Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 4 commentary by Sawyer

November 15, 2017

Sawyer’s Commentary to Pineapple Street Episode 4 of their Heaven’s Gate podcast series:

I was also raised in a cult – It was called Catholic and I had no love or respect for the nuns who berated me and forced me to memorize the answers to their 50 question confirmation test. I was never good at memorizing something like that and yet Mother superior and my mother stood there acting as if there was something wrong with me and I was crying the whole time. At church because of the heat I would sometimes pass out to come to with nuns in their habits looking at me with angry faces.

Ti and Do taught that “religion is the number one killer of souls”. How can that be? Well they indoctrinate the kids with their opinions about what was taught in the bible. They force them into compliance and from doing that, the kids turn out like Glynn did – he had to get out, a good thing in my opinion, or they turn into one of them in what Jesus called a “false christ(ian)” (as they are not engaging the overcoming process that means only adhering to what Jesus taught rather than what Paul of Tarsus wrote that became the bedrock of most Christianity and/or paying more attention to the stories in the Old Testament that were also subject to distortion). In both those cases a Soul can be lost – even killed IF they don’t continue to seek answers by looking to a sense of Creators.

Before I joined with Ti and Do in 1975 I had been a hippy living with a Jewish woman out of wedlock in the mountains of British Columbia trying to homestead because I hated the path of the U.S. with the Vietnam war (though I got a very high lottery number, so wasn’t be drafted in 1969 when I turned 18). I knew I wasn’t going into the violent brainwashed “cult of the U.S.” who send troops all over the planet to kill people and steal their resources and act like they are saviors with their largely white nationalist often Christian cult leaders, called presidents and congress and the whole ball of wax.

The reason why a soul “dies” is because they stop seeking the highest truth. They settle with some facsimile.

Ti and Do were the only genuine deal and they didn’t want anyone to join them If that someone didn’t want it more than anything and they proved that by many, many examples over many years that I have posted but I can almost gamble most fear learning about because it will be upsetting of their applecart and we all kind of find a niche we are okay with even if it’s a miserable niche. I know that as I found a niche after leaving the group or at least tried to and yet what I got from Ti and Do never left me entirely and contrary to Glynn’s experience Ti and Do were so real and so truthful and so straight forward and so unassuming and so anti-religious, anti-“christian” anti establishment anti status quo, lacking human charisma without any abuses or hypocrisy or excuses that when they gave me the chance to reawaken, fortunately I couldn’t deny it, though I knew it would be hard but I knew I could trust Ti and Do (and Do after Ti left) so I was at least willing to take baby steps more in their direction. I had a baby girl and a partner and a good high tech programming job, yet there was still something about me that was looking for more. I put all my time into rebuilding and starting musical skills I had before I joined in 1975 and even played with rock star Ritchie Blackmore informally at a bar he frequented and at his house a couple times and he even indicated he was interested in me on the music level but I couldn’t imagine quitting my job and not being around for my baby girl so I didn’t seek to play up to him further.

So whether we know it or not, we all live in the cult of human. Humans become the cult leaders and people will drink poison if they tell you it’s what you need while others question what they are told. They will send you to die for them, kill for them, steal for them and call it business, cook the books for them, give our kids to them and that’s “normal” to where those that don’t fit into such a model, who sometimes become addicts and spend time behind bars or join cults or commit suicide or get so depressed they can’t live any sort of normal life unless they are medicated to sleep, medicated to wake up and medicated to have fun. We are prone to replace our seeking of the truth about why we exist with filling our time with pursuits of careers or family or fun or adventure and there is nothing wrong with any of it, but it is part of the cult of misinformation compared to the cult of cults, cult of truth – real true information from the Next Level Above Human most recently brought, and not yet distorted in the core ways, by Ti and Do.

The same opportunity that anyone has had to find out what’s most true still exists for anyone now and there is no cult to join, nothing to buy, no one to look to on earth as a leader, no special clothes to wear or place to go to pray.

That reminds me. here is one big example of why Glynn’s cult was so wrong. Had someone read what Jesus said they would have come by the part where he teaches to pray by going into one’s “closet” to pray “in private” and then would be rewarded in private. He didn’t teach to pray to Jesus. He taught to pray to his Father in Heaven, using “Father” to instill that family reference. Yet look at most all Christian denominations and their pushing of out loud prayer, prayer circles, prayer in groups, stock prayers – in the hymnals which Jesus also taught against doing. Praying to Jesus this and Jesus that, where Jesus even warned against turning prayer into a “vain repetition,” which has become kin to “using the name of the Lord in vain” – making the name used then meaningless. One can look at everything Jesus said and would see in most Christian leaders where they have accepted a distorted or diluted version, yet they appear as “sheep” because they wear the garb of a seeker while they have unknowingly become wolves preying upon real potential “sheep” who could still become followers of the true teachings from the Kingdom of God – Next Evolutionary Level Above Human to potentially earn a seat (position) on their spacecrafts.

How can otherwise decent people justify that hypocrisy? It’s because they were programmed to believe a lie, but the Next Level Above Human compensates for that programming by sending their Representative back again – incarnate the way they always come for this kind of task so that all who can still “hear and see” are drawn to them, however slightly, even drawn amidst the flood of thoughts against them that will continue in this broadcast because the reason they are even still talking about it is because Ti and Do’s crew have ways to keep the stimulus alive to keep it talked about to give yet another last chance for some to be at least a little curious about them, so they know which Souls to salvage when it’s all “done” and the recycling is fully underway.

This isn’t doomsdayer talk because the facts are that we all have to face doomsday because humans are finite so must die eventually and we all know that and accept it but hope it doesn’t happen to us or our loved ones too soon or in too difficult a way to handle. I don’t want that anymore than anyone else, nor do I want to watch it happen to others but there is help to deal and that help for those that hear about it is provided by the highest source in the Heaven’s we can reach, which is where Ti and Do and Crew are at this moment and are waiting and hoping to hear from each of us. They don’t need us. I don’t need anyone to believe what I believe. They helped me come back to some degree of acceptance of the programming of my brain/mind/spirit that they gave me a huge dose of in 1975. Without their help none of us would have any greater perspective of the whole truth about why we exist. It’s the highest form of programming that exists so it’s a positive program that even after they give us that gift of recognition that can start with curiosity, if continued can bloom to become one of their prospective students. It doesn’t make us a robot. In fact it removes us from being robotic.

So these broadcasts are great even with the unfounded judgementalism in Episode 3 that called Ti a hypocrite and the fostering of deceit in Episode 1 making it look like it was one of the 38 who expressed having doubts about taking their final act, when it was a dropout Frank’s, (who was Andody) response, placed out of context that I presume was said when he was asked about his feelings when watching the exit video’s of his former classmates. I was asked the same question.

Moving in the direction of Ti and Do’s Next Level is a step wise process. It’s designed to be difficult, unlike joining a religion or other organization touting itself as a path to enlightenment, etc., often taught to be almost automatically obtained by simply enrolling. Getting on Ti and Do’s path doesn’t make anyone better than anyone else or higher than human yet, because they aren’t above human until they complete the program to the satisfaction of their Next Level overseers, at this time the ones who were incarnate in vehicles named Ti and Do.

Although study of all the materials Ti and Do and graduate crew left behind, I think is a must, it also must grow to more than that as they don’t need theologians or intellectuals who gather lots of data on a subject to then become an “expert” in the eyes of others. Do told a little joke, saying an “expert” was a “has been drip”.

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TI and DO Statement in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary

November 9, 2017

This statement below was published in a book entitled, UFO Missionaries Extraordinary in 1976, included with interviews with TI and DO in 1974 and 1975-6 by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger:

A Statement Prepared by The Two

Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible even the elect.

We bring no signs or wonders, nor do we claim to be Christs or prophets, but simply bear the same truth that Jesus bore in the season that he promised. We come from the same kingdom that he came from and bear witness to his teachings. Our Father’s kingdom is reached only in the way that Jesus taught and demonstrated.

Rev 22:17 And let him who is thirsty come, let him who desires take the water of life without price.

Rev 14:1-5 Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and the4y sing a new song before the throne and before the4 four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

What is Happening in the Heavens at This Time

If you could project your mind out into the heavens and look at the positions of planets and other solar bodies in this immediate solar system, then extend your observations even more distantly, you might not be able to see the actual physical manifestation of energy; but if you were sensitive you would be aware that there is at this time an intense energy source focusing on this planet.

How severely this energy is affecting other planets in this solar system, we don’t know – and it is not important to us. This energy focus might be more clearly understood if you picture a searchlight that is circling in the far distant heavens without interference from other bodies in the heavens, clearly shining on this planet as it did approximately two thousand years ago in it’s last orbiting.

Another way to picture this same energy field would be to imagine a very distant emission of energy that has been obstructed from this planet by the positional interference of other solar bodies. At this time it is as if an opening or a shaft has been made by the present position of the heavens, permitting a strong intensity of that energy field to focus directly upon Earth – as it did approximately two thousand years ago.

It really does not make any difference what the actual cause or reason behind the energy focus is. But to be aware of its presence – and thereby understand why the life forms on this planet are responding the way they are – is significant, and will be helpful in understanding and controlling one’s own individual response.

Everything in the heavens, including this planet, is in a constant process of change and response to change, and that response determines growth or decay. This little planet called Earth is a garden from which individuals whom man would label gods may be born. “Gods” because they are members of a kingdom level above the human – the “kingdom of God.”

When this planet came together and was formed by members (or a particular member in that level-above-human) whose responsibility or chosen endeavor was the creation of a new garden, it became the place where germination could begin and life forms could multiply. If the life forms survived all the intermediate lesson-steps of growth, they could work their way up to the human level.

Now at this particular time, when an intense energy source is striking the planet, graduation from the human level into the level-above-human, or the kingdom of God, is made available.

The Earth garden has had life forms survive in growth-motion into the human kingdom in previous civilizations. However, at the time when the availability was offered, those previous human civilizations were not able to make it through the transition from human to the level-above-human.

A lot of growth in levels-beneath-human seems to be more automatic in upward motion, for the strength of will that pushes the life form up a notch is, for the most part, not consciously aware of what it is doing when it graduates upwardly. At the human level, schoolchildren in the early grades are not consciously aware that they have grown by their choice. However, at the growth level where a human becomes a prospect for the next level (the level-above-human) he must be completely aware of what he is doing or he cannot complete the transitional experience.

It might be helpful to consider how graduation from one level to the next is deserved or reached. A dog who has become tired or disenchanted with the so-called normal activities of the dog world and finds his only pleasure in pleasing his master deserves to move out of the dog kingdom and into the beginning stage of the level that he chooses to serve.

Some dogs might accept the training to avoid punishment. Their motivation would not make them deserving of graduating into the kindergarten of the human level. But the dog who desires only the attention, approval, and affection of the human, whose motivation is genuinely that of seeking to be associated with the next level (or human world), deserves to move into that higher level when graduation time arrives.

The energy focus that is now on planet Earth is the energy needed for the graduation experience. The human who desires only to please and to serve the level above his kingdom can at this time, with the help of members of the level-above-human, receive his examination, roll call, depart from his school (Earth), go “out in the world” – into the literal heavens among other members of the kingdom of God – and begin his apprenticeship and chosen activities.

The man who teaches a dog must hold frequent training sessions or the dog will quickly forget his training – though he may continue to seek a close, affectionate relationship with the man. A human college student must have an increasingly distant relationship with his professor and come into his own knowledge if he hopes to one day be in a professional capacity.

A candidate for the level-above-human must have an even more distant physical relationship with his teachers, or the members of the kingdom-above-human. For the requirement of his graduation includes a mental teaching program and a willingness to complete that program before gaining physical contact with the teacher level.

Because of this extremely infrequent physical contact, most religions have adopted the belief that members of that next level do not have physical bodies. The human professor does not seek out his students to impose his teachings; rather, they pay for instruction and choose to go to his classroom because society imposes the idea upon humans that they must find themselves in classrooms.

A prospective candidate for the next level has to do all of his seeking from the minds of his teachers in the next level through the strength of his own volition, according to the intensity of his thirst for knowledge above human.

Now, at the same time that this intense energy focuses or shines on this planet, members of the level-above-human come in at close range to examine the garden (most especially the human kingdom) and assist in the graduation. In preparation for the rare graduation period, a member or members of that next level might have chosen to leave their physical bodies, incarnate in the offspring of woman, lose the conscious minds they had attained, and live a seemingly normal human existence for a number of years – though close associates might have realized there was something different about them.

At the point in time when the energy focus became very intense, these people went through a period of mental transition, they became aware of the fact that they had come from another level and that they had spent a part of a human life in order to be at closer range with prospective graduates. The teachers can now tell and show how the changeover from a human into a member of the next level is accomplished. They may even demonstrate to nonbelievers that upon completion of the changeover they have become creatures capable of repairing a so-called “dead” body in three and a half days.

It was earlier stated that civilizations have existed on this planet that were unable to rise above the highest human condition. The present civilization, which began approximately six thousand years ago, has been the recipient of special help from the level-above-human.

Members of the level-above-human chose to incarnate several times into this civilization in order to assist in bringing it up through its different “grades” in the human “school.” This was not in order to upgrade genealogy or physical bodies, but to associate with the souls who are the products of this garden so that they might have someone with a higher consciousness in their midst to serve as an example.

The individual who was called Adam came to Earth from the heavens (the kingdom-above-human) in his total form – physical body and mind. He was so overcome by the discarnates (invisible life forms) from the previous civilizations that he was not able to withstand the aggression of their influences. Adam thereby temporarily lost his heavenly consciousness (the capacity of the mind of an individual in the next level) and found himself in the decaying vibration of the human level. This led to his death.

It was not until his incarnation in the individual named Enoch (who was the second major help) that he was able to rise above human-level vibrations and thereby resume his mental capacity as a member of our Father’s kingdom. This awareness permitted him to serve in the function of assisting in the bringing up of early-grade humans who were products of the Earth’s garden.

After Adam-Enoch had left adequate upgrading teachings, he was in sufficient mental communication with members of the level-above-human to complete his total conversion back into a rightful member of that level and depart from the human world and the Earth’s surface without experiencing death. He took his whole mind and body with him.

This is to say that Adam was brought to Earth’s surface from the kingdom-above-human (the kingdom of God) to begin a new civilization. He yielded to the temptations of the human-level sensuality, and in so doing he decreased his knowledge, the expanse of his mind, to that of a human-level creature. In a sense Adam lost what he had previously gained, and he did not begin to recover it to any significant degree until his incarnation as Enoch. As Enoch, Adam completed his changeover, physically and mentally, and left the Earth’s surface to reenter the kingdom-above-human.

After a season of growth, a third help-mission was sent to this particular civilization. But this time, in order to understand and to relate to the level of growth of the civilization, a member of our Father’s kingdom left his heavenly body in the spacecraft that brought him to the Earth’s surface and entered the newborn body named Moses.

Upon entering the baby’s body, the mind that had been in the level-above-human had to be as restricted as the child’s vehicle. In a sense, that mind had to go to sleep and reawaken as soon as the body of Moses had encountered enough experiences of growth and suffering to realize he had extraordinary work to do. It was his accepted responsibility before coming down to Earth to upgrade the civilization several grades beyond what had been offered by Enoch.

Using an analogy of twelve grades in school related to twelve steps of human growth in a civilization, it was Moses’ chosen mission to set rules of order which, if adhered to, could elevate man’s growth to fifth- or sixth-grade students in the human school. Moses, like Enoch, later in life changed from his human condition into a body and mind that could return to the level-above-human. When his work had been completed he did not leave a human body behind, but took his changed-over body with him.

The fourth significant help for this civilization came at the next major “spring” when a member of our Father’s kingdom, or the fourth mission of the same member, occurred. An individual (incarnate as Elijah) came to Earth’s surface and served in a capacity similar to Moses’. The information that he brought was again designed to upgrade or to assist this civilization, particularly those who had grown to the point that as individuals they were seeking to begin to rise above what they had gotten into.

Elijah’s information was structured for those who were moving away from their densest or broadest accumulation of human attachments – reaching for grades seven or eight. Of equal importance, Elijah’s information sought to prepare the growing members of this civilization for the next help that would come (in Jesus), which would actually give the information for graduation from the twelfth grade (human level) altogether and show humans how to enter the kingdom of God.

Never has any heavenly information been accepted by the masses as a whole; rather, it is accepted by the few who seek to change out of their last station of growth. Masses or groups of people do not grow or move up automatically. Growth is done individually, according to the degree of thirst for upward motion in the individual.

The next major help, or fifth upgrading mission, from the kingdom-above-human brought the civilization applicable information about how an individual product of this garden might change sufficiently to leave the human kingdom literally and take his total being, mind and body, with him into the kingdom-above-human. This is to say that the individual who came to fulfill this fifth mission took the incarnation labeled Jesus in the same manner that the individual of the third mission incarnated as Moses, and the fourth as Elijah. Jesus’ mission was to tell and to show how human products of this garden who had risen to the point where they were seeking the kingdom of heaven could reach it. But even though their comprehension of the changeover task was sufficient for them to begin to receive the information, their capacity for applying the formula of overcoming, or changeover, was lacking.

This is not to say that anything was lost by those who were applying Jesus’ teachings, for those same souls are here again now at this sixth help season in order to complete what they had started with his assistance. The one who was named Jesus not only had, after his awakening, the responsibility of telling and showing how the literal changeover from a human being into a heavenly being is accomplished – he also had the added task of demonstrating that one who had changed over can re-heal his body in three and a half days if he is destroyed.

Since the masses of people in this civilization did not desire upward growth sufficiently to reach for information Jesus brought, they found themselves in a growth condition that was blind to his truth. They had not the capacity to accept him; therefore, they rejected him to the point of desiring his death. Since the slow growers chose to kill him, Jesus’ mission included a “proof-demonstration” for the unbelievers. This did not mean that any others who might complete their changeover would need to be, or even asked to be, the instruments of such a demonstration.

None of this is to say that efforts towards growth and upward-reaching endeavors that took the form of religious movements were not the best for which men had the capacity at their station of growth. Ultimately the information for which all souls who seek to grow upward are looking is information on how to graduate into the next kingdom. It makes no difference which path you take up the mountain, what pursuits of knowledge – scientific or religious – you choose. All can lead to the top if your thirst remains unquenchable and you are dissatisfied with the level you have obtained.

However, when you have reached the top of the mountain, you must discard all the discoloration and terminology accumulated in your upward climb and come into an unvarnished, unromantic understanding of the requirements of “liftoff.” Therefore, there is only one way to reach the kindergarten in the kingdom of heaven. It was knowable at this time of Jesus’ mission if one could understand what he taught – not what others said he taught – and is knowable at this time through the information that it is our responsibility to clarify.

The sixth major help period for Earth’s human garden is now. The truth brought by us is one hundred percent the same truth brought in the mission of Jesus. Our responsibility is to reunite your minds with the proper interpretation of what he had to say – if you seek it – and to help you understand that only in the same way that he changed over in order to reenter the kingdom-above-human can you become a member of that level.

When Jesus said that everything that I am you can become and much more, he meant it. It is true.

Once again we are in a brief season when the “light” or knowledge or “energy focus” is on this planet. It is brief and intense. Many who have not chosen upward motion may respond adversely and even destroy themselves. Some – you, we hope – will realize that now is a brief period for your preparation to leave the human kingdom.

The seventh closeness will not be a teaching one, but a gathering of the harvest of those who have overcome this world.

If the forces of those who have chosen to be slow growers again choose to reject this truth and it’s bearers, then the two of us will again demonstrate that changed-over individuals can repair their so-called “dead” bodies in three and a half days. If that must happen it will be soon – and at the time that we have completed our testimony. As soon as our clarification is complete and it has adequately reached the eyes, ears, and minds of those who have become ready for it, we can reenter the kingdom-above-human and be a part of the membership of that level again.

Many could choose to overcome this world and even be a part of its becoming a heavenly body instead of a garden. The option is there. The intense energy focus that is on the planet will cause them to make their choice. They can accept this truth and do it–or reject it.

The seventh closeness, which is immediately upon us in the sense that those who are in the middle of their normal life span will easily live to see it’s completion, will include such events as what the Christian church refers to as the second coming, the “rapture,” and the completion of the final prophecies in John’s Book of Revelation. The one who was Jesus will come in at close range (as soon as those who have chosen to change over do it) and receive the elect into his company, for they have been those he has nurtured since the beginning of this civilization.

Those who literally and physically rise up to join him away from the surface of the Earth will be a part of the “rapture,” and they at that time will become full-fledged members of that kingdom. If they have not completed their total effort as individuals in overcoming this world and all of their individual attachments to it by the time he comes in this seventh closeness, they will not receive that ingredient from the kingdom of God. If they have given their full effort toward total overcoming from the time their minds receive this clarification of changeover requirements until the seventh closeness, they will receive that final ingredient and become whole “in a twinkling of an eye” and be capable of moving and serving in the literal heavens as much as the butterfly is capable of moving it it’s world as compared to it’s limited capabilities when it was but a caterpillar.

None of this, if you desire to be a full recipient of what this information has to offer, can be taken as a concept for study, religious belief, or some new idea of an avant garde cult. The teachings that are contained here – if they speak to you and if you choose to accept them – must be applied to the activities in your life to the extent that very soon in your individual life you will have only one thing in mind – reaching our Father’s kingdom during the short time it is available to you and seeking his help in the total overcoming of this world, having been weaned from all your humanness so that you might be one of those prepared to meet him.

Message Summary

Our entire message and our mission can be summed up as follows:

1) There is a literal, physical kingdom of life above the human level.
2) That kingdom level exists in the literal, physical heavens outside the Earth’s atmosphere.
3) It is from humans changed over that members in the next level get their physical birth.
4) The season for that changeover comes rarely and brings with it the necessary assisting information through the minds of members of that next level, who incarnate as humans during that season in order to bear the information of how the changeover is accomplished. The bearers also serve as examples or specimens, illustrating that physical changeover accomplished.
5) Human candidates for the individual change-over can accomplish it only during that brief season.
6) These candidates must be in physical bodies of strong will, be mentally alert, and be in full control of their total selves.
7) If the candidate’s body dies or is left behind, it is an indication that he did not change over and become a physical member of that next kingdom anymore than a caterpillar that dies has not become a butterfly (But if a candidate’s body has died, his time of changeover may occur at the next graduation season.)”

A Reminder
To Those Who Are in a Position
to Give Their All

During the time of your preparation and change-over, you must guard against the misdirection of your energies. At the top of the list, your first desire must always be to reach the next kingdom. You can not enter if you have not become an individual who has the characteristics of others who are already members of that kingdom. At the core of your motivation must be the desire to be good and right to a degree not comprehendable by humans. Your greatest pleasure then becomes the pleasing of your Heavenly Father. You must know who your Heavenly Father is. If he is from the real heavens, and you know him, then you will always try to stay in tune with his mind and handle each circumstance as you believe he or his Father would handle it.

Your emphasis must remain on telling others that the real kingdom level of the real heavens exists, and that now a brief time exists for individuals to become members in it. If you emphasize the demonstration, you participate to a degree in the “show-me” point of view. If the demonstration occurs prematurely, those changing over will find themselves without close assistance, and could easily be misdirected.

“Sticking it out” or “just waiting for the spaceship” won’t accomplish your desired change. You have to be willing to accept the possibility that your “chrysalis” might take as long as ours took. Only continuous pushing and pressing forward will complete your changeover. This pressing includes “doing your Father’s work,” i.e., daily doing all that you can to spread the good news of the real kingdom of God. You must be determined to not allow anything or anyone to turn your head from your completion task. There will be many who would delight in seeing you turn back in order to justify their weakness.

Warning: There are artificial circumstances, objects, and indivduals who would woo you away from the real. This is true of aspects on every level – even “spacecraft” and “angels.” Be alert – know the difference.

Pineapple Street Episode 3 Judges TI a Hypocrite using a preconceived hypothesis based on rumors and broad assumptions

November 5, 2017

Here are my comments for Episode 3 “The Mothers” from the Pineapple Press podcast series Heaven’s Gate:

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I am sad that those unfounded opinions claiming Ti was a hypocrite were publicly broadcast.

Here I address the main points the show uses to form their judgemental hypothesis that Ti was a hypocrite for whoever stands behind those statements by the host to examine, if they so choose to. In my opinion they are at best trite psychoanalyzing TI and sloppy guess work to appear to build their case in support of their preconceived beliefs. None of their accusations have any common sense to them. For all anyone knows TI may have thought Terri could have become an overcomer, though none of this reveals Ti had that on her mind but claiming she was a hypocrite and wanted to get out is kin to people claiming that man hasn’t been to the moon. It made me wonder if the writers felt the story wasn’t sensational enough or too much of a positive slant on Ti so they decided to go for the throat to build a case where there is none – manufactured evidence without any humility behind the opinions. However I still tried to address the accusations.

Terri (Ti’s vehicle’s daughter, who never was a student in Ti and Do’s classroom) said she received 47 letters over the 12 years TI was out of her life, while students weren’t given near that many options to communicate with those they left behind.

First off, Ti and Do were the teachers and all the students who stayed, at least on the surface needed to recognize that or leave as Ti and Do never wanted anyone there who was not going to give their all to the “process” of overcoming their humanness under their direction. It would be quite the equivalent to sign up to be a student to a physics teacher, who would give a student homework they themselves didn’t need to learn because they already know the subject inside and out. Now I know that’s hard to imagine for many because they were teaching us to become non-human, yet Ti and Do knew that course and proved it to me and many others and all of them were thinkers, far from blind naive sheep. I am aware that’s hard to fathom but it’s the truth and there is a great deal of evidence of it.

What about the facts… Ti and Do made several hundred audio meeting tapes, wrote many papers, directed every aspect of a group of 100 or so people to start and down to 50 living outdoors while constantly upgrading every aspect of our lives. The Christmas before Ti left her vehicle she bought a gold laced china set and crystal wine goblets for water and parrots and finches as pets. And with each thing they did, some student was having a problem with it and if they had a problem with the instructors choices they needed to either get past it sufficiently or leave the class though leaving wasn’t ever held before us as a carrot to staying. With a few exceptions, we only talked about it a tiny bit after someone would leave. Some needed to learn to treating those instruments well so the gold leaf didn’t wear off and so that the goblets weren’t broken (though some were and those who couldn’t handle them with care were taken off that part of the drying task, so we had assigned glass goblet dryers. I was one).

Ti instigated all the big steps and was such a great example of a Next Level crewmember dedicated to performing her task for her Older Member and yet hardly ever gave a hint of how difficult the task was for her, though had high standards for all of us to reach up to. Yet she was never condescending or irritated or crude and either was DO for that matter yet her heart was clearly in it 100% day and night as DO testified to.

Ti told us we needed to give Them our will.

Ti decided when the harvest was over on April 21, 1976 that ended starting any new public meetings.

The characteristics she was teaching were “flexibility, change, quickness (though not primarily by speed but by lack of wasted motion – Do helped us see about her, keenness, gentleness, were some. Positivity was another point. Here is a document she wrote about “goodness” not too long before she left her vehicle. It was called “The Power of Goodness”:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/the-power-of-goodness-meditations-and-affirmations-ti-and-do-gave-their-students-to-prepare-for-service/

So she sent a bunch of letters! I know it’s hard to find dirt on Ti and Do so it’s tempting to conjure some up and granted the story is beyond belief for most to even consider but that doesn’t make it unreal and genuine. Why is it that Ti didn’t drive over to see Terri or call her more? Why only letters? Ti could have left any time she wanted to. DO said that on her vehicles death bed her entire concern was how DO was going to fare without his check partner and Older Member. Do told us this with Lvvody and Jnnody present and they were also with her in those last days. Do told us that Ti remained true to who she was right to the end and DO was carrying out all her wishes to even hold back from telling anyone about her exit. (I would guess that would be because it could have started an investigation, even though they had a doctors care throughout. They were still cult leaders so are called on the carpet for any thing someone wants to bring against them) and to them completing the mission was everything.

One of the reasons DO told us we couldn’t have more communication with our families, etc., they said was because if they had even a phone number for us, it wouldn’t be long that different members would be getting phone calls to come to weddings and birthdays and for every reason under the sun. Withdrawing from our natural addiction to human behaviors and ways required lots of time and opportunity to be tested on whether it’s what each student really wanted to do and do according to Ti and Do’s directions. It couldn’t be done part time. By the way severing human family ties was Jesus modus operandi as well:

Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

When Ti gave the optional task to students to pay a brief visit to the vehicles families or whoever has the most anxiety about the absence of their loved ones, which took place in 1985, I guess she didn’t visit her vehicles family. Ti and Do explained to us that our task was to “calm anxieties” and that in turn would relieve some of us from feeling that burden through our human roots that exist beyond the physical presence.

I didn’t have much of a tug from my vehicle’s family as I was a kind of a black sheep anyway who left them when I was 17 and by 19 lived across the country. Once in a while when I would call my mother would be mad at me for not calling more so they were somewhat used to it and my brother and sister were much younger so didn’t really know me. And we had nothing in common, though I hitchhiked back to see them all before Ti and Do came to Waldport, OR. However one time in about 1990 I woke up and sat up suddenly like one might see in a movie having dreamed that my dad died of a massive heart attack. I told DO about it and he asked me if I was concerned about them and that I could call if I wanted to. I told him I wasn’t. Some months later Do instigated a phone call for those that chose to do so and I called and my dad was fine. I learned on the next call, about a year later that my dad died of a massive heart attack and they had been trying to get in touch with me.

My mother had been in touch with Nancy Brown and she wanted to hire someone to look for me but my dad knew I was doing what I wanted to do and so talked her out of it and I understood later that that may have created some division between them.

I’m sorry for Terri’s pain as well as all the ones who loved my fellow students but they all get the chance to grow stronger for having that experience and especially if they seek help from their Heavenly Father to deal with their sorrow.

There was another part of a letter that I saw reported, perhaps by the NY Times from 1997 that Terri thought meant TI wanted to get out, that said something like “I’m in too deep to get out,” that wasn’t brought up in this Episode 3. Ti was in too deep to get out. She was fully committed to her Heavenly Father’s work and the main focus of that was to “get Do started” as she used to tell Do but he didn’t understand until after she “went back” to her Next Level station to help him from a better vantage point to complete the midwifing of their class, which was his task to do.

When we were instructed to have the option to send a letter or make a call, we had a check partner. The check partner was for a number of reasons. We wanted to be careful we didn’t expose our location as we already knew there were private investigators looking for some of us. We learned that when Jwnody returned to visit and her brother who was a police officer told her he hired someone and we learned that the investigator was in Dallas right after Ti and Do had us move out. Another reason was because it was our procedure but another was to have other ears to help access the content of the call. Another was to remind if there was something in particular that needed to be talked about with them. That actually happened with Alxody, Nancie’s son when I was his check partner on the phone. Alxody welcomed having a check partner.

For whatever it’s worth, as a side note, one time in the early 1990’s the students on a supply run, Jwnody and Chkody mostly, met a homeless family who had no transportation and they got in touch with DO and DO ended up giving them one of our cars, though overall that wasn’t necessarily part of our task to help others in that way. DO didn’t check with the group on doing that and any student who expected him to was certainly not a genuine student though I don’t doubt some may have found fault with him for doing so – part of their overcoming, if they did.

Ti was showing genuine care for Terri. When Ti and Do sent us to visit our vehicle’s families they suggested we leave some with something from us. They suggested a stone of some sort that would be like a talisman they could have to remind them of us. So when I was on Long Island I bought one for my brother, sister, mom and dad and gave it to them. Ti and Do didn’t have to do anything like that. I’d bet, they were/are the most amazing Beings that have ever walked on this planet.

With some of those letters money was sent for Terri and her siblings to use to help them that Terri reported as a total of $650 (but perhaps a little more than that). Again, the thinking is that it was the groups money and that the leader of the group had no right to give that away. But why not? Who was the money given to? It wasn’t given to me. It was never a student’s money. Ti and Do used the donations from those first 9 months and the subsequent trust fund from Ollody and I believe some funds from Srfody as well for the task. Ti as Do’s Older Member with DO decided how to use all that money and I doubt they ever banked it in their names or stashed it away somewhere.

The truth is that for the first 5 years or so that I was with Ti and Do none of us had jobs and we never in those years did without food and shelter in tents or gasoline or the cost to lease space to put a big camp on, as they did with some big spreads in Wyoming and northern Colorado and Texas. They bought lots of equipment to keep upgrading the camp with generators and big meeting tents, sleeping bags, nice heavy duty army cots with decent foam pads and sleeping bags and cook stoves and all that goes with it. They bought a very large tent for consuming and new tents a time or two. In about 1977 they bought a small trailer and they always had a nice car. One time they upgraded their trailer and the old one became our storage and “oven” space. They paid for everything with those monies. These are the facts that can be verified by Mark and Sarah and Frank and others.

To say that Ti was hiding these things from the group is the generation of deceitfulness. What would they have had to do to please her accusers of hypocrisy, hold elections for financial ministers? Were they supposed to check with each of their students on every purchase? As Mark and Sarah may be able to verify, when they had a bank account I have reason to believe it was in a students name, a student that didn’t have an Out of Craft Task so they couldn’t be traced to the class to try to pull them out of the cult.

Tao, a very early dropout from Ti and Do’s group repeats a rumor he was told that was something to the affect of; “the two became so disheartened and thought maybe we got this all wrong – maybe we are not who we think we are”.  I have some ideas of where this could have come from. Ti and Do did “grieve literally for days” and felt their “mission was dead” when the national news broke that reported their vehicle’s names and that they were felons from Texas. Do wrote about that time in “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew”:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two.
Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down
by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”? but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

I never heard Ti and Do say anything remotely like what was reported by Tao as, “maybe this is all wrong…maybe we’re not who we who we think we are”. However, after Ti left her vehicle around 1987 while we were in the Boulder canyon on Lost Angel Road, there was one meeting I’ve written about where Do asked us all if we would still want to follow him if he wasn’t who he thought he was. I recall Nrrody standing up and saying she would follow him no matter what, as was my response and it seemed many others. Do didn’t seem to me to be upset in proposing this. It felt pretty strange to hear but on the surface at least it didn’t matter to me.

I could imagine if I was on the fence about staying in the classroom, that could have been the straw. I’m not sure if that was before or after Mrcody and Srfody were “pushed” out of the class, to put it in Jnnody’s terms in her exit video statement, saying how Ti and Do did put effort into doing that. That’s what happened when DO instigated the lesson step of prefacing statements of fact with “I could be wrong” that Mrcody refused to say when he knew he was right about something. He was very sharp minded. We could take the lesson to an extreme. For instance if it was raining out and we were watching it rain and someone asked you and you responded, “I could be wrong, but it appears to be raining outside”. However to say it then wouldn’t have been wrong as it was establishing that habit and it didn’t have to be those exact words. The lesson came before Ti left her vehicle when Ti spoke about how much we’d have to put our trust in them as opposed to trusting our self. The example Ti and Do gave when that first came up years before then had to do with these tents we had that were called Leisure Ports. They were a light green in color. So the example was, what if Ti and Do said the Leisure Ports were polka dotted, would you see them as polka dotted.

Jesus taught this same lesson, saying a disciple must “deny himself” – that means put no faith and confidence in one’s self. It’s kin to the Lords prayer, “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven” – in other words I want to live by your will for me.

After Ti left her vehicle Do told us that when Ti told us around 1978 that we needed to give them our will, she thought they might lose half the class. Around then we were just around 60 or 70 members so since we got down to 24 before it went up again, I guess she was right, though if one polled each dropout they might not say it was because of that but it probably did amount to that. Thus another of the many ways they “pushed” people out that weren’t ready and willing to give it their all. Being pushed out can seem to some as their trying to justify ending the classroom but wow, can I think of a lot of ways they could have done that all along that would have been far quicker and less tedious as there were years in between some leaving.

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

The class held “help wanted” meetings for Mrcody. Those were meetings that could be instigated by Craft Overseers or by a person that wanted the help. I doubt Mrcody instigated them.  It was weird because Srfody came to Mrcody’s side something unheard of doing in the classroom. When a number of attempts to help Mrcody failed he and Srfody were instructed to leave and Do had each of us go up to them and say something to the affect of, “you can come back when you want to abide by all the lesson steps”. Even saying that for someone on the fence might have been hard to do but that was instruction and as with all things in the classroom they were tests of our commitment.

Speaking of commitments. It was Ti who held a meeting with Do present but where she started the lesson step of making our “committal to Do”. She explained that Do knew we had to do this but was uncomfortable asking us to commit to him, so she told us. That began a period of time of being required to write about our feeling of making that commitment to Do. They didn’t tell us what to write. Another big step Ti instigated.

Jesus said it in a number of ways. Here is one:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Then there was the parable of the virgins waiting for their groom to marry, an illustration Jesus gave to prepare them for the same degree of commitment they would need to have with him as they were supposed to honor among one another they became the spouse of. He was to take the place of our spouse.

After Ti left, some days or weeks later, Do started wearing a wedding ring and then got a silver band for each of us. I turned it in when I left. At that time, Do held a session where each student would go up to him and he was weeping a little. We were not supposed to watch what he did with each student but needed to mill around to see when the next person should go up to him. I don’t recall him saying anything but he was perspiring a great deal. When it was my turn, he put his hands on the sides of my face so that my head was just a foot or so away from his face. He would sometimes have a private time with each student. With me when he did, he held my face in his hands like that and sometimes kissed my forehead. That maybe happened twice that I can recall in those years.

-Since I’m responding to Tao’s statement of hearing that Ti and Do were disheartened and doubting who they were, which I never saw, I can say I saw DO distraught on three occasions.

After Ti’s exit he was very depleted it seemed though that lasted for one meeting as far as I could tell, though I know it weighed on him thereafter to degrees.

Another time was when the first castration didn’t go as well as he/we had hoped he suggested he’d allowed it and said, something like, “I need to turn myself over to the police for permitting it”.

For that I clearly remember those present, Lvvody, Jnnody and I (as Srrody was lying down in another room then) saying, “no, no, we’ll take care of it,” and Do asked us to call Lggody and Jwnody to help us and he went into his quarters and we handled it and it all worked out fine as it was a minor complication that the hospital we took Srrody to took care of with one night’s stay there to observe his healing. The drainage tubes Lvvody put in weren’t draining right. Lvvody learned the procedure when she as a registered nurse working as an assistant in surgery for an Orchiectomist – a doctor who removed testicles that were cancerous.

Another time was when we moved to Atlanta around 1987 from Boulder/Denver where we had two or three large houses full of furnishings that required 5 – 24 foot Ryder trucks to pack and move. When we got there DO had his crew put down payments on three large modern houses in North Atlanta, in the Peachtree-Dunwoody well to do section of town, first, last and security deposit on each. I was one of the first ones to land a good job programming for Peachtree Software but other Out of Crafters (workers outside our house) weren’t doing so well. Parts of our classroom had been there for up to a month.  I worked for two weeks and Do held a meeting where he was almost weeping because he said he couldn’t “feel Ti’s presence” and he felt  “underwater” there. But he never denied who he was then and again I recall Nrrody jumping up with a few others to come up to him and suggest going back to Colorado, to which DO said he felt bad that we’d spent all that money, and quit all those good jobs and packed those trucks, etc. I didn’t relish the idea of having to quit that job as that was never fun, especially for high tech jobs that required training to come up to speed on their software and disappointing the employer but I certainly didn’t want to stay there if DO felt underwater.

Ti and Do always felt like they had their connection with their Older Member in the Next Level when they remained west of the Mississippi River. Years after I left when I started researching and writing my prophecy book it became really interesting to see that the New Jerusalem was described as a spacecraft that was about 1260 miles square which is pretty much the distance from the Mississippi River to the Pacific ocean and would extend north to around Edmonton, Alberta, BC. There is a lot more to say about that, that even involves Mark Twain  and his saying the cost to ride a comet’s tail to heaven was $5.75. It’s all in my book with the Captains deck on a Mississippi River boat called the Tejas deck and DO’s Older Member Soul was the Archangel Michael, where an Archangel is defined as a “captain of angels (Next Level crew members)”.

re: that part of one letter to Terri used in the episode to look like it was a big basis of her thinking that Ti “wanted out”, that read:

“be good, strive for goodness and by all means conform to society so you will have peace of mind. “

Terri wasn’t in the classroom, nor was Terri the Older Member teacher of an overcoming classroom so what Ti would say to her is not what she is going to say necessarily to her students. What’s wrong with wanting her vehicles daughter to have “peace of mind?” She was accused of plenty as being a cult leader so I guess that opens the door for her to be accused of simply showing love and kindness.

We also had instructions to conform to society though I can’t recall using that word “conform”. When we started to get jobs in the 1980’s, Ti and Do had a crew, they called, “pursers” to do all our tax returns. And they instructed us to not go over the speed limit by more than “2-3 miles over” – why – to not break the laws of the land and have trouble from them. Plus they at one point said we needed to grow so keen that we could drive a hypothetical stolen white Cadillac cross country and not get caught. Frank and Mark and Sarah may remember this.

“conforming to society” in certain ways was also taught by Jesus:

Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

I think it can be said that one can have more “Peace of mind” when they don’t buck the system. I tried to buck the system several times in my life. The latest was when I refused to pay for two speeding tickets that I didn’t think I deserved. What I found out is that the system is designed to make it hard to make one’s case without hiring a lawyer so I spent many hours and ended up getting my drivers license suspended and then had a headlight out one time so got arrested and had to use my credit to bail myself out and ended up paying $1000.00 in fines when I could have settled it all for a couple hundred initially. All that time I was driving without a license I did not have peace of mind. Now I am such a goody two shoes in my driving practice.

Even though we were social dropouts forming our own sub-CULT-ure Ti and Do had us try very hard to fit in, to not be interfered with, which is another form of having “peace of mind” I think.

I think Ti was trying to ease Terri’s pain and anxiety.

In some cultures one’s son or daughter would be praised for giving themselves to God. As I recall, though I’m not sure where to document it, Ti and Do taught that parents don’t own their kids that grow up into adults, though are responsible for those children before then and that adults are not responsible for their parents.

Plus, Ti was receiving the biggest dosage of the negativity against she and Do because she was Do’s Older Member. I have a number of examples of this and just so happens it was forecast for this to happen to Ti.

DO told us in the only direct bible lesson he/they gave over 19 years, which was also one of the tiny few times DO held a meeting without Ti in it, (while Ti was incarnate) that the Revelation chapter 12 “woman” was referring to Ti:

Rev 12:1-2 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Note the references to the astrological/astronomical characteristics and how Ti was an astrologer that she consider to be a “game”, though one that could have some value. Plus this describes Ti “getting DO started” said as “catching him up to God and to his throne” – the task of leading the classroom.

I could go word by word to describe how it applies to Ti and Do and what they said and did. That’s what my book does.

Later in the Rev chapter 12 timeline (as often chapter timelines overlap one another) Ti is shown to exit because of a “flood” from the Dragon’s mouth. That’s the negativity she endured that I realized sounds like what Do called her “burning out her vehicle”.

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

The phrase “earth opened her mouth” can be found as an expression in the Old Testament that referred to someone dying and going into the earth – the grave or to become dust again.

I can go through every verse in the Book of Revelations to show how they can be legitimately and in context with references galore, seen as applying to Ti and Do and their teachings and forecast and fulfillment, etc. It’s all in my book and I give it away for those that want to see that body of evidence. Here is a sample on my book web site but search the book name on my blog for the entire book’s contents.

http://www.tianddothefatherandjesusheavensgateufotwowitnesses.com/bookintroduction_appendix/

I think we started having the meditation exercise that was only done as a group one time or two I can recall though we did at the same times some times wherever we were not always having a room to go to. It was optional how much one did it after a week or so of having an instruction to do a certain amount that also included doing any time or day anywhere as a help to keep “influences” away from our consciousness. The influences get harder to handle when we have less physical or mental actions engaged otherwise act to distract us from thoughts of self influences – the past, sensual related thoughts, etc.

When Terri said something to the affect that “nothing (Ti and Do) said had come true”, that’s another rumor I’ve heard repeated many times but then from a non-believers standpoint that can look that way but the facts are that some of those things were changed by them to a “might” which I can prove about the Demonstration as talked about in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary, published in 1976 from interviews and statements and reporting by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger.

I understand that at first Ti and Do were led by their Older Members to believe they would perform the Demonstration but as they always said, they only gave us each step as they received it and that part of our overcoming was adapting to change as they said, “change is the name of the game” and that such changes would become tests. In this way, as Jnnody said in her exit tape, Ti and Do put effort out to “push people out of the group” that didn’t exhibit wanting to be there. Hence changes stimulated those tests. So here is some records of how they thought about the Demonstration after they were “shot down by the press”:

Brad Steiger’s interview with Bo and Peep on Jan. 7, 1976 in Oklahoma City, OK:

Do speaking: “It was while we were at Gold Beach that we realized that we had, in fact, come from the next level, that we had to be the instruments of giving information about how others could reach the next level, and that this would probably precipitate a demonstration of our death and our subsequent resurrection.”

Note how he said, “probably precipitate a demonstration of our death and our subsequent resurrection”. They didn’t say that as a fact that it would occur and they never dropped that it might occur.

And because of another question in Brad Steiger’s inteview, from pg. 96:

Brad: When you say that you have to be assassinated, put to death, in a major American city, are you patterning yourselves on the experience and the death of Christ?

The Two: No – it’s the only proof we can show that we are who we are. It is characteristic of the members of the next kingdom to be able to heal their bodies in three and a half days. The fact that we might have to do that demonstration did not come to our minds after reading Jesus’ life.

Again “Might have to do that demonstration” isn’t stating it as a fact.

And here is another question from pg 128:

Question: If you’re going to be picked up in a UFO by members of the next kingdom, are you going to have to go to a certain place at a certain time for this to happen?

The Two: No, we do not have to be in a certain place. We, of course, would not head for the middle of Times Square – unless we were to do our demonstration there. We would probably go out to a spot that was relatively remote, but we wouldn’t go there until we felt led, until we felt it was time to go there.

Our Father’s kingdom will wait until the world has decided about us. If the world decides that we must follow through with the demonstration, then we will go into our Father’s kingdom.

We will keep a very close eye on those who are involved in their overcoming and stay as close to them as we can. And when they have completed the process, they will receive the information about where they should go so that they may leave. We do not feel that they will leave from public areas. The public show will be our demonstration – if it is necessary.

“if it is necessary” is not stating it as a fact.

However, they at first did think they would do the demonstration when they said in the document, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew”, in “Statement I” that Ti and Do first mailed out in March of 1975 that resulted in their first big private meeting that resulted in around a couple dozen joining them, which took place in North Hollywood, California:

Do writing, “There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death.”

and continuing…,

“This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.”

Again speaking to all their carefully chosen words, “months” doesn’t say how many months would pass and note DO didn’t quote the “3 1/2 days” (time periods and other general representations of time provided in many cases) in the Two Witness prophecy.

Those who say nothing ever happened that Ti and Do predicted, I can relate to Jesus saying to his disciples only, that they would be shown more of the truth that for others would remain the “mysteries of the kingdom” because they were given help to SEE and Hear:

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Here are a tiny few examples that I know came true but there are many, but without experience or a desire to know them like I do, you may never see them as having come true.

1) Ti said she came to get DO started and then would go back.
She left ahead of Do and Do finished the task without her and this is shown in Revelations chapter 12 as in the plan, though Ti and Do weren’t informed of this until it became apparent by Ti’s exit. I contend that they were not supposed to know til then as it was a strategy by the Next Level to throw off the Luciferian space alien fallen angel souls, who were trying to second guess what the Next Level would say and do when they returned.

2) Ti and Do said that a spacecraft would come to pick them up and it did evidenced by:

An object was seen with telescopes and photographed with Hale Bopp comet (before it went behind the sun) and reported in 1996 on the Art Bell radio show by Chuck Sharack who had a CCD photograph he allegedly got from the University of Hawaii observatory that he described as a “saturn-like” object and it also became known as the Hale Mary. Alan Hale said it was a star and that Sharack didn’t have his preferences set right on his software, the reason he couldn’t identify it as a star. Another photo was taken from the Hubble Space Telescope that Art Bell was supposed to have but never received or showed. Hawaii observatory said the object next to Hale Bopp was a “light refraction”.  However, a Japanese observatory also took a photograph of it and that photo brings evidence of it’s existence because of the way the light of stars when photographed, the further away they are, take more of an oblong shape to our eye. Neither the Hale Bopp comet nor this alleged companion object had nearly the amount of oblong shape as did the stars around them, thus proving the two objects were very close together.

Also, the alleged companion had a thin black “tail” in the Japanese photo. Subsequent videos images from the SOHO space telescope that is trained on the sun 24/7 showed a black object with such a tail dipping it’s tail into the sun as if feeding energy from the sun.

In 1997 a paper was published that hypothesized the existence of a binary nucleus to fully explain the observed pattern of comet Hale–Bopp’s dust emission observed in October 1995. The paper proposed Hale Bopp theoretically had a satellite nucleus, but estimated that it would have a diameter of about 30 km, with the main nucleus being about 70 km across, and would orbit in about three days at a distance of about 180 km. This analysis was confirmed by observations in 1996 using Wide-Field Planetary Camera 2 of the Hubble Space Telescope which had taken images of the comet that revealed the satellite.

When Hale Bopp came out from behind the sun, no companion was seen but it had three distinct tails never seen before on a comet. It was also the most viewed comet and the biggest viewable comet in history and was visible in daylight to the naked eye, so “every eye could see”, as Jesus said would happen.

To give some evidence of a comet having a companion object, the first one after Hale Bopp came in March/April of 2013, (the 40 year mark (1 hour Next Level time frame) from Ti and Do’s initial awakening period by mid February of 1973) named Pan Starrs. It was photographed by NASA that I saw posted on Spaceweather.com and I copied the photo. In the photo, there is a black dot out front of the comet’s head. I was watching a NASA employee talking about the comet and he said ,referring to the black dot, “I hope they can tell us what it is!”. I never saw that photo again though I looked for it.

There is more evidence of objects with comets (ISON) or comets that have a clear double nucleus (Honda in 2017) but I’ll keep this short for now but this does become evidence of a spacecraft. It’s not like the US and Russia and England and Brazil and France and Belgium and other nations have no evidence of alien visitations in spacecrafts, so that entire subject becomes evidence that Ti and Do were right about – 1) that there do exist extraterrestrials and that they 2)  have physical bodies, some of which don’t have the same organs as humans and that 3) they can travel in physical spacecrafts.

Plus this has a prophecy verification as well, as Jesus said:

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The word “lightning” is listed in Strongs concordance as:

796 astrape from astrapto 797; lightning; by analogy, glare:–lightning, bright shining.

797 astrapto probably from aster 792; to flash as lightning:–lighten, shine.

792 aster’ probably from the base of strwnnumi – stronnumi 4766; a star (as strown over the sky), literally or figuratively:–star.

Thus a “bright shining light strewn over the sky” – what today would be seen as a comet with it’s tail and visible to us as “rising in the east and setting in the west” and that would accompany the Son of Man, the offspring human, a way of describing a Next Level Soul taking over (incarnating into) a human vehicle. So Ti was in a spacecraft trailing behind and later within what we saw as the Hale Bopp comet.

Also when Jesus left by rising up physically in the air, a characteristic of his new transformed metamorphosed physical vehicle the records say the disciples became aware of two people standing with them saying this was the way He would always come and go, which was via this “cloud of light”, the way Jehovah also came and went from his tent in the Moses encampment. Thus Hale Bopp comet was that “cloud of light” passing by us that everyone on earth could see if they tried to.

Ti and Do said that’s who they were/are Older Members from the Kingdom in the heavens who speak plainly about their kingdom, no longer in parables as they clearly did.

DO identified TI as the Soul of his Heavenly Father and Ti identified DO as the same Soul who had been incarnate as Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus, all of which were taken into the Next Level Heavens with their physical bodies, which Jesus said identified them as having come from the Kingdom of God in the Heaven’s. (Rev 3:12)

DO said Ti was the Woman in Revelation 12 and I later brought a great deal of evidence to that idea which is among hundreds of other points of evidence.

But they will only become proof to those who are given the “eyes to see” as Jesus taught also took place when the Kingdom of God gives that gift to people. If people take offense that this implies if they can’t see it then they don’t have that gift, then I suggest asking the Next Level for that gift and I’m pretty sure they will give it to you, as Jesus taught, “ask and you shall receive” but if you don’t ask then you may not ever see that truth.

Ti and Do taught that students of this “process” would become new creatures, hence the evidence of the 38 in the exit video’s who no longer related to who their vehicles were.

Ti and Do said their students would be grafting to a new vine, a new family which Jesus taught as well and that family can be seen among their classmates so much so that when they returned voluntarily by themselves to visit with their human families on two occasions, with the exception of one (Rthody) chose not to stay with their families which they easily could have done by just not using the return airplane flight back to Dallas and in 1987 to Denver from wherever they went.

Ti and Do also taught that discarnates – dead human’s spirits existed. Again no one will necessarily know this is true if they don’t have experience but there are many humans who do believe this to be true. To me it was like common sense to believe it but I had never seen any evidence of them until about 2010 when for a matter of several months I had two distinct but very different sightings and then perhaps 4 or 5 additional but very different kinds of sightings. Plus I learned how to block thoughts and/or discarnates from influencing me by exercising my mind as Ti and Do taught. This isn’t an abstract exercise. One learns how to put up type of barrier of energy that keeps thoughts we don’t want at bay and that barrier gets stronger the more we employ it so that we can go from rejecting a thought to stopping a thought mid sentence from registering to not even hearing the first words of a thought but recognizing it’s general nature, what I believe Ti called “smelling” an “influence”.

This whole idea that was also taught by Jesus has a great deal of historic evidence as real but the Luciferian misinformation campaign has stifled many of our recognition of it’s truth, making it into science fiction.

Now I know this next analysis is perhaps the least for many to consider but to some and especially to the 38 and other believers in them or to Jesus examples of thinking they did “recover from their “dead” state” noting how DO put it in quotes for a special meaning to “dead”. Jesus considered all who didn’t seek to be part of his classroom by believing all he taught to be “dead”. For example:

Mat 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

And in terms of their being seen leaving, we all saw that in the footage of their exit and it was timed and part of the story to be at the time of closest approach of the “cloud of light” – Hale Bopp Comet as Jesus said was a sign of his coming and going.

And we all now have the complete “formula” on how to go to heaven which I can share with anyone who is interested and it’s not to commit suicide but it does entail believing that Ti and Do were from the Creators Kingdom who created all the planets and all the life forms and who are also willing to “stand” for that truth regardless of the consequences until we each exit our vehicles.

When they told us we were to wait for the spacecraft, I can’t say I recall how that was said – as a fact or not. For me it didn’t matter. I didn’t join to get a ride on a UFO nor to see them rise from the dead. It just all made so much sense to me somehow, which I now know was because like Ti and Do said each of the vehicles Souls were trying to “get into” were prepared ahead of time, even from birth to be potential recipients and then we were given “smelling salts” so it was like, “phew, that makes sense, let’s get on with it”. But my main point is that I have nothing to gain or lose personally by not remembering how certain Ti and Do were about a spacecraft coming then or in the second time we did that which in that case I know DO wasn’t saying he was certain. That was in about 1992 I think right after we fasted on water for 13 days while living outdoors in the desert west of Phoenix. And there was no pickup then but a bright light that made no sound did fly over us but it certainly wasn’t what DO hoped for.

This idea that what’s good for the goose doesn’t have to be good for the gander is also evidenced after Ti exited her vehicle and DO started us on dietary research for maximum health and longevity that resulted in the Transfiguration Diet Book publishing. He said they hadn’t needed to start that diet until after Ti left because “Ti didn’t need to go through that” (diet regimen). It was a mucous-less diet, no processed foods, no flesh foods, no dairy, no stimulants, coffee, booze, and no fried foods and no refined sugars. I used that diet recently and it healed me from being crippled from Lymes disease. Frank might remember this diet and it may be talked about in one of the suppressed audio tapes Mark and Sarah, last I heard still won’t allow the public to have.

Misc points:

We never had instruction to say “good morning” to check partners and I had a lot of check partners that never ever said good morning to me.

Check partners were changed often but not during that first 9 or so months on the road that Leslie seemed to be referring to.

Also all of the students that remained after the 19 were sent out of the group and some others dropped out received “ody” name extensions I believe that was around 60 members, many of whom ended up dropping out in years to come.

I never heard Ti and Do say “maybe this is all wrong…maybe we’re not who we who we think we are”. However, after Ti left there was one meeting I’ve written about where Do said that asking if we would still want to follow him if he wasn’t who he thought he was. And a few students, namely Nrrody I recall stood up to say she would follow him no matter what, which is what I also felt but didn’t have the presence of mind to say out loud, (as a few did to chime into what Nrrody said).

A meeting after that DO said that “we need to be who we are”. This was 1987 and I think it was before Mark and Sarah were instructed to leave the class because they didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” exercise. He was referring to being the same Souls who were incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus and Jesus’ students. Do was examining from that point on whether to go public again and how that became the remaining 6 of 7 thunders (roars) from the Lion of Juda.

My first check partner was Dandy who became Dndody and I wouldn’t say she was that least likely person I might otherwise have wanted to be friends with. After all, her partner before joining was Prkody (who also joined with her) and he was a kind of hippie type with a long hair braid living in Oregon. Dandy may have had that sense about me but we got along pretty well I thought and we spent months on the road hitchhiking throughout the Midwest holding little public meetings. But in the beginning especially there were some who joined who were curiosity seekers or to see what would happen – to see if a UFO would show up or they would be killed.

I had to kind of mentally fight off one new member who went by the name Lightborn who was insisting Dandy and I break up our partnership when Ti and Do assigned our partnership. I don’t think he ever met Ti and Do and was very difficult to deal with when we got to Boston to hold a public meeting, when we didn’t know where Ti and Do were for many months – after the national news broke.

Remember how Jesus spoke about judging others, saying the way we judge others we will be judged. That’s what seems to be the case in calling Ti a hypocrite. Perhaps the ones doing the judging of who is a hypocrite are the real hypocrites not wanting to face the ways they are hypocritical?

**** Comments and Sawyer’s replies: ****

XF Checker I would have left the Class at that point. A leader doesn’t tell their followers to give up everything yet the leader buys parrots and finches. And what’s even worse is telling the student that disagreed with it if they don’t like it they can leave? That is ridiculous, Sawyer. That’s like the saying of “Do as I say, not as I do.” Sorry, but I have a problem with the parrots and finches and buying special plates and things for those birds? Makes no sense whatsoever. I would have left the Class at that point.

Sawyer Heavensgate They didn’t buy dishes for the birds We used the dishes with the gold rims and also nice silverware and also nice crystal goblets like for wine but we used for water. I admit at first I was puzzled, I mean for a minute or so, but then adjusted because I recognized who they are then and I still, thanks to them, recognize them now. Perhaps that wouldn’t have been the best step for you as the classroom was filled with those kinds of challenges. They never claimed it was for everyone. They even turned down at least one person that was reported in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary and I sort of turned down 2 people from joining in 1994 because when I told them we ate whatever we were provided at this time, they couldn’t imagine not being vegan. Some in the group thought I shouldn’t have turning them away as fast and they may have been right. Perhaps I should have held my tongue and checked with my partner at the time, but then when DO found out, he never corrected me on it. What Ti and Do said and did didn’t have to make sense to us. They were the teachers and we weren’t even paying them. We were in their program so they made the rules. If someone didn’t like the rules then they were always free to leave and did but what makes sense doesn’t follow a human programming necessarily as the Next Level has the overview and Ti and Do were always very particular with their choice of words and would check with one another.

So buying the birds was another test of the students. Why birds? But for those that knew they were exactly where they wanted to be, even if they didn’t understand it, they knew it was right and your point proves it because this became the way many who were not really ready for what they had to offer would be unconsciously faced with deciding. It took years for some to decide and yet Ti and Do, I believe treated each student as if that student wanted to give it their all, though didn’t yet understand what that meant.

Remember when Jesus said they needed to eat his flesh and drink his blood and some thought he was crazy because that didn’t make sense to some yet to others even if they didn’t understand it, they knew they belonged to that effort.

I don’t see that as anyone’s fault. I’m not claiming to be on a higher ground as I too chose to leave when I could have rose to the occasion to ask for help to look to DO more instead of caving in to my influences I was still clinging to.

XF Checker I get what you’re saying. Perhaps I used some strong words in my previous post I could have toned down. Instead I operated under a cringe or on a whim when I could have waited a while before executing a more refined statement. I’m not saying in any way that Ti was or is a bad individual. Nor am I trying to sound like I’m on some higher plateau. All I’m saying is I just have a problem with what Ti did, but I’ll have to deal with it in a constructive manner.

XF Checker That’s also what made the classroom the hardest thing a human can do, because of the way we are all susceptible to our accepted programming and self confidence and believes however subtle that Ti and Do constantly challenged. They had no human tail feathers for our minds to fall back on having confidence in and they didn’t make their choices based on what might seem like common sense. They were finely tuned receiver/transmitters for the Next Level so if the Next Level said tell the students the tent was pokla dotted when they all might agree it’s solid green, each student would have to be faced with a battle that would be our mind against theirs, believe in ourselves more than we believe in them. (that was the example of the intro to the “I could be wrong lesson step”.

So what does the student do when they question the Older Member’s actions?

(However, this not the same as having a question of understanding something they said. Things they do whether we see the reason for or not are not appropriate questions to voice. It would be like the lab instructor bringing in some new gear and not offering an explanation. They don’t owe an explanation to the student. Anyway, if one did voice such a question of the lab instructors choice, the response might be… “It was my instruction to give this new gear to you.” The student would then linger on that to find out why they got that instruction and the Lab instructor might give more details BUT then that would be taking away from the other lessons and ignoring a big lesson of whether or not one trusts their lab instructor and to what degree)

What a student with such critical thoughts would do was follow the procedure to treat it like a discarnate whether it is or not and put up a “blank card’ in our own mind so we obliterate the thought. With practice that can eliminate even having the thought (yet knowing/feeling “smelling” it’s signature vibration), for instance in this case, doubt.

As we build up that “mind muscle” thoughts like that become about as pesky as a mosquito we can just swat away. (But of course for each student, depending on what their vehicle and boogers present them with can make what is minor for someone else major to deal with). Even so, that doesn’t stop the mosquito from still trying to get a bite and this was designed to work this way. There would have been nothing wrong with a student then writing a note expressing to Ti and Do what they dealt with or to do so in a “slippage meeting” because in that classroom format it would be a slippage IF we entertained such thinking for any amount of time instead of just “nipping it in the bud”. Having the attack is not a slippage. Dwelling on it becomes one and those standards would need to be raised continuously to keep up with the classroom so that when it’s done, all have adequate control over all their “boogers”.

Thus this is one example of the mechanism of “washing” our Minds (or as Jesus called “sweeping out our house”) of human misinformation mind because following procedures from the current and present Older Members no matter what they are is using Next Level Mind and not following procedures is not using Next Level Mind – as simple as that. This is also why such a classroom can not exist as it requires lab instructors who are going to give each student what the Next Level chooses to give to the students. They might say, all the males should grow a beard and trim it’s corners so to do so would be accomplishing the lesson step. But to think we should do that now based on a previous lesson step like that would not have much if any value I don’t think, but that would not be the same for behaviors and ways, except to keep up with the updates. For instance Moses gave the lesson of who to have sex with or not but didn’t make it a slippage (sin) to have thoughts about having sex with someone else. Then Jesus said even thinking about lusting for another while married would be a slippage and then Ti and Do said that there was no longer marriage at all (which Jesus also introduced) anymore between students that is as we needed to give our all to our “marriage” to DO.

Also, I don’t get how this lesson step was like Ti and Do saying, “do as I say, not as I do”. Ti and Do did leave all behind. Nor did Ti and Do always abide by what the students abided by and it had to be that way. For instance, if Ti and Do wanted to leave the camp for whatever reason did that mean that students should be able to hop in a car and leave the camp for whatever reason? The students could do that to a point but then they don’t want to be in that classroom if they aren’t going to follow the teachers school rules. Ti and Do had different tasks just like what would happen for a Lab professor who didn’t need the same lesson steps in his/her classroom.

No Real Comparison of Jonestown suicides with Heaven’s Gate

October 27, 2017

At the end is the link to an article that compared Jonestown to Heaven’s Gate that I show really has little to no genuine equivalent comparison other than both their groups membership physically dying by ingesting drugs under the leadership of one leader. Based on that one could equate the president of a country as a dangerous cult leader who stimulates their soldiers to give their lives which I know to many seems preposterous to compare but is it really?

On the surface these two groups can be barely compared and I don’t doubt that from a membership prospective there were some tiny likenesses but other than that there is no comparison except in the use of poison to end their vehicles lives.

To follow are  some of the many huge differences that reveal this comparison as a typical Luciferian Soul “facsimile” production of what Ti and Do were doing. And it’s interesting how some of those who initially joined with Ti and Do in 1975, from the first meeting in North Hollywood around April 21st thought that they (Ti and Do) were promoting suicide both literally and figuratively which was not the case literally then, even if one did define suicide by it’s human definition as self stimulated death of one’s body. Figuratively speaking Ti and Do’s group were more realistically ending their human lifestyle entirely where in the Jones camp humanness was not changed at all really according to the evidence. Some of what I’m saying about the fear of suicide came from Joan Culpepper (more of an infiltrator into the group than a follower as she stated). Plus there was a relative of a student who testified her fear of their committing suicide in 1975 (about three years before the Jonestown event) that was documented in the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary.” Here are some snippets of that book on this blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

So here are the key differences that are major in the Jonestown People Temples group that there was not even a shade of indicator of in the Heaven’s Gate group:

1. Children were forced to drink the poison cocktail. One can see and hear it in the video with Jones preaching to do it while people are crying. Ti and Do didn’t allow children in their group.

2. If only one person disagreed and was forced to ingest the poison cocktail the entire idea could not be compared with Heaven’s Gate group. This was evidenced in the Jonestown story by video testimony and survivors. Some people who fled that last meeting were hunted down by gunmen. People were held at gunpoint to ingest the poison according to the records. In the Heaven’s Gate group people were challenged to leave throughout and 19 of the initial 100 members in 1976 were separated from the larger group and Ti and Do said they didn’t make the “first cut” on who they thought could accomplish the task of overcoming all their humanness.

3. Murder of the congressman at the airport as they attempted to leave was also a huge indicator of how different Jonestown was from Heaven’s Gate. The records indicate that Jim Jones was stimulated to take this action to escape prosecution when he learned that some in his group had passed notes to the congressman saying that they wanted to get out.

4. The People’s temple was a human social and political group. Heaven’s Gate was not social nor political. Spirituality seemed to be mostly absent from the documentaries I watched but if it was a big part was not any different from other spiritual and/or religious groups that had political and community support before they moved to Guyana. Heaven’s Gate wasn’t religious or spiritual in that context. The only reason they are considered religious is because it is through the man made worldly religions that the records of the Next Level’s incarnate activity was passed on and because the nature of the information was about Mind – “the character of the soul” as DO once defined Mind, that he taught was synonymous with the word, “spirit”.

5. Members of the People’s Temple did not leave everything behind to join with Jones – mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, houses, etc. (as Jesus taught some of his disciples had done (i.e. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. ) and that all Ti and Do’s students were instructed to do (though there was no way to verify that any one student had done but it was talked about as having an “ace in the hole” for those that didn’t. However I read one report that indicated Ti and Do turned away at least one person who was considering joining with them. She had children and it was reported that Ti and Do said she shouldn’t follow with them at that time and that perhaps she might follow later (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary)).

Jones and his group were a human organization with human family values and human behaviors that they took with them to Guyana, including relationships among members and sexuality and punishments for non-compliance. Ti and Do’s group members did not continue human relationships with anyone back in the world nor with one another when some joined who had such a relationship. (I was one of those who joined with my former partner I had lived with for 5 years and for the first ten years had zero communication with my vehicle’s family back in New York. The only relationships Ti and Do’s student had were as fellow crew members. There was no chit chatting or gossip or shooting the breeze or having best friends or confidants or “familiarity” among certain members (though we still enjoyed one anthers camaraderie and companionship and friendship and personalities and helpfulness (within the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught that are most synopsized in the lists referred to as the “Seventeen Steps” and the “Major and Lessor Offenses” – that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book and posted on the Heavensgate.com web site and posted on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-major-and-lessor-offense-list/

6. The idea that the Jonestown people were forming a utopia on earth was totally absent with the Heaven’s Gate group. According to Ti and Do’s teachings there was no “heaven on earth” in that way, at least not during the current civilization. They did say in the future, if humans showed the Next Level that they had evolved to be civilized – like not choosing to shoot at beings from other worlds, for example then the earth could be made into a Next Level Base aka a Heavenly Body where Members of the Next Level could be seen coming and going but still would not live among humans. They talked about how there were other planets where human equivalent beings were growing in ways totally unlike in the earth’s human kingdom because humans were somewhat unique because of the presence of the Luciferian space alien fallen angels they permitted to become catalysts for the growth of souls. There could be another planet but it would only be equivalent to earth if some human equivalent to Luciferians were also present but they mostly felt there wasn’t another such earth/human equivalent planet. (Some of this can be seen talked about in the Blackhawk tapes and a little in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). For the Blackhawk tapes one can search my Youtube channel named: 3SPM for “Blackhawk” and find three posts of those audios made into videos.

With Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate group the idea from the start was that we were all going to exit the earth, always potentially with our bodies but certainly as Souls for those who qualified. I doubt there were any qualifications to join with Jim Jones (but I could be wrong about that, but if there were I’d bet they were human qualification characteristics (humanitarianism) verses Above Human characteristic qualifications), many of which are in the records that came through a number of what became religions.

7. There were no abuses in Ti and Do’s group. There were never any sexual misconduct that I witnessed and none that were reported by the hundreds of followers over the years who dropped out. There was no punishment for not living by the “procedures” (rules) except for being sent out of the group. Some were sent out of the group and a number of those returned in unusual ways as there were only two “recruitment” periods from 1975 to 1976 and from 1993 (via media) and for about 9 months face to face in meetings around the US and Canada in 1994 and then via internet media by the presence of the Heaven’s Gate web site and postings to Usenet groups that one person joined from and was among the 38 who layed down their lives.

(By the way, “recruitment” was nothing like many groups I’ve both read about and experienced, like the Moonies for instance. We never stood on corners to sell flowers or anything else with the hope of drawing people to our meetings with an offer of food and then once there those who came would learn they needed to sit through their presentation before they’d be fed. It’s sort of the model of the Salvation Army. The entire “recruitment” effort was simply putting up posters on storefronts and bulletin boards in New age centers and health food stores and on telephone poles around the town where we planned a public meeting. Sometimes we got some free press and/or radio and/or TV coverage. People would come to the meeting and listen for a short time and take some questions and then were told if anyone wanted more information to stay after in which case sometimes even some who though they might want to join us were faced with details that dissuaded them. Nothing was ever hidden and there were not carrots put before a person’s eyes, so to speak. However, one might think the idea that they were joining with true Representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven could be a carrot but Ti and Do and their Students didn’t need to have more members so had no interest in cajoling anyone.)

8. Plus the way DO and crew laid down their lives was never rehearsed as it was with the Jonestown group. In the Jonestown group they had a number of rehearsals but the members of the community weren’t told they were rehearsals according to one or more survivor reports. People drank the drink that they were told had poison in it and nothing happened to them, so that became a conditioning to the act. DO did ask on several or more occasions each member of the group if they had any reservations about taking their exit into their own hands by drinking the phenobarbital mixture. One such time was when I was still in the group in September of 1994 that included over a dozen new (or returning) members. From that person by person question one new student said they had reservations and left the group the next day. Another who was a former member named Arrody left shortly after that for the same reason I read reported. One can think that too was conditioning but if anything the conditioning was to filter out those who weren’t clearly in favor of taking the action, the same kind of filtering that had occurred by many examples over the 19 years I witnessed that can be seen in this blog post:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/

I’m not proposing that the Jonestown event as a Luciferian facsimile attempt to discredit Ti and Do’s authenticity meant that the people in the Jonestown event were necessarily casualties or their their souls and/or Spirits were not kept by the Next Level because of their willingness to sacrifice their human lives in this world. I don’t say that without evidence from DO. For instance, after watching the murder of the David Koresh group, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas I recall DO saying that he wondered if his students would stick to their convictions the way they did, though not condoning those who used violence. To me that meant that some of those could have been seen by the Next Level as doing the best they could do. The point is, even if someone is murdered or kills themselves we don’t know how that Soul or Spirit will be judged by the Next Level. That judgement starts with the way each of us believe and act while living. We judge ourselves and then when it’s all done the Next Level salvages those they deem to still have the capacity to advance towards Next Level membership in a future opportunity. Like DO said as the 3rd Type of individual who would be “saved” from the recycling, they might have never heard of Ti and Do but separated from their worldliness in their own way. Do can be seen speaking of this in his video, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled” a video that was transcribed and found on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/

Here is the article that stimulated this blog post response:

Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate were supposed to be utopias. How did it go so wrong?
When a dream becomes dystopia. By Amos Barshad
https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/26/jonestown-and-heavens-gate-were-supposed-to-be-utopias-how-did-it-go-so-wrong

 

Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

October 20, 2017

Below is the access information for the Pineapple Street Podcast Series Heaven’s Gate and followed by Sawyers comments to each episode:

Pineapple Press Podcast Series – Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate
twitter: @heavensgateshow
facebook /heavensgateshow

Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts. I am calling them both “tests” and a type of filter. Because they were tests, even though they weren’t always presented that way, if someone was “on the fence” with their full commitment, they served to face us with getting off that fence, one way or the other, leave the classroom or stay on and become stronger for doing so.

(By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them was part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions).

I’m starting from when the self stimulated exit was first brought up directly as there were times before that, when it surfaced indirectly that I’ll add later:

1) In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting, for me, as an overseer of one of the groups, was near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which is when the idea of self exiting our vehicles was first introduced. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to a very short distance away. I remember feeling exhausted and wondering why, but didn’t let that thought linger. I wasn’t conscious that I was responding negatively to what they were providing. It’s only looking back and recalling it that I remember that negative response. None the less, it was a minor negativity for me and I said nothing and I didn’t think poorly about Ti and Do or question being with them at all. It was mostly because I didn’t want to do the work of moving the tents again. So I don’t really count this as one of the tests in the list because it was small a test, yet who knows how others felt.

2) The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level – “eyes to see, ears to hear”. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point, indicated by his saying “almost without exception”:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

re: what Ti and Do always described as “body changes” is shown possible by Jesus’ example of healing and demonstrating his new body that came from the old one. Christians refer to Jesus body after he healed his body from it’s dead state as having a “glorified body.” Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke adds a key piece not found in either Matthew or Mark’s account, showing that these two “men” as Luke referred to Elias and Moses were delivering a message at least one of them understood. In other words this was when Jesus was given instructions to “lay his body down” of his own volition which could be equated with a type of suicide as he knew well the Jewish leadership hated him and had tried a number of times to stone him and were shown later to have conspired for a way to capture him and have the Romans kill him. While addressing this, here is where Jesus directly says he was going to die on his Father’s instruction and that the humans were not taking his life from him. He was laying it down as the show of the greatest love one could show another, in this case his students, the sheep given to him by his Father to shepherd?

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Continuing on with when he received that instruction while on the Transfiguration mount:

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today for some has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

3) How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

4) The test TI said to DO felt like she “had egg on her face” because of – the planned exit via a spacecraft that didn’t happen

Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. I wasn’t privy to how that happened. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

5) Ti and Do at one point held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”.

TI told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

6) Ti and Do gave us instructions to think about what we might want in the world.

Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom and compared it to being in a snake pit. The “process” instruction they’d given us from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that.

However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

7) The first of two weekend long optional visits to our human families

Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had “anxiety” about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

8) The second  optional weekend long visit to our human families

I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

9) Mrcody (known now as Mark, one of the two Heaven’s Gate webmasters) and Srfody (known now as Sara, the other Webmaster are instructed by Do through each of their students to leave the classroom until such time as they are ready to accept all the lesson steps

In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to instill the recognition that what our Older Members say is what we must rise up to recognize. Thus is was also a way of helping deflate our self confidence and instead put all our confidence in our Older Members.

It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by.

The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

10) In about 1987 DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated and asked some if they had a reservation with taking that act.

At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. A day or so later, DO then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

11) DO offers any classmember $2000.00 to leave

It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

More accusations against Sawyer’s blog, video’s, Revelations Book by Carlan aka Crlody

October 19, 2017

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Carlan’s next comment on same youtube channel as above:
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Why should anyone listen to you when the group left a lot of information behind that they very specifically asked to be disseminated? Answer, you had some dreams that you expect us to believe were contacts from the NL. No thanks, I’d rather go to the pure, undiluted source rather than listen to your PERSONAL take on what the class was about.

Why do you think that you are more qualified to talk about the lessons in the Class than Ti and Do are? Answer, according to you “we have all the information that we need”. So, to you what Do said on the tapes to the students from 1985 to 1997 is not information we need but by your actions your blog, videos and book are info we need. No thanks, I’d rather listsen to Do than to your diluted ramblings about the Next Level. Do knew what He was talking about far more than you ever will. Do made sense to me, He was coherent. Your 19 years are NOTHING compared to the wisdom of Ti and Do. You arent qualified to explain what the class was about. Why do you think They left all of that info? They didnt leave you behind. Youre here because you are afraid to follow Them out of here. But like Rio and the Kings youve had to make up a big mission for yourself that you claim is for the NL in order to justify staying here and you get enboldened by all the individuals who follow your blog and videos. Theres nothing brave about what youre doing and even though youve been conned into believing that what youre doing is for the NL youre actually doing all of this for yourself. You dont get to be the arbiter of all things Heavens Gate just because you spent more time in the class than anyone else on the planet. I hate this place. Its a corrupt cesspool that corrupts our souls every day. The class’ info is still being suppressed and distorted and no one seems to care. All you seem to care about is getting recognition for your 19 years in thd class and continuing to add to your blog and your youtube channel and marketing your book as if its some kind of addendum to the HG Book. Ill pass on your book and your videos. You cant help me get closer to the NL. Get over yourself sawyer.?

 

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Sawyer’s reply:
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I guess you can ask anyone who watches these broadcasts why they would listen to me. So you are putting words in my mouth again. I doubt anyone at all listens to me because I had dreams. I’m not talking about it because of dreams (though I admit without the first bunch, I may not have come out of my fallen condition (to the degree I had fallen)).

I encourage everyone all the time to go to the pure information from Ti and Do and Crew. But that doesn’t automatically mean I’m necessarily “diluting” the pure unless I try to reinterpret what they said or give my “feelings” of what they said and interject my opinions about what they said (without including something else they said). If I am diluting wouldn’t that be on a case by case basis? I’m not saying I never have and I’m not saying I never will and I am saying that I’m always open to hearing from anyone that can show me where I might have departed from what’s pure from Ti and Do (and from Jesus).

re: Jesus – I don’t know if you knew that Ti and Do said we could trust everything Jesus was recorded to have said in the 4 gospels. I remember reading or hearing DO on a tape talk about how some of that record has been tampered with, but he still knew that the core of his teachings were fully in tact. Ti and Do said, the Next Level worked very hard to insure that that record was not lost or changed. They spoke of that parts we could count on as the Red Letters, referring to the way some bible editions of the King James put Jesus words in red letters. (you can check this out. You might find it in the audios. But you could also ask Mark and Sarah or any others that were in the classroom in the earliest years to confirm.

I never said I was more qualified to talk about the lessons in the class than Ti and Do are. You are saying I think that. Are you claiming to be psychically reading me? The truth is that I just can’t help but talk about my experiences. Maybe I just need to do that. Let’s say it’s a big ego trip for me. I’m not saying it is, but you have said that about me so I’ve considered it. If so, that’s between me and Ti and DO. Why is what I do so wrong in your mind by your standard, whatever that is? Show me how Ti and Do would disapprove? You can’t so you just make stuff up or take tiny stabs at the way I word my blog titles and descriptions and anything that might even hint at what you have a preconceived idea exists to prove yourself right to yourself.

Because of your constant and repeated over years disdain of anything I say or do (with perhaps a few tiny exceptions) I’ve wondered at times what you think “Standing for Ti and Do” means? Did we have any examples from Ti and Do and Jesus of what taking that “Stand” means to them?

I don’t know if you have ever answered any of my questions that come about because of your comments over the last 10+ years.

All you do is repeat the same stuff that tells me what I’m thinking and saying and doing and why as if you are judge and jury and the almighty student of Ti and Do.

When I hear this I tend to think, I better speak more because I know 100% is true that the Luciferian space alien fallen angels and all the discarnates on their team (know it or not) and all the humans who become their tools to work against the truth of the Next Level, want nothing better than for those who have the direct experience to shut up or twist – dilute and distort the truth from Ti and Do (as with Jesus and with Moses, etc.) and/or turn them against the Next Level in every which way conceivable.

I should be doing more video’s and will because something good is coming from it. I’m not saying Ti and Do need me or anyone else to bring that about. I am sure about that. The task of “standing for Ti and Do” is available to all of us who remain after their exit. But the facts are that the Next Level is not done with this human kingdom. They by DO’s account know there are people who will be among the “Second Type” – those who recognize DO as from the Next Level and are attempting to separate from the world but who were not ready to exit when they did or are not today ready to exit in the way they did. And then there is the “Third type” Do spoke about as those who were separating from their humanness in their own way who may not ever hear about Ti and Do.

So even if all the things you have said about me were true, so what? Let’s say I get to be a big shot and get to be in a movie or play my flute in some big venue’s or get to go on TV shows, blah, blah, blah, if I’m not saying things Ti and Do would disapprove of, like saying the “gate is closed” which some have said directly and indirectly and more people are taking another look at Ti and Do or a first look, how can that be wrong. Even if I became equivalent to a Luciferian space alien fallen angel because of all that fame going to my head in some way, why is this such a thorn in your side that you have to keep saying the same stuff over and over and over with less and less evidence that most any it would be of any concern to Ti and Do?

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crl ody’s comment to youtube video:
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It is the King’s choice to suppress the tapes, not Ti and Do’s. Are Ti and Do going to interfere with Mark and Sarahs free will? If we have “more than enough” of their mind written then by that logic we dont need any more written about what Ti and Do were about. We dont need books from former students. We dont need blogs from former students. We dont need videos made by former students. Former students can only give limited and diluted and quite possibly incorrect info on what Ti and Do were about. Ive seen this happen time and time again. RKK always felt that he was unqualified to explain what Ti and Do were about, hence his only interest was in disseminating the info as per the Class’ final requests. No one on this planet is qualified to or sanctioned by Ti and Di to explain what They were about. We did not act on dreams we had in the Class. We did not receive our instructions from the NL in dreams. Do addresses this on one of the audio tapes. These are Sawyers videos. They are not made by Ti and Do. These are Sawyers viewpoints, not Ti and Dos.?

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Sawyers reply:
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Crl Ody and anyone who comes upon this:

-I never said nor implied it was Ti and Do’s choice to suppress the tapes.

However, I believe it was a “test” they gave to Mark and Sarah in particular, since DO gave them the CHOICE of how to handle them as evidenced in the letters. In the letter addressed to Mrc/Srf are the main 5 points that show what was left as their task to choose to do, how and when.

All the audio tapes were in the storage they are speaking of here as “items” (point #1) and “items of value” (point #2)) and it’s clear that anyone who felt inclined to disseminate their information. Note they didn’t say anywhere what the limits were to disseminating their information, nor how to do it ie. blogs, videos, audios, spoken word, books, meetings, etc. That was left up to each individual.

1) “We put into storage items that we would prefer the authorities not have access to. You can do with those items whatever feels right to you. The only exception to this is some exercise equipment which belongs to our landlord, Sam, and we suspect he will want at some point.”

2) “Pursers have included an additional document as part of this packet that further covers the disposition of our cars and this truck. So we ask that you refer to that document for details. It is our desire that any items of value that are retrievable by you be divided among those who feel inclined to disseminate our information. Any of the funds you retrieve can be used towards that end and for the living expenses of those involving themselves in this project.”

3) Referring to a CBC producer/director named Debbie Geller, who wanted them (the class) to participate in a documentary, who worked out of the New York office, they wrote,

“So, for this reason, we are recommending that they be involved to some degree in the coverage of this event, that is, if their attitude seems to remain somewhat objective and you find working with them not too difficult. Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about.”

4) “Also we want to make it clear that we’re certainly not asking you to do these tasks if, after receiving this information, circumstances make It too difficult or other options seem more appropriate for you. We want you to feel free to exercise any available options with whatever timing feels right for your own next step. No doors are closed to you.”

5) “We also asked OSC to register the Heaven’s Gate book with the Library of Congress and that if he needed any funds to accomplish this, that you would cover it out of the project funds that you have on hand.”

6) In the letter addressed to RKK where he received their “hopes” he could accomplish, i.e. the press release, updates to the web site and some people they had been in touch with):

“Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about”

Thus speaking on their behalf was part of what they hoped He and thus any who felt to participate in their “project” (that referred to after their exit) would do. It’s also interesting that there were detailed instructions on how to handle their video tape exit statements and the Beyond Human Video tape series masters, indicating their wish that they are to be distributed for the “widest coverage” but said nothing about the audio tapes in storage. (I think it wasn’t spelled out because it was meant to be a test for all involved then and thereafter)

Here is the link to my blog post that includes a bit more:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/08/08/do-and-crews-instructions-on-handling-storage-locker-content-provided-choices-and-thus-tests-for-all/

-I don’t know if Ti and Do would “interfere with Mark and Sarah’s free will. They interfered with the Luciferians free will when they wiped out the Nephilim (human hybrids translated to “giants” in Genesis chapter 6 written by Moses that Ti and Do said some of was distorted) they seeded, with the Great Noah Flood? Ti and Do indicated The Kingdom of God interfered with allowing the Luciferians to suppress what Jesus said, so we could count on the current record in the four gospels.

How can you be so sure they wouldn’t interfere with Mark and Sarah’s continued suppression of the remaining audio tapes?

At this moment in time, as far as I’m aware, since we don’t know of anyone who has claimed to have those audio tapes, I believe that as of this moment we don’t actually need any more of their Informational Mind to show them what we need to show them. As you know DO said their information wasn’t meant to become a subject of study. We need to serve them and there is plenty to do to serve them with the existing materials.

I continue to “Stand for Ti and Do” which includes the dissemination of Their “Mind”. No one on earth is my judge in that regard. Their Mind is revealed in all the documentation they left behind that I have plenty of evidence in their materials left behind for us, counts the “records” they often spoke about and I recall clearly they said was from their Kingdom that includes what they said was the “Red Letters” in the gospel record and the related parts, they and Jesus referred to in the Book of Revelations and potentially any of the records that show the same consistent teachings. In 88Update, Do even quoted Paul’s writings in 1Cor 7:29 and 1Cor 7:32-35 about celibacy and marriage while knowing that Paul’s writings brought about significant distortion and dilutions of the true information from Jesus.

-You said “Students can only give limited and diluted and quite possibly incorrect info on what Ti and Do were about”. I agree that that can happen and does happen but the key word in that statement that is not factual to Ti and Do’s teachings is saying that “students can ONLY give limited…” It seems to me that saying this shows how you have made your cause into an all or nothing way of thinking about this. Ti and Do hardly spoke in such absolutes unless they knew it, so how is it that you act like you “know it”.

As I’ve said many times, show me the errors of my ways by showing me how Ti and Do taught otherwise (to any degree) and I’ll pay attention to that piece. If you don’t provide that evidence it’s just your opinion so what makes it any better than mine? It may even be giving incorrect information to make that unfounded very general blanket accusation.

-And who are you speaking of as “we” in saying these forms of communication are not needed. Isn’t that an individuals choice to determine what they derive value from or not? And why is it that Ti and Do always wanted students to serve in the dissemination of their Next Level mind by writing and talking and even thinking – (the strains of humans could benefit from thoughts and behaviors and ways of their students, as they could also be hampered by them, though all can be made a positive of), as shown in the audio tapes we have access to.

Why are you trying to suppress the expression of the many connections of Ti and Do’s material to the “records” and what they said and did that they never recorded in the years before they started taping that those who were with them then heard and experienced?

-I agree that dreams are not a way to receive instructions or new information yet you keep repeating that as if I did say that.

Rkkody did write about the Next Level. There is the document, “what if they’re right” and the other I’m aware of was “During a brief window of time some may wish to follow us”.

Here is the later one with Rkkody interpreting what DO said. But before I provide it, maybe you can answer a question I have – who is “we” in this document? I only ask that in case it was you, NOT to criticize Rkkody. I am NOT saying I disagree with what he says here. Plus, why is it that you allowed yourself to be photographed holding Deb’s book “Closing the Gate”?:

“When Do said: “During a brief window of time, some may wish to follow us” we don’t feel
this is limited only to former class members and to the best of our knowledge He did not
assign anyone the task of announcing when that gate was closed. None of us are qualified to
determine how long this brief window exists.

When we have our Older Member with us, we are not assigned tasks by having a little voice
come into our heads saying “I think I have this task to do.” We learned very early not
to trust any thoughts that would come into our heads or listen to little voices telling us
we should do this or that. Ti and Do did not ask anyone to leave the class because They
felt an individual might have another Next Level mission outside of the classroom, however,
some were asked to separate from the class in order to work on their overcoming at a
distance.

Those who chose to leave the class, left entirely because they chose NOT to continue
serving their Older Member.

[Are we who left not serving our Older Member if we disseminate their information?]

We learned by experience that when an Older Member is present on the planet, any
communication from the Next Level is directed through Their representative. It is
considered very inappropriate to make suggestions to this Representative (Ti and Do), for
tasks we may want to do. If The Next level wanted us to do a task They would assign it
through our Older Member directly (verbally), not by mental telepathy or little voices in
our heads. We are not aware that Do assigned anyone the task of announcing when the “Brief
Window” is closed. No one can say with certainty that this “brief window” is closed.
Only an Older Member from the Next Level would be in a position to state when that gate is
closed. And we are not aware of any Older Members here now.”

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jason (crlody) comments on 3spm (sawyer’s youtube channel):

“Once we leave, then base your decisions using the criteria of the information we’ve left behind for you” DRR. “only through a REP, or information left behind by a REP, can an individual learn what it takes to become a new creature that is acceptable to enter the Kingdom of Heaven”-SMM.

“Any information that seems to come through that cant be helpful in the overcoming process might have earmarks of being separate or unnecessary information, and I don’t feel that our Father’s Kingdom sends unnecessary information. That’s what happens when questions come up that have relatively no significance, no real relationship to our overcoming. We can get into theorizing about things that might go on in the heavens that really have nothing to do with our overcoming. And we can play the game of exploring a little bit, but it opens the door to possibly listening to other voices or letting SELF come in, and/or playing the game of “what if” or guessing what it might be……We feel like it really isn’t important; it’s of no issue to your overcoming”-Do.

Hmmmm, sort of like speculating about Ceres and on and on. Fun little games but irrelevant as far as one’s overcoming. “If you can look at it in that light, and just simply be amused by it, because we’re not trying to lock in on what we’re doing with fulfillment of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation” Do.

So, when Do was here He didn’t care much about these kind of speculations but now that He’s gone the Next Level has tasked you, Sawyer, with interpreting Revelation in order to prove who Ti and Do are along with all the other speculations that you have engaged in. And I’m supposed to believe that all these things that you speculate on are part of a task for the Next Level? Your interpretations of Revelation and things that are happening on Ceres or anywhere in the heavens aren’t going to help anyone with their overcoming. And if they can’t help anyone with their overcoming then they have “no real significance”, they are “fun little games but irrelevant”. I think that sums up your self-appointed mission derived from your dreams quite well, it’s a fun little game that you’re playing Sawyer but it is irrelevant. And if it’s irrelevant I think it’s a pretty strong possibility that your mission wasn’t imparted to you by Ti and Do. And if your self-appointed task didn’t come from Ti and Do then where did it come from Sawyer??

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Sawyer’s reply:

CRL ODY and anyone who comes upon this:

I don’t know what you are trying to prove by Drrody and Smmody’s quotes. I do use as my critera the information left behind. Read and watch everything and see for yourself. It’s why I don’t post the myriad of things I come across that I can’t link in some way to things I observed and learned in the classroom which at this time includes everything Jesus said in the red letters and in his direct references to the Book of Revelations that Ti and Do also referenced parts of and never said couldn’t include all of it, though admittedly I can be off to degrees in some of what I think I understand. That’s part of what we are up against now. Millions think those scriptures mean this and that when I can see more of what they mean. The same with the many “SIGNS” in the heavens. Ti and Do introduced me to the SIGNS via paying attention to the way the Next Level delivered lessons during the solstices and equinox. In the 1990’s DO instigated our examination of preachers talking about prophecy. Srrody even started to teach himself to read Hebrew that DO instigated the option to do. What did that have to do with our “overcoming”. Everything, I say because DO instigated it. Ti and Do instigated the view of a Comet as a sign, not me, when they spoke about how comet kohoutek came to perihelion when their car broke down in St. Louis and they rented that car using one of DO’s old credit cards that resulted in their arrest later.

It was TI and DO that said their first 3 points of awakening were that they were from outer space, the Kingdom of Heaven, here to “bring updates to the bible” and to “fulfill prophecy”. They never listed all the updates to the bible. But they did assign Dncody the task of “rewriting the bible” as I understood it, though I never heard anything further about that until Dncody left.

And you will note I spent a great deal of time with the fact that the New Horizon’s spacecraft photographed Pluto with the teachings from Ti and Do that Pluto could have been a spacecraft Lab, so again not from my mind to think.

The Overcoming Classroom was not a time to spend hardly any time on prophecy or Jesus teachings or the Revelations so yes it was amusing to do. But now when there are millions who say they believe in Jesus yet refuse to look at his (The same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus) I believe is crucial to offering them that “look”. However, that’s not why I wrote a book about it. I wrote the book because I had to write the book and I don’t care that many hate me and it for doing so. I’m in good company for it, that I know. So go ahead carlan, get your beef off, shoot your arrows, join the thousands who do the same if that’s what so floats your boat. It’s your choice just like I’m making my choices. I wonder if you ever think about what Do might say today about what I’ve written? Do you ever consult with DO about what you write against me? I do think about what Do might say about the things I write to you and admit have to hold the way the influences would have me use my tongue.

Are you against people seeing more about Ti and Do because they had a sense about things Jesus said and his prophecies and the signs of the times? Some have told me that’s what brought them to looking at Ti and Do, so nothing you can say will stop me from continuing. I will stop when Ti and Do decide it’s enough and I’m no longer capable or exit this vehicle by whatever means.

My whole book is full of these kinds of observations linking things (Signs) Ti and Do and/or Jesus said a tiny bit about that I ended up seeing as interpretations of the Revelations and Jesus gospel teachings so your finding fault with my efforts is once again far astray.

But even so, at the very least you can write me off as “playing the game of exploring a little bit,” as Do indicated was okay, didn’t he. He didn’t say it was wrong to do did he? He didn’t give instruction to those who might believe and want to serve after His overcoming classroom had finished, what they could be interested in exploring, did he? He did give instructions on what the formula was and he put it into Three types with the overall formula being stated by Jwnody in ‘”Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure’: that is summed up as the overriding qualification being to “Stand for Ti and Do” until we exit.

I know what that means and it’s hardly a static sending files to people or talking on video’s or writing blogs but that time of test of each one of us is only just beginning, I assure you.

Many people can see right through your making absolute statements about what will help anyone with their overcoming. That’s evidence of the same self righteous indignation as we see throughout the religions that you never saw out of Ti or Do’s mouth yet you use it as a mockery of me.

I try to discern between those “other voices” Do might be referring to. I’ve heard a bunch. Sometimes I can be off track in that regard, I know and sure I can let SELF come in and I know well how “what if” can distract from accepting the truth and we can make up excuses for anything but doing the tasks we’ve been given to “STAND for TI and DO” is the overriding task at this time is it not.

By the way, if you are going to quote DO then I think it would be DISTORTING what he said to capitalize a word that wasn’t capitalized in the original document. I know I have “SELF”, don’t you? Who are you working for to spend all this time and energy with nothing to say but draw straws that might be construed as criticism of me with the hope for what – to get me to stop talking about Ti and Do and MY relationship with them?

To follow is the segment CRL ODY was partially quoting from Beyond Human, Session 7, which brings a better context as well as there were many instances in the classroom to be heard in the audio tapes, even on the Blackhawk tapes where DO did explore certain subjects stimulated by classmates questions and sometimes He or Ti would say it’s not important to our task. It is quite clear that the “classroom” with the Older Members has passed and now it’s in a different phase. We don’t have instructions on what to eat and what not to eat, what kind of things we find pleasure in, what kind of out of craft tasks to seek, what kind things to study or research or inquire about. But that doesn’t mean Ti and Do want us to stop our seeking of the truth through any avenues we choose.

Here’s Do’s statement:

“There’s so much that I can’t understand from where I sit, because even playing the role of teacher and a vessel with students and potentially with more students, relatively very little information is funneled through that Teacher role. Because only the information that is funneled can be helpful. Any information that seems to come through that can’t be helpful in the overcoming process might have earmarks of being separate or unnecessary information, and I don’t feel that our Father’s Kingdom sends unnecessary information. That’s what happens when questions come up that have relatively no significance, no real relationship to our overcoming. We can get into theorizing about things that might go on in the heavens that really have nothing to do with our overcoming. And we can play the game of exploring a little bit, but it opens the door to possibly listening to other voices or letting self come in, and/or playing the game of “what if” or guessing what it might be. I know that at times we, Ti and I, have guessed. When we do guess at questions that the students might ask, we try to say, “We don’t know. We’re guessing. It hasn’t been clarified to us.” And ultimately, after discussing it for a moment, we usually say, “We feel like it really isn’t important; it’s of no issue here to your overcoming.” What is shared is so limited – we know so little of that Kingdom.”

Jesus was also in the teaching role so to examine what he said to “observe” in his coming, which Ti and Do talked about as coming after they left, is part of that, though that coming was not a “teaching task” incarnate as they had. They said that in the document that was printed in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary. Here is a link to little parts of it I transcribed so you can see I didn’t make it up and am not “guessing” about it either or listening to other voices.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

I only answer you, so your voice is not left unchecked in this public square, the same as I do with all the trolls and mockers and judgemental scoffers. You are most often making “false accusations” against your neighbor (me), but I guess you don’t know any better so I’m not angry with you. You appear to hold yourself as the only former member who is righteous. You had no forgiveness for XF, nor me for the few things I have admitted not being proud of saying. (That’s not saying I think a lot of what I say is of value necessarily). Even though it’s easy to point out things Mark and Sarah and Rio have said as not from Ti and Do’s mind or the opposite, you resorted to name calling and condemnation of them when you have no right in Ti and Do’s mind to do so.

Bring specific things up to me and I’ll address them one by one. If you don’t agree then at least you’ve offered me something. These quotes from DO are welcomed but so far are hard to see as applying to now in the exact same way they applied to the classroom.

Do spoke of Armageddon. The only place that’s mentioned is in the Revelations. He spoke of how the Next Level would come back (after his exit). He spoke about the way the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens would be creating their last ditch effort to capture souls. He spoke about the most accurate meaning of rapture. He spoke about the Revelation 12 woman, but that one you may not know about and lots more so I’m following in excellent footsteps even though I am perhaps doing a poor job.

Another set of accusations against sawyer by crlody that are totally false and why:

http://www.sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2018/03/01/rkkodys-standing-for-ti-and-do-and-sawyers-reply-to-more-crlody-accusations/

DO’s reference to His Students as the Twenty four “Elders” in the Revelation

October 19, 2017

Question to Sawyer:

So when in the Beyond Human tapes Do talked about students of his potentially being other’s older members, it is still separate from adult Older Members? I’m speaking of the part where he talked about being “grandfather” to younger members.?

Reply from Sawyer:

Here is the segment from session one of the Beyond Human series that I believe is part of what you are referring to: (Two students were sitting with DO during filming acting as his “helpers” with questions)

“Well, this little classroom that dwindled to 50, and then dwindled down to a couple dozen, have now reached a condition where they have overcome the world enough to relate in a position up a notch as Elders, or Older Members, to anyone else that they can help in their own overcoming. Yes, that means these two here who’ve been sitting here this whole hour with me and haven’t asked me a blooming thing (laughs). But, I know they like to hear about the Kingdom of Heaven. And they know how filled I am with it. And I know how filled they are with it.”

(Note this is also where DO indicates his students then were numbered at “a couple dozen” and were “elders” that can be related directly to the prophecies in Revelations about the “four and twenty elders”)

In terms of DO being a “grandfather” to some who at that time he considered might be watching those same Beyond Human video’s in the future, he said in Session 11 that was part of his response about Next Level patience:

“I can imagine that sometimes, as some of the classroom watches these tapes, they can recognize that there’s a certain amount of relationship that I might be having with the viewer on the other end of that camera that might be slightly different from my relationship with them at times. I think we’ve even discussed it. In a sense, I almost feel like a twice-removed…or a grandfather speaking to a grandchild. Of course, I’m speaking to you as someone who might be wondering if they are standing outside of the vehicle that they are using, and wondering if they want to take it over and pursue this. And since we are given the task of trying to give that to you, and since we’re so eager for you to participate in it, for it to become yours, then we are influenced by that.”

Then in session 9 DO indicates that he might end up being a “grandfather” to those watching this video because graduate students might then become “teachers”

(Since making these tapes were the “Step” given to him from his Older Member, TI (while Ti was outside the vehicle Ti took), DO didn’t know at that time they’d all be exiting together and he didn’t know if He would exit before them, which he also addressed by referring to people coming in this direction towards connection with Him and His Kingdom afterwards as needing to seek to “connect” with an “Active Student”. See the documents, “DO’s Intro: Purpose – Belief” and “Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure
By Jwnody – dated April 8, 1996):

“But I want to make the point a little bit more clearly that these sessions and these tapes are, in a sense, teaching tools for the students – to get that idea a little more clearly in our heads. In other words, my relationship with you in a sense is symbolic, and in a sense it isn’t. If this task proceeds, my relationship with you might end up being more as grandfather to grandson, and these students might serve more in the capacity as teacher since they are older than you. I don’t know if that has clarified in your mind, but it might have if other things that we have said had added up at this time. If they have completed sufficient overcoming of their own in this task, and they received instruction to put the information out, even though the way that instruction came was to do it in this method, then they are in a real sense going to serve in the teacher role with you, or in a sense, in the “midwifing” or the father relationship, if you don’t use that as a spiritual term. In other words, if they have completed enough overcoming that they could move right now into our Father’s Kingdom, and even move into a physical vehicle of our Father’s Kingdom, no longer occupying the vehicle they are in, whether this one or the one that they’re in is changed over into that new vehicle or another one altogether, then they don’t need to come back to the human kingdom unless sent. That’s the instruction we have received – that that’s the case.”

Now my use of the term “Adult” came from DO, but I don’t know how to locate it, but may be in the audio tapes we have access to as I believe he would have said it while Ti was incarnate. I recall DO saying that the term adultery meant, “not becoming an adult”, which in it’s purest form means that person has compromised their commitment to the teachings of the most current Older Member REP from the Next Level. That commitment or said as “covenant” grew with each trimester in the overall “overcoming classroom” to where by Ti and Do’s arrival meant to have no commitment to anyone else besides DO (As TI instructed us to “make our committal to DO).

Update: I found one place where that was documented in a little booklet Ti and Do and a crew put together that I only first saw after we moved into houses around 1980. It was called “Ruffles Snacks for Thinkers”.

-“To commit adultery could mean that one fails to act like an adult.”

-“Man does not have to see things as he always saw them before. Man is designed to see things as he never saw them before—to see them in a higher way than ever before. This is the kind of change that must take place before man becomes an adult.”

Here is a link to Ruffles on my blog: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/ruffles-snacks-for-thinkers/

But I also thought I read or heard that term “adult” used as referring to a Next Level Older or Younger Member vehicle, neither of which any of the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens ever had. (DO indicated in Session 1 of the Beyond Human Series that the vehicle Lucifer had when he was serving in the Next Level was “certainly not born of woman”. This is recorded in Beyond Human Session 1. Here is that segment:

“We’ve already discussed that we believe that in the Jewish and Christian literature, the physical record is there connecting those people with the real Kingdom of God. And they speak of someone else. They speak of an individual that was once in the household of God, in the literal Heavens, was a son of God and
got too big for his britches, and thought that he could do a better job than his Father, or his Older Member. Not that he was born of a wife of his Father, because the body that he had in the Kingdom of Heaven was certainly not born of woman. Don’t forget that in the Kingdom of Heaven, babies are born by the souls that overcome the human condition. When they overcome the human condition and then are moved into the Kingdom of Heaven, then they’re “babies.” And those that took them in are then like their foster parents or their keepers, their babysitters, their teachers, their rabbi’s, their connection, their “piece of pipe,” their link with the Chief of Chiefs of that Kingdom.”

DO refers to “babies” in the Next Level and how their vehicles are grown as “Next Level bodies” in “’88 UPDATE – THE UFO TWO AND THEIR CREW”: (The Luciferians never graduated to receive Next Level bodies, though they weren’t born of woman either so must have been some model of physical vehicle that still had the capacity to act in mammalian ways).

“Our understanding is that Next Level bodies (the normal bodies for that Kingdom level, in the same way that human bodies are the norm for the human kingdom) are grown as plants from a vine, and at the end of their gestation period, they are fully grown and functional, not “babies” as are the products of human “seed-bearing plants.” There seem to be actual grafting processes used and genetic binding from Older Members. “I am the vine, ye are the branches” – could that mean something more than previously thought?”

In the Blackhawk audio tapes DO talks about how Adam’s body, (though also not born of woman) went through a “reverse metamorphosis” into human behaviors. Since Ti and Do taught that the Adam experiment was set up to become a testing ground for new membership for Souls who had grown to some equivalent degree to the Luciferian souls, I surmised that Adam’s vehicle may have been of some equivalence to the vehicles grown for the Luciferians to use when they began to serve the Next Level in crews in spacecrafts.

If you ever come upon the use of Adult or Student in reference to a Next Level “grown” vehicle please let me know. But I may cease using those terms and replace them with more appropriate terms that are regularly used by Ti and Do and Crew even though it may require more words.

 

Pineapple Street and CNN produce new podcast and doc with some new looks at TI and DO’s infamous Heaven’s Gate

October 11, 2017

There are two new broadcasts re: Heaven’s Gate about to be aired.

The first one is produced by the Pineapple Street Media, a 10 part podcast series that starts for premium members of Stitcher.com today October 10, 2017 and will be broadcast on Stitcher for free on October 18, 2017.

Snap Judgement’s Glynn Washington is the host.

Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate

The second one is by CNN and is to be aired on October 29, 2017. Here is a brief lead to their broadcast:

The Mystery of Heaven’s Gate (airdate: Oct. 29) In the mid-1970s, hundreds of people begin disappearing without a trace. Distraught families are left wondering about their loved ones for decades, until March of 1997, when shocking news about a mysterious religious group makes headlines around the world. Told through exclusive interviews with those who experienced this event firsthand…this episode follows the story of Heaven’s Gate.

This story was produced as part of season two of this series listed entirely via this link:

HLN True Crime Docuseries “How It Really Happened with Hill Harper” Returns for Second Season Oct. 15

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Here are a couple articles announcing the podcast broadcast:

New podcast investigates Heaven’s Gate ritualistic mass suicide
http://www.10news.com/home/new-podcast-investigates-heavens-gate-ritualistic-mass-suicide

ABC10 out of Los Angeles report by Amanda Brandels – amanda.brandeis@10news.com <amanda.brandeis@10news.com>;

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (KGTV) – A podcast set to be released this month takes a deeper look into the Heaven’s Gate ritualistic mass suicide, which left 39 people dead in a Rancho Santa Fe mansion.

Produced by Stitcher, listeners will hear from family members, experts and those who still believe in the group’s theological principles.

Host Glynn Washington, raised in a cult himself, helps uncover new insights and perspectives about the event, which rocked the nation and world.

A first glimpse of the podcast is available here.

Listeners can subscribe now and listen to the first episode on Oct. 18.

You can listen to the podcast one week early and ad-free by becoming a premium member.

Stitcher is owned by the parent company of 10News, the E.W. Scripps Company.

Copyright 2017 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate

twitter: @heavensgateshow
facebook /heavensgateshow
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Here is another article:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/missing-richard-simmons-host-dan-taberski-joins-heavens-gate-podcast-1046028

‘Missing Richard Simmons’ Host Dan Taberski Joins ‘Heaven’s Gate’ Podcast (Exclusive)

8:33 AM PDT 10/5/2017 by Natalie Jarvey

The 10-episode project, which will explore what led to one of the largest mass suicides in U.S. history, will be hosted by Glynn Washington.

Dan Taberski is reuniting with the team behind Missing Richard Simmons for a new podcast that will explore what happened inside the Heaven’s Gate cult.

The Missing Richard Simmons host is joining Heaven’s Gate as a writer. The 10-episode project will be hosted by Glynn Washington of Snap Judgment.

Washington told The Hollywood Reporter that the podcast won’t just focus on the mass suicide of Heaven’s Gate members; it will also delve into the lives of the people who joined the group and seek to answer questions about how the suicide happened.

Washington spoke to family members, survivors and other people involved with Heaven’s Gate for the project. “These people are real people who made real choices for real reasons, and we wanted to explore that,” he said.

Washington explained that his interest in the topic comes from his own background growing up in a cult (his family was a part of a religious organization called the Worldwide Church of God). “The lens through which the project is viewed is my own,” he said. “I can’t do this without bringing my own background to these questions.”

Washington said that Taberski was an important addition to the team. “He’s got a great touch as a writer,” he added. “Bringing Dan on is a demonstration of how much excitement [there is] about this project and the commitment to making sure that it works.”

Heaven’s Gate hails from Stitcher, which is a part of E.W. Scripps’ Midroll Media podcasting division, and is being produced in collaboration with Pineapple Street Media. It is set to premiere Oct. 18. The trailer can be listened to here.

Natalie.Jarvey@thr.com
twitter: @natjarv
HollywoodReporter.com

 

Introduction to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate by Sawyer

October 6, 2017

I have had a stock statement I always sent to people who come to my facebook page and request to become a “friend”. I just updated it since some new media is being publicized by a couple big media groups who I gave interviews to. That’s what follows:

Introduction to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate by Sawyer

For the record, I am not starting a group or cult or trying to be anyone’s leader, or teacher, nor fostering any kind of relationship with anyone sexual or otherwise beyond communications related to my 19 years of experience as a student in Ti and Do’s “classroom”. The “classroom” as it was under Ti and Do’s direction does not and can not exist anymore. And I’ve never kept track of who tells me they believe in Ti and Do.

I discourage anyone who tells me they are considering suicide. That has happened several times over the years.

I don’t believe anyone now is in the same place as those 38 students who laid down their human lives in 1997. Dying is not an automatic ticket into Heaven as has been generally taught in some religious and spiritual belief systems. DO and Crew wrote,

“We know that it is only while we are in these physical vehicles (bodies) that we can learn the lessons needed to complete our own individual transition, as well as to complete our task of offering the Kingdom of Heaven to this civilization one last time. We take good care of our vehicles so they can function well for us in this task, and we try to protect them from any harm.”

You can read more about how they thought about suicide in this document that is posted on the Heavens Gate Website that I re-posted to my blog at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/23/our-position-against-suicide-by-do-and-crew-posted-on-heavensgate-com/

Further perspectives of suicide are explained in a document one of Ti and Do’s students wrote that was included in their Heaven’s Gate Book, along with many other subjects is here:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/evolutionary-rights-for-victims/

Here is a link to Ti and Do’s first public statement written in 1975:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-first-statement/

A free download is still available of DO and Crews Book entitled, ‘How and When “Heaven’s Gate” (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered’, from their website:

http://www.heavensgate.com

Though I know well my two former classmates who still maintain that website, I have no affiliation.

I provide most of the same documents, plus links to the Beyond Human video series and other related materials TI and DO and Crew made on my blog at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/book-appendix-links/
(This document is the appendix of my book)

Here is a link to one of three audio tapes that were recorded of both Ti and Do speaking. There are many more available freely to those who ask for them:

Blackhawk 1 of 3 – Ti and Do re adam eve lucifers prison

To see some of what DO wrote about the Space Aliens in an informational ad placed in USA Today on May 27 1993:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/06/27/usa-today-adstatement-may-27-1993-by-do-the-rev-6-applewhite-horse/

To see what DO wrote when he felt it time to state he was the return of the same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus. He never said he was “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level took to perform his task through:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/10/22/undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

My book, entitled, ‘TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses’ is available for free and for purchase as an ebook and/or softcover.

Here is the link to my book web site that also includes a big section of the book on the blog there:

http://www.tianddothefatherandjesusheavensgateufotwowitnesses.com/
(Purchasing it through this link goes through my publisher so is not the most economical way to get the softcover.)

My book is free by copying and pasting from my blog. Here is the link to the first of seven sections of the book. It’s very long so I had to break it up to post it all:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/01/26/ti-and-do-the-father-and-jesus-heavens-gate-ufo-two-witnesses/
(Just search my blog on the title for the remaining 6 sections)

More economical and practical ways to get my book is by buying the ebook using a Kindle reader off of Amazon and/or as a softcover on Barnes and Nobel and like I said through my publisher who also has a number of other ebook formats available.

For the record, though I do collect royalties for book sales, I did not write it to make money with. To make money with it, there were many other ways to write it.

Though I believe the writing of this book was a task Ti and Do offered me to do, I can’t prove that to anyone as I never received that task from their mouth, so perhaps it’s not. I did not leave their “classroom” to perform such task. I flunked out and simply have another chance to learn the lessons I needed to learn.

The book’s content attempts to bring evidence of how Ti and Do were the fulfillment of all of Jesus’ (Second Coming) prophecies to include the Book of Revelations, though much of that material is still in process of fulfillment. I did a great deal of translation examination that took me into the Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek word manuscript origins.

Plus I always strove to stay in context. Ti and Do always said that the Next Level worked very hard to preserve an accurate enough record of what Jesus said, as seen in a red letter edition of the New Testament.

Believe it or not, that doesn’t make me religious or even Christian, in the ways those labels imply. They are historic records and the religions arose as a distortion and dilution of what Jesus taught, mostly occurring by the varied interpretations of those records.

Also for the record, there are some who have posed as facebook “friends” trying to catch or harass me in some way, which I know is part of the territory to deal with, which is why I say all this to new “friends”. I never make a friend requests though I have joined some groups to be included in certain conversations to share some of what I’ve learned as I know there are some who are interested when they hear certain perspectives about Ti and Do and Crew.

However I never automatically preach or bring up Ti and Do but am also not slow to talk about them should something they say stimulate a perspective I got from them.

There is a heavensgate facebook group that I did not start but I was included as a owner of the group. I only keep it active to keep it away from charlatans, however seemingly well intended. I only say this to explain it’s presence on my facebook page Sawyerhg.wordpress.com since it would appear to be a group I support but do not.

Many of the friends on this facebook page are simply curious and most often I don’t know who believes in Ti and Do and to what degree and don’t seek to find out. There are a few exceptions who have helped me with little projects and to which I have helped them with their little projects, like videos.

But there are no secret pacts or plots or core new believers. We each only answer to Ti and Do in our individual relationships the same as anyone, whether people know of Ti and Do or not.

Many of us humans have had a real relationship with the Next Level, thinking of Them as their Heavenly Father or their Higher Power or God or Allah or Buddha or Krishna, etc. At the same time many use such terms and think they have a connection they don’t as Jesus said would happen during this time period especially. Even so we can’t judge another in this regard. Even if a human is acting in ways that are contrary to Next Level qualifying behaviors and ways, none of us know when they might change and how fast.

Ti and Do indicated that there are no other Older Members on earth to perform this task and none to come during this civilization so anyone who claims to be their return or their reincarnation or to be receiving information from them, like as a channel or as a remote viewer, contactee or psychic reader, or using the name Jesus or other Biblical figures as in the Two Witnesses are either deluded, even tricked by the various lower forces or lying.

TI and DO said that choosing to become an atheist can be a good step away from religion and spirituality, though all paths in the human kingdom can lead to the top of the human mountain. However, there is only one way off that mountain top and that’s by going through the lesson steps provided by someone who evolved beyond the human kingdom, evidenced by their teaching the separation from the human kingdom (even though it will be in degrees and always by our own choices).

One of ways to correctly interpret the term antichrist could be as one who is anti the Christing process that of course Jesus established. That “process” is the overcoming process that each human must engage by seeking the Mind (holy spirit) – from the Next Level via the information they taught while incarnate. Calling on the name Jesus can be answered by any number of discarnates or Luciferian space alien fallen angel souls which is part of why Jesus taught to project our asking to our “Father in Heaven” as the discarnates and space aliens can not actually travel very far from the earth anymore.

Thus when we see “signs” in outer space, perhaps as near as the moon, since Jesus said they would be in the Sun, Moon and Stars that would include planets and comets, etc., they are from the Next Level.

I am transparent with my life but not with personal info or the personal info on any other former members of the group who I still have some contact with whether they still believe in Ti and Do or not.

If you wish to review my little bio, for whatever it might be worth, it’s found on my blog at:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/sawyers-storyraptured-by-the-rev-11-two-witnesses-bo-dojesus-and-peeptifathers-second-coming/

How Sawyer fell by giving into sexuality in Ti & Do’s classroom and then dropping out by choice:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/sawyers-experience-with-sexuality-in-ti-dos-classroom/

Here are some Q and A but there are a lot more on my blog:

I was asked if I still followed the teachings of Ti and Do.

Sawyer’s reply: yes, as best I can, like according to the “Major and Lesser Offenses” and the “17 Steps” and other guidelines, though in this very different application, not having Ti or Do or fellow classmates present and having gone back into the world and started a human family, who I continue to help (now 20 yr old daughter), but I have had no relationships or sexuality with anyone for the last four years. However, I do find myself slipping in some of the behaviors at times so it’s a continuous process to maintain. When we slip from the standards, whether they are Ti and Do’s and/or the Jesus standards, it’s important not to let that become a reason to become separate minded from Ti and Do, that is if we want to be of one Mind with them. We can easily think that if I don’t do everything perfectly I might as well not do anything – a Luciferian ploy to turn our eyes away from doing our best for Ti and Do and their Next Level. The Next Level doesn’t need any of us to believe in them in any way. We must qualify to their standards though they give us lots of help and time to do. The traps are many but we can recover from all of them to keep moving forward.

To someone who says they have started a “Heaven’s Gate Militia” I replied:

I don’t condone violence against the govt or anyone. If we were to think of ourselves as soldiers for Ti and Do (of the real Jesus) it would be by use of our mouth – in words – the words that Ti and Do and Jesus provided us (that they also said included the red letters in the gospels, and their references to the Book of Revelations to help people see their ideas, perspectives and qualifications to become a prospective member of their Next Level Above Human.

The truth about Ti and Do will soon be lost as upon their exit started the gradual diminishing of the “light” they brought to the world. If you want a bundle of their materials give me an email address as the bundle includes audio files of meetings within the group since the early 1980’s that I was present for.

There are many misconceptions abounding and in Christian circles. Many started with the writings of Paul of Tarsus who never knew Jesus and never received instruction from him, nor was he tasked as a delegate (apostle) on his behalf. An Older Member doesn’t come incarnate if there is any other way to teach their student body what it takes to make application into membership in the Next Level.

For Christians to base what they believe on what Moses wrote, except for the things Jesus said to believe and act on, is like applying lessons given to toddler Souls when by the Jesus time they could be having a high school curriculum approaching graduation.

For instance Ti and Do were not pro or con abortion. They are always pro choice though our choices are not always going to be what they would choose and it’s not easy knowing what they would choose unless we ask them to reveal it to us.

Ti and Do said it was against their Next Level ways to be making weapons designed to kill other humans let alone using them for killing. There is no justification, but that’s to please the Next Level, which is always a choice.

Ti and Do said that it doesn’t matter one’s sexual preferences as to graduate the human kingdom one must become non-sexual because Members of the Next Level are non-sexual so one needs to build their Mind starting in the human kingdom to be “born” into their kingdom. I recall DO saying that those who are homosexual have overcome gender consciousness, though not necessarily sexual consciousness.

Ti and Do said we were all striving to be “color blind” in terms of race so we don’t act any differently to someone based on the race of their vehicle.

TI and DO were supportive of euthanasia when a human vehicle is so wrought with pain and/or has no capacity any longer to function and/or have experiences to learn lessons through.

There really is no comparison with Ti and Do and any other cults. Ti and Do referred to their group as the “cult of cults” and the “cult of truth”. There is a great deal of evidence of how Ti and Do had a way of naturally filtering out those who were not serious enough to go the full distance of graduating though they always treated each student as if they could go that full distance.

There were no abuses and there is no dirt in the Ti and Do story. Some have tried to find dirt and didn’t find any, even after listening to hundreds of hours of audio tapes. Even a number of dropouts who ceased to believe in Ti and Do have next to nothing to say against them. One said that they didn’t provide enough dental care options to students, though I got plenty of dental care. Yes there were lots of rules that developed over time but never any yelling or use of guilt or punishments or other human behaviors that are common in many organizations.

Sawyer’s Defense of Accusations Made by Former Classmate Carlan

September 19, 2017

For those that don’t know, this has gone on for probably close to ten years now. If anyone wants to see most of the history search my blog for Carlan or Crlody or Crl ody. I have claimed he makes things up, thus lies. Other times he has a point I take to heart. I have always said to him or anyone else that I’m open to criticism but it does little good to just throw out opinions when the point to this blog is to bring as much experience as I can to what Ti and Do taught. I am not against Carlan. I respect him but that doesn’t mean what he says is automatically true any more than what I say is automatically true. Ti and Do are the ultimate judges of each of us.

Here is Carlan aka Crlody’s latest list of accusations against me (in two sections) and what I am saying in my defense. I took apart his latest comment on this blog and made them into a list so I could address each and add to them if he brings up more. I want him to have his voice and I welcome constructive criticism but most of these points to me are trite and without substance as they are all about what he thinks I think about myself and how I justify what I do in writing the book, “TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses” that he opposes for some reason I have yet to understand, except in the way we all know that the more we continue the war of words against the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls and their human pawns (who don’t usually know they are pawns).

That “war” is fought by revealing more of  what’s true about Ti and Do which includes how Ti and Do were 100% consistent with all Jesus taught in the 4 gospel records (as Ti and Do said those writings could still be counted upon to be accurate because the Next Level worked very hard to be sure they remained in tact to provide clues for returning Next Level Members.

So I am putting it on record so I can just refer to it next time he posts these things as he has done many times, though I hope that’s never necessary as there are going to be much, much bigger issues to deal with in the upcoming months for all who come in this direction of “standing for Ti and Do” which is the primary and perhaps only way to stand up for the real Jesus at this time, that is for those who know about Ti and Do. Those who never hear of Ti and Do are judged by they own choices as are all, but are judged differently that those who learn about Ti and Do and Crew and ignore or go against them in some way.

Ti and Do’s judgement of us is never exercised by us as we don’t have that capacity to judge others value to the Next Level no matter what they have done, though we don’t condone breaking of the Next Level’s commandments that Jesus gave the most recent summary of in his gospels.

SECTION ONE:

So each point below was copied from what Carlan wrote followed by my reply:

1) If you believe in Ti and Do so strongly why would you continue to stay here for over 20 years after Do extended an invitation to leave?

Sawyer’s reply:

Because it’s my choice to not leave at this time.

2) Why do you care more about your blog and videos than the audio tapes made by Ti and Do?

Sawyer’s reply:

I don’t value my blog more than the audio tapes. They are not comparable in any way and as I’ve said over and over to you, we have what we have of the audio tapes and I KNOW it’s enough or Ti and Do would have seen to it that we had them all. Even so, what can I do about it. I tried a number of times to get Mark to give or sell them. You keep bringing this up yet where is your plan of action to get them. Why did DO and Crew say so many times in the letters sent to them that it was their task to decide how to handle the contents of storage and a number of other aspects.

Now I have a question, which I’ve asked before but seldom if any get a response from you…

Why did Rkkody give the audio tape masters back to Mark, even the masters pre Ti’s exit that he had copied by then? Why didn’t he copy them all first since he was suspicious of Mark and Sarah’s intentions to do the right thing, as I understand it.

I recall Gnrody telling me on the phone that right after the exit event, Sarah said to Gnrody something to the affect of, “how could they do this to us”. If I were Rkkody and heard that and knew that Mark had turned over the task to retrieve the contents of storage and had blacked out their names on one or more of those letters they received from the Class, (I don’t recall why some were blacked out while another wasn’t), I would be quite suspicious of their choices thereafter. But perhaps he took the high side and figured they had a change of mind. And since he read those letters he knew it was the intention of DO that Mark and Sarah have that task of deciding what to do with the storage contents, even though it was spelled out that Rkkody and Oscody could be used to retrieve the contents.

But maybe I’m wrong about how that all developed. If so what can you share about that and Rkkody’s choices to give all the tape masters to Mark and Sarah?

3) Why do you repeatedly bring up your 19 years in the Class as if that somehow makes you the most qualified individual on the planet to talk about Ti and Do?

Sawyer’s reply:

I bring up the 19 years because it’s true and experience can have value. I agree that it doesn’t have to be of value. But when someone asks a question, such as about when Ti scheduled the pickup in around 1980, I can tell the truth as I experienced it because I was there. So people will know that I am a first hand witness from almost the start in 1975.

I admit wholeheartedly that it’s not a measure of who I am or how dedicated I am to Ti and Do or that I learned a certain amount of lessons because of or that I know Ti and Do better than anyone else. What I have are more examples of things they said and did and in some cases why when they told us.

Whether that makes me the most qualified on the planet to talk about Ti and Do is beyond my scope to think about and doesn’t float my boat at all, as grandiose as that sounds. Yet I MAY BE one of the most qualified to do so? You would also be one of the most qualified to talk about what you experienced because we both still believe in them so no matter how much time we spent at it, we both retained that recognition and that I believe is worth a great deal more to our prospect towards pleasing Ti and Do than any time amount. There were also over 60 ody’s originally, some of which have some number in the teens in the classroom. If they retained the memories some might be able to tell me things I didn’t know and thus I wouldn’t be all that highfalutin.

I have never said that to intimidate you and I’ve never told people how long you were in the classroom. Perhaps if were in reverse shoes I could be troubled by your saying that.

Why can’t I bring it up, that’s the bigger question I have for you? Do I have to walk on eggshells in that regard because it appears to others impressive and yet to others more proof that I was duped and/or had some hidden mental condition that didn’t alert me sooner to giving myself to cult leaders, thus then a deficiency to admit.

4) One of the main reasons why I know that your “mission” is entirely self-appointed is because you are so absolutely sure that its from Ti and Do, you don’t even seem to question it.

Sawyer’s reply:

In my opinion any of those who choose to take on the service of “standing for Ti and Do” – who take on that “project,” (as Do and Crew called it), to disseminate their information (I believe in all the ways that can happen, by voice or written word or by sending documents they wrote) so that people can “have a more thorough knowledge of what they were about” (as paraphrased from one of the letters sent to Mark and Sarah, that you sent me), with the class or a new believer is because of their choice “self-appointing” themselves to take on the tasks DO appointed in writing (but not specifically to individuals), with the exception of those who were outside the classroom they mentioned in the letters, though it was also broadened in the letter to say it applied to anyone who chose to take on that project.

So maybe it was a mistake to share my many dreams and thus shot myself in the foot to tell you and others about them, sort of setting you up by implying I got the dreams and you didn’t (or perhaps you didn’t share them), so that could be seen as being lessor to Ti and Do. But to me I was so asleep, perhaps I needed those dreams to wake up a little more and at the same time could go to my head as being someone special because of them and also challenge those who hadn’t.

And by the way, I never said or thought I was “absolutely sure” I have a task from Ti and Do to write about Jesus prophecy as that indication was never in any of the dreams. I admit getting that idea from the prophecy in Rev 5:1 regarding the “book written from within the throne” and the “backside” (of the book) and in Rev 10 regarding the “Little Book” not to be spoken about until the 7th Angels trumpet sounding time that happens after the Two Witnesses have ascended back to their heavenly abodes and another indication of prophecy talk in Rev 14, after the 4 Living Beings and 24 Elders had exited that is performed in the “mid-heaven” (middle heaven) (which I suspect referred to the internet primarily).

But if it was a task in addition to the project to disseminate their information and “stand for Ti and Do”, I still don’t know that I had and am performing that task to their liking.

And for the record it wasn’t one dream. There were over 10 perhaps, but some of the earliest ones sort of merge together in my memory, and not counting some that I highly suspect were counterfeits of Do and some students I suspected from what they said and what they didn’t say or what it felt like. But pertaining to having a writing task, as I interpreted it, 1 was from Ti in 2001, 2 from DO a couple years later and a number of years after that, 2-3 or so from Students: Jwnody, Lggody (indirectly) and years later from Lvvody and Jnnody and Nrrody if I recall. I had other dreams where Do was correcting me and others where Ti seemed to help me see Spirits for a couple months in three different settings but overall maybe 6 or 7 times and then I saw nothing and that was all over years ago.

5) You actually seem to expect the world to believe you just because of your interpretation of a dream that you had. You get very defensive whenever I state that your mission is self-appointed and you always bring up your 19 years of service as if that means that I should accept the things that you say. I don’t accept what Mark says or Rio the self-appointed “soul surviving member” so why should I believe a word that you say?

Sawyer’s reply:

No, I don’t expect anyone to believe or disbelieve anything I say but anyone could and don’t see any reason to think their coming into belief because of my instrumentation would be a negative whatsoever as I keep no records of who says what and when and about what and often don’t recall names and get no monetary reward so just how humanly self serving is it? I don’t really get turned on by people elevating me in my vehicle.

I’m not responsible for what Rio or anyone else says, so why do you make that comparison as if you are the supreme judge of everyone? Can you tell me why that keeps coming up?

6) You left the Class like many, many others and you had no interest in helping RKK distribute Their Info after They left, which was Their final instruction, get our information out.

Sawyer’s reply:

I didn’t even know about what Rkkody was doing then. I had fallen way back into human life but you bring up this point over and over again. If I were to take that point of view I could say I was out spreading Ti and Do’s information in 1975 and 1994 while you were not. What does that have to do with anything?

I suspect you are just copying and pasting this comment to me, making accusations that make no sense. At least telling me that I labeled my blog “Sawyer at Heaven’s Gate” is relative to all we are talking about, however important or not, which by the way I did fix to read “Sawyer’s Application to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate”. But I need to shorten that.

7) They didn’t say anything about you writing a book or making videos or your blog or altering the audio tapes by putting your flute music on it. You have claimed to have “contacts” with the NL and then accused me of making that up and then when I pointed out where you stated that you said I “took it out of context”.

Sawyer’s reply:

When did I alter the audio tapes by putting my flute music on them? There’s no flute music on the Blackhawk tapes and those are the only ones I posted on my YouTube channel. Perhaps someone else used my music in that way but I don’t recall that, so perhaps you can point me to where that is happening. Perhaps you could have asked me if I authorized that before adding it to your list of beefs against me. And even so, why do you think it’s justified to make up “commandments” like, Thou shalt not put flute music on Do’s audio tapes. That’s what the Catholics and Jews and others did after the REP left – they made up their own rules and twisted rules to suit what they wanted to do. If you could show me where Ti and Do would have frowned on such a thing I would take it off as perhaps I did slip in that regard. Oh, perhaps you are referring to my use of flute music on my blogtalkradio site. Maybe I did do that years ago. It sort of rings a bell now but even so why not. Were you as critical of Rkkody’s making mugs and stuff to try to generate income to help him distribute tapes? I wouldn’t do that but don’t know that Ti and Do would object to either.

Yes I have claimed to have contact with the Next Level and maybe I did say you took it out of context. You are referring to my book I think. When I searched it down I realized that you were right but then when I read it again, I realized we all have that contact if we seek it out. That’s what “prayer” is based on – seeking to “contact” the Next Level “Heavenly Fathers” – what Ti and Do at times called, “picking up the phone”. I didn’t claim to have exclusive contact and I didn’t claim that it was undeniable contact but since Ti and Do did teach that the Next Level used our dream time to help us with the next day’s lessons, so we had instruction very early on to go do sleep asking to have help to “remember our dreams”. Plus we had a few times where DO told us his dream and I think one time I recall with Ti but don’t recall it, though I do recall one Do told us when he was waiting in line and felt like he got hit in the butt and woke up feeling like the message was that he wasn’t as important as he might have thought he was and he actually awoke and hours later could still feel sore on his butt where he got hit somehow. And a time or two Ti and Do had a classmate tell of their dream. I recall Ollody once doing so but don’t recall it’s content. I call those “contact”. Why wouldn’t they be contact?

If they didn’t give instructions to not do something why am I doing something wrong to do it and especially regarding writing a book about them and how all Jesus prophecy proves they were exactly who they said they were/are. The same with my video’s and this blog. Even my little bio is the bio about how my vehicle was picked to be taken by a returning Soul from the Next Level to complete their overcoming through, who failed but who was given another chance, just like the Luciferian fallen angels were given multiple chances (as Ti and Do said on the Blackhawk tapes).

8) You behave as if criticizing you is somehow criticizing Ti and Do and you have had the gall to claim that I “owe” Ti and Do for how I have criticized you.

Sawyer’s reply:

No, you have twisted that. What I criticize about what you say about me is how to accuse me of all these things while not being able to back any of them up with an instruction or behavior or way given to us from Ti and Do. It’s all about you opinion about what I should or shouldn’t do, say or shouldn’t say, think or shouldn’t think (as you often fill in the gaps with assumptions about what I’m thinking).

Re: my saying that you might be criticizing Ti and Do, had to do with your constant attack on me claiming that I don’t care about the remaining tapes not being released, which by the way isn’t true as I do care but not so much that I think it hampers anyone from growing closer to Ti and Do, because I trust that if we needed those tapes Ti and Do would have saw to it that Rkkody got all the tapes to copy or that Mark and Sarah would have had a change of heart. I don’t think Do made a mistake by not arranging to have the tapes split up among the ones he had the other materials split up between or by not having them all transcribed, a task I participated in while in the classroom, or by having them all copied and digitized professionally or by the computer people in the classroom. I don’t doubt for a minute that he would have explored the options while asking Ti what to do. So I think he didn’t get instructions to do any differently than he did or he got instructions to do exactly what he did by putting them all in storage and then instructing Mark and Sarah to get them or giving that task to Rkkody and Oscody, which ended up happening. I can’t speak to your strong feelings about this but I can speak to your condemnation of me for not going along with the degree of your anger over any other opinion/interpretation from your own as to the content of the letters that clearly give the task of deciding what to do with the contents of storage to Mark and Sarah regardless of DO and Crews hope that they would choose to disseminate them the same as with all the materials that is also very clear in the letters.

So you’ve made it your mission to follow me around on this blog and YouTube channel to “stop me” as you told me, which I guess meant stop me from talking, writing, making video’s and yet that’s not a task Do gave you did he? It’s interesting how several others really took to your mission to stop me when they got wind of your regular comments in that regard a year or two ago and yet it’s all from shallow opinions, without even circumstantial evidence from things Ti and Do taught that includes all of what Jesus taught in the 4 gospels.

I wish we could have a truce as I’ve spent hours defending myself and trying to at times make the shoe fit and wore it a few times I admit but to abide by your opinions that I should say and write nothing of my experience and just send people document packets when they ask questions doesn’t feel like the only way Ti and Do would have us disseminate their information and especially at this time when I believe it’s the extension of the Second and LAST “WAVE” that started in the 1990’s and complete phase one by 1997. (Jwnody called the book/website “phase one” if I recall and said they didn’t know if there would be another phase.)

9) Your mission is not from Ti and Do. Your mission is for the purpose of getting attention for yourself but your righteousness blinds you to that. No, I cant “prove” it to you just like you cant prove that you are on a task for the NL. Your “mission” is just an excuse to continue to stay here. Interesting that you went out of your way to find fault with me for wrestling with staying on this planet. Why would you find fault with someone who doesn’t want to be here? Is it because you’re afraid to leave here but you refuse to admit it? I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that those thoughts of yours don’t come from the NL. Maybe its you who owes Ti and Do an explanation for why you care more about what you have to say about the NL than what They had to say.

Sawyer’s reply:

What did I say that found fault with your wanting to not stay on this planet? Please be specific. I remember when you were hinting at planning to exit. I might admit that was over 10 years ago and at that time I was still dealing with an influence who didn’t want to consider exiting, though I asked DO if I needed to prepare myself to exit as they did, so I wasn’t that far gone then or I wouldn’t have had the courage to ask that question. For the record he came to me in a dream immediately after that and said only, “You need to give your life,” something I can imagine him saying and I admit feeling relieved to hear that as it gave me the option and decided right then to give my life by telling the truth knowing that the chips might fall to where someone accelerates me out of this vehicle because of.

But even if I did say something to you about your desire to exit, which I don’t recall directly talking about, but do recall your hinting about so I may have said something about that you recall as “find fault” with that desire, at that time I also broke through that influence and ceased shying away from the fact that Do left the gate open for a short period of time that may or may not have passed. I would guess it hasn’t passed. But I was also being potentially snared by at least two people at different times who told me they were thinking about exiting because they thought they would come back to a better life. I didn’t know if they were just trying to snare me into encouraging their suicide or were deluded to thinking death of their vehicle would solve their problems in life. One said he had been living on the street in Philadelphia and he acted as if he believed in Ti and Do but then would say things about his mission he was given while on another planet to come to earth to lead people and was making up a mixture of Ti and Do terms with a complete spiritual “ye are god’s” mindset, which I pointed out to him and a lot of this is still on my blog. The other person was a different story altogether. That’s when I put together the full breath of all the things DO and Class wrote on exiting and saw that Stmody wrote about how “suicide” to escape life lessons wasn’t of value. You can call that looking for justification not to leave but that’s not your business to point out to me. Why would anyone want anyone to exit when they don’t feel it’s right for them to do. There are people all the time who appear to so easily try to commit suicide. I don’t know if they hate the world and perhaps they all have their Souls saved but perhaps not.

I’m also frightened by the idea that some might get so angry with the facts I know about how Ti and Do fulfill all the prophecies that someone might eventually seek to force my vehicles exit. However, I’m at least brave enough for the moment to continue to push the information out there and willing to exit in that way and frankly don’t disqualify my exiting as They did. That option looked a whole lot easier when I was in pain from Lymes disease and couldn’t walk. When life in the vehicle is miserable it’s a whole lot easier to want to exit and also when life is going fairly well enough it’s quite hard to put one’s head on the chopping block, which I am sure has yet to get started for us, while some humans do have a fairly easy life yet witness injustice or take jobs that jeopardize their lives to save others (like firefighters) or whistle blowers, etc. Perhaps they have overcome clinging to their human vehicles but I don’t think Ti and Do would see them in the same light as those who join the military to become hired killers or who strap bombs to their bodies and walk into a crowded square, etc. They aren’t afraid to die either. I do remember writing that I can see Lucifer encouraging people to exit, especially if by doing so they can keep them from disseminating their experience with Ti and Do. But I may have been giving into an influence to think that.

After all, if you were of a mind to exit, what could I say to stop you. I presume you would have already done as Do said and screamed to the Next Level in your privacy to see if it was write for you and that from doing that if it was right you would then have the courage.

When you tell me what is not, I know that you don’t know what is not in regards to my relationship with Ti and Do and what I hear is your own pent up anger and like I said a type of vendetta for when I suggested to someone one time that you found, that I am the most outspoken former member, I said to impress someone by and knew immediately when you confronted me with my saying that, that I had given into an influence to use my mouth in that way – an ego influence I knew I had – a booger I still deal with, though think I have for the moment a handle on but see crop up in my life in various ways in my head. I know how to combat those influences but I admit I can easily be tricked but have never said that since and am not guilty for the thoughts I might have in that regard as Ti and Do taught that what we are guilty about is when we let those thoughts manifest into words and actions.

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new post from carlan:

‘This site is dedicated to the sharing of my experience as a student of Ti and Do for 19 years”. Interesting that you make no mention in your site’s description of the information that the Class left behind with very specific instructions that it be distributed.

Also, no mention that the Information that the Class left behind is going to be more accurate than anything that you have to say, you know, considering that it is Ti and Do instructing the students in the audio tapes and this site is just your own personal feelings and observations since you left the Class. But of course you “don’t care” that the Information that the Class specifically wanted disseminated is being suppressed. You care about your book that was the “little book” mentioned in Revelation because you believe it is part of your “mission” and “task” for the NL.

Say, what did Do think of the prophecies in Revelation that you claim that you are fulfilling by writing your “little book”? “We’re not trying to lock in on what we’re doing with fulfillment of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation, or Isaiah, or anyplace else” Beyond Human, session 11. You’ve called me a “broken record” in the past and yet perhaps you are a broken record by continuing to insist that what you have been doing for the past 15 years is in service to the NL. Just because you make that claim and have conned yourself and your followers into believing it doesn’t necessarily make it true Sawyer. You can’t even keep track of what you say Sawyer. I told you about how you had given me a hard time in a personal message regarding my wrestling with being on planet earth and you asked me to be “more specific”. Like I already said, it was a personal message on fb and the fact that you don”t remember it is maybe an indication that you should think a little bit more before you go giving your unsolicited opinion on what I’m personally wrestling with. I try to keep my criticisms of you to your claims about what you state that you believe that you are doing for the NL. For your own sake it’s great that you decided that your human life was unfulfilling but that doesn’t mean that the NL wanted you to spend 15 years writing your blog, doing blogtalk and making videos with your take on what Ti and Do were all about.

Why should I go to you for info on the NL when the NL left information behind that They very specifically wanted distributed? Compared to the information left behind by Do and the Class ANYTHING that you say about the NL is going to be diluted and colored by your own personal programming. It’s interesting that compared to your rambling blog and videos you seem to have no interest in the audio tapes that were made, including all those that were made after you left. It’s a crime against the NL that Mark and Sarah lied to RKK to obtain the tapes and continue to suppress them even though Mark assured RKK that he would.

As far as I can tell no former class members seem to care, not you, not Rio, not JHN. You once gave me a hard time for having conflicts with former members like the aforementioned individuals. Why would I want to “get along” with those who don’t care about going against Do and the Class’ wishes that Their info be distributed? The same individuals who have lied to glorify themselves in the name of Ti and Do?

No, we’re not in a Class with an OM present and we are not all working towards the same goal and I am not obligated to anyone who is on planet earth. Since the Class is over we’re not all on the same page and I’m not obligated to ANY former class members for anything that I do. RKK and I tried to take the higher side with Rio and the Kings and it was thrown back in our faces. I got along with RKK well enough to make as much of the info available as we could. I’ve been skeptical of you and your mission from the beginning when you started talking about your dreams in which you claimed contact with Do and the Class.

And it’s become clear to me over the years that your primary interest is in having your voice heard, not in distributing Ti and Do’s info. You’ve accused me of making up lies about you when I cited things that you yourself have said and you had the gall to state that I somehow owe Ti and Do for what I’ve said about you.

Maybe you owe Ti and Do for trying to bring Them into it because you can’t remember what you said and when you said it and played the victim when you were held accountable. Maybe you owe RKK for trying to find fault with him fore giving the tapes to Mark when you couldn’t even remember the circumstances of what happened correctly. If it wasn’t for RKK there would be NO audio tapes available, nothing for you to put your flute music over. You should be thanking him instead of being low and petty and trying to find fault with him. Interesting that you thought you would be in a position to point fingers at RKK when you turned down his request for help in carrying out the class’ desires back in 1997. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. How many hours did you spend digitizing the tapes? How many hours did you spend distributing the materials to libraries across the country? How much of your own $ did you spend on disseminating the Class’ (not your) info? How many FedEx packages did you receive from the Class after They left including the disks with the instructions to upload Their Final statements and Press release?

How many public meetings did you hold where you showed a video of Do and made the materials available and opened yourself up to ridicule and grilling by the press?

I’m saying this to toot RKK’s horn. And you have the arrogance to call what you’re doing on the internet “brave”. I’ve been called all kinds of names online. That doesn’t mean that it takes bravery to state I believe in Ti and Do while sitting behind a keyboard. To your credit you did admit that calling yourself the “most outspoken” proponent of Ti and Do was a mistake but I still see you drawing attention to yourself and wanting recognition for your 19 years in the Class.

Quite frankly, you largely do not know what you’re talking about much of the time. You claimed in one of your writings that RKK had already left the Class when you left in Sept of 94 from the warehouse in Orange Cty, CA. Actually RKK didn’t leave until several months later in the spring of 1995 when the Class was building the earthship in New Mexico.

How many times have you mentioned your 19 years in the Class versus how many times have you tried to draw attention to the audio tapes that were left behind? How many times have you said that you “don’t care” that that audio tapes that the Class wanted to be disseminated are being suppressed? How many times have you mentioned that you had NO interest in helping distribute Their info after They left in 1997 when RKK asked you if you wanted to help?

What if this whole thing that you’ve been doing all these years is for your own ego? Adding your flute music to an audio tape of Ti and Do? In Their final letters They stated that They wanted the information distributed, They didn’t say anything about altering it by adding your personal touch with music.

We got suckered by the lower forces working through Austin into believing that we were serving the NL by catering to Austin’s influences. After that incident it became clear to me how dangerous it was to throw “pearls before swine” and how beyond distributing the info there really is NO task here for the NL as far as any kind of public interface goes.

At times your arrogance is astounding. You may try to deny this one and ask me to be “more specific” but one of the many times that I stated that I was done communicating with you you actually had the gall to say that you hoped I wasn’t giving up on Ti and Do and the NL.

Yes sawyer, because I was sick of your particular brand of b.s. I MUST have been questioning the reality of Ti and Do and the NL.

I’m sure Mark and Sarah believe that by copyrighting and suppressing the Class’ info that they are serving the NL. Rio and Marc probably thought that they were serving the NL by going on Art Bell and attacking RKK and telling lies about him and their tasks.

You seem to believe that everything that you have done online for the past 15 years has been for the Next Level. You have accused me of a “self-righteous vendetta” for daring to hold you accountable for your extraordinary claims that you make in the name of Ti and Do.

But what if you are on a self-righteous and self-appointed mission Sawyer? Do you seriously expect the world to accept your interpretations of dreams that you’ve had and based on that accept that you’re on a mission for the NL? Maybe the reason why you get so defensive and start playing the victim when you are held accountable for your claims is because you aren’t 100% comfortable with your claims?

Maybe this whole mission that you made up for yourself and are trying to get the world to accept is about you wanting attention and recognition just like how Austin used HG to garner attention for himself. I will never believe in your mission and I don’t need you to help me “decide” who to give my “allegiance” to. Maybe the NL doesn’t need you to help individuals decide either? If I were you I’d project an apology to RKK and to Ti and Do for trying to find fault with him, it was a pretty mean-spirited and petty attack on someone who isn’t even here, someone who has shown FAR more dedication to the NL than any of us here considering that he left twice by his own hand. And maybe try being quiet for once and do some introspection instead of whining to the internet yet again about “accusations” against you and playing the martyr card every time that you’re held accountable for the things that you’re doing in Ti and Do’s name. Criticism of you and your made-up mission is not and never will be criticism of Ti and Do and the Next Level despite what you have conned yourself into believing.

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Sawyers responses to Carlan’s comment:
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I do that distribution of the HG Book and the Audio Tapes, etc. as well whenever someone asks. It’s all helping people see in greater depth what Ti and Do were all about as they said was hoped for in the letter sent to Mrc and Srf.

I may have been out of place years ago to spend so much time explaining to people what is in their Book and on the tapes. I did recognize that I was soft peddling their extension of the choice to exit as they did, to go with them to where they were going as opposed to being “saved” from the recycling. But when I saw that I sought to correct it and put together a blog post to show all the ways they thought about our choices going forward and how everyone actually could grow closer to them without feeling like the only choice was to exit in the way they did. I know that is justifying my own choice not to exit by my own hand but it’s not a self justification because the options didn’t come from me. Do spoke about those options in great detail in several of his video’s, exit and Beyond Human video’s and Jwnody wrote about it as well. I know that Ti and Do want us all to make the choices that feel most right to us, whatever they are and along with that do want us to believe in Them because they know they are the ones who have the “key” to that Heaven’s Gate and that all God’s children grow at different rates and that no one else should guilt us into submission. We need to give ourselves to the Next Level because we really want to.

I never found fault with Rkkody at all. I was simply pointing out that he was doing the best he could with his task for the Next Level. I admit bringing up some of his choices – selling mugs and other paraphernalia to offset the cost of distributing the information as his choice to do and NOT WRONG, though I hadn’t seen Ti and Do do that, though in a sense I guess one could say working for humans to put food on the table was in a sense the same kind of thing. And we also sold the Transfiguration Diet book. In fact I sold them during my lunch hour when we lived in Dallas and I was at my out of craft task and had a car because I was the assigned driver in our car pool.

I don’t understand how you could know if Do and Ti and/or certain students did contact me through dreams or not! I don’t expect you to believe that and I don’t expect that I got the right interpretations, if it was from them but they always said the Next Level used our dream time to help us with lessons and perhaps my sharing them was not what DO would have had me do. I know it can look like bragging and like the religious who claim contact with Jesus, etc. Jesus did teach that prayer was private and that one would receive responses to our prayer in private. So I guess I won’t know is that was right to do in this circumstance until I’m back in their company if they choose to save my Soul for another opportunity.

Rkkody never asked me to help him except in some way regarding his exit and I admit at that time being far more asleep than I am now.

I never found fault with Rkkody at all. I was simply pointing out that he was doing the best he could with his task for the Next Level. I admit bringing up some of his choices – trying to sell mugs and other paraphernalia to offset the cost of distributing the information, because of what I saw as a double standard in your judgement of my choices verses his. I see that was another mistake of mine as it seems to have just made you more furious sounding. I had felt to offer you that viewpoint for years but didn’t until I finally did.

I had heard that Mark may have found fault with Rkkody over that but I never did even in my mind. I hadn’t seen Ti and Do do that, though in a sense I guess one could say working for humans to put food on the table was in a sense the same kind of thing. And we also sold the Transfiguration Diet book. In fact I sold them during my lunch hour when we lived in Dallas and I was at my out of craft task and had a car because I was the assigned driver in our car pool.

You don’t know if Do and Ti and certain students did contact me through dreams or not! I don’t expect you to believe that and I don’t expect that I got the right interpretations, if it was from them but they always said the Next Level used our dream time to help us with lessons.

 

You don’t know if Do and Ti and certain students did contact me through dreams or not!

I didn’t know when Rkk left the last time. If I acted like I knew that it was a typo. I have no desire to be inaccurate in any regard though I admit making mistakes that I correct when they are pointed out.

You make many assumptions and say things as facts about what I think and do and they are not and yet never respond to my responses and then keep repeating the same accusations so after a while it appears that you believe what is actually untrue.

You seem to have an agenda as you told me in a facebook message to stop me while you hold yourself up high in self righteousness and your tiny, tiny evidence is my site descriptions that doesn’t say that much.

What difference does it make how many times I said this verses that. Who’s got the talley? How trite are your accusations as if you are the scorekeeper over me.

In terms of distributing Ti and Do’s information, who has the talley on that – you?

Why isnt’ my experience hearing what Ti and Do said valid distribution of their information?

Maybe putting flute on that one little snippet for my blog talk radio show was tacky or perhaps Do and Ti would have wished I didn’t do that but without an instruction or procedure you can site it’s like anything else. They didn’t say what not to do. You are creating you own opinion about that while claiming that I am giving my own opinion about things. The difference is that you are on the attack without evidence. Why is that?

If I dilute something then tell me what it is and I will examine it. If I distort something then tell me what it is. At least tell me that you even read what I say or read it to find the higher side. I’ve never thrown anything in your face so shouldn’t you take the higher side with me as you and Rkkody tried to do with others? What have I said or done that doesn’t deserve even that little bit of respect?

You state that “you largely do not know what you’re talking about much of the time” – okay fine, so give me some examples, otherwise you are stating something that is not necessarily true.

For me it has required degrees of bravery to do a lot of the media I’ve done. It took bravery to give public meetings and talk to the press while in Ti and Do’s classroom as well. Maybe for you it’s not brave but maybe it’s harder for me and you’ve conquered that sheepishness.

I don’t think that everything I do is for the Next Level.

Can you be specific as to your claim that I have made “extraordinary claims that you make in the name of Ti and Do.”

If I am on a self righteous self appointed mission that’s between me and Ti and Do. But for the record if you actually watched these video’s you would see that I often don’t think I have the ultimate “right” interpretation on some parts of scripture.

As far as self appointed, I was honestly seeking to serve Ti and Do again in 2001 many years before I had dreams and began writing the book that I just published where I saw those Revelation verses that seemed to indicate the plan of there being a “backside (history)” to the overall BOOK (Rev 5:1) and the Little Book descriptions in Rev chapter 10. But I never really thought that applied to any one person and certainly not specifically to me, except in how I did feel to write about all the Jesus prophecy.

Do and Ti never justified themselves with prophecy but certainly talked about prophecy points. Do held a meeting where he had us bring bibles to one time during the entire time I was with them and interpreted Rev 12:1 as the “woman” being TI (TI wasn’t at that meeting as it was before she exited her vehicle).

You act as if the Next Level is static and there is no one else who can be in their service yet that’s not what Do talked about as the Three Types of people who could be saved….AFTER they left physically.

So who is influencing you to be so against my showing anyone who ever counted Jesus as someone from the Kingdom of God, Next Level how all Jesus said and did was talking about what Ti and Do fulfiilled? Who wants to keep that truth from being spread far and wide (if the Next Level chooses for it to be through whoever)?

Why do you seem to be more concerned about my spreading that truth than that truth becoming available in a way it hasn’t been done before that I’m aware of?

Even after saying that I’m reminded that the Next Level doesn’t need me or anyone else to do their work because as Jesus said, they can raise up stones to praise God. But they also have shown that it’s part of the program that some can continue their overcoming by being of service in that way.

By the way, I have no “followers,” in the context you often seem to imply, as if I’m trying to or even capable of being someone’s leader.

I don’t expect anyone to believe anything about me or about Ti and Do or about anything. That’s not a concern of mine at all. To the contrary I do expect more attacks on anyone and everyone who give their allegiance to the Next Level versus the Luciferian run human kingdom of governments and religions and wealth accumulation, and false god worship (working for), etc.

What claims am I uncomfortable with?

I guess you have sought to hold me accountable, so that’s fine. Sometimes you have said things that I have taken to heart. I know I have influences and make mistakes and talk too much sometimes or write too much or do a poor job of writing and have given opinions that may not be from Ti and Do’s mind and one of those influences can have me display what to others might seem like arrogance, which I hate when I see myself giving into. But then again, if I know something I’m not going to act like I don’t so I don’t come across as arrogant, because there are many that can think I’m being arrogant because they don’t know what I know and I do know some things. I’ll give you an example. I know that Ti and Do are from the Next Level and that everything they taught and did was a perfect example of the greatest truth anyone could find and what I wish to become and mimic. If that sounds arrogant than so be it. In that case it’s not an influence.

Maybe you could be more accountable to many of the things you say against me. Not accountable to me but to make sure it’s related to instructions and lesson steps Ti and Do and Jesus gave us. As otherwise isn’t it “finding fault” without cause as Jesus warned us against doing and as Ti and Do put in the words to their song…

Help me have no human ways
No thoughts of self
No faults to see
Only the ways of Space
Now I know my heart is fast
In my Father’s path at last
Only the Ways of Space
Only the Ways of Space

For those that may read this and never heard that song it was sung to the Beethoven music called “Jesus meine Freund” (Jesus my friend). I don’t think we ever sang that aloud or as a group as it’s a type of prayer and as Jesus also taught it’s private to be done in our personal “closet”.

However, when someone does find fault with us, we can still benefit from it. Ti and Do called that “making a positive out of a negative” something they said many times that the Next Level were very good at doing.

I know I’m being “defensive” and in the context of the classroom such was inappropriate. If a check partner brought something up to us that was supposed to only be things to where we were breaking “procedures”, behaviors and ways, our response, besides trying to understand fully what they are saying or agreeing with them would be to say “thank you, I’ll examine that” rather than to give justifications of ourselves and/or to then strike back at them in some way. We were required to offer that help to our partners but we didn’t offer that help to anyone else in the class. If we saw someone else breaking procedure the instruction was to write a note to Ti and Do about it.

In this setting it would seem to be different, but perhaps I’m wrong about that. But if I didn’t “defend” against certain accusations or inaccurate statements, presumptions to know how I think and what my motivation is – judgements against me, though I know they don’t necessarily have any bearing on what Ti and Do think (though they may), to date I feel to respond. Maybe that’s a fault of mine sometimes but of course even that can be twisted, so some could find fault with my defense.

By the way I don’t feel “brave” to be doing what I’m doing now. But there was a time when I said things to someone, correcting them in things they would say that I thought I understood were’t from Ti and Do’s mind, that I could bring evidence to them about (though often left to interpretation I know) , that I had fear about what they might say back to me. I guess after years of doing this in a full time way, I don’t deal with that fear any longer. Sometimes I was also hurt by things said and wanted to lash back and did sometimes and/or said things I know were not from Ti and Do’s mind to say, having some misplaced anger, etc.

** Further comments from Crlody (Carlan) and Sawyer’s responses:

crlody:
These conflicts between us only serve to distract individuals from the information that the Class left behind. We need to be satisfied with that information as the most direct, undiluted Next Level information on the planet. By your actions you are not satisfied with that information and want recognition for your take on what the Class was about. By your own words you “don’t care” that much of that information is being suppressed. You want recognition for being “brave” in your self-appointed NL mission and if you didn’t want recognition for that then why even bring it up?

Sawyer:
You must never read my comments back to you because I’ve explained probably over a dozen times what I mean by the out of context, “don’t care” about the surpassed audio tapes. That was not an accurate thing to say as to how I feel about it but again I got worn down so did say it that way but since then, even over years have clarified that I do care but have no recourse to get them released that I would feel good about and know that we have everything we need. I trust Ti and Do to have provided all we need to take further steps in our overcoming and provision of service (mission) for Ti and Do. As I recall, but could be wrong about, Ti and Do didn’t like using that word “mission” pertaining to themselves. They spoke as having or giving a “task”, or an “assigned task” and/or “project” and/or “process” and/or program as far as I recall.

What do you propose we do to try to get those tapes remaining audio tapes released?

You sound like you think you have authority to tell me what I should or should not be doing, saying my actions show that I’m not “satisfied with that information” (from Ti and Do) because I write/talk about related scriptures and signs, etc. while DO and TI are who gave us the many, many references to scriptures and parts of the Book of Revelations, not me, so I’m following their lead in that. If you could point to things Ti and Do said that indicate what NOT to think, say and do then you’d have some credence but even the few remote references hardly criticize my efforts in that regard.

I think you could learn to look for the positive in what others do, and “forgive” our trespasses against others as we want our trespasses to be forgiven and especially so when you have no grounds to see them as negatives in Ti and Do’s mind from the information they left behind.

I agree their info is the most direct, undiluted info on the planet. Part of their information is the Jesus record (See the back of the Heaven’s Gate book and how many times DO spoke about Jesus and Ti as well, though they never quoted chapter and verse) that you seem to choose not to include – the entire record in the 4 gospels and we can’t ignore how much of the Book of Revelations DO spoke about so can’t disqualify those provisions of information.

I brought up before that to me it did require some bravery (however minor) to put myself in the public eye in 1997 and then again in 2002 and thereafter at times. I only brought up “bravery” because you kept on reminding me that I didn’t have the courage to exit as they did which I don’t disagree with, though have no reason to believe not having that courage means the end of my learning lessons and providing Ti and Do service until I do exit this vehicle (by whatever means, not actually ruling out leaving as they did).

Crlody:
Ti and Do were brave as were all those who followed Them out of here. You’re here because you’re afraid to leave. Just like everyone else. You’re not special. The world doesn’t need Sawyer’s take on what the class was about to grow closer to the NL. What if I said that I had a dream in which Do told me that you are completely off-track and not serving the NL with this mission of yours? Would you tell me it must not have been Do in my dream? How would either of us “prove” it either way? You can never prove that you are for the NL Sawyer, it’s something that you believe and you seem to expect the world to believe you too. considering that you haven’t shut up about it for ten plus years running now If you claim that you have contacts with the NL and you also claim that you “don’t care” that a significant portion of the NL mind that was left here by the class is being suppressed then I must state that your “contacts” are not from the NL. The Class wanted the tapes distributed. RKK knew it, I know it but you don’t care because you are more interested in your own blog, your own book and your own videos than you are in listening to Do instruct the students in the ways and thinking of the NL.

Maybe the reason that you get so defensive and you behave as if you’re almost a martyr for the NL is because deep down you know that you could be wrong about all of your claims.

Sawyer:

Constant exaggerations and misrepresentations of what I think come out of your pen on a regular basis. How do you know what I think unless I give it to you. Who gives you that information that makes you sound so confident?

I am not trying to prove to anyone that I am for the Next Level but I am trying to offer evidence that Ti and Do were from the Next Level as the return of the Father and Jesus. Can you explain to me what’s wrong with that?

I’m wondering if you are drunk or stoned when you write these comments as they ramble along with preconceived opinions you self justify that are often telling me what I think and feel and experience and should not do. Do you ever wonder what Ti and Do think of your accusations against me?

And then if I respond which I always do, you call me defensive. Isn’t that called in the world a type of “bait and switch” you are employing, or maybe it’s the “straw horse” or some other phrase that’s been popularized for that kind of form of deception. It’s hardly straight forward as we were taught to communicate and Jesus also spoke about.

Ti and Do taught that dreams could be used by the Next Level to help us with our lessons. It was personal and when Ti and Do had us tell them of our dreams, which they encouraged us to program our vehicles to remember when we went “down” (to bed), they sometimes gave their impression of the dream and sometimes told us about their dreams. The biggest point to dreams is that they are personal and not meant to talk about anyone else so the idea that you could have a dream that said I was off track wouldn’t be consistent with what they taught just like if I had a dream that you were off track. I’m not saying those kinds of dreams are impossible to have but they would be from the lower forces not from the Next Level based on all I recall they taught about dreams.

I also have no desire for the “world” to believe anything I say but you keep repeating stuff like that as if a broken record.

You are all about, almost 100% related to me all about what “I’m not” whether to you or to others and to Ti and Do which is a big pointer of where such thoughts come from because you don’t know what I am to Ti and Do right now, nor to anyone else. All you can do, as I is talk about what you believe or feel about me, which you’ve done so many times now I had to compile them into a blog post so to not allow you to sow news seeds of misinformation about me.

crlody:
To your credit you’re one of the very few former class members I’ve known who takes responsibility for why they left the Class. RKK did too. And of course for your own sake I’m glad that you decided that you found the human life unsatisfying. But how can you be sure that “give your life” in a dream means that you’re supposed to be doing all that you’re doing?

Sawyer: To me that’s apples and oranges re: my belief that Do said to me in a dream, when I asked (not during a dream) if I should “prepare to lay down my life as they did”, “you need to give your life”. That’s not saying I’m supposed to do what I’m doing. I don’t know if what I did with the book and other biblical based writings/speakings is approved by Ti and Do. They may not see any value to it, though for other reasons to include subsequent dreams I have impressions that it was a positive thing to do for the overall mission at this point in time THAT THEY GAVE TO ALL OF US. It was by delving into the Revelations to show how they all can legitimately translate and be interpreted as being fulfilled by Ti and Do, specifically because of their teachings and experiences over the years, that I couldn’t deny their potential value to at the very least provide the challenge to Christians who say they are waiting for Jesus to return. It faces them with the truth and I guess it’s possible some are still growing souls. I don’t know. I don’t try to discern all that. It’s enough to do, to try to keep up with all the misinformation seeds sown out there on a daily basis.

Crlody:
Are you getting specific instructions from Ti and Do in dreams to say all that you’re saying? They told you that you are “brave” and that it doesn’t matter that the audio tapes that They wanted disseminated are being suppressed? That makes no sense and I think deep down you know it doesn’t but you are so thoroughly convinced, so thoroughly RIGHTEOUS about everything you’re doing being some “task” for the NL that you refuse to hear anything to the contrary. The more that I tell you that I don’t believe in your task the more you will continue to believe in it as you take that resistance to mean you’re being persecuted because of the rightness of your mission. Don’t confuse your own will with Ti and Do’s will. You don’t represent Them. You can’t explain the lessons presented by Ti and Do on the audio tapes better than they can.

Swyody:
No absolutely not. I haven’t got any “instructions” from dreams or any other way. I agree with Rkkody, that’s not the way it works but we can get “ideas” about things to think or say or do, but they can’t necessarily be counted on unless we can see them verified by things in the legitimate records with all Ti and Do taught as the ultimate authority. I know I suggested that the Ceres lights were not Space Aliens on that dwarf planet. I don’t think I’m wrong about that because DO said that the space aliens couldn’t travel very far away from the earth anymore. However, I don’t know how far that is. But if we can count on what Jesus said about where the “signs” would come from going forward through the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies, as Ti and Do taught we could pertaining to the “red letters” in the 4 gospels then we can surmise that that space aliens wouldn’t be allowed to interfere with those “signs” seen in the “sun, moon and stars” (which I believe stars comes from the Greek “Aster” as a lighted object seen traversing from east to west, thus a comet, and I also think stars could be considering the plants as to us with the naked eye they look the same as stars. With Pluto I came up with interpretation because I knew the content of the first movie script and the pictures Ollody drew/airbrushed. Both Pluto and Ceres are strongly linked to Rev 6:8, to show their influence during the time of the “green horse”. When I saw a number of cross referenced records, the same as with Rev 11 Two Witnesses and Rev 12 “woman” and lots more, like the “Briefing” Ti “remembered” before she left in Rev 4, it’s like hard to deny there is a strong potential match of those ideas to those prophecies, yet I still do not know for sure if I got those right but it’s part of when they occurred as well that to me is part of that puzzle. And there have been many more “signs”. We didn’t need those “signs”. I think safe to say no one who was in their classroom needed any of those signs but now, it’s impossible to tell who can benefit from being able to see those mysteries uncovered.

Crlody:
Once again, go complain to your followers about all the “accusations” that you have to weather while on your important mission for the Next Level. RKK never felt like he was here to explain what the class was about. And he even was sent back after his first attempt at leaving. And he never saw it as being sent back, he always maintained that he “botched” the attempt.

Sawyer:
This to me sounds like sarcasm, though I could be wrong but if it is, which you can examine I think you would agree it’s not a characteristic of a member of the Next Level.

I am not comparing myself to Rkkody, nor anyone else, nor that I have any different mission than anyone else, nor why he botched the first exit. I only considered that it wasn’t botched so that he could do a few more tasks for the Next Level before he left, but I could be wrong about that but I know it’s possible that’s why it was botched or that the Next Level made a positive out of the “botch”.

I have no followers but I admit when it comes up, and some ask me or comment about our back and forth I get worn out, so probably do come across as complaining. I’ll try not to duplicate that further.

Here are:  More accusations against Sawyer’s blog, video’s, Revelations Book by Carlan aka Crlody:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/19/more-accusations-against-sawyers-blog-videos-revelations-book-by-carlan-aka-crlody

Here is the newest 2018 comment Carlan made about me and my comment to an article about Heaven’s Gate:

Crl’s comment:

The most accurate information on HG is the info left behind by HG, not Sawyer’s blog and book which he is writing on his own as part of his self-appointed mission here on planet earth which he claims he got from some dreams. Hundreds of hours of audio tapes left behind by the group are being suppressed and Sawyer has stated that he does “not care” that these tapes are being suppressed, probably because his primary interest is promoting his blog, book and himself. Sawyer had no interest in distributing HG’s info after they left in 1997 despite the fact that the group repeatedly stated in their final letters to some former members of the group that they wanted their info to get out. Sawyer did not receive one of these letters.

Sawyer’s reply:

Carlan is right. The most accurate information on HG is in the information left behind but as I was with Ti and Do for 19 years and witnessed most of that information’s progression and have countless examples of the many things Ti and Do taught, I provide additional insights to the truth about Ti and Do that some people value. Some of the mistruths Carlan stated in his comment were:

1) The mission I have is the same mission anyone can have – to tell the truth from everything Ti and Do left behind which includes my personal witness testimony. Thus it’s not “self appointed” as DO is the one who compelled anyone to disseminate their information so people could have a more in depth understanding of what they were all about. What Carlan is referring to as dreams is true but I didn’t start being of service to Ti and Do again because of the dreams, though they did help me come to terms with the bond I had formed with Ti and Do while in the group, since I had become reabsorbed into worldliness after I left them voluntarily. I continued to have dreams sometimes in response to questions I had and sometimes to correct me, though I don’t expect Carlan to believe they could have actually been Ti and Do and Crew communicating from their spacecraft. We were taught that dream time could be used by the Next Level to help us with our lesson steps, though I never claim they can be counted upon 100% because the lower forces of the planet can also influence us through dreams. Like anything one can learn to recognize the differences.

2) Carlan keeps repeating and taking out of context my saying I do “not care” that the audio tapes are still being suppressed by Mark and Sarah, the Heaven’s Gate webmasters. First off several hundred of those audio tapes with Ti’s inclusion on them are available and I do distribute them freely to anyone who asks me for them. The couple hundred tapes still being supressed are not in my hands and I have no influence upon Mark and Sarah, though I have tried to talk sense to them. But since DO saw to it that Rkkody got the first batch of tapes and distributed them – sent me a cd, etc. when he could have arranged for them to be distributed the same way he arranged for the exit video’s and web site and Beyond Human Series to be available and could have had them all transcribed, a project we did have starting from before Ti left her vehicle in 1985, I trust that we have all the information they want us to have access to, so in that way I don’t have this cross to bear though I wouldn’t be against someone trying to get the tapes through some legal means. It just doesn’t feel like a priority when there is so much information they provided.

3) I do have interest in promoting the HG info as I have done on my blogs, on my youtube channel and on my facebook pages and in thousands of comments on other’s blogs, channels and emails and other media to include the use of music I write that gets posted to music sites and that I talk about when the subject comes up in some form in my personal offline life. I have done this for over 15 years now in degrees so that now it’s a full time job I’m fortunate enough to be able to do.

Yes I do promote my book that brings scriptural evidence to Ti and Do as the so called Second Coming as DO always thought Christians were the number one group who were prepared to receive the truth, though are also the most misguided away from that truth. Since DO started me off on getting into scripture this felt natural for me to dive into.

It’s true that I was not mentioned in the letters Do and Crew sent to Mark and Sarah, to Rkkody and to a few others who at the time had expressed interest in the task of disseminating their information. I don’t know why Carlan is bringing that up as he knows DO wasn’t limiting who could take on that task, which it also states in the letters.

Why call out someone who it telling the truth about Ti and Do in whatever ways they can. It’s not like I do so under false pretenses. I’m not starting a new cult nor trying to be a new leader nor am I replacing Do in any way, shape or form. I’m not making hardly any money from doing so. I’ve made less than $75 in royalties for my book over the last year of sales. I give my book away on my blog. I don’t claim anyone needs anything I say or do to grow closer to Ti and Do.

Carlan’s beef with me is a human beef entirely and he knows that I will examine anything someone brings up to me and if their criticism fits I will wear that shoe as I’ve demonstrated by admitting to some of the things he brought against me years ago, things that in no way were related to changing Ti and Do’s information one iota.

I do promote myself as a witness to Ti and Do’s classroom. That’s what’s called “Standing for Ti and Do”. One can send people Their information and that’s fine but to give each person one’s personal testimony and experience can certainly become part of that process that can be of value. Ti and Do taught that their students were all attached to a strain of other souls who are taking vehicles to move up a notch in their own development towards Next Level membership. They taught that each student’s way of expressing themselves might appeal to different individuals in such a way that they can benefit from having that contact. DO even indicated that in his absence if there were “active students” left behind then those who are interested in the information should seek to have contact with them. I can’t imagine that such a contact was meant to be limited to telling them where they could find the HG information as anyone can find that for themselves by going to the Heavensgate.com web site and downloading their book that contains all the necessary information.

Carlan, you are fighting against the wrong enemy to try to limit or discredit me. As Jesus said about John the Baptist… if he’s saying the same things I’m saying then he’s on our side.

More accusations from Crlody against sawyer:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/19/more-accusations-against-sawyers-blog-videos-revelations-book-by-carlan-aka-crlody