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Critique of Rolling Stone article “Heaven’s Gate 20 Years Later: 10 Things You Didn’t Know”

March 29, 2017

To follow is my critique of the Rolling Stone 20 year anniversary of Heaven’s Gate “suicides” starting with the link to the article and the text that I commented to as needed:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/03/29/critique-of-rolling-stone-article-heavens-gate-20-years-later-10-things-you-didnt-know

Rolling Stone article:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/heavens-gate-20-years-later-10-things-you-didnt-know-w473560

Heaven’s Gate 20 Years Later: 10 Things You Didn’t Know

From cult members’ eating habits to the sneakers the group wore during its infamous 1997 mass suicide
Heaven’s Gate 20 Years Later: 10 Things You Didn’t Know
By Michael Hafford
3/24/2017

Twenty years after their mass suicide made headlines across the world, Heaven’s Gate is still one of the most notorious cults of the 20th century – not to mention one of the most recognizable. In March 1997, America was shook by the strange story that included mass suicide, wild public-access-style videos, an obsession with U.F.O.s and, in true late-Nineties fashion, tracksuits and matching Nikes. They also had a new recruitment tool: the Internet.

*** Sawyer’s comment:

Evidence reveals the distortion in this statement about the Internet as a new “recruitment tool”. Even though they never “recruited” as has been seen but most, if not all religious and spiritual and secular organizations, there were only two short periods of time when they held public meetings to see if there were any who identified with their information.

1) From April of 1975 which ceased by June of 1976 and
2) January of 1994 (with two test meetings in November of 1993) and lasted until August of 1994.
3) In 1996 they put up their web site, Heavensgate.com and from it two people joined and one soon left.

If recruitment was ever their interest why limit it so and why choose to exit their vehicles after only one “recruit” from the Internet. It was only their interest for two short periods of time primarily and then towards the time of their exit in 1996.

However, since then the Internet has been the primary way for people to learn the truth about Ti and Do and the group since the media has largely not dealt with the truth as their primary interest. This is evidenced by the way Wikipedia pays no attention to what Do wrote unless it was published by someone else who was writing about the group and they were not pro telling the truth about what they said and did.

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Heaven’s Gate has the distinction of being the first well-known American cult of the Internet era, using the new technology to share their beliefs with a wider audience and also to make a living. They derived a large portion of their income from designing web pages. Formed in the Seventies, they had become reclusive by the start of the 1990s and started attempting to recruit members online using the organizational name “Higher Source” for the website.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
They had a number of members of the group who were working in high tech management positions for years that probably made a lot more money than that little business. For instance Nrrody had been the head Technical Writing department manager for Texas Instruments. Mllody had been a Senior level programmer analyst for large banks included Mtech and Hewlet Packard. Others like Stlody was a Certified Network Engineer. I worked with all three of these at one company in California. One of the individuals who worked at their web design company was named Glnody. He got his start when I formed a company with Srrody – a very sharp low level programmer and secured a contract for a consultant in Dallas that maintained Anheiser Busch’s Bakery subsidiary as subcontractors. I gave him and others like Chkody their first programming lessons. Alxody was also a certified Network Engineer.
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Though the web would eventually become central in the organization, the group’s origins were much more grassroots. In the early 1970s, founders Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles – a Texas music teacher and nurse that he met during a stay in a psychiatric institution – renamed themselves Bo and Peep and took a six-month-long road trip across the United States. Around 1974, they assembled a group called “the crew.” For the next two decades, they lived all around Southern California. Thought Nettles died in 1985, Applewhite kept the group together, and when the Internet was introduced to consumers in the early 1990s, they began using the new technology to share their beliefs with a wider audience. The reclusive group also used it to make a living, deriving a large portion of their income from designing web pages.

*** Sawyer’s Comments:
They at first traveled together from 1/1/73 to early April of 1975 when they to their surprise had students so became called Bo and Peep. we as a group were never called “the crew”. We did refer to ourselves as a crew but not as a title. We lived all over the western U.S. but mostly in the southwest from Texas to California and Colorado and Wyoming mostly not all that much time relatively speaking in southern California. There was no Internet we were aware of in the “early 1990’s”. We did upload our Beyond Human tapes to Satellite through Hughs Broadcasting uplink service. Other that we used traditional media when we went public for the second time in the early 1990’s.

re: the big psychiatric hospital misinformation:

I pulled this comment from the Huffington Post article that claimed this psychiatric hospital meeting [2] and also said they “fell in love,” [3] so I included the sections that show how both were not based on any facts but now have become “alternative facts,” even unconsciously creating myth from reality.

Here’s what Do wrote in 88update that I witnessed he and Ti referring to several times:

“In the early 1970’s, two members of the Kingdom of Heaven (or what some might call two aliens from space) incarnated into two unsuspecting humans in Houston, a registered nurse and a college music professor who were in their forties. The nurse and the professor hadn’t previously known each other and had completely separate lives. The registered nurse was happily married with four children, worked in the nursery of a local hospital [2 – what kind of psychiatric hospital has a “nursery?”], and enjoyed a small astrology practice. The music professor, a divorcee who had lived with a male friend for some years, was contentedly involved in cultural and academic activities.

For about a year before they met, their lives seemed to encounter severe upheaval and personal confusion, later recognized as the human body’s response to the entry of the minds from what “the two” referred to as the “Next Level,” or the physical level above human. About nine months after they first met, they left Houston because their lives, which were crumbling around them, made it impossible to concentrate on what was actually happening to them.

Most of their friends and associates thought the two of them had lost their minds or were being duped into a relationship by the other. The only relationship they shared, certainly having no physical attraction toward each other, was the compulsion to discover what had brought them together and what might be their purpose. They had little in common other than strong personal relationships with their Heavenly Father.” [3 – fell in love”?]

So where did the “psychiatric hospital” idea come in and where was it that they “fell in love” and no mention of “extraterrestrials” though I would give that last point some liberty. Here is yet another view as said by DO live on the video series he started in 1992. By the way I am introduced as Sawyer in the video and my face is shown as with Jwn his two “helpers” in the video:

Beyond Human — The Last Call – Session 1
http://heavensgate.com/book/4-4.htm

10th paragraph:

In the early 70’s, for unknown reasons (and this is just my attempt to explain to you what occurred), for unknown reasons – things we could not understand – my life began to suddenly fall apart.  It had been a very stable life, an acceptable life, certainly one that was considered legitimate and had respect to it in the community, as did Ti’s life. And her life separately began to fall apart.  We did not know each other.  We’d never seen one another that we were aware of – had never met.  Then in the early 70’s, I think around ’72, we met just perchance while I was visiting a sick friend in a hospital where Ti was a nurse.[2 – met in hospital where Ti was a nurse that had a nursery] From that moment, my life changed – changed very significantly. I rebelled.  I didn’t want it to change, and yet I knew it had to change.  And the conflict that was in me was very great.

The same thing was happening with Ti.  She knew she had something to do with me.  I tried to reject that idea. Ti was confused for awhile and wondered, “Well, why do I recognize you, and you don’t recognize me”?  And even though I might have thought I didn’t recognize Ti, I knew that I couldn’t cut it off. And yet here we had separate lives, separate careers, families, involvements in the world, and all of a sudden, just because we met, something was causing us to have to become more involved in spite of our desire not to.  Not involved in a human way.  There was never a coming together in that we were bed partners or involved in a physical relationship. [3 – “fell in love?”] But there was something that compelled us to spend time together and listen to each other, and search together.”

I know reporters went to Houston to talk to people that knew them and no doubt one or more could have said they thought they were having an affair. I know that DO told us that they got a court order against Ti’s vehicles husband (as I don’t know if they had divorced yet by then) because he threatens DO. So it was fertile ground for conjecture but that doesn’t mean they are facts.

Why not believe what Do wrote in several documents at different times years apart and that I heard Ti talk about a decade or so earlier, to confirm as the most accurate account? They would still be considered evil cult leaders even then. What did they have to gain by making up that story. Especially in 1994, why would Do hide the truth from his dedicated 24+ students when they were going to go out on the road again after 17 years in seclusion to “recruit”, (that actually never was as other groups did so, which I provide evidence for)? We held meetings in Dallas, Houston, Addison and Austin that year and DO wasn’t traveling with any of the groups while they went out among the people to put up posters advertising the meetings and looking for free press coverage. I was even part of a multi group effort that did a big story for the Dallas Morning News then in which Ollody’s many paints were shown on television. We visited most every health food store and book store and campus to advertise our meetings. How unlikely would have it been to run into someone that knew of the story about Applewhite and Nettles from 1975. I don’t know if that happened. However in 1975 at Christmas time, having joined 3 months before then, I with my partner who Ti and Do had assigned me several months before then, were out on our own with no connection to a larger group or to Bo and Peep (the names they still used then), hitchhiked (because our car broke down) to Houston where Dandy actually knew some people who we stayed with for a night or two. While there, they had some people over and it just so happens one was a women who told us she knew Applewhite and that he had wandering hands, I think she said. I thought that was a sexual insinuation. I didn’t think she was making it up but nor did it dissuade me or have me question what I was doing. I had been a rogue hippy vagabond musician for years before then, exploring a number of spiritual forms, to which I could never really feel one with, that is until I met Ti and Do and knew I had to give up my instruments and girlfriend and the house I was building in a startup commune in Oregon to follow them. My point is, how did they know what any of us heard about them, even when groups did meetings in 1975-6 in Austin, Brownsville, El Paso, Houston, Nashville, Lubbock and San Marcos? They could have started to tell their stories of how they met, which I only recall in the early 1980’s while living in houses and could have said things that could give a student a hard time believing because of what they heard. Why would they have risked making up a story when they were already hated by people all over the country even without that story and how would their story make it better for them anyway?

Common sense says that their story as told by Do is the most dependable one but seems to be the one most all the media outlets I’ve seen and that’s been many dozens since 1975 avoid like the plague. I can offer an explanation for this but most will have a hard time with it, but it doesn’t matter, the facts stand on their own.

Here is where so many reporters get their “facts”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29
According to Applewhite’s writings, the two met in the psychiatric hospital where she worked during his stay there.[5] The two quickly became close friends.[6] He later recalled that he felt like he had known her for a long time and concluded that they had met in a past life.[7] She told him their meeting had been foretold to her by extraterrestrials, persuading him that he had a divine assignment.[8][9]

(7) Lalich 2004, pp. 44, 48.
(8) Balch & Taylor 2002, p. 210.
(9) Lalich 2004, p. 43.

Do only wrote about this in 88 update and spoke about it in Beyond Human – The Last Call video tape session 1 so perhaps these references refer to one of these documents as the video tapes were transcribed so are available in print.

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The cult’s philosophy took its roots from Applewhite’s Presbyterian upbringing – his father was a minister – and essentially grafted belief in extraterrestrials onto Christian theology. Applewhite told his acolytes that he was the second coming of Jesus Christ, that God was an alien, and that they were living in the end times. They read the Bible, especially, Revelation Chapter 11 in the New Testament, a section about two witnesses that would prophecy. At the end of their prophecy, they would have to battle demons, which Applewhite and Nettles called “the Luciferians.”

**** Sawyer’s comment:
There is no evidence in Ti and Do’s teachings of “Applewhite Presbyterian upbringing” unless you count belief that Jesus and his Father were was from the Kingdom of God. If anything they were contrary to most all the standard Christian belief variances. Their book found at Heavensgate.com and my book at http://www.TIandDOTheFatherandJesusHeavensGateUFOTwoWitnesses are good references for this.

Do never told us he was Jesus Christ. Here’s why. Jesus was the name of the physical body an Older member from the Next Level took to perform his task through. That same body was never scheduled to come back in an incarnate way. Ti and Do said this clearly in 1973, 1975 and thereafter. Lots more evidence available. They did say they were fulfilling what Christians called the Second Coming. Ti nor Do ever said God was an alien. Do did write that some humans might see members of the Next Level as aliens.

The Bible was never a source of lesson material for the classrooms Overcoming process. In the 1990’s it was referenced more because that was when Do felt we needed to be “who we are” (1987) which meant say we were the return of the same Souls who were in Jesus and his disciples, (which Jesus actually taught would be returning and completing their “spirit birth” by having a “water birth” where spirit was compared to the invisible but physical wind and “water” was compared to the human kingdom’s flesh basis. Ti and Do said this was not reincarnation the way it’s described by most eastern religions.

We never as a classroom from 1975 to 1994 ever sat down to read Revelations chapter 11 about the Two Witnesses. Do writes about when He and Ti recognized that was the prophecy they were fulfilling not liking the idea.

Here is what Do wrote about that in 88Update:

“Their real or more in-depth awakening occurred over several months
while camping on the Rogue River near Gold Beach, Oregon.  While there
they came to believe that they were the Two Witnesses mentioned in the
Book of Revelations.  This was extremely difficult for them to accept,
for they were both the type who were “turned off” by people who
thought they were reincarnations of Cleopatra, or some Egyptian king
or Biblical character.  To have to believe that they were assuming a
role that would have caused them to “run the other way” had they seen
someone else assume it, was more than hard to digest.

In spite of that difficulty, they felt that they really had no
choice but to tell the world what the real Kingdom of Heaven was – a
physical evolutionary level, instead of some mystical cloud-and-harp,
spiritual existence as Lucifer has popularly twisted the scripture
quoters to misinterpret.  The term “evolutionary” here does not refer
to the theories presented by Darwin, but to a level of life that can
be entered only after overcoming or rising above the ways of the human
world, and only with the assistance of a Member of the Heavenly
Kingdom.”

I never heard Ti use the term Luciferians but they did acknowledge Lucifer and his associates were working against all but that it was part of the design to have students get stronger to conquer their influence.

Ti and Do didn’t derive what they came to know from the Bible. It only added verification to what they both knew and received individually. It was an uncanny experience watching them work together. Some audio tapes are available.

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But then, in late March 1997, 39 members including Applewhite wearing black track suits and sneakers, ate apple sauce laced with barbiturates and washed it down with vodka. They then put bags over their heads, purple shrouds over their bodies, and laid down to leave their earthly vehicles behind. They weren’t killing themselves, they thought, but freeing their souls from their so they could ascend to a spacecraft flying in the wake of the Hale-Bopp comet – which at that point was passing by Earth – and were going to be taken to their new home in space. Instead, police found their bodies on March 26th, and the images of the white and black Nikes poking out from under a purple cloth would be burned into the eyes of a generation.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
They said it was “irrelevant” whether there was a spacecraft in the wake of the Hale Bopp Comet. They said the Comet served as their “marker” for the timing of their exit.

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Here, 10 things you might not know about the Heaven’s Gate cult and its infamous mass suicide

The cult borrowed a lot of imagery from science fiction
Applewhite and Nettles were huge fans of Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and they brought some sci-fi to the group – resulting in theories like that Mary had been taken aboard a spaceship and impregnated with Jesus. It also led to the members that would eventually kill themselves to wear patches that said “Heaven’s Gate Away Team,” which you can see in the group’s farewell video, a reference the specialized crew that went on missions to alien planets in Star Trek.

*** Sawyer’s comments:
They were not “fans” of Star Wars or Close encounters though they had us see them when they came out and had a little to say about each. They did think Mary was artificially inseminated by the Next Level on a craft to prepare the vehicle named Jesus for his task. I don’t know where that idea first came to them.

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The group also believed that God was an advanced alien traveling in the spaceship in the trail of the Hale-Bopp comet, and that he planned to soon “recycle” the Earth. The group committed suicide so that they could ascend to “The Evolutionary Level Above Human.”

*** Sawyer’s comment:
What humans called Suicide was simply the method to exit their vehicles. Ti and Do always said and even hoped they would leave with their bodies but were prepared for all options. This is part of why it seems they packed travel bags.

God was a term that any adult member of the Next Level would earn by graduating into the Next Level from the human kingdom. They spoke in terms of Older Members and Younger Members of the Next Level and always said it was a “many membered Kingdom” and they used/wore physical bodies they MADE so were not reproduced by mammalian reproduction they had outgrown.

They did say there was a “chief of chiefs” the oldest most experienced member of the Next Level who humans could not understand but if they graduated into the Next Level would begin to understand more about where He came from.

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They made headlines early on
In September 1975, the group visited the small town of Waldport, Oregon, to give a lecture about how U.F.O.s were soon going to make contact with the human race. According to an article in the New York Times, roughly 150 people packed into a motel hall to hear Applewhite’s lecture. At first the town thought it was a joke, but soon, 20 people – or about one in 30 residents of the town – packed up, told their loved ones goodbye, and drove off.

“A score of persons… have disappeared,” Walter Cronkite said on the CBS Evening News. “It’s a mystery whether they’ve been taken on a so-called trip to eternity — or simply been taken.”

They had gone to a meeting of about 400 people in Grand Junction, Colorado, who believed they would be visited by alien beings. The rendezvous never happened, but the congregation did escape with their lives. According to the Times, none of these Oregon residents were among those found in 1997.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
I joined from the Waldport meeting. Do said there were 34 new members from that meeting. Most were not from Waldport where I lived actually.

I  think something got very mixed up with talk of some congregation escaping with their lives. I met them in at the Colorado National Monument after tying up the loose ends of my life in Waldport and we soon left for a Boulder Campround and then up to Poudre River. I didn’t join for a ufo ride. Nor did most of those who became core believers in Ti and Do. They simply recognized Ti and Do somehow and knew this was what they wanted to do. The Student Exit tapes verify this.

Lvvody, Jnnody, Ollody came from the Waldport meeting and I think Ollody was going to school in Eugene.

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Members were devotees of the Master Cleanse.

Aside from abandoning your family and turning over all your money, cult members were asked to cleanse their bodies of the impure influence of things like fast food and impure sexual thoughts. That often involved things like the Master Cleanse, invented in the 1940s by Stanley Burroughs and republished in 1976 in his book The Master Cleanser. Cult member Rio DiAngelo, real name Richard Ford, told Newsweek that the group took it much farther than the diet’s other So-Cal acolytes – they drank nothing but the mix of lemonade, cayenne pepper and maple syrup for three entire months.

*** Sawyer’s comments:
Yes, we used the Master Cleanser several times but were not “devotees” to it.

Fast food was never one of the things Ti and Do ever said we needed to cleanse our bodies from though we seldom had fast food and knew of it’s poor nutritional value. We did eat at Taco Bell by Choice a time or two or if we had to eat fast food we would.

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Originally, the cult promised that members wouldn’t have to die to ascend to a higher plane.
According to the BBC, members were originally told that they would be able to exit their “containers” without resorting to suicide. They told L.A. Weekly in 1994 that they hoped to be beamed up into space, taking their bodies with them into the “Next Level,” as members called their version of the afterlife. In the mid-1980s, when Nettles died of cancer, Applewhite amended his teachings to say that they would be given a new body in the Next Level, so their bodies wouldn’t necessarily go with them. The group acknowledged that death might be necessary if they were to be picked up by the alien spacecraft, but appears to have held out hope that they could do so without dying.

*** Sawyer’s comment:

It’s true at first Ti and Do thought only they would lose their vehicles. They even maintained that possibility to 1997 the reason they carried travel bags incase Ti took them without their needing to die.

Do, (Applewhite, his vehicle) never “amended” He and Ti’s teachings. they always said upon graduation the graduates would be given a new Next Level vehicle. They were not aliens. That is the distortion the Luciferian space alien fallen angels are still trying to brainwash humans to think. Ti and Do were from the Next Level who created everything – all the planets and all the life forms and they allow the space aliens to be here to present their agenda to humans to test humans of to whom to give their allegiance to become like the space aliens (who are human equivalents and can’t even travel into space anymore anyway, the reason they are training humans to do it for them), or to the Next Level.
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The suicides took place over the course of three days.
Though the 39 dead members of the cult were found on Wednesday, March 26th, 1997, coroner’s reports showed that the suicides were far from simultaneous. The members killed themselves starting Sunday using a combination of Phenobarbital, alcohol and hydrocodone, probably consumed with apple sauce or pudding. The members then put plastic bags over their heads and suffocated to death, after which they were covered in shrouds. Applewhite was a late death, but not the last to die.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
There never was a report of their use of Hydrocodone.
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“Labeled ‘The Routine,’ the document outlined a process by which a group of 15 people would kill themselves, assisted by eight other people,” CNN wrote. “Then a second group of 15 would die, also assisted by eight people. Given that 39 victims were found, that would have left a final group of nine.”

Part of the Heaven’s Gate dogma was that everything had to be precisely the same
“Everything was designed to be… an exact duplicate,” surviving member Michael Conyers later said. “You were not to come up with, ‘Well I’m going to make the pancakes this big.’ There was a mixture, a size, how long you cooked it one side, how much the burner was on, how many a person got, how the syrup was poured on it. Everything.” Conyers said that even male members shaved their faces a specific way.

**** Sawyer’s comment:

Everything wasn’t designed to be an exact duplicate but we did thrive on crew mindedness and it put some to the test whether they could conform like it would be in the military. There were lots of procedures on how to do things. We had recipes that Ti and Do wanted to see consistant good results. I don’t recall a procedure on how to pour the syrup on pancakes though we had an amount but one could forego having any syrup or at times uses jelly or just butter. Michael (Rthody) remembers whatever he had the most problems with. For me it was just a routine I didn’t find a problem with enjoying following. What’s wrong with having the burner on a certain setting to heat the griddle to the best temperature to best cook pancakes? I guess he wouldn’t be a very good chef if he didn’t have standards. But of course it was designed to weed out those who really weren’t fitting in as then the smallest things might become the straw that broke the camel’s back. Someone might want to ask Michael why/how he left. Do stimulated the second visit of families and when Michael came back he wanted to leave to be with his human family and then off he went. Had Do wanted to keep everyone in the group why would he and Ti have us visit families. It served as an innocent test of our resolve. That one of the many reasons I know all who stayed to their exit of their vehicles did so because they genuinely knew this was what they wanted to do regardless of whether humans would understand or condone their choice. They were quite in dependant minds compared to humans.

As I recall, Michael asked Do about how he shaved – in which direction he moved the blade. Before that we had no “procedure”. I guess he didn’t like Do’s answer. Had he not asked it would have remained an option. Ti and Do didn’t try to lay out all the options anything could be done. To the contrary they left many details up to us to work out and when we had problems or reached an impasse between students then it became a lesson opportunity as to how we would work out our differences between partners. Often that resulted in a procedure so it was settled but there were always many areas of difference.

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This is a common tactic for cults – if a leader wants to convince members to do something as extreme as commit suicide, they has to replace their entire belief structure with the belief structure of the cult, a process called indoctrination.

“[Cults] say, ‘You have to break out of your Western mentality,” David Sullivan, a private investigator specializing in cult deprogramming, told Harper’s. “You’re too judgmental. You have to abandon your whole psychological-intellectual framework. Your obsessive materialism is blocking you from seeing the truth.'”

*** Sawyer’s comment:
So how many cults do we have that example for? How did Jim Jones get so many to commit suicide? Wasn’t it fear of having authorities destroy their way of life and it was made into a drill they repeated and didn’t know it wasn’t real poison they drank so that when they finally drank it, many under gunpoint and being threatened on the PA system they did it.

We talked about all ways to exit our vehicles. It wasn’t until 1994 that doing so by our own hand seemed like the way we might go and no one’s entire belief system as replaced, especially for those that joined in 1994 that hardly had a grasp on the groups beliefs.

This is the way governments get their citizens to go to war to kill others and think if they die it’s honorable. A typical cult technique except that’s the cult of Luciferian misinformation.

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The Next Level was a place without gender, and that led to castration
Applewhite and other members underwent the procedure to help ensure they remained celibate. Applewhite, who had been fired as a music professor at the University of St. Thomas in 1970 after administrators learned he had sex with a male student, sought cures for his homosexual urges. He wanted to find a way to have “platonic relationship where he could develop his full potential without sexual entanglements,” said one reporter who infiltrated the group in 1975. Castration, Applewhite believed, could make that easier. Ultimately, the group instituted a strict “no sex, no human-level relationships, no socializing” rule.

Though decisions like this were always left up to the members, eight followers were castrated voluntarily, including Applewhite. “They couldn’t stop smiling and giggling,” former member DiAngelo told Newsweek. “They were excited about it.”

***Sawyer’s comment:

It is true that in the Next Level abodes, on spacecraft laboratories, members don’t have a gender and the physical bodies they wear don’t have a gender. They are from The Evolutionary Level Above Human and to become a Member meant they had to conquer/overcome all their human kingdom characteristics like gender, sexuality, accumulation of wealth, elevation of self (ego), addictions and mammalian relationships. But castration became an option that most did not choose to undergo as for some they didn’t have a significant challenge by that part of their vehicles hormonal system that stimulated a significant toward maintaining celibacy.

The castration procedure was not to “ensure celibacy” and that especially applies to the long term members including DO who had many years of successful overcoming of his vehicles sexual nature. Instead it was like a reward for their efforts to be rid of that battle that despite one’s self control over their vehicles urges, etc. the battle still raged even in ways hardly recognizable as related. For instance when one doesn’t control that addiction to the loss of energy/fluids and the various attention to thoughts and feelings, one’s capacity for “common sense” diminishes, according to Ti and Do. Also one is not as objective working with others if their vehicle is attracted or repulsed to another’s vehicle. Thurston, seen in the exit videos as TRSODY makes note of this and the relief he felt after the procedure. Someone who never experiences any significant celibacy of mind and body isn’t capable of understanding it from an experiential standpoint any more than certain alcoholics who may not even think of themselves as alcoholics don’t know how their judgement has been impaired.

There is a great deal to say about this and how the option came to be as I was a part of the first choices to be castrated and Do stopped me from proceeding on two occasions. For over a year DO wondered if allowing those students that were asking for the procedure (Srrody, Prkody and I mostly, DO told us), if he approved of it, by having it done, would reduce the effort needed to build our Mind muscle by working against those vehicular characteristics. Do also thought that the Next Level had designed human male vehicles to be easily castrated (neutered) compared to females who he didn’t give the option to because it was too invasive. (I never learned of that procedure).

It was always interesting to note how Jesus approved of castration for his disciples? In context here is what he said:

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

It was also known that the Essene Jewish community that Jewish heirarchals disproved of also showed in the Dead Sea Scrolls that we read in the book Essene Christian Faith, their promotion of self stimulated castration.

There have been several versions of the story that Applewhite was fired for a relationship with a college student. It may be true but he was teaching in the University of St. Thomas so the student would not have been underage and when talking to the administrators one reporter only learned that he was fired for “personal reasons”. There is also only rumors that he sought professional help with his homosexuality and even if they were true I don’t know what is so terrible about that. About his relationships with a man, Do did tell the student body and wrote in the 88update that he had been living with a man and that he was not happy with his relationship because he sought someone who wanted a committed relationship. Robert Balch, who was not a reporter, but who did write about the group a lot was the one who did infiltrate the group in 1975 and made these few things into his treatise of why he eventually led the group to what humans call suicide so as is the case with this story in particular the same media reports end up being used over and over to build the same rumors and innuendo and hypothesis into facts – the way myth get’s started it seems.

The group didn’t ultimately institute, a strict “no sex, no human-level relationships, no socializing” rule. We had those rules from day one and all the rules came from TI and DO until TI exited her vehicle in 1985 and then came from DO alone.

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Heaven’s Gate cult
Police photo showing a deceased member of the Heaven’s Gate cult. Nike discontinued the sneakers the members wore. STR New/Reuters

The cult went out for a last supper together.
Though Heaven’s Gate members were cut off from their families and friends, they were far from total recluses. Their final meal together was a big group dinner that took place at a chain that they frequented near their compound in Rancho Santa Fe, CA.

“And a week ago Friday [just before their suicides] — just a day or so before enacting their meticulously planned suicides — the cult went out for a last supper together at the Marie Callender’s restaurant in Carlsbad,” the BBC wrote.

“They all ordered the exact same thing,” a waiter recalled to the paper. “It was set up before they came in. They all had iced teas to drink. Dinner salads beforehand with tomato vinegar dressing. Turkey potpie for the entree. Cheesecake with blueberries on top for dessert. They seemed very nice, very friendly, very polite. No one seemed depressed at all, or anything like that.”

Two surviving members likely still operate the cult’s website.
One of the ways that Heaven’s Gate paid the bills was with a web design group called “Higher Source.” Their website is still online.

“Clients described Higher Source employees as diligent and professional,” the AP wrote. “They said the Web-site designers didn’t look particularly unusual for computer experts with a lot of work in the entertainment industry, with dark, collarless shirts and closely cropped hair.”

The pair most likely behind the Higher Source website are Mark and Sarah King according to Motherboard.

“The information must be available to mankind, in preparation for their return,” the page’s admins told Reddit’s blog. “We don’t know when that will be but those who are interested will find the information.”

*** Sawyer’s comment:
Mark and Sarah were instructed to leave the group in 1987 because they didn’t want to abide by the lesson step called, “I could be wrong” and they never returned so had nothing to do with the Higher Source Web Design Business. Do and Crew did stay in touch with them and in 1994 offered them to return to the class again but they denied but then Do offered them logistical types of tasks as they prepared to exit their vehicles though did not let on to Mark and Sarah what their plans were or that it was a serious consideration. I was still in the class and knew of the plans. Rio (Neody) had been a big part of the Higher Source Web design business. Jwnody as she said in her student exit video had been a big part of Higher Source as was Glnody.

I wrote a critique of the Motherboard article found here:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/sawyers-response-to-motherboard-vice-com-interview-with-heavens-gate-website-webmasters/
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The Nikes the group wore have become a collector’s item.
When the Heaven’s Gate members were discovered, they were all wearing identical black-and-white Nike Decade sneakers – and the company soon discontinued the style, due to its macabre associations. Since then, the shoes have become a collector’s item. An unworn pair apparently discovered in a storage unit in Arizona is up for auction on eBay for the asking price of $6,660, bearing Applewhite’s face as part of its advertising.

Nike didn’t exactly appreciate the free advertising.

“We’ve heard all the jokes,” Nike rep Jim Small told Adweek in 1997. “The Heaven’s Gate incident was a tragedy. It had nothing to do with Nike.”

The surviving members agree. They say that the shoes were purchased in bulk because of their cost, not necessarily their style.

“They turned out to be a look that Do and the Class [adopted names for the cult leader and a member] liked,” they told Sole Collector in an email. “They were also able to get a good deal on them. It was a combination of factors that made the sale happen, not because of a particular model or brand.”

*** Sawyer’s comment:

“Class” wasn’t “a member”. It was short for “Classroom” the equivalent of student body or “church” in Ti and Do’s new generic non-religious terms that were more accurate now.

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Sawyer’s Critique of Ben Zeller’s article entitled: What the Heaven’s Gate suicides say about American culture

March 25, 2017

Below is Sawyer’s critique of another article about Heaven’s Gate. The article link is at the end but here is the text with my comments embedded:

What the Heaven’s Gate suicides say about American culture

Ben Zeller, Lake Forest College Published 4:53 am, Friday, March 24, 2017

Ben Zeller, Lake Forest College

(THE CONVERSATION) Heaven’s Gate – also known as the “UFO cult” – burst into American consciousness 20 years ago this month, when, on March 26, 1997, law enforcement discovered 39 decomposing bodies in a San Diego, California mansion.

Each detail that emerged from the scene stunned a rapt public: Adherents had committed suicide in waves on March 22 and 23, ingesting a lethal mix of barbiturates and alcohol; they lay under purple shrouds, with five-dollar bills and rolls of quarters in their pockets; all wore simple dark uniforms and Nike tennis shoes.

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sawyer’s comment:

“rolls of quarters” – that’s the first time I ever heard that. It was generally $5 and quarters that was first reported though I don’t know if every member had that combo. I reported to media in 1997 that I thought it had to do with our routine to sign out $5 whenever we went out of craft (house) on a task and then signed it in when we got back. It was for minor emergencies or if we were doing an “out of craft task” (job in human world) that extended past our 3rd Experiment (dinner time) as some were computer technicians that had varied hours at times so they’d have a little something to get a sandwich or something to tide them over. Before it was $5 in the 1990’s it was quarters for use in a pay phone in the 1980’s. I am sure it wasn’t more than 4 quarters or less than 2. Then some years after 1997 I heard a report that said it was $5.75 and I related it to Mark Twain’s fare for boarding the tail of a comet to go to heaven – like a dual service joke and practicality of having a tiny amount of money in case Ti decided to take their vehicles with them, heal them of their drug induced vehicular death and use them for some task someplace else. I believed this was also the reason for each to have a travel bag packed with a change of clothes as they left no stone un-turned. Could some have had rolls of quarters? Of course. But I wonder what was in the final report. It’s not important anymore but it just adds to the confusion of the facts to see it constantly reported differently.
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Bizarre as these details may seem, if you actually look at the group’s beliefs and history, Heaven’s Gate has far more in common with American culture than you might expect.

In my book on Heaven’s Gate, I argue that the group drew from broad trends in American culture – religiosity, apocalyptic thinking and an interest in fusing science and religion.

But one theme has become even more evident since I wrote the book. The group’s embrace of conspiratorial thinking reflects a culture of conspiracy that has long existed in the margins of society – and has re-emerged at the center of American life.

At the time of the suicides, Heaven’s Gate had been in existence for over two decades.

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Sawyers comment:

The Name Heaven’s Gate wasn’t used until 1996. We used  many other names before that.

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It was founded in 1972 when two Texans, Bonnie Lu Nettles and Marshall Herff Applewhite, bonded over shared interests in alternative spiritual exploration, astrology and biblical prophecy. They came to believe that the Bible foretold an extraterrestrial rapture wherein some individuals would be saved from life on this planet and journey to what they called the “Next Level,” a physical realm in outer space where they would live as an immortal, perfected species of space aliens. They gained their first significant attention and converts in 1975 among alternative spiritual seekers in California and Oregon.

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sawyers comment:

In 88update Do says that when He and Ti met they had nothing in common but a strong love for their Heavenly Father and a sense of having something to do together so they didn’t bond over shared interests.

They never spoke in terms of a “rapture” until the 1990’s that I recall as we had no bible kinds of study before then and with TI. Then Rapture meant – leaving all behind to follow eith the Older members literally as Jesus disciples did.

“saved from life on this planet” is to me a skewed way of saying what was more the case of “graduated from the Human kingdom” – and “evolutionary step” that amounted to being saved from “death on the planet” the fate of all life forms on earth, which is also aligned with what Jesus taught.

The latest trend in these articles and book authors is to classify them as “space aliens” which is part of the Luciferian Space Alien fallen Angel misinformation, rather than distinguish them as Above Space Aliens, Beyond Human and space Aliens, Evolutionarily more advanced than space aliens as “human equivalents” and DO said that the space aliens were SOULS who propagated hybrid physical bodies and were no longer allowed to circulate very far into space now and that there were no good and bad space aliens. They were all enemies of the Next Level though some had more consciousness of the Next Level Above Human than others and were also in competition with one another over the “spoils of the planet”. See USA Today Info Ad published on May 27th 1993.
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Nettles and Applewhite drew from Christian sources, particularly prophetic and apocalyptic material. They were also inspired by the New Age movement, which emphasized meditation, diet and the channeling of spiritual beings. Like many religious people, members of Heaven’s Gate sought salvation from what they considered a corrupt world.

***** sawyers comment:
To say they were inspired by the New Age movement is misleading. The author should just read 88update for Do’s words on the subject if accuracy is most important anymore.
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After Nettles died of cancer in 1985, the group’s adherents increasingly rejected their earlier belief in what they called biological metamorphosis, wherein their human bodies would chemically transform into extraterrestrial forms. Instead, they now envisioned abandoning their human bodies on Earth and transferring their consciousnesses – through (unspecified) technological-spiritual means – into new extraterrestrial “Next Level bodies.” (This is roughly analogous to reincarnation.)

**** sawyers comment:

“group’s adherents” who left, did so for any number of reasons and I learned what their reasons were because some of them sought to return and explained why. For example Dymody, Wndody, Rkkody, Trsody, Flxody and some never returned who gave interviews – Shldody, Jssody – who I believe left because the pickup didn’t transpire when Ti and Do first indicated it would (after 5 years they regretted saying as they never knew but kept getting pressed for the answer, though that didn’t phase their core believers like myself who never cared about being picked up by a UFO to begin with.

But to say they rejected “biological metamorphosis” I doubt was on anyone’s mind as we hardly understood what that entailed anyway until the mid 1990’s and even then it wasn’t until years later after I left them that I realized what they were referring to. The Soul was a “seed” and was physical and had a biological interface inside the human container where it could grow. Upon completion it would be equivalent to when Jesus was transformed on the Transfiguration mount, when Do felt he was ready to lay that body down to heal it in 3 1/2 days as Ti agreed was a time frame for such healing to occur.
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Eventually, some members came to believe that they actually were space aliens – that they’d taken on human forms to learn about life on our planet – though this belief appears to have not been universally shared.

**** Sawyers comment:
Who said this? It wasn’t members who stayed in the classroom to their departure I can assure you but the idea probably did come from space aliens into some minds.
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It may come as a surprise that, until the suicides, Heaven’s Gate attracted little outside attention.

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Sawyers comment:

Nor did they want outside attention which is why when Ti stopped the harvest (first wave) in 1976 they went into seclusion for about 17 years as they didn’t want any further attention. When they wanted attention they got it big time – still talking about it 20 years later with new believers to degrees all the time.
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They didn’t face government persecution, angry ex-members or professional anti-cultists eager to destroy them – all of which dogged other new and alternative religions like the Peoples Temple (the group behind the Jonestown massacre) and the Branch Davidians (the targets of the Waco siege).

So what drove Heaven’s Gate to consider collective suicide?

In the final years of the group’s existence, members came to believe in an elaborate conspiracy that leading governmental, religious and economic figures had colluded with a group of demonic extraterrestrials called “the Luciferians.” According to Heaven’s Gate members, these evil forces were all working in concert to cover up the existence of UFOs, and specifically a UFO “companion” that trailed the Hale-Bopp comet, which came closest to Earth on March 22, the day the suicides began.

*** Sawyer’s comment:

We began our study of the UFO phenomena in earnest in 1987 while living on Lost Angel road up Boulder Canyon in Colorado when Do brought in copies of “UFO Crash at Aztec” and in particular made parts of the appendix and the autopsy reports required reading and the rest optional. Before then we had a few books about Roswell and Admiral Byrd’s hollow earth, if I recall correctly, but never had them as required reading and never had a discussions about them which can be seen in the audio tape records.

ALL space aliens were “demonic” – not the way they want to be labeled for public consumption of their agenda of being human saviors.
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The sort of conspiratorial thinking that Heaven’s Gate adopted was nothing new. Their belief in government conspiracies and UFOs could be traced back to popular responses to the first “flying saucer” sightings and the crash of an unknown object in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.

Religious studies scholar Joseph Laycock has written about how some aspects of the emerging UFO subculture blended scientific and supernaturalist theories, bringing together religion and conspiratorial thinking. Likewise, historian David G. Robertson has documented how UFO conspiracy theories eventually merged with New Age religious thinking to create what he calls “UFO millennial conspiracism.” Heaven’s Gate was part of those trends.

While Heaven’s Gate emerged from ufological culture, they also engaged in a long and storied pattern of conspiratorial thinking by American religious and political movements, a relationship historian Richard J. Hofstadter explored in his famous 1964 essay on the “paranoid style of American politics.”

In the 19th century, this relationship was especially pronounced in a strand of American Protestantism that envisioned an array of nefarious agents attempting to wrest American culture from the values – and control – of white, English Protestants. They initially targeted (sometimes violently) Catholic immigrants – who were neither Protestant nor English – and justified their actions with a blend of nativism and conspiratorial thinking.

And it was this sort of conspiratorial thinking that suffused American political movements, whether it was McCarthyism or the anti-Masonic movement. Hofstadter wrote that proponents of such ideas often felt “dispossessed,” that the country had been “taken away from their kind.”

Today, many fear that external agents, from Muslims to illegal immigrants, have eroded core American “Judeo-Christian” values. Perhaps as a result, we’re now witnessing rising nativism, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.

Heaven’s Gate also embraced what historian Michael Barkun calls a “culture of conspiracy,” which divides the world between evil forces secretly conspiring among one another, true believers aware of the conspiracies and the mindless masses who operate without awareness of the truth.

**** Sawyer’s comment:

Ti and Do said the Next Level had a “conspiracy” – a “need to know” policy and one of maintaining “secrecy”. This can be seen in the way the Prophet Daniel was told to “shut up the meaning of the vision” and to how John the Revelation writer was told the same thing in chapter 10, UNTIL the time of the end in Daniel’s case and in John’s until the 7th Trumpet soundings. That seventh trumpet sounding as been in progress since at least 2008 when National Geographic Magazine’s “Final Report: Heaven’s Gate” aired a documentary that posed the question in the byline and in the body of the document, via the words of Sawyer (as I had asked them to do, a miracle to have happen (because I think the Next Level wanted it to occur), “Could Heaven’s Gate have been the Second Coming?” (paraphrased) that millions would have heard – the function of a trumpet sounding of information that was to occur after the TWO and Crew had exited their incarnations.
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While Barkun focuses on the religious and cultural margins, today the same elements are arguably at work in American political discourse, whether it’s talk of secret government wiretaps, a deep state, or cover-ups within the scientific community on topics ranging from vaccines to climate change.

The adherents of Heaven’s Gate wouldn’t probably be drawn to these various political conspiracies, though they shared the belief that powerful forces colluded behind the scenes to hide the truth. In order to support their claims of the existence of extraterrestrials and UFO visitations, they embraced this conspiratorial logic.

Twenty years ago, people laughed off the conspiracy theories that consumed the group and eventual led them to “opt out” of the planet and commit suicide.

**** Sawyers comment

The conspiracies theories that abounded in the 1990’s stemming from the previous decades amounted to maybe 1% of content of the groups consideration so hardly could be said to have “consumed the group” and certainly had nothing to do with their “opt out” “suicides”. Watch the students exit videos to see what over 30 students said about their exit. Why isn’t that proof of their mindset. They were leaving because they had bonded with their Older Member, and had grown to know they were not those bodies and because most of all they loved Do wanted to follow him, be with him after their exit to take up their next tasks to have graduated their human lesson plan. Yes they saw the world as the hideous place it really is, where even most Christians are, know it or not, anti-Jesus teachings while in condemnation of what they don’t want to understand as misinformation is the rule rather than the exception.
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But what happens when political leaders embrace a similar logic?

Link to this article: http://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/What-the-Heaven-s-Gate-suicides-say-about-11024924.php

This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article here: http://theconversation.com/what-the-heavens-gate-suicides-say-about-american-culture-74343.

Was Reliance on Ti (Father) and Do (Jesus) a human attachment?

November 10, 2016

question to sawyer:

don’t you have a humanly attachment to Ti and Do>? The relationship that you and the others shared with the “father” and the “jesus” were markedly human in it’s reliance and strong attachment to them. How is this above human>?

Sawyers response:

If any student did have a human attachment to Ti and Do, for instance attracted to their physical vehicle, would be an example they would have had to overcome it. Ti and Do did nothing to foster such. Another human way would be, to be “friends” or “confidants” and Ti and Do would have none of that. We were also prohibited from having either of those forms of attachment to one another. If we did, we had to overcome it. We acted towards one another as crewmembers and towards Ti and Do as an admiral and captain – strictly business, though that doesn’t mean we didn’t laugh together but not in human ways, unless a student did so in a human way that then they would find out needed to be overcome. Overcoming has to do with recognizing behavior and ways that are human including thoughts and not acting them out or allowing ourselves to entertain them in our minds. The attachment we were fostering was one of Mind – Love of their Mind – the things they said, the way the acted, their character, their choices, their ideas. We had pleasure but it needed to be a pleasure instigated by Ti and/or Do.

For instance one time we had a large property we were leasing and it had a 1/8 mile track to run on. And another time we had a volley ball court. Another time, even several we had outdoor build in swimming pools and one time an indoor build in swimming pool. Another time we had an indoor squash court. Other times tennis courts. We had a music listening option at times. We went on outings – to the zoo or to a restaurant occassionally or to the movies somewhat regularily like once every two weeks or so. We had an exercise room, and took walks for heath when we lived in more rural settings. We  had a small lake and had a little row boat people could paddle around in. We had puppies once. We had birds on several occasions. We had a christmas celebration on two of 19 years. We experimented with a tiny bit of wine one of those christmas parties. We bought gifts for the group, not for one another and had a tree even. Now with all these things we had instructions on how to use them. Sometimes just a simple instruction that we could use it and they they’d get reports about how some were using it and they’d then show us how a Next Level Member would do it. Sometimes such would be discontinued because one or two couldn’t not play in a human way. For example – volley ball – some of the males got into spikeing the ball. Ti and Do said a Next Level member wouldn’t try to make someoine miss. They would try to see how long they could keep the ball in the air between the two  sides rather than try to make someone miss. Next Level membres are not competitive at all.

It’s human to be competitive. But we wouldn’t have known what was or wasnt’ behavior in the NextLevel until they told us just like they told the children of israel not to kill and steal and covet what others have, etc. as a toddler level lesson plan. And those with Jesus would not have known the updated lesson to not even judge someone as breaking a moses law as with the prostitute caught in the ack as it says. That is the process of bringing a soul and the genetic vehicles they occupy and try to take over through the lesson steps that are actually like trimesters in a birth. If you have some examples of what you think were human attachments to Ti and Do run it by me and I’ll do my best to show what was happening.

But as said to overcome it meant to “change our mind”  constantly, and the meaning of “repentance” to take in Their Mind to replace our old misinformation mind with. When it comes from our Older Members no matter what they give us, it’s is “consuming” their Mind. They are the bread to feed our soul with. One time Do shaved his head and a few students wanted to do the same and Do apprecieated that but said that wasn’t needed to mimic – especially for that time when many of us had jobs in the world or were seen by humans when we weren’t so bold about being monks – as we were often living in neighborhoods where we would have been run out if they others there learned we were a “cult” or suspected such – which did happen a time or two, but the point was that we didnt’ need to duplicate eveything Do did in that way.

For another instance Do was primarily left handed and some wanted to try to be left handed when holding a fork, etc. In that case Do said they could try it but it wasn’t an instruction so if we didn’t do it, it wasn’t counted as something we were rebelling from doing. It’s not this way in the Next Level in their spacecrafts, or in their laboratories, inside planets and such. We are not watched all the time. These things were just for the training program as those who cling to their old ways are showing rebelliousness to adopting the new ways which means they don’t really recognize who Ti and Do are. We have not yet grown to see their Mind through their vehicle – not literally see their Mind but recognizing it having had a previous relationshiop with them for even millenium, though not all in the classroom had necessarily had the same previous relationship. (That doesn’t matter anyone as no one is held to what they were or should think they have a greater stature because of what/who they were. Do hated that bumper sticker that said jesus was the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, because that like saying he didn’t grow into more than he was before and growth is constant for those who want to grow and that continues in the Next Level.)

re: reliance:

Humans were also beign taught to form a reliance on, for instance their human father and mother – Honor them, which I believe means respect them and what they say, look up to them. Everything in the human kingdom is set up to be a stepping stone into the NextLevel behavior and ways. That’s why Jesus started talkign about God Diety, Jehovah more in terms of his being our Father – the greek word Pater or Hebrew word Abba to equate with that commandment to honor our father and our mother.

We were out growing self reliance. jesus taught that too when he said to be his disciple one had to “deny self”. Also the Lords prayer said one wanted to have the Father’s “will” for them. Jesus relied upon his Father entirely. He said he had said everything to his students his Father had given him to say. He said he layed down his life for his Father, on his Father’s instuctions he received the timing to enact when he went up the mountain with james and john and peter and they called it a transfiguration that Do said he thought was when he had “changed over” his vehicle into a next level vehicle (inside) – the metamorphosis had completed enough to where his “soul body” was viable – another topic.

Mose also taught losing self reliance that Jesus also repeated saying one must give all their heart (blood, love, emotions, passions) all their Mind (thoughts, understanding, feeling, desires) all their  soul (breath, spirit, LIFE, thirst, aspirations, inspiration, imagination) and all our strength, though when the Older Member isnt’ incarnate and we hadn’t had a genuine personal relationship wit that present Older Member the next greatest instruction was to “love one’s neighbor as themselves” and neighbor was every fellow human and love was a brotherly or sisterly love – which in so doing was pleasing the Next Level Older Members and showing we were meeting their qualifications for graduation so that we  would give our all to them when we are brought back to take over a new human vehicle prepared for us when the Older Member is incarnate again so we can have that personal relationship to give our ALL.

“Third Eye” way Luciferian Space Aliens Steal Souls

March 12, 2016

Below I have listed a youtube channel post that is entitled: “Symptoms and Side Effects of Opening You Third Eye Chakra”. The introductury text follows and the link is at the end. My comment to one of the commenters follows this introduction. Note the person who made this video says they have an ebook with “17 steps” in the title, another way the Luciferian space aliens sew seeds of confusion to try to commondeer the Next Level’s efforts. This is yet another area in which those standing for Ti and Do can get familiar to provide help to some who are being trapped by the Luciferian space aliens and their supporters (whether they know it or not):

YOUTUBE VIDEO INTRODUCTION:

Symptoms and Side Effects of Opening You Third Eye Chakra – What will happen After Third Eye Awakening and what are the signs of an open third eye? The third eye chakra, or Ajna Chakra in Sanskrit, is our connection to our spirituality and is located between your eyebrows. Third eye meditation can helps you open and activate this chakra. But before you start your third eye awakening, you should take some time to learn more about this chakra and what you can expect from opening it and what you need to be aware of. So here are a couple of things many people have reported experiencing after opening their third eye, and the signs you can look for is you have already opened your third eye, both good and bad.

What Will Happen After Opening The Third Eye Chakra
Many people have experienced hearing a loud popping sound from inside the middle of their head when they first open their third eye chakra. This is believed to be the opening and activation of the pineal gland. The pineal gland is a small hormone-producing gland that is connected to the third eye and is what regulates our sleep rhythm and releases melatonin.
A very normal side effect of opening the third eye is an intense pressure on your forehead and you may feel a consistent tingling or vibrating sensation on the third eye that can stay for days after opening the third eye chakra. This is only a sign that the meditation has worked and your third eye is awakening. This will go away within days, so don’t worry.
People often times experience symptoms directed to their vision and they begin seeing unexplainable things not from this world. This is what you need to be prepared for, as it will be a frightening experience if you are not properly informed and did not prepare yourself for this. One of the things you may see are paranormal entities or what we call spirits of those who have passed. You can develop clairvoyance and the ability to communicate with spirits. Some people see other beings not of this world, and could be creatures of other dimensions or what religion might refer to as demons. No matter what type of entity you may encounter, it will be a very overwhelming experience, and for some people it starts to feel like insanity and something they have a difficult time shutting out.
This is why opening the third eye is something you should prepare yourself for, so that you know what you are dealing with and what you can expect. This means that you have to be patient and take some time learning about the third eye before you actually try opening it… it will greatly benefit you in the end.
So to some of the more positive sides of opening the third eye is your increased ability to develop your psychic abilities and many people have reported experiencing astral travel, seeing auras and a greatly improved intuition.
Other symptoms of an open third eye chakra is more subtle. You will for instance improve your awareness and notice more things around you that were only background elements to you before. You step out of the state of autopilot, where you just go through your day not noticing or paying attention to anything.
Some describe a state of objectiveness where you are not blinded by your eyesight and the illusions and lies your eyes fall a victim to, but you will be able to see things more clearly and sense the truth and reality that is difficult to put into words. This could be a sign that your intuition or sixth sense is improving.
A lot of people say they see lights or colors while meditating, and this is just a sign that your chakra is activating. At some point they may even start to see pictures in their minds eye when they meditate, which in the beginning are very unclear and like a blurry image. Over time with third eye practice, the images will become clearer. Some will see an eye with the indigo or purple color of the third eye chakra in their minds eye.

Get my eBook “The Third Eye – A 17 Step Activation Plan”
video link: https://youtu.be/K1pxp6sE15g

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COMMENTS BY A YOUTUBER AND MY COMMENT TO THE COMMENTER:

America Anuchiracheeva asks:

If there is any technical advise to avoid any dark entities scary stuff? thanyou for your advise.

My comment to America Anuchiracheeva as 3spm:

There are no entities that are not scary who will be attracted to you by continuing playing with these tricks. The lower forces of the planet love to have “vehicles”  they can work through. These include space aliens that are actually no longer “space” aliens because they can no longer travel very far from earth – the reason they are trying to get humans to do so, because they wish to escape the earth where they have been in prison for thousands of earth years.

Several years ago, I believe I was given a sample of a third eye opening, I suspect to show me what people were doing and seeing and experiencing as a result. After a few weeks of seeing things it was removed. This third eye opening is a fake enlightenment. What someone is doing with this meditation might be compared to adding a device to your “brain” (computer) that provides a more powerful interface with whatever spirits and actually space aliens that want to use your vehicle. Sure they can assist you in many human things but true enlightenment means you have risen above the human evolutionary kingdom. I don’t think there are any truely enlightened being on the planet right now. I say that because I was the student of TWO enlightened beings, who incarnated into the body of a human woman and a human man in the 1970’s who took the names Ti and Do. They proved to me over 19 years with them that they were from the One True/Real Many Membered Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human – the organization of Beings who have evolved by choice above the human evolutionary condition. They don’t circulate on earth any more than a human would be comfortable living in a wild dog pack or worse yet a snake pit. We can’t actually rise to their state of enlightening without them because what that means is actually filling a “deposit container/pocket” (soul) they install in certain human vehicles, with Their Mind, (spirit) which is living information that if adhered to can grow within that deposit and eventually can be harvested from our vehicle, usually when it dies IF we qualify as they don’t need us and they don’t want just anyone to fill space on their spacecrafts where they live and work, so they make it very hard to join their ranks, but not so hard that anyone who keeps seeking their help can’t accomplish it.

Each person who wants to verify that I am telling the truth about this can project their asking beyond the nearest stars to Them – especially in the names Ti and Do. It’s your choice but to chose these other entites that are space aliens and/or discarnate human spirits is a dead end for your soul. They love having souls as they don’t know how to make a soul and nor can they kill a soul. Only the Next Level who designed everyting and all the life forms can make or destroy a soul. This is one of a number of ways the Luciferian space alien (fallen angels) capture souls that have been planted into humans becaue of the lure of power one gets to see things others don’t see and to have an advantage in the receipt of future help with the intention to capture others. They also want the DNA from those they capture as then they can propogate hybrids they and your soul can prepare for when each physical body being used now dies. They can have you believe when you die you will then be “free” and have that be a welcomed condition theoretically – not encumbered by physicality but it’s an illusion of freedom as once discarnate one can not FEEL sensations in the same way so there is a “wanting” that can not be satiated but they get some satisfaction by influencing living humans to be their tools. This is the norm for the entire human society. All our vehicles are time shared computer systems. The only part that is “us” is the “decider” of what to think, and do.

Now that it’s nearing recycle time it’s especially crutial to those that can still make some sense out of what I’m saying as there is yet another even higher level we need our physical body to make application for and has to be done entirely by choice that involves many steps to progress to and they must be the steps received from an Older Member of the Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human that they provided when they came incarnate as they have done a number of times since the start of their latest “garden” like experiment designed to grow souls into new members of their Kingdom. All these things taught by the Luciferian space aliens is permitted by the Next Level Older Members because it serves to provide us with a total choice of what to become in their “garden”. We can become as rotten as the Luciferians chose to become, that they don’t think they are and even have many disbelieving they even exist.

The Next Level will recycle those and it’s very soon without a middle aged person’s human lifetime that that will be completed which will include dissolving the “spirit world” and leveling and spading the entire planet, what some are mis-thinking will “heaven” on earth while it will be a time period to where the planet will have a rest and restoration of the harm the Luciferian space aliens and human sheeple have caused on it, mostly in destroying having any chance to choose to recognized these Creator Beings. Ti is the Chief Administrator of this garden. She, though is not a gendered being, took a female vehicle with Do and fulfilled the Revelations Two Witnesses prophecy and all the prophecies, though some have yet to play out. She was the One who planted a deposit soul into the vehicle they made (not by human mammalian reproduction) to start the recent experiment.

Do was serving by taking over the Adam vehicle and he fell to the influence of the Luciferian space aliens who were allowed to be present to set up the testing criteria. That same soul last known as Do (and to date) recovered over 7 generations later and took over the vehicle named Enoch who then came incarnate as Moses and then Jesus and possibly guatama Buddha and who knows who in previous civilizations on Earth and/or on another planet. This is NOT christian talk nor spiritual. It’s the real deal – the only real deal on earth and in the heavens – literally outer space. There is a great deal to say about all this but it’s up to you to seek it out. I’m simply providing an avenue but I am not a “teacher” from the Next Level. I am a student of Ti and Do, so I have zero desire for followers of me or to start an organization or new religion as religions at this time are all killers of souls because of how they draw people to become satisfied with the human condition and even satisfied to die thinking they get some “heaven” without the huge investment needed of showing the Next Level we want to serve Them on Their Crews on board spacecrafts large and small all over the universe.

You can contact Ti and Do by projecting your asking beyond the stars to them or if that’s too strange to use their names to the highest Living Being you can imagine exists and if you are sincere they will show you that I speak Their truth. They never lure or manipulate anyone though the have a very certain “rule” for their “”God” Astronaut Training Program” which they first called a “Human Individual Metamorphosis”.

Conclusion:

This person asking if there is a way to avoid the dark forces sounds to me like a ripe soul in that vehicle where many are overrippened and are already sold themselves to the Luciferians. As usual it’s not our job to save souls as religionists often do. It’s our job if we choose to take it to show the choices by introducing people to Ti and Do and their Next Level Above Human so they can judge for themselves who to give their allegience to.

I’m not saying everything I said in this post is exactly as Ti and Do would have said it. In fact I am confident I didn’t. I would welcome anyone’s help to improve my post and make it their own or start from scrach to make their own using quotes from Ti and Do and Crew and references to documents they left behind. If you leave those quotes in comments on this blog post I’ll include them to make this post better.

Zika Emergency Manufactured by the Revelations’ BEASTS

February 8, 2016
A link to the evidence follows at the end of this post.
But here’s my interpretation, hopefully what Ti and Do might say:
Excellent research on what’s most likley behind the WHO’s declaration of the global emergency allegedly caused by the Zika virus. The French were among those who didn’t buy it right off the bat and it was obvious to many of us as reported on Alternet.com. What this article clearly points to are several vaccinations administered to pregnant women in Brazil and who is behind the funding of those vaccination programs but the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. It can even look like an effort to contain bad reactions to vaccinations and as a reduction effort to reduce the populations by people fearing sex and pregnancy – stimulating more illegal abortions in Brazil as they have no legal abortions – and the evidence suggests Zika present in a single diget amount of mircroencypheline cases.
As reported before, it seems these vaccination programs pushed on people and unsuspecting pregnant women is directly applicable to the Rev 16:2 prophecy that will affect ALL who give their trust and allegience to the BEASTS (U.S. and E.U. – the heads of the New World Order that is shown by the WHO to be quite effectively a control mechanism of the “sheeple” as some like to refer to the religious but is by no means limited to religious.
I would also not be surprised to hear about other mutations being covered up as I have little doubt genetic engineering experimentations with human embryos is in progress as was reported in the alleged Dulce, NM underground base that was also alleged to be jointly operated by some human equivalent space alien race(s) with humans in the 1970’s and recently I’ve seen some reports of someone who blew the whistle saying he saw animals with mixed breeding evidenced like I think he said a rabbit with a cat head or a toad with a long snake neck and head, as was in part reported about Dulce. To think this is sci-fi can be another form of brainwashing to think amidst these deformed babies from the so called Zika virus. How do we know these engineering programs aren’t being performed in countries with less ramifications when the populus shows signs of their experimentation as they extend their testing to human populations or a virus the use often in the genetic engineering escapes their control mechanisms.
Frankenstein, and Nazi experimentation is not just a story or something of the past and limited to dictatorial regimes past but right in our midst that is becoming the “karma” for all who trust governments and their institutions (though not saying to not take advantage of the helps the medical establishment can provide when we KNOW WE NEED that HELP but not for using their concoctions as preventative while seeking to find more naturally occurring solutions to problems.
The idea of finding natural solutions to problems was part of Ti and Do’s efforts. They weren’t against using pharmaceutical medications by prescription and over the counter such as for headache relief or to dry up a runny nose, etc. But it was interesting that I just read how it was reported from some people who knew classmates when they were building their earthship near Manzano, and renting office space that among their plans for the earthship “fortress” was what they called a “pharmacy” along with a bakery and nutri-lab and mess hall, etc. When I say that I knew it wasn’t going to be a pharmacy like at Rite Aid or Walgreens, etc. Before Ti left her vehicle we did have what they called the “dispensary”. At the time we were experimenting with consuming liquid diets that were nutritious – part of weaning us from sensual stimulus from food consumption. (They weren’t trying to give us things that tasted terrible. It wasn’t about being deprived of all pleasure in that regard. It was designed that They (Ti and Do would decide what pleasures were appropriate). This way any pleasure the vehicle received was according to instruction and that’s what bonding with the Older Members is about – grafting to their Mind in every respect in the ways they were led to provide us with.) So I suspect that’s what they meant by “pharmacy” – a department that used herbs and tinctures, homoeopathic and other nutritional substances for health sustainability – at that time not knowing how much longer they would be on earth.
Here is the link:

Phoenix Lights=alien attempt to upstage Heavens Gate HaleBopp Comet Encounter

February 7, 2016

Below is my comment to a blogger who reports new airforce footage of a jet following a triangle shaped black, so called UFO, that allegedly occurred during the famous March 13th 1997 Phoenix Lights sightings. The link to her blog and the link to the video of the jet in pursuit of the triangle UFO is at the end of this post. (It shows the cockpit view from the jet and the craft it is in pursuit of that is black and triangle shaped and is very clearly some type of manufactured craft dipping and rolling about).  I wanted to express some of what I thought could have been behind the Phoenix lights event, whether this triangle craft was space alien generated or U.S. govn’t instigated or a joint human and human equivilent program development – perhaps the least likley scenerio, at least in any kind of direct fashion.

Sawyer’s comment:

You could be right about some or all of what was called the Phoenix Lights being staged one way or the other, either by humans and/or by space aliens. If it was staged by humans or space aliens, I say it was because of ideas given to humans to have a reason to do so and at that specific time and location, because that’s how both the space aliens and humans work. Ti and Do taught that all humans to include human equivilent space aliens are influenced by discarnates and/or thought projections and it’s the ones known as Lucifer and his associates, who wield the biggest influence and who teach mortal discarnates to do the same which can be as simple as giving certain humans who have authority direction as ideas they would have.

The space aliens are not one group either. Their made up of multiple races, literally brought to the earth vicinity without their knowledge by the provisons of highways in the heavens they were given a one way pass on. Othewise there was no way for them to traverse the distances within even a number of human lifetimes, though some do have extended liftimes that Do indicated to about 1000 years (which shows in the records of the current early part of the civilization).

So the space alien races don’t have one organization though may have alliances with one another that extend to human governmental organizations, I believe Ti and Do also indicated. Ti and Do spent little time on all this. It’s little tiny one sentence tidbits that when looking back and combining with what we learn about from reports shape a picture that makes reality look far stranger than any fiction, though The Next Level is the source of even that fiction indirectly and directly, though some of which comes from the ideas the Luciferian space aliens provide humans in thought as ideas and motivations to play out their agendas.

So the aliens have competitions among one another for the spoils of the planet” whcih is also spelled out in non-religious historically recorded word of mouth/written Jesus forcasting of this time, referred to as prophecy. However, in general, which always works it’s way down to the same specifics the aliens have the same agenda to steal “souls” and/or to advance human’s in technological development they can benefit from and/or advance their hybridization programs to develop new bodies from, they can program for their use (that the bodies don’t know is happening because of the mind control over them from their bith as we also see throughout human populations) or to develop longevity and survivalist technologies and sustainable energy system development – to power their spacecrafts and environments on craft and provide sustenence that also carrys over to their hiding in their underground bases where they have been forced to retreat during previous civilizational recycling times.

I know from reports that particular triangle shaped black craft that look like the one later shown to be among the first “stealth” aircraft designs were seen by people I’ve read in reports over the years and had conversation with one who is a Hopi descendent in Arizona who did quite a bit of investigation into the Phoenix lights and the triangle shaped craft who went to Virginia and got a hold of some footage of the same kind of craft in that  airspace. Virgina seems to definitely be a hub and is even where Virginia Tech hosted a mirror Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” site and it’s interesting that it’s been “marked” it seems by the Next Level in these latest “fireball” sightings at the end of January of this year of 2016 that also marked Arizona with a sighting, Maine (kennebunkport?) to North Carolina and Kentucky, this time around.

By the way, those “fireballs” as I reported seem to be arriving in the same pattern as they did first in 2013 that started with the Russian Cherblynsk “meteor” that flew over that city and did result in some minor injuries from thousands of broken windows but no fatalities or serious injuries reported. In fact, each year starting in 2013 the Fireballs were followed by a near miss asteroid and a couple comet that in several cases came out of nowhere that came to perihelion within days of the March 22nd Hale Bopp’s perihelion, when the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” members layed down their lives, believing doing so was TIMED by the comet’s arrival as they had been anticipating since 1975 to come to pick them up. For those that know some of that history, one would know that at that time Ti and Do thought we’d be picked up with our vehicles, while they also thought each student that was fully embracing what they taught was literally growing something inside of our human bodies. They didn’t get any more specific than that at that time but only said we were going to experience “body changes”. It was many years later that Do spoke about how the “deposit” provided each who is “called” to the opportunity is a physical container that houses Next Level Mind (holy spirit). They knew that was what would be born but they didn’t know when the Next Level would move that “body” out of the human body and into the Next Level body that was to be “grown” for that student according to what they had risen to in their metamorphic changeover.  Therefore when it happened by their own hands that was the method to exit their human bodies and since those soul bodies are invisible to humans it was the “spririt/mind (soul) birth” Jesus spoke about happening upon his return. Therefore Ti and Do were 100% correct in thinking we would be picked up with our bodies – it just was the only body the Next Level harvests as they have no need for human bodies – they can grow them by the billions easily.

But why wouldn’t Ti and Do have said that it was our “soul body” that would be harvested in the first place. As they always said, they were only informed about what was going to happen and with certain understandings a little ahead of the student body. That is strategy becaues the Next Level knows the Luciferians will be looking for every way to create facsimili events and understandings and doubts and side issues to try to thwart the Next Level’s harvest of souls as they want souls for themselves, to add to their ranks and also resent the Next Levels authority over them so if nothing more want to try to prove them wrong at every turn.

And yet the Next Level knowing that uses it for several purposes. When something they say is later seen differently by them it’s uncanny to see how it resulted in a filtering of those who were not ready to go the distance of overcoming their humanness. Plus it provides another filter, giving people who might be on the fence an easy out as if someone wants an easy out, they too will not at that time go the distance, though for all it doesn’t mean once one has left a classroom or never even joined, that they can’t at any time switch gears and say to the Next Level, for those hearing this, to Ti and Do, they want to give it all they got, so want the help to do so. And by the way, if the “bombardment” from the lower forces we all must experience that trys to turn our eyes away from further growth towards Next Level Membership seems too hard to handle, then Ti and Do said we could ask the Next Level (Them) to ease up some.

Coming back to the Phoenix Lights, from the reports of that event, that triangle craft doesn’t seem to explain the famous “7 lights” that don’t look like one craft in their configuration, (but I don’t recall if they moved around, so could have been one craft or a combo of crafts forming a formation.) I don’t think drone technology was that well in place then).

What many in the know about space alien activity and in governments who have knowledge of space alien activity, that becomes divided into “good and bad aliens”, may not be open to considering, and that even some Christians who believe UFO’s are evidence of the fallen angels often don’t want to consider is that none of these are representative of the physical Living Above Human Beings who evolutionarily created everything. Some of these Christians will say, for instance that the UFO’s are satan yet will say space aliens don’t exist a typical way the Luciferians twist anyone’s thinking away from further reality. Where the non-christian based scientists and such, if they have recognized and dealt with the entire ufo and space aliens among us evidence will often say, there are both good and bad aliens – another Luciferian viewpoint that allows them to continue to enslave humans who were waking up more. As Jesus said “tricks” both in physical (ufo sightings and strange abduction accounts) and mental to miss the greater reality in front of us, to even sway those of the “elect” or “remainder”, another reason we won’t see the Next Level staging a sighting like the phoenix lights UNTIL the chance to be harvested in some fashion is passed as said in:

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

and then Do in his Next Level vehicle with graduates in their Next Level vehicles come with their armada of spacecraft “white horses” to be seen by EVERY EYE ON EARTH. I’d bet even the blind will have a minds picture of that, though that verse that says that also  refers to all manner of people seeing and some seeing because they have eyes to see.

NEXT LEVEL STRATEGY?

One thing that seems to be apparant is how Do and Crew of the 38 students had been building an “earthship” near Manzano, New Mexico until November of 1995 and suddenly got instructions from Ti (from His spacecraft) for Do and crew to move to Scottsdale,  and Paradise Valley, AZ. They had been hauling supplies to build their compound near Manzano “all summer long” (certain residents reported) and were regularily in touch with the people they rented office space from, that saw them everyday and knew of their earthship project and some of their far out thinking that wasn’t really out of place in that area.

The group bought that 40 acre plot, where they had intended to potentially stage or hope for an exit of their vehicles at the hands of the government, thinking along the lines of staging what happened at Waco with David Koresh and the Branch Davidian group. (Do was constantly seeking Ti’s will for them to conclude their nearly 25 years incarnate and was willing to provoke the government to accellerating their exit IF he felt Ti was behind their doing so. There is a great deal to talk about regarding Do’s thinking in this regard that can easily be ignored but I’ll just say that the human vehicle was never thought of as being harvested so how the souls would exit was always something  to try to stay in tune to as they also never knew when, though at one point they took a stab at it and the spacecraft didn’t come take us away so Ti told Do that he told us later after she left that she felt like she had “egg on her face” and then some students left the classroom shortly thereafter, presumably related to that forcast of “not more than 5 years” not being accurate. Ti and Do regretted saying that. Before saying that when asked how long before the craft comes, they would say “months”. That was their instruction to say and one can easily see why – because this wasn’t going to be a start of a new religion and they wern’t interested in lots of members, and they knew that it was possible to be months and they knew that one had to have a fire under them to hit the deck running or they would never make the grade. Ti and Do always kept an urgency about changing. It was a training program afterall.

It was in mid 1994 that we first believed we might have to “self exit” our vehicles as we put that suggestion into a poster used during the last meeting we gave in 1994 after 9 months of such meetings across the U.S. That was followed by a sense that no matter what we said publically, our exit and end of the task was probably not going to occur by another’s hand.

I was with them until September of 1994 when we had a meeting with even the new members of the group that had been gathered during that 2nd public meeting offering (after 17 years living in seclusion – “overcoming our human behaviors and ways”, which was after the first public meeting spree that also lasted for 9 months) where Do described in detail a plan to self exit by drinking a barbituate mixture that would essentially put our vehicles to permenant sleep, as it says in:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome ((to subdue)) them, and kill ((apokteino= seperate by dying) them ((auto= themselves)).

These double parens above are  the most accurate translation of those Greek words in this context. Ti and Do were subdued by the BEASTS (US) media in the public space (airwaves) and they weren’t put in graves yet their “fallen bodies” (reputations as they were called thieves) was in that public square for the “first third trimester half” as their story was in the media moreorless close to when Ti left her vehicle as we learned periodically.

At that meeting with Do in San Clemente warehouse in september of 1994 He asked each student, one by one, older and newer if they had any reservations as the first posters we used for the meetings said nothing about that kind of exit and there never was anything snuck up on anyone in my 19 years in the group. As it turned out a few did have reservations so Do asked what they wanted to do and they then wanted to leave the group and Do had “pursers” give them money and a train, bus or airplane ticket to wherever they wanted to go.

But that still didn’t leave Do with knowing that irreversilble action was to be their method of exit so he continued to explore alternatives as he had explored for most of the time I was a student, that actually started while Ti was still incarnate as they had that book by the Hemlock Society on all the ways one could self-exit. It’s really not suicide because suicide always includes some sort of negativity against self or others – for revenge or to escape difficult lessons on earth, lessons that we absolutely need to have our physical bodies to learn as once outside the physical body we are “set” in whatever we believed before we died.

I’ve already reported how some of us considered exiting by space craft pickup and/or by “fasting” our way out that was aborted after 14 days of a water only fast. And there was the time after the cocoon movie Do wondered about getting a boat to exit that way. He even bought a boat we had docked in Houston for as much as a year in case he felt instrucdton from Ti to all get on it and head out to sea.

If we believed in a Jesus that did it all (overcoming) for us, so that we didn’t have to do our own overcoming, then the “heaven” we get is just as fictitious when we die. If we die believing nothing is going to happen then that’s what we get – nothing. If we die thinking we will then be free, it is true but free only of the vehicle which is then also free to “change our mind” to grow, to have anything more than the freedom of floating around (though even that is limited though we won’t know we are limited as we won’t know that even in the first “heaven” – the spirit world there are “gates” and chambers, what Ti and Do called “buckets” or “boxes” which is a type of sorting the Next Level Above Human does with their school of spirits and souls as some who did the best they could with what they received will be “saved” for a future opportunity to be incarnate to learn more lessons at a time when an Older Member from the Evolutionary Level Above Human comes incarnate again to nurture towards an eventual chance to graduate their human condition to enter the Next physical Evolutionary Kingdom.

None of the space aliens have graduated. The fallen angels dropped out of a previous program before fully graduating though they did advance enough to have some service in the Next Level in elementary tasks as “watchers” (observers).

But back to the Phoenix lights:

So in the late fall Do got instructions to stop building the earthship though they told those in town, like I said, it was because of the upcoming winter. I’m not saying that didn’t have somthing to do with it, but as with all things associated with the Next Level there are all sorts of overviews but they don’t tell their servants on the ground incarnate more than they need to know as there is a strategy in it. They need strategy because the Luciferian space aliens have strategy as they try to second guess what the Next Level is going to do as they knew well who Ti and Do were and were seeking to steal away souls that were their students and also just resent how they have been restricted to the earth and a short distance into near space so want to do anything against them they can do.

The Next Level lets the lower forces do this against them because it provides all souls with the full free will to choose who to give allegience to, as Jesus said between the Kingdom of God and Mammon (all things that are wealth and treasure to humans). We build our strength of mind/spirit by rejecting human mammalian ways when we know there is something else to aspire to, which is why Older Members from the Next Level come incarnate to share with us in a way that’s direct to understand so not to be left with the archaic and distorted and diluted records (though the truth is still very apparant in all Jesus said, which is because the Next Level saw to it that record remained accurate enough to be used to help awaken future students to their reality and the overcoming process that Ti and Do equated to a metamorphosis).

They stayed in Scottsdale “until it started to get hot” and moved to Rancho Sante Fe from Paradise Valley, Arizona in the spring to summer of 1996.

So the strategy as I suspect was to give the Luciferians the idea they (Do and crew)  would be living and exiting from the Phoenix area and somehow blocking them from knowing when they moved to Rancho Sante Fe to exit.

But the Luciferians I suspect wanted to make their show to relate Ti and Do and crew to themselves, to the space aliens, especially for Christians to see as they had already begun to do though various sources like MUFON who had a staff member who specialized in UFO’s in religion and in the report of the Yellow Book Bob Lazar was shown where he read that the same ones who provided the 5 spacecrafts to the U.S. to back engineer their operation were the ones who also said, “we created Jesus” and said they had video footage of Jesus on the cross from that time period as proof. And I guess it’s possible they do have such footage.

That would indicate that there were some of the space aliens who did seek to commondeer who Jesus represented to turn people to themselves which is also a big part of what the Urantia Book also accomplished and then makes further sense out of the Paul of Tarsus contactee experience or at the least the idea for it, if Paul was directly working as like a double agent even unknowingly.

But the Next Level steers completly away from showing themselves to humans in such an obvious way as seven lights spread across the sky or as a triangular or wing shaped craft or as actually any of the sightings. The Next Level does things in ways humans see as “nature” – meteors, asteroids, fireballs, comets, signs in the sun, moon, stars, planets, signs in earthquakes, volcanos, storms, tornado’s, etc. weather events as then people still have no proof except the proof they get from a “deposit” that they must grow or lose that too.

After all Jesus said it would be the false christs (ians) and false speakers/teachers (prophets), that includes the space aliens directly an directly by teaching humans certain things that show “great signs and wonders” to even persuade those who are “called” (deposited with the soul container) to see the truth (which comes from the incarnate Two Witnesses who are the Father and the one called Jesus returned incarnate in the names Ti and Do.

In other words the Luciferians want to further muddy the water and this is also what is behind the “war in the heavens” – armageddon which is in progress and is a war for souls. Souls are literal deposits of the equivilent of a larva (seed, embyro) that has the potential to become a new child in the Next Level that can become an adult in the Next Level eventually.

I suspect Ti, knowing of the Luciferian plan afoot threw them a curve ball by appearing to locate in Scottsdale to exit. I suspect the Luciferians knew the exit was very near, maybe even expected it at spring solstice, passover time – the time the Israeli tribes exited from their bondage and the significance of comets.

Even if I am wrong about some of this, it’s occurred to me as I ask and dig to see more so may be accurate enough that it might help others come out of “spiritual” thinking a little more to see some of the potentials in strategy. We can think Lucifer is a myth – certainly one of the ploys he likes to spin in his web of lies along with the rest so perhaps this can be of value to someone.

That staging event doesn’t make sense to me otherwise as the Space Aliens have no reason to woo the general public though since saying that the idea popped into my head that this was staged to steal souls – an agenda they definitely have and what better time to do that but when the Next Level are drawing that huge attention. The Next Level may have blocked them from doing so at other times as if we can be wooed by the Luciferians as our choice then the Next Level gives us opportunities to be wooed though at the same time they give opportunity to ignore that wooing and keep our eyes on Them.

Here is the link that stimulated this but I am also aware that a movie is coming out in March about the Phoenix lights, perhaps with that new footage which will make it into another science fictional perspective for many.

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2016/02/03/air-force-aviator-leaks-dramatic-phoenix-lights-cockpit-footage/

Fireballs/Booms – CERES (green) Lights=hour of judegment begins

February 2, 2016

Sawyers comment to post below regarding the bunch of fireballs reported this january 2016 in Arizona, maine to kentucky to michigan, Finland, over the medeterrainian and the New Jersey booms and more, that I see at this time as the “loud voice” of:

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

This doesn’t seem to refer to the time when Ti and Do and Crew went public with their information because though that’s the criteria for judgements of whether souls are saved with them or recycled, the period of Judgement hadn’t yet begun while they were here. It was a different “hour” – 40 year period. The hour of their work seems to have started in 1/1/1973 and ended on 1/1/2013 as evidenced below that then also began the judgement hour of 40 years (though that doesn’t mean we have 40 years before recycling is fully underway as shown during the 6th seals opening, as we approach the 4th seals opening now. I don’t know how fast things could happen. It may depend on our responses, something Ti and Do often said and prophecy said the “days would be shortened” for the elect so I think that means those who elect to give their all to Ti and Do will exit their vehicles before that time their vehicle might otherwise see it’s last days in the human kingdom.

So if it doesn’t refer to the Ti and Do and Crew delivery of their 7 thunders and the front of the Rev 5:1 “book” that was written from within the Throne (Ti and Do) and yet says it’s the time to “preach” the “everlasting gospel”, it sounds to me like the time of the delivery of prophecy slated for after the 6th trumpet sounds during the time of the seventh trumpets sounding that I suspect started with the 2008 National geographics final report Heavens Gate where it was suggested Heaven’s Gate could have been the “second coming” and extended sounding to the Ceres Lights revealing and the Pluto like an earth revealing (as Ti and Do talked about it being).

I believe this is preaching of the everlasting gospel is also shown in Rev 10 as the “little book” that “John” is assigned to “speak about” (prophecy), where “john” is whoever the Next Level gives the task to, which is by far not limited to any one person but anyone who wants to serve to deliver that little books content to others:

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.

Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

That content of this Little Book/Backside (history of prophecy and coming AFTER the Main body of the Book) is the detailed compiling of all the evidence of how all of Jesus prophecy and teachings and the entire book of Revelations are all fulfilled by Ti and Do and Crew’s incarnate time to date and to come.

So as said it seems this was laid out in:

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Said as the “backside” of the Book, and time period after their exit of their incarnate two “waves” (raptures in 1975 and 1994).

There are many evidences in prophecy to another “wave” of “sounding” and “voices” (disclosures) after the Two have exited but here is one I just found:

Jwnody reported in her document, “Overview of Present Mission” that the posting to the usenet groups of Do’s document: “Undercover ‘Jesus’ Surfaces Before Departure,” posted on September 25-26, 1995 was “premature” to post, though I’m sure nonetheless was Do’s instruction to do as the 6th Thunder (roar) as described in Rev 10’s Seven Thunders that all sound as a part of the 6th Angels trumpet sounding that ended soon after they exited their incarnations. Mature simply means that full maturity of what that position was saying will be forthcoming, though the document Do wrote is the entire basis for it. Do, as Ti simply didn’t spend much time on prophecy or much about the time after their exit.

With that said, here is a comment I left for the blogger who posted a report of many of the fireballs and other events. I follow this woman’s blog as she brings interesting things I might otherwise miss, though some of it seems off track but I provide a link to her blog entry at the end that has a bunch of links in it to these report. (Again, please forgive my bad grammer, and all else that’s wrong with this comment. I don’t have the time to polish these.  I just blurt them out at times as there is so much that I just hope someone who has a deposit of Ti and Do’s mind can become stimulated by seeing, which I do all day long when I’m not trying to finish this little book (that I believe is just a couple months from the shelves).

Sawyer commented:

Excellent reporting – Here’s my take so far.

re: the indian shootdown of a ufo – and metal balls of different reports falling from sky – I’m fairly sure that would not be Evolutionary Level Above Human in any respect. First off they would not let humans or space aliens even come close to shooting at them. They can’t even see them with any of their technology. The Space aliens are all human equivilents. Members of the Next Level are Above Human – they have no mammalian characteristics anymore but designed humans to appear like them as humanoid shapes, though that’s only one type of physical vehicle they grow for their members who have graduated from a human kingdom equivilent elsewhere in their universe.

re: the fireballs – you will note that this just started as of the start of our year which as 2016 is the year of the harvest judgement beginning in earnest with the green horse of Rev 6:8 being elected by the great Babylonian Empire (Beast) the U.S. and includes the lessor second Beast the E.U.

Remember the forerunner to these events was The Ceres “cityscape” of lights that were not space aliens nor salt – that’s balony. It’s a Next Level base they wanted to be seen at that time exactly as then it would be reported in time for it’s prophecy fulfillment in Rev 6:8 because “green” is from greek “chloros” that is related to our english word “chlorine”  that makes white/pure out of bacteria, which by the way was wrongly translated to pale by the anti-jesus christians led unknowingly by the Luciferian fallen angels now space aliens, the vehicles that they spawned as told in Genesis 6 and the Book of Enoch. So Chloros is from the same greek word “chloe” which is described as related to Demeter the goddess of the harvest and fertility whose roman counterpart is Ceres and we are really an extention of Rome in the U.S., who largely became christians starting with Constantine that helped make it popular after Paul of Tarsus either knowingly infiltrated the Jesus followers or was influenced by tricks from the Luciferian space aliens masquerading to him as Jesus. In either case, he totally diluted and brought distortion into the records that the now populist governmentalists began to cling to, so because a mechanism to control the people and have them think they get this big reward when they die, called heaven by just saying they believe in Jesus but don’t believe or do anything he said and in fact do the opposites of what he taught so that their jesus is their anti-christ – they are their own dreaded anti-christ.

One comment I saw about the fireball from Virginia said it looked “greenish”.

Now the “green horse” follows Do (of Ti and Do) on the white horse where horse desribes the human vehicle he prepared to be his vehicle to perform his task on/through as he demonstrated the metamorphosic changeover needed to gradute the human evolutionary kingdom to become a member of their Above Human family. The next horse was Red but this horse was prepared by the Lucuferian space aliens because of their agendas to try to get off the planet as they have rumors among them that the earth is going to be changing again and if they don’t escape it entirely they’ll end up having to try to survice underground for at least 1000 years. They are aware of the prophecy in that regard. So they got the humans to bring about the reasons to have endless war for the great amount of money they could funnel to black budget programs so they didn’t have to get congressional approval for much. So they got the humans to move NASA into the DOD. Anyway there is a lot to this all in my very lenghty book about to be pubished this year even soon.

Obama is/was the black horse as the prophecy goes having to do with balancing the two beasts – US and EU to create the mechanisms of the new world order – hence the WHO just showed how they can declare zika virus a global emergency which who knows what that will become. it could be fabricated entirely as an excuse for whatever purpose or it could be a way of hiding all the bad choices they  have made re: their vaccine programs that stimulate many birth defects along with gmo’s and chemicalizationj of our bodies, etc. while funneling money again for whatever usage said for an emergency vaccine as money is not only needed for the space programs that are also looking for the element bob lazar documented that provides power for the space alien spacerafts, which they are also hard at work trying to manufacture at CERN, etc. And they need money for the underground bases they continue to construct so when they see they have to, all those on their lists who have bought their “shelter” can escape what’s going to  happen on the surface.

(it’s possible that’s what the “booms” are under New Jersey but then they reported they were not seismic so that doesn’t make sense as underround explosions from fracing and/or tunneling and undgerground base making do produce seismic waves, so they could be lying about that, but why would they as they could always say it was a mini earthquake whoses pressure cause the sounds waves and all who are involved with agencies are not in the know about all this so to respond in a cover up way can be tricky, though possible of course)

But to me with all things considered, though I could be wrong about, the booms are the “thunder” in prophecy that comes at the start of the Judgement HOUR which is a 40 year period that I believe started around 2013 that I have a number or reasons for saying so.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

This crew from the Next Evolutionary Level, under Ti and Do’s instructions, being the return of the one called the Father and the one who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus, are flying in the middle heaven. There were three heavens according to Jewish talmud which corresponds with things Ti and Do said and that work with this prophecy as well. The Lucifer and associates only got to the middle heaven which is why they still could revert back to human mammalian behavior as they did to propogate with humans as they and their descendents continue to do now (except they don’t have their original physical bodies) but they are in “spirit” manipulating the offspring from when they were able to create hybrids with humans and their seed which is what they continue to do with humans now in abductions. They also want humans who did receive souls from the Next Level to become their servants, co-workers – “brothers/sisters” because they have no other way to get new members because all those who are space aliens were humans who were given souls because they were alive at a time when the Next Level was planting souls which they do whenever they are preparing for one of their Older Members and student crew’s incarnation into those vehicle they prepare.

Anyway, off track again as there is so much to tie together and it’s one puzzle that makes all else pale in comparison – in my opinion that is.

The reason I picked 2013, though the same kind of show occurred in 2014 and 2015 with each year starting with lots of fireballs mostly in the west third of the US and the eastern seaboard from the great lakes region to florida even.

if you recall back then it started with the cherblynsk meteor that really caused a bunch of damage but no fatalities in sibera. (Russia is the Magog area mostly and has a role to play later in prophecy I suspect after the 1000 years after the US and EU are completly fallen and annialiated in the “lake of fire”. That may happen fairly soon like I would guess at most by 20 years from now but I could be wrong about that.

Then after that meteor with booms galore there were many fireball sightings in california and montana and utah and then a huge amount of sightings from the ohio valley to northern florida with reports from maine and vermont as well. Those were in february and march. Then in march of 2013 there was a near miss asteroid and two comets that came out of nowhere. One of those coments named Panstarrs showed an object traveling immedieatly ahead of it yet still very much in the comet’s coma so it couldn’t be debris as deprise would not project ahead of the comet as this black object did.

I suspect that was to show us the same kind of thing that was photographed by the japanese to be  with hale bopp comet that the U.S. airbrushed out of their hawaii photos and covered up when it was surfaced on art bell’s show at the time fearing more people would commit suicide becuse of the Heaven’s gate groups “laying down of their human bodies” not because of the companion object but in the timing of the comet in combonation wtih their 22+ years preparation that started essentially on 1/1/1973 – 40 years before this 2013 anniversary which is when Ti and Do first got a chunk of awakening. The Next Level doesn’t have “time”. But they do have schdules but they are in “events” they schedule using the planetary bodies they design to function they way they do as the earth is their hothouse to grow souls on using human vehicles as their “footstool” to “deposit” their type of “seed” into, called a soul to grow it to become a Next Level member if it chooses to follow the program which is actually like a God Astronaut training program in a new society of beings that thrive on being apart of these projects forever while humans and earth’s come and go along with the human spirits that they don’t salvage from an earth that’s in need of recycling which is about to happen in the next couple decades to degrees but will not annialate all the humans and the earth will repair itself from all the damage humans have done to it.

I could list the comets and near miss asteroids  that came out of nowhere last year and the year before that but I’ve already dumped more than most can stand so I’ll restrain myself. I don’t know if the Next Level will repeat this coming march (their exit anniveary with a near miss asteroid and comet or not) as all they do can be under the heading of that “angel flying in the midheaven – midst of heaven”.

I guess my vote is that they were not ordinary so called meteors and that’s why they are being called fireballs a relatively new term becaus they don’t behave like meteors really.

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2016/02/01/more-spacecraft-shoot-downs-fireballs-january-2016-videos

Overview of Revelations “BEASTS” and “Image”

January 26, 2016

Below is a comment I left on a youtube video I came across that I believe is worth watching. The Link to the video follows my comment but the comment may be helpful to some of you. Please forgive my lack of proof reading and editing and the holes I probably left, but I don’t have time to try to polish every comment I make. Also I know I come across as thinking I know these things, yet I can’t actually prove how they are all related to what Ti and Do taught except indirectly as they didn’t teach prophecy interpretation except in the case of their saying they were the Rev 11 Two Witnesses and Rev 12 Woman Do said was Ti.

Sawyer’s comment as 3SPM on Youtube:

I agree with you first seemed to say as the first beast being America, or more specifically the Rev 17 and 18 woman Columbia/liberty as shown in NYC and Washington District of Columbia and I agree that the Holy See, especially through Pope Francis is one facet of all who are antichrist in that they don’t actually teach the Christing “overcoming of humanness” process Jesus taught and illustrated and required of his disciples that goes beyond the start of being on his team by “belief” and “trust” and abiding by all his taught behaviors and ways.

As we know Peter said that the “antichrist is already among us” and no where is that more apparent than through much of what Paul of Tarsus wrote, as he perhaps unknowingly distorted and diluted Jesus pure teaching, distorting what was meant by “grace” – in how Jesus’ Father forgives us our trespasses that can start the “washing” process with a new slate but insures nothing unless each of us seeks His will each day from there because there is much more to  the “overcoming of the human world” as run by the Luciferians, than, saying we believe.

Anyway, getting off topic of this comment, in my study and observations and experience seeking the Lords holy Mind/spirit I have a number of reasons to believe that the 2nd beast is the EU and how they are obviously tied together  (with the first beast) in the New World Order to include the United Nations and the One world religion (belief) which is a big part of the IMAGE that is clearly given to speaking through the pope more than any other but is also shown as speaking through the Dahlia Llama which are both “like lambs” (peace seeking, gentle, kind hearted) but “speaking as dragon” of Rev 13:11 because remember the Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the heavens doesn’t actually want humans to unite because then they will more and more ignore the only true Creators of everything and all the life forms and even the allowance of the Luciferians to prosper – to provide a clear choice to those the Lord elects to see the truth.

So the “image” is ALL that is related to making SELF into God as most seen in the New Age, “Ye are God’s” mindset that has grown and permeates the world but was brought to a head in the U.S. and E.U. since the 1960’s to date. So this would include anything that equates us as “gods”. Like many New Agers say, “All of us are gods because all of us are parts of the whole of God’s creation”. They uses a few scriptures to portray this, saying “we were created in the image of God” where image is “likeness, appearance, spirit of” all true but that doesn’t make us equivalent to God. Then they quote Jesus saying “The Kingdom of God is within you” which is true if we have the Mind from the Kingdom of God in us, but is not true if we then think we have “arrived” at a place of godhead just because we may have that seed in us – the seed being the deposited soul container the Kingdom of God plants into all the humans they choose to make their Mind/Spirit available to see as it provides the interface they can sprout that soul from. However, as Jesus illustrated in the parable of the sower, many are called but few choose to hit the deck running by asking our Heavenly Father every day how to grow faster and to have the strength to implement that further growth towards meeting the qualifications for heavens gate passage.

I studied every usage of Image I could find in scripture and in all the Revelations examples it’s usage was worded as speaking about the Beast and worshipping HIS image. HIS was actually in the manuscripts, yet is a pronoun and in this translation shows gender but the BEAST is the New World Order organization so isn’t gender related nor a singular person. The Greek “auto” translates to his, her, and a number of other pronouns but in this context I would choose “their” and being a pronoun really reflects “self” so this is saying that those who “WORSHIP THEMSELVES” are actually the closest interpretation of the IMAGE. To worship means to “work for”. If we work for ourselves in any capacity at this time we are separating ourselves from the Kingdom of God. We must choose to “work for the Kingdom of God” and let them take care of our daily needs instead of “working for the BEASTs” – showing our allegiance to their “wealth and treasure” and their IDOLs that we are actually by working for “fornicating with” because we are not giving ourselves to the Lord. Those that want to be wed to Jesus need to shift our devotion and love to HIM If we want to be a member of his family in his kingdom. That doesn’t have anything to do with joining a religion or becoming a priest or going to seminary or becoming a monk or recluse. – Those are fine pathways but no better or worse than any other because essentially what we must do is ask him to help us come closer to him and how we can serve his needs and put our self aside, as jesus said to be a disciple one needs to “deny self”.

I agree where Rev 13:1 says the “…saw a beast rise up out of the sea” is more than just an interpretation of “sea” as people, but specific people, the people who were originally considered by the Lord as the “salt of the earth” the 12 tribes of Israel” that lost their savour (saltness) – (thirst for Jehovah’s Mind/Spirit – following of His commandments) that when scattered (as the Lord often did so they wouldn’t stagnate in getting comfortable in any one place on earth) – like Jesus illustrated about himself as “having no place to lay his head”, through the Luciferians became incorporated (in more than one way) into human governments, namely the Holy Roman Empire following Constantine and to date the Holy Roman Catholic Church that are with all religious teachers now “false prophets” (speakers inspired by God, because they are not actually representing what was taught by the latest representatives.

Where it’s tricky is where the terminology follows in the designation the Catholics have taken as being the Holy See which is another Luciferian tactic to sow seeds of confusion in ambiguity but also then accurate to that “Image” of holiness and piety and knowledge – eyesight.

As with all the Kingdom of God teaches through Their servants as seen in the bible records, there is always a literal vantage point to be seen that even plays itself out in degrees throughout history, thus many Christian writers/bloggers, commentators would assign these Revelations prophecies to the time of the first century AD and ignore all the more accurate signs of how they are coming to pass as we speak, except they often assign more symbolism to the Revelations symbolism that further distorts the true revealing of those mysteries. That first “beast” comes out of the sea. So how can that be literal.

Well we can see the “seven heads” as the seven continents of people and the 10 horns as the G10 financial powers (bankers, IMF, etc.) (that admitted Switzerland but kept the name to G10 – as Lucifer and his associates like to show fulfillments of prophecy as well as then it can trick even the elect into unknowingly siding with his camp) with the 10 crowns those heads of state and the seat is the US – NYC-DC where the wound was the 9-11 attacks that have since been healed. GW Bush was the Ruddy/Red horse and Obama the Black/Blue horse of Rev 6.

The Green Horse is about to come – it’s the “harvest horse”  and the Kingdom of God showed us some more of their reality by the cityscape of lights on dwarf planet Ceres that the BEASTS people and those enamoured as the IMAGE of God are making out to be “space aliens” and for some of the New Agers that believe in the space aliens, the so called “bad aliens” when the fact is that ALL the space aliens are “bad aliens” the descendent human equivalent physical vehicles (bodies) the Luciferian fallen angels use (along with using humans) that are all grounded to the earth so are no longer able to circulate in more distant space, though they are trying to get humans to do so with the hope they can escape earth before the Lord recycles and casts them back into their underground/undersea prison cells for the 1000 years before they are all cast into the Lake of Fire where the BEASTS and false prophets end up before then.

There is a great deal more to say about all this that I can bring a great deal of evidence to that will be very hard for some to consider and believe but all I can say is, if you all Love Jesus and his Father and have not ruled out  certain viewpoints because they seem too far-fetched or outside some common definitions of terms that Christians tend to bash, then you may find yourself filled with further recognition of what’s true and real, though will continue to be challenging as that is what each of us must endure to come through our own “birth canal” of spirit birth into membership in the Kingdom of God.

The Kingdom of God is actually a physical evolutionary (non-darwinian) kingdom level that is above human similar to how human is above animal and animal above plant and plant above mineral. The human Kingdom is not the last step in that DIRECTED EVOLUTIONARY DEVELOPMENT of SPIRIT/MIND – THE CONTENT OF THE SOUL. Members of the Kingdom of God are physical. Spirits in the human kingdom are not physical.  A soul is a physical container as a seed that can be grown into a member of the Kingdom of God that select humans are literally given every time an Older Member comes incarnate.

I can prove with ALL prophecy that Ti and Do were the incarnate Two Witnesses and were the Father and Jesus return in new bodies having new names. They exited their incarnations by 1997 seen by the world as the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth”.

Ti, The Father took a female human vehicle to get her “son” Do in a male vehicle started and then left as shown in Rev 12 that I can bring verse by verse literal interpretation to along with Rev 11 to prove all of this but the only way anyone can see it is if the Father and the One who was incarnate as Jesus draw us to them ,though we must be willing to let them draw us to Them to grow in Their spirit Holy(pure) Mind. We are currently in the LAST stage of harvest. The FIRST stage has passed but we didn’t miss it unless we ignore the truth. So implore you all who love Jesus to scream to our Heavenly Father in the most distant heavens to know whether what little ole me here is saying is true about Ti and Do and then expect to be shown the truth and also scream for the help to have the strength to accept that truth. This video shows how “true believers” will be targeted by the Luciferian driven Beasts and their enslaved humans. It will result in the loss of our human lives for some, but they can not kill our soul unless we let them by turning away from the One True Kingdom of God through their servants who were most recently incarnate in the names of Ti and Do – The notes in the Song.

So when I said we each need to seek to love only jesus, give ourselves to Jesus to become his bride, it wasn’t to his vehicle – it was to the Kingdom of God/Heaven Mind/Spirit that we need to bond to. For those with him physically they were to bond to him and his vehicle was his instrument but he said he would not return in the name of Jesus yet he would have a new name as would his Father who comes with him as they did using the names Ti and Do. Thus to show our love for HIM means showing our love to Do. To try to bypass Do and say we love Jesus is to deny the Father has sent him again to us. It’s not trusting and abiding by what he said would happen in these end times.

There is a sure way of proving what I am saying. Project your asking to your “Father” in the literal Heavens into deep outer space, beyond the furthest stars you can imagine as ask if what I am saying about Ti and Do is true and to help you see it. Jesus taught us to pray to the Father. It was only his disciples he said could talk to him because they knew him literally which is a very important distinction as look at how far Paul was off track because he thought or manufactured Jesus as speaking to him in his head or in some voice from a light, not at all the way the Kingdom of God ever communicates with anyone unless their incarnate representative is standing there at the moment as with Moses and at least twice with jesus.

Here is the video link:

Jesus, UFO’s in Renaissance Art & Evidence Some are Waking up

December 24, 2015

This article (link below) shows pictures of paintings (fresco’s) from the first millennium that show UFO’s amidst scenes of Jesus and Mary. Some show spacecrafts in the sky, clearly showing a human inside piloting. Others show a craft sending a beam of light to Mary. I found the comments the best part for me because I knew of these paintings and they show how many people are waking up more to realities and aren’t automatically swayed by the religious misinformation that often people understandably run away from. This is the good thing about Christmas time – people are apt to write stories like this when otherwise they might not. As Ti and Do said, the Next Level makes all negatives into positives. I listed the comments I replied to in the article below:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ufos-in-renaissance-art_5679991de4b014efe0d7044b?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

comment to article:

Geronimos Ignoramus. Denial still prevails. Anyone Interpreting the renditions in those paintings as anything other then flying craft in an era where there was not supposed to be anything flying in the air, is in denial and keeping the big lie going.

My reply:

And that’s the way the Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human has developed their “garden”, they grow Souls upon, giving each human container they plant those souls within, like the seeds Jesus illustrated, the choice of what to believe, as it stimulates those who can stand the “heat” the choice to bear the trying fires of “changing one’s mind” (repentance) that can purify their Mind aka Spirit to yield the gold. I have a fountain of proof provided us by those who took the names, Ti and Do, from the notes in the Song in the Sound of Music, that they were the return of the Father and Jesus in the task of the Two Witnesses, to where the Father incarnated in a woman’s body as shown in Revelations 12 and came to get her “son” started who came in a male body that had the name AppleWhite, who FIRST came public talking Human Individual Metamorphosis – the overcoming of humanness process illustrated by the Caterpillar becoming a Butterfly, saying the biblical depictions of clouds of light, etc. were physical spacecraft because the Membership in the Next Level used physical bodies they grow to spec, that students are awarded when they go through that trial by fire – the Chrysalis that they then led their student body through to result in their joyful and fully voluntary sacrifice of their human bodies seen by the world as the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth”. We are now in the midst of the LAST harvest stage opportunity that is different from the FIRST harvest stage, described as the time of Tribulation and the “winepress”. The key to realizing the truth to what I am saying is yet another choice that can be fully verified by each individual who has the desire to project their asking to see the truth to the Older Member, who Jesus termed, “our Father in the literal heavens” – deep outer space, where no space aliens or discarnates can intercept, even screaming to know if this is true and then paying attention to the many ways the truth will be shown to each.

comment to article:

Looks like UFOs to me. Artists from those earlier periods obviously saw some very similar shapes and sky positions as we see today in various sightings.
Why is the belief that we are not alone so difficult a concept? Mathematically that’s pretty much an impossible conclusion. And if there are other societies – how is it so difficult to conceive on them travelling to our planets? I mean we’re already doing it.

My reply:

All are not ready at the same time and in the same exact way to see the full truth, because the earth was set up as a school to where the potential to move up in the grades was a continuous choice. As the human “plants” make choices, depending on who they look to as their teachers determines what grades they grow through. There is nothing unscientific or illusionary or supernatural in the facts of this design but it wasn’t set up as an easy school to graduate from because the Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human Older Members, last incarnate in the names Ti and Do don’t need new members to their society so they make it very difficult to graduate BUT fully accomplishable by anyone who seeks their help step by step. Ti and Do taught that the first 6 grades entailed getting into the human kingdom to where a human might be at the top of their game, have everything going for them – successes in family, career, community and even might have their grave paid for and insurance policies to take care of those they loved when they are gone. But the Next Level know there is another entire strata of life that is Beyond Human just like there are levels of life beyond the mineral kingdom and the plant and animal kingdoms, so don’t want any one human to remain satisfied with grade 6 or any grade so they provide challenges that if we seek their help to manage will remove all our humanness and said accomplishments from us to give us the chance to seek the Next Level’s (Father in Heaven) help to arrive at a time when they can graduate. The student is the “soul” a literal container that holds Next Level (holy) Mind aka spirit aka “the words” – the instructions, commandments of behavior and ways that by adhering to advance us away from mammalian behaviors and ways. Our physical bodies are groomed throughout the civilization, understood now to be a genetic tree of/to life as  genuine life really only starts when we fully give ourselves to the Older Members, and especially to those who last came incarnate even after they have exited that incarnation, as is the case with Ti and Do who exited as seen by the world as the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth”. Now the fertilizer is provided by the Next Level in the form of the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens and all the discarnates and humans who have become programmed with misinformation about the reality of this Next Evolutionary Kingdom. All this will be verified to each who asks by projecting theri asking for the truth to their “Father in the literal heavens” who has crews assigned to pay attention to but it must be more than a casual request and it’s best to project that request as far from earth as can be imagined, beyond where any human equivilent space aliens or humans can go.

comment on article:

Don’t disagree with you about other possible life forms but traveling the distance is but impossible.

my reply:

There is current physics that suggests the speed of light isn’t the fastest traverse of distance. It’s the basic idea behind a black or worm hole that my teachers Ti and Do said in 1975 before there was any public talk of worm holes that there were highways in space. Humans used to think space was a vacuum and now it’s known that it’s not, but what if a worm hole was a vacuum – empty of all particle matter. Then if a physical object went inside it there would be zero resistance  to come out in another area instantaneously that if you didn’t take that highway would take you hundreds or thousands of earth years to traverse. This was also talked about by Bob Lazar who says he got the idea from a book he was shown when he was reportedly given a task by Oppenheimer to back engineer how a “ufo” they had was powered. That was in the late 1970’s and since then it’s called “bending time and space” and can be understood by picturing “space” as a piece of fabric. If that fabric is flat to get from point A to B would take such and such a time frame. but if you folded the fabric in such a way that it’s two extremities were brought together and were touching one another, one could see the concept.

comment on article:

Sure, it’s all just a coincidence that they look like modern day UFO’s. Ok, and I’m Mickey Mouse. If they’ve been here and those are their ships and their beams of light then I’d say they have a vested interest in our species. Earth would be a zoo to them, a petri dish if you will. They would look at us a little differently than we look at insects.

Imagine for a minute how people would react if they found out that humans are not the “Alpha Species” on earth.

my reply:

If one pays attention to all the space alien contactee and abductee reports there is evidence of what you are suggesting. They want human DNA, sperm and eggs and certain elements (gold) and are pressing humans to develop modes of travel and the manufacture of elements that don’t seem to be available on earth that are used to power their craft, hence CERN and Bush’s colonization of mars and moon to find as he said, “an energy source that would boggle the mind”, as he already knew such a source existed somewhere.

comment on article:

there is real evidence of a human alien hybrid called the star child skull. its DNA returned that the mother was human but the father wasn’t and dna isn’t in any data bank. further more the star child skull has over 200 different abnarmalaties and isn’t just a a human with some kinda deformity

for better explaination and comaprisons of the starchild skull and normal skull view these 3 videos

the first video shows you the normal human skull and points out what it suppose to look like and how it works, the 2nd video is the starchild skull and how its different from normal human skull and how it would function.

http://www.its-dms.com/USA/01Shows/AnomalousSkull/sc1.htm
http://www.its-dms.com/USA/01Shows/AnomalousSkull/sc2.htm
http://www.its-dms.com/USA/01Shows/AnomalousSkull/sc3.htm

my reply:

The Evolutionary Level Above Human as I understand it from Ti and Do when they were incarnate had a number of civilizations on earth and for all intents and purposes have always existed but they said we’d have to graduate to their society from the human kingdom school to begin to understand where they came from – it’s not in our finite computer to grasp.

That hybridization is what is talked about in Genesis chapter 6 referring to the dropouts – fallen angels who were “sons of god” only because they had become “students” of the Next Level Above Human who it seems were given certain physical bodies and spacecrafts to have some limited service but them decided to break away from their “captain” – an Older Member in the Next Level and attempt to start their own “kingdom” spawning, propagating, engineering their seed with human seed to breed the Nephilim (giants and/or mighty ones, because they had knowledge that put them ahead of humans who didn’t come from that line and weren’t taught by the fallen angel “watchers” as Enoch wrote about. Notice how the Next Level Above Human “Lord” decided to wipe them out, the Nephilim because they were “spoiling” the Next Level’s development of the human species to become a physical “match” for those Souls the Next Level wanted to subject to the test of whether they could overcome/conquer, prevail against those same Luciferian fallen angel space alien – that were now imprisoned on/in the Earth, (so were no longer space aliens, except for some circulation in the very near heavens). The chief administrator, who Do said was Ti, his Older Member and thus heavenly Father incarnate in a woman’s body as shown in part in Rev 12:1, decided the earth humans had become so “violent”, defined in the Hebrew as:
chamac= violence with the implication of; acting wrongly and/or for unjust gain, even cruel, damaging, false (deceitful), injustice, as violent oppressors, unrighteous, violent (against, done), violent (dealing), wrong.

And what do we see today that Do said was the reason the human civilization needed to be recycled – they have become exceedingly violent thus as weeds needed to be eradicated, as Jesus said, the “tares” pulled up meaning getting rid of the human vehicles that were acting like the weeds, (though NOT something humans would please the Next Level to choose to do, as if they were acting according to the Lords desires, as we see people saying they are doing with regards to Christians verses Muslims), though the weeds end up doing their own spading of themselves in the eye for an eye model that is a primitive model Moses gave as a lesson step away from total predatory behaviors but what Jesus updated to say “turn the other cheek” though we see few enacting, whether claiming to be Muslim or Christian, Jew or Hindu or Buddhist, etc. – many tend to justify breaking the Lords commandment that a human should not kill another human).

comment on article:

If you study the 9 levels of the Heavenly host. The Third order of the Heavenly host is a being called a Throne. It is suppose to be a living being that flies and looks like a star moving in the Heavens. How ever this being as it is a living being has one feature that is different. In side of it can carry or ride the 2nd order of the Heavenly host. That order is the Cherubim. This order was suppose to have lead the Hebrews out of Egypt and led the 3 wise men to the Christ Child. Some where along the line the word Throne became a seat of power and the King of the land sat on it.

my reply:

Excellent observation/study. Ti and Do who said they came from outer space, were here to update the bible and fulfill prophecy and later realized they were fulfilling the Two Witnesses prophecy and said many many things to offer proof that they were indeed the Father and Jesus returned as Jesus said they would (dwell with us), said in 1975 while they were still incarnate, that the Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human aka the Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the literal heavens (outer space) made physical bodies that a graduate Soul could be assigned, like the way we as a Mind can drive our human “vehicle”. In other words they said that some of the spacecrafts were biological – living beings that were designed to be the transportation for other living beings – Members of the Next Level who also had physical bodies “grown” for their use (as they don’t have mammalian reproduction, the reason new prospective members need to outgrow propagation and sexuality, along with all their human behaviors and ways to be given a “seat” (position) on a spacecraft in a crew. You might be interested in Rev 6:8 where green mistranslated to “pale” stems from the harvest green as related to the goddess Demeter with it’s equivilent Ceres and the recent discovery of what looks like a city scape of lights on CERES by NASA that was discovered simultaneously with Pluto (Hades) (also in that verse) that showed how it looked in many ways like earth in it’s geology and has a blue atmosphere to boot. I bring this up in part because Ti and Do in 1982 directed a movie script that depicted Pluto as a Next Level base that had inside it a working model of the Earth used to monitor the real earth because the earth is their “garden” to grow new membership on. I can prove by every verse in the Revelations and all Jesus prophecy and the Old Testament writings that Ti and Do are who they said they were, who exited their incarnations with the FIRST fruit harvest in March of 1997 seen by the world as the Heaven’s gate “cult of truth” and that now we are in the start of the LAST harvest stage that is referred to as the “winepress” tribulation time of trouble stage.

comment to article:

I refuse to think that nobody in this galaxy has mastered interstellar travel. We’ve got organisms on Earth like the hydra that are practically immortal. Possibly there are beings that can conquer the vast distances at sub-light speeds, because time for them may be mostly meaningless. These paintings are definitely intriguing. Different artists from different time periods painting similar disc-shaped objects in the sky, with similar orientation and similar kinds of light being emitted from them.

my reply:

For a viewpoint that both combines all viewpoints and adds challenge to all viewpoints, you might want to check out the 25 year long history of those called Ti and Do who were behind the original widespread news story labeled the “UFO Two” in 1975 and then in 1997 the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth”. We are in the process of seeing how all things are coming to be known though at the same time masked by confusion which is part of the Evolutionary Level Above Human’s “astronaut training program” to allow so a few who have the desire to know can strive to separate the truth from the mis-truth, reality from fiction and illusion that is allowed as part of the testing criteria because the Next Level wants all to have their free will during their tiny life span and they don’t need new members so make the bar very high to rise to, to get the cream of the crop so to speak.

comment to article:

Any art student can tell you the two small “craft” with humans inside represent the sun and the moon. Look it up, don’t just believe me. If you look at the edges of the 3 tiered cloud you can see angels peering over. Just representing one of the heavens.

Another comment to the above comment:

I agree that those particular items may represent the sun and the moon. The crescent seems to be represented on the smaller of the two. But it is EXTREMELY UN Christian to represent the Sun and Moon being piloted by … “Gods”?

my reply:

Good point because Christian doesn’t equal the corner of the market on the truth. In fact it can be shown that Christians largely have been led to believe in a very distorted view of all that Jesus represented and taught and did and have thus become their own dreaded anti-christ because christing was a “process” that led to “overcoming the human evolutionary kingdom” as an application into membership in the Evolutionary Level Above Human, spoken of as the Kingdom of Gods and Kingdom in the literal heavens, (because their abode/dwellings are among the planets and stars, even inside them. I would suggest that one of those images looks more like a comet that we now know is not just a dirty ice ball by far as there appears to be many characteristics that show very intelligent design to them. For instance the hale bopp comet is now understood by some scientists to have had TWO Nucleus in orbit around one another. The only two bodies seen as having that kind of synchronistic orbit, locked together as opposed to one orbiting the other just happens to be between Pluto and Charon. Then the idea of one being the moon is interesting in the prophecy of Rev 12:1 that says:

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

“moon (brilliant attraction) under (placed under/beneath) her feet (footstool)”

From this verse I suspected that the moon was a “base” the Level Above Human was using, from which it was a tool (footstool) to help provided “light” (brilliance and attractiveness) to, so humans could use to step up from and it was “placed” in earth oribt to serve as that footstool. It wasn’t until years later that I came upon Do (of Ti and Do) saying they felt the moon was placed there by the Next Level. Ti and Do evidence being the Father and Jesus returned who since have left their incarnation as seen originally as the UFO Two and then as the founders of the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth”. They were never scripture quoters and didn’t teach out of the bible but said they were “from the same family as Jesus was from” that they awakened to largely in 1973 which is all very well documented amidst a huge amount of misinformation about them.
But I imagine the painter of that picture was drawing from this and other bible verses that the Next Level Crew can observe and help steer him to providing more accuracy to, for the purpose of uplifting humans in their consciousness about the reality of the Next Evolutionary Level that today sees religion and spirituality and even atheism as all “killers of souls” because they all are laden with misinformation, but for a few who see through parts of the misinformation are part of that footstool to the truth.
It is also interesting that the Hale Bopp comet was photographed by a Japanese astronomer that showed there was a “companion” object with it as one can tell the difference between it, the comet and the stars by the way the more distant objects appear more oblong while only the comet and this other object were distinguishably less oblong because of the way light is photographed differently when the object is further away. As is the Next Level’s way, though, they seemed to then hide that companion when they went behind the sun to emerge with three tails, unheard of before then but also evidenced having two nucleus.

comment to article:

Could be but there can be other interpretations as well such as alchemical. Seeing metals with rays of light can have other interpretations . i.e. , seven metals of the earth, silver for the Moon, quicksilver for …. seven rays, or seven fluidic forces that work through the metals of the earth-the coming together of soul and spirit, etc.. Unfortunately we are programmed today to see all this phenomena as a material manifestation which is one of several viewpoints and why the mark is always missed interpretively. The man in the light can represent man’s astral being imagined and even prophetic to a extent of future travel but not necessarily materialistically literal . Also on higher planes one can have imaginations based on memory. We remember material existence so we see butterflies, clothed people, buildings and those are our projections. That is why religions stress purity… i can go on.
my reply:

The reality I believe is that there are two essential components to our reality – frequency based and physical based that word in concert with one another and also have degrees of independence from one another. So to look for an explanation that is all one or the other is a limited explanation to consider. There is a huge amount of evidence of the physical universe right and to date we now have a huge amount of evidence of the frequency universe – that which we don’t automatically perceive with our normal senses. Ti and Do taught that there could be physical beings on a planet that NASA can be looking at and just not see because of the frequency these other beings vibrate on that is not detectible by humans. Part of this is what Jesus demonstrated by appearing and disappearing after he healed the human body he took after being killed so he could prove to his students he was still “flesh and bone” and yet could choose to not be visible to them which I see as likened to a chameleon that in this case can by will change the way light reflects off their cells (in that example just the outside skin cells but in the case of the designers of all these life forms can change every cell). I believe it’s part of the misinformation campaign to see things in only the frequency basis. When we pay attention to what Ti and Do taught all the pieces of the puzzle fall into place but it takes many adjustments in our consciousness to do because it’s all frankly Beyond human though to date more and more is becoming evident through sciences.

and yes, all the symbolism in history shows relationships in art and film and new thoughts and discoveries on earth, inside the earth and seas and on different planets to include the mythology, etc. because the Next Level sees to making sure links are provided so those most in pursuit of the truth find parts of it. The ones who never stop in that search yet learn to identify the constancy to Living Beings who are evolutionarily above human and above space aliens become the ones who can become prospective members of the Next Level if they align with the most recent incarnations, to date Ti and Do, but who are fully consistent with all Jesus taught and updated that Moses taught as this is all part of the schooling and birthing of new members to the Next Level.

Atlanta Green Asteroid=Sign of NASA disinformation re: CERES LIGHTS

December 19, 2015

Last week, NASA announced publicly that what they called the “bright spots” on Ceres in the Ocular Crater were some type of magnesium salts. Now people are lining up behind that announcement as a fact, as usual, because that’s what they want to believe. I even saw long-term ufologist and author, Linda Moulton Howe support NASA’s announcement. She rose to UFO fame by documenting in books the many cow mutilations in Colorado, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Montana, etc. that had been reported/investigated starting in the early to mid 1970’s that the FBI even sought to question Ti and Do about when they gave a public meeting in Colorado in 1975, thinking the then called UFO Cult could have been responsible which couldn’t have been further from the truth. She is a regular guest on Coast to Coast radio.

As a side note, around late 1987 when Do started considering going public for the second time after nearly 17 years of silence, he had us form a little video company with a steering committee that consisted of Lggody, Jwnody, Chkody, Dncody, Alxody, Srrody and Swyody. Lggody and Jwnody researched and bought two video cameras and went to several UFO conferences, one being a well-known annual one in Arkansas, perhaps Littlerock, while we lived up Boulder Canyon in Colorado. At the conference they interviewed and filmed several like Linda Moulten Howe and a Brit with the last name of English and also contacted Whitley Streiber and others. We didn’t end up doing anything with that footage but it led to Do’s attempting to figure out what Ti would have him do as was the Next Level way to ask and then try things that occurred to us or we were led to, like by observing media reports and such, after asking. Soon after that Do wrote “’88 update – The UFO Two and Their Crew” which we mailed out to a number of organizations and people.

To me this is clearly a spin as was always expected as NASA was careful not to show many of the pictures they took on this latest article and neglected to talk about the tests they did on the “lights” to determine whether they were a light source or an element reflection and at least one of the two “bright spots” was determined to be a light source. Also NASA avoided the truth about how the Dawn spacecraft first was scheduled to go to CERES – as the Hubble had taken photos of what looked like one very bright light on Ceres in 2003 and 2004 from several angles. If they were salts, how would a mere reflection of light be visible to that large degree to be seen from Hubble at 347-400 miles from Earth and thus 256+ million miles from Ceres without having a significant power source behind it to project it that far with that degree of brightness. Of course on this score, what humans don’t know they can use to their advantage if it’s in their interest to do so. They can always say it’s an element and natural emanation because of the equivalent of volcanic activity or some equivalent – something they can leave unresolved. Leaving it unresolved is fine of course as that’s the most reasonable thing to do, so why did they have to leave that position and say it’s salts unless they want to use that idea in some way. NASA is not a casual organization and became part of the department of defense during this current 21st century so unless something is genuinely leaked, which can also be directed or stimulated or allowed on purpose, it has a reason to come to the public eye or not and how it comes public.

So I suspect the Next Level stimulated this “green fireball/asteroid” near the NASA hq’s in Atlanta to enlighten what they did so that people like me who know the Next Level’s reality and follow all this space and space alien activity can point out the discrepancies in the story/observations for the sake of any who are interested in the truth to consider.

I have to admit when NASA came out with this report of the “bright spots” as salts this last time, as some suggested it in July amid the many pictures that were analyzed, though I was fairly certain due to prophecy I was analyzing at the time, regarding the “green horse” of Revelations 6 that is about to come to the fore with the next presidential election – as a part of the 7th Trump of revelations, to where what comes with this 4th horse (human vehicle) is “death” that is shown in all ways and we see being stimulated in the increases of disturbances of all kinds because of the way “truth” and Next Level reality as it comes to the fore also stimulates humans to act in all passionate (fires) ways that includes unbridled violence against themselves and others, I wondered whether the bright spots were put there or revealed by the Next Level to be seen by Hubble and could actually be some type of element’s projection of light, even the elements several countries are now looking for and trying to manufacture in places like CERN to use to power the anti-gravity spacecrafts they received from space aliens and their own models.

And even though that may be the case that these are some type of element, call it a salt, I think the Next Level Older Members and Crew (Ti and Do, and student body) do what they do in such a way to allow humans to have any interpretation they want as that then becomes an avenue for those who are the biggest seekers to have a sense of the ultimate truths which they can only really have if the Next Level gave them, perhaps as a baby a deposit of their Mind to be able to see the truth when it’s provided even though even to those it will remain a puzzle to consider.

It’s not about having absolute answers when it comes to things like this. Even if we did have what we might think is an absolute answer, if our mind was not geared to look for the creators (Next Level) in it, then it would soon diminish as an absolute answer and would fade into imagination and of no value to the Next Level as what they are doing is nurturing those they chose to help choose what they wanted that these events in space, among the sun, moon, planets, stars, etc. become “sign posts” of.

So when this asteroid was shot across the bow of Atlanta, presumably NASA and looked GREEN to people who saw it, to go with the Green (harvest) horse and all the other GREEN aspects to our times as related to Revelations 6:8 that by the way was translated inaccurately as “pale” in that verse, it seemed to me to be a sign that relate all this to whoever is interested to consider it.

By the way, there have been many lights seen all over Ceres all the more reason to believe the entire planet may very well be a Next Level base meant to be seen when the technology on Earth was able to see it (Hubble) and go to it to examine closer while still remaining a puzzle that provides the full range of choices for all of us to consider.

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/12/18/meteor-fireball-terrorizes-georgia-res

Having read this article as I always do I review the comments and found this one below that I commented to.

Commenter on article:

is that not true a big asteroid has destroyed the life of dinosaurs on the earth? some big craters are clearly visible on the different parts of the earth. its is also observed that Mars had a very advanced life but they were suddenly removed due to a big disaster, what was that? last week curiosity sent a picture showing that a big asteroid of the size of a huge mountain was collided with the surface of Mars which has been destroyed the life on the Mars planet..
it is time to turn our faces towards Almighty Allah and it is time to read Holy Book of Quran to recognized the truth. In Quran we can find many generations which were destroyed on the earth and the reasons of their destruction and crimes.

Sawyers reply to comment:

The Luciferian space aliens are the fallen angels Enoch, Moses, Isaiah and Jesus, Gautama Buddha, Mohammad (I don’t know the Quran or the Bhagavad Gita that well so can’t site specific things these said about fallen angels or “jin”), spoke about and who (Luciferians) always twisted the truth, what is real into religions when the reality is that the Creators no matter what terms we use to talk about them, Allah, Elohim, Theos, God were referring to a “many membered (physically represented angels, archangels) kingdom Above Human, actually evolutionarily above, just like plant is above mineral and animal above plant and human above animal, there is yet another strata of genuine life who created it all but who also use physical bodies they grow (made not begotten) in their environments on spacecrafts that make UFO reports of metallic crafts look primitive, whose spacecrafts can even be “living beings” as evidenced by Ezekiel’s writings and related to the Book of Revelations as well. Humans and Earth is The Kingdom of God(s) from the literal heavens (sky-outer space) experiment to grow souls to become new members of their society/community – genuine Family.
The fact that this asteroid was reported as making a huge  green flash over Atlanta at this time is a sign to me and especially since NASA just distorted the truth about the “lights” on Ceres where Ceres (Roman) like Demeter (Greek) refers to the goddess of the harvest that is coming into full fruition with the next U.S. presidential election that coincides with the “green horse” of Rev 6:8 following the black/blue (democratic) horse that is being fulfilled by Barak Obama with the endless financial crisis and the red/ruddy (republican) horse fulfilled by G.W. Bush with endless global war on terror (they (US and allies) stimulated in Iraq, Afghanistan and many places in the middle east – especially since the start of the 20th century), though everyone has responsibility for propagating since the start of the current civilization.
I have a huge amount to say about this because it’s clear to me that those called the Father and Jesus already returned in the new physical human bodies who took the names Ti and Do, a Woman (Rev 12) and male, her “son” she births to the throne, this being the One who last served in the physical vehicle named Jesus.
I mean no disrespect for the Quran and Mohammad, but the full truth is that Jesus was the last one (before Ti and Do) to provide the most truth about the reality of what Ti and Do referred to in plainer terms (as Jesus said he would upon his return) “The Evolutionary Level Above Human”.
Ti and Do have since left their incarnations (in carnal=in the flesh as/like the “son of man” (offspring human, man faced, blood in face) as they came to take their first fruits through their “spirit birth” – actually graduation from the human evolutionary kingdom but they are still working closely with all who can SEE/HEAR them through their 25 years of what they said and did.
I can prove what I say by ALL the prophecy and would like to expand that to all the prophecy in the Quran if someone could help me with it since I don’t  have it’s contents on my mind like I do the Torah and New Testament prophecies.
It’s interesting that you use a white horse in your icon. Do (doe, from the notes of the song the sound of music – the Rev 14 “song”) came sitting on a “white horse” which had a “white head and hair” physical human vehicle – the people that largely came from Magog, the third who migrated from the Kingdom of Juda and spread out their genes throughout the world, but mostly to Europe and then to the U.S. for the location of the Kingdom of God’s return as Jesus indicated would not be to the middle east again because they always killed those sent to that location. He took this white vehicle to overcome/conquer it – perhaps the “race” that had become the most Luciferian in behavior and ways, though all humans are under the programming from the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens, though are all given equal chances to rise out of as one must overcome all racial consciousness and ethnic consciousness and religious identity and human mammalian behaviors and ways to graduate into the Level Above Human via the direction from the Older Members who come incarnate from that Kingdom and who always talk about what’s required to graduate that is always twisted into a country club like religion but that acts as a filter of those who are ready to “purify” (make white as in holy/light) – not racial coloration to become students towards their graduation, which today will be by going through the “winepress”.
There is so much to say but they exited (Ti and Do and their 38+4 first fruit true “saints” their incarnations in march of 1997 seen by the world over as the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” – the ONLY total truth group. They layed down their lives completely voluntarily as I can prove as I was with them for 19 years but failed to graduate my class but was given another chance via their coming to me in dreams to help me. Anyway I am nobody except in how I can be a servant of Ti and Do until I leave. You can find Ti and Do’s information all over the internet – youtube.
Overcoming is actually a metamorphosis like the caterpillar to a butterfly. It does require at least beginning to separate from the human caterpillar world. The task today is to learn all about Ti and Do and believe everything they said and taught and believe that they are the latest representatives from the creators’ kingdom who created everything and all life forms and then to “take a stand in defense of that belief and sustain that stand until our exit of our physical vehicle no matter how that occurs, accepting the consequences of doing so”.
There is no group to join, no person on earth to follow, nothing to buy, no government to support. The most proof of what I say will only be provided to those who ask our Father in the literal heaven’s in deep outer space where no humans or space aliens are permitted for the truth and then watch for the hints of proof that will be given and choose their recognition from the One True Kingdom of God, Level Above Human. Peace be unto you, the peace of our Heavenly Fathers, the peace of Ti and Do.