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Critique of Daily Mail article 12-15-2019

December 20, 2019
Here is an article that seems to be something reconfigured from the past to which I have followed with my commentary as there are many things said that are misleading and even outright wrong, so read them with a grain of salt until you read what I have to say about it, if you want to get a more objective picture of what’s true. To go right to what I wrote search for Sawyer:
Ex-Heaven‘s Gate members still ‘connect‘ with 39 victims
https://stockdailydish.com/ex-heavens-gate-members-still-connect-with-39-victims/
Posted by SDD Contributor on December 15, 2019 at 9:26 am
EXCLUSIVE – ‘We still connect to the Next Level‘: Surviving members of Heaven‘s Gate cult say they are in with 39 victims of mass-suicide who all believed they‘d be ‘transported to a higher level in a spaceship‘ 20 years ago.
When first responders answered a 911 call to an upmarket suburban California home on March 26, 1997, they could never have expected the shocking scene that awaited them: 39 bodies, carefully arranged, laid out under purple sheets, each person’s feet bedecked with trendy black Nike sneakers.
The unforgettable crime scene images would soon be seared into the public consciousness as it emerged that the deaths were the result of a mass suicide by a cult known as Heaven’s Gate – who believed they were travelling by space ship to a higher level. Videos recorded by wide-eyed leader Marshall Applewhite, 65, are still instantly recognizable 20 years later – as academics, the public and authorities still wonder about the largest mass suicide on US soil.
The website for the group, which ran a web design company, remains active to this day, maintained by two surviving members who provide information to people curious about the Heaven’s Gate beliefs – although they insist, as the 20th anniversary of the deaths approaches Sunday, that the group does not persist.
‘The Group came to an end in March, 1997,’ they wrote in an email to DailyMail. ‘There is nothing to join but the information is timeless.’
When asked whether they were still connected to or in with their deceased former comrades, however, they said: ‘Yes, we are still connected to the Next Level, when they are’ – without elaborating.
The website masters are reportedly a couple who left to get married, which was against Heaven’s Gate rules, but retained their association – and shared beliefs – with the group, even allegedly fighting to take possession of the items the late members left behind. They refused to confirm this information to DailyMail or divulge any other personal details. They did, however, say that they look forward to being reunited on another ‘level’ with the members who departed this world in 1997.
‘We hope to have the opportunity sometimes in the future but we do not know when that will happen,’ they told DailyMail. ‘Probably in our next reincarnation on this planet.
‘The simple understanding is that there is a real, physical level above the humans one here on earth. It is not a spiritual existence. It is real individuals, in real bodies, in real crafts taking care of the issues of their planet. The Next Level, as it is called, created this planet and all the life on it. The Next Level are the care takers of not only this planet but all the systems of the universe.
‘From that, all the other understandings follow. They periodically come down to this planet to check in on this civilizations development. The last time they took a very close up observation, in human form, was from about 1972 to 1997. The time before that was 2000 years ago. At those times they talk to those interested about the opportunity of the Next Level and how a very select few can enter into it only after a long period of transition and instruction.’
And while the cult’s unorthodox belief system and mass suicide shocked the world in 1997, it had been decades in the making.
The cult first began when Applewhite, a divorced father-of-two and son of a preacher who had tried his hand at everything from acting to running a deli, met nurse and middle-aged mother-of-four Bonnie Nettles in Houston in the early 1970s. They shared an immediate bond over their mutual interest in both biblical theology and the occult, and they began cobbling together their own belief system – eventually deciding that they were the ‘two witnesses’ mentioned in the Book of Revelation. They believed they were prophets for a God who was really an advanced extraterrestrial, that individuals could advance to an evolutionary level above human, and that the world would one day be ‘recycled.’ The pair believed that Jesus had been sent on a similar mission by this same celestial being.
On New Year’s Day, 1973, they set off across the country to share their beliefs and eventually garner hundreds of followers from across a vast socioeconomic and geographic spectrum. They left their former lives behind, including their respective children; during their initial travels, they ran out of money and would stop at blood banks for cash or routinely skip out on bills. At one point, Applewhite spent six months in jail in Missouri for auto theft after renting a car and simply driving off with it – before Do and Ti eventually disavowed stealing.
They distributed fliers and even took out newspaper ads as they continued their cross-country proselytizing mission, picking up followers along the way. The group would shift in name, belief system and number over the years, but always under the leadership of Applewhite and Nettles, who called themselves Pig and Guinea, Bo and Peep and, most famously, Do and Ti – in a fantastically close, platonic relationship. At one recruitment meeting in Los Angeles, they reportedly said: ‘We are The Two prophesied in Revelation. God has sent us here as an experiment, so you might call us Guinea and Pig.’
Members were kept to strict regiments as the group moved across the country, sometimes living at campsites, other times renting houses with funds often taken from a follower’s trust fund. Anyone joining was required to leave behind family, friends and possessions (although the trust fund made the cut) and to abstain from sex, drugs and other worldly pleasures; by the time of his death, Applewhite and several other male members had been voluntarily castrated. Everything was regulated, from their communal clothes – including underwear – to the length of their bathing time (six minutes using one gallon of water) to the size of their pancakes. They were allowed to work regular jobs in their areas of specialties outside the commune, however, generating more funds for the cult – and at the time of the suicides ran a computer company.
Applewhite and Nettles believed they would be killed for their beliefs and rise again three and a half days later in a ‘cloud’ or UFO, after which the world would be destroyed.
The group was never targeted or threatened by the government or anyone else, however, skewing their predictions of achieving resurrection through murder. Nettles instead died from cancer in 1985, again shaking the core belief system. Applewhite altered his ideas and came up with a new revelation after astronomers sighted the Hale-Bopp comet and, in November 1996, a photo emerged which appeared to show an object trailing in its wake. Applewhite announced this was a spaceship which would pick up the remaining followers if they cast aside their earthly bodies.
At the mansion the group then shared in Rancho Santa Fe, California, a suicide pact was formed.
Over three days, the members consumed a mixture of vodka and phenobarbital poison with pudding or apple sauce, then tied plastic bags over their heads. Each was dressed in black shirts and sweat pants, brand new black-and-white Nike Decade sneakers and armbands reading ‘Heaven’s Gate Away Team.’ The bodies all had a five dollar bill and three quarters in their pockets along with packed luggage at their sides.
As each shift of followers died, the remaining members removed the plastic bags and arranged the bodies before taking their own lives. The final death shift consisted of two members, left with no one to remove the bags or neatly array the bodies.
The victims ranged in age from 26 to 72. Some had been in the group for 22 years; others had left and come back when their outside world lives hit speed bumps or they simply continued to feel the Heaven’s Gate pull; others had been members for just a few years. Some were parents who, like Applewhite and Nettles, had left behind their children. Some members were dreamers and drifters, while the occupations of others ranged from bus driver to ex-paratrooper to paralegal to journalist.
They were discovered by another Heaven’s Gate member, Rio Di Angelo, who had planned to be the 40th body discovered in the mass suicide – right up until a few weeks beforehand, when he claims to have woken up with a feeling that he had something yet to do on Earth. So he left with the Applewhite’s blessing, he said, and after the suicides received a package with a videotapes and a map to the home where he would find them. He got a ride to Rancho Santa Fe, went inside and then alerted authorities.
The group had planned meticulously before they ingested the fatal concoction, making ‘exit’ videos explaining why they were making the decision – as well as preparing a press release for the media.
‘By the time you receive this, we’ll be gone – several dozen of us,’ it read. ‘We came from the Level Above Human in distant space and we have now exited the bodies that we were wearing for our earthly task, to return to the world from whence we came – task completed. The distant space we refer to is what your religious literature would call the Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom of God.
‘We came for the purpose of offering a doorway to the Kingdom of God at the end of this civilization, the end of this age, the end of this millennium. We came from that Level, that time, that space, and entered this one. And in so doing, we had to enter human bodies – which we did, for the most part, in the mid-seventies.
‘Now it was time for us to leave those bodies (vehicles) – bodies that we borrowed for the time we were here (by previous arrangement) for this specific task. The task was not only to bring in information about that Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human, but to give us the experience of working against the forces of what the human evolutionary level, at this time, has become. And while it was a good learning experience for us, it also gave all who ever received knowledge from that Kingdom an opportunity to recognize us and this information, and to even move out of the human level and into the Next Level or the Next Evolutionary Level, the “Kingdom of Heaven,” the Kingdom of God.
‘The Kingdom of God, the Level Above Human, is a physical world, where they inhabit physical bodies. However, those bodies are merely containers, suits of clothes – the true identity (of the individual) is the soul or mind/spirit residing in that ‘vehicle’. The body is merely a tool for that individual’s use – when it wears out, he is issued a new one.
‘No one can enter the Kingdom of Heaven by trying to live a good life in this world, and then, thinking that when this world’s life takes your body, you get to “go to heaven.” The only time that Next Kingdom can be entered is when there is a Member or Members of that Kingdom who have come into the human kingdom, incarnated as we have, offering clarification of that information.’
The website maintainers told DailyMail that they had been in the group for 12 years and ‘joined immediately after attending a meeting that Ti & Do held. Their truth was undeniable.’
They said interest continues in the group’s complicated belief system mixing traditional theology with its sci-fi-esque tenets.
‘We get an average of about 10-12 emails a day,’ they said. ‘They come from all over the world. We sell several books a year and give away about 40 or so free VHS tape sets. There is no dominate geographic area. More tapes and books go out domestically because of the cost of shipping internationally. The demos on this are very diverse.’
Survivor Rio Di Angelo, who was selected to discover the Heaven’s Gate bodies, also continues to espouse the group’s beliefs and remains in occasional with the website moderators, they say. To coincide with the tenth anniversary of the suicides in 1997, he released a statement, insisting: ‘I’m glad to be alive and planning to stay that way. I have a wonderful life with purpose. I am alive NOT because I rejected anything about Heaven’s Gate. I am alive because I have discovered something so extraordinarily important to the world that it needs to be passed on to you in its most true and accurate form from ME.’
He went on to explain the tenets of Heaven’s Gate, saying: ‘When there is a Representative from the Level Above Human (Heaven) here on Earth, you will be drawn to Him and His mission. You then will be taught the final lessons in a type of finishing school. These important lessons enable you to know how to create a Soul. A Soul is different than a Spirit. A human Spirit is Earth bond only. A Soul is “you” conscientiously choosing to evolve into a new creature that has the non-human ingredient needed for transition into the Level Above Human.
‘That Representative becomes your teacher and is the only one who can usher you into the higher level of existence. He knows how because He’s done it before.
‘This is my understanding of the mission that Jesus started. This is why He was here and said he would return.’
Confirming his three-year membership in Heaven’s Gate, he said: ‘I know everything worth knowing about them and I can say with absolute, undeniable certainty, that Heaven’s Gate was indeed “The Second Coming of Jesus.”’
He said: ‘I am against suicide and so was the group. What happened to Heaven’s Gate was an “EXIT,” “The end of the Spirit reincarnation process and the beginning of life as a Soul in the Level Above Human.”
‘They “EXITED” their bodies (vehicles) and are now with their Guide and Teacher in the Spirit world (the Valley of the Shadow of Death) helping mis-guided Spirits before their ascension.
‘I am here to bring you the truth and to clarify information for you to examine. Also, to help with understanding the next steps, after the “Second Coming,” if that is your choice. I am not here to convince you to do anything or to believe any of this. If it speaks to you, use it. If not, go on.’
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Sawyer’s critique:
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These are my corrections and additional explanations to this article.
1) There are no “surviving members of the Heaven’s Gate cult.” There are only former student members like myself and others and like these two webmasters who are managing the web site. All former members are dropouts who failed to make the steep qualifying grade to have remained in the group, though at the time we each left the group, whether voluntarily or not, because these two were dismissed because they didn’t want to follow the instructions and lesson step that was labeled “I could be wrong” that was designed to eliminate one’s dependence upon self by recognizing that wherever a decision needs to be made, one’s opinion might be wrong, relative to what the teachers TI and DO would choose to do.
This is a lesson to learn because working in a crew on a physical spacecraft laboratory of different kinds and sizes, with some as large as planets, Next Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human Members are crew minded and they love it (just like many humans love being part of a great team). DO described the crews as being like a Star Trek crew minus human behaviors and ways, thus no sexuality as they don’t procreate (nor die) nor are there gender roles or comparisons because they have no gender. They have outgrown gender and sexuality both in their Mind and in any kind of identity with the human physical vehicles they took over while a student working towards Next Level Membership. Ti and Do referred to a human vehicles sexual and/or gender identifications as “plumbing.”
This stating of “I could be wrong” designed to use a phrase like that in front of or behind or in the middle of any statement of opinion was the lesson step mechanism that by exercising was overriding the vehicles self confidence in it’s opinion and that lesson step was not something these webmasters wanted to abide by so DO had each of the student in the group at that time express to these two that they were being dismissed from the classroom until such time that they wanted to abide by that lesson step, when they could return. Their choice to not abide by it was not any worse relative to those Classroom teachings as my choice to not accept DO’s help because of the way I gave into sexuality with myself that I wasn’t conquering to the degree I needed to, to qualify to graduate into the Next Level. Each dropout had their own lesson step they didn’t choose to work on at the time they were in the classroom. The only difference between these two webmasters and some others was that they didn’t directly choose to leave the classroom where I did and others did over the years. (However, there were 19 students who Ti and Do sent out of the larger classroom unit that numbered at the time about 100 students, which happened in the fall of 1976. Some of those found the Classroom again in the early 1980’s by seemingly coincidental circumstances, so rejoined then).
Since these Two still believed in TI and DO as their Older Members from the Next Level, but didn’t want to rejoin when they were given the option in 1994 that I witnessed, when DO was ready to leave he asked them if they wanted to do some tasks for them. They didn’t know at the time what they were planning. I did know of the planned exit, as DO brought up the premise of taking it upon ourselves to exit our vehicles (by our own hand) directly in late August of 1994 after we finished about 9 months of public meetings across the U.S., after having increased our numbers by almost double the 24 members we were down to by mid 1993. (However some left after that so the numbers ended up at 38 students plus 4 who laid down their vehicles lives in the year or two after the large body of student did with DO in March of 1997.
Yes it was the Souls of the vehicles who upon completion of their task of overcoming the behaviors and ways of the human kingdom – aka taking full control over the vehicles they had a hand in choosing from the vehicles birth that would be taken on board a spacecraft that was close on hand. However, they all preferred for it to go a different way, they said which is why they packed bags for travel and had a tiny bit of money on each of their possession in case TI (DO’s Older Member, aka DO’s Heavenly Father in religious terms) chose to take them with their human vehicles, like in case TI wanted them to do a task somewhere else on earth that required having a human vehicle. DO didn’t know what other usage TI would have for their human vehicles since it’s the Soul that graduates into Next Level Membership. Ti and Do had taught years before, even in the late 1970’s that another way they might exit the task is by the Next Level taking our human vehicles and putting them on a table on a spacecraft next to the new Next Level dense physical vehicle they were going to be awarded for their efforts so the Soul could be moved into the new vehicle. By the way the New physical vehicle would not be one made of human like flesh. It would be grown on a vine to adulthood (as there are no children vehicles in the Next Level). Another way they talked about exiting our vehicles could have been by their being killed by humans who hated them for what they were teaching, like an irate Christian who could see them as antichrist, though they would be totally wrong as what Ti and Do taught and did was 100% in line with everything Jesus taught.
Jesus instructed his closest students that they must lay down their vehicles lives while in service to Him and His Older Member (Heavenly Father) He was operating as One with, though his Older Member (named TI this time) was a different person. He described their doing so in the same way He was demonstrating by telling the truth about the Next Level’s reality to those who didn’t want to hear the updates who as they hated Him would also hate them for speaking.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Here Jesus was talking in such a way that today if heard people would say he was promoting suicide. Humans think that humans killed Jesus and they did but only killed his human vehicle and weren’t able to kill his Soul that then healed the vehicle enough to demonstrate that it wasn’t a spirit his students saw. TI said that it was characteristic for a Member of the Next Level (Soul) to heal a human vehicle that became damaged in 3 1/2 human days if that’s the task they had to do. TI didn’t have that task as TI knew from the beginning that she was here to get DO started and then would go back. When TI would tell him this in their early years together he wondered what she meant by going back. They at first thought they would go back together. DO said he couldn’t imagine TI was meaning she would go back to be with her human family again. So at the time he put that idea on the back burner. When her vehicle died and TI didn’t try to heal it DO knew then what she was referring to – her return to her Next Level station on a spacecraft to oversee the completion of the task DO was to finish without his Older Member’s physical presence. TI’s exit is demonstrated in Revelation 12 as DO told us the Woman was TI and as is described about TI’s exit would occur by the “earth opening it’s mouth,” an old expression for going into the grave/dying.
So DO was preparing for whatever option Ti chose to take and as we know that ended up being allowing them to go through that difficult step of laying down their vehicles to the vehicles death – all knowing that they were not their vehicles, knowing because of previous experiences of those Souls that were with Jesus (DO’s previous incarnate task) that the death of the human vehicle was not the death of the Soul. To humans without that experience it seemed like they were committing suicide but to them suicide would have been to not go with the instructions DO received from TI on how to exit when the time was determined to do so. DO and Crew wrote that They taught that for a human to kill their own vehicle is much different as humans as well as TI and DO’s classroom members needed their human vehicles to learn lessons through but that they were done with their lessons.
They wrote that for a human to commit suicide was wrong, a waste because they didn’t want to deal with hard lessons would be short circuiting their progress towards graduating into the Next Level at a future time. It doesn’t mean that someone in the human kingdom who commits suicide does not get saved for another lesson time, but by committing suicide they flunked out learning all the lessons they needed to learn.
2) Saying ‘We still connect to the Next Level’ if that’s all they said about it, is misleading. There is no direct connect. At best it’s like picking up the telephone and knowing Their address/phone number – in this case, the distant deep space “heavens” and knowing who they are trying to contact – TI and DO, and leaving a “voicemail” asking a question or asking for strength to conquer an addiction or asking to learn the truth about something or asking how to be of greater service and then hanging up and then putting out a repeated effort to discover/identify answers to those questions that mostly will come through what are seen as normal human channels, like in the news or from people we know or don’t know, or by having an ideas of something to do or try that might yield answers. Answers would never be something that would harm ourselves or anyone else in any way to do but will always be things to do that are reversible and even be things that may show us that we asked the wrong question or could show us that what we were asking for is not really what we want and/or need. When They respond to us, we can have a sense of their reply through these ordinary channels but we won’t be certain it’s Them responding. There won’t be voices in one’s head telling us to do or not do something though one can have a feeling in that regard. I believe it is possible when asking to get a sense of an answer right away.
This is also applicable to anyone. Jesus taught it as the Lords Prayer, meant to be an outline of how to talk to the Next Level (Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the literal heavens). It was meant to be a private petition for help in some way not to be made into group prayers that just bolster people’s sense of being holy in appearances.
Now if someone doesn’t know the “address” (deep outer space) or to whom they are seeking an answer from, as Jesus instructed directing our petition to “our Father in the heavens” there are any number of spirits – discarnate – deceased human minds that love to step in to be someones’ “god” or “jesus” because they died believing they were in that role to other humans as intercessors so they continue to try to operate in that way in the discarnate condition. That’s why we hear of people saying Jesus or God told me to do it, even some horrible harming of another human being. An answer would never be inconstant with the behaviors and ways taught by the Next Level through their incarnate servants over the millennium, mostly through Moses and Jesus in this current civilization but potentially through a different part of the experiment as seen in Hinduism and/or Buddhism for example.
3) It was a purple shawl draped over each of the deceased vehicles of those Students not a sheet. That event was about the only time over my experience of being with them for 19 years that symbolism was used in that direct kind of way for the sake of those who would discover their vehicles. They didn’t spell out what the various symbolism was in the use of the Nike (slogan: Just DO It) sneakers. By the way the word “nike” in the New Testament Greek, means, “to overcome, conquer, gain victory over” the human kingdom “world” as Jesus taught was required for everyone who was to experience a “Spirit/Mind Birth” which is what I believe we all were witnessing happening.
4) It’s a misguided opinion without evidence for the writer of this article to say it was a “crime scene”. The San Diego Chief of police and the coroners office both said there was no evidence of fowl play. It’s was eerie for them but peaceful and they left a number of statements and video footage “exit video’s” where most all of the student members of the group said something about what they were about to do and how it was joyous to do so (as hard as that is for many to  accept, I can attest that they were telling the truth about the way they felt and how DO carefully spent years making sure each student was fully cognizant of what they were doing. There was no coercion, no pressure, no guilting, no carrot held before them (in a way that was a lure). In fact it was contrary to that. It was hard to stay in the group though not because the difficulty was that apparent, except for those that had doubts they didn’t choose to combat. There is a great deal to say about this, some of which is outlined in my blog post:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/
5) The “higher level” was described by TI and DO as The Evolutionary Level Above Human, The Kingdom Level Above Human and in short The Next Level. It was compared to the human evolutionary level scientifically (physically and mentally) with the way there is on earth a Mineral Kingdom, Plant Kingdom, Animal Kingdom and Human Kingdom to where the Human Kingdom was not the end of “evolution” (not Darwinian evolution). They taught that the human kingdom was designed to be a “stepping stone” into membership in the Next Level. They described the Next Level as physical and many membered but not as many members as in the human kingdom. They said their numbers were in the thousands. Members are actually graduate Souls. A Soul is a container that is of a plasma like physical consistency (unlike a Spirit that is etheric – a frequency construct). Souls are deposited into selected human vehicles that were picked to be a match for a returning Soul’s lesson requirements to qualify to graduate the human kingdom. There are different types of souls and all souls that are deposited don’t survive the process to graduate. One type of Soul is deposited in selected human vehicles who are going to host a returning Soul that had grown some in a previous incarnation while with an incarnate Older Member like Moses and/or Jesus, while another type of soul is deposited for a first timer entering the program during the time when one or more Older Members is in the flesh (incarnate).
There are humans right now, following the 1997 exit who have received Souls, perhaps even one of either type who are able to take their next step towards graduation that wouldn’t take the shape of laying down their human vehicles by their own hand because the Older Member isn’t physically present anymore to know whether that is right for them to do. That’s why Suicide isn’t supported by the Next Level as we need to have our human vehicles to proceed with our overcoming lesson steps that are right for us now. Suicide for us would be not taking advantage of the opportunity to learn difficult lessons while in the human kingdom. No matter how someone dies their spirit and/or soul is judged by the Next Level as to when and where their next opportunity to graduate will be. Next Level Members are very fair but it’s never a human vehicle that graduates into Next Level membership. It’s always the Soul that graduates. Upon entrance into Next Level membership, each graduate is awarded a newly grown dense physical vehicle (not dense like human flesh is dense) that is grown on a vine (like a plant) to maturity. There are no children vehicles in the Next Level though there are Older and Younger Members. Time is not the determination of Old or Young. Experience is what defines an Older or Younger Member. Members don’t wear their experience like humans do, like in the military with hash marks and ranks but Members can recognize an Older Member among them as it’s a quality of Mind they feel. I can relate to that in what I felt from TI and DO. It wasn’t what they said that identified them to me as Above and Beyond Human (though that was part of the conscious recognition). I subconsciously felt their Above Human Stature. That can be explained as the Soul having both been helped to have that recognition and/or having gained that recognition from a previous lifetime of experience with an incarnate Older Member. Souls come with a “chip of recognition” (like a computer chip that has certain programs that provide a certain amount of identification of what is true – what makes sense that another human may not have or may not have awakened to yet but that anyone who wants to have it can be given if they ask for it, so no one is left out from growing towards Next Level Membership).
6) Some media have reported that the ones running the Heavensgate website were “surviving members” but that was an erroneous way of describing them. To be a surviving member means they would have left the human kingdom with the 39. Those left behind by their own choices (including me) are not necessarily going to survive the recycling. TI did say that all [Souls] who came back with them would return to the Next Level’s keeping to have another opportunity to be in a human or human equivalent kingdom to finish their overcoming process. That might take the shape of being “saved” “on ice” DO called it, though said that wasn’t literal ice. It’s true there is no group anymore though there are new believers who DO left instructions for how to grow further with the overall requirement to be “saved” from the upcoming recycling being:
“In order to get saved for further planting, the overriding requirement is to recognize that this is true (these are the facts).  You must believe that we represent the Kingdom that created this planet and all of its inhabitants.  And you must be willing to take a stand in defense of that belief, and sustain that stand until the end – your departure – regardless of the consequences.”
This is not the complete formula to qualify for graduation into significant or elementary service in the Next Level after a student’s vehicle dies. That formula is stated as:
“The formula is the same now as it always has been.  To begin a metamorphosis in order to be born into the Next World, you must abandon everything of this world (just as the caterpillar about to become a butterfly must do).  You must separate and begin to wean yourself of all mammalian ways – ties and addictions – replacing them with the ways and behavior of a more advanced and refined level of life.  You cannot do it by yourself.  You must seek, to the best of your ability, the guidance of a Representative who is a member of that kingdom, who has been through the metamorphic process at a previous time, and who has been sent with the specific task of midwifing newborns.  Or, at very least, you attempt to connect with an active “student” of a present Representative.  This is an extremely rare opportunity, as we approach the End of the Age.  There is a tiny remnant left of a window for catching the eye of the “caretakers of this world.”
(These quotes came from the Heaven’s Gate Book, ‘How and When “Heaven’s Gate” (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered’ in the document entitled, “”Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure” written on TI and DO’s behalf by the elder student named Jwnody (June-ody)).
7) The two webmasters are not saying enough in my opinion to more accurately portray the Next Level Members relationship to Their planet earth experiment for growing Souls upon by saying; “They periodically come down to this planet to check in on this civilizations development.” The truth is that the Next Level is constantly working with the humans on their planet though only periodically send their Older Members and Crew to incarnate to help move a Class to it’s next lesson steps. When Representatives come they don’t just talk to those who are interested. They prepare individuals (Souls and vehicles) to recognize the Older Member by His words and vibration so they can move forward a step towards a graduation. They are very busy the whole time. There is nothing casual about it as they seemed to imply by saying they “check in”, It’s a major project.
Yes “few” are selected but many are called (said Jesus) but the time period of receiving instructions isn’t automatically assumed to be long as the Next Level never holds anyone back (as humans do one another) so some can grow very quickly.
In the current civilization this took the shape of three trimester periods starting the first trimester (before that was the prep time for the first trimester) during the time recorded as Moses and the Children of Israel (the Overcomers).
The second trimester was when the graduation formula was laid out by Jesus – separating from human family and giving all one’s Mind, Heart, Soul and Strength to the Next Level through the most currently incarnate (present) Older Member, in our case now to DO (who TI instructed students to make our commitment to, as she said she came to help get him started).
8) DO said that the only thing He and TI had in common at first when they met was a “love for their Heavenly Father”. They didn’t then go about “cobbling together their own belief system” – ideas came to them individually but at the same time that when they compared notes on those ideas they matched.
At first in 1973 they each realized they (Their Minds) each came from The Evolutionary Level Above Human, a physical many membered kingdom (in the records described as The Kingdom of God in the literal heavens (outer space)), and were here on earth to take over the human vehicles prepared for Them to, “bring updates to the Bible” and to “fulfill prophecy”. It was months later through seeking and searching that they recognized the prophecies they were to fulfill were outlined in the Book of Revelation, chapter 11 having to do with the Two Witnesses.  Ti originated the short phrase of “Next Level” because for humans it was their next step in evolution (not Darwinian) by their efforts to abide by all the Older Members taught and demonstrated in Next Level behaviors and ways.
Years after having a classroom DO told us that TI was the “woman” in Revelation chapter 12. Other than that they didn’t teach from the bible at all though would occasionally mention something Jesus or Moses taught. They said we could trust the records of what Jesus said in the four “gospel” accounts because a Next Level Crew worked very hard to make sure his words were still accurate for our benefit.
TI told us that DO was the same Soul who performed the tasks of: Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus.
TI and DO taught that every Member of the Next Level was a “God” relative to humans because the Kingdom of God was a kingdom level above human with the comparison of the relationship of a dog to a human – a kingdom level of differences. Jesus described this same idea saying that among humans John the Baptist was the greatest human but that the youngest member of the Kingdom of God was above him. (I surmise that the Soul in the vehicle named John the Baptist had not yet graduated into adult membership in the Next Level before that time but was more experienced than any of the other of his students so was given a different task from the others appropriate to his needed growth).
TI and DO did say that the most experienced Member of the Next Level was the “Chief of Chiefs” but that we wouldn’t begin to understand more about where he came from until we were in the Next Level because the human brain wasn’t capable of understanding that. DO said that TI was Chief Administrator of the Earth project which they called an “astronaut training program” for Souls. (Souls are physical containers, DO at first called a “pillow case” or a “pocket” and then in 1994 compared it’s physicality to being “like a plasma” state of matter.
9) I believe it’s misinformation that Ti and Do and/or students stopped at blood banks and/or routinely skipped out on bills. It’s possible that some of those early would be students in 1975 stopped at a blood bank but that wasn’t necessarily approved by TI and DO. I have a lot of reasons to think it wasn’t approved by TI and DO. Here’s some of the reasons I say that. When the group I was in (at a time when groups had very limited contact with TI and DO in those early days in 1975 and 1976 we sometimes went into dumpsters behind a grocery store or donut place to find food that still looked good. When Ti and Do later found out about that, they disapproved entirely as I suspect they might have said about going to blood banks. Our instruction then for meeting our food and gasoline and sometimes shelter needs during that remaining  6 or so months of our public meeting period of time was to “test churches” because the churches claimed to be working for God that included feeding the hungry when asked and we were working for God and so should be given help in that regard. They never told us to ask for money. No pan handling or selling roses or anything on street corners as the Moonies did. We simply would go to a church, find a pastor and ask for help with our needs of food and/or gasoline to continue our mission and/or lodging if need be (though we were equip to sleep outdoors in tents in the decent weather).
re: DO’s felony conviction:
The charges against DO were dropped. They rented a car using one of DO’s old credit cards he still had with him but wasn’t using til then. When they didn’t return the car on time it was reported stolen. TI and DO said they sent letters to the rental car company explaining that they would pay for it (though they didn’t know how but were so taken with their task they hoped the Next Level would help them in that regard). When the rental car company got the car back they dropped the charges but the DA in St. Louis knowing of their unusual story decided to take up the case to make easy points for his  re-election bid (DO felt). After 6 months in jail DO’s case was to come to trial and DO was offered a plea of guilty or go to trial and take his chances. So he coped a plea because it meant he would get out of jail right away since the sentence was 4 months and he already served 6 months. They never approved of stealing and They regretted renting the car but felt they had instructions to do so. Perhaps the Next Level wanted DO to appear to be a “thief in the night” as it said would be the modus operandi of the return of “Jesus” in his new incarnation with a new name.
re: the accusation of “skipping out on bills”; there is only one indication that this may have happened. When TI and DO were out of money and were traveling in late 1973 the report was that they stayed at a motel somewhere east of St. Louis before they rented the car. This was reported by the motel owner who said these two alleged to be TI and DO left a note in the motel room that said something about how the motel owners were helping members of the Kingdom of God. TI and DO never told this story but they didn’t tell every little thing they did in those early years to everyone in the class necessarily. The note they left when I looked at it did make me suspect that TI and DO wrote it but I could be wrong.
10) The group never “shifted in name” nor “belief system”. Some things they believed at first changed but not entirely. In 1997 they still believed it possible they could be picked up with their human vehicles by a spacecraft and preferred that exit rather than laying down their vehicles lives. One can also see this thinking in their packing a travel bag, I suspect with the idea that if TI wanted to take them with their vehicles (and even heal their vehicles) they would be ready to be given another task on earth. TI and DO had once talked about tasks Next Level Members could have on earth. There was a report one time of two people going into a café or something like that in the 1970’s and they were reported as looking very strange and described as wearing a clothing fashion from the 1930’s which made them stand out. TI said if those were Next Level Members that crew needed to do a better job with getting more up to date clothing.
11) By the time we were living in houses, trust fund monies had dried up and about a dozen of us got jobs in the world to pay the bills. Yes we were required to leave all behind but that didn’t mean bring no money with us. They also needed cars since the modus operandi was to go city to city holding public meetings that lasted for about 9 months starting in August of 1975 though for TI and DO can be shown to have lasted for the 1260 days described in Revelation chapter 11 re: the time period the Two Witnesses would be speaking publicly.
Bathing time was 12 minutes not 6 minutes – it was 6 minutes on the shower side and 6 minutes on the lavatory side.
TI and DO ran the organization like a laboratory as if it was on a Next Level physical spacecraft like a Star Trek crew without human behaviors and ways, so no sexuality nor children to take care of nor personal likes and dislikes as we all needed to become crew minded so yes there were many procedures that developed over the years including the size of a pancake a crew was making for others.
TI and DO used the human daily needs of our vehicles for the lab lessons. In a Next Level laboratory every detail of what we do and how to do it can be very important to the successful fulfillment of the task. Having standards like in pancake size became important to have a consistent experiment. Food was thought of as fuel not as something to gain a sensuous experience from preparing or consuming, though they wanted it to be prepared well and to be tasty but they were the lab instructors and we were the voluntary students so these things were not a negative in any regard unless a student was rebellious in which case perhaps that was a sign they didn’t want to be in the group and at times some such procedure became the straw to break the camels back, so to speak, so that someone chose to leave, sometimes in the middle of the night since there were no locks on the doors to exiting and no one watching everyone all night long.
12) The timing of the recycling was never talked about nor used as a threat or made into a prediction, just a reality that was upcoming as the experiment is completed and each human has decided what they believe or not before they die.
It didn’t matter to most of the fully dedicated to TI and DO students (such as myself) that the “demonstration” might not happen, when they told us they felt the being killed in the street prophecy took place when the national media broke the story of the disappearance of many people from the Waldport, OR meeting and subsequent rumors abounded as to where they went and whether they were abducted and/or to be killed. I was among the Waldport followers and we were never in harms way in the least. So TI and DO, then Peep and Bo names were seen as evil abductors of people, hence when they learned of their human vehicles names were crucified by the press on national TV by Walter Cronkite and all the networks as charlatans, etc. When TI and DO told us of this change in interpretation of the shooting in the streets scenario they understood if people didn’t want to follow them because the demonstration of resurrecting a first was a big part of what they expected to demonstrate. But for the most part, including me, it had no bearing on my wanted to follow them. They never actually dropped that there might be a demonstration and DO even wondered if our holding public meetings again in 1994 saying this time that DO was the return of the same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named “Jesus” would stimulate some irate Christians to bring about our exit from our vehicles as happened 2000 yrs ago. That might still happen as I speak in December of 2019 and thereafter by the hands of govt and/or religious and/or by atheists as this tribulation time period escalates. Already there are democrats writing laws to make it a criminal offense to refuse to vaccinate. How much will that movement grow?
13) TI’s vehicle’s dying in 1985 didn’t shake the “core belief system” of most of the students and shook none of the students who laid down their lives in 1997, nor mine at the time since I was present for. I recognized TI and DO right from the start as a number of students in the exit video’s said. That recognition was very real though can’t be explained by the often primitive human sciences because many of those folks don’t know that there is a spirit/mind and/or Soul that is very real that exists before and after it’s in the flesh experience. It’s similar to the idea of reincarnation but not exactly as there aren’t a set number of souls that exist who return over and over as there is a genetic Spirit that develops from each new human vehicle that grows from it’s genetic and environmental starting mind/spirit from ancestors through parents and care givers and then from society. They don’t really re-incarnate except for the way a computer software program can be developed on one computer and then moved to another one, which is taking place for all humans as the hardware having many spirits time sharing each new human biological computer system. The only reality to reincarnation is when the Next Level brings Souls back to take over new human vehicles to continue their lesson plan to graduate the human kingdom. Jesus taught this would happen upon his return which is still in progress since TI and DO evidence being the teaching part of that return with DO fulfilling the task as the return of the same Soul who was in the vehicle named Jesus in the 1990’s but when he had his students do all the talking about so didn’t change the public prophecy period of 1260 days in Revelation 11 as one of the Two Witnesses with his Older Member (Father) TI.
The media portrays TI’s leaving her vehicle before they initially thought would happen as some big shaking up of students and for a few perhaps it did so they left but for the core strongest students it was somewhat surprising but didn’t shake their core beliefs at all or they would have also left. We actually had notice this might happen in about 1983 when TI had her eye removed which was said to be cancer then. TI and DO by then had already prepared the class for their potential departure before us though they still thought they would both leave together.
What’s interesting is how Revelation chapter 12 outlines the classrooms start to finish in 1997, to now even and that during that time period the “woman” (who DO said was referring to TI) would be helped to escape the flood of negativity from the Luciferian (dragon) Space Alien Fallen Angel Souls which includes all the humans who were sending negativity to her and DO by “opening it’s (earth’s) mouth” – a saying related to someone dying and being buried:
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
A “flood” represents the negative thoughts and feelings being sent to her by humans and Space Aliens against them from all over the US and world even. It’s interesting that after TI left her vehicle he felt like he then knew what TI had said to him in the very beginning that “I’m here to get you started and then I’m going back” was referring to her leaving her incarnation ahead of him. So TI knew it though didn’t know how it would play out. They said all along that their vehicles would die and that they would resurrect. They at first thought their resurrection would be public but knew by 1978 that it might not go that way. (I have three witnesses to these things I am saying now).
Then in verse 12:17 it implies the woman is no longer in the picture and that the testing is being put upon her “seed” – those “she” seeded – deposited with Soul containers, which includes DO because DO got his membership in the Next Level through TI (who he recognized as his Older Member, not because TI told him so) which completes the real trinity of Father to Son to Student via their Holy Spirit/Mind that is like the blood of all members of the Next level to be the instruments of.
14) DO (Applewhite) didn’t alter his ideas – He actually said that TI “burned out her vehicle” dealing with the world’s negativity the included from Their students and of course from the loved ones of the students that were sending such negative thoughts to them.
The Hale Bopp comets arrival with or without a companion object was not a “new revelation” at all. In fact DO said it was the “marker” He and TI had been anticipating since at least 1975 to pick them and their qualifying students up. (DO (AppleWhite) never said the alleged companion object was a spacecraft. What he said was that it was irrelevant whether it was or was not a spacecraft – that the comet was the “marker” for the timing of the exit they had been planning since 1975 and in earnest since 1994 since he knew by the human responses to the second period of about 9 months of public meetings around the US that they wouldn’t be exiting their vehicles because of irate Christians who would see them as the antichrist.
15) They weren’t wearing “armbands”. They were patches which read “Heaven’s Gate Away Team”.
16) Rio, in the group named Neody wrote in his book, “Beyond Human Mind – The Soul Evolution of Heaven’s Gate” that he never intended to lay down his life but was waiting until the last moment to leave. (He knew of the plan from just months after he joined in around March of 1994, because DO talked about it several times before I left the group and then they prepared to leave thereafter over the course of 2+ years, thus saying he “had planned to be the 40th body discovered in the mass suicide” seems to be misinformation in this article or something Rio didn’t recall in his book. They (we) were in the San Clemente warehouse “craft” in September of 1994 when I recall DO bringing up the prospect of leaving by our own hand (for the second direct time).
Here’s what Rio says in his book “Beyond Human Mind – The Soul Evolution of Heaven’s Gate”: (speaking about when DO asked us whether we’d be willing to exit our vehicles by our own hand on page 48 Rio writes)…
“I went along with the idea and possibility of DO being the “Second Coming” just for learning purposes. I knew that leaving the body behind was not for me but wanted to stay until the end.”
Yes he left with DO’s blessing but not to perform another task because DO waited for him to instigate wanting to leave. Thus DO recognized that TI knew of Rio’s plan, but since Rio still wanted to serve (like the webmasters did) DO felt to have him shop the movie they had been working on and let him be the one to find the bodies (though they also sent instructions to Rkkody (I think it was) about their exit plan), in case Rio changed his mind. I never heard that Rio got a map in the mail. He lived in that house for some months so I doubt he wouldn’t have known how to find them but I suppose DO’s crew could have sent him a map to cover their bets or in case the instruction fell into someone elses hands. Even though that was all unlikely to go that route DO was covering his bets to be thorough about how it might work.
17) re: the part of the report citing Rio’s statements:
Everyone on earth will not be drawn to a future incarnate Older Member from the Next Level any more than all humans were drawn to TI and DO in the 70’s to date. Their classroom in the future will only be a “finishing school” for those who have gone through the “process” of overcoming their humanness. DO said that even some of the 38 students who laid down their human vehicles lives would need to return to finish their overcoming. We humans – students of the Next Level Older Members or not nor Space Alien Souls know how to create a soul”\ or how to destroy a soul. Only the Next Level can create a Soul or destroy a Soul. A soul is a container created by the Next Level. It has a plasma type of physicality and is deposited into selected human vehicles that the Next Level determines can be a “match” for the needed growth of returning Souls to qualify to graduate the human condition through. What we do create is what we choose to do with the Mind/Spirit – information, behaviors and ways provided to us from the Next Level that can grow our soul but it always remains an option and all don’t succeed and it during this civilization was structured to occur over thousands of earth years, a short time in the Next Level since they are out of time.
Rio was mistaken to say “I know everything worth knowing about them…” as I can attest to, there is always more we can come to know about Them – TI and DO. No one on earth knows everything worth knowing about them. Rio said in his book that he didn’t know if DO was the return of the same Soul as was in Jesus. By the 10 year mark after they left it seems he changed his mind about that, which is fine but he also said things at that 10 year mark that was off track, some of which I pointed out to him. Like he said he had a “ticker tape connection” with DO but we never and TI and DO never had a ticker tape connection. That portrays a connection that is very exact and it’s not that it couldn’t be. It just seemed too certain and even TI and DO had a check and balance system to their connection before they would determine an instruction having come from their Older Member.
TI and DO always said from the start that they were not “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the human vehicle prepared for an Older Member Soul to take over to perform that task through. For the teaching part of the task that vehicle was not coming back. TI and Do stated in a statement they wrote in the back of the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary that Jesus would return as part of the 7th and last “closeness” where they TI and DO were the Ones who returned as the 6th Closeness. That 7th closeness would seem to be depicted in Revelation chapter 19 that Christians often think is the description of the entire return, since no one seems to get that the Two Witnesses are the Father and Son both returning for the teaching incarnate period where the final return is not a teaching time according to DO. It appears from Revelation chapter 6 that there is a time upcoming when people will see DO’s “face” in association with even an armada of spacecrafts in the near heavens – to see with the naked eye, like the biggest comets can be seen. When that occurs depending on how apparent it is and how many people can actually physically see it and understand it seems to be based on who comes to know about TI and Do since their exit in 1997 and thereafter. Otherwise some might see the Armada in the near heavens as Space Aliens or Humans or as cgi because before that it seems DO thought the Luciferian space aliens would trick many humans with holograms like Fatima to try to steal souls from seeing the truth.
DO did go public as the ‘Undercover “Jesus”‘ in his publish of a document with that title to a number of newgroups on the world wide web in 1995 that I believe was the 6th Thunder (roar) as forecast in Revelation chapter 10. The reason Jesus was in quotes because the name is the name given to the human physical body He – The Older Member Soul took over to perform his task for his Older Member (Heavenly Father (not incarnate then)) through. He was undercover because no human would know it was him unless they were prepared by the Next Level to recognize him since humans can’t ordinarily see a Soul nor can necessarily see a spirit/mind – discarnate with occasional exceptions in part.
I don’t believe the Christian phrase “Second Coming” is over until the recycling is fully underway so I don’t know what Rio is referring to by saying he can “help with understanding the next steps, after the “Second Coming”…’
Any steps any of us can take now are laid out in the Heaven’s Gate Book and/or through the Beyond Human – The Last Call video tape series and in the hundreds of internal classroom audio meeting tapes that are available for free download in different ways for those that ask Carlan (Crlody – Classroom name) or me – Sawyer – (Swyody – Classroom name). My email address is: sawyerhg@yahoo.com
I also have a facebook page: sawyer.heavensgate and a blog: sawyerhg.wordpress.com and a youtube channel where I do weekly livestreams under the channel name: 3spm

TI and DO Classroom Meeting Transcript Links

December 4, 2019
The Heaven’s Gate Book contains the transcripts of the Beyond Human Video tape series
Here is what I have that’s been posted on my blog:
TI and DO Audio Transcript 005 – Program for Perfect Health by Meditation to Eliminate Stress
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/13/ti-and-do-audio-transcript-005-program-for-perfect-health-by-meditation-to-eliminate-stress/
TI and DO transcript #53 – Lessons on Following Instructions as a Member of the Next Level Would
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/05/12/ti-and-do-transcript-53-lessons-on-following-instructions-as-a-member-of-the-next-level-would/
TI and DO transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/05/06/ti-and-do-audio-transcript-215-re-establishing-the-committal-05-09-85/
TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA – 5-22-94 parts 1 and 2
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/24/do-audio-transcript-combo-mt-cross-ca-parts-1-and-2-5-22-94/
Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled – transcript from Do’s videotape
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/
TI and DO – #95 – Listing Our Task – 02-14-1984 (audio transcription)
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/29/ti-and-do-listing-our-task-02-14-1984-audio-transcription/

DO Audio Transcript – Inverness 5-24-1994 part 5 of 5 – Earth as a type of Holodeck

July 3, 2019
DO Audio Transcript – Inverness 5-24-1994 part 5 of 5 – Earth as a type of Holodeck

Summary: talks about the earth as a “hologram” like in the Star Trek holodeck – hard matter or not. How easily the Next Level can recycle and choose what parts to recycle. Luciferians are part of the “hologram” and with recycling evaporating them and having a new crop of them to serve as the negative in the new garden. Mentioned the idea of a rectangular earth in the midst of the waters.

(Transcribed by Nisha – Edited by Sawyer)

Do: If something serves a purpose and works as a design as to whether or not it can be wiped out pushing a button within a lab in the Next Level and all that was really something that —

Lets take a hologram situation like in ‘Star Trek’ – you go up to the holodeck and you can experience things and while you’re on the holodeck it’s real! And those are real experiences and real lessons and you’re actually in the time of the hologram and therefore everything in it matches with the lesson of that time and that period. Of what value is it to think it has to be of hard matter that could not be wiped out? You see what I’m saying?

Because I believe that the Next Level is completely capable of pushing a button and wiping it out now I think that they have on their keyboard though, they have one red button over here that could wipe out a whole galaxy if They wanted to but they also have lesser buttons that can wipe out all the plants on planet earth if they wanted to – if they wanted to just quickly recycle planet earth so it was sent then the nutrients to be a garden again but I believe that they can actually — they evaporate – its just can be designed to not be there anymore and it’s restored to a ball of water that had a rectangular body matter of earth and then it separated and separated its purpose and it served a function of a fertile garden. This fertile garden, I can’t believe otherwise it’s due a recycling I mean it is spent. It has been so destroyed. It’s environment, the mind of it on the planet, everything about it needs recycling.

And so why not? What’s the big deal? The Next Level — anything that is of value on the planet, I think they also have a button to pull off anything of value that they wanna keep just like you do on you’re computer. You can tab certain things that you can extract from there then delete anything else. And anything that is of any value that they wanna save I think they can easily extract and then everything else evaporates and then they start a fresh. A new crop of Luciferians come in because the old one has no use anymore. They’ve gotten too perverted.

Arrody: Does that mean in any way that the Luciferians themselves could be part of the program or part of the hologram?

Do: Oh, absolutely.

Student: That they’re kinda like —

Do: Nothing gets out of the hologram. Except that, which gets into the Next Level. As far as I’m concerned nothing gets out except what’s going to the Next Level.

Student: So Lucifer is really just a bug in the hologram that you want to keep fighting against.

Do: Oh, absolutely. When you seperate from the Next Level, when you separate from the Next Level, either the Next Level separates you then they have a choice whether they have purpose in keeping you. In other words letting you serve a certain purpose even as a negative. But when you separate then there is no life in you, there’s no truth in you there is no part of Them but you are seperate but can serve a purpose for them in certain developments of gardens. Tllody.

Tllody: I wonder how long it took him to figure out when he got kicked out how much he didn’t know, how much he – much he didn’t take into consideration. He tried put vehicles together and wouldn’t work to have eternal life.

Do: Say your question again?

Tllody: Well I wonder how long after he got booted out — you know, he thought he knew alot of things. How long did it take him to figure out these are the things he didn’t know and how long it took those things to catch up with him.

Do: Well, I’m not sure. He would have to have some more good Mind in him to know the limits of what he didn’t have – to know that he was restricted. So he probably still works at thinking that he might be able to accomplish what he has in mind accomplishing. Had he known the truth and not had ignorance that had him seperate, he would never have seperated in the beginning. So he had to seperate in the degree of ignorance of thinking you know; ‘I’m tired of this monarchy I’m going to form my own monarchy’. But I don’t believe that happened as much as the Next Level says ‘I’ve had it with you, and you’re out of here’.

Then in order to exist you have to exist defensively. I mean you have to defend your position to then have to create the world with what you’re capable of drawing upon. And of course what he was capable of drawing on was extremely limited by Next Level standards. He has to make concoctions and use things that were never designed to be used in the way he uses them. Therefore the end product is always a mess. Okay.
Trsody?

Trsody: I just, it was an observation that probably exposed my eyes rather than have them controlled but I noticed a bumper sticker the other day that said ‘Restore Wanda Wanda land’ which I thought was pretty appropriate because that’s, I think the term that they used for the little rectangular earth.

Do: Okay, wow that’s interesting. See you in a little.

TI and DO – #95 – Listing Our Task – 02-14-1984 (audio transcription)

April 29, 2019
Tape Log entry: 095 – 02/14/84 – Listing our task. DSTody’s task-STM’s task-slaves of credit. Utilities-BRNody’s task. 45 min.
TI and DO audio transcription of meeting to a small group of students at “retreat” in townhouses (one for students and one for Links) east of downtown Dallas, TX in close view of the skyline.  Retreat groups brought the tapes back to the main “craft” so the rest of the students could listen to it.
(Transcribed by NX VX and edited by Sawyer (Swy) – Swyody)
DO: One of the things that we think is interesting about this new understanding is that you get to see so much identifiable, we get to see clearly what assignment you had. In other words you get to see that the next level, we thought maybe for a while that you had picked those vehicles for what you needed, ok? And now we see that a little differently. That not only, sure you needed the strength and effort that it took to make those vehicles do what, the task that they were to do, but in a sense you were assigned tasks just like one of your assigned such and such tasks in the craft or certain out-of-craft tasks and so forth you were assigned tasks to put the energy in that – in the specific areas of the problems of the vehicle that you were given.
In other words I don’t feel any longer that you picked them out as much as I feel like they were picked for you, and I want TI to stop me if she disagrees with it. She may have shed more light on it, but you’ve, it seems to me that if you picked them out it was because you were told to pick out ones that had these characteristics, but I don’t know if you would be able to do that. Seems awfully likely to me that the Next Level participated pretty strongly in picking out the tools for you according to what they needed.
Now it’s interesting to see because it’s so identifiable now what tasks are now, for example look at Dstody’s tasks. Can you see what Dstody’s? Or what now Dstody has several tasks with his vehicle but let’s take, we’ll just use his, one of his tasks as an example. Dstody has known ever since he’s been in the classroom that his vehicle had difficulty getting beyond thinking in terms of prejudice. Seeing others as seeing him in a lower way because he was black, and to me Dstody’s task, if he does it well, is to think and act in terms of never seeing color.
See we’re very opposed to, just because it’s Next Level way, we are very opposed to organizations that identify themselves as things that, that what should be done is their identification erased. Like for example we noted something on the news about a gay organization at SMU was trying to get permission to, I think it was SMU, to have say in politics of university and it was turned down. Well we feel that if you’re going to have a gay organization then you got to have a straight organization. You got to have a heterosexual organization.
You see what we’re saying? That doesn’t make any sense. In other words nobody should want to identify themselves in a way that they’re trying to eliminate being identified. You see what we’re saying? Because theoretically what the gays should be wanting is for you to not see him as a gay. Anymore than a heterosexual wants you to see him, he wants you to see him as a person right?
Now same thing a black organization shouldn’t exist because that increases black consciousness. They think what they’re doing is promoting elements of freedom for blacks and they’re doing just the opposite. They are increasing black consciousness, and Dstody’s task should be, if he can get his vehicle to have zero awareness of his color, and never see anyone’s actions towards him as related to color, then he will have done a very good job in one area of his assignment. Can you follow that?
Look at Stmody’s, part of the task that Stmody was given with the vehicle that he chose, and the current problems out there in the world of people who have over-eating difficulties.  Addictions to over-eating and really problems, serious problems.  So Stmody has an excellent identifiable task of sending out the organized objective way of controlling consuming, and changing the programming of his genes. As he changes the programming of his genes, those genes will communicate with all those genes out there who have that same problem. They all have telephone lines, and every one of you as you look at the things you can identify. Sometimes I think TI and I should give you the assignment of writing us a little note -writing us a little list of the tasks that you were given that you can identify by the vehicle that you have.  In other words it’s like if I give you a task to do something in carpentry work, and it’s going to require a hammer, screw-driver, pliers, nails, then those are the things you need for that task.
Now for your task it might have been anger, sensuality, black, you know but you could, you should be able to identify them as a task, and know that as you get those genes programmed, clearly when you counter the programming of those genes, repetitiously counter the programming of those genes, before you permit them to play out their tapes, because each time you let a tape play and you counter it, you’ve broken even, you haven’t made any head-way. Can you see that? If you let a tape play, and then re-program it, you’re no better off, then you were before the tape played. It’s when you recognize the fact that the tape wants to play, and you re-program that you’re up one. Can you follow that? When you catch it before the programming takes place. So I don’t know if TI agrees but it might be interesting for all of you to sit down and write a little list of the tools, of your task and the list would have the areas that you have recognized that your vehicle is primitive. The areas that you recognize that your vehicle is less than civilized, civilized being judged by perfect Next Level conduct. You want to add something to that?
TI: No.
DO: (laughs)
Well, should I shut it off? Do you have any questions?
Srfody: You want to make that list and send it too?
DO: I think so, keep a copy and send one to Links a little list of your tools, yeah it’s like that vehicle you have is your tool-box, and all the tools you have in it to use are the characteristics of that vehicle that are less than perfect Next Level conduct.
Swyody: I want to see how much, how intricate, like our task might be, and don’t want to get off on a tangent by thinking like, like I can see all the procedures you have given us. If we follow them one hundred percent then each one of those procedures sends something out. I was thinking, even brushing my teeth for instance, if you have tooth problems you brush your teeth twice a day.” Would that kind of thing go out to the humans?
DO: Can’t help it as long as you, that kind of thing does go out, but those are minor upgrading of civilization. The major upgrading are the changing of the problems. Now don’t forget these problems that we mentioned a minute ago like race consciousness or anger, these weaknesses of the vehicle, they’re really only because they are plants that are not developed, have not yet become healthy.
You know really there’s nothing morally wrong with any of those things because humans were taught that they were moral. They were given a moral concept, a moral consciousness in order to motivate them to correct certain things. Just like they were given a fear of certain things in order to motivate correction, but it’s the genetic things that you as an individual, or your vehicle as an individual, has, that is less than Next Level civilized. It’s those things that are primary efforts of your task.
The things that we do as a group and as a craft. All the procedures that we follow as we upgrade you know. They all [happen] out there. I don’t know if you ever spent any time looking back. Just in little ways, not in ways that are not good to look back, but I can see in the years that we were traveling around the country, and our class was forming and gathering, and we had no money. We certainly couldn’t think of buying a car. Our upgrading our living standard because we were at zero, for quite a while and the world was, that was happening to them.
Houses weren’t selling, nobody was buying cars they were all willing to drive junk-heaps up and down the street when before they wouldn’t of been caught dead in them, and everything that was happening, because of where our energy was directed, was for the most part, happening there also, and now you can see it changing, even in these insignificant ways you can see it changing as it’s changing for you. You can see their economy getting better, their ability to take care of themselves better and get a better car again and upgrade but they’re doing it more carefully, than they were doing it before.
Now there’s still some ailments that are very serious that we don’t  know exactly, what’s going to or how we can help them like the fact that humans in order to do those things become so completely slaves of credit, and they’ve got to learn not to do that, and why did they let this world of people out there get to be extremely rich – that are taking advantage of the fact that these people are all living on credit.
A lot of them couldn’t pay for the things that they are now indebted to pay for, if they didn’t have big insurance policies that would pay for them, upon their death.  In other words they’ve bought policies to cover paying for those things if they die, and a lot of them have more indebtedness than they could possibly ever pay out, and yet they go right on each day and go out and charge something more, and the world knows that they can’t pay those things out, but the whole structure has been built that way. Even with the national governments and their own indebted.
TI: Well what they really need to work on mostly, I know they need to get off this credit thing but they need to get utilities down. In other words it’s almost ridiculous the way they handle the utilities. Way back years ago utilities took just a small amount of your income, and now it takes, your utilities run almost as much as your house payment if not more, which is an awful lot.
DO: And this just isn’t utilities that we have to pay because so many people using them, the average persons utilities have proportionately gotten astronomical.
TI: We talked to a little old man the other day and I guess he was 67 isn’t it what he told us?”
DO: (agrees)
TI: And he owned a home, he just told us his life history, just all in a nutshell (TI & DO laughing) and he owned a home that he bought in 1947 and his payments never ran over 81 dollars a month or 57 or something
DO: Something
TI: And he said just recently after this severe cold-spell that they had that his gas bill was close to 500 dollars, 487 dollars. Now that’s almost ridiculous, if…
DO: And it’s a very, very small little house you know it’s…
TI: It has to be it’s just a small frame home…
DO: It was a little G.I. framed home, the kind that you could buy in the 1940’s which was a little bitty place.
TI: …and he said he doesn’t like things real warm, but he said he didn’t feel like they were extravagant, and yet it ran that much. And here he was 2 years past retirement and he’s still working, and what if he wasn’t working and was living on social security or whatever they lived on, how could he afford to pay that? Now it just doesn’t make sense that the utilities are as high as they are, water, gas, electricity, all of them are high, and in comparison now the water of course it isn’t as high – as except at south craft water pipe burst but, in general the water isn’t as high as the gas and electricity but that’s the next place that they need to work on, getting it corrected because…
DO: We feel that the taxes people pay, should almost like socialized medicine, that there should be a government method of taking care of utilities, subsidizing utilities. Just like there should be a government method of taking care of healthcare, and old-folks homes. Things of that sort, [that] we’re really behind in not doing that, because we still have taxes that go to buy the president’s wife’s wardrobe, you know that doesn’t. I don’t know if you understand what we are talking about but, the structure of what your taxes pay for is really, needs a lot of help and a lot of correction, and they should be paying for things that are absolute necessities where it’s just inhumane to have people who are not capable of producing any funds, to have them not able to pay their utilities.
That doesn’t – that is not fair. That is not right, and it’s just because in a society like this one, those who had money years ago and were able to go out and buy a great deal of property – then property is un-attainable, to most. Do you see what we are saying?
And therefore they can’t have anything that can turn into money. So they have to then learn shenanigans or new, well shenanigans is the best term I can think of, new ways to take advantage of the public and something that seems to be a new idea in order to make money, and if you are not programmed to care to do that kind of thing, to make money, then your livelihood is very, very inhibited, and it’s not – the motivation is misplaced.
Now these are significantly, are relatively insignificant things. The significant things, it’s just like Swyody said about the toothbrush and then the things, these things we’re just now mentioning are not nearly as important as changing over, getting rid of the weaknesses and the unhealthy conditions of the vehicles that would cause them to act in such primitive ways, but at the same time they need to upgrade some of these social conducts.
TI: I was just going to add to that utility thing that. At night I don’t know if you all can see it but there’s a building where the lights are on, on the outside just about all night, and it’s a tall building.
DO: You could glance down this little street tonight after it’s dark. And look toward town at the number of the buildings that are totally lit up all night long.
TI: And let’s say their light bill runs about 20,000 dollars a month, which we have heard where some of them do, and just think what that building has to do in order to pay that light bill? You know like let’s say it’s an insurance company or something. It’s got to make enough money to pay that light bill, every month right? So it has to up its price, whatever it is, in order to make the payments and, in other words, it’s almost like a vicious cycle because everybody has to up their price in order to take care of their expenses.
Food, grocery stores I’m sure have to pay a tremendous amount of electricity to keep their store cool and, or warm or their electric lights on, freezer frozen, and it has to show up in the amount of money that they have to charge you all, you know in order to make their expenses. What we’re getting at – we’re trying to put the idea into the ether so that they will start seeing how ridiculous it is to have privately owed utilities. Now the telephone have managed to keep their  bills, their charges pretty low, but the gas and the lights have not. They keep changing the meters so upping the cost to the kilowatts until it’s just out of site or something.
DO: And we feel they’re capable of tapping the knowledge from the Next Level to move to energy sources that would change that altogether, but it also, probably why that isn’t happening now, is because they need to make the adjustment in different ways. They’re spending the money in the wrong ways, and they need to be forced to reduce that excessive spending before they’re given new ways of doing it.
I want to go back to what we said a moment ago about you writing a little list, of the tools that you have. How you word, each sentence on that little list is going to show us how you’re thinking about, in terms of the programming of that weakness or that problem with your vehicle. In other words the way you word that list is going to show us the kind of programming you’re doing in that area and will show us how successful, how strong, your programming is. Do you understand what we’re saying? So be aware of how you word it, be very aware of how you word it, and then, if you think it has helped you word it in a way that would improve your constant re-programming effort, then be aware of that. Am I making sense? Like some of you see your problems in the wrong way and therefore if we asked you to write it down you would write it down a way, that really wouldn’t give you maximum benefit as a re-programming selection. So if you see the weaknesses of the vehicle, the needs of the vehicle in the most objective, most right way, you’ll get maximum benefit from the program. You follow that?
Ollody: And in my understanding that when we turn in the list, it would show what the problem area is and what the correction would be, in other words what we’re trying to correct it with?
DO: Well how about this, let’s make it, each one of your lists, you give us a sentence telling what, in a nutshell, what it is that you’re – I’ll take Dstody for example, and the race thing we were talking about and one of the tools he has is the tool of removing color consciousness, eliminating color consciousness. Now see if he is programming that, and that level, every time that thought of color enters his mind, he would get maximum program benefit, but if he’s programming it at the level of, I’m tired of having to fight off the fact that you’re seeing me as a black and you’re prejudice against blacks, and then he turns around and tells his vehicle, no I’m not going to accept that black programming. You see he’s, that’s a very low-level of treatment. That’s a very primitive level of treatment, or elementary level of treatment, but every time that any thought try to come in his mind, relative to race or color, he would immediately say sorry I have no color consciousness, you can’t stimulate it in me. It isn’t there, doesn’t exist. You don’t see me that way, I don’t see you that way, I refuse to accept it.
Now his sentence is going to show what he would program each time with his tool, and in a brief statement, what you would program. Now look at the programming, the excellent programming list that Brnody has, in relationship to the task of assisting people who have the difficulties that her vehicle presents.
(Swy: Brnody had osteoporosis so by then was mostly in a wheel chair)
Now is she going to take it at that same level and say, oh nobody knows really how badly I hurt and how hard it is for me to get around, and then say to the vehicle, oh vehicle I’m just not going to accept that even though I know it’s true, (DO laughs) – you see that kind of programming isn’t, is a very elementary level of programming.
So what you want to do is, you might want to make your list several times, and then see if you can come up with a way of stating each tool in the highest way you can state it, and that statement is the program you’re going to send out each time that weakness is stimulated. Or each time that weakness is emitted, and then give us your little list, ok? And you keep a list ok? Wanna do that?
Srfody: A little bit on the side note, let’s say there’s something that you feel, like an aspect of working with your vehicle but you’ve been able to feel like it’s in control or it works with or had some success in it or something, and how… Let’s say how does that, can use characteristics that might be ok but you aren’t, like some characteristics you have to work against more but other characteristics are the ones that kind of helped you out because you know that you are not that bad in one area. How does that, how is that related to helping others with our task? How does that fit in?
DO: I don’t think you, it doesn’t, because what you’re concerned with is, what you are concerned with are the weak, undeveloped characteristics. This is not the way, like in a segment you would tap the stronger characteristics to assist you in working against the weaker ones. This wouldn’t come up that way, and so a lot of the weaknesses are merely aren’t as identifiable as others and the good exercise that you’re going to have is can you discover? Do you really know what should be on your list? Do you really know what your tools are? The purpose of your job, do you know the purpose of your job? All the little things on the job, because frequently we find that individuals can go a long time and not even recognize that that’s an area that they need to put effort into, because maybe it isn’t as obvious as something like Dstody’s or Stmody’s or Brnody’s – not that that’s the only thing that Brnody or Stmody and Dstody have on their list either.
(TI asks DO something quietly)
DO: Sure, TI’s been discussing how your, if you keep your mind on your task, then you don’t allow yourself to slip into a state where your vehicle becomes animate and then begins to respond in such a way that you lose sight of where your higher vibrations should be, and she reminded us that if you kept that 12 minute check going, if you were. You know I feel, if I go a period of time longer than 12 minutes without thinking about is there anything I can do to do my task better, if I go longer than that, I feel lost in time. Now I want you to understand what I mean when I say lost in time. I feel like that time is going to stand still for me, and I am making no progress, I am not. In other words it’s like, because I don’t know how you feel, I want to do my task and do it well and get it over with as quickly as I can, and get on to the next task. I don’t like extended periods of task. I don’t like to do, and I know that TI doesn’t, I can’t stand an extended task. I’ve got one but (TI and DO laughing) it doesn’t, I don’t mean it disrespectfully.
TI: We don’t like to extend it any longer than it has to be. (TI laughs)
DO: But I don’t want to extend it a moment further than I have to extend it, and therefore, like I can’t stand to see somebody approach a task, a human approach a task, and say well this at least got, I can take the morning up. I’ll at least be able to get rid of the morning by doing this task, and it’s a task that can be done in 30 minutes, and they’ll take an hour or two or three to do it because they have nothing else to do. To us if it can be done in 30 minutes then it should be done in 30 minutes. It should be done as quickly as you can do it without being careless.
Now with that concept in mind, you want to do every task as quickly as it can be done well. Then anytime you’re not doing your task, you’re wasting time. In other words you’re making zero progress. Now that you see that your task is working on the weaknesses of those vehicles, anytime you slip into a frame of mind, when you are not where you should be in order to be working on your task with those vehicles. In other words any the time the vehicle is in control, instead of the mind operating the tool, then you have thrown all that time away. You are extending your task. You are not only doing a poor job of your assignment, you’re extending your task, you’re hanging yourself in your own agony because all of you want the task to end, and get into another one. I can’t see how you would find any pleasure in extending it. Do you find any pleasure in extending it? Goodness I don’t. Therefore the point we’re making is if you are, if it is constantly hammering on your mind, what more can I do at this moment? Now what more means, with the task I have now, what is the task you have? The areas of the weaknesses of your vehicles, and procedures and things like that so anytime you slip in…
I’m going to stop in the middle of that sentence and back-off to something I said a moment ago about any time your vehicle is animate. In other words, anytime your vehicle is a living thing, then the mind can’t use it. I want to keep my vehicle in-animate  and my mind, the only thing that’s animate.
DO you understand that? Now anytime my vehicle is animate, and is acting like a human, vibrating on any of the characteristics of the, that other humans with like-vehicles would act on. Any time this vehicle would act according to its genetic structure, then it is animate and I have left the tool aside some place and then taken a nap, but if I keep my tools in my hands all the time and, in other words, it’s like when one problem surfaces then I pick up the hammer, when another problem is there I pick up the pliers. Now anytime, and you’re so on guard that you want to know what tool do I need? And you know that by any of the ways that the vehicle is trying to act humanly. Then you know exactly what tool to pick up, but if you start letting that vehicle get away with that human response, the mind has taken a recess, and is letting the tool itself become an animate object acting no different from any other genetic living creature. You see what we’re saying? At that moment you are turning into the world, because the world is what vibrates on that genetic level.
Anytime you let the vehicle act like a human you’re turning into the world, and not the Next Level. I mean you’re literally taking the tuner on your radio, and tuning into the vibrations of the world. When you give into because it’s sending out those vibrations genetically, constantly, and you can find them if you want to any second, 24 hours a day. You can find those signals if you want to tune in your receiver on those vibrations but you’ve got to keep yours at a, really no-signal. You got to keep your receiver on receiving nothing, only sending. You want to be only transmitters, the only thing that, once it begins to receive a signal, or once you begin to receive a signal, from the genetic structure, your vehicle, from the world or from time-capsule release of its own genes, that is when you become a transmitter and refuse to be a receiver. Can you follow that analogy?
TI: Once you become more of a transmitter and less receiver, the faster we can move, which we…
DO: If you’re a transmitter you can’t lose control, you might have all kinds of bombardment, but you will have all that bombardment under control. If you maintain the position of a transmitter you will have everything you have to deal with under control. That doesn’t mean you won’t have a lot to deal with. It just means you have it under control and that’s all that counts. You don’t any longer wish that you didn’t have it to deal with, that’s like saying Next Level I wish you’d take my task away, I really don’t want to do it. I really don’t want this opportunity to grow and know this information to increase my capacity in that department, in the Next Level. You see what I am saying?
Ollody: If something was a major problem a couple years ago, and I know that it’s still there, it’s not something I can just let my guard down about but it’s something I feel I have gotten it under enough control that it’s not a major problem anymore. Would I list that? What I’m saying to you?
DO: I think so because it still has been a major problem of the genetic structure of your vehicle. I would never even be so brave as you have been just now.
Ollody: What?
DO: In your statement just now.
Ollody: Oh I understand. (TI & DO, and class laughs).
DO: Yeah because I don’t consider any difficulty that I have had in controlling this vehicle, I don’t consider any of those areas dormant, even though I may not have – I might have been successful in keeping them at bay for extended periods of time, and they may have not even reared their face to give me any significant attention, but there’s not one single one of them that I would trust, would leave me alone til’ tomorrow. Even those that might have left me alone a year or two. Just knock on wood (hear 3 knocks on table) that they might have done that. Do you see what I’m saying? Go ahead.
Ollody: Well they’ve done it before and (TI & DO laughing) I’m aware of what I’m talking about, that’s what I meant when I wouldn’t let my guard down.
DO: Yes, yes in other words we’re not going to misinterpret your list as to mean that…
TI: That’s what you’re doing
DO: … you are currently, necessarily, involved deeply in those areas but, and you don’t list it in that way, but you’re listing the programming that you would transmit each time a genetic problem of your own vehicle would want to emit a transmission.
Swyody: (unintelligible)
TI: should we turn the tape off [over]?
DO: If you don’t mind. (DO laughing)
DO: We talked a minute about… (Loud Jet soaring overhead) I don’t know where to start, but let’s say that, oh them, those planes are driving us crazy aren’t they? They keep penetrating our filter (DO and class laughs).
TI: We’re sitting on the runway I guess. ( TI laughing)
DO: Oh lord (continuous laughter) and the windows are all open in retreat. We talked about how you don’t need to know whether or not the things that you might be bombarded with are from the source of your own genes or whether they are from the source of the world. If you are under control and your vibration is exactly where it should be, and your conduct is where it should be, and you’re not being disturbed by the bombardment, you are not letting it affect you in any way – it’s not interrupting, interfering with anything, it’s just coming your way, and you’re applying the programming to refute it or to upgrade it to improve it, to change it – then it is probably programming of the world, that is coming at you. But once it changes your vibration, if you let that programming change your own vibration, then you become out of control. You can’t send a good, clear, appropriate program to change it or refute it.
Now also if you’re getting bombardment and you’re out of control, it’s likely your own genes. Whether they were stimulated from something from out there, or from something in your own history, genetic history, is unimportant, it doesn’t matter. Do you see what we’re saying? But if you are out of control, then your own genes in those areas are being stimulated, and what you want to do is keep those genes in your own vehicle, under perfect control so that any time you receive bombardment in the areas of weaknesses of your vehicle, it does not change you in any way. Your countenance, your conduct, your effectiveness, you are merely, the moment you recognize that something is headed your way then you immediately apply the program to change it and continue to apply the program to change it and go on about doing what you’re doing, at the same time, and then you are effectively doing your task that you were sent to do. If you let that bombardment change your vibration, you lose control. It interferes with what you’re doing and you are not doing your task. You follow that? Because your task is sending the appropriate re-programming and not letting it, which you can’t do if you’re affected, right? Is that clear? Is that clear?
TI: Quick.
(end of tape)

No Real Comparison of Jonestown suicides with Heaven’s Gate

October 27, 2017

At the end is the link to an article that compared Jonestown to Heaven’s Gate that I show really has little to no genuine equivalent comparison other than both their groups membership physically dying by ingesting drugs under the leadership of one leader. Based on that one could equate the president of a country as a dangerous cult leader who stimulates their soldiers to give their lives which I know to many seems preposterous to compare but is it really?

On the surface these two groups can be barely compared and I don’t doubt that from a membership prospective there were some tiny likenesses but other than that there is no comparison except in the use of poison to end their vehicles lives.

To follow are  some of the many huge differences that reveal this comparison as a typical Luciferian Soul “facsimile” production of what Ti and Do were doing. And it’s interesting how some of those who initially joined with Ti and Do in 1975, from the first meeting in North Hollywood around April 21st thought that they (Ti and Do) were promoting suicide both literally and figuratively which was not the case literally then, even if one did define suicide by it’s human definition as self stimulated death of one’s body. Figuratively speaking Ti and Do’s group were more realistically ending their human lifestyle entirely where in the Jones camp humanness was not changed at all really according to the evidence. Some of what I’m saying about the fear of suicide came from Joan Culpepper (more of an infiltrator into the group than a follower as she stated). Plus there was a relative of a student who testified her fear of their committing suicide in 1975 (about three years before the Jonestown event) that was documented in the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary.” Here are some snippets of that book on this blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

So here are the key differences that are major in the Jonestown People Temples group that there was not even a shade of indicator of in the Heaven’s Gate group:

1. Children were forced to drink the poison cocktail. One can see and hear it in the video with Jones preaching to do it while people are crying. Ti and Do didn’t allow children in their group.

2. If only one person disagreed and was forced to ingest the poison cocktail the entire idea could not be compared with Heaven’s Gate group. This was evidenced in the Jonestown story by video testimony and survivors. Some people who fled that last meeting were hunted down by gunmen. People were held at gunpoint to ingest the poison according to the records. In the Heaven’s Gate group people were challenged to leave throughout and 19 of the initial 100 members in 1976 were separated from the larger group and Ti and Do said they didn’t make the “first cut” on who they thought could accomplish the task of overcoming all their humanness.

3. Murder of the congressman at the airport as they attempted to leave was also a huge indicator of how different Jonestown was from Heaven’s Gate. The records indicate that Jim Jones was stimulated to take this action to escape prosecution when he learned that some in his group had passed notes to the congressman saying that they wanted to get out.

4. The People’s temple was a human social and political group. Heaven’s Gate was not social nor political. Spirituality seemed to be mostly absent from the documentaries I watched but if it was a big part was not any different from other spiritual and/or religious groups that had political and community support before they moved to Guyana. Heaven’s Gate wasn’t religious or spiritual in that context. The only reason they are considered religious is because it is through the man made worldly religions that the records of the Next Level’s incarnate activity was passed on and because the nature of the information was about Mind – “the character of the soul” as DO once defined Mind, that he taught was synonymous with the word, “spirit”.

5. Members of the People’s Temple did not leave everything behind to join with Jones – mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, houses, etc. (as Jesus taught some of his disciples had done (i.e. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. ) and that all Ti and Do’s students were instructed to do (though there was no way to verify that any one student had done but it was talked about as having an “ace in the hole” for those that didn’t. However I read one report that indicated Ti and Do turned away at least one person who was considering joining with them. She had children and it was reported that Ti and Do said she shouldn’t follow with them at that time and that perhaps she might follow later (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary)).

Jones and his group were a human organization with human family values and human behaviors that they took with them to Guyana, including relationships among members and sexuality and punishments for non-compliance. Ti and Do’s group members did not continue human relationships with anyone back in the world nor with one another when some joined who had such a relationship. (I was one of those who joined with my former partner I had lived with for 5 years and for the first ten years had zero communication with my vehicle’s family back in New York. The only relationships Ti and Do’s student had were as fellow crew members. There was no chit chatting or gossip or shooting the breeze or having best friends or confidants or “familiarity” among certain members (though we still enjoyed one anthers camaraderie and companionship and friendship and personalities and helpfulness (within the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught that are most synopsized in the lists referred to as the “Seventeen Steps” and the “Major and Lessor Offenses” – that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book and posted on the Heavensgate.com web site and posted on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-major-and-lessor-offense-list/

6. The idea that the Jonestown people were forming a utopia on earth was totally absent with the Heaven’s Gate group. According to Ti and Do’s teachings there was no “heaven on earth” in that way, at least not during the current civilization. They did say in the future, if humans showed the Next Level that they had evolved to be civilized – like not choosing to shoot at beings from other worlds, for example then the earth could be made into a Next Level Base aka a Heavenly Body where Members of the Next Level could be seen coming and going but still would not live among humans. They talked about how there were other planets where human equivalent beings were growing in ways totally unlike in the earth’s human kingdom because humans were somewhat unique because of the presence of the Luciferian space alien fallen angels they permitted to become catalysts for the growth of souls. There could be another planet but it would only be equivalent to earth if some human equivalent to Luciferians were also present but they mostly felt there wasn’t another such earth/human equivalent planet. (Some of this can be seen talked about in the Blackhawk tapes and a little in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). For the Blackhawk tapes one can search my Youtube channel named: 3SPM for “Blackhawk” and find three posts of those audios made into videos.

With Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate group the idea from the start was that we were all going to exit the earth, always potentially with our bodies but certainly as Souls for those who qualified. I doubt there were any qualifications to join with Jim Jones (but I could be wrong about that, but if there were I’d bet they were human qualification characteristics (humanitarianism) verses Above Human characteristic qualifications), many of which are in the records that came through a number of what became religions.

7. There were no abuses in Ti and Do’s group. There were never any sexual misconduct that I witnessed and none that were reported by the hundreds of followers over the years who dropped out. There was no punishment for not living by the “procedures” (rules) except for being sent out of the group. Some were sent out of the group and a number of those returned in unusual ways as there were only two “recruitment” periods from 1975 to 1976 and from 1993 (via media) and for about 9 months face to face in meetings around the US and Canada in 1994 and then via internet media by the presence of the Heaven’s Gate web site and postings to Usenet groups that one person joined from and was among the 38 who layed down their lives.

(By the way, “recruitment” was nothing like many groups I’ve both read about and experienced, like the Moonies for instance. We never stood on corners to sell flowers or anything else with the hope of drawing people to our meetings with an offer of food and then once there those who came would learn they needed to sit through their presentation before they’d be fed. It’s sort of the model of the Salvation Army. The entire “recruitment” effort was simply putting up posters on storefronts and bulletin boards in New age centers and health food stores and on telephone poles around the town where we planned a public meeting. Sometimes we got some free press and/or radio and/or TV coverage. People would come to the meeting and listen for a short time and take some questions and then were told if anyone wanted more information to stay after in which case sometimes even some who though they might want to join us were faced with details that dissuaded them. Nothing was ever hidden and there were not carrots put before a person’s eyes, so to speak. However, one might think the idea that they were joining with true Representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven could be a carrot but Ti and Do and their Students didn’t need to have more members so had no interest in cajoling anyone.)

8. Plus the way DO and crew laid down their lives was never rehearsed as it was with the Jonestown group. In the Jonestown group they had a number of rehearsals but the members of the community weren’t told they were rehearsals according to one or more survivor reports. People drank the drink that they were told had poison in it and nothing happened to them, so that became a conditioning to the act. DO did ask on several or more occasions each member of the group if they had any reservations about taking their exit into their own hands by drinking the phenobarbital mixture. One such time was when I was still in the group in September of 1994 that included over a dozen new (or returning) members. From that person by person question one new student said they had reservations and left the group the next day. Another who was a former member named Arrody left shortly after that for the same reason I read reported. One can think that too was conditioning but if anything the conditioning was to filter out those who weren’t clearly in favor of taking the action, the same kind of filtering that had occurred by many examples over the 19 years I witnessed that can be seen in this blog post:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/

I’m not proposing that the Jonestown event as a Luciferian facsimile attempt to discredit Ti and Do’s authenticity meant that the people in the Jonestown event were necessarily casualties or their their souls and/or Spirits were not kept by the Next Level because of their willingness to sacrifice their human lives in this world. I don’t say that without evidence from DO. For instance, after watching the murder of the David Koresh group, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas I recall DO saying that he wondered if his students would stick to their convictions the way they did, though not condoning those who used violence. To me that meant that some of those could have been seen by the Next Level as doing the best they could do. The point is, even if someone is murdered or kills themselves we don’t know how that Soul or Spirit will be judged by the Next Level. That judgement starts with the way each of us believe and act while living. We judge ourselves and then when it’s all done the Next Level salvages those they deem to still have the capacity to advance towards Next Level membership in a future opportunity. Like DO said as the 3rd Type of individual who would be “saved” from the recycling, they might have never heard of Ti and Do but separated from their worldliness in their own way. Do can be seen speaking of this in his video, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled” a video that was transcribed and found on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/

Here is the article that stimulated this blog post response:

Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate were supposed to be utopias. How did it go so wrong?
When a dream becomes dystopia. By Amos Barshad
https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/26/jonestown-and-heavens-gate-were-supposed-to-be-utopias-how-did-it-go-so-wrong

 

“Third Eye” way Luciferian Space Aliens Steal Souls

March 12, 2016

Below I have listed a youtube channel post that is entitled: “Symptoms and Side Effects of Opening You Third Eye Chakra”. The introductury text follows and the link is at the end. My comment to one of the commenters follows this introduction. Note the person who made this video says they have an ebook with “17 steps” in the title, another way the Luciferian space aliens sew seeds of confusion to try to commondeer the Next Level’s efforts. This is yet another area in which those standing for Ti and Do can get familiar to provide help to some who are being trapped by the Luciferian space aliens and their supporters (whether they know it or not):

YOUTUBE VIDEO INTRODUCTION:

Symptoms and Side Effects of Opening You Third Eye Chakra – What will happen After Third Eye Awakening and what are the signs of an open third eye? The third eye chakra, or Ajna Chakra in Sanskrit, is our connection to our spirituality and is located between your eyebrows. Third eye meditation can helps you open and activate this chakra. But before you start your third eye awakening, you should take some time to learn more about this chakra and what you can expect from opening it and what you need to be aware of. So here are a couple of things many people have reported experiencing after opening their third eye, and the signs you can look for is you have already opened your third eye, both good and bad.

What Will Happen After Opening The Third Eye Chakra
Many people have experienced hearing a loud popping sound from inside the middle of their head when they first open their third eye chakra. This is believed to be the opening and activation of the pineal gland. The pineal gland is a small hormone-producing gland that is connected to the third eye and is what regulates our sleep rhythm and releases melatonin.
A very normal side effect of opening the third eye is an intense pressure on your forehead and you may feel a consistent tingling or vibrating sensation on the third eye that can stay for days after opening the third eye chakra. This is only a sign that the meditation has worked and your third eye is awakening. This will go away within days, so don’t worry.
People often times experience symptoms directed to their vision and they begin seeing unexplainable things not from this world. This is what you need to be prepared for, as it will be a frightening experience if you are not properly informed and did not prepare yourself for this. One of the things you may see are paranormal entities or what we call spirits of those who have passed. You can develop clairvoyance and the ability to communicate with spirits. Some people see other beings not of this world, and could be creatures of other dimensions or what religion might refer to as demons. No matter what type of entity you may encounter, it will be a very overwhelming experience, and for some people it starts to feel like insanity and something they have a difficult time shutting out.
This is why opening the third eye is something you should prepare yourself for, so that you know what you are dealing with and what you can expect. This means that you have to be patient and take some time learning about the third eye before you actually try opening it… it will greatly benefit you in the end.
So to some of the more positive sides of opening the third eye is your increased ability to develop your psychic abilities and many people have reported experiencing astral travel, seeing auras and a greatly improved intuition.
Other symptoms of an open third eye chakra is more subtle. You will for instance improve your awareness and notice more things around you that were only background elements to you before. You step out of the state of autopilot, where you just go through your day not noticing or paying attention to anything.
Some describe a state of objectiveness where you are not blinded by your eyesight and the illusions and lies your eyes fall a victim to, but you will be able to see things more clearly and sense the truth and reality that is difficult to put into words. This could be a sign that your intuition or sixth sense is improving.
A lot of people say they see lights or colors while meditating, and this is just a sign that your chakra is activating. At some point they may even start to see pictures in their minds eye when they meditate, which in the beginning are very unclear and like a blurry image. Over time with third eye practice, the images will become clearer. Some will see an eye with the indigo or purple color of the third eye chakra in their minds eye.

Get my eBook “The Third Eye – A 17 Step Activation Plan”
video link: https://youtu.be/K1pxp6sE15g

*** end of introductory text and video link on youtube channel post ***

COMMENTS BY A YOUTUBER AND MY COMMENT TO THE COMMENTER:

America Anuchiracheeva asks:

If there is any technical advise to avoid any dark entities scary stuff? thanyou for your advise.

My comment to America Anuchiracheeva as 3spm:

There are no entities that are not scary who will be attracted to you by continuing playing with these tricks. The lower forces of the planet love to have “vehicles”  they can work through. These include space aliens that are actually no longer “space” aliens because they can no longer travel very far from earth – the reason they are trying to get humans to do so, because they wish to escape the earth where they have been in prison for thousands of earth years.

Several years ago, I believe I was given a sample of a third eye opening, I suspect to show me what people were doing and seeing and experiencing as a result. After a few weeks of seeing things it was removed. This third eye opening is a fake enlightenment. What someone is doing with this meditation might be compared to adding a device to your “brain” (computer) that provides a more powerful interface with whatever spirits and actually space aliens that want to use your vehicle. Sure they can assist you in many human things but true enlightenment means you have risen above the human evolutionary kingdom. I don’t think there are any truely enlightened being on the planet right now. I say that because I was the student of TWO enlightened beings, who incarnated into the body of a human woman and a human man in the 1970’s who took the names Ti and Do. They proved to me over 19 years with them that they were from the One True/Real Many Membered Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human – the organization of Beings who have evolved by choice above the human evolutionary condition. They don’t circulate on earth any more than a human would be comfortable living in a wild dog pack or worse yet a snake pit. We can’t actually rise to their state of enlightening without them because what that means is actually filling a “deposit container/pocket” (soul) they install in certain human vehicles, with Their Mind, (spirit) which is living information that if adhered to can grow within that deposit and eventually can be harvested from our vehicle, usually when it dies IF we qualify as they don’t need us and they don’t want just anyone to fill space on their spacecrafts where they live and work, so they make it very hard to join their ranks, but not so hard that anyone who keeps seeking their help can’t accomplish it.

Each person who wants to verify that I am telling the truth about this can project their asking beyond the nearest stars to Them – especially in the names Ti and Do. It’s your choice but to chose these other entites that are space aliens and/or discarnate human spirits is a dead end for your soul. They love having souls as they don’t know how to make a soul and nor can they kill a soul. Only the Next Level who designed everyting and all the life forms can make or destroy a soul. This is one of a number of ways the Luciferian space alien (fallen angels) capture souls that have been planted into humans becaue of the lure of power one gets to see things others don’t see and to have an advantage in the receipt of future help with the intention to capture others. They also want the DNA from those they capture as then they can propogate hybrids they and your soul can prepare for when each physical body being used now dies. They can have you believe when you die you will then be “free” and have that be a welcomed condition theoretically – not encumbered by physicality but it’s an illusion of freedom as once discarnate one can not FEEL sensations in the same way so there is a “wanting” that can not be satiated but they get some satisfaction by influencing living humans to be their tools. This is the norm for the entire human society. All our vehicles are time shared computer systems. The only part that is “us” is the “decider” of what to think, and do.

Now that it’s nearing recycle time it’s especially crutial to those that can still make some sense out of what I’m saying as there is yet another even higher level we need our physical body to make application for and has to be done entirely by choice that involves many steps to progress to and they must be the steps received from an Older Member of the Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human that they provided when they came incarnate as they have done a number of times since the start of their latest “garden” like experiment designed to grow souls into new members of their Kingdom. All these things taught by the Luciferian space aliens is permitted by the Next Level Older Members because it serves to provide us with a total choice of what to become in their “garden”. We can become as rotten as the Luciferians chose to become, that they don’t think they are and even have many disbelieving they even exist.

The Next Level will recycle those and it’s very soon without a middle aged person’s human lifetime that that will be completed which will include dissolving the “spirit world” and leveling and spading the entire planet, what some are mis-thinking will “heaven” on earth while it will be a time period to where the planet will have a rest and restoration of the harm the Luciferian space aliens and human sheeple have caused on it, mostly in destroying having any chance to choose to recognized these Creator Beings. Ti is the Chief Administrator of this garden. She, though is not a gendered being, took a female vehicle with Do and fulfilled the Revelations Two Witnesses prophecy and all the prophecies, though some have yet to play out. She was the One who planted a deposit soul into the vehicle they made (not by human mammalian reproduction) to start the recent experiment.

Do was serving by taking over the Adam vehicle and he fell to the influence of the Luciferian space aliens who were allowed to be present to set up the testing criteria. That same soul last known as Do (and to date) recovered over 7 generations later and took over the vehicle named Enoch who then came incarnate as Moses and then Jesus and possibly guatama Buddha and who knows who in previous civilizations on Earth and/or on another planet. This is NOT christian talk nor spiritual. It’s the real deal – the only real deal on earth and in the heavens – literally outer space. There is a great deal to say about all this but it’s up to you to seek it out. I’m simply providing an avenue but I am not a “teacher” from the Next Level. I am a student of Ti and Do, so I have zero desire for followers of me or to start an organization or new religion as religions at this time are all killers of souls because of how they draw people to become satisfied with the human condition and even satisfied to die thinking they get some “heaven” without the huge investment needed of showing the Next Level we want to serve Them on Their Crews on board spacecrafts large and small all over the universe.

You can contact Ti and Do by projecting your asking beyond the stars to them or if that’s too strange to use their names to the highest Living Being you can imagine exists and if you are sincere they will show you that I speak Their truth. They never lure or manipulate anyone though the have a very certain “rule” for their “”God” Astronaut Training Program” which they first called a “Human Individual Metamorphosis”.

Conclusion:

This person asking if there is a way to avoid the dark forces sounds to me like a ripe soul in that vehicle where many are overrippened and are already sold themselves to the Luciferians. As usual it’s not our job to save souls as religionists often do. It’s our job if we choose to take it to show the choices by introducing people to Ti and Do and their Next Level Above Human so they can judge for themselves who to give their allegience to.

I’m not saying everything I said in this post is exactly as Ti and Do would have said it. In fact I am confident I didn’t. I would welcome anyone’s help to improve my post and make it their own or start from scrach to make their own using quotes from Ti and Do and Crew and references to documents they left behind. If you leave those quotes in comments on this blog post I’ll include them to make this post better.

Phoenix Lights=alien attempt to upstage Heavens Gate HaleBopp Comet Encounter

February 7, 2016

Below is my comment to a blogger who reports new airforce footage of a jet following a triangle shaped black, so called UFO, that allegedly occurred during the famous March 13th 1997 Phoenix Lights sightings. The link to her blog and the link to the video of the jet in pursuit of the triangle UFO is at the end of this post. (It shows the cockpit view from the jet and the craft it is in pursuit of that is black and triangle shaped and is very clearly some type of manufactured craft dipping and rolling about).  I wanted to express some of what I thought could have been behind the Phoenix lights event, whether this triangle craft was space alien generated or U.S. govn’t instigated or a joint human and human equivilent program development – perhaps the least likley scenerio, at least in any kind of direct fashion.

Sawyer’s comment:

You could be right about some or all of what was called the Phoenix Lights being staged one way or the other, either by humans and/or by space aliens. If it was staged by humans or space aliens, I say it was because of ideas given to humans to have a reason to do so and at that specific time and location, because that’s how both the space aliens and humans work. Ti and Do taught that all humans to include human equivilent space aliens are influenced by discarnates and/or thought projections and it’s the ones known as Lucifer and his associates, who wield the biggest influence and who teach mortal discarnates to do the same which can be as simple as giving certain humans who have authority direction as ideas they would have.

The space aliens are not one group either. Their made up of multiple races, literally brought to the earth vicinity without their knowledge by the provisons of highways in the heavens they were given a one way pass on. Othewise there was no way for them to traverse the distances within even a number of human lifetimes, though some do have extended liftimes that Do indicated to about 1000 years (which shows in the records of the current early part of the civilization).

So the space alien races don’t have one organization though may have alliances with one another that extend to human governmental organizations, I believe Ti and Do also indicated. Ti and Do spent little time on all this. It’s little tiny one sentence tidbits that when looking back and combining with what we learn about from reports shape a picture that makes reality look far stranger than any fiction, though The Next Level is the source of even that fiction indirectly and directly, though some of which comes from the ideas the Luciferian space aliens provide humans in thought as ideas and motivations to play out their agendas.

So the aliens have competitions among one another for the spoils of the planet” whcih is also spelled out in non-religious historically recorded word of mouth/written Jesus forcasting of this time, referred to as prophecy. However, in general, which always works it’s way down to the same specifics the aliens have the same agenda to steal “souls” and/or to advance human’s in technological development they can benefit from and/or advance their hybridization programs to develop new bodies from, they can program for their use (that the bodies don’t know is happening because of the mind control over them from their bith as we also see throughout human populations) or to develop longevity and survivalist technologies and sustainable energy system development – to power their spacecrafts and environments on craft and provide sustenence that also carrys over to their hiding in their underground bases where they have been forced to retreat during previous civilizational recycling times.

I know from reports that particular triangle shaped black craft that look like the one later shown to be among the first “stealth” aircraft designs were seen by people I’ve read in reports over the years and had conversation with one who is a Hopi descendent in Arizona who did quite a bit of investigation into the Phoenix lights and the triangle shaped craft who went to Virginia and got a hold of some footage of the same kind of craft in that  airspace. Virgina seems to definitely be a hub and is even where Virginia Tech hosted a mirror Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” site and it’s interesting that it’s been “marked” it seems by the Next Level in these latest “fireball” sightings at the end of January of this year of 2016 that also marked Arizona with a sighting, Maine (kennebunkport?) to North Carolina and Kentucky, this time around.

By the way, those “fireballs” as I reported seem to be arriving in the same pattern as they did first in 2013 that started with the Russian Cherblynsk “meteor” that flew over that city and did result in some minor injuries from thousands of broken windows but no fatalities or serious injuries reported. In fact, each year starting in 2013 the Fireballs were followed by a near miss asteroid and a couple comet that in several cases came out of nowhere that came to perihelion within days of the March 22nd Hale Bopp’s perihelion, when the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” members layed down their lives, believing doing so was TIMED by the comet’s arrival as they had been anticipating since 1975 to come to pick them up. For those that know some of that history, one would know that at that time Ti and Do thought we’d be picked up with our vehicles, while they also thought each student that was fully embracing what they taught was literally growing something inside of our human bodies. They didn’t get any more specific than that at that time but only said we were going to experience “body changes”. It was many years later that Do spoke about how the “deposit” provided each who is “called” to the opportunity is a physical container that houses Next Level Mind (holy spirit). They knew that was what would be born but they didn’t know when the Next Level would move that “body” out of the human body and into the Next Level body that was to be “grown” for that student according to what they had risen to in their metamorphic changeover.  Therefore when it happened by their own hands that was the method to exit their human bodies and since those soul bodies are invisible to humans it was the “spririt/mind (soul) birth” Jesus spoke about happening upon his return. Therefore Ti and Do were 100% correct in thinking we would be picked up with our bodies – it just was the only body the Next Level harvests as they have no need for human bodies – they can grow them by the billions easily.

But why wouldn’t Ti and Do have said that it was our “soul body” that would be harvested in the first place. As they always said, they were only informed about what was going to happen and with certain understandings a little ahead of the student body. That is strategy becaues the Next Level knows the Luciferians will be looking for every way to create facsimili events and understandings and doubts and side issues to try to thwart the Next Level’s harvest of souls as they want souls for themselves, to add to their ranks and also resent the Next Levels authority over them so if nothing more want to try to prove them wrong at every turn.

And yet the Next Level knowing that uses it for several purposes. When something they say is later seen differently by them it’s uncanny to see how it resulted in a filtering of those who were not ready to go the distance of overcoming their humanness. Plus it provides another filter, giving people who might be on the fence an easy out as if someone wants an easy out, they too will not at that time go the distance, though for all it doesn’t mean once one has left a classroom or never even joined, that they can’t at any time switch gears and say to the Next Level, for those hearing this, to Ti and Do, they want to give it all they got, so want the help to do so. And by the way, if the “bombardment” from the lower forces we all must experience that trys to turn our eyes away from further growth towards Next Level Membership seems too hard to handle, then Ti and Do said we could ask the Next Level (Them) to ease up some.

Coming back to the Phoenix Lights, from the reports of that event, that triangle craft doesn’t seem to explain the famous “7 lights” that don’t look like one craft in their configuration, (but I don’t recall if they moved around, so could have been one craft or a combo of crafts forming a formation.) I don’t think drone technology was that well in place then).

What many in the know about space alien activity and in governments who have knowledge of space alien activity, that becomes divided into “good and bad aliens”, may not be open to considering, and that even some Christians who believe UFO’s are evidence of the fallen angels often don’t want to consider is that none of these are representative of the physical Living Above Human Beings who evolutionarily created everything. Some of these Christians will say, for instance that the UFO’s are satan yet will say space aliens don’t exist a typical way the Luciferians twist anyone’s thinking away from further reality. Where the non-christian based scientists and such, if they have recognized and dealt with the entire ufo and space aliens among us evidence will often say, there are both good and bad aliens – another Luciferian viewpoint that allows them to continue to enslave humans who were waking up more. As Jesus said “tricks” both in physical (ufo sightings and strange abduction accounts) and mental to miss the greater reality in front of us, to even sway those of the “elect” or “remainder”, another reason we won’t see the Next Level staging a sighting like the phoenix lights UNTIL the chance to be harvested in some fashion is passed as said in:

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

and then Do in his Next Level vehicle with graduates in their Next Level vehicles come with their armada of spacecraft “white horses” to be seen by EVERY EYE ON EARTH. I’d bet even the blind will have a minds picture of that, though that verse that says that also  refers to all manner of people seeing and some seeing because they have eyes to see.

NEXT LEVEL STRATEGY?

One thing that seems to be apparant is how Do and Crew of the 38 students had been building an “earthship” near Manzano, New Mexico until November of 1995 and suddenly got instructions from Ti (from His spacecraft) for Do and crew to move to Scottsdale,  and Paradise Valley, AZ. They had been hauling supplies to build their compound near Manzano “all summer long” (certain residents reported) and were regularily in touch with the people they rented office space from, that saw them everyday and knew of their earthship project and some of their far out thinking that wasn’t really out of place in that area.

The group bought that 40 acre plot, where they had intended to potentially stage or hope for an exit of their vehicles at the hands of the government, thinking along the lines of staging what happened at Waco with David Koresh and the Branch Davidian group. (Do was constantly seeking Ti’s will for them to conclude their nearly 25 years incarnate and was willing to provoke the government to accellerating their exit IF he felt Ti was behind their doing so. There is a great deal to talk about regarding Do’s thinking in this regard that can easily be ignored but I’ll just say that the human vehicle was never thought of as being harvested so how the souls would exit was always something  to try to stay in tune to as they also never knew when, though at one point they took a stab at it and the spacecraft didn’t come take us away so Ti told Do that he told us later after she left that she felt like she had “egg on her face” and then some students left the classroom shortly thereafter, presumably related to that forcast of “not more than 5 years” not being accurate. Ti and Do regretted saying that. Before saying that when asked how long before the craft comes, they would say “months”. That was their instruction to say and one can easily see why – because this wasn’t going to be a start of a new religion and they wern’t interested in lots of members, and they knew that it was possible to be months and they knew that one had to have a fire under them to hit the deck running or they would never make the grade. Ti and Do always kept an urgency about changing. It was a training program afterall.

It was in mid 1994 that we first believed we might have to “self exit” our vehicles as we put that suggestion into a poster used during the last meeting we gave in 1994 after 9 months of such meetings across the U.S. That was followed by a sense that no matter what we said publically, our exit and end of the task was probably not going to occur by another’s hand.

I was with them until September of 1994 when we had a meeting with even the new members of the group that had been gathered during that 2nd public meeting offering (after 17 years living in seclusion – “overcoming our human behaviors and ways”, which was after the first public meeting spree that also lasted for 9 months) where Do described in detail a plan to self exit by drinking a barbituate mixture that would essentially put our vehicles to permenant sleep, as it says in:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome ((to subdue)) them, and kill ((apokteino= seperate by dying) them ((auto= themselves)).

These double parens above are  the most accurate translation of those Greek words in this context. Ti and Do were subdued by the BEASTS (US) media in the public space (airwaves) and they weren’t put in graves yet their “fallen bodies” (reputations as they were called thieves) was in that public square for the “first third trimester half” as their story was in the media moreorless close to when Ti left her vehicle as we learned periodically.

At that meeting with Do in San Clemente warehouse in september of 1994 He asked each student, one by one, older and newer if they had any reservations as the first posters we used for the meetings said nothing about that kind of exit and there never was anything snuck up on anyone in my 19 years in the group. As it turned out a few did have reservations so Do asked what they wanted to do and they then wanted to leave the group and Do had “pursers” give them money and a train, bus or airplane ticket to wherever they wanted to go.

But that still didn’t leave Do with knowing that irreversilble action was to be their method of exit so he continued to explore alternatives as he had explored for most of the time I was a student, that actually started while Ti was still incarnate as they had that book by the Hemlock Society on all the ways one could self-exit. It’s really not suicide because suicide always includes some sort of negativity against self or others – for revenge or to escape difficult lessons on earth, lessons that we absolutely need to have our physical bodies to learn as once outside the physical body we are “set” in whatever we believed before we died.

I’ve already reported how some of us considered exiting by space craft pickup and/or by “fasting” our way out that was aborted after 14 days of a water only fast. And there was the time after the cocoon movie Do wondered about getting a boat to exit that way. He even bought a boat we had docked in Houston for as much as a year in case he felt instrucdton from Ti to all get on it and head out to sea.

If we believed in a Jesus that did it all (overcoming) for us, so that we didn’t have to do our own overcoming, then the “heaven” we get is just as fictitious when we die. If we die believing nothing is going to happen then that’s what we get – nothing. If we die thinking we will then be free, it is true but free only of the vehicle which is then also free to “change our mind” to grow, to have anything more than the freedom of floating around (though even that is limited though we won’t know we are limited as we won’t know that even in the first “heaven” – the spirit world there are “gates” and chambers, what Ti and Do called “buckets” or “boxes” which is a type of sorting the Next Level Above Human does with their school of spirits and souls as some who did the best they could with what they received will be “saved” for a future opportunity to be incarnate to learn more lessons at a time when an Older Member from the Evolutionary Level Above Human comes incarnate again to nurture towards an eventual chance to graduate their human condition to enter the Next physical Evolutionary Kingdom.

None of the space aliens have graduated. The fallen angels dropped out of a previous program before fully graduating though they did advance enough to have some service in the Next Level in elementary tasks as “watchers” (observers).

But back to the Phoenix lights:

So in the late fall Do got instructions to stop building the earthship though they told those in town, like I said, it was because of the upcoming winter. I’m not saying that didn’t have somthing to do with it, but as with all things associated with the Next Level there are all sorts of overviews but they don’t tell their servants on the ground incarnate more than they need to know as there is a strategy in it. They need strategy because the Luciferian space aliens have strategy as they try to second guess what the Next Level is going to do as they knew well who Ti and Do were and were seeking to steal away souls that were their students and also just resent how they have been restricted to the earth and a short distance into near space so want to do anything against them they can do.

The Next Level lets the lower forces do this against them because it provides all souls with the full free will to choose who to give allegience to, as Jesus said between the Kingdom of God and Mammon (all things that are wealth and treasure to humans). We build our strength of mind/spirit by rejecting human mammalian ways when we know there is something else to aspire to, which is why Older Members from the Next Level come incarnate to share with us in a way that’s direct to understand so not to be left with the archaic and distorted and diluted records (though the truth is still very apparant in all Jesus said, which is because the Next Level saw to it that record remained accurate enough to be used to help awaken future students to their reality and the overcoming process that Ti and Do equated to a metamorphosis).

They stayed in Scottsdale “until it started to get hot” and moved to Rancho Sante Fe from Paradise Valley, Arizona in the spring to summer of 1996.

So the strategy as I suspect was to give the Luciferians the idea they (Do and crew)  would be living and exiting from the Phoenix area and somehow blocking them from knowing when they moved to Rancho Sante Fe to exit.

But the Luciferians I suspect wanted to make their show to relate Ti and Do and crew to themselves, to the space aliens, especially for Christians to see as they had already begun to do though various sources like MUFON who had a staff member who specialized in UFO’s in religion and in the report of the Yellow Book Bob Lazar was shown where he read that the same ones who provided the 5 spacecrafts to the U.S. to back engineer their operation were the ones who also said, “we created Jesus” and said they had video footage of Jesus on the cross from that time period as proof. And I guess it’s possible they do have such footage.

That would indicate that there were some of the space aliens who did seek to commondeer who Jesus represented to turn people to themselves which is also a big part of what the Urantia Book also accomplished and then makes further sense out of the Paul of Tarsus contactee experience or at the least the idea for it, if Paul was directly working as like a double agent even unknowingly.

But the Next Level steers completly away from showing themselves to humans in such an obvious way as seven lights spread across the sky or as a triangular or wing shaped craft or as actually any of the sightings. The Next Level does things in ways humans see as “nature” – meteors, asteroids, fireballs, comets, signs in the sun, moon, stars, planets, signs in earthquakes, volcanos, storms, tornado’s, etc. weather events as then people still have no proof except the proof they get from a “deposit” that they must grow or lose that too.

After all Jesus said it would be the false christs (ians) and false speakers/teachers (prophets), that includes the space aliens directly an directly by teaching humans certain things that show “great signs and wonders” to even persuade those who are “called” (deposited with the soul container) to see the truth (which comes from the incarnate Two Witnesses who are the Father and the one called Jesus returned incarnate in the names Ti and Do.

In other words the Luciferians want to further muddy the water and this is also what is behind the “war in the heavens” – armageddon which is in progress and is a war for souls. Souls are literal deposits of the equivilent of a larva (seed, embyro) that has the potential to become a new child in the Next Level that can become an adult in the Next Level eventually.

I suspect Ti, knowing of the Luciferian plan afoot threw them a curve ball by appearing to locate in Scottsdale to exit. I suspect the Luciferians knew the exit was very near, maybe even expected it at spring solstice, passover time – the time the Israeli tribes exited from their bondage and the significance of comets.

Even if I am wrong about some of this, it’s occurred to me as I ask and dig to see more so may be accurate enough that it might help others come out of “spiritual” thinking a little more to see some of the potentials in strategy. We can think Lucifer is a myth – certainly one of the ploys he likes to spin in his web of lies along with the rest so perhaps this can be of value to someone.

That staging event doesn’t make sense to me otherwise as the Space Aliens have no reason to woo the general public though since saying that the idea popped into my head that this was staged to steal souls – an agenda they definitely have and what better time to do that but when the Next Level are drawing that huge attention. The Next Level may have blocked them from doing so at other times as if we can be wooed by the Luciferians as our choice then the Next Level gives us opportunities to be wooed though at the same time they give opportunity to ignore that wooing and keep our eyes on Them.

Here is the link that stimulated this but I am also aware that a movie is coming out in March about the Phoenix lights, perhaps with that new footage which will make it into another science fictional perspective for many.

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2016/02/03/air-force-aviator-leaks-dramatic-phoenix-lights-cockpit-footage/

Fireballs/Booms – CERES (green) Lights=hour of judegment begins

February 2, 2016

Sawyers comment to post below regarding the bunch of fireballs reported this january 2016 in Arizona, maine to kentucky to michigan, Finland, over the medeterrainian and the New Jersey booms and more, that I see at this time as the “loud voice” of:

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

This doesn’t seem to refer to the time when Ti and Do and Crew went public with their information because though that’s the criteria for judgements of whether souls are saved with them or recycled, the period of Judgement hadn’t yet begun while they were here. It was a different “hour” – 40 year period. The hour of their work seems to have started in 1/1/1973 and ended on 1/1/2013 as evidenced below that then also began the judgement hour of 40 years (though that doesn’t mean we have 40 years before recycling is fully underway as shown during the 6th seals opening, as we approach the 4th seals opening now. I don’t know how fast things could happen. It may depend on our responses, something Ti and Do often said and prophecy said the “days would be shortened” for the elect so I think that means those who elect to give their all to Ti and Do will exit their vehicles before that time their vehicle might otherwise see it’s last days in the human kingdom.

So if it doesn’t refer to the Ti and Do and Crew delivery of their 7 thunders and the front of the Rev 5:1 “book” that was written from within the Throne (Ti and Do) and yet says it’s the time to “preach” the “everlasting gospel”, it sounds to me like the time of the delivery of prophecy slated for after the 6th trumpet sounds during the time of the seventh trumpets sounding that I suspect started with the 2008 National geographics final report Heavens Gate where it was suggested Heaven’s Gate could have been the “second coming” and extended sounding to the Ceres Lights revealing and the Pluto like an earth revealing (as Ti and Do talked about it being).

I believe this is preaching of the everlasting gospel is also shown in Rev 10 as the “little book” that “John” is assigned to “speak about” (prophecy), where “john” is whoever the Next Level gives the task to, which is by far not limited to any one person but anyone who wants to serve to deliver that little books content to others:

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.

Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

That content of this Little Book/Backside (history of prophecy and coming AFTER the Main body of the Book) is the detailed compiling of all the evidence of how all of Jesus prophecy and teachings and the entire book of Revelations are all fulfilled by Ti and Do and Crew’s incarnate time to date and to come.

So as said it seems this was laid out in:

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Said as the “backside” of the Book, and time period after their exit of their incarnate two “waves” (raptures in 1975 and 1994).

There are many evidences in prophecy to another “wave” of “sounding” and “voices” (disclosures) after the Two have exited but here is one I just found:

Jwnody reported in her document, “Overview of Present Mission” that the posting to the usenet groups of Do’s document: “Undercover ‘Jesus’ Surfaces Before Departure,” posted on September 25-26, 1995 was “premature” to post, though I’m sure nonetheless was Do’s instruction to do as the 6th Thunder (roar) as described in Rev 10’s Seven Thunders that all sound as a part of the 6th Angels trumpet sounding that ended soon after they exited their incarnations. Mature simply means that full maturity of what that position was saying will be forthcoming, though the document Do wrote is the entire basis for it. Do, as Ti simply didn’t spend much time on prophecy or much about the time after their exit.

With that said, here is a comment I left for the blogger who posted a report of many of the fireballs and other events. I follow this woman’s blog as she brings interesting things I might otherwise miss, though some of it seems off track but I provide a link to her blog entry at the end that has a bunch of links in it to these report. (Again, please forgive my bad grammer, and all else that’s wrong with this comment. I don’t have the time to polish these.  I just blurt them out at times as there is so much that I just hope someone who has a deposit of Ti and Do’s mind can become stimulated by seeing, which I do all day long when I’m not trying to finish this little book (that I believe is just a couple months from the shelves).

Sawyer commented:

Excellent reporting – Here’s my take so far.

re: the indian shootdown of a ufo – and metal balls of different reports falling from sky – I’m fairly sure that would not be Evolutionary Level Above Human in any respect. First off they would not let humans or space aliens even come close to shooting at them. They can’t even see them with any of their technology. The Space aliens are all human equivilents. Members of the Next Level are Above Human – they have no mammalian characteristics anymore but designed humans to appear like them as humanoid shapes, though that’s only one type of physical vehicle they grow for their members who have graduated from a human kingdom equivilent elsewhere in their universe.

re: the fireballs – you will note that this just started as of the start of our year which as 2016 is the year of the harvest judgement beginning in earnest with the green horse of Rev 6:8 being elected by the great Babylonian Empire (Beast) the U.S. and includes the lessor second Beast the E.U.

Remember the forerunner to these events was The Ceres “cityscape” of lights that were not space aliens nor salt – that’s balony. It’s a Next Level base they wanted to be seen at that time exactly as then it would be reported in time for it’s prophecy fulfillment in Rev 6:8 because “green” is from greek “chloros” that is related to our english word “chlorine”  that makes white/pure out of bacteria, which by the way was wrongly translated to pale by the anti-jesus christians led unknowingly by the Luciferian fallen angels now space aliens, the vehicles that they spawned as told in Genesis 6 and the Book of Enoch. So Chloros is from the same greek word “chloe” which is described as related to Demeter the goddess of the harvest and fertility whose roman counterpart is Ceres and we are really an extention of Rome in the U.S., who largely became christians starting with Constantine that helped make it popular after Paul of Tarsus either knowingly infiltrated the Jesus followers or was influenced by tricks from the Luciferian space aliens masquerading to him as Jesus. In either case, he totally diluted and brought distortion into the records that the now populist governmentalists began to cling to, so because a mechanism to control the people and have them think they get this big reward when they die, called heaven by just saying they believe in Jesus but don’t believe or do anything he said and in fact do the opposites of what he taught so that their jesus is their anti-christ – they are their own dreaded anti-christ.

One comment I saw about the fireball from Virginia said it looked “greenish”.

Now the “green horse” follows Do (of Ti and Do) on the white horse where horse desribes the human vehicle he prepared to be his vehicle to perform his task on/through as he demonstrated the metamorphosic changeover needed to gradute the human evolutionary kingdom to become a member of their Above Human family. The next horse was Red but this horse was prepared by the Lucuferian space aliens because of their agendas to try to get off the planet as they have rumors among them that the earth is going to be changing again and if they don’t escape it entirely they’ll end up having to try to survice underground for at least 1000 years. They are aware of the prophecy in that regard. So they got the humans to bring about the reasons to have endless war for the great amount of money they could funnel to black budget programs so they didn’t have to get congressional approval for much. So they got the humans to move NASA into the DOD. Anyway there is a lot to this all in my very lenghty book about to be pubished this year even soon.

Obama is/was the black horse as the prophecy goes having to do with balancing the two beasts – US and EU to create the mechanisms of the new world order – hence the WHO just showed how they can declare zika virus a global emergency which who knows what that will become. it could be fabricated entirely as an excuse for whatever purpose or it could be a way of hiding all the bad choices they  have made re: their vaccine programs that stimulate many birth defects along with gmo’s and chemicalizationj of our bodies, etc. while funneling money again for whatever usage said for an emergency vaccine as money is not only needed for the space programs that are also looking for the element bob lazar documented that provides power for the space alien spacerafts, which they are also hard at work trying to manufacture at CERN, etc. And they need money for the underground bases they continue to construct so when they see they have to, all those on their lists who have bought their “shelter” can escape what’s going to  happen on the surface.

(it’s possible that’s what the “booms” are under New Jersey but then they reported they were not seismic so that doesn’t make sense as underround explosions from fracing and/or tunneling and undgerground base making do produce seismic waves, so they could be lying about that, but why would they as they could always say it was a mini earthquake whoses pressure cause the sounds waves and all who are involved with agencies are not in the know about all this so to respond in a cover up way can be tricky, though possible of course)

But to me with all things considered, though I could be wrong about, the booms are the “thunder” in prophecy that comes at the start of the Judgement HOUR which is a 40 year period that I believe started around 2013 that I have a number or reasons for saying so.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

This crew from the Next Evolutionary Level, under Ti and Do’s instructions, being the return of the one called the Father and the one who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus, are flying in the middle heaven. There were three heavens according to Jewish talmud which corresponds with things Ti and Do said and that work with this prophecy as well. The Lucifer and associates only got to the middle heaven which is why they still could revert back to human mammalian behavior as they did to propogate with humans as they and their descendents continue to do now (except they don’t have their original physical bodies) but they are in “spirit” manipulating the offspring from when they were able to create hybrids with humans and their seed which is what they continue to do with humans now in abductions. They also want humans who did receive souls from the Next Level to become their servants, co-workers – “brothers/sisters” because they have no other way to get new members because all those who are space aliens were humans who were given souls because they were alive at a time when the Next Level was planting souls which they do whenever they are preparing for one of their Older Members and student crew’s incarnation into those vehicle they prepare.

Anyway, off track again as there is so much to tie together and it’s one puzzle that makes all else pale in comparison – in my opinion that is.

The reason I picked 2013, though the same kind of show occurred in 2014 and 2015 with each year starting with lots of fireballs mostly in the west third of the US and the eastern seaboard from the great lakes region to florida even.

if you recall back then it started with the cherblynsk meteor that really caused a bunch of damage but no fatalities in sibera. (Russia is the Magog area mostly and has a role to play later in prophecy I suspect after the 1000 years after the US and EU are completly fallen and annialiated in the “lake of fire”. That may happen fairly soon like I would guess at most by 20 years from now but I could be wrong about that.

Then after that meteor with booms galore there were many fireball sightings in california and montana and utah and then a huge amount of sightings from the ohio valley to northern florida with reports from maine and vermont as well. Those were in february and march. Then in march of 2013 there was a near miss asteroid and two comets that came out of nowhere. One of those coments named Panstarrs showed an object traveling immedieatly ahead of it yet still very much in the comet’s coma so it couldn’t be debris as deprise would not project ahead of the comet as this black object did.

I suspect that was to show us the same kind of thing that was photographed by the japanese to be  with hale bopp comet that the U.S. airbrushed out of their hawaii photos and covered up when it was surfaced on art bell’s show at the time fearing more people would commit suicide becuse of the Heaven’s gate groups “laying down of their human bodies” not because of the companion object but in the timing of the comet in combonation wtih their 22+ years preparation that started essentially on 1/1/1973 – 40 years before this 2013 anniversary which is when Ti and Do first got a chunk of awakening. The Next Level doesn’t have “time”. But they do have schdules but they are in “events” they schedule using the planetary bodies they design to function they way they do as the earth is their hothouse to grow souls on using human vehicles as their “footstool” to “deposit” their type of “seed” into, called a soul to grow it to become a Next Level member if it chooses to follow the program which is actually like a God Astronaut training program in a new society of beings that thrive on being apart of these projects forever while humans and earth’s come and go along with the human spirits that they don’t salvage from an earth that’s in need of recycling which is about to happen in the next couple decades to degrees but will not annialate all the humans and the earth will repair itself from all the damage humans have done to it.

I could list the comets and near miss asteroids  that came out of nowhere last year and the year before that but I’ve already dumped more than most can stand so I’ll restrain myself. I don’t know if the Next Level will repeat this coming march (their exit anniveary with a near miss asteroid and comet or not) as all they do can be under the heading of that “angel flying in the midheaven – midst of heaven”.

I guess my vote is that they were not ordinary so called meteors and that’s why they are being called fireballs a relatively new term becaus they don’t behave like meteors really.

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2016/02/01/more-spacecraft-shoot-downs-fireballs-january-2016-videos

Q and A – Ti and Do’s Information – Hard to believe, saturated or burnt out on it at times – all normal

January 17, 2015

I was asked to have a personal meetup with someone who has been interested in Ti and Do’s information for a number of years and who I have had communication with. I told him I’d keep it in mind. Below is our exchange. I wondered if it might prove useful to others. He is listed as “M”.

M: Thank you, I would understand if you declined, I know you’ve mentioned in the past with talking to people who seemed genuine but had ulterior motives. Either way I look forward to you releasing your book.

I find myself thinking about hg more and more as time goes on. I have a great deal of difficulty understanding the blue book, but from what I can understand as well as what I watch I find myself so drawn to it.

Sawyer: As you know I joined with Ti and Do in 1975. In 2000 when I began to re-awaken that brought me back to reading and watching Do on the tapes, etc. I was amazed how many things they said and did went right over my head at the time. It’s like there are layers of understanding all they say. Often when I’d read I’d overlook one or two words here and there, that when I would go back to I stop at and see a new angle, I guess because it’s like a picture and one can only really see a certain amount of detail if their brain isn’t atuned to yet. I used to think I had pretty good comprehension and they would encourage us to re-listen to their taped meetings often and as I was always busy with an assortment of tasks, I sort of put re-listening to tapes on the back burner as not really needed for me.

Ti told me in a note once when she delivered a note to each student that contained what we each needed to work on that otherwise “would keep us off the spacecraft”. I don’t know what anyone else’s note said but mine had three things on it: 1) Likes to be seen as something special, 2) A little too pleased with self and 3) sarcastic with humans. #3 came from some of the confrontations I had with employers in kitchens when I was a cook as that was the only interface I had with what we called humans, those who were not trying to detach from the human kingdom at that time, at least in the accelerated way we were attempting to do. Some of the cooks would start swearing and talking down to the waitstaff and the other cooks and even throw things, especially during the peak times when the pressure was on and I would be too “cool” and sometimes would comment to cool down or laugh off the pressure and all that did was infuriate them more. That’s what Ti was referring to I believe. I came across to them as sarcastic.

But #2 – a little to pleased with self, really rings true to me now more than it did then, not necessarily applicable now more or less than before but because of what I just reported about the way I thought while in the classroom I didn’t need to re-listen to the tapes, with the implication Ti was saying that for others more than for me. My ego was inflated and there were other huge signs that I couldn’t see then but now I can. I believe all humans have a certain amount of ego. It’s normal and it’s encouraged and if we don’t we’re considered lessor so it’s also competitive. So, the best advise I can give is to re-read, re-listen to tapes. It is a “self” stimulated degree of brain washing, I guess one could say, although brain washing to me is getting rid of misinformation from our thinking and acting relative to what the Next Level values. So I guess listening to tapes over again would also be getting rid of misinformation which would be part of absorbing more and more of Ti and Do’s MIND – words/info.

Even these days, I get filled up with Next Level information at times when I re-read and re-listen to things Ti and Do have given us. I know I’ve had about all I can absorb when I start to disbelieve or doubt or feel my belief or commitment/faith/trust in them is being challenged. It’s because it take a huge effort to embrace their realities and depending on how much of our mind energy we are giving away daily has a correlation with how much energy we have to gain consciousness that is above human. That’s where the entire idea of waking the kundelini force comes from, except applied to heightening SELF instead of purging self, which is required to be a prospective member of the Next Level (though we still become a SELF after graduating the human kingdom but even more so than humans because Self for humans consists of many inputs from discarnates throughout our lives and of course our relationships and society in combo with the genetic tendencies our vehicles inherit at birth.

So when I feel that negativity rises I stop reading or listening and give it a rest until I feel my thirst build again. And that’s the beauty of giving service to Ti and Do by disseminating their information to others – when we do and especially when there is a genuine draw as you are doing with me now in looking for help in your walk, I get to give away that part of my mind that was given to me by Ti and Do and that makes more room for me to receive more. It increases my thirst to know more. If we just study all the time we get saturated and need to give it away to receive more. I believe it’s given away in any form but it’s most given away when there is a draw for it and for me that comes from the various internet communication mediums we have, whether it’s in a comment on a news site about a story or whatever, though if I am just giving my opinion about something that I can’t relate to Ti and Do then I’m not freeing up space or as much space in our Ti and Do mind reservoir that can be defined as the “soul” container/pocket. And when we give Ti and Do’s info away it’s making more room for more which includes better understanding of the same info we are giving away. As we progress in this walk it only really continues to work if we continue to changeover our energy flow from lateral – between fellow humans and vertical – to the Next Level Older members. If we try to do both – continue human behaviors and grow our Next Level mind in our soul container it ends up eventually making us crabby and a host of other negative characteristics as we see displayed among many and especially many who are religious. They get intolerant, impatient, self righteous, misunderstanding, arrogant, etc. even though they are talking about what Jesus said. Many religious and spiritual and of course atheistic people as well can seem pleasant and kind and gentle, until you cross them in the smallest of ways and they can then turn very, very ugly fast. Maybe I’m getting off subject but that’s where the thread has taken me.

M: Thank you for sharing something so personal with me
I find myself feeling instead for a few weeks but soon burn out

Sawyer: And as I’m writing all this to you, I was reminded why sometimes, even often times it’s not better to talk face to face. I don’t know about you, but when I’m with someone trying to talk like I’m talking now, I can hardly focus because I am so distracted by my influences interacting with your influences. We all have them. They will challenge eveything I say and what ends up happening is I spend tons of time qualifying to satisfy the thoughts the influence is feeding me that you may be thinking about or may not be – doesn’t matter – that I don’t actually stay “in tune” with my Older Member’s mind. When I’m in my protected environment as now I’m free of most of that as the influences don’t know what I’m saying. I don’t think they can read -lol – but I”m serious, but they can decipher words because it’s part of their program they developed while living as a human as it’s all about frequencies and the “hearing”. Eyes also distract. I have to often look away from someone I’m talking to, to focus because the eyes not only absorb light (data) but give it off as well and in that way also influence the other. That’s why Ti and Do told us not to lock eyes with one another unless you were talking to them about something specific. Then you would look at the person you are talking to but we are still influenced from doing so, which is why at one time Ti and Do had us wear hoods that had silver screens for eyes to see through as it was an experiment to not be influenced by anothers face/eyes, etc.

M: I’ll be reading than think how can I believe a word of this…

Sawyer: yes, i understand, the same for me at times. Ti and Do taught that those were influences, whether it was all the time or not – it works to think of it that way.
Do said at one time that not a day went by that he didn’t question his own sanity, but even though he couldn’t deny that he had to push past that because he knew it was more true than anythng else.

Do compared hanging on to this truth as hanging on to a cliff by your fingertips but not giving up.

When he said that, I remember thinking…it doesn’t feel that hard for me.

It wasn’t like I was disbelieving him. It was more like I didn’t see how it applied, so that is a degree of disbelief, but was because of my ignorance, because I had little idea of what I had left to conquer.

I was too full of myself in a subtle way. I don’t think anyone would have said that about me really. It was subtle but deep seated so when it was brought to a head late in 1993, I took a nose dive and could not even want to recover so eventually had to leave.

M: I can imagine living with the class full time lent no moment to feel burnt out
Or if it did those feelings may have been hard to deal with

Sawyer: You are right I think, at least for me and I’d say for many but I would call it saturation. Ti and Do were very, very aware to not give us too much at any one time so meeting were rarely more than an hour long and we rarely had them more often than every 3-4 days. Ti and Do told us we needed time to absorb what they gave us. And by the way, that’s why they also gave us things to do to distract us. Television shows – trips to the movies every week or two in the last years and other outings to zoo’s, museums, restaurants a couple times each a year maybe. We had exercise machines and took long walks most everyday. At one point had a tennis court and often had a swimming pool. We had birds during one short time period. We sang psalms as a chorus around a couple christmas times. We had great menus though sometimes challenging.

Sawyer: We made deserts for every night. Ti and Do were not against pleasure but for their program they needed to be the ones to design the pleasures we had and how often and the degree.

They often assigned us to take naps although they also experimented with sleep patterns with us, but mostly they were short lived. For instance for a couple weeks we lived on sleeping 2 hours and then up for 4 hours each day. Then we had 6 hour sleep periods but settled into 6 as a minimum and 8 as a maximum with an occasional requirement to stay in the bunk for 9 hours. If we couldn’t sleep that whole time we were instructed to lay there and meditate or just be quiet.

Open minded? How open are you really? The winner gets a free Luna-tic-on the Moon award!

October 23, 2014

A regular critic of most all I say and believe and consider said they were anything but ridged when it comes to the examination of new information which peaked my interest in exactly what this person did believe about certain topics. Here are the topics I’d like to get his but anyone’s input on. Some are very general but we can add our favorite examples pro or con to the criteria of believable or not. And if I haven’t covered some you’d like on the list add it as a comment and I’ll update the list and include a post of your comments as well if they are serious:

1) Spirits – Is the idea of a software like structure emanated from mammals possible

2) UFO’s – are they all swamp gas and/or drones or weather balloons or ball lightning or secret government programs or from vivid imaginations or is it possible some could be extraterrestrial

3) Space aliens – do they exist and if so how could they get here and if so why would they be here and what is the abuction phenomena all about and why do some of the autopsy’s reported/leaked show no organ systems or atrophied reproductive organ systems.

4) Government coverups, “wag the dog”  or conspiracies. (e.g.the reasons for the war in iraq, the billions missing from the pentagon budget right before the financial meltdown, building 7’s collapse, the curving bullet, osama bin laden’s quick burial at sea to support his islamic beliefs of a quick burial, the entire wtc attack scenerios, what is behind the global financial meltdown, etc.

5) the now dozens of un-explainable observations in space that are all assigned “camera glitch” or stock pseudo explanations of. (e.g. comet ison did survive it’s sundive, the object photographed by Japanese Space Observatory with Hale Bopp Comet, the object photographed with “pan starrs comet”, the mercury sunflare uncloaking of some type of man made looking object, the tiny planet with larger objects in orbit of the tiny one, the comet that lost it’s tail, the comet with no coma, hale bopp with three tails and a double nucleus scientists still regularly meet about to find answers as the nucleus objects are in orbit around one another.

6) Comet Siding Spring’s alleged dive into Mars and that large object below it that showed a reflexion of light off it in the direction of mars.

7) Are there space satelittes with all these cameras and if so why let the public see them.

8) underground base building for the elite to have a place to run and hide – is it happening or not?

9) Human or equivalent beings elsewhere in the universe?

10) What is a comet? For over 100 years they were described as “dirty snowballs”. Can we believe the pictures taken from Deep Space probes that show them to look like powered machines with a rocky casing.

update add on: One open minded claiment said they were dirty snowballs so he loses the luna tic on the moon award. Here is the pic of comet hartley that if you investigate you will see SCIENTISTS SAY THERE IS NO ICE ON: Cometa-Hartley2

11) Is there a legitimate science called metaphysics that has to do with organized electromagnetic properties operating against various biological frameworks?

12) Whose side do you take between Einstein and Boehm on whether the eye is not only a receiver but a transmitter? Substantiate your answer with some evidence logical or otherwise.

13) Do thoughts exist in a measurable waveform? Is it possible that humans can pick up other’s thoughts?

14) Are the organs of a body and the organs of the gnome inside each cell evidence of intelligent design of biological organisms.

15) Are computers evidence of intelligent design?

16) Are descriptions in the Bible records and other records of “cloud of light”, “whirlwind of fire”, “chariots of fire”, flying humanoids as in the case with Jesus’ levitation above the sea and into the clouds both after his exit of the tomb, evidence of high technological transportation systems or just figments one’s imagination.