to the theory we just went through since that individual had an encounter first it received a deposit once it started a pillowcase – a container for Next Level mind once it has Next Level mind in it then we have a soul with mass. And then the Next Level can take that Soul at the time that the vehicle collapses and do what it wants with it. We usually use the term that it ‘puts it on ice’ until it’s time for it to have a chance to pick up where it left off with another representative of the Next Level to continue with its lessons.
You might find a vehicle in this classroom that is 20 years old as far as the age of the vehicle is concerned and yet it may have had more association and exerted more effort of change to get closer to the Next Level, than that Soul might have, so that others around it could be jealous of how easy that individual had it as far as making change and not having all this resistance and all this change. If that individual has really received much Next Level mind it’s going to be more restrained. It’s not going to have its feathers easily flustered and it’s not going to be self concerned – it’s going to be more concerned in how it can serve. It’s going to be quicker to use “we” talking about its partnership or it’s crew than “me” and my needs and my concerns – it’s going to, even though it wants service it’s also going to be wise enough to know when I want service too badly I usually need to go through a period of seeming no service because I can learn a great deal during times of wanting service and not being aware that I have the opportunity for significant service.
Now that doesn’t make sense in human logic either. And yet a lot of times the Next Level prepares us for service by giving us lengthy periods of very little service to test us to see what are we going to do? If we don’t have service by  point X are we going to say well, you’ve had it Next Level. I was your gem and yet you didn’t give me service when I wanted it so I don’t want you anymore. That can happen. We have experienced that happening in this classroom. Some didn’t climb the ladder the way they wanted to climb the ladder. Here’s another thing that isn’t human logic, you could think that overseers are those who are more advanced… Not necessarily so. A person might— *end of tape*
(Swy – I would guess based on experience with DO that he might have said that a person might have needed the tests provided by having that overseer task that may look highfalutin to them and others.)
******* PART TWO *******
DO audio transcript – Mt. Cross part 2 of 2 – 5-22-94 – 38 min. – Family and Religion biggest addictions to humanness
Originally transcribed by new student of TI and DO – Nisha.
Edited by Sawyer (Swy) – Classroom name: Swyody
DO: You need to go BC? (Swy: Bath Chamber)
Student: No no, 600BC
DO: Oh, I’m simple, practical minded. I hear BC and I think, oh someone needs to go pee. (class laughs).
DO: Okay is the tape going?
Student: I hope so.
DO: Okay (laughs). We’ll talk about another kind of BC.
Student: that’s what we meant, remind you of that.
(Swy: TI and DO both asked students to remind them of things to bring up at the next meeting)
DO: Yes, I do not know – I have no idea how many times the Next Level might choose to have souls that it is still pleased with, return to a human environment in order to develop more. There is no better environment than a human environment – when the human environment is its most rotten. I mean the condition of the world today is the perfect environment for us. There is no restraint at all in openly pushing everything that is against the Next Level – no restraint at all. Even you could go into Muslim countries, Islam and find considerable more restraint and care about certain elements that are against the Next Level and this nation that we’re in is probably the least retrained in areas that are even seen as destructive areas. Now I’m going to touch on some toes, certainly of influences and this is a tough one and I’m warning you about it because it’s hard to make the adjustment that there’s truth to this.
The two elements that probably grow to be the greatest social enemies of the Next Level are those elements that are held in place by space aliens that are not working for our Father’s Kingdom that bind people to the family. The family and religion are the worst drugs there are and they elevate them together. You go to your religion to get married. I mean they go hand in hand. If you want to insure a good tight nit family, it’s one that worships together and does their religious ritual together and believes and practices to the best of their ability their religious belief.
Religion is not of the Next Level. It is the distortion of truth from those who are against The Next Level. Those who are against the Next Level have taken the truth and the words and the concepts that relate humans to the Next Level and twist them just enough and put them back into the heads and call them religion and it becomes impossible to get change.
There’s only one way you can get into the Next Level and that’s as an individual. As long as the Next Level is pleased with you as a student, as an individual. You can’t take someone else with you, it’s an impossibility. Therefore, you have to be an individual. Now, there’s some in the classroom that had once relationships with others that were in the classroom and yet they’ve lost that consciousness altogether of that relationship.
The Next Level has the distinct characteristic of being non-sexual, non-sexual. When you read about the Pleidians or any of these space groups or space aliens that have identity of female or male, you know at the outset that they are not from the Next Level. That does not mean the Next Level does not use them for certain things they want to accomplish,  any more than the Next Level uses evil influences to come and attack you in order to give you strength but they are not of the Next Level.
There is not the youngest member of the Next Level who is still male or female and you can even find that in the good book if you chose to pay attention to it. You can even find in the good book that unless you leave all behind all ties, attachments of this world and come and follow me, and who is my family? These are my family (Swy: referring to Do’s students there as Jesus referred to), and yet does religion acknowledge that? They can’t possibly acknowledge that.
The only way that the Luciferians insure ignorance is to keep you drunk on, or keep humans drunk on reproductive activity and religion. And the ones who are the most righteous in that behavior are the ones least likely to ever have their eyes open to receive a deposit or recognize the truth.
Very frequently the ones who have the deposit are the ones who the Next Level, by their little meters can see, that that individual, or that soul and I’m saying individual because we don’t know when you received a deposit – if you received a deposit a long time ago and that soul has come back several times then as we said earlier it could be a very young vehicle but be a very old soul because it has so much control already developed and has already rid itself of so many self concerns.
But Souls are vehicles as we see them, well when Ti and I began to awaken right before these vehicles began to receive a little bit more Next Level mind in order to try to you know do things to our heads the lives that we were in just fell apart and lives that were just months prior to that were productive in every way suddenly they were just falling apart.
People who just months before would have complimented us and were proud of us suddenly were against us, criticizing us and telling everyone how bad we were. Is that bad?, No. It might be bad for the world but it wasn’t bad for us, it helped us separate from the world it helped us in our accelerated growth. You might know from the history of Ti and Do that we both spent time in jail. Ti was in jail for a month, this vehicle was in jail for 6 months it finally received a sentence of 4, so they owe me 2!
What happened is that we were so taken with our — when this Mind was coming in and our becoming something else was happening that we were out of it and we were like two crazy individuals who were crazy in the same way simultaneously, not knowing what was going on.
And as the Mind came in we could not function, we had trouble driving cars. I was telling Helpers that we had to learn everything that this vehicle knew how to do and relearn them. It’s like these creatures came in from the Next Level and had to relearn human things all over again and I remember the first time we drove into a city after this mental change and we were scared of the traffic. And yet the vehicles grew up in cities where the traffic was insane! so I’m just telling you the changes that took place.
I don’t know if this is entirely accurate but it serves the purpose as far as we’re concerned when the one who was called Jesus was beginning to receive a significant amount of Mind — humans called it because that’s the vernacular of the writers of religious history, called it Holy Spirit – pure, more pure Mind than human mind.
And at the time that He had received enough Mind that He could start doing a task was symbolically, whether it’s accurate or not I don’t know, was the time with John the Baptist right before He began to minister. Well Ti and I received that Mind just before we began to minister. When we first began to minister we didn’t know what we were doing, we were scared, we were going around, we were so confused. We read the Bible, read the Bible, read the Bible, then we threw the Bible away, we read anything we could get our hands on of Madame Blavatsky and the Ascended Masters and we threw them away then finally we knew we couldn’t read anything that offered anything to us.
And when there was question among us there was something with TI that I recognized that Ti had a relationship with Ti’s Older Member that was closer than I had with that Older Member. We considered ourselves, and still consider ourselves a partnership. But Ti is clearly an Older Member than Do. Now, ‘older’ is measured by development, but you know what’s funny? I can count on Ti’s pace on the race track and I doubt if I’ll ever catch her. It’s our development of change and of service and ridding ourselves of self and increasing our Minds that comes from our Older Member from the Next Level through our Older Members that moves up the ladder. It cannot be measured by time – the funny thing is time is measured by effort – you can actually move out, of physically and scientifically move out of your time consciousness if your effort is applied enough toward your change. You will move into a different perception of time all together, if you stay down in what your old perception of time was you will retard your development.
You have to let these clumsy changes take place as you receive more Next Level mind and abort human mind and you go through periods of clumsiness and you go through periods of saying I don’t know who I am anymore. I don’t know what this is all about can you help me? And since Ti and I have experienced that we’re so pleased when someone reaches that point of saying I don’t know who I am anymore I’m just desperate and they couldn’t be in a better place then when they’re desperate to move forward.
You know, I could be wrong but I have to stop right there since I said that because there’s nothing more important than learning to put into your vocabulary and your vernacular the qualifying statements that indicate your awareness of your ignorance. If you think you’re right on most of the statements you make its because you do not perceive your inaccuracies. It’s like all the people that are observing the elephant and they are all standing in different places and one sees this and one sees that – everything you make a different judgment of what you’re seeing whether it’s your classmates behavior, your seeing it from your perspective based upon your background, your knowledge, your genetic package, your education all that and you’re only seeing one facet. So if you’re stupid enough to say with some authority I saw so and so and so and so were doing that and your making judgment of others you simply haven’t learned that we don’t have the capacity to make judgments. I mean the more I grow the more I know about how little judgment I have so one of the very basic elements in our classroom is qualifying your statements.
If you do it falsely: “Oh, I may be wrong or I could be wrong” learning these phrases you tack on in the beginning but then you tack them on with confidence what it was that you were about to say, it’s a mockery and you haven’t actually learned that you’re only seeing one facet of it and that facet cannot be trusted.
Okay, what I was starting to say when I said I could be wrong, I feel that we — because of you, because of these new ones, because of this ‘second wave’ if you want to play the prophecy game of the human religious or charismatics as far as I’m concerned you are now being lifted out of the world according to their little fun games of prophecy the second rapture is taking place because you’re literally being lifted out of the world, the world will not know how to find you literally not know how to find you – you will have left it – you would have been elevated out of it.
Now, I feel that this second wave or this going out and holding meeting for these that we’re holding meetings for is a very strong indication of the completion of this task and influence will hammer at my head and say: “Do, how could you think that? you have these new students that need training and they need this and need to overcome this and that and look at those others they had 18 years off in someplace and they learned all these things”.
The Next Level knows what they’re doing. Some of the first will be last, some of last will be first. You can climb mountains overnight if your desire is strong enough. You can change overnight if your desire is strong enough. Some have been in the classroom since the classroom started may be very slow to change in certain ways and very slow to apply effort and so what comes in? An influence comes in to have them jealous of someone who’s new to the class and has so much change. Why does the Next Level permit that? Because that is a perfect opportunity for them to exert more effort and not listening to that jealousy and doing something about it. Changing.
Getting rid of that rebellion and getting rid of that resistance to letting go of your old way, you know the Next Level is very very refined. It makes me sick when I hear again and again and again, about the essence of dignity was Jacqueline Onassis. (Class laughs) and yet I know that I’ve never known anything to touch the dignity of my Older Member, and yet I also know that most of the class was incapable of recognizing the dignity that my Older Member had because of your youth and lack of perception.
The more you learn the more restrained you are, the more control you have the more quick you are to tune in to what your Older Member’s Mind is instead of wanting your Older Member to tune in to where your mind is. We’ve covered a lot of territory in our little time tonight and I want you to think on these things and if you haven’t anything to ask, I’ve got a whole pocket of things (swy: hear papers rustling) I was going to bring up and a lot of these I haven’t touched on because of the way our meeting has gone and yet I almost feel like if we don’t stop, anything else we say will have gone beyond the point of saturation. Can I assist you with any questions? Strody?
Strody: (asks question)
DO: I’ll get back to whatever you’d like to
Strody: Can we get back to the soul?
DO: I think that we covered that, what was meant by that as a soul, I may be wrong on this but I do not think— let’s say a soul returned theoretically one soul returned to this civilization six times or three times, 2 times, once. I do not think it requires so may returns I think it depends on the effort applied by that individual and it’s thirst for nourishment and the application of that nourishment that determines how many times a return is made. I don’t think we can judge areas of change by what you deal with. This is a very important thing for you to understand, just because you deal with certain things doesn’t mean you’re going to have to come back and conquer that thing.
Dealing with something can be keeping it in check. You know the Easterner’s believe you pay for something by karma and it’s true but karma can happen very very quickly but what you got into you have to get out of and to the same degree that you got into it it’s gonna take that degree to get out of it. Now how fast that happens is determined on how thirsty you are – how close you stay to the source of your nourishment and the application of that nourishment. It can happen very quickly, that change can occur quickly. And we don’t have the capacity to measure, I don’t have the capacity to measure. If a spacecraft came down right now and we all marched aboard and I may think in my Mind that well I wonder what the Next Level is going to do with this student or that student because I’m not aware that they’ve overcome this, that or the other. I am doing my tasks to the best of my ability and I have been proven many times to assess someone’s development wrongly. And all I can do is ask my Older Member how can I help this one more? But I cannot offer you help if you are not asking for it.
When you come to meetings like we’re having right now everyone gets help even if you didn’t ask for it, you get nourishment. It isn’t going to do you any good if you aren’t hungry when you come here. If you’re not hungry and thirsty it won’t do you any good. If you sit and listen and say “boy this sounds great, this is really good stuff and no change takes place it doesn’t get anywhere. Now, I cannot build the fire of thirst in you, you can build it. If you say, well how can I build it? Ask. If the answer doesn’t come, ask again. Until you convince Ti that you need it and Ti will send you the help to increase that thirst. There is nothing that you can ask that cannot be supplied if you really want it. A lot of you ask for things because you want them 18 hours a day but you don’t want them those other 6. I’m not kidding. It’s like when you’re off in your bunk in the night or you have this time to yourself and you’re just having at it or going at things in your head that are totally contrary to what you asked for.
Are you participating in certain things? Mentally. Our mental participation has already set the stage for our physical participation. If we were permissive of what went on in our heads the damage has already been done we might as well have done the physical. Because our system has been poisoned. I told you that you have to abort human mind in order to take in Next Level mind. The same thing happens in reverse you begin to abort Next Level mind as you insist on taking back in human mind. They don’t occupy the same space. There’s certain level of Next Level mind that can cohabitate with certain level of human mind. Higher level human mind cannot come into your pillow case unless you get rid of and show your commitment to staying rid of it if you bring it back Next Level mind will be pulled from you to the degree that you brought it back and then you’ll have to convince Next Level that you want it back because they’ll say you asked for it and I gave it to you. What did you do with it? You brought things in that caused it to be aborted.
How could you not believe me when I say they cannot coexist? I can’t count the times that students have said I’m going to lick this. I want none of this its hideous and yet certain hours of the day or certain hours of the week they’ll go participate in the very thing that they said they will let themselves be blinded they’ll move into another head-space because they’d refuse to withdraw the DTs.
When you’re withdrawing from an addiction, to concepts and activity of the human world you have to stay committed around the clock to the abortion of those things that poison Next Level mind or cannot coexist with Next Level mind. I’m telling you the truth. You can bank on it. I don’t believe I should say ‘I could be wrong’ because I know from experience they cannot coexist. I know my Older Member pulls away from me when I do things that do not please my Older Member and I can sit there and say while my throat is dry: How can I get closer to my Older Member? Yet I continue to do the things that my Older Member does not want to be in my presence and you can say: Well how does my Older Member even know that I’m doing them? Listen, we reek of what we thing, we reek of what we do. I wish at times I did not know what was on your minds, what thoughts you participate in. I have to work at not knowing because I don’t want to invade you and I can’t tell you what you should be doing, you have choice of what you want to do yet I can’t help but be aware of what you’re dealing with by choice.
Initially when it comes to you it was not by choice, it comes to you because you asked for growth. That difficulty came to you because you asked for growth. What are you supposed to do? You’re supposed to abort it. You’ve got to learn to control the mechanism of the brain you’ve go to learn to be quiet – you’ve got to learn when to not have thoughts you should be. You know I’ll hand it to some of these who mediate and meditate if they really know how to clear and stay clear and stay clear. But you can’t have your balloon filled up with dead clear. I mean that’s not going to get you anywhere either.
If you want to progress you have to be in a mode of taking in. When I’m asking and I’m receiving nourishment and I am asking for situations that will help me conquer and they are sent to me and let’s say it took me 15 rounds in the ring with that fellow and he still licked me what am I going to do quit? Say I’m no good? Or say if he’s the guy that you want me to fight with, I’m going to prove to you that I can lick him. It’s not for you to decide who you need to fight  with, its for the Next Level to decide who you fight with. It’s your job to win the battle, win the rounds, win the rounds.
The same guy that comes to you—if you had a weakness there, the Next Level will use that weakness from here on out to strengthen you, to strengthen you. So that when he comes what used to be 15 rounds becomes 14, and it was 16 it becomes 13 and 17 becomes 11 and then 14 becomes 7 and it starts going up and then might fall back and starts going up until you have that guy you can handle him in the first round and then you have that guy that you thought was insurmountable and you have him by the first blow. Because you used to be in the whole first round with him before you realized you were even fighting. (class laughs) I’m serious!, and you know that I’m serious that’s the reason you’re laughing because you know, you would fight that guy a whole round before you even recognized what was going on. And then soon you learn what going on and you say I’m not going to go 3 minutes with this guy I’m going to shorten it and shorten it, your effort shortens your time. Shortens increases your development, gets you moving faster on the track. Actually the track becomes slower for you, time becomes slower for you.
Student: When you really begin to have it in your control, it slows down?
DO: That’s right. Time slows down.
Student: You mean.., like a week will feel like a month?
DO: No, a month will feel like a day. And to me it hasn’t sped up it has slowed down.. You follow what I’m saying?
Student: Yes I do.
DO: it’s gone just the reverse where the time has meant nothing to me and even this little idea – once you get into the vehicle that’s not designed to perish and decay like a human vehicle. If the AMA learned everything that there was to learn about every disease — of course everything that they call a disease is not a disease its part of a design to recycle that vehicle – I mean it’s not designed to go on and go on and go on. By Next Level standards it was nothing but a plant and a container from the offset. There was not life in it, there was no soul until Next Level put a deposit in it. Once there’s a deposit in it that has life in it for the first time but even the possessor of that life has to do something about it in order to keep life there and make it grow. If the life grows and grows and becomes bigger and strong then time all but stands still. The way it stands still is like a day, you can get 1000 years work done in a day. No decay is taking place, there is no destruction taking place its— and this sounds crazy, it’s hard to get this in your head and it’s irrelevant to us at this point but it is what is meant by Next Level vehicles, physical containers for your souls when you are a Member of the Next Level its not designed to go out on you.
They may have you go to the wardrobe and take a vehicle that was designed to go out for a period of time. But you would take it off like you would take off a suit of clothes and not lose any consciousness, there would be no shock, no change you’d be like whoa time to get rid of that suit because this suit was designed to go out after a period of time.
There’s other suits that are designed imperishable. But what’s more important is what’s in the suit that becomes imperishable, because the less of you that is in it, the more you are simply the container for Next Level mind the more imperishable it is, you cannot be gotten rid of. You are still that soul, that container that mechanism of choice that says more, more, I’m thirsty I want more, I want to get rid of this. That is you. That is all that is you but as that advances you become not concerned for you but concerned for your unit or concerned for your place as a spoke in a wheel. That’s not a put down, its glorious its so much more important than what an individual can become, its ridiculous. Any individual that can become anything as an individual instead of how the creator designed it is very short lived. Until it is no more. (Do whispers) there with that yawn.
(Class laughs)
DO: These little plants as they hear this kind of stuff they’re just like (yawns) and they yawn.
Student: Should we ask the Next Level for less yawns?
DO: Yes, you can.
Student: Next Level, I would like less yawns.
(Class laughs)
DO: when you feel, that you’re getting— you need to keep aware of your vehicles condition when you’re getting sluggish which you can easily get when we’re talking about this information you can easily almost receive so much nourishment in this manner that you forget to feed oxygen into the vehicle and so the vehicle is going like this (does motion) and you’re like Hey, I wanted to listen, what’s happening? And you have to make an effort to get alert again and take in enough air systematically to keep it active. Listen, when my Older Member is speaking through me it’s such a joy to me to give it away I’m afraid at times I can even drain energy from whoever is close in order to deliver that information.
I’ve experienced that happen too many times, when Ti and I would sit next to each other at meetings and it was really going and it was really strong and the other one was going like this and we’d have to systematically bring it back to life, it’s like a battery that’s lending itself. If I was speaking and Ti was listening very carefully and trying to feed to me and trying to help me when I go a little astray or in any way, that energy that Ti would be feeding me while I was speaking, it would cause Ti to get erect again and take in more air in order to keep the vehicle from collapsing and I know when I get excited when I’m being used in that way that I can easily without realizing it draw whatever energy that is available to tap in order to assist in the delivery of that information. It’s just part of the mechanism. Okay, what time is it?
Student: 9:20(pm)
DO: you have to be out of here by 8 in the morning. Okay we’re going to call it quits for the night so let’s talk for a minute— Turn the tape off.

Some corrections to those who say nothing Ti and Do said came true

January 8, 2019

Here are just a handful of all the many things Ti and Do said and taught and did that showed to have come true. However it will be each person’s choice to try to grow to see them or not. With each one – in no special order, I could give a lot more examples. I will expand this as they occur to me since a few people seem to think nothing they ever said came true:
Things TI and DO said that have come true:

1) In the 1970’s Ti and Do said we would enjoy the music of the spheres while Next Level Members:

from spaceweather.com on 11/23/2018:

MUSICAL” WAVES DETECTED IN EARTH’S MAGNETIC FIELD: This week in Norway, a space weather observatory detected sine waves of exceptional purity rippling through Earth’s polar magnetic field. The waves, which persisted for hours with nearly perfect pitch, have been linked to “tearing instabilities” and explosions in Earth’s magnetic tail–not to mention bright auroras in Arctic skies. Visit today’s edition of Spaceweather.com to see the waves and to learn more about them.

2) Ti and Do developed a movie script they said was fiction based on the truth that entailed Pluto being an “earth lab” inside and having a big “whitish” louvered door for spacecrafts to go in and out.

New Horizons spacecraft has documented that Pluto has a blueish atmosphere and has a large whitish spot on it’s “top” – could that be the “door” a type of a membrane door.

3) A spacecraft did come to pick them up. They felt Hale Bopp was the “marker” for that to come true.

4) Ti and Do said they would die and resurrect.

When the media hit they said for about 3 days they felt the “mission was dead” and there was no sense going on. (See 88Update). But they stood on their feet again to continue to have meetings and then after TI left DO stood up by himself (resurrection means “to stand up again”) as the one who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus and saying Ti was his “heavenly Father”.

An additional way this was true is demonstrated by Revelation chapter 11 as the two witnesses being first “subdued” (overcome) (1975 on the national news their vehicles reputations were shot down talking about them a thieves) and then they then “separated by dying themselves” (Greek “apokteino auto”). Their ascension (rising up) was invisible to humans but not to “those with eyes to see”, a common expression by Jesus referring to those who recognized “them” in some way.

5) They said they were not “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the vehicle taken over by an Older Member from the Next Level and taken through a metamorphosis to change into a new creature. They said Jesus would return as part of the 7th Closeness. (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). That closeness seems to have begun again, mostly as of 2017 with a final closeness yet to come but they said it was not to be a teaching time as that time has passed. For 20 years the Heaven’s Gate story diminished in the media. In fact during the 10 year anniversary there were only a few major media done on them. One was National Geographic’s – The Final Report; Heaven’s Gate.

For the next 10 years occasionally there would be a story that talked about them among the Luciferian space alien stimulated evil and abusive cults who did pressure people with controls and manipulations and murder and money mongering and blatant sexual “freedom” while Ti and Do’s group had none of that and actually a great deal of proof to the contrary.

For nearly 15 years my subscriptions to my youtube channel, 3spm grew maybe one every 6 months. Then 2017 hit when I also released my book and there were a few anniversary stories early on, like Inside Edition to where they continued the same mis/dis information campaign over again. After the anniversary I was approached by CNN/HLN to participate in a documentary. I asked the producer Alex Pressburg why they were covering the story – was it the anniversary – and he said no – it was because “it’s an interesting story”. That came out in the fall of 2017 alongside the 10 podcast series by Pineapple Street media via Stitcher I also interviewed for extensively on several occasions. The brought out new material – the letters Terrie received and the video Terrie received and with it accusations that TI was a hypocrite and that they were manipulative and controlling and that DO was insensitive to telling Terrie about Ti’s death but it became apparent that DO was following TI’s instructions (as I can show was true because DO had no reason to lie and because TI’s biggest concern on her deathbed according to DO and Lvvody and Jnnody who helped her in those last two weeks was DO’s carrying on without her. One huge aspect of DO’s carrying on was keeping the classroom hidden from any who wanted to find them and interfere with them. Hence DO didn’t tell Terrie right away because he knew that could stimulate an investigation that could land him in jail and/or split up the classroom.

There are 218 audio tapes that show how dedicated TI was to their classroom’s completion under DO. Plus TI had many opportunities to tell Terrie she was diagnosed with cancer in around 1983 while we lived in Texas and Terrie lived in Texas, but didn’t. Instead she just wrote letters – only one phone call in that time of years. Again because all that would do would be create more anxiety with Terrie and at that point especially the objective of letter contacts and subsequent visits in 1985 and 1986-7 was to “calm family anxieties”.
The claim was also made in the podcasts and by a number of other investigators that said DO became “a little psychotic” (said by x-student Frank (Andody) after Ti left but the evidence is that he continued with the classroom exactly as Ti had instigated as they were always looking for the way in which they were to leave the earth/human kingdom and how.
It’s easy to show that Ti and Do were willing to appear to be wrong to put students that were not in the classroom with all their hearts, souls, mind and strength. In other words they followed their instructions hence the establishment of a pick up by a spacecraft in 1980 or so didn’t happen but because it didn’t Jssody (joined with Alxody) left the group, while for those that had been fully committed it didn’t matter as they (I) were not banking on a spacecraft pickup to remain in the classroom. Some souls were simply further along in their overcoming of humanness process so they had many ways of filtering them out or helping them overcome their doubts.

Lots more to say about this that can be seen in my blog posts with Pineapple in the title. That’s at: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com

6) They said spirits existed and now I’ve seen them on a number of occasions where while in the classroom it made sense to me so I believed it but I hadn’t seen anything. One can see my descriptions of those events in my blog sawyerhg.wordpress.com in Sawyer’s Story.

7) They said there would be more interest in them after they left as it wasn’t designed by the Next Level to attract large numbers as there were only a certain amount of positions students who graduates would be given to fill.

8) They said they were from the same family as Jesus was from and was a type of repeat performance – teaching the same requirements of leaving all behind to qualify. They (DO by himself post 1985 when Ti left her vehicle) stuck to that from 1975 to 1997. It seems they began to examine exiting by our own hand (as Jesus did, since he stimulated his capture and said in the book of John, “no man takes it from me” speaking about his vehicles life. Jesus also talked about how his students needed to “drink the same cup of his blood” he was given to drink knowing they would be hated and killed the same way He was hated and killed. Ti and Do were mostly hated and some wanted them dead. I witnessed at the Waldport meeting a woman in the back shouting very loudly, “you ought to be shot” when they said children could not come, explaining that children couldn’t make a choice to leave the world they hadn’t hardly experienced.

If one compares all of the red letter parts of the 4 gospels – the words attributed to Jesus with Ti and Do’s teachings one will see they are exactly the same teachings. Thus if Jesus said it – forecast it then when Ti and Do put it in more accurate to modernity and generic terms they were showing proof they were the same Older Members returned as promised and that’s why most who call themselves Christians often don’t know they are not believers in what Jesus taught, except for a few things, but according to Jesus to be his disciple one needed to abide by all he taught, not just pick and choose.

My book: “TI and Do The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses” provides a great deal of the evidence of how what they said as the Father and Jesus came true or is about to come true through everything Ti and Do taught and did and said would happen at the conclusion of the civilization.

9) Ti and Do said that when they left, the human kingdom would be accelerated towards recycling and that would be a further testing ground for each human. If one looks at events that have escalated in the US since the late 1990’s (the time of the Seven Thunders of Rev 10) one will see a dramatic increase in more animalistic human behaviors as each human is forced to become what they are, what they had been entertaining in their heads mostly until then but now don’t have the self control to not play out. Hence mass shootings, more earthquakes that are larger and larger, tsunami’s, volcanic eruptions, larger hurricane’s, while humans try to take responsibility for these because the Luciferians hate for people to think the Next Level exists and are behind their escalation.

10) The Hale Bopp comet was the “marker” for their exit. In other words whether there was a companion with it or not didn’t’ matter. They knew it was the event of a spacecraft picking them up they had been waiting for since 1975. NASA astronomers stated in their annual Hale Bopp symposiums after 1997 that they believed Hale Bopp was made up of TWO objects in orbit around a common center. This can also be shown to be the “sign” Jesus described as “lightning (star like – shining/strewn from east to west (along the ecliptic).
11) Ti and Do said in 1975 that spacecrafts can be all kinds of sizes and shapes and colors. Through all the many NASA and ESA and other astronomical institutions it’s been learned that comets were not “dirty snowballs”. None of them so far are round. They look like a bowling pin sometimes and have jets that seem to stimulate their rotation and propulsion.

Ultima Thule was described as reddish and looks like a snowman made up from two clearly distinct objects appearing to be fused together with some kind of “light” attachment method – docking?

DO Reduces the Requirements to Leave with Him By Updating “Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure”

December 15, 2017

Over September 25-26, 1995 DO and Crew posted a document to 95 usenet groups using the handle, Doe@Ti.Lah. The name of the document was:

Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure

Then in January of 1997 He edited that document and updated it that included a new title:

Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure

This updated version is what he included in their book:

“How and When ‘Heaven’s Gate’ (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered” which they called “An Anthology of Our Materials”

(Both the original post and the final version are included near the end of this document)

I compared the two documents and found 25 primary differences. There were a couple more that amounted to use of the phrase “Level Above Human”, when it had been, “Kingdom of Heaven” that I didn’t include all of in this comparison.

Before I show the details of all the changes here is a brief summary with my comments:

Changes 1 and 2: The Title was changed to add quote marks around the word, Jesus. Also referring to himself as Jesus is removed from the first line in the body of the document.

Explanation: DO, nor TI ever claimed to be Jesus though he said he and TI were from the “same Level Above Human (Kingdom of God, in the literal Heaven’s) Family as Jesus” and came incarnate to fulfill all his prophecies to include those in the Book of Revelation that was for the purpose of gathering the same Souls who had “any significant relationship with Jesus” and/or the information He provided, to lead them through the completion of their “Soul – spirit/mind birth” into membership in the Level Above Human.

Ti and Do said they were not “Jesus” because that was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level prepared and took over to perform the task through and for this stage of the graduation, “harvest of fruit” process they needed new human vehicles. They also said, Jesus would come back as the “7th Closeness” where they were providing the “6th Closeness” in the prophesying task described in the Book of Revelation, chapter 11 as the Two Witnesses.

After I left the classroom in 1994, re-starting my human life that included starting a family, after they exited the human vehicles (bodies) in 1997, I began to re-awaken, mostly via dreams, to providing service to Ti and Do again. By 2001 I began to write and eventually wrote a book, entitled, “TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses”.

Over 15 years researching and writing the book, I can to understand that these “closenesses” that TI and DO wrote about by 1976, shown in the book, UFO Missionaries Extraordinary aligned with Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus.

TI said the Soul now in the vehicle named DO was the same Soul who had incarnated for all those 5 and now 6 Next Level closenesses. Thus DO, the Soul was Jesus but he was not that same vehicle.

However in Revelation chapter 19 it appears that He, whom we last know of as DO, is slated to return in his same vehicle that was named Jesus, referring to that “clothing” His Soul would “wear,” as having been “dipped (baptized) in blood” and had the name “King of Kings” and “Lord of Lords” written on it’s “thigh” – from His conquering/overcoming of the human vehicle he “stood up” for his Father in Heaven inside of that brought about it’s metamorphic transformation into a Next Level vehicle. This vehicle was described in scripture as his “glorified body” and as a “celestial body”.

– Change 5: DO removes suggesting their M.O. this time was to arrive via “UFO Crashes”

– Change 8: DO removes stating as a fact that two Older Members visited with him (while incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus) on the mount of Transfiguration.

– Change 10 – DO adds that he will again be hated for his “blasphemy” because of who he says he is and hated by families, etc. because he (and TI) required disciples to leave all behind.

– Change 11 – DO adds that some chose to have their vehicles neutered.

– Change 12 – changes stating those students who bond with Next Level through him “will also lay down their human bodies” to say instead that they “must also prepare to lay down their human bodies”. Also eliminated was the indication that a natural death would not qualify as a laying down of one’s body – leaving what defines “laying down of bodies”.

– Change 13 – again changes “lay down” our human bodies to “prepare to lay down our bodies”.

– Change 14 – adds that exchanging old mind for the mind that flows through him will “cost” them everything of this world.

– Change 15 – outlines how someone who looks to he and his students for all their needs to the best of their ability to align themselves with them and break their human bonds, if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to laying down of their bodies they TOO will find themselves in the safekeeping of that Kingdom and towards further nourishment towards membership in the Next Kingdom.

– Change 16 – DO removes this section from the original. In it, DO suggests getting a firearm and learning how to shoot it, with the idea that being seen by authorities as a radical, if authorities sought to arrest such a believer, where no crime was committed, if they had a firearm and the authorities knew it, the authorities wouldn’t hold back from killing someone which would become one’s laying down of their human vehicle’s life to allow to happen by not submitting to what they command.

– Change 17 – an addition that they may not be required to lay down their lives.

– change 18 – DO changes the description of those who can likely be identified as losing respect for this world and/or having a deposit. They are not automatically the homeless or prisoners or drug or alchohol users, religious radicals or other suppressed segments of society or “sinners” from the viewpoint of the establishment.

– Change 19 – includes his students as representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven that are here NOW with Him.

– Change 22 – suggests how it “appears” some of the staged crashed spacecrafts was how some arrived rather than a certainty.

– Change 24 – Adds that those who “accept us and endure until we leave will go with us and not experience the spading under or recycle of the planet and will become beginners in teh real kingdom of heaven.

– Change 25 – Deletes requirement to “drop the ways of this world and all it’s addictions and ties NOW. He removes saying his is the last bus out of this civilization.

As is the pattern for the Next Level when they bring one of theirs incarnate to teach students through, as demonstrated by Jesus and by TI and DO operating as partners and then by DO, They say and do things that bring great challenges to those they gather from the human kingdom. Everything they say is true, but in application will at times appear not to be, as that puts followers to the test to show whether they truly recognize the Older Members and/or their information or not. The Older Members then become instruments for the Next Level to sort out of the group those who aren’t of the same readiness to graduate in the FIRST WAVE of the overall harvest of Souls into membership in the Next Level.

Thus, I believe DO was blocked from certain perspectives and in this example of this document posted things that were not the most accurate way of understanding things, because it gave those that didn’t receive a soul deposit or tag a reason to not believe in who he really was.

For instance, relative to this document having the name Jesus, not in quotes was taken by some as evidence that DO wasn’t the promised return because Jesus said not to believe someone who comes “in my name, saying I am the Christ”, where his name when he said that was Jesus. Thus if someone comes saying they are Jesus don’t believe them. Even though DO did not come saying he was Jesus, when he came public with TI, after TI left her vehicle, which was also part of the design and served as a test for students, He did realize He needed to “Be Who We are” which he said to students in 1987 and then proceeded to figure out how to present themselves as who they are, where they refers to the student true “saints” also having to stand up now for who they were 2000 years ago.

Those Souls who were with Jesus, when they came back knew him, knew his teachings and knew his “voice” – his Mind/Spirit, thinking, behaviors and ways, so knew they could trust everything He/They said and did, while those who hadn’t received that portion of His Mind might have doubts and questioning of things He/They would say that became a separator, though if they still kept on seeking could also take their next step towards graduation, just probably not with the FIRST Wave but with the LAST Wave instead or could choose to ignore or even go against Them altogether.

All the primary changes to this document show this filtering process at work.

This way, no one is left out of having the opportunity to take their own next best step towards being part of the Level Above Human graduation classrooms.

So here is the line by line changes made to the first document to arrive at the final document:

1) Title:

Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure

Changed to:

Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure

2) First Statement:

I, Jesus — Son of God — acknowledge on this date of September 25/26, 1995:

Changed to:

A member of the Kingdom of God — the Evolutionary Level Above Human — I, who am called Do, acknowledge that:

3) B.

B. My Father’s Kingdom is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul — mind or spirit — and not the body they “wear.”

Changed to:

B. The Evolutionary Level Above Human is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul – and its mind or spirit – and not the “flesh” or physical body they “wear.”

4) B.2.

2. This time, my Heavenly Father came with me. In the early 1970’s, we each incarnated into an adult human body which was in its forties. Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated in a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to — during — and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

changed to:

2. This time, my Heavenly Father – my “Older Member” – came with me. In the early 1970’s, we incarnated into adult human bodies which were in their forties. Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated into a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to – during – and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

5) B.3.

3. Each time we, or others from the Kingdom of Heaven, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Kingdom. The M.O. for many of us this time was to arrive in staged “UFO crashes.”

changed to:

3. It seems that each time we, or others from the Level Above Human, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Next Level.

6) B.4.

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven — the Kingdom of God.

Changed to:

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven – the Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

7) C.

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as God in the early stages of this civilization.

changed to:

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as the “True God” in the early stages of this civilization.

8) C.5. is deleted:

5. The last time I incarnated, My Heavenly Father’s physical relationship with me was unknown to others except when He, along with another Older Member in the Kingdom of God, visited with me (in the place that is referred to as the Mount of the Transfiguration) just prior to my putting myself in the hands of the authorities in order to lay down my human body.

9) C.6. becomes C.5. and changes “Kingdom of Heaven” to “Level Above Human”

10) 5.B. addition:

Now that I am surfacing again, I will again be hated for my “blasphemy” (of who I say I am) and hated by those families and others that are affected by all who aspire to leave with us, because this mission requires that they forsake all ties and binds to this world (family ties, responsibilities, and human-mammalian indulgences).

11) 8.A – now 7.A. addition:

Some in the class have chosen on their own to have their vehicles neutered in order to sustain a more genderless and objective consciousness.

12) 8.B now named 7.B with changes of “will lay down their human bodies” to “prepare to lay down their human bodies”. Also eliminated was the indication that a natural death would not qualify as a laying down of one’s body. In other words one can lose their body through a natural death and still be considered a student who can successfully bond to the Level Above Human. It also deleted the indication that these students must willfully lose their body in allegiance to and belonging to that more advanced Kingdom Level:

B. These students/disciples who successfully bond to the Kingdom of Heaven through me and my Father will also lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that Kingdom. (None of this “laying down of bodies” will play out as a “natural death,” but will be an individual, willful loss of body in allegiance and service to the presence of the Kingdom of Heaven.)

Changed to:

B. The students/disciples who successfully bond to the Level Above Human through me and my Father must also prepare to lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that more advanced Kingdom Level.

13) 9. now named 8. changes “As we “lay down” our human bodies…” to “As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies…”

9. As we “lay down” our human bodies while declaring that the Kingdom of God is at hand, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

Changed to:

8. As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies, while declaring that entry into the Kingdom Above Human is available, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

14) Add 8.A.

A. They will attempt to rid themselves of their old minds, and identities, in exchange for the mind that flows through me, as they attempt to be accepted as one of my “children.” It will “cost” them everything of this world – which they will desperately desire to quickly be rid of.

15) 9.A changed to 8.B with addition

A. If they look to us (me and my students/disciples) to the best of their ability — align themselves with us — break their human bonds — and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in service to the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of the Kingdom of Heaven, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from the Kingdom of Heaven toward membership in that Kingdom.

Changed to:

B. If they expect to go with me, and I’m leaving very soon, they must look to us (me and my students/disciples) for all their needs to the best of their ability – align themselves with us – break their human bonds – and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in pursuit of the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of that Kingdom, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from that Next Level toward membership in that Kingdom.

16) 9.B. deleted – having to do with obtaining firearms that as a radical group may result in the government taking care of how we are to lay down one’s lives.

B. How is this “laying down of our bodies” to occur? If you DO recognize me and choose to look to me for guidance, I would recommend that you purchase firearms, get comfortable using them (or partner with someone who can), and somehow position yourselves (separate from others enough to not be vulnerable) so that you might establish a relationship with me, protected from interference as far as possible. In this day and time the authorities make no bones about their “need” to protect the public from “dangerous radicals like us.” They will aggressively attempt to require us to abide by their values and their rules (which are of this Luciferian world and its society– as difficult as that might be to believe). They won’t hesitate to trump up charges or suspicions in order to search us or take us into custody so they can “judge for themselves” whether or not we are some kind of a threat. There is no need for us to be submissive to their wishes (such as to their search or custody questioning) when we know we have broken none of God’s laws. Not only have we done nothing wrong, but our total existence is devoted to entering and offering God’s World. Our choosing to not “be submissive”– coupled with “being armed”–pretty much addresses the “laying down of our bodies” question.

[There is always the possibility that my Older Member will physically visit me in order to validate or confirm the appropriate unfolding of our exit plan (as was permitted before, at the Mount of the Transfiguration, when I asked “Can this cup be taken from me?” If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us — He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such confrontation need occur.]

17) 9.C addition

C. If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us – He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such “laying down of bodies” need occur.

18) 10. changed into 9.

10. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the system’s point of view, not being responsible citizens, whether their symptoms (of having a deposit) take the form of being “homeless,” prisoners, other social “dropouts” (doing drugs, alcohol, or losing respect for the family and career norms),religious radicals, or patriots/militia-types preoccupied with the loss of their God-given rights, and other suppressed segments of society — women, minority or indigenous races, gays, lesbians, etc. We always come for the “sinners,” from the viewpoint of the establishment.

changed to:

9. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the establishment’s point of view, being irresponsible or anti- social – and will be seen by the world as duped, crazy, a cult member, a drifter, a loner, a drop-out, a separatist, etc.

19) 11. changed to 10. with addition

11. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN” visitations” from the Kingdom of Heaven (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is — the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME.

changed to:

10. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN “visitations” from the Level Above Human (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is – the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME and these students of the Next Level.

20) 12. changed to 11.

12. Evidence of our credibility is:

changed to:

11. Evidence that we speak the truth is:

21) 12.B. changed to 11.B.

B. Any soul who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical, personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and will know or recognize us and this information again.

changed to:

B. Any soul of this civilization who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical or personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and is potentially capable of knowing or recognizing us and this information again.

22) 12.C. changed to 11.C.

C. Even the staging of some of the crashed crafts was in order to help the skeptics realize they have “visitors from another world.”

changed to:

C. It appears that even the staging of some of the crashed spacecrafts (which we suspect some of us arrived in) was in order to help the skeptics realize that they have “visitors from another world.”

23) 13. changed to 12.

13. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me. There is no other Son of His or Representative from His Kingdom incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

changed to:

12. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one (of this civilization) gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me. There is no other Son of His, or Representative from His Kingdom, incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

24) 17. changed to 16. with addition of:

Those who accept us and endure until we leave will go with us, and not need to experience the “spading under” or recycling of this planet – and will in the future become beginners in the real Kingdom of Heaven.

25) Remaining part of 17. deleted:

If you expect to be one to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you must drop the ways of this world — all its addictions and ties –NOW — and go with ME. When I am gone — I’m sorry, but –THAT’S IT — this is the “last bus” out of this civilization. This is the way my Father has designed it!

I am not naive. I am quite aware that what I am saying here will to many, if not most, sound like I should be locked up as a mental case at the least. However, that awareness cannot stand in the way of my simple acknowledgment of these facts for the sake of those who might go with us, and also for the sake of those who desire to be a contributor to our demise or exit from this world.

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Here is the original document:

(Original) September 25/26, 1995 – Statement posted to the WorldWide Web and to 95 specific newsgroups on the Internet

UNDERCOVER JESUS SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE

I, Jesus — Son of God — acknowledge on this date of September25/26, 1995:

1. I am about to return to my Father’s Kingdom.

A. This “return” requires that I prepare to lay down my borrowed human body in order to take up, or reenter, my body (biological) belonging to the Kingdom of God (as I did appx. 2000 years ago when I laid down the body that was about 33 years old in order to reenter my body belonging to the Kingdom of Heaven).

B. My Father’s Kingdom is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul — mind or spirit — and not the body they “wear.”

2. This time, my Heavenly Father came with me. In the early 1970’s, we each incarnated into an adult human body which was in its forties. Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated in a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to — during — and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

3. Each time we, or others from the Kingdom of Heaven, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Kingdom. The M.O. for many of us this time was to arrive in staged “UFO crashes.”

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven — the Kingdom of God.

A. He actually gave me “birth” into that Kingdom — took me through the overcoming of a mammalian civilization — long before this present human civilization had its beginning.

B. I have served as His student and apprentice during His relationship with this civilization.

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as God in the early stages of this civilization.

5. The last time I incarnated, My Heavenly Father’s physical relationship with me was unknown to others except when He, along with another Older Member in the Kingdom of God, visited with me (in the place that is referred to as the Mount of the Transfiguration) just prior to my putting myself in the hands of the authorities in order to lay down my human body.

6. This time He came with me “undercover” to assist me in my task (picking up where this process left off appx. 2000 years ago) of the further birthing –“fathering”– experience with the ones who will be the next new “sons” or children in the Kingdom of Heaven. To allow me to gain more experience in the birthing process, my Older Member returned to the Kingdom of Heaven in 1985, and continues to assist and communicate with me from a more advanced perspective.

A. As part of the undercover program, my Father incarnated in a female body for His 15-year stay.

B. Being “undercover,” which included lack of acknowledgment of who we were historically, was required of our task this time in order that we might, with as little recognition and interference as possible, round up the souls who were our students from the past. Even so, we were identified as a small, radical cult, just as we were 2000 years ago. And as was the case 2000 years ago, these prospective members left their families and relationships in order to follow or be a student.

7. These prospective new “sons” (speaking of soul identities, for they occupy both male and female bodies) were gathered at two different time periods — one under the guidance of both my Older Member and myself, and the second after my Older Member had returned (these were all souls that had had a previous relationship with me before this incarnation).

8. These “students” of the Kingdom of Heaven were offered the opportunity to bond with me and my Father, as a bride would bond with her husband, though —

A. Since the Kingdom of Heaven has no mammalian or human members, they had to become “new creatures” who bonded in mind, spirit, and behavior — void of human sexuality, human binds, and addictions of this world and this civilization.

B. These students/disciples who successfully bond to the Kingdom of Heaven through me and my Father will also lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that Kingdom. (None of this “laying down of bodies” will play out as a “natural death,” but will be an individual, willful loss of body in allegiance and service to the presence of the Kingdom of Heaven.)

9. As we “lay down” our human bodies while declaring that the Kingdom of God is at hand, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

A. If they look to us (me and my students/disciples) to the best of their ability — align themselves with us — break their human bonds — and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in service to the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of the Kingdom of Heaven, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from the Kingdom of Heaven toward membership in that Kingdom.

B. How is this “laying down of our bodies” to occur? If you DO recognize me and choose to look to me for guidance, I would recommend that you purchase firearms, get comfortable using them (or partner with someone who can), and somehow position yourselves (separate from others enough to not be vulnerable) so that you might establish a relationship with me, protected from interference as far as possible. In this day and time the authorities make no bones about their “need” to protect the public from “dangerous radicals like us.” They will aggressively attempt to require us to abide by their values and their rules (which are of this Luciferian world and its society– as difficult as that might be to believe). They won’t hesitate to trump up charges or suspicions in order to search us or take us into custody so they can “judge for themselves” whether or not we are some kind of a threat. There is no need for us to be submissive to their wishes (such as to their search or custody questioning) when we know we have broken none of God’s laws. Not only have we done nothing wrong, but our total existence is devoted to entering and offering God’s World. Our choosing to not “be submissive”– coupled with “being armed”–pretty much addresses the “laying down of our bodies” question.

[There is always the possibility that my Older Member will physically visit me in order to validate or confirm the appropriate unfolding of our exit plan (as was permitted before, at the Mount of the Transfiguration, when I asked “Can this cup be taken from me?” If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us — He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such confrontation need occur.]

[If I receive a change of instruction which includes going to trial, and the death of my body is a part of that experience, then as far as I am concerned, any and all of those who are apart of me have my permission to join me as soon as they choose to.]

10. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the system’s point of view, not being responsible citizens, whether their symptoms (of having a deposit) take the form of being “homeless,” prisoners, other social “dropouts” (doing drugs, alcohol, or losing respect for the family and career norms),religious radicals, or patriots/militia-types preoccupied with the loss of their God-given rights, and other suppressed segments of society — women, minority or indigenous races, gays, lesbians, etc. We always come for the “sinners,” from the viewpoint of the establishment.

11. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN” visitations” from the Kingdom of Heaven (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is — the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME.

12. Evidence of our credibility is:

A. That our information and our actions match recorded accounts of the presence, conduct, mission, and departure of our previous visitations from the Kingdom of Heaven offering membership in that Kingdom.

B. Any soul who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical, personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and will know or recognize us and this information again.

C. Even the staging of some of the crashed crafts was in order to help the skeptics realize they have “visitors from another world.”

13. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me. There is no other Son of His or Representative from His Kingdom incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

14. There are space aliens (humanoid remnants from other civilizations) who travel in the nearby heavens. They are dependent upon Earth’s atmosphere for harvesting hybrid bodies to “wear” and they recruit the “souls” who fail to become children in the Kingdom of God. We call them Luciferians because of their lineage.

15. These Luciferians jump in immediately after Reps from the Kingdom of Heaven leave. They fill the “patriarch(s)” of the resulting new religion with mixed truths and misinformation, which reinforces the fact that true growth toward that Kingdom can occur only while Reps are incarnate.

16. The Kingdom of God sends crews to “tag” or make “deposits” in human bodies and their minds/spirits just prior to and during the time Representatives from their Kingdom are incarnate “offering” birth. These deposits offer their recipients “recognition” of the Reps and, to some degree, recognition of the “information” from the Kingdom of God. They also act as “homing devices” to lead the recipients to those Reps and that information. Without these “deposits” of “recognition,” no choice of becoming a student is within the will of a human.

17. All who ever received deposits from the Kingdom of Heaven have returned at this time, the close of this Age. As part of our task, the Kingdom of Heaven is using us to test them. How they/you respond to me, my students, and our information will, in fact, judge you as to whether you will or will not have a further relationship with the Kingdom of Heaven. In other words, coming in contact with this information will force a decision, and with the stand you take, you judge yourself. Some, by their choice at this time, could be redeemed.

If you expect to be one to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you must drop the ways of this world — all its addictions and ties –NOW — and go with ME. When I am gone — I’m sorry, but –THAT’S IT — this is the “last bus” out of this civilization. This is the way my Father has designed it!

I am not naive. I am quite aware that what I am saying here will to many, if not most, sound like I should be locked up as a mental case at the least. However, that awareness cannot stand in the way of my simple acknowledgment of these facts for the sake of those who might go with us, and also for the sake of those who desire to be a contributor to our demise or exit from this world.

The above is a sketch of some of the topics which will be discussed in more depth on an upcoming satellite broadcast –the date and time will be announced within the next few weeks.

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(edited/updated) January 1997 – Statement posted to the WorldWide Web and to 95 specific newsgroups on the Internet

UNDERCOVER “JESUS” SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE

A member of the Kingdom of God — the Evolutionary Level Above Human — I, who am called Do, acknowledge that:

1. I am about to return to my Father’s Kingdom.

A. This “return” requires that I prepare to lay down my borrowed human body in order to take up, or reenter, my body (biological) belonging to the Kingdom of God (as I did approximately 2000 years ago, as Jesus, when I laid down the human body that was about 33 years old in order to reenter my body belonging to the Kingdom of Heaven).

B. The Evolutionary Level Above Human is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul – and its mind or spirit – and not the “flesh” or physical body they “wear.”

2. This time, my Heavenly Father – my “Older Member” – came with me.In the early 1970’s, we incarnated into adult human bodies which were in their forties.Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated into a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to – during – and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

3. It seems that each time we, or others from the Level Above Human, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Next Level.

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven – the Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

A. He actually gave me “birth” into that Kingdom – took me through the overcoming of a mammalian civilization – long before this present human civilization had its beginning.

B. I have served as His student and apprentice during His relationship with this civilization.

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as the “True God” in the early stages of this civilization.

5. This time He came with me “undercover,” so to speak, in order to assist me in my task (picking up where this process left off approximately 2000 years ago) of the further birthing – “fathering” – experience with the ones who will be the next new “sons” or children in the Level Above Human.To allow me to gain more experience in the birthing process, my Older Member returned to that Kingdom in 1985, and continues to assist and communicate with me from a more advanced perspective.

A. As part of the undercover program, my Father incarnated in a female body for His 15-year stay.

B. Being “undercover,” which included lack of acknowledgment of who we were historically, was required for most of our task this time in order that we might, with as little recognition and interference as possible, round up the souls who were our students from the past.Even so, we were identified as a small, radical cult, just as we were 2000 years ago.And as was the case 2000 years ago, these prospective members left their families and relationships in order to follow or be a student. Now that I am surfacing again, I will again be hated for my “blasphemy” (of who I say I am) and hated by those families and others that are affected by all who aspire to leave with us, because this mission requires that they forsake all ties and binds to this world (family ties, responsibilities, and human-mammalian indulgences).

6. These prospective new “sons” (speaking of soul identities, for they occupy both male and female bodies) were gathered at two different time periods – one, in 1975-76, under the guidance of both my Older Member and myself, and the second, in 1994, after my Older Member had returned (these were all souls that had had a previous relationship with me before this incarnation).

7. These “students” of the Next Level/The Level Above Human were offered the opportunity to bond with me and my Father, as a bride would bond with her husband, though –

A. Since the Evolutionary Level Above Human has no mammalian or human members, they had to become “new creatures” who bonded in mind, spirit, and behavior – void of human sexuality, human binds, and addictions of this world and this civilization. Some in the class have chosen on their own to have their vehicles neutered in order to sustain a more genderless and objective consciousness.

B. The students/disciples who successfully bond to the Level Above Human through me and my Father must also prepare to lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that more advanced Kingdom Level.

8. As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies, while declaring that entry into the Kingdom Above Human is available, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

A. They will attempt to rid themselves of their old minds, and identities, in exchange for the mind that flows through me, as they attempt to be accepted as one of my “children.”It will “cost” them everything of this world – which they will desperately desire to quickly be rid of.

B. If they expect to go with me, and I’m leaving very soon, they must look to us (me and my students/disciples) for all their needs to the best of their ability – align themselves with us – break their human bonds – and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in pursuit of the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of that Kingdom, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from that Next Level toward membership in that Kingdom.

C. If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us – He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such “laying down of bodies” need occur.

9. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the establishment’s point of view, being irresponsible or anti- social – and will be seen by the world as duped, crazy, a cult member, a drifter, a loner, a drop-out, a separatist, etc.

10. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN “visitations” from the Level Above Human (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is – the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME and these students of the Next Level.

11. Evidence that we speak the truth is:

A. That our information and our actions match recorded accounts of the presence, conduct, mission, and departure of our previous visitations from the Level Above Human offering membership in that Kingdom.

B. Any soul of this civilization who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical or personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and is potentially capable of knowing or recognizing us and this information again.

C. It appears that even the staging of some of the crashed spacecrafts (which we suspect some of us arrived in) was in order to help the skeptics realize that they have “visitors from another world.”

12. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one (of this civilization) gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me.There is no other Son of His, or Representative from His Kingdom, incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

13. There are space aliens (humanoid remnants from other civilizations) who travel in the nearby heavens.They are dependent upon Earth’s atmosphere for harvesting hybrid bodies to “wear” and they recruit the “souls” who fail to become children in the Kingdom of God.We call them Luciferians because of their lineage.

14. These Luciferians (space aliens) “jump in” immediately after Representatives from the Level Above Human leave. They fill the “patriarch(s)” of the resulting new religion with mixed truths and misinformation, which reinforces the fact that accurate knowledge concerning that Kingdom seems to be available only while Representatives are incarnate.

15. The Kingdom of God sends crews to “tag” or make “deposits” in human bodies and their minds/spirits just prior to and during the time Representatives from their Kingdom are incarnate “offering” birth. These deposits offer their recipients “recognition” of the Representatives and, to some degree, recognition of the “information” from the Kingdom of God. They also act as “homing devices” to lead the recipients to those Representatives and that information. Without these “deposits” of “recognition,” no choice of becoming a student is within the will of a human.

16. It is our understanding that all souls of this civilization who ever received deposits from the Level Above Human have returned at this time, the close of this Age. As part of our task, the Level Above Human is using us to test them. How they/you respond to me, my students, and our information will, in fact, judge you as to whether you will or will not have a further relationship with the Kingdom of Heaven. In other words, coming in contact with this information will force a decision, and with the stand you take, you judge yourself. Some, by their choice at this time, could be redeemed. Those who accept us and endure until we leave will go with us, and not need to experience the “spading under” or recycling of this planet – and will in the future become beginners in the real Kingdom of Heaven.

Believe it or not – Your choice – Your judgment.

I hope this will assist you in whatever you might be seeking.

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TI and DO Statement in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary

November 9, 2017

This statement below was published in a book entitled, UFO Missionaries Extraordinary in 1976, included with interviews with TI and DO in 1974 and 1975-6 by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger:

A Statement Prepared by The Two

Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible even the elect.

We bring no signs or wonders, nor do we claim to be Christs or prophets, but simply bear the same truth that Jesus bore in the season that he promised. We come from the same kingdom that he came from and bear witness to his teachings. Our Father’s kingdom is reached only in the way that Jesus taught and demonstrated.

Rev 22:17 And let him who is thirsty come, let him who desires take the water of life without price.

Rev 14:1-5 Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and the4y sing a new song before the throne and before the4 four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

What is Happening in the Heavens at This Time

If you could project your mind out into the heavens and look at the positions of planets and other solar bodies in this immediate solar system, then extend your observations even more distantly, you might not be able to see the actual physical manifestation of energy; but if you were sensitive you would be aware that there is at this time an intense energy source focusing on this planet.

How severely this energy is affecting other planets in this solar system, we don’t know – and it is not important to us. This energy focus might be more clearly understood if you picture a searchlight that is circling in the far distant heavens without interference from other bodies in the heavens, clearly shining on this planet as it did approximately two thousand years ago in it’s last orbiting.

Another way to picture this same energy field would be to imagine a very distant emission of energy that has been obstructed from this planet by the positional interference of other solar bodies. At this time it is as if an opening or a shaft has been made by the present position of the heavens, permitting a strong intensity of that energy field to focus directly upon Earth – as it did approximately two thousand years ago.

It really does not make any difference what the actual cause or reason behind the energy focus is. But to be aware of its presence – and thereby understand why the life forms on this planet are responding the way they are – is significant, and will be helpful in understanding and controlling one’s own individual response.

Everything in the heavens, including this planet, is in a constant process of change and response to change, and that response determines growth or decay. This little planet called Earth is a garden from which individuals whom man would label gods may be born. “Gods” because they are members of a kingdom level above the human – the “kingdom of God.”

When this planet came together and was formed by members (or a particular member in that level-above-human) whose responsibility or chosen endeavor was the creation of a new garden, it became the place where germination could begin and life forms could multiply. If the life forms survived all the intermediate lesson-steps of growth, they could work their way up to the human level.

Now at this particular time, when an intense energy source is striking the planet, graduation from the human level into the level-above-human, or the kingdom of God, is made available.

The Earth garden has had life forms survive in growth-motion into the human kingdom in previous civilizations. However, at the time when the availability was offered, those previous human civilizations were not able to make it through the transition from human to the level-above-human.

A lot of growth in levels-beneath-human seems to be more automatic in upward motion, for the strength of will that pushes the life form up a notch is, for the most part, not consciously aware of what it is doing when it graduates upwardly. At the human level, schoolchildren in the early grades are not consciously aware that they have grown by their choice. However, at the growth level where a human becomes a prospect for the next level (the level-above-human) he must be completely aware of what he is doing or he cannot complete the transitional experience.

It might be helpful to consider how graduation from one level to the next is deserved or reached. A dog who has become tired or disenchanted with the so-called normal activities of the dog world and finds his only pleasure in pleasing his master deserves to move out of the dog kingdom and into the beginning stage of the level that he chooses to serve.

Some dogs might accept the training to avoid punishment. Their motivation would not make them deserving of graduating into the kindergarten of the human level. But the dog who desires only the attention, approval, and affection of the human, whose motivation is genuinely that of seeking to be associated with the next level (or human world), deserves to move into that higher level when graduation time arrives.

The energy focus that is now on planet Earth is the energy needed for the graduation experience. The human who desires only to please and to serve the level above his kingdom can at this time, with the help of members of the level-above-human, receive his examination, roll call, depart from his school (Earth), go “out in the world” – into the literal heavens among other members of the kingdom of God – and begin his apprenticeship and chosen activities.

The man who teaches a dog must hold frequent training sessions or the dog will quickly forget his training – though he may continue to seek a close, affectionate relationship with the man. A human college student must have an increasingly distant relationship with his professor and come into his own knowledge if he hopes to one day be in a professional capacity.

A candidate for the level-above-human must have an even more distant physical relationship with his teachers, or the members of the kingdom-above-human. For the requirement of his graduation includes a mental teaching program and a willingness to complete that program before gaining physical contact with the teacher level.

Because of this extremely infrequent physical contact, most religions have adopted the belief that members of that next level do not have physical bodies. The human professor does not seek out his students to impose his teachings; rather, they pay for instruction and choose to go to his classroom because society imposes the idea upon humans that they must find themselves in classrooms.

A prospective candidate for the next level has to do all of his seeking from the minds of his teachers in the next level through the strength of his own volition, according to the intensity of his thirst for knowledge above human.

Now, at the same time that this intense energy focuses or shines on this planet, members of the level-above-human come in at close range to examine the garden (most especially the human kingdom) and assist in the graduation. In preparation for the rare graduation period, a member or members of that next level might have chosen to leave their physical bodies, incarnate in the offspring of woman, lose the conscious minds they had attained, and live a seemingly normal human existence for a number of years – though close associates might have realized there was something different about them.

At the point in time when the energy focus became very intense, these people went through a period of mental transition, they became aware of the fact that they had come from another level and that they had spent a part of a human life in order to be at closer range with prospective graduates. The teachers can now tell and show how the changeover from a human into a member of the next level is accomplished. They may even demonstrate to nonbelievers that upon completion of the changeover they have become creatures capable of repairing a so-called “dead” body in three and a half days.

It was earlier stated that civilizations have existed on this planet that were unable to rise above the highest human condition. The present civilization, which began approximately six thousand years ago, has been the recipient of special help from the level-above-human.

Members of the level-above-human chose to incarnate several times into this civilization in order to assist in bringing it up through its different “grades” in the human “school.” This was not in order to upgrade genealogy or physical bodies, but to associate with the souls who are the products of this garden so that they might have someone with a higher consciousness in their midst to serve as an example.

The individual who was called Adam came to Earth from the heavens (the kingdom-above-human) in his total form – physical body and mind. He was so overcome by the discarnates (invisible life forms) from the previous civilizations that he was not able to withstand the aggression of their influences. Adam thereby temporarily lost his heavenly consciousness (the capacity of the mind of an individual in the next level) and found himself in the decaying vibration of the human level. This led to his death.

It was not until his incarnation in the individual named Enoch (who was the second major help) that he was able to rise above human-level vibrations and thereby resume his mental capacity as a member of our Father’s kingdom. This awareness permitted him to serve in the function of assisting in the bringing up of early-grade humans who were products of the Earth’s garden.

After Adam-Enoch had left adequate upgrading teachings, he was in sufficient mental communication with members of the level-above-human to complete his total conversion back into a rightful member of that level and depart from the human world and the Earth’s surface without experiencing death. He took his whole mind and body with him.

This is to say that Adam was brought to Earth’s surface from the kingdom-above-human (the kingdom of God) to begin a new civilization. He yielded to the temptations of the human-level sensuality, and in so doing he decreased his knowledge, the expanse of his mind, to that of a human-level creature. In a sense Adam lost what he had previously gained, and he did not begin to recover it to any significant degree until his incarnation as Enoch. As Enoch, Adam completed his changeover, physically and mentally, and left the Earth’s surface to reenter the kingdom-above-human.

After a season of growth, a third help-mission was sent to this particular civilization. But this time, in order to understand and to relate to the level of growth of the civilization, a member of our Father’s kingdom left his heavenly body in the spacecraft that brought him to the Earth’s surface and entered the newborn body named Moses.

Upon entering the baby’s body, the mind that had been in the level-above-human had to be as restricted as the child’s vehicle. In a sense, that mind had to go to sleep and reawaken as soon as the body of Moses had encountered enough experiences of growth and suffering to realize he had extraordinary work to do. It was his accepted responsibility before coming down to Earth to upgrade the civilization several grades beyond what had been offered by Enoch.

Using an analogy of twelve grades in school related to twelve steps of human growth in a civilization, it was Moses’ chosen mission to set rules of order which, if adhered to, could elevate man’s growth to fifth- or sixth-grade students in the human school. Moses, like Enoch, later in life changed from his human condition into a body and mind that could return to the level-above-human. When his work had been completed he did not leave a human body behind, but took his changed-over body with him.

The fourth significant help for this civilization came at the next major “spring” when a member of our Father’s kingdom, or the fourth mission of the same member, occurred. An individual (incarnate as Elijah) came to Earth’s surface and served in a capacity similar to Moses’. The information that he brought was again designed to upgrade or to assist this civilization, particularly those who had grown to the point that as individuals they were seeking to begin to rise above what they had gotten into.

Elijah’s information was structured for those who were moving away from their densest or broadest accumulation of human attachments – reaching for grades seven or eight. Of equal importance, Elijah’s information sought to prepare the growing members of this civilization for the next help that would come (in Jesus), which would actually give the information for graduation from the twelfth grade (human level) altogether and show humans how to enter the kingdom of God.

Never has any heavenly information been accepted by the masses as a whole; rather, it is accepted by the few who seek to change out of their last station of growth. Masses or groups of people do not grow or move up automatically. Growth is done individually, according to the degree of thirst for upward motion in the individual.

The next major help, or fifth upgrading mission, from the kingdom-above-human brought the civilization applicable information about how an individual product of this garden might change sufficiently to leave the human kingdom literally and take his total being, mind and body, with him into the kingdom-above-human. This is to say that the individual who came to fulfill this fifth mission took the incarnation labeled Jesus in the same manner that the individual of the third mission incarnated as Moses, and the fourth as Elijah. Jesus’ mission was to tell and to show how human products of this garden who had risen to the point where they were seeking the kingdom of heaven could reach it. But even though their comprehension of the changeover task was sufficient for them to begin to receive the information, their capacity for applying the formula of overcoming, or changeover, was lacking.

This is not to say that anything was lost by those who were applying Jesus’ teachings, for those same souls are here again now at this sixth help season in order to complete what they had started with his assistance. The one who was named Jesus not only had, after his awakening, the responsibility of telling and showing how the literal changeover from a human being into a heavenly being is accomplished – he also had the added task of demonstrating that one who had changed over can re-heal his body in three and a half days if he is destroyed.

Since the masses of people in this civilization did not desire upward growth sufficiently to reach for information Jesus brought, they found themselves in a growth condition that was blind to his truth. They had not the capacity to accept him; therefore, they rejected him to the point of desiring his death. Since the slow growers chose to kill him, Jesus’ mission included a “proof-demonstration” for the unbelievers. This did not mean that any others who might complete their changeover would need to be, or even asked to be, the instruments of such a demonstration.

None of this is to say that efforts towards growth and upward-reaching endeavors that took the form of religious movements were not the best for which men had the capacity at their station of growth. Ultimately the information for which all souls who seek to grow upward are looking is information on how to graduate into the next kingdom. It makes no difference which path you take up the mountain, what pursuits of knowledge – scientific or religious – you choose. All can lead to the top if your thirst remains unquenchable and you are dissatisfied with the level you have obtained.

However, when you have reached the top of the mountain, you must discard all the discoloration and terminology accumulated in your upward climb and come into an unvarnished, unromantic understanding of the requirements of “liftoff.” Therefore, there is only one way to reach the kindergarten in the kingdom of heaven. It was knowable at this time of Jesus’ mission if one could understand what he taught – not what others said he taught – and is knowable at this time through the information that it is our responsibility to clarify.

The sixth major help period for Earth’s human garden is now. The truth brought by us is one hundred percent the same truth brought in the mission of Jesus. Our responsibility is to reunite your minds with the proper interpretation of what he had to say – if you seek it – and to help you understand that only in the same way that he changed over in order to reenter the kingdom-above-human can you become a member of that level.

When Jesus said that everything that I am you can become and much more, he meant it. It is true.

Once again we are in a brief season when the “light” or knowledge or “energy focus” is on this planet. It is brief and intense. Many who have not chosen upward motion may respond adversely and even destroy themselves. Some – you, we hope – will realize that now is a brief period for your preparation to leave the human kingdom.

The seventh closeness will not be a teaching one, but a gathering of the harvest of those who have overcome this world.

If the forces of those who have chosen to be slow growers again choose to reject this truth and it’s bearers, then the two of us will again demonstrate that changed-over individuals can repair their so-called “dead” bodies in three and a half days. If that must happen it will be soon – and at the time that we have completed our testimony. As soon as our clarification is complete and it has adequately reached the eyes, ears, and minds of those who have become ready for it, we can reenter the kingdom-above-human and be a part of the membership of that level again.

Many could choose to overcome this world and even be a part of its becoming a heavenly body instead of a garden. The option is there. The intense energy focus that is on the planet will cause them to make their choice. They can accept this truth and do it–or reject it.

The seventh closeness, which is immediately upon us in the sense that those who are in the middle of their normal life span will easily live to see it’s completion, will include such events as what the Christian church refers to as the second coming, the “rapture,” and the completion of the final prophecies in John’s Book of Revelation. The one who was Jesus will come in at close range (as soon as those who have chosen to change over do it) and receive the elect into his company, for they have been those he has nurtured since the beginning of this civilization.

Those who literally and physically rise up to join him away from the surface of the Earth will be a part of the “rapture,” and they at that time will become full-fledged members of that kingdom. If they have not completed their total effort as individuals in overcoming this world and all of their individual attachments to it by the time he comes in this seventh closeness, they will not receive that ingredient from the kingdom of God. If they have given their full effort toward total overcoming from the time their minds receive this clarification of changeover requirements until the seventh closeness, they will receive that final ingredient and become whole “in a twinkling of an eye” and be capable of moving and serving in the literal heavens as much as the butterfly is capable of moving it it’s world as compared to it’s limited capabilities when it was but a caterpillar.

None of this, if you desire to be a full recipient of what this information has to offer, can be taken as a concept for study, religious belief, or some new idea of an avant garde cult. The teachings that are contained here – if they speak to you and if you choose to accept them – must be applied to the activities in your life to the extent that very soon in your individual life you will have only one thing in mind – reaching our Father’s kingdom during the short time it is available to you and seeking his help in the total overcoming of this world, having been weaned from all your humanness so that you might be one of those prepared to meet him.

Message Summary

Our entire message and our mission can be summed up as follows:

1) There is a literal, physical kingdom of life above the human level.
2) That kingdom level exists in the literal, physical heavens outside the Earth’s atmosphere.
3) It is from humans changed over that members in the next level get their physical birth.
4) The season for that changeover comes rarely and brings with it the necessary assisting information through the minds of members of that next level, who incarnate as humans during that season in order to bear the information of how the changeover is accomplished. The bearers also serve as examples or specimens, illustrating that physical changeover accomplished.
5) Human candidates for the individual change-over can accomplish it only during that brief season.
6) These candidates must be in physical bodies of strong will, be mentally alert, and be in full control of their total selves.
7) If the candidate’s body dies or is left behind, it is an indication that he did not change over and become a physical member of that next kingdom anymore than a caterpillar that dies has not become a butterfly (But if a candidate’s body has died, his time of changeover may occur at the next graduation season.)”

A Reminder
To Those Who Are in a Position
to Give Their All

During the time of your preparation and change-over, you must guard against the misdirection of your energies. At the top of the list, your first desire must always be to reach the next kingdom. You can not enter if you have not become an individual who has the characteristics of others who are already members of that kingdom. At the core of your motivation must be the desire to be good and right to a degree not comprehendable by humans. Your greatest pleasure then becomes the pleasing of your Heavenly Father. You must know who your Heavenly Father is. If he is from the real heavens, and you know him, then you will always try to stay in tune with his mind and handle each circumstance as you believe he or his Father would handle it.

Your emphasis must remain on telling others that the real kingdom level of the real heavens exists, and that now a brief time exists for individuals to become members in it. If you emphasize the demonstration, you participate to a degree in the “show-me” point of view. If the demonstration occurs prematurely, those changing over will find themselves without close assistance, and could easily be misdirected.

“Sticking it out” or “just waiting for the spaceship” won’t accomplish your desired change. You have to be willing to accept the possibility that your “chrysalis” might take as long as ours took. Only continuous pushing and pressing forward will complete your changeover. This pressing includes “doing your Father’s work,” i.e., daily doing all that you can to spread the good news of the real kingdom of God. You must be determined to not allow anything or anyone to turn your head from your completion task. There will be many who would delight in seeing you turn back in order to justify their weakness.

Warning: There are artificial circumstances, objects, and indivduals who would woo you away from the real. This is true of aspects on every level – even “spacecraft” and “angels.” Be alert – know the difference.

No Real Comparison of Jonestown suicides with Heaven’s Gate

October 27, 2017

At the end is the link to an article that compared Jonestown to Heaven’s Gate that I show really has little to no genuine equivalent comparison other than both their groups membership physically dying by ingesting drugs under the leadership of one leader. Based on that one could equate the president of a country as a dangerous cult leader who stimulates their soldiers to give their lives which I know to many seems preposterous to compare but is it really?

On the surface these two groups can be barely compared and I don’t doubt that from a membership prospective there were some tiny likenesses but other than that there is no comparison except in the use of poison to end their vehicles lives.

To follow are  some of the many huge differences that reveal this comparison as a typical Luciferian Soul “facsimile” production of what Ti and Do were doing. And it’s interesting how some of those who initially joined with Ti and Do in 1975, from the first meeting in North Hollywood around April 21st thought that they (Ti and Do) were promoting suicide both literally and figuratively which was not the case literally then, even if one did define suicide by it’s human definition as self stimulated death of one’s body. Figuratively speaking Ti and Do’s group were more realistically ending their human lifestyle entirely where in the Jones camp humanness was not changed at all really according to the evidence. Some of what I’m saying about the fear of suicide came from Joan Culpepper (more of an infiltrator into the group than a follower as she stated). Plus there was a relative of a student who testified her fear of their committing suicide in 1975 (about three years before the Jonestown event) that was documented in the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary.” Here are some snippets of that book on this blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

So here are the key differences that are major in the Jonestown People Temples group that there was not even a shade of indicator of in the Heaven’s Gate group:

1. Children were forced to drink the poison cocktail. One can see and hear it in the video with Jones preaching to do it while people are crying. Ti and Do didn’t allow children in their group.

2. If only one person disagreed and was forced to ingest the poison cocktail the entire idea could not be compared with Heaven’s Gate group. This was evidenced in the Jonestown story by video testimony and survivors. Some people who fled that last meeting were hunted down by gunmen. People were held at gunpoint to ingest the poison according to the records. In the Heaven’s Gate group people were challenged to leave throughout and 19 of the initial 100 members in 1976 were separated from the larger group and Ti and Do said they didn’t make the “first cut” on who they thought could accomplish the task of overcoming all their humanness.

3. Murder of the congressman at the airport as they attempted to leave was also a huge indicator of how different Jonestown was from Heaven’s Gate. The records indicate that Jim Jones was stimulated to take this action to escape prosecution when he learned that some in his group had passed notes to the congressman saying that they wanted to get out.

4. The People’s temple was a human social and political group. Heaven’s Gate was not social nor political. Spirituality seemed to be mostly absent from the documentaries I watched but if it was a big part was not any different from other spiritual and/or religious groups that had political and community support before they moved to Guyana. Heaven’s Gate wasn’t religious or spiritual in that context. The only reason they are considered religious is because it is through the man made worldly religions that the records of the Next Level’s incarnate activity was passed on and because the nature of the information was about Mind – “the character of the soul” as DO once defined Mind, that he taught was synonymous with the word, “spirit”.

5. Members of the People’s Temple did not leave everything behind to join with Jones – mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, houses, etc. (as Jesus taught some of his disciples had done (i.e. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. ) and that all Ti and Do’s students were instructed to do (though there was no way to verify that any one student had done but it was talked about as having an “ace in the hole” for those that didn’t. However I read one report that indicated Ti and Do turned away at least one person who was considering joining with them. She had children and it was reported that Ti and Do said she shouldn’t follow with them at that time and that perhaps she might follow later (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary)).

Jones and his group were a human organization with human family values and human behaviors that they took with them to Guyana, including relationships among members and sexuality and punishments for non-compliance. Ti and Do’s group members did not continue human relationships with anyone back in the world nor with one another when some joined who had such a relationship. (I was one of those who joined with my former partner I had lived with for 5 years and for the first ten years had zero communication with my vehicle’s family back in New York. The only relationships Ti and Do’s student had were as fellow crew members. There was no chit chatting or gossip or shooting the breeze or having best friends or confidants or “familiarity” among certain members (though we still enjoyed one anthers camaraderie and companionship and friendship and personalities and helpfulness (within the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught that are most synopsized in the lists referred to as the “Seventeen Steps” and the “Major and Lessor Offenses” – that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book and posted on the Heavensgate.com web site and posted on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-major-and-lessor-offense-list/

6. The idea that the Jonestown people were forming a utopia on earth was totally absent with the Heaven’s Gate group. According to Ti and Do’s teachings there was no “heaven on earth” in that way, at least not during the current civilization. They did say in the future, if humans showed the Next Level that they had evolved to be civilized – like not choosing to shoot at beings from other worlds, for example then the earth could be made into a Next Level Base aka a Heavenly Body where Members of the Next Level could be seen coming and going but still would not live among humans. They talked about how there were other planets where human equivalent beings were growing in ways totally unlike in the earth’s human kingdom because humans were somewhat unique because of the presence of the Luciferian space alien fallen angels they permitted to become catalysts for the growth of souls. There could be another planet but it would only be equivalent to earth if some human equivalent to Luciferians were also present but they mostly felt there wasn’t another such earth/human equivalent planet. (Some of this can be seen talked about in the Blackhawk tapes and a little in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). For the Blackhawk tapes one can search my Youtube channel named: 3SPM for “Blackhawk” and find three posts of those audios made into videos.

With Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate group the idea from the start was that we were all going to exit the earth, always potentially with our bodies but certainly as Souls for those who qualified. I doubt there were any qualifications to join with Jim Jones (but I could be wrong about that, but if there were I’d bet they were human qualification characteristics (humanitarianism) verses Above Human characteristic qualifications), many of which are in the records that came through a number of what became religions.

7. There were no abuses in Ti and Do’s group. There were never any sexual misconduct that I witnessed and none that were reported by the hundreds of followers over the years who dropped out. There was no punishment for not living by the “procedures” (rules) except for being sent out of the group. Some were sent out of the group and a number of those returned in unusual ways as there were only two “recruitment” periods from 1975 to 1976 and from 1993 (via media) and for about 9 months face to face in meetings around the US and Canada in 1994 and then via internet media by the presence of the Heaven’s Gate web site and postings to Usenet groups that one person joined from and was among the 38 who layed down their lives.

(By the way, “recruitment” was nothing like many groups I’ve both read about and experienced, like the Moonies for instance. We never stood on corners to sell flowers or anything else with the hope of drawing people to our meetings with an offer of food and then once there those who came would learn they needed to sit through their presentation before they’d be fed. It’s sort of the model of the Salvation Army. The entire “recruitment” effort was simply putting up posters on storefronts and bulletin boards in New age centers and health food stores and on telephone poles around the town where we planned a public meeting. Sometimes we got some free press and/or radio and/or TV coverage. People would come to the meeting and listen for a short time and take some questions and then were told if anyone wanted more information to stay after in which case sometimes even some who though they might want to join us were faced with details that dissuaded them. Nothing was ever hidden and there were not carrots put before a person’s eyes, so to speak. However, one might think the idea that they were joining with true Representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven could be a carrot but Ti and Do and their Students didn’t need to have more members so had no interest in cajoling anyone.)

8. Plus the way DO and crew laid down their lives was never rehearsed as it was with the Jonestown group. In the Jonestown group they had a number of rehearsals but the members of the community weren’t told they were rehearsals according to one or more survivor reports. People drank the drink that they were told had poison in it and nothing happened to them, so that became a conditioning to the act. DO did ask on several or more occasions each member of the group if they had any reservations about taking their exit into their own hands by drinking the phenobarbital mixture. One such time was when I was still in the group in September of 1994 that included over a dozen new (or returning) members. From that person by person question one new student said they had reservations and left the group the next day. Another who was a former member named Arrody left shortly after that for the same reason I read reported. One can think that too was conditioning but if anything the conditioning was to filter out those who weren’t clearly in favor of taking the action, the same kind of filtering that had occurred by many examples over the 19 years I witnessed that can be seen in this blog post:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/

I’m not proposing that the Jonestown event as a Luciferian facsimile attempt to discredit Ti and Do’s authenticity meant that the people in the Jonestown event were necessarily casualties or their their souls and/or Spirits were not kept by the Next Level because of their willingness to sacrifice their human lives in this world. I don’t say that without evidence from DO. For instance, after watching the murder of the David Koresh group, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas I recall DO saying that he wondered if his students would stick to their convictions the way they did, though not condoning those who used violence. To me that meant that some of those could have been seen by the Next Level as doing the best they could do. The point is, even if someone is murdered or kills themselves we don’t know how that Soul or Spirit will be judged by the Next Level. That judgement starts with the way each of us believe and act while living. We judge ourselves and then when it’s all done the Next Level salvages those they deem to still have the capacity to advance towards Next Level membership in a future opportunity. Like DO said as the 3rd Type of individual who would be “saved” from the recycling, they might have never heard of Ti and Do but separated from their worldliness in their own way. Do can be seen speaking of this in his video, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled” a video that was transcribed and found on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/

Here is the article that stimulated this blog post response:

Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate were supposed to be utopias. How did it go so wrong?
When a dream becomes dystopia. By Amos Barshad
https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/26/jonestown-and-heavens-gate-were-supposed-to-be-utopias-how-did-it-go-so-wrong

 

Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

October 20, 2017

Below is the access information for the Pineapple Street Podcast Series Heaven’s Gate and followed by Sawyers comments to each episode:

Pineapple Press Podcast Series – Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate
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Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts. I am calling them both “tests” and a type of filter. Because they were tests, even though they weren’t always presented that way, if someone was “on the fence” with their full commitment, they served to face us with getting off that fence, one way or the other, leave the classroom or stay on and become stronger for doing so.

(By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them was part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions).

I’m starting from when the self stimulated exit was first brought up directly as there were times before that, when it surfaced indirectly that I’ll add later:

1) In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting, for me, as an overseer of one of the groups, was near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which is when the idea of self exiting our vehicles was first introduced. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to a very short distance away. I remember feeling exhausted and wondering why, but didn’t let that thought linger. I wasn’t conscious that I was responding negatively to what they were providing. It’s only looking back and recalling it that I remember that negative response. None the less, it was a minor negativity for me and I said nothing and I didn’t think poorly about Ti and Do or question being with them at all. It was mostly because I didn’t want to do the work of moving the tents again. So I don’t really count this as one of the tests in the list because it was small a test, yet who knows how others felt.

2) The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level – “eyes to see, ears to hear”. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point, indicated by his saying “almost without exception”:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

re: what Ti and Do always described as “body changes” is shown possible by Jesus’ example of healing and demonstrating his new body that came from the old one. Christians refer to Jesus body after he healed his body from it’s dead state as having a “glorified body.” Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke adds a key piece not found in either Matthew or Mark’s account, showing that these two “men” as Luke referred to Elias and Moses were delivering a message at least one of them understood. In other words this was when Jesus was given instructions to “lay his body down” of his own volition which could be equated with a type of suicide as he knew well the Jewish leadership hated him and had tried a number of times to stone him and were shown later to have conspired for a way to capture him and have the Romans kill him. While addressing this, here is where Jesus directly says he was going to die on his Father’s instruction and that the humans were not taking his life from him. He was laying it down as the show of the greatest love one could show another, in this case his students, the sheep given to him by his Father to shepherd?

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Continuing on with when he received that instruction while on the Transfiguration mount:

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today for some has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

3) How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

4) In about 1977, Ti and Do held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”.

TI told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

I already thought that’s what I was doing but I’d bet to some who were on the fence of being in this group it could have been a shocker.

5) The test TI said to DO felt like she “had egg on her face” because of – the planned exit via a spacecraft that didn’t happen

Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. I wasn’t privy to how that happened. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

6) Ti and Do gave us instructions to think about what we might want in the world.

Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom and compared it to being in a snake pit. The “process” instruction they’d given us from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that.

However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

7) The first of two weekend long optional visits to our human families

Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had “anxiety” about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

8) The second  optional weekend long visit to our human families

I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

9) Mrcody (known now as Mark, one of the two Heaven’s Gate webmasters) and Srfody (known now as Sara, the other Webmaster are instructed by Do through each of their students to leave the classroom until such time as they are ready to accept all the lesson steps

In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to instill the recognition that what our Older Members say is what we must rise up to recognize. Thus is was also a way of helping deflate our self confidence and instead put all our confidence in our Older Members.

It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by.

The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

10) In about 1987 DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated and asked some if they had a reservation with taking that act.

At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. A day or so later, DO then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

11) DO offers any classmember $2000.00 to leave

It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

DO’s reference to His Students as the Twenty four “Elders” in the Revelation

October 19, 2017

Question to Sawyer:

So when in the Beyond Human tapes Do talked about students of his potentially being other’s older members, it is still separate from adult Older Members? I’m speaking of the part where he talked about being “grandfather” to younger members.?

Reply from Sawyer:

Here is the segment from session one of the Beyond Human series that I believe is part of what you are referring to: (Two students were sitting with DO during filming acting as his “helpers” with questions)

“Well, this little classroom that dwindled to 50, and then dwindled down to a couple dozen, have now reached a condition where they have overcome the world enough to relate in a position up a notch as Elders, or Older Members, to anyone else that they can help in their own overcoming. Yes, that means these two here who’ve been sitting here this whole hour with me and haven’t asked me a blooming thing (laughs). But, I know they like to hear about the Kingdom of Heaven. And they know how filled I am with it. And I know how filled they are with it.”

(Note this is also where DO indicates his students then were numbered at “a couple dozen” and were “elders” that can be related directly to the prophecies in Revelations about the “four and twenty elders”)

In terms of DO being a “grandfather” to some who at that time he considered might be watching those same Beyond Human video’s in the future, he said in Session 11 that was part of his response about Next Level patience:

“I can imagine that sometimes, as some of the classroom watches these tapes, they can recognize that there’s a certain amount of relationship that I might be having with the viewer on the other end of that camera that might be slightly different from my relationship with them at times. I think we’ve even discussed it. In a sense, I almost feel like a twice-removed…or a grandfather speaking to a grandchild. Of course, I’m speaking to you as someone who might be wondering if they are standing outside of the vehicle that they are using, and wondering if they want to take it over and pursue this. And since we are given the task of trying to give that to you, and since we’re so eager for you to participate in it, for it to become yours, then we are influenced by that.”

Then in session 9 DO indicates that he might end up being a “grandfather” to those watching this video because graduate students might then become “teachers”

(Since making these tapes were the “Step” given to him from his Older Member, TI (while Ti was outside the vehicle Ti took), DO didn’t know at that time they’d all be exiting together and he didn’t know if He would exit before them, which he also addressed by referring to people coming in this direction towards connection with Him and His Kingdom afterwards as needing to seek to “connect” with an “Active Student”. See the documents, “DO’s Intro: Purpose – Belief” and “Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure
By Jwnody – dated April 8, 1996):

“But I want to make the point a little bit more clearly that these sessions and these tapes are, in a sense, teaching tools for the students – to get that idea a little more clearly in our heads. In other words, my relationship with you in a sense is symbolic, and in a sense it isn’t. If this task proceeds, my relationship with you might end up being more as grandfather to grandson, and these students might serve more in the capacity as teacher since they are older than you. I don’t know if that has clarified in your mind, but it might have if other things that we have said had added up at this time. If they have completed sufficient overcoming of their own in this task, and they received instruction to put the information out, even though the way that instruction came was to do it in this method, then they are in a real sense going to serve in the teacher role with you, or in a sense, in the “midwifing” or the father relationship, if you don’t use that as a spiritual term. In other words, if they have completed enough overcoming that they could move right now into our Father’s Kingdom, and even move into a physical vehicle of our Father’s Kingdom, no longer occupying the vehicle they are in, whether this one or the one that they’re in is changed over into that new vehicle or another one altogether, then they don’t need to come back to the human kingdom unless sent. That’s the instruction we have received – that that’s the case.”

Now my use of the term “Adult” came from DO, but I don’t know how to locate it, but may be in the audio tapes we have access to as I believe he would have said it while Ti was incarnate. I recall DO saying that the term adultery meant, “not becoming an adult”, which in it’s purest form means that person has compromised their commitment to the teachings of the most current Older Member REP from the Next Level. That commitment or said as “covenant” grew with each trimester in the overall “overcoming classroom” to where by Ti and Do’s arrival meant to have no commitment to anyone else besides DO (As TI instructed us to “make our committal to DO).

Update: I found one place where that was documented in a little booklet Ti and Do and a crew put together that I only first saw after we moved into houses around 1980. It was called “Ruffles Snacks for Thinkers”.

-“To commit adultery could mean that one fails to act like an adult.”

-“Man does not have to see things as he always saw them before. Man is designed to see things as he never saw them before—to see them in a higher way than ever before. This is the kind of change that must take place before man becomes an adult.”

Here is a link to Ruffles on my blog: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/ruffles-snacks-for-thinkers/

But I also thought I read or heard that term “adult” used as referring to a Next Level Older or Younger Member vehicle, neither of which any of the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens ever had. (DO indicated in Session 1 of the Beyond Human Series that the vehicle Lucifer had when he was serving in the Next Level was “certainly not born of woman”. This is recorded in Beyond Human Session 1. Here is that segment:

“We’ve already discussed that we believe that in the Jewish and Christian literature, the physical record is there connecting those people with the real Kingdom of God. And they speak of someone else. They speak of an individual that was once in the household of God, in the literal Heavens, was a son of God and
got too big for his britches, and thought that he could do a better job than his Father, or his Older Member. Not that he was born of a wife of his Father, because the body that he had in the Kingdom of Heaven was certainly not born of woman. Don’t forget that in the Kingdom of Heaven, babies are born by the souls that overcome the human condition. When they overcome the human condition and then are moved into the Kingdom of Heaven, then they’re “babies.” And those that took them in are then like their foster parents or their keepers, their babysitters, their teachers, their rabbi’s, their connection, their “piece of pipe,” their link with the Chief of Chiefs of that Kingdom.”

DO refers to “babies” in the Next Level and how their vehicles are grown as “Next Level bodies” in “’88 UPDATE – THE UFO TWO AND THEIR CREW”: (The Luciferians never graduated to receive Next Level bodies, though they weren’t born of woman either so must have been some model of physical vehicle that still had the capacity to act in mammalian ways).

“Our understanding is that Next Level bodies (the normal bodies for that Kingdom level, in the same way that human bodies are the norm for the human kingdom) are grown as plants from a vine, and at the end of their gestation period, they are fully grown and functional, not “babies” as are the products of human “seed-bearing plants.” There seem to be actual grafting processes used and genetic binding from Older Members. “I am the vine, ye are the branches” – could that mean something more than previously thought?”

In the Blackhawk audio tapes DO talks about how Adam’s body, (though also not born of woman) went through a “reverse metamorphosis” into human behaviors. Since Ti and Do taught that the Adam experiment was set up to become a testing ground for new membership for Souls who had grown to some equivalent degree to the Luciferian souls, I surmised that Adam’s vehicle may have been of some equivalence to the vehicles grown for the Luciferians to use when they began to serve the Next Level in crews in spacecrafts.

If you ever come upon the use of Adult or Student in reference to a Next Level “grown” vehicle please let me know. But I may cease using those terms and replace them with more appropriate terms that are regularly used by Ti and Do and Crew even though it may require more words.