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Critique of Rolling Stone article “Heaven’s Gate 20 Years Later: 10 Things You Didn’t Know”

March 29, 2017

To follow is my critique of the Rolling Stone 20 year anniversary of Heaven’s Gate “suicides” starting with the link to the article and the text that I commented to as needed:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/03/29/critique-of-rolling-stone-article-heavens-gate-20-years-later-10-things-you-didnt-know

Rolling Stone article:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/heavens-gate-20-years-later-10-things-you-didnt-know-w473560

Heaven’s Gate 20 Years Later: 10 Things You Didn’t Know

From cult members’ eating habits to the sneakers the group wore during its infamous 1997 mass suicide
Heaven’s Gate 20 Years Later: 10 Things You Didn’t Know
By Michael Hafford
3/24/2017

Twenty years after their mass suicide made headlines across the world, Heaven’s Gate is still one of the most notorious cults of the 20th century – not to mention one of the most recognizable. In March 1997, America was shook by the strange story that included mass suicide, wild public-access-style videos, an obsession with U.F.O.s and, in true late-Nineties fashion, tracksuits and matching Nikes. They also had a new recruitment tool: the Internet.

*** Sawyer’s comment:

Evidence reveals the distortion in this statement about the Internet as a new “recruitment tool”. Even though they never “recruited” as has been seen but most, if not all religious and spiritual and secular organizations, there were only two short periods of time when they held public meetings to see if there were any who identified with their information.

1) From April of 1975 which ceased by June of 1976 and
2) January of 1994 (with two test meetings in November of 1993) and lasted until August of 1994.
3) In 1996 they put up their web site, Heavensgate.com and from it two people joined and one soon left.

If recruitment was ever their interest why limit it so and why choose to exit their vehicles after only one “recruit” from the Internet. It was only their interest for two short periods of time primarily and then towards the time of their exit in 1996.

However, since then the Internet has been the primary way for people to learn the truth about Ti and Do and the group since the media has largely not dealt with the truth as their primary interest. This is evidenced by the way Wikipedia pays no attention to what Do wrote unless it was published by someone else who was writing about the group and they were not pro telling the truth about what they said and did.

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Heaven’s Gate has the distinction of being the first well-known American cult of the Internet era, using the new technology to share their beliefs with a wider audience and also to make a living. They derived a large portion of their income from designing web pages. Formed in the Seventies, they had become reclusive by the start of the 1990s and started attempting to recruit members online using the organizational name “Higher Source” for the website.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
They had a number of members of the group who were working in high tech management positions for years that probably made a lot more money than that little business. For instance Nrrody had been the head Technical Writing department manager for Texas Instruments. Mllody had been a Senior level programmer analyst for large banks included Mtech and Hewlet Packard. Others like Stlody was a Certified Network Engineer. I worked with all three of these at one company in California. One of the individuals who worked at their web design company was named Glnody. He got his start when I formed a company with Srrody – a very sharp low level programmer and secured a contract for a consultant in Dallas that maintained Anheiser Busch’s Bakery subsidiary as subcontractors. I gave him and others like Chkody their first programming lessons. Alxody was also a certified Network Engineer.
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Though the web would eventually become central in the organization, the group’s origins were much more grassroots. In the early 1970s, founders Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles – a Texas music teacher and nurse that he met during a stay in a psychiatric institution – renamed themselves Bo and Peep and took a six-month-long road trip across the United States. Around 1974, they assembled a group called “the crew.” For the next two decades, they lived all around Southern California. Thought Nettles died in 1985, Applewhite kept the group together, and when the Internet was introduced to consumers in the early 1990s, they began using the new technology to share their beliefs with a wider audience. The reclusive group also used it to make a living, deriving a large portion of their income from designing web pages.

*** Sawyer’s Comments:
They at first traveled together from 1/1/73 to early April of 1975 when they to their surprise had students so became called Bo and Peep. we as a group were never called “the crew”. We did refer to ourselves as a crew but not as a title. We lived all over the western U.S. but mostly in the southwest from Texas to California and Colorado and Wyoming mostly not all that much time relatively speaking in southern California. There was no Internet we were aware of in the “early 1990’s”. We did upload our Beyond Human tapes to Satellite through Hughs Broadcasting uplink service. Other that we used traditional media when we went public for the second time in the early 1990’s.

re: the big psychiatric hospital misinformation:

I pulled this comment from the Huffington Post article that claimed this psychiatric hospital meeting [2] and also said they “fell in love,” [3] so I included the sections that show how both were not based on any facts but now have become “alternative facts,” even unconsciously creating myth from reality.

Here’s what Do wrote in 88update that I witnessed he and Ti referring to several times:

“In the early 1970’s, two members of the Kingdom of Heaven (or what some might call two aliens from space) incarnated into two unsuspecting humans in Houston, a registered nurse and a college music professor who were in their forties. The nurse and the professor hadn’t previously known each other and had completely separate lives. The registered nurse was happily married with four children, worked in the nursery of a local hospital [2 – what kind of psychiatric hospital has a “nursery?”], and enjoyed a small astrology practice. The music professor, a divorcee who had lived with a male friend for some years, was contentedly involved in cultural and academic activities.

For about a year before they met, their lives seemed to encounter severe upheaval and personal confusion, later recognized as the human body’s response to the entry of the minds from what “the two” referred to as the “Next Level,” or the physical level above human. About nine months after they first met, they left Houston because their lives, which were crumbling around them, made it impossible to concentrate on what was actually happening to them.

Most of their friends and associates thought the two of them had lost their minds or were being duped into a relationship by the other. The only relationship they shared, certainly having no physical attraction toward each other, was the compulsion to discover what had brought them together and what might be their purpose. They had little in common other than strong personal relationships with their Heavenly Father.” [3 – fell in love”?]

So where did the “psychiatric hospital” idea come in and where was it that they “fell in love” and no mention of “extraterrestrials” though I would give that last point some liberty. Here is yet another view as said by DO live on the video series he started in 1992. By the way I am introduced as Sawyer in the video and my face is shown as with Jwn his two “helpers” in the video:

Beyond Human — The Last Call – Session 1
http://heavensgate.com/book/4-4.htm

10th paragraph:

In the early 70’s, for unknown reasons (and this is just my attempt to explain to you what occurred), for unknown reasons – things we could not understand – my life began to suddenly fall apart.  It had been a very stable life, an acceptable life, certainly one that was considered legitimate and had respect to it in the community, as did Ti’s life. And her life separately began to fall apart.  We did not know each other.  We’d never seen one another that we were aware of – had never met.  Then in the early 70’s, I think around ’72, we met just perchance while I was visiting a sick friend in a hospital where Ti was a nurse.[2 – met in hospital where Ti was a nurse that had a nursery] From that moment, my life changed – changed very significantly. I rebelled.  I didn’t want it to change, and yet I knew it had to change.  And the conflict that was in me was very great.

The same thing was happening with Ti.  She knew she had something to do with me.  I tried to reject that idea. Ti was confused for awhile and wondered, “Well, why do I recognize you, and you don’t recognize me”?  And even though I might have thought I didn’t recognize Ti, I knew that I couldn’t cut it off. And yet here we had separate lives, separate careers, families, involvements in the world, and all of a sudden, just because we met, something was causing us to have to become more involved in spite of our desire not to.  Not involved in a human way.  There was never a coming together in that we were bed partners or involved in a physical relationship. [3 – “fell in love?”] But there was something that compelled us to spend time together and listen to each other, and search together.”

I know reporters went to Houston to talk to people that knew them and no doubt one or more could have said they thought they were having an affair. I know that DO told us that they got a court order against Ti’s vehicles husband (as I don’t know if they had divorced yet by then) because he threatens DO. So it was fertile ground for conjecture but that doesn’t mean they are facts.

Why not believe what Do wrote in several documents at different times years apart and that I heard Ti talk about a decade or so earlier, to confirm as the most accurate account? They would still be considered evil cult leaders even then. What did they have to gain by making up that story. Especially in 1994, why would Do hide the truth from his dedicated 24+ students when they were going to go out on the road again after 17 years in seclusion to “recruit”, (that actually never was as other groups did so, which I provide evidence for)? We held meetings in Dallas, Houston, Addison and Austin that year and DO wasn’t traveling with any of the groups while they went out among the people to put up posters advertising the meetings and looking for free press coverage. I was even part of a multi group effort that did a big story for the Dallas Morning News then in which Ollody’s many paints were shown on television. We visited most every health food store and book store and campus to advertise our meetings. How unlikely would have it been to run into someone that knew of the story about Applewhite and Nettles from 1975. I don’t know if that happened. However in 1975 at Christmas time, having joined 3 months before then, I with my partner who Ti and Do had assigned me several months before then, were out on our own with no connection to a larger group or to Bo and Peep (the names they still used then), hitchhiked (because our car broke down) to Houston where Dandy actually knew some people who we stayed with for a night or two. While there, they had some people over and it just so happens one was a women who told us she knew Applewhite and that he had wandering hands, I think she said. I thought that was a sexual insinuation. I didn’t think she was making it up but nor did it dissuade me or have me question what I was doing. I had been a rogue hippy vagabond musician for years before then, exploring a number of spiritual forms, to which I could never really feel one with, that is until I met Ti and Do and knew I had to give up my instruments and girlfriend and the house I was building in a startup commune in Oregon to follow them. My point is, how did they know what any of us heard about them, even when groups did meetings in 1975-6 in Austin, Brownsville, El Paso, Houston, Nashville, Lubbock and San Marcos? They could have started to tell their stories of how they met, which I only recall in the early 1980’s while living in houses and could have said things that could give a student a hard time believing because of what they heard. Why would they have risked making up a story when they were already hated by people all over the country even without that story and how would their story make it better for them anyway?

Common sense says that their story as told by Do is the most dependable one but seems to be the one most all the media outlets I’ve seen and that’s been many dozens since 1975 avoid like the plague. I can offer an explanation for this but most will have a hard time with it, but it doesn’t matter, the facts stand on their own.

Here is where so many reporters get their “facts”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29
According to Applewhite’s writings, the two met in the psychiatric hospital where she worked during his stay there.[5] The two quickly became close friends.[6] He later recalled that he felt like he had known her for a long time and concluded that they had met in a past life.[7] She told him their meeting had been foretold to her by extraterrestrials, persuading him that he had a divine assignment.[8][9]

(7) Lalich 2004, pp. 44, 48.
(8) Balch & Taylor 2002, p. 210.
(9) Lalich 2004, p. 43.

Do only wrote about this in 88 update and spoke about it in Beyond Human – The Last Call video tape session 1 so perhaps these references refer to one of these documents as the video tapes were transcribed so are available in print.

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The cult’s philosophy took its roots from Applewhite’s Presbyterian upbringing – his father was a minister – and essentially grafted belief in extraterrestrials onto Christian theology. Applewhite told his acolytes that he was the second coming of Jesus Christ, that God was an alien, and that they were living in the end times. They read the Bible, especially, Revelation Chapter 11 in the New Testament, a section about two witnesses that would prophecy. At the end of their prophecy, they would have to battle demons, which Applewhite and Nettles called “the Luciferians.”

**** Sawyer’s comment:
There is no evidence in Ti and Do’s teachings of “Applewhite Presbyterian upbringing” unless you count belief that Jesus and his Father were was from the Kingdom of God. If anything they were contrary to most all the standard Christian belief variances. Their book found at Heavensgate.com and my book at http://www.TIandDOTheFatherandJesusHeavensGateUFOTwoWitnesses are good references for this.

Do never told us he was Jesus Christ. Here’s why. Jesus was the name of the physical body an Older member from the Next Level took to perform his task through. That same body was never scheduled to come back in an incarnate way. Ti and Do said this clearly in 1973, 1975 and thereafter. Lots more evidence available. They did say they were fulfilling what Christians called the Second Coming. Ti nor Do ever said God was an alien. Do did write that some humans might see members of the Next Level as aliens.

The Bible was never a source of lesson material for the classrooms Overcoming process. In the 1990’s it was referenced more because that was when Do felt we needed to be “who we are” (1987) which meant say we were the return of the same Souls who were in Jesus and his disciples, (which Jesus actually taught would be returning and completing their “spirit birth” by having a “water birth” where spirit was compared to the invisible but physical wind and “water” was compared to the human kingdom’s flesh basis. Ti and Do said this was not reincarnation the way it’s described by most eastern religions.

We never as a classroom from 1975 to 1994 ever sat down to read Revelations chapter 11 about the Two Witnesses. Do writes about when He and Ti recognized that was the prophecy they were fulfilling not liking the idea.

Here is what Do wrote about that in 88Update:

“Their real or more in-depth awakening occurred over several months
while camping on the Rogue River near Gold Beach, Oregon.  While there
they came to believe that they were the Two Witnesses mentioned in the
Book of Revelations.  This was extremely difficult for them to accept,
for they were both the type who were “turned off” by people who
thought they were reincarnations of Cleopatra, or some Egyptian king
or Biblical character.  To have to believe that they were assuming a
role that would have caused them to “run the other way” had they seen
someone else assume it, was more than hard to digest.

In spite of that difficulty, they felt that they really had no
choice but to tell the world what the real Kingdom of Heaven was – a
physical evolutionary level, instead of some mystical cloud-and-harp,
spiritual existence as Lucifer has popularly twisted the scripture
quoters to misinterpret.  The term “evolutionary” here does not refer
to the theories presented by Darwin, but to a level of life that can
be entered only after overcoming or rising above the ways of the human
world, and only with the assistance of a Member of the Heavenly
Kingdom.”

I never heard Ti use the term Luciferians but they did acknowledge Lucifer and his associates were working against all but that it was part of the design to have students get stronger to conquer their influence.

Ti and Do didn’t derive what they came to know from the Bible. It only added verification to what they both knew and received individually. It was an uncanny experience watching them work together. Some audio tapes are available.

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But then, in late March 1997, 39 members including Applewhite wearing black track suits and sneakers, ate apple sauce laced with barbiturates and washed it down with vodka. They then put bags over their heads, purple shrouds over their bodies, and laid down to leave their earthly vehicles behind. They weren’t killing themselves, they thought, but freeing their souls from their so they could ascend to a spacecraft flying in the wake of the Hale-Bopp comet – which at that point was passing by Earth – and were going to be taken to their new home in space. Instead, police found their bodies on March 26th, and the images of the white and black Nikes poking out from under a purple cloth would be burned into the eyes of a generation.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
They said it was “irrelevant” whether there was a spacecraft in the wake of the Hale Bopp Comet. They said the Comet served as their “marker” for the timing of their exit.

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Here, 10 things you might not know about the Heaven’s Gate cult and its infamous mass suicide

The cult borrowed a lot of imagery from science fiction
Applewhite and Nettles were huge fans of Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and they brought some sci-fi to the group – resulting in theories like that Mary had been taken aboard a spaceship and impregnated with Jesus. It also led to the members that would eventually kill themselves to wear patches that said “Heaven’s Gate Away Team,” which you can see in the group’s farewell video, a reference the specialized crew that went on missions to alien planets in Star Trek.

*** Sawyer’s comments:
They were not “fans” of Star Wars or Close encounters though they had us see them when they came out and had a little to say about each. They did think Mary was artificially inseminated by the Next Level on a craft to prepare the vehicle named Jesus for his task. I don’t know where that idea first came to them.

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The group also believed that God was an advanced alien traveling in the spaceship in the trail of the Hale-Bopp comet, and that he planned to soon “recycle” the Earth. The group committed suicide so that they could ascend to “The Evolutionary Level Above Human.”

*** Sawyer’s comment:
What humans called Suicide was simply the method to exit their vehicles. Ti and Do always said and even hoped they would leave with their bodies but were prepared for all options. This is part of why it seems they packed travel bags.

God was a term that any adult member of the Next Level would earn by graduating into the Next Level from the human kingdom. They spoke in terms of Older Members and Younger Members of the Next Level and always said it was a “many membered Kingdom” and they used/wore physical bodies they MADE so were not reproduced by mammalian reproduction they had outgrown.

They did say there was a “chief of chiefs” the oldest most experienced member of the Next Level who humans could not understand but if they graduated into the Next Level would begin to understand more about where He came from.

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They made headlines early on
In September 1975, the group visited the small town of Waldport, Oregon, to give a lecture about how U.F.O.s were soon going to make contact with the human race. According to an article in the New York Times, roughly 150 people packed into a motel hall to hear Applewhite’s lecture. At first the town thought it was a joke, but soon, 20 people – or about one in 30 residents of the town – packed up, told their loved ones goodbye, and drove off.

“A score of persons… have disappeared,” Walter Cronkite said on the CBS Evening News. “It’s a mystery whether they’ve been taken on a so-called trip to eternity — or simply been taken.”

They had gone to a meeting of about 400 people in Grand Junction, Colorado, who believed they would be visited by alien beings. The rendezvous never happened, but the congregation did escape with their lives. According to the Times, none of these Oregon residents were among those found in 1997.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
I joined from the Waldport meeting. Do said there were 34 new members from that meeting. Most were not from Waldport where I lived actually.

I  think something got very mixed up with talk of some congregation escaping with their lives. I met them in at the Colorado National Monument after tying up the loose ends of my life in Waldport and we soon left for a Boulder Campround and then up to Poudre River. I didn’t join for a ufo ride. Nor did most of those who became core believers in Ti and Do. They simply recognized Ti and Do somehow and knew this was what they wanted to do. The Student Exit tapes verify this.

Lvvody, Jnnody, Ollody came from the Waldport meeting and I think Ollody was going to school in Eugene.

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Members were devotees of the Master Cleanse.

Aside from abandoning your family and turning over all your money, cult members were asked to cleanse their bodies of the impure influence of things like fast food and impure sexual thoughts. That often involved things like the Master Cleanse, invented in the 1940s by Stanley Burroughs and republished in 1976 in his book The Master Cleanser. Cult member Rio DiAngelo, real name Richard Ford, told Newsweek that the group took it much farther than the diet’s other So-Cal acolytes – they drank nothing but the mix of lemonade, cayenne pepper and maple syrup for three entire months.

*** Sawyer’s comments:
Yes, we used the Master Cleanser several times but were not “devotees” to it.

Fast food was never one of the things Ti and Do ever said we needed to cleanse our bodies from though we seldom had fast food and knew of it’s poor nutritional value. We did eat at Taco Bell by Choice a time or two or if we had to eat fast food we would.

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Originally, the cult promised that members wouldn’t have to die to ascend to a higher plane.
According to the BBC, members were originally told that they would be able to exit their “containers” without resorting to suicide. They told L.A. Weekly in 1994 that they hoped to be beamed up into space, taking their bodies with them into the “Next Level,” as members called their version of the afterlife. In the mid-1980s, when Nettles died of cancer, Applewhite amended his teachings to say that they would be given a new body in the Next Level, so their bodies wouldn’t necessarily go with them. The group acknowledged that death might be necessary if they were to be picked up by the alien spacecraft, but appears to have held out hope that they could do so without dying.

*** Sawyer’s comment:

It’s true at first Ti and Do thought only they would lose their vehicles. They even maintained that possibility to 1997 the reason they carried travel bags incase Ti took them without their needing to die.

Do, (Applewhite, his vehicle) never “amended” He and Ti’s teachings. they always said upon graduation the graduates would be given a new Next Level vehicle. They were not aliens. That is the distortion the Luciferian space alien fallen angels are still trying to brainwash humans to think. Ti and Do were from the Next Level who created everything – all the planets and all the life forms and they allow the space aliens to be here to present their agenda to humans to test humans of to whom to give their allegiance to become like the space aliens (who are human equivalents and can’t even travel into space anymore anyway, the reason they are training humans to do it for them), or to the Next Level.
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The suicides took place over the course of three days.
Though the 39 dead members of the cult were found on Wednesday, March 26th, 1997, coroner’s reports showed that the suicides were far from simultaneous. The members killed themselves starting Sunday using a combination of Phenobarbital, alcohol and hydrocodone, probably consumed with apple sauce or pudding. The members then put plastic bags over their heads and suffocated to death, after which they were covered in shrouds. Applewhite was a late death, but not the last to die.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
There never was a report of their use of Hydrocodone.
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“Labeled ‘The Routine,’ the document outlined a process by which a group of 15 people would kill themselves, assisted by eight other people,” CNN wrote. “Then a second group of 15 would die, also assisted by eight people. Given that 39 victims were found, that would have left a final group of nine.”

Part of the Heaven’s Gate dogma was that everything had to be precisely the same
“Everything was designed to be… an exact duplicate,” surviving member Michael Conyers later said. “You were not to come up with, ‘Well I’m going to make the pancakes this big.’ There was a mixture, a size, how long you cooked it one side, how much the burner was on, how many a person got, how the syrup was poured on it. Everything.” Conyers said that even male members shaved their faces a specific way.

**** Sawyer’s comment:

Everything wasn’t designed to be an exact duplicate but we did thrive on crew mindedness and it put some to the test whether they could conform like it would be in the military. There were lots of procedures on how to do things. We had recipes that Ti and Do wanted to see consistant good results. I don’t recall a procedure on how to pour the syrup on pancakes though we had an amount but one could forego having any syrup or at times uses jelly or just butter. Michael (Rthody) remembers whatever he had the most problems with. For me it was just a routine I didn’t find a problem with enjoying following. What’s wrong with having the burner on a certain setting to heat the griddle to the best temperature to best cook pancakes? I guess he wouldn’t be a very good chef if he didn’t have standards. But of course it was designed to weed out those who really weren’t fitting in as then the smallest things might become the straw that broke the camel’s back. Someone might want to ask Michael why/how he left. Do stimulated the second visit of families and when Michael came back he wanted to leave to be with his human family and then off he went. Had Do wanted to keep everyone in the group why would he and Ti have us visit families. It served as an innocent test of our resolve. That one of the many reasons I know all who stayed to their exit of their vehicles did so because they genuinely knew this was what they wanted to do regardless of whether humans would understand or condone their choice. They were quite in dependant minds compared to humans.

As I recall, Michael asked Do about how he shaved – in which direction he moved the blade. Before that we had no “procedure”. I guess he didn’t like Do’s answer. Had he not asked it would have remained an option. Ti and Do didn’t try to lay out all the options anything could be done. To the contrary they left many details up to us to work out and when we had problems or reached an impasse between students then it became a lesson opportunity as to how we would work out our differences between partners. Often that resulted in a procedure so it was settled but there were always many areas of difference.

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This is a common tactic for cults – if a leader wants to convince members to do something as extreme as commit suicide, they has to replace their entire belief structure with the belief structure of the cult, a process called indoctrination.

“[Cults] say, ‘You have to break out of your Western mentality,” David Sullivan, a private investigator specializing in cult deprogramming, told Harper’s. “You’re too judgmental. You have to abandon your whole psychological-intellectual framework. Your obsessive materialism is blocking you from seeing the truth.'”

*** Sawyer’s comment:
So how many cults do we have that example for? How did Jim Jones get so many to commit suicide? Wasn’t it fear of having authorities destroy their way of life and it was made into a drill they repeated and didn’t know it wasn’t real poison they drank so that when they finally drank it, many under gunpoint and being threatened on the PA system they did it.

We talked about all ways to exit our vehicles. It wasn’t until 1994 that doing so by our own hand seemed like the way we might go and no one’s entire belief system as replaced, especially for those that joined in 1994 that hardly had a grasp on the groups beliefs.

This is the way governments get their citizens to go to war to kill others and think if they die it’s honorable. A typical cult technique except that’s the cult of Luciferian misinformation.

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The Next Level was a place without gender, and that led to castration
Applewhite and other members underwent the procedure to help ensure they remained celibate. Applewhite, who had been fired as a music professor at the University of St. Thomas in 1970 after administrators learned he had sex with a male student, sought cures for his homosexual urges. He wanted to find a way to have “platonic relationship where he could develop his full potential without sexual entanglements,” said one reporter who infiltrated the group in 1975. Castration, Applewhite believed, could make that easier. Ultimately, the group instituted a strict “no sex, no human-level relationships, no socializing” rule.

Though decisions like this were always left up to the members, eight followers were castrated voluntarily, including Applewhite. “They couldn’t stop smiling and giggling,” former member DiAngelo told Newsweek. “They were excited about it.”

***Sawyer’s comment:

It is true that in the Next Level abodes, on spacecraft laboratories, members don’t have a gender and the physical bodies they wear don’t have a gender. They are from The Evolutionary Level Above Human and to become a Member meant they had to conquer/overcome all their human kingdom characteristics like gender, sexuality, accumulation of wealth, elevation of self (ego), addictions and mammalian relationships. But castration became an option that most did not choose to undergo as for some they didn’t have a significant challenge by that part of their vehicles hormonal system that stimulated a significant toward maintaining celibacy.

The castration procedure was not to “ensure celibacy” and that especially applies to the long term members including DO who had many years of successful overcoming of his vehicles sexual nature. Instead it was like a reward for their efforts to be rid of that battle that despite one’s self control over their vehicles urges, etc. the battle still raged even in ways hardly recognizable as related. For instance when one doesn’t control that addiction to the loss of energy/fluids and the various attention to thoughts and feelings, one’s capacity for “common sense” diminishes, according to Ti and Do. Also one is not as objective working with others if their vehicle is attracted or repulsed to another’s vehicle. Thurston, seen in the exit videos as TRSODY makes note of this and the relief he felt after the procedure. Someone who never experiences any significant celibacy of mind and body isn’t capable of understanding it from an experiential standpoint any more than certain alcoholics who may not even think of themselves as alcoholics don’t know how their judgement has been impaired.

There is a great deal to say about this and how the option came to be as I was a part of the first choices to be castrated and Do stopped me from proceeding on two occasions. For over a year DO wondered if allowing those students that were asking for the procedure (Srrody, Prkody and I mostly, DO told us), if he approved of it, by having it done, would reduce the effort needed to build our Mind muscle by working against those vehicular characteristics. Do also thought that the Next Level had designed human male vehicles to be easily castrated (neutered) compared to females who he didn’t give the option to because it was too invasive. (I never learned of that procedure).

It was always interesting to note how Jesus approved of castration for his disciples? In context here is what he said:

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

It was also known that the Essene Jewish community that Jewish heirarchals disproved of also showed in the Dead Sea Scrolls that we read in the book Essene Christian Faith, their promotion of self stimulated castration.

There have been several versions of the story that Applewhite was fired for a relationship with a college student. It may be true but he was teaching in the University of St. Thomas so the student would not have been underage and when talking to the administrators one reporter only learned that he was fired for “personal reasons”. There is also only rumors that he sought professional help with his homosexuality and even if they were true I don’t know what is so terrible about that. About his relationships with a man, Do did tell the student body and wrote in the 88update that he had been living with a man and that he was not happy with his relationship because he sought someone who wanted a committed relationship. Robert Balch, who was not a reporter, but who did write about the group a lot was the one who did infiltrate the group in 1975 and made these few things into his treatise of why he eventually led the group to what humans call suicide so as is the case with this story in particular the same media reports end up being used over and over to build the same rumors and innuendo and hypothesis into facts – the way myth get’s started it seems.

The group didn’t ultimately institute, a strict “no sex, no human-level relationships, no socializing” rule. We had those rules from day one and all the rules came from TI and DO until TI exited her vehicle in 1985 and then came from DO alone.

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Heaven’s Gate cult
Police photo showing a deceased member of the Heaven’s Gate cult. Nike discontinued the sneakers the members wore. STR New/Reuters

The cult went out for a last supper together.
Though Heaven’s Gate members were cut off from their families and friends, they were far from total recluses. Their final meal together was a big group dinner that took place at a chain that they frequented near their compound in Rancho Santa Fe, CA.

“And a week ago Friday [just before their suicides] — just a day or so before enacting their meticulously planned suicides — the cult went out for a last supper together at the Marie Callender’s restaurant in Carlsbad,” the BBC wrote.

“They all ordered the exact same thing,” a waiter recalled to the paper. “It was set up before they came in. They all had iced teas to drink. Dinner salads beforehand with tomato vinegar dressing. Turkey potpie for the entree. Cheesecake with blueberries on top for dessert. They seemed very nice, very friendly, very polite. No one seemed depressed at all, or anything like that.”

Two surviving members likely still operate the cult’s website.
One of the ways that Heaven’s Gate paid the bills was with a web design group called “Higher Source.” Their website is still online.

“Clients described Higher Source employees as diligent and professional,” the AP wrote. “They said the Web-site designers didn’t look particularly unusual for computer experts with a lot of work in the entertainment industry, with dark, collarless shirts and closely cropped hair.”

The pair most likely behind the Higher Source website are Mark and Sarah King according to Motherboard.

“The information must be available to mankind, in preparation for their return,” the page’s admins told Reddit’s blog. “We don’t know when that will be but those who are interested will find the information.”

*** Sawyer’s comment:
Mark and Sarah were instructed to leave the group in 1987 because they didn’t want to abide by the lesson step called, “I could be wrong” and they never returned so had nothing to do with the Higher Source Web Design Business. Do and Crew did stay in touch with them and in 1994 offered them to return to the class again but they denied but then Do offered them logistical types of tasks as they prepared to exit their vehicles though did not let on to Mark and Sarah what their plans were or that it was a serious consideration. I was still in the class and knew of the plans. Rio (Neody) had been a big part of the Higher Source Web design business. Jwnody as she said in her student exit video had been a big part of Higher Source as was Glnody.

I wrote a critique of the Motherboard article found here:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/sawyers-response-to-motherboard-vice-com-interview-with-heavens-gate-website-webmasters/
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The Nikes the group wore have become a collector’s item.
When the Heaven’s Gate members were discovered, they were all wearing identical black-and-white Nike Decade sneakers – and the company soon discontinued the style, due to its macabre associations. Since then, the shoes have become a collector’s item. An unworn pair apparently discovered in a storage unit in Arizona is up for auction on eBay for the asking price of $6,660, bearing Applewhite’s face as part of its advertising.

Nike didn’t exactly appreciate the free advertising.

“We’ve heard all the jokes,” Nike rep Jim Small told Adweek in 1997. “The Heaven’s Gate incident was a tragedy. It had nothing to do with Nike.”

The surviving members agree. They say that the shoes were purchased in bulk because of their cost, not necessarily their style.

“They turned out to be a look that Do and the Class [adopted names for the cult leader and a member] liked,” they told Sole Collector in an email. “They were also able to get a good deal on them. It was a combination of factors that made the sale happen, not because of a particular model or brand.”

*** Sawyer’s comment:

“Class” wasn’t “a member”. It was short for “Classroom” the equivalent of student body or “church” in Ti and Do’s new generic non-religious terms that were more accurate now.

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Sawyer’s Critique of Ben Zeller’s article entitled: What the Heaven’s Gate suicides say about American culture

March 25, 2017

Below is Sawyer’s critique of another article about Heaven’s Gate. The article link is at the end but here is the text with my comments embedded:

What the Heaven’s Gate suicides say about American culture

Ben Zeller, Lake Forest College Published 4:53 am, Friday, March 24, 2017

Ben Zeller, Lake Forest College

(THE CONVERSATION) Heaven’s Gate – also known as the “UFO cult” – burst into American consciousness 20 years ago this month, when, on March 26, 1997, law enforcement discovered 39 decomposing bodies in a San Diego, California mansion.

Each detail that emerged from the scene stunned a rapt public: Adherents had committed suicide in waves on March 22 and 23, ingesting a lethal mix of barbiturates and alcohol; they lay under purple shrouds, with five-dollar bills and rolls of quarters in their pockets; all wore simple dark uniforms and Nike tennis shoes.

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sawyer’s comment:

“rolls of quarters” – that’s the first time I ever heard that. It was generally $5 and quarters that was first reported though I don’t know if every member had that combo. I reported to media in 1997 that I thought it had to do with our routine to sign out $5 whenever we went out of craft (house) on a task and then signed it in when we got back. It was for minor emergencies or if we were doing an “out of craft task” (job in human world) that extended past our 3rd Experiment (dinner time) as some were computer technicians that had varied hours at times so they’d have a little something to get a sandwich or something to tide them over. Before it was $5 in the 1990’s it was quarters for use in a pay phone in the 1980’s. I am sure it wasn’t more than 4 quarters or less than 2. Then some years after 1997 I heard a report that said it was $5.75 and I related it to Mark Twain’s fare for boarding the tail of a comet to go to heaven – like a dual service joke and practicality of having a tiny amount of money in case Ti decided to take their vehicles with them, heal them of their drug induced vehicular death and use them for some task someplace else. I believed this was also the reason for each to have a travel bag packed with a change of clothes as they left no stone un-turned. Could some have had rolls of quarters? Of course. But I wonder what was in the final report. It’s not important anymore but it just adds to the confusion of the facts to see it constantly reported differently.
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Bizarre as these details may seem, if you actually look at the group’s beliefs and history, Heaven’s Gate has far more in common with American culture than you might expect.

In my book on Heaven’s Gate, I argue that the group drew from broad trends in American culture – religiosity, apocalyptic thinking and an interest in fusing science and religion.

But one theme has become even more evident since I wrote the book. The group’s embrace of conspiratorial thinking reflects a culture of conspiracy that has long existed in the margins of society – and has re-emerged at the center of American life.

At the time of the suicides, Heaven’s Gate had been in existence for over two decades.

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Sawyers comment:

The Name Heaven’s Gate wasn’t used until 1996. We used  many other names before that.

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It was founded in 1972 when two Texans, Bonnie Lu Nettles and Marshall Herff Applewhite, bonded over shared interests in alternative spiritual exploration, astrology and biblical prophecy. They came to believe that the Bible foretold an extraterrestrial rapture wherein some individuals would be saved from life on this planet and journey to what they called the “Next Level,” a physical realm in outer space where they would live as an immortal, perfected species of space aliens. They gained their first significant attention and converts in 1975 among alternative spiritual seekers in California and Oregon.

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sawyers comment:

In 88update Do says that when He and Ti met they had nothing in common but a strong love for their Heavenly Father and a sense of having something to do together so they didn’t bond over shared interests.

They never spoke in terms of a “rapture” until the 1990’s that I recall as we had no bible kinds of study before then and with TI. Then Rapture meant – leaving all behind to follow eith the Older members literally as Jesus disciples did.

“saved from life on this planet” is to me a skewed way of saying what was more the case of “graduated from the Human kingdom” – and “evolutionary step” that amounted to being saved from “death on the planet” the fate of all life forms on earth, which is also aligned with what Jesus taught.

The latest trend in these articles and book authors is to classify them as “space aliens” which is part of the Luciferian Space Alien fallen Angel misinformation, rather than distinguish them as Above Space Aliens, Beyond Human and space Aliens, Evolutionarily more advanced than space aliens as “human equivalents” and DO said that the space aliens were SOULS who propagated hybrid physical bodies and were no longer allowed to circulate very far into space now and that there were no good and bad space aliens. They were all enemies of the Next Level though some had more consciousness of the Next Level Above Human than others and were also in competition with one another over the “spoils of the planet”. See USA Today Info Ad published on May 27th 1993.
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Nettles and Applewhite drew from Christian sources, particularly prophetic and apocalyptic material. They were also inspired by the New Age movement, which emphasized meditation, diet and the channeling of spiritual beings. Like many religious people, members of Heaven’s Gate sought salvation from what they considered a corrupt world.

***** sawyers comment:
To say they were inspired by the New Age movement is misleading. The author should just read 88update for Do’s words on the subject if accuracy is most important anymore.
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After Nettles died of cancer in 1985, the group’s adherents increasingly rejected their earlier belief in what they called biological metamorphosis, wherein their human bodies would chemically transform into extraterrestrial forms. Instead, they now envisioned abandoning their human bodies on Earth and transferring their consciousnesses – through (unspecified) technological-spiritual means – into new extraterrestrial “Next Level bodies.” (This is roughly analogous to reincarnation.)

**** sawyers comment:

“group’s adherents” who left, did so for any number of reasons and I learned what their reasons were because some of them sought to return and explained why. For example Dymody, Wndody, Rkkody, Trsody, Flxody and some never returned who gave interviews – Shldody, Jssody – who I believe left because the pickup didn’t transpire when Ti and Do first indicated it would (after 5 years they regretted saying as they never knew but kept getting pressed for the answer, though that didn’t phase their core believers like myself who never cared about being picked up by a UFO to begin with.

But to say they rejected “biological metamorphosis” I doubt was on anyone’s mind as we hardly understood what that entailed anyway until the mid 1990’s and even then it wasn’t until years later after I left them that I realized what they were referring to. The Soul was a “seed” and was physical and had a biological interface inside the human container where it could grow. Upon completion it would be equivalent to when Jesus was transformed on the Transfiguration mount, when Do felt he was ready to lay that body down to heal it in 3 1/2 days as Ti agreed was a time frame for such healing to occur.
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Eventually, some members came to believe that they actually were space aliens – that they’d taken on human forms to learn about life on our planet – though this belief appears to have not been universally shared.

**** Sawyers comment:
Who said this? It wasn’t members who stayed in the classroom to their departure I can assure you but the idea probably did come from space aliens into some minds.
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It may come as a surprise that, until the suicides, Heaven’s Gate attracted little outside attention.

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Sawyers comment:

Nor did they want outside attention which is why when Ti stopped the harvest (first wave) in 1976 they went into seclusion for about 17 years as they didn’t want any further attention. When they wanted attention they got it big time – still talking about it 20 years later with new believers to degrees all the time.
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They didn’t face government persecution, angry ex-members or professional anti-cultists eager to destroy them – all of which dogged other new and alternative religions like the Peoples Temple (the group behind the Jonestown massacre) and the Branch Davidians (the targets of the Waco siege).

So what drove Heaven’s Gate to consider collective suicide?

In the final years of the group’s existence, members came to believe in an elaborate conspiracy that leading governmental, religious and economic figures had colluded with a group of demonic extraterrestrials called “the Luciferians.” According to Heaven’s Gate members, these evil forces were all working in concert to cover up the existence of UFOs, and specifically a UFO “companion” that trailed the Hale-Bopp comet, which came closest to Earth on March 22, the day the suicides began.

*** Sawyer’s comment:

We began our study of the UFO phenomena in earnest in 1987 while living on Lost Angel road up Boulder Canyon in Colorado when Do brought in copies of “UFO Crash at Aztec” and in particular made parts of the appendix and the autopsy reports required reading and the rest optional. Before then we had a few books about Roswell and Admiral Byrd’s hollow earth, if I recall correctly, but never had them as required reading and never had a discussions about them which can be seen in the audio tape records.

ALL space aliens were “demonic” – not the way they want to be labeled for public consumption of their agenda of being human saviors.
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The sort of conspiratorial thinking that Heaven’s Gate adopted was nothing new. Their belief in government conspiracies and UFOs could be traced back to popular responses to the first “flying saucer” sightings and the crash of an unknown object in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.

Religious studies scholar Joseph Laycock has written about how some aspects of the emerging UFO subculture blended scientific and supernaturalist theories, bringing together religion and conspiratorial thinking. Likewise, historian David G. Robertson has documented how UFO conspiracy theories eventually merged with New Age religious thinking to create what he calls “UFO millennial conspiracism.” Heaven’s Gate was part of those trends.

While Heaven’s Gate emerged from ufological culture, they also engaged in a long and storied pattern of conspiratorial thinking by American religious and political movements, a relationship historian Richard J. Hofstadter explored in his famous 1964 essay on the “paranoid style of American politics.”

In the 19th century, this relationship was especially pronounced in a strand of American Protestantism that envisioned an array of nefarious agents attempting to wrest American culture from the values – and control – of white, English Protestants. They initially targeted (sometimes violently) Catholic immigrants – who were neither Protestant nor English – and justified their actions with a blend of nativism and conspiratorial thinking.

And it was this sort of conspiratorial thinking that suffused American political movements, whether it was McCarthyism or the anti-Masonic movement. Hofstadter wrote that proponents of such ideas often felt “dispossessed,” that the country had been “taken away from their kind.”

Today, many fear that external agents, from Muslims to illegal immigrants, have eroded core American “Judeo-Christian” values. Perhaps as a result, we’re now witnessing rising nativism, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.

Heaven’s Gate also embraced what historian Michael Barkun calls a “culture of conspiracy,” which divides the world between evil forces secretly conspiring among one another, true believers aware of the conspiracies and the mindless masses who operate without awareness of the truth.

**** Sawyer’s comment:

Ti and Do said the Next Level had a “conspiracy” – a “need to know” policy and one of maintaining “secrecy”. This can be seen in the way the Prophet Daniel was told to “shut up the meaning of the vision” and to how John the Revelation writer was told the same thing in chapter 10, UNTIL the time of the end in Daniel’s case and in John’s until the 7th Trumpet soundings. That seventh trumpet sounding as been in progress since at least 2008 when National Geographic Magazine’s “Final Report: Heaven’s Gate” aired a documentary that posed the question in the byline and in the body of the document, via the words of Sawyer (as I had asked them to do, a miracle to have happen (because I think the Next Level wanted it to occur), “Could Heaven’s Gate have been the Second Coming?” (paraphrased) that millions would have heard – the function of a trumpet sounding of information that was to occur after the TWO and Crew had exited their incarnations.
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While Barkun focuses on the religious and cultural margins, today the same elements are arguably at work in American political discourse, whether it’s talk of secret government wiretaps, a deep state, or cover-ups within the scientific community on topics ranging from vaccines to climate change.

The adherents of Heaven’s Gate wouldn’t probably be drawn to these various political conspiracies, though they shared the belief that powerful forces colluded behind the scenes to hide the truth. In order to support their claims of the existence of extraterrestrials and UFO visitations, they embraced this conspiratorial logic.

Twenty years ago, people laughed off the conspiracy theories that consumed the group and eventual led them to “opt out” of the planet and commit suicide.

**** Sawyers comment

The conspiracies theories that abounded in the 1990’s stemming from the previous decades amounted to maybe 1% of content of the groups consideration so hardly could be said to have “consumed the group” and certainly had nothing to do with their “opt out” “suicides”. Watch the students exit videos to see what over 30 students said about their exit. Why isn’t that proof of their mindset. They were leaving because they had bonded with their Older Member, and had grown to know they were not those bodies and because most of all they loved Do wanted to follow him, be with him after their exit to take up their next tasks to have graduated their human lesson plan. Yes they saw the world as the hideous place it really is, where even most Christians are, know it or not, anti-Jesus teachings while in condemnation of what they don’t want to understand as misinformation is the rule rather than the exception.
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But what happens when political leaders embrace a similar logic?

Link to this article: http://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/What-the-Heaven-s-Gate-suicides-say-about-11024924.php

This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article here: http://theconversation.com/what-the-heavens-gate-suicides-say-about-american-culture-74343.

Critique of “thenextweb” 2015 article on Heaven’s Gate

August 5, 2016

Below the link is my critique of an article about Heaven’s Gate that included comments from the current Heavensgate.com webmasters I call M & S:

(Before I start…there is an ongoing theme I keep hearing from even would be believers in Ti and Do that says – there is no classroom anymore so nothing to join and thereby nothing to do as we will just have to wait to reincarnate when a REP is incarnate again. This is a HUGE programming against the Next Level that is a Luciferian Space Alien agenda to promote and instill in even those who are most in line to become new prospective Members of the Next Level. People are blinded in many ways and this is just one more that M (and I presume S) are promoting in most every interview I hear that they gave, (along with other things that are against what Ti and Do taught, like saying there is no Heaven and no Hell for instance). It is so abundantly clear to me that all of us must “stand in defense of and for Ti and Do and maintain that stand until our exit of our vehicle” as the overall minimum requirement to be included in the group of Souls who are taken off the earth when the rest are recycled. The maximum giving will be to seperate from all our humanness, adopt all the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught and stand for Ti and Do despite the consequences. Those when they are taken off the planet it seems from prophecy get awarded with what I think would be a student level Next Level made physical vehicle and service for continued lessons until they are given the chance to graduate to an adult Next Level vehicle.

Yes, every indication is that, this will be in affect for even 1000 earth years after it’s DONE – which may be only a decade or two away, so it would seem some Souls may be given some lessons in new human vehicles during that 1000 years as part of their service/lessons and may have some interaction with Next Level Older Membes Ti and/or Do. I say this because of the Revelations Prophecies and from everything Do and Ti and Jesus and Moses said and did. For every point mentioned here there are at least three direct depictions in the Book of Revelations that Ti and Do said in 1974-6, via the document they wrote and had published as part the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary, though have also been given by Do (and Ti) in little clues throughout their years incarnate.

Anyone who indicates there is nothing to do going forward, but perhaps make Ti and Do’s records into a study is participating knowingly or not in a Luciferian space alien misinformation campaign intending to even agree with most everything except seeking to connect with Ti and Do to ask to make application to be in their service and to hit the deck running to start our own forward motion in that service.)

The curious online afterlife of a 20th century suicide cult

1) It was reported that M and S (current names I use for the webmasters of heavensgate.com) said in this article:
“A recent book on this subject, ‘Heaven’s Gate – America’s UFO Religion’ by Benjamin Zeller has been the best work we have seen so far.”

-Sawyer’s comment:
I don’t know why zellers book is the best work they have seen. He sent me an early draft looking for my input and I gave him a great deal and I’ve read parts of the new book and it’s too hard to wade through and is pretty much a carbon copy of Robert Balch’s hypothesis which is far afield and full of misinformation, insults and the like from a so called academic. Even calling Heavens Gate a “ufo religion” I suspect would make Ti and Do and crew gag considering they said that “religions are the number one killers of souls”.

2) It was reported that Jacques Vallee in Messengers of Deception said,
In November it was discovered that the two people who claimed to be the leaders of that outer-space organization were in fact quite ordinary humans: M.H. Applewhite, 43, born in Spur, Texas, a musician and opera singer, the son of Presbyterian minister; and Bonnie Nettles, age 48, a nurse who met him in Houston in the early ‘70s while he was recovering from a mental breakdown. They had first created meditation centres, then about 1973 they began recruiting for H.I.M.

-Sawyers comment:
There is no evidence I have heard of or seen that their first meeting was in a hospital Do was a patient in. Do had every reason to tell the truth about this and told us many times how He and Ti (Bonnie met), which Ti was present for and agreed was in the hospital where Ti worked as a premie baby nurse but on that time of meeting had agreed to substitute for another nurse in a different ward (that was not stated by Do or Ti). Do was with a friend and wrote in the document “88 Update, the UFO TWO and Their Crew”, available on heavensgate.com and on my blog at: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/88-update-the-ufocloud-of-light-two-tifather-and-dojesus-and-their-crew-not-space-aliens-or-discarnate-spirits-or-luciferians/ that he was at the hospital visting a “male friend”. This is when Do first told us, the student body that he had been living a homosexual lifestyle before he awakened. He also told us at that time that he was unhappy with the fact that he wasn’t finding a partner who wanted a committed relationship. Ti told is before this time that Do’s task differed from Jesus task in that he needed to take a vehicle that would get into most all things the vehicles the students would take might get into so he could relate to them what it takes to overcome those human characteristics, such as sexuality. Do said that Ti started a conversation about astrology asking what sign Do was. Do had been interested in astrology so showed interest.

One could research whether or not the ward with the “sick friend” was a mental ward like perhaps due to someone who tried to commit suicide for instance or for someone who had a mental breakdown. I don’t know if that is how that story got started. I’m not saying Do never checked himself into a facility or if he ever had a mental breakdown in his past. It’s possible. I know he indicated he was an alchohol user but I don’t know to what degree. I know he and Ti were quite straight laced and said they did no recreational drugs. And I know he did mingle in Houston high society and was divorced. But Terrie Nettles (Ti’s vehicle’s daughter) didn’t seem to know of this hospital meeting so thought they first met at a voice lesson Do was giving that Ti brought one of her daughters to that may have been Terrie.

Note that Vallee didn’t seem to know that they never wanted followers or students. Do wrote in 88update that when they learned that about a dozen wanted to follow them it was an “unwelcomed surprise” as they thought they would just share their message and move on. Vallee might not know about those they turned away as was reported in Brad Steiger’s book, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” and in 1976 how they sent 19 of their followers away from the larger group and Ti then told us who remained, “you made the first cut” as they didn’t think the 19 were ready though a number of years later after this other groups reincorporated back into the world, one in particular had been looking for the group and just so happened to walk into a hospital where a student was working in Amarillo, Texas and recognized her. That was the student named Drrody – Durable + “ody”. Nrrody was working in the Amarillo hospital at that time. By the way I took a lot of time and answered all of Zellers questions for his book and he used next to nothing and nothing changed much of his opinions that sided 100% with Robert Balch whom I also met with and edited a chapter for his book while I was in the group and we had started the second period of public meetings after 17 years of no meetings.

There are many stories of how Ti and Do said and did things that student found challenging so because of chose to leave the group. Do even offerred $2000.00 to any student who wasn’t leaving because they were afraid of the challenge of getting re-started in the world. Do only wanted students who wanted to give their all towards overcoming all of their human characteristics and to serve the Next Level through he and Ti’s instructions.

Thus their recruitment efforts were very successful, except it wasn’t about gaining great numbers. They came to know they would only have a small group of students and it ended up being 24 at one point before the second public meetings but ended at 38+4 which being 42 is in line with Rev 11:2 where “months” is equally translated to “affirmations from that 3 1/2 years time of their Prophecy period a way to make two statements in one.

3) It was reported that Zeller explained:
“The basic theology of Heaven’s Gate was that life on earth was relatively unimportant compared to life in the heavens, which should be our ultimate goal. Put that way, that’s what most Christians believe, particularly evangelical protestants who are a major force in America”.

-Sawyers comment:
To the contrary, Life on Earth was very important to having Life in the heavens as the human evolutionary kingdom was created to be a stepping stone into the Evolutionary Level Above Human. Nor “should it be” the ultimate goal of every human, becaues the Next Level doesn’t give all humans the chance at the same time and in the same ways if at all to make application to membership in the Kingdom in the literal heavens (outer space). That’s why it was compared to a “garden” where there are certain plantings in certain areas at different times and nutured in different ways pertaining to how the plants are growing. So the Moses classroom then became the “plants” with “seeded deposits (souls)” the Next Level chose to work with. But the product is not the physical vehicles. The product is the Soul that becomes filled with degrees of Mind/Spirit that if brought to “spirit birth” as Jesus said would reward them with a New “made” Next Level body that is no longer mammalian and service on board spacecrafts as big as planets, seen or not to cultivate new “gardens” as the way they gain new members. They don’t need new members. It’s simply their joy to offer what they know they have that is so “Beyond Human”.

4) It was reported re: Rob Balch’s forward to Zeller’s book claiming they were disorganized in 1975 when Balch and Taylor infiltrated the group:
“One potential reason for the group’s disorganized state at that time was that Do ended up in prison. In August 1974, he was arrested for failing to return a rental car and jailed for six months. It was during his period that he began to shift his theological thinking towards extraterrestrial life.”

-Sawyers comment:
There is little truth to this. Yes he spent 6 months in prison that stemmed from his keeping a rental car too long. The rental car company dropped the charges as soon as they got the car back but the St. Louis prosecutor, Do reported in 88Update was trying to make points and knew Do was an easy target because of his wild story of being from outer space and Do gave him a strange Tibetan name Nor Bu Young had just given he and Ti as this was in 1974 over a year before Rob Balch infiltrated so how can the two be linked. Ti and Do began to awaken to both being from “outer space” while in Boerne, Texas for less than 6 weeks where they also then realized they, their Minds/souls had been sent to “bring updates to the bible” and “fulfill prophecy”.

5) It was reported that:
“Throughout 1975, Do and Ti began to gather followers. During this time they were using the “Bo” and “Peep” monikers and arranged at least two public events to wait for the arrival of UFOs. When a spaceship failed to land at a gathering in Waldport, Oregon, the group still gained 30 new followers.”

-Sawyers comment:
There were a total of two times we planned for a pickup event. The first was in 1980 when we were camped at “The Cave without a Name” tourist site in Boerne, Texas and yes there was no pickup and Ti told Do from that, that Do told us about after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 (since she scheduled it) that she felt like she had “egg on her face” but it didn’t change her direction and knowing who she was. And it didn’t phase their fully dedicated students either, as I was one it didn’t phase, but for those on the fence it was the reason at least one left the group thereafter. Her name was Jssody. The second event was in 1992 while camping on the BLM lands west of Phoenix that Do being without Ti’s physical presence felt he had instruction from Ti to instigate (though instructions were not that easy to know were instructions so in a sense it was  a trial and error situation. This was not at all the way the schedule to lay down their lives occurred. That took years of examination of every detail and every student that I was present for and was an Overseer so was privey to things others weren’t always privey to (though not much really, but just some insights perhaps of how Do’s mind worked, though still did not make me able to second guess him). Thus since Waldport happened in September of 1975 these are totally unrelated. The 30 new followers came as a result mostly of the 1994 public meetings and many of those ended up leaving as well.

6) It was reported that:
“They then settled on a nomadic lifestyle moving across the United States. In April 1976, Ti announced that the group would no longer hold public meetings and its membership dropped dramatically – from more than 100 to around two dozen.”

-Sawyers comment:
Ti did annouce on April 21, 1976 that the “harvest is closed” and had us just finish up the existing meeting schedule by mid June and there were “about 100” students at that time but it took the next 17 years for the numbers to drop to “around two dozen”. (Note the 24 Elders in the Book of Revelations).

7) It was reported that:
“In 1985, the mass suicide was still 12 years away, but death touched the group significantly. After two years suffering with cancer, Ti died. Do told his followers that she had gone to ‘the Next Level’ because she contained too much energy to remain on Earth, and had abandoned her Earthly vessel for the journey.”

-Sawyers comment:
Do simply said Ti “burnt out her vehicle” dealing with the negativity she was the biggest recipient of as she was the Older Member of Do, so like the grandfather to the student body and when students were having doubts those thoughts went to both she and Do and when members of the human families of students felt anxiety and condemnation of the students teachers the discarnates would attack her (and Do). Ti was depicted in Revelations Chapter 12 as the “woman” and this is shown by the Dragon (the Luciferian space alien souls, even Lucifer in particular as one of those souls) sending out a flood against her. She is saved from it by the “earth opening it’s mouth” to swallow the flood. That’s an expression of someone going into the grave even found in a Crosby Stills Nash and Young song. So her early exit was planned ahead.

8) It was reported that:
“Following the loss of his companion – the pair were not lovers – Do began to adjust and evolve the theology of what would come to be renamed Heaven’s Gate. He decided that Ti’s consciousness had been conveyed to a spaceship when it had left her body. Previously the group’s teachings had focused on actual physical ascension, but Ti’s passing had made that belief untenable.”

-Sawyers comment:
The Heaven’s Gate name came about after I left which was after September of 1994. Ti left in 1985. We had a number of names as we explored different public approaches, Do feeling there was to be another public offerring of the infomation that was more straight forward that Do was the return of the same Soul who had been incarnate in the vehicle named “jesus”. See Do’s article, “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Final Departure” written in 1995 and posted to 90 somthing usenet groups. (I say this was the 6th of 7 “thunders” (roars) listed in Revelations chapter 10.

That belief that they could all be taken with their physical bodies was never “untenable” though I admit Ti’s exit did reveal their exit would not necessarily be with their physical bodies. This is shown in the document I’ve already noted, “Undercover “Jesus”…” showing that in 1995 they still thought it possible they could be taken without “laying down their bodies” in the way they did by their own hands.

9) It was reported that:
“Do believed once the group had reached ‘Evolutionary Level Above Human – the Next Level’ they would be able to leave their physical ‘vessels’ and be transported to heaven – a literal planet – on a spaceship controlled by extraterrestrials. One of those beings was Jesus. In Do’s doctrine, Jesus was a gateway to heaven, but on his first visit to Earth found humanity to be unready for ascension.”

-Sawyers comment:
This is very convoluted to say the least. To put it simply, Do believed if they exited by leaving their human vehicles behind their Soul bodies which are invisible to humans that would not have died would be met by Next Level members who were invisible to humans and they would board an invisible space craft sent to receive them. Yes one could call that spacecraft “heaven” because at that point one is in the keeping of the Kingdom of Heaven, but where they would go from there was never spelled out while I was there nor in any of the information they left behind that I have found. However, Ti and Do did say they were from “headquarters” and that some might be assigned to work in headquarters and there was some implication that headquarters was locally inside the planet Pluto. Ti and Do instigated a movie script that they said was “science fiction based on the truth” in which Pluto as a huge spacecraft that housed a “earth lab” with a scaled replica of the earth through which Next Level crewmembers could observe and perhaps communicate with any part of earth or earthling.

Yes Members of the Next Level were “extraterrestrial” but didn’t look like the aliens we see mostly in hollywood movies – that look grotesque or like insects, etc. They have very delicate shapes and features that they designed humans to resemble in likeness though have a slightly larger head, small lips if they even have lips, depending on the type of vehicle designed for each members as members keep on graduating to new model vehicles or vehicles for differnet tasks.

Ti said Do was the same soul who started in the task of Adam, then Enoch, then Moses, then Elijah and then Jesus. But yes Jesus was the gateway 2000 years ago, both him as a person in that vehicle he took over and related to his student body through and by his teachings of the requirements of seperating from our human roots and human mammalian behaviors and ways, such as sexuality. But to date, Do then became the “currently present” Representative. If we don’t please Do and Ti then they are not going to want to have us on their crew on board a spacecraft doing tasks for them. Ti assigned Do the task of birthing the student body completly though she came to help get him started, thus He is this civilizations current and only GATE into Heaven which is 100% consistant with everything Jesus represented.

10) It was reported that Zeller said re: Hale Bopps reported “companion object”:
“…claims about a mysterious object, a ‘companion’, following the comet that seemed to move unnaturally and even influence the movements of the comet became the focus of the group. While these claims would later be debunked, and the members of Heaven’s Gate ultimately indicated that the nature of the mysterious object was in fact irrelevant, the interest in the companion and the comet among members of the fringe and conspiracy-orientated alternative media attracted the attention and interest of the group’s adherents.”

-Sawyers comment:
There is a great deal to say about what Zeller so easily just says were “debunked” that even scientists who are still engaged in trying to understand would not be so blatently challenging. For instance in one NASA forum on Hale Bopp, the concensus is that what we are calling Hale Bopp was actually two object in orbit around one another – spoken of as having a double nucleus that is not understood how is possible. Since that time there have been so many events in the heavens that have put current science on it’s ear, so to speak that to say with any certainty what is not possible is ignorance.

11) It was reported that:
“If it happened today, the mass suicide of Heaven’s Gate members who be the stuff of memes in the darkest corners of the internet. The details were precise – black uniforms with matching “Away Team” patches, new white Nikes, purple shrouds. Each member with rolls of quarters and five dollar bills in their pockets, and duffle bags beside them”.

-Sawyers comment:
It was “three quarters” not rolls and that added up to $5.75 which is what Mark Twain said was the cost to ride the tail of a comet to heaven.
I didn’t know this when I was first interviewed by Zeller and others before him, though I did update him I believe before his book went to print. I don’t recall whether he mentions the Mark Twain “coincidence”.

12) It was reported that:
Though they are the only ex-Heaven’s Gate members in control of the group’s legacy and archives, there are other former adherents.
One, Rio DiAngelo wrote a book about his experience. Another, Sawyer, has a frequently updated blog, and often appears in the comments of articles and YouTube videos about the group.

The response from the Heaven Gate’s website admins gives a hint at the underlying tension between them and other ex-members. When I asked them about Sawyer, they replied:

“ There is one other person who was in the group who writes a blog but the group did not give him any instructions when they left and he hasn’t been in the loop of what is currently going on with their information. Simply said, he is doing his own thing.

Zeller told me:

“ There’s a lot of discussion about whether people should add to and explain the group or just let it be over. There’s a lot of debate over who owns the copyrights.

-Sawyers response:
The webmasters who I refer to as M and S, are wrong about who received instructions when they left, though I know it requires looking at all Do and crew said to M & S AND in their general and specific teachings of how to align with them, in this case “after” their exit. In the letters that M & S received, which I have there was a statement that was talking about the money they left behind, or that came from the sale of certain items and how they hoped it would be split up between “anyone who wants to participate in this project” (of disseminating their information and giving people who want to know the ability to know more about them – in depth, which was the reason they left the 484 or so audio tapes behind. Here are two actual quotes from one of the 5 letters sent to M & S in their FedX packet:

-“We put into storage items that we would prefer the authorities not have access to. You can do with those items whatever feels right to you. The only exception to this is some exercise equipment which belongs to our landlord, Sam, and we suspect he will want at some point.”

Still talking about the content of the storage that included a truck they suggested be used to load up the contents of one of the storage rooms:

-“Pursers have included an additional document as part of this packet that further covers the disposition of our cars and this truck. So we ask that you refer to that document for details. It is out desire that any items of value that are retrievable by you be divided among those who feel inclined to disseminate our information.  Any of the funds you retrieve can be used towards that end and for the living expenses of those involving themselves in this project.”

The items of value that are retrievable is referring to the content of the storage room that included stacked up in the very front of the storage room the cases of about 484 audio tapes. To not consider them the most valuble items in storage is blatently ignoring what was important to Ti and Do and crew but that is a choice to recognize but there are a number of other things said in these letters to give that impression.

However, one might wonder, why Do and Crew went to such a meticulous effort to cover their bases with providing their information to multiple former classmembers, backup webmasters and providers (Rkkody and Romania and an Atlanta couple) and sent the Beyond Human master video tapes to Jhnody in Venezuala (not to M & S) and sent Rkkody master exit video’s and CNN exit videos and other master materials to Rio and Flxody/Ablody but didn’t treat the 484 audio tapes with that same kind of planning.

From a human perspective it doesn’t make any sense or looks like an oversight. They could have easily bundled them up to spread them out among these believers who had dropped out of the class for their own reasons. Actually I was still in the class when we began transcribing these audio tapes but that effort was put on a back burner by 1994. The non-human explanation that I believe to be the most likley reason(s) for the way Do and Crew handled those tapes, was that this was the instruction Do got from Ti (who was outside her vehicle by then). The way he received instructions was often by asking specific questions and then seeing what ideas he got after that. I witnessed a great deal of how this worked. I never heard Do say Ti visited him in a physical way after her exit of her vehicle. (though Rio reported in his book that when they were in the Tucson, AZ area (around 1996 I think it was), 6 members of the class had an experience one night (3 in a dream, one of which was Rio and 3 reported the same thing but not in a dream) where they were visited by what Rio described as “six year old, hairless, little boys. Glowing like white phosphorescence with a blue tint and wore one piece, form fitting outfits, like Olympic speed skaters.”

However, when idea’s came they were like if someone told you something your mother or father or someone close to you had said, you knowing them might have a sense of whether or not that was something they would have said. I know this because while in the class, Do told the student body they could talk directly to Ti. (Ti had instructed us while incarnate to direct our committment to Do, though while incarnate when we had questions we treated them as a team). And he said with that we could report to him if we feel we get a response. I did talk to Ti and asked her a question and heard in my head a subtle idea/voice with a specific answer. I don’t actually remember what I asked and what the response was, but I reported it to Do and Do said to me, “sounds like something Ti might say”. Recognizing their Mind, though we shouldn’t get overconfident in non-physical forms of communication, like in Dreams, for instance is part of bonding with them and is as much a bond, even moreso potentially as between any humans who grow to know others and how they think/feel about things.

So, sometimes it’s that simple but the ramifications are enormous as in this case, Do not spelling out exactly what was to be done with the tapes ended up setting up a huge test criteria for all who came after, by informing what their intention was and then allowing the recipients, in this case M & S to choose to abide by their intention and to what degree or not.

Therefore my point is that there is a huge amount of evidence that ANYONE WHO WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECT OF DISSEMINATING THEIR INFORMATION WAS CONSIDERED TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHERS REGARDLESS OF WHO RECEIVED WHAT INSTRUCTIONS. We all dropped out because of our own weaknesses to overcome aspects of our humanness, but if we choose to still make application to be in Ti and Do’s service the opportunity is still available by our asking and showing by our actions.

In regard to the second part of M & S’s statement about me: “and he hasn’t been in the loop of what is currently going on with their information”.

What loop is that exactly? If they determine they are the sole guardians of the information, they are being deceitful as even in these few quotes I provided from the letters it’s clear they wanted ANYONE who desired to help with the project to receive help in funds, automobile etc. How does that mean one has to be in M & S’s loop on what’s going on with Ti and Do and Crews Information?

In the human way of looking at it all it makes perfect sense. To be in their loop would be to work with and for M & S in the ways they have organized that was given to them as a task to get started on but since have tried to take over all dissemination and even surpress dissemination by going after anyone who distributed information on their own as there is a great deal of evidence of. Remember, Do and Crew didn’t actually give them the masters of the Beyond Human video tapes and gave no instructions to have them copyrighted but they it seems convinced Jhnody to give them those masters that they have since copyrighted I believe. So they have been hard at trying to be the holders of all the information which by the way is the same way the Vatican Holy See in all it’s corruption did the same with the manuscripts of writings about Jesus and the Dead Sea scrolls, etc. limiting access to their inner circle and deciding which materials could be seen by the public.

M & S for years would not even provide myself and Crlody with the audio tapes. However, Rkkody did send me a cd with about half of the tapes he digitized and Carlan posted them on a sharing site and we both send them to anyone who wants them for free while M & S have finally put them up for sale on Heavensgate.com.

They are the webmasters and they got the instructions to make some choices but in Do’s mind like I’ve proven by the letter segments above, it’s up to each individual who is “in the loop” and has nothing at all to do with adhering to what M & S say and do. They are not Older Members from the Next Level with that authority. In the human world they have some authority for the time being.

But I do agree with M & S’s statement that sawyer is “doing his own thing”, at least from their perspective but what they don’t know is how much of “that own thing” is something Ti and Do approve of or even have tasked me to do, because if one believes in Ti and Do and who they were/are – the return of the Father and the one who was incarnate in the vehicle named, “Jesus”, with the hundreds of scriptural evidence of that, that I have ammassed, then their “project” is not at all done though it will quickly be done, but when it’s done we won’t be able to talk about it anymore in this way so there won’t be much question that it’s done. I can espound on that a great deal if anyone wants me to.

By the way, the gate is Do and Do did not close the gate. He said it would be open for a short time but remember to the Next Level 1000 years in human time is like 1 day so a short time is relative to what Ti and Do determine in the timing of when the gate is closed.

“Global Warming” Caused by Humans is Propoganda

March 10, 2016

I say, “Global Warming” Caused by Humans is Propoganda. Here’s why:

On friday night I was responding to a facebook friend in a comment to his article showing Barak Obama talking about what he said was the commonality between Trump and the other presidential contenders for the nomination – referring to their all being anti-immigration, anti-muslim and finally in that talk saying they all lack the common sense about the proven reality of “climate change”, which to me on this last issue (but on all of them) is complete doublespeak, the term purported at first in the book “1984” that seems to be an increasing norm to use by many human kingdom organizations ,both on the left and right.

The list is very long with the facts that show how polices have not changed under Barack Obama and if anything the policy he has taken to center stage along with Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton and others has been, “climate change” – again noting how they put out propoganda to talk about using that phrase succintley, because, of course there is climate change, as there has been for every day of everyone’s life throughout the world for as long as we have records. So I am a literalist in saying that but not being literal is often how mis/dis-information works.

The greatest misinformation proponents are those that say something they can see misunderstood and/or watch be slanted in any way the hearer wants to for whatever they want to believe or whatever agenda they wish to support. Ti and Do and crew said the Luciferian space aliens are masters of this and some even believe their own misinformation and then transmit that to human leaders they know have significant influence on humans to transmit to us. Because of how saturated the human kingdom has become with the Luciferian misinformation that even promotes their not existing, we would hardly stand a chance to see what is or isn’t misinformation, except in how Ti and Do and Crew came public to reveal by telling the truth.

A little background on what’s been going on to push ahead the Luciferian agenda unbeknown to most humans:

No where was this misinformation propoganda more pronounced and directly in front of the public than in what I believe happened in the coup d’etat in the 2000 presidential election when candidate Al Gore threw in the towel when he said on national television, that I watched, “every vote would be counted” referring to the many Florida voting irregularities. At that point the Florida supreme court actually ordered a complete recount but within hours the U.S. Supreme court ruled to override the Florida Supreme court order which was illegal as states are soverign in their policies regarding elections. But this was a coup and the media was integral to it’s success so we were all tricked into having G.W. Bush as president as it has been shown afterwards that if a recount had been done Gore would have won Florida and become president.

Gore and his party could have easily insisted on a court battle with the U.S. Supreme Court, but no chance of that as I’m certain he was instructed to cave to the “law” as they stated, so the BEAST-like humans who wear the uniforms and suits and white robes and the like and run the country and increasingly the world could play out the agenda they outlined in their think tank formed in 1997 called, “Progress for a New American Century” though their document, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” that called for a New “Pearl Harbor” event to motivate the people to increase military spending and activity to fight a “two front war” which they got with Afganistan and Iraq soon thereafter.

Ti and Do had said a number of times that the Next Level was holding back the forces that would descend on the U.S. after their exit to give Their  classroom the freedom to operate for as long as was needed to complete their lesson plan of “conquering/overcoming the human kingdom” enough to exit and move to each students next station in Next Level membership. This is directly shown by:

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The Lamb task was fulfilled by Do in his new human vehicle he took that was a fulfillment of prophecy in itself, describing him as:

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

The Candlesticks were the way the 7 groups of student souls were described. Son of Man was a term used for a number of Members of the Next Level who were incarnate, mostly applied to Adam, Ezekiel and Daniel and how Jesus mostly referred to himself and said would be returning with a new name because he would take a new human vehicle so is only “like” the ones before. His vehicle is the “garment” and upon awakening was completly covered – ceased sexuality and restrained (girt) any human seed bearing, procreative, reproductive programming (paps). It puzzled me for a while, why he was compared to the function of a woman but there is other supporting evidence of this in Rev 12 referring to his Father’s “footstool” as the “moon” – the mother that the Father was also depicted as by taking a “woman” – “generator” of life, vehicle. But one can even see that as an indication that he had the female side in his vehicle that he was also restraining, because before awakening he was attracted more to vehicles of his same gender – he was in a male vehicle that was expressing itself effeminately, said as “gay” or “homosexual” which is also more passionately enflamed and even “fire” to engage because to continue in those sexual passions meant to remain human and thus never evolve beyond to escape the recycling.

Do’s vehicle had whiteish hair when he took the stage in 1975 but even moreso in his second public interfacing in the Beyond Human Tapes and his head was “white” skinned. His vehicle was very passionate – said to have a great deal of charism as a stage presence serving as the lead in many performances in the Houston Opera – fire representing that passion. Feet is a way of describing his taking a “stand” in his human vehicle that was “a refined metal” in it’s strength and brilliance and his “voice” – disclosure is related to the Lions roar (waves of water) but as is always contined in prophecy even extends to his literal affection for music, producing sound from his vocal instrument. And he even chose a vehicle from the strain with the name, “applewhite” which is like saying, he had taken his failure as Adam and converted it into the purity of white light.

Also all these descriptions was directly shown by Ezekiel when he was approached by the “4 Living Creatures” who had one in between sitting on the
Throne and described in the same kinds of ways. (See Ezekiel chapters 1 and 2).

That’s just some of the evidence of how prophecy was fulfilled by Do in taking over the vehicle named Marshall Herff Applewhite. By the way, “marshall” is a rule enforcer and Herff seems to come from “sheriff” (but I’m not sure about that for Herff).

This is one of the many tasks Next Level members do that they even have fun with – setting up all these prophecies with each arrival of an incarnate member and then seeing to it that the prophecies are fulfilled when they are most needed – which is now to give a chance for all who are still open to seeing them fulfilled to accept the interpretations or not – so they are actually judging themselves.

So Do and graduate Crew fulfilled the Rev 6:1-2 “white horse” prophecy, where “bow” refers to his “litter” who he had “covenant” (rainbow) with to  conquer their humanness through Do’s “midwifing” that was the “spirit birth” Jesus said would occur upon his return with his “disciples” that required of them to be “born of water” (flesh birth) to complete – the metamorphosis of the Soul deposit’s growth inside the selected human vehicle by making their eye “single” with their Older Member’s will/instructions and example of doing the same which is the “christing” process.

Their exit in 1997 ushered in the next stage of allowing the Luciferian space aliens to wield their influence via their “radio wave like” transmissions to selected humans, described also as “horses” because the vehicles become those they “sit on” just as the Next Level does with human vehicles, except with the Next Level the vehicle itself needs to agree to every step. With the Luciferians the vehicle doesn’t even know how it’s being manuvered.

Thus this prophecy fulfillment of the “red/ruddy horse” is allowed to play out where it was held back before then, which is shown as this horse being “given a great sword” which means the Next Level was permitting the humans to do what they wanted with their military might:

Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

So the Democratic party seemed to cave by siding with the Supreme court decision and let the Neocons – the “new conservatives” whose plan for a “New American Century” was in the works by none other than Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and others who had been deeply involved in the Reagen administration, to let their Christian appearing “skull and bones” frontman take the presidency at the turn of the millenium which was also a type of continuation of the Bush/Clinton axis of power. Some researchers show they were both genetically linked to English and Spanish kings and queens and to Charlemagne, the Frankish (Germanic) emperor brought into power by pope Leo III whose authority was on the skids, to form what was to become the loose knit Holy Roman Empire that eventually gave rise to the Protestant Reformation, a further bastardization of what Jesus actually stood for while appearing to be returning to what he stood for by negating what had become Constantine’s Christiandom in the Catholic Church.

It can also be shown that Bush’s early ancestors seemed to be related back to the Kingdom of Israel. After Kingdom David’s succeeding son, Soloman  died there was a division when the Kingdom of Judah and soon thereafter the Kingdom of Benjamin moved north to Jerusalem and vicinity. However shortly thereafter that split they were attacked by the Syrians and many were scattered further north into Russia, east into India and west into Europe. Many of those in the two tribes migrated to the area around the Caspian sea and well into Russia and Siberia, the primary areas spoken of in the prophecy of Ezekiel as Magog which seems to be where a final battle is fought before Lucifer in particular is recycled, which seems to be scheduled for about a 1000 years after the judgement and recycling of the BEASTS (The U.S. and the E.U (little beast/horn of Daniel 7) and their land areas and judgement of those who most embody the False Prophets, the Christian and related Spiritual leaders/teachers and their supporters, those who side with them, who accept their “marks” and/or work for (worship) their “Image”  (illusionary “gods”) – false idols – the Universal Mind and Cosmic Consciousness proponents that are reported by contactees and channelers (Rael, Alex Collier, David Icke, Billy Meier, etc.) kin to the Luciferian Space Aliens ways of thinking that are also kin to overall Buddhist thought who like the Christians have their “christ” facsimili equivilent, referred to as the Maitreya, most popularily advanced by Benjimen Creme and others in the New Age movement). During that 1000 years Lucifer and his associates are once again somehow locked underground probably because they, like many humans will be hiding from the Next Level underground by then and the Next Level will somehow seal them there with the hybridized vehicles they propogated/engineered while they were allowed to surface in the U.S. since the 1940’s.

This link of the Bush strain to the Israelites then qualifys Bush as a “red” man, where the Adamic race begun by Adam’s failure resulted in propogation of what became the Israelites. The Hebrew adom means “ruddy”, or “blood (and man) faced” and one can play that out in the lineage of the English that becames the “Red Coats” in the Revolutionary war in the Americas and then to the Red republicans.

So the New World Order we have heard so much about was then emerging further to the fore, led by the U.S. and E.U., having had it’s start in 1945 with the formation of the United Nations headquartered in the new “great city of Babylon” – New York City, which is actually with Washington D.C. – the District of Columbia (where Lady Columbia was the forerunner for Lady Liberty) and is described to a tee in Rev 17 and 18 as the “seat of the BEAST” and how NYC was actually the first capital of the U.S. when it was called, New Amsterdam, which is most interesting in how the E.U. also has a juxtaposed relationship with it’s “seat of the (little) Beast as the E.U. in Switzerland’s Geneva, the location of the second U.N. Headquarters with the Scandanavian countries and especially Norway with it’s capital in Oslo showing history with the Eurpopean based “space aliens” that Hitler seemed to have begun relationships with who seemed to have an underground facility under Antartica, reported by the Russians that Hitler created a base in an underground lake they could enter via their Uboats.

NYC being the New “great city of Babylon” in prophecy is moreorless run by the descendents of those migrating Israeli tribes. Many of those who fled Germany having arrived in Germany in great numbers before World War I often having fled from their failed coup attempt to topple the Russian Czar Stalin often mixed with the non-Jews and all points west but who Hitler was even more permissive of leaving Germany because of so ended up as the last major migration of Jews from western Europe – all arriving in the New York harbor greeted by Lady Liberty (Columbia), the personification of the Woman who rides the U.S. BEAST that it would appear by several prophecies may further manifest with Hillary Clinton as the next president of the U.S. and New World Order that Barak Obama has done a great deal to foster and that Bernie Sanders can be shown to play significant roles in as a fulfillment of the Pale/Green horse for the opening of the 4th Seal that turns into the One World Government – despite having the continued appearance of individual country soverignty.

Perhaps the biggest descriptive term for this New World Order is “green” most propogandised as the need to save the planet and humanity from Global Warming which began in earnest with Democratic presidential opponent to G.W. Bush in 2000, Al Gore’s documentary, “An Invonvenient Truth” he made in 2006 that has turned into quite the “convenient” cover for the truth. How quickly it caught on winning an award in the Sundance film festival and earning some 25 million in the box offices around the U.S. and given private screenings in the British parliment to gain their support.

Regardless of whether they believe their own “science” or not, it’s a boon for whatever they want to put into motion to make money from and foster  new alliances from, while appearing to be saving mankind from itself. No need for messy talk of aliens taking over the world or of a God destroying the world with heat and yet a way to blame the many evidences of progress of the fulfillments of prophecy in earth changes and human responses on our fossil fuel usage – drought, cancer from ozone depletion, earthquakes from drilling or fracing, bigger storms because of fresh water from the melting glaciers mixing with warmer salty water, food shortages, water shortages – all reasons for disease outbreaks, etc. Meanwhile the economy is gutted, infastructures are crumbling, surfacing dirty deeds by govn’t officials to redirect monies or save their own salaries, increased technogies in space to monitor the global warming and of course the need for a bigger security state and military might and survailence state to thwart the reactions to all the mistrust of gov’t and outright rebellion.

In Gore’s ending message in the movie it makes the case that each person who is responsible for the global warming catastrophe can be a part of the solution by recycling their glass and metal and paper, buying hybrid cars and changing the way they heat their homes, etc. all a boon for corporations and providing more openings for investment into businesses that can steer away from fossil fuel dependance. It is even humanitarian because if the planet is about to experience cataclysm those humans who don’t depend on fossil fuels will stand the best chance of surviving while the rich fortify their underground city facilities all over the nation, near to all the major cities or a short airflight to where they can generate power by the solar electric generating facilities, rather than try to store billions of gallons of oil and ways to refine it. So it works for all involved and even shows an effort to have less pollution while also giving a boost to nuclear energy generation.

In the movie Gore says it’s not a political issue but a moral one, describing, “the possibility of the collapse of a major ice sheet in Greenland or in West Antarctica, either of which could raise global sea levels by approximately 20 feet, flooding coastal areas and producing 100 million refugees. Melt water from Greenland, because of its lower salinity, could then halt the currents that keep northern Europe warm and quickly trigger dramatic local cooling there”.

Sounds like a doomsday prediction that he doesn’t need to assign to God’s wrath, employing fear and guilt and even a way to think we can do something about it, almost like the “indulgences” the Catholics began selling to pretend paid for one’s sins. People could hop on the “save the earth” bandwagon and claim that anyone who doesn’t see as they see are in “climate denial” or are ignorant conservatives who probably believe in god.  All of a sudden I recall seeing ads by people like Hannah Montana, the Disney star creation talking about “saving the planet”. It’s really a new religion and the Luciferians are delighted because it distracts from their many agenda’s the govn’t is in bed with, whether they know it or not.

So as I was responding to this post of Obama’s talk that included his “climate change” preaching and looking down his nose on anyone who questions his/their “science”, I was asking Ti and Do for help to have something to refer to, to help show some that it’s not a given that human activity heads the primary responsability. Note I am saying “primary responsability” as of course one can see that burning all fossil fuels delivers certain gases into the atmosphere. For years I figured the Sun was the biggest factor to consider as primarily responsible for “climate warming” of late but I had ideas noting the facts that there have been ice ages and warming times said to be throughout the earth’s history when there is no evidence of a global wide scale of industrialization at those times. (However, I knew there were past civilizations on earth as Ti and Do indicated there were that I also saw evidence of and thought made sense.)

So I saw this volcano eruption story and it felt like a response from Ti and Do and Crew, though I know I could be wrong. Here is the story:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/ecuador-volcano-sends-up-towering-cloud-of-ash/ar-BBqpviq?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

But when I went to the comment section of the article I saw two comments that spoke about the many volcano’s currently in stages of eruption and it occurred to me a question as to why when a volcano puts out tons of CO2 – Carbon di-oxide and H2O (water vapour) (and SO2 – Sulfur dioxide and other gases) and ash particulate it causes GLOBAL COOLING but when human activity in the burning of fossil fuels puts out CO2 it is said to do the opposite and promote global warming.

The global cooling from volcanic eruptions has been frequently documented even before thermometers and satelitte data and ocean temperture monitors but is explained by some scientists is supposed to be from the carbon in the atmosphere that doesn’t let the sunlight in to do it’s warming – common sense right. You stand in the shade you are cooler. Yet the human developed CO2 and particulate is said to let the suns rays through and even trap them close to the surface creating the warming trends and other changes. Are the volcano’s CO2 particles less reflective than what comes from the oil we burn. Anyone that’s lived near or in a big city like Los Angeles, New York or Phoenix knows what smog looks like. Why is that particulate reflective while volcanic fog isn’t?

I was in L.A. in 1971 staying with friends when helicopters would come overhead with a loudspeaker and tell people to go inside because the smog level was dangerous for their health. I was in Phoenix to often see some of the worst smog of anywhere and it’s common in NYC as well and probably  most cities, but it’s limited to the area around where it’s most produced and it does disipate and is blown away and doesn’t block out that much sunlight but I suppose it can get worse. But if it’s not happening over the oceans and not happening in the mountains and not happening over big swarths of land where there are no cities, what keeps the heat from escaping to the upper atmosphere and/or out into space except I guess in the area the smog is thickest. But heat doesn’t work that way. As anybody that has worked with insulating houses. The cooler air sinks which creates a current that draws the warmer lighter air. If you have one opening in your house in the winter it will create a draft that will draw the heat out of the entire house. If the earth was like a house why wouldn’t the same thing occur where the hot air is drawn away from where it’s humanly created. I know, I’m not a scientest which is why I don’t see it but that’s not at all my only questioning of what we are told. Of course I tend to question many things I’m told and always have.

When my mother had my vehicle’s baby sister I was 5 years old and I asked where babies came from. My parents didn’t know how to answer that. They were afraid to say, “out of the mothers vagina” and could give more info if the kid wanted it. I guess that was considered to be immoral to talk about for many then. Anyway when they had no answer, I shrugged my shoulders and put up my hands and said, “well things don’t just happen!”.

But yes I am influenced by my beliefs in Ti and Do, though I can’t recall their talking about global warming or the prophecies of calamity from increased heat. But the timing of my coming upon the eruption story in Ecuador seemed like another one of those coincidences of a response to my question so I began to dig more into the history of climate changes, not because I need that evidence but for those that might need a little help or impetus to think outside this human caused global warming box and/or to talk it better to others to give them a chance to do the same as to go along with anything the gov’t tells me is frankly suspect.

The evidence of climate change can be seen as a part of several historic warming and cooling patterns that are not from millions of years ago that don’t require NASA or geologists to take core samples of ice caps to document. After all it was after the event known as the “Medieval Warm Period” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period) some now call the “Medieval Climate Optimum”, a suspicious way of not saying it was a “warm period”, that came a period from about 1300 to 1850 that’s referred to as the “little ice age”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age.

That period seems to have ended in the beginning of the 1800’s that evidenced at least 4 volcanic eruptions in Indonesia, Japan the Phillippines and Caribbean, the biggest of which was after these that occurred from April 5-15th of 1815 on Mount Tambora in Indonesia that brought about a global-wide “year without a summer” in the spring and summer and fall of 1816 that is well documented in diaries to the bringing about of record cold to Southeast asia, China, India, Europe and North America among the most documented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer . Some of the reports were of a “persistant fog”, called the “dry fog” because rain didn’t wash it away and wind didn’t blow it away yet it reddened and dimmed the sunlight. The picture of a location covered in black smoke from a volcano wasn’t what was evidenced in New England. On June 6th there was snow in Albany, NY and in Maine. Every day in May was below freezing in upstate NY. July 7th some said everything stopped growing. August 23rd saw frost in the Massechusetts Berkshire hills. Cape May, NJ had front 5 nights in a row in late June. July and August showed lake and river ice in Northwest Pennsylvania. Frost in Virginia on August 20 and 21st. Tempertures went from 95 degrees to near freezing in hours. East Winds prevailed for 3 months. The sun was obscured by sky overcast and clouds.

There was famine in Great Britian due to crop failures of wheat, oats, potatoe. In Germany there were riots and arson and looting and in many European cities. Cholera broke out in India. Cold in China killed trees, rice crops and water buffalo.

A recent report from the Berkley Earth Surface Temperture group said the temperture dropped 1 degree celsious. And during that time occurred the “Dalton Minimum” solar cycle 6 they said caused the temperture drop. That is a report of a sun spot minimum that took place from Dec 1810 – May 1823. May of 1816 was the lowest sunspot number listed as .1

It’s interesting that people can think the lack of sunspots can produce cooling affects but often don’t want to consider that more sunspots could produce warming affects as I have been saying was probably the biggest cause of global warming – not rocket science to observe as we know that when sun spots are very active and produce CME’s – coronal mass ejections that sends waves of increased electromagnetic energy/heat – literal fire that depending on where on the sun it occurs can directly hit the earth.

Perhaps that’s why since 1975 scientists say there has been the greatest surge in temperture, especially in the U.S. west. Is it coincidence that Ti and Do considered the western U.S. from the Mississippi River to the Pacific the vicinity where they felt their best connection to their Older Member. (They both spoke about Ti’s Older Member as their Older Member even though Do knew Ti was his Older Member).

I could go on and on and on with evidence that this “given” by the so called scientific community, that says humans are responsible for the global warming trend is not at all a given and has many common sense and scientific and historic evident reasons to question.

Isn’t it interesting that it’s the largely Republican religious that most question these science claims. That’s not to say I side with the Republican religious on any other issue. Actually to be engaged in politics to try to hold office doesn’t seem to me to be a way of “seperating from one’s humanness” – the formula for upcoming prospective members of the Next Level to choose to gravitate to, as Ti and Do taught was required to graduate though was accomplished in stages in several incarnations.

But perhaps the reason many of the religious Christians don’t necessarily go along with the science of human caused global warming is because, despite the many areas where many Christians have participated in or embraced a misinformed distortion and/or dilution of the teachings of Jesus, (that are the same exact teachings of Ti and Do with up to date more accurate terms and thinking about), many are aware that it was said by Old Testament prophets that Jesus also quoted and in the Book of Revelations, (that evidence suggests Ti and Do and helpers (prophets past) stimulated in previous incarnations) that the current civilization would be both purged and eventually destroyed by fire this time, not by water, thus heat in several forms are made manifest increasingly until the option to show one’s allegience to Ti and Do and/or the Next Level is “done” and the civilization is fully spaded and recycled to rest and start a new experiment within.

Another characteristics of fire as used in Jesus and Ti and Do’s teachings relates to the way the pressure on human kingdom is increased when they arrive and again after their exit, which is the reason this LAST harvest period is referred to as the “Winepress” because we, our vehicles are like grapes and our vehicle is under pressure to yeild it’s fruit, which is the Next Level Mind we receive as we absorb and adopt more and more of  everything provided by the Older Members in their thinking, behaviors and ways. We can choose how to respond to their provided increase of pressure ultimately by either becoming with them or against them. Those against them end up siding with humans in any number of ways while those with them side with them. Those against them then are taken out of circulation because of their being more subject to the human stimulated diseases because they don’t ask for help to avoid or treat those problems as they arrise. However, where those who grow to be for Ti and Do do meet their exit of their vehicles, for those that choose to “stand for Ti and Do” in the face of ever increasing opposition to doing so that could result in their loss of their vehicles because of. In that case those souls would be “saved” for a future planting while the others are not because they won’t have the potential to grow to become members of the Next Level.

That pressure is also equivilent to the force needed to purge out impurities from gold ore to arrive at pure gold. It’s a “trial by fire” process that is stimulated by the close proximity of the Older and Younger Next Level Members Mind coming into close proximity to the earth and walking among us and taking human vehicles to communicate with us and show us how to change over and make our vehicle pure from. How much we do to move towards that purity is up to us. The Next Level doesn’t hold anyone back from giving their all, while continue to work with those who don’t yet feel they have the strength to give their all but seek the Next Level’s help to grow further towards.

Here are the indications of some of that and this fourth angels pouring out of his vial has not yet fully transpired.

These “angels soundings” seem to have begun in 1900 to where each “sounding” had with it a stage of what was described in the prophecy so the fourth sounding seems to have encompassed the 1930’s to 1940’s, the time of the Dust Bowl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl) caused by massive drought that is reported in this Wikipedia article, saying, “the causal mechanism for the droughts can be linked to ocean temperature anomalies. Specifically, Atlantic Ocean sea surface temperatures appear to have had an indirect effect on the general atmospheric circulation, while Pacific sea surface temperatures seem to have had the most direct influence.”

I add this as additional evidence that thinking drought is caused by human activity isn’t nearly the given it’s being made out to be of late.

I suspect this “dust bowl” was what was prophesied here:

Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

However this doesn’t seem to be the only time and way in which this prophecy would play out as there seems to be a direct correlation with every one of the seven Angel’s sounding of the described characteristics of each sounding to two primary periods of time. The first as shown in the 1930’s – 1940’s just prior to the arrival time of the Next Level Older Members and crew via intentional crashing of some of their primitive spacecraft in the late 1940’s to early 1950’s which seems to have been the prep time for the FIRST of the two harvest stages. And as a matter of fact the baseline some environmental scientists use to measure against for their “global warming” prostications is from 1951 to 1980 with 1975 showing the greatest jump in tempertures thereafter. (I can’t help but equate that with Ti and Do’s having fully awakened to their task and first public meetings in 1975 as one of the things they said was that they were bringing the “light” from the distant heavens and that terminology went hand in hand with prophecy of how that “light” from the Next Level amounts to a stimulus and pressure to grow by or be burned up by to where the burning up by translates to the waste of that force via the passions when it can be used to boost one’s consciousness above human. It’s also interesting how the Luciferians created the facsimili of that process as a tantric (sexual) meditation of moving one’s creative force up the chakra’s to awaken the kundelini force, they say yields one’s enlightenment, except what it does is enlightens one to a bonding with Luciferian misinformation mind that is a dead end because the Next Level Older Members aren’t involved in the redirection of that “force” used instead to purify the vehicle ALL IMPORTANTLY FOR USE IN SERVICE TO THE OLDER MEMBERS, rather than for self service.

So the second major time period in which the events initiated by the sounding of the seven trumpets by those messengers from the Next Level is seen by the corresponding Seven Angels pouring out their vials, with the fourth listed as:

Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

This shows what is upcoming as though these characteristics continued from their first introduction to the U.S. apparantly it’s about to get much hotter, at least in the U.S. west and southwest which we certainly have seen with the Texas to California drought and the huge amount of increases in forest fires each year in the entire west.

Note that these don’t change the minds of who is responsible as many of the scientists have no Next Level mind in them anymore so can’t take these prophecies seriously nor the idea that the Creators are running the earth, while those who do take the prophecies seriously will mostly say they are the signs of what was supposed to happen ahead of Jesus return which is true but that they won’t necessarily recognize before they lose their physical vehicle if they don’t open up to how Ti and Do were their incarnate return in the task of the Two Witnesses and literally start a relationship with them by learning everything about they said and beginning to take a stand for them. (Do did indicate that even those that never heard of Ti and Do could be “saved on ice”, but for those that do hear about Ti and Do, the requirements are higher because they received more help to wake up to Their reality as what Ti and Do taught can never become just a body of information to study without application.

That application minimum was laid out well by Jwnody in “Away Team from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure” as:

“In order to get saved for further planting, the overriding requirement is to recognize that this is true (these are the facts).  You must believe that we represent the Kingdom that created this planet and all of its inhabitants.  And you must be willing to take a stand in defense of that belief, and sustain that stand until the end – your departure – regardless of the consequences.”

Now that’s not to say we are held back to necessarily just being saved. Do always thought about helping us rise to our best potential not the least as he can be seen saying in the Beyond Human Series of “why do you just want to be saved”. Do also spoke about the three types of people who would go with them. Two of those types had started to engage their metamorphosis that entails seperating from one’s humanness and connecting with a present member or an active student of a present member as Jwnody also described:

“The formula is the same now as it always has been.  To begin a metamorphosis in order to be born into the Next World, you must abandon everything of this world (just as the caterpillar about to become a butterfly must do).  You must separate and begin to wean yourself of all mammalian ways – ties and addictions – replacing them with the ways and behavior of a more advanced and refined level of life.  You cannot do it by yourself.  You must seek, to the best of your ability, the guidance of a Representative who is a member of that kingdom, who has been through the metamorphic process at a previous time, and who has been sent with the specific task of midwifing newborns.  Or, at very least, you attempt to connect with an active “student” of a present Representative.  This is an extremely rare opportunity, as we approach the End of the Age.  There is a tiny remnant left of a window for catching the eye of the “caretakers of this world.”
(From https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/away-team-from-deep-space-surfaces-before-departure/)

Prophecy seems to indicate some could still graduate to receive what I suspect would be a student model Next Level grown vehicle. Jwnody wrote about this possability, referring to some who were with them at the time which serves as a type of verification of the prophecy during the opening of the fifth seal. These verses describe some who are slain for the word of God and for the testimony they held:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

“Taking a stand” in what Jwnody described is kin to “standing up by giving one’s testimony” in the prophecy. In this prophecy “slain” is the Greek “sphazo= meaning in this context being put to death or mortally wounded by violence, unlike the way the Two and Crew “exited/seperated by dying themselves” in Rev 11:7 which was mistranslated to “kill” from greek apokteino.

I take it that’s one “consequence” some will meet for standing up for Ti and Do’s truth in days to come. Prophecy indicates that’s more to come – the “conquences” that could even result in one’s death during the upcoming time of the opening of the 4th seal because it’s during the 3rd seal opening (as we speak) when Obama the black horse is at the helm of the BEAST that those described as the “Oil and Wine” are not harmed. I suspect the Oil are those who are attempting to totally seperate from their human worldliness and standing for Ti and Do while the wine would be those who are not necessarily totally seperating from their humanness but are at least willing to stand for Ti and Do.

Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Thus if I have that right, those that do lose their life standing for Ti and Do are granted “white robes” – that’s a Next Level grown vehicle I believe, said as “robe” distinguishing it from the “linen” priests wore in the Moses camp:

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Those who receive “linen” Next Level vehicles are depicted as returning with Do who is using his Next Level vehicle (that may be the same one he took with him that was named Jesus) returning as an “armada” of bright lights in the heavens as Do expressed the possability of in the Beyond Human tapes and Ti and Do made reference to as the 7th closeness being Jesus return in the statement published in, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary”, which is described in Rev 19 that other prophecy seems to describe as consisting of the Lamb (the one who was incarnate as Jesus) with the “Four Living Beings” (mistranslated to Beasts) who each have a crew of 6 members so add up to the 24 elders with them – the ones who among the 38 + 4 who seem to most likely receive adult Next Level vehicles:

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

I’m not giving all the detail that’s available to further support these interpretations as they are all tied into other parts of the Revelations prophecies and things Jesus said and to things Moses and Old Testament prophets said/wrote about and of course other things Ti and Do and Crew said/wrote about.

In addition to these prophecies that indicate scorching heat to come that will test everyone even more that follows the further outbreak of disease – sores of the body and mind as described in the first angel’s pouring out of vial (that by the way is indicated as affecting those that are showing their allegience to the BEAST, thus patriotism as one form) which is human generated because of what the Next Level is doing to increase the pressure on the physical earth and the humans, that we are seeing just the beginning of, and following the destruction of sea that we are seeing by the fukashima reactors dumping of tons of radioactive waste that seems to be indicated will escalate by volcanic activity polluting the seas as the second angel’s vial pouring out and followed by the further contamination of drinking water that brings with it increased bloodshed as the third angels pouring out of a vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters, which again can be the byproduct of the way human bad behaviors in terms of caring for infastructes are stressed by Next Level adjustments, additions, each of which mount the tests on humans that are all opportunities for people to recognize the Next Level as bringing “Their” garden to a close, so prompting them to shift their allegience to the  Next Level. Otherwise without these last ditch efforts to help them wake up, many would never stand a chance of waking up.

Here is some further data that brings into serious question the alleged claim that humans are the primary cause of global warming:

Apparantly there was a “Medieval Warm Period” from about 950 to 1250 AD followed by a “little ice age” generally thought to span from about 1300 to 1850.

Below are excerpts from wikipedia and Britanica articles. It’s interesting to note that these are regularily updated and in the wikipedia articles I know that those doing the updates are most always university professors of various science departments. So their bias is often included sometimes in subtle ways like suggesting human aersols have a global affect on cooling or that human population decreases like from the Black Death could have had a global affect on cooling because there are less people to burn trees to clear land to grow food so doesn’t offset the production of greenhouse gases. Or some will call volcanic gases “aeresols” instead of showing they are made up of mostly SO2 (Sulfur Dioxide) and CO2 (carbon dioxide – green house gas) and H2O vapors. I take notice because some will say the CO2 from human generation holds in the heat of the planet which they admit comes from the sun mostly while the CO2 from volcano’s reflects the heat back into space causing cooling. When I questioned one environmental science university student as to this varience in the way CO2 is considered, he indicated it had to do with amounts of CO2 saying the CO2 from volcano’s was .6% where from humans was 82% over a years time frame.

So I would ask, what year they were measuring and does it matter how many volcano’s are in the measure and how active they are putting out the gases and for what duration and whether each volcano’s has the same percentages of the type of gas emitted and over how many years do those numbers pertain. The more one gets into this the shakier their “science” seems to be just like with the vaccination science or other chemical accumulations in our environment. For instance some will say, the amount of “fomaldahyde” in vaccines is less than what we get from nature. Then one will come upon a warning that a volcanic gas can be fomaldahyde and how there is no safe amount to have in the body. These scientists really need a big database so they can cross check what one another says.

Here’s another excerpt – and note the spin calling it the “Medieval Climate Optimum, or Medieval Climatic Anomaly”. What is an “optimum” and why is it an “anomaly” – Is it because there is no significant human activity changes can be attributed to so one has to conceed it’s “naturally occurring” something we don’t even have to believe in God to consider, but then it can’t be used to generate monies from:

The Medieval Warm Period (MWP), Medieval Climate Optimum, or Medieval Climatic Anomaly was a time of warm climate in the North Atlantic region that may also have been related to other climate events around the world during that time, including China and other areas, lasting from about 950 to 1250. It was followed by a cooler period in the North Atlantic termed the Little Ice Age. Some refer to the event as the Medieval Climatic Anomaly as this term emphasizes that effects other than temperature were important. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

Possible causes of MWP from Britanica:

Many scientists arguing for the existence of the MWP have noted that the interval was characterized by an increase in incoming solar radiation paired with a relative absence of volcanic activity. (Aerosols expelled from volcanic eruptions have been shown to block a portion of incoming sunlight.) The combination of both phenomena would contribute to an increase in air temperatures. Some scientists have also attributed warmer air temperatures in the North Atlantic region to the delivery of warmer seawater (heated by solar radiation unimpeded by volcanic aerosols) by the Gulf Stream and other currents.
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and…

The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period (Medieval Climate Optimum). While it was not a true ice age, the term was introduced into the scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939. It has been conventionally defined as a period extending from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries, or alternatively, from about 1300 to about 1850, although climatologists and historians working with local records no longer expect to agree on either the start or end dates of this period, which varied according to local conditions.

The NASA Earth Observatory notes three particularly cold intervals: one beginning about 1650, another about 1770, and the last in 1850, each separated by intervals of slight warming. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report considered the timing and areas affected by the LIA suggested largely independent regional climate changes, rather than a globally synchronous increased glaciation. At most there was modest cooling of the Northern Hemisphere during the period.

Several causes have been proposed: cyclical lows in solar radiation, heightened volcanic activity, changes in the ocean circulation, an inherent variability in global climate, or decreases in the human population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

The leveling off between the 1940s and 1970s may be explained by natural variability and possibly by cooling effects of aerosols generated by the rapid economic growth after World War II.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

Evidence from mountain glaciers does suggest increased glaciation in a number of widely spread regions outside Europe prior to the twentieth century, including Alaska, New Zealand and Patagonia.

There is still a very poor understanding of the correlation between low sunspot activity and cooling temperatures. During the period 1645–1715, in the middle of the Little Ice Age, there was a period of low solar activity known as the Maunder Minimum. The Spörer Minimum has also been identified with a significant cooling period between 1460 and 1550. Other indicators of low solar activity during this period are levels of the isotopes carbon-14 and beryllium-10.
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Note also how they do indicate lows in solar radiation as a cause for cooling yet they will nearly never suggest highs in solar radiation for the warming trends that preceded this little ice age and came after it.

Then there is this notion to fix human caused global warming as they see it with what I see as bizarre actions but are typical of technologiest gone wild:

“Some scientists have suggested using aerosols to stave off the effects of global warming as an emergency geoengineering measure. In 1974, Mikhail Budyko suggested that if global warming became a problem, the planet could be cooled by burning sulfur in the stratosphere, which would create a haze. An increase in planetary albedo of just 0.5 percent is sufficient to halve the effect of a CO2 doubling.

The simplest solution would be to simply emit more sulfates, which would end up in troposphere – the lowest part of the atmosphere. If this were done, Earth would still face many problems, such as:
Using sulfates causes environmental problems such as acid rain
Using carbon black causes human health problems
Dimming causes ecological problems such as changes in evaporation and rainfall patterns
Droughts and/or increased rainfall cause problems for agriculture
Aerosol has a relatively short lifetime

The solution advocated is transporting sulfates into the next higher layer of the atmosphere – stratosphere. Aerosols in the stratosphere last years instead of weeks – so only a relatively smaller (though still large) amount of sulfate emissions would be necessary, and side effects would be less. This would require developing an efficient way to transport large amounts of gases into stratosphere, many of which have been proposed though none are known to be effective or economically viable.

In a blog post, Gavin Schmidt stated that “Ideas that we should increase aerosol emissions to counteract global warming have been described as a ‘Faustian bargain’ because that would imply an ever increasing amount of emissions in order to match the accumulated greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, with ever increasing monetary and health costs.”
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One can see clearly how left to these science “religionists” where their laboratories are their churches and their men and white coats with degrees their priests make witch doctors look tame.

I know they can do many things and can solve some problems, especially when problems are running wild like cancer for instance that mostly comes from environmental degredation caused by humans. So if one get’s it if they survive their hugely invasive means to solve the problem they appear to be miricle workers.

Phoenix Lights=alien attempt to upstage Heavens Gate HaleBopp Comet Encounter

February 7, 2016

Below is my comment to a blogger who reports new airforce footage of a jet following a triangle shaped black, so called UFO, that allegedly occurred during the famous March 13th 1997 Phoenix Lights sightings. The link to her blog and the link to the video of the jet in pursuit of the triangle UFO is at the end of this post. (It shows the cockpit view from the jet and the craft it is in pursuit of that is black and triangle shaped and is very clearly some type of manufactured craft dipping and rolling about).  I wanted to express some of what I thought could have been behind the Phoenix lights event, whether this triangle craft was space alien generated or U.S. govn’t instigated or a joint human and human equivilent program development – perhaps the least likley scenerio, at least in any kind of direct fashion.

Sawyer’s comment:

You could be right about some or all of what was called the Phoenix Lights being staged one way or the other, either by humans and/or by space aliens. If it was staged by humans or space aliens, I say it was because of ideas given to humans to have a reason to do so and at that specific time and location, because that’s how both the space aliens and humans work. Ti and Do taught that all humans to include human equivilent space aliens are influenced by discarnates and/or thought projections and it’s the ones known as Lucifer and his associates, who wield the biggest influence and who teach mortal discarnates to do the same which can be as simple as giving certain humans who have authority direction as ideas they would have.

The space aliens are not one group either. Their made up of multiple races, literally brought to the earth vicinity without their knowledge by the provisons of highways in the heavens they were given a one way pass on. Othewise there was no way for them to traverse the distances within even a number of human lifetimes, though some do have extended liftimes that Do indicated to about 1000 years (which shows in the records of the current early part of the civilization).

So the space alien races don’t have one organization though may have alliances with one another that extend to human governmental organizations, I believe Ti and Do also indicated. Ti and Do spent little time on all this. It’s little tiny one sentence tidbits that when looking back and combining with what we learn about from reports shape a picture that makes reality look far stranger than any fiction, though The Next Level is the source of even that fiction indirectly and directly, though some of which comes from the ideas the Luciferian space aliens provide humans in thought as ideas and motivations to play out their agendas.

So the aliens have competitions among one another for the spoils of the planet” whcih is also spelled out in non-religious historically recorded word of mouth/written Jesus forcasting of this time, referred to as prophecy. However, in general, which always works it’s way down to the same specifics the aliens have the same agenda to steal “souls” and/or to advance human’s in technological development they can benefit from and/or advance their hybridization programs to develop new bodies from, they can program for their use (that the bodies don’t know is happening because of the mind control over them from their bith as we also see throughout human populations) or to develop longevity and survivalist technologies and sustainable energy system development – to power their spacecrafts and environments on craft and provide sustenence that also carrys over to their hiding in their underground bases where they have been forced to retreat during previous civilizational recycling times.

I know from reports that particular triangle shaped black craft that look like the one later shown to be among the first “stealth” aircraft designs were seen by people I’ve read in reports over the years and had conversation with one who is a Hopi descendent in Arizona who did quite a bit of investigation into the Phoenix lights and the triangle shaped craft who went to Virginia and got a hold of some footage of the same kind of craft in that  airspace. Virgina seems to definitely be a hub and is even where Virginia Tech hosted a mirror Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” site and it’s interesting that it’s been “marked” it seems by the Next Level in these latest “fireball” sightings at the end of January of this year of 2016 that also marked Arizona with a sighting, Maine (kennebunkport?) to North Carolina and Kentucky, this time around.

By the way, those “fireballs” as I reported seem to be arriving in the same pattern as they did first in 2013 that started with the Russian Cherblynsk “meteor” that flew over that city and did result in some minor injuries from thousands of broken windows but no fatalities or serious injuries reported. In fact, each year starting in 2013 the Fireballs were followed by a near miss asteroid and a couple comet that in several cases came out of nowhere that came to perihelion within days of the March 22nd Hale Bopp’s perihelion, when the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” members layed down their lives, believing doing so was TIMED by the comet’s arrival as they had been anticipating since 1975 to come to pick them up. For those that know some of that history, one would know that at that time Ti and Do thought we’d be picked up with our vehicles, while they also thought each student that was fully embracing what they taught was literally growing something inside of our human bodies. They didn’t get any more specific than that at that time but only said we were going to experience “body changes”. It was many years later that Do spoke about how the “deposit” provided each who is “called” to the opportunity is a physical container that houses Next Level Mind (holy spirit). They knew that was what would be born but they didn’t know when the Next Level would move that “body” out of the human body and into the Next Level body that was to be “grown” for that student according to what they had risen to in their metamorphic changeover.  Therefore when it happened by their own hands that was the method to exit their human bodies and since those soul bodies are invisible to humans it was the “spririt/mind (soul) birth” Jesus spoke about happening upon his return. Therefore Ti and Do were 100% correct in thinking we would be picked up with our bodies – it just was the only body the Next Level harvests as they have no need for human bodies – they can grow them by the billions easily.

But why wouldn’t Ti and Do have said that it was our “soul body” that would be harvested in the first place. As they always said, they were only informed about what was going to happen and with certain understandings a little ahead of the student body. That is strategy becaues the Next Level knows the Luciferians will be looking for every way to create facsimili events and understandings and doubts and side issues to try to thwart the Next Level’s harvest of souls as they want souls for themselves, to add to their ranks and also resent the Next Levels authority over them so if nothing more want to try to prove them wrong at every turn.

And yet the Next Level knowing that uses it for several purposes. When something they say is later seen differently by them it’s uncanny to see how it resulted in a filtering of those who were not ready to go the distance of overcoming their humanness. Plus it provides another filter, giving people who might be on the fence an easy out as if someone wants an easy out, they too will not at that time go the distance, though for all it doesn’t mean once one has left a classroom or never even joined, that they can’t at any time switch gears and say to the Next Level, for those hearing this, to Ti and Do, they want to give it all they got, so want the help to do so. And by the way, if the “bombardment” from the lower forces we all must experience that trys to turn our eyes away from further growth towards Next Level Membership seems too hard to handle, then Ti and Do said we could ask the Next Level (Them) to ease up some.

Coming back to the Phoenix Lights, from the reports of that event, that triangle craft doesn’t seem to explain the famous “7 lights” that don’t look like one craft in their configuration, (but I don’t recall if they moved around, so could have been one craft or a combo of crafts forming a formation.) I don’t think drone technology was that well in place then).

What many in the know about space alien activity and in governments who have knowledge of space alien activity, that becomes divided into “good and bad aliens”, may not be open to considering, and that even some Christians who believe UFO’s are evidence of the fallen angels often don’t want to consider is that none of these are representative of the physical Living Above Human Beings who evolutionarily created everything. Some of these Christians will say, for instance that the UFO’s are satan yet will say space aliens don’t exist a typical way the Luciferians twist anyone’s thinking away from further reality. Where the non-christian based scientists and such, if they have recognized and dealt with the entire ufo and space aliens among us evidence will often say, there are both good and bad aliens – another Luciferian viewpoint that allows them to continue to enslave humans who were waking up more. As Jesus said “tricks” both in physical (ufo sightings and strange abduction accounts) and mental to miss the greater reality in front of us, to even sway those of the “elect” or “remainder”, another reason we won’t see the Next Level staging a sighting like the phoenix lights UNTIL the chance to be harvested in some fashion is passed as said in:

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

and then Do in his Next Level vehicle with graduates in their Next Level vehicles come with their armada of spacecraft “white horses” to be seen by EVERY EYE ON EARTH. I’d bet even the blind will have a minds picture of that, though that verse that says that also  refers to all manner of people seeing and some seeing because they have eyes to see.

NEXT LEVEL STRATEGY?

One thing that seems to be apparant is how Do and Crew of the 38 students had been building an “earthship” near Manzano, New Mexico until November of 1995 and suddenly got instructions from Ti (from His spacecraft) for Do and crew to move to Scottsdale,  and Paradise Valley, AZ. They had been hauling supplies to build their compound near Manzano “all summer long” (certain residents reported) and were regularily in touch with the people they rented office space from, that saw them everyday and knew of their earthship project and some of their far out thinking that wasn’t really out of place in that area.

The group bought that 40 acre plot, where they had intended to potentially stage or hope for an exit of their vehicles at the hands of the government, thinking along the lines of staging what happened at Waco with David Koresh and the Branch Davidian group. (Do was constantly seeking Ti’s will for them to conclude their nearly 25 years incarnate and was willing to provoke the government to accellerating their exit IF he felt Ti was behind their doing so. There is a great deal to talk about regarding Do’s thinking in this regard that can easily be ignored but I’ll just say that the human vehicle was never thought of as being harvested so how the souls would exit was always something  to try to stay in tune to as they also never knew when, though at one point they took a stab at it and the spacecraft didn’t come take us away so Ti told Do that he told us later after she left that she felt like she had “egg on her face” and then some students left the classroom shortly thereafter, presumably related to that forcast of “not more than 5 years” not being accurate. Ti and Do regretted saying that. Before saying that when asked how long before the craft comes, they would say “months”. That was their instruction to say and one can easily see why – because this wasn’t going to be a start of a new religion and they wern’t interested in lots of members, and they knew that it was possible to be months and they knew that one had to have a fire under them to hit the deck running or they would never make the grade. Ti and Do always kept an urgency about changing. It was a training program afterall.

It was in mid 1994 that we first believed we might have to “self exit” our vehicles as we put that suggestion into a poster used during the last meeting we gave in 1994 after 9 months of such meetings across the U.S. That was followed by a sense that no matter what we said publically, our exit and end of the task was probably not going to occur by another’s hand.

I was with them until September of 1994 when we had a meeting with even the new members of the group that had been gathered during that 2nd public meeting offering (after 17 years living in seclusion – “overcoming our human behaviors and ways”, which was after the first public meeting spree that also lasted for 9 months) where Do described in detail a plan to self exit by drinking a barbituate mixture that would essentially put our vehicles to permenant sleep, as it says in:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome ((to subdue)) them, and kill ((apokteino= seperate by dying) them ((auto= themselves)).

These double parens above are  the most accurate translation of those Greek words in this context. Ti and Do were subdued by the BEASTS (US) media in the public space (airwaves) and they weren’t put in graves yet their “fallen bodies” (reputations as they were called thieves) was in that public square for the “first third trimester half” as their story was in the media moreorless close to when Ti left her vehicle as we learned periodically.

At that meeting with Do in San Clemente warehouse in september of 1994 He asked each student, one by one, older and newer if they had any reservations as the first posters we used for the meetings said nothing about that kind of exit and there never was anything snuck up on anyone in my 19 years in the group. As it turned out a few did have reservations so Do asked what they wanted to do and they then wanted to leave the group and Do had “pursers” give them money and a train, bus or airplane ticket to wherever they wanted to go.

But that still didn’t leave Do with knowing that irreversilble action was to be their method of exit so he continued to explore alternatives as he had explored for most of the time I was a student, that actually started while Ti was still incarnate as they had that book by the Hemlock Society on all the ways one could self-exit. It’s really not suicide because suicide always includes some sort of negativity against self or others – for revenge or to escape difficult lessons on earth, lessons that we absolutely need to have our physical bodies to learn as once outside the physical body we are “set” in whatever we believed before we died.

I’ve already reported how some of us considered exiting by space craft pickup and/or by “fasting” our way out that was aborted after 14 days of a water only fast. And there was the time after the cocoon movie Do wondered about getting a boat to exit that way. He even bought a boat we had docked in Houston for as much as a year in case he felt instrucdton from Ti to all get on it and head out to sea.

If we believed in a Jesus that did it all (overcoming) for us, so that we didn’t have to do our own overcoming, then the “heaven” we get is just as fictitious when we die. If we die believing nothing is going to happen then that’s what we get – nothing. If we die thinking we will then be free, it is true but free only of the vehicle which is then also free to “change our mind” to grow, to have anything more than the freedom of floating around (though even that is limited though we won’t know we are limited as we won’t know that even in the first “heaven” – the spirit world there are “gates” and chambers, what Ti and Do called “buckets” or “boxes” which is a type of sorting the Next Level Above Human does with their school of spirits and souls as some who did the best they could with what they received will be “saved” for a future opportunity to be incarnate to learn more lessons at a time when an Older Member from the Evolutionary Level Above Human comes incarnate again to nurture towards an eventual chance to graduate their human condition to enter the Next physical Evolutionary Kingdom.

None of the space aliens have graduated. The fallen angels dropped out of a previous program before fully graduating though they did advance enough to have some service in the Next Level in elementary tasks as “watchers” (observers).

But back to the Phoenix lights:

So in the late fall Do got instructions to stop building the earthship though they told those in town, like I said, it was because of the upcoming winter. I’m not saying that didn’t have somthing to do with it, but as with all things associated with the Next Level there are all sorts of overviews but they don’t tell their servants on the ground incarnate more than they need to know as there is a strategy in it. They need strategy because the Luciferian space aliens have strategy as they try to second guess what the Next Level is going to do as they knew well who Ti and Do were and were seeking to steal away souls that were their students and also just resent how they have been restricted to the earth and a short distance into near space so want to do anything against them they can do.

The Next Level lets the lower forces do this against them because it provides all souls with the full free will to choose who to give allegience to, as Jesus said between the Kingdom of God and Mammon (all things that are wealth and treasure to humans). We build our strength of mind/spirit by rejecting human mammalian ways when we know there is something else to aspire to, which is why Older Members from the Next Level come incarnate to share with us in a way that’s direct to understand so not to be left with the archaic and distorted and diluted records (though the truth is still very apparant in all Jesus said, which is because the Next Level saw to it that record remained accurate enough to be used to help awaken future students to their reality and the overcoming process that Ti and Do equated to a metamorphosis).

They stayed in Scottsdale “until it started to get hot” and moved to Rancho Sante Fe from Paradise Valley, Arizona in the spring to summer of 1996.

So the strategy as I suspect was to give the Luciferians the idea they (Do and crew)  would be living and exiting from the Phoenix area and somehow blocking them from knowing when they moved to Rancho Sante Fe to exit.

But the Luciferians I suspect wanted to make their show to relate Ti and Do and crew to themselves, to the space aliens, especially for Christians to see as they had already begun to do though various sources like MUFON who had a staff member who specialized in UFO’s in religion and in the report of the Yellow Book Bob Lazar was shown where he read that the same ones who provided the 5 spacecrafts to the U.S. to back engineer their operation were the ones who also said, “we created Jesus” and said they had video footage of Jesus on the cross from that time period as proof. And I guess it’s possible they do have such footage.

That would indicate that there were some of the space aliens who did seek to commondeer who Jesus represented to turn people to themselves which is also a big part of what the Urantia Book also accomplished and then makes further sense out of the Paul of Tarsus contactee experience or at the least the idea for it, if Paul was directly working as like a double agent even unknowingly.

But the Next Level steers completly away from showing themselves to humans in such an obvious way as seven lights spread across the sky or as a triangular or wing shaped craft or as actually any of the sightings. The Next Level does things in ways humans see as “nature” – meteors, asteroids, fireballs, comets, signs in the sun, moon, stars, planets, signs in earthquakes, volcanos, storms, tornado’s, etc. weather events as then people still have no proof except the proof they get from a “deposit” that they must grow or lose that too.

After all Jesus said it would be the false christs (ians) and false speakers/teachers (prophets), that includes the space aliens directly an directly by teaching humans certain things that show “great signs and wonders” to even persuade those who are “called” (deposited with the soul container) to see the truth (which comes from the incarnate Two Witnesses who are the Father and the one called Jesus returned incarnate in the names Ti and Do.

In other words the Luciferians want to further muddy the water and this is also what is behind the “war in the heavens” – armageddon which is in progress and is a war for souls. Souls are literal deposits of the equivilent of a larva (seed, embyro) that has the potential to become a new child in the Next Level that can become an adult in the Next Level eventually.

I suspect Ti, knowing of the Luciferian plan afoot threw them a curve ball by appearing to locate in Scottsdale to exit. I suspect the Luciferians knew the exit was very near, maybe even expected it at spring solstice, passover time – the time the Israeli tribes exited from their bondage and the significance of comets.

Even if I am wrong about some of this, it’s occurred to me as I ask and dig to see more so may be accurate enough that it might help others come out of “spiritual” thinking a little more to see some of the potentials in strategy. We can think Lucifer is a myth – certainly one of the ploys he likes to spin in his web of lies along with the rest so perhaps this can be of value to someone.

That staging event doesn’t make sense to me otherwise as the Space Aliens have no reason to woo the general public though since saying that the idea popped into my head that this was staged to steal souls – an agenda they definitely have and what better time to do that but when the Next Level are drawing that huge attention. The Next Level may have blocked them from doing so at other times as if we can be wooed by the Luciferians as our choice then the Next Level gives us opportunities to be wooed though at the same time they give opportunity to ignore that wooing and keep our eyes on Them.

Here is the link that stimulated this but I am also aware that a movie is coming out in March about the Phoenix lights, perhaps with that new footage which will make it into another science fictional perspective for many.

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2016/02/03/air-force-aviator-leaks-dramatic-phoenix-lights-cockpit-footage/

Fireballs/Booms – CERES (green) Lights=hour of judegment begins

February 2, 2016

Sawyers comment to post below regarding the bunch of fireballs reported this january 2016 in Arizona, maine to kentucky to michigan, Finland, over the medeterrainian and the New Jersey booms and more, that I see at this time as the “loud voice” of:

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

This doesn’t seem to refer to the time when Ti and Do and Crew went public with their information because though that’s the criteria for judgements of whether souls are saved with them or recycled, the period of Judgement hadn’t yet begun while they were here. It was a different “hour” – 40 year period. The hour of their work seems to have started in 1/1/1973 and ended on 1/1/2013 as evidenced below that then also began the judgement hour of 40 years (though that doesn’t mean we have 40 years before recycling is fully underway as shown during the 6th seals opening, as we approach the 4th seals opening now. I don’t know how fast things could happen. It may depend on our responses, something Ti and Do often said and prophecy said the “days would be shortened” for the elect so I think that means those who elect to give their all to Ti and Do will exit their vehicles before that time their vehicle might otherwise see it’s last days in the human kingdom.

So if it doesn’t refer to the Ti and Do and Crew delivery of their 7 thunders and the front of the Rev 5:1 “book” that was written from within the Throne (Ti and Do) and yet says it’s the time to “preach” the “everlasting gospel”, it sounds to me like the time of the delivery of prophecy slated for after the 6th trumpet sounds during the time of the seventh trumpets sounding that I suspect started with the 2008 National geographics final report Heavens Gate where it was suggested Heaven’s Gate could have been the “second coming” and extended sounding to the Ceres Lights revealing and the Pluto like an earth revealing (as Ti and Do talked about it being).

I believe this is preaching of the everlasting gospel is also shown in Rev 10 as the “little book” that “John” is assigned to “speak about” (prophecy), where “john” is whoever the Next Level gives the task to, which is by far not limited to any one person but anyone who wants to serve to deliver that little books content to others:

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.

Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

That content of this Little Book/Backside (history of prophecy and coming AFTER the Main body of the Book) is the detailed compiling of all the evidence of how all of Jesus prophecy and teachings and the entire book of Revelations are all fulfilled by Ti and Do and Crew’s incarnate time to date and to come.

So as said it seems this was laid out in:

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Said as the “backside” of the Book, and time period after their exit of their incarnate two “waves” (raptures in 1975 and 1994).

There are many evidences in prophecy to another “wave” of “sounding” and “voices” (disclosures) after the Two have exited but here is one I just found:

Jwnody reported in her document, “Overview of Present Mission” that the posting to the usenet groups of Do’s document: “Undercover ‘Jesus’ Surfaces Before Departure,” posted on September 25-26, 1995 was “premature” to post, though I’m sure nonetheless was Do’s instruction to do as the 6th Thunder (roar) as described in Rev 10’s Seven Thunders that all sound as a part of the 6th Angels trumpet sounding that ended soon after they exited their incarnations. Mature simply means that full maturity of what that position was saying will be forthcoming, though the document Do wrote is the entire basis for it. Do, as Ti simply didn’t spend much time on prophecy or much about the time after their exit.

With that said, here is a comment I left for the blogger who posted a report of many of the fireballs and other events. I follow this woman’s blog as she brings interesting things I might otherwise miss, though some of it seems off track but I provide a link to her blog entry at the end that has a bunch of links in it to these report. (Again, please forgive my bad grammer, and all else that’s wrong with this comment. I don’t have the time to polish these.  I just blurt them out at times as there is so much that I just hope someone who has a deposit of Ti and Do’s mind can become stimulated by seeing, which I do all day long when I’m not trying to finish this little book (that I believe is just a couple months from the shelves).

Sawyer commented:

Excellent reporting – Here’s my take so far.

re: the indian shootdown of a ufo – and metal balls of different reports falling from sky – I’m fairly sure that would not be Evolutionary Level Above Human in any respect. First off they would not let humans or space aliens even come close to shooting at them. They can’t even see them with any of their technology. The Space aliens are all human equivilents. Members of the Next Level are Above Human – they have no mammalian characteristics anymore but designed humans to appear like them as humanoid shapes, though that’s only one type of physical vehicle they grow for their members who have graduated from a human kingdom equivilent elsewhere in their universe.

re: the fireballs – you will note that this just started as of the start of our year which as 2016 is the year of the harvest judgement beginning in earnest with the green horse of Rev 6:8 being elected by the great Babylonian Empire (Beast) the U.S. and includes the lessor second Beast the E.U.

Remember the forerunner to these events was The Ceres “cityscape” of lights that were not space aliens nor salt – that’s balony. It’s a Next Level base they wanted to be seen at that time exactly as then it would be reported in time for it’s prophecy fulfillment in Rev 6:8 because “green” is from greek “chloros” that is related to our english word “chlorine”  that makes white/pure out of bacteria, which by the way was wrongly translated to pale by the anti-jesus christians led unknowingly by the Luciferian fallen angels now space aliens, the vehicles that they spawned as told in Genesis 6 and the Book of Enoch. So Chloros is from the same greek word “chloe” which is described as related to Demeter the goddess of the harvest and fertility whose roman counterpart is Ceres and we are really an extention of Rome in the U.S., who largely became christians starting with Constantine that helped make it popular after Paul of Tarsus either knowingly infiltrated the Jesus followers or was influenced by tricks from the Luciferian space aliens masquerading to him as Jesus. In either case, he totally diluted and brought distortion into the records that the now populist governmentalists began to cling to, so because a mechanism to control the people and have them think they get this big reward when they die, called heaven by just saying they believe in Jesus but don’t believe or do anything he said and in fact do the opposites of what he taught so that their jesus is their anti-christ – they are their own dreaded anti-christ.

One comment I saw about the fireball from Virginia said it looked “greenish”.

Now the “green horse” follows Do (of Ti and Do) on the white horse where horse desribes the human vehicle he prepared to be his vehicle to perform his task on/through as he demonstrated the metamorphosic changeover needed to gradute the human evolutionary kingdom to become a member of their Above Human family. The next horse was Red but this horse was prepared by the Lucuferian space aliens because of their agendas to try to get off the planet as they have rumors among them that the earth is going to be changing again and if they don’t escape it entirely they’ll end up having to try to survice underground for at least 1000 years. They are aware of the prophecy in that regard. So they got the humans to bring about the reasons to have endless war for the great amount of money they could funnel to black budget programs so they didn’t have to get congressional approval for much. So they got the humans to move NASA into the DOD. Anyway there is a lot to this all in my very lenghty book about to be pubished this year even soon.

Obama is/was the black horse as the prophecy goes having to do with balancing the two beasts – US and EU to create the mechanisms of the new world order – hence the WHO just showed how they can declare zika virus a global emergency which who knows what that will become. it could be fabricated entirely as an excuse for whatever purpose or it could be a way of hiding all the bad choices they  have made re: their vaccine programs that stimulate many birth defects along with gmo’s and chemicalizationj of our bodies, etc. while funneling money again for whatever usage said for an emergency vaccine as money is not only needed for the space programs that are also looking for the element bob lazar documented that provides power for the space alien spacerafts, which they are also hard at work trying to manufacture at CERN, etc. And they need money for the underground bases they continue to construct so when they see they have to, all those on their lists who have bought their “shelter” can escape what’s going to  happen on the surface.

(it’s possible that’s what the “booms” are under New Jersey but then they reported they were not seismic so that doesn’t make sense as underround explosions from fracing and/or tunneling and undgerground base making do produce seismic waves, so they could be lying about that, but why would they as they could always say it was a mini earthquake whoses pressure cause the sounds waves and all who are involved with agencies are not in the know about all this so to respond in a cover up way can be tricky, though possible of course)

But to me with all things considered, though I could be wrong about, the booms are the “thunder” in prophecy that comes at the start of the Judgement HOUR which is a 40 year period that I believe started around 2013 that I have a number or reasons for saying so.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

This crew from the Next Evolutionary Level, under Ti and Do’s instructions, being the return of the one called the Father and the one who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus, are flying in the middle heaven. There were three heavens according to Jewish talmud which corresponds with things Ti and Do said and that work with this prophecy as well. The Lucifer and associates only got to the middle heaven which is why they still could revert back to human mammalian behavior as they did to propogate with humans as they and their descendents continue to do now (except they don’t have their original physical bodies) but they are in “spirit” manipulating the offspring from when they were able to create hybrids with humans and their seed which is what they continue to do with humans now in abductions. They also want humans who did receive souls from the Next Level to become their servants, co-workers – “brothers/sisters” because they have no other way to get new members because all those who are space aliens were humans who were given souls because they were alive at a time when the Next Level was planting souls which they do whenever they are preparing for one of their Older Members and student crew’s incarnation into those vehicle they prepare.

Anyway, off track again as there is so much to tie together and it’s one puzzle that makes all else pale in comparison – in my opinion that is.

The reason I picked 2013, though the same kind of show occurred in 2014 and 2015 with each year starting with lots of fireballs mostly in the west third of the US and the eastern seaboard from the great lakes region to florida even.

if you recall back then it started with the cherblynsk meteor that really caused a bunch of damage but no fatalities in sibera. (Russia is the Magog area mostly and has a role to play later in prophecy I suspect after the 1000 years after the US and EU are completly fallen and annialiated in the “lake of fire”. That may happen fairly soon like I would guess at most by 20 years from now but I could be wrong about that.

Then after that meteor with booms galore there were many fireball sightings in california and montana and utah and then a huge amount of sightings from the ohio valley to northern florida with reports from maine and vermont as well. Those were in february and march. Then in march of 2013 there was a near miss asteroid and two comets that came out of nowhere. One of those coments named Panstarrs showed an object traveling immedieatly ahead of it yet still very much in the comet’s coma so it couldn’t be debris as deprise would not project ahead of the comet as this black object did.

I suspect that was to show us the same kind of thing that was photographed by the japanese to be  with hale bopp comet that the U.S. airbrushed out of their hawaii photos and covered up when it was surfaced on art bell’s show at the time fearing more people would commit suicide becuse of the Heaven’s gate groups “laying down of their human bodies” not because of the companion object but in the timing of the comet in combonation wtih their 22+ years preparation that started essentially on 1/1/1973 – 40 years before this 2013 anniversary which is when Ti and Do first got a chunk of awakening. The Next Level doesn’t have “time”. But they do have schdules but they are in “events” they schedule using the planetary bodies they design to function they way they do as the earth is their hothouse to grow souls on using human vehicles as their “footstool” to “deposit” their type of “seed” into, called a soul to grow it to become a Next Level member if it chooses to follow the program which is actually like a God Astronaut training program in a new society of beings that thrive on being apart of these projects forever while humans and earth’s come and go along with the human spirits that they don’t salvage from an earth that’s in need of recycling which is about to happen in the next couple decades to degrees but will not annialate all the humans and the earth will repair itself from all the damage humans have done to it.

I could list the comets and near miss asteroids  that came out of nowhere last year and the year before that but I’ve already dumped more than most can stand so I’ll restrain myself. I don’t know if the Next Level will repeat this coming march (their exit anniveary with a near miss asteroid and comet or not) as all they do can be under the heading of that “angel flying in the midheaven – midst of heaven”.

I guess my vote is that they were not ordinary so called meteors and that’s why they are being called fireballs a relatively new term becaus they don’t behave like meteors really.

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2016/02/01/more-spacecraft-shoot-downs-fireballs-january-2016-videos

Overview of Revelations “BEASTS” and “Image”

January 26, 2016

Below is a comment I left on a youtube video I came across that I believe is worth watching. The Link to the video follows my comment but the comment may be helpful to some of you. Please forgive my lack of proof reading and editing and the holes I probably left, but I don’t have time to try to polish every comment I make. Also I know I come across as thinking I know these things, yet I can’t actually prove how they are all related to what Ti and Do taught except indirectly as they didn’t teach prophecy interpretation except in the case of their saying they were the Rev 11 Two Witnesses and Rev 12 Woman Do said was Ti.

Sawyer’s comment as 3SPM on Youtube:

I agree with you first seemed to say as the first beast being America, or more specifically the Rev 17 and 18 woman Columbia/liberty as shown in NYC and Washington District of Columbia and I agree that the Holy See, especially through Pope Francis is one facet of all who are antichrist in that they don’t actually teach the Christing “overcoming of humanness” process Jesus taught and illustrated and required of his disciples that goes beyond the start of being on his team by “belief” and “trust” and abiding by all his taught behaviors and ways.

As we know Peter said that the “antichrist is already among us” and no where is that more apparent than through much of what Paul of Tarsus wrote, as he perhaps unknowingly distorted and diluted Jesus pure teaching, distorting what was meant by “grace” – in how Jesus’ Father forgives us our trespasses that can start the “washing” process with a new slate but insures nothing unless each of us seeks His will each day from there because there is much more to  the “overcoming of the human world” as run by the Luciferians, than, saying we believe.

Anyway, getting off topic of this comment, in my study and observations and experience seeking the Lords holy Mind/spirit I have a number of reasons to believe that the 2nd beast is the EU and how they are obviously tied together  (with the first beast) in the New World Order to include the United Nations and the One world religion (belief) which is a big part of the IMAGE that is clearly given to speaking through the pope more than any other but is also shown as speaking through the Dahlia Llama which are both “like lambs” (peace seeking, gentle, kind hearted) but “speaking as dragon” of Rev 13:11 because remember the Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the heavens doesn’t actually want humans to unite because then they will more and more ignore the only true Creators of everything and all the life forms and even the allowance of the Luciferians to prosper – to provide a clear choice to those the Lord elects to see the truth.

So the “image” is ALL that is related to making SELF into God as most seen in the New Age, “Ye are God’s” mindset that has grown and permeates the world but was brought to a head in the U.S. and E.U. since the 1960’s to date. So this would include anything that equates us as “gods”. Like many New Agers say, “All of us are gods because all of us are parts of the whole of God’s creation”. They uses a few scriptures to portray this, saying “we were created in the image of God” where image is “likeness, appearance, spirit of” all true but that doesn’t make us equivalent to God. Then they quote Jesus saying “The Kingdom of God is within you” which is true if we have the Mind from the Kingdom of God in us, but is not true if we then think we have “arrived” at a place of godhead just because we may have that seed in us – the seed being the deposited soul container the Kingdom of God plants into all the humans they choose to make their Mind/Spirit available to see as it provides the interface they can sprout that soul from. However, as Jesus illustrated in the parable of the sower, many are called but few choose to hit the deck running by asking our Heavenly Father every day how to grow faster and to have the strength to implement that further growth towards meeting the qualifications for heavens gate passage.

I studied every usage of Image I could find in scripture and in all the Revelations examples it’s usage was worded as speaking about the Beast and worshipping HIS image. HIS was actually in the manuscripts, yet is a pronoun and in this translation shows gender but the BEAST is the New World Order organization so isn’t gender related nor a singular person. The Greek “auto” translates to his, her, and a number of other pronouns but in this context I would choose “their” and being a pronoun really reflects “self” so this is saying that those who “WORSHIP THEMSELVES” are actually the closest interpretation of the IMAGE. To worship means to “work for”. If we work for ourselves in any capacity at this time we are separating ourselves from the Kingdom of God. We must choose to “work for the Kingdom of God” and let them take care of our daily needs instead of “working for the BEASTs” – showing our allegiance to their “wealth and treasure” and their IDOLs that we are actually by working for “fornicating with” because we are not giving ourselves to the Lord. Those that want to be wed to Jesus need to shift our devotion and love to HIM If we want to be a member of his family in his kingdom. That doesn’t have anything to do with joining a religion or becoming a priest or going to seminary or becoming a monk or recluse. – Those are fine pathways but no better or worse than any other because essentially what we must do is ask him to help us come closer to him and how we can serve his needs and put our self aside, as jesus said to be a disciple one needs to “deny self”.

I agree where Rev 13:1 says the “…saw a beast rise up out of the sea” is more than just an interpretation of “sea” as people, but specific people, the people who were originally considered by the Lord as the “salt of the earth” the 12 tribes of Israel” that lost their savour (saltness) – (thirst for Jehovah’s Mind/Spirit – following of His commandments) that when scattered (as the Lord often did so they wouldn’t stagnate in getting comfortable in any one place on earth) – like Jesus illustrated about himself as “having no place to lay his head”, through the Luciferians became incorporated (in more than one way) into human governments, namely the Holy Roman Empire following Constantine and to date the Holy Roman Catholic Church that are with all religious teachers now “false prophets” (speakers inspired by God, because they are not actually representing what was taught by the latest representatives.

Where it’s tricky is where the terminology follows in the designation the Catholics have taken as being the Holy See which is another Luciferian tactic to sow seeds of confusion in ambiguity but also then accurate to that “Image” of holiness and piety and knowledge – eyesight.

As with all the Kingdom of God teaches through Their servants as seen in the bible records, there is always a literal vantage point to be seen that even plays itself out in degrees throughout history, thus many Christian writers/bloggers, commentators would assign these Revelations prophecies to the time of the first century AD and ignore all the more accurate signs of how they are coming to pass as we speak, except they often assign more symbolism to the Revelations symbolism that further distorts the true revealing of those mysteries. That first “beast” comes out of the sea. So how can that be literal.

Well we can see the “seven heads” as the seven continents of people and the 10 horns as the G10 financial powers (bankers, IMF, etc.) (that admitted Switzerland but kept the name to G10 – as Lucifer and his associates like to show fulfillments of prophecy as well as then it can trick even the elect into unknowingly siding with his camp) with the 10 crowns those heads of state and the seat is the US – NYC-DC where the wound was the 9-11 attacks that have since been healed. GW Bush was the Ruddy/Red horse and Obama the Black/Blue horse of Rev 6.

The Green Horse is about to come – it’s the “harvest horse”  and the Kingdom of God showed us some more of their reality by the cityscape of lights on dwarf planet Ceres that the BEASTS people and those enamoured as the IMAGE of God are making out to be “space aliens” and for some of the New Agers that believe in the space aliens, the so called “bad aliens” when the fact is that ALL the space aliens are “bad aliens” the descendent human equivalent physical vehicles (bodies) the Luciferian fallen angels use (along with using humans) that are all grounded to the earth so are no longer able to circulate in more distant space, though they are trying to get humans to do so with the hope they can escape earth before the Lord recycles and casts them back into their underground/undersea prison cells for the 1000 years before they are all cast into the Lake of Fire where the BEASTS and false prophets end up before then.

There is a great deal more to say about all this that I can bring a great deal of evidence to that will be very hard for some to consider and believe but all I can say is, if you all Love Jesus and his Father and have not ruled out  certain viewpoints because they seem too far-fetched or outside some common definitions of terms that Christians tend to bash, then you may find yourself filled with further recognition of what’s true and real, though will continue to be challenging as that is what each of us must endure to come through our own “birth canal” of spirit birth into membership in the Kingdom of God.

The Kingdom of God is actually a physical evolutionary (non-darwinian) kingdom level that is above human similar to how human is above animal and animal above plant and plant above mineral. The human Kingdom is not the last step in that DIRECTED EVOLUTIONARY DEVELOPMENT of SPIRIT/MIND – THE CONTENT OF THE SOUL. Members of the Kingdom of God are physical. Spirits in the human kingdom are not physical.  A soul is a physical container as a seed that can be grown into a member of the Kingdom of God that select humans are literally given every time an Older Member comes incarnate.

I can prove with ALL prophecy that Ti and Do were the incarnate Two Witnesses and were the Father and Jesus return in new bodies having new names. They exited their incarnations by 1997 seen by the world as the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth”.

Ti, The Father took a female human vehicle to get her “son” Do in a male vehicle started and then left as shown in Rev 12 that I can bring verse by verse literal interpretation to along with Rev 11 to prove all of this but the only way anyone can see it is if the Father and the One who was incarnate as Jesus draw us to them ,though we must be willing to let them draw us to Them to grow in Their spirit Holy(pure) Mind. We are currently in the LAST stage of harvest. The FIRST stage has passed but we didn’t miss it unless we ignore the truth. So implore you all who love Jesus to scream to our Heavenly Father in the most distant heavens to know whether what little ole me here is saying is true about Ti and Do and then expect to be shown the truth and also scream for the help to have the strength to accept that truth. This video shows how “true believers” will be targeted by the Luciferian driven Beasts and their enslaved humans. It will result in the loss of our human lives for some, but they can not kill our soul unless we let them by turning away from the One True Kingdom of God through their servants who were most recently incarnate in the names of Ti and Do – The notes in the Song.

So when I said we each need to seek to love only jesus, give ourselves to Jesus to become his bride, it wasn’t to his vehicle – it was to the Kingdom of God/Heaven Mind/Spirit that we need to bond to. For those with him physically they were to bond to him and his vehicle was his instrument but he said he would not return in the name of Jesus yet he would have a new name as would his Father who comes with him as they did using the names Ti and Do. Thus to show our love for HIM means showing our love to Do. To try to bypass Do and say we love Jesus is to deny the Father has sent him again to us. It’s not trusting and abiding by what he said would happen in these end times.

There is a sure way of proving what I am saying. Project your asking to your “Father” in the literal Heavens into deep outer space, beyond the furthest stars you can imagine as ask if what I am saying about Ti and Do is true and to help you see it. Jesus taught us to pray to the Father. It was only his disciples he said could talk to him because they knew him literally which is a very important distinction as look at how far Paul was off track because he thought or manufactured Jesus as speaking to him in his head or in some voice from a light, not at all the way the Kingdom of God ever communicates with anyone unless their incarnate representative is standing there at the moment as with Moses and at least twice with jesus.

Here is the video link:

Atlanta Green Asteroid=Sign of NASA disinformation re: CERES LIGHTS

December 19, 2015

Last week, NASA announced publicly that what they called the “bright spots” on Ceres in the Ocular Crater were some type of magnesium salts. Now people are lining up behind that announcement as a fact, as usual, because that’s what they want to believe. I even saw long-term ufologist and author, Linda Moulton Howe support NASA’s announcement. She rose to UFO fame by documenting in books the many cow mutilations in Colorado, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Montana, etc. that had been reported/investigated starting in the early to mid 1970’s that the FBI even sought to question Ti and Do about when they gave a public meeting in Colorado in 1975, thinking the then called UFO Cult could have been responsible which couldn’t have been further from the truth. She is a regular guest on Coast to Coast radio.

As a side note, around late 1987 when Do started considering going public for the second time after nearly 17 years of silence, he had us form a little video company with a steering committee that consisted of Lggody, Jwnody, Chkody, Dncody, Alxody, Srrody and Swyody. Lggody and Jwnody researched and bought two video cameras and went to several UFO conferences, one being a well-known annual one in Arkansas, perhaps Littlerock, while we lived up Boulder Canyon in Colorado. At the conference they interviewed and filmed several like Linda Moulten Howe and a Brit with the last name of English and also contacted Whitley Streiber and others. We didn’t end up doing anything with that footage but it led to Do’s attempting to figure out what Ti would have him do as was the Next Level way to ask and then try things that occurred to us or we were led to, like by observing media reports and such, after asking. Soon after that Do wrote “’88 update – The UFO Two and Their Crew” which we mailed out to a number of organizations and people.

To me this is clearly a spin as was always expected as NASA was careful not to show many of the pictures they took on this latest article and neglected to talk about the tests they did on the “lights” to determine whether they were a light source or an element reflection and at least one of the two “bright spots” was determined to be a light source. Also NASA avoided the truth about how the Dawn spacecraft first was scheduled to go to CERES – as the Hubble had taken photos of what looked like one very bright light on Ceres in 2003 and 2004 from several angles. If they were salts, how would a mere reflection of light be visible to that large degree to be seen from Hubble at 347-400 miles from Earth and thus 256+ million miles from Ceres without having a significant power source behind it to project it that far with that degree of brightness. Of course on this score, what humans don’t know they can use to their advantage if it’s in their interest to do so. They can always say it’s an element and natural emanation because of the equivalent of volcanic activity or some equivalent – something they can leave unresolved. Leaving it unresolved is fine of course as that’s the most reasonable thing to do, so why did they have to leave that position and say it’s salts unless they want to use that idea in some way. NASA is not a casual organization and became part of the department of defense during this current 21st century so unless something is genuinely leaked, which can also be directed or stimulated or allowed on purpose, it has a reason to come to the public eye or not and how it comes public.

So I suspect the Next Level stimulated this “green fireball/asteroid” near the NASA hq’s in Atlanta to enlighten what they did so that people like me who know the Next Level’s reality and follow all this space and space alien activity can point out the discrepancies in the story/observations for the sake of any who are interested in the truth to consider.

I have to admit when NASA came out with this report of the “bright spots” as salts this last time, as some suggested it in July amid the many pictures that were analyzed, though I was fairly certain due to prophecy I was analyzing at the time, regarding the “green horse” of Revelations 6 that is about to come to the fore with the next presidential election – as a part of the 7th Trump of revelations, to where what comes with this 4th horse (human vehicle) is “death” that is shown in all ways and we see being stimulated in the increases of disturbances of all kinds because of the way “truth” and Next Level reality as it comes to the fore also stimulates humans to act in all passionate (fires) ways that includes unbridled violence against themselves and others, I wondered whether the bright spots were put there or revealed by the Next Level to be seen by Hubble and could actually be some type of element’s projection of light, even the elements several countries are now looking for and trying to manufacture in places like CERN to use to power the anti-gravity spacecrafts they received from space aliens and their own models.

And even though that may be the case that these are some type of element, call it a salt, I think the Next Level Older Members and Crew (Ti and Do, and student body) do what they do in such a way to allow humans to have any interpretation they want as that then becomes an avenue for those who are the biggest seekers to have a sense of the ultimate truths which they can only really have if the Next Level gave them, perhaps as a baby a deposit of their Mind to be able to see the truth when it’s provided even though even to those it will remain a puzzle to consider.

It’s not about having absolute answers when it comes to things like this. Even if we did have what we might think is an absolute answer, if our mind was not geared to look for the creators (Next Level) in it, then it would soon diminish as an absolute answer and would fade into imagination and of no value to the Next Level as what they are doing is nurturing those they chose to help choose what they wanted that these events in space, among the sun, moon, planets, stars, etc. become “sign posts” of.

So when this asteroid was shot across the bow of Atlanta, presumably NASA and looked GREEN to people who saw it, to go with the Green (harvest) horse and all the other GREEN aspects to our times as related to Revelations 6:8 that by the way was translated inaccurately as “pale” in that verse, it seemed to me to be a sign that relate all this to whoever is interested to consider it.

By the way, there have been many lights seen all over Ceres all the more reason to believe the entire planet may very well be a Next Level base meant to be seen when the technology on Earth was able to see it (Hubble) and go to it to examine closer while still remaining a puzzle that provides the full range of choices for all of us to consider.

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/12/18/meteor-fireball-terrorizes-georgia-res

Having read this article as I always do I review the comments and found this one below that I commented to.

Commenter on article:

is that not true a big asteroid has destroyed the life of dinosaurs on the earth? some big craters are clearly visible on the different parts of the earth. its is also observed that Mars had a very advanced life but they were suddenly removed due to a big disaster, what was that? last week curiosity sent a picture showing that a big asteroid of the size of a huge mountain was collided with the surface of Mars which has been destroyed the life on the Mars planet..
it is time to turn our faces towards Almighty Allah and it is time to read Holy Book of Quran to recognized the truth. In Quran we can find many generations which were destroyed on the earth and the reasons of their destruction and crimes.

Sawyers reply to comment:

The Luciferian space aliens are the fallen angels Enoch, Moses, Isaiah and Jesus, Gautama Buddha, Mohammad (I don’t know the Quran or the Bhagavad Gita that well so can’t site specific things these said about fallen angels or “jin”), spoke about and who (Luciferians) always twisted the truth, what is real into religions when the reality is that the Creators no matter what terms we use to talk about them, Allah, Elohim, Theos, God were referring to a “many membered (physically represented angels, archangels) kingdom Above Human, actually evolutionarily above, just like plant is above mineral and animal above plant and human above animal, there is yet another strata of genuine life who created it all but who also use physical bodies they grow (made not begotten) in their environments on spacecrafts that make UFO reports of metallic crafts look primitive, whose spacecrafts can even be “living beings” as evidenced by Ezekiel’s writings and related to the Book of Revelations as well. Humans and Earth is The Kingdom of God(s) from the literal heavens (sky-outer space) experiment to grow souls to become new members of their society/community – genuine Family.
The fact that this asteroid was reported as making a huge  green flash over Atlanta at this time is a sign to me and especially since NASA just distorted the truth about the “lights” on Ceres where Ceres (Roman) like Demeter (Greek) refers to the goddess of the harvest that is coming into full fruition with the next U.S. presidential election that coincides with the “green horse” of Rev 6:8 following the black/blue (democratic) horse that is being fulfilled by Barak Obama with the endless financial crisis and the red/ruddy (republican) horse fulfilled by G.W. Bush with endless global war on terror (they (US and allies) stimulated in Iraq, Afghanistan and many places in the middle east – especially since the start of the 20th century), though everyone has responsibility for propagating since the start of the current civilization.
I have a huge amount to say about this because it’s clear to me that those called the Father and Jesus already returned in the new physical human bodies who took the names Ti and Do, a Woman (Rev 12) and male, her “son” she births to the throne, this being the One who last served in the physical vehicle named Jesus.
I mean no disrespect for the Quran and Mohammad, but the full truth is that Jesus was the last one (before Ti and Do) to provide the most truth about the reality of what Ti and Do referred to in plainer terms (as Jesus said he would upon his return) “The Evolutionary Level Above Human”.
Ti and Do have since left their incarnations (in carnal=in the flesh as/like the “son of man” (offspring human, man faced, blood in face) as they came to take their first fruits through their “spirit birth” – actually graduation from the human evolutionary kingdom but they are still working closely with all who can SEE/HEAR them through their 25 years of what they said and did.
I can prove what I say by ALL the prophecy and would like to expand that to all the prophecy in the Quran if someone could help me with it since I don’t  have it’s contents on my mind like I do the Torah and New Testament prophecies.
It’s interesting that you use a white horse in your icon. Do (doe, from the notes of the song the sound of music – the Rev 14 “song”) came sitting on a “white horse” which had a “white head and hair” physical human vehicle – the people that largely came from Magog, the third who migrated from the Kingdom of Juda and spread out their genes throughout the world, but mostly to Europe and then to the U.S. for the location of the Kingdom of God’s return as Jesus indicated would not be to the middle east again because they always killed those sent to that location. He took this white vehicle to overcome/conquer it – perhaps the “race” that had become the most Luciferian in behavior and ways, though all humans are under the programming from the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens, though are all given equal chances to rise out of as one must overcome all racial consciousness and ethnic consciousness and religious identity and human mammalian behaviors and ways to graduate into the Level Above Human via the direction from the Older Members who come incarnate from that Kingdom and who always talk about what’s required to graduate that is always twisted into a country club like religion but that acts as a filter of those who are ready to “purify” (make white as in holy/light) – not racial coloration to become students towards their graduation, which today will be by going through the “winepress”.
There is so much to say but they exited (Ti and Do and their 38+4 first fruit true “saints” their incarnations in march of 1997 seen by the world over as the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” – the ONLY total truth group. They layed down their lives completely voluntarily as I can prove as I was with them for 19 years but failed to graduate my class but was given another chance via their coming to me in dreams to help me. Anyway I am nobody except in how I can be a servant of Ti and Do until I leave. You can find Ti and Do’s information all over the internet – youtube.
Overcoming is actually a metamorphosis like the caterpillar to a butterfly. It does require at least beginning to separate from the human caterpillar world. The task today is to learn all about Ti and Do and believe everything they said and taught and believe that they are the latest representatives from the creators’ kingdom who created everything and all life forms and then to “take a stand in defense of that belief and sustain that stand until our exit of our physical vehicle no matter how that occurs, accepting the consequences of doing so”.
There is no group to join, no person on earth to follow, nothing to buy, no government to support. The most proof of what I say will only be provided to those who ask our Father in the literal heaven’s in deep outer space where no humans or space aliens are permitted for the truth and then watch for the hints of proof that will be given and choose their recognition from the One True Kingdom of God, Level Above Human. Peace be unto you, the peace of our Heavenly Fathers, the peace of Ti and Do.

What Ti and Do (“Jesus”) might say about Trump wanting to keep Muslims out of America

December 12, 2015

Here is my response to a post that asks the question of whether Republican presidential candidate Donald J. Trump was right about a law banning Muslims from America. I tried to give what I hope might be what Ti and Do might say. The link to the article is below for those that want to see what others say. I left a comment but I didn’t actually read the article. I just went by the title to respond:

From what Ti and Do taught; I believe the Luciferian space alien perspective of maintaining law and order that Lucifer and his fellow “fallen angels” seek to maintain on earth, it’s “just” (right). But from the perspective of the Evolutionary Level Above Human who created the earth and all it’s life forms, as their “hothouse”, to grow minds/souls upon towards new membership in their society of Beings, it’s not right (just) because it imposes limitations to how the souls and human evolutionary level minds/spirits in their “garden” can migrate away from their human root systems and war torn environments to seek a better life. (As Jesus said about the “son of man” (offspring man-faced (human)):

Mat 8:19 And a certain scribe came, and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.
Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

A Member of the Next Level who is incarnate in a human vehicle would not be comfortable staying put and outgrow relating to their human root system – family as they know they are related to a different family of Above Human Beings like themselves as their Family, not the relations to the vehicle they borrow for their task. Thus the Next Level working with Souls and the human vehicles the souls are planted within foster events that break up human families and disrupt normalcy to stimulate further growth towards some becoming graduates out of the human evolutionary kingdom.

In other words, the object in the garden is to raise minds/spirits through human flesh by subjecting them to adversity that stimulates their quest for something better that if they continue to thirst for, as Jesus taught, which, that adversity is the salt in the garden, will draw more of what is real to them which must be continued throughout that mind/spirits experience in the human kingdom over many lifetimes (each leaf on the genetic tree is one of those lifetimes – the leaf dies each season but the tree retains all the leaf experienced in it’s genetic database it produces new leaves from to continue the growth pattern of that branch).  All the space aliens are like “fallen trees” – from whatever planet or earth civilization past, souls (planting into the human or equivilent tree) who sprouted and were given a partially evolved Next Level vehicle before they chose to go against the Older Member’s instructions and began to cohabitate and/or use humans for their hybridization of human experiments to foster their own “kingdom” on earth. They had many chances to change/recover from that fall but did not, so the Next Level decided to use what they wanted to do, to put other souls in their equivilent schooling stage towards adult membership in the Next Level to the test, to gain strength of Next Level (holy) Mind/Spirit by dealing with and conquering, prevailing against, sort of like the Star Trek Holodeck as a training program that if they succeeded could be awarding a Next Level Adult vehicle (body) grown on a vine (no longer from mammalian reproduction) that they would have outgrown desire for.

That’s what was meant by an Israeli, (he who “prevails as Jehovah”) a human seeded by the Next Level (receives a soul deposit, a container like a seed with programs in it to provide interface and the sense of Beings who are Above  the Human Kingdom in every way) that by receiving continued nourishment from incarnate Older Members – adhering to each lesson plan, that are like trimesters toward their spirit/mind birth – the Moses classroom and possibly Gautama Buddha’s classroom (because of how it taught renunciation of the (human) world’s norms) and then Jesus classroom (that taught how discipleship involved severing of genetic roots in behavior and ways) and to date Ti and Do’s third trimester classroom, that those souls already graduated from but that we are still potentially engaged in, to degrees or not, yields growth of each soul to be ready for the next re-incarnation (re- taking over of a human vehicle – aka to “stand up again” (re-generate) of that Older Member (that is not scheduled before the civilization undergoes a spading under that includes a dissolving of the “sprirt world” and a re-jailing of the Luciferians, which is what humans now are preparing for without much knowledge of who is coming to perform the recycling procedures. The space aliens try to win souls to their camp by pitting souls against the Next Level by referring to them as the Reptilians and/or Orion’s (greys) who have no ability to alter the earth’s usefulness to the Next Level until the Next Level allows it to happen for the sake of the difficult lesson plan they help their “seed” through because overcoming the Luciferian influence on humans would be impossible without that help.

So the Luciferians, who are the space races who themselves are in competition with one another over the spoils of the planet, those souls who have decided not to be in a Next Level program, because they can’t create a soul pocket/container/seed but have no other way to add to their ranks – as souls can be taught to move in and out of vehicles and to see as they see, though to be in their camp means they have disconnected from the Next Level camp. These space races pit humans against humans because of how it drives the increase in technologies they need to try to get off the planet to find another life habitat and/or certain elements they have in very limited supply to date that powers their spacecrafts (that are primitive crafts to the Next Level, though have things they can do that human’s are still trying to duplicate, and may to some degree accomplish before recycling is underway that will set them back in further development) and/or build safe harbor from recycling they know is pending underground and/or under the seas or on a near space base as they can’t travel very far away from earth anymore for lack of a life sustaining/promoting atmosphere.

Thus the warring is used by the Next Level because those who seek to escape it are those who put the value of their lives above fighting for their root system – security, homelike, status quo humanness, genetic family, lands, livelihood which is to the Next Level a good step for them to take as they can then become the spirits and genetic strains that the Next Level uses to re-populate the civilization from, like Jesus referred to the “meek who shall inherit the earth”. The graduates leave the earth and after the waste reduction of the humans who became the fodder of the space alien race wars – even assisting the Next Level’s spading (pulling up of the Tares the look alike wheat planted by the Luciferian space aliens in the garden – their seed). By leave the earth it’s referring to being “saved”, Do called being “put on ice” (not literally) but kept safe from the recycling and garbage (weed) disposal. (by the way we in human vehicles don’t have the ability to know who is a weed or not so it’s no appropriate for us to judge who should die – that became distorted in the records, though the Next Level can save any spirit or soul who has lost their vehicle like by accident or as a victim of war and crime. The vehicle is designed to be disposable. Only the Next Level can destroy a soul though a Luciferian space alien can turn a soul away from the Next Level but the Next Level doesn’t let that happen easily without giving each soul many, many opportunities to come back to their allegiance. The Next Level does not need new members. It’s their joy to provide what they know they have – real genuine physical and mental life in a perpetual growth and service society that show their love for one another by their common Next Level Mind (holy spirit) connection to their Older Members, the Ones who parented them into their membership in the Next Level.

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2015/12/11/is-trump-right-about-a-law-banning-muslims-from-america-video/

Gov’t Conspiracy or Alien/Discarnate reason for Swats near Terrorist Attacks

December 12, 2015

A blogger I follow reported on a list of so-called coincidences between many of the Terrorist attacks and mass killing gun violence as in Paris, France and in America at San Bernardino and in NYC with 9/11 and the London train bombing on 7/2007 with the presence of Swat teams nearby on the same day. There were swat team trainings going on at the very  moment of the San Bernardino, 9/11 and London subway bombings that make them look like the attacks were planned by the governments involved. (which I don’t tend to believe) but feel there is more to it to consider. I do believe the govt has all kinds of deceitful dealings but I doubt this is one of them. I suspect the big claims that many of these are “false flags” is a way to sow more seeds of confusion with what is or isn’t really happening. The link to the article follows at the end of this post but here is my input:

I can think of two related explanations for these so called coincidences based on what Ti and Do taught:

1) Ti and Do taught that humans/spirits before they die, (in this context though applies for all human activity) if they were hateful or vengeful or jealous and angry and/or self righteous and believe themselves justified to any behavior to include even killing other humans for all their reasons, when they die – drop the vehicle, they continue to “be who they were” even if who they were was in mind alone. In other words, if while living the extent of their demonstration of these hateful vibrations was kept inside their head they still died with that programming and thus would vibrate that way to influence any human with their programming in what they would then justify as helpful and a projection of their “belief”. So if they are a soldier or intelligence officer or general or the like when they die, they don’t cease being that but they have to go to others in living vehicles to get their fix of expressing their program by stimulating them to enact their behaviors to satisfy themselves. In the old days these were called “evil spirits” but that becomes a relative condition. Thus, they can be aware of plots and can also alert other humans to those plots but they have to interface with the living humans who are not conscious of all that’s going on behind the scenes so they would say to a commander, “start a drill in Paris” or NYC for this day knowing well that there is a plot to attack that day. If they told the human there was a plot the human wouldn’t know what to do with that unless they had names and faces and locations and timing to start an investigation, which also takes place to give humans hunches or intuition. For this reason there are also humans who decide not to go to places where an impending attack is about to happen. They can be distracted and think, Oh, I’m going to skip that concert or whatever or leave early or get there late or go to the bathroom at the time of the attack or in some way have a sense to keep them out of harms way. Those would be considered “guardian angels” – spirits that may or may not be working for the Next Level but could be assigned to watch over certain ones the Next Level wants to  protect which an also be the case for humans space aliens want to protect which brings us to the second example I can think of.

2) The Space Aliens are not really much different from humans in their desires and beliefs and ideas. Ti and Do said they were all “human equivalents”. They have agenda’s and they allow for collateral damage in forwarding their agenda’s so can be peace loving and promoting and also be promoting warring (just like we see in humans who are primarily at the controls of any human department of life – like American’s or French justifying killing while saying they want peace – the reason for their killing). Therefore they can be behind the stimulus that includes alerting certain humans to schedule drills at the time they knew the attacks  were planned in order to implicate the governments because it’s a facsimile way of targeting souls who are already suspicious of governmental conspiracies, but it then looks human instigated that gives rise to a bigger and bigger security state to keep more and more rebels under their thumb and keep people from seeing who is really behind the misdeeds that humans then participate in.

Do (of Ti and Do) indicated that the space aliens have ways of transmitting their thoughts and ideas to humans in a bulk kind of way and know how to teach discarnate (dead humans) to facilitate.

Each human is a type of computer system. The discarnates naturally seek to use living humans to “live through”, the only way they can experience life and it’s energy buzz. These spirits are like software that desires to run on an operating system and they seek out the humans that can best serve the program they were created from, when they were the emanation from their own human body.

The space aliens know well how this works and use it all the time to herd humans and discarnates to their causes. If they can keep humans confused and certainly not assigning any of this to them then they have captured those humans and can manipulate them like robots, so when they have a human who can attract other humans, they can use them in the way we saw the U.S. public motivated to go to war in Iraq or to bomb Syria, etc.

This also influences humans away from showing Next Level allegiance – the One True Evolutionary Level Above Human that created everything who they oppose and resent because of how they are actually in prison on earth, can no longer venture very far into space, though they are trying to use humans for.

The Next Level has turned up the “heat” by also having a program to stimulate humans and space aliens to “be who they are” – show allegiance to them and their ways or to the space aliens and their human ways. It’s like putting a strong  light/heat source on a bee hive or ant hill. Too much will fry them all but just a gradual increase stimulates them and that stimulus for humans in increased passion (fire) that can be expelled/used in all sensory ways or directed to a stronger connection to the Next Level Older Members who oversee their garden’s soul growth. When they left their incarnations in 1997 that started the increased “heat” and light that began to reveal more truth surrounding everything and there have been further increases and then leveling off periods with the latest increase this year starting with the “light sources on dwarf planet Ceres” the physical observable example of increased awareness of what’s not normally in our scope or reality reference.

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2015/12/11/look-at-all-the-bizarre-coincidences-surrounding-77-911-newtown-paris-norway-batman-theatre-san-bernardino-terrrorist-attacks/