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DO Audio Transcript – Inverness CA May 1994 – Part 4 of 8 – Controlling Our Thoughts, Eyes, Ears and Hands

July 13, 2019
(Transcribed by Nisha – Edited by Sawyer)
DO: What about that door?
Drr: I’m not sure – we can close it.
DO: you probably could hear someone approaching better if we didn’t?
Chk: …think… haven’t come up…
DO: okay
DO: Let’s talk for a few minutes about application of technique of change, becoming a new creature I hate to even use that term because it sounds like some spiritual process. Well I guess it is because it’s getting rid of the old spirit and bringing in the new Next Level stuff.

It’s interesting to me that, in the night I was – well I told you in last night’s meeting that the Next Level Mind probably had the shape of, you know arms and legs, the image that we think of… Oh was that the mic?

Student: Yeah.

DO: Oh, I’ll try to keep my hands off of it.

This sounds a little crazy and sounds a little far out and not information I’m saying is gospel but the thought that occurred to me that the Next Level Mind can take on whatever shape, can take over the shape of the vehicle that will service it for the task that is assigned.

Theoretically, probably then, outside of any vehicle, that Mind can very easily just be a blob if it wasn’t into a vehicle to function, according the mechanism of a vehicle, and of course the mechanism of the vehicle is, just as a computer has certain hardware, certain software just as the human animal we occupy now has a brain that has certain capacities, and the electrical system of it and that different vehicles have different systems that can handle the task, so the reason I guess that was given to me was because it helped me understand that what we had identified TI as – in the time that when these in the class associated with TI in a physical vehicle we felt we pictured TI as the vehicle that she was wearing, well ‘she’ not TI, was wearing, because the vehicle was ‘she’, TI certainly wasn’t ‘she’.

And yet the picture I had that when TI – when the allotment for the amount of TI that was to be given away or taken – in other words I take I take from TI – this is you know when you take nourishment from your Older Member you actually take the Mind. It goes in, it fills you it’s the Mind its stuff that comes through me and there is an allotment of that Mind for this task just as there’s an allotment as far as what was assigned to TI’s vehicle. Now I don’t necessarily know all that was in TI’s vehicle at any given time was all of that allotment or if TI could draw from certain amount of other allotment but when that allotment ran out then that’s all there was for that allotment of that task.

But that allotment that was given was not TI at all. It was that little portion of TI that was allotted for that task that we identified with.
So, if there was a little of TI left at the time that the vehicle collapsed then that little blob just went and added back to the blob that is TI. Do you follow what I’m saying?

And would probably had been enough of a blob to add to the vehicle that was TI to have in the memory of the task.

So that then TI used to always say that she — that there was part of TI in spacecraft or there was part of TI and Do in spacecraft. So it helped — well this is kind of corny but a bunch of Jesus’ disciples left him when he started saying you know: “Unless you drink My blood and eat My flesh you know you won’t enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” and it was unless you take that Mind unless you use it as nourishment unless it becomes a part of you unless it’s the building blocks for your own mind – your possession, it’s not really yours, it’s Next Level Mind but it’s yours for the time that you have it within your keeping. And like we spoke of last night and unless you abuse it then it’s taken away from you.

Even when it’s taken from you there still remains a memory in the hardware of what was there and like there’s some students now that were in the classroom for an extended period of time and are not in the classroom and yet they’re plagued by what is still in their memory bank. It disturbs them because they know that what they knew it was right and that they knew that it was true and they try to get rid of it because in order to be comfortable in the world they don’t like to be plagued with this being true because there’s conflict for a student to try and get comfortable back in the world. Some of you know what I’m talking about?(*class laughs*)

Okay let’s talk about the technique of expelling Mind that is not compatible Mind that we have to abort in order to receive more Mind.
By the way, I felt like I gave a lot away last night now I couldn’t have given it away had you not drank it. Had you not pulled it in and in other words… I was trying to give it away and you took it. And I could feel that a great deal of it was taken from me and that makes me very very happy, for you! Because the more that I give away the closer I’m getting to the completion of my task and the more you’re becoming products that can be viable or individuals that can be viable and not need to worry about losing your life as long as you’re hooked.

When you can stay hooked on the Next Level and that’s all you want and you’re hooked on your Older Members and you’re hooked on others who are doing this and there’s such a bond there, such a new grafting that’s taking place and you’re hooked then you’re in an excellent position to grow very quickly and to receive a lot and you– whoops, sorry (*mic problem*)

Okay I still haven’t got around what I wanted to talk about and I said that 60 minute tape would be adequate.

Okay some real practical application. I think what you want to get into the regular habit of doing is start sustaining a consciousness 24 hours a day of examining the quality of what is in your head and examining: Are the thoughts that I’m thinking compatible with my Older Members Mind? Are they thoughts of the Next Level or are they thoughts of the world?

In other words, am I – is it a mixture that’s oil and water and doesn’t mix. In other words examine what is in your Mind, examine what is in the impulses of the animal that you’re wearing. And this can be done, this primarily has to be done in your silence. You don’t have to sit and twiddle your thumbs or be in a meditative state it’s whatever you’re doing wherever you’re going – whether your doing Fibre-Lab or vital signs or working in Consuming Lab if you were to examine the quality of the thoughts that are passing through your head and make a habit of examining them and sorting them out as: “this is appropriate, this is inappropriate” and aborting those things that are not–now how do I abort?

You have to, you have to kind of format your language and the strength of impression behind your language just as you would have a delete key on your computer when you say “get out!” or “Good night I don’t want that” or “Stop it!” or “get out of here” now “Get out of here” is probably one of the most used phrases in our whole word processing now first of all we probably recognize it and say oh good might! I didn’t realize what I was entertaining — so when it becomes distasteful and you recognize that it’s not compatible with Next Level Mind or Older Members Mind then you immediately delete or say get out. Actually, run it out it is like a presence that can be run out. I won’t call it a living presence because I can’t really think that the Mind of this world has seekers status – this is living matter that you’re putting in now, that’s not living matter but nevertheless it is a blob of information that does respond to your command in the same way that spirits are run off when you exorcize spirits or whatever.
You actually have to give commands for that thought to leave you. If the thought doesn’t leave you then you have to command again. If you have to verbally aloud say get out of here, do it. Well try not to let the whole block hear what you’re saying (*class laughs*)  but if you have to verbalize it do it have no hesitation. Your partners will certainly know what’s going on. They will be very comfortable with you saying get out because you’re going to hear them doing the same thing and I’ll be worried about them if they aren’t doing the same thing.

So, filter, examine what is in you head. Habitually examine the vibrations of what is in your head. Now just clutter is just as much a detriment to you as very distasteful things. Just clutter –  stuff that is of no value. You know running old tapes of old jobs that your vehicle had back in the world or old tapes of other members of the litter of the animal you’re wearing or old tapes of anything of the world.

Old tapes of things you saw on television. Just clutter because when clutter is in there you’re listening to it, it’s noise. Even if you’re not paying much attention, it’s noise. If you have noise in here then you can’t listen. You’re not really in a condition of asking and listening. So, to start off with you have to get the screen blank and the only way you’re gonna get the screen blank is to abort, abort, abort until the screen is blank. Now it’s going to be hard for some of you to sustain blank without it being a hard blank. Now, what I mean by a hard blank is when you have a hard blank it’s hard for good stuff to come in.

When it’s a clear, when it’s just clear. I hate to use that term though because many of these EST and other methods you know Scientology you know (they) say just ‘get clear’. What is it that scientology uses? that um–

Student: E-metre?

DO: No.. They say–

Student: It’s the reactive?

DO: Yes, the reactive mind! If you can get rid of the reactive mind. And you know, there’s a lot of truth to that. Alot of truth because impulses of the vehicle, that’s reactive mind. Because just impulses of the vehicle that’s reactive mind you know if the vehicle sees something it goes across the screen and you just let it pass because you’ve never disciplined yourself to not let it pass so you have to keep examining that screen – is there clutter in there? is there garbage in there? is it distasteful or is it just unnecessary because I can’t really be in a position to ask for things and expect to get answers if I have clutter there.

Eyes are a major aspect of control with the brain. Control of the eyes. When the animal you are wearing was out in the world it was free to look at anything and humans do not discipline what they let it look at – some are more invasive by staring even to the point of embarrassing others because people are aware that they’re staring – others will glance out of the side of the eye and you can tell by the quality of the glance that the thought wasn’t too desirable of a thought but controlling of the eyes — The eyes believe it or not, will go to something that the vehicle is attracted to without giving you any signals. I mean there’s no signal there the eyes will go it and you’ll think what in the world are you going to that for? Because the animal is just responding that way.

Now if we’re gonna break this horse and we’re only going to make it respond when we give it signals then we have to catch it in the act of everything that it does so that the eyes aren’t darting to wherever they want to dart you have to make it and you will find that that animal you’re wearing that if you make the eyes go this way it’ll try to prove to you that it’ll only be obedient for a second and then it’ll get its eyes back over there so you have to force it and so this is a practice you can do even when there isn’t much attraction for the eye.

When it’s just a mild attraction for the eye to go here – I mean even if it’s admiring scenery or whatever it is that the eye wants to go to then don’t let the eye go there – learn not to let it go there. Learn to let the eye look at what you want it to. So when it darts back or wants to get that last glance, you know a good exercise is if someone’s walking down the street or a bicycle and the eye wants to go to it, just because of motion! The eye will even be attracted to what it is that’s going down the road and as soon as you recognize the eye wants to go there force it– and don’t even let the eye look through peripheral vision. If necessary look far enough away that there’s no peripheral vision. Don’t even let it get away with peripheral vision. This is the beginning of discipline of the eyes and what you permit to let go through your head you don’t get anywhere if you don’t engage this.

Tllody has had to work with a genetic computer that is a very rough discipline for him because genetically his computer, if he would let it, would just talk to it even when there’s nothing to say, will just run old tapes in his mouth and just want to move and then it will pace you know if it’s restless it’ll want to pace and talk and pace and it’ll look and you know that’s a rough vehicle to have to quiet down and calm down and calm down to a point where you’re not an explosive that is bottled up you know this isn’t calming down. (DO animates and class laughs)

It’s aborting this restlessness so that when you’re still there’s not an explosion to happen it’s aborting the restlessness to get out so that you can be calm. You don’t have to let the machinery just you know run like a what is it a Screen saver?

You know some of you have a Screen saver just going all the time or if it’s, what’s his name, Joe?

Student: Johnny Castaway?

DO: Johnny Castaway! he’s in motion all the time and that’s where your brain will be if you let it be that way so we have to exercise and even make a game of it you can enjoy the practice of controlling the eyes.

You can control the ears, now the ears aren’t nearly as difficult a problem as the eyes now it depends on the addictions of the vehicle if the vehicle was attracted to certain rhythms or sounds of music or sounds of human voices or whatever it is then you have to deal with that too so your not letting the ears hear only what the ears want to hear or what your demanding the ears to hear instead of what the ears want to hear. So the ears are much milder discipline.

The hands are a rougher discipline than the ears the hands want to do things that you don’t want it to do. The vehicles hands like to do things that you don’t want it to do. Whether to reach out and caress someone or reach out or caress the vehicle that you’re wearing and I’ll use some crude terminology here that I think does me a favor and can do you a favor that one of the major things that we deal with is getting the vehicle under control as far as sensuality is concerned and sensuality to me is almost too dignified of a term for the animal behavior and I almost feel like the only thing it can works is to think of it as the vehicle wanting to play with its ‘pee-pee’ now, laugh with me on this, don’t get heavy duty on me (*class laughs*) I’m serious if you get heavy duty then the vehicle is like oh my goodness how can Do say such a thing? (*class laughs*).

But to me the plumbing is a pee pee, you know, it’s plumbing to get rid of fluid if you’ve had too much water or juices and it’s just a plumbing for fluid and if you can think of it as the animal that you’re wearing is such a baby that all it wants to do is still play with its pee pee when it gets into sensuality. It puts it in a different department and you feel like slapping the darn thing because it’s just at that level. You don’t want to elevate it by giving into “sensory things” or “sexuality” or “romance” (said with drama) or whatever all these glorified terms for playing with its reproductive organs.

When the Lord gave the command to go and multiply, He was talking to the horses not the riders. They were talking to the horses, not the riders. Riders come in when it’s time to take over the horses and it’s totally inappropriate – when there’s a rider reproduction is out of the question.

I mean, any of the activity that went with reproduction is out of the question once a rider has been assigned to a horse. A rider has no instruction in that department. Now it is insulting to the rider to think in the thoughts of reproductivity or satisfying the senses by activity that was pornographic to the Next Level to begin with. One of the worst things that Luciferians even brought into this world was changing reproductive activity into hedonistic activity just to satisfy the senses. Now even churches are putting out books upon the value of masturbation and things of that nature.

Now I don’t know if you’re aware of it but a Lutheran church recently put out a manual on the – I don’t know, there’s several Lutheran churches you know the Missouri center and this and that. But when I read of that I was appalled! that they could think of that as something of value, now as of value against what?

Now, I don’t know what the alternative would be. But for us that kind of, now don’t get heavy duty on me, don’t get serious on me. Keep this as what it is – as childish as trite as beneath you activity. If you get serious then you can easily be victimized by thoughts of this nature. It is animal behavior. When you see an animal do you get heavy like: “Oh my goodness an animal” like a Cocker spaniel coming up and licking you you’re not like “uh.. what a terrible vibration animal” it’s silly!, it’s just a little puppy. And if you would treat this animal that you’re wearing that it’s impulses are just silly and ridiculous and beneath you and when it tries to respond that way then you just go right to its information center and say: “Stop it, I’m not going to permit that behavior, I’m in here! I’m the rider here and you do only what I direct you to do and that kind of behavior is totally inappropriate.”

It will challenge you and challenge you and challenge you until it knows that you meant what you were saying. And you have not gotten anywhere in that particular department until it knows that you mean business.

When you participate in the kind of drunkenness and I mean literal drunkenness – the act of reproduction – the act of a sensuous act lowers your vibration right down to animal level. Any decent Mind that was in your package had to abort to even permit you to do that and the recovery time from that act after you have permitted yourself to participate in that animal act is a difficult recovery time. So the faster that you get a hold of this and learn to do whatever it takes to get a hold of it. Let’s say you get attacked in the middle of the night, don’t get heavy duty about it. But, if it’s trying to attack you and you’re tempted to get heavy duty about it, go wake up your partner. Say “Partner, sit up here and talk to me or let’s read together or let’s write Links a note together, let’s do something. Help me out here I’m just about to lose control – I don’t know what’s going on with this stupid animal I’ve got here that wants to keep my thoughts preoccupied in this nature”.

And because this act is just as difficult of any addiction to heroin or morphine or any drug that you can think of to break if your vehicle was accustomed to participate in this to any significant degree.

This is what causes addiction because the vehicle likes the buzz even though it was never intended to be designed for that. As far as I can tell, I hope I don’t have to repeat this kind of discussion because to me it lowers my vibration to talk about these things with you and I’m sure it’s lowering yours because of the thoughts that flash through your minds when I have to talk about these things but I want you to learn that if you can stay light, if you can consider it ridiculous and keep it beneath you, that you can consider it a puppy activity. I mean, why would you want to do what the puppy wants to do? I mean are we that low that we have to let the puppy tell us what it wants to do? And that we then have to struggle to return to the vehicle that the puppy has just knocked it’s thermometer down to there is no mercury in the tube just because we let the puppy do.

You know when you begin to see when you get payoff for discipline when you can control what’s in your head, control what your eyes are doing and you can ask for what you need because you can always ask the Next Level for what you need and what you get won’t always be pleasant but it’s what you need. And frequently what you need is another test in this department or the other, in order for you to show that you are developing.

What they want is developed muscle against animal behavior – muscle that proves that the only thing I want in my container is the Mind of the Next Level that comes through Members of the Next Level because I want to be a Member of the Next Level.

Now a Member of the Next Level is someone who can sustain being a Member of the Next Level. By staying dependant upon its graft and sustaining the behavior that finds — (*tape cuts off*)

Student: We were about 30 (minutes)

DO: 30?, okay. Now one thing you have to work so hard at is old habits. In the human world a bad habit is having one face when they’re with their loved ones or when they’re with their teachers or when they’re with their church they put one face and when they’re off by themselves they put on another face. When they’re with someone they want to gossip with then there’s a 3rd face. This little pettiness that goes on. Then in their closets or in their bathroom they like to play with their silly vehicle. You’ve got to be one face – you’ve got to be just as close to your Older Member and it sounds crude, but when you’re sitting on the pot or when you’re bathing your body in the shower, just as close to your Older Member that your Older Member will be just as pleased with the way your treating that task you’re doing right then. Just as pleased with where your head is and where your vibration is and keeping it there.

Get in the habit of getting into the habit of examining the quality of your thoughts. Not in the peak days you know those times of the days when it’s easy to think about the higher stuff. We all have times in the day when it’s easier to think about the higher stuff.

One thing to do, think about the higher stuff when the vehicle wants to think about the lower stuff. Now It has become a habit in most human vehicles to think about the lower stuff the darker it gets, in the middle of the night. For some reason that’s some kind of habit that it likes to do or if it’s off by itself.

One of the remedies we try to do is not to get separate. You want to get uncomfortable separate there’s nothing wrong with using your partnership and using your other crew members as reinforcement for your sustaining Next Level vibration use their presence there. When you’re dealing with something, tell your partner. Your partner should be telling you and you should be telling your partner that when you see me doing something that’s not Next Level ways I wanna know about it, I really want to know. And then when they tell you, you get defensive like (*growling*).

And they say, well I thought you said you wanna know about it? It doesn’t sound like you want to know about it. So at that time hop back in there and say you’re right. I apologize for being defensive. That was the animal talking. I’m glad that you told me because you wouldn’t have told me had there not been some truth to what you were observing. And I’m put to the test. I don’t want that which you are bringing up to me.

Depend upon your partners and depend upon your classmates it is your duty to comply with their requests and wishes when your partner asks for help and tell them, don’t say “well I’ll tell them maybe tomorrow or the next day when they’re in a little better frame of mind”. You’ve lost two days.

When there is a better frame of mind, there’s no progress that gets made.  When I’m in a good frame of mind there’s no work when accepting help. When I’m being helped and it’s hard for me to accept help and I change in order to be accepting of that help I return immediately and apologize for my poor response and thank them for it, then I’m making progress. Change is occurring. I am forcing the vehicle to break its habit of defensive responses. And it’s reluctance to accept criticism. You’re not going to get anywhere if you don’t at a very accelerated pace get into a mode where you like criticism. Where you welcome criticism and you get beyond responding defensively. Don’t you want to know if there’s anything about you that differs from the next level or your older members? Say yes when you’re siting in church but what about the rest of the time?

We can’t have periods of the day when we’re the good guys and other periods when we’re the bad guys. This technique is really really really valuable to you if you do not exercise it the very areas that are your problem areas, will not change. As long as those problem areas remain they will be areas that put separation between you and other members of the Next Level, you and your classmates to a certain degree and certainly your Older Members.

When you have this animal under control so much so that it doesn’t reek of any animal characteristics and you can sustain that around the clock and you have restraint and willingness and pleasant countenance then you are ready and willing to do what they will have you do.

I’ll tell you, I know how much I would enjoy having you in my presence because I can feel that but even if you are that during a period of the day and you let your vibration go way down during other periods of the day you still bring some of that lower quality with you even during the peaks of that day. In other words you have to establish a track record you’ve got to get past any regularity of letting destructive or negative thoughts occupy your head or let your hands go where they shouldn’t or let your eyes go where they shouldn’t or entertaining thoughts that are inappropriate.

The hardest thing— Now some of you are writing CSR’s as far as I’m aware I haven’t had any negative thoughts and I said then you’re blind. Frequently I read those reports and know that you’re blind. You’re not lying to me but you’re not even aware of negative thought that you have that is still negative its not as negative as it used to be so your new measure of it is another way of entertaining negative thoughts. I entertain negative thoughts. I fight negative thoughts. Everyday, all the time I fight negative thoughts but don’t forget my microscope is ten times more powerful than yours and I get it down as low as I can get it with the most magnification and that’s what you’re trying to do you’re trying to increase the magnification of characteristic that are still trying to be present with you that differ from the Next Level.

So, spend time, several times a day reviewing techniques, filtering out, learning to sort out what am I permissive of in my head? Clutter? Old tapes to run? Imagery? Things that are animal or of this world not of the Next world? Am I comfortable remaining calm? Can I be comfortable can I be pleasant and can I be alert and keen or am I alert and keen when I’m so hyper that all kinds of static is coming through my head you don’t want to be so subdued in your calm that a bit of tiredness can come in or a bit of laziness or slovenness You can stay keen and alert and present without being too much one way or too much the other.

That’s the extent of the meeting…

Which many of you will at times when you’re fighting battles of doubt and battles of is this just another bunch of poppy cock or another religious approach or I’m sure Do was well meaning and TI was well meaning well no matter what form your doubts can come to you because doubts used to attack TI and me probably more than the students because we didn’t want to have anybody on the trip, we didn’t want to mislead anyone or be the instruments of misleading someone so we were constantly doubting ourselves and then even when we would listen to that doubt if being right down to nothing that nothingness still said we can’t do anything other than this. This is all there is to us. That if this is not reality then as far as we can tell this is as close to reality as we can get that this is – now I’m talking doubt, talking doubt this is not the way my mind, the word processor works at lowest moments its like there is nothing else at those lowest moments this is like you can scream to the Next Level.

Now I’m afraid TI and I still scream to the Next Level, we didn’t scream to call some other creature in to try to lead us astray of course the Next Level very safely took us through this because they had us examine every concept you could get sidetracked on, any concept you could get hooked on along the way. Whether it was every religious idea, every eastern religion every new age thing you could possibly examine we went into we went into in earnest, and practiced everything we could think of to practice and at a very accelerated pace learned this isn’t it, this isn’t what I’m after it’s a dead end it doesn’t lead anywhere. Wherever this finds us this is where we must put our whole effort and when you get to that point then influences don’t like it when you’re at that point because they know they can’t have you but the worst thing they could do to you is maybe have you weakened for a period, have you down to a place where all you’re saying is well ‘I don’t care’ I don’t care what exists this is like if I have a chance this is my best chance if there is a chance for me to be of some service to whatever there is I mean otherwise I’ll have to believe there is not. I have to believe that a totally agnostic view.

A completely — you know this vehicle used to spend a lot of time with Unitarians and associated a lot and worked in Unitarian churches and I could not believe that those individuals were willing to accept that all there is is what I pass onto my offspring that the only extension of me is what goes on in that offspring and if that is all there is and that when this life is over I can say it was well spent, I did the best I could do I was a good humanitarian, bye bye. I couldn’t buy that. Not in my wildest dream could I buy that to me all I have to do is to the observation window in surgery and see what’s going on even as a doctor works on a human vehicle and sees the absolute magic of even this crude animal we’re wearing to see the kind of invention it is I can’t in my wildest dreams believe that just happened, not by design not by some department in some level greater and higher than human – now I know better, I know better. I can’t deny things I know even in my weakest moments I can’t deny them.

So I hope this has been helpful to you in what you have to deal with. Now sometimes all these things just seem like fanciful ideas and maybe what you deal with the most are just the pangs of vehicular separation from the other parts of it’s plants of the vehicle or the pangs of old indulgences that used to give certain satisfaction or the pangs of just not the fun of running wild and what it was to just run wild instead of being part of a unit that function as a unit, that’s a big adjustment to function as a unit particularly when you’ve worked so hard some of you in the world to learn to not let others impose upon you and you finally become independent and then become of something that doesn’t want independence even though Next Level won’t let us get rid of a certain degree of volition or choice of will and therefore we, even though we’d like to be totally dependant Next Level says, that means you wouldn’t do any work on your own – You don’t do any overcoming on your own. Okay. Yes go ahead.

Rkkody: is this a good time to ask a question?

DO: Yes.

Rkkody: Lggody was talking about a hologram, analogy of this planet and possibly this universe as being a kind of a hologram like one of those Star Trek movies where they and a whole civilization I think it was a planetoid that had a whole community that was a projection from this machine and in trying to get that straight in my head.

DO: well ah… (tape ends).

DO Audio Tape Transcript 5.23.1994 – Inverness, CA – Part 1 of 2

July 5, 2019
DO Audio Tape Transcript 5.23.1994 – Inverness, CA – Part 1 of 2

(Transcribed by Nisha and Edited by Sawyer)

Sawyer note: At about 8:20 DO talks about why he was fired from the Episcopal church where he worked as the head of music – because of the response to an article that came out that described what TI and Do were teaching at the Unitarian church – theosophy and metaphysics. He made no mention of having an affair with a student, which I had read may have happened in the 1960’s, before he became divorced though it’s applied in some media as a current event to TI and Do’s beginning together.

In DO telling this story, it’s also apparent where DO met TI in 1972 in a hospital where TI worked as a nursery nurse – taking care of preemie babies but at the time of their meeting was subbing for another nurse and was delivering a prescription to someone who was sick in the hospital who DO was visiting. Hence the misinformation still repeated that they met in a psychiatric hospital where DO was allegedly a patient was just wrong. One evidence of that is what psychiatric hospital also has a ward for newborns?

DO made no bones about his vehicle’s living as what was then called a homosexual life style and being very sexual and mingling in high society and engaging in alcohol usage. TI expressed that DO’s vehicle got into all the things that were needed for him to be able to relate to students who had made those things their behaviors and ways, to help them overcome them as he did. That overcoming for him even began up to a year before he met TI.

This story of DO and TI’s beginning, that he tells in this tape, He and TI told their students in the 1980’s, if I recall even a couple times in parts before TI left her vehicle in 1985. Then DO wrote about it in the document; ’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew, which is part of the Heaven’s Gate Book still posted on Heavensgate.com. DO also spoke about it in the first of the twelve part video series entitled, Beyond Human – The Last Call that students appeared with him on, including me, as a “helper” task.

To me this is very important for the integrity of the true story to draw from all the sources as much as possible to have a comprehensive portrayal of the whole truth. This way people would be able to recognize what in the media that is still repeated by recent articles was misinformation and even disinformation as some slant a story the way they want to, to sell it, whether they do this consciously or not.

The setting of this meeting was just 5 months into DO’s splitting us up into 4 groups, of which I was a part, outfitting us with vans and camping gear to begin holding public meetings again. This effort began on January 1, 1994 (though we had two preliminary meetings  was after nearly 17 years (1976 to 1993) of virtual silence towards the public at large while students were led through the overcoming of humanness process that pushed out students who were not serious enough.

So in attendance of these Inverness meetings were some of the older students and the new students who had just joined after attending a meeting that was put on by one or more of the 4 groups (that became 5 groups as new students joined). Most if not all of the new students joined without having met DO, so these for some may have been their first meetings) with DO. Public meetings ended in Boston, MA on August 18th 1994. For a detailed list of all the meeting locations and dates from 1975-1976 and then in 1994 refer to section 6 of the Heaven’s Gate Book, also available on my blog; sawyerhg.wordpress.com

Audio tape begins:

DO: I don’t want to approach a meeting as casually as we approached this one. As far as noise and yikkidy yak and so forth. And we feel that it’s more appropriate for you to find your seats and make some order and be quiet for a few minutes and try to quiet your brain a little so that when we start to talk you’re in a little more receptive frame of Mind rather than my having to talk about it like we’re doing now. So let’s try make a habit of that so when we meet we try get our shuffling done before we meet.

In the night, I realized that there were a couple of things we started to talk about in our last meeting that we didn’t finish and I know you have full tummies and you didn’t get much rest last night and I don’t know if you had a chance for a nap today but I know that probably some of you didn’t get a chance, maybe some of you did? Did some of you get a little nap? Some wanted naps and some didn’t. Did you get a nap? (asking a student) well, I just really want you to do your best to be as alert as you can and as receptive as you can and I also want you to if a question comes to your mind, jot a little word or two down so that you remember the question, and ask it and I would welcome you.

I started telling you last night about TI and Do and their jail time and something happened and we got on something else and I thought well they could wonder all kinds of things about TI and Do and their jail time. Just to give you a little brief understanding of that.

One of our students — or the first person who came with us said wherever you go I want to go and we didn’t know what was happening we had just awakened.

But we had shared with this individual whose vehicle just happens to be a sister of one of the vehicles in the classroom now but we had shared with this individual what we were aware of during our clumsy period of trying to accept some Next Level Mind in and she said is there any way I could tag along? And for a while we said no, maybe we could meet you for a day or two from town to town we’ll let you know what direction we’re going and maybe we’ll meet you and then we’ll go our way and you go yours and we could meet you again.

So this went on for a while and she had a petroleum company credit card that she said this would help you some I know your needs are great I want you to feel free to use this credit card for gas money. And the funny thing is, I think we used the credit card two or three times and that’s all we used it and we kept feeling uncomfortable about using it.

On Christmas Eve, I don’t remember the year but it was the year of Kohoutek I do remember that. Anyone know what year that is? Sometime in the 70s after 72 before 75 after 72 – somewhere there 73 or 74. TI and I found ourselves in a, you know, TI’s vehicle and this vehicle, the vehicles came from environments and backgrounds that were very comfortable, like many of you came from comfortable backgrounds but when this change was happening we were compelled to go with it and we had no concern for anything else and in the process, as I began to tell you, friends dropped away, family turned against us and I don’t know if some of you knew that this vehicle’s dad was a minister and this was extreme for a Presbyterian minister and this vehicle had become a Episcopalian and you know that really upset the minister to go to another denomination.

TI was a, which I think is extremely interesting symbolism because TI’s vehicle was a nurse in the nursery yet TI didn’t see the infants the way humans see infants. TI saw them completely different. What she would do is if she took a special interest in one of the infants she’d go do a horoscope on them. (class laughs)

And of course TI came from a very strong Baptist background but the more that she was beginning to awaken and her life was beginning to fall apart, one of the strange things that happened when TI and I met, when this vehicle was visiting someone in the hospital and TI came into the room to administer some prescription to the person in the hospital. So in addition to tending to the nursery she also tended to some of the patients in the room and that’s where this vehicle met TI was in the room while this vehicle was visiting someone sick in the hospital.

And from that day on it was madness because there was something that we had to do together and it was difficult to accept and I tried to stop it and TI would try to stop it and yet we were still compelled to do it and we didn’t know why we felt compelled to do it. I’m giving you just a real rushed – the older classmates have heard this in probably longer form.

And during that little time that we were working together and of course TI had family and this vehicle had already separated from family and children and had gone another direction and we opened a little place first called: Christian Arts Centre at the Unitarian church.

And in the Unitarian church we were studying everything people wanted to study, Eastern religions, metaphysics, Theosophy and the Unitarians thought it was great. And of course at the same time this vehicle was the head of the music at a large episcopal church and in that city an article had come out that we had opened this Christian Arts centre and we were teaching theosophy and study all of these crazy things and within a week the vehicle was fired from that task and people just very rapidly started turning away from us and wanting nothing to do with us.

The Christian Arts centre then moved way out in the country in order to get away from people and opened a place called “Know place” K-N-O-W. And at Know Place students came there and studied metaphysics and of course this vehicle was studying metaphysics as fast as it could study metaphysics because TI had a real running start and TI had to slow me down because I was so preoccupied with things the vehicle could read to try to catch up on that study – now all of this happened in a period of a very few months.

The Christian Arts centre had occurred in the summertime of whatever it was, 72,73 and by that December 31st or January 1st of that same year we had left that town altogether so we had Christian Art centre and Know Place that taught all these students and when we were out of town we said we can’t be relationship with – this vehicle was also teaching in a Catholic university and strange combination wasn’t it but because of what we were into and the grapevine was getting around and even though it was a large town – oh and also because TI said to me “we’ve got to live under the same roof” and I said, well what’s your husband going to say? and TI just, she didn’t see any problem! (class laughs)

I couldn’t understand how she could not see a problem with that and I said well I see how there could be a problem with that and she said oh no he’ll understand! And because he was the first one to make a major contribution to the Christian Arts centre and Know Place and then she went and announced to him that we were going to be in this separate place and I don’t know why but the Next Level just blinded her and she thought he was going to accept it and of course he didn’t.

And he thought that I wanted to steal TI from him because of human interest in her and all the people that or most of the people who knew us all this vehicles relationships and friends had thought I had been bewitched by this witch and I’m not saying TI would ever consider herself a witch, certainly not. But felt that I was under her spell and the same thing all of TI’s friends and relations had thought I was the demon that had come in and destroyed her marriage and her relationship with her children and all.

Well, this went at a very accelerated pace and the husband would stop me in the middle of intersection in town and try to pick a fist fight in the middle of the intersection with me because I was messing up his life and we had to get a court order to keep him from coming and tearing up things at Know Place and things were just madness.

And we didn’t know what was happening – all of a sudden the university job was going down the drain and work at the episcopal church was going down the drain and TI was working less and less at the hospital and we were spending more and more time at Know Place. And students were coming to Know Place and the girl I spoke of was a student at Know Place.

When we left at midnight of December 31st, it was strange that we left that town at midnight December 31st and 31 days… we left there and we went off to a – we rented a little ranch house in the hill country and we didn’t know why but we knew we had to be isolated and then things started happening very rapidly and TI said we can’t stay here and we have to make a living we can’t just stay here, we’re going to have to earn a living whatever it is we got to do or trying to do we’ve got to earn a living and I said we’re going to be taken care of and TI said well I don’t know who in the world you think is going to take care of us and so TI went and took a job at a nearby hospital for 3 days I think, until that was the end of that and after that we were just doing whatever we could to survive – which meant we were doing anything. We were janitoring at churches, we were painting rocks, anything to get by. With no concern at all of what we’d put in our tummies or what we would put on our backs or how long it was between laundry it was like all of a sudden nothing meant anything to us except what we were doing, whatever it was we just really didn’t know what we were doing.

And this individual when Kohoutek came we found ourselves in St. Louis in a snowstorm and first of all fast we went to Los Angeles in that hilltop area we lived on money we picked up out of the beach. Down on Hermosa Beach the waves would wash in coins. I mean literally wash in coins and we could make 5 or 6 dollars a day picking up coins that would wash up on the beach. That was all the Taco Bell and all the tostadas that we needed and then some! And we did that for a while the we migrated – all we had was a little sports car that was Do’s vehicles – just a little Fiat 2 seater sports car, two suitcases tied on the back of a little sport scar and we migrated to Las Vegas and stayed in a backroom of a metaphysical centre of a very dear friend (DO chokes up a bit) named Berta who still has a metaphysical centre there and when we had a group there that gave a meeting there years ago he stood up and said “These guys are for real. They were with me for so long a time and I believe everything They said”. And he gave a really good testimony at one of our meetings and then migrated up to Oregon and found ourselves in Portland, coming down the hill from Mt. Hood the engine blew on the little sports car and just died a death across the street from an Ananda Marga house so we spent the next two months in the Ananda Marga house sleeping on the floor of the Ananda Marga house. And they were very good to us and they were very interested in what was going on with us and we were regular attendants at the theosophical chapter in the town and whatever else that we could learn we spent hours just like we spent hours at this little chapel here we had a friend offered us a house to could stay for a couple weeks here in Inverness.

We told what we knew, which was bits and pieces, to a writer who lived in the house behind us who was the same writer who did the story for Jurassic Park. And he was very very interested in everything we had to say and he would come back and just want more of whatever we had to say and all of a sudden one day he was angry at us it was like we were demons and we were filling his head with stuff that would ruin his life and he didn’t want to hear another word, just very suddenly.

Well we had – after we were in the Ananda Marga house we moved while we were in one town somebody ran into the back of the sport car and an insurance claim came through for the damage that was done to the sport scar and it was 1600 dollars and boy were we rich all of a sudden, 1600 dollars. We bought an old jalopy in Portland and we put some decent tires on it – actually the money came through after we had bought the jalopy because we had gone to Gold Beach and we had no money at Gold Beach, Oregon and we were back on the Rogue river at the Hideaway Campground and all we could do was study the Bible and freeze to death bathing in that Rouge river and stayed in a little station wagon.

We had a cot in the back of the station wagon and one slept in the cot and one slept on the floor and we were there weeks and weeks by ourselves and we ate blackberries off the tree. We painted stones with astrological signs on them and sold them on the street on Gold Beach to make enough money to buy cream and sugar to put on the blackberries. And that’s all we had was blackberries with cream and sugar and we thought it was a feast, the blackberries were delicious and we never got tired of them. And then we just started lacing the country and we went though southern Canada a time or two just doing anything we could to get by – every kind of odd – We dug test tanks for septic tanks near Grants Pass… something rapids – Savage Rapids! And we dug these two six foot two foot wide things in this backyard for 20 dollars to buy us food.

I’m just telling you all the crazy things because we didn’t care what we did we did anything. And it didn’t matter, it really didn’t matter and we usually bathed in streams, with castile bars of soap that you can buy cheap and it was our shampoo and everything. These were vehicles that had been very particular and yet it meant nothing to us during this time nothing. Well we just laced the country doing anything and everything.

And that car we called Serpentine that old green station wagon that had served as our house died in St. Louis during a snowstorm on the night of the Kohoutek and – no that’s not quite right, it died in Charlotte North Carolina and we took a plane from Charlotte to St. Louis and I can’t remember why we did that but we took this plane but I had a credit card in my pocket that was still good and we had a lot of credit cards but didn’t want to use them but here was a credit card, still a good credit card and we had faith that if we used it’ll be okay to pay for it we didn’t have to worry about it – but anyhow we got to St. Louis at midnight and here we found ourselves at the airport and even we got off the plane there we were at a rental car place so we took the same credit card and said well we don’t have a car we don’t know what to do – let’s just rent a car until we know what we’re going to do so we rented this car and it was a Comet so it was a Mercury Comet, a brand new Mercury Comet and we rented that car and continued to lace the country and we’d go and talk to people, we’d talk to ministers anybody we could talk to and we were thrown out of place – out of place and archbishops would kick us out of the church and sometimes simple evangelists who had no education at all were frequently more interested in what we had to say but we visited – we went to Billy Graham’s home we went to Fallwells home in Lynchburg, Virginia and all these TV evangelists and tried to tell them what we wanted to tell them. Most of them wouldn’t see us – Oral Robert’s wouldn’t see us. I mean unless we had an appointment unless we were one of their followers, they didn’t care what we had to say.

Anyhow we rented this car and were oblivious to the fact that we had rented this car longer, it dawned on us that we had rented this car for longer than we originally intended to rent it for. So we wrote them a letter and said don’t worry about it we’ll pay you, we’re going to keep the car a little while longer and then I remember a little while longer we wrote a second letter and said ‘Don’t worry’ – this was to the company we rented the car from.

And then we were in Brownsville, Texas and we went to see this reporter and we told the reporter we had a story to tell him that was the most important story of his life and he said we’ll meet you somewhere because we said that we wanted to meet him in private and meet somewhere where we could talk to him long enough and we could really have a chance to tell our story to him.

Well we had no idea what this guy thought and this reporter thought we were going to tell him about illegal drugs coming across the Mexican border and so he had placed policeman and undercover police around the motel and all and we saw all these people standing around obvious that something strange was going on because they were watching us and here we went in to talk to him and said what are all these men halfway up the stairs down at the bottom of the stairs and in the door? And he said I don’t know maybe it’s because of your story and we got frightened. We left the motel and we took off running and immediately they thought uh-oh something’s wrong we were running from police, even though they hadn’t identified themselves as police but since we were running then they chased us and we went and got into our little Comet and started driving away from there as fast as we could go scared to death not knowing what was happening and next thing you know a helicopter came down with a loud speaker and cars coming from all directions and they were saying “Stop this car!” and the helicopter landed right in front of us, it was better than the movies and we were scared to death.

They didn’t know why they had stopped us because we were running and as they were doing a check on the car, on the licence of the car, the car had come back stolen and they put us in jail and we asked what the chargers were and he said “Stolen automobile” and I said what charges for TI? and they said, “Stolen credit card” – “petroleum credit card”.

Because the girl that had offered us the credit card did not know that her husband reported his card stolen to prevent anybody from using them so anyhow we were thrown into the Brownsville jail. I mean the Brownsville jail was like the livin end. Might was well been in Mexican jail. I’m not talking about any prejudice against Mexicans I’m just talking about these being hard jails. There wasn’t English spoken we were thrown in — well at least I was thrown into a small room half the size of this with 40 criminals that couldn’t speak English with double bunks you know you couldn’t crawl between them with one shower in the middle of the room and that was it. TI was a little luckier because the female ward wasn’t that full. It was funny because there was a girl in there that everyone thought was a looney tunes but the minute TI went in she said “Boy, you’ve got antennas!” (class laughs) “I’ve never seen anybody with antennas before”.

When TI and I were at Know Place and doing the things we were doing we had gone through the care to get scarab rings that meant something to us because while we were awakening we were studying Egyptology and all these things and when I went in the jail I didn’t realize I had it on and here’s this fellah in the cell that immediately saw it and immediately wanted it. And he offers to protect me if I gave him that ring, which I very quickly did. (class laughs) He was in for murder he had – there were several in the cell that were in for murder and there were some real looney tunes in the cell as well. Plus they would shoot up at night until they were just out of their minds and the behavior in the middle of the night was just unbelievable and I was glad I had some protection because this guy would go around fanning his hands with razor blades to keep anybody away from me and away from him. I had given him that gold scarab ring and so he was protecting me. I hated to give up that ring and I really really hated to give up that ring but I got protection.

Well the car rental company immediately dropped charges had no problem when it was reported to them that the car had been found but the district attorneys office in St. Louis where the car was rented decided that he was going to make some political points so he said he was going to follow through on the crime so I was extradited to St. Louis.

TI was moved to a jail in Houston and TI spent all together 30 days in jail and the charges were dropped on the credit card because the girl had had her husband drop the chargers so there’s no record on TI’s case but I had a little public defender in my case that kept saying: listen this is a Mickey mouse case, nothing to it. I’ll take care of it. And I kept staying and waiting and in the meantime while I was trying to get out of jail she was working as a nurse in the hospital trying to pay a lawyer to try to help me get out of jail and finally the public defender said if you would just plead guilty there would be no question about it because you would just get time served because your case is taking so long to get on the docket. I didn’t even bother thinking of the ramifications of pleading guilty, I was interested in getting out. So I plead guilty. And that’s what got me in the courtroom to finally get my case on the docket.

Anyhow, I used to read these Dell horoscope magazines in jail and I picked February 13th. On February the 7th I read the 13th – whatever it said for the horoscope for this vehicle and I said that’s the day I was going to see the judge that was the day I went to see the judge and I was released that day from the court and got a sentence of 4 months and I’d already served 6, so like I’ve said, they owe me two.

But I am a convicted felon in the eyes of the law. Now, you could say oh isn’t that awful – this vehicle’s family members visited that little Brownsville jail and they could not believe that I had lost my sanity and let this woman that we call TI lead me into whatever it was, Satanism, you know, bewitched, under her spell. And of course her friends and family thought the same of me. I watched the ones who had saw this vehicle as the shining star of the family you know the one who got more education, did all these things that they always wanted someone they could be proud of who ended up going nutty.

The point I’m making here is that the biggest favor the Next Level could do in having us move at an accelerated place was to have events occur in a way that our credibility was lost in a hurry. We were so naive that we would write long letters about what we were receiving to individuals that we still thought were individually our friends in the world. Trying to tell them about what was true, and that ended their relationship with us because we were then looney tunes in everybody’s eyes.

A strange thing happened. The mother of TI’s vehicle never once turned against us. (DO chokes up some) And that was extraordinary. She didn’t understand but she trusted us – she never once even said we even know that she never even said anything off color to any of the relatives in TI’s family. Her position was I don’t understand what’s going on but I trust they believe what they’re doing. Even though she had seen her daughter leave her husband and her children in a matter of months – life turned in a completely other direction. I feel that was remarkable, very special that she was capable of doing that.

Now I’m not saying that it’s necessarily true that every individual who wants to move in an accelerated pace in their overcoming of your worldliness has to lose all credibility in the world but it did us a great favor – I mean we both left all kinds of debts behind and left the vehicles loved ones behind – we ended up jailbirds I mean everything was blackened as far as our credibility was concerned which really helped because all we had was this pursuit and each other doing this pursuit.

So when you read what Jesus said to his disciples about you’ll be hated by all men and they’ll say all manner of evil falsely against you for my sake, that’s true, that’s true, and I know you all have experienced that. If you haven’t you may yet have it to experience. Some of you have experienced it more than once, a number of times. Well, I felt that it was important that you really understand that I felt the Next Level did us a favor to give us an accelerated ruination of credibility in the human world.

Also in the night I felt that TI was saying that I didn’t quite carry the analogy that we were talking about as far as using the little analogy of horses and how man goes out to find horses and the thought that was given to me that if you would even think of the vehicles that you’re occupying in that same analogy.

Think of these as those horses that got picked. And that you are not the horse, you’re the rider. And you have to break the horse. You have to break the horse. I don’t know if you’ve ever broken a horse, this vehicle has broken horses and I imagine some of you have broken horses but when you break a horse it means that the horse resists – it doesn’t  want to give up its wildness didn’t want to be controlled it does not want to do what the rider on it is telling it to do. It wants to throw the rider off but the rider stays on until the horse quits fighting and says you’re going to do what I tell you to do and nothing else. Some horses can’t be broken. Either that or the riders aren’t persistent enough in breaking it.

Now as I said to you that I don’t believe the Next Level ever put a deposit in a vehicle that was incapable of being broken by a strong willed driver or rider. And the vehicle that you’re wearing and it’s programming – it’s genetic programing it’s educational programing it’s parentage all of its programing is part of the package that has to be broken. Listen you are occupying a living animal that has responses that even shock you at times the way it responds. I’ve experienced that many times. I would think that all of you would realize that your vehicle has responded at times that would shock your mind. What you want to work toward is not my seeing a vehicle that the rider is trying to get a hold of but you want to see how fast, you have so much control of that, that when I look at that vehicle I see the Rider and not the horse. Because the rider has so much control of the horse that it’s the rider that then is projecting. The horse isn’t saying: ‘I’m sleepy, I’m hungry, I’m tired of listening to this or that or I don’t agree with that or what’s he doing that for?, what’s she doing that for? All these crazy things that are emanations of this animal that you’re wearing. You think I’m talking theory now but you have to come in and take over that vehicle.

Even if you — if you the mind, now wait a minute. Where is that mind? That mind that’s filling that soul is Next Level mind therefore it is not perishable mind – it’s days are not numbered it experiences no pain it has no handicaps that Mind is free it has no age at all it has no limitations it’s only the house that has limitations. So when the Mind is running the house its no different – then suddenly just a piece of machinery suddenly playing out if the machinery played out.

You follow what I’m saying? But you’re still – you have not and this is in varying degrees from individual to individual you have not identified with the amount of Mind that is now in your soul that has been given to you from the Next Level – that Mind has to increase so fast that you identify only with that Mind. Not the vehicle not with the old mind not the mind of the creature you are wearing. That creature has a mind of its own just like the horse in the corral has a mind of it’s own and you’ve got to put it in its place you’ve got to train it so that the slightest hand on those reigns makes the horse go this way and he’s just waiting for that signal from you as to whether he’s to back up, go left right, forward or which kind of canter it is exactly so that you’re so sensitive – he is getting his joy manifesting your desires – that vehicle you are wearing can even find a type of pride in serving you if you get control enough of that vehicle you’re wearing.

It can even be pleased it can become refined for the first time it can begin to act more like the Mind, within limits. You have to at least have enough control that the vehicle never does any behavior both mental or physical that can make a fool of you or pitch you on the ground or run you into the fence or whatever else it might do and that not making a fool of you has to be around the clock it can’t just be when you’re in meetings or when you’re with classmates or other times it has its ways and suddenly you wake up and say ugh I let the vehicle have its way, I’m not going to let that happen again and then it does it again and you say oh I let the vehicle have its way. That’s not breaking the horse. That’s the mind taking over. You have to experience enough abstinence of animal behavior in order to receive enough of that Next Level Mind for that Mind to begin to take over. Without experiencing enough abstinence of human thinking and behavior you’re not opening the door for that mind to begin to take over. It’s that same analogy we used last night that the higher octane that is Next Level Mind cannot come in if there’s still lower octane mind in there or if it begins to creep back in or you permit it to come back in, it will go right out – you have to work twice as hard to get it back in because it’s not convinced you want it in because you just made a fool of yourself and made a liar of your intentions.

Now we all go through periods of difficulty in breaking the horse. But the Next Level is like the Marine Corp it just wants a few good men and that means strong men, and I’m not talking male I’m talking individuals we don’t get service in the Next Level by loving the Next Level and thinking this is just a real sweet trip. It’s hard work there is no task on this planet to compare to the work that it takes to keep your head free of doubt and judgment and human thoughts and human behavior or all the things that will stand in your way. Don’t forget TI still sets you up in order to develop your strength because the Next Level wants a few good servants they don’t need masses. They don’t need any of us. They don’t need me. I need Them. Without Them I am nothing but TI does not need me, TI could drop me like that because TI’s allegiance is to TI’s Older Members.

*** end of tape – it continues onto tape two of this meeting ***

DO Audio Transcript – Inverness 5-24-1994 part 5 of 5 – Earth as a type of Holodeck

July 3, 2019
DO Audio Transcript – Inverness 5-24-1994 part 5 of 5 – Earth as a type of Holodeck

Summary: talks about the earth as a “hologram” like in the Star Trek holodeck – hard matter or not. How easily the Next Level can recycle and choose what parts to recycle. Luciferians are part of the “hologram” and with recycling evaporating them and having a new crop of them to serve as the negative in the new garden. Mentioned the idea of a rectangular earth in the midst of the waters.

(Transcribed by Nisha – Edited by Sawyer)

Do: If something serves a purpose and works as a design as to whether or not it can be wiped out pushing a button within a lab in the Next Level and all that was really something that —

Lets take a hologram situation like in ‘Star Trek’ – you go up to the holodeck and you can experience things and while you’re on the holodeck it’s real! And those are real experiences and real lessons and you’re actually in the time of the hologram and therefore everything in it matches with the lesson of that time and that period. Of what value is it to think it has to be of hard matter that could not be wiped out? You see what I’m saying?

Because I believe that the Next Level is completely capable of pushing a button and wiping it out now I think that they have on their keyboard though, they have one red button over here that could wipe out a whole galaxy if They wanted to but they also have lesser buttons that can wipe out all the plants on planet earth if they wanted to – if they wanted to just quickly recycle planet earth so it was sent then the nutrients to be a garden again but I believe that they can actually — they evaporate – its just can be designed to not be there anymore and it’s restored to a ball of water that had a rectangular body matter of earth and then it separated and separated its purpose and it served a function of a fertile garden. This fertile garden, I can’t believe otherwise it’s due a recycling I mean it is spent. It has been so destroyed. It’s environment, the mind of it on the planet, everything about it needs recycling.

And so why not? What’s the big deal? The Next Level — anything that is of value on the planet, I think they also have a button to pull off anything of value that they wanna keep just like you do on you’re computer. You can tab certain things that you can extract from there then delete anything else. And anything that is of any value that they wanna save I think they can easily extract and then everything else evaporates and then they start a fresh. A new crop of Luciferians come in because the old one has no use anymore. They’ve gotten too perverted.

Arrody: Does that mean in any way that the Luciferians themselves could be part of the program or part of the hologram?

Do: Oh, absolutely.

Student: That they’re kinda like —

Do: Nothing gets out of the hologram. Except that, which gets into the Next Level. As far as I’m concerned nothing gets out except what’s going to the Next Level.

Student: So Lucifer is really just a bug in the hologram that you want to keep fighting against.

Do: Oh, absolutely. When you seperate from the Next Level, when you separate from the Next Level, either the Next Level separates you then they have a choice whether they have purpose in keeping you. In other words letting you serve a certain purpose even as a negative. But when you separate then there is no life in you, there’s no truth in you there is no part of Them but you are seperate but can serve a purpose for them in certain developments of gardens. Tllody.

Tllody: I wonder how long it took him to figure out when he got kicked out how much he didn’t know, how much he – much he didn’t take into consideration. He tried put vehicles together and wouldn’t work to have eternal life.

Do: Say your question again?

Tllody: Well I wonder how long after he got booted out — you know, he thought he knew alot of things. How long did it take him to figure out these are the things he didn’t know and how long it took those things to catch up with him.

Do: Well, I’m not sure. He would have to have some more good Mind in him to know the limits of what he didn’t have – to know that he was restricted. So he probably still works at thinking that he might be able to accomplish what he has in mind accomplishing. Had he known the truth and not had ignorance that had him seperate, he would never have seperated in the beginning. So he had to seperate in the degree of ignorance of thinking you know; ‘I’m tired of this monarchy I’m going to form my own monarchy’. But I don’t believe that happened as much as the Next Level says ‘I’ve had it with you, and you’re out of here’.

Then in order to exist you have to exist defensively. I mean you have to defend your position to then have to create the world with what you’re capable of drawing upon. And of course what he was capable of drawing on was extremely limited by Next Level standards. He has to make concoctions and use things that were never designed to be used in the way he uses them. Therefore the end product is always a mess. Okay.
Trsody?

Trsody: I just, it was an observation that probably exposed my eyes rather than have them controlled but I noticed a bumper sticker the other day that said ‘Restore Wanda Wanda land’ which I thought was pretty appropriate because that’s, I think the term that they used for the little rectangular earth.

Do: Okay, wow that’s interesting. See you in a little.

Some corrections to those who say nothing Ti and Do said came true

January 8, 2019

Here are just a handful of all the many things Ti and Do said and taught and did that showed to have come true. However it will be each person’s choice to try to grow to see them or not. With each one – in no special order, I could give a lot more examples. I will expand this as they occur to me since a few people seem to think nothing they ever said came true:
Things TI and DO said that have come true:

1) In the 1970’s Ti and Do said we would enjoy the music of the spheres while Next Level Members:

from spaceweather.com on 11/23/2018:

MUSICAL” WAVES DETECTED IN EARTH’S MAGNETIC FIELD: This week in Norway, a space weather observatory detected sine waves of exceptional purity rippling through Earth’s polar magnetic field. The waves, which persisted for hours with nearly perfect pitch, have been linked to “tearing instabilities” and explosions in Earth’s magnetic tail–not to mention bright auroras in Arctic skies. Visit today’s edition of Spaceweather.com to see the waves and to learn more about them.

2) Ti and Do developed a movie script they said was fiction based on the truth that entailed Pluto being an “earth lab” inside and having a big “whitish” louvered door for spacecrafts to go in and out.

New Horizons spacecraft has documented that Pluto has a blueish atmosphere and has a large whitish spot on it’s “top” – could that be the “door” a type of a membrane door.

3) A spacecraft did come to pick them up. They felt Hale Bopp was the “marker” for that to come true.

4) Ti and Do said they would die and resurrect.

When the media hit they said for about 3 days they felt the “mission was dead” and there was no sense going on. (See 88Update). But they stood on their feet again to continue to have meetings and then after TI left DO stood up by himself (resurrection means “to stand up again”) as the one who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus and saying Ti was his “heavenly Father”.

An additional way this was true is demonstrated by Revelation chapter 11 as the two witnesses being first “subdued” (overcome) (1975 on the national news their vehicles reputations were shot down talking about them a thieves) and then they then “separated by dying themselves” (Greek “apokteino auto”). Their ascension (rising up) was invisible to humans but not to “those with eyes to see”, a common expression by Jesus referring to those who recognized “them” in some way.

5) They said they were not “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the vehicle taken over by an Older Member from the Next Level and taken through a metamorphosis to change into a new creature. They said Jesus would return as part of the 7th Closeness. (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). That closeness seems to have begun again, mostly as of 2017 with a final closeness yet to come but they said it was not to be a teaching time as that time has passed. For 20 years the Heaven’s Gate story diminished in the media. In fact during the 10 year anniversary there were only a few major media done on them. One was National Geographic’s – The Final Report; Heaven’s Gate.

For the next 10 years occasionally there would be a story that talked about them among the Luciferian space alien stimulated evil and abusive cults who did pressure people with controls and manipulations and murder and money mongering and blatant sexual “freedom” while Ti and Do’s group had none of that and actually a great deal of proof to the contrary.

For nearly 15 years my subscriptions to my youtube channel, 3spm grew maybe one every 6 months. Then 2017 hit when I also released my book and there were a few anniversary stories early on, like Inside Edition to where they continued the same mis/dis information campaign over again. After the anniversary I was approached by CNN/HLN to participate in a documentary. I asked the producer Alex Pressburg why they were covering the story – was it the anniversary – and he said no – it was because “it’s an interesting story”. That came out in the fall of 2017 alongside the 10 podcast series by Pineapple Street media via Stitcher I also interviewed for extensively on several occasions. The brought out new material – the letters Terrie received and the video Terrie received and with it accusations that TI was a hypocrite and that they were manipulative and controlling and that DO was insensitive to telling Terrie about Ti’s death but it became apparent that DO was following TI’s instructions (as I can show was true because DO had no reason to lie and because TI’s biggest concern on her deathbed according to DO and Lvvody and Jnnody who helped her in those last two weeks was DO’s carrying on without her. One huge aspect of DO’s carrying on was keeping the classroom hidden from any who wanted to find them and interfere with them. Hence DO didn’t tell Terrie right away because he knew that could stimulate an investigation that could land him in jail and/or split up the classroom.

There are 218 audio tapes that show how dedicated TI was to their classroom’s completion under DO. Plus TI had many opportunities to tell Terrie she was diagnosed with cancer in around 1983 while we lived in Texas and Terrie lived in Texas, but didn’t. Instead she just wrote letters – only one phone call in that time of years. Again because all that would do would be create more anxiety with Terrie and at that point especially the objective of letter contacts and subsequent visits in 1985 and 1986-7 was to “calm family anxieties”.
The claim was also made in the podcasts and by a number of other investigators that said DO became “a little psychotic” (said by x-student Frank (Andody) after Ti left but the evidence is that he continued with the classroom exactly as Ti had instigated as they were always looking for the way in which they were to leave the earth/human kingdom and how.
It’s easy to show that Ti and Do were willing to appear to be wrong to put students that were not in the classroom with all their hearts, souls, mind and strength. In other words they followed their instructions hence the establishment of a pick up by a spacecraft in 1980 or so didn’t happen but because it didn’t Jssody (joined with Alxody) left the group, while for those that had been fully committed it didn’t matter as they (I) were not banking on a spacecraft pickup to remain in the classroom. Some souls were simply further along in their overcoming of humanness process so they had many ways of filtering them out or helping them overcome their doubts.

Lots more to say about this that can be seen in my blog posts with Pineapple in the title. That’s at: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com

6) They said spirits existed and now I’ve seen them on a number of occasions where while in the classroom it made sense to me so I believed it but I hadn’t seen anything. One can see my descriptions of those events in my blog sawyerhg.wordpress.com in Sawyer’s Story.

7) They said there would be more interest in them after they left as it wasn’t designed by the Next Level to attract large numbers as there were only a certain amount of positions students who graduates would be given to fill.

8) They said they were from the same family as Jesus was from and was a type of repeat performance – teaching the same requirements of leaving all behind to qualify. They (DO by himself post 1985 when Ti left her vehicle) stuck to that from 1975 to 1997. It seems they began to examine exiting by our own hand (as Jesus did, since he stimulated his capture and said in the book of John, “no man takes it from me” speaking about his vehicles life. Jesus also talked about how his students needed to “drink the same cup of his blood” he was given to drink knowing they would be hated and killed the same way He was hated and killed. Ti and Do were mostly hated and some wanted them dead. I witnessed at the Waldport meeting a woman in the back shouting very loudly, “you ought to be shot” when they said children could not come, explaining that children couldn’t make a choice to leave the world they hadn’t hardly experienced.

If one compares all of the red letter parts of the 4 gospels – the words attributed to Jesus with Ti and Do’s teachings one will see they are exactly the same teachings. Thus if Jesus said it – forecast it then when Ti and Do put it in more accurate to modernity and generic terms they were showing proof they were the same Older Members returned as promised and that’s why most who call themselves Christians often don’t know they are not believers in what Jesus taught, except for a few things, but according to Jesus to be his disciple one needed to abide by all he taught, not just pick and choose.

My book: “TI and Do The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses” provides a great deal of the evidence of how what they said as the Father and Jesus came true or is about to come true through everything Ti and Do taught and did and said would happen at the conclusion of the civilization.

9) Ti and Do said that when they left, the human kingdom would be accelerated towards recycling and that would be a further testing ground for each human. If one looks at events that have escalated in the US since the late 1990’s (the time of the Seven Thunders of Rev 10) one will see a dramatic increase in more animalistic human behaviors as each human is forced to become what they are, what they had been entertaining in their heads mostly until then but now don’t have the self control to not play out. Hence mass shootings, more earthquakes that are larger and larger, tsunami’s, volcanic eruptions, larger hurricane’s, while humans try to take responsibility for these because the Luciferians hate for people to think the Next Level exists and are behind their escalation.

10) The Hale Bopp comet was the “marker” for their exit. In other words whether there was a companion with it or not didn’t’ matter. They knew it was the event of a spacecraft picking them up they had been waiting for since 1975. NASA astronomers stated in their annual Hale Bopp symposiums after 1997 that they believed Hale Bopp was made up of TWO objects in orbit around a common center. This can also be shown to be the “sign” Jesus described as “lightning (star like – shining/strewn from east to west (along the ecliptic).
11) Ti and Do said in 1975 that spacecrafts can be all kinds of sizes and shapes and colors. Through all the many NASA and ESA and other astronomical institutions it’s been learned that comets were not “dirty snowballs”. None of them so far are round. They look like a bowling pin sometimes and have jets that seem to stimulate their rotation and propulsion.

Ultima Thule was described as reddish and looks like a snowman made up from two clearly distinct objects appearing to be fused together with some kind of “light” attachment method – docking?

Pineapple Street Episode 5-The Tape from DO to Terrie – TI’s “daughter” comments by Sawyer

November 18, 2017
Here is the link to all the Episodes: https://www.heavensgate.show/
(Just scroll down to Episode 5)
Here are my responses:
The host saying this tape was “kept a secret for almost a year”, I guess from the student body, is misinformation, any more than the president is required to share everything he does and says with the general public or the head of a corporation or of a family or in the military. DO wasn’t keeping it secret from us. That’s a spin. Do and Ti taught us all to operate as a crew. We had departments and tasks and one department didn’t need to know what another department was doing. The teacher even of a cult doesn’t owe the students anything. We must remember if we want to see the whole truth, that each of us joined by our own choices and stayed in the group for as long or short as we wanted to so this tape was not a secret – it was simply information we didn’t all need.
The Host said DO was “less a prophet and more a lonely, sad, scared human being…” – another spin to even use the fact that DO showed his deep caring for TI and for Teri against him, similar with the way Episode four portrayed TI as a hypocrite for showing care towards Terri. A prophet is someone who “speaks inspired by God,(the highest source we can imagine)” so DO wasn’t any less of a performer of that prophet task by speaking honestly about his feelings. Saying he was lonely in one context has it’s application because as he said he had grown to depend on TI. Yes, sad he was, though he didn’t linger in that vibration and scared as well but it didn’t stop him from quickly getting back on the horse, so to speak.
Jesus evidenced being sad and scared at times:
I remind for those that think there is any truth to the Jesus story,  He was quite sad sounding “weeping in the garden” after he learned he needed to complete the task he knew he came to do by laying down his life (he learned on what became called the Transfiguration mountain visit), more or less committing suicide since he knew well from many evidences that the high priest of the Pharisaic sect sought to kill him – they tried to stone him a number of times because he was supplanting their authority over the Jewish people. It was in those historic records that he wept and asked in his prayer to his Father, who was in the heaven’s at that time, if that “cup” (task) could be removed from him, though then accepted the task and mustered the strength to perform it. Jesus also felt alone on the cross when he couldn’t feel his Older Member’s presence. I witnessed DO several years after Ti left feeling “underwater” – not feeling Ti’s presence with him (though from outside her vehicle, so at a greater distance as well) when we moved from Boulder to Atlanta, GA in one of three times where we lived east of the Mississippi river. Both Ti and Do always felt they felt most in tune with their heavenly Father (Ti’s Older Member) when they were located west of the Mississippi River but at times had instruction to travel east of it.
It’s not only humans that feel things. Members of the Next Level still feel. They can be happy and they can be sad. They are not robots however they don’t have the same kinds of things they feel happy and sad about. The same with “fun”. Members of the Next Level have fun but it’s not the same kind of fun that horses have when they run around a field.
To DO’s students, their exit by laying down their human bodies lives was not a tragedy and it doesn’t have to remain a tragedy for anyone affected in a difficult sad way, but they will have to seek their Heavenly Father’s help or the highest source they can imagine to begin to feel that, though I know sometimes that’s easier said than done, as I can attest to when I “fell”.
Ti’s dying wish to not tell Terri about her vehicle’s death:
Terrie indicated that she didn’t believe what DO said about his following Ti’s dying wishes to not tell “them” (Ti’s vehicles family). But there is a lot of evidence that DO was correct when he said this. A big case in point; TI lost her eye approx. 2 years before her vehicle expired from liver cancer on June 19, 1985 and TI chose not to tell Terrie even though it seems she wrote some letters to Terrie after the time of her eye surgery. Isn’t that very strong evidence that Ti didn’t want to tell her. I can imagine why in both cases. What good was it going to do for Ti to tell Terrie? It would just stir up more anxiety in Terrie. It was showing care for Terrie.  Ti could have visited Terrie then and many times as we spent close to 5 years or more before Ti left her vehicle, living in Texas to include Dallas for several years and Houston for perhaps a half a year and Austin for maybe a year and San Antonio and Kerrville for about a year and Amarillo for a big part of  a year. I think that was kind of Ti because of how that would have re-stimulated their bond and it would have had to be broken again and again since TI was 100% in support of her mission. Sending letters without any return address or phone number was TI’s way to try to give Terrie a little comfort.
Where the host said, in regard to Ti’s eye removal, “…how everyone in the group could see the tumors on her face and the scars it left”. That is a 100% fabricated lie to state that as a fact. The facts are and I hope someone investigates this, if it’s possible, is that one couldn’t tell at all that her eye was removed. At first she wore a patch over that eye, that is until she had a glass eye made and there were no scars I could see and I did see Ti many times up close (but perhaps mostly that was before the eye removal, when we had the Yeast Lab, as she’d come into that lab to answer questions). But I can’t remember seeing her glass eye up close but maybe that’s because I’m not the most observant person or my focus when she was talking to me or us in person or in a meeting, I was so focused on listening to her that I didn’t pay any attention to her vehicle. I admit I was most always in awe of TI and of DO.
I trust DO’s feelings about Terrie feeling something subconsciously. When something is subconscious it’s not conscious. Now I know I’m bias in that way but it’s from experiences seeing things Ti and Do said that I questioned and then later seeing them the way they saw it.
Terrie was told she would be given their materials:
They did give Terrie the materials. It just ended up being the same way they gave the world their materials, via their book and web site. For all those years before the Book and web site, Ti and Do carried around a camera they were given by someone to videotape the pickup when it happened. We carried around that camera for years in storage and other materials. Frank (Andody) should be able to verify this, and that every year or so they tried to put all their affairs in order the same way they did when they finally left which people don’t know much about but included giving people certain things, cars, van’s, money, etc. I wasn’t on the “purser” task except on rare occasion as a check partner so I don’t know the list of things they did to not leave a mess of those affairs at their exit, though they didn’t know when they would exit and how. They taught and demonstrated “covering their bets,” so to speak. So no doubt Ti and Do planned on giving things to Terrie so that was an honest intention when he said it but then things changed and DO wasn’t responsible to update Terrie to those changes even though it did still happen in another way.
As far as his being in touch with Terri like he said, that could have also happened but after they left or even while still around, though not by anyone in their visible physical bodies, is one way to look at it that is quite realistic to consider but I know sounds crazy to many to think possible. It’s the idea of the reality of what used to be called guardian angels, workers from the Next Level who are physical but can change the vibration of their physicality to render themselves invisible to humans and human technologies. I could go into more about that but I won’t right now since I’m always so long winded. Plus when DO said that he was trying to comfort her and I don’t doubt he fully thought he would but again his first priority was to keep Their classroom in forward motion and He had a crew of unseen helpers just like Jesus described having. Next Level members are not about their “self”. They all operate with a crew minded mentality so saying he would be in contact would be equally honest if some of his crew fulfilled it, whether Terri was aware of it or not.
As Terrie recognized when TI and DO first returned to visit her, I think perhaps in 1973 and/or 1974 or so, the mother she knew had changed. I think Terrie said her voice changed. I would suggest that when more of her Next Level Mind came into her vehicle she became less and less the person and mother she was, just like what happened to Jesus. When Jesus was notified that his mother and brothers wanted to visit with him, he said, “who is my mother and brother but those who…” – are the students in his classroom – they are his new family. TI selected the name TI and in that last letter even signed it, M which could be seen as fully consistent with that, without stirring up more anxiety than necessary so I presume out of kindness or perhaps she always signed Terrie’s letters that way.
As far as Dncody and Lvvody saying they would be back and then not coming back. I can only guess that they might not have been instructed to say they would be back or DO changed his mind and I don’t know how long it was after that, that DO sent the audio tape but DO was operating even then on what guidance he was still getting from Ti while outside his vehicle.
On Frank’s saying “we were shocked”, if I recall his saying “we” that doesn’t speak for me as I think I remember saying in one of the interviews I gave the Pineapple Street crew. I was not shocked. I know it sounds like I was dumbstruck the whole time in the classroom but none of the things that happened, the changes in understanding and all had any affect on my commitment to Ti and Do and nor did I have an emotional attachment to Ti and Do nor my classmates then especially but nor was I conscious about doubting anything or if I did, I ran that thought off and it was never a major deal for me.
Yes, as Terri said, Jesus is about love but it’s love for one’s Heavenly Father that was the First Greatest Commandment and most applicable when they are incarnate and the way we can show that love to our Heavenly Father when they are not incarnate as Jesus taught was to show our love for our neighbors in the same way we love ourselves, the Second Greatest Commandment that Moses taught as well and that Ti and Do demonstrated as well and did so way beyond words.
When DO converted his suffering to a positive recognizing that it was his task to complete the task without Ti’s close physical partnership he new Ti’s exit was right. I didn’t know at the time and only learned it when I dug into the entire Book of Revelation, that Ti’s exit ahead of the rest of the class was in the plan.
DO says TI is the Revelation 12 “Woman” and how the “flood” of negativity “burned out” her vehicle (eye and body):
Ti and Do were never scripture quoters though they knew them on a deep level I learned later. However around 1985 before Ti left her vehicle he had us bring bibles to a meeting that Ti didn’t sit in on which was very rare. He told us that the Revelation 12:1 “Woman” was referring to TI. Based on that after I left when they helped me re-awaken some, as I dug through most every word of the Revelation, I saw how every verse in Chapter 12 could be seen as directly correlating with what I knew and observed about Ti and Do in their relationship of “Father to Son”, etc. So Ti was hit with a flood of negativity that was a persecution of her and she lost her eye to that battle the same way in a sense we can have a physical condition because of a mental battle we are dealing with whether consciously or not, which Ti and Do also taught about. Then the woman is “helped by the earth” by the “earth opening her mouth” to swallow up the flood. By her vehicle dying the flood went into the “grave” because she was not in a human vehicle that could be affected by that negative flood of thoughts and feelings against her.
Also regarding Their original belief that they would be killed and resurrected – rise again from the grave, that too was 100% fulfilled when one knows the details and really examines the definition choices to the terms used and how in the translations they make some assumptions one would never be able to see unless they got the truth from belief in who Ti and Do are/were. And I’m not saying it couldn’t have happened exactly as the prophecy describes and as Ti and Do thought at first. But this entire project is for the Next Level an experiment and what makes it an experiment is not knowing exactly what the human responses will be to them because they designed us to have free will, so certain things can go in a number of ways. For instance the 3 and a 1/2 days is also said as a time, times and a partial time. Even so Ti and Do did feel their mission was dead for 3 days when the news broke about DO’s felony conviction, etc. that by the way was dropped by the plaintiff the rental car company but became a political football but that resulted in DO being seen as a “thief” just like in prophecy “thief in the night” where night represented the way them come “undercover” invisible – in secret – incarnate. And instead of “kill” a far more accurate translation for Greek “apokteino” would be “separate by dying themselves”. Ti by taking her task that as DO said “wore out her vehicle” was choosing to let that take out her vehicle, giving her vehicles life to her Next Level task. DO and Crew did the same but by instigating their exit directly as for them it was also a test of faith and commitment to DO. And Ti was the one who instructed us to make our commitment to DO.
My book is full of so much evidence that they were exactly who they said they were that it’s unbelievably believable. The book is found for free on my blog:

TI and DO Statement in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary

November 9, 2017

This statement below was published in a book entitled, UFO Missionaries Extraordinary in 1976, included with interviews with TI and DO in 1974 and 1975-6 by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger:

A Statement Prepared by The Two

Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible even the elect.

We bring no signs or wonders, nor do we claim to be Christs or prophets, but simply bear the same truth that Jesus bore in the season that he promised. We come from the same kingdom that he came from and bear witness to his teachings. Our Father’s kingdom is reached only in the way that Jesus taught and demonstrated.

Rev 22:17 And let him who is thirsty come, let him who desires take the water of life without price.

Rev 14:1-5 Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and the4y sing a new song before the throne and before the4 four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

What is Happening in the Heavens at This Time

If you could project your mind out into the heavens and look at the positions of planets and other solar bodies in this immediate solar system, then extend your observations even more distantly, you might not be able to see the actual physical manifestation of energy; but if you were sensitive you would be aware that there is at this time an intense energy source focusing on this planet.

How severely this energy is affecting other planets in this solar system, we don’t know – and it is not important to us. This energy focus might be more clearly understood if you picture a searchlight that is circling in the far distant heavens without interference from other bodies in the heavens, clearly shining on this planet as it did approximately two thousand years ago in it’s last orbiting.

Another way to picture this same energy field would be to imagine a very distant emission of energy that has been obstructed from this planet by the positional interference of other solar bodies. At this time it is as if an opening or a shaft has been made by the present position of the heavens, permitting a strong intensity of that energy field to focus directly upon Earth – as it did approximately two thousand years ago.

It really does not make any difference what the actual cause or reason behind the energy focus is. But to be aware of its presence – and thereby understand why the life forms on this planet are responding the way they are – is significant, and will be helpful in understanding and controlling one’s own individual response.

Everything in the heavens, including this planet, is in a constant process of change and response to change, and that response determines growth or decay. This little planet called Earth is a garden from which individuals whom man would label gods may be born. “Gods” because they are members of a kingdom level above the human – the “kingdom of God.”

When this planet came together and was formed by members (or a particular member in that level-above-human) whose responsibility or chosen endeavor was the creation of a new garden, it became the place where germination could begin and life forms could multiply. If the life forms survived all the intermediate lesson-steps of growth, they could work their way up to the human level.

Now at this particular time, when an intense energy source is striking the planet, graduation from the human level into the level-above-human, or the kingdom of God, is made available.

The Earth garden has had life forms survive in growth-motion into the human kingdom in previous civilizations. However, at the time when the availability was offered, those previous human civilizations were not able to make it through the transition from human to the level-above-human.

A lot of growth in levels-beneath-human seems to be more automatic in upward motion, for the strength of will that pushes the life form up a notch is, for the most part, not consciously aware of what it is doing when it graduates upwardly. At the human level, schoolchildren in the early grades are not consciously aware that they have grown by their choice. However, at the growth level where a human becomes a prospect for the next level (the level-above-human) he must be completely aware of what he is doing or he cannot complete the transitional experience.

It might be helpful to consider how graduation from one level to the next is deserved or reached. A dog who has become tired or disenchanted with the so-called normal activities of the dog world and finds his only pleasure in pleasing his master deserves to move out of the dog kingdom and into the beginning stage of the level that he chooses to serve.

Some dogs might accept the training to avoid punishment. Their motivation would not make them deserving of graduating into the kindergarten of the human level. But the dog who desires only the attention, approval, and affection of the human, whose motivation is genuinely that of seeking to be associated with the next level (or human world), deserves to move into that higher level when graduation time arrives.

The energy focus that is now on planet Earth is the energy needed for the graduation experience. The human who desires only to please and to serve the level above his kingdom can at this time, with the help of members of the level-above-human, receive his examination, roll call, depart from his school (Earth), go “out in the world” – into the literal heavens among other members of the kingdom of God – and begin his apprenticeship and chosen activities.

The man who teaches a dog must hold frequent training sessions or the dog will quickly forget his training – though he may continue to seek a close, affectionate relationship with the man. A human college student must have an increasingly distant relationship with his professor and come into his own knowledge if he hopes to one day be in a professional capacity.

A candidate for the level-above-human must have an even more distant physical relationship with his teachers, or the members of the kingdom-above-human. For the requirement of his graduation includes a mental teaching program and a willingness to complete that program before gaining physical contact with the teacher level.

Because of this extremely infrequent physical contact, most religions have adopted the belief that members of that next level do not have physical bodies. The human professor does not seek out his students to impose his teachings; rather, they pay for instruction and choose to go to his classroom because society imposes the idea upon humans that they must find themselves in classrooms.

A prospective candidate for the next level has to do all of his seeking from the minds of his teachers in the next level through the strength of his own volition, according to the intensity of his thirst for knowledge above human.

Now, at the same time that this intense energy focuses or shines on this planet, members of the level-above-human come in at close range to examine the garden (most especially the human kingdom) and assist in the graduation. In preparation for the rare graduation period, a member or members of that next level might have chosen to leave their physical bodies, incarnate in the offspring of woman, lose the conscious minds they had attained, and live a seemingly normal human existence for a number of years – though close associates might have realized there was something different about them.

At the point in time when the energy focus became very intense, these people went through a period of mental transition, they became aware of the fact that they had come from another level and that they had spent a part of a human life in order to be at closer range with prospective graduates. The teachers can now tell and show how the changeover from a human into a member of the next level is accomplished. They may even demonstrate to nonbelievers that upon completion of the changeover they have become creatures capable of repairing a so-called “dead” body in three and a half days.

It was earlier stated that civilizations have existed on this planet that were unable to rise above the highest human condition. The present civilization, which began approximately six thousand years ago, has been the recipient of special help from the level-above-human.

Members of the level-above-human chose to incarnate several times into this civilization in order to assist in bringing it up through its different “grades” in the human “school.” This was not in order to upgrade genealogy or physical bodies, but to associate with the souls who are the products of this garden so that they might have someone with a higher consciousness in their midst to serve as an example.

The individual who was called Adam came to Earth from the heavens (the kingdom-above-human) in his total form – physical body and mind. He was so overcome by the discarnates (invisible life forms) from the previous civilizations that he was not able to withstand the aggression of their influences. Adam thereby temporarily lost his heavenly consciousness (the capacity of the mind of an individual in the next level) and found himself in the decaying vibration of the human level. This led to his death.

It was not until his incarnation in the individual named Enoch (who was the second major help) that he was able to rise above human-level vibrations and thereby resume his mental capacity as a member of our Father’s kingdom. This awareness permitted him to serve in the function of assisting in the bringing up of early-grade humans who were products of the Earth’s garden.

After Adam-Enoch had left adequate upgrading teachings, he was in sufficient mental communication with members of the level-above-human to complete his total conversion back into a rightful member of that level and depart from the human world and the Earth’s surface without experiencing death. He took his whole mind and body with him.

This is to say that Adam was brought to Earth’s surface from the kingdom-above-human (the kingdom of God) to begin a new civilization. He yielded to the temptations of the human-level sensuality, and in so doing he decreased his knowledge, the expanse of his mind, to that of a human-level creature. In a sense Adam lost what he had previously gained, and he did not begin to recover it to any significant degree until his incarnation as Enoch. As Enoch, Adam completed his changeover, physically and mentally, and left the Earth’s surface to reenter the kingdom-above-human.

After a season of growth, a third help-mission was sent to this particular civilization. But this time, in order to understand and to relate to the level of growth of the civilization, a member of our Father’s kingdom left his heavenly body in the spacecraft that brought him to the Earth’s surface and entered the newborn body named Moses.

Upon entering the baby’s body, the mind that had been in the level-above-human had to be as restricted as the child’s vehicle. In a sense, that mind had to go to sleep and reawaken as soon as the body of Moses had encountered enough experiences of growth and suffering to realize he had extraordinary work to do. It was his accepted responsibility before coming down to Earth to upgrade the civilization several grades beyond what had been offered by Enoch.

Using an analogy of twelve grades in school related to twelve steps of human growth in a civilization, it was Moses’ chosen mission to set rules of order which, if adhered to, could elevate man’s growth to fifth- or sixth-grade students in the human school. Moses, like Enoch, later in life changed from his human condition into a body and mind that could return to the level-above-human. When his work had been completed he did not leave a human body behind, but took his changed-over body with him.

The fourth significant help for this civilization came at the next major “spring” when a member of our Father’s kingdom, or the fourth mission of the same member, occurred. An individual (incarnate as Elijah) came to Earth’s surface and served in a capacity similar to Moses’. The information that he brought was again designed to upgrade or to assist this civilization, particularly those who had grown to the point that as individuals they were seeking to begin to rise above what they had gotten into.

Elijah’s information was structured for those who were moving away from their densest or broadest accumulation of human attachments – reaching for grades seven or eight. Of equal importance, Elijah’s information sought to prepare the growing members of this civilization for the next help that would come (in Jesus), which would actually give the information for graduation from the twelfth grade (human level) altogether and show humans how to enter the kingdom of God.

Never has any heavenly information been accepted by the masses as a whole; rather, it is accepted by the few who seek to change out of their last station of growth. Masses or groups of people do not grow or move up automatically. Growth is done individually, according to the degree of thirst for upward motion in the individual.

The next major help, or fifth upgrading mission, from the kingdom-above-human brought the civilization applicable information about how an individual product of this garden might change sufficiently to leave the human kingdom literally and take his total being, mind and body, with him into the kingdom-above-human. This is to say that the individual who came to fulfill this fifth mission took the incarnation labeled Jesus in the same manner that the individual of the third mission incarnated as Moses, and the fourth as Elijah. Jesus’ mission was to tell and to show how human products of this garden who had risen to the point where they were seeking the kingdom of heaven could reach it. But even though their comprehension of the changeover task was sufficient for them to begin to receive the information, their capacity for applying the formula of overcoming, or changeover, was lacking.

This is not to say that anything was lost by those who were applying Jesus’ teachings, for those same souls are here again now at this sixth help season in order to complete what they had started with his assistance. The one who was named Jesus not only had, after his awakening, the responsibility of telling and showing how the literal changeover from a human being into a heavenly being is accomplished – he also had the added task of demonstrating that one who had changed over can re-heal his body in three and a half days if he is destroyed.

Since the masses of people in this civilization did not desire upward growth sufficiently to reach for information Jesus brought, they found themselves in a growth condition that was blind to his truth. They had not the capacity to accept him; therefore, they rejected him to the point of desiring his death. Since the slow growers chose to kill him, Jesus’ mission included a “proof-demonstration” for the unbelievers. This did not mean that any others who might complete their changeover would need to be, or even asked to be, the instruments of such a demonstration.

None of this is to say that efforts towards growth and upward-reaching endeavors that took the form of religious movements were not the best for which men had the capacity at their station of growth. Ultimately the information for which all souls who seek to grow upward are looking is information on how to graduate into the next kingdom. It makes no difference which path you take up the mountain, what pursuits of knowledge – scientific or religious – you choose. All can lead to the top if your thirst remains unquenchable and you are dissatisfied with the level you have obtained.

However, when you have reached the top of the mountain, you must discard all the discoloration and terminology accumulated in your upward climb and come into an unvarnished, unromantic understanding of the requirements of “liftoff.” Therefore, there is only one way to reach the kindergarten in the kingdom of heaven. It was knowable at this time of Jesus’ mission if one could understand what he taught – not what others said he taught – and is knowable at this time through the information that it is our responsibility to clarify.

The sixth major help period for Earth’s human garden is now. The truth brought by us is one hundred percent the same truth brought in the mission of Jesus. Our responsibility is to reunite your minds with the proper interpretation of what he had to say – if you seek it – and to help you understand that only in the same way that he changed over in order to reenter the kingdom-above-human can you become a member of that level.

When Jesus said that everything that I am you can become and much more, he meant it. It is true.

Once again we are in a brief season when the “light” or knowledge or “energy focus” is on this planet. It is brief and intense. Many who have not chosen upward motion may respond adversely and even destroy themselves. Some – you, we hope – will realize that now is a brief period for your preparation to leave the human kingdom.

The seventh closeness will not be a teaching one, but a gathering of the harvest of those who have overcome this world.

If the forces of those who have chosen to be slow growers again choose to reject this truth and it’s bearers, then the two of us will again demonstrate that changed-over individuals can repair their so-called “dead” bodies in three and a half days. If that must happen it will be soon – and at the time that we have completed our testimony. As soon as our clarification is complete and it has adequately reached the eyes, ears, and minds of those who have become ready for it, we can reenter the kingdom-above-human and be a part of the membership of that level again.

Many could choose to overcome this world and even be a part of its becoming a heavenly body instead of a garden. The option is there. The intense energy focus that is on the planet will cause them to make their choice. They can accept this truth and do it–or reject it.

The seventh closeness, which is immediately upon us in the sense that those who are in the middle of their normal life span will easily live to see it’s completion, will include such events as what the Christian church refers to as the second coming, the “rapture,” and the completion of the final prophecies in John’s Book of Revelation. The one who was Jesus will come in at close range (as soon as those who have chosen to change over do it) and receive the elect into his company, for they have been those he has nurtured since the beginning of this civilization.

Those who literally and physically rise up to join him away from the surface of the Earth will be a part of the “rapture,” and they at that time will become full-fledged members of that kingdom. If they have not completed their total effort as individuals in overcoming this world and all of their individual attachments to it by the time he comes in this seventh closeness, they will not receive that ingredient from the kingdom of God. If they have given their full effort toward total overcoming from the time their minds receive this clarification of changeover requirements until the seventh closeness, they will receive that final ingredient and become whole “in a twinkling of an eye” and be capable of moving and serving in the literal heavens as much as the butterfly is capable of moving it it’s world as compared to it’s limited capabilities when it was but a caterpillar.

None of this, if you desire to be a full recipient of what this information has to offer, can be taken as a concept for study, religious belief, or some new idea of an avant garde cult. The teachings that are contained here – if they speak to you and if you choose to accept them – must be applied to the activities in your life to the extent that very soon in your individual life you will have only one thing in mind – reaching our Father’s kingdom during the short time it is available to you and seeking his help in the total overcoming of this world, having been weaned from all your humanness so that you might be one of those prepared to meet him.

Message Summary

Our entire message and our mission can be summed up as follows:

1) There is a literal, physical kingdom of life above the human level.
2) That kingdom level exists in the literal, physical heavens outside the Earth’s atmosphere.
3) It is from humans changed over that members in the next level get their physical birth.
4) The season for that changeover comes rarely and brings with it the necessary assisting information through the minds of members of that next level, who incarnate as humans during that season in order to bear the information of how the changeover is accomplished. The bearers also serve as examples or specimens, illustrating that physical changeover accomplished.
5) Human candidates for the individual change-over can accomplish it only during that brief season.
6) These candidates must be in physical bodies of strong will, be mentally alert, and be in full control of their total selves.
7) If the candidate’s body dies or is left behind, it is an indication that he did not change over and become a physical member of that next kingdom anymore than a caterpillar that dies has not become a butterfly (But if a candidate’s body has died, his time of changeover may occur at the next graduation season.)”

A Reminder
To Those Who Are in a Position
to Give Their All

During the time of your preparation and change-over, you must guard against the misdirection of your energies. At the top of the list, your first desire must always be to reach the next kingdom. You can not enter if you have not become an individual who has the characteristics of others who are already members of that kingdom. At the core of your motivation must be the desire to be good and right to a degree not comprehendable by humans. Your greatest pleasure then becomes the pleasing of your Heavenly Father. You must know who your Heavenly Father is. If he is from the real heavens, and you know him, then you will always try to stay in tune with his mind and handle each circumstance as you believe he or his Father would handle it.

Your emphasis must remain on telling others that the real kingdom level of the real heavens exists, and that now a brief time exists for individuals to become members in it. If you emphasize the demonstration, you participate to a degree in the “show-me” point of view. If the demonstration occurs prematurely, those changing over will find themselves without close assistance, and could easily be misdirected.

“Sticking it out” or “just waiting for the spaceship” won’t accomplish your desired change. You have to be willing to accept the possibility that your “chrysalis” might take as long as ours took. Only continuous pushing and pressing forward will complete your changeover. This pressing includes “doing your Father’s work,” i.e., daily doing all that you can to spread the good news of the real kingdom of God. You must be determined to not allow anything or anyone to turn your head from your completion task. There will be many who would delight in seeing you turn back in order to justify their weakness.

Warning: There are artificial circumstances, objects, and indivduals who would woo you away from the real. This is true of aspects on every level – even “spacecraft” and “angels.” Be alert – know the difference.

Pineapple Street Episode 3 Judges TI a Hypocrite using a preconceived hypothesis based on rumors and broad assumptions

November 5, 2017

Here are my comments for Episode 3 “The Mothers” from the Pineapple Press podcast series Heaven’s Gate:

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I am sad that those unfounded opinions claiming Ti was a hypocrite were publicly broadcast.

Here I address the main points the show uses to form their judgemental hypothesis that Ti was a hypocrite for whoever stands behind those statements by the host to examine, if they so choose to. In my opinion they are at best trite psychoanalyzing TI and sloppy guess work to appear to build their case in support of their preconceived beliefs. None of their accusations have any common sense to them. For all anyone knows TI may have thought Terri could have become an overcomer, though none of this reveals Ti had that on her mind but claiming she was a hypocrite and wanted to get out is kin to people claiming that man hasn’t been to the moon. It made me wonder if the writers felt the story wasn’t sensational enough or too much of a positive slant on Ti so they decided to go for the throat to build a case where there is none – manufactured evidence without any humility behind the opinions. However I still tried to address the accusations.

Terri (Ti’s vehicle’s daughter, who never was a student in Ti and Do’s classroom) said she received 47 letters over the 12 years TI was out of her life, while students weren’t given near that many options to communicate with those they left behind.

First off, Ti and Do were the teachers and all the students who stayed, at least on the surface needed to recognize that or leave as Ti and Do never wanted anyone there who was not going to give their all to the “process” of overcoming their humanness under their direction. It would be quite the equivalent to sign up to be a student to a physics teacher, who would give a student homework they themselves didn’t need to learn because they already know the subject inside and out. Now I know that’s hard to imagine for many because they were teaching us to become non-human, yet Ti and Do knew that course and proved it to me and many others and all of them were thinkers, far from blind naive sheep. I am aware that’s hard to fathom but it’s the truth and there is a great deal of evidence of it.

What about the facts… Ti and Do made several hundred audio meeting tapes, wrote many papers, directed every aspect of a group of 100 or so people to start and down to 50 living outdoors while constantly upgrading every aspect of our lives. The Christmas before Ti left her vehicle she bought a gold laced china set and crystal wine goblets for water and parrots and finches as pets. And with each thing they did, some student was having a problem with it and if they had a problem with the instructors choices they needed to either get past it sufficiently or leave the class though leaving wasn’t ever held before us as a carrot to staying. With a few exceptions, we only talked about it a tiny bit after someone would leave. Some needed to learn to treating those instruments well so the gold leaf didn’t wear off and so that the goblets weren’t broken (though some were and those who couldn’t handle them with care were taken off that part of the drying task, so we had assigned glass goblet dryers. I was one).

Ti instigated all the big steps and was such a great example of a Next Level crewmember dedicated to performing her task for her Older Member and yet hardly ever gave a hint of how difficult the task was for her, though had high standards for all of us to reach up to. Yet she was never condescending or irritated or crude and either was DO for that matter yet her heart was clearly in it 100% day and night as DO testified to.

Ti told us we needed to give Them our will.

Ti decided when the harvest was over on April 21, 1976 that ended starting any new public meetings.

The characteristics she was teaching were “flexibility, change, quickness (though not primarily by speed but by lack of wasted motion – Do helped us see about her, keenness, gentleness, were some. Positivity was another point. Here is a document she wrote about “goodness” not too long before she left her vehicle. It was called “The Power of Goodness”:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/the-power-of-goodness-meditations-and-affirmations-ti-and-do-gave-their-students-to-prepare-for-service/

So she sent a bunch of letters! I know it’s hard to find dirt on Ti and Do so it’s tempting to conjure some up and granted the story is beyond belief for most to even consider but that doesn’t make it unreal and genuine. Why is it that Ti didn’t drive over to see Terri or call her more? Why only letters? Ti could have left any time she wanted to. DO said that on her vehicles death bed her entire concern was how DO was going to fare without his check partner and Older Member. Do told us this with Lvvody and Jnnody present and they were also with her in those last days. Do told us that Ti remained true to who she was right to the end and DO was carrying out all her wishes to even hold back from telling anyone about her exit. (I would guess that would be because it could have started an investigation, even though they had a doctors care throughout. They were still cult leaders so are called on the carpet for any thing someone wants to bring against them) and to them completing the mission was everything.

One of the reasons DO told us we couldn’t have more communication with our families, etc., they said was because if they had even a phone number for us, it wouldn’t be long that different members would be getting phone calls to come to weddings and birthdays and for every reason under the sun. Withdrawing from our natural addiction to human behaviors and ways required lots of time and opportunity to be tested on whether it’s what each student really wanted to do and do according to Ti and Do’s directions. It couldn’t be done part time. By the way severing human family ties was Jesus modus operandi as well:

Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

When Ti gave the optional task to students to pay a brief visit to the vehicles families or whoever has the most anxiety about the absence of their loved ones, which took place in 1985, I guess she didn’t visit her vehicles family. Ti and Do explained to us that our task was to “calm anxieties” and that in turn would relieve some of us from feeling that burden through our human roots that exist beyond the physical presence.

I didn’t have much of a tug from my vehicle’s family as I was a kind of a black sheep anyway who left them when I was 17 and by 19 lived across the country. Once in a while when I would call my mother would be mad at me for not calling more so they were somewhat used to it and my brother and sister were much younger so didn’t really know me. And we had nothing in common, though I hitchhiked back to see them all before Ti and Do came to Waldport, OR. However one time in about 1990 I woke up and sat up suddenly like one might see in a movie having dreamed that my dad died of a massive heart attack. I told DO about it and he asked me if I was concerned about them and that I could call if I wanted to. I told him I wasn’t. Some months later Do instigated a phone call for those that chose to do so and I called and my dad was fine. I learned on the next call, about a year later that my dad died of a massive heart attack and they had been trying to get in touch with me.

My mother had been in touch with Nancy Brown and she wanted to hire someone to look for me but my dad knew I was doing what I wanted to do and so talked her out of it and I understood later that that may have created some division between them.

I’m sorry for Terri’s pain as well as all the ones who loved my fellow students but they all get the chance to grow stronger for having that experience and especially if they seek help from their Heavenly Father to deal with their sorrow.

There was another part of a letter that I saw reported, perhaps by the NY Times from 1997 that Terri thought meant TI wanted to get out, that said something like “I’m in too deep to get out,” that wasn’t brought up in this Episode 3. Ti was in too deep to get out. She was fully committed to her Heavenly Father’s work and the main focus of that was to “get Do started” as she used to tell Do but he didn’t understand until after she “went back” to her Next Level station to help him from a better vantage point to complete the midwifing of their class, which was his task to do.

When we were instructed to have the option to send a letter or make a call, we had a check partner. The check partner was for a number of reasons. We wanted to be careful we didn’t expose our location as we already knew there were private investigators looking for some of us. We learned that when Jwnody returned to visit and her brother who was a police officer told her he hired someone and we learned that the investigator was in Dallas right after Ti and Do had us move out. Another reason was because it was our procedure but another was to have other ears to help access the content of the call. Another was to remind if there was something in particular that needed to be talked about with them. That actually happened with Alxody, Nancie’s son when I was his check partner on the phone. Alxody welcomed having a check partner.

For whatever it’s worth, as a side note, one time in the early 1990’s the students on a supply run, Jwnody and Chkody mostly, met a homeless family who had no transportation and they got in touch with DO and DO ended up giving them one of our cars, though overall that wasn’t necessarily part of our task to help others in that way. DO didn’t check with the group on doing that and any student who expected him to was certainly not a genuine student though I don’t doubt some may have found fault with him for doing so – part of their overcoming, if they did.

Ti was showing genuine care for Terri. When Ti and Do sent us to visit our vehicle’s families they suggested we leave some with something from us. They suggested a stone of some sort that would be like a talisman they could have to remind them of us. So when I was on Long Island I bought one for my brother, sister, mom and dad and gave it to them. Ti and Do didn’t have to do anything like that. I’d bet, they were/are the most amazing Beings that have ever walked on this planet.

With some of those letters money was sent for Terri and her siblings to use to help them that Terri reported as a total of $650 (but perhaps a little more than that). Again, the thinking is that it was the groups money and that the leader of the group had no right to give that away. But why not? Who was the money given to? It wasn’t given to me. It was never a student’s money. Ti and Do used the donations from those first 9 months and the subsequent trust fund from Ollody and I believe some funds from Srfody as well for the task. Ti as Do’s Older Member with DO decided how to use all that money and I doubt they ever banked it in their names or stashed it away somewhere.

The truth is that for the first 5 years or so that I was with Ti and Do none of us had jobs and we never in those years did without food and shelter in tents or gasoline or the cost to lease space to put a big camp on, as they did with some big spreads in Wyoming and northern Colorado and Texas. They bought lots of equipment to keep upgrading the camp with generators and big meeting tents, sleeping bags, nice heavy duty army cots with decent foam pads and sleeping bags and cook stoves and all that goes with it. They bought a very large tent for consuming and new tents a time or two. In about 1977 they bought a small trailer and they always had a nice car. One time they upgraded their trailer and the old one became our storage and “oven” space. They paid for everything with those monies. These are the facts that can be verified by Mark and Sarah and Frank and others.

To say that Ti was hiding these things from the group is the generation of deceitfulness. What would they have had to do to please her accusers of hypocrisy, hold elections for financial ministers? Were they supposed to check with each of their students on every purchase? As Mark and Sarah may be able to verify, when they had a bank account I have reason to believe it was in a students name, a student that didn’t have an Out of Craft Task so they couldn’t be traced to the class to try to pull them out of the cult.

Tao, a very early dropout from Ti and Do’s group repeats a rumor he was told that was something to the affect of; “the two became so disheartened and thought maybe we got this all wrong – maybe we are not who we think we are”.  I have some ideas of where this could have come from. Ti and Do did “grieve literally for days” and felt their “mission was dead” when the national news broke that reported their vehicle’s names and that they were felons from Texas. Do wrote about that time in “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew”:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two.
Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down
by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”? but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

I never heard Ti and Do say anything remotely like what was reported by Tao as, “maybe this is all wrong…maybe we’re not who we who we think we are”. However, after Ti left her vehicle around 1987 while we were in the Boulder canyon on Lost Angel Road, there was one meeting I’ve written about where Do asked us all if we would still want to follow him if he wasn’t who he thought he was. I recall Nrrody standing up and saying she would follow him no matter what, as was my response and it seemed many others. Do didn’t seem to me to be upset in proposing this. It felt pretty strange to hear but on the surface at least it didn’t matter to me.

I could imagine if I was on the fence about staying in the classroom, that could have been the straw. I’m not sure if that was before or after Mrcody and Srfody were “pushed” out of the class, to put it in Jnnody’s terms in her exit video statement, saying how Ti and Do did put effort into doing that. That’s what happened when DO instigated the lesson step of prefacing statements of fact with “I could be wrong” that Mrcody refused to say when he knew he was right about something. He was very sharp minded. We could take the lesson to an extreme. For instance if it was raining out and we were watching it rain and someone asked you and you responded, “I could be wrong, but it appears to be raining outside”. However to say it then wouldn’t have been wrong as it was establishing that habit and it didn’t have to be those exact words. The lesson came before Ti left her vehicle when Ti spoke about how much we’d have to put our trust in them as opposed to trusting our self. The example Ti and Do gave when that first came up years before then had to do with these tents we had that were called Leisure Ports. They were a light green in color. So the example was, what if Ti and Do said the Leisure Ports were polka dotted, would you see them as polka dotted.

Jesus taught this same lesson, saying a disciple must “deny himself” – that means put no faith and confidence in one’s self. It’s kin to the Lords prayer, “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven” – in other words I want to live by your will for me.

After Ti left her vehicle Do told us that when Ti told us around 1978 that we needed to give them our will, she thought they might lose half the class. Around then we were just around 60 or 70 members so since we got down to 24 before it went up again, I guess she was right, though if one polled each dropout they might not say it was because of that but it probably did amount to that. Thus another of the many ways they “pushed” people out that weren’t ready and willing to give it their all. Being pushed out can seem to some as their trying to justify ending the classroom but wow, can I think of a lot of ways they could have done that all along that would have been far quicker and less tedious as there were years in between some leaving.

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

The class held “help wanted” meetings for Mrcody. Those were meetings that could be instigated by Craft Overseers or by a person that wanted the help. I doubt Mrcody instigated them.  It was weird because Srfody came to Mrcody’s side something unheard of doing in the classroom. When a number of attempts to help Mrcody failed he and Srfody were instructed to leave and Do had each of us go up to them and say something to the affect of, “you can come back when you want to abide by all the lesson steps”. Even saying that for someone on the fence might have been hard to do but that was instruction and as with all things in the classroom they were tests of our commitment.

Speaking of commitments. It was Ti who held a meeting with Do present but where she started the lesson step of making our “committal to Do”. She explained that Do knew we had to do this but was uncomfortable asking us to commit to him, so she told us. That began a period of time of being required to write about our feeling of making that commitment to Do. They didn’t tell us what to write. Another big step Ti instigated.

Jesus said it in a number of ways. Here is one:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Then there was the parable of the virgins waiting for their groom to marry, an illustration Jesus gave to prepare them for the same degree of commitment they would need to have with him as they were supposed to honor among one another they became the spouse of. He was to take the place of our spouse.

After Ti left, some days or weeks later, Do started wearing a wedding ring and then got a silver band for each of us. I turned it in when I left. At that time, Do held a session where each student would go up to him and he was weeping a little. We were not supposed to watch what he did with each student but needed to mill around to see when the next person should go up to him. I don’t recall him saying anything but he was perspiring a great deal. When it was my turn, he put his hands on the sides of my face so that my head was just a foot or so away from his face. He would sometimes have a private time with each student. With me when he did, he held my face in his hands like that and sometimes kissed my forehead. That maybe happened twice that I can recall in those years.

-Since I’m responding to Tao’s statement of hearing that Ti and Do were disheartened and doubting who they were, which I never saw, I can say I saw DO distraught on three occasions.

After Ti’s exit he was very depleted it seemed though that lasted for one meeting as far as I could tell, though I know it weighed on him thereafter to degrees.

Another time was when the first castration didn’t go as well as he/we had hoped he suggested he’d allowed it and said, something like, “I need to turn myself over to the police for permitting it”.

For that I clearly remember those present, Lvvody, Jnnody and I (as Srrody was lying down in another room then) saying, “no, no, we’ll take care of it,” and Do asked us to call Lggody and Jwnody to help us and he went into his quarters and we handled it and it all worked out fine as it was a minor complication that the hospital we took Srrody to took care of with one night’s stay there to observe his healing. The drainage tubes Lvvody put in weren’t draining right. Lvvody learned the procedure when she as a registered nurse working as an assistant in surgery for an Orchiectomist – a doctor who removed testicles that were cancerous.

Another time was when we moved to Atlanta around 1987 from Boulder/Denver where we had two or three large houses full of furnishings that required 5 – 24 foot Ryder trucks to pack and move. When we got there DO had his crew put down payments on three large modern houses in North Atlanta, in the Peachtree-Dunwoody well to do section of town, first, last and security deposit on each. I was one of the first ones to land a good job programming for Peachtree Software but other Out of Crafters (workers outside our house) weren’t doing so well. Parts of our classroom had been there for up to a month.  I worked for two weeks and Do held a meeting where he was almost weeping because he said he couldn’t “feel Ti’s presence” and he felt  “underwater” there. But he never denied who he was then and again I recall Nrrody jumping up with a few others to come up to him and suggest going back to Colorado, to which DO said he felt bad that we’d spent all that money, and quit all those good jobs and packed those trucks, etc. I didn’t relish the idea of having to quit that job as that was never fun, especially for high tech jobs that required training to come up to speed on their software and disappointing the employer but I certainly didn’t want to stay there if DO felt underwater.

Ti and Do always felt like they had their connection with their Older Member in the Next Level when they remained west of the Mississippi River. Years after I left when I started researching and writing my prophecy book it became really interesting to see that the New Jerusalem was described as a spacecraft that was about 1260 miles square which is pretty much the distance from the Mississippi River to the Pacific ocean and would extend north to around Edmonton, Alberta, BC. There is a lot more to say about that, that even involves Mark Twain  and his saying the cost to ride a comet’s tail to heaven was $5.75. It’s all in my book with the Captains deck on a Mississippi River boat called the Tejas deck and DO’s Older Member Soul was the Archangel Michael, where an Archangel is defined as a “captain of angels (Next Level crew members)”.

re: that part of one letter to Terri used in the episode to look like it was a big basis of her thinking that Ti “wanted out”, that read:

“be good, strive for goodness and by all means conform to society so you will have peace of mind. “

Terri wasn’t in the classroom, nor was Terri the Older Member teacher of an overcoming classroom so what Ti would say to her is not what she is going to say necessarily to her students. What’s wrong with wanting her vehicles daughter to have “peace of mind?” She was accused of plenty as being a cult leader so I guess that opens the door for her to be accused of simply showing love and kindness.

We also had instructions to conform to society though I can’t recall using that word “conform”. When we started to get jobs in the 1980’s, Ti and Do had a crew, they called, “pursers” to do all our tax returns. And they instructed us to not go over the speed limit by more than “2-3 miles over” – why – to not break the laws of the land and have trouble from them. Plus they at one point said we needed to grow so keen that we could drive a hypothetical stolen white Cadillac cross country and not get caught. Frank and Mark and Sarah may remember this.

“conforming to society” in certain ways was also taught by Jesus:

Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

I think it can be said that one can have more “Peace of mind” when they don’t buck the system. I tried to buck the system several times in my life. The latest was when I refused to pay for two speeding tickets that I didn’t think I deserved. What I found out is that the system is designed to make it hard to make one’s case without hiring a lawyer so I spent many hours and ended up getting my drivers license suspended and then had a headlight out one time so got arrested and had to use my credit to bail myself out and ended up paying $1000.00 in fines when I could have settled it all for a couple hundred initially. All that time I was driving without a license I did not have peace of mind. Now I am such a goody two shoes in my driving practice.

Even though we were social dropouts forming our own sub-CULT-ure Ti and Do had us try very hard to fit in, to not be interfered with, which is another form of having “peace of mind” I think.

I think Ti was trying to ease Terri’s pain and anxiety.

In some cultures one’s son or daughter would be praised for giving themselves to God. As I recall, though I’m not sure where to document it, Ti and Do taught that parents don’t own their kids that grow up into adults, though are responsible for those children before then and that adults are not responsible for their parents.

Plus, Ti was receiving the biggest dosage of the negativity against she and Do because she was Do’s Older Member. I have a number of examples of this and just so happens it was forecast for this to happen to Ti.

DO told us in the only direct bible lesson he/they gave over 19 years, which was also one of the tiny few times DO held a meeting without Ti in it, (while Ti was incarnate) that the Revelation chapter 12 “woman” was referring to Ti:

Rev 12:1-2 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Note the references to the astrological/astronomical characteristics and how Ti was an astrologer that she consider to be a “game”, though one that could have some value. Plus this describes Ti “getting DO started” said as “catching him up to God and to his throne” – the task of leading the classroom.

I could go word by word to describe how it applies to Ti and Do and what they said and did. That’s what my book does.

Later in the Rev chapter 12 timeline (as often chapter timelines overlap one another) Ti is shown to exit because of a “flood” from the Dragon’s mouth. That’s the negativity she endured that I realized sounds like what Do called her “burning out her vehicle”.

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

The phrase “earth opened her mouth” can be found as an expression in the Old Testament that referred to someone dying and going into the earth – the grave or to become dust again.

I can go through every verse in the Book of Revelations to show how they can be legitimately and in context with references galore, seen as applying to Ti and Do and their teachings and forecast and fulfillment, etc. It’s all in my book and I give it away for those that want to see that body of evidence. Here is a sample on my book web site but search the book name on my blog for the entire book’s contents.

http://www.tianddothefatherandjesusheavensgateufotwowitnesses.com/bookintroduction_appendix/

I think we started having the meditation exercise that was only done as a group one time or two I can recall though we did at the same times some times wherever we were not always having a room to go to. It was optional how much one did it after a week or so of having an instruction to do a certain amount that also included doing any time or day anywhere as a help to keep “influences” away from our consciousness. The influences get harder to handle when we have less physical or mental actions engaged otherwise act to distract us from thoughts of self influences – the past, sensual related thoughts, etc.

When Terri said something to the affect that “nothing (Ti and Do) said had come true”, that’s another rumor I’ve heard repeated many times but then from a non-believers standpoint that can look that way but the facts are that some of those things were changed by them to a “might” which I can prove about the Demonstration as talked about in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary, published in 1976 from interviews and statements and reporting by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger.

I understand that at first Ti and Do were led by their Older Members to believe they would perform the Demonstration but as they always said, they only gave us each step as they received it and that part of our overcoming was adapting to change as they said, “change is the name of the game” and that such changes would become tests. In this way, as Jnnody said in her exit tape, Ti and Do put effort out to “push people out of the group” that didn’t exhibit wanting to be there. Hence changes stimulated those tests. So here is some records of how they thought about the Demonstration after they were “shot down by the press”:

Brad Steiger’s interview with Bo and Peep on Jan. 7, 1976 in Oklahoma City, OK:

Do speaking: “It was while we were at Gold Beach that we realized that we had, in fact, come from the next level, that we had to be the instruments of giving information about how others could reach the next level, and that this would probably precipitate a demonstration of our death and our subsequent resurrection.”

Note how he said, “probably precipitate a demonstration of our death and our subsequent resurrection”. They didn’t say that as a fact that it would occur and they never dropped that it might occur.

And because of another question in Brad Steiger’s inteview, from pg. 96:

Brad: When you say that you have to be assassinated, put to death, in a major American city, are you patterning yourselves on the experience and the death of Christ?

The Two: No – it’s the only proof we can show that we are who we are. It is characteristic of the members of the next kingdom to be able to heal their bodies in three and a half days. The fact that we might have to do that demonstration did not come to our minds after reading Jesus’ life.

Again “Might have to do that demonstration” isn’t stating it as a fact.

And here is another question from pg 128:

Question: If you’re going to be picked up in a UFO by members of the next kingdom, are you going to have to go to a certain place at a certain time for this to happen?

The Two: No, we do not have to be in a certain place. We, of course, would not head for the middle of Times Square – unless we were to do our demonstration there. We would probably go out to a spot that was relatively remote, but we wouldn’t go there until we felt led, until we felt it was time to go there.

Our Father’s kingdom will wait until the world has decided about us. If the world decides that we must follow through with the demonstration, then we will go into our Father’s kingdom.

We will keep a very close eye on those who are involved in their overcoming and stay as close to them as we can. And when they have completed the process, they will receive the information about where they should go so that they may leave. We do not feel that they will leave from public areas. The public show will be our demonstration – if it is necessary.

“if it is necessary” is not stating it as a fact.

However, they at first did think they would do the demonstration when they said in the document, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew”, in “Statement I” that Ti and Do first mailed out in March of 1975 that resulted in their first big private meeting that resulted in around a couple dozen joining them, which took place in North Hollywood, California:

Do writing, “There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death.”

and continuing…,

“This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.”

Again speaking to all their carefully chosen words, “months” doesn’t say how many months would pass and note DO didn’t quote the “3 1/2 days” (time periods and other general representations of time provided in many cases) in the Two Witness prophecy.

Those who say nothing ever happened that Ti and Do predicted, I can relate to Jesus saying to his disciples only, that they would be shown more of the truth that for others would remain the “mysteries of the kingdom” because they were given help to SEE and Hear:

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Here are a tiny few examples that I know came true but there are many, but without experience or a desire to know them like I do, you may never see them as having come true.

1) Ti said she came to get DO started and then would go back.
She left ahead of Do and Do finished the task without her and this is shown in Revelations chapter 12 as in the plan, though Ti and Do weren’t informed of this until it became apparent by Ti’s exit. I contend that they were not supposed to know til then as it was a strategy by the Next Level to throw off the Luciferian space alien fallen angel souls, who were trying to second guess what the Next Level would say and do when they returned.

2) Ti and Do said that a spacecraft would come to pick them up and it did evidenced by:

An object was seen with telescopes and photographed with Hale Bopp comet (before it went behind the sun) and reported in 1996 on the Art Bell radio show by Chuck Sharack who had a CCD photograph he allegedly got from the University of Hawaii observatory that he described as a “saturn-like” object and it also became known as the Hale Mary. Alan Hale said it was a star and that Sharack didn’t have his preferences set right on his software, the reason he couldn’t identify it as a star. Another photo was taken from the Hubble Space Telescope that Art Bell was supposed to have but never received or showed. Hawaii observatory said the object next to Hale Bopp was a “light refraction”.  However, a Japanese observatory also took a photograph of it and that photo brings evidence of it’s existence because of the way the light of stars when photographed, the further away they are, take more of an oblong shape to our eye. Neither the Hale Bopp comet nor this alleged companion object had nearly the amount of oblong shape as did the stars around them, thus proving the two objects were very close together.

Also, the alleged companion had a thin black “tail” in the Japanese photo. Subsequent videos images from the SOHO space telescope that is trained on the sun 24/7 showed a black object with such a tail dipping it’s tail into the sun as if feeding energy from the sun.

In 1997 a paper was published that hypothesized the existence of a binary nucleus to fully explain the observed pattern of comet Hale–Bopp’s dust emission observed in October 1995. The paper proposed Hale Bopp theoretically had a satellite nucleus, but estimated that it would have a diameter of about 30 km, with the main nucleus being about 70 km across, and would orbit in about three days at a distance of about 180 km. This analysis was confirmed by observations in 1996 using Wide-Field Planetary Camera 2 of the Hubble Space Telescope which had taken images of the comet that revealed the satellite.

When Hale Bopp came out from behind the sun, no companion was seen but it had three distinct tails never seen before on a comet. It was also the most viewed comet and the biggest viewable comet in history and was visible in daylight to the naked eye, so “every eye could see”, as Jesus said would happen.

To give some evidence of a comet having a companion object, the first one after Hale Bopp came in March/April of 2013, (the 40 year mark (1 hour Next Level time frame) from Ti and Do’s initial awakening period by mid February of 1973) named Pan Starrs. It was photographed by NASA that I saw posted on Spaceweather.com and I copied the photo. In the photo, there is a black dot out front of the comet’s head. I was watching a NASA employee talking about the comet and he said ,referring to the black dot, “I hope they can tell us what it is!”. I never saw that photo again though I looked for it.

There is more evidence of objects with comets (ISON) or comets that have a clear double nucleus (Honda in 2017) but I’ll keep this short for now but this does become evidence of a spacecraft. It’s not like the US and Russia and England and Brazil and France and Belgium and other nations have no evidence of alien visitations in spacecrafts, so that entire subject becomes evidence that Ti and Do were right about – 1) that there do exist extraterrestrials and that they 2)  have physical bodies, some of which don’t have the same organs as humans and that 3) they can travel in physical spacecrafts.

Plus this has a prophecy verification as well, as Jesus said:

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The word “lightning” is listed in Strongs concordance as:

796 astrape from astrapto 797; lightning; by analogy, glare:–lightning, bright shining.

797 astrapto probably from aster 792; to flash as lightning:–lighten, shine.

792 aster’ probably from the base of strwnnumi – stronnumi 4766; a star (as strown over the sky), literally or figuratively:–star.

Thus a “bright shining light strewn over the sky” – what today would be seen as a comet with it’s tail and visible to us as “rising in the east and setting in the west” and that would accompany the Son of Man, the offspring human, a way of describing a Next Level Soul taking over (incarnating into) a human vehicle. So Ti was in a spacecraft trailing behind and later within what we saw as the Hale Bopp comet.

Also when Jesus left by rising up physically in the air, a characteristic of his new transformed metamorphosed physical vehicle the records say the disciples became aware of two people standing with them saying this was the way He would always come and go, which was via this “cloud of light”, the way Jehovah also came and went from his tent in the Moses encampment. Thus Hale Bopp comet was that “cloud of light” passing by us that everyone on earth could see if they tried to.

Ti and Do said that’s who they were/are Older Members from the Kingdom in the heavens who speak plainly about their kingdom, no longer in parables as they clearly did.

DO identified TI as the Soul of his Heavenly Father and Ti identified DO as the same Soul who had been incarnate as Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus, all of which were taken into the Next Level Heavens with their physical bodies, which Jesus said identified them as having come from the Kingdom of God in the Heaven’s. (Rev 3:12)

DO said Ti was the Woman in Revelation 12 and I later brought a great deal of evidence to that idea which is among hundreds of other points of evidence.

But they will only become proof to those who are given the “eyes to see” as Jesus taught also took place when the Kingdom of God gives that gift to people. If people take offense that this implies if they can’t see it then they don’t have that gift, then I suggest asking the Next Level for that gift and I’m pretty sure they will give it to you, as Jesus taught, “ask and you shall receive” but if you don’t ask then you may not ever see that truth.

Ti and Do taught that students of this “process” would become new creatures, hence the evidence of the 38 in the exit video’s who no longer related to who their vehicles were.

Ti and Do said their students would be grafting to a new vine, a new family which Jesus taught as well and that family can be seen among their classmates so much so that when they returned voluntarily by themselves to visit with their human families on two occasions, with the exception of one (Rthody) chose not to stay with their families which they easily could have done by just not using the return airplane flight back to Dallas and in 1987 to Denver from wherever they went.

Ti and Do also taught that discarnates – dead human’s spirits existed. Again no one will necessarily know this is true if they don’t have experience but there are many humans who do believe this to be true. To me it was like common sense to believe it but I had never seen any evidence of them until about 2010 when for a matter of several months I had two distinct but very different sightings and then perhaps 4 or 5 additional but very different kinds of sightings. Plus I learned how to block thoughts and/or discarnates from influencing me by exercising my mind as Ti and Do taught. This isn’t an abstract exercise. One learns how to put up type of barrier of energy that keeps thoughts we don’t want at bay and that barrier gets stronger the more we employ it so that we can go from rejecting a thought to stopping a thought mid sentence from registering to not even hearing the first words of a thought but recognizing it’s general nature, what I believe Ti called “smelling” an “influence”.

This whole idea that was also taught by Jesus has a great deal of historic evidence as real but the Luciferian misinformation campaign has stifled many of our recognition of it’s truth, making it into science fiction.

Now I know this next analysis is perhaps the least for many to consider but to some and especially to the 38 and other believers in them or to Jesus examples of thinking they did “recover from their “dead” state” noting how DO put it in quotes for a special meaning to “dead”. Jesus considered all who didn’t seek to be part of his classroom by believing all he taught to be “dead”. For example:

Mat 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

And in terms of their being seen leaving, we all saw that in the footage of their exit and it was timed and part of the story to be at the time of closest approach of the “cloud of light” – Hale Bopp Comet as Jesus said was a sign of his coming and going.

And we all now have the complete “formula” on how to go to heaven which I can share with anyone who is interested and it’s not to commit suicide but it does entail believing that Ti and Do were from the Creators Kingdom who created all the planets and all the life forms and who are also willing to “stand” for that truth regardless of the consequences until we each exit our vehicles.

When they told us we were to wait for the spacecraft, I can’t say I recall how that was said – as a fact or not. For me it didn’t matter. I didn’t join to get a ride on a UFO nor to see them rise from the dead. It just all made so much sense to me somehow, which I now know was because like Ti and Do said each of the vehicles Souls were trying to “get into” were prepared ahead of time, even from birth to be potential recipients and then we were given “smelling salts” so it was like, “phew, that makes sense, let’s get on with it”. But my main point is that I have nothing to gain or lose personally by not remembering how certain Ti and Do were about a spacecraft coming then or in the second time we did that which in that case I know DO wasn’t saying he was certain. That was in about 1992 I think right after we fasted on water for 13 days while living outdoors in the desert west of Phoenix. And there was no pickup then but a bright light that made no sound did fly over us but it certainly wasn’t what DO hoped for.

This idea that what’s good for the goose doesn’t have to be good for the gander is also evidenced after Ti exited her vehicle and DO started us on dietary research for maximum health and longevity that resulted in the Transfiguration Diet Book publishing. He said they hadn’t needed to start that diet until after Ti left because “Ti didn’t need to go through that” (diet regimen). It was a mucous-less diet, no processed foods, no flesh foods, no dairy, no stimulants, coffee, booze, and no fried foods and no refined sugars. I used that diet recently and it healed me from being crippled from Lymes disease. Frank might remember this diet and it may be talked about in one of the suppressed audio tapes Mark and Sarah, last I heard still won’t allow the public to have.

Misc points:

We never had instruction to say “good morning” to check partners and I had a lot of check partners that never ever said good morning to me.

Check partners were changed often but not during that first 9 or so months on the road that Leslie seemed to be referring to.

Also all of the students that remained after the 19 were sent out of the group and some others dropped out received “ody” name extensions I believe that was around 60 members, many of whom ended up dropping out in years to come.

I never heard Ti and Do say “maybe this is all wrong…maybe we’re not who we who we think we are”. However, after Ti left there was one meeting I’ve written about where Do said that asking if we would still want to follow him if he wasn’t who he thought he was. And a few students, namely Nrrody I recall stood up to say she would follow him no matter what, which is what I also felt but didn’t have the presence of mind to say out loud, (as a few did to chime into what Nrrody said).

A meeting after that DO said that “we need to be who we are”. This was 1987 and I think it was before Mark and Sarah were instructed to leave the class because they didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” exercise. He was referring to being the same Souls who were incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus and Jesus’ students. Do was examining from that point on whether to go public again and how that became the remaining 6 of 7 thunders (roars) from the Lion of Juda.

My first check partner was Dandy who became Dndody and I wouldn’t say she was that least likely person I might otherwise have wanted to be friends with. After all, her partner before joining was Prkody (who also joined with her) and he was a kind of hippie type with a long hair braid living in Oregon. Dandy may have had that sense about me but we got along pretty well I thought and we spent months on the road hitchhiking throughout the Midwest holding little public meetings. But in the beginning especially there were some who joined who were curiosity seekers or to see what would happen – to see if a UFO would show up or they would be killed.

I had to kind of mentally fight off one new member who went by the name Lightborn who was insisting Dandy and I break up our partnership when Ti and Do assigned our partnership. I don’t think he ever met Ti and Do and was very difficult to deal with when we got to Boston to hold a public meeting, when we didn’t know where Ti and Do were for many months – after the national news broke.

Remember how Jesus spoke about judging others, saying the way we judge others we will be judged. That’s what seems to be the case in calling Ti a hypocrite. Perhaps the ones doing the judging of who is a hypocrite are the real hypocrites not wanting to face the ways they are hypocritical?

**** Comments and Sawyer’s replies: ****

XF Checker I would have left the Class at that point. A leader doesn’t tell their followers to give up everything yet the leader buys parrots and finches. And what’s even worse is telling the student that disagreed with it if they don’t like it they can leave? That is ridiculous, Sawyer. That’s like the saying of “Do as I say, not as I do.” Sorry, but I have a problem with the parrots and finches and buying special plates and things for those birds? Makes no sense whatsoever. I would have left the Class at that point.

Sawyer Heavensgate They didn’t buy dishes for the birds We used the dishes with the gold rims and also nice silverware and also nice crystal goblets like for wine but we used for water. I admit at first I was puzzled, I mean for a minute or so, but then adjusted because I recognized who they are then and I still, thanks to them, recognize them now. Perhaps that wouldn’t have been the best step for you as the classroom was filled with those kinds of challenges. They never claimed it was for everyone. They even turned down at least one person that was reported in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary and I sort of turned down 2 people from joining in 1994 because when I told them we ate whatever we were provided at this time, they couldn’t imagine not being vegan. Some in the group thought I shouldn’t have turning them away as fast and they may have been right. Perhaps I should have held my tongue and checked with my partner at the time, but then when DO found out, he never corrected me on it. What Ti and Do said and did didn’t have to make sense to us. They were the teachers and we weren’t even paying them. We were in their program so they made the rules. If someone didn’t like the rules then they were always free to leave and did but what makes sense doesn’t follow a human programming necessarily as the Next Level has the overview and Ti and Do were always very particular with their choice of words and would check with one another.

So buying the birds was another test of the students. Why birds? But for those that knew they were exactly where they wanted to be, even if they didn’t understand it, they knew it was right and your point proves it because this became the way many who were not really ready for what they had to offer would be unconsciously faced with deciding. It took years for some to decide and yet Ti and Do, I believe treated each student as if that student wanted to give it their all, though didn’t yet understand what that meant.

Remember when Jesus said they needed to eat his flesh and drink his blood and some thought he was crazy because that didn’t make sense to some yet to others even if they didn’t understand it, they knew they belonged to that effort.

I don’t see that as anyone’s fault. I’m not claiming to be on a higher ground as I too chose to leave when I could have rose to the occasion to ask for help to look to DO more instead of caving in to my influences I was still clinging to.

XF Checker I get what you’re saying. Perhaps I used some strong words in my previous post I could have toned down. Instead I operated under a cringe or on a whim when I could have waited a while before executing a more refined statement. I’m not saying in any way that Ti was or is a bad individual. Nor am I trying to sound like I’m on some higher plateau. All I’m saying is I just have a problem with what Ti did, but I’ll have to deal with it in a constructive manner.

XF Checker That’s also what made the classroom the hardest thing a human can do, because of the way we are all susceptible to our accepted programming and self confidence and believes however subtle that Ti and Do constantly challenged. They had no human tail feathers for our minds to fall back on having confidence in and they didn’t make their choices based on what might seem like common sense. They were finely tuned receiver/transmitters for the Next Level so if the Next Level said tell the students the tent was pokla dotted when they all might agree it’s solid green, each student would have to be faced with a battle that would be our mind against theirs, believe in ourselves more than we believe in them. (that was the example of the intro to the “I could be wrong lesson step”.

So what does the student do when they question the Older Member’s actions?

(However, this not the same as having a question of understanding something they said. Things they do whether we see the reason for or not are not appropriate questions to voice. It would be like the lab instructor bringing in some new gear and not offering an explanation. They don’t owe an explanation to the student. Anyway, if one did voice such a question of the lab instructors choice, the response might be… “It was my instruction to give this new gear to you.” The student would then linger on that to find out why they got that instruction and the Lab instructor might give more details BUT then that would be taking away from the other lessons and ignoring a big lesson of whether or not one trusts their lab instructor and to what degree)

What a student with such critical thoughts would do was follow the procedure to treat it like a discarnate whether it is or not and put up a “blank card’ in our own mind so we obliterate the thought. With practice that can eliminate even having the thought (yet knowing/feeling “smelling” it’s signature vibration), for instance in this case, doubt.

As we build up that “mind muscle” thoughts like that become about as pesky as a mosquito we can just swat away. (But of course for each student, depending on what their vehicle and boogers present them with can make what is minor for someone else major to deal with). Even so, that doesn’t stop the mosquito from still trying to get a bite and this was designed to work this way. There would have been nothing wrong with a student then writing a note expressing to Ti and Do what they dealt with or to do so in a “slippage meeting” because in that classroom format it would be a slippage IF we entertained such thinking for any amount of time instead of just “nipping it in the bud”. Having the attack is not a slippage. Dwelling on it becomes one and those standards would need to be raised continuously to keep up with the classroom so that when it’s done, all have adequate control over all their “boogers”.

Thus this is one example of the mechanism of “washing” our Minds (or as Jesus called “sweeping out our house”) of human misinformation mind because following procedures from the current and present Older Members no matter what they are is using Next Level Mind and not following procedures is not using Next Level Mind – as simple as that. This is also why such a classroom can not exist as it requires lab instructors who are going to give each student what the Next Level chooses to give to the students. They might say, all the males should grow a beard and trim it’s corners so to do so would be accomplishing the lesson step. But to think we should do that now based on a previous lesson step like that would not have much if any value I don’t think, but that would not be the same for behaviors and ways, except to keep up with the updates. For instance Moses gave the lesson of who to have sex with or not but didn’t make it a slippage (sin) to have thoughts about having sex with someone else. Then Jesus said even thinking about lusting for another while married would be a slippage and then Ti and Do said that there was no longer marriage at all (which Jesus also introduced) anymore between students that is as we needed to give our all to our “marriage” to DO.

Also, I don’t get how this lesson step was like Ti and Do saying, “do as I say, not as I do”. Ti and Do did leave all behind. Nor did Ti and Do always abide by what the students abided by and it had to be that way. For instance, if Ti and Do wanted to leave the camp for whatever reason did that mean that students should be able to hop in a car and leave the camp for whatever reason? The students could do that to a point but then they don’t want to be in that classroom if they aren’t going to follow the teachers school rules. Ti and Do had different tasks just like what would happen for a Lab professor who didn’t need the same lesson steps in his/her classroom.

No Real Comparison of Jonestown suicides with Heaven’s Gate

October 27, 2017

At the end is the link to an article that compared Jonestown to Heaven’s Gate that I show really has little to no genuine equivalent comparison other than both their groups membership physically dying by ingesting drugs under the leadership of one leader. Based on that one could equate the president of a country as a dangerous cult leader who stimulates their soldiers to give their lives which I know to many seems preposterous to compare but is it really?

On the surface these two groups can be barely compared and I don’t doubt that from a membership prospective there were some tiny likenesses but other than that there is no comparison except in the use of poison to end their vehicles lives.

To follow are  some of the many huge differences that reveal this comparison as a typical Luciferian Soul “facsimile” production of what Ti and Do were doing. And it’s interesting how some of those who initially joined with Ti and Do in 1975, from the first meeting in North Hollywood around April 21st thought that they (Ti and Do) were promoting suicide both literally and figuratively which was not the case literally then, even if one did define suicide by it’s human definition as self stimulated death of one’s body. Figuratively speaking Ti and Do’s group were more realistically ending their human lifestyle entirely where in the Jones camp humanness was not changed at all really according to the evidence. Some of what I’m saying about the fear of suicide came from Joan Culpepper (more of an infiltrator into the group than a follower as she stated). Plus there was a relative of a student who testified her fear of their committing suicide in 1975 (about three years before the Jonestown event) that was documented in the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary.” Here are some snippets of that book on this blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

So here are the key differences that are major in the Jonestown People Temples group that there was not even a shade of indicator of in the Heaven’s Gate group:

1. Children were forced to drink the poison cocktail. One can see and hear it in the video with Jones preaching to do it while people are crying. Ti and Do didn’t allow children in their group.

2. If only one person disagreed and was forced to ingest the poison cocktail the entire idea could not be compared with Heaven’s Gate group. This was evidenced in the Jonestown story by video testimony and survivors. Some people who fled that last meeting were hunted down by gunmen. People were held at gunpoint to ingest the poison according to the records. In the Heaven’s Gate group people were challenged to leave throughout and 19 of the initial 100 members in 1976 were separated from the larger group and Ti and Do said they didn’t make the “first cut” on who they thought could accomplish the task of overcoming all their humanness.

3. Murder of the congressman at the airport as they attempted to leave was also a huge indicator of how different Jonestown was from Heaven’s Gate. The records indicate that Jim Jones was stimulated to take this action to escape prosecution when he learned that some in his group had passed notes to the congressman saying that they wanted to get out.

4. The People’s temple was a human social and political group. Heaven’s Gate was not social nor political. Spirituality seemed to be mostly absent from the documentaries I watched but if it was a big part was not any different from other spiritual and/or religious groups that had political and community support before they moved to Guyana. Heaven’s Gate wasn’t religious or spiritual in that context. The only reason they are considered religious is because it is through the man made worldly religions that the records of the Next Level’s incarnate activity was passed on and because the nature of the information was about Mind – “the character of the soul” as DO once defined Mind, that he taught was synonymous with the word, “spirit”.

5. Members of the People’s Temple did not leave everything behind to join with Jones – mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, houses, etc. (as Jesus taught some of his disciples had done (i.e. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. ) and that all Ti and Do’s students were instructed to do (though there was no way to verify that any one student had done but it was talked about as having an “ace in the hole” for those that didn’t. However I read one report that indicated Ti and Do turned away at least one person who was considering joining with them. She had children and it was reported that Ti and Do said she shouldn’t follow with them at that time and that perhaps she might follow later (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary)).

Jones and his group were a human organization with human family values and human behaviors that they took with them to Guyana, including relationships among members and sexuality and punishments for non-compliance. Ti and Do’s group members did not continue human relationships with anyone back in the world nor with one another when some joined who had such a relationship. (I was one of those who joined with my former partner I had lived with for 5 years and for the first ten years had zero communication with my vehicle’s family back in New York. The only relationships Ti and Do’s student had were as fellow crew members. There was no chit chatting or gossip or shooting the breeze or having best friends or confidants or “familiarity” among certain members (though we still enjoyed one anthers camaraderie and companionship and friendship and personalities and helpfulness (within the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught that are most synopsized in the lists referred to as the “Seventeen Steps” and the “Major and Lessor Offenses” – that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book and posted on the Heavensgate.com web site and posted on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-major-and-lessor-offense-list/

6. The idea that the Jonestown people were forming a utopia on earth was totally absent with the Heaven’s Gate group. According to Ti and Do’s teachings there was no “heaven on earth” in that way, at least not during the current civilization. They did say in the future, if humans showed the Next Level that they had evolved to be civilized – like not choosing to shoot at beings from other worlds, for example then the earth could be made into a Next Level Base aka a Heavenly Body where Members of the Next Level could be seen coming and going but still would not live among humans. They talked about how there were other planets where human equivalent beings were growing in ways totally unlike in the earth’s human kingdom because humans were somewhat unique because of the presence of the Luciferian space alien fallen angels they permitted to become catalysts for the growth of souls. There could be another planet but it would only be equivalent to earth if some human equivalent to Luciferians were also present but they mostly felt there wasn’t another such earth/human equivalent planet. (Some of this can be seen talked about in the Blackhawk tapes and a little in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). For the Blackhawk tapes one can search my Youtube channel named: 3SPM for “Blackhawk” and find three posts of those audios made into videos.

With Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate group the idea from the start was that we were all going to exit the earth, always potentially with our bodies but certainly as Souls for those who qualified. I doubt there were any qualifications to join with Jim Jones (but I could be wrong about that, but if there were I’d bet they were human qualification characteristics (humanitarianism) verses Above Human characteristic qualifications), many of which are in the records that came through a number of what became religions.

7. There were no abuses in Ti and Do’s group. There were never any sexual misconduct that I witnessed and none that were reported by the hundreds of followers over the years who dropped out. There was no punishment for not living by the “procedures” (rules) except for being sent out of the group. Some were sent out of the group and a number of those returned in unusual ways as there were only two “recruitment” periods from 1975 to 1976 and from 1993 (via media) and for about 9 months face to face in meetings around the US and Canada in 1994 and then via internet media by the presence of the Heaven’s Gate web site and postings to Usenet groups that one person joined from and was among the 38 who layed down their lives.

(By the way, “recruitment” was nothing like many groups I’ve both read about and experienced, like the Moonies for instance. We never stood on corners to sell flowers or anything else with the hope of drawing people to our meetings with an offer of food and then once there those who came would learn they needed to sit through their presentation before they’d be fed. It’s sort of the model of the Salvation Army. The entire “recruitment” effort was simply putting up posters on storefronts and bulletin boards in New age centers and health food stores and on telephone poles around the town where we planned a public meeting. Sometimes we got some free press and/or radio and/or TV coverage. People would come to the meeting and listen for a short time and take some questions and then were told if anyone wanted more information to stay after in which case sometimes even some who though they might want to join us were faced with details that dissuaded them. Nothing was ever hidden and there were not carrots put before a person’s eyes, so to speak. However, one might think the idea that they were joining with true Representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven could be a carrot but Ti and Do and their Students didn’t need to have more members so had no interest in cajoling anyone.)

8. Plus the way DO and crew laid down their lives was never rehearsed as it was with the Jonestown group. In the Jonestown group they had a number of rehearsals but the members of the community weren’t told they were rehearsals according to one or more survivor reports. People drank the drink that they were told had poison in it and nothing happened to them, so that became a conditioning to the act. DO did ask on several or more occasions each member of the group if they had any reservations about taking their exit into their own hands by drinking the phenobarbital mixture. One such time was when I was still in the group in September of 1994 that included over a dozen new (or returning) members. From that person by person question one new student said they had reservations and left the group the next day. Another who was a former member named Arrody left shortly after that for the same reason I read reported. One can think that too was conditioning but if anything the conditioning was to filter out those who weren’t clearly in favor of taking the action, the same kind of filtering that had occurred by many examples over the 19 years I witnessed that can be seen in this blog post:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/

I’m not proposing that the Jonestown event as a Luciferian facsimile attempt to discredit Ti and Do’s authenticity meant that the people in the Jonestown event were necessarily casualties or their their souls and/or Spirits were not kept by the Next Level because of their willingness to sacrifice their human lives in this world. I don’t say that without evidence from DO. For instance, after watching the murder of the David Koresh group, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas I recall DO saying that he wondered if his students would stick to their convictions the way they did, though not condoning those who used violence. To me that meant that some of those could have been seen by the Next Level as doing the best they could do. The point is, even if someone is murdered or kills themselves we don’t know how that Soul or Spirit will be judged by the Next Level. That judgement starts with the way each of us believe and act while living. We judge ourselves and then when it’s all done the Next Level salvages those they deem to still have the capacity to advance towards Next Level membership in a future opportunity. Like DO said as the 3rd Type of individual who would be “saved” from the recycling, they might have never heard of Ti and Do but separated from their worldliness in their own way. Do can be seen speaking of this in his video, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled” a video that was transcribed and found on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/

Here is the article that stimulated this blog post response:

Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate were supposed to be utopias. How did it go so wrong?
When a dream becomes dystopia. By Amos Barshad
https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/26/jonestown-and-heavens-gate-were-supposed-to-be-utopias-how-did-it-go-so-wrong

 

Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

October 20, 2017

Below is the access information for the Pineapple Street Podcast Series Heaven’s Gate and followed by Sawyers comments to each episode:

Pineapple Press Podcast Series – Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate
twitter: @heavensgateshow
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Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts. I am calling them both “tests” and a type of filter. Because they were tests, even though they weren’t always presented that way, if someone was “on the fence” with their full commitment, they served to face us with getting off that fence, one way or the other, leave the classroom or stay on and become stronger for doing so.

(By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them was part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions).

I’m starting from when the self stimulated exit was first brought up directly as there were times before that, when it surfaced indirectly that I’ll add later:

1) In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting, for me, as an overseer of one of the groups, was near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which is when the idea of self exiting our vehicles was first introduced. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to a very short distance away. I remember feeling exhausted and wondering why, but didn’t let that thought linger. I wasn’t conscious that I was responding negatively to what they were providing. It’s only looking back and recalling it that I remember that negative response. None the less, it was a minor negativity for me and I said nothing and I didn’t think poorly about Ti and Do or question being with them at all. It was mostly because I didn’t want to do the work of moving the tents again. So I don’t really count this as one of the tests in the list because it was small a test, yet who knows how others felt.

2) The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level – “eyes to see, ears to hear”. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point, indicated by his saying “almost without exception”:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

re: what Ti and Do always described as “body changes” is shown possible by Jesus’ example of healing and demonstrating his new body that came from the old one. Christians refer to Jesus body after he healed his body from it’s dead state as having a “glorified body.” Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke adds a key piece not found in either Matthew or Mark’s account, showing that these two “men” as Luke referred to Elias and Moses were delivering a message at least one of them understood. In other words this was when Jesus was given instructions to “lay his body down” of his own volition which could be equated with a type of suicide as he knew well the Jewish leadership hated him and had tried a number of times to stone him and were shown later to have conspired for a way to capture him and have the Romans kill him. While addressing this, here is where Jesus directly says he was going to die on his Father’s instruction and that the humans were not taking his life from him. He was laying it down as the show of the greatest love one could show another, in this case his students, the sheep given to him by his Father to shepherd?

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Continuing on with when he received that instruction while on the Transfiguration mount:

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today for some has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

3) How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

4) In about 1977, Ti and Do held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”.

TI told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

I already thought that’s what I was doing but I’d bet to some who were on the fence of being in this group it could have been a shocker.

5) The test TI said to DO felt like she “had egg on her face” because of – the planned exit via a spacecraft that didn’t happen

Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. I wasn’t privy to how that happened. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

6) Ti and Do gave us instructions to think about what we might want in the world.

Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom and compared it to being in a snake pit. The “process” instruction they’d given us from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that.

However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

7) The first of two weekend long optional visits to our human families

Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had “anxiety” about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

8) The second  optional weekend long visit to our human families

I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

9) Mrcody (known now as Mark, one of the two Heaven’s Gate webmasters) and Srfody (known now as Sara, the other Webmaster are instructed by Do through each of their students to leave the classroom until such time as they are ready to accept all the lesson steps

In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to instill the recognition that what our Older Members say is what we must rise up to recognize. Thus is was also a way of helping deflate our self confidence and instead put all our confidence in our Older Members.

It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by.

The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

10) In about 1987 DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated and asked some if they had a reservation with taking that act.

At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. A day or so later, DO then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

11) DO offers any classmember $2000.00 to leave

It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

More accusations against Sawyer’s blog, video’s, Revelations Book by Carlan aka Crlody

October 19, 2017

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Carlan’s next comment on same youtube channel as above:
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Why should anyone listen to you when the group left a lot of information behind that they very specifically asked to be disseminated? Answer, you had some dreams that you expect us to believe were contacts from the NL. No thanks, I’d rather go to the pure, undiluted source rather than listen to your PERSONAL take on what the class was about.

Why do you think that you are more qualified to talk about the lessons in the Class than Ti and Do are? Answer, according to you “we have all the information that we need”. So, to you what Do said on the tapes to the students from 1985 to 1997 is not information we need but by your actions your blog, videos and book are info we need. No thanks, I’d rather listsen to Do than to your diluted ramblings about the Next Level. Do knew what He was talking about far more than you ever will. Do made sense to me, He was coherent. Your 19 years are NOTHING compared to the wisdom of Ti and Do. You arent qualified to explain what the class was about. Why do you think They left all of that info? They didnt leave you behind. Youre here because you are afraid to follow Them out of here. But like Rio and the Kings youve had to make up a big mission for yourself that you claim is for the NL in order to justify staying here and you get enboldened by all the individuals who follow your blog and videos. Theres nothing brave about what youre doing and even though youve been conned into believing that what youre doing is for the NL youre actually doing all of this for yourself. You dont get to be the arbiter of all things Heavens Gate just because you spent more time in the class than anyone else on the planet. I hate this place. Its a corrupt cesspool that corrupts our souls every day. The class’ info is still being suppressed and distorted and no one seems to care. All you seem to care about is getting recognition for your 19 years in thd class and continuing to add to your blog and your youtube channel and marketing your book as if its some kind of addendum to the HG Book. Ill pass on your book and your videos. You cant help me get closer to the NL. Get over yourself sawyer.?

 

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Sawyer’s reply:
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I guess you can ask anyone who watches these broadcasts why they would listen to me. So you are putting words in my mouth again. I doubt anyone at all listens to me because I had dreams. I’m not talking about it because of dreams (though I admit without the first bunch, I may not have come out of my fallen condition (to the degree I had fallen)).

I encourage everyone all the time to go to the pure information from Ti and Do and Crew. But that doesn’t automatically mean I’m necessarily “diluting” the pure unless I try to reinterpret what they said or give my “feelings” of what they said and interject my opinions about what they said (without including something else they said). If I am diluting wouldn’t that be on a case by case basis? I’m not saying I never have and I’m not saying I never will and I am saying that I’m always open to hearing from anyone that can show me where I might have departed from what’s pure from Ti and Do (and from Jesus).

re: Jesus – I don’t know if you knew that Ti and Do said we could trust everything Jesus was recorded to have said in the 4 gospels. I remember reading or hearing DO on a tape talk about how some of that record has been tampered with, but he still knew that the core of his teachings were fully in tact. Ti and Do said, the Next Level worked very hard to insure that that record was not lost or changed. They spoke of that parts we could count on as the Red Letters, referring to the way some bible editions of the King James put Jesus words in red letters. (you can check this out. You might find it in the audios. But you could also ask Mark and Sarah or any others that were in the classroom in the earliest years to confirm.

I never said I was more qualified to talk about the lessons in the class than Ti and Do are. You are saying I think that. Are you claiming to be psychically reading me? The truth is that I just can’t help but talk about my experiences. Maybe I just need to do that. Let’s say it’s a big ego trip for me. I’m not saying it is, but you have said that about me so I’ve considered it. If so, that’s between me and Ti and DO. Why is what I do so wrong in your mind by your standard, whatever that is? Show me how Ti and Do would disapprove? You can’t so you just make stuff up or take tiny stabs at the way I word my blog titles and descriptions and anything that might even hint at what you have a preconceived idea exists to prove yourself right to yourself.

Because of your constant and repeated over years disdain of anything I say or do (with perhaps a few tiny exceptions) I’ve wondered at times what you think “Standing for Ti and Do” means? Did we have any examples from Ti and Do and Jesus of what taking that “Stand” means to them?

I don’t know if you have ever answered any of my questions that come about because of your comments over the last 10+ years.

All you do is repeat the same stuff that tells me what I’m thinking and saying and doing and why as if you are judge and jury and the almighty student of Ti and Do.

When I hear this I tend to think, I better speak more because I know 100% is true that the Luciferian space alien fallen angels and all the discarnates on their team (know it or not) and all the humans who become their tools to work against the truth of the Next Level, want nothing better than for those who have the direct experience to shut up or twist – dilute and distort the truth from Ti and Do (as with Jesus and with Moses, etc.) and/or turn them against the Next Level in every which way conceivable.

I should be doing more video’s and will because something good is coming from it. I’m not saying Ti and Do need me or anyone else to bring that about. I am sure about that. The task of “standing for Ti and Do” is available to all of us who remain after their exit. But the facts are that the Next Level is not done with this human kingdom. They by DO’s account know there are people who will be among the “Second Type” – those who recognize DO as from the Next Level and are attempting to separate from the world but who were not ready to exit when they did or are not today ready to exit in the way they did. And then there is the “Third type” Do spoke about as those who were separating from their humanness in their own way who may not ever hear about Ti and Do.

So even if all the things you have said about me were true, so what? Let’s say I get to be a big shot and get to be in a movie or play my flute in some big venue’s or get to go on TV shows, blah, blah, blah, if I’m not saying things Ti and Do would disapprove of, like saying the “gate is closed” which some have said directly and indirectly and more people are taking another look at Ti and Do or a first look, how can that be wrong. Even if I became equivalent to a Luciferian space alien fallen angel because of all that fame going to my head in some way, why is this such a thorn in your side that you have to keep saying the same stuff over and over and over with less and less evidence that most any it would be of any concern to Ti and Do?

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crl ody’s comment to youtube video:
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It is the King’s choice to suppress the tapes, not Ti and Do’s. Are Ti and Do going to interfere with Mark and Sarahs free will? If we have “more than enough” of their mind written then by that logic we dont need any more written about what Ti and Do were about. We dont need books from former students. We dont need blogs from former students. We dont need videos made by former students. Former students can only give limited and diluted and quite possibly incorrect info on what Ti and Do were about. Ive seen this happen time and time again. RKK always felt that he was unqualified to explain what Ti and Do were about, hence his only interest was in disseminating the info as per the Class’ final requests. No one on this planet is qualified to or sanctioned by Ti and Di to explain what They were about. We did not act on dreams we had in the Class. We did not receive our instructions from the NL in dreams. Do addresses this on one of the audio tapes. These are Sawyers videos. They are not made by Ti and Do. These are Sawyers viewpoints, not Ti and Dos.?

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Sawyers reply:
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Crl Ody and anyone who comes upon this:

-I never said nor implied it was Ti and Do’s choice to suppress the tapes.

However, I believe it was a “test” they gave to Mark and Sarah in particular, since DO gave them the CHOICE of how to handle them as evidenced in the letters. In the letter addressed to Mrc/Srf are the main 5 points that show what was left as their task to choose to do, how and when.

All the audio tapes were in the storage they are speaking of here as “items” (point #1) and “items of value” (point #2)) and it’s clear that anyone who felt inclined to disseminate their information. Note they didn’t say anywhere what the limits were to disseminating their information, nor how to do it ie. blogs, videos, audios, spoken word, books, meetings, etc. That was left up to each individual.

1) “We put into storage items that we would prefer the authorities not have access to. You can do with those items whatever feels right to you. The only exception to this is some exercise equipment which belongs to our landlord, Sam, and we suspect he will want at some point.”

2) “Pursers have included an additional document as part of this packet that further covers the disposition of our cars and this truck. So we ask that you refer to that document for details. It is our desire that any items of value that are retrievable by you be divided among those who feel inclined to disseminate our information. Any of the funds you retrieve can be used towards that end and for the living expenses of those involving themselves in this project.”

3) Referring to a CBC producer/director named Debbie Geller, who wanted them (the class) to participate in a documentary, who worked out of the New York office, they wrote,

“So, for this reason, we are recommending that they be involved to some degree in the coverage of this event, that is, if their attitude seems to remain somewhat objective and you find working with them not too difficult. Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about.”

4) “Also we want to make it clear that we’re certainly not asking you to do these tasks if, after receiving this information, circumstances make It too difficult or other options seem more appropriate for you. We want you to feel free to exercise any available options with whatever timing feels right for your own next step. No doors are closed to you.”

5) “We also asked OSC to register the Heaven’s Gate book with the Library of Congress and that if he needed any funds to accomplish this, that you would cover it out of the project funds that you have on hand.”

6) In the letter addressed to RKK where he received their “hopes” he could accomplish, i.e. the press release, updates to the web site and some people they had been in touch with):

“Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about”

Thus speaking on their behalf was part of what they hoped He and thus any who felt to participate in their “project” (that referred to after their exit) would do. It’s also interesting that there were detailed instructions on how to handle their video tape exit statements and the Beyond Human Video tape series masters, indicating their wish that they are to be distributed for the “widest coverage” but said nothing about the audio tapes in storage. (I think it wasn’t spelled out because it was meant to be a test for all involved then and thereafter)

Here is the link to my blog post that includes a bit more:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/08/08/do-and-crews-instructions-on-handling-storage-locker-content-provided-choices-and-thus-tests-for-all/

-I don’t know if Ti and Do would “interfere with Mark and Sarah’s free will. They interfered with the Luciferians free will when they wiped out the Nephilim (human hybrids translated to “giants” in Genesis chapter 6 written by Moses that Ti and Do said some of was distorted) they seeded, with the Great Noah Flood? Ti and Do indicated The Kingdom of God interfered with allowing the Luciferians to suppress what Jesus said, so we could count on the current record in the four gospels.

How can you be so sure they wouldn’t interfere with Mark and Sarah’s continued suppression of the remaining audio tapes?

At this moment in time, as far as I’m aware, since we don’t know of anyone who has claimed to have those audio tapes, I believe that as of this moment we don’t actually need any more of their Informational Mind to show them what we need to show them. As you know DO said their information wasn’t meant to become a subject of study. We need to serve them and there is plenty to do to serve them with the existing materials.

I continue to “Stand for Ti and Do” which includes the dissemination of Their “Mind”. No one on earth is my judge in that regard. Their Mind is revealed in all the documentation they left behind that I have plenty of evidence in their materials left behind for us, counts the “records” they often spoke about and I recall clearly they said was from their Kingdom that includes what they said was the “Red Letters” in the gospel record and the related parts, they and Jesus referred to in the Book of Revelations and potentially any of the records that show the same consistent teachings. In 88Update, Do even quoted Paul’s writings in 1Cor 7:29 and 1Cor 7:32-35 about celibacy and marriage while knowing that Paul’s writings brought about significant distortion and dilutions of the true information from Jesus.

-You said “Students can only give limited and diluted and quite possibly incorrect info on what Ti and Do were about”. I agree that that can happen and does happen but the key word in that statement that is not factual to Ti and Do’s teachings is saying that “students can ONLY give limited…” It seems to me that saying this shows how you have made your cause into an all or nothing way of thinking about this. Ti and Do hardly spoke in such absolutes unless they knew it, so how is it that you act like you “know it”.

As I’ve said many times, show me the errors of my ways by showing me how Ti and Do taught otherwise (to any degree) and I’ll pay attention to that piece. If you don’t provide that evidence it’s just your opinion so what makes it any better than mine? It may even be giving incorrect information to make that unfounded very general blanket accusation.

-And who are you speaking of as “we” in saying these forms of communication are not needed. Isn’t that an individuals choice to determine what they derive value from or not? And why is it that Ti and Do always wanted students to serve in the dissemination of their Next Level mind by writing and talking and even thinking – (the strains of humans could benefit from thoughts and behaviors and ways of their students, as they could also be hampered by them, though all can be made a positive of), as shown in the audio tapes we have access to.

Why are you trying to suppress the expression of the many connections of Ti and Do’s material to the “records” and what they said and did that they never recorded in the years before they started taping that those who were with them then heard and experienced?

-I agree that dreams are not a way to receive instructions or new information yet you keep repeating that as if I did say that.

Rkkody did write about the Next Level. There is the document, “what if they’re right” and the other I’m aware of was “During a brief window of time some may wish to follow us”.

Here is the later one with Rkkody interpreting what DO said. But before I provide it, maybe you can answer a question I have – who is “we” in this document? I only ask that in case it was you, NOT to criticize Rkkody. I am NOT saying I disagree with what he says here. Plus, why is it that you allowed yourself to be photographed holding Deb’s book “Closing the Gate”?:

“When Do said: “During a brief window of time, some may wish to follow us” we don’t feel
this is limited only to former class members and to the best of our knowledge He did not
assign anyone the task of announcing when that gate was closed. None of us are qualified to
determine how long this brief window exists.

When we have our Older Member with us, we are not assigned tasks by having a little voice
come into our heads saying “I think I have this task to do.” We learned very early not
to trust any thoughts that would come into our heads or listen to little voices telling us
we should do this or that. Ti and Do did not ask anyone to leave the class because They
felt an individual might have another Next Level mission outside of the classroom, however,
some were asked to separate from the class in order to work on their overcoming at a
distance.

Those who chose to leave the class, left entirely because they chose NOT to continue
serving their Older Member.

[Are we who left not serving our Older Member if we disseminate their information?]

We learned by experience that when an Older Member is present on the planet, any
communication from the Next Level is directed through Their representative. It is
considered very inappropriate to make suggestions to this Representative (Ti and Do), for
tasks we may want to do. If The Next level wanted us to do a task They would assign it
through our Older Member directly (verbally), not by mental telepathy or little voices in
our heads. We are not aware that Do assigned anyone the task of announcing when the “Brief
Window” is closed. No one can say with certainty that this “brief window” is closed.
Only an Older Member from the Next Level would be in a position to state when that gate is
closed. And we are not aware of any Older Members here now.”

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jason (crlody) comments on 3spm (sawyer’s youtube channel):

“Once we leave, then base your decisions using the criteria of the information we’ve left behind for you” DRR. “only through a REP, or information left behind by a REP, can an individual learn what it takes to become a new creature that is acceptable to enter the Kingdom of Heaven”-SMM.

“Any information that seems to come through that cant be helpful in the overcoming process might have earmarks of being separate or unnecessary information, and I don’t feel that our Father’s Kingdom sends unnecessary information. That’s what happens when questions come up that have relatively no significance, no real relationship to our overcoming. We can get into theorizing about things that might go on in the heavens that really have nothing to do with our overcoming. And we can play the game of exploring a little bit, but it opens the door to possibly listening to other voices or letting SELF come in, and/or playing the game of “what if” or guessing what it might be……We feel like it really isn’t important; it’s of no issue to your overcoming”-Do.

Hmmmm, sort of like speculating about Ceres and on and on. Fun little games but irrelevant as far as one’s overcoming. “If you can look at it in that light, and just simply be amused by it, because we’re not trying to lock in on what we’re doing with fulfillment of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation” Do.

So, when Do was here He didn’t care much about these kind of speculations but now that He’s gone the Next Level has tasked you, Sawyer, with interpreting Revelation in order to prove who Ti and Do are along with all the other speculations that you have engaged in. And I’m supposed to believe that all these things that you speculate on are part of a task for the Next Level? Your interpretations of Revelation and things that are happening on Ceres or anywhere in the heavens aren’t going to help anyone with their overcoming. And if they can’t help anyone with their overcoming then they have “no real significance”, they are “fun little games but irrelevant”. I think that sums up your self-appointed mission derived from your dreams quite well, it’s a fun little game that you’re playing Sawyer but it is irrelevant. And if it’s irrelevant I think it’s a pretty strong possibility that your mission wasn’t imparted to you by Ti and Do. And if your self-appointed task didn’t come from Ti and Do then where did it come from Sawyer??

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Sawyer’s reply:

CRL ODY and anyone who comes upon this:

I don’t know what you are trying to prove by Drrody and Smmody’s quotes. I do use as my critera the information left behind. Read and watch everything and see for yourself. It’s why I don’t post the myriad of things I come across that I can’t link in some way to things I observed and learned in the classroom which at this time includes everything Jesus said in the red letters and in his direct references to the Book of Revelations that Ti and Do also referenced parts of and never said couldn’t include all of it, though admittedly I can be off to degrees in some of what I think I understand. That’s part of what we are up against now. Millions think those scriptures mean this and that when I can see more of what they mean. The same with the many “SIGNS” in the heavens. Ti and Do introduced me to the SIGNS via paying attention to the way the Next Level delivered lessons during the solstices and equinox. In the 1990’s DO instigated our examination of preachers talking about prophecy. Srrody even started to teach himself to read Hebrew that DO instigated the option to do. What did that have to do with our “overcoming”. Everything, I say because DO instigated it. Ti and Do instigated the view of a Comet as a sign, not me, when they spoke about how comet kohoutek came to perihelion when their car broke down in St. Louis and they rented that car using one of DO’s old credit cards that resulted in their arrest later.

It was TI and DO that said their first 3 points of awakening were that they were from outer space, the Kingdom of Heaven, here to “bring updates to the bible” and to “fulfill prophecy”. They never listed all the updates to the bible. But they did assign Dncody the task of “rewriting the bible” as I understood it, though I never heard anything further about that until Dncody left.

And you will note I spent a great deal of time with the fact that the New Horizon’s spacecraft photographed Pluto with the teachings from Ti and Do that Pluto could have been a spacecraft Lab, so again not from my mind to think.

The Overcoming Classroom was not a time to spend hardly any time on prophecy or Jesus teachings or the Revelations so yes it was amusing to do. But now when there are millions who say they believe in Jesus yet refuse to look at his (The same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus) I believe is crucial to offering them that “look”. However, that’s not why I wrote a book about it. I wrote the book because I had to write the book and I don’t care that many hate me and it for doing so. I’m in good company for it, that I know. So go ahead carlan, get your beef off, shoot your arrows, join the thousands who do the same if that’s what so floats your boat. It’s your choice just like I’m making my choices. I wonder if you ever think about what Do might say today about what I’ve written? Do you ever consult with DO about what you write against me? I do think about what Do might say about the things I write to you and admit have to hold the way the influences would have me use my tongue.

Are you against people seeing more about Ti and Do because they had a sense about things Jesus said and his prophecies and the signs of the times? Some have told me that’s what brought them to looking at Ti and Do, so nothing you can say will stop me from continuing. I will stop when Ti and Do decide it’s enough and I’m no longer capable or exit this vehicle by whatever means.

My whole book is full of these kinds of observations linking things (Signs) Ti and Do and/or Jesus said a tiny bit about that I ended up seeing as interpretations of the Revelations and Jesus gospel teachings so your finding fault with my efforts is once again far astray.

But even so, at the very least you can write me off as “playing the game of exploring a little bit,” as Do indicated was okay, didn’t he. He didn’t say it was wrong to do did he? He didn’t give instruction to those who might believe and want to serve after His overcoming classroom had finished, what they could be interested in exploring, did he? He did give instructions on what the formula was and he put it into Three types with the overall formula being stated by Jwnody in ‘”Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure’: that is summed up as the overriding qualification being to “Stand for Ti and Do” until we exit.

I know what that means and it’s hardly a static sending files to people or talking on video’s or writing blogs but that time of test of each one of us is only just beginning, I assure you.

Many people can see right through your making absolute statements about what will help anyone with their overcoming. That’s evidence of the same self righteous indignation as we see throughout the religions that you never saw out of Ti or Do’s mouth yet you use it as a mockery of me.

I try to discern between those “other voices” Do might be referring to. I’ve heard a bunch. Sometimes I can be off track in that regard, I know and sure I can let SELF come in and I know well how “what if” can distract from accepting the truth and we can make up excuses for anything but doing the tasks we’ve been given to “STAND for TI and DO” is the overriding task at this time is it not.

By the way, if you are going to quote DO then I think it would be DISTORTING what he said to capitalize a word that wasn’t capitalized in the original document. I know I have “SELF”, don’t you? Who are you working for to spend all this time and energy with nothing to say but draw straws that might be construed as criticism of me with the hope for what – to get me to stop talking about Ti and Do and MY relationship with them?

To follow is the segment CRL ODY was partially quoting from Beyond Human, Session 7, which brings a better context as well as there were many instances in the classroom to be heard in the audio tapes, even on the Blackhawk tapes where DO did explore certain subjects stimulated by classmates questions and sometimes He or Ti would say it’s not important to our task. It is quite clear that the “classroom” with the Older Members has passed and now it’s in a different phase. We don’t have instructions on what to eat and what not to eat, what kind of things we find pleasure in, what kind of out of craft tasks to seek, what kind things to study or research or inquire about. But that doesn’t mean Ti and Do want us to stop our seeking of the truth through any avenues we choose.

Here’s Do’s statement:

“There’s so much that I can’t understand from where I sit, because even playing the role of teacher and a vessel with students and potentially with more students, relatively very little information is funneled through that Teacher role. Because only the information that is funneled can be helpful. Any information that seems to come through that can’t be helpful in the overcoming process might have earmarks of being separate or unnecessary information, and I don’t feel that our Father’s Kingdom sends unnecessary information. That’s what happens when questions come up that have relatively no significance, no real relationship to our overcoming. We can get into theorizing about things that might go on in the heavens that really have nothing to do with our overcoming. And we can play the game of exploring a little bit, but it opens the door to possibly listening to other voices or letting self come in, and/or playing the game of “what if” or guessing what it might be. I know that at times we, Ti and I, have guessed. When we do guess at questions that the students might ask, we try to say, “We don’t know. We’re guessing. It hasn’t been clarified to us.” And ultimately, after discussing it for a moment, we usually say, “We feel like it really isn’t important; it’s of no issue here to your overcoming.” What is shared is so limited – we know so little of that Kingdom.”

Jesus was also in the teaching role so to examine what he said to “observe” in his coming, which Ti and Do talked about as coming after they left, is part of that, though that coming was not a “teaching task” incarnate as they had. They said that in the document that was printed in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary. Here is a link to little parts of it I transcribed so you can see I didn’t make it up and am not “guessing” about it either or listening to other voices.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

I only answer you, so your voice is not left unchecked in this public square, the same as I do with all the trolls and mockers and judgemental scoffers. You are most often making “false accusations” against your neighbor (me), but I guess you don’t know any better so I’m not angry with you. You appear to hold yourself as the only former member who is righteous. You had no forgiveness for XF, nor me for the few things I have admitted not being proud of saying. (That’s not saying I think a lot of what I say is of value necessarily). Even though it’s easy to point out things Mark and Sarah and Rio have said as not from Ti and Do’s mind or the opposite, you resorted to name calling and condemnation of them when you have no right in Ti and Do’s mind to do so.

Bring specific things up to me and I’ll address them one by one. If you don’t agree then at least you’ve offered me something. These quotes from DO are welcomed but so far are hard to see as applying to now in the exact same way they applied to the classroom.

Do spoke of Armageddon. The only place that’s mentioned is in the Revelations. He spoke of how the Next Level would come back (after his exit). He spoke about the way the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens would be creating their last ditch effort to capture souls. He spoke about the most accurate meaning of rapture. He spoke about the Revelation 12 woman, but that one you may not know about and lots more so I’m following in excellent footsteps even though I am perhaps doing a poor job.

Another set of accusations against sawyer by crlody that are totally false and why:

http://www.sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2018/03/01/rkkodys-standing-for-ti-and-do-and-sawyers-reply-to-more-crlody-accusations/