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DO Audio Transcript – Inverness CA May 1994 – Part 4 of 8 – Controlling Our Thoughts, Eyes, Ears and Hands

July 13, 2019
(Transcribed by Nisha – Edited by Sawyer)
DO: What about that door?
Drr: I’m not sure – we can close it.
DO: you probably could hear someone approaching better if we didn’t?
Chk: …think… haven’t come up…
DO: okay
DO: Let’s talk for a few minutes about application of technique of change, becoming a new creature I hate to even use that term because it sounds like some spiritual process. Well I guess it is because it’s getting rid of the old spirit and bringing in the new Next Level stuff.

It’s interesting to me that, in the night I was – well I told you in last night’s meeting that the Next Level Mind probably had the shape of, you know arms and legs, the image that we think of… Oh was that the mic?

Student: Yeah.

DO: Oh, I’ll try to keep my hands off of it.

This sounds a little crazy and sounds a little far out and not information I’m saying is gospel but the thought that occurred to me that the Next Level Mind can take on whatever shape, can take over the shape of the vehicle that will service it for the task that is assigned.

Theoretically, probably then, outside of any vehicle, that Mind can very easily just be a blob if it wasn’t into a vehicle to function, according the mechanism of a vehicle, and of course the mechanism of the vehicle is, just as a computer has certain hardware, certain software just as the human animal we occupy now has a brain that has certain capacities, and the electrical system of it and that different vehicles have different systems that can handle the task, so the reason I guess that was given to me was because it helped me understand that what we had identified TI as – in the time that when these in the class associated with TI in a physical vehicle we felt we pictured TI as the vehicle that she was wearing, well ‘she’ not TI, was wearing, because the vehicle was ‘she’, TI certainly wasn’t ‘she’.

And yet the picture I had that when TI – when the allotment for the amount of TI that was to be given away or taken – in other words I take I take from TI – this is you know when you take nourishment from your Older Member you actually take the Mind. It goes in, it fills you it’s the Mind its stuff that comes through me and there is an allotment of that Mind for this task just as there’s an allotment as far as what was assigned to TI’s vehicle. Now I don’t necessarily know all that was in TI’s vehicle at any given time was all of that allotment or if TI could draw from certain amount of other allotment but when that allotment ran out then that’s all there was for that allotment of that task.

But that allotment that was given was not TI at all. It was that little portion of TI that was allotted for that task that we identified with.
So, if there was a little of TI left at the time that the vehicle collapsed then that little blob just went and added back to the blob that is TI. Do you follow what I’m saying?

And would probably had been enough of a blob to add to the vehicle that was TI to have in the memory of the task.

So that then TI used to always say that she — that there was part of TI in spacecraft or there was part of TI and Do in spacecraft. So it helped — well this is kind of corny but a bunch of Jesus’ disciples left him when he started saying you know: “Unless you drink My blood and eat My flesh you know you won’t enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” and it was unless you take that Mind unless you use it as nourishment unless it becomes a part of you unless it’s the building blocks for your own mind – your possession, it’s not really yours, it’s Next Level Mind but it’s yours for the time that you have it within your keeping. And like we spoke of last night and unless you abuse it then it’s taken away from you.

Even when it’s taken from you there still remains a memory in the hardware of what was there and like there’s some students now that were in the classroom for an extended period of time and are not in the classroom and yet they’re plagued by what is still in their memory bank. It disturbs them because they know that what they knew it was right and that they knew that it was true and they try to get rid of it because in order to be comfortable in the world they don’t like to be plagued with this being true because there’s conflict for a student to try and get comfortable back in the world. Some of you know what I’m talking about?(*class laughs*)

Okay let’s talk about the technique of expelling Mind that is not compatible Mind that we have to abort in order to receive more Mind.
By the way, I felt like I gave a lot away last night now I couldn’t have given it away had you not drank it. Had you not pulled it in and in other words… I was trying to give it away and you took it. And I could feel that a great deal of it was taken from me and that makes me very very happy, for you! Because the more that I give away the closer I’m getting to the completion of my task and the more you’re becoming products that can be viable or individuals that can be viable and not need to worry about losing your life as long as you’re hooked.

When you can stay hooked on the Next Level and that’s all you want and you’re hooked on your Older Members and you’re hooked on others who are doing this and there’s such a bond there, such a new grafting that’s taking place and you’re hooked then you’re in an excellent position to grow very quickly and to receive a lot and you– whoops, sorry (*mic problem*)

Okay I still haven’t got around what I wanted to talk about and I said that 60 minute tape would be adequate.

Okay some real practical application. I think what you want to get into the regular habit of doing is start sustaining a consciousness 24 hours a day of examining the quality of what is in your head and examining: Are the thoughts that I’m thinking compatible with my Older Members Mind? Are they thoughts of the Next Level or are they thoughts of the world?

In other words, am I – is it a mixture that’s oil and water and doesn’t mix. In other words examine what is in your Mind, examine what is in the impulses of the animal that you’re wearing. And this can be done, this primarily has to be done in your silence. You don’t have to sit and twiddle your thumbs or be in a meditative state it’s whatever you’re doing wherever you’re going – whether your doing Fibre-Lab or vital signs or working in Consuming Lab if you were to examine the quality of the thoughts that are passing through your head and make a habit of examining them and sorting them out as: “this is appropriate, this is inappropriate” and aborting those things that are not–now how do I abort?

You have to, you have to kind of format your language and the strength of impression behind your language just as you would have a delete key on your computer when you say “get out!” or “Good night I don’t want that” or “Stop it!” or “get out of here” now “Get out of here” is probably one of the most used phrases in our whole word processing now first of all we probably recognize it and say oh good might! I didn’t realize what I was entertaining — so when it becomes distasteful and you recognize that it’s not compatible with Next Level Mind or Older Members Mind then you immediately delete or say get out. Actually, run it out it is like a presence that can be run out. I won’t call it a living presence because I can’t really think that the Mind of this world has seekers status – this is living matter that you’re putting in now, that’s not living matter but nevertheless it is a blob of information that does respond to your command in the same way that spirits are run off when you exorcize spirits or whatever.
You actually have to give commands for that thought to leave you. If the thought doesn’t leave you then you have to command again. If you have to verbally aloud say get out of here, do it. Well try not to let the whole block hear what you’re saying (*class laughs*)  but if you have to verbalize it do it have no hesitation. Your partners will certainly know what’s going on. They will be very comfortable with you saying get out because you’re going to hear them doing the same thing and I’ll be worried about them if they aren’t doing the same thing.

So, filter, examine what is in you head. Habitually examine the vibrations of what is in your head. Now just clutter is just as much a detriment to you as very distasteful things. Just clutter –  stuff that is of no value. You know running old tapes of old jobs that your vehicle had back in the world or old tapes of other members of the litter of the animal you’re wearing or old tapes of anything of the world.

Old tapes of things you saw on television. Just clutter because when clutter is in there you’re listening to it, it’s noise. Even if you’re not paying much attention, it’s noise. If you have noise in here then you can’t listen. You’re not really in a condition of asking and listening. So, to start off with you have to get the screen blank and the only way you’re gonna get the screen blank is to abort, abort, abort until the screen is blank. Now it’s going to be hard for some of you to sustain blank without it being a hard blank. Now, what I mean by a hard blank is when you have a hard blank it’s hard for good stuff to come in.

When it’s a clear, when it’s just clear. I hate to use that term though because many of these EST and other methods you know Scientology you know (they) say just ‘get clear’. What is it that scientology uses? that um–

Student: E-metre?

DO: No.. They say–

Student: It’s the reactive?

DO: Yes, the reactive mind! If you can get rid of the reactive mind. And you know, there’s a lot of truth to that. Alot of truth because impulses of the vehicle, that’s reactive mind. Because just impulses of the vehicle that’s reactive mind you know if the vehicle sees something it goes across the screen and you just let it pass because you’ve never disciplined yourself to not let it pass so you have to keep examining that screen – is there clutter in there? is there garbage in there? is it distasteful or is it just unnecessary because I can’t really be in a position to ask for things and expect to get answers if I have clutter there.

Eyes are a major aspect of control with the brain. Control of the eyes. When the animal you are wearing was out in the world it was free to look at anything and humans do not discipline what they let it look at – some are more invasive by staring even to the point of embarrassing others because people are aware that they’re staring – others will glance out of the side of the eye and you can tell by the quality of the glance that the thought wasn’t too desirable of a thought but controlling of the eyes — The eyes believe it or not, will go to something that the vehicle is attracted to without giving you any signals. I mean there’s no signal there the eyes will go it and you’ll think what in the world are you going to that for? Because the animal is just responding that way.

Now if we’re gonna break this horse and we’re only going to make it respond when we give it signals then we have to catch it in the act of everything that it does so that the eyes aren’t darting to wherever they want to dart you have to make it and you will find that that animal you’re wearing that if you make the eyes go this way it’ll try to prove to you that it’ll only be obedient for a second and then it’ll get its eyes back over there so you have to force it and so this is a practice you can do even when there isn’t much attraction for the eye.

When it’s just a mild attraction for the eye to go here – I mean even if it’s admiring scenery or whatever it is that the eye wants to go to then don’t let the eye go there – learn not to let it go there. Learn to let the eye look at what you want it to. So when it darts back or wants to get that last glance, you know a good exercise is if someone’s walking down the street or a bicycle and the eye wants to go to it, just because of motion! The eye will even be attracted to what it is that’s going down the road and as soon as you recognize the eye wants to go there force it– and don’t even let the eye look through peripheral vision. If necessary look far enough away that there’s no peripheral vision. Don’t even let it get away with peripheral vision. This is the beginning of discipline of the eyes and what you permit to let go through your head you don’t get anywhere if you don’t engage this.

Tllody has had to work with a genetic computer that is a very rough discipline for him because genetically his computer, if he would let it, would just talk to it even when there’s nothing to say, will just run old tapes in his mouth and just want to move and then it will pace you know if it’s restless it’ll want to pace and talk and pace and it’ll look and you know that’s a rough vehicle to have to quiet down and calm down and calm down to a point where you’re not an explosive that is bottled up you know this isn’t calming down. (DO animates and class laughs)

It’s aborting this restlessness so that when you’re still there’s not an explosion to happen it’s aborting the restlessness to get out so that you can be calm. You don’t have to let the machinery just you know run like a what is it a Screen saver?

You know some of you have a Screen saver just going all the time or if it’s, what’s his name, Joe?

Student: Johnny Castaway?

DO: Johnny Castaway! he’s in motion all the time and that’s where your brain will be if you let it be that way so we have to exercise and even make a game of it you can enjoy the practice of controlling the eyes.

You can control the ears, now the ears aren’t nearly as difficult a problem as the eyes now it depends on the addictions of the vehicle if the vehicle was attracted to certain rhythms or sounds of music or sounds of human voices or whatever it is then you have to deal with that too so your not letting the ears hear only what the ears want to hear or what your demanding the ears to hear instead of what the ears want to hear. So the ears are much milder discipline.

The hands are a rougher discipline than the ears the hands want to do things that you don’t want it to do. The vehicles hands like to do things that you don’t want it to do. Whether to reach out and caress someone or reach out or caress the vehicle that you’re wearing and I’ll use some crude terminology here that I think does me a favor and can do you a favor that one of the major things that we deal with is getting the vehicle under control as far as sensuality is concerned and sensuality to me is almost too dignified of a term for the animal behavior and I almost feel like the only thing it can works is to think of it as the vehicle wanting to play with its ‘pee-pee’ now, laugh with me on this, don’t get heavy duty on me (*class laughs*) I’m serious if you get heavy duty then the vehicle is like oh my goodness how can Do say such a thing? (*class laughs*).

But to me the plumbing is a pee pee, you know, it’s plumbing to get rid of fluid if you’ve had too much water or juices and it’s just a plumbing for fluid and if you can think of it as the animal that you’re wearing is such a baby that all it wants to do is still play with its pee pee when it gets into sensuality. It puts it in a different department and you feel like slapping the darn thing because it’s just at that level. You don’t want to elevate it by giving into “sensory things” or “sexuality” or “romance” (said with drama) or whatever all these glorified terms for playing with its reproductive organs.

When the Lord gave the command to go and multiply, He was talking to the horses not the riders. They were talking to the horses, not the riders. Riders come in when it’s time to take over the horses and it’s totally inappropriate – when there’s a rider reproduction is out of the question.

I mean, any of the activity that went with reproduction is out of the question once a rider has been assigned to a horse. A rider has no instruction in that department. Now it is insulting to the rider to think in the thoughts of reproductivity or satisfying the senses by activity that was pornographic to the Next Level to begin with. One of the worst things that Luciferians even brought into this world was changing reproductive activity into hedonistic activity just to satisfy the senses. Now even churches are putting out books upon the value of masturbation and things of that nature.

Now I don’t know if you’re aware of it but a Lutheran church recently put out a manual on the – I don’t know, there’s several Lutheran churches you know the Missouri center and this and that. But when I read of that I was appalled! that they could think of that as something of value, now as of value against what?

Now, I don’t know what the alternative would be. But for us that kind of, now don’t get heavy duty on me, don’t get serious on me. Keep this as what it is – as childish as trite as beneath you activity. If you get serious then you can easily be victimized by thoughts of this nature. It is animal behavior. When you see an animal do you get heavy like: “Oh my goodness an animal” like a Cocker spaniel coming up and licking you you’re not like “uh.. what a terrible vibration animal” it’s silly!, it’s just a little puppy. And if you would treat this animal that you’re wearing that it’s impulses are just silly and ridiculous and beneath you and when it tries to respond that way then you just go right to its information center and say: “Stop it, I’m not going to permit that behavior, I’m in here! I’m the rider here and you do only what I direct you to do and that kind of behavior is totally inappropriate.”

It will challenge you and challenge you and challenge you until it knows that you meant what you were saying. And you have not gotten anywhere in that particular department until it knows that you mean business.

When you participate in the kind of drunkenness and I mean literal drunkenness – the act of reproduction – the act of a sensuous act lowers your vibration right down to animal level. Any decent Mind that was in your package had to abort to even permit you to do that and the recovery time from that act after you have permitted yourself to participate in that animal act is a difficult recovery time. So the faster that you get a hold of this and learn to do whatever it takes to get a hold of it. Let’s say you get attacked in the middle of the night, don’t get heavy duty about it. But, if it’s trying to attack you and you’re tempted to get heavy duty about it, go wake up your partner. Say “Partner, sit up here and talk to me or let’s read together or let’s write Links a note together, let’s do something. Help me out here I’m just about to lose control – I don’t know what’s going on with this stupid animal I’ve got here that wants to keep my thoughts preoccupied in this nature”.

And because this act is just as difficult of any addiction to heroin or morphine or any drug that you can think of to break if your vehicle was accustomed to participate in this to any significant degree.

This is what causes addiction because the vehicle likes the buzz even though it was never intended to be designed for that. As far as I can tell, I hope I don’t have to repeat this kind of discussion because to me it lowers my vibration to talk about these things with you and I’m sure it’s lowering yours because of the thoughts that flash through your minds when I have to talk about these things but I want you to learn that if you can stay light, if you can consider it ridiculous and keep it beneath you, that you can consider it a puppy activity. I mean, why would you want to do what the puppy wants to do? I mean are we that low that we have to let the puppy tell us what it wants to do? And that we then have to struggle to return to the vehicle that the puppy has just knocked it’s thermometer down to there is no mercury in the tube just because we let the puppy do.

You know when you begin to see when you get payoff for discipline when you can control what’s in your head, control what your eyes are doing and you can ask for what you need because you can always ask the Next Level for what you need and what you get won’t always be pleasant but it’s what you need. And frequently what you need is another test in this department or the other, in order for you to show that you are developing.

What they want is developed muscle against animal behavior – muscle that proves that the only thing I want in my container is the Mind of the Next Level that comes through Members of the Next Level because I want to be a Member of the Next Level.

Now a Member of the Next Level is someone who can sustain being a Member of the Next Level. By staying dependant upon its graft and sustaining the behavior that finds — (*tape cuts off*)

Student: We were about 30 (minutes)

DO: 30?, okay. Now one thing you have to work so hard at is old habits. In the human world a bad habit is having one face when they’re with their loved ones or when they’re with their teachers or when they’re with their church they put one face and when they’re off by themselves they put on another face. When they’re with someone they want to gossip with then there’s a 3rd face. This little pettiness that goes on. Then in their closets or in their bathroom they like to play with their silly vehicle. You’ve got to be one face – you’ve got to be just as close to your Older Member and it sounds crude, but when you’re sitting on the pot or when you’re bathing your body in the shower, just as close to your Older Member that your Older Member will be just as pleased with the way your treating that task you’re doing right then. Just as pleased with where your head is and where your vibration is and keeping it there.

Get in the habit of getting into the habit of examining the quality of your thoughts. Not in the peak days you know those times of the days when it’s easy to think about the higher stuff. We all have times in the day when it’s easier to think about the higher stuff.

One thing to do, think about the higher stuff when the vehicle wants to think about the lower stuff. Now It has become a habit in most human vehicles to think about the lower stuff the darker it gets, in the middle of the night. For some reason that’s some kind of habit that it likes to do or if it’s off by itself.

One of the remedies we try to do is not to get separate. You want to get uncomfortable separate there’s nothing wrong with using your partnership and using your other crew members as reinforcement for your sustaining Next Level vibration use their presence there. When you’re dealing with something, tell your partner. Your partner should be telling you and you should be telling your partner that when you see me doing something that’s not Next Level ways I wanna know about it, I really want to know. And then when they tell you, you get defensive like (*growling*).

And they say, well I thought you said you wanna know about it? It doesn’t sound like you want to know about it. So at that time hop back in there and say you’re right. I apologize for being defensive. That was the animal talking. I’m glad that you told me because you wouldn’t have told me had there not been some truth to what you were observing. And I’m put to the test. I don’t want that which you are bringing up to me.

Depend upon your partners and depend upon your classmates it is your duty to comply with their requests and wishes when your partner asks for help and tell them, don’t say “well I’ll tell them maybe tomorrow or the next day when they’re in a little better frame of mind”. You’ve lost two days.

When there is a better frame of mind, there’s no progress that gets made.  When I’m in a good frame of mind there’s no work when accepting help. When I’m being helped and it’s hard for me to accept help and I change in order to be accepting of that help I return immediately and apologize for my poor response and thank them for it, then I’m making progress. Change is occurring. I am forcing the vehicle to break its habit of defensive responses. And it’s reluctance to accept criticism. You’re not going to get anywhere if you don’t at a very accelerated pace get into a mode where you like criticism. Where you welcome criticism and you get beyond responding defensively. Don’t you want to know if there’s anything about you that differs from the next level or your older members? Say yes when you’re siting in church but what about the rest of the time?

We can’t have periods of the day when we’re the good guys and other periods when we’re the bad guys. This technique is really really really valuable to you if you do not exercise it the very areas that are your problem areas, will not change. As long as those problem areas remain they will be areas that put separation between you and other members of the Next Level, you and your classmates to a certain degree and certainly your Older Members.

When you have this animal under control so much so that it doesn’t reek of any animal characteristics and you can sustain that around the clock and you have restraint and willingness and pleasant countenance then you are ready and willing to do what they will have you do.

I’ll tell you, I know how much I would enjoy having you in my presence because I can feel that but even if you are that during a period of the day and you let your vibration go way down during other periods of the day you still bring some of that lower quality with you even during the peaks of that day. In other words you have to establish a track record you’ve got to get past any regularity of letting destructive or negative thoughts occupy your head or let your hands go where they shouldn’t or let your eyes go where they shouldn’t or entertaining thoughts that are inappropriate.

The hardest thing— Now some of you are writing CSR’s as far as I’m aware I haven’t had any negative thoughts and I said then you’re blind. Frequently I read those reports and know that you’re blind. You’re not lying to me but you’re not even aware of negative thought that you have that is still negative its not as negative as it used to be so your new measure of it is another way of entertaining negative thoughts. I entertain negative thoughts. I fight negative thoughts. Everyday, all the time I fight negative thoughts but don’t forget my microscope is ten times more powerful than yours and I get it down as low as I can get it with the most magnification and that’s what you’re trying to do you’re trying to increase the magnification of characteristic that are still trying to be present with you that differ from the Next Level.

So, spend time, several times a day reviewing techniques, filtering out, learning to sort out what am I permissive of in my head? Clutter? Old tapes to run? Imagery? Things that are animal or of this world not of the Next world? Am I comfortable remaining calm? Can I be comfortable can I be pleasant and can I be alert and keen or am I alert and keen when I’m so hyper that all kinds of static is coming through my head you don’t want to be so subdued in your calm that a bit of tiredness can come in or a bit of laziness or slovenness You can stay keen and alert and present without being too much one way or too much the other.

That’s the extent of the meeting…

Which many of you will at times when you’re fighting battles of doubt and battles of is this just another bunch of poppy cock or another religious approach or I’m sure Do was well meaning and TI was well meaning well no matter what form your doubts can come to you because doubts used to attack TI and me probably more than the students because we didn’t want to have anybody on the trip, we didn’t want to mislead anyone or be the instruments of misleading someone so we were constantly doubting ourselves and then even when we would listen to that doubt if being right down to nothing that nothingness still said we can’t do anything other than this. This is all there is to us. That if this is not reality then as far as we can tell this is as close to reality as we can get that this is – now I’m talking doubt, talking doubt this is not the way my mind, the word processor works at lowest moments its like there is nothing else at those lowest moments this is like you can scream to the Next Level.

Now I’m afraid TI and I still scream to the Next Level, we didn’t scream to call some other creature in to try to lead us astray of course the Next Level very safely took us through this because they had us examine every concept you could get sidetracked on, any concept you could get hooked on along the way. Whether it was every religious idea, every eastern religion every new age thing you could possibly examine we went into we went into in earnest, and practiced everything we could think of to practice and at a very accelerated pace learned this isn’t it, this isn’t what I’m after it’s a dead end it doesn’t lead anywhere. Wherever this finds us this is where we must put our whole effort and when you get to that point then influences don’t like it when you’re at that point because they know they can’t have you but the worst thing they could do to you is maybe have you weakened for a period, have you down to a place where all you’re saying is well ‘I don’t care’ I don’t care what exists this is like if I have a chance this is my best chance if there is a chance for me to be of some service to whatever there is I mean otherwise I’ll have to believe there is not. I have to believe that a totally agnostic view.

A completely — you know this vehicle used to spend a lot of time with Unitarians and associated a lot and worked in Unitarian churches and I could not believe that those individuals were willing to accept that all there is is what I pass onto my offspring that the only extension of me is what goes on in that offspring and if that is all there is and that when this life is over I can say it was well spent, I did the best I could do I was a good humanitarian, bye bye. I couldn’t buy that. Not in my wildest dream could I buy that to me all I have to do is to the observation window in surgery and see what’s going on even as a doctor works on a human vehicle and sees the absolute magic of even this crude animal we’re wearing to see the kind of invention it is I can’t in my wildest dreams believe that just happened, not by design not by some department in some level greater and higher than human – now I know better, I know better. I can’t deny things I know even in my weakest moments I can’t deny them.

So I hope this has been helpful to you in what you have to deal with. Now sometimes all these things just seem like fanciful ideas and maybe what you deal with the most are just the pangs of vehicular separation from the other parts of it’s plants of the vehicle or the pangs of old indulgences that used to give certain satisfaction or the pangs of just not the fun of running wild and what it was to just run wild instead of being part of a unit that function as a unit, that’s a big adjustment to function as a unit particularly when you’ve worked so hard some of you in the world to learn to not let others impose upon you and you finally become independent and then become of something that doesn’t want independence even though Next Level won’t let us get rid of a certain degree of volition or choice of will and therefore we, even though we’d like to be totally dependant Next Level says, that means you wouldn’t do any work on your own – You don’t do any overcoming on your own. Okay. Yes go ahead.

Rkkody: is this a good time to ask a question?

DO: Yes.

Rkkody: Lggody was talking about a hologram, analogy of this planet and possibly this universe as being a kind of a hologram like one of those Star Trek movies where they and a whole civilization I think it was a planetoid that had a whole community that was a projection from this machine and in trying to get that straight in my head.

DO: well ah… (tape ends).

DO Audio Transcript – Inverness 5-24-1994 part 5 of 5 – Earth as a type of Holodeck

July 3, 2019
DO Audio Transcript – Inverness 5-24-1994 part 5 of 5 – Earth as a type of Holodeck

Summary: talks about the earth as a “hologram” like in the Star Trek holodeck – hard matter or not. How easily the Next Level can recycle and choose what parts to recycle. Luciferians are part of the “hologram” and with recycling evaporating them and having a new crop of them to serve as the negative in the new garden. Mentioned the idea of a rectangular earth in the midst of the waters.

(Transcribed by Nisha – Edited by Sawyer)

Do: If something serves a purpose and works as a design as to whether or not it can be wiped out pushing a button within a lab in the Next Level and all that was really something that —

Lets take a hologram situation like in ‘Star Trek’ – you go up to the holodeck and you can experience things and while you’re on the holodeck it’s real! And those are real experiences and real lessons and you’re actually in the time of the hologram and therefore everything in it matches with the lesson of that time and that period. Of what value is it to think it has to be of hard matter that could not be wiped out? You see what I’m saying?

Because I believe that the Next Level is completely capable of pushing a button and wiping it out now I think that they have on their keyboard though, they have one red button over here that could wipe out a whole galaxy if They wanted to but they also have lesser buttons that can wipe out all the plants on planet earth if they wanted to – if they wanted to just quickly recycle planet earth so it was sent then the nutrients to be a garden again but I believe that they can actually — they evaporate – its just can be designed to not be there anymore and it’s restored to a ball of water that had a rectangular body matter of earth and then it separated and separated its purpose and it served a function of a fertile garden. This fertile garden, I can’t believe otherwise it’s due a recycling I mean it is spent. It has been so destroyed. It’s environment, the mind of it on the planet, everything about it needs recycling.

And so why not? What’s the big deal? The Next Level — anything that is of value on the planet, I think they also have a button to pull off anything of value that they wanna keep just like you do on you’re computer. You can tab certain things that you can extract from there then delete anything else. And anything that is of any value that they wanna save I think they can easily extract and then everything else evaporates and then they start a fresh. A new crop of Luciferians come in because the old one has no use anymore. They’ve gotten too perverted.

Arrody: Does that mean in any way that the Luciferians themselves could be part of the program or part of the hologram?

Do: Oh, absolutely.

Student: That they’re kinda like —

Do: Nothing gets out of the hologram. Except that, which gets into the Next Level. As far as I’m concerned nothing gets out except what’s going to the Next Level.

Student: So Lucifer is really just a bug in the hologram that you want to keep fighting against.

Do: Oh, absolutely. When you seperate from the Next Level, when you separate from the Next Level, either the Next Level separates you then they have a choice whether they have purpose in keeping you. In other words letting you serve a certain purpose even as a negative. But when you separate then there is no life in you, there’s no truth in you there is no part of Them but you are seperate but can serve a purpose for them in certain developments of gardens. Tllody.

Tllody: I wonder how long it took him to figure out when he got kicked out how much he didn’t know, how much he – much he didn’t take into consideration. He tried put vehicles together and wouldn’t work to have eternal life.

Do: Say your question again?

Tllody: Well I wonder how long after he got booted out — you know, he thought he knew alot of things. How long did it take him to figure out these are the things he didn’t know and how long it took those things to catch up with him.

Do: Well, I’m not sure. He would have to have some more good Mind in him to know the limits of what he didn’t have – to know that he was restricted. So he probably still works at thinking that he might be able to accomplish what he has in mind accomplishing. Had he known the truth and not had ignorance that had him seperate, he would never have seperated in the beginning. So he had to seperate in the degree of ignorance of thinking you know; ‘I’m tired of this monarchy I’m going to form my own monarchy’. But I don’t believe that happened as much as the Next Level says ‘I’ve had it with you, and you’re out of here’.

Then in order to exist you have to exist defensively. I mean you have to defend your position to then have to create the world with what you’re capable of drawing upon. And of course what he was capable of drawing on was extremely limited by Next Level standards. He has to make concoctions and use things that were never designed to be used in the way he uses them. Therefore the end product is always a mess. Okay.
Trsody?

Trsody: I just, it was an observation that probably exposed my eyes rather than have them controlled but I noticed a bumper sticker the other day that said ‘Restore Wanda Wanda land’ which I thought was pretty appropriate because that’s, I think the term that they used for the little rectangular earth.

Do: Okay, wow that’s interesting. See you in a little.

TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA – 5-22-94 parts 1 and 2

April 24, 2019
TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA  – 5-22-94 parts 1 and  2
Here are two transcripts of meetings DO gave on May 22, 1994
The context is the first half of the period of time when DO’s Class were holding public meetings from January 1994 to Aug/Sept. 1994. The meeting was primarily for the “new ones” who had just joined by then.
******* PART ONE *******
DO audio transcript – Mt. Cross, California – part 1 of 2 – 5-22-94 – Asking Next Level for help – Deposits and Souls
Originally transcribed by Nisha
Edited by Sawyer (Swy) Classroom name: Swyody))
DO: We’re still waiting to hear from Snnody and from Gbbody on their way down from Eugene but they are trying to get here tonight.
I’m going to address our conversations to the ‘new ones’ and when I say the new ones I mean new ones in the past few months or since we began to hold meetings and to returnees because we have several return students and since I saw some of those students we’ve had a lot of updates in our information. It’s very interesting how our information… we don’t ever get any absolute information, we don’t ever get anything that’s true but we get some that’s true for the moment. It’s always updated. We always find after we get something that we’re excited about understanding then a short time later we get something new and it out-dates that and makes it obsolete. But what we’re so excited about is the new information that is true for the time that it’s true. So some of the students that were with Me and TI for years will find that we’ve had quite a number of updates.
I’m going to ask that you good little students sit up straight and don’t cross your legs and don’t slouch and don’t do your hands like this (motion) because we don’t have any techniques as far as how to hold our hands when receiving information.
(*talking about where certain students are*)
For starters I want the new ones in particular to have no hesitation about asking me questions. Raise your hands and as soon as I get to a moment when I can stop I’ll acknowledge your question. Don’t worry about whether your question seems stupid or insignificant or if you just want to hear whatever DO has to say I’m very interested in what you’re asking and where your questions are because that helps me out a lot to know out where we can interface and how I can help you.
Now, it takes a long time in this classroom, and some students that have been in the classroom a long time still have difficulty in listening because to Me and to TI, listening means that you don’t let your wheels turn while you’re listening you’re just receiving. Instead of every time you receive something if you then listen to the assimilation of that and how that thought affects all your other programming for the time you’re listening to that you’re not listening to me. So it’s hard to get into a mode where you’re simply just receiving and trying not to let the assimilation of your computer hinder your further listening.
We’re going to talk about things that humans don’t know how to talk about and they not only don’t talk about but there’s no structure in their logic to understand some of the things that we’re going to talk about. Human logic is to the Next Level like an elementary school is to high-school and there’s some things that we simply don’t understand like.. Let me give you an example: the Next Level does things that at times really challenge our understanding of fairness. Because they know how to judge what They do in ways we would really question the fairness of.. Let me give you an example.. Well maybe that’s too big of an example.. Some of you have — goodness I don’t know where to start!
Let’s go to the little thought of reincarnation and get rid of it so we can move on to some of the things that will have you understanding a little more of some of the things that we’re going to talk about.
For years and years TI and I thought that reincarnation applied to every Soul and that Souls even came up from domesticated animals and if those Souls only wanted to be with human beings and didn’t like being with their pack anymore. Let’s say if a dog was in a human family and the dog didn’t like the other dogs and considered himself a human and only liked to please his human masters then we thought: well that soul might move right up to the human family and take a human vehicle and stand in line for it.
Now I have a different understanding of that now and I’m still adjusting to the new understanding of it because it has so many implications and this new understanding is, a soul, what we call a soul what we’re going to use the term ‘soul’ for is something that happens to an individual that has received a little chip or little deposit from the Next Level that begins then to form a different container for information than a vehicle had before.
A human vehicle its mechanism its genetic background its environment when the vehicle expresses its genetic background, it’s education then what it is expressing is an audible manifestation of the spirit of the vehicle. Now I’m using spirit in the term that you’re probably accustomed to hearing (the word) Soul used. And believe it or not I’m trying to use the word spirit in a term that isn’t spiritual and that’s kinda funny to play with but let’s just redefine the term ‘spirit’ and I find is the most accurate definition of (the word) spirit is that my spirit or your spirit is the manifestation of what my package is.
In other words my genetic background, what I’ve learned in my environment the education that I’ve been through that there’s an invisible kind of plasma, and I don’t want to get spiritual here but there’s an invisible manifestation of me that forms, that is actual substance though we can’t discern it scientifically only because of human limitations. I’m sure the Next Level can easily discern it scientifically but that spirit then when a human body or vehicle dies that spirit then leaves that body and that spirit is the sum total of information and judgment and whatever that individual was at the time the vehicle left or the vehicle collapsed and then that spirit can be in what we call the ‘discarnate world’ and that spirit can then invade other vehicles if other vehicles will permit it to invade it will invade other vehicles. And in that sense even theoretically that possibility exists that spirits of animals which would be the invisible manifestation of what they were, their intelligence, their judgment those spirits also leave those animals so the invisible is filled with spirits.
Now let’s say that the Next Level has a garden and they start the garden clean and there are no vehicles and therefore no vehicles have died and there are no spirits so when vehicles then collapse or can no longer function then a spirit begins to associate in the spirit world. And depending upon the relationship it might have with a vehicle or the desire that was in that spirit will depend upon whether that spirit will time share with a vehicle whether it be a human vehicle or any other animal type vehicle.
Now at a given time in history then the Next Level comes and they can wipe out the vehicles, eliminate the spirits. I’m sure if they wanted to could come even while the vehicles are running all over the planet and take masses of spirits away if they chose to eliminate some of the unseen world, this surpasses human logic but these spirits of their own volition will do things that the Next Level has it designed that they’re doing those things – permits us an opportunity for growth.
Now, let’s say an example and this is just hypothetical: let’s say one of your vehicles recently lost what the vehicle would’ve considered a loved one and that loved one of the vehicle was lost and so that individual went into the spirit world. Now what happens to that one individual when it goes into the spirit world is dependent on what that individual thinks is going to happen to it when it goes into the spirit world. Like if it believed in Ekankar and its going to create its own Ekankar then it goes with other Ekankars and they find their Ekankar and they do their Ekankar and that’s what it wants.
If they consider that they were going to Heaven or they were going to serve as guardian angel or whatever — to what degree they are permitted — I think some spirits are actually shocked when they get into the discarnate world because they find it, they thought they would go to some place else and that it would be some kind of environment that, whatever they thought, whether it was harps on clouds or meeting all the Saints from past history or whatever they anticipated and I think some are shocked and have to adjust to being here on this planet and in the spirit world and why wouldn’t they be because the spirit is always attached to what the spirit was attracted to while it was in a vehicle. Whatever it’s cravings were, whatever it’s ties were it stays with those craving and stays with those ties.
If you take the near death experiences that I’m sure many of you have read about when people believe their body or spirits leave their body in a hospital surgery circumstance and they will go through what they imagined to be a tunnel of light and meet other members of their family waiting for them. And I suspect that’s very true and those members of the family will help them adjust to what it is that they have gone to. Now if they left those vehicles tied to those members of their family and those members of the family also still felt ties to them they will hang around there.
Just like some individual was very tied to his homestead and he loses his vehicle, his vehicle is going to hang around that homestead and he might hang around with his great grandfather and great great grandfather until the Next Level comes along with a vacuum and vacuums up the spirits and does what it does with them depending on their level of development and what they deserve. Now, ‘spirit’ is a term that we’re now using for the invisible being that exits a vehicle when the vehicle drops.
Except there’s another whole category and that category is when the workers of the Next Level are assigned a task, periodically to choose certain human vehicles and they will then give them physically some little chip or deposit — now I don’t pretend to be able to describe what it is that they give to them, I wouldn’t assume to know that. I’m not meant to know that. Well, if I am I’ve failed because I certainly don’t understand it. And this little thing that they were given makes them have a little recognition for someone else who has that object and they feel a kinship with someone else who has that chip.
When they feel or when they hear an expression of Next Level information then they have a recognition they say ‘goodness I’ve heard this before’ or ‘I’ve know this all my life!’ or whatever their way of expressing that they recognize that because that little gift was given to them. Now here are a bunch of people sitting out here that I’m assuming all have that little chip of recognition or you wouldn’t be sitting here unless you’re just sitting here because you’re on an adventure, trying to find out what this cult really believes and I’m trying to make my way from one cult to another to really see what they do.
Okay, now what I started off to tell you about was the Next Level’s idea of fairness why is it that some person may receive that little chip of recognition and they may find their overcoming of their human ways, their addictions and the destruction of human ways that interfere with their change and with accepting Next Level’s ways – one vehicle may find that a fairly simple change a fairly easy change another one just works and works and works, well at least they think they’re working and they don’t seem to make much progress in this area or that area and they can look at one of their classmates and say you know ‘what’s it with so and so who found it so easy to make this transition?’ Why am I having such a hard time. And it could easily be thought of as unfair. Now I do not know the criteria that the Next Level would use in giving that chip of recognition to vehicles. And it’s not up to me to question that criteria because that’s not my task. My task is to come and work with those who have that chip. And help them in their change.
Now what TI and I have always felt the truth was that the Next Level — now I say that I felt that this way and I have not yet seen evidence that makes me feel differently but TI and I always felt that the Next Level did not give someone a chip of recognition who was incapable of change – incapable of making the transition from human to Next Level.
And we also thought when it was very difficult for someone to make that change in overcoming the addictions of their brain patterns or their likes for this or their dislikes for having to do what someone else says instead of what they would like to do with whatever impulses they might have – that the difficulty they deal with in overcoming humanism builds strength which the Next Level finds a very important characteristic of service, building strength.
So in order to change and become a yielding putty in the hands of the Next Level does not mean watery weak putty that falls through the hands. It means putty that’s very strong but pliable in other words strength is developed because you had to work and work like crazy. Now one other aspect I must mention is that some Souls now when you have received that chip then that chip has with it the capacity of starting what we’ll call a container for Next Level mind in other words something can be built in the area of that vehicle and that spirit that is Next Level mind and something is being built and we’ll call the container that is present after the Next Level has given the chip, we’ll call that the Soul. And then the Soul is receiving Next Level information. Now when scripture says, Christian scripture says that you’re going to become a new creature that is not symbolism that is a fact as far as I can tell and what is meant by a new creature is that you drop all of the characteristics that were your old identity.
And that’s tough, that’s difficult and its hard to let go of them. And you might find it easy to let go of some of those characteristics like maybe 1 through 117 was easy to let go of then you get to 118 and it was tough. And you’re feeling when you’re faced with 118 you say like ‘I don’t even know who I am anymore’ I don’t even have — I just can’t even – I don’t know who I am and that of course is when you’re at a very critical excellent place to be because you are losing your old identity.
In other words what is going to fill your spirit your and that spirit is in that Soul is the Mind of the Next Level. Now the Mind of the Next Level came from the Next Level. I mean it is present in the Next Level. Those individuals who are in the Next Level possess varying amounts and degrees of Next Level mind. My Older Member possesses more of that than I possess. My Older Member and my Older Member’s Older Member must feel that I possess enough of it to help you to possess more of it. Now the more of it that you possess is like this container you have can only hold so much stuff so I have to abort programming, abort the essence of what I was, my genetic emanation, manifestation my learned Mind. I have to abort it piece by piece in order to accept more Next Level mind in.
That means that the more you accept Next Level mind in then the more you’re going to sound like your Older Member. You’re going to use the same vocabulary – your thoughts are going to be structured more and more the same way. You can have an influence with you that doesn’t want to make that change or feel that it’s invasive some how or another not proper. Listen, I feel honored to accept it because it is the very Mind of my Creator that has been channeled down through levels and generations from Older Members to Younger Members it is the Mind of the Creator now I have a little bit of it compared to some that are Older Members in the Next Level.
Now, any resistance you have to give up your human mind you’re going to have to face that quickly and decide whether or not you’re willing to let go of it. Giving up your human mind gets down to practical aspects of giving up your human mind that means giving up your likes and dislikes your habits your ways what you respect – what you like as far as use of vernacular is concerned or how you like the way your brain works or you like to spend so many hours walking or so much time in the bathtub or to consume certain things. Invariably the very things that are hard for you to let go of will be spotlighted and be seen as major issues to you.
You have to give up your judgment it’s like that little tiny hole in the hour glass that when you have lost your humanness enough and when you begin to receive Next Level mind and you’re in that little tiny hole in that hourglass it’s like ‘I don’t know who I am, I have finally become wise enough to know I have no judgment’. And the only judgment that I’m going to have or want is the judgment that is passed down to me from the Next Level from my Older Member.
Now that sounds real pretty to talk about but in application it’s tough it’s plain old hard work. Any time you have resistance from change – an influence or any resistance that doesn’t want to let go of certain likes or dislikes or assessment, you are at that moment receiving and hosting an influence which is a gift from the Next Level and that sounds like ‘The Next Level sends me the bad guys?’ that’s right. Actually the bad guys go after you to defeat you because that’s the way that the Creator designed it and the Creator says I have designed it this way and if you want Me, if you want My world as I let those bad guys go to pursue you they can be the very instrument of your strength – your change, your battle to win against change. Any rebellion I have is an influence that is trying to challenge me – trying to have me not accomplish this change and it was permitted to come to me and in a sense is sent to me.
Now, My Older Member, TI has not gone back to some distant place and is involved totally with other tasks, even though I feel TI does other tasks other than helping you and me. But I feel sometimes if I can instantly say like I said to Arrody when Arrody said ‘when I got to New Mexico—’ he said ‘all these new influences just started ganging up on me and up until I got to New Mexico I felt so great – I felt so free’, and I said Arrody, TI sent you those influences. Because TI was challenging his commitment, testing him seeing whether or not he wanted to make that change.
*interruption*
DO: Do you think we’re having some visitors? Can we stop the tape.
Move on further, because nobody’s hand has gone up and I’m sure I’ve sailed past some things that — the danger of not talking to you like this is it can so easily sound like highfalutin theoretic religious or spiritual information and yet that is what I am trying to prohibit it from sounding that way. I’m trying to make it practical, real application of real stuff.
Jwnody?
Jwnody: a deposit… (asks question)
DO: okay yes I’m glad you brought that back in, finish your question.
Jwnody: And once the deposit is made, do we have the soul beginning?
DO: Yes, the beginning. You have a little soul that has the capacity to grow because the Soul is going to contain Next Level mind so the more it grows—its like you have two containers happening here or you’ve got the spirit of this individual that’s trying to abort in order to make room for the soul to contain more Next Level mind. Okay let’s say the Next Level goes to [Swy: earth in] the year 600BC or 4000BC and the Next Level visited with someone and gave them a deposit and sent a Member of the Next Level to relate to that one and nourish that deposit and humanism began to be aborted by the effort, hard work effort of the individual.
Every individual — you know this old thing of Christians debating all the time over ‘once saved always saved’. You’re saved as long as you’re saved. What are you saved from? You’re saved from being separated from the Next Level – being separated from the Kingdom of God. But you’re only saved as long as you pursue with your effort, growth and development and service getting rid of selfish desires and as long as you please the Next Level.
Here’s another thing that may not seem fair to a lot of spiritual people is that Next Level doesn’t mind giving you the boot. And a lot of times they give you service by giving you the boot. They’ll give you the boot and if you’re made of anything you’ll come back and say ‘Please don’t give me the boot!’. What does it take for me to prove to You that I don’t want the boot?
And The Next Level say, well I think I’ve heard you say that before so I think you better go on your way. And they’ll go their way and a week later, six weeks later and say I don’t want this I want to go to the Next Level so they come back and say ‘Next Level?, Is there any way you can open your door to me again?’ and the Next Level then says, whoever it is that’s dealing with that individual, says up to the chain of command to their Older Member, ‘what do you say? Give this person another chance?’ and they say ‘OK, you can give him another chance.’ you always — you cannot get rid of your free will – you cannot, even when you’re in the Kingdom of Heaven an Older Member has the free will to go awry.
Anytime an Older Member thinks he’s not dependent on his Older Member he is on the threshold of going awry. Now get that again any time any individual in the Next Level in the Kingdom of Heaven thinks they’re not totally dependent on the one that is assigned to nourish them, they’re on the threshold of going awry.
When they think that they have gotten so big that they can do something on their own and they can go and create – the higher you go in the Next Level the easier that is to do. It’s our understanding, and it may be wrong but those who we call Luciferians – they weren’t humans – they were ones who had been brought into the Next Level and learned a lot of Next Level knowledge and Next Level skills and Next Level ways that to humans would seem utterly phenomenal, just beyond belief and yet as they chose to not acknowledge their necessary total need for their Older Member, only looking to their Older Member – only seeking to please their Older Member, but once self comes back in — as long as you’ve got free will you’ve always got that possibility of ‘self’ coming right back in and saying: I’m tired of looking to someone else or I’ve leaned a lot of this – I can – I have a contribution to make and your Older Member says well if that’s what you want to do, have at it.
And your Older Member will say that. Many times in the classroom people will tell me what they want to do. Students will tell me what they want to do and I’ll say ‘have at it’ and they’ll learn a little while later ‘why did you say have at it?’ and I’ll say because I wasn’t about to tell you no you couldn’t do it because I sense that what you  wanted to do was do that. And I knew that if you’re made of good stuff that you would do it a little while and think that’s not the right thing to do, what should I be doing? I don’t want or to do this but you always have free will – you cannot get rid of it and the higher you go the more you’re tested with the easy access to going separate.
What if you’re in a relationship with your Older Member and you see your Older Member very very seldom? Actually seeing physically your Older Member very seldom and your mental relationship with your Older Member becomes some what ‘artificial’ or ‘spiritual’ or religious rather than real? Separation has come. And there are students in the class that still think that they can talk to me and get answers from me and from TI when they’re separated from us and again and again I’ve seen that the answers they got are not real.
Now there are ways you can ask for things – you can ask for help in this or you can ask to be stronger in overcoming this – you can ask to get past this rebellion. All these things that you can ask and if your asking was really sincere and strong the answers to that asking will be fulfilled, and that you can do when you’re separate from your Older Member – you can do that asking. But if you’re asking is somewhat etheric or somewhat less than real or some dream or some thought comes and answers that you’ll check immediately with your partner and those in your group and your Older Member before you act on that – what you thought was an answer. Because 9 times out of 10 it will not be right. Now the Next Level, I’m going to repeat, will present you with answers to your requests if your requests are answers for your advancement and getting closer to the Next Level. If you’re asking is mechanical they won’t pay attention to it they have to feel like you’re asking has ‘oomph’ behind it.
It’s like when TI, before TI began to awaken She liked doing horoscopes for people. But when TI would do a horoscope for someone it wasn’t an ordinary horoscope. It wasn’t something you could get out of Allen Leo’s book or some other. It was magic when I saw the – I never took horoscopes seriously, than when I met TI and I asked TI for a horoscope. I was in the same category as anyone else and TI wouldn’t do a horoscope for anybody unless they asked her 3 times. And she’d never let anyone know that she’d only give them one if they asked at least 3 times. So I mean she had to know that they really wanted it. After they had asked at least 3 times then she might share with them that she won’t do it if they hadn’t asked her 3 times.
But and this is the way the Next Level is, a lot of times if you’re asking seems shallow or systematic like ‘oh I just go through my little routine of asking’ it doesn’t get you anywhere. If you’re asking because you’re hurting, because you’re craving to get out of your deadlock of lack of progress and you want control in areas you don’t have control or you want beyond rebellion or you want restraint or you’re talking too much or not expressing yourself enough whatever it is and you are doing it because it’s holding you back you’ll get answers and you’ll get them fast and they come strong.
And most of the time when you get answers you’ll think well that wasn’t what I was expecting I didn’t want that kind of answer but you’ll be presented with the circumstance that will be the perfect situation for the change which you asked for. Frequently your meter goes up and your whole horizon about the subject that you thought you were asking on becomes significantly increased because you realized the one you were asking on was one tiny aspect of that subject and really didn’t hold as much significance as you thought it did until the answer of your request came. But, Members of the Next Level that TI has supervision over as far as I’m concerned, in relationship to this class, they have the ability to read the degree of your asking.
Now I have fussed at, in the groups that were out holding meetings, I have fussed at some of the overseers and others in the classroom for not paying enough attention to their patients. Just for fun I’m considering.. Well not just for fun, it’s applicable as an analogy – new ones are the patients and patients, if you sit in your ward, if you sit in your hospital room and sit in your ward – new students and you don’t when you have a need or you want to improve and the nurse is not tending you, you’ve got to push the buzzer! Or knock on the door or go down the hall and hunt out that nurse and ask for help and also in the same token for some of you who have some experience in the ways that the new ones are working you have to without any confidence — you know the nurse that thinks she is the doctor is the one that is always going to give the wrong remedy. But the one who merely goes to the doctors order and fills the prescription or calls the doctor, well you know Gene Scott says: ‘The doctors in’. Well as far as I’m concerned you’re in the classroom and the doctors in. As long as I’m here, I’m your doctor. TI is my doctor, I’m your doctor. Those in the classroom are your nurses and you are the patient. In that sense, all of you are patients. And the oldest ones of you I am your nurse. Now, age is determined by development how much you have developed not by certainly the age of your vehicle.
Now, Jwnody asked: ‘what about this vehicle that received an implant. A little chip that gave it recognition of information and recognition of other individuals who were carrying Next Level information. What if someone way back BC some significant time had a visit from someone from The Next Level and got a Chip, had a relationship with an Older Member, learned some things and lost the vehicle. Well, according to the theory we just went through since that individual had an encounter first it received a deposit once it started a pillowcase – a container for Next Level mind once it has Next Level mind in it then we have a soul with mass. And then the Next Level can take that Soul at the time that the vehicle collapses and do what it wants with it. We usually use the term that it ‘puts it on ice’ until it’s time for it to have a chance to pick up where it left off with another representative of the Next Level to continue with its lessons.
You might find a vehicle in this classroom that is 20 years old as far as the age of the vehicle is concerned and yet it may have had more association and exerted more effort of change to get closer to the Next Level, than that Soul might have, so that others around it could be jealous of how easy that individual had it as far as making change and not having all this resistance and all this change. If that individual has really received much Next Level mind it’s going to be more restrained. It’s not going to have its feathers easily flustered and it’s not going to be self concerned – it’s going to be more concerned in how it can serve. It’s going to be quicker to use “we” talking about its partnership or it’s crew than “me” and my needs and my concerns – it’s going to, even though it wants service it’s also going to be wise enough to know when I want service too badly I usually need to go through a period of seeming no service because I can learn a great deal during times of wanting service and not being aware that I have the opportunity for significant service.
Now that doesn’t make sense in human logic either. And yet a lot of times the Next Level prepares us for service by giving us lengthy periods of very little service to test us to see what are we going to do? If we don’t have service by  point X are we going to say well, you’ve had it Next Level. I was your gem and yet you didn’t give me service when I wanted it so I don’t want you anymore. That can happen. We have experienced that happening in this classroom. Some didn’t climb the ladder the way they wanted to climb the ladder. Here’s another thing that isn’t human logic, you could think that overseers are those who are more advanced… Not necessarily so. A person might— *end of tape*
(Swy – I would guess based on experience with DO that he might have said that a person might have needed the tests provided by having that overseer task that may look highfalutin to them and others.)
******* PART TWO *******
DO audio transcript – Mt. Cross part 2 of 2 – 5-22-94 – 38 min. – Family and Religion biggest addictions to humanness
Originally transcribed by new student of TI and DO – Nisha.
Edited by Sawyer (Swy) – Classroom name: Swyody
DO: You need to go BC? (Swy: Bath Chamber)
Student: No no, 600BC
DO: Oh, I’m simple, practical minded. I hear BC and I think, oh someone needs to go pee. (class laughs).
DO: Okay is the tape going?
Student: I hope so.
DO: Okay (laughs). We’ll talk about another kind of BC.
Student: that’s what we meant, remind you of that.
(Swy: TI and DO both asked students to remind them of things to bring up at the next meeting)
DO: Yes, I do not know – I have no idea how many times the Next Level might choose to have souls that it is still pleased with, return to a human environment in order to develop more. There is no better environment than a human environment – when the human environment is its most rotten. I mean the condition of the world today is the perfect environment for us. There is no restraint at all in openly pushing everything that is against the Next Level – no restraint at all. Even you could go into Muslim countries, Islam and find considerable more restraint and care about certain elements that are against the Next Level and this nation that we’re in is probably the least retrained in areas that are even seen as destructive areas. Now I’m going to touch on some toes, certainly of influences and this is a tough one and I’m warning you about it because it’s hard to make the adjustment that there’s truth to this.
The two elements that probably grow to be the greatest social enemies of the Next Level are those elements that are held in place by space aliens that are not working for our Father’s Kingdom that bind people to the family. The family and religion are the worst drugs there are and they elevate them together. You go to your religion to get married. I mean they go hand in hand. If you want to insure a good tight nit family, it’s one that worships together and does their religious ritual together and believes and practices to the best of their ability their religious belief.
Religion is not of the Next Level. It is the distortion of truth from those who are against The Next Level. Those who are against the Next Level have taken the truth and the words and the concepts that relate humans to the Next Level and twist them just enough and put them back into the heads and call them religion and it becomes impossible to get change.
There’s only one way you can get into the Next Level and that’s as an individual. As long as the Next Level is pleased with you as a student, as an individual. You can’t take someone else with you, it’s an impossibility. Therefore, you have to be an individual. Now, there’s some in the classroom that had once relationships with others that were in the classroom and yet they’ve lost that consciousness altogether of that relationship.
The Next Level has the distinct characteristic of being non-sexual, non-sexual. When you read about the Pleidians or any of these space groups or space aliens that have identity of female or male, you know at the outset that they are not from the Next Level. That does not mean the Next Level does not use them for certain things they want to accomplish,  any more than the Next Level uses evil influences to come and attack you in order to give you strength but they are not of the Next Level.
There is not the youngest member of the Next Level who is still male or female and you can even find that in the good book if you chose to pay attention to it. You can even find in the good book that unless you leave all behind all ties, attachments of this world and come and follow me, and who is my family? These are my family (Swy: referring to Do’s students there as Jesus referred to), and yet does religion acknowledge that? They can’t possibly acknowledge that.
The only way that the Luciferians insure ignorance is to keep you drunk on, or keep humans drunk on reproductive activity and religion. And the ones who are the most righteous in that behavior are the ones least likely to ever have their eyes open to receive a deposit or recognize the truth.
Very frequently the ones who have the deposit are the ones who the Next Level, by their little meters can see, that that individual, or that soul and I’m saying individual because we don’t know when you received a deposit – if you received a deposit a long time ago and that soul has come back several times then as we said earlier it could be a very young vehicle but be a very old soul because it has so much control already developed and has already rid itself of so many self concerns.
But Souls are vehicles as we see them, well when Ti and I began to awaken right before these vehicles began to receive a little bit more Next Level mind in order to try to you know do things to our heads the lives that we were in just fell apart and lives that were just months prior to that were productive in every way suddenly they were just falling apart.
People who just months before would have complimented us and were proud of us suddenly were against us, criticizing us and telling everyone how bad we were. Is that bad?, No. It might be bad for the world but it wasn’t bad for us, it helped us separate from the world it helped us in our accelerated growth. You might know from the history of Ti and Do that we both spent time in jail. Ti was in jail for a month, this vehicle was in jail for 6 months it finally received a sentence of 4, so they owe me 2!
What happened is that we were so taken with our — when this Mind was coming in and our becoming something else was happening that we were out of it and we were like two crazy individuals who were crazy in the same way simultaneously, not knowing what was going on.
And as the Mind came in we could not function, we had trouble driving cars. I was telling Helpers that we had to learn everything that this vehicle knew how to do and relearn them. It’s like these creatures came in from the Next Level and had to relearn human things all over again and I remember the first time we drove into a city after this mental change and we were scared of the traffic. And yet the vehicles grew up in cities where the traffic was insane! so I’m just telling you the changes that took place.
I don’t know if this is entirely accurate but it serves the purpose as far as we’re concerned when the one who was called Jesus was beginning to receive a significant amount of Mind — humans called it because that’s the vernacular of the writers of religious history, called it Holy Spirit – pure, more pure Mind than human mind.
And at the time that He had received enough Mind that He could start doing a task was symbolically, whether it’s accurate or not I don’t know, was the time with John the Baptist right before He began to minister. Well Ti and I received that Mind just before we began to minister. When we first began to minister we didn’t know what we were doing, we were scared, we were going around, we were so confused. We read the Bible, read the Bible, read the Bible, then we threw the Bible away, we read anything we could get our hands on of Madame Blavatsky and the Ascended Masters and we threw them away then finally we knew we couldn’t read anything that offered anything to us.
And when there was question among us there was something with TI that I recognized that Ti had a relationship with Ti’s Older Member that was closer than I had with that Older Member. We considered ourselves, and still consider ourselves a partnership. But Ti is clearly an Older Member than Do. Now, ‘older’ is measured by development, but you know what’s funny? I can count on Ti’s pace on the race track and I doubt if I’ll ever catch her. It’s our development of change and of service and ridding ourselves of self and increasing our Minds that comes from our Older Member from the Next Level through our Older Members that moves up the ladder. It cannot be measured by time – the funny thing is time is measured by effort – you can actually move out, of physically and scientifically move out of your time consciousness if your effort is applied enough toward your change. You will move into a different perception of time all together, if you stay down in what your old perception of time was you will retard your development.
You have to let these clumsy changes take place as you receive more Next Level mind and abort human mind and you go through periods of clumsiness and you go through periods of saying I don’t know who I am anymore. I don’t know what this is all about can you help me? And since Ti and I have experienced that we’re so pleased when someone reaches that point of saying I don’t know who I am anymore I’m just desperate and they couldn’t be in a better place then when they’re desperate to move forward.
You know, I could be wrong but I have to stop right there since I said that because there’s nothing more important than learning to put into your vocabulary and your vernacular the qualifying statements that indicate your awareness of your ignorance. If you think you’re right on most of the statements you make its because you do not perceive your inaccuracies. It’s like all the people that are observing the elephant and they are all standing in different places and one sees this and one sees that – everything you make a different judgment of what you’re seeing whether it’s your classmates behavior, your seeing it from your perspective based upon your background, your knowledge, your genetic package, your education all that and you’re only seeing one facet. So if you’re stupid enough to say with some authority I saw so and so and so and so were doing that and your making judgment of others you simply haven’t learned that we don’t have the capacity to make judgments. I mean the more I grow the more I know about how little judgment I have so one of the very basic elements in our classroom is qualifying your statements.
If you do it falsely: “Oh, I may be wrong or I could be wrong” learning these phrases you tack on in the beginning but then you tack them on with confidence what it was that you were about to say, it’s a mockery and you haven’t actually learned that you’re only seeing one facet of it and that facet cannot be trusted.
Okay, what I was starting to say when I said I could be wrong, I feel that we — because of you, because of these new ones, because of this ‘second wave’ if you want to play the prophecy game of the human religious or charismatics as far as I’m concerned you are now being lifted out of the world according to their little fun games of prophecy the second rapture is taking place because you’re literally being lifted out of the world, the world will not know how to find you literally not know how to find you – you will have left it – you would have been elevated out of it.
Now, I feel that this second wave or this going out and holding meeting for these that we’re holding meetings for is a very strong indication of the completion of this task and influence will hammer at my head and say: “Do, how could you think that? you have these new students that need training and they need this and need to overcome this and that and look at those others they had 18 years off in someplace and they learned all these things”.
The Next Level knows what they’re doing. Some of the first will be last, some of last will be first. You can climb mountains overnight if your desire is strong enough. You can change overnight if your desire is strong enough. Some have been in the classroom since the classroom started may be very slow to change in certain ways and very slow to apply effort and so what comes in? An influence comes in to have them jealous of someone who’s new to the class and has so much change. Why does the Next Level permit that? Because that is a perfect opportunity for them to exert more effort and not listening to that jealousy and doing something about it. Changing.
Getting rid of that rebellion and getting rid of that resistance to letting go of your old way, you know the Next Level is very very refined. It makes me sick when I hear again and again and again, about the essence of dignity was Jacqueline Onassis. (Class laughs) and yet I know that I’ve never known anything to touch the dignity of my Older Member, and yet I also know that most of the class was incapable of recognizing the dignity that my Older Member had because of your youth and lack of perception.
The more you learn the more restrained you are, the more control you have the more quick you are to tune in to what your Older Member’s Mind is instead of wanting your Older Member to tune in to where your mind is. We’ve covered a lot of territory in our little time tonight and I want you to think on these things and if you haven’t anything to ask, I’ve got a whole pocket of things (swy: hear papers rustling) I was going to bring up and a lot of these I haven’t touched on because of the way our meeting has gone and yet I almost feel like if we don’t stop, anything else we say will have gone beyond the point of saturation. Can I assist you with any questions? Strody?
Strody: (asks question)
DO: I’ll get back to whatever you’d like to
Strody: Can we get back to the soul?
DO: I think that we covered that, what was meant by that as a soul, I may be wrong on this but I do not think— let’s say a soul returned theoretically one soul returned to this civilization six times or three times, 2 times, once. I do not think it requires so may returns I think it depends on the effort applied by that individual and it’s thirst for nourishment and the application of that nourishment that determines how many times a return is made. I don’t think we can judge areas of change by what you deal with. This is a very important thing for you to understand, just because you deal with certain things doesn’t mean you’re going to have to come back and conquer that thing.
Dealing with something can be keeping it in check. You know the Easterner’s believe you pay for something by karma and it’s true but karma can happen very very quickly but what you got into you have to get out of and to the same degree that you got into it it’s gonna take that degree to get out of it. Now how fast that happens is determined on how thirsty you are – how close you stay to the source of your nourishment and the application of that nourishment. It can happen very quickly, that change can occur quickly. And we don’t have the capacity to measure, I don’t have the capacity to measure. If a spacecraft came down right now and we all marched aboard and I may think in my Mind that well I wonder what the Next Level is going to do with this student or that student because I’m not aware that they’ve overcome this, that or the other. I am doing my tasks to the best of my ability and I have been proven many times to assess someone’s development wrongly. And all I can do is ask my Older Member how can I help this one more? But I cannot offer you help if you are not asking for it.
When you come to meetings like we’re having right now everyone gets help even if you didn’t ask for it, you get nourishment. It isn’t going to do you any good if you aren’t hungry when you come here. If you’re not hungry and thirsty it won’t do you any good. If you sit and listen and say “boy this sounds great, this is really good stuff and no change takes place it doesn’t get anywhere. Now, I cannot build the fire of thirst in you, you can build it. If you say, well how can I build it? Ask. If the answer doesn’t come, ask again. Until you convince Ti that you need it and Ti will send you the help to increase that thirst. There is nothing that you can ask that cannot be supplied if you really want it. A lot of you ask for things because you want them 18 hours a day but you don’t want them those other 6. I’m not kidding. It’s like when you’re off in your bunk in the night or you have this time to yourself and you’re just having at it or going at things in your head that are totally contrary to what you asked for.
Are you participating in certain things? Mentally. Our mental participation has already set the stage for our physical participation. If we were permissive of what went on in our heads the damage has already been done we might as well have done the physical. Because our system has been poisoned. I told you that you have to abort human mind in order to take in Next Level mind. The same thing happens in reverse you begin to abort Next Level mind as you insist on taking back in human mind. They don’t occupy the same space. There’s certain level of Next Level mind that can cohabitate with certain level of human mind. Higher level human mind cannot come into your pillow case unless you get rid of and show your commitment to staying rid of it if you bring it back Next Level mind will be pulled from you to the degree that you brought it back and then you’ll have to convince Next Level that you want it back because they’ll say you asked for it and I gave it to you. What did you do with it? You brought things in that caused it to be aborted.
How could you not believe me when I say they cannot coexist? I can’t count the times that students have said I’m going to lick this. I want none of this its hideous and yet certain hours of the day or certain hours of the week they’ll go participate in the very thing that they said they will let themselves be blinded they’ll move into another head-space because they’d refuse to withdraw the DTs.
When you’re withdrawing from an addiction, to concepts and activity of the human world you have to stay committed around the clock to the abortion of those things that poison Next Level mind or cannot coexist with Next Level mind. I’m telling you the truth. You can bank on it. I don’t believe I should say ‘I could be wrong’ because I know from experience they cannot coexist. I know my Older Member pulls away from me when I do things that do not please my Older Member and I can sit there and say while my throat is dry: How can I get closer to my Older Member? Yet I continue to do the things that my Older Member does not want to be in my presence and you can say: Well how does my Older Member even know that I’m doing them? Listen, we reek of what we thing, we reek of what we do. I wish at times I did not know what was on your minds, what thoughts you participate in. I have to work at not knowing because I don’t want to invade you and I can’t tell you what you should be doing, you have choice of what you want to do yet I can’t help but be aware of what you’re dealing with by choice.
Initially when it comes to you it was not by choice, it comes to you because you asked for growth. That difficulty came to you because you asked for growth. What are you supposed to do? You’re supposed to abort it. You’ve got to learn to control the mechanism of the brain you’ve go to learn to be quiet – you’ve got to learn when to not have thoughts you should be. You know I’ll hand it to some of these who mediate and meditate if they really know how to clear and stay clear and stay clear. But you can’t have your balloon filled up with dead clear. I mean that’s not going to get you anywhere either.
If you want to progress you have to be in a mode of taking in. When I’m asking and I’m receiving nourishment and I am asking for situations that will help me conquer and they are sent to me and let’s say it took me 15 rounds in the ring with that fellow and he still licked me what am I going to do quit? Say I’m no good? Or say if he’s the guy that you want me to fight with, I’m going to prove to you that I can lick him. It’s not for you to decide who you need to fight  with, its for the Next Level to decide who you fight with. It’s your job to win the battle, win the rounds, win the rounds.
The same guy that comes to you—if you had a weakness there, the Next Level will use that weakness from here on out to strengthen you, to strengthen you. So that when he comes what used to be 15 rounds becomes 14, and it was 16 it becomes 13 and 17 becomes 11 and then 14 becomes 7 and it starts going up and then might fall back and starts going up until you have that guy you can handle him in the first round and then you have that guy that you thought was insurmountable and you have him by the first blow. Because you used to be in the whole first round with him before you realized you were even fighting. (class laughs) I’m serious!, and you know that I’m serious that’s the reason you’re laughing because you know, you would fight that guy a whole round before you even recognized what was going on. And then soon you learn what going on and you say I’m not going to go 3 minutes with this guy I’m going to shorten it and shorten it, your effort shortens your time. Shortens increases your development, gets you moving faster on the track. Actually the track becomes slower for you, time becomes slower for you.
Student: When you really begin to have it in your control, it slows down?
DO: That’s right. Time slows down.
Student: You mean.., like a week will feel like a month?
DO: No, a month will feel like a day. And to me it hasn’t sped up it has slowed down.. You follow what I’m saying?
Student: Yes I do.
DO: it’s gone just the reverse where the time has meant nothing to me and even this little idea – once you get into the vehicle that’s not designed to perish and decay like a human vehicle. If the AMA learned everything that there was to learn about every disease — of course everything that they call a disease is not a disease its part of a design to recycle that vehicle – I mean it’s not designed to go on and go on and go on. By Next Level standards it was nothing but a plant and a container from the offset. There was not life in it, there was no soul until Next Level put a deposit in it. Once there’s a deposit in it that has life in it for the first time but even the possessor of that life has to do something about it in order to keep life there and make it grow. If the life grows and grows and becomes bigger and strong then time all but stands still. The way it stands still is like a day, you can get 1000 years work done in a day. No decay is taking place, there is no destruction taking place its— and this sounds crazy, it’s hard to get this in your head and it’s irrelevant to us at this point but it is what is meant by Next Level vehicles, physical containers for your souls when you are a Member of the Next Level its not designed to go out on you.
They may have you go to the wardrobe and take a vehicle that was designed to go out for a period of time. But you would take it off like you would take off a suit of clothes and not lose any consciousness, there would be no shock, no change you’d be like whoa time to get rid of that suit because this suit was designed to go out after a period of time.
There’s other suits that are designed imperishable. But what’s more important is what’s in the suit that becomes imperishable, because the less of you that is in it, the more you are simply the container for Next Level mind the more imperishable it is, you cannot be gotten rid of. You are still that soul, that container that mechanism of choice that says more, more, I’m thirsty I want more, I want to get rid of this. That is you. That is all that is you but as that advances you become not concerned for you but concerned for your unit or concerned for your place as a spoke in a wheel. That’s not a put down, its glorious its so much more important than what an individual can become, its ridiculous. Any individual that can become anything as an individual instead of how the creator designed it is very short lived. Until it is no more. (Do whispers) there with that yawn.
(Class laughs)
DO: These little plants as they hear this kind of stuff they’re just like (yawns) and they yawn.
Student: Should we ask the Next Level for less yawns?
DO: Yes, you can.
Student: Next Level, I would like less yawns.
(Class laughs)
DO: when you feel, that you’re getting— you need to keep aware of your vehicles condition when you’re getting sluggish which you can easily get when we’re talking about this information you can easily almost receive so much nourishment in this manner that you forget to feed oxygen into the vehicle and so the vehicle is going like this (does motion) and you’re like Hey, I wanted to listen, what’s happening? And you have to make an effort to get alert again and take in enough air systematically to keep it active. Listen, when my Older Member is speaking through me it’s such a joy to me to give it away I’m afraid at times I can even drain energy from whoever is close in order to deliver that information.
I’ve experienced that happen too many times, when Ti and I would sit next to each other at meetings and it was really going and it was really strong and the other one was going like this and we’d have to systematically bring it back to life, it’s like a battery that’s lending itself. If I was speaking and Ti was listening very carefully and trying to feed to me and trying to help me when I go a little astray or in any way, that energy that Ti would be feeding me while I was speaking, it would cause Ti to get erect again and take in more air in order to keep the vehicle from collapsing and I know when I get excited when I’m being used in that way that I can easily without realizing it draw whatever energy that is available to tap in order to assist in the delivery of that information. It’s just part of the mechanism. Okay, what time is it?
Student: 9:20(pm)
DO: you have to be out of here by 8 in the morning. Okay we’re going to call it quits for the night so let’s talk for a minute— Turn the tape off.

Pineapple Street Heavens Gate Episode 6 x-member claims DO becomes Psychotic

December 17, 2017

Here is Sawyer’s response to the Pineapple Street Media’s podcast series Heaven’s Gate – episode 6 – The Choice – featuring x-Heaven’s Gate cult member – Frank (Andody) who joined together with Erika (Chkody) who joined from the same Waldport, Oregon meeting as did Sawyer (Swyody) in 1975.

Chkody was among the 38 who laid down their human vehicles lives with DO in March of 1997 and her statement is included in the podcast from the Student Exit Videos.

My response here is not to find fault with Frank in any way shape or form as he made his choice to join and made his 17+ year choices to stay in the cult and has since continued to make choices on how to think and talk publically about TI and DO and his experience. My aim is to present the side of a believer in Ti and Do, that I am and in that sense believe I can speak for Chkody (Erika) as well.

I consider all former classmates to be family because of our joint experience but when they say things that in my opinion misrepresent TI and DO, I feel committed to speak up about it, so the side for TI and DO is provided for others to judge for themselves what to believe about them. That voice for them is infrequently heard otherwise.

However, in life for all people, different people often come away with different responses to the same circumstances and especially when it comes to beliefs even within the same organization. I learned this many years ago pertaining to this Heaven’s Gate story, when I visited with Frank in Seattle, around 2005 and we had completely different takes of at least one event we both experienced in the classroom. Now I know there are a number, even many more.

Frank says, (regarding he and Ericka’s joining with TI and DO); “When first joining I was mixed about not being together anymore but didn’t want to miss the opportunity and [they would] take it one step at a time.” He says it “didn’t sink in that it would be the end of the relationship” (with Erika).

Erika said in the Exit tape she made, that at the Waldport meeting it was “instant recognition” (of Ti and Do and/or their information) for her.

I also experienced that instant recognition. It wasn’t like I had a deja vu experience, thinking I recognized TI and/or DO. For me it was a recognition that their information spoke to me as being true which felt so different from all the other spiritual minded quests I’d read about or experimented with up until then. I knew I had to go with them and knew it meant leaving all behind and giving it my 100% of time and energy. I knew that included breaking up with my partner, now known as Sarah (Srfody), one of the Heaven’s Gate Webmasters with Mark (Mrcody), whom I had lived with for five years before then. She was from the same home town on Long Island where we met and who I fell in love with and who I sought to build my life with that included moving to the British Columbia, Canada bush/mountain country to try to homestead.

When Sarah and I left the Waldport/Newport, OR area, about the third day after the meeting in Waldport with Ti and Do, which was the time frame recommended to “get our house in order,” not having any other circumstances to require more time, (as some others had with house ownership and children even), I recall Sarah for the first time in even years wanting to snuggle and perhaps have sex. This was unusual because I had become the sole instigator of that physical part of our relationship and just a month or two before that time Sarah had started up a relationship with another man named Hobbit that followed what might have been another, possibly with a Canadian man (Aldi) who came to visit us and who she went up to visit. (I only know for sure about her open fling with Hobbit, but what was clear is that she hadn’t been happy with me for quiet some time and how she hitchhiked up to Canada without me to pursue.)

I was heartbroken by those events that did not work out for her so she wanted to get back together with me which I agreed to, having recovered from her choices but I was not angry with her for. I’m not faulting her for wanting someone else, but to then want me in that physical way for the first time in a long time, by her instigation struck me then as very odd and for the first time in our 5 year relationship I turned her down.

My point in explaining this, is that it appeared to be an indicator that she may not have had the same kind of instant recognition I had and would explain why she had a number of episodes in the classroom that showed that and led to her wanting to leave when the opportunity presented itself with Mark’s choice to no longer abide by DO’s teaching lesson step that was referred to as “I could be wrong.” That lesson step was designed to reduce our dependence in our own human mind over the Mind from our Older Members – Ti and Do. That lesson step was kin to when TI told us all that, “you need to give us your will” in around 1978. And it seems to be exactly what Jesus taught when he said to be his disciple one needed to “deny yourself” and is what would be a primary part of a disciples prayer to their Heavenly Father that requested that “your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”.

I was not mixed about breaking up with Sarah, though I won’t say it wasn’t a little awkward when I did see her, but like Frank described, we two were also separated and when we traveled were assigned to different groups.

The Host of the show then says: “It was drilled into the followers that human emotions were not allowed in the Next Level” and something about how one could not be “in love” and get to the Next Level.

That’s a huge distortion to say, as human emotions were not banned. We had no procedure that said, Thou shall have no emotions. I’d bet most members laughed every day and it would have been inappropriate to laugh at another expense or behind the back of others like is frequent in the human kingdom.

We still experienced sadness at times, like when we individually slipped from our goals, but it’s true we were taught not to linger in that sadness and use it to stimulate having an even better handle on those goals. (One goal would be to remain celibate in both body and mind). We were taught to maintain a “pleasant countenance”, a part of controlling our vehicles vibration.

If someone was “down in the mouth”, it wasn’t like they would be reprimanded by anyone but it showed they were troubled about something so their partner or the Overseeers of a department they were in, might ask them about it or write to Ti and Do about it, as it could be a sign that they aren’t happy even being here if they couldn’t override it.

Another time for some sadness was when TI and DO pushed us to be more “thirsty” for next steps. There was never any yelling or raising of voices or threats of any kind, nor punishment, like happens all the time in the human kingdom to keep people in line, to keep their jobs, etc.

On a rare occasion we learned they were displeased with us. The times I’m thinking of just so happened to take place when we were living in Austin and DO delivered the news in one of those cases. Ti had instigated choral singing of Christmas carols, that she did not participate in, as she said she wanted us to learn to look to DO for direction. (DO never sang with us, more than a few notes to demonstrate how to sing a certain phrase). Mllody played piano. We sang for TI after we’d practiced some and some in the class designed new lyrics to the song, The Twelve Days of Christmas. We gave TI a little concert. A very short time later, DO held a meeting without TI present and said something about our lyrics disturbed TI. Those lyrics were “ten years a waiting…” (meant to imply waiting for the pickup). The students who wrote those lyrics that we practiced separately, I believe were drawing from knowing that TI and DO hating being here because the vibration had become so distorted. TI even thought parts of the plant kingdom showed that lower vibration. The example I can recall was how TI thought the oak trees she saw growing in Texas weren’t designed to grow all crooked and twisted up like they are. They wanted the task to be over, so they could go back to resume the life style and physical vehicles and positions they had before coming to earth to do this task.

TI considered being in the human kingdom like being in a snake pit and I didn’t see it that way, even a little until after I left and I realized that to us, it’s normal for there to be all kinds of sneakiness, deceit, back biting, back stabbing, profiteering to another detriment, manipulations, predatory behaviors, legalized robbery and murder, sold as collateral damage to anybody who is in the wrong place at the wrong time because their leaders stand in the way of certain agendas, Examples as of late are found in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, etc where people are killed or die because of.

But what DO helped us see was how He was with his Older Member and we were with our Older Member so we weren’t going to have the same longing to leave. We should have been happy to stay as long as it’s our task to stay. We were not really “waiting” to exit as we had our Overcoming tasks to do and needed to be here to finish it. TI didn’t need to learn the lessons we were having.

I realized, in a sense, since originally they said we’d be picked up in “months” and “not later than 5 years”, both of which didn’t come true, it was like pushing that into TI’s face to say we were waiting. By the way, TI had said one time that the reason the “demonstration” didn’t happen as they thought it would was because the students were not ready to leave then. That would explain how Revelation 11 regarding the Two Witnesses could be translated in several ways because of the varied time frames in the prophecy in between their being “subdued” and then “separating by dying themselves” (also having several interpretations that could have worked to demonstrate fulfillment).

There was also no prohibition from enjoying a food or a sunset or mountain view or the colors and aromas of flowers, etc, though Ti and Do taught that we would outgrow even those degrees of sensual stimulus.

But yes having emotion between students was taught to be suppressed and redirected to one aim, to foster that emotion with only our Heavenly Father, though TI, before she exited made it very specific that our commitment (love) was to be towards DO only. TI instigated this and it was the lesson step of making one’s “committal” to DO, which we did individually and privately in notes that would go directly to Ti and Do. They didn’t tell us what to say in our notes but we were required to express ourselves. If we couldn’t it was a sign that we weren’t in the right place being in that classroom.

As a matter of fact, I think it safe to say that everything Ti and Do taught, said and did had the potential of “testing” our commitment if we made one. That’s the nature of being a student in a cult – there are no tail feathers on the teachers – no degrees in Theology or affiliation with the rich and famous or to huge mega million dollar organizations that all tend to give us a sense of credibility, whether we see it or not.

So it’s true that one can not graduate into the Next Level when married (committed and “in love” with another human). Jesus taught this when he said:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection ((rising, Standing up again, graduation)) they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Marriage was the form of making that committal, TI said, was started by the Next Level, to bring some structure to whom one propagated with. It became known as adultery when people broke the various procedures that governed such commitments and relationships. Jesus said Moses gave in to his students to allow them to divorce. Moses and Jesus taught that the aim was for students to give all their heart, all their mind, all their soul and all their strength to God, but when a Representative from God’s kingdom wasn’t physically present in a human vehicle with us then the way we would show our love for God was to demonstrate it by loving our neighbors as ourselves. In other words we were to see all humans we lived among as our neighbors. It’s not a theoretical “love” and nor was it meant as a sexual love, but a friendly love.

So as long as one was abiding by the teachings of the Next Level in that regard as best they could, getting up whenever they fall short of that, they were still growing closer to becoming members of the Next Level. All the plants in the “garden” don’t grow at the same rate and have bursts of growth at the same times and to the same degrees. So the lesson steps, though everyone can apply them, are given in stages so no one has more on their plate than they can handle, that is if they look to the Next Level for help.

The Next Level determines which souls or spirits still have the capacity to advance closer to graduation and “saves” them for a future opportunity, though they turn up the heat for each of us to make our choices of whom to serve, like Jesus said between making our master, God (The One true kingdom of God in whatever terms, secular or religious) OR Mammon (human mammalian forms of treasure and wealth)

TI and DO said that the Next Level still loves Lucifer and that they have given him and his associates who fell many opportunities to get back on track, even though the more one goes against the Next Level’s present Representatives teachings the harder it gets to change, so that one subtly loses whatever degree of recognition they once had. Thus the lessons need to get harder for that soul to be stimulated to change.

Frank then talks about how: “my thoughts at times were filled with doubts and questioning everything…”, which he indicated was part of what compounded with the “suppression of feelings” that resulted in the development of a deeper voice and a stutter in his speech.

I do wonder where Frank got the understanding that DO’s mimic of his suddenly deeper voice was expressing a masculine voice. I don’t recall if DO spoke about it at that meeting but I doubt he did, though not saying it’s not possible. The way Frank says it in the broadcast was, “…he was conveying to me that I was expressing a masculine voice.” Whatever DO said or didn’t say, Frank said he felt “humiliated – ashamed for expressing my masculinity” and said he had a “deep seated anger of who is he to express how I should speak”.

I guess by that point it shows that just being a body in the classroom didn’t necessarily mean much when one’s mind was far apart, so in this way DO’s response of repeating a low sounding voice, that Frank sees as mimicking, and may be an accurate depiction became a test to get him “off the fence,” he had apparently been on, or he wouldn’t have built up a “deep seated anger” towards DO as he reported.

Why was Frank angry? I don’t know if he gave reasons why he was angry. In terms of his reporting his response to DO’s “mimic” of thinking, “who is he [DO] to express how he [Frank] should speak,” DO was the individual he chose to leave all behind to follow, at that point for over 10 years. As far as I could tell, Frank was as committed to Ti and Do’s process as anyone else but what was going on in his head or that he might have talked about with him partners and/or TI and DO was not known to me.

But at that point of the mimic, it seems Frank didn’t see DO as his teacher or he wouldn’t have had “deep seated anger” because he would have been keeping things surfaced.

I was given a number of personal lessons and in none of them was I embarrassed. All the students got lessons in group and personally. Had I been Frank’s partner then and say he starting talking in a much lower than usual voice, I probably would have felt obligated to mention it to him, bring it up to him to examine it, and perhaps I would have written a note to DO about it since it was my partner and partners were instructed to ask one another for their observations and help to see their ways that were not the ways taught to us from TI and DO.

There was no procedure on how to speak and what tone our voice would have but this was certainly not normal for Frank so it was in itself a “red flag” that something was wrong. Now to clarify, if a partner knew their partner had been working with DO on any behavior or way, the partner wouldn’t try to step in. I never said anything to Frank about his low voice and/or stutter and I doubt anyone else would have either as it was then between him and DO. At the time I didn’t even think about it at all really. It was strange but I didn’t have a judgement about it. That wasn’t my business – we were all taught to keep our eyes on our own behavior and ways, unless something came about that we had to pay attention to.

Frank says, “I was not allowed to be me… not safe to express who I am…” and that was true because who “me” was needed to shift from the old “me” to the new “me”, from the caterpillar “me” to the butterfly “me”. It was getting rid of a human form of individuality.

Ti and Do taught that no humans are really individuals because we don’t know how we become the product of the discarnate influences that attach to us. They taught that who we really are is the “chooser” of what to think, say and do, which decided which discarnates we accept and which we reject. And there is nothing wrong with that. It’s a beautiful design of the human kingdom but was never meant to be satisfying, hence why we go through stages of “seeking” what more there might be, though that may only surface in our conscious as dissatisfaction with who we are, what we are doing.

If by “suppression of feelings” Frank is referring to not being allowed to play out his feelings for Erika, yes that was part of the program. And yes I agree that according to Ti and Do, not changing our human feelings to feelings for TI and DO’s Mind, instructions, procedures, behaviors and ways in the Next Level Program for us, could have negative mental and/or physical consequences, as DO talked about in relationship to Terrie’s physical ailments, from the suffering in relationship to her dealing with her mother’s absence from her life, which DO indicated could have been largely subconscious because of her root system to TI, her vehicle’s mother.

Additional suppression of feelings we all had to impose upon ourselves to be in the program 100% was by blocking out the past and thus suppressing feelings for our human family, friends, career, goals, forms of entertainment, desires that even include doing what one wants to do when one wants to do it. Rkkody exemplified this last point. He left the class no less than three times and was able to stay in touch so returned each time until he laid down his life in 1998. It became known among class members in a light hearted way, since DO knew Rkkody both recognized his Older Member and I know, loved him, that he felt confined at times and just wanted to be able to “go out and get a pizza when he wanted to”. DO, I believe brought specific example at a meeting when Rkkody had returned.

But this suppression of the expression of human feelings for things that used to be in our lives, didn’t have to be a negative just like not giving into sensuality, though perhaps somewhat unhealthy to a human’s normal health, if it was purely voluntary and dealt with, as such feelings surfaced, wouldn’t become a negative in that program. For instance, when I joined I knew I was going to have to cease playing musical instruments. I was part of a 4 piece band who had gigs in and around Newport, Oregon. I left them and sold my instruments. (By the way I don’t recall TI or DO or any of their literature spelling that out. I just knew it. But on that subject, I used to have dreams that I was trying to play the flute and couldn’t get the notes out, like I didn’t have the wind. For the first month after joining I had a flute with me that I brought to try to sell on the road. I didn’t feel to play it and I knew I was starting a new life and such things would no longer be in it. I sold it and used the money to buy a broken down car that lasted maybe a week.

But had I longed to play music, I imagine if I didn’t block out those feelings and shift my attention to the activities in the classroom at that time, they could have become pent up stress that over time could get stronger and could have tempted me to want to leave because of and/or could have taken a toll on my health in some ways. So that becomes compounded, the more things like that we don’t block out of our consciousness.

Frank said when he left the cult he was “elated”. In a sense I was also when I left, noting that I enjoyed doing simple things for myself, like choosing what I wanted to eat.

The way TI and DO would explain that, was that once we leave the class, we were “going with our discarnate influences” re-attracting the influences we had been keeping at bay by not giving into doing the things that the influences sought to attach to us to do through our vehicle; i.e. playing an instrument, fixing a meal of our choice, playing a sport, having a relationship, having sex, pursuing a career, etc.

Thus leaving the class eliminated that conflict which the vehicle then felt elated by. However, according to Jesus (just like what Ti and Do taught in different terms) we then attract “7 other demons that are worse than what we had to deal with before.” I can’t say I can count 7 discarnates that sought to attach to me after I left, but I can recognize characteristics of thinking I have to deal with now that I never had to deal with before and during the classroom time. For instance of late I’ve seen myself judging what others do and how others physically look to me. In the past I would have recognized differences in people’s appearance but now I’ve got an opinion about it that sort of defines the “book by it’s cover” which to me is a demon. However, I do still retain Ti and Do’s teachings so when I hear those thoughts I treat them as demons and shoe them away. Ti and Do taught that we are not responsible for the thoughts that occur to us, but we are responsabile for the thoughts we allow to linger in our consciousness.

In a comment Frank made on the Episode 5 facebook page, he said something about not suppressing feelings while not always “acting (them) out” either, but allowing ourselves to express them as being good for us to do. I’m not saying some of that can not be advantageous. I suspect that’s the basis of “confession of sins (missed the mark)”, to get things off our chest. We had regular weekly “slippage meetings” for that purpose, yet had a bunch of procedures of what not to bring up (sexuality, not even using the word) except as a generalization of something to the affect of “I gave into sensuality” and in that case would add that we wrote a note to TI and DO explaining the details. We had instruction to not blame anyone else for our slippage and to provide a remedy with each one, so what one might say, “I entertained thoughts of the past” and my remedy was to “nip it in the bud” better next time.

But I wonder if repeating our feelings over and over could be considered by Ti and Do as an indulgence in those thoughts and thus a strengthening of them and if there are others present who are susceptible to their influence an even greater negative to say out loud.

Ti and Do taught that the thoughts and feelings we have become what we are and what we “believe” and what we get when we exit these vehicles, whether they are based in reality and what degree or not. The more we entertain these beliefs the stronger we become them. When class members entertained thoughts that doubted DO they also separated from him, from His Next Level Mind and start to lose touch more and more with recognizing who He and TI are and who they represent and from having the strength to ward off the Lower Forces misinformation attacks. This applies to all aspects of the classroom, not just to doubts. When we don’t do our homework by kicking out thoughts, behaviors and ways that are not from their mind, to include thoughts/feelings of sensuality we separate from him.

Frank expressed this was happening from the start so it’s no wonder he came to see DO in a different light than that classmates that stayed, including Chkody (Erika) and others, to the point that he began to see DO, in his words as “a little psychotic” when DO brought to his students attention, after the Branch Davidian ATF/FBI murders in 1992, his consideration of the way we might get firearms to pose a threat to authorities who might then become the instruments of our laying down our vehicles lives.

Note – Even though Jesus rebuked Peter when he struck, with a sword, one of the Jewish military (Sanhedrin guards) who came to capture Jesus by his arrangement, Jesus was against violence yet instructed his disciples to have a sword with them:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Why did they need to carry swords this time when they went out to preach about him when they didn’t have them before when he sent them out. Was he trying to pose a threat without suggesting use of the sword when he said:

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Perhaps some that they would encounter in their travels might cause some to think twice about confronting them. Jesus at their last supper together told them their task was to go out and tell the truth about what they heard and experienced from Jesus. Jesus knew that if they hated him they would hate his students too since they were of the same Mind. So Jesus led them to “laying down their human lives,” because they chose to follow him, as he was demonstrating. Jesus said that they would have to “drink from the same cup” that was literally willing to shed their blood as he was willing to do because this was part of their demonstration of their overcoming aka their Christing (metamorphic) task.

But hearing this perspective from DO, I admit was a tiny bit challenging for me to consider doing anything with a weapon, yet I knew TI nor DO would condone being violent. They considered the governments that murdered people and built weapons for that purpose as primitive savage “snakes” or “weeds”, while many in society see it at best as so called necessary evil, yet the only necessary evil as Jesus taught was in the provision of the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls that provided our choices to go against God’s laws or not. Thus that presentation became a test of each students recognition of DO and whether they chose to override doubts and negative judgements of him or not.

It’s quite possible and even probable that the entire premise of laying down our vehicles by the hand of the govt was unlikely, at least at that time during the First Wave (Classroom), though could still apply into the future as it did after Jesus left, which is indicated in Jesus’ prophecy as occurring during the 5th Seal Opening time period. We are currently in the start of the 4th Seal Opening time period, that of the Green Horse (human vehicle) (Trump) – money, wealth being in charge which followed Obama as the “black or jacinth “horse” (human vehicle) that coincided with the wall street banking crisis in 2007-8. This followed the Red Horse (G.W. Bush and administration as the Red (Ruddy) horse who brought the endless war on terror, starting in 2000 after DO fulfilled the task of the White horse when he came public starting in the 1990’s in ways that can be documented to show demonstrating the remaining 6 of 7 roars (thunders) from the Lion of the Tribe of Juda.

But at this time, it seemed more and more apparent that DO saw the modus operandi of the Luciferian Space Alien “Fallen Angels” at this time as mostly to ignore He and TI and their returning crew of “saints”. That’s what prompted him to get bolder with what we claimed in the 1994 meeting posters and presentation, even stating in the last poster what the “shedding of our vehicles may be required”.

In the Portland, Oregon meeting in early 1994, that we do have on tape, DO expressed this to some degree, considering that we might have to get even bolder to put the truth in front of more people that could also generate a response that could assist us in our exit, as it did 2000 years ago, where people thought they were killing in God’s name.

The authorities have become the unwitting instruments of the lower forces of this planet, thus they will in many cases justify their agendas – the execution of atrocities all over the planet, seeing even their murders as “collateral damage” to keep their authority and profiteering.

DO had followed the Randy Weaver story that followed Waco and the Freemen story as well and though he never supported anyone’s enacting violence against anyone, knew that potential for us to become targets existed so he sought to prepare us for that, should it happen before or after he left. So like Jesus he was following his instruction from his Older Member to even bring up the subject of firearms, taking his clue in that regard from the Waco event. That’s the way the Next Level works, using human’s choices to convert them into a Next Level positive, in this case, completing their task which always involved leaving earth without our human vehicles.

Yes, Do thought about this and the part that Ben Zeller read was written by DO but what wasn’t nor understood was how DO updated that writing and in so doing took away that entire section about taking up firearms. He first posted the initial document, entitled, “Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure” on September 25-26, 1995 and in January of 1997 updated it that even changed the title to: “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure”. Jesus was put in quotes because as they always said neither Ti nor Do were Jesus because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level (who TI said was DO) incarnated into to perform that task. (Though they always said from 1974-6 that all the Revelations prophecies would be fulfilled that included Jesus coming in the 7th and last “closeness” where they considered themselves as the 6th closeness and that that coming was not to be a “teaching one” (like the 6th was via the Two Witnesses task of delivery of new information via speaking).

Below I provide a link to my blog post that shows the full comparison of these two versions of Undercover “Jesus” where the part about obtaining a firearm was removed.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/do-reduces-the-requirements-to-leave-with-him-by-updating-undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

Plus he never manipulated anyone – there were never any locked door or fences around our campgrounds. Keys to cars were locked up every night because some would leave in the middle of the night sometimes and Ti and Do didn’t want to lose a car to them. Money was locked up for the same reason. Doors were locked to keep people from the outside from coming in. But I don’t recall phones were disconnected at night though we often had someone up all night doing a night watch task. If someone wanted to leave Ti and Do preferred they tell them and they always tried to help them with a bus or airplane ticket and sometimes with a car and/or some money as was the case with me. I was given a plane ticket and $600 in cash. They still almost always moved soon after someone would leave if Ti and Do felt they might reveal where we were, in case a private eye was looking for someone.

DO never entertained mounting any kind of attack against the government or to do any violent act against anyone ever (Their exit method was not violent. It was as gentle as one could imagine leaving one’s vehicle could be – the vehicle dying in one’s sleep).

However, further addressing that part of the Undercover…” post Ben Zeller read in Episode 6 was what came after describing – Believers in Them taking a stand, not being submissive to authorities (though not breaking any laws either) and how that could eventually lead to those authorities becoming the aggressors and seeing radicals with firearms as a threat to the public so could facilitate their exit of their vehicles.

DO was simply following his instruction from TI by outlining an option that the Next Level would find an acceptable way to both show our commitment to the Next Level by following, if we so chose, and as a way to lay down our vehicles to exit should authorities bring trumpeted up charges against us individually or as a group and not having to submit to them and their treatment of us. He made those posts in 1995, approx. 6 months or more after he had outlined for the entire class the procedure for self exiting that he still continued then to prepare for.

I know DO bought at least one rifle which I read about in Rio’s book saying Strody (a classmate with a 60 something year old female vehicle) did some target shooting when they were building what they called a “fortress” near Mansano, New Mexico. Rio didn’t indicate there was a program for all to learn to shoot the rifle.

I’m not sure where I got this, but thought if we got a rifle we would load it with blanks and/or learn to shoot above the heads of someone so if it was to be used it would appear to be a real threat. I can’t actually say I recall DO saying that so perhaps it was how I first dealt with the idea after the Waco murders of the Branch Davidians when DO first brought up the idea. It wasn’t an easy idea for me to handle as it faced me at the time with just how far I would go in my commitment to DO. Would I shoot someone, if I was given that instruction, I asked myself and what I felt was that I wouldn’t be asked to do that. But I did not question DO’s bringing it up and considering it, so like everything in the classroom it felt like another test that I would pass and it would not be the last such test.

The way I heard Frank speak of that classroom it sounded as if he resented the procedures, saying we had to “toe the line” as if it was drudgery as opposed to performing our task assignments with a sense of feeling very happy and even honored to do so. He said we were to “stay under the radar”, as if we were hiding when a huge part of the classroom overcoming process was to want to be transparent and to enjoy being watched all the time. In this context it would have only been a negative to be watched if we sought to hide something. I think from Franks admission he had something to hide thus appears to have resented being under that Next Level microscope.

Franks case and I, Sawyer also engaged in some deceit and tried to hide some of my behaviors. But to be clear this isn’t always totally conscious, so it may be mostly in hindsight that Frank has developed his apparent disdain for DO and the classroom experience.

Ti and DO used to compare their task on earth to being “undercover” and dropped behind enemy lines to where the only lifeline they had was their remote communication with the Next Level and that the task was so important that they didn’t want to say or do anything that would jeopardize the successful completion of that task. I didn’t see that as illusionary thinking. It made perfect sense to me. But a big part of being undercover was in the procedures they had to use to verify they are receiving instructions from their “heavenly Father” as opposed to the efforts of a human or human equivalent trickster. Before Ti left her vehicle she had taught DO how to engage that “checking” process. Part of that was running things by his “helpers” and/or “overseers”. But that was often combined with his observations of events in the world, with the Waco event.

The basis of having “check partners” was to perform all our tasks with more confidence we were working in accordance to our Older Member’s wishes. And partners were to help us be to our partners a “mirror” other sets of eyes to help us see our self and what we might be thinking, saying or doing differently from what our Older Members had taught. That is what Jesus meant by making one’s eye single – having 100% concentration on one aim – to follow our Older Member wherever he goes and in whatever he would have us do.

We needed to want to be subject to that “radar”. It was part of becoming crew minded and not seeking to shine for shining sake. “Behaving” – living according to the provided behaviors and ways, “Following procedures, the rules, to those that truly wanted to be there were very satisfying, very fulfilling and purposeful feeling. Anyone that has worked in a team effort knows how great it feels to be part of that team and how fun it is to work together as different spokes in the wheel and for those that were fully there, I know they felt that.

I’m not suggesting Frank didn’t experience a lot of this pride and satisfaction, but at least in the way he spoke that was put together by the Pineapple Street crew it would seem he has forgotten about or sees in a different light now.

We developed a lot of procedures surrounding our need to feed these vehicles, to set up the preparation of food as an experiment, which I see as ingenious – simulating the real deal of training to meet the qualifications of becoming a crew member in laboratories that are involved in the mechanics of a vast creation.

So Frank calls DO “controlling” and says he got even more controlling after TI left her vehicle, but the facts are that if one wants to consider him ever to be “controlling”, he became less of that after TI left.

If he became more controlling, then why did he send us back to visit families again in 1987? Why wasn’t their sending us to visit families in 1985 enough after the first 10 years of no such visits. The first visit was spoken of by Ti and Do as relieving anxieties family members had that they became most aware of when they found out about the Newsletter Nancy Brown started. It was because of that visit that Rthody decided to leave and is when Frank and Erika who traveled together would have had the chance to run away together and when I could have run away with “sarah” as we two traveled together (and I felt on the airplane and in a car with her, I did wonder if she was coming on to me, but I ignored it.

Starting in 1987 DO brought in a bunch of books, some about UFO’s, abduction reports, close encounters, UFO Crash at Aztec, that included autopsy reports from Dr. Leonard Stringfield. He started up a little video project I was on the committee for. He sent Lggody and others to UFO conferences in Arkansas and Nevada to video interview leading ufologists.

He started us into all kinds of health and longevity research. We had a little company called, ALERT (Advanced Life Extension Research Team). He had us publish a book called the Transfiguration Diet. I was assigned to drive one of our little carpools. I’d drop off classmates at their “out of craft tasks” (jobs in the world) and then go to mine by myself and during my lunch hour, I chose to visit book stores of my choosing to sell books. I could have easily just cashed my check one day and drove off with a Cadillac. I remember one time even having that thought, though it wasn’t a thought I had been entertaining so it had no affect on me, nor did I have any reason to want to leave.

It seemed we had more frequent times when we were required to spend 20 minutes or so opening the door of our minds to whether there was something in the world we wanted. When that time period was over we were to resume blocking out such thoughts. However, if we had been entertaining such thoughts it would have strengthened such thoughts.

DO offered students $2000 to leave the classroom saying he didn’t want anyone staying because of fear of going back into the world and because life in the classroom had become easy – communal living, no worry about the things humans had to worry about like paying bills, keeping a job, dealing with life in what TI called the “real world” as ours was a simulation of life on a spacecraft and if one person lost a job it didn’t break the bank.

DO brought in more books related to the bible – Strong’s concordance, 4-5 versions of the Bible, Dakes, the Parallel, an Amplified, the dead sea scrolls, about the Essenes, the Nag Hammadi library, the Inner Earth evidence from Admiral Byrd’s expedition and even the book Holy Blood Holy Grael that depicted Jesus tricking people to think he had died and resurrected and instead went to live in France where he started a family. That was not the story we thought happened so DO was providing us with that thinking and I don’t recall that he talked about the book.

DO wrote “’88 Update The UFO Two and their Crew”, in which he revealed before he had awakened how he had been leading a homosexual lifestyle. Who knows whether learning that tested some.

Srrody and I started two companies (DBA’s). One we called, Think Link and the second one was called Word Wise and we tried to secure contract programming jobs and got a few but we were on our own to plan what we would do and how.

Srrody and I started training classmates to do computer programming work. DO didn’t give us procedures on how to do that. Students who were intested in that line of work volunteered. Chkody was one of them, with Glnody.

We started making crosses out of fine/rare woods and inlayed semi-precious stones in some of them. Prkody (who left before Frank and has since died) was a primary and Srrody and I were on the crew and we ended up selling them. Do left us on our own as to their design as there are many different kinds of crosses.

When we dealt with the public at times we started being more honest about who we were, saying we were a monastic group. I remember when Lggody was assigned the primary position to design a portable stand for the two 7 foot diameter satellite dishes we had. I was Lggody’s check partner and he was brother Logan and I was brother Sawyer to the people we bought supplies from. That was a change from hiding the true nature of our group.

I never saw Ti nor Do as controlling anyway. If Frank didn’t want to be there, which he indicated was the case, then he was seeing what he chose to “see”. There was no manipulation and the controls were all voluntary so can’t be rightfully considered controlling.

We were taught to fully control our own vehicles, whether that meant not letting out gas outside the “bath chamber” or not allowing our vehicle to dwell on the past or on sensuality or even in imagining ways to fix the human world.

Finally, I will show how DO actually relaxed certain “controls” as to who could qualify to catch the eye of a member of the Level Above Human. This is shown by the differences between the first and last versions of the document DO wrote entitled, ‘Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure’. At first he expressed that “laying down” of one’s human body was needed to demonstrate one’s bond and leave with him to not be among those who are recycled. He changed it to “preparing to lay down one’s body” while not disqualifying that one could die from natural causes and still have their Soul saved for a future classroom. He also removed the prospect of taking up a firearm so the authorities might assist one in exiting their vehicle (not by doing any harm to anyone with it but just by having it when one might be apprehended by authorities for being a radical and not choosing to submit to being taken to jail on trumped up charges, for example).

As shown by my post on the way DO reduced the qualifications to leaving with him, the edit/update of Undercover “Jesus”… demonstrates without question less “control” over who could aspire to advance towards their own graduation.

Nor did DO demonstrate that “controlling and manipulative” person Frank and others try to paint him as, when Frank told DO he wanted to leave. Is asking him if he is sure evidence of controlling and manipulation? Lets say one of our kids who became an adult didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of their parents – to join and help run the parents’ company. Wouldn’t a good parent try to remind their offspring what they are giving up? That was DO appealing to that part of He and Ti’s Mind that was still in Andody’s vehicle – Frank. DO was showing how he cared for Andody to face him with that prospect. DO didn’t say no, he couldn’t leave or didn’t delay his leaving nor have students try to talk him out of it. Remember Frank had become DO’s student for around 17 years at that point and that meant passing by many “tests.”

Finally, Frank says when he was preparing to leave, “classmates were hovering around to make sure I didn’t take anything I wasn’t supposed to take,” another example of how he was in his own world as we had no instruction to watch him that I was aware of and I was one that took him to the airport. However perhaps Srrody did receive instructions to sort of usher him out of the classroom and that could have included giving back the silver wedding bands we wore, that DO gave us to represent our marriage to him (that TI before she left had told us to show to DO our commitment to him). DO at first started to wear a silver wedding band and then he had an event to where each student received one and he spent time with each student, silently as a more formal solidification of what that ring represented.

It’s interesting how that “marriage” relationship was described by Jesus related to the students in the end time. And it’s also interesting how the Luciferian space alien fallen angels stimulated a facsimile event with the Moonies where they had a huge mass marriage but not to him but to other students and it was nothing like in Ti and Do’s group as they really got married in the states eyes and I imagine were sexual and perhaps some went on to propagate, a distortion of what Jesus taught as for “angels” (in the making even) there is no marriage (as we think of marriage) and no propagation of the species. However, that wasn’t saying if one was married before they made their commitment to the Next Level entirely that they were not able to “marry” their Older Member. That option exists for as long as we each have a human vehicle.

It’s simply human mammalian behaviors needing to be outgrown to literally graduate into Next Level membership.

Glynn say’s DO became “more cruel” but where was there any evidence anywhere that he was ever cruel. What was cruel about he and Ti’s sending 19 students who followed them away from the group? What was cruel about spending all their money they received from donations on us, outfitting us to live outdoors for the first 3+ years without income?

Frank described Erika in the start of this podcast as being “loving, compassionate, bright, and intuitive” and yet he paints a picture of the individual (DO) who she, in the name of Chkody loved and gave her life to, as psychotic, manipulating and controlling and having lost his objectivity that led to her and the other student’s committing suicide. That doesn’t say much about her brightness and intuition.

What’s controlling and manipulative is shown in much of these podcasts, and in this episode in particular by putting such a focus on what Frank says to paint a picture to people that DO was controlling and cruel just like what was done to paint Ti as hypocritical in episode 4. None of these involved with this project are operating with a completely informed perspective so they might want to restrain publicly expressing their negativity. Like Jesus said the way we judge others will be the way we are judged. That’s because we become believers in our own judgement, so continue to draw to us the ramifications of having that judgement and we then become forced to “act it out”, which is why there has been an exponential increase in mass shootings, etc.

To me it’s also manipulative to depict Glynn’s early in life experience in a Christian “cult” that was hardly a cult at all comparing it to the Heaven’s Gate cult when there was nothing about them that were alike except for the references to things Biblical and of Jesus. It can easily be shown that all the religions and even today’s anti-religion groups are far from their origin in the case of Christians from the cultish Jesus teachings.

It’s easy to see how Glynn’s cult experience was not evidenced to have much of the real Jesus in it, thus why it did become an example of Luciferian influenced corruption as Jesus said would happen and spoke to as their being “false Christ(ians),” not even knowing what it means to be engaged in the Christing process – coming to trick people who can be tricked into thinking they are serving the One True Kingdom of God when they don’t know Him hardly, if at all. This is on a person by person basis and even if we do recognize the many ways we’ve been tricked, we can still change and the best advise for that is to seek what’s most true at any cost to previous ideas. That can only happen if we project our asking beyond the stars to reach the highest source we can imagine and then proceeding as a seeker – busting past previous limitations of what what might look like.

I’ve written about the dozens of examples that show how Ti and Do demonstrated the same behaviors and ways and requirements of students that Jesus required to join his cult and yet I get no time to say anything about any of that.

Most of the only things they ended up using from the interviews I gave were things they could use to paint a distorted, hypothetically inaccurate negative slanted picture of the real Ti and Do and crew.

Another example of their focusing on anything that painted a negative picture of Ti and Do and their class was shown in how David (Alxody) during one of his two visits to his vehicle’s family was videoed twisting a phone cord in his fingers. Perhaps it was nervous energy as he was subject to scrutiny from his brother(s) around then, but perhaps he always had some nervous energy. We all knew he had a lot of force. The point is why spend any time on that when there are hundreds of things to focus on that could directly inform the listener to more of the truth about Ti and Do and their group.

With all this said, I do still appreciate hearing all of what they found to put together into this series and I know the pressure of being a somewhat mainstream media organizations that needs to attract advertisers and not upset certain people in high places is enormous to negotiate and of course the status quo thinking is overwhelmingly against even considering for a second that Ti and Do could have been exactly who they said they were.

 

 

Pineapple Street and CNN produce new podcast and doc with some new looks at TI and DO’s infamous Heaven’s Gate

October 11, 2017

There are two new broadcasts re: Heaven’s Gate about to be aired.

The first one is produced by the Pineapple Street Media, a 10 part podcast series that starts for premium members of Stitcher.com today October 10, 2017 and will be broadcast on Stitcher for free on October 18, 2017.

Snap Judgement’s Glynn Washington is the host.

Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate

The second one is by CNN and is to be aired on October 29, 2017. Here is a brief lead to their broadcast:

The Mystery of Heaven’s Gate (airdate: Oct. 29) In the mid-1970s, hundreds of people begin disappearing without a trace. Distraught families are left wondering about their loved ones for decades, until March of 1997, when shocking news about a mysterious religious group makes headlines around the world. Told through exclusive interviews with those who experienced this event firsthand…this episode follows the story of Heaven’s Gate.

This story was produced as part of season two of this series listed entirely via this link:

HLN True Crime Docuseries “How It Really Happened with Hill Harper” Returns for Second Season Oct. 15

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Here are a couple articles announcing the podcast broadcast:

New podcast investigates Heaven’s Gate ritualistic mass suicide
http://www.10news.com/home/new-podcast-investigates-heavens-gate-ritualistic-mass-suicide

ABC10 out of Los Angeles report by Amanda Brandels – amanda.brandeis@10news.com <amanda.brandeis@10news.com>;

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (KGTV) – A podcast set to be released this month takes a deeper look into the Heaven’s Gate ritualistic mass suicide, which left 39 people dead in a Rancho Santa Fe mansion.

Produced by Stitcher, listeners will hear from family members, experts and those who still believe in the group’s theological principles.

Host Glynn Washington, raised in a cult himself, helps uncover new insights and perspectives about the event, which rocked the nation and world.

A first glimpse of the podcast is available here.

Listeners can subscribe now and listen to the first episode on Oct. 18.

You can listen to the podcast one week early and ad-free by becoming a premium member.

Stitcher is owned by the parent company of 10News, the E.W. Scripps Company.

Copyright 2017 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate

twitter: @heavensgateshow
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Here is another article:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/missing-richard-simmons-host-dan-taberski-joins-heavens-gate-podcast-1046028

‘Missing Richard Simmons’ Host Dan Taberski Joins ‘Heaven’s Gate’ Podcast (Exclusive)

8:33 AM PDT 10/5/2017 by Natalie Jarvey

The 10-episode project, which will explore what led to one of the largest mass suicides in U.S. history, will be hosted by Glynn Washington.

Dan Taberski is reuniting with the team behind Missing Richard Simmons for a new podcast that will explore what happened inside the Heaven’s Gate cult.

The Missing Richard Simmons host is joining Heaven’s Gate as a writer. The 10-episode project will be hosted by Glynn Washington of Snap Judgment.

Washington told The Hollywood Reporter that the podcast won’t just focus on the mass suicide of Heaven’s Gate members; it will also delve into the lives of the people who joined the group and seek to answer questions about how the suicide happened.

Washington spoke to family members, survivors and other people involved with Heaven’s Gate for the project. “These people are real people who made real choices for real reasons, and we wanted to explore that,” he said.

Washington explained that his interest in the topic comes from his own background growing up in a cult (his family was a part of a religious organization called the Worldwide Church of God). “The lens through which the project is viewed is my own,” he said. “I can’t do this without bringing my own background to these questions.”

Washington said that Taberski was an important addition to the team. “He’s got a great touch as a writer,” he added. “Bringing Dan on is a demonstration of how much excitement [there is] about this project and the commitment to making sure that it works.”

Heaven’s Gate hails from Stitcher, which is a part of E.W. Scripps’ Midroll Media podcasting division, and is being produced in collaboration with Pineapple Street Media. It is set to premiere Oct. 18. The trailer can be listened to here.

Natalie.Jarvey@thr.com
twitter: @natjarv
HollywoodReporter.com

 

Underground Cities and the Futile Race to Prepare for Forcast Planetary Recycling of the Human Civilizational “Garden”

September 8, 2017

Underground Cities and the Futile Race to Prepare for Forcast Planetary Recycling of the Human Civilizational “Garden”

There has been a great deal of evidence, though mostly underground that the US govt and other governments have been building underground cities for at least the last 40 years, before so called “global warming” and “climate change” were made into buzz words and attached to coming about because of humans.

This was forecast to take place:

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

There is also ample evidence of global cooling and global warming well before the combustion engine was developed. There is the “little ice age”. Plus there have been major hurricanes all over the planet, often called typhoons dated well before the industrial revolution.

The reasons for the underground cities seems to be initially to hide what was happening in relationship to the Space Aliens that became evident on earth in the 1940’s and 1950’s via UFO Crashes (that were initially staged by returning members of the Physical Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human, but were followed by facsimili crashes to confuse humans who would confiscate and cover up that truth. The need for underground cities was compounded in the 1960’s out of fear of nuclear war with the Soviet Union but it escalated further with one of the first near miss asteroids back in the 1990’s.

I believe one of the reasons the DEMS (Gore, etc.) began to promote the human caused climate change, because some may have actually believed it, but along with the fact that to have an energy source that wasn’t so hard to generate and store, for their underground city development meant needing to direct money to alternative power development and to boost nuclear developments that continued after 3 mile island and Chernobyl (but not in the public sectors, though there are a number of new nuke projects underway for general power).

But nuke fuel development continued all along and is used to power the many space satellites and scopes because it’s light weight fuel cells can power the electronics relatively indefinitely. But even solar and wind energy system development, though cleaner aren’t safe from what’s happening all over the earth, especially at this time and to come. For instance for those who watch the sun activity (and it’s no coincidence that there are several space telescopes that watch the sun 24/7, and the video streams are available for anyone to watch.

Just like the building of underground shelters is an obvious sign that elites in particular know what’s coming though misunderstand from whom and why, watching the sun is another obvious sign. As a matter of fact watching the sun shows lots of evidence that the solar wind from coronal mass ejections are the most significant cause of global warming and climate changes as the gamma radiation bursts have escalated and especially at this time, which heats up the air and water all over the earth when those bursts (CME and Solar Flares) are earth facing.

There is evidence accumulated over the last 20 or so years that following these bursts goes right to the core of the earth and moves the magma (rock and/or molten carbon that is throughout the western US several hundred miles beneath the surface, that also can cause tetonic plates to move, thus earthquakes and volcanic eruption activity that in the last 15 years especially has escalated a great deal and can not be logically tied to human fossil fuel burning.

However, there are humans and it’s also part of the propaganda machine to say all of these “natural” events are being driven by humans using HARPP and chem-trail weather modification experiments and fracking, etc. but then can’t explain how these kinds of events have been happening all throughout recent recorded history, though are at an all time high (though can be argued that we now have better ways to measure seismic activity, etc.)

So at this time, since many can see how the religions have all become corrupted from their original founders teachings, they gravitate to putting their “faith” in what we’re told is “science” which in many respects has become a new form of “religion” (belief system) that is believed by many no matter what is said and anyone who questions what we are told becomes a dissident and is put down and shunned as unaware and not intelligent with all their name calling while most of the media tows the various party lines – most often filled with propaganda that if one investigates finds out their “science” is often pseudo science to keep funding and to not become as libel when things go wrong with the “science”, the same as occurs with the religions as things go wrong with their organizations.

Coverups are the norm and taking advantage of every mishap goes along with the coverups and propagandizing to redirect wealth to black budgeted programs galore. Examples are how the elites profited by Katrina and Sandy which I know will happen with Harvey and now with Irma, etc.

I follow a number of Christian YouTube science geeks and love what they are observing through the NASA and other earth geological and space science department sources but see their correlation with prophecies, though accurate on one level often not contextual with their own “scriptures” they have been brainwashed to pay attention to while ignoring many others that paint a different picture entirely, so much so that many Christians have unbeknown to them become their own dreaded antichrist.

The truth is that the earth was designed and is not in any danger of drying up or blowing up, but is equip to start a recycling when the designer living Beings choose to instigate those processes, which they do gradually in their time frame which is like 1 day to them like 1000 years to humans so we get breaks in between disasters where we can ponder what happened each time, and even forget about it and not link it with anything.

However, the time in between natural and man made calamities may become much shorter as a recycling is on the docket that’s no longer just hearsay. The earth was going to be recycled this time via “fire” and that fire includes the solar wind and the increase in humans showing what they are passionate about even including hate of others. And then there are the massive fires on the more physical level resulting from drought most focused in the western states that became the new “temple” geography. And that’s not all by far. The sun can send out a burst that fries most all our electronics, though no doubt the elites are preparing for that too but are no match for the Next Level’s sun developments.

One could also pay attention to the FRB’s (fast radio bursts) detected from space in 2015 and just now in 2017. Ever since the so called Roswell crashes there has been a major effort to build satellite dishes that just exist to receive radio signals from space, another so called coincidence and clue to reality. There was a spike detected in 2015 and just this past august of 2017 days after the great American eclipse another burst followed by Hurricane Harveys devastation of Houston and surrounding areas.

And then there is the Houston Connection to those who were named Ti and Do of the Heaven’s Gate “cult” but I’ll leave that to those who seek it out. But in short, there is a great deal of evidence that they were the return of the One called The Father (Jehovah) and the One who was in the flesh vehicle named “Jesus” as He foretasted.

We all can benefit from looking at the whole picture so that we can be prepared for what is to come and help others with that preparation as people will be dying left and right from heart failure seeing all that’s happening that is so fearful because they have not opened up to seek out more of what’s most true and real about everything.

Death of our and other’s human bodies is not pleasant to deal with but it’s not the end of our “life” unless we don’t while in a body gravitate to showing the Next Level Above Human our allegiance, instead of to humans and human governments and organizations and belief or non-belief systems. We can do that by projecting our asking for help with showing that allegiance to the highest Living Being we can imagine who exist beyond the stars. This assures our request won’t be intercepted by discarnates and/or the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls.

Metamorphosis – FSB’s – Sun=Global Warming – Hurricanes prophecy

September 6, 2017

Metamorphosis – FSB’s – Sun=Global Warming – Hurricanes prophecy

There was a RadioLab (NPR show) that talked about what actually has been observed to happen inside a cocoon. (The Link to that RadioLab show is provided in the description of this YouTube video I made).

The gist of the show describes the science re: the way the caterpillar body completely disappears – turns into “goo” but apparently still carries certain programming it established while a caterpillar into it’s new butterfly body. This is so interesting compared to what Ti and Do taught about a human body being able to also go through a metamorphosis. They even talk about a “reverse metamorphosis” that DO once mentioned as what Adam experienced when he broke instructions and “fell” that enabled his Next Level grown (made) body to revert to mammal behaviors to reproduce like a mammal. DO said that reverse didn’t take very long to transpire. TI and DO also said Jesus completed his “changeover” (metamorphosis) in the event told as the “Transfiguration” when he and 3 of his students were visited by Two Beings who spoke to him about laying down his vehicles life at that time to complete the task he was sent to do. In other words, the task was to voluntarily die their human vehicle according to instructions from the Older Member provided directly and having completed that “overcoming” (christing, christening) process enabled the new body literally growing inside the old body to heal the old body that died. I believe Ti said that it’s a characteristic of a Next Level member to be able to heal their body in 3 1/2 days. I guess the new body grown from it’s “deposit” has that capacity, perhaps kin to the way certain creatures can regrow body parts they lose for whatever reason. The Next Level gives us all these examples that can serve as clues to broaden our understanding and thus gain “faith” that is actually defined as “evidence of things unseen” as DO had me read from scripture on one of the sessions I was a helper on in the “Beyond Human – The Last Call” video series.

Links:
-Metamorphosis science: http://www.radiolab.org/story/goo-and-you/
-FSB (Fast Radio Bursts recorded: https://www.yahoo.com/news/frbs-repeating-radio-signals-coming-180300017.html
-Solar X flares – Solar Wind heats air and water and gamma radiation to core of earth and stimulates earthquakes:

-Irma and Juan all part of Jesus forcast of “sea and waves roaring” during this 4th Seal Harvest (pulling up of Tares) time.
-Massive heat under yellowstone is not Magma (moulten rock) but is moulten carbon: https://youtu.be/6AJ5YKnzwHI
-Hurricane Prophecy Interpretation: Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Zika Emergency Manufactured by the Revelations’ BEASTS

February 8, 2016
A link to the evidence follows at the end of this post.
But here’s my interpretation, hopefully what Ti and Do might say:
Excellent research on what’s most likley behind the WHO’s declaration of the global emergency allegedly caused by the Zika virus. The French were among those who didn’t buy it right off the bat and it was obvious to many of us as reported on Alternet.com. What this article clearly points to are several vaccinations administered to pregnant women in Brazil and who is behind the funding of those vaccination programs but the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. It can even look like an effort to contain bad reactions to vaccinations and as a reduction effort to reduce the populations by people fearing sex and pregnancy – stimulating more illegal abortions in Brazil as they have no legal abortions – and the evidence suggests Zika present in a single diget amount of mircroencypheline cases.
As reported before, it seems these vaccination programs pushed on people and unsuspecting pregnant women is directly applicable to the Rev 16:2 prophecy that will affect ALL who give their trust and allegience to the BEASTS (U.S. and E.U. – the heads of the New World Order that is shown by the WHO to be quite effectively a control mechanism of the “sheeple” as some like to refer to the religious but is by no means limited to religious.
I would also not be surprised to hear about other mutations being covered up as I have little doubt genetic engineering experimentations with human embryos is in progress as was reported in the alleged Dulce, NM underground base that was also alleged to be jointly operated by some human equivalent space alien race(s) with humans in the 1970’s and recently I’ve seen some reports of someone who blew the whistle saying he saw animals with mixed breeding evidenced like I think he said a rabbit with a cat head or a toad with a long snake neck and head, as was in part reported about Dulce. To think this is sci-fi can be another form of brainwashing to think amidst these deformed babies from the so called Zika virus. How do we know these engineering programs aren’t being performed in countries with less ramifications when the populus shows signs of their experimentation as they extend their testing to human populations or a virus the use often in the genetic engineering escapes their control mechanisms.
Frankenstein, and Nazi experimentation is not just a story or something of the past and limited to dictatorial regimes past but right in our midst that is becoming the “karma” for all who trust governments and their institutions (though not saying to not take advantage of the helps the medical establishment can provide when we KNOW WE NEED that HELP but not for using their concoctions as preventative while seeking to find more naturally occurring solutions to problems.
The idea of finding natural solutions to problems was part of Ti and Do’s efforts. They weren’t against using pharmaceutical medications by prescription and over the counter such as for headache relief or to dry up a runny nose, etc. But it was interesting that I just read how it was reported from some people who knew classmates when they were building their earthship near Manzano, and renting office space that among their plans for the earthship “fortress” was what they called a “pharmacy” along with a bakery and nutri-lab and mess hall, etc. When I say that I knew it wasn’t going to be a pharmacy like at Rite Aid or Walgreens, etc. Before Ti left her vehicle we did have what they called the “dispensary”. At the time we were experimenting with consuming liquid diets that were nutritious – part of weaning us from sensual stimulus from food consumption. (They weren’t trying to give us things that tasted terrible. It wasn’t about being deprived of all pleasure in that regard. It was designed that They (Ti and Do would decide what pleasures were appropriate). This way any pleasure the vehicle received was according to instruction and that’s what bonding with the Older Members is about – grafting to their Mind in every respect in the ways they were led to provide us with.) So I suspect that’s what they meant by “pharmacy” – a department that used herbs and tinctures, homoeopathic and other nutritional substances for health sustainability – at that time not knowing how much longer they would be on earth.
Here is the link:

Atlanta Green Asteroid=Sign of NASA disinformation re: CERES LIGHTS

December 19, 2015

Last week, NASA announced publicly that what they called the “bright spots” on Ceres in the Ocular Crater were some type of magnesium salts. Now people are lining up behind that announcement as a fact, as usual, because that’s what they want to believe. I even saw long-term ufologist and author, Linda Moulton Howe support NASA’s announcement. She rose to UFO fame by documenting in books the many cow mutilations in Colorado, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Montana, etc. that had been reported/investigated starting in the early to mid 1970’s that the FBI even sought to question Ti and Do about when they gave a public meeting in Colorado in 1975, thinking the then called UFO Cult could have been responsible which couldn’t have been further from the truth. She is a regular guest on Coast to Coast radio.

As a side note, around late 1987 when Do started considering going public for the second time after nearly 17 years of silence, he had us form a little video company with a steering committee that consisted of Lggody, Jwnody, Chkody, Dncody, Alxody, Srrody and Swyody. Lggody and Jwnody researched and bought two video cameras and went to several UFO conferences, one being a well-known annual one in Arkansas, perhaps Littlerock, while we lived up Boulder Canyon in Colorado. At the conference they interviewed and filmed several like Linda Moulten Howe and a Brit with the last name of English and also contacted Whitley Streiber and others. We didn’t end up doing anything with that footage but it led to Do’s attempting to figure out what Ti would have him do as was the Next Level way to ask and then try things that occurred to us or we were led to, like by observing media reports and such, after asking. Soon after that Do wrote “’88 update – The UFO Two and Their Crew” which we mailed out to a number of organizations and people.

To me this is clearly a spin as was always expected as NASA was careful not to show many of the pictures they took on this latest article and neglected to talk about the tests they did on the “lights” to determine whether they were a light source or an element reflection and at least one of the two “bright spots” was determined to be a light source. Also NASA avoided the truth about how the Dawn spacecraft first was scheduled to go to CERES – as the Hubble had taken photos of what looked like one very bright light on Ceres in 2003 and 2004 from several angles. If they were salts, how would a mere reflection of light be visible to that large degree to be seen from Hubble at 347-400 miles from Earth and thus 256+ million miles from Ceres without having a significant power source behind it to project it that far with that degree of brightness. Of course on this score, what humans don’t know they can use to their advantage if it’s in their interest to do so. They can always say it’s an element and natural emanation because of the equivalent of volcanic activity or some equivalent – something they can leave unresolved. Leaving it unresolved is fine of course as that’s the most reasonable thing to do, so why did they have to leave that position and say it’s salts unless they want to use that idea in some way. NASA is not a casual organization and became part of the department of defense during this current 21st century so unless something is genuinely leaked, which can also be directed or stimulated or allowed on purpose, it has a reason to come to the public eye or not and how it comes public.

So I suspect the Next Level stimulated this “green fireball/asteroid” near the NASA hq’s in Atlanta to enlighten what they did so that people like me who know the Next Level’s reality and follow all this space and space alien activity can point out the discrepancies in the story/observations for the sake of any who are interested in the truth to consider.

I have to admit when NASA came out with this report of the “bright spots” as salts this last time, as some suggested it in July amid the many pictures that were analyzed, though I was fairly certain due to prophecy I was analyzing at the time, regarding the “green horse” of Revelations 6 that is about to come to the fore with the next presidential election – as a part of the 7th Trump of revelations, to where what comes with this 4th horse (human vehicle) is “death” that is shown in all ways and we see being stimulated in the increases of disturbances of all kinds because of the way “truth” and Next Level reality as it comes to the fore also stimulates humans to act in all passionate (fires) ways that includes unbridled violence against themselves and others, I wondered whether the bright spots were put there or revealed by the Next Level to be seen by Hubble and could actually be some type of element’s projection of light, even the elements several countries are now looking for and trying to manufacture in places like CERN to use to power the anti-gravity spacecrafts they received from space aliens and their own models.

And even though that may be the case that these are some type of element, call it a salt, I think the Next Level Older Members and Crew (Ti and Do, and student body) do what they do in such a way to allow humans to have any interpretation they want as that then becomes an avenue for those who are the biggest seekers to have a sense of the ultimate truths which they can only really have if the Next Level gave them, perhaps as a baby a deposit of their Mind to be able to see the truth when it’s provided even though even to those it will remain a puzzle to consider.

It’s not about having absolute answers when it comes to things like this. Even if we did have what we might think is an absolute answer, if our mind was not geared to look for the creators (Next Level) in it, then it would soon diminish as an absolute answer and would fade into imagination and of no value to the Next Level as what they are doing is nurturing those they chose to help choose what they wanted that these events in space, among the sun, moon, planets, stars, etc. become “sign posts” of.

So when this asteroid was shot across the bow of Atlanta, presumably NASA and looked GREEN to people who saw it, to go with the Green (harvest) horse and all the other GREEN aspects to our times as related to Revelations 6:8 that by the way was translated inaccurately as “pale” in that verse, it seemed to me to be a sign that relate all this to whoever is interested to consider it.

By the way, there have been many lights seen all over Ceres all the more reason to believe the entire planet may very well be a Next Level base meant to be seen when the technology on Earth was able to see it (Hubble) and go to it to examine closer while still remaining a puzzle that provides the full range of choices for all of us to consider.

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/12/18/meteor-fireball-terrorizes-georgia-res

Having read this article as I always do I review the comments and found this one below that I commented to.

Commenter on article:

is that not true a big asteroid has destroyed the life of dinosaurs on the earth? some big craters are clearly visible on the different parts of the earth. its is also observed that Mars had a very advanced life but they were suddenly removed due to a big disaster, what was that? last week curiosity sent a picture showing that a big asteroid of the size of a huge mountain was collided with the surface of Mars which has been destroyed the life on the Mars planet..
it is time to turn our faces towards Almighty Allah and it is time to read Holy Book of Quran to recognized the truth. In Quran we can find many generations which were destroyed on the earth and the reasons of their destruction and crimes.

Sawyers reply to comment:

The Luciferian space aliens are the fallen angels Enoch, Moses, Isaiah and Jesus, Gautama Buddha, Mohammad (I don’t know the Quran or the Bhagavad Gita that well so can’t site specific things these said about fallen angels or “jin”), spoke about and who (Luciferians) always twisted the truth, what is real into religions when the reality is that the Creators no matter what terms we use to talk about them, Allah, Elohim, Theos, God were referring to a “many membered (physically represented angels, archangels) kingdom Above Human, actually evolutionarily above, just like plant is above mineral and animal above plant and human above animal, there is yet another strata of genuine life who created it all but who also use physical bodies they grow (made not begotten) in their environments on spacecrafts that make UFO reports of metallic crafts look primitive, whose spacecrafts can even be “living beings” as evidenced by Ezekiel’s writings and related to the Book of Revelations as well. Humans and Earth is The Kingdom of God(s) from the literal heavens (sky-outer space) experiment to grow souls to become new members of their society/community – genuine Family.
The fact that this asteroid was reported as making a huge  green flash over Atlanta at this time is a sign to me and especially since NASA just distorted the truth about the “lights” on Ceres where Ceres (Roman) like Demeter (Greek) refers to the goddess of the harvest that is coming into full fruition with the next U.S. presidential election that coincides with the “green horse” of Rev 6:8 following the black/blue (democratic) horse that is being fulfilled by Barak Obama with the endless financial crisis and the red/ruddy (republican) horse fulfilled by G.W. Bush with endless global war on terror (they (US and allies) stimulated in Iraq, Afghanistan and many places in the middle east – especially since the start of the 20th century), though everyone has responsibility for propagating since the start of the current civilization.
I have a huge amount to say about this because it’s clear to me that those called the Father and Jesus already returned in the new physical human bodies who took the names Ti and Do, a Woman (Rev 12) and male, her “son” she births to the throne, this being the One who last served in the physical vehicle named Jesus.
I mean no disrespect for the Quran and Mohammad, but the full truth is that Jesus was the last one (before Ti and Do) to provide the most truth about the reality of what Ti and Do referred to in plainer terms (as Jesus said he would upon his return) “The Evolutionary Level Above Human”.
Ti and Do have since left their incarnations (in carnal=in the flesh as/like the “son of man” (offspring human, man faced, blood in face) as they came to take their first fruits through their “spirit birth” – actually graduation from the human evolutionary kingdom but they are still working closely with all who can SEE/HEAR them through their 25 years of what they said and did.
I can prove what I say by ALL the prophecy and would like to expand that to all the prophecy in the Quran if someone could help me with it since I don’t  have it’s contents on my mind like I do the Torah and New Testament prophecies.
It’s interesting that you use a white horse in your icon. Do (doe, from the notes of the song the sound of music – the Rev 14 “song”) came sitting on a “white horse” which had a “white head and hair” physical human vehicle – the people that largely came from Magog, the third who migrated from the Kingdom of Juda and spread out their genes throughout the world, but mostly to Europe and then to the U.S. for the location of the Kingdom of God’s return as Jesus indicated would not be to the middle east again because they always killed those sent to that location. He took this white vehicle to overcome/conquer it – perhaps the “race” that had become the most Luciferian in behavior and ways, though all humans are under the programming from the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens, though are all given equal chances to rise out of as one must overcome all racial consciousness and ethnic consciousness and religious identity and human mammalian behaviors and ways to graduate into the Level Above Human via the direction from the Older Members who come incarnate from that Kingdom and who always talk about what’s required to graduate that is always twisted into a country club like religion but that acts as a filter of those who are ready to “purify” (make white as in holy/light) – not racial coloration to become students towards their graduation, which today will be by going through the “winepress”.
There is so much to say but they exited (Ti and Do and their 38+4 first fruit true “saints” their incarnations in march of 1997 seen by the world over as the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” – the ONLY total truth group. They layed down their lives completely voluntarily as I can prove as I was with them for 19 years but failed to graduate my class but was given another chance via their coming to me in dreams to help me. Anyway I am nobody except in how I can be a servant of Ti and Do until I leave. You can find Ti and Do’s information all over the internet – youtube.
Overcoming is actually a metamorphosis like the caterpillar to a butterfly. It does require at least beginning to separate from the human caterpillar world. The task today is to learn all about Ti and Do and believe everything they said and taught and believe that they are the latest representatives from the creators’ kingdom who created everything and all life forms and then to “take a stand in defense of that belief and sustain that stand until our exit of our physical vehicle no matter how that occurs, accepting the consequences of doing so”.
There is no group to join, no person on earth to follow, nothing to buy, no government to support. The most proof of what I say will only be provided to those who ask our Father in the literal heaven’s in deep outer space where no humans or space aliens are permitted for the truth and then watch for the hints of proof that will be given and choose their recognition from the One True Kingdom of God, Level Above Human. Peace be unto you, the peace of our Heavenly Fathers, the peace of Ti and Do.

Gov’t Conspiracy or Alien/Discarnate reason for Swats near Terrorist Attacks

December 12, 2015

A blogger I follow reported on a list of so-called coincidences between many of the Terrorist attacks and mass killing gun violence as in Paris, France and in America at San Bernardino and in NYC with 9/11 and the London train bombing on 7/2007 with the presence of Swat teams nearby on the same day. There were swat team trainings going on at the very  moment of the San Bernardino, 9/11 and London subway bombings that make them look like the attacks were planned by the governments involved. (which I don’t tend to believe) but feel there is more to it to consider. I do believe the govt has all kinds of deceitful dealings but I doubt this is one of them. I suspect the big claims that many of these are “false flags” is a way to sow more seeds of confusion with what is or isn’t really happening. The link to the article follows at the end of this post but here is my input:

I can think of two related explanations for these so called coincidences based on what Ti and Do taught:

1) Ti and Do taught that humans/spirits before they die, (in this context though applies for all human activity) if they were hateful or vengeful or jealous and angry and/or self righteous and believe themselves justified to any behavior to include even killing other humans for all their reasons, when they die – drop the vehicle, they continue to “be who they were” even if who they were was in mind alone. In other words, if while living the extent of their demonstration of these hateful vibrations was kept inside their head they still died with that programming and thus would vibrate that way to influence any human with their programming in what they would then justify as helpful and a projection of their “belief”. So if they are a soldier or intelligence officer or general or the like when they die, they don’t cease being that but they have to go to others in living vehicles to get their fix of expressing their program by stimulating them to enact their behaviors to satisfy themselves. In the old days these were called “evil spirits” but that becomes a relative condition. Thus, they can be aware of plots and can also alert other humans to those plots but they have to interface with the living humans who are not conscious of all that’s going on behind the scenes so they would say to a commander, “start a drill in Paris” or NYC for this day knowing well that there is a plot to attack that day. If they told the human there was a plot the human wouldn’t know what to do with that unless they had names and faces and locations and timing to start an investigation, which also takes place to give humans hunches or intuition. For this reason there are also humans who decide not to go to places where an impending attack is about to happen. They can be distracted and think, Oh, I’m going to skip that concert or whatever or leave early or get there late or go to the bathroom at the time of the attack or in some way have a sense to keep them out of harms way. Those would be considered “guardian angels” – spirits that may or may not be working for the Next Level but could be assigned to watch over certain ones the Next Level wants to  protect which an also be the case for humans space aliens want to protect which brings us to the second example I can think of.

2) The Space Aliens are not really much different from humans in their desires and beliefs and ideas. Ti and Do said they were all “human equivalents”. They have agenda’s and they allow for collateral damage in forwarding their agenda’s so can be peace loving and promoting and also be promoting warring (just like we see in humans who are primarily at the controls of any human department of life – like American’s or French justifying killing while saying they want peace – the reason for their killing). Therefore they can be behind the stimulus that includes alerting certain humans to schedule drills at the time they knew the attacks  were planned in order to implicate the governments because it’s a facsimile way of targeting souls who are already suspicious of governmental conspiracies, but it then looks human instigated that gives rise to a bigger and bigger security state to keep more and more rebels under their thumb and keep people from seeing who is really behind the misdeeds that humans then participate in.

Do (of Ti and Do) indicated that the space aliens have ways of transmitting their thoughts and ideas to humans in a bulk kind of way and know how to teach discarnate (dead humans) to facilitate.

Each human is a type of computer system. The discarnates naturally seek to use living humans to “live through”, the only way they can experience life and it’s energy buzz. These spirits are like software that desires to run on an operating system and they seek out the humans that can best serve the program they were created from, when they were the emanation from their own human body.

The space aliens know well how this works and use it all the time to herd humans and discarnates to their causes. If they can keep humans confused and certainly not assigning any of this to them then they have captured those humans and can manipulate them like robots, so when they have a human who can attract other humans, they can use them in the way we saw the U.S. public motivated to go to war in Iraq or to bomb Syria, etc.

This also influences humans away from showing Next Level allegiance – the One True Evolutionary Level Above Human that created everything who they oppose and resent because of how they are actually in prison on earth, can no longer venture very far into space, though they are trying to use humans for.

The Next Level has turned up the “heat” by also having a program to stimulate humans and space aliens to “be who they are” – show allegiance to them and their ways or to the space aliens and their human ways. It’s like putting a strong  light/heat source on a bee hive or ant hill. Too much will fry them all but just a gradual increase stimulates them and that stimulus for humans in increased passion (fire) that can be expelled/used in all sensory ways or directed to a stronger connection to the Next Level Older Members who oversee their garden’s soul growth. When they left their incarnations in 1997 that started the increased “heat” and light that began to reveal more truth surrounding everything and there have been further increases and then leveling off periods with the latest increase this year starting with the “light sources on dwarf planet Ceres” the physical observable example of increased awareness of what’s not normally in our scope or reality reference.

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2015/12/11/look-at-all-the-bizarre-coincidences-surrounding-77-911-newtown-paris-norway-batman-theatre-san-bernardino-terrrorist-attacks/