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Critique of Rolling Stone article “Heaven’s Gate 20 Years Later: 10 Things You Didn’t Know”

March 29, 2017

To follow is my critique of the Rolling Stone 20 year anniversary of Heaven’s Gate “suicides” starting with the link to the article and the text that I commented to as needed:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/03/29/critique-of-rolling-stone-article-heavens-gate-20-years-later-10-things-you-didnt-know

Rolling Stone article:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/heavens-gate-20-years-later-10-things-you-didnt-know-w473560

Heaven’s Gate 20 Years Later: 10 Things You Didn’t Know

From cult members’ eating habits to the sneakers the group wore during its infamous 1997 mass suicide
Heaven’s Gate 20 Years Later: 10 Things You Didn’t Know
By Michael Hafford
3/24/2017

Twenty years after their mass suicide made headlines across the world, Heaven’s Gate is still one of the most notorious cults of the 20th century – not to mention one of the most recognizable. In March 1997, America was shook by the strange story that included mass suicide, wild public-access-style videos, an obsession with U.F.O.s and, in true late-Nineties fashion, tracksuits and matching Nikes. They also had a new recruitment tool: the Internet.

*** Sawyer’s comment:

Evidence reveals the distortion in this statement about the Internet as a new “recruitment tool”. Even though they never “recruited” as has been seen but most, if not all religious and spiritual and secular organizations, there were only two short periods of time when they held public meetings to see if there were any who identified with their information.

1) From April of 1975 which ceased by June of 1976 and
2) January of 1994 (with two test meetings in November of 1993) and lasted until August of 1994.
3) In 1996 they put up their web site, Heavensgate.com and from it two people joined and one soon left.

If recruitment was ever their interest why limit it so and why choose to exit their vehicles after only one “recruit” from the Internet. It was only their interest for two short periods of time primarily and then towards the time of their exit in 1996.

However, since then the Internet has been the primary way for people to learn the truth about Ti and Do and the group since the media has largely not dealt with the truth as their primary interest. This is evidenced by the way Wikipedia pays no attention to what Do wrote unless it was published by someone else who was writing about the group and they were not pro telling the truth about what they said and did.

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Heaven’s Gate has the distinction of being the first well-known American cult of the Internet era, using the new technology to share their beliefs with a wider audience and also to make a living. They derived a large portion of their income from designing web pages. Formed in the Seventies, they had become reclusive by the start of the 1990s and started attempting to recruit members online using the organizational name “Higher Source” for the website.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
They had a number of members of the group who were working in high tech management positions for years that probably made a lot more money than that little business. For instance Nrrody had been the head Technical Writing department manager for Texas Instruments. Mllody had been a Senior level programmer analyst for large banks included Mtech and Hewlet Packard. Others like Stlody was a Certified Network Engineer. I worked with all three of these at one company in California. One of the individuals who worked at their web design company was named Glnody. He got his start when I formed a company with Srrody – a very sharp low level programmer and secured a contract for a consultant in Dallas that maintained Anheiser Busch’s Bakery subsidiary as subcontractors. I gave him and others like Chkody their first programming lessons. Alxody was also a certified Network Engineer.
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Though the web would eventually become central in the organization, the group’s origins were much more grassroots. In the early 1970s, founders Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles – a Texas music teacher and nurse that he met during a stay in a psychiatric institution – renamed themselves Bo and Peep and took a six-month-long road trip across the United States. Around 1974, they assembled a group called “the crew.” For the next two decades, they lived all around Southern California. Thought Nettles died in 1985, Applewhite kept the group together, and when the Internet was introduced to consumers in the early 1990s, they began using the new technology to share their beliefs with a wider audience. The reclusive group also used it to make a living, deriving a large portion of their income from designing web pages.

*** Sawyer’s Comments:
They at first traveled together from 1/1/73 to early April of 1975 when they to their surprise had students so became called Bo and Peep. we as a group were never called “the crew”. We did refer to ourselves as a crew but not as a title. We lived all over the western U.S. but mostly in the southwest from Texas to California and Colorado and Wyoming mostly not all that much time relatively speaking in southern California. There was no Internet we were aware of in the “early 1990’s”. We did upload our Beyond Human tapes to Satellite through Hughs Broadcasting uplink service. Other that we used traditional media when we went public for the second time in the early 1990’s.

re: the big psychiatric hospital misinformation:

I pulled this comment from the Huffington Post article that claimed this psychiatric hospital meeting [2] and also said they “fell in love,” [3] so I included the sections that show how both were not based on any facts but now have become “alternative facts,” even unconsciously creating myth from reality.

Here’s what Do wrote in 88update that I witnessed he and Ti referring to several times:

“In the early 1970’s, two members of the Kingdom of Heaven (or what some might call two aliens from space) incarnated into two unsuspecting humans in Houston, a registered nurse and a college music professor who were in their forties. The nurse and the professor hadn’t previously known each other and had completely separate lives. The registered nurse was happily married with four children, worked in the nursery of a local hospital [2 – what kind of psychiatric hospital has a “nursery?”], and enjoyed a small astrology practice. The music professor, a divorcee who had lived with a male friend for some years, was contentedly involved in cultural and academic activities.

For about a year before they met, their lives seemed to encounter severe upheaval and personal confusion, later recognized as the human body’s response to the entry of the minds from what “the two” referred to as the “Next Level,” or the physical level above human. About nine months after they first met, they left Houston because their lives, which were crumbling around them, made it impossible to concentrate on what was actually happening to them.

Most of their friends and associates thought the two of them had lost their minds or were being duped into a relationship by the other. The only relationship they shared, certainly having no physical attraction toward each other, was the compulsion to discover what had brought them together and what might be their purpose. They had little in common other than strong personal relationships with their Heavenly Father.” [3 – fell in love”?]

So where did the “psychiatric hospital” idea come in and where was it that they “fell in love” and no mention of “extraterrestrials” though I would give that last point some liberty. Here is yet another view as said by DO live on the video series he started in 1992. By the way I am introduced as Sawyer in the video and my face is shown as with Jwn his two “helpers” in the video:

Beyond Human — The Last Call – Session 1
http://heavensgate.com/book/4-4.htm

10th paragraph:

In the early 70’s, for unknown reasons (and this is just my attempt to explain to you what occurred), for unknown reasons – things we could not understand – my life began to suddenly fall apart.  It had been a very stable life, an acceptable life, certainly one that was considered legitimate and had respect to it in the community, as did Ti’s life. And her life separately began to fall apart.  We did not know each other.  We’d never seen one another that we were aware of – had never met.  Then in the early 70’s, I think around ’72, we met just perchance while I was visiting a sick friend in a hospital where Ti was a nurse.[2 – met in hospital where Ti was a nurse that had a nursery] From that moment, my life changed – changed very significantly. I rebelled.  I didn’t want it to change, and yet I knew it had to change.  And the conflict that was in me was very great.

The same thing was happening with Ti.  She knew she had something to do with me.  I tried to reject that idea. Ti was confused for awhile and wondered, “Well, why do I recognize you, and you don’t recognize me”?  And even though I might have thought I didn’t recognize Ti, I knew that I couldn’t cut it off. And yet here we had separate lives, separate careers, families, involvements in the world, and all of a sudden, just because we met, something was causing us to have to become more involved in spite of our desire not to.  Not involved in a human way.  There was never a coming together in that we were bed partners or involved in a physical relationship. [3 – “fell in love?”] But there was something that compelled us to spend time together and listen to each other, and search together.”

I know reporters went to Houston to talk to people that knew them and no doubt one or more could have said they thought they were having an affair. I know that DO told us that they got a court order against Ti’s vehicles husband (as I don’t know if they had divorced yet by then) because he threatens DO. So it was fertile ground for conjecture but that doesn’t mean they are facts.

Why not believe what Do wrote in several documents at different times years apart and that I heard Ti talk about a decade or so earlier, to confirm as the most accurate account? They would still be considered evil cult leaders even then. What did they have to gain by making up that story. Especially in 1994, why would Do hide the truth from his dedicated 24+ students when they were going to go out on the road again after 17 years in seclusion to “recruit”, (that actually never was as other groups did so, which I provide evidence for)? We held meetings in Dallas, Houston, Addison and Austin that year and DO wasn’t traveling with any of the groups while they went out among the people to put up posters advertising the meetings and looking for free press coverage. I was even part of a multi group effort that did a big story for the Dallas Morning News then in which Ollody’s many paints were shown on television. We visited most every health food store and book store and campus to advertise our meetings. How unlikely would have it been to run into someone that knew of the story about Applewhite and Nettles from 1975. I don’t know if that happened. However in 1975 at Christmas time, having joined 3 months before then, I with my partner who Ti and Do had assigned me several months before then, were out on our own with no connection to a larger group or to Bo and Peep (the names they still used then), hitchhiked (because our car broke down) to Houston where Dandy actually knew some people who we stayed with for a night or two. While there, they had some people over and it just so happens one was a women who told us she knew Applewhite and that he had wandering hands, I think she said. I thought that was a sexual insinuation. I didn’t think she was making it up but nor did it dissuade me or have me question what I was doing. I had been a rogue hippy vagabond musician for years before then, exploring a number of spiritual forms, to which I could never really feel one with, that is until I met Ti and Do and knew I had to give up my instruments and girlfriend and the house I was building in a startup commune in Oregon to follow them. My point is, how did they know what any of us heard about them, even when groups did meetings in 1975-6 in Austin, Brownsville, El Paso, Houston, Nashville, Lubbock and San Marcos? They could have started to tell their stories of how they met, which I only recall in the early 1980’s while living in houses and could have said things that could give a student a hard time believing because of what they heard. Why would they have risked making up a story when they were already hated by people all over the country even without that story and how would their story make it better for them anyway?

Common sense says that their story as told by Do is the most dependable one but seems to be the one most all the media outlets I’ve seen and that’s been many dozens since 1975 avoid like the plague. I can offer an explanation for this but most will have a hard time with it, but it doesn’t matter, the facts stand on their own.

Here is where so many reporters get their “facts”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29
According to Applewhite’s writings, the two met in the psychiatric hospital where she worked during his stay there.[5] The two quickly became close friends.[6] He later recalled that he felt like he had known her for a long time and concluded that they had met in a past life.[7] She told him their meeting had been foretold to her by extraterrestrials, persuading him that he had a divine assignment.[8][9]

(7) Lalich 2004, pp. 44, 48.
(8) Balch & Taylor 2002, p. 210.
(9) Lalich 2004, p. 43.

Do only wrote about this in 88 update and spoke about it in Beyond Human – The Last Call video tape session 1 so perhaps these references refer to one of these documents as the video tapes were transcribed so are available in print.

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The cult’s philosophy took its roots from Applewhite’s Presbyterian upbringing – his father was a minister – and essentially grafted belief in extraterrestrials onto Christian theology. Applewhite told his acolytes that he was the second coming of Jesus Christ, that God was an alien, and that they were living in the end times. They read the Bible, especially, Revelation Chapter 11 in the New Testament, a section about two witnesses that would prophecy. At the end of their prophecy, they would have to battle demons, which Applewhite and Nettles called “the Luciferians.”

**** Sawyer’s comment:
There is no evidence in Ti and Do’s teachings of “Applewhite Presbyterian upbringing” unless you count belief that Jesus and his Father were was from the Kingdom of God. If anything they were contrary to most all the standard Christian belief variances. Their book found at Heavensgate.com and my book at http://www.TIandDOTheFatherandJesusHeavensGateUFOTwoWitnesses are good references for this.

Do never told us he was Jesus Christ. Here’s why. Jesus was the name of the physical body an Older member from the Next Level took to perform his task through. That same body was never scheduled to come back in an incarnate way. Ti and Do said this clearly in 1973, 1975 and thereafter. Lots more evidence available. They did say they were fulfilling what Christians called the Second Coming. Ti nor Do ever said God was an alien. Do did write that some humans might see members of the Next Level as aliens.

The Bible was never a source of lesson material for the classrooms Overcoming process. In the 1990’s it was referenced more because that was when Do felt we needed to be “who we are” (1987) which meant say we were the return of the same Souls who were in Jesus and his disciples, (which Jesus actually taught would be returning and completing their “spirit birth” by having a “water birth” where spirit was compared to the invisible but physical wind and “water” was compared to the human kingdom’s flesh basis. Ti and Do said this was not reincarnation the way it’s described by most eastern religions.

We never as a classroom from 1975 to 1994 ever sat down to read Revelations chapter 11 about the Two Witnesses. Do writes about when He and Ti recognized that was the prophecy they were fulfilling not liking the idea.

Here is what Do wrote about that in 88Update:

“Their real or more in-depth awakening occurred over several months
while camping on the Rogue River near Gold Beach, Oregon.  While there
they came to believe that they were the Two Witnesses mentioned in the
Book of Revelations.  This was extremely difficult for them to accept,
for they were both the type who were “turned off” by people who
thought they were reincarnations of Cleopatra, or some Egyptian king
or Biblical character.  To have to believe that they were assuming a
role that would have caused them to “run the other way” had they seen
someone else assume it, was more than hard to digest.

In spite of that difficulty, they felt that they really had no
choice but to tell the world what the real Kingdom of Heaven was – a
physical evolutionary level, instead of some mystical cloud-and-harp,
spiritual existence as Lucifer has popularly twisted the scripture
quoters to misinterpret.  The term “evolutionary” here does not refer
to the theories presented by Darwin, but to a level of life that can
be entered only after overcoming or rising above the ways of the human
world, and only with the assistance of a Member of the Heavenly
Kingdom.”

I never heard Ti use the term Luciferians but they did acknowledge Lucifer and his associates were working against all but that it was part of the design to have students get stronger to conquer their influence.

Ti and Do didn’t derive what they came to know from the Bible. It only added verification to what they both knew and received individually. It was an uncanny experience watching them work together. Some audio tapes are available.

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But then, in late March 1997, 39 members including Applewhite wearing black track suits and sneakers, ate apple sauce laced with barbiturates and washed it down with vodka. They then put bags over their heads, purple shrouds over their bodies, and laid down to leave their earthly vehicles behind. They weren’t killing themselves, they thought, but freeing their souls from their so they could ascend to a spacecraft flying in the wake of the Hale-Bopp comet – which at that point was passing by Earth – and were going to be taken to their new home in space. Instead, police found their bodies on March 26th, and the images of the white and black Nikes poking out from under a purple cloth would be burned into the eyes of a generation.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
They said it was “irrelevant” whether there was a spacecraft in the wake of the Hale Bopp Comet. They said the Comet served as their “marker” for the timing of their exit.

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Here, 10 things you might not know about the Heaven’s Gate cult and its infamous mass suicide

The cult borrowed a lot of imagery from science fiction
Applewhite and Nettles were huge fans of Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and they brought some sci-fi to the group – resulting in theories like that Mary had been taken aboard a spaceship and impregnated with Jesus. It also led to the members that would eventually kill themselves to wear patches that said “Heaven’s Gate Away Team,” which you can see in the group’s farewell video, a reference the specialized crew that went on missions to alien planets in Star Trek.

*** Sawyer’s comments:
They were not “fans” of Star Wars or Close encounters though they had us see them when they came out and had a little to say about each. They did think Mary was artificially inseminated by the Next Level on a craft to prepare the vehicle named Jesus for his task. I don’t know where that idea first came to them.

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The group also believed that God was an advanced alien traveling in the spaceship in the trail of the Hale-Bopp comet, and that he planned to soon “recycle” the Earth. The group committed suicide so that they could ascend to “The Evolutionary Level Above Human.”

*** Sawyer’s comment:
What humans called Suicide was simply the method to exit their vehicles. Ti and Do always said and even hoped they would leave with their bodies but were prepared for all options. This is part of why it seems they packed travel bags.

God was a term that any adult member of the Next Level would earn by graduating into the Next Level from the human kingdom. They spoke in terms of Older Members and Younger Members of the Next Level and always said it was a “many membered Kingdom” and they used/wore physical bodies they MADE so were not reproduced by mammalian reproduction they had outgrown.

They did say there was a “chief of chiefs” the oldest most experienced member of the Next Level who humans could not understand but if they graduated into the Next Level would begin to understand more about where He came from.

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They made headlines early on
In September 1975, the group visited the small town of Waldport, Oregon, to give a lecture about how U.F.O.s were soon going to make contact with the human race. According to an article in the New York Times, roughly 150 people packed into a motel hall to hear Applewhite’s lecture. At first the town thought it was a joke, but soon, 20 people – or about one in 30 residents of the town – packed up, told their loved ones goodbye, and drove off.

“A score of persons… have disappeared,” Walter Cronkite said on the CBS Evening News. “It’s a mystery whether they’ve been taken on a so-called trip to eternity — or simply been taken.”

They had gone to a meeting of about 400 people in Grand Junction, Colorado, who believed they would be visited by alien beings. The rendezvous never happened, but the congregation did escape with their lives. According to the Times, none of these Oregon residents were among those found in 1997.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
I joined from the Waldport meeting. Do said there were 34 new members from that meeting. Most were not from Waldport where I lived actually.

I  think something got very mixed up with talk of some congregation escaping with their lives. I met them in at the Colorado National Monument after tying up the loose ends of my life in Waldport and we soon left for a Boulder Campround and then up to Poudre River. I didn’t join for a ufo ride. Nor did most of those who became core believers in Ti and Do. They simply recognized Ti and Do somehow and knew this was what they wanted to do. The Student Exit tapes verify this.

Lvvody, Jnnody, Ollody came from the Waldport meeting and I think Ollody was going to school in Eugene.

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Members were devotees of the Master Cleanse.

Aside from abandoning your family and turning over all your money, cult members were asked to cleanse their bodies of the impure influence of things like fast food and impure sexual thoughts. That often involved things like the Master Cleanse, invented in the 1940s by Stanley Burroughs and republished in 1976 in his book The Master Cleanser. Cult member Rio DiAngelo, real name Richard Ford, told Newsweek that the group took it much farther than the diet’s other So-Cal acolytes – they drank nothing but the mix of lemonade, cayenne pepper and maple syrup for three entire months.

*** Sawyer’s comments:
Yes, we used the Master Cleanser several times but were not “devotees” to it.

Fast food was never one of the things Ti and Do ever said we needed to cleanse our bodies from though we seldom had fast food and knew of it’s poor nutritional value. We did eat at Taco Bell by Choice a time or two or if we had to eat fast food we would.

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Originally, the cult promised that members wouldn’t have to die to ascend to a higher plane.
According to the BBC, members were originally told that they would be able to exit their “containers” without resorting to suicide. They told L.A. Weekly in 1994 that they hoped to be beamed up into space, taking their bodies with them into the “Next Level,” as members called their version of the afterlife. In the mid-1980s, when Nettles died of cancer, Applewhite amended his teachings to say that they would be given a new body in the Next Level, so their bodies wouldn’t necessarily go with them. The group acknowledged that death might be necessary if they were to be picked up by the alien spacecraft, but appears to have held out hope that they could do so without dying.

*** Sawyer’s comment:

It’s true at first Ti and Do thought only they would lose their vehicles. They even maintained that possibility to 1997 the reason they carried travel bags incase Ti took them without their needing to die.

Do, (Applewhite, his vehicle) never “amended” He and Ti’s teachings. they always said upon graduation the graduates would be given a new Next Level vehicle. They were not aliens. That is the distortion the Luciferian space alien fallen angels are still trying to brainwash humans to think. Ti and Do were from the Next Level who created everything – all the planets and all the life forms and they allow the space aliens to be here to present their agenda to humans to test humans of to whom to give their allegiance to become like the space aliens (who are human equivalents and can’t even travel into space anymore anyway, the reason they are training humans to do it for them), or to the Next Level.
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The suicides took place over the course of three days.
Though the 39 dead members of the cult were found on Wednesday, March 26th, 1997, coroner’s reports showed that the suicides were far from simultaneous. The members killed themselves starting Sunday using a combination of Phenobarbital, alcohol and hydrocodone, probably consumed with apple sauce or pudding. The members then put plastic bags over their heads and suffocated to death, after which they were covered in shrouds. Applewhite was a late death, but not the last to die.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
There never was a report of their use of Hydrocodone.
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“Labeled ‘The Routine,’ the document outlined a process by which a group of 15 people would kill themselves, assisted by eight other people,” CNN wrote. “Then a second group of 15 would die, also assisted by eight people. Given that 39 victims were found, that would have left a final group of nine.”

Part of the Heaven’s Gate dogma was that everything had to be precisely the same
“Everything was designed to be… an exact duplicate,” surviving member Michael Conyers later said. “You were not to come up with, ‘Well I’m going to make the pancakes this big.’ There was a mixture, a size, how long you cooked it one side, how much the burner was on, how many a person got, how the syrup was poured on it. Everything.” Conyers said that even male members shaved their faces a specific way.

**** Sawyer’s comment:

Everything wasn’t designed to be an exact duplicate but we did thrive on crew mindedness and it put some to the test whether they could conform like it would be in the military. There were lots of procedures on how to do things. We had recipes that Ti and Do wanted to see consistant good results. I don’t recall a procedure on how to pour the syrup on pancakes though we had an amount but one could forego having any syrup or at times uses jelly or just butter. Michael (Rthody) remembers whatever he had the most problems with. For me it was just a routine I didn’t find a problem with enjoying following. What’s wrong with having the burner on a certain setting to heat the griddle to the best temperature to best cook pancakes? I guess he wouldn’t be a very good chef if he didn’t have standards. But of course it was designed to weed out those who really weren’t fitting in as then the smallest things might become the straw that broke the camel’s back. Someone might want to ask Michael why/how he left. Do stimulated the second visit of families and when Michael came back he wanted to leave to be with his human family and then off he went. Had Do wanted to keep everyone in the group why would he and Ti have us visit families. It served as an innocent test of our resolve. That one of the many reasons I know all who stayed to their exit of their vehicles did so because they genuinely knew this was what they wanted to do regardless of whether humans would understand or condone their choice. They were quite in dependant minds compared to humans.

As I recall, Michael asked Do about how he shaved – in which direction he moved the blade. Before that we had no “procedure”. I guess he didn’t like Do’s answer. Had he not asked it would have remained an option. Ti and Do didn’t try to lay out all the options anything could be done. To the contrary they left many details up to us to work out and when we had problems or reached an impasse between students then it became a lesson opportunity as to how we would work out our differences between partners. Often that resulted in a procedure so it was settled but there were always many areas of difference.

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This is a common tactic for cults – if a leader wants to convince members to do something as extreme as commit suicide, they has to replace their entire belief structure with the belief structure of the cult, a process called indoctrination.

“[Cults] say, ‘You have to break out of your Western mentality,” David Sullivan, a private investigator specializing in cult deprogramming, told Harper’s. “You’re too judgmental. You have to abandon your whole psychological-intellectual framework. Your obsessive materialism is blocking you from seeing the truth.'”

*** Sawyer’s comment:
So how many cults do we have that example for? How did Jim Jones get so many to commit suicide? Wasn’t it fear of having authorities destroy their way of life and it was made into a drill they repeated and didn’t know it wasn’t real poison they drank so that when they finally drank it, many under gunpoint and being threatened on the PA system they did it.

We talked about all ways to exit our vehicles. It wasn’t until 1994 that doing so by our own hand seemed like the way we might go and no one’s entire belief system as replaced, especially for those that joined in 1994 that hardly had a grasp on the groups beliefs.

This is the way governments get their citizens to go to war to kill others and think if they die it’s honorable. A typical cult technique except that’s the cult of Luciferian misinformation.

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The Next Level was a place without gender, and that led to castration
Applewhite and other members underwent the procedure to help ensure they remained celibate. Applewhite, who had been fired as a music professor at the University of St. Thomas in 1970 after administrators learned he had sex with a male student, sought cures for his homosexual urges. He wanted to find a way to have “platonic relationship where he could develop his full potential without sexual entanglements,” said one reporter who infiltrated the group in 1975. Castration, Applewhite believed, could make that easier. Ultimately, the group instituted a strict “no sex, no human-level relationships, no socializing” rule.

Though decisions like this were always left up to the members, eight followers were castrated voluntarily, including Applewhite. “They couldn’t stop smiling and giggling,” former member DiAngelo told Newsweek. “They were excited about it.”

***Sawyer’s comment:

It is true that in the Next Level abodes, on spacecraft laboratories, members don’t have a gender and the physical bodies they wear don’t have a gender. They are from The Evolutionary Level Above Human and to become a Member meant they had to conquer/overcome all their human kingdom characteristics like gender, sexuality, accumulation of wealth, elevation of self (ego), addictions and mammalian relationships. But castration became an option that most did not choose to undergo as for some they didn’t have a significant challenge by that part of their vehicles hormonal system that stimulated a significant toward maintaining celibacy.

The castration procedure was not to “ensure celibacy” and that especially applies to the long term members including DO who had many years of successful overcoming of his vehicles sexual nature. Instead it was like a reward for their efforts to be rid of that battle that despite one’s self control over their vehicles urges, etc. the battle still raged even in ways hardly recognizable as related. For instance when one doesn’t control that addiction to the loss of energy/fluids and the various attention to thoughts and feelings, one’s capacity for “common sense” diminishes, according to Ti and Do. Also one is not as objective working with others if their vehicle is attracted or repulsed to another’s vehicle. Thurston, seen in the exit videos as TRSODY makes note of this and the relief he felt after the procedure. Someone who never experiences any significant celibacy of mind and body isn’t capable of understanding it from an experiential standpoint any more than certain alcoholics who may not even think of themselves as alcoholics don’t know how their judgement has been impaired.

There is a great deal to say about this and how the option came to be as I was a part of the first choices to be castrated and Do stopped me from proceeding on two occasions. For over a year DO wondered if allowing those students that were asking for the procedure (Srrody, Prkody and I mostly, DO told us), if he approved of it, by having it done, would reduce the effort needed to build our Mind muscle by working against those vehicular characteristics. Do also thought that the Next Level had designed human male vehicles to be easily castrated (neutered) compared to females who he didn’t give the option to because it was too invasive. (I never learned of that procedure).

It was always interesting to note how Jesus approved of castration for his disciples? In context here is what he said:

Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

It was also known that the Essene Jewish community that Jewish heirarchals disproved of also showed in the Dead Sea Scrolls that we read in the book Essene Christian Faith, their promotion of self stimulated castration.

There have been several versions of the story that Applewhite was fired for a relationship with a college student. It may be true but he was teaching in the University of St. Thomas so the student would not have been underage and when talking to the administrators one reporter only learned that he was fired for “personal reasons”. There is also only rumors that he sought professional help with his homosexuality and even if they were true I don’t know what is so terrible about that. About his relationships with a man, Do did tell the student body and wrote in the 88update that he had been living with a man and that he was not happy with his relationship because he sought someone who wanted a committed relationship. Robert Balch, who was not a reporter, but who did write about the group a lot was the one who did infiltrate the group in 1975 and made these few things into his treatise of why he eventually led the group to what humans call suicide so as is the case with this story in particular the same media reports end up being used over and over to build the same rumors and innuendo and hypothesis into facts – the way myth get’s started it seems.

The group didn’t ultimately institute, a strict “no sex, no human-level relationships, no socializing” rule. We had those rules from day one and all the rules came from TI and DO until TI exited her vehicle in 1985 and then came from DO alone.

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Heaven’s Gate cult
Police photo showing a deceased member of the Heaven’s Gate cult. Nike discontinued the sneakers the members wore. STR New/Reuters

The cult went out for a last supper together.
Though Heaven’s Gate members were cut off from their families and friends, they were far from total recluses. Their final meal together was a big group dinner that took place at a chain that they frequented near their compound in Rancho Santa Fe, CA.

“And a week ago Friday [just before their suicides] — just a day or so before enacting their meticulously planned suicides — the cult went out for a last supper together at the Marie Callender’s restaurant in Carlsbad,” the BBC wrote.

“They all ordered the exact same thing,” a waiter recalled to the paper. “It was set up before they came in. They all had iced teas to drink. Dinner salads beforehand with tomato vinegar dressing. Turkey potpie for the entree. Cheesecake with blueberries on top for dessert. They seemed very nice, very friendly, very polite. No one seemed depressed at all, or anything like that.”

Two surviving members likely still operate the cult’s website.
One of the ways that Heaven’s Gate paid the bills was with a web design group called “Higher Source.” Their website is still online.

“Clients described Higher Source employees as diligent and professional,” the AP wrote. “They said the Web-site designers didn’t look particularly unusual for computer experts with a lot of work in the entertainment industry, with dark, collarless shirts and closely cropped hair.”

The pair most likely behind the Higher Source website are Mark and Sarah King according to Motherboard.

“The information must be available to mankind, in preparation for their return,” the page’s admins told Reddit’s blog. “We don’t know when that will be but those who are interested will find the information.”

*** Sawyer’s comment:
Mark and Sarah were instructed to leave the group in 1987 because they didn’t want to abide by the lesson step called, “I could be wrong” and they never returned so had nothing to do with the Higher Source Web Design Business. Do and Crew did stay in touch with them and in 1994 offered them to return to the class again but they denied but then Do offered them logistical types of tasks as they prepared to exit their vehicles though did not let on to Mark and Sarah what their plans were or that it was a serious consideration. I was still in the class and knew of the plans. Rio (Neody) had been a big part of the Higher Source Web design business. Jwnody as she said in her student exit video had been a big part of Higher Source as was Glnody.

I wrote a critique of the Motherboard article found here:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/sawyers-response-to-motherboard-vice-com-interview-with-heavens-gate-website-webmasters/
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The Nikes the group wore have become a collector’s item.
When the Heaven’s Gate members were discovered, they were all wearing identical black-and-white Nike Decade sneakers – and the company soon discontinued the style, due to its macabre associations. Since then, the shoes have become a collector’s item. An unworn pair apparently discovered in a storage unit in Arizona is up for auction on eBay for the asking price of $6,660, bearing Applewhite’s face as part of its advertising.

Nike didn’t exactly appreciate the free advertising.

“We’ve heard all the jokes,” Nike rep Jim Small told Adweek in 1997. “The Heaven’s Gate incident was a tragedy. It had nothing to do with Nike.”

The surviving members agree. They say that the shoes were purchased in bulk because of their cost, not necessarily their style.

“They turned out to be a look that Do and the Class [adopted names for the cult leader and a member] liked,” they told Sole Collector in an email. “They were also able to get a good deal on them. It was a combination of factors that made the sale happen, not because of a particular model or brand.”

*** Sawyer’s comment:

“Class” wasn’t “a member”. It was short for “Classroom” the equivalent of student body or “church” in Ti and Do’s new generic non-religious terms that were more accurate now.

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Critique of Huffington Post article “dying to go to heaven” that insinuates Heaven’s gate compares to suicide bombers of 9/11 etc. and how they should be stopped

March 28, 2017

To follow is my critique of this Huff Post article that is about the latest wild eyed pack of lies as almost could be. Here is the link to the article with my comments side by side to the text:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dying-to-go-to-heaven-what-the-heavens-gate-suicides_us_58d56e6ce4b06c3d3d3e6d71

Dying To Go To Heaven: What The Heaven’s Gate Suicides Teach Us About Islamic Martyrdom

Michael Shermer, Contributor Publisher Skeptic magazine (skeptic.com), columnist Scientific American, Presidential Fellow Chapman University
@MichaelShermer.

It was 20 years ago this week, March 20-26, 1997, that 39 members of the Heaven’s Gate cult “graduated” from this life to ascend to the UFO mothership that they believed would take them to an extraterrestrial paradise. I’ll never forget it. I was on book tour for Why People Believe Weird Things, and neither I nor any of my peers who study belief systems had ever heard of the cult. It was hard to fathom. Now, as I look back 20 years later, I believe the mass suicide has a deeper lesson that goes far beyond the confines of New Age fringe cults, and has relevance to understanding the motivations of today’s suicide terrorists.

**** Sawyer’s comment:

First off, this is like comparing doctors who work for Doctors without borders to those who design biological weapons. There is zero comparison and that’s a distant comparison. It would be like comparing Ghandi or Martin Luther King Jr. to the leader of the KKK, even for motivation. Maybe it seems like a fair comparison for someone who has no concept of what is beyond the limited scientific view of where we as a human species came from and when and how.

It’s no secret that the motivation of suicide terrorists is most often vengence for others crimes against their people tied into hating their lives and the misery around them perpetrated largely by the west and mixed in with distorted belief systems that vary and no longer even resemble their founders teachings. Take Christians today. What do they DO and SAY that has much of anything to do with what Jesus taught and what they do get right, they assume applies to them, for the benefits though they ignore the requirements. Or they mystify everything so it can apply to whatever they want it to. Christians today are really disciples of Paul who hated and condemned Jesus followers and the disciples of Jesus were quite “wary” of, yet became the foundation of Catholicism commercialized and politcized and spiritualized ad infinitum.

I’m no expert on Islam but know enough that the same kind of distortion and dilution exists today and has for centuries just as the same kind of distortion is quite apparant in Judaism, today’s Rabbinic Judaism, separate from Orthodox that is even far afield from it’s core provided by Jehovah through Moses. And of course the same can be said of Hinduism and Buddhism with some sects more atuned to the anceit Veda’s and Upanishads than others who had secularized and/or religisized.

To try to make this case using Marshall and Bonnie as your guinea pigs is as shallow a low blow as one can make, even worse than using cutsey words to describe their so called “insanity” which today is the going rage in the internet mainstream journalism, which I can show lots of examples of.

Of couse there isn’t much guts left in most of the media that I have found so it’s par for the course of what has become a paid off enterprise to allow and even support this kind of journalism.

May little examples will follow:
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But first, let’s revisit the story. Heaven’s Gate was founded in 1975 by Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles after they met in a psychiatric hospital. They fell in love and believed their pairing had been foretold by extraterrestrials.

*** Sawyers’s comment:
The article reports: “But first, let’s revisit the story. Heaven’s Gate was founded in 1975 [1] by Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles after they met in a psychiatric hospital [2]. They fell in love [3] and believed their pairing had been foretold by extraterrestrials.

(By the way Wikepedia is also full of innaccuracies that I have tried to offer to correct some of in years past but they don’t consider me authorized, though perhaps since I have published now they will hear me out a tiny bit more. My web site for my book is at: http://wwww.TIandDOTheFatherandJesusHeavensGateUFOTwoWitnesses.com )

For a number of corrections I refer to the document “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew”, http://heavensgate.com/book/3-3.htm which was written by DO in October of 1988 that I witnessed him write from a farmhouse north of Dallas, Texas where we all lived then. I also witnessed him talking about a lot of it’s content before then with TI present at meetings that some of are recorded, which was before Ti’s vehicle died thus up to 1985) and if I had to I could find other former members to collaborate what I heard even includeing the current webmasters of their web site.

According to Wikepedia they do count, or at least give the appearance of value to this document without actually listing it in their references but listing other’s writings where they must say what DO said but often get wrong. I have actually helped one of the most, go to professors – Robert Balch on more than one occasion with accuracy to his writings. In fact Do even sent me to sit with him in 1997 on one such book project he was involved. I was also consulted by Benjamin Zeller on his book but as it goes with academics if they have an idea in their mind they are writing to play out, they will ignore anything that doesn’t substantiate that opinion so most, if not all of what I wrote to him was ignored.

So why have so many writers stay as far away from the 88 update as they could, to instead use conjecture based on rumors that grew to be treated as “facts”, or should I call them “alternative facts” – pure lies and misinformation? I believe I understand why but that’s not for this brief report. Here are three points in this first sentence and there are many more as this article could be used in journalism school to show what journalism can become – a purveyor of anything but the truth and even a stimulant of myth.

1) “Heaven’s Gate was founded in 1975…”, the name was founded in 1996. One can search the Heaven’s Gate web site for that name and won’t find it used in the documents that were written before then.

2) “after they met in a psychiatric hospital”

3) “they fell in love”

Here’s what Do wrote in 88update that I witnessed he and Ti referring to several times:

“In the early 1970’s, two members of the Kingdom of Heaven (or what some might call two aliens from space) incarnated into two unsuspecting humans in Houston, a registered nurse and a college music professor who were in their forties. The nurse and the professor hadn’t previously known each other and had completely separate lives. The registered nurse was happily married with four children, worked in the nursery of a local hospital [2 – what kind of psychiatric hospital has a “nursery?”], and enjoyed a small astrology practice. The music professor, a divorcee who had lived with a male friend for some years, was contentedly involved in cultural and academic activities.

For about a year before they met, their lives seemed to encounter severe upheaval and personal confusion, later recognized as the human body’s response to the entry of the minds from what “the two” referred to as the “Next Level,” or the physical level above human. About nine months after they first met, they left Houston because their lives, which were crumbling around them, made it impossible to concentrate on what was actually happening to them.

Most of their friends and associates thought the two of them had lost their minds or were being duped into a relationship by the other. The only relationship they shared, certainly having no physical attraction toward each other, was the compulsion to discover what had brought them together and what might be their purpose. They had little in common other than strong personal relationships with their Heavenly Father.” [3 – fell in love”?]

So where did the “psychiatric hospital” idea come in and where was it that they “fell in love” and no mention of “extraterrestrials” though I would give that last point some liberty. Here is yet another view as said by DO live on the video series he started in 1992. By the way I am introduced as Sawyer in the video and my face is shown as with Jwn his two “helpers” in the video:

Beyond Human — The Last Call – Session 1
http://heavensgate.com/book/4-4.htm

10th paragraph:

In the early 70’s, for unknown reasons (and this is just my attempt to explain to you what occurred), for unknown reasons – things we could not understand – my life began to suddenly fall apart.  It had been a very stable life, an acceptable life, certainly one that was considered legitimate and had respect to it in the community, as did Ti’s life. And her life separately began to fall apart.  We did not know each other.  We’d never seen one another that we were aware of – had never met.  Then in the early 70’s, I think around ’72, we met just perchance while I was visiting a sick friend in a hospital where Ti was a nurse.[2 – met in hospital where Ti was a nurse that had a nursery] From that moment, my life changed – changed very significantly. I rebelled.  I didn’t want it to change, and yet I knew it had to change.  And the conflict that was in me was very great.

The same thing was happening with Ti.  She knew she had something to do with me.  I tried to reject that idea. Ti was confused for awhile and wondered, “Well, why do I recognize you, and you don’t recognize me”?  And even though I might have thought I didn’t recognize Ti, I knew that I couldn’t cut it off. And yet here we had separate lives, separate careers, families, involvements in the world, and all of a sudden, just because we met, something was causing us to have to become more involved in spite of our desire not to.  Not involved in a human way.  There was never a coming together in that we were bed partners or involved in a physical relationship. [3 – “fell in love?”] But there was something that compelled us to spend time together and listen to each other, and search together.”

I know reporters went to Houston to talk to people that knew them and no doubt one or more could have said they thought they were having an affair. I know that DO told us that they got a court order against Ti’s vehicles husband (as I don’t know if they had divorced yet by then) because he threated DO. So it was fertile ground for conjecture but that doesn’t mean they are facts.

What not believe what Do wrote in several documents at different times years apart and that I heard Ti talk about a decade or so earlier, to confirm as the most accurate account? They would still be considered evil cult leaders even then. What did they have to gain by making up that story. Especially in 1994, why would Do hide the truth from his dedicated 24+ students when they were going to go out on the road again after 17 years in seclusion to “recruit”, (that actually never was as other groups did so, which I provide evidence for)? We held meetings in Dallas, Houston, Addison and Austin that year and DO wasn’t traveling with any of the groups while they went out among the people to put up posters advertising the meetings and looking for free press coverage. I was even part of a multi group effort that did a big story for the Dallas Morning News then in which Ollody’s many paints were shown on television. We visited most every health food store and book store and campus to advertise our meetings. How unlikely would have it been to run into someone that knew of the story about Applewhite and Nettles from 1975. I don’t know if that happened. However in 1975 at Christmas time, having joined 3 months before then, I with my partner who Ti and Do had assigned me several months before then, were out on our own with no connection to a larger group or to Bo and Peep (the names they still used then), hitchhiked (because our car broke down) to Houston where Dandy actually knew some people who we stayed with for a night or two. While there, they had some people over and it just so happens one was a women who told us she knew Applewhite and that he had wandering hands, I think she said. I thought that was a sexual insinuation. I didn’t think she was making it up but nor did it disuade me or have me question what I was doing. I had been a rogue hippy vagabond musician for years before then, exploring a number of spiritual forms, to which I could never really feel one with, that is until I met Ti and Do and knew I had to give up my instruments and girlfriend and the house I was building in a startup commune in Oregon to follow them. My point is, how did they know what any of us heard about them, even when groups did meetings in 1975-6 in Austin, Brownsville, El Paso, Houston, Nashville, Lubbock and San Marcos? They could have started to tell their stories of how they met, which I only recall in the early 1980’s while living in houses and could have said things that could give a student a hard time believing because of what they heard. Why would they have risked making up a story when they were already hated by people all over the country even without that story and how would their story make it better for them anyway?

Common sense says that their story as told by Do is the most dependable one but seems to be the one most all the media outlets I’ve seen and that’s been many dozens since 1975 avoid like the plague. I can offer an explanation for this but most will have a hard time with it, but it doesn’t matter, the facts stand on their own.

Here is where so many reporters get their “facts”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29
According to Applewhite’s writings, the two met in the psychiatric hospital where she worked during his stay there.[5] The two quickly became close friends.[6] He later recalled that he felt like he had known her for a long time and concluded that they had met in a past life.[7] She told him their meeting had been foretold to her by extraterrestrials, persuading him that he had a divine assignment.[8][9]

(7) Lalich 2004, pp. 44, 48.
(8) Balch & Taylor 2002, p. 210.
(9) Lalich 2004, p. 43.

Do only wrote about this in 88 update and spoke about it in Beyond Human – The Last Call video tape session 1 so perhaps these references refer to one of these documents as the video tapes were transcribed so are available in print.
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In the 1980s and 1990s, they recruited several hundred followers, many of whom sold their possessions and lived in isolation, disconnected from their family and friends. They practiced living in dark rooms to simulate space travel and considered sex sinful, with six male members voluntarily undergoing castration.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
Wrong. There was zero “recruiting” as a lay person might see it during any of the 1980’s. I was there the entire time so I know this for a fact and can prove it. For 9 months in 1994 one could say they (we) recruited, though I assure you I can prove it wasn’t recuritment like in any other group. I was an “overseer” and I actually turned away two who were interested after the University of Chicago meeting.

Everyone who joined turned over any remaining possessions they had, not counting the clothing and toiletries and such. No one was searched and some did join with their marijuna and used it and when Ti and Do found out about it dismissed them from the group if they didn’t show signs of willing to drop those habits as with sex.

We never practiced living in Dark rooms. I’d really like to know who said these things. If it was an x-classmate I can prove they were wrong  as I know some former members who are actually not believers anymore but who I am good friends with none the same and who were in the group almost as long as I was.

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In early 1997, the appearance of Comet Hale-Bopp foretold to them that the coming of the UFO mothership, said to be hiding behind the comet, that would take them to what they called The Evolutionary Level Above Human (TELAH), where they would live forever in unadulterated ecstasy. This story was reinforced by Art Bell, on his popular late-night radio show Coast to Coast AM, a purveyor of conspiratorial “alternative facts” (before they were known as such). Compared to eternal bliss in this extraterrestrial heaven, life on Earth was but a temporary stage in evolution. The transition was made in three waves that week, as members drank a deadly cocktail of phenobarbital, applesauce, and vodka; also pulling plastic bags over their heads for self-asphyxiation. Authorities found them all dead in a San Diego home on March 26. The event became a media circus.

All 39 deceased cult members were dressed in identical black shirts and sweat pants, wearing brand new black-and-white Nike Decades athletic shoes, and armband patches reading ‘Heaven’s Gate Away Team’.

Twenty years later, the beliefs of the Heaven’s Gate cult members do seem absurdly ridiculous to most of us, grounded as they were in the New Age science fiction pop-culture. But at their core, how different are the motivations of the Heaven’s Gate members from those today who believe that a heavenly paradise awaits them through a dramatic suicide?

*** Sawyer’s comment:
Suicide as humans define it, different than how Jesus would define it and not the way Do and Crew defined it in their document, “Our Position Against Suicide”.

I’m not sure who this author is referring to by “…motivations of the Heaven’s Gate members from those today…” But Do actually left the “gate open” to exiting the say way they did. I’m actually talked several out of taking that kind of measure as that can also be used by the Lower Forces to further smear the truth, because DO and Crew also spoke about how humans NEED their human vehicles to learn lessons through as the only way to grow towards graduation. Thus the primary ones that option to exit in that way would have most applied to are those that had been in the classroom before, like myself. However the webmasters of the Heavensgate.com web site, were so freaked out from all the negative publicity they got when the group exited, and that they didn’t have a clue was in the works because they weren’t in the class since 1987 or they would have heard lots of talk about it, as I did in 1994, did tell people “the gate is closed” which was the start of mutating the truth into misinformation. The truth is always hard to bear and especially for those who never sought it out much and who become entrenched in this or that “path” as their mission. Those paths are not wrong but they at best can lead to the top of the human mountain while to get off that mountain, as Ti and Do put it requires adhering to the teachings/direction and example from Members of the Level Above Human who exist off that human mountain.

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Perhaps the closest example in the minds of most Americans is Islamic suicide terrorism, a cult-like belief system with far deadlier implications than Heaven’s Gate. Ever since 19 Muslim men chose to end their life in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Westerners have wondered aloud how a belief in heavenly paradise can drive such extreme actions.

The suicide attackers involved in 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center believed they were entering a heavenly afterlife.

*** Sawyer’s comment:
There are millions even billions who think when they die they go to some heavenly afterlife. The word heaven also means sky and the existence in spirit form can seem like LIFE but it’s nothing of the sort which can be shown by Jesus teachings.

Dying doesn’t necessarily get anyone anywhere no matter what they believe, though Ti and Do taught that they get some semblence of what they believed they would get upon death, but it doesn’t mean it is what they think it is, because one must know what it is before they die and that can only be understood when Older Members are incarnate to lift the veil and shoot down the distortions. That is actually allowed to happen so it’s only those who press to understand that truth that find it as the Next Level doesn’t need any new members. They don’t die and have plenty of work setting up gardens for future opportunities that they then “seed” and nurture to a harvest (graduation) of souls while saving others for future opportunities which is where the idea of reincarnation comes from, except that too was distorted into some automatic process, etc.
***

Indeed, the emergence of Islamic martyrdom through suicide bombings seems to have remarkably cult-like traits. It was Muhammad himself (as cited in the Qur’an) who ruled that as a general principle any Muslim soldier who died while attacking an infidel would go straight to paradise. But only in recent times has this statement has been used as a motivator for the style of suicide bombings practiced by the leaders of al Qaeda and ISIS.

Most Muslim scholars agree that the Qur’an forbids suicide, yet according to the Chicago Project on Security and Terrorism, 224 of 300 suicide terror attacks from 1980 to 2003 involved Islamist groups. Statistics suggest the frequency of terror-based suicide has increased dramatically, from less than one incident per month in the decades prior to 9/11, to more than one per day in 2015.
Mohamed Atta served as the hijacker-pilot of American Airlines Flight 11, crashing the plane into the North Tower of the World Trade Center as part of the coordinated 9/11 attacks.

Consider the final words of the 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta (above), penned in a suicide note found in his luggage that he left in his rental car before flying into the World Trade Center building: “Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, ‘Come hither, friend of God.’”

*** Sawyer’s comment:

So full of distortions. According to Ti and Do the only ones that came from the Next Level incarnate were Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus, before their arrival. However they weren’t counting student tasks like perhaps portrayed as Old Testament prophets. DO liked that some in the Islamic countries still made pleasing God part of their everyday attitude. And he liked that they were at least trying to be more modest in dress.

That’s all I know about what they said about Islam, but the general viewpoint of who was teaching things from the Next Level Mind had to do with primarily who was teachings “separating from the human kingdom” – breaking ties and roots to their genetic heritage, not being satisfied with human competitions and building of self even when they have the opportunity. One example was with the Buddhist premise of “renunciation of the world” that DO thought was a sign that at least one Buddha had been part of a Next Level task in that culture.

The true kingdom of God, Kingdom in the literal Heavens has no “women” nor men, as they have outgrown male and female mammalianism. Their physical bodies are grown on a vine to adulthood when they are assigned one for whatever their tasks are that vehicle might have been best suited to perform.

There are no “gardens” in the Next Level. The term “garden” had to do with the way the earth was the Next Level’s experimental hothouse to grow both human vehicles on and to grow spirit and souls within those human vehicles so they could one day after generations graduate out of the human evolutionary kingdom. There is actually nothing spiritual about it except in how the process is one of “mind” over “matter” and it’s swapping out the Luciferian space alien fallen angel “misinformation mind” that saturates all humans with “Next Level (Holy) true, real Mind – Mind that is as a program that by adhering to and applying leads to Next Level Membership.
***

Perhaps out of a desire to not criticize other religions, many Western commentators and politicians blame Islamic terrorism on economic or political pressures. These factors may certainly come into play – yet we cannot escape the fact that suicide bombers often believe they are going to heaven for their deadly actions.

Perhaps it is time for anti-terror groups to cease thinking of Islamic suicide bombings as a legitimate act of war, and instead see the similarities with suicides cults like Heaven’s Gate. Consider the 2016 article, “Why We Hate You, Why We Fight You”, in the ISIS publication Dabiq. The unnamed author drills home the point that beyond any secondary political motives is the fact that, “What’s equally if not more important to understand is that we fight you, not simply to punish and deter you, but to bring you true freedom in this life and salvation in the Hereafter.”

*** Sawyer’s comment:
Except for the HUGE fact that is a MAJOR difference and is like 180 degrees apart – in that the Heaven’s Gate cult members did not harm anyone else but their own human vehicles. The idea that humans don’t have the right to end their own human lives is not found in any of the Judaic or Christian core teachings from Moses and Jesus. And perhaps it’s not really found in the Quran either as otherwise why the debate. Of course that’s part of the disinformation to disguise the truth, the facts to bring question to them, slant them in some way for whowevers agenda and there is a lot to say about why that happens that I won’t go into here.
***

The Hereafter. Would the leaders of al Qaeda and ISIS be able to recruit as many people into their cult of death without the promise of a glorious afterlife? Surely not.

The Heaven’s Gate cult relied heavily on references to New Age science fiction.

*** Sawyers comment:
To the contrary, how many in the military of most every country feel they are honored by dying for their country and thought to be countrymen. All it took to enlist many of them was the idea and the guaranteed pay check and benefits and whatever programming they had that it was honorable. Thousands killed and murdered others in Vietnam, Iraq and Afganistan on that basis or in the case of Vietnam because othewise they would have been imprisoned as a traitor, though if your family had the money could get their offspring out of going to the fronts. Not to justify the violence of any of these, but when one is rebelling from a foreign invader who stands on the higher moral ground really, though of course the highest moral grounds would be those like Martin Luther King and Ghandi would like Jesus were willing to take the violence against them without delivering it back.
***

Whatever other motives Islamic terrorists may have for their actions, beneath them all is the same supernatural belief held by the Heaven’s Gate cult members: that they’re not really committing suicide, but simply transitioning to a better place where they will be rewarded for their actions. And just like most of us would intervene with friends or family who joined a suicide cult like Heaven’s Gate, Muslim moderates and reformers, along with religious people of all faiths, must debunk the false fact that heaven awaits those who kill themselves, especially if they take the lives of others.

*** Sawyer’s comment:

The only way I can further comment to this view is to say something Do said and that is – in all depends on whose “heaven” one is aiming for. Lots of people talk about heaven as if it’s one location while those that know their scriptures will know that there was one level of heaven that was thought of as “Abrahams Bosom” and that when Jesus said to the thief on the cross that this day (for his belief) he would be with him in “paradise” that he meant that level of heaven where his spirit or soul would be saved to for future opportunities. To others being outside the body means one is in heaven and yet that is possible but that heaven is referred to as “death” or the “spirit world” that is not automatically arriving any anything better unless the Next Level chooses to take that spirit or soul to someplace better from there.

For instance Lucifers “heaven” is called “hell” because the true meaning of hell is separation from God permenantly – no option to change because of one’s own choices not to take advanage of many option when they were provided to where one loses the perspective that there is anyplace else to go.  But the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens are desperate at this time to get off the planet as they have it from rumors and past experience that if they don’t get off the planet they will be forced underground again and even totally annialated, body and soul in hell – “lake of fire” when the Next Level is finished offering humanity this last chance to recognize their Representatives who last used the names Ti and Do.
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Michael Shermer is the Publisher of Skeptic magazine, a monthly columnist for Scientific American, and a Presidential Fellow at Chapman University. His next book is Heavens on Earth: The Scientific Quest for Immortality, the Afterlife, and Utopia. Follow him on Twitter @MichaelShermer.
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Sawyer’s Critique of Ben Zeller’s article entitled: What the Heaven’s Gate suicides say about American culture

March 25, 2017

Below is Sawyer’s critique of another article about Heaven’s Gate. The article link is at the end but here is the text with my comments embedded:

What the Heaven’s Gate suicides say about American culture

Ben Zeller, Lake Forest College Published 4:53 am, Friday, March 24, 2017

Ben Zeller, Lake Forest College

(THE CONVERSATION) Heaven’s Gate – also known as the “UFO cult” – burst into American consciousness 20 years ago this month, when, on March 26, 1997, law enforcement discovered 39 decomposing bodies in a San Diego, California mansion.

Each detail that emerged from the scene stunned a rapt public: Adherents had committed suicide in waves on March 22 and 23, ingesting a lethal mix of barbiturates and alcohol; they lay under purple shrouds, with five-dollar bills and rolls of quarters in their pockets; all wore simple dark uniforms and Nike tennis shoes.

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sawyer’s comment:

“rolls of quarters” – that’s the first time I ever heard that. It was generally $5 and quarters that was first reported though I don’t know if every member had that combo. I reported to media in 1997 that I thought it had to do with our routine to sign out $5 whenever we went out of craft (house) on a task and then signed it in when we got back. It was for minor emergencies or if we were doing an “out of craft task” (job in human world) that extended past our 3rd Experiment (dinner time) as some were computer technicians that had varied hours at times so they’d have a little something to get a sandwich or something to tide them over. Before it was $5 in the 1990’s it was quarters for use in a pay phone in the 1980’s. I am sure it wasn’t more than 4 quarters or less than 2. Then some years after 1997 I heard a report that said it was $5.75 and I related it to Mark Twain’s fare for boarding the tail of a comet to go to heaven – like a dual service joke and practicality of having a tiny amount of money in case Ti decided to take their vehicles with them, heal them of their drug induced vehicular death and use them for some task someplace else. I believed this was also the reason for each to have a travel bag packed with a change of clothes as they left no stone un-turned. Could some have had rolls of quarters? Of course. But I wonder what was in the final report. It’s not important anymore but it just adds to the confusion of the facts to see it constantly reported differently.
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Bizarre as these details may seem, if you actually look at the group’s beliefs and history, Heaven’s Gate has far more in common with American culture than you might expect.

In my book on Heaven’s Gate, I argue that the group drew from broad trends in American culture – religiosity, apocalyptic thinking and an interest in fusing science and religion.

But one theme has become even more evident since I wrote the book. The group’s embrace of conspiratorial thinking reflects a culture of conspiracy that has long existed in the margins of society – and has re-emerged at the center of American life.

At the time of the suicides, Heaven’s Gate had been in existence for over two decades.

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Sawyers comment:

The Name Heaven’s Gate wasn’t used until 1996. We used  many other names before that.

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It was founded in 1972 when two Texans, Bonnie Lu Nettles and Marshall Herff Applewhite, bonded over shared interests in alternative spiritual exploration, astrology and biblical prophecy. They came to believe that the Bible foretold an extraterrestrial rapture wherein some individuals would be saved from life on this planet and journey to what they called the “Next Level,” a physical realm in outer space where they would live as an immortal, perfected species of space aliens. They gained their first significant attention and converts in 1975 among alternative spiritual seekers in California and Oregon.

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sawyers comment:

In 88update Do says that when He and Ti met they had nothing in common but a strong love for their Heavenly Father and a sense of having something to do together so they didn’t bond over shared interests.

They never spoke in terms of a “rapture” until the 1990’s that I recall as we had no bible kinds of study before then and with TI. Then Rapture meant – leaving all behind to follow eith the Older members literally as Jesus disciples did.

“saved from life on this planet” is to me a skewed way of saying what was more the case of “graduated from the Human kingdom” – and “evolutionary step” that amounted to being saved from “death on the planet” the fate of all life forms on earth, which is also aligned with what Jesus taught.

The latest trend in these articles and book authors is to classify them as “space aliens” which is part of the Luciferian Space Alien fallen Angel misinformation, rather than distinguish them as Above Space Aliens, Beyond Human and space Aliens, Evolutionarily more advanced than space aliens as “human equivalents” and DO said that the space aliens were SOULS who propagated hybrid physical bodies and were no longer allowed to circulate very far into space now and that there were no good and bad space aliens. They were all enemies of the Next Level though some had more consciousness of the Next Level Above Human than others and were also in competition with one another over the “spoils of the planet”. See USA Today Info Ad published on May 27th 1993.
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Nettles and Applewhite drew from Christian sources, particularly prophetic and apocalyptic material. They were also inspired by the New Age movement, which emphasized meditation, diet and the channeling of spiritual beings. Like many religious people, members of Heaven’s Gate sought salvation from what they considered a corrupt world.

***** sawyers comment:
To say they were inspired by the New Age movement is misleading. The author should just read 88update for Do’s words on the subject if accuracy is most important anymore.
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After Nettles died of cancer in 1985, the group’s adherents increasingly rejected their earlier belief in what they called biological metamorphosis, wherein their human bodies would chemically transform into extraterrestrial forms. Instead, they now envisioned abandoning their human bodies on Earth and transferring their consciousnesses – through (unspecified) technological-spiritual means – into new extraterrestrial “Next Level bodies.” (This is roughly analogous to reincarnation.)

**** sawyers comment:

“group’s adherents” who left, did so for any number of reasons and I learned what their reasons were because some of them sought to return and explained why. For example Dymody, Wndody, Rkkody, Trsody, Flxody and some never returned who gave interviews – Shldody, Jssody – who I believe left because the pickup didn’t transpire when Ti and Do first indicated it would (after 5 years they regretted saying as they never knew but kept getting pressed for the answer, though that didn’t phase their core believers like myself who never cared about being picked up by a UFO to begin with.

But to say they rejected “biological metamorphosis” I doubt was on anyone’s mind as we hardly understood what that entailed anyway until the mid 1990’s and even then it wasn’t until years later after I left them that I realized what they were referring to. The Soul was a “seed” and was physical and had a biological interface inside the human container where it could grow. Upon completion it would be equivalent to when Jesus was transformed on the Transfiguration mount, when Do felt he was ready to lay that body down to heal it in 3 1/2 days as Ti agreed was a time frame for such healing to occur.
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Eventually, some members came to believe that they actually were space aliens – that they’d taken on human forms to learn about life on our planet – though this belief appears to have not been universally shared.

**** Sawyers comment:
Who said this? It wasn’t members who stayed in the classroom to their departure I can assure you but the idea probably did come from space aliens into some minds.
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It may come as a surprise that, until the suicides, Heaven’s Gate attracted little outside attention.

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Sawyers comment:

Nor did they want outside attention which is why when Ti stopped the harvest (first wave) in 1976 they went into seclusion for about 17 years as they didn’t want any further attention. When they wanted attention they got it big time – still talking about it 20 years later with new believers to degrees all the time.
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They didn’t face government persecution, angry ex-members or professional anti-cultists eager to destroy them – all of which dogged other new and alternative religions like the Peoples Temple (the group behind the Jonestown massacre) and the Branch Davidians (the targets of the Waco siege).

So what drove Heaven’s Gate to consider collective suicide?

In the final years of the group’s existence, members came to believe in an elaborate conspiracy that leading governmental, religious and economic figures had colluded with a group of demonic extraterrestrials called “the Luciferians.” According to Heaven’s Gate members, these evil forces were all working in concert to cover up the existence of UFOs, and specifically a UFO “companion” that trailed the Hale-Bopp comet, which came closest to Earth on March 22, the day the suicides began.

*** Sawyer’s comment:

We began our study of the UFO phenomena in earnest in 1987 while living on Lost Angel road up Boulder Canyon in Colorado when Do brought in copies of “UFO Crash at Aztec” and in particular made parts of the appendix and the autopsy reports required reading and the rest optional. Before then we had a few books about Roswell and Admiral Byrd’s hollow earth, if I recall correctly, but never had them as required reading and never had a discussions about them which can be seen in the audio tape records.

ALL space aliens were “demonic” – not the way they want to be labeled for public consumption of their agenda of being human saviors.
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The sort of conspiratorial thinking that Heaven’s Gate adopted was nothing new. Their belief in government conspiracies and UFOs could be traced back to popular responses to the first “flying saucer” sightings and the crash of an unknown object in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.

Religious studies scholar Joseph Laycock has written about how some aspects of the emerging UFO subculture blended scientific and supernaturalist theories, bringing together religion and conspiratorial thinking. Likewise, historian David G. Robertson has documented how UFO conspiracy theories eventually merged with New Age religious thinking to create what he calls “UFO millennial conspiracism.” Heaven’s Gate was part of those trends.

While Heaven’s Gate emerged from ufological culture, they also engaged in a long and storied pattern of conspiratorial thinking by American religious and political movements, a relationship historian Richard J. Hofstadter explored in his famous 1964 essay on the “paranoid style of American politics.”

In the 19th century, this relationship was especially pronounced in a strand of American Protestantism that envisioned an array of nefarious agents attempting to wrest American culture from the values – and control – of white, English Protestants. They initially targeted (sometimes violently) Catholic immigrants – who were neither Protestant nor English – and justified their actions with a blend of nativism and conspiratorial thinking.

And it was this sort of conspiratorial thinking that suffused American political movements, whether it was McCarthyism or the anti-Masonic movement. Hofstadter wrote that proponents of such ideas often felt “dispossessed,” that the country had been “taken away from their kind.”

Today, many fear that external agents, from Muslims to illegal immigrants, have eroded core American “Judeo-Christian” values. Perhaps as a result, we’re now witnessing rising nativism, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.

Heaven’s Gate also embraced what historian Michael Barkun calls a “culture of conspiracy,” which divides the world between evil forces secretly conspiring among one another, true believers aware of the conspiracies and the mindless masses who operate without awareness of the truth.

**** Sawyer’s comment:

Ti and Do said the Next Level had a “conspiracy” – a “need to know” policy and one of maintaining “secrecy”. This can be seen in the way the Prophet Daniel was told to “shut up the meaning of the vision” and to how John the Revelation writer was told the same thing in chapter 10, UNTIL the time of the end in Daniel’s case and in John’s until the 7th Trumpet soundings. That seventh trumpet sounding as been in progress since at least 2008 when National Geographic Magazine’s “Final Report: Heaven’s Gate” aired a documentary that posed the question in the byline and in the body of the document, via the words of Sawyer (as I had asked them to do, a miracle to have happen (because I think the Next Level wanted it to occur), “Could Heaven’s Gate have been the Second Coming?” (paraphrased) that millions would have heard – the function of a trumpet sounding of information that was to occur after the TWO and Crew had exited their incarnations.
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While Barkun focuses on the religious and cultural margins, today the same elements are arguably at work in American political discourse, whether it’s talk of secret government wiretaps, a deep state, or cover-ups within the scientific community on topics ranging from vaccines to climate change.

The adherents of Heaven’s Gate wouldn’t probably be drawn to these various political conspiracies, though they shared the belief that powerful forces colluded behind the scenes to hide the truth. In order to support their claims of the existence of extraterrestrials and UFO visitations, they embraced this conspiratorial logic.

Twenty years ago, people laughed off the conspiracy theories that consumed the group and eventual led them to “opt out” of the planet and commit suicide.

**** Sawyers comment

The conspiracies theories that abounded in the 1990’s stemming from the previous decades amounted to maybe 1% of content of the groups consideration so hardly could be said to have “consumed the group” and certainly had nothing to do with their “opt out” “suicides”. Watch the students exit videos to see what over 30 students said about their exit. Why isn’t that proof of their mindset. They were leaving because they had bonded with their Older Member, and had grown to know they were not those bodies and because most of all they loved Do wanted to follow him, be with him after their exit to take up their next tasks to have graduated their human lesson plan. Yes they saw the world as the hideous place it really is, where even most Christians are, know it or not, anti-Jesus teachings while in condemnation of what they don’t want to understand as misinformation is the rule rather than the exception.
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But what happens when political leaders embrace a similar logic?

Link to this article: http://www.lmtonline.com/news/article/What-the-Heaven-s-Gate-suicides-say-about-11024924.php

This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article here: http://theconversation.com/what-the-heavens-gate-suicides-say-about-american-culture-74343.

Was Reliance on Ti (Father) and Do (Jesus) a human attachment?

November 10, 2016

question to sawyer:

don’t you have a humanly attachment to Ti and Do>? The relationship that you and the others shared with the “father” and the “jesus” were markedly human in it’s reliance and strong attachment to them. How is this above human>?

Sawyers response:

If any student did have a human attachment to Ti and Do, for instance attracted to their physical vehicle, would be an example they would have had to overcome it. Ti and Do did nothing to foster such. Another human way would be, to be “friends” or “confidants” and Ti and Do would have none of that. We were also prohibited from having either of those forms of attachment to one another. If we did, we had to overcome it. We acted towards one another as crewmembers and towards Ti and Do as an admiral and captain – strictly business, though that doesn’t mean we didn’t laugh together but not in human ways, unless a student did so in a human way that then they would find out needed to be overcome. Overcoming has to do with recognizing behavior and ways that are human including thoughts and not acting them out or allowing ourselves to entertain them in our minds. The attachment we were fostering was one of Mind – Love of their Mind – the things they said, the way the acted, their character, their choices, their ideas. We had pleasure but it needed to be a pleasure instigated by Ti and/or Do.

For instance one time we had a large property we were leasing and it had a 1/8 mile track to run on. And another time we had a volley ball court. Another time, even several we had outdoor build in swimming pools and one time an indoor build in swimming pool. Another time we had an indoor squash court. Other times tennis courts. We had a music listening option at times. We went on outings – to the zoo or to a restaurant occassionally or to the movies somewhat regularily like once every two weeks or so. We had an exercise room, and took walks for heath when we lived in more rural settings. We  had a small lake and had a little row boat people could paddle around in. We had puppies once. We had birds on several occasions. We had a christmas celebration on two of 19 years. We experimented with a tiny bit of wine one of those christmas parties. We bought gifts for the group, not for one another and had a tree even. Now with all these things we had instructions on how to use them. Sometimes just a simple instruction that we could use it and they they’d get reports about how some were using it and they’d then show us how a Next Level Member would do it. Sometimes such would be discontinued because one or two couldn’t not play in a human way. For example – volley ball – some of the males got into spikeing the ball. Ti and Do said a Next Level member wouldn’t try to make someoine miss. They would try to see how long they could keep the ball in the air between the two  sides rather than try to make someone miss. Next Level membres are not competitive at all.

It’s human to be competitive. But we wouldn’t have known what was or wasnt’ behavior in the NextLevel until they told us just like they told the children of israel not to kill and steal and covet what others have, etc. as a toddler level lesson plan. And those with Jesus would not have known the updated lesson to not even judge someone as breaking a moses law as with the prostitute caught in the ack as it says. That is the process of bringing a soul and the genetic vehicles they occupy and try to take over through the lesson steps that are actually like trimesters in a birth. If you have some examples of what you think were human attachments to Ti and Do run it by me and I’ll do my best to show what was happening.

But as said to overcome it meant to “change our mind”  constantly, and the meaning of “repentance” to take in Their Mind to replace our old misinformation mind with. When it comes from our Older Members no matter what they give us, it’s is “consuming” their Mind. They are the bread to feed our soul with. One time Do shaved his head and a few students wanted to do the same and Do apprecieated that but said that wasn’t needed to mimic – especially for that time when many of us had jobs in the world or were seen by humans when we weren’t so bold about being monks – as we were often living in neighborhoods where we would have been run out if they others there learned we were a “cult” or suspected such – which did happen a time or two, but the point was that we didnt’ need to duplicate eveything Do did in that way.

For another instance Do was primarily left handed and some wanted to try to be left handed when holding a fork, etc. In that case Do said they could try it but it wasn’t an instruction so if we didn’t do it, it wasn’t counted as something we were rebelling from doing. It’s not this way in the Next Level in their spacecrafts, or in their laboratories, inside planets and such. We are not watched all the time. These things were just for the training program as those who cling to their old ways are showing rebelliousness to adopting the new ways which means they don’t really recognize who Ti and Do are. We have not yet grown to see their Mind through their vehicle – not literally see their Mind but recognizing it having had a previous relationshiop with them for even millenium, though not all in the classroom had necessarily had the same previous relationship. (That doesn’t matter anyone as no one is held to what they were or should think they have a greater stature because of what/who they were. Do hated that bumper sticker that said jesus was the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, because that like saying he didn’t grow into more than he was before and growth is constant for those who want to grow and that continues in the Next Level.)

re: reliance:

Humans were also beign taught to form a reliance on, for instance their human father and mother – Honor them, which I believe means respect them and what they say, look up to them. Everything in the human kingdom is set up to be a stepping stone into the NextLevel behavior and ways. That’s why Jesus started talkign about God Diety, Jehovah more in terms of his being our Father – the greek word Pater or Hebrew word Abba to equate with that commandment to honor our father and our mother.

We were out growing self reliance. jesus taught that too when he said to be his disciple one had to “deny self”. Also the Lords prayer said one wanted to have the Father’s “will” for them. Jesus relied upon his Father entirely. He said he had said everything to his students his Father had given him to say. He said he layed down his life for his Father, on his Father’s instuctions he received the timing to enact when he went up the mountain with james and john and peter and they called it a transfiguration that Do said he thought was when he had “changed over” his vehicle into a next level vehicle (inside) – the metamorphosis had completed enough to where his “soul body” was viable – another topic.

Mose also taught losing self reliance that Jesus also repeated saying one must give all their heart (blood, love, emotions, passions) all their Mind (thoughts, understanding, feeling, desires) all their  soul (breath, spirit, LIFE, thirst, aspirations, inspiration, imagination) and all our strength, though when the Older Member isnt’ incarnate and we hadn’t had a genuine personal relationship wit that present Older Member the next greatest instruction was to “love one’s neighbor as themselves” and neighbor was every fellow human and love was a brotherly or sisterly love – which in so doing was pleasing the Next Level Older Members and showing we were meeting their qualifications for graduation so that we  would give our all to them when we are brought back to take over a new human vehicle prepared for us when the Older Member is incarnate again so we can have that personal relationship to give our ALL.

Critique of “thenextweb” 2015 article on Heaven’s Gate

August 5, 2016

Below the link is my critique of an article about Heaven’s Gate that included comments from the current Heavensgate.com webmasters I call M & S:

(Before I start…there is an ongoing theme I keep hearing from even would be believers in Ti and Do that says – there is no classroom anymore so nothing to join and thereby nothing to do as we will just have to wait to reincarnate when a REP is incarnate again. This is a HUGE programming against the Next Level that is a Luciferian Space Alien agenda to promote and instill in even those who are most in line to become new prospective Members of the Next Level. People are blinded in many ways and this is just one more that M (and I presume S) are promoting in most every interview I hear that they gave, (along with other things that are against what Ti and Do taught, like saying there is no Heaven and no Hell for instance). It is so abundantly clear to me that all of us must “stand in defense of and for Ti and Do and maintain that stand until our exit of our vehicle” as the overall minimum requirement to be included in the group of Souls who are taken off the earth when the rest are recycled. The maximum giving will be to seperate from all our humanness, adopt all the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught and stand for Ti and Do despite the consequences. Those when they are taken off the planet it seems from prophecy get awarded with what I think would be a student level Next Level made physical vehicle and service for continued lessons until they are given the chance to graduate to an adult Next Level vehicle.

Yes, every indication is that, this will be in affect for even 1000 earth years after it’s DONE – which may be only a decade or two away, so it would seem some Souls may be given some lessons in new human vehicles during that 1000 years as part of their service/lessons and may have some interaction with Next Level Older Membes Ti and/or Do. I say this because of the Revelations Prophecies and from everything Do and Ti and Jesus and Moses said and did. For every point mentioned here there are at least three direct depictions in the Book of Revelations that Ti and Do said in 1974-6, via the document they wrote and had published as part the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary, though have also been given by Do (and Ti) in little clues throughout their years incarnate.

Anyone who indicates there is nothing to do going forward, but perhaps make Ti and Do’s records into a study is participating knowingly or not in a Luciferian space alien misinformation campaign intending to even agree with most everything except seeking to connect with Ti and Do to ask to make application to be in their service and to hit the deck running to start our own forward motion in that service.)

The curious online afterlife of a 20th century suicide cult

1) It was reported that M and S (current names I use for the webmasters of heavensgate.com) said in this article:
“A recent book on this subject, ‘Heaven’s Gate – America’s UFO Religion’ by Benjamin Zeller has been the best work we have seen so far.”

-Sawyer’s comment:
I don’t know why zellers book is the best work they have seen. He sent me an early draft looking for my input and I gave him a great deal and I’ve read parts of the new book and it’s too hard to wade through and is pretty much a carbon copy of Robert Balch’s hypothesis which is far afield and full of misinformation, insults and the like from a so called academic. Even calling Heavens Gate a “ufo religion” I suspect would make Ti and Do and crew gag considering they said that “religions are the number one killers of souls”.

2) It was reported that Jacques Vallee in Messengers of Deception said,
In November it was discovered that the two people who claimed to be the leaders of that outer-space organization were in fact quite ordinary humans: M.H. Applewhite, 43, born in Spur, Texas, a musician and opera singer, the son of Presbyterian minister; and Bonnie Nettles, age 48, a nurse who met him in Houston in the early ‘70s while he was recovering from a mental breakdown. They had first created meditation centres, then about 1973 they began recruiting for H.I.M.

-Sawyers comment:
There is no evidence I have heard of or seen that their first meeting was in a hospital Do was a patient in. Do had every reason to tell the truth about this and told us many times how He and Ti (Bonnie met), which Ti was present for and agreed was in the hospital where Ti worked as a premie baby nurse but on that time of meeting had agreed to substitute for another nurse in a different ward (that was not stated by Do or Ti). Do was with a friend and wrote in the document “88 Update, the UFO TWO and Their Crew”, available on heavensgate.com and on my blog at: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/88-update-the-ufocloud-of-light-two-tifather-and-dojesus-and-their-crew-not-space-aliens-or-discarnate-spirits-or-luciferians/ that he was at the hospital visting a “male friend”. This is when Do first told us, the student body that he had been living a homosexual lifestyle before he awakened. He also told us at that time that he was unhappy with the fact that he wasn’t finding a partner who wanted a committed relationship. Ti told is before this time that Do’s task differed from Jesus task in that he needed to take a vehicle that would get into most all things the vehicles the students would take might get into so he could relate to them what it takes to overcome those human characteristics, such as sexuality. Do said that Ti started a conversation about astrology asking what sign Do was. Do had been interested in astrology so showed interest.

One could research whether or not the ward with the “sick friend” was a mental ward like perhaps due to someone who tried to commit suicide for instance or for someone who had a mental breakdown. I don’t know if that is how that story got started. I’m not saying Do never checked himself into a facility or if he ever had a mental breakdown in his past. It’s possible. I know he indicated he was an alchohol user but I don’t know to what degree. I know he and Ti were quite straight laced and said they did no recreational drugs. And I know he did mingle in Houston high society and was divorced. But Terrie Nettles (Ti’s vehicle’s daughter) didn’t seem to know of this hospital meeting so thought they first met at a voice lesson Do was giving that Ti brought one of her daughters to that may have been Terrie.

Note that Vallee didn’t seem to know that they never wanted followers or students. Do wrote in 88update that when they learned that about a dozen wanted to follow them it was an “unwelcomed surprise” as they thought they would just share their message and move on. Vallee might not know about those they turned away as was reported in Brad Steiger’s book, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” and in 1976 how they sent 19 of their followers away from the larger group and Ti then told us who remained, “you made the first cut” as they didn’t think the 19 were ready though a number of years later after this other groups reincorporated back into the world, one in particular had been looking for the group and just so happened to walk into a hospital where a student was working in Amarillo, Texas and recognized her. That was the student named Drrody – Durable + “ody”. Nrrody was working in the Amarillo hospital at that time. By the way I took a lot of time and answered all of Zellers questions for his book and he used next to nothing and nothing changed much of his opinions that sided 100% with Robert Balch whom I also met with and edited a chapter for his book while I was in the group and we had started the second period of public meetings after 17 years of no meetings.

There are many stories of how Ti and Do said and did things that student found challenging so because of chose to leave the group. Do even offerred $2000.00 to any student who wasn’t leaving because they were afraid of the challenge of getting re-started in the world. Do only wanted students who wanted to give their all towards overcoming all of their human characteristics and to serve the Next Level through he and Ti’s instructions.

Thus their recruitment efforts were very successful, except it wasn’t about gaining great numbers. They came to know they would only have a small group of students and it ended up being 24 at one point before the second public meetings but ended at 38+4 which being 42 is in line with Rev 11:2 where “months” is equally translated to “affirmations from that 3 1/2 years time of their Prophecy period a way to make two statements in one.

3) It was reported that Zeller explained:
“The basic theology of Heaven’s Gate was that life on earth was relatively unimportant compared to life in the heavens, which should be our ultimate goal. Put that way, that’s what most Christians believe, particularly evangelical protestants who are a major force in America”.

-Sawyers comment:
To the contrary, Life on Earth was very important to having Life in the heavens as the human evolutionary kingdom was created to be a stepping stone into the Evolutionary Level Above Human. Nor “should it be” the ultimate goal of every human, becaues the Next Level doesn’t give all humans the chance at the same time and in the same ways if at all to make application to membership in the Kingdom in the literal heavens (outer space). That’s why it was compared to a “garden” where there are certain plantings in certain areas at different times and nutured in different ways pertaining to how the plants are growing. So the Moses classroom then became the “plants” with “seeded deposits (souls)” the Next Level chose to work with. But the product is not the physical vehicles. The product is the Soul that becomes filled with degrees of Mind/Spirit that if brought to “spirit birth” as Jesus said would reward them with a New “made” Next Level body that is no longer mammalian and service on board spacecrafts as big as planets, seen or not to cultivate new “gardens” as the way they gain new members. They don’t need new members. It’s simply their joy to offer what they know they have that is so “Beyond Human”.

4) It was reported re: Rob Balch’s forward to Zeller’s book claiming they were disorganized in 1975 when Balch and Taylor infiltrated the group:
“One potential reason for the group’s disorganized state at that time was that Do ended up in prison. In August 1974, he was arrested for failing to return a rental car and jailed for six months. It was during his period that he began to shift his theological thinking towards extraterrestrial life.”

-Sawyers comment:
There is little truth to this. Yes he spent 6 months in prison that stemmed from his keeping a rental car too long. The rental car company dropped the charges as soon as they got the car back but the St. Louis prosecutor, Do reported in 88Update was trying to make points and knew Do was an easy target because of his wild story of being from outer space and Do gave him a strange Tibetan name Nor Bu Young had just given he and Ti as this was in 1974 over a year before Rob Balch infiltrated so how can the two be linked. Ti and Do began to awaken to both being from “outer space” while in Boerne, Texas for less than 6 weeks where they also then realized they, their Minds/souls had been sent to “bring updates to the bible” and “fulfill prophecy”.

5) It was reported that:
“Throughout 1975, Do and Ti began to gather followers. During this time they were using the “Bo” and “Peep” monikers and arranged at least two public events to wait for the arrival of UFOs. When a spaceship failed to land at a gathering in Waldport, Oregon, the group still gained 30 new followers.”

-Sawyers comment:
There were a total of two times we planned for a pickup event. The first was in 1980 when we were camped at “The Cave without a Name” tourist site in Boerne, Texas and yes there was no pickup and Ti told Do from that, that Do told us about after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 (since she scheduled it) that she felt like she had “egg on her face” but it didn’t change her direction and knowing who she was. And it didn’t phase their fully dedicated students either, as I was one it didn’t phase, but for those on the fence it was the reason at least one left the group thereafter. Her name was Jssody. The second event was in 1992 while camping on the BLM lands west of Phoenix that Do being without Ti’s physical presence felt he had instruction from Ti to instigate (though instructions were not that easy to know were instructions so in a sense it was  a trial and error situation. This was not at all the way the schedule to lay down their lives occurred. That took years of examination of every detail and every student that I was present for and was an Overseer so was privey to things others weren’t always privey to (though not much really, but just some insights perhaps of how Do’s mind worked, though still did not make me able to second guess him). Thus since Waldport happened in September of 1975 these are totally unrelated. The 30 new followers came as a result mostly of the 1994 public meetings and many of those ended up leaving as well.

6) It was reported that:
“They then settled on a nomadic lifestyle moving across the United States. In April 1976, Ti announced that the group would no longer hold public meetings and its membership dropped dramatically – from more than 100 to around two dozen.”

-Sawyers comment:
Ti did annouce on April 21, 1976 that the “harvest is closed” and had us just finish up the existing meeting schedule by mid June and there were “about 100” students at that time but it took the next 17 years for the numbers to drop to “around two dozen”. (Note the 24 Elders in the Book of Revelations).

7) It was reported that:
“In 1985, the mass suicide was still 12 years away, but death touched the group significantly. After two years suffering with cancer, Ti died. Do told his followers that she had gone to ‘the Next Level’ because she contained too much energy to remain on Earth, and had abandoned her Earthly vessel for the journey.”

-Sawyers comment:
Do simply said Ti “burnt out her vehicle” dealing with the negativity she was the biggest recipient of as she was the Older Member of Do, so like the grandfather to the student body and when students were having doubts those thoughts went to both she and Do and when members of the human families of students felt anxiety and condemnation of the students teachers the discarnates would attack her (and Do). Ti was depicted in Revelations Chapter 12 as the “woman” and this is shown by the Dragon (the Luciferian space alien souls, even Lucifer in particular as one of those souls) sending out a flood against her. She is saved from it by the “earth opening it’s mouth” to swallow the flood. That’s an expression of someone going into the grave even found in a Crosby Stills Nash and Young song. So her early exit was planned ahead.

8) It was reported that:
“Following the loss of his companion – the pair were not lovers – Do began to adjust and evolve the theology of what would come to be renamed Heaven’s Gate. He decided that Ti’s consciousness had been conveyed to a spaceship when it had left her body. Previously the group’s teachings had focused on actual physical ascension, but Ti’s passing had made that belief untenable.”

-Sawyers comment:
The Heaven’s Gate name came about after I left which was after September of 1994. Ti left in 1985. We had a number of names as we explored different public approaches, Do feeling there was to be another public offerring of the infomation that was more straight forward that Do was the return of the same Soul who had been incarnate in the vehicle named “jesus”. See Do’s article, “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Final Departure” written in 1995 and posted to 90 somthing usenet groups. (I say this was the 6th of 7 “thunders” (roars) listed in Revelations chapter 10.

That belief that they could all be taken with their physical bodies was never “untenable” though I admit Ti’s exit did reveal their exit would not necessarily be with their physical bodies. This is shown in the document I’ve already noted, “Undercover “Jesus”…” showing that in 1995 they still thought it possible they could be taken without “laying down their bodies” in the way they did by their own hands.

9) It was reported that:
“Do believed once the group had reached ‘Evolutionary Level Above Human – the Next Level’ they would be able to leave their physical ‘vessels’ and be transported to heaven – a literal planet – on a spaceship controlled by extraterrestrials. One of those beings was Jesus. In Do’s doctrine, Jesus was a gateway to heaven, but on his first visit to Earth found humanity to be unready for ascension.”

-Sawyers comment:
This is very convoluted to say the least. To put it simply, Do believed if they exited by leaving their human vehicles behind their Soul bodies which are invisible to humans that would not have died would be met by Next Level members who were invisible to humans and they would board an invisible space craft sent to receive them. Yes one could call that spacecraft “heaven” because at that point one is in the keeping of the Kingdom of Heaven, but where they would go from there was never spelled out while I was there nor in any of the information they left behind that I have found. However, Ti and Do did say they were from “headquarters” and that some might be assigned to work in headquarters and there was some implication that headquarters was locally inside the planet Pluto. Ti and Do instigated a movie script that they said was “science fiction based on the truth” in which Pluto as a huge spacecraft that housed a “earth lab” with a scaled replica of the earth through which Next Level crewmembers could observe and perhaps communicate with any part of earth or earthling.

Yes Members of the Next Level were “extraterrestrial” but didn’t look like the aliens we see mostly in hollywood movies – that look grotesque or like insects, etc. They have very delicate shapes and features that they designed humans to resemble in likeness though have a slightly larger head, small lips if they even have lips, depending on the type of vehicle designed for each members as members keep on graduating to new model vehicles or vehicles for differnet tasks.

Ti said Do was the same soul who started in the task of Adam, then Enoch, then Moses, then Elijah and then Jesus. But yes Jesus was the gateway 2000 years ago, both him as a person in that vehicle he took over and related to his student body through and by his teachings of the requirements of seperating from our human roots and human mammalian behaviors and ways, such as sexuality. But to date, Do then became the “currently present” Representative. If we don’t please Do and Ti then they are not going to want to have us on their crew on board a spacecraft doing tasks for them. Ti assigned Do the task of birthing the student body completly though she came to help get him started, thus He is this civilizations current and only GATE into Heaven which is 100% consistant with everything Jesus represented.

10) It was reported that Zeller said re: Hale Bopps reported “companion object”:
“…claims about a mysterious object, a ‘companion’, following the comet that seemed to move unnaturally and even influence the movements of the comet became the focus of the group. While these claims would later be debunked, and the members of Heaven’s Gate ultimately indicated that the nature of the mysterious object was in fact irrelevant, the interest in the companion and the comet among members of the fringe and conspiracy-orientated alternative media attracted the attention and interest of the group’s adherents.”

-Sawyers comment:
There is a great deal to say about what Zeller so easily just says were “debunked” that even scientists who are still engaged in trying to understand would not be so blatently challenging. For instance in one NASA forum on Hale Bopp, the concensus is that what we are calling Hale Bopp was actually two object in orbit around one another – spoken of as having a double nucleus that is not understood how is possible. Since that time there have been so many events in the heavens that have put current science on it’s ear, so to speak that to say with any certainty what is not possible is ignorance.

11) It was reported that:
“If it happened today, the mass suicide of Heaven’s Gate members who be the stuff of memes in the darkest corners of the internet. The details were precise – black uniforms with matching “Away Team” patches, new white Nikes, purple shrouds. Each member with rolls of quarters and five dollar bills in their pockets, and duffle bags beside them”.

-Sawyers comment:
It was “three quarters” not rolls and that added up to $5.75 which is what Mark Twain said was the cost to ride the tail of a comet to heaven.
I didn’t know this when I was first interviewed by Zeller and others before him, though I did update him I believe before his book went to print. I don’t recall whether he mentions the Mark Twain “coincidence”.

12) It was reported that:
Though they are the only ex-Heaven’s Gate members in control of the group’s legacy and archives, there are other former adherents.
One, Rio DiAngelo wrote a book about his experience. Another, Sawyer, has a frequently updated blog, and often appears in the comments of articles and YouTube videos about the group.

The response from the Heaven Gate’s website admins gives a hint at the underlying tension between them and other ex-members. When I asked them about Sawyer, they replied:

“ There is one other person who was in the group who writes a blog but the group did not give him any instructions when they left and he hasn’t been in the loop of what is currently going on with their information. Simply said, he is doing his own thing.

Zeller told me:

“ There’s a lot of discussion about whether people should add to and explain the group or just let it be over. There’s a lot of debate over who owns the copyrights.

-Sawyers response:
The webmasters who I refer to as M and S, are wrong about who received instructions when they left, though I know it requires looking at all Do and crew said to M & S AND in their general and specific teachings of how to align with them, in this case “after” their exit. In the letters that M & S received, which I have there was a statement that was talking about the money they left behind, or that came from the sale of certain items and how they hoped it would be split up between “anyone who wants to participate in this project” (of disseminating their information and giving people who want to know the ability to know more about them – in depth, which was the reason they left the 484 or so audio tapes behind. Here are two actual quotes from one of the 5 letters sent to M & S in their FedX packet:

-“We put into storage items that we would prefer the authorities not have access to. You can do with those items whatever feels right to you. The only exception to this is some exercise equipment which belongs to our landlord, Sam, and we suspect he will want at some point.”

Still talking about the content of the storage that included a truck they suggested be used to load up the contents of one of the storage rooms:

-“Pursers have included an additional document as part of this packet that further covers the disposition of our cars and this truck. So we ask that you refer to that document for details. It is out desire that any items of value that are retrievable by you be divided among those who feel inclined to disseminate our information.  Any of the funds you retrieve can be used towards that end and for the living expenses of those involving themselves in this project.”

The items of value that are retrievable is referring to the content of the storage room that included stacked up in the very front of the storage room the cases of about 484 audio tapes. To not consider them the most valuble items in storage is blatently ignoring what was important to Ti and Do and crew but that is a choice to recognize but there are a number of other things said in these letters to give that impression.

However, one might wonder, why Do and Crew went to such a meticulous effort to cover their bases with providing their information to multiple former classmembers, backup webmasters and providers (Rkkody and Romania and an Atlanta couple) and sent the Beyond Human master video tapes to Jhnody in Venezuala (not to M & S) and sent Rkkody master exit video’s and CNN exit videos and other master materials to Rio and Flxody/Ablody but didn’t treat the 484 audio tapes with that same kind of planning.

From a human perspective it doesn’t make any sense or looks like an oversight. They could have easily bundled them up to spread them out among these believers who had dropped out of the class for their own reasons. Actually I was still in the class when we began transcribing these audio tapes but that effort was put on a back burner by 1994. The non-human explanation that I believe to be the most likley reason(s) for the way Do and Crew handled those tapes, was that this was the instruction Do got from Ti (who was outside her vehicle by then). The way he received instructions was often by asking specific questions and then seeing what ideas he got after that. I witnessed a great deal of how this worked. I never heard Do say Ti visited him in a physical way after her exit of her vehicle. (though Rio reported in his book that when they were in the Tucson, AZ area (around 1996 I think it was), 6 members of the class had an experience one night (3 in a dream, one of which was Rio and 3 reported the same thing but not in a dream) where they were visited by what Rio described as “six year old, hairless, little boys. Glowing like white phosphorescence with a blue tint and wore one piece, form fitting outfits, like Olympic speed skaters.”

However, when idea’s came they were like if someone told you something your mother or father or someone close to you had said, you knowing them might have a sense of whether or not that was something they would have said. I know this because while in the class, Do told the student body they could talk directly to Ti. (Ti had instructed us while incarnate to direct our committment to Do, though while incarnate when we had questions we treated them as a team). And he said with that we could report to him if we feel we get a response. I did talk to Ti and asked her a question and heard in my head a subtle idea/voice with a specific answer. I don’t actually remember what I asked and what the response was, but I reported it to Do and Do said to me, “sounds like something Ti might say”. Recognizing their Mind, though we shouldn’t get overconfident in non-physical forms of communication, like in Dreams, for instance is part of bonding with them and is as much a bond, even moreso potentially as between any humans who grow to know others and how they think/feel about things.

So, sometimes it’s that simple but the ramifications are enormous as in this case, Do not spelling out exactly what was to be done with the tapes ended up setting up a huge test criteria for all who came after, by informing what their intention was and then allowing the recipients, in this case M & S to choose to abide by their intention and to what degree or not.

Therefore my point is that there is a huge amount of evidence that ANYONE WHO WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECT OF DISSEMINATING THEIR INFORMATION WAS CONSIDERED TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHERS REGARDLESS OF WHO RECEIVED WHAT INSTRUCTIONS. We all dropped out because of our own weaknesses to overcome aspects of our humanness, but if we choose to still make application to be in Ti and Do’s service the opportunity is still available by our asking and showing by our actions.

In regard to the second part of M & S’s statement about me: “and he hasn’t been in the loop of what is currently going on with their information”.

What loop is that exactly? If they determine they are the sole guardians of the information, they are being deceitful as even in these few quotes I provided from the letters it’s clear they wanted ANYONE who desired to help with the project to receive help in funds, automobile etc. How does that mean one has to be in M & S’s loop on what’s going on with Ti and Do and Crews Information?

In the human way of looking at it all it makes perfect sense. To be in their loop would be to work with and for M & S in the ways they have organized that was given to them as a task to get started on but since have tried to take over all dissemination and even surpress dissemination by going after anyone who distributed information on their own as there is a great deal of evidence of. Remember, Do and Crew didn’t actually give them the masters of the Beyond Human video tapes and gave no instructions to have them copyrighted but they it seems convinced Jhnody to give them those masters that they have since copyrighted I believe. So they have been hard at trying to be the holders of all the information which by the way is the same way the Vatican Holy See in all it’s corruption did the same with the manuscripts of writings about Jesus and the Dead Sea scrolls, etc. limiting access to their inner circle and deciding which materials could be seen by the public.

M & S for years would not even provide myself and Crlody with the audio tapes. However, Rkkody did send me a cd with about half of the tapes he digitized and Carlan posted them on a sharing site and we both send them to anyone who wants them for free while M & S have finally put them up for sale on Heavensgate.com.

They are the webmasters and they got the instructions to make some choices but in Do’s mind like I’ve proven by the letter segments above, it’s up to each individual who is “in the loop” and has nothing at all to do with adhering to what M & S say and do. They are not Older Members from the Next Level with that authority. In the human world they have some authority for the time being.

But I do agree with M & S’s statement that sawyer is “doing his own thing”, at least from their perspective but what they don’t know is how much of “that own thing” is something Ti and Do approve of or even have tasked me to do, because if one believes in Ti and Do and who they were/are – the return of the Father and the one who was incarnate in the vehicle named, “Jesus”, with the hundreds of scriptural evidence of that, that I have ammassed, then their “project” is not at all done though it will quickly be done, but when it’s done we won’t be able to talk about it anymore in this way so there won’t be much question that it’s done. I can espound on that a great deal if anyone wants me to.

By the way, the gate is Do and Do did not close the gate. He said it would be open for a short time but remember to the Next Level 1000 years in human time is like 1 day so a short time is relative to what Ti and Do determine in the timing of when the gate is closed.

Q and A – Did Ti and Do (Heaven’s Gate founders) feel emotions?

May 27, 2016

Here are some questions I was asked on this blog, followed by my reply that has mainly to do with Ti and Do’s show of emotion:

Questions:

“Hello, I know you don’t know me and I’m a random stranger but If im not mistaken you were part of the heavens gate group for a long time and I have a few questions about Do(Marshall Applewhite) and the group. Some people believe that Marshall didn’t feel any emotions, and he didn’t care about his classroom or his students. During the time you with him, did he ever show any degree of emotion? And this may be personal but when Ti(Bonnie Nettles) from cancer, was Marshall devastated, did you see him cry? Or emotionally distraught? Second, I’ve studied and researched about the heavens gate group for a good while and I’ve come to notice that Marshall seemed to dislike the world, hated it. Why? Was it because people were cruel to one another and such? And lastly, during the time you were in the group, how were the other members like? From what I’ve heard they seemed pretty nice and good honest people looking for a meaning to life. Oh and one last question, Was Doh, controlling of you guys or was he laid back type of person? Thank you for your time”

Sawyer’s response:

Yes, we all showed emotion. However, we were to control our emotions – self-control, whether anger or happiness but it’s not like it was laid out in a measured way. For instance an angry outburst would have certainly been a slippage but there was no prescribed punishment except for acknowledging our slippage before the group of other students in a “slippage meeting” (that was a little embarrassing) and including a “remedy” to have better control in the future. If we watched something on television or went to a movie and something was funny we laughed but if our laughter was bursting at the seams, rolling on the floor that probably would have been brought up at a meeting as out of control. It certainly would not be wrong for someone not trying to overcome their humanness in Ti and Do’s program to roll on the floor. After all this was voluntary and not coerced and no one was lured or manipulated (though of course there are those who would say it was manipulation to think Ti and Do were from the Kingdom of Heaven in outer space, their souls that is) but for all practical vantage points day-to-day participation was completely voluntary which shows in the amount of people who said they believed but over the years drifted off or were coaxed to leave by Do or were instructed to leave by Do or were sent to a half way house type of arrangement to get better control or sent to be with their human families again that turned into a type of lure back into the world. However, they made no bones about leaving the classroom as being a failure to complete one’s “task” to get control over one’s vehicle to graduate the human kingdom. It just wasn’t drilled into us or used as leverage to guilt us into staying. We did have to measure up to stay.

Yes, I saw Do shed tears on a number of occasions. I also saw Ti shed tears on a couple of occasions. One of those occasions was related to Ti’s exit of her vehicle. Do certainly was distraught. He certainly depended on Ti and loved her, though it was never anything physical or human – He loved her Mind. He told us he gave Ti a hard time for the first year or so as it took being together day and night traveling around the country trying to figure out what their task was exactly – what were the updates to the bible they knew their Minds were sent to bring and what were the prophecies they were sent to fulfill. Ti never told Do she was his “Older Member” (heavenly Father). He came to know it because of how Ti thought and the choices she made that summed up the options more quickly and more accurately, where Do felt he needed to try things Ti knew would not pan out to their task needs.

Crying as in sobbing was considered to be giving into that form of sensuality. Even jumping up and down at that sight of a beautiful sunset would have been giving into that form of sensuality. All pleasure was not prohibited. It simply needed to be a “pleasure” They provided, such as a nice dessert or some type of sport exercise – we had a track to run on at one of our “crafts” in south Austin and had an indoor racquetball court in another in Paradise Valley and an indoor pool in texas and others with outdoor pools, though in each there were “procedures” on how to use them and how often and became lesson opportunities on how to enjoy them “in the way a member of the Next Level would do”.

I can’t speak to exactly how Do thought about the “world” before he was awakened by and with Ti, except that he, his vehicle (that was prepared for his incarnation (taking over for his Next Level task) dropped out of seminary because they were too restrictive of what to study and consider. At another time he said when he would go to the hollywood styled parties in Houston, as he was a popular lead role opera singer in the Houston opera and a teacher of music and voice at St. Thomas University, when they would serve shrimp cocktail, the first time he had it, he went to the bathroom and threw up but then forced himself to eat it because it was expected. Just a tiny example.

He was unhappy with relationships, in the last year before awakening was turning anti-sexual, though had been in relationship with men (I don’t know how many) but that he wanted a “committed relationship” he was not finding in his high society involvements.

I know the rumors that he was so distraught over his sexuality that he allegedly checked into a mental facility as well as the rumors Ti wanted a physical relationship with him and that he went off the deep end when Ti left which then became the consideration of “suicide” which there is considerable evidence is all mis/dis-information. Do set that record straight in his booklet entitled, “’88 update – The UFO Two and Crew”. Ti never made any advances to him and he said though he wondered at first if she was trying to pick him up, he said he had no physical attraction to Ti’s vehicle and “wouldn’t dirty his mouth on Ti’s mouth” – or anyone’s mouth for that matter.

Do did kiss his students on the forehead or cheek a time or two, one time publicly in a type of marriage ceremony where students went up to him one by one and he was weepy during. He kissed me in this way on a couple of times when he was meeting with the student body individually in private that included his touching my head/face and speaking affectionately with zero touching or kissing or hugging any more than that.

Of course critics would guess he did more than that with some but there is zero evidence of that and there have been many dropouts who were drilled by media over the years before their exit and since their exit of their incarnations.

It was Ti that told the class we needed to give Them our will. And it was Ti that instructed us to make our “committal” to Do – doing so in writing though Do knew he needed to accept that position of being the focus of every students total love as Jesus said was the “first commandment” – to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength – the reason Jesus students needed to “deny self” (give their will over to their Older Member’s will for them), “take up their cross” (give their lives up in service) and “follow me” – (literally leave one’s human attachments behind to be with Jesus and abide by all his teachings during and after his exit).

There was always plenty of laughter and lightheartedness and even a time or two of outright silliness while times also of knowing that we missed the mark, got off track, disappointed them, needed to work harder on our lessons. We were certainly prodded in that way. They were not permissive of human behavior. There was no gossip or chit chatting or “familiarity” with fellow students or with Ti and Do though over the years some of what would have been called chit chat relaxed some as the student body had matured so had a sense of where to draw the lines. No chummyness. though partners were to commit themselves to helping their partners with their overcoming.

We even once had a type of marriage ceremony between assigned “partners” where we each vowed to the other our committment to help them in their overcoming of humanness and service to Ti and Do. My partner was Chkody (check-ody) a soul who had a female vehicle that actually challenged me because of my vehicle having an attraction to her vehicle (though I never permitted any kind of fantasy of being with her). However, it was difficult for me to deal with and I did tend to treat her differently because of the vehicles attraction, which was part of what I needed to overcome.

Neither Ti and Do were “laid back”, though there were certainly many times when we enjoyed a meal together or went on an outing together or watched television together. Part of our lessons were to maintain a “pleasant countenance” and not give into tiredness, maintain good posture, cleanliness, soft spoken, whispering or silent times, gentle actions whether walking or in the closing of doors – like one would imagine in a monastery without getting into a spiritual or religious dogma or holiness self grandizing, or artificial “worshipping” vibration. (That’s really very controlled as is in the many does and don’ts in society, business and politics.

We had music at times and did choral singing of christmas carols several years in a row before Ti exited. By the way, Do said Ti “burnt out her vehicle” dealing with the negativity from the many “influences” (discarnates) who attacked her especially since she was the Oldest Member incarnate. Ti and Do both took on the students influences and at times ran them off so we could have a better chance of seeing clearly.

Do did indicate he used alcohol while in the world. One time during the christmas before Ti exited we had a christmas tree and a party and we each had about a half ounce of wine in a shot glass. Do said afterwards that he didn’t like the way it affected his consciousness so would not be doing that again.

That year we were each given some money and went shopping to buy gifts for the “craft” not for one another, though some students organized the purchase of some gifts for Ti and Do. Even though it wasn’t procedure to do that, it was “taking a chance on a positive” and Ti and Do were never without consideration of the moment and the good intentions of the students as opposed to sticking to the letter of the “law”, though that could certainly have a breaking point. For instance any hint of sexuality would have been against their lessons to be permissive of.

When we were sent to visit with vehicle’s families the first time while Ti was still in her vehicle and we returned, it was approved that each student could give the returning student a hug but other than that time we generally did not hug one another and there was never any kissing between students – though on a couple of occasions a couple of students did slip and it was surfaced had been feeling one another up in a closet and in one case in 1976 in Wyoming campground two students had sex.

On one occasion when Ross Perot was running for president, Ti and Do indicated his being a businessman might be good for the country. They considered having us vote that year but we didn’t and never did in the 19 years I was with them.

It was not a solemn environment but nor was it happy-go-lucky. I would not call Ti and Do controlling at all but it was a fact that if we didn’t want to follow their teachings their classroom wasn’t the place for us. Do even offered students $2000 at one point to leave if the money would help them make that choice as he didn’t want people staying in the classroom because of how easy life became – having that infrastructure to depend upon. Ti used to call the world outside the classroom, “the real world” which always puzzled me but I grew to understand that the classroom consisted of a very “controlled environment” to where one didn’t have to worry about bills and children and social engagements and business and if one lost their job there were others with jobs to depend upon.

The control was in the design of procedures to follow which arose as needed but it was self-control yet partners were committed to pointing out to their partners when they were breaking procedure and there were other overseers with the task of providing correction to fellow students most of which was done in private and when Ti and Do corrected specific students most of the time that too was done in private or addressed in general in a meeting though there were a few exceptions.

“Third Eye” way Luciferian Space Aliens Steal Souls

March 12, 2016

Below I have listed a youtube channel post that is entitled: “Symptoms and Side Effects of Opening You Third Eye Chakra”. The introductury text follows and the link is at the end. My comment to one of the commenters follows this introduction. Note the person who made this video says they have an ebook with “17 steps” in the title, another way the Luciferian space aliens sew seeds of confusion to try to commondeer the Next Level’s efforts. This is yet another area in which those standing for Ti and Do can get familiar to provide help to some who are being trapped by the Luciferian space aliens and their supporters (whether they know it or not):

YOUTUBE VIDEO INTRODUCTION:

Symptoms and Side Effects of Opening You Third Eye Chakra – What will happen After Third Eye Awakening and what are the signs of an open third eye? The third eye chakra, or Ajna Chakra in Sanskrit, is our connection to our spirituality and is located between your eyebrows. Third eye meditation can helps you open and activate this chakra. But before you start your third eye awakening, you should take some time to learn more about this chakra and what you can expect from opening it and what you need to be aware of. So here are a couple of things many people have reported experiencing after opening their third eye, and the signs you can look for is you have already opened your third eye, both good and bad.

What Will Happen After Opening The Third Eye Chakra
Many people have experienced hearing a loud popping sound from inside the middle of their head when they first open their third eye chakra. This is believed to be the opening and activation of the pineal gland. The pineal gland is a small hormone-producing gland that is connected to the third eye and is what regulates our sleep rhythm and releases melatonin.
A very normal side effect of opening the third eye is an intense pressure on your forehead and you may feel a consistent tingling or vibrating sensation on the third eye that can stay for days after opening the third eye chakra. This is only a sign that the meditation has worked and your third eye is awakening. This will go away within days, so don’t worry.
People often times experience symptoms directed to their vision and they begin seeing unexplainable things not from this world. This is what you need to be prepared for, as it will be a frightening experience if you are not properly informed and did not prepare yourself for this. One of the things you may see are paranormal entities or what we call spirits of those who have passed. You can develop clairvoyance and the ability to communicate with spirits. Some people see other beings not of this world, and could be creatures of other dimensions or what religion might refer to as demons. No matter what type of entity you may encounter, it will be a very overwhelming experience, and for some people it starts to feel like insanity and something they have a difficult time shutting out.
This is why opening the third eye is something you should prepare yourself for, so that you know what you are dealing with and what you can expect. This means that you have to be patient and take some time learning about the third eye before you actually try opening it… it will greatly benefit you in the end.
So to some of the more positive sides of opening the third eye is your increased ability to develop your psychic abilities and many people have reported experiencing astral travel, seeing auras and a greatly improved intuition.
Other symptoms of an open third eye chakra is more subtle. You will for instance improve your awareness and notice more things around you that were only background elements to you before. You step out of the state of autopilot, where you just go through your day not noticing or paying attention to anything.
Some describe a state of objectiveness where you are not blinded by your eyesight and the illusions and lies your eyes fall a victim to, but you will be able to see things more clearly and sense the truth and reality that is difficult to put into words. This could be a sign that your intuition or sixth sense is improving.
A lot of people say they see lights or colors while meditating, and this is just a sign that your chakra is activating. At some point they may even start to see pictures in their minds eye when they meditate, which in the beginning are very unclear and like a blurry image. Over time with third eye practice, the images will become clearer. Some will see an eye with the indigo or purple color of the third eye chakra in their minds eye.

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COMMENTS BY A YOUTUBER AND MY COMMENT TO THE COMMENTER:

America Anuchiracheeva asks:

If there is any technical advise to avoid any dark entities scary stuff? thanyou for your advise.

My comment to America Anuchiracheeva as 3spm:

There are no entities that are not scary who will be attracted to you by continuing playing with these tricks. The lower forces of the planet love to have “vehicles”  they can work through. These include space aliens that are actually no longer “space” aliens because they can no longer travel very far from earth – the reason they are trying to get humans to do so, because they wish to escape the earth where they have been in prison for thousands of earth years.

Several years ago, I believe I was given a sample of a third eye opening, I suspect to show me what people were doing and seeing and experiencing as a result. After a few weeks of seeing things it was removed. This third eye opening is a fake enlightenment. What someone is doing with this meditation might be compared to adding a device to your “brain” (computer) that provides a more powerful interface with whatever spirits and actually space aliens that want to use your vehicle. Sure they can assist you in many human things but true enlightenment means you have risen above the human evolutionary kingdom. I don’t think there are any truely enlightened being on the planet right now. I say that because I was the student of TWO enlightened beings, who incarnated into the body of a human woman and a human man in the 1970’s who took the names Ti and Do. They proved to me over 19 years with them that they were from the One True/Real Many Membered Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human – the organization of Beings who have evolved by choice above the human evolutionary condition. They don’t circulate on earth any more than a human would be comfortable living in a wild dog pack or worse yet a snake pit. We can’t actually rise to their state of enlightening without them because what that means is actually filling a “deposit container/pocket” (soul) they install in certain human vehicles, with Their Mind, (spirit) which is living information that if adhered to can grow within that deposit and eventually can be harvested from our vehicle, usually when it dies IF we qualify as they don’t need us and they don’t want just anyone to fill space on their spacecrafts where they live and work, so they make it very hard to join their ranks, but not so hard that anyone who keeps seeking their help can’t accomplish it.

Each person who wants to verify that I am telling the truth about this can project their asking beyond the nearest stars to Them – especially in the names Ti and Do. It’s your choice but to chose these other entites that are space aliens and/or discarnate human spirits is a dead end for your soul. They love having souls as they don’t know how to make a soul and nor can they kill a soul. Only the Next Level who designed everyting and all the life forms can make or destroy a soul. This is one of a number of ways the Luciferian space alien (fallen angels) capture souls that have been planted into humans becaue of the lure of power one gets to see things others don’t see and to have an advantage in the receipt of future help with the intention to capture others. They also want the DNA from those they capture as then they can propogate hybrids they and your soul can prepare for when each physical body being used now dies. They can have you believe when you die you will then be “free” and have that be a welcomed condition theoretically – not encumbered by physicality but it’s an illusion of freedom as once discarnate one can not FEEL sensations in the same way so there is a “wanting” that can not be satiated but they get some satisfaction by influencing living humans to be their tools. This is the norm for the entire human society. All our vehicles are time shared computer systems. The only part that is “us” is the “decider” of what to think, and do.

Now that it’s nearing recycle time it’s especially crutial to those that can still make some sense out of what I’m saying as there is yet another even higher level we need our physical body to make application for and has to be done entirely by choice that involves many steps to progress to and they must be the steps received from an Older Member of the Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human that they provided when they came incarnate as they have done a number of times since the start of their latest “garden” like experiment designed to grow souls into new members of their Kingdom. All these things taught by the Luciferian space aliens is permitted by the Next Level Older Members because it serves to provide us with a total choice of what to become in their “garden”. We can become as rotten as the Luciferians chose to become, that they don’t think they are and even have many disbelieving they even exist.

The Next Level will recycle those and it’s very soon without a middle aged person’s human lifetime that that will be completed which will include dissolving the “spirit world” and leveling and spading the entire planet, what some are mis-thinking will “heaven” on earth while it will be a time period to where the planet will have a rest and restoration of the harm the Luciferian space aliens and human sheeple have caused on it, mostly in destroying having any chance to choose to recognized these Creator Beings. Ti is the Chief Administrator of this garden. She, though is not a gendered being, took a female vehicle with Do and fulfilled the Revelations Two Witnesses prophecy and all the prophecies, though some have yet to play out. She was the One who planted a deposit soul into the vehicle they made (not by human mammalian reproduction) to start the recent experiment.

Do was serving by taking over the Adam vehicle and he fell to the influence of the Luciferian space aliens who were allowed to be present to set up the testing criteria. That same soul last known as Do (and to date) recovered over 7 generations later and took over the vehicle named Enoch who then came incarnate as Moses and then Jesus and possibly guatama Buddha and who knows who in previous civilizations on Earth and/or on another planet. This is NOT christian talk nor spiritual. It’s the real deal – the only real deal on earth and in the heavens – literally outer space. There is a great deal to say about all this but it’s up to you to seek it out. I’m simply providing an avenue but I am not a “teacher” from the Next Level. I am a student of Ti and Do, so I have zero desire for followers of me or to start an organization or new religion as religions at this time are all killers of souls because of how they draw people to become satisfied with the human condition and even satisfied to die thinking they get some “heaven” without the huge investment needed of showing the Next Level we want to serve Them on Their Crews on board spacecrafts large and small all over the universe.

You can contact Ti and Do by projecting your asking beyond the stars to them or if that’s too strange to use their names to the highest Living Being you can imagine exists and if you are sincere they will show you that I speak Their truth. They never lure or manipulate anyone though the have a very certain “rule” for their “”God” Astronaut Training Program” which they first called a “Human Individual Metamorphosis”.

Conclusion:

This person asking if there is a way to avoid the dark forces sounds to me like a ripe soul in that vehicle where many are overrippened and are already sold themselves to the Luciferians. As usual it’s not our job to save souls as religionists often do. It’s our job if we choose to take it to show the choices by introducing people to Ti and Do and their Next Level Above Human so they can judge for themselves who to give their allegience to.

I’m not saying everything I said in this post is exactly as Ti and Do would have said it. In fact I am confident I didn’t. I would welcome anyone’s help to improve my post and make it their own or start from scrach to make their own using quotes from Ti and Do and Crew and references to documents they left behind. If you leave those quotes in comments on this blog post I’ll include them to make this post better.

“Global Warming” Caused by Humans is Propoganda

March 10, 2016

I say, “Global Warming” Caused by Humans is Propoganda. Here’s why:

On friday night I was responding to a facebook friend in a comment to his article showing Barak Obama talking about what he said was the commonality between Trump and the other presidential contenders for the nomination – referring to their all being anti-immigration, anti-muslim and finally in that talk saying they all lack the common sense about the proven reality of “climate change”, which to me on this last issue (but on all of them) is complete doublespeak, the term purported at first in the book “1984” that seems to be an increasing norm to use by many human kingdom organizations ,both on the left and right.

The list is very long with the facts that show how polices have not changed under Barack Obama and if anything the policy he has taken to center stage along with Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton and others has been, “climate change” – again noting how they put out propoganda to talk about using that phrase succintley, because, of course there is climate change, as there has been for every day of everyone’s life throughout the world for as long as we have records. So I am a literalist in saying that but not being literal is often how mis/dis-information works.

The greatest misinformation proponents are those that say something they can see misunderstood and/or watch be slanted in any way the hearer wants to for whatever they want to believe or whatever agenda they wish to support. Ti and Do and crew said the Luciferian space aliens are masters of this and some even believe their own misinformation and then transmit that to human leaders they know have significant influence on humans to transmit to us. Because of how saturated the human kingdom has become with the Luciferian misinformation that even promotes their not existing, we would hardly stand a chance to see what is or isn’t misinformation, except in how Ti and Do and Crew came public to reveal by telling the truth.

A little background on what’s been going on to push ahead the Luciferian agenda unbeknown to most humans:

No where was this misinformation propoganda more pronounced and directly in front of the public than in what I believe happened in the coup d’etat in the 2000 presidential election when candidate Al Gore threw in the towel when he said on national television, that I watched, “every vote would be counted” referring to the many Florida voting irregularities. At that point the Florida supreme court actually ordered a complete recount but within hours the U.S. Supreme court ruled to override the Florida Supreme court order which was illegal as states are soverign in their policies regarding elections. But this was a coup and the media was integral to it’s success so we were all tricked into having G.W. Bush as president as it has been shown afterwards that if a recount had been done Gore would have won Florida and become president.

Gore and his party could have easily insisted on a court battle with the U.S. Supreme Court, but no chance of that as I’m certain he was instructed to cave to the “law” as they stated, so the BEAST-like humans who wear the uniforms and suits and white robes and the like and run the country and increasingly the world could play out the agenda they outlined in their think tank formed in 1997 called, “Progress for a New American Century” though their document, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” that called for a New “Pearl Harbor” event to motivate the people to increase military spending and activity to fight a “two front war” which they got with Afganistan and Iraq soon thereafter.

Ti and Do had said a number of times that the Next Level was holding back the forces that would descend on the U.S. after their exit to give Their  classroom the freedom to operate for as long as was needed to complete their lesson plan of “conquering/overcoming the human kingdom” enough to exit and move to each students next station in Next Level membership. This is directly shown by:

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The Lamb task was fulfilled by Do in his new human vehicle he took that was a fulfillment of prophecy in itself, describing him as:

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

The Candlesticks were the way the 7 groups of student souls were described. Son of Man was a term used for a number of Members of the Next Level who were incarnate, mostly applied to Adam, Ezekiel and Daniel and how Jesus mostly referred to himself and said would be returning with a new name because he would take a new human vehicle so is only “like” the ones before. His vehicle is the “garment” and upon awakening was completly covered – ceased sexuality and restrained (girt) any human seed bearing, procreative, reproductive programming (paps). It puzzled me for a while, why he was compared to the function of a woman but there is other supporting evidence of this in Rev 12 referring to his Father’s “footstool” as the “moon” – the mother that the Father was also depicted as by taking a “woman” – “generator” of life, vehicle. But one can even see that as an indication that he had the female side in his vehicle that he was also restraining, because before awakening he was attracted more to vehicles of his same gender – he was in a male vehicle that was expressing itself effeminately, said as “gay” or “homosexual” which is also more passionately enflamed and even “fire” to engage because to continue in those sexual passions meant to remain human and thus never evolve beyond to escape the recycling.

Do’s vehicle had whiteish hair when he took the stage in 1975 but even moreso in his second public interfacing in the Beyond Human Tapes and his head was “white” skinned. His vehicle was very passionate – said to have a great deal of charism as a stage presence serving as the lead in many performances in the Houston Opera – fire representing that passion. Feet is a way of describing his taking a “stand” in his human vehicle that was “a refined metal” in it’s strength and brilliance and his “voice” – disclosure is related to the Lions roar (waves of water) but as is always contined in prophecy even extends to his literal affection for music, producing sound from his vocal instrument. And he even chose a vehicle from the strain with the name, “applewhite” which is like saying, he had taken his failure as Adam and converted it into the purity of white light.

Also all these descriptions was directly shown by Ezekiel when he was approached by the “4 Living Creatures” who had one in between sitting on the
Throne and described in the same kinds of ways. (See Ezekiel chapters 1 and 2).

That’s just some of the evidence of how prophecy was fulfilled by Do in taking over the vehicle named Marshall Herff Applewhite. By the way, “marshall” is a rule enforcer and Herff seems to come from “sheriff” (but I’m not sure about that for Herff).

This is one of the many tasks Next Level members do that they even have fun with – setting up all these prophecies with each arrival of an incarnate member and then seeing to it that the prophecies are fulfilled when they are most needed – which is now to give a chance for all who are still open to seeing them fulfilled to accept the interpretations or not – so they are actually judging themselves.

So Do and graduate Crew fulfilled the Rev 6:1-2 “white horse” prophecy, where “bow” refers to his “litter” who he had “covenant” (rainbow) with to  conquer their humanness through Do’s “midwifing” that was the “spirit birth” Jesus said would occur upon his return with his “disciples” that required of them to be “born of water” (flesh birth) to complete – the metamorphosis of the Soul deposit’s growth inside the selected human vehicle by making their eye “single” with their Older Member’s will/instructions and example of doing the same which is the “christing” process.

Their exit in 1997 ushered in the next stage of allowing the Luciferian space aliens to wield their influence via their “radio wave like” transmissions to selected humans, described also as “horses” because the vehicles become those they “sit on” just as the Next Level does with human vehicles, except with the Next Level the vehicle itself needs to agree to every step. With the Luciferians the vehicle doesn’t even know how it’s being manuvered.

Thus this prophecy fulfillment of the “red/ruddy horse” is allowed to play out where it was held back before then, which is shown as this horse being “given a great sword” which means the Next Level was permitting the humans to do what they wanted with their military might:

Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

So the Democratic party seemed to cave by siding with the Supreme court decision and let the Neocons – the “new conservatives” whose plan for a “New American Century” was in the works by none other than Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and others who had been deeply involved in the Reagen administration, to let their Christian appearing “skull and bones” frontman take the presidency at the turn of the millenium which was also a type of continuation of the Bush/Clinton axis of power. Some researchers show they were both genetically linked to English and Spanish kings and queens and to Charlemagne, the Frankish (Germanic) emperor brought into power by pope Leo III whose authority was on the skids, to form what was to become the loose knit Holy Roman Empire that eventually gave rise to the Protestant Reformation, a further bastardization of what Jesus actually stood for while appearing to be returning to what he stood for by negating what had become Constantine’s Christiandom in the Catholic Church.

It can also be shown that Bush’s early ancestors seemed to be related back to the Kingdom of Israel. After Kingdom David’s succeeding son, Soloman  died there was a division when the Kingdom of Judah and soon thereafter the Kingdom of Benjamin moved north to Jerusalem and vicinity. However shortly thereafter that split they were attacked by the Syrians and many were scattered further north into Russia, east into India and west into Europe. Many of those in the two tribes migrated to the area around the Caspian sea and well into Russia and Siberia, the primary areas spoken of in the prophecy of Ezekiel as Magog which seems to be where a final battle is fought before Lucifer in particular is recycled, which seems to be scheduled for about a 1000 years after the judgement and recycling of the BEASTS (The U.S. and the E.U (little beast/horn of Daniel 7) and their land areas and judgement of those who most embody the False Prophets, the Christian and related Spiritual leaders/teachers and their supporters, those who side with them, who accept their “marks” and/or work for (worship) their “Image”  (illusionary “gods”) – false idols – the Universal Mind and Cosmic Consciousness proponents that are reported by contactees and channelers (Rael, Alex Collier, David Icke, Billy Meier, etc.) kin to the Luciferian Space Aliens ways of thinking that are also kin to overall Buddhist thought who like the Christians have their “christ” facsimili equivilent, referred to as the Maitreya, most popularily advanced by Benjimen Creme and others in the New Age movement). During that 1000 years Lucifer and his associates are once again somehow locked underground probably because they, like many humans will be hiding from the Next Level underground by then and the Next Level will somehow seal them there with the hybridized vehicles they propogated/engineered while they were allowed to surface in the U.S. since the 1940’s.

This link of the Bush strain to the Israelites then qualifys Bush as a “red” man, where the Adamic race begun by Adam’s failure resulted in propogation of what became the Israelites. The Hebrew adom means “ruddy”, or “blood (and man) faced” and one can play that out in the lineage of the English that becames the “Red Coats” in the Revolutionary war in the Americas and then to the Red republicans.

So the New World Order we have heard so much about was then emerging further to the fore, led by the U.S. and E.U., having had it’s start in 1945 with the formation of the United Nations headquartered in the new “great city of Babylon” – New York City, which is actually with Washington D.C. – the District of Columbia (where Lady Columbia was the forerunner for Lady Liberty) and is described to a tee in Rev 17 and 18 as the “seat of the BEAST” and how NYC was actually the first capital of the U.S. when it was called, New Amsterdam, which is most interesting in how the E.U. also has a juxtaposed relationship with it’s “seat of the (little) Beast as the E.U. in Switzerland’s Geneva, the location of the second U.N. Headquarters with the Scandanavian countries and especially Norway with it’s capital in Oslo showing history with the Eurpopean based “space aliens” that Hitler seemed to have begun relationships with who seemed to have an underground facility under Antartica, reported by the Russians that Hitler created a base in an underground lake they could enter via their Uboats.

NYC being the New “great city of Babylon” in prophecy is moreorless run by the descendents of those migrating Israeli tribes. Many of those who fled Germany having arrived in Germany in great numbers before World War I often having fled from their failed coup attempt to topple the Russian Czar Stalin often mixed with the non-Jews and all points west but who Hitler was even more permissive of leaving Germany because of so ended up as the last major migration of Jews from western Europe – all arriving in the New York harbor greeted by Lady Liberty (Columbia), the personification of the Woman who rides the U.S. BEAST that it would appear by several prophecies may further manifest with Hillary Clinton as the next president of the U.S. and New World Order that Barak Obama has done a great deal to foster and that Bernie Sanders can be shown to play significant roles in as a fulfillment of the Pale/Green horse for the opening of the 4th Seal that turns into the One World Government – despite having the continued appearance of individual country soverignty.

Perhaps the biggest descriptive term for this New World Order is “green” most propogandised as the need to save the planet and humanity from Global Warming which began in earnest with Democratic presidential opponent to G.W. Bush in 2000, Al Gore’s documentary, “An Invonvenient Truth” he made in 2006 that has turned into quite the “convenient” cover for the truth. How quickly it caught on winning an award in the Sundance film festival and earning some 25 million in the box offices around the U.S. and given private screenings in the British parliment to gain their support.

Regardless of whether they believe their own “science” or not, it’s a boon for whatever they want to put into motion to make money from and foster  new alliances from, while appearing to be saving mankind from itself. No need for messy talk of aliens taking over the world or of a God destroying the world with heat and yet a way to blame the many evidences of progress of the fulfillments of prophecy in earth changes and human responses on our fossil fuel usage – drought, cancer from ozone depletion, earthquakes from drilling or fracing, bigger storms because of fresh water from the melting glaciers mixing with warmer salty water, food shortages, water shortages – all reasons for disease outbreaks, etc. Meanwhile the economy is gutted, infastructures are crumbling, surfacing dirty deeds by govn’t officials to redirect monies or save their own salaries, increased technogies in space to monitor the global warming and of course the need for a bigger security state and military might and survailence state to thwart the reactions to all the mistrust of gov’t and outright rebellion.

In Gore’s ending message in the movie it makes the case that each person who is responsible for the global warming catastrophe can be a part of the solution by recycling their glass and metal and paper, buying hybrid cars and changing the way they heat their homes, etc. all a boon for corporations and providing more openings for investment into businesses that can steer away from fossil fuel dependance. It is even humanitarian because if the planet is about to experience cataclysm those humans who don’t depend on fossil fuels will stand the best chance of surviving while the rich fortify their underground city facilities all over the nation, near to all the major cities or a short airflight to where they can generate power by the solar electric generating facilities, rather than try to store billions of gallons of oil and ways to refine it. So it works for all involved and even shows an effort to have less pollution while also giving a boost to nuclear energy generation.

In the movie Gore says it’s not a political issue but a moral one, describing, “the possibility of the collapse of a major ice sheet in Greenland or in West Antarctica, either of which could raise global sea levels by approximately 20 feet, flooding coastal areas and producing 100 million refugees. Melt water from Greenland, because of its lower salinity, could then halt the currents that keep northern Europe warm and quickly trigger dramatic local cooling there”.

Sounds like a doomsday prediction that he doesn’t need to assign to God’s wrath, employing fear and guilt and even a way to think we can do something about it, almost like the “indulgences” the Catholics began selling to pretend paid for one’s sins. People could hop on the “save the earth” bandwagon and claim that anyone who doesn’t see as they see are in “climate denial” or are ignorant conservatives who probably believe in god.  All of a sudden I recall seeing ads by people like Hannah Montana, the Disney star creation talking about “saving the planet”. It’s really a new religion and the Luciferians are delighted because it distracts from their many agenda’s the govn’t is in bed with, whether they know it or not.

So as I was responding to this post of Obama’s talk that included his “climate change” preaching and looking down his nose on anyone who questions his/their “science”, I was asking Ti and Do for help to have something to refer to, to help show some that it’s not a given that human activity heads the primary responsability. Note I am saying “primary responsability” as of course one can see that burning all fossil fuels delivers certain gases into the atmosphere. For years I figured the Sun was the biggest factor to consider as primarily responsible for “climate warming” of late but I had ideas noting the facts that there have been ice ages and warming times said to be throughout the earth’s history when there is no evidence of a global wide scale of industrialization at those times. (However, I knew there were past civilizations on earth as Ti and Do indicated there were that I also saw evidence of and thought made sense.)

So I saw this volcano eruption story and it felt like a response from Ti and Do and Crew, though I know I could be wrong. Here is the story:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/ecuador-volcano-sends-up-towering-cloud-of-ash/ar-BBqpviq?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

But when I went to the comment section of the article I saw two comments that spoke about the many volcano’s currently in stages of eruption and it occurred to me a question as to why when a volcano puts out tons of CO2 – Carbon di-oxide and H2O (water vapour) (and SO2 – Sulfur dioxide and other gases) and ash particulate it causes GLOBAL COOLING but when human activity in the burning of fossil fuels puts out CO2 it is said to do the opposite and promote global warming.

The global cooling from volcanic eruptions has been frequently documented even before thermometers and satelitte data and ocean temperture monitors but is explained by some scientists is supposed to be from the carbon in the atmosphere that doesn’t let the sunlight in to do it’s warming – common sense right. You stand in the shade you are cooler. Yet the human developed CO2 and particulate is said to let the suns rays through and even trap them close to the surface creating the warming trends and other changes. Are the volcano’s CO2 particles less reflective than what comes from the oil we burn. Anyone that’s lived near or in a big city like Los Angeles, New York or Phoenix knows what smog looks like. Why is that particulate reflective while volcanic fog isn’t?

I was in L.A. in 1971 staying with friends when helicopters would come overhead with a loudspeaker and tell people to go inside because the smog level was dangerous for their health. I was in Phoenix to often see some of the worst smog of anywhere and it’s common in NYC as well and probably  most cities, but it’s limited to the area around where it’s most produced and it does disipate and is blown away and doesn’t block out that much sunlight but I suppose it can get worse. But if it’s not happening over the oceans and not happening in the mountains and not happening over big swarths of land where there are no cities, what keeps the heat from escaping to the upper atmosphere and/or out into space except I guess in the area the smog is thickest. But heat doesn’t work that way. As anybody that has worked with insulating houses. The cooler air sinks which creates a current that draws the warmer lighter air. If you have one opening in your house in the winter it will create a draft that will draw the heat out of the entire house. If the earth was like a house why wouldn’t the same thing occur where the hot air is drawn away from where it’s humanly created. I know, I’m not a scientest which is why I don’t see it but that’s not at all my only questioning of what we are told. Of course I tend to question many things I’m told and always have.

When my mother had my vehicle’s baby sister I was 5 years old and I asked where babies came from. My parents didn’t know how to answer that. They were afraid to say, “out of the mothers vagina” and could give more info if the kid wanted it. I guess that was considered to be immoral to talk about for many then. Anyway when they had no answer, I shrugged my shoulders and put up my hands and said, “well things don’t just happen!”.

But yes I am influenced by my beliefs in Ti and Do, though I can’t recall their talking about global warming or the prophecies of calamity from increased heat. But the timing of my coming upon the eruption story in Ecuador seemed like another one of those coincidences of a response to my question so I began to dig more into the history of climate changes, not because I need that evidence but for those that might need a little help or impetus to think outside this human caused global warming box and/or to talk it better to others to give them a chance to do the same as to go along with anything the gov’t tells me is frankly suspect.

The evidence of climate change can be seen as a part of several historic warming and cooling patterns that are not from millions of years ago that don’t require NASA or geologists to take core samples of ice caps to document. After all it was after the event known as the “Medieval Warm Period” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period) some now call the “Medieval Climate Optimum”, a suspicious way of not saying it was a “warm period”, that came a period from about 1300 to 1850 that’s referred to as the “little ice age”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age.

That period seems to have ended in the beginning of the 1800’s that evidenced at least 4 volcanic eruptions in Indonesia, Japan the Phillippines and Caribbean, the biggest of which was after these that occurred from April 5-15th of 1815 on Mount Tambora in Indonesia that brought about a global-wide “year without a summer” in the spring and summer and fall of 1816 that is well documented in diaries to the bringing about of record cold to Southeast asia, China, India, Europe and North America among the most documented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer . Some of the reports were of a “persistant fog”, called the “dry fog” because rain didn’t wash it away and wind didn’t blow it away yet it reddened and dimmed the sunlight. The picture of a location covered in black smoke from a volcano wasn’t what was evidenced in New England. On June 6th there was snow in Albany, NY and in Maine. Every day in May was below freezing in upstate NY. July 7th some said everything stopped growing. August 23rd saw frost in the Massechusetts Berkshire hills. Cape May, NJ had front 5 nights in a row in late June. July and August showed lake and river ice in Northwest Pennsylvania. Frost in Virginia on August 20 and 21st. Tempertures went from 95 degrees to near freezing in hours. East Winds prevailed for 3 months. The sun was obscured by sky overcast and clouds.

There was famine in Great Britian due to crop failures of wheat, oats, potatoe. In Germany there were riots and arson and looting and in many European cities. Cholera broke out in India. Cold in China killed trees, rice crops and water buffalo.

A recent report from the Berkley Earth Surface Temperture group said the temperture dropped 1 degree celsious. And during that time occurred the “Dalton Minimum” solar cycle 6 they said caused the temperture drop. That is a report of a sun spot minimum that took place from Dec 1810 – May 1823. May of 1816 was the lowest sunspot number listed as .1

It’s interesting that people can think the lack of sunspots can produce cooling affects but often don’t want to consider that more sunspots could produce warming affects as I have been saying was probably the biggest cause of global warming – not rocket science to observe as we know that when sun spots are very active and produce CME’s – coronal mass ejections that sends waves of increased electromagnetic energy/heat – literal fire that depending on where on the sun it occurs can directly hit the earth.

Perhaps that’s why since 1975 scientists say there has been the greatest surge in temperture, especially in the U.S. west. Is it coincidence that Ti and Do considered the western U.S. from the Mississippi River to the Pacific the vicinity where they felt their best connection to their Older Member. (They both spoke about Ti’s Older Member as their Older Member even though Do knew Ti was his Older Member).

I could go on and on and on with evidence that this “given” by the so called scientific community, that says humans are responsible for the global warming trend is not at all a given and has many common sense and scientific and historic evident reasons to question.

Isn’t it interesting that it’s the largely Republican religious that most question these science claims. That’s not to say I side with the Republican religious on any other issue. Actually to be engaged in politics to try to hold office doesn’t seem to me to be a way of “seperating from one’s humanness” – the formula for upcoming prospective members of the Next Level to choose to gravitate to, as Ti and Do taught was required to graduate though was accomplished in stages in several incarnations.

But perhaps the reason many of the religious Christians don’t necessarily go along with the science of human caused global warming is because, despite the many areas where many Christians have participated in or embraced a misinformed distortion and/or dilution of the teachings of Jesus, (that are the same exact teachings of Ti and Do with up to date more accurate terms and thinking about), many are aware that it was said by Old Testament prophets that Jesus also quoted and in the Book of Revelations, (that evidence suggests Ti and Do and helpers (prophets past) stimulated in previous incarnations) that the current civilization would be both purged and eventually destroyed by fire this time, not by water, thus heat in several forms are made manifest increasingly until the option to show one’s allegience to Ti and Do and/or the Next Level is “done” and the civilization is fully spaded and recycled to rest and start a new experiment within.

Another characteristics of fire as used in Jesus and Ti and Do’s teachings relates to the way the pressure on human kingdom is increased when they arrive and again after their exit, which is the reason this LAST harvest period is referred to as the “Winepress” because we, our vehicles are like grapes and our vehicle is under pressure to yeild it’s fruit, which is the Next Level Mind we receive as we absorb and adopt more and more of  everything provided by the Older Members in their thinking, behaviors and ways. We can choose how to respond to their provided increase of pressure ultimately by either becoming with them or against them. Those against them end up siding with humans in any number of ways while those with them side with them. Those against them then are taken out of circulation because of their being more subject to the human stimulated diseases because they don’t ask for help to avoid or treat those problems as they arrise. However, where those who grow to be for Ti and Do do meet their exit of their vehicles, for those that choose to “stand for Ti and Do” in the face of ever increasing opposition to doing so that could result in their loss of their vehicles because of. In that case those souls would be “saved” for a future planting while the others are not because they won’t have the potential to grow to become members of the Next Level.

That pressure is also equivilent to the force needed to purge out impurities from gold ore to arrive at pure gold. It’s a “trial by fire” process that is stimulated by the close proximity of the Older and Younger Next Level Members Mind coming into close proximity to the earth and walking among us and taking human vehicles to communicate with us and show us how to change over and make our vehicle pure from. How much we do to move towards that purity is up to us. The Next Level doesn’t hold anyone back from giving their all, while continue to work with those who don’t yet feel they have the strength to give their all but seek the Next Level’s help to grow further towards.

Here are the indications of some of that and this fourth angels pouring out of his vial has not yet fully transpired.

These “angels soundings” seem to have begun in 1900 to where each “sounding” had with it a stage of what was described in the prophecy so the fourth sounding seems to have encompassed the 1930’s to 1940’s, the time of the Dust Bowl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl) caused by massive drought that is reported in this Wikipedia article, saying, “the causal mechanism for the droughts can be linked to ocean temperature anomalies. Specifically, Atlantic Ocean sea surface temperatures appear to have had an indirect effect on the general atmospheric circulation, while Pacific sea surface temperatures seem to have had the most direct influence.”

I add this as additional evidence that thinking drought is caused by human activity isn’t nearly the given it’s being made out to be of late.

I suspect this “dust bowl” was what was prophesied here:

Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

However this doesn’t seem to be the only time and way in which this prophecy would play out as there seems to be a direct correlation with every one of the seven Angel’s sounding of the described characteristics of each sounding to two primary periods of time. The first as shown in the 1930’s – 1940’s just prior to the arrival time of the Next Level Older Members and crew via intentional crashing of some of their primitive spacecraft in the late 1940’s to early 1950’s which seems to have been the prep time for the FIRST of the two harvest stages. And as a matter of fact the baseline some environmental scientists use to measure against for their “global warming” prostications is from 1951 to 1980 with 1975 showing the greatest jump in tempertures thereafter. (I can’t help but equate that with Ti and Do’s having fully awakened to their task and first public meetings in 1975 as one of the things they said was that they were bringing the “light” from the distant heavens and that terminology went hand in hand with prophecy of how that “light” from the Next Level amounts to a stimulus and pressure to grow by or be burned up by to where the burning up by translates to the waste of that force via the passions when it can be used to boost one’s consciousness above human. It’s also interesting how the Luciferians created the facsimili of that process as a tantric (sexual) meditation of moving one’s creative force up the chakra’s to awaken the kundelini force, they say yields one’s enlightenment, except what it does is enlightens one to a bonding with Luciferian misinformation mind that is a dead end because the Next Level Older Members aren’t involved in the redirection of that “force” used instead to purify the vehicle ALL IMPORTANTLY FOR USE IN SERVICE TO THE OLDER MEMBERS, rather than for self service.

So the second major time period in which the events initiated by the sounding of the seven trumpets by those messengers from the Next Level is seen by the corresponding Seven Angels pouring out their vials, with the fourth listed as:

Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

This shows what is upcoming as though these characteristics continued from their first introduction to the U.S. apparantly it’s about to get much hotter, at least in the U.S. west and southwest which we certainly have seen with the Texas to California drought and the huge amount of increases in forest fires each year in the entire west.

Note that these don’t change the minds of who is responsible as many of the scientists have no Next Level mind in them anymore so can’t take these prophecies seriously nor the idea that the Creators are running the earth, while those who do take the prophecies seriously will mostly say they are the signs of what was supposed to happen ahead of Jesus return which is true but that they won’t necessarily recognize before they lose their physical vehicle if they don’t open up to how Ti and Do were their incarnate return in the task of the Two Witnesses and literally start a relationship with them by learning everything about they said and beginning to take a stand for them. (Do did indicate that even those that never heard of Ti and Do could be “saved on ice”, but for those that do hear about Ti and Do, the requirements are higher because they received more help to wake up to Their reality as what Ti and Do taught can never become just a body of information to study without application.

That application minimum was laid out well by Jwnody in “Away Team from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure” as:

“In order to get saved for further planting, the overriding requirement is to recognize that this is true (these are the facts).  You must believe that we represent the Kingdom that created this planet and all of its inhabitants.  And you must be willing to take a stand in defense of that belief, and sustain that stand until the end – your departure – regardless of the consequences.”

Now that’s not to say we are held back to necessarily just being saved. Do always thought about helping us rise to our best potential not the least as he can be seen saying in the Beyond Human Series of “why do you just want to be saved”. Do also spoke about the three types of people who would go with them. Two of those types had started to engage their metamorphosis that entails seperating from one’s humanness and connecting with a present member or an active student of a present member as Jwnody also described:

“The formula is the same now as it always has been.  To begin a metamorphosis in order to be born into the Next World, you must abandon everything of this world (just as the caterpillar about to become a butterfly must do).  You must separate and begin to wean yourself of all mammalian ways – ties and addictions – replacing them with the ways and behavior of a more advanced and refined level of life.  You cannot do it by yourself.  You must seek, to the best of your ability, the guidance of a Representative who is a member of that kingdom, who has been through the metamorphic process at a previous time, and who has been sent with the specific task of midwifing newborns.  Or, at very least, you attempt to connect with an active “student” of a present Representative.  This is an extremely rare opportunity, as we approach the End of the Age.  There is a tiny remnant left of a window for catching the eye of the “caretakers of this world.”
(From https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/away-team-from-deep-space-surfaces-before-departure/)

Prophecy seems to indicate some could still graduate to receive what I suspect would be a student model Next Level grown vehicle. Jwnody wrote about this possability, referring to some who were with them at the time which serves as a type of verification of the prophecy during the opening of the fifth seal. These verses describe some who are slain for the word of God and for the testimony they held:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

“Taking a stand” in what Jwnody described is kin to “standing up by giving one’s testimony” in the prophecy. In this prophecy “slain” is the Greek “sphazo= meaning in this context being put to death or mortally wounded by violence, unlike the way the Two and Crew “exited/seperated by dying themselves” in Rev 11:7 which was mistranslated to “kill” from greek apokteino.

I take it that’s one “consequence” some will meet for standing up for Ti and Do’s truth in days to come. Prophecy indicates that’s more to come – the “conquences” that could even result in one’s death during the upcoming time of the opening of the 4th seal because it’s during the 3rd seal opening (as we speak) when Obama the black horse is at the helm of the BEAST that those described as the “Oil and Wine” are not harmed. I suspect the Oil are those who are attempting to totally seperate from their human worldliness and standing for Ti and Do while the wine would be those who are not necessarily totally seperating from their humanness but are at least willing to stand for Ti and Do.

Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Thus if I have that right, those that do lose their life standing for Ti and Do are granted “white robes” – that’s a Next Level grown vehicle I believe, said as “robe” distinguishing it from the “linen” priests wore in the Moses camp:

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Those who receive “linen” Next Level vehicles are depicted as returning with Do who is using his Next Level vehicle (that may be the same one he took with him that was named Jesus) returning as an “armada” of bright lights in the heavens as Do expressed the possability of in the Beyond Human tapes and Ti and Do made reference to as the 7th closeness being Jesus return in the statement published in, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary”, which is described in Rev 19 that other prophecy seems to describe as consisting of the Lamb (the one who was incarnate as Jesus) with the “Four Living Beings” (mistranslated to Beasts) who each have a crew of 6 members so add up to the 24 elders with them – the ones who among the 38 + 4 who seem to most likely receive adult Next Level vehicles:

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

I’m not giving all the detail that’s available to further support these interpretations as they are all tied into other parts of the Revelations prophecies and things Jesus said and to things Moses and Old Testament prophets said/wrote about and of course other things Ti and Do and Crew said/wrote about.

In addition to these prophecies that indicate scorching heat to come that will test everyone even more that follows the further outbreak of disease – sores of the body and mind as described in the first angel’s pouring out of vial (that by the way is indicated as affecting those that are showing their allegience to the BEAST, thus patriotism as one form) which is human generated because of what the Next Level is doing to increase the pressure on the physical earth and the humans, that we are seeing just the beginning of, and following the destruction of sea that we are seeing by the fukashima reactors dumping of tons of radioactive waste that seems to be indicated will escalate by volcanic activity polluting the seas as the second angel’s vial pouring out and followed by the further contamination of drinking water that brings with it increased bloodshed as the third angels pouring out of a vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters, which again can be the byproduct of the way human bad behaviors in terms of caring for infastructes are stressed by Next Level adjustments, additions, each of which mount the tests on humans that are all opportunities for people to recognize the Next Level as bringing “Their” garden to a close, so prompting them to shift their allegience to the  Next Level. Otherwise without these last ditch efforts to help them wake up, many would never stand a chance of waking up.

Here is some further data that brings into serious question the alleged claim that humans are the primary cause of global warming:

Apparantly there was a “Medieval Warm Period” from about 950 to 1250 AD followed by a “little ice age” generally thought to span from about 1300 to 1850.

Below are excerpts from wikipedia and Britanica articles. It’s interesting to note that these are regularily updated and in the wikipedia articles I know that those doing the updates are most always university professors of various science departments. So their bias is often included sometimes in subtle ways like suggesting human aersols have a global affect on cooling or that human population decreases like from the Black Death could have had a global affect on cooling because there are less people to burn trees to clear land to grow food so doesn’t offset the production of greenhouse gases. Or some will call volcanic gases “aeresols” instead of showing they are made up of mostly SO2 (Sulfur Dioxide) and CO2 (carbon dioxide – green house gas) and H2O vapors. I take notice because some will say the CO2 from human generation holds in the heat of the planet which they admit comes from the sun mostly while the CO2 from volcano’s reflects the heat back into space causing cooling. When I questioned one environmental science university student as to this varience in the way CO2 is considered, he indicated it had to do with amounts of CO2 saying the CO2 from volcano’s was .6% where from humans was 82% over a years time frame.

So I would ask, what year they were measuring and does it matter how many volcano’s are in the measure and how active they are putting out the gases and for what duration and whether each volcano’s has the same percentages of the type of gas emitted and over how many years do those numbers pertain. The more one gets into this the shakier their “science” seems to be just like with the vaccination science or other chemical accumulations in our environment. For instance some will say, the amount of “fomaldahyde” in vaccines is less than what we get from nature. Then one will come upon a warning that a volcanic gas can be fomaldahyde and how there is no safe amount to have in the body. These scientists really need a big database so they can cross check what one another says.

Here’s another excerpt – and note the spin calling it the “Medieval Climate Optimum, or Medieval Climatic Anomaly”. What is an “optimum” and why is it an “anomaly” – Is it because there is no significant human activity changes can be attributed to so one has to conceed it’s “naturally occurring” something we don’t even have to believe in God to consider, but then it can’t be used to generate monies from:

The Medieval Warm Period (MWP), Medieval Climate Optimum, or Medieval Climatic Anomaly was a time of warm climate in the North Atlantic region that may also have been related to other climate events around the world during that time, including China and other areas, lasting from about 950 to 1250. It was followed by a cooler period in the North Atlantic termed the Little Ice Age. Some refer to the event as the Medieval Climatic Anomaly as this term emphasizes that effects other than temperature were important. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

Possible causes of MWP from Britanica:

Many scientists arguing for the existence of the MWP have noted that the interval was characterized by an increase in incoming solar radiation paired with a relative absence of volcanic activity. (Aerosols expelled from volcanic eruptions have been shown to block a portion of incoming sunlight.) The combination of both phenomena would contribute to an increase in air temperatures. Some scientists have also attributed warmer air temperatures in the North Atlantic region to the delivery of warmer seawater (heated by solar radiation unimpeded by volcanic aerosols) by the Gulf Stream and other currents.
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and…

The Little Ice Age (LIA) was a period of cooling that occurred after the Medieval Warm Period (Medieval Climate Optimum). While it was not a true ice age, the term was introduced into the scientific literature by François E. Matthes in 1939. It has been conventionally defined as a period extending from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries, or alternatively, from about 1300 to about 1850, although climatologists and historians working with local records no longer expect to agree on either the start or end dates of this period, which varied according to local conditions.

The NASA Earth Observatory notes three particularly cold intervals: one beginning about 1650, another about 1770, and the last in 1850, each separated by intervals of slight warming. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report considered the timing and areas affected by the LIA suggested largely independent regional climate changes, rather than a globally synchronous increased glaciation. At most there was modest cooling of the Northern Hemisphere during the period.

Several causes have been proposed: cyclical lows in solar radiation, heightened volcanic activity, changes in the ocean circulation, an inherent variability in global climate, or decreases in the human population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

The leveling off between the 1940s and 1970s may be explained by natural variability and possibly by cooling effects of aerosols generated by the rapid economic growth after World War II.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

Evidence from mountain glaciers does suggest increased glaciation in a number of widely spread regions outside Europe prior to the twentieth century, including Alaska, New Zealand and Patagonia.

There is still a very poor understanding of the correlation between low sunspot activity and cooling temperatures. During the period 1645–1715, in the middle of the Little Ice Age, there was a period of low solar activity known as the Maunder Minimum. The Spörer Minimum has also been identified with a significant cooling period between 1460 and 1550. Other indicators of low solar activity during this period are levels of the isotopes carbon-14 and beryllium-10.
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Note also how they do indicate lows in solar radiation as a cause for cooling yet they will nearly never suggest highs in solar radiation for the warming trends that preceded this little ice age and came after it.

Then there is this notion to fix human caused global warming as they see it with what I see as bizarre actions but are typical of technologiest gone wild:

“Some scientists have suggested using aerosols to stave off the effects of global warming as an emergency geoengineering measure. In 1974, Mikhail Budyko suggested that if global warming became a problem, the planet could be cooled by burning sulfur in the stratosphere, which would create a haze. An increase in planetary albedo of just 0.5 percent is sufficient to halve the effect of a CO2 doubling.

The simplest solution would be to simply emit more sulfates, which would end up in troposphere – the lowest part of the atmosphere. If this were done, Earth would still face many problems, such as:
Using sulfates causes environmental problems such as acid rain
Using carbon black causes human health problems
Dimming causes ecological problems such as changes in evaporation and rainfall patterns
Droughts and/or increased rainfall cause problems for agriculture
Aerosol has a relatively short lifetime

The solution advocated is transporting sulfates into the next higher layer of the atmosphere – stratosphere. Aerosols in the stratosphere last years instead of weeks – so only a relatively smaller (though still large) amount of sulfate emissions would be necessary, and side effects would be less. This would require developing an efficient way to transport large amounts of gases into stratosphere, many of which have been proposed though none are known to be effective or economically viable.

In a blog post, Gavin Schmidt stated that “Ideas that we should increase aerosol emissions to counteract global warming have been described as a ‘Faustian bargain’ because that would imply an ever increasing amount of emissions in order to match the accumulated greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, with ever increasing monetary and health costs.”
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One can see clearly how left to these science “religionists” where their laboratories are their churches and their men and white coats with degrees their priests make witch doctors look tame.

I know they can do many things and can solve some problems, especially when problems are running wild like cancer for instance that mostly comes from environmental degredation caused by humans. So if one get’s it if they survive their hugely invasive means to solve the problem they appear to be miricle workers.

Ti & Do= Jesus Return of “The Way Truth & Life

February 29, 2016

Comment on Youtube channel to my request for proof that I was following false prophets as Ti and Do:

John 14:6  This is Jesus speaking to his disciples, ” I am the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.”
Anyone who claims differently, insisting they also have access, are false, they are serpents. Who will be dealt with.
Matthew 28:18 Jesus came and told his disciples,” I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth.”

My reply:

I agree 100% that Jesus by his example in every way provided everything needed to come to the Father and that there was no other way to come to the Father.

That is why HE gave us the Lords Prayer – showing them and us how to communicate with the Father.

It was by his example of everything he said and did and gave instructions for his disciples to think, say and do that by adopting become that only truthful “way” that can result in obtaining “Life” as Jesus meant it, which wasn’t life in the human kingdom which Jesus said was not his “world” (environment).

Did Jesus exist before he was in that body named Jesus? The answer is yes.
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

Did he use the name Jesus then? No. It can be shown that he was operating as the Archangel (captain of angels) called Michael, verified in Rev 12:7 but study how Michael is described as “anointed”, thus a “christ” – (part of the meaning of being anointed by God) in the Book of Daniel for more evidence.
And did not Jesus say he as the “son of man” would be returning warning us that if someone comes “in my name” saying they are christ, not to believe or follow them as they are false prophets.
If we were warned to watch out for humans claiming to be Jesus the Christ, what name would he then come incarnate with?
If he wasn’t coming incarnate in a human body again, why warn us what to watch out for among humans?
And why would he tell us when he came back he would have a “new name” and would tell us the “name of my God”. Jesus consider The Father his God?:
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
So he is going to “mark” (write) on those that seek to conquer/overcome, prevail – three names, but more accurately translated as a revealing of three new identities and the label each has for our communication – one for “God” (his and our Father) the “walled or bordered geographical area” (city of his God) and His own NEW name.
The New Jerusalem is described as about 1360 miles square in size. (Rev 21:16). And it contains those who are the “bride” – the twelve apostles. It is seen “descending” from the sky/heaven and is constructed of pure gold – a metallic element not a spiritual construct though it’s so pure it’s “like unto clear glass” which we know pure gold is transparant.
It’s a physical object.
Who did Jesus say was coming back?
Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Abode is used most often as equivilent to “living with” – “dwelling with” literally. If he was hovering among the clouds he wouldn’t be dwelling with us and notice it says “WE…will make our abode with him.

Where else does Jesus indicate He and his Father come back incarnate (in the flesh) – what a “son of man” is – a human offspring?

Rev 12:1 And there appeared (show) a great wonder in (for sake of, because of)  heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Most Christian writers/speakers say this “woman” is the church but that’s false because the church is the body of believers. How can the believers give birth to someone who was to take the “throne” task. Only the Father could promote her son to the throne task she occupied.

Are there any clues to the One who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus – new name and the name of His “God”?

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount (elevated rise) Sion (dry desert area), and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads (amid or accompanying the face).

Again, an indication the Father has a name that’s not “Father” anymore and is not said to be in Heaven either and is among the Lamb (who was incarnate as Jesus) and the 144 and myriad of thousands “standing” on a elevated rise of dry desert. One of the primary meanings to “resurrect” is to “stand up again” meaning to take over a human vehicle. Thus this is depicting the return of the ones who became the Saints because they gave their lives 100% to Jesus service and died for him as he said they MUST – drink the same cup of his blood he was drinking. That was part of the WAY Jesus was showing the WAY in truth to LIFE eternal.

That was showing him they loved him by keeping his commandment to them just as he was demonstrating by keeping his Father’s commandment to “lay down his life” for his sheep. Remember Jesus said, “no man takes it (his human life) from me”. He chose to die and did not try to save his life in the human world which he easily could have done by not coming back to jerusalem where he knew the jewish priests were wanting to kill him. In that real sense he committed what was actually a suicide (to his humanness) mission and led his disciples to do the same by telling the truth knowing they too would be hated and killed for doing so.

Rev 14 goes on to describe that each of those on the dry desert rise in their human vehicles they were instructed to take over for their task to complete their overcoming through which is the real definition of a “spirit birth” by being “born again of water (flesh)” as jesus said they would be. And they each had “harps”:

Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
A “harper” is one who plays their harp and accompanies it with their voice (sound from their mouth) – a lyre-singer.
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before (in the presence of) the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

The throne at this point is both the One who was called the Father and the one who was birthed by the Father to his new position on the throne who was incarnate as Jesus.

They learn a NEW song to sing. The new song is actually taught by the Father and Lamb. It wasn’t an accident that Do, took a human vehicles named AppleWhite who became an opera singer and choral director and star in the Houston Opera for a time that he gave up to perform his task when his Father woke him up.

They were all in the “wilderness” high chapparel desert plateau living outdoors in “Medicine Bow” (as in covenant) National Forest in the no facility rustic camping area called Veedavou which means “earth born” when they changed their names from Bo and Peep to Ti and Do, named after the Song in the Sound of Music they felt was the Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the Heavens way of helping them get an idea of what their task entailed to have Hollywood produced as they did.

Hollywood is Isaiah’s definition of Jerusalem as the “valley of vision” – as in motion picture industry and the “valley” also a parched desert area and is where the Two Witnesses are both “subued” and “seperate, exit, go away from/by dying themselves. (Greek apokteino auto), though Ti left her vehicle ahead of them as shown in:

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

“earth opened up her mouth” is a way of saying her body was swallowed by the earth into the grave. “She” always said, she came to get “Do” going and then would return.

Finally in this brief bit of evidence, the New Jerusalem, the new name of the new Jerusalem, that is as why tell us it will have a new name and then tell us what it is except to describe it’s resemblance in history.

When the Two Witnesses are subdued (said as overcome):

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

First off, the greek “ptoma” is from the alternate “pipto” which means, “a ruin” so it’s not necessarily a “dead body”. However their human bodies were “dead bodies” as all human bodies that don’t change over into glorified bodies are. Jesus verified this by saying to someone who said they wouldn’t join with him until they buried their father, “let the dead bury the dead”.

What was ruined though was their human reputations that was broadcast all over the nation calling them dangerous cult leaders of the UFO cult because they said a “cloud of light” was a Kingdom of God spacecraft.

In any case, you will note in Rev 11:8 they are ruined while in the “spiritual” which is greek, “pneumatikos” meaning “non-physical” Sodom, Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified, thus the new represenative equivilent of Jerusalem as Los Angeles – the City of Angels which is a straight (street) shot west from the equivilent of Sodom in Las vegas where Ti and Do just so happened to be in a hotel when the CBS evening news broke the story that they felt ruined their mission – they were “shot down by the media” as far as they were concerned and told their students that knowing the students who were about 70 then would be in their rights to leave them because they suspected they might not be demonstrating rising from the grave the way Jesus did.

There is a mountain of evidence that this is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Please for your sake, talk to your Heavenly father about this before discounting out of hand but ask all the questions to challenge it and I’ll be glad to show you that it’s the truth.

Zika Emergency Manufactured by the Revelations’ BEASTS

February 8, 2016
A link to the evidence follows at the end of this post.
But here’s my interpretation, hopefully what Ti and Do might say:
Excellent research on what’s most likley behind the WHO’s declaration of the global emergency allegedly caused by the Zika virus. The French were among those who didn’t buy it right off the bat and it was obvious to many of us as reported on Alternet.com. What this article clearly points to are several vaccinations administered to pregnant women in Brazil and who is behind the funding of those vaccination programs but the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. It can even look like an effort to contain bad reactions to vaccinations and as a reduction effort to reduce the populations by people fearing sex and pregnancy – stimulating more illegal abortions in Brazil as they have no legal abortions – and the evidence suggests Zika present in a single diget amount of mircroencypheline cases.
As reported before, it seems these vaccination programs pushed on people and unsuspecting pregnant women is directly applicable to the Rev 16:2 prophecy that will affect ALL who give their trust and allegience to the BEASTS (U.S. and E.U. – the heads of the New World Order that is shown by the WHO to be quite effectively a control mechanism of the “sheeple” as some like to refer to the religious but is by no means limited to religious.
I would also not be surprised to hear about other mutations being covered up as I have little doubt genetic engineering experimentations with human embryos is in progress as was reported in the alleged Dulce, NM underground base that was also alleged to be jointly operated by some human equivalent space alien race(s) with humans in the 1970’s and recently I’ve seen some reports of someone who blew the whistle saying he saw animals with mixed breeding evidenced like I think he said a rabbit with a cat head or a toad with a long snake neck and head, as was in part reported about Dulce. To think this is sci-fi can be another form of brainwashing to think amidst these deformed babies from the so called Zika virus. How do we know these engineering programs aren’t being performed in countries with less ramifications when the populus shows signs of their experimentation as they extend their testing to human populations or a virus the use often in the genetic engineering escapes their control mechanisms.
Frankenstein, and Nazi experimentation is not just a story or something of the past and limited to dictatorial regimes past but right in our midst that is becoming the “karma” for all who trust governments and their institutions (though not saying to not take advantage of the helps the medical establishment can provide when we KNOW WE NEED that HELP but not for using their concoctions as preventative while seeking to find more naturally occurring solutions to problems.
The idea of finding natural solutions to problems was part of Ti and Do’s efforts. They weren’t against using pharmaceutical medications by prescription and over the counter such as for headache relief or to dry up a runny nose, etc. But it was interesting that I just read how it was reported from some people who knew classmates when they were building their earthship near Manzano, and renting office space that among their plans for the earthship “fortress” was what they called a “pharmacy” along with a bakery and nutri-lab and mess hall, etc. When I say that I knew it wasn’t going to be a pharmacy like at Rite Aid or Walgreens, etc. Before Ti left her vehicle we did have what they called the “dispensary”. At the time we were experimenting with consuming liquid diets that were nutritious – part of weaning us from sensual stimulus from food consumption. (They weren’t trying to give us things that tasted terrible. It wasn’t about being deprived of all pleasure in that regard. It was designed that They (Ti and Do would decide what pleasures were appropriate). This way any pleasure the vehicle received was according to instruction and that’s what bonding with the Older Members is about – grafting to their Mind in every respect in the ways they were led to provide us with.) So I suspect that’s what they meant by “pharmacy” – a department that used herbs and tinctures, homoeopathic and other nutritional substances for health sustainability – at that time not knowing how much longer they would be on earth.
Here is the link: