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Critique of Daily Mail article 12-15-2019

December 20, 2019
Here is an article that seems to be something reconfigured from the past to which I have followed with my commentary as there are many things said that are misleading and even outright wrong, so read them with a grain of salt until you read what I have to say about it, if you want to get a more objective picture of what’s true. To go right to what I wrote search for Sawyer:
Ex-Heaven‘s Gate members still ‘connect‘ with 39 victims
https://stockdailydish.com/ex-heavens-gate-members-still-connect-with-39-victims/
Posted by SDD Contributor on December 15, 2019 at 9:26 am
EXCLUSIVE – ‘We still connect to the Next Level‘: Surviving members of Heaven‘s Gate cult say they are in with 39 victims of mass-suicide who all believed they‘d be ‘transported to a higher level in a spaceship‘ 20 years ago.
When first responders answered a 911 call to an upmarket suburban California home on March 26, 1997, they could never have expected the shocking scene that awaited them: 39 bodies, carefully arranged, laid out under purple sheets, each person’s feet bedecked with trendy black Nike sneakers.
The unforgettable crime scene images would soon be seared into the public consciousness as it emerged that the deaths were the result of a mass suicide by a cult known as Heaven’s Gate – who believed they were travelling by space ship to a higher level. Videos recorded by wide-eyed leader Marshall Applewhite, 65, are still instantly recognizable 20 years later – as academics, the public and authorities still wonder about the largest mass suicide on US soil.
The website for the group, which ran a web design company, remains active to this day, maintained by two surviving members who provide information to people curious about the Heaven’s Gate beliefs – although they insist, as the 20th anniversary of the deaths approaches Sunday, that the group does not persist.
‘The Group came to an end in March, 1997,’ they wrote in an email to DailyMail. ‘There is nothing to join but the information is timeless.’
When asked whether they were still connected to or in with their deceased former comrades, however, they said: ‘Yes, we are still connected to the Next Level, when they are’ – without elaborating.
The website masters are reportedly a couple who left to get married, which was against Heaven’s Gate rules, but retained their association – and shared beliefs – with the group, even allegedly fighting to take possession of the items the late members left behind. They refused to confirm this information to DailyMail or divulge any other personal details. They did, however, say that they look forward to being reunited on another ‘level’ with the members who departed this world in 1997.
‘We hope to have the opportunity sometimes in the future but we do not know when that will happen,’ they told DailyMail. ‘Probably in our next reincarnation on this planet.
‘The simple understanding is that there is a real, physical level above the humans one here on earth. It is not a spiritual existence. It is real individuals, in real bodies, in real crafts taking care of the issues of their planet. The Next Level, as it is called, created this planet and all the life on it. The Next Level are the care takers of not only this planet but all the systems of the universe.
‘From that, all the other understandings follow. They periodically come down to this planet to check in on this civilizations development. The last time they took a very close up observation, in human form, was from about 1972 to 1997. The time before that was 2000 years ago. At those times they talk to those interested about the opportunity of the Next Level and how a very select few can enter into it only after a long period of transition and instruction.’
And while the cult’s unorthodox belief system and mass suicide shocked the world in 1997, it had been decades in the making.
The cult first began when Applewhite, a divorced father-of-two and son of a preacher who had tried his hand at everything from acting to running a deli, met nurse and middle-aged mother-of-four Bonnie Nettles in Houston in the early 1970s. They shared an immediate bond over their mutual interest in both biblical theology and the occult, and they began cobbling together their own belief system – eventually deciding that they were the ‘two witnesses’ mentioned in the Book of Revelation. They believed they were prophets for a God who was really an advanced extraterrestrial, that individuals could advance to an evolutionary level above human, and that the world would one day be ‘recycled.’ The pair believed that Jesus had been sent on a similar mission by this same celestial being.
On New Year’s Day, 1973, they set off across the country to share their beliefs and eventually garner hundreds of followers from across a vast socioeconomic and geographic spectrum. They left their former lives behind, including their respective children; during their initial travels, they ran out of money and would stop at blood banks for cash or routinely skip out on bills. At one point, Applewhite spent six months in jail in Missouri for auto theft after renting a car and simply driving off with it – before Do and Ti eventually disavowed stealing.
They distributed fliers and even took out newspaper ads as they continued their cross-country proselytizing mission, picking up followers along the way. The group would shift in name, belief system and number over the years, but always under the leadership of Applewhite and Nettles, who called themselves Pig and Guinea, Bo and Peep and, most famously, Do and Ti – in a fantastically close, platonic relationship. At one recruitment meeting in Los Angeles, they reportedly said: ‘We are The Two prophesied in Revelation. God has sent us here as an experiment, so you might call us Guinea and Pig.’
Members were kept to strict regiments as the group moved across the country, sometimes living at campsites, other times renting houses with funds often taken from a follower’s trust fund. Anyone joining was required to leave behind family, friends and possessions (although the trust fund made the cut) and to abstain from sex, drugs and other worldly pleasures; by the time of his death, Applewhite and several other male members had been voluntarily castrated. Everything was regulated, from their communal clothes – including underwear – to the length of their bathing time (six minutes using one gallon of water) to the size of their pancakes. They were allowed to work regular jobs in their areas of specialties outside the commune, however, generating more funds for the cult – and at the time of the suicides ran a computer company.
Applewhite and Nettles believed they would be killed for their beliefs and rise again three and a half days later in a ‘cloud’ or UFO, after which the world would be destroyed.
The group was never targeted or threatened by the government or anyone else, however, skewing their predictions of achieving resurrection through murder. Nettles instead died from cancer in 1985, again shaking the core belief system. Applewhite altered his ideas and came up with a new revelation after astronomers sighted the Hale-Bopp comet and, in November 1996, a photo emerged which appeared to show an object trailing in its wake. Applewhite announced this was a spaceship which would pick up the remaining followers if they cast aside their earthly bodies.
At the mansion the group then shared in Rancho Santa Fe, California, a suicide pact was formed.
Over three days, the members consumed a mixture of vodka and phenobarbital poison with pudding or apple sauce, then tied plastic bags over their heads. Each was dressed in black shirts and sweat pants, brand new black-and-white Nike Decade sneakers and armbands reading ‘Heaven’s Gate Away Team.’ The bodies all had a five dollar bill and three quarters in their pockets along with packed luggage at their sides.
As each shift of followers died, the remaining members removed the plastic bags and arranged the bodies before taking their own lives. The final death shift consisted of two members, left with no one to remove the bags or neatly array the bodies.
The victims ranged in age from 26 to 72. Some had been in the group for 22 years; others had left and come back when their outside world lives hit speed bumps or they simply continued to feel the Heaven’s Gate pull; others had been members for just a few years. Some were parents who, like Applewhite and Nettles, had left behind their children. Some members were dreamers and drifters, while the occupations of others ranged from bus driver to ex-paratrooper to paralegal to journalist.
They were discovered by another Heaven’s Gate member, Rio Di Angelo, who had planned to be the 40th body discovered in the mass suicide – right up until a few weeks beforehand, when he claims to have woken up with a feeling that he had something yet to do on Earth. So he left with the Applewhite’s blessing, he said, and after the suicides received a package with a videotapes and a map to the home where he would find them. He got a ride to Rancho Santa Fe, went inside and then alerted authorities.
The group had planned meticulously before they ingested the fatal concoction, making ‘exit’ videos explaining why they were making the decision – as well as preparing a press release for the media.
‘By the time you receive this, we’ll be gone – several dozen of us,’ it read. ‘We came from the Level Above Human in distant space and we have now exited the bodies that we were wearing for our earthly task, to return to the world from whence we came – task completed. The distant space we refer to is what your religious literature would call the Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom of God.
‘We came for the purpose of offering a doorway to the Kingdom of God at the end of this civilization, the end of this age, the end of this millennium. We came from that Level, that time, that space, and entered this one. And in so doing, we had to enter human bodies – which we did, for the most part, in the mid-seventies.
‘Now it was time for us to leave those bodies (vehicles) – bodies that we borrowed for the time we were here (by previous arrangement) for this specific task. The task was not only to bring in information about that Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human, but to give us the experience of working against the forces of what the human evolutionary level, at this time, has become. And while it was a good learning experience for us, it also gave all who ever received knowledge from that Kingdom an opportunity to recognize us and this information, and to even move out of the human level and into the Next Level or the Next Evolutionary Level, the “Kingdom of Heaven,” the Kingdom of God.
‘The Kingdom of God, the Level Above Human, is a physical world, where they inhabit physical bodies. However, those bodies are merely containers, suits of clothes – the true identity (of the individual) is the soul or mind/spirit residing in that ‘vehicle’. The body is merely a tool for that individual’s use – when it wears out, he is issued a new one.
‘No one can enter the Kingdom of Heaven by trying to live a good life in this world, and then, thinking that when this world’s life takes your body, you get to “go to heaven.” The only time that Next Kingdom can be entered is when there is a Member or Members of that Kingdom who have come into the human kingdom, incarnated as we have, offering clarification of that information.’
The website maintainers told DailyMail that they had been in the group for 12 years and ‘joined immediately after attending a meeting that Ti & Do held. Their truth was undeniable.’
They said interest continues in the group’s complicated belief system mixing traditional theology with its sci-fi-esque tenets.
‘We get an average of about 10-12 emails a day,’ they said. ‘They come from all over the world. We sell several books a year and give away about 40 or so free VHS tape sets. There is no dominate geographic area. More tapes and books go out domestically because of the cost of shipping internationally. The demos on this are very diverse.’
Survivor Rio Di Angelo, who was selected to discover the Heaven’s Gate bodies, also continues to espouse the group’s beliefs and remains in occasional with the website moderators, they say. To coincide with the tenth anniversary of the suicides in 1997, he released a statement, insisting: ‘I’m glad to be alive and planning to stay that way. I have a wonderful life with purpose. I am alive NOT because I rejected anything about Heaven’s Gate. I am alive because I have discovered something so extraordinarily important to the world that it needs to be passed on to you in its most true and accurate form from ME.’
He went on to explain the tenets of Heaven’s Gate, saying: ‘When there is a Representative from the Level Above Human (Heaven) here on Earth, you will be drawn to Him and His mission. You then will be taught the final lessons in a type of finishing school. These important lessons enable you to know how to create a Soul. A Soul is different than a Spirit. A human Spirit is Earth bond only. A Soul is “you” conscientiously choosing to evolve into a new creature that has the non-human ingredient needed for transition into the Level Above Human.
‘That Representative becomes your teacher and is the only one who can usher you into the higher level of existence. He knows how because He’s done it before.
‘This is my understanding of the mission that Jesus started. This is why He was here and said he would return.’
Confirming his three-year membership in Heaven’s Gate, he said: ‘I know everything worth knowing about them and I can say with absolute, undeniable certainty, that Heaven’s Gate was indeed “The Second Coming of Jesus.”’
He said: ‘I am against suicide and so was the group. What happened to Heaven’s Gate was an “EXIT,” “The end of the Spirit reincarnation process and the beginning of life as a Soul in the Level Above Human.”
‘They “EXITED” their bodies (vehicles) and are now with their Guide and Teacher in the Spirit world (the Valley of the Shadow of Death) helping mis-guided Spirits before their ascension.
‘I am here to bring you the truth and to clarify information for you to examine. Also, to help with understanding the next steps, after the “Second Coming,” if that is your choice. I am not here to convince you to do anything or to believe any of this. If it speaks to you, use it. If not, go on.’
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Sawyer’s critique:
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These are my corrections and additional explanations to this article.
1) There are no “surviving members of the Heaven’s Gate cult.” There are only former student members like myself and others and like these two webmasters who are managing the web site. All former members are dropouts who failed to make the steep qualifying grade to have remained in the group, though at the time we each left the group, whether voluntarily or not, because these two were dismissed because they didn’t want to follow the instructions and lesson step that was labeled “I could be wrong” that was designed to eliminate one’s dependence upon self by recognizing that wherever a decision needs to be made, one’s opinion might be wrong, relative to what the teachers TI and DO would choose to do.
This is a lesson to learn because working in a crew on a physical spacecraft laboratory of different kinds and sizes, with some as large as planets, Next Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human Members are crew minded and they love it (just like many humans love being part of a great team). DO described the crews as being like a Star Trek crew minus human behaviors and ways, thus no sexuality as they don’t procreate (nor die) nor are there gender roles or comparisons because they have no gender. They have outgrown gender and sexuality both in their Mind and in any kind of identity with the human physical vehicles they took over while a student working towards Next Level Membership. Ti and Do referred to a human vehicles sexual and/or gender identifications as “plumbing.”
This stating of “I could be wrong” designed to use a phrase like that in front of or behind or in the middle of any statement of opinion was the lesson step mechanism that by exercising was overriding the vehicles self confidence in it’s opinion and that lesson step was not something these webmasters wanted to abide by so DO had each of the student in the group at that time express to these two that they were being dismissed from the classroom until such time that they wanted to abide by that lesson step, when they could return. Their choice to not abide by it was not any worse relative to those Classroom teachings as my choice to not accept DO’s help because of the way I gave into sexuality with myself that I wasn’t conquering to the degree I needed to, to qualify to graduate into the Next Level. Each dropout had their own lesson step they didn’t choose to work on at the time they were in the classroom. The only difference between these two webmasters and some others was that they didn’t directly choose to leave the classroom where I did and others did over the years. (However, there were 19 students who Ti and Do sent out of the larger classroom unit that numbered at the time about 100 students, which happened in the fall of 1976. Some of those found the Classroom again in the early 1980’s by seemingly coincidental circumstances, so rejoined then).
Since these Two still believed in TI and DO as their Older Members from the Next Level, but didn’t want to rejoin when they were given the option in 1994 that I witnessed, when DO was ready to leave he asked them if they wanted to do some tasks for them. They didn’t know at the time what they were planning. I did know of the planned exit, as DO brought up the premise of taking it upon ourselves to exit our vehicles (by our own hand) directly in late August of 1994 after we finished about 9 months of public meetings across the U.S., after having increased our numbers by almost double the 24 members we were down to by mid 1993. (However some left after that so the numbers ended up at 38 students plus 4 who laid down their vehicles lives in the year or two after the large body of student did with DO in March of 1997.
Yes it was the Souls of the vehicles who upon completion of their task of overcoming the behaviors and ways of the human kingdom – aka taking full control over the vehicles they had a hand in choosing from the vehicles birth that would be taken on board a spacecraft that was close on hand. However, they all preferred for it to go a different way, they said which is why they packed bags for travel and had a tiny bit of money on each of their possession in case TI (DO’s Older Member, aka DO’s Heavenly Father in religious terms) chose to take them with their human vehicles, like in case TI wanted them to do a task somewhere else on earth that required having a human vehicle. DO didn’t know what other usage TI would have for their human vehicles since it’s the Soul that graduates into Next Level Membership. Ti and Do had taught years before, even in the late 1970’s that another way they might exit the task is by the Next Level taking our human vehicles and putting them on a table on a spacecraft next to the new Next Level dense physical vehicle they were going to be awarded for their efforts so the Soul could be moved into the new vehicle. By the way the New physical vehicle would not be one made of human like flesh. It would be grown on a vine to adulthood (as there are no children vehicles in the Next Level). Another way they talked about exiting our vehicles could have been by their being killed by humans who hated them for what they were teaching, like an irate Christian who could see them as antichrist, though they would be totally wrong as what Ti and Do taught and did was 100% in line with everything Jesus taught.
Jesus instructed his closest students that they must lay down their vehicles lives while in service to Him and His Older Member (Heavenly Father) He was operating as One with, though his Older Member (named TI this time) was a different person. He described their doing so in the same way He was demonstrating by telling the truth about the Next Level’s reality to those who didn’t want to hear the updates who as they hated Him would also hate them for speaking.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Here Jesus was talking in such a way that today if heard people would say he was promoting suicide. Humans think that humans killed Jesus and they did but only killed his human vehicle and weren’t able to kill his Soul that then healed the vehicle enough to demonstrate that it wasn’t a spirit his students saw. TI said that it was characteristic for a Member of the Next Level (Soul) to heal a human vehicle that became damaged in 3 1/2 human days if that’s the task they had to do. TI didn’t have that task as TI knew from the beginning that she was here to get DO started and then would go back. When TI would tell him this in their early years together he wondered what she meant by going back. They at first thought they would go back together. DO said he couldn’t imagine TI was meaning she would go back to be with her human family again. So at the time he put that idea on the back burner. When her vehicle died and TI didn’t try to heal it DO knew then what she was referring to – her return to her Next Level station on a spacecraft to oversee the completion of the task DO was to finish without his Older Member’s physical presence. TI’s exit is demonstrated in Revelation 12 as DO told us the Woman was TI and as is described about TI’s exit would occur by the “earth opening it’s mouth,” an old expression for going into the grave/dying.
So DO was preparing for whatever option Ti chose to take and as we know that ended up being allowing them to go through that difficult step of laying down their vehicles to the vehicles death – all knowing that they were not their vehicles, knowing because of previous experiences of those Souls that were with Jesus (DO’s previous incarnate task) that the death of the human vehicle was not the death of the Soul. To humans without that experience it seemed like they were committing suicide but to them suicide would have been to not go with the instructions DO received from TI on how to exit when the time was determined to do so. DO and Crew wrote that They taught that for a human to kill their own vehicle is much different as humans as well as TI and DO’s classroom members needed their human vehicles to learn lessons through but that they were done with their lessons.
They wrote that for a human to commit suicide was wrong, a waste because they didn’t want to deal with hard lessons would be short circuiting their progress towards graduating into the Next Level at a future time. It doesn’t mean that someone in the human kingdom who commits suicide does not get saved for another lesson time, but by committing suicide they flunked out learning all the lessons they needed to learn.
2) Saying ‘We still connect to the Next Level’ if that’s all they said about it, is misleading. There is no direct connect. At best it’s like picking up the telephone and knowing Their address/phone number – in this case, the distant deep space “heavens” and knowing who they are trying to contact – TI and DO, and leaving a “voicemail” asking a question or asking for strength to conquer an addiction or asking to learn the truth about something or asking how to be of greater service and then hanging up and then putting out a repeated effort to discover/identify answers to those questions that mostly will come through what are seen as normal human channels, like in the news or from people we know or don’t know, or by having an ideas of something to do or try that might yield answers. Answers would never be something that would harm ourselves or anyone else in any way to do but will always be things to do that are reversible and even be things that may show us that we asked the wrong question or could show us that what we were asking for is not really what we want and/or need. When They respond to us, we can have a sense of their reply through these ordinary channels but we won’t be certain it’s Them responding. There won’t be voices in one’s head telling us to do or not do something though one can have a feeling in that regard. I believe it is possible when asking to get a sense of an answer right away.
This is also applicable to anyone. Jesus taught it as the Lords Prayer, meant to be an outline of how to talk to the Next Level (Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the literal heavens). It was meant to be a private petition for help in some way not to be made into group prayers that just bolster people’s sense of being holy in appearances.
Now if someone doesn’t know the “address” (deep outer space) or to whom they are seeking an answer from, as Jesus instructed directing our petition to “our Father in the heavens” there are any number of spirits – discarnate – deceased human minds that love to step in to be someones’ “god” or “jesus” because they died believing they were in that role to other humans as intercessors so they continue to try to operate in that way in the discarnate condition. That’s why we hear of people saying Jesus or God told me to do it, even some horrible harming of another human being. An answer would never be inconstant with the behaviors and ways taught by the Next Level through their incarnate servants over the millennium, mostly through Moses and Jesus in this current civilization but potentially through a different part of the experiment as seen in Hinduism and/or Buddhism for example.
3) It was a purple shawl draped over each of the deceased vehicles of those Students not a sheet. That event was about the only time over my experience of being with them for 19 years that symbolism was used in that direct kind of way for the sake of those who would discover their vehicles. They didn’t spell out what the various symbolism was in the use of the Nike (slogan: Just DO It) sneakers. By the way the word “nike” in the New Testament Greek, means, “to overcome, conquer, gain victory over” the human kingdom “world” as Jesus taught was required for everyone who was to experience a “Spirit/Mind Birth” which is what I believe we all were witnessing happening.
4) It’s a misguided opinion without evidence for the writer of this article to say it was a “crime scene”. The San Diego Chief of police and the coroners office both said there was no evidence of fowl play. It’s was eerie for them but peaceful and they left a number of statements and video footage “exit video’s” where most all of the student members of the group said something about what they were about to do and how it was joyous to do so (as hard as that is for many to  accept, I can attest that they were telling the truth about the way they felt and how DO carefully spent years making sure each student was fully cognizant of what they were doing. There was no coercion, no pressure, no guilting, no carrot held before them (in a way that was a lure). In fact it was contrary to that. It was hard to stay in the group though not because the difficulty was that apparent, except for those that had doubts they didn’t choose to combat. There is a great deal to say about this, some of which is outlined in my blog post:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/
5) The “higher level” was described by TI and DO as The Evolutionary Level Above Human, The Kingdom Level Above Human and in short The Next Level. It was compared to the human evolutionary level scientifically (physically and mentally) with the way there is on earth a Mineral Kingdom, Plant Kingdom, Animal Kingdom and Human Kingdom to where the Human Kingdom was not the end of “evolution” (not Darwinian evolution). They taught that the human kingdom was designed to be a “stepping stone” into membership in the Next Level. They described the Next Level as physical and many membered but not as many members as in the human kingdom. They said their numbers were in the thousands. Members are actually graduate Souls. A Soul is a container that is of a plasma like physical consistency (unlike a Spirit that is etheric – a frequency construct). Souls are deposited into selected human vehicles that were picked to be a match for a returning Soul’s lesson requirements to qualify to graduate the human kingdom. There are different types of souls and all souls that are deposited don’t survive the process to graduate. One type of Soul is deposited in selected human vehicles who are going to host a returning Soul that had grown some in a previous incarnation while with an incarnate Older Member like Moses and/or Jesus, while another type of soul is deposited for a first timer entering the program during the time when one or more Older Members is in the flesh (incarnate).
There are humans right now, following the 1997 exit who have received Souls, perhaps even one of either type who are able to take their next step towards graduation that wouldn’t take the shape of laying down their human vehicles by their own hand because the Older Member isn’t physically present anymore to know whether that is right for them to do. That’s why Suicide isn’t supported by the Next Level as we need to have our human vehicles to proceed with our overcoming lesson steps that are right for us now. Suicide for us would be not taking advantage of the opportunity to learn difficult lessons while in the human kingdom. No matter how someone dies their spirit and/or soul is judged by the Next Level as to when and where their next opportunity to graduate will be. Next Level Members are very fair but it’s never a human vehicle that graduates into Next Level membership. It’s always the Soul that graduates. Upon entrance into Next Level membership, each graduate is awarded a newly grown dense physical vehicle (not dense like human flesh is dense) that is grown on a vine (like a plant) to maturity. There are no children vehicles in the Next Level though there are Older and Younger Members. Time is not the determination of Old or Young. Experience is what defines an Older or Younger Member. Members don’t wear their experience like humans do, like in the military with hash marks and ranks but Members can recognize an Older Member among them as it’s a quality of Mind they feel. I can relate to that in what I felt from TI and DO. It wasn’t what they said that identified them to me as Above and Beyond Human (though that was part of the conscious recognition). I subconsciously felt their Above Human Stature. That can be explained as the Soul having both been helped to have that recognition and/or having gained that recognition from a previous lifetime of experience with an incarnate Older Member. Souls come with a “chip of recognition” (like a computer chip that has certain programs that provide a certain amount of identification of what is true – what makes sense that another human may not have or may not have awakened to yet but that anyone who wants to have it can be given if they ask for it, so no one is left out from growing towards Next Level Membership).
6) Some media have reported that the ones running the Heavensgate website were “surviving members” but that was an erroneous way of describing them. To be a surviving member means they would have left the human kingdom with the 39. Those left behind by their own choices (including me) are not necessarily going to survive the recycling. TI did say that all [Souls] who came back with them would return to the Next Level’s keeping to have another opportunity to be in a human or human equivalent kingdom to finish their overcoming process. That might take the shape of being “saved” “on ice” DO called it, though said that wasn’t literal ice. It’s true there is no group anymore though there are new believers who DO left instructions for how to grow further with the overall requirement to be “saved” from the upcoming recycling being:
“In order to get saved for further planting, the overriding requirement is to recognize that this is true (these are the facts).  You must believe that we represent the Kingdom that created this planet and all of its inhabitants.  And you must be willing to take a stand in defense of that belief, and sustain that stand until the end – your departure – regardless of the consequences.”
This is not the complete formula to qualify for graduation into significant or elementary service in the Next Level after a student’s vehicle dies. That formula is stated as:
“The formula is the same now as it always has been.  To begin a metamorphosis in order to be born into the Next World, you must abandon everything of this world (just as the caterpillar about to become a butterfly must do).  You must separate and begin to wean yourself of all mammalian ways – ties and addictions – replacing them with the ways and behavior of a more advanced and refined level of life.  You cannot do it by yourself.  You must seek, to the best of your ability, the guidance of a Representative who is a member of that kingdom, who has been through the metamorphic process at a previous time, and who has been sent with the specific task of midwifing newborns.  Or, at very least, you attempt to connect with an active “student” of a present Representative.  This is an extremely rare opportunity, as we approach the End of the Age.  There is a tiny remnant left of a window for catching the eye of the “caretakers of this world.”
(These quotes came from the Heaven’s Gate Book, ‘How and When “Heaven’s Gate” (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered’ in the document entitled, “”Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure” written on TI and DO’s behalf by the elder student named Jwnody (June-ody)).
7) The two webmasters are not saying enough in my opinion to more accurately portray the Next Level Members relationship to Their planet earth experiment for growing Souls upon by saying; “They periodically come down to this planet to check in on this civilizations development.” The truth is that the Next Level is constantly working with the humans on their planet though only periodically send their Older Members and Crew to incarnate to help move a Class to it’s next lesson steps. When Representatives come they don’t just talk to those who are interested. They prepare individuals (Souls and vehicles) to recognize the Older Member by His words and vibration so they can move forward a step towards a graduation. They are very busy the whole time. There is nothing casual about it as they seemed to imply by saying they “check in”, It’s a major project.
Yes “few” are selected but many are called (said Jesus) but the time period of receiving instructions isn’t automatically assumed to be long as the Next Level never holds anyone back (as humans do one another) so some can grow very quickly.
In the current civilization this took the shape of three trimester periods starting the first trimester (before that was the prep time for the first trimester) during the time recorded as Moses and the Children of Israel (the Overcomers).
The second trimester was when the graduation formula was laid out by Jesus – separating from human family and giving all one’s Mind, Heart, Soul and Strength to the Next Level through the most currently incarnate (present) Older Member, in our case now to DO (who TI instructed students to make our commitment to, as she said she came to help get him started).
8) DO said that the only thing He and TI had in common at first when they met was a “love for their Heavenly Father”. They didn’t then go about “cobbling together their own belief system” – ideas came to them individually but at the same time that when they compared notes on those ideas they matched.
At first in 1973 they each realized they (Their Minds) each came from The Evolutionary Level Above Human, a physical many membered kingdom (in the records described as The Kingdom of God in the literal heavens (outer space)), and were here on earth to take over the human vehicles prepared for Them to, “bring updates to the Bible” and to “fulfill prophecy”. It was months later through seeking and searching that they recognized the prophecies they were to fulfill were outlined in the Book of Revelation, chapter 11 having to do with the Two Witnesses.  Ti originated the short phrase of “Next Level” because for humans it was their next step in evolution (not Darwinian) by their efforts to abide by all the Older Members taught and demonstrated in Next Level behaviors and ways.
Years after having a classroom DO told us that TI was the “woman” in Revelation chapter 12. Other than that they didn’t teach from the bible at all though would occasionally mention something Jesus or Moses taught. They said we could trust the records of what Jesus said in the four “gospel” accounts because a Next Level Crew worked very hard to make sure his words were still accurate for our benefit.
TI told us that DO was the same Soul who performed the tasks of: Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus.
TI and DO taught that every Member of the Next Level was a “God” relative to humans because the Kingdom of God was a kingdom level above human with the comparison of the relationship of a dog to a human – a kingdom level of differences. Jesus described this same idea saying that among humans John the Baptist was the greatest human but that the youngest member of the Kingdom of God was above him. (I surmise that the Soul in the vehicle named John the Baptist had not yet graduated into adult membership in the Next Level before that time but was more experienced than any of the other of his students so was given a different task from the others appropriate to his needed growth).
TI and DO did say that the most experienced Member of the Next Level was the “Chief of Chiefs” but that we wouldn’t begin to understand more about where he came from until we were in the Next Level because the human brain wasn’t capable of understanding that. DO said that TI was Chief Administrator of the Earth project which they called an “astronaut training program” for Souls. (Souls are physical containers, DO at first called a “pillow case” or a “pocket” and then in 1994 compared it’s physicality to being “like a plasma” state of matter.
9) I believe it’s misinformation that Ti and Do and/or students stopped at blood banks and/or routinely skipped out on bills. It’s possible that some of those early would be students in 1975 stopped at a blood bank but that wasn’t necessarily approved by TI and DO. I have a lot of reasons to think it wasn’t approved by TI and DO. Here’s some of the reasons I say that. When the group I was in (at a time when groups had very limited contact with TI and DO in those early days in 1975 and 1976 we sometimes went into dumpsters behind a grocery store or donut place to find food that still looked good. When Ti and Do later found out about that, they disapproved entirely as I suspect they might have said about going to blood banks. Our instruction then for meeting our food and gasoline and sometimes shelter needs during that remaining  6 or so months of our public meeting period of time was to “test churches” because the churches claimed to be working for God that included feeding the hungry when asked and we were working for God and so should be given help in that regard. They never told us to ask for money. No pan handling or selling roses or anything on street corners as the Moonies did. We simply would go to a church, find a pastor and ask for help with our needs of food and/or gasoline to continue our mission and/or lodging if need be (though we were equip to sleep outdoors in tents in the decent weather).
re: DO’s felony conviction:
The charges against DO were dropped. They rented a car using one of DO’s old credit cards he still had with him but wasn’t using til then. When they didn’t return the car on time it was reported stolen. TI and DO said they sent letters to the rental car company explaining that they would pay for it (though they didn’t know how but were so taken with their task they hoped the Next Level would help them in that regard). When the rental car company got the car back they dropped the charges but the DA in St. Louis knowing of their unusual story decided to take up the case to make easy points for his  re-election bid (DO felt). After 6 months in jail DO’s case was to come to trial and DO was offered a plea of guilty or go to trial and take his chances. So he coped a plea because it meant he would get out of jail right away since the sentence was 4 months and he already served 6 months. They never approved of stealing and They regretted renting the car but felt they had instructions to do so. Perhaps the Next Level wanted DO to appear to be a “thief in the night” as it said would be the modus operandi of the return of “Jesus” in his new incarnation with a new name.
re: the accusation of “skipping out on bills”; there is only one indication that this may have happened. When TI and DO were out of money and were traveling in late 1973 the report was that they stayed at a motel somewhere east of St. Louis before they rented the car. This was reported by the motel owner who said these two alleged to be TI and DO left a note in the motel room that said something about how the motel owners were helping members of the Kingdom of God. TI and DO never told this story but they didn’t tell every little thing they did in those early years to everyone in the class necessarily. The note they left when I looked at it did make me suspect that TI and DO wrote it but I could be wrong.
10) The group never “shifted in name” nor “belief system”. Some things they believed at first changed but not entirely. In 1997 they still believed it possible they could be picked up with their human vehicles by a spacecraft and preferred that exit rather than laying down their vehicles lives. One can also see this thinking in their packing a travel bag, I suspect with the idea that if TI wanted to take them with their vehicles (and even heal their vehicles) they would be ready to be given another task on earth. TI and DO had once talked about tasks Next Level Members could have on earth. There was a report one time of two people going into a café or something like that in the 1970’s and they were reported as looking very strange and described as wearing a clothing fashion from the 1930’s which made them stand out. TI said if those were Next Level Members that crew needed to do a better job with getting more up to date clothing.
11) By the time we were living in houses, trust fund monies had dried up and about a dozen of us got jobs in the world to pay the bills. Yes we were required to leave all behind but that didn’t mean bring no money with us. They also needed cars since the modus operandi was to go city to city holding public meetings that lasted for about 9 months starting in August of 1975 though for TI and DO can be shown to have lasted for the 1260 days described in Revelation chapter 11 re: the time period the Two Witnesses would be speaking publicly.
Bathing time was 12 minutes not 6 minutes – it was 6 minutes on the shower side and 6 minutes on the lavatory side.
TI and DO ran the organization like a laboratory as if it was on a Next Level physical spacecraft like a Star Trek crew without human behaviors and ways, so no sexuality nor children to take care of nor personal likes and dislikes as we all needed to become crew minded so yes there were many procedures that developed over the years including the size of a pancake a crew was making for others.
TI and DO used the human daily needs of our vehicles for the lab lessons. In a Next Level laboratory every detail of what we do and how to do it can be very important to the successful fulfillment of the task. Having standards like in pancake size became important to have a consistent experiment. Food was thought of as fuel not as something to gain a sensuous experience from preparing or consuming, though they wanted it to be prepared well and to be tasty but they were the lab instructors and we were the voluntary students so these things were not a negative in any regard unless a student was rebellious in which case perhaps that was a sign they didn’t want to be in the group and at times some such procedure became the straw to break the camels back, so to speak, so that someone chose to leave, sometimes in the middle of the night since there were no locks on the doors to exiting and no one watching everyone all night long.
12) The timing of the recycling was never talked about nor used as a threat or made into a prediction, just a reality that was upcoming as the experiment is completed and each human has decided what they believe or not before they die.
It didn’t matter to most of the fully dedicated to TI and DO students (such as myself) that the “demonstration” might not happen, when they told us they felt the being killed in the street prophecy took place when the national media broke the story of the disappearance of many people from the Waldport, OR meeting and subsequent rumors abounded as to where they went and whether they were abducted and/or to be killed. I was among the Waldport followers and we were never in harms way in the least. So TI and DO, then Peep and Bo names were seen as evil abductors of people, hence when they learned of their human vehicles names were crucified by the press on national TV by Walter Cronkite and all the networks as charlatans, etc. When TI and DO told us of this change in interpretation of the shooting in the streets scenario they understood if people didn’t want to follow them because the demonstration of resurrecting a first was a big part of what they expected to demonstrate. But for the most part, including me, it had no bearing on my wanted to follow them. They never actually dropped that there might be a demonstration and DO even wondered if our holding public meetings again in 1994 saying this time that DO was the return of the same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named “Jesus” would stimulate some irate Christians to bring about our exit from our vehicles as happened 2000 yrs ago. That might still happen as I speak in December of 2019 and thereafter by the hands of govt and/or religious and/or by atheists as this tribulation time period escalates. Already there are democrats writing laws to make it a criminal offense to refuse to vaccinate. How much will that movement grow?
13) TI’s vehicle’s dying in 1985 didn’t shake the “core belief system” of most of the students and shook none of the students who laid down their lives in 1997, nor mine at the time since I was present for. I recognized TI and DO right from the start as a number of students in the exit video’s said. That recognition was very real though can’t be explained by the often primitive human sciences because many of those folks don’t know that there is a spirit/mind and/or Soul that is very real that exists before and after it’s in the flesh experience. It’s similar to the idea of reincarnation but not exactly as there aren’t a set number of souls that exist who return over and over as there is a genetic Spirit that develops from each new human vehicle that grows from it’s genetic and environmental starting mind/spirit from ancestors through parents and care givers and then from society. They don’t really re-incarnate except for the way a computer software program can be developed on one computer and then moved to another one, which is taking place for all humans as the hardware having many spirits time sharing each new human biological computer system. The only reality to reincarnation is when the Next Level brings Souls back to take over new human vehicles to continue their lesson plan to graduate the human kingdom. Jesus taught this would happen upon his return which is still in progress since TI and DO evidence being the teaching part of that return with DO fulfilling the task as the return of the same Soul who was in the vehicle named Jesus in the 1990’s but when he had his students do all the talking about so didn’t change the public prophecy period of 1260 days in Revelation 11 as one of the Two Witnesses with his Older Member (Father) TI.
The media portrays TI’s leaving her vehicle before they initially thought would happen as some big shaking up of students and for a few perhaps it did so they left but for the core strongest students it was somewhat surprising but didn’t shake their core beliefs at all or they would have also left. We actually had notice this might happen in about 1983 when TI had her eye removed which was said to be cancer then. TI and DO by then had already prepared the class for their potential departure before us though they still thought they would both leave together.
What’s interesting is how Revelation chapter 12 outlines the classrooms start to finish in 1997, to now even and that during that time period the “woman” (who DO said was referring to TI) would be helped to escape the flood of negativity from the Luciferian (dragon) Space Alien Fallen Angel Souls which includes all the humans who were sending negativity to her and DO by “opening it’s (earth’s) mouth” – a saying related to someone dying and being buried:
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
A “flood” represents the negative thoughts and feelings being sent to her by humans and Space Aliens against them from all over the US and world even. It’s interesting that after TI left her vehicle he felt like he then knew what TI had said to him in the very beginning that “I’m here to get you started and then I’m going back” was referring to her leaving her incarnation ahead of him. So TI knew it though didn’t know how it would play out. They said all along that their vehicles would die and that they would resurrect. They at first thought their resurrection would be public but knew by 1978 that it might not go that way. (I have three witnesses to these things I am saying now).
Then in verse 12:17 it implies the woman is no longer in the picture and that the testing is being put upon her “seed” – those “she” seeded – deposited with Soul containers, which includes DO because DO got his membership in the Next Level through TI (who he recognized as his Older Member, not because TI told him so) which completes the real trinity of Father to Son to Student via their Holy Spirit/Mind that is like the blood of all members of the Next level to be the instruments of.
14) DO (Applewhite) didn’t alter his ideas – He actually said that TI “burned out her vehicle” dealing with the world’s negativity the included from Their students and of course from the loved ones of the students that were sending such negative thoughts to them.
The Hale Bopp comets arrival with or without a companion object was not a “new revelation” at all. In fact DO said it was the “marker” He and TI had been anticipating since at least 1975 to pick them and their qualifying students up. (DO (AppleWhite) never said the alleged companion object was a spacecraft. What he said was that it was irrelevant whether it was or was not a spacecraft – that the comet was the “marker” for the timing of the exit they had been planning since 1975 and in earnest since 1994 since he knew by the human responses to the second period of about 9 months of public meetings around the US that they wouldn’t be exiting their vehicles because of irate Christians who would see them as the antichrist.
15) They weren’t wearing “armbands”. They were patches which read “Heaven’s Gate Away Team”.
16) Rio, in the group named Neody wrote in his book, “Beyond Human Mind – The Soul Evolution of Heaven’s Gate” that he never intended to lay down his life but was waiting until the last moment to leave. (He knew of the plan from just months after he joined in around March of 1994, because DO talked about it several times before I left the group and then they prepared to leave thereafter over the course of 2+ years, thus saying he “had planned to be the 40th body discovered in the mass suicide” seems to be misinformation in this article or something Rio didn’t recall in his book. They (we) were in the San Clemente warehouse “craft” in September of 1994 when I recall DO bringing up the prospect of leaving by our own hand (for the second direct time).
Here’s what Rio says in his book “Beyond Human Mind – The Soul Evolution of Heaven’s Gate”: (speaking about when DO asked us whether we’d be willing to exit our vehicles by our own hand on page 48 Rio writes)…
“I went along with the idea and possibility of DO being the “Second Coming” just for learning purposes. I knew that leaving the body behind was not for me but wanted to stay until the end.”
Yes he left with DO’s blessing but not to perform another task because DO waited for him to instigate wanting to leave. Thus DO recognized that TI knew of Rio’s plan, but since Rio still wanted to serve (like the webmasters did) DO felt to have him shop the movie they had been working on and let him be the one to find the bodies (though they also sent instructions to Rkkody (I think it was) about their exit plan), in case Rio changed his mind. I never heard that Rio got a map in the mail. He lived in that house for some months so I doubt he wouldn’t have known how to find them but I suppose DO’s crew could have sent him a map to cover their bets or in case the instruction fell into someone elses hands. Even though that was all unlikely to go that route DO was covering his bets to be thorough about how it might work.
17) re: the part of the report citing Rio’s statements:
Everyone on earth will not be drawn to a future incarnate Older Member from the Next Level any more than all humans were drawn to TI and DO in the 70’s to date. Their classroom in the future will only be a “finishing school” for those who have gone through the “process” of overcoming their humanness. DO said that even some of the 38 students who laid down their human vehicles lives would need to return to finish their overcoming. We humans – students of the Next Level Older Members or not nor Space Alien Souls know how to create a soul”\ or how to destroy a soul. Only the Next Level can create a Soul or destroy a Soul. A soul is a container created by the Next Level. It has a plasma type of physicality and is deposited into selected human vehicles that the Next Level determines can be a “match” for the needed growth of returning Souls to qualify to graduate the human condition through. What we do create is what we choose to do with the Mind/Spirit – information, behaviors and ways provided to us from the Next Level that can grow our soul but it always remains an option and all don’t succeed and it during this civilization was structured to occur over thousands of earth years, a short time in the Next Level since they are out of time.
Rio was mistaken to say “I know everything worth knowing about them…” as I can attest to, there is always more we can come to know about Them – TI and DO. No one on earth knows everything worth knowing about them. Rio said in his book that he didn’t know if DO was the return of the same Soul as was in Jesus. By the 10 year mark after they left it seems he changed his mind about that, which is fine but he also said things at that 10 year mark that was off track, some of which I pointed out to him. Like he said he had a “ticker tape connection” with DO but we never and TI and DO never had a ticker tape connection. That portrays a connection that is very exact and it’s not that it couldn’t be. It just seemed too certain and even TI and DO had a check and balance system to their connection before they would determine an instruction having come from their Older Member.
TI and DO always said from the start that they were not “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the human vehicle prepared for an Older Member Soul to take over to perform that task through. For the teaching part of the task that vehicle was not coming back. TI and Do stated in a statement they wrote in the back of the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary that Jesus would return as part of the 7th and last “closeness” where they TI and DO were the Ones who returned as the 6th Closeness. That 7th closeness would seem to be depicted in Revelation chapter 19 that Christians often think is the description of the entire return, since no one seems to get that the Two Witnesses are the Father and Son both returning for the teaching incarnate period where the final return is not a teaching time according to DO. It appears from Revelation chapter 6 that there is a time upcoming when people will see DO’s “face” in association with even an armada of spacecrafts in the near heavens – to see with the naked eye, like the biggest comets can be seen. When that occurs depending on how apparent it is and how many people can actually physically see it and understand it seems to be based on who comes to know about TI and Do since their exit in 1997 and thereafter. Otherwise some might see the Armada in the near heavens as Space Aliens or Humans or as cgi because before that it seems DO thought the Luciferian space aliens would trick many humans with holograms like Fatima to try to steal souls from seeing the truth.
DO did go public as the ‘Undercover “Jesus”‘ in his publish of a document with that title to a number of newgroups on the world wide web in 1995 that I believe was the 6th Thunder (roar) as forecast in Revelation chapter 10. The reason Jesus was in quotes because the name is the name given to the human physical body He – The Older Member Soul took over to perform his task for his Older Member (Heavenly Father (not incarnate then)) through. He was undercover because no human would know it was him unless they were prepared by the Next Level to recognize him since humans can’t ordinarily see a Soul nor can necessarily see a spirit/mind – discarnate with occasional exceptions in part.
I don’t believe the Christian phrase “Second Coming” is over until the recycling is fully underway so I don’t know what Rio is referring to by saying he can “help with understanding the next steps, after the “Second Coming”…’
Any steps any of us can take now are laid out in the Heaven’s Gate Book and/or through the Beyond Human – The Last Call video tape series and in the hundreds of internal classroom audio meeting tapes that are available for free download in different ways for those that ask Carlan (Crlody – Classroom name) or me – Sawyer – (Swyody – Classroom name). My email address is: sawyerhg@yahoo.com
I also have a facebook page: sawyer.heavensgate and a blog: sawyerhg.wordpress.com and a youtube channel where I do weekly livestreams under the channel name: 3spm

TI and DO Classroom Meeting Transcript Links

December 4, 2019
The Heaven’s Gate Book contains the transcripts of the Beyond Human Video tape series
Here is what I have that’s been posted on my blog:
TI and DO Audio Transcript 005 – Program for Perfect Health by Meditation to Eliminate Stress
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/13/ti-and-do-audio-transcript-005-program-for-perfect-health-by-meditation-to-eliminate-stress/
TI and DO transcript #53 – Lessons on Following Instructions as a Member of the Next Level Would
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/05/12/ti-and-do-transcript-53-lessons-on-following-instructions-as-a-member-of-the-next-level-would/
TI and DO transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/05/06/ti-and-do-audio-transcript-215-re-establishing-the-committal-05-09-85/
TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA – 5-22-94 parts 1 and 2
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/24/do-audio-transcript-combo-mt-cross-ca-parts-1-and-2-5-22-94/
Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled – transcript from Do’s videotape
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/
TI and DO – #95 – Listing Our Task – 02-14-1984 (audio transcription)
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/29/ti-and-do-listing-our-task-02-14-1984-audio-transcription/

Jesus-Rebuilding Temple in Jerusalem, Hiding, Miracles, Abandoning Children, When Two Witnesses Come

November 28, 2017

Here are comments on my blog post on Pineapple Street Media’s Heaven’s Gate podcast episode 5, with my responses:

You are ignoring a lot of scripture. The prophecies of Rev can’t happen until the temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt and the temple is in full operation (eg sacrifices, etc.). And that is literal — there is no way around it. He was referring to the temple in Jerusalem. He wasn’t playing funny with the words. So the two witnesses haven’t appeared on the scene yet — they can’t. Countless thousands upon thousands have thought they were “the two” over the millennia, but the bible is crystal clear.

Also, Jesus absolutely loved children — he wouldn’t have abandoned his children. Also, Jesus didn’t hide scared like Do did most of his life — hiding from the cult awareness network exactly as a cult leader would do.

Do didn’t perform a single miracle for us either. He didn’t perform any for you, too. He didn’t cure the blind for instance. Ti said that the cancer would never kill her (“mark my words” she said).

Sawyer’s responses:

The only things Jesus said in regard to rebuilding the temple was referring to the temple as his body that he would rebuild in 3 days:

Mar 14:57 And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying,
Mar 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

He did rebuild his human body.  It was referred to as his healed or glorified new body because it had new characteristics that he demonstrated having shortly after coming out of the tomb.:

Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

This is the second time Jesus demonstrates making his body visible and then invisible.  Perhaps this is where the book/movie by H.G. Wells, The Invisible Man, came from. Ti and Do said the Next Level influenced movies and books to help humans wake up to their realities.

Ti and Do taught that this was a characteristic of that model of a Next Level grown physical body. They said they can also do the same thing with their physical spacecrafts.

Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Jesus wasn’t recognized by his disciples at first until he began to talk.  That’s because they recognized him by his Mind/Spirit and/or his voice. When he first came out of the tomb, which was before this account, he told Mary Magdalene who was there and saw him not to touch him as he needed to go to be with his Father first but would be back.

Ti and Do said that his metamorphosis was completed at the time documented as the Transfiguration. In other words it was after that, that he could repair his own vehicle.

Curiously, the Greek word translated to “transfiguration” is metamorphoo and actually means “changed into another form” or to be transformed or changed.

Ti said that it’s a characteristic of a Next Level Member to be able to heal the human body that was killed in 3 1/2 days.

(Note how Ti didn’t go along with scripture in saying that as 3 1/2 days when the quotes from all the verses in this regard state it as “3”.)

He also said all those stones that make up the temple (sacred place) would be thrown down, which has happened several times and may still happen again before it’s all done.

Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

That sounds like a recycling is scheduled as DO talked about a bit.

There were two Greek words used to denote the temple:

3485 naos {nah-os’}
from a primary naio (to dwell); TDNT – 4:880,625; n m
AV – temple 45, a shrine 1; 46
1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure) 2) any heathen temple or shrine 3) metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ

2411 hieron {hee-er-on’}
from 2413; TDNT – 3:230,349; n n
AV – temple 71; 71
1) a sacred place, temple 1a) used of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus 1b) used of the temple at Jerusalem

He was said to be in Jerusalem for the usage of the former of the two but not necessarily for the later of these two definitions as it also meant a “sacred place”.

In any case it is spelled out that use of “temple” referred to his body, the writers thought and that’s not without evidence but one has to go to Paul’s writings to find it.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Further, Jesus said that Jerusalem would be left desolate. Jerusalem was both the “city of the Children of Israel” – the people who became the dedicated students of Moses and Elijah and then Jesus and the geographical location:

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The house was referring to that “household, the dwelling place for those who were the Children of Israel. In other words, the returning Souls would not be coming into Jewish vehicles thereafter is one of several ways that can all be accurate to witness.

Desolation=
2048 eremos {er’-ay-mos}
of uncertain affinity; TDNT – 2:657,255; adjective
AV – wilderness 32, desert 13, desolate 4, solitary 1; 50
1) solitary, lonely, desolate, uninhabited 1a) used of places 1a1) a desert, wilderness 1a2) deserted places, lonely regions 1a3) an uncultivated region fit for pasturage 1b) used of persons 1b1) deserted by others 1b2) deprived of the aid and protection of others, especially of friends, acquaintances, kindred 1b3) bereft 1b3a) of a flock deserted by the shepherd 1b3b) of a woman neglected by her husband, from whom the husband withholds himself
.
So the only way the Middle east Jerusalem would “see him”, which also means understand it’s him is if some are blessed – given the opportunity by the Next Level to see someone who comes “in the name of the Lord” thus someone who is to some degree a student.

Incidentally, DO and his two primary “Helpers,” Lvvody and Jnnody took a trip to Israel sometime between late 1994 and their exit in 1997 as reported by Rio (Neody) in his book, Beyond Human Mind. While I was still there DO talked about going there, even taking the entire class but it never felt right to do then as that was in the early 1990’s. DO reported upon returning that he didn’t feel there was any Next Level Mind left there – thus it became dry of the capacity to have some “fruit” growing there.

Next Jesus says the Kingdom of God would be given to a new “nation…”:

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Nation =
1484 ethnos {eth’-nos}
probably from 1486; TDNT – 2:364,201; n n
AV – Gentiles 93, nation 64, heathen 5, people 2; 164
1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together 1a) a company, troop, swarm 2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus 2a) the human family 3) a tribe, nation, people group 4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles 5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians

A Nation can refer to one or all of the following: a country and a people and an ethnicity, thus the Jewish people were not slated to experience the return as their development had gone astray.

Re: “thousands” of Two Witnesses:

I don’t know that “countless thousands” have said they were the Two Witnesses but perhaps that’s true but Jesus said before he came there would be many who claimed to be prophets and/or false Christs (false Christians?), even using his name – Jesus.

But the Revelation doesn’t start with the Two Witnesses. They only come on the scene during the 6th Angels Trumpet Sounding. That means there were 5 soundings before they come public to speak inspired by God, the definition of to prophesy.

Further we have evidence that there was planned a new Jerusalem both as an ethnicity and location:

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The word Spiritual here comes from the Greek, pneumatikos which is defined as “non-physical” by Strongs. Thus these listed areas will not be the same physical areas they represented when this was given.

Since we know Jesus’ physical vehicle was killed in Jerusalem, there is also to be a new “Jerusalem, Sodom and Egypt”.

Sodom comes from Cdom and it means “to scorch”;burnt (i.e. volcanic or bituminous) district and also was said to be near to the “dead sea” which was dead because it’s many times saltier than ocean water.

Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when they, their bodies – their human reputations were shot down by the national press all over the US. Las Vegas is fairly close to the Saltan Sea in eastern California in a desert (scorched area). Egypt represents the greater area, defined as “two straights” or “two streets” which can depict two paths – or Two “Waves” in DO’s term, with first starting by Ti and Do’s Two Witness task and overcoming process and the second started by DO and crew from 1987 to 1997 as the return of the One who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus – seen by the world the most as Heaven’s Gate Cult, DO called the Cult of Cults and the Cult of truth. These two waves can also be seen as the First and Last harvest periods with the Last started AFTER their exit, during the time of the Seventh Trumpet sounding, thus now as described by the opening of the Seven Seals (Affirmation Periods/revealing of the remaining information related to their history in scripture – that was in the backside of their BOOK (Rev 5:1) and the Little Book (Rev 10).

Apparently Los Angels area was to be the new “city of God’s “children” (angels)” (non physical location where the Two Witnesses are subdued and exit) – southern California. Their first meeting was in North Hollywood in April of 1975. Isaiah referred to Jerusalem as the “valley of vision” – it’s at the bottom of the San Fernando Valley. Pop culture even referred to girls growing up there as “valley girls”. San Francisco comes from St. Francis of Assisi. Ti said that her spirit guide helper was named “Brother Francis” and came from the the movie, Brother Sun Sister Moon about St. Francis who went against the mainstream church.

Ti and Do were never slated to be “killed” but they were slated to bring on their own death of their vehicles but that was only going to happen after they were first “subdued”, said as “overcome” in most translations but not the primary definition:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

overcome = 3528 nikao nik-ah’-o from nike 3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively):–conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.

Notice it’s “to subdue” which is also what each student needs to accomplish against their human vehicle and it’s influences. Notice how the Greek word is “nikao” from Nike so even wearing Nike sneakers can have some application to their defeat of their vehicles humanness.

Plus in several places where these Two are revealed there are indicative scriptures of their student body being with them, which is why they came in the first place to collect and bring through their
Spirit/Mind “birth canal”.

The “and” between overcome and kill is a nondescript time period. and “kill them” comes from the Greek “apokteino auto” which is more accurately translated as “separated (or taken away from, or exiting) [by] dying themselves” which is how they exited, seen by much of the world as suicide.

Even so, perhaps when Jesus returns as Ti and Do said would happen during the Seventh and Last “Closeness,” that was not to be a “teaching time” again but to receive to him those who affirmed themselves as his students by becoming students of Ti and Do, while they were incarnate and/or after they exited, the Jewish/Christian/Muslim temple mount in the geographic Jerusalem will be rebuilt and then brought down again. Jesus final return is described most in Revelation chapter 19.

So the new temple, altar and court areas are respectively West of the Mississippi River – Western U.S.,(~1260 miles square), The Southwestern U.S. (where they came by crashing spacecrafts and where they exited from Escondido, both sacrificing their physical vehicles (as introduced in the Moses 1st Trimester Classroom) and the East of the Mississippi River US, Canada, England, Ireland, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand areas (primarily) and any other areas in the world where Ti and Do’s information was brought and made some impression on some. (All these areas mentioned were where DO and Crew put ads in new age periodicals in 1992, though their internet activity was global wide.)

So the temple is both one’s vehicle they are trying to make into only the instrument of God, but is also the physical area where the Older Members and Crew come incarnate and deliver their teachings primarily to and juxtaposed over that physical location is the Next Level’s spacecraft, “heaven” that is removed from the planet during the 6th Seal opening and a new one is installed after the Judgement hour (~40 years) is up and all have chosen to whom to give their allegiance, between the Next Level Above Human and “Mammon” – what human seed bearing plants consider to be their wealth and treasure as shown in their allegiance to the BEASTS – the US and the EU.

On Abandonment of human family:

But Jesus did say that there would be some of his disciples who abandoned their children would receive a hundredfold in relationship to their new family that Jesus said he had consisting of his students.

Mar 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,
Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Having a New Family of fellow believers:

Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Jesus did hide until he got instructions to lay down his life in Jerusalem:

Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Mar 7:24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.

The nature of the task was to hide enough to gather the Souls into their vehicles to become his students again. That’s why it was said he comes as a thief in the night, where night has to do with what Ti and Do called “undercover” which is in a large way accomplished by coming incarnate so no one can see their Next Level Mind unless they are given to see it and do the work to see it.

Ti and Do hid so their classroom wouldn’t be interfered with before they had completed their task. Today it would be harder to hide the same activity as more people are suspect of every little thing that’s different and investigators can easily find anyone who legally works and lives and pays bills, etc. That will only get worse as days pass. We actually knew of several efforts to try to find us with the idea of pulling an adult out of the group as was happening to other cults. They also had several notifications that the FBI was looking for them – once because they wanted to question them regarding the rash of Cattle Mutilations in the western US in the early to mid 1970’s as with a number of mutilations a UFO was sighted nearby.

Miracles:

It’s interesting that Jesus didn’t consider miracles to be “signs” saying that the only sign would be his resurrection from the dead. He tried to keep the healing he did secret until after he left. There is no indication in prophecy that the Two Witnesses nor “Jesus” do any miracles. In fact there are a number of indications that if we saw miracles they were done by the lower forces, by the BEAST.

Here Jesus is speaking about the time of his Kingdom’s return:

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

The word “wonder” comes from Greek teras and also can be defined as: a prodigy, portent or miracle.

The wonders/miracles were to be shown upon his return but they would all be in the literal heavens – outer space while signs or markers were to be shown on the earth but would be described as “blood (bloodshed, from famine, disease, war) and fire (lava, forest fire, drought, radioactivity, anger) and vapour of smoke (volcanic ash?)

If we see miracles now they are not from the Kingdom of God. Here is a key set of examples generated by “another beast (poisonous human mammals)”:

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

wonder and miracle= 4592 semeion {say-mi’-on}
from a presumed derivative of the base of 4591; TDNT – 7:200,1015; n n
AV – sign 50, miracle 23, wonder 3, token 1; 77
1) a sign, mark, token 1a) that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known 1b) a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence, transcending the common course of nature 1b1) of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen 1b2) of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God’s

Ti and Do said that miracles like Jesus did were not given when a student could still graduate.

However, there were some accounts in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary that Ti and Do had special powers. In one they were said to just disappear when someone turned their back. When Ti and Do read that account from Hayden Hewes they laughed and said they just walked off.

Also when Ti and Do were driving on a mountain road and the car behind them was obnoxiously wanting to pass and when they finally did gave Ti and Do the finger, Ti and Do later saw them off the road, crashed into a ditch, though they didn’t wish any harm to them but it does go along with one of the descriptions of the Two Witnesses to have that power if they chose to use it.

I believe I recall DO saying some 90% of the miracles attributed to Jesus were “exaggerated.” He indicated that would generate only a temporary false sense of faith.

True faith comes by putting into motion what is taught by the Older Members and seeing the changes in us and that gets carried on to future incarnations so that people come into vehicles now already having a degree of that faith where things Ti and Do say make sense to them. Anyone can gain that faith but they have to seek to have it by appealing to the highest source in the heaven’s they can reach for help to have it and see more of what’s true and real. If one doesn’t ask they don’t receive as much help though asking can take a number of forms conscious and subconscious.

Ti and Do said that Jesus’ disciples were given various powers because none of them were ready to graduate.

TI’s vehicle’s Cancer: (Commenter writes: “Ti said that the cancer would never kill her (“mark my words” she said)).”

I never heard TI say that cancer would never kill her but even if she did it would have been referring to who she knew herself to be – an Older Member from the Next Level who could not be killed by anything that would happen to her while in the human kingdom. It could kill her vehicle only.

Still, had she said that, it wouldn’t have phased me any more than I was phased by the other things that they changed along the way. I recognized who they were and still know who they are and they can do no wrong and that’s not actually a “blind faith” because I can show why it’s not blind.

Talking about Ti and Do (Jesus) in the Christian tongue is the focus of the 7th Angel’s Trumpet sounding

September 3, 2015

I happened upon a YouTube video of a play about Jesus called something like “Heaven’s gate and Hell’s flames” and saw that it was probably one of these mega church presentations and at first thought it was going to be a spoof on religion but then saw it was serious and was hard to watch knowing what I know about the truth of where what they were saying came from and how it’s such a distorted picture anymore. However, I have to feel for them as like Do said, they “hardly stood a chance”. So I left a comment exactly as below that is my attempt at interface as without this type of interface I don’t think they do have much chance of waking up to reality. I know that makes it sound like I’m a big shot so I expect to get flack even from Ti and Do believers who think I’m just trying to build myself up thinking we have a task to talk to Christians in their tongue at least in part so they can have a chance to recognize the truth that otherwise they have already classified as new age Luciferian mysticism, etc. The older folks may not be able to wake up much anymore. I don’t know of course but I have already seen how some of the younger folks may have an ear for the truth.

This is not designed. I can’t seem to design one way to say it. I also think at this time it’s crucial to helping some come to Ti and Do’s truth to bring the fact of the city on Ceres to the fore in every communication – and even showing how it’s in the Revelations prophecy for this time period we’re in, in the verse about the Green horse (mistranslated as pale horse) though it may be like “greenish” or pale green, the color of a new shoot.

So here’s the comment I left:

I just happened upon this video and I’d bet you are decent Christians but I have to give you and others a chance to see the real Jesus. I can prove that he already came and left in his phase one incarnate return as one of the Two Witnesses.

To consider this will be a huge step to take, but I know without a doubt it’s true and can support it by using EVERYTHING Jesus, Elijah and Moses and Daniel said and experienced and can bring up to date in the Book of Revelations, while you will have all the opportunity you want to deny it. The true test is whether you will ask Your Heavenly Father if it’s the truth and to help you accept it.

The other of the Two Witnesses was Jesus Father as depicted in Revelations 12 who came incarnate in a female body and went back to his station after helping her “son” become born to the throne task. They took the names Ti and Do and you could easily dismiss them for a variety of reasons you have been taught but it’s the truth and like I said, ask “Our Father” who we were taught by Jesus to pray to.

If you ask your friends and family or pastors or priests, they will not help you know of the truth I am revealing. You will be confronted with many tests but there is help through talking to your Heavenly Father to get through each one. They Ti and Do serving as the Two Witnesses were subdued (overcome) in 1975 by the national media (the mouthpiece of the beast) and then they did “exit by dying” the real meaning of the Greek apokteino in Rev 11:7 that was mistranslated to “kill” and then additional verses were translated as if they were killed adding words to round out that understanding. I don’t blame them as they didn’t know better and it took Ti and Do coming to  show the truth not by telling us how to interpret the bible, because they didn’t justify what they said and did over 24 years with the bible as they were where the bible came from so they spoke “plainly” of the kingdom and of the Father and this time the returned Jesus “showed us the Father” as he said he would do upon return with his new name also telling us the fathers name.

Do was the Rev 6 One who sat on the white horse and took his first fruit returned saints with him back into He and His Father’s Kingdom. The earthquake that followed their “spirit birth” ascension (never was meant by Jesus to think was an ascension of physical bodies) was the 9/11 attack the first fall of the new city of Babylon, New York City through the direction of the “red horse” where the horse was the human body the dragon was sitting on called G.W. Bush. The second fall was the financial crisis started by the Bush regime but put into Barak Obama’s hands, his being the “black horse” trying to balance the two camps of the republican conservatives and the democratic liberals amidst the changes in the economy still rippling through society though recovered as said in Rev 13.

We are about to see the Green horse that brings death and hell (hades=Pluto (Demeter=Ceres) and the lights on the dwarf planet Ceres NASA just has been photographing that Hubble first saw in 2004. Yes, lights and even a city or base. The people on Ceres are not space aliens.

The space aliens are the fallen angels first depicted in Rev 9:1 being let out of their underground prison cells. Those are the Luciferians – dragon, serpent – hissers – deceivers capturing the new age community and the religious and the spiritual and the atheists and the pagans all. They were grounded to earth so they are not on Ceres. Remember how Paul said that in heaven one would have a “celestial body”, the reason Jesus proved he was still physical upon coming out of the grave yet showing that he could change his vibrations of his body to appear to be invisible and could defy gravity by hovering over the sea and then rising up to his physical transportation behind the clouds at his departure sticking to the way Jehovah came and went. And remember Jehovah was also physical and proved it to Moses, letting him touch him. Members of the Kingdom of God in the Kingdom of the literal heavens are not mammals, the reason Jesus said we would have to decide who we serve (worship) between “God and Mammon”, where mammon is treasure/wealth in all it’s human facets, monetary, humanitarian, environmental, family, intelligence, artistry – all things of the human mammalian kingdom level.

They created the human kingdom as a stepping stone to membership in their kingdom but one had to overcome all their humanness to graduate and that could only be done when the Older Member from that kingdom came in carnal (flesh) to show us the way. He is the way but what that meant is doing all he said to do which included “denying self”, “taking up your cross” and “following him literally” by in the present context learning everything he (Ti and Do) said and “taking a stand for them”. Prayers to one’s Heavenly Father go to Ti and Do and their crew of graduates who are working to finish up the harvest that entails our having to go through the tribulation. When that is done He (Do, who was Jesus) comes back again but not incarnal this time but very apparent (in his glory – brightness as the sun)  but the world will see him and his armada as space aliens or die from heart failure or be hiding from HIM in the underground cities that are being constructed more and more as  we speak, that is if they haven’t begun to recognize that he came in the new name of Do. The names  Ti and Do being from the musical notes (song) came from the sound of music they felt the Kingdom of God used to help them awaken to their task.

I’ve got a huge amount of proof of all I am saying. It’s not a story I or they made up. I failed to graduate with my class but have a second chance and am providing the understanding of how to see the truth in all the prophecy and Jesus teachings speaking to you all in the tongue you most identify with though you must rise to see how it’s not as accurate a depiction of reality as the tongue Ti and Do spoke in that said the Kingdom of God was actually, The physical Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human. That’s not Darwinian evolution which is not accurate though has some merit. I hope for your sake you can hear what’s being said here. Test it but for your sake give it your best and you will awaken more to reality. But most of all ask help from your Father who is in the literal heavens throughout deep space.

Transfiguration of Jesus related to Ti saying Do had been incarnate as Adam, Moses, Elijah and Jesus

July 13, 2015

The Transfiguration of Jesus and reported meeting with Moses and Elijah

According to Ti (Do’s Older Member (Father)), Do was the same Older Member of the Next Level who started the experiment incarnate as Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus. This can be found in Ti and Do’s statement, “What is Happening in the Heavens at This Time!” that can be found in the back of the book, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” written soley about Them by Brad Steiger and Hayden Hewes from several interviews with Them. (Ti and Do weren’t happy with the book but I don’t know exactly why.)

During the event of Jesus, with his disciples, James, John and Peter as witnesses on the mountain He was reportedly “transfigured” described as “his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering”. Do said this was the point where he had reached his METAPMORPHIC completion. At some point thereafter he was seen “talking with two men” (man faced) and in the three gospel accounts the two men were Moses and Elijah which stimulated the question. (The full three gospel accounts are at the end of this post):

Because of what Ti had said, does this mean that all three; Jesus, Moses and Elijah were sharing one Soul?

I would say, No, they were three different Members of the Next Level.

Before I describe how I arrived at that opinion I want to provide some background qualifications; Ti and Do never claimed that one could count on everything that was said in the New Testament to be the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They always said the Next Level worked very hard to make sure the records of what Jesus said were preserved and reliable, as shown in a Red Letter edition.

However, since the time They said that there are Red Letters given to the Luciferian phony antichrist, “Jesus” who entrapped Saul/Paul of Tarsus, so even that can’t be counted upon entirely.

That core Jesus teaching is still very well in place though it’s mostly ignored, diluted into spiritual definition of terms or distorted, because of the way the Luciferian space alien fallen angels and those they could influence have flooded the human kingdom with wrong information. Do said humans hardly stood a chance and said Christians were among the most targeted group.

Examples of that distortion is apparant in the thinking that “Jesus did it for us”, so we don’t have to, or even to embrace ALL Jesus literal behavior and ways, suggestions and instructions (commandments) is tantamount to “trying to earn your way into heaven”, as I was often told when I was traveling church to church telling preachers about Bo and Peep as the Two Witnesses of Revelations chapter 11. The list of misinformation is very long anymore but now with Ti and Do’s teachings being revealed more in scriptural terms, the test is whether we will seek the full truth through hearing all Ti and Do said and did.

To restate that core, Jesus teachings shows that we each must GIVE OUR LIFE. This is shown by believing and trusting everything Jesus said and did, and sharing that with others, which at that time would stimulate the same response from the lower forces, through humans, as it did against Him, which would also result in the loss of a student’s human life. In so doing each student will be rewarded with eternal life in Jesus and his Father’s Kingdom, that is, if one continues through to enlist and complete the next lesson plan, when The Kingdom of God (as Jesus described them) Older Members return incarnate to provide the “process of overcoming the human world”, which involves more than “giving your physical life”. The full “Overcoming Process” will add up to a complete SEPARATION from the human kingdom roots of family, behaviors and ways and any sense of self, replacing our mind with the Older Member’s (holy) Mind (information, lessons, behaviors and ways) that in so doing, while PLEASING Them will complete one’s graft to Their Above Human Family.

Once the Older Members have come incarnate again, to ignore them and what they say will be tantamount to dropping out of any potential to complete the course. Each prospective student must know this formula of seperation from the human kingdom regardless of whether or not they feel strong enough to engage it 100%. How much of our humanness we give is up to each one of us and is between us and our Older Members, who are to date Ti and Do , even though they are no longer incarnate. They are still very much alive and aware of everyone who calls upon their names with the desire to serve them and they will help each of us to the degree we want their help.

The overriding requirement to date, to becoming a student of theirs is to  study and believe everything Ti and Do said and did and to take a stand for them and accept the consequences in so doing. Doing so will begin one’s metamorphosis. Embracing all their behaviors and ways will accellerate your metamorphosis. Looking to them for help with our every step is crutial to starting one’s bond. You will become aware of their helping you.

To try to overcome the world outside of their program, bypassing pleasing them by doing all they give us to think, say and do, is trying to EARN one’s wings without Them and is not actually possible. However, it’s not about giving all or nothing. That can be another trap to get people to avoid the entire premise. As I often say to myself and others. We’re going to give ourselves to someone and our life up at some point, like it or not, so why not decide who to give it to and put our trust in Ti and Do’s hands. They will never abuse that trust. Those that never heard of Ti and Do fall into a different category of souls and could be saved for a future opportunity depending on the Next Level crew’s judgement of what each has done and is capable of.

Now on to the question:

With that perspective, in the transfiguration account that is told in Matthew, Mark and Luke’s writings, that each provide different details of, the only thing Jesus actually says, presumably to all three, John, Peter and James is to, “tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead”. In Mark’s record he says these disciples talked about what “rising from the dead” meant, indicating that before this time it wasn’t part of their lessons to understand completely. Luk 9:31 indicates Jesus “decease…at Jerusalem” was at least some of what was talked about between Jesus and these two depicted as Moses and Elias.

Another big point in looking at anything the Kingdom of God/Heaven stimulates: Members are not egocentric at all. They are all about performing “tasks” for their Older Member, one’s “Father”, whether They are in the literal heavens, or physically present in some observable way, as Jehovah was at times with Moses, though in a cloud cover, while allowing Moses to touch him at least once. Or they can demonstrate a physical presence in the form of a voice which took place on several occasions that Jesus at least once said was happening for the sake of the students. That happend during this Transfiguration event. And yet another way They can be physically present is as described in this account where two “men” were observed who the three disciples thought were Moses and Elias, (presumably Elijah). The point here is that the Next Level are not about individuality, though Ti and Do said upon graduation we become “individuals for the first time” due to the way discarnate influences use our bodies like a time shared computer. But Members of the Next Level don’t care about seeing their name in a spotlight in some way or getting credit or being identified as someone special. They would much rather not stand out, except in how their task warrants doing so. Thus, if they give names in some way when they are physically among us in such a way that we can see them, then that’s for our sake to help us continue our growth towards birth into their Membership in the Next Level.

This brings up an important point. How did they know it was Moses and Elias? They wouldn’t have had pictures of them and we have no evidence of drawings or paintings, but perhaps all three got the same thought so regardless of how these two physically appeared, to them they were Moses and Elias.

One could believe that if they were wrong Jesus would have corrected them. I could go through all kinds of reasons to try to logically arrive at the possabilities. From my experience with Ti and Do, they didn’t give us more information unless they felt it part of their instruction to give us more. They would often say, “this works for now” – in other words it didn’t have to be 100% accurate in all it’s context – it was what we as a group needed to believe at that time. As it turned out everything they said was increasing our understanding of what was most true. In other words it’s often a test and can be a so called “straw that breaks the camel’s back” for some that are teetering in their committment. We saw this over and over with Ti and Do’s teachings that critics use as evidence that they weren’t who they said they were because of how they changed even initial seemingly core ideas. It was always interesting that to a core group of students their changes were accepted 100%. Frankly I was among them in that regard though I eventually met my challenge that surfaced a weakness in my committment so flunked a test as well. I also learned that what I thought was a 100% committment wasn’t. At the time one can’t really measure their committment anyway as one never knows when they will meet their ultimate test of that committment. One of my biggest mistakes was coming to think subconsciously that I was breezing through my overcoming. All that really meant was that I was unaware of what I wasn’t overcoming well enough as the bar can be continuously raised.

During this event, called his Transfiguration, Jesus had received something that lighted up his body. Ti and Do said this was when he had “changed over” his body into the start of a Next Level body, as after healing that body after it’s death he first met Mary Magdelene and told her not to touch him as he hadn’t yet risen to his Father. It was eight days later that he showed up in a closed up room with his disciples when he allowed Thomas to touch him so they would know it was him and that he was still a physical being, though with new facility to appear and dissappear while remaining physical and as he said “not a spirit”, but still composed of “flesh and bones” that included further proving the proof of by eating “broiled fish and honeycomb”. (Luk 24:39-43)

It’s most interesting that in Mat 17:2 the word translated to “transfigured” that largely represented some “altering” to his physical appearance in the Greek is “metamorphoo” from morphoo, the same as morphe – to fashion or figuratively form – through the idea of adjustment of parts, referring to a shape. Ti and Do said from the beginning that we were “growing a Next Level body inside our human body” referring to it as our “change over”. Ti and Do were never what one would call Bible scholors disecting every word and/or justifying what they taught by quoting chapter and verse, though they frequently would relate to what Jesus taught and said. They knew even in February of 1973, before they had fully awakened to what prophecy they were awakened to fulfill, that each of us, to adhere to the teachings of Jesus would be required to experience our own “christing” that included a separation from our worldliness and elimination of sexuality. Do wrote about this in “Statement One” first made public in March of 1975 equating the “overcoming process” to the metamorphosis of a catapillar (human) to a Butterfly (A Next Level Member that is above the student membership the fallen angels had that I believe Do equated to being what he referred to as “domestics”).

I am just pointing out the magnitude of this Transfiguration event and some of the way in which an Older Member manages their incarnate task, saying only what they feel instructed to say or what not to say regardless of it’s degree of absolute accuracy.  For instance, in 1975 Ti and Do said, “you don’t have to die to enter the Next Level”, yet they all died, so were they wrong as some say. I guess it depends on how you define “entering the Next Level”. In the first stage it seems “belief” in who the Older Members are is enough to get your spirit “saved” for a future lesson time. At that point one is in the keeping of the Next Level and unless one decides in subsequent lesson opportunities to drop out of the program and their care one will potentially graduate. But to graduate into full adult membership in the Next Level does require dying to one’s humaness in all ways, mentally and physically. Then we have the example of both Enoch who was reported by Moses as being “taken” and Elijah who was observed as “taken” and Moses was insinuated as being taken all without dying, though they had already graduated into Next Level adult membership.

It seems possible these “two men” were the same vehicles that were Moses and Elijah (Elias) but is it important that they were the same vehicles? A vehicle is to the Next Level an instrument compared to a specialized suit, Ti and Do compared to a human putting on a spacesuit or underwater suit to use for a particular task. Do said at one point in the Beyond Human Series that his vehicle had also become committed to his Next Level Mind behaviors and ways. Do also taught that there is a different type of “deposit” given to a human vehicle according to the Mind that would be taking it over (incarnating). There is a type of deposit that is not geared to become a new Soul when a returning Older Member Next Level Mind enters into it. I believe Snnody and/or Jnnody wrote about that to be found in the Purple Book. But every vehicle still has a Mind synonymous with Spirit. Some human vehicles are chosen to become the host for a new Soul that begins by their being given that soul as a “container”  deposited into the human vehicle, that Jesus spoke of as a “seed” and as the “new wineskin” that can then become filled with “new wine (mind/spirit)” that is geared to handle it rather than cause it to burst as that Mind/Spirit changes out (ferments) human mind for Next Level Mind.

Thus I guess it’s possible the vehicles named Moses and Elijah, used by the same Older Member (holy) Mind/Spirit/Soul (from Adam to Do) could have been kept alive and/or were themselves developing a Next Level Mind from so could have been brought back for the sake of the upcoming students to relate better to their appearance better. Imagine trying to describe a Next Level vehicle you saw while with Jesus if it was about 4 foot high, white in lack of coloration, a slightly larger than human head and no sign of hair with a very slim build. The people they would explain this to wouldn’t stand a chance of believing anything they said thereafter. The Next Level is fully cognizant to the need for these kinds of strategies.

The two at the tomb were called “angels” while the two that were with the disciples at Jesus ascension into the cloud were not singled out except for being dressed in white:

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

And the two that showed up in Sodom to give Lot and family a chance to escape the annialization of the city were only described as “angels, messengers, ambassadors, representatives, and men” in the account.

Ti and Do talked about how sometimes Members of the Next Level may have a task to relate to humans face to face and would try to come upon some clothing to wear that would seem normal. We had read accounts of seeing two people come into a store dressed in very out of date clothing that Ti and Do didn’t discount being Next Level crew activity. Perhaps those Moses and Elijah vehicles were just that vehicles that could function in some interface capacity. When the Next Level have a task that includes their graduation to a more sophisticated model vehicle, if it is advantageous to sacrifice the vehicle, they don’t hesitate though it’s always given as a option to the occupant. That’s what Ti and Do said happened before the start of their third trimester task. The option was given to a number who were of some equivilent service as the Luciferian fallen angels to sacrifice their existing physical body to go to earth to take over a human vehicle prepared for them to take it through the overcoming process that could result their Mind’s graduation to adult Next Level membership.

So again, my response to this question is No, it doesn’t seem the same Older Member (holy) Mind/Spirit/Soul was operating the vehicle named Jesus while operating the vehicle identified as Moses and the vehicle identified as Elijah.

Do said when he left his position on the spacecraft he put the vehicle he was wearing at the time “in a closet”. When he told us this, he also said that Ti didn’t do that same thing because Ti’s Mind had grown to be able to operate more than one vehicle at the same time. I don’t recall his saying how many vehicles Ti could operate at the same time but presumably it could be more than two. However that’s not to suggest Ti (as the one who was The Father) was manipulating the Moses and Elijah vehicles but I suppose it’s possible. However, I don’t think it’s likley as the Next Level from my experience doesn’t “concoct” events. They don’t put up fascades that I’m aware of. (That’s what the Luciferian do and they don’t sow seeds of confusion in what they expose us to. It’s just the opposite – when they sow seeds it’s geared to further strip away confusion the Luciferians sow).

ELIAS MUST COME FIRST – The same Greek word “Helias” is translated to Elias in all these New Testament verses. Jesus was even quoted while on the cross to be calling to the same Elias.

Strongs Hebrew/Greek dictionary indicates 2243 Helias is of Hebrew origin (‘Eliyah 452); Helias (i.e. Elijah), an Israelite broken down further to: “GOD OF JEHOVAH” shown by:

452 ‘Eliyah ay-lee-yaw’ or prolonged tEliyahuw {ay-lee-yaw’-hoo}; from ”el’ (410)

and

‘Yahh’ (3050); God of Jehovah; Elijah, the name of the famous prophet and of two other Israelites:–Elijah, Eliah.

410 ‘el ale shortened from ”ayil’ (352); strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity):–God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”

3050 Yahh yaw contraction for ‘Yhovah’ (3068), and meaning the same; Jah, the sacred name:–Jah, the Lord, most vehement. Compare names in “-iah,” “- jah.”

There ia a big problem with seeing these two “man faced” individuals as the actual physical vehicles and/or vehicular Minds/Spirits of Moses and Elijah, in addition to being the same name, Elias, Jesus was calling out to on the cross and the same name that the disciples on two occasions tied to John the Baptist, that was the same name that was indicated as returning to “prepare the way for the Lord” (Jesus) as indicated by Old Testament prophets, Isaiah (that Jesus often referred to the writings of) and Malachi. Malachi also indicates both a messenger and Elijah are coming back but he says Elijah returns before the “great and dreadful day of the Lord” which is often phrased that way to indicate the “day of judgement” which doesn’t take place until the END TIMES so can thereby be some additional evidence that the Older Member who was incarnate as Elijah also served incarnate as one of the Two Witnesses where there is a great deal of evidence were the Older Members, The Father and Jesus in a new human vehicle, having a NEW NAME his incarnate stage with his Father whom he would show us and tell us the name of as said in Rev 3:12.

This idea that John the Baptist was the return of Elijah came about from the opinion of whichever of Jesus disciples that summed up what Jesus had said, not from what Jesus actually said necessarily as shown:

Mat 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

Mar 9:11  And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?

Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore ((reconstitute)) all things.

Mar 9:12  And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.

Remember, Elias is “deity of Jehovah”, in other words a Member of the Next Level working for the Father Jehovah or as Do would say it, “on Ti’s crew”. It’s a task designation that an elder student is performing to represent Jehovah’s strategy, in this case of providing “preparation” to receive the Older Member incarnate as Jesus. (I actually suspect the Aurora (dawn) so called UFO crash in April of 1897 was this same kind of task – a forerunner to “prepare the way” for the return of the Father and Son and Crew in the same kind of entrance via crashing of spacecrafts to serve multiple purposes.)

Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever (they) listed ((2309 thelo= determined, desired, chosen, preferred, wished)). Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Mar 9:13  But I say unto you, That Elias is ((2064 erchomai= come, accompany)) indeed ((2532 kai= and, also, even, so, then, too)) come ((2064 erchomai= come, accompany)), and (they have) done (unto) him whatsoever (they) listed ((2309 thelo= determined, desired, chosen, preferred, wished)), as it is written of him.

Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

So once again, the disciples are adding it up for us and again it certainly looks that way but Jesus’ use of the word Elias can mean to him someone in prophecy spoken of as being a messenger rather than the same soul who performed the task incarnate as Elijah the Tishbite who evidenced being “from the Kingdom of God” as Jesus said that no one can ascend into the kingdom of God unless they came from the Kingdom of God. But “came from” doesn’t necessarily mean they are an Older Member from the Kingdom of God. They could still be a “student member” as Jesus indicated of John the Baptist (greatest among humans).

This sectoion of the records indicates some of how John the Baptist did or did not think about Jesus. It starts off referring to Jesus:

Luk 7:16  And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
Luk 7:17  And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about.

Luk 7:18  And the disciples of John shewed him of all these things.
Luk 7:19  And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
Luk 7:20  When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
Luk 7:21  And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight.

Luk 7:22  Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Luk 7:23  And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

What’s interesting is the way John was portrayed as having fully recognized Jesus when he baptised him, yet if that was the case why some time after that baptism would John send some of his disciples to inquire if Jesus was the “one” he had been looking for/talking about to coming of?

Then Jesus lays out who John is:

Luk 7:24  And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
Luk 7:25  But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings’ courts.
Luk 7:26  But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

Luk 7:27  This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

(This is where both Isaiah and Malachi referenced as a returned “messenger” to “prepare the way”.)

Luk 7:28  For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

So John was NOT yet a Member of the Kingdom of God – he was still a student messenger whereas Elijah was referenced to a “deity (God) of Jehovah” – someone who was “in the kingdom of God” thus was greater than John.

Further John referred to himself as a messenger only:

John 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Joh 1:19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
Joh 1:20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.

Here John says that he is NOT Elias (presumably Elijah – a Deity of Jehovah):

Joh 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Joh 1:22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?

But then says he is fullfilling the task prophecied as Esaias (Isaiah) which is defined as a “helper of Jehovah” which is a helper of any “existing one”, the name Moses’ Older Member gave:

(Ti and Do often designated certain students as “helpers” yet they had never graduated into the Next Level at least as adults yet.)

Joh 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias ((2268 Hesaias {hay-sah-ee’-as} of Hebrew origin 03470;; n pr m,  AV – Esaias 21; 21= Isaiah = “Jehovah’s help” 1) a famous Hebrew prophet who prophesied in the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah))

And here is the clincher that shows how John the Baptist can be both the one prophesied to “prepare the way” for Jesus (the Lord) AND be the return of Elijah, because HE HAD THE MIND/SPIRIT OF ELIJAH IN HIM:

Luk 1:12  And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
Luk 1:13  But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luk 1:14  And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Luk 1:15  For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.
Luk 1:16  And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

John goes “IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER OF ELIAS (DEITY of Jehovah)”:

Luk 1:17  And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

And as a little icing on this cake of an idea. It was Elisha who was Elijah’s “helper” that insisted on being with Elijah to witness his exit and to have a “double measure of his spirit” upon his exit.

2Ki 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2Ki 2:2 And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Bethel. And Elisha said unto him, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel.
2Ki 2:3 And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.
2Ki 2:4 And Elijah said unto him, Elisha, tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Jericho. And he said, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho.
2Ki 2:5 And the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he answered, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.
2Ki 2:6 And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here; for the LORD hath sent me to Jordan. And he said, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And they two went on.
2Ki 2:7 And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan.
2Ki 2:8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.

Here is where Elisha asks for a “double portion of [Elijah]’s spirit (mind)”:

2Ki 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.

Note how Elijah sets up a condition as his Older Member could then decide whether to give Elisha that dosage and/or whether Elisha had raised his vibrations enough to see his actual departure as the Older Member could regulate how much is visible in accordance with Elisha’s thirst:

2Ki 2:10 And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.

2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

2Ki 2:12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.

Note how this happens at the Jordan river the same river where Jesus was baptized by John:

2Ki 2:13 He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan;
2Ki 2:14 And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over.

2Ki 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.

Thus, it’s altogether possible that the Soul that was incarnate (in the flesh as carne from Latin means flesh) named Elisha was the same Soul who became incarnate as John the Baptist and could have been the same soul that was incarnate as Aaron with Moses. All three had direct relationships with Jehovah and were in an apprentise student relationship to the Older Member according to the tasks at hand. And these could have also been performed by different student Souls as it’s not about the particular Soul, it’s about the task though certain students are given the opportunity to serve when those students have shown their desire and capacity to do so for the sake of the task.

Furthermore, there were 50 students who followed Elijah and then Elisha. There were about 58 of Ti and Do’s students who were as they said, “adopted” into the Next Level family in 1977, who received the “ody” last names though that number was down to 24 when we went public in 1993 again after 17 years in seclusion, though the numbers rose again due to dropout returnees and then in 1994 new students that fluctuated again over the next couple years to end up with 38 + 4 to graduate in 1997. The point to saying that was to show how the numbers were in line all throughout each of the Older Members incarnations. Even 144,000 doesn’t necessarily mean that number as “thousand” was a term for a “family” or a myriad so the number in both the two primary harvests may be more related to 100 and 40 and 4 to graduate in some shape and form with a myriad of Souls and/or Spirits to be saved – also a graduation to their next grade in school.

2Ki 2:16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.
2Ki 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.
2Ki 2:18 And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho,) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?
2Ki 2:19 And the men of the city said unto Elisha, Behold, I pray thee, the situation of this city is pleasant, as my lord seeth: but the water is naught, and the ground barren.
2Ki 2:20 And he said, Bring me a new cruse, and put salt therein. And they brought it to him.
2Ki 2:21 And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there, and said, Thus saith the LORD, I have healed these waters; there shall not be from thence any more death or barren land.
2Ki 2:22 So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake.

And here is a direct reference to Elisha (perhaps to perform the task of John the Baptist, pouring water on Elijah, his Older Member’s hands:

2Ki 3:11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the LORD, that we may enquire of the LORD by him? And one of the king of Israel’s servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah.

So in these ways, John the Baptist was forcast to be the messenger prophecied to come before Jesus and would come “in the spirit/mind of Elijah” but not be the actual same Soul as Elijah. In this same way Jesus came in the Mind of his Older Member whom he referred to as “our Father in heaven”. That’s because when one enters into Next Level service they don’t want to stand apart from their Older Member in any way. They don’t want to be an individual. Like Ti and Do always called themselves “links” and “pipes”. They felt if they let their human mind get in the way of what was coming through them (their being a pipe), they were reducing the purity of the information – the truth which they didn’t want to do. It was automatically reduced in order to provide it to the students in a way they could receive and digest as too much too fast could be like putting too much fertilizer on a healthy plant, one wants to stimulate further faster as Ti and Do always said theirs was an “accellerated” overcoming program.

Mat 3:1  In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Mat 3:2  And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 3:3  For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

I believe we can talk about Moses in the same way Elijah was referenced in the Transfiguration account. Ti and Do felt that the vehicle named Moses that was taken by the same Older Member who later served as Elijah and Jesus and then finally in the name of Do was also “taken”. There is some evidence of this in:

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

I could see the Luciferians wanting the body of Moses but I can also see that the Next Level via Michael who evidences being the name of the same Soul who was incarnate as Jesus, etc. would really have no contest with the devil over the body so I would imagine Michael won and they took the body Moses. Again this can be confusing I know but what sorts it all out is to know that to the Next Level human vehicles are plants they use as instruments – vehicles to perform tasks. When the task is over they don’t necessarily stay in that vehicle even if they are taken into a Next Level dwelling place. Since there is no evidence that the Moses vehicle was transformed as the Jesus vehicle was I think it’s unlikley the One incarnate in that vehicle would have stayed in that vehicle unless there was another task to perform. And their might have been just as Jesus said he had another fold to tend when he left. That fold would have also had stages that I imagine would require a hands on lesson period after the Moses time period.

** Reference: Start of the Transfiguration account **

Luk 9:28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
Luk 9:29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

Mar 9:2  And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3  And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

Luk 9:30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Mar 9:4  And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Luk 9:32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
Luk 9:33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.

Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Mar 9:5  And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Luk 9:34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
Luk 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Mar 9:7  And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Mat 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

Mar 9:6  For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

Mat 17:7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

Mat 17:8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

Mar 9:8  And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

Luk 9:36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.

Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Mar 9:9  And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.

Mar 9:10  And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.

** end of Transfiguration account **

Other related verses:

Mal 3:1  Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:2  But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:

Mal 4:5  Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6  And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

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To Mary Magdalene at the tomb, the first one to see Jesus (though she had alerted Peter and John that his body wasn’t there and they came and saw his clothes there and left, while she stayed:

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

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Jesus allows his disciples to touch him. He says he has “flesh and bones” though he appeared out of nowwhere by then on at least two occasions in which he ate fish and honey:

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

About Elijah:

Luke 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
Luke 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.

Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?