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TI and DO transcript #53 – Lessons on Following Instructions as a Member of the Next Level Would

May 12, 2019
Tape Log: 053 – 03/31/83 – OOC task-two extremes. Be alert & observant. Must learn the art of getting along with everyone. Misapplication of instruction-flowers. Interaction with Links =lessons-just say, “I did it wrong”. 45 min.

(Transcribed by Nisha and edited by Sawyer (Swy) Classroom full name: Swyody)

(Swy note: This appears to have been recorded at the Houston “retreat”. TI and DO lived in Houston briefly, their vehicles home before they awakened upon meeting there. When they moved there DO grew a beard so he wouldn’t be so noticeable by former friends and family of his vehicle. They leased a type of townhouse for students to come there to visit while the rest of the class was in Austin.)

Tape starts:

DO: Often when Links is talking to someone about instructions we might start off saying one thing like go to such and such a place to get carrots and then the more we talk in the conversation because of information we later find out we would change that to: don’t go to such and such a place and get carrots, go someplace else. Repeatedly, we find that the students are hearing portions of what we say and not hearing other portions. In other words, at the point of our making a change, they remember what we said first before we made the change more that they remember the change, which means — sounds like they’re thinking about something we said while we’re saying something else instead of listening to everything we say as we say it.

Don’t let your computers work on something we’ve just said while we’re still trying to say something else. You could be helpful by — like when TI brought up the cornbread thing of not letting the batter sit too long that just overrode everything and translated to: We’ll make up all the cornbread and let everybody be served cold cornbread which wasn’t the intent at all, it was a misapplication of instructions which is part of what we’re going to talk about. We’ve got to lick, dismiss misapplication of instructions.

TI: Let me give another example because I think ones back at the craft – The last crew that was up here and we noticed that Alxody was coming up with this group we said that Alxody was a satellite 3 person coming up and we said Alxody could not come up as a satellite 3 person but that didn’t mean they would bump Alxody and put somebody else in so that we would have a satellite 3 person. It meant that it was such perfectly okay for Alxody to come up but he could not be as a Satellite 3 person the way they mentioned it to us. Do yawl remember that?

And by the time they got back to the class they interpreted it that Alxody couldn’t come on this retreat group because he couldn’t be a Satellite 3 person, which there are times when there are no Satellite 3 people coming anymore in the retreat group – is that right – so why would you bump Alxody because of what we’re saying – to think the reason for that wasn’t because there was anything wrong with Alxody. It’s because he’s not able to function as a  Satellite 3 person without a check partner and he doesn’t have a check partner.

DO: Well we said we always try to make it if we can so a Satellite 3 person can be in a retreat crew going to retreat. And we said yes that’s fine but you don’t do it at the expense of having to get them out of the order of which they should be going. You follow what we’re saying? But we couldn’t count the number of times that our instructions have been twisted and you want to be aware of how your vehicles twist instructions and you want to exert special effort to find out if you’re twisting instructions.

Let’s take the — I feel like Swyody has innocently twisted instructions or I’m not understanding everything. Like this morning, I asked him how his new task was going and he said: Well not exactly like the other two times I was over there, because the dishwasher didn’t show up and the chef was having to pitch in and wash dishes and they had to bring in somebody from someplace else and I said: Well, did you offer to help with the dishwashing? and he said ‘No I didn’t’. And I suspect, though I may be wrong that he was maybe thinking he shouldn’t from what we said about washing dishes. Is that correct, Swyody?

Swyody: (affirms)

DO: Well see that’s not right. Links have never indicated that you all — when we said we didn’t want you going out and taking jobs washing dishes – we didn’t want people taking advantage of you. But did that mean that when a crew is shorthanded and everybody is having to pitch in that we would have one of our students be the one not to pitch in and do things like scrub pots and pans or even scrub the floor or any other thing that had to happen as an exception.

And we said as it turns out – well he told me from the beginning that they had to do this and then my brain just short circuited because I thought then why did you apply for the job? Because if you know we don’t want you doing pots and pans regularly – when people wouldn’t show up. In other words, you can’t go and say: ‘I’d like this job very much and I’m a dessert person and ah well I’m just making this up’ but you can’t go and say ‘I’ll do this and this and this but I don’t wash windows, I don’t do pots and pans I’m not going to let you step on me – I’m not going to let you take advantage of me.’ It means your not understanding what Links was talking about in the beginning – because what Links is talking about in the beginning is that you go out and be the best employee that you can be. We don’t want you to apply for menial labor tasks but that didn’t mean that when in an emergency situation that you wouldn’t pitch in and be apart of a crew that needed to do anything that needed to happen. Now if it turned out that emergency situations were more ordinary than extraordinary and if you were washing pots and pans more than you were doing anything else then you would say look that’s not what you took the job for, let’s see if you can get another one. But we, this is another example of we have seen you go to one extreme to the other, we have seen people who’d have let people step all over them instead of sticking to your guns like if you took a car to be repaired and the service man just said oh well I don’t think that right we need so and so. Stick to your guns and tell them what Links told you it needs – this is what we told you needs to be done.

The extreme of that is a time or two people have done it in such a way that it irritated the service manager and made it sound like they were mad or they were being arrogant or they were being so impossible and at that point don’t you know that humans back down? And they’re not going to service you. They’re not going to be helpful to you if you go in and set them off with: Well listen to me!, this is the way I want it done and that’s it. You’ve got to stick to your guns diplomatically. You’ve got to do it in away that they appreciate the fact that you’re sticking to your guns. You don’t start bumping noses with them or bucking with them unless it’s a situation where you have no choice. You’ve tried your diplomatic effort, you’ve tried to cooperate with them, you’ve tried to do everything in a way that you could stick to your guns and still have a smooth outcome and it didn’t work. If it didn’t work then your kind of at your wits end – you would either have to buck with them or throw up your hands and call for help. But you’ve got to – tell us what the score is Swyody so we can understand it better like what did you mean when you said ‘He told me from the offset that this happens’ frequently?

Swyody: Well he said he had a hard time getting help…

DO: Well then why didn’t you tell us that? Why didn’t you let us know that when you started applying for the job that here’s a position where the chef has told us that frequently people won’t show up and he ends up washing the pots. I wouldn’t be able to work with a chef who was washing the pots and pans when I was making desserts.

TI: What would you do when he was washing pots and pans?

Swyody: I was making a soup he asked me to make.

DO: Okay, well that’s okay if he says like if I offer to wash the pots and pans and he says no I want you to make the soup I’ll fill in here. Great. But I would feel obligated to offer to the chef to wash their pots and pans and I would want to and that’s why I asked you did you offer to wash them. Did you offer to wash them?

Swyody: No.

DO: See this is where it goes wrong because to me if you’re under the chef and he’s having to do something like that you’d want to give the feeling of one who is cooperative and wants to be helpful. We feel like Swyody had bad luck a time or two with tasks and it may be because he’s misapplying instructions we’ve given him because he’s standing up for his guns so they think ‘Good night. Who do you think you are? You ought to be having office in Washington instead of here in a kitchen.’, You see what I’m saying? Because that would be a a misapplication of instructions when we say don’t let people walk over you that doesn’t mean you walk in with your nose in the air and lay down the guidelines of what you’ll do in this task. What you do is go and find out what the task requires and if it isn’t according to guidelines you go elsewhere looking for a job.

TI: What you have to do when you have an out of craft task, it’s really about the feeler and all of you have to develop the feeler. You have to learn to feel what it’s like – a good employee doesn’t ever tell an employer I won’t do something. We’re not asking any of you to tell an employer that I don’t do something or imply that I won’t do it – so of course that’s within the job task. I’m not talking about your going to rob a bank or something because I’m certain that’s within the job task. I’m not talking about their wanting you to go rob the bank or something. Because you could throw that back us later and say well they asked us to go do this or to go rob that bank or to go do everything they asked us to do. Believe it or not you all are capable of going to that extreme.

DO: And if you question the rightness of it get a note off to Sat 3 and let them get it off to Links so that we can see what happening and like Dstody said he didn’t feel right about his boss asking him to take drinks into the locker room to men who – are in the sauna when men order drinks when men said I’ll give you 10 dollars or whatever it was to go get me a beer and bring it into the sauna and he didn’t feel right about that. TI and I didn’t see anything wrong in his task why shouldn’t he do it? But the point is he refused and it almost he refused a number of things that almost got his job in hot water – because they were thinking that he had a little too many areas that he wanted his job to only be these things and not do those things so what you do is, like TI said, try to be sensitive with your feeler, try to discover what the task is before you take it and try to feel – does it feel right? Is the things I’m going to be doing do I think they’re in the guidelines of what Links intends for us to be willing to do and if the answer to that is yes then take the task – then if it turns out later that it’s expanded into areas you begin to question bring it up and let us help you with it before you cut your nose off before you make a situation where they begin to dislike you and they can dislike you on the grounds that you think you’re doing what you think Links would have you do.

We wouldn’t have you in a task where they dislike you unless they’re impossible or if they dislike you because you won’t join in as they snort cocaine or whatever it is that they’re doing – if there are things like that you know we would have you immediately try get something else. But we think you’re more capable of knowing what our intentions are then just grabbing on to little pieces of things that we say and then letting them over a short period of time distort and create an impossible circumstance for yourself.

TI: The Mind just has to push through to understand better – it’s like the brain is blocking you from what we’re saying and you have to exert the effort to understand what we’re saying. You may think you know because you think TI and Do have said this over and over again and I know exactly what they’re going to say and it turns out that you don’t know what we’re staying.

DO: That’s right, your vehicle is making it sound like you’re hearing a repeat.

TI: It’s getting to where I’m almost afraid to say something thinking it will be translated into something else. And I think how can I say something where they can understand what I’m saying? And even right now I wonder, of course we have it on tape but I still wonder if it’s going to translate into your brain – well you have got to push through and understand what we’re saying. The reason we’re putting this on tape is because if there are others like at the craft who have out of craft tasks and they are having the same kinds of misunderstanding that Swyody has had then we hope that this will help correct.

When you are on an out of craft task or in the craft you should be mentally alert, someone said that I’ve watched one individual in this class do things that looks like it’s just mechanical like there’s no mind really operating in that vehicle at that time and it disturbed me because I feel like that individual can be caught up in a trap that it would just slip into a nothingness, a despondency.

DO: a passiveness.

TI: a passiveness so much so that it can cause you trouble and you have never seen us walk around with a mechanical air about us. We are your examples you have to be mentally alert you’ve got to be observant you’ve got to listen carefully. When you all talk to us, we listen to you as carefully as we can unless we have a distraction and then if we have a distraction because of something one of the others TI and Do might be saying to  – to openly take what we’re listening to you and go through one of us then we’ll go back and say sorry we missed what you were saying and can you tell us again. We’re teaching you all how to listen to Older Members. You all can’t do that – only Older Members can do it, like your teachers. Actually it isn’t right for us to do it – but when there are two Older Members working together in a class circumstance sometimes it does happen but it doesn’t mean that you all can do that to Older Members – it’s like if we’re taking to you on the caller and somebody says something to you, you come back and say I’m sorry, so and so was telling me something and I didn’t hear what you were saying.

DO: (laughs) that happens a lot.

TI: Now that has happened to us many, many times and that should not happen any more than if we were standing here talking to you and all the activity around the room you started watching what Dncody and Lvvody were doing while they’re talking to Cddody. Before you know it I could ask you what was Dncody and Lvvody doing and you could tell us every little action that they were doing and then we’ll say what was I telling you and you wouldn’t even know what we were talking about. Can you understand that?

DO: You’re not capable of doing both you’re not capable of listening carefully and doing other things, you may think you are.

TI: That means you’re more interested in Dncody and Lvvody then what we’re saying so then why should we exert the effort to tell you anything? So you’ve got to understand this because it’s extremely important that you get your minds into your vehicles. When you walk, you walk as a member of the Next Level, when you talk you talk as a Member of the Next Level. You do not just walk mechanically, pick up things and look at them and put them down and try on a jacket – without any expression on your face without anything like you look like a puppet! A robot or something.

When you’re in an out of craft tasks you are alert and you know what you’re tasks are and you participate in everything as though you enjoy it. When you leave the class, you come back, end of – leave your task leave that job at your place where you work you come back here and you work in the craft as though you like it and you are alert, you know what is going on you are interested in what’s going on you’ve got to push through it and the vehicle will not do it automatically, it was not trained to do that. Your mind has to do it. And as soon as you learn that’s the better you will learn and we will be able to communicate with you. If you don’t do it we’re not going to be able to communicate with you. We have reached this place before and we felt like we just can’t communicate with you and then you all exert the effort and we’re able to do it, then we get to another spot where we can communicate which means it’s just practice that grows – there’s nothing wrong with any of you it’s that you have to put it into action, which will not happen on its own.

DO: Let me use this example with Cddody again because it’s there were little ramifications that could have come into his mind at one point that since they weren’t resolved I don’t think his brain computed. Let’s go back over the conversation Cddody was talking to me last night about, we’re going to take the car into the shop and at first we had said that they would they get it there somewhere between 7:30 and 9:00 and then little later in the conversation I said no why don’t you just get up and get to the top of the bath slot and consume and get off as quickly as you can and at that point TI heard me say that and TI then said (and of course Cddody couldn’t hear) but TI had said no let’s get him there at 7:30 then I had said no let’s get there at 7:30 which Cddody repeated to me ‘get there at 7:30’ but I didn’t say that means you might have to alter your up time and so forth and so on so it didn’t compute so what computed was to get there as close to 7:30 as they could – getting up on time and consuming as soon as they could and they got off at 7:50, I mean got down there at 7:50 which in his mind, was correct instruction.

The point I’m making is only one time did I say no let’s get there at 7:30 and what it didn’t make a strong enough impression in the computer. To think about oh well that means what we said a few minutes ago about getting at the top of the bath slot and consuming that means that won’t work so would you have us get up earlier if necessary to get there at 7:30 because if he had computed that and asked that question the answer would have been well yes of course if you can’t – in other words we don’t feel like we have to know what you can do what you have to do in order to get there at 7:30 you see what I’m saying. I feel like if you can’t get up at 6.30, consume and get off in order to be there at 7:30 then you have to alter in order to get there at 7:30 and if you feel like Links hasn’t Ok’d your getting up early then you’ve got to come back and say I don’t think we can get up on time and get there at 7:30 so that we can have a chance to say well then get up early if necessary. Well, when it got to be after 7 and you all hadn’t left I couldn’t imagine what had happened but this is just a little example how one sentence said no let’s get there at 7:30 and that there were dozens of other sentences that hadn’t been that explicit. You see what we’re saying? So the brain didn’t ‘Uh-oh’ grab hold of that one and say everything we previously talked about has now been altered and this means that we’re going to get there at 7:30 and this happens a lot – not just with Cddody it happens with others almost without exception. Frequently it’s the key thing we say in the whole conversation that gets lost.

TI: Well, it’s like the cornbread incident when the key thing was to plan your strategy so you would have hot cornbread for both crews and none of you had it.

DO: I want to know from Swyody, see I’m afraid that you got the picture that you were to present yourself in a way that you wouldn’t do tasks of that nature or I don’t understand why you wouldn’t have said to your chef last night; Goodness, can I help you out of this bind?’ and then give him the option to say; Nope, this is what I have to live with because people don’t like to be out here and you go ahead and do your soup. But to me, if I had hired someone in a lesser position than my own position and they didn’t offer to do a more menial task than their task when I was having to do it I would wonder what kind of spirit they were, what kind of cooperative nature they had. You see what I’m saying? Did that not cross your mind?

Swyody: (unintelligible)

DO: Well it would’ve been my first thought that he would think poorly of me if I didn’t offer to do that his having to do it. Particularly when I’m new and I’m wanting to make a good impression. You see what I’m saying?

Swyody: Well, I know he gave me the task of making the soup.

DO: well sure.

Swyody: so I guess…

DO: Well see I don’t know the whole picture but in trying to piece together the parts I got from you and it might be that the way he was giving you instructions might have made it very clear to you that he wanted to do that and want you to go ahead doing what you’re doing – if he did then I could understand it. I don’t know the whole picture, but I do know that you should give an impression with your employer and that nothing is beneath you even though you didn’t take the job to do dishes and you don’t want to do something like that on a regular basis hopefully because I would rather find another job if I ended up doing that all the time. It’s like with Anyody we didn’t know she was doing pots and pans on a regular basis we thought that she asked to do it on rare exceptions, next thing we knew it was on a regular basis and her regular task was pot’s and pans and we immediately said Anyody that’s taboo.

TI: That’s when you step in and said let us know about it. But once in a while it doesn’t hurt.

DO: It’s the awkwardness you all have to get passed. Swyody had an awkwardness over his address and it’s like he got caught in a couple of stories about giving wrong street numbers that didn’t exist and you’ve got to be sharper than that and more comfortable with your strategy. You’ve got to plan it that you can’t be in a circumstance like that. If I’m going to use a street number I’ve got to know that street — I’m certainly not going to give it 10,300 if I don’t know if that streets even 6 blocks long. I’m automatically going down in the first few hundreds if I’m not familiar with that street I would automatically have to think that way and you all are capable of thinking that way you’re just not exerting the effort and then you get caught twice! Twice he got caught by the same person in personnel about information that had no truth to it and part of thinking was he as nervous about the new task he was a little insecure about the two bad experiences he has recently had and deflating his ego to an extent but you have got to not let people deflate your confidence.

The only reason your confidence has any reason to be deflated is if you’re trying to do a task the way Links would have you do it and the more you try it you don’t seem to be accomplishing anything then I would have my confidence would be threatened a little bit then I would have to work harder to get it restored. But something that a human could do to me like Tim did to you that couldn’t threaten my confidence at all or make me deflated but if I had an experience like Swyody did with Tim I would wonder now wait a minute they could be –  I don’t know why but no matter what kind of impossible person Tim seemed to be, something must be wrong with me that I wasn’t capable of getting along with him – why I couldn’t go in, do a good task and be liked. I might say things that sound a little wrong, I may present myself in a way that doesn’t seem likeable something about me has caused others to dislike me but how can I change that? And all of you need to examine that kind of thing when you’re in a task in craft or out of craft when you find yourself in a predicament where others find it difficult to cooperate with you and examine yourself and wonder what it is that makes it that way.

TI: It’s very difficult to work with — when you’re a Member of the Next Level to work with humans when there’s conflict so it’s always better to try to get rid of conflict by examining yourself and also observing that individual to see how you can get along with that person well if it’s impossible to get along with that individual then you’ll find out eventually but you can be – it’s just like working with each other none of you should be so impossible that I don’t like the work with so and so. I don’t like to work with him or her because of such and such that’s all garbage, that’s all human garbage and you all should know everybody’s likes and dislikes and you shouldn’t pay any bit attention so that could affect you because there is not a single person here that could do any harm to you.

DO: There are some in your class who — there are a number of people who have a difficulty getting along with them. Okay, follow my little formula here there’s some individuals in your class because of some characteristics they still have not conquered a number of people find it difficult to get along with them. But there are others in your class that can get along with those individuals and have mastered how not to let those characteristics of which they’re trying to conquer to disturb them in the least. And they can get maximum performance in cooperation with those individuals that others find it impossible to get along with so where’s the trouble? With the person who’s impossible or the person who can’t get along with them?

The person that’s difficult he’s got a lot to work on but the person who can’t get along with them has to work on just as much because he hasn’t learned to get along with. He hasn’t mastered anything he’s only good with people who are easy to get along with you see what we’re saying? So he has to learn to get along with people who require effort to get along with and there’s no difference when some of your classmates are working on certain kinks in their personality that are difficult then areas that you are working on that are less obvious and none of you are free of serious areas that need work. Therefore there’s no justification for not learning the art of getting along with anyone. Okay, are we through? Tllody?

Tllody: I hope this is appropriate… (unintelligible)

TI: They don’t serve us, we serve our own.

Tllody: continues…

DO: They clean our plates sometimes but you know why they clean our plates and don’t find sauce and spaghetti on our plates? Because we scrape our own plates.

TI: The sauce is okay, the meat we’re not encouraging you to eat.

DO: Either one is an extreme. If I try to eat my spaghetti so that all the sauce and meat is left off I’m going to an extreme but if I eat my spaghetti and clean up the sauce and meat that on my plate I’m going to another extreme we say that the sauce and meat that goes with your spaghetti can’t hurt you but you shouldn’t have so much sauce on there that’s there’s a lot of concentrated sauce and meat that you would follow that experiment up with.

TI: But we don’t eat much of the meat, we eat very little of the meat.

DO: That’s right now the meat we consider more flavoring for the spaghetti and we consume only what little meat might stick to the spaghetti if as we consume it as we roll it up into little baseballs that doesn’t mean we try on every little baseball to be sure that every little bit of the meat is off of it, that’s an extreme. But we don’t heat that the concentrated sauce and meat is good for you enough that you should clean up what’s left on your plate and that it you should try not have no much sauce with it that there’s puddle of it left after you ate your spaghetti.

TI: That’s right, you shouldn’t have that much sauce that you would have to clean up your plate with a spoon and this is not what we are encouraging you to do.

Tllody (explaining how his vehicle likes the meat):

TI: If your vehicle likes it, it’s going to find a way if you all could learn your vehicle and you can bank on it doing exactly what it likes to do when it comes to food in other words that sounds when somebody asks a question about consuming the thought comes in my mind entirely different is recorded in my brain as I receive it because it’s saying I like this exactly what I want to hear I know it, it’s just like if you all could realize that it’s…

DO: My brain, I mean my mind reacts just the opposite and dislikes what my vehicle has just indicated to me what it likes so much. So much that I tend to then go the other way and be more turned off then would be normal if had I hadn’t seen a prejudice from my vehicle in favor of it.

TI: In favor of it.

DO: you see what I’m saying?

Tllody: In a sense that’s the key right there, that your vehicle has…

TI: Just like ice cream, if your vehicle looks forward to the ice cream then your mind order step in immediately and say ‘ice cream isn’t that good’

DO: It isn’t.

TI: Sure

DO: Cause your mind doesn’t care if it gets ice cream it doesn’t have a means of enjoying it.

TI: It doesn’t say ‘oh boy that tastes good’, that’s your vehicle talking. And your mind should immediately realize the symptoms that your vehicle is looking forward to the cake and you don’t have to eat a piece of cake and if I was having that kind of trouble I wouldn’t touch a piece of cake.

DO: Your mind doesn’t feed the vehicle like the human feeds the horse sugar to keep the horse happy – I’m going to give it something that isn’t good for it just to keep it happy. The mind considers that it has the ability to control the vehicle and keep it operating and functioning well without giving into it. Without doing all the little things to satisfy it that doesn’t mean that it goes to the other extreme and is difficult with the vehicle it tries to do it without giving into it and without trying too be to harsh on it. Don’t go out of balance to be too harsh on the vehicle and to give into it, way out the balance. The proper way when you have the vehicle in control is to get the performance from the vehicle that you want without any back talk one way or the other – we just want to get the performance out of it therefore you know it requires X amount of nutrition and consuming but it doesn’t require X amount of sugar or X amount of this – any of the things that the vehicle has a particular yen for so it doesn’t give in to those but neither does it go to the other extreme. It’s like when we told you the big test is can I gave a little something once in a while without making it a big ‘to-do’ can I learn to ignore it. Like if I really like ice cream I’ll skip some of my ice cream opportunities and when I have my ice cream I’ll learn not even look forward to it. It’s just some other ingredient that I’m having.

TI: Just like getting gas at the service station. Cars don’t look forward getting unleaded or just plain old regular – they just get it because they’re running out of gas and this is how you should look at food, food is just gas that you’re putting into your vehicles.

DO: Talking about gas for a moment, I think that still one of the biggest problems we have with vehicles that have gas problems is not chewing enough – the more you chew and pulverize that food the less it creates fermentation in your digestive system and the more the natural enzymes break it down and prevent gas, so one of the main things you can do and I have to keep my own vehicle disciplined in the area of chewing particularly when I only have one little tiny spot to chew on, I get awful tired of shoveling everything to that one little spot and chomping for so long.

TI: have to use the front teeth.

This doesn’t apply to just likes and dislikes in regards to food it’s likes and dislikes to anything like let’s use the TV for instance one individual while he was here on at retreat wanted to change the time of consuming so that he could watch the news. That’s pretty bad, I think it happened in Blackhawk it hasn’t happened recently but when you have thoughts like that that means you’re hooked on television because we have not given you an assignment to watch the news. Now if we say we don’t want you to miss a single news item on television no matter what, don’t give us any excuses and everything watched on television in regards to news then you would have to alter your schedule to watch the news but the news is optional and we know things are happening out there and they’re going to happen whether we watch TV or not. And when the time comes and it’s time for the news and you’re free of what you’re supposed to be doing then it’s okay to watch it but the world doesn’t stop just so you can see the news you don’t plan your schedule so that you can see the news – if you’re through with everything in the task, in the craft and the news is on and you feel like you feel like you can sit down and do it then it’s okay to do it but otherwise it isn’t imperative to see it.

TI and DO transcript #119 – Suspected Strikes-needing sensuous ‘love’ a chemical deficiency

May 7, 2019
Tape Log – 119 – 04/23/84  Suspects only-write only what’s pertinent. No justifying-strikes change vibration. Check partners-witnesses on crews-chemicals of nutrition-love/barnacles/no romance.  25 min.
(Transcribed by Nisha and edited by Sawyer (Swy))
(Swy notes: I was present for all the meetings from 1975 to 1993. The lesson step TI and DO gave us before this meeting was called “Suspected Strikes”. They didn’t say how many strikes a student might get before they are dismissed from the class so it wasn’t set up as a threat, yet nor did they want us to assume once a part of the class always a part of the class and spoke about having to take our task membership away if we didn’t measure up. That did happen in 1976 to 19 students and then to two more after TI left her human vehicle. This is yet another of the many, many ways TI and DO’s teaching methods and behaviors and ways and teachings were incomparable to all other so called cults. I never feared being told to leave. Even so, I didn’t assume I was in either.)
TI: Trying to clarify some of the ways that help y’all how to write suspected strikes and effective witness strikes y’all can straighten it out. Let’s say that you, as an individual had done something that you feel like it was your vehicle talking and not your mind but it involved another individual. When writing a note to Links we don’t care what really happened.
DO: Reason being, we don’t care for the narration, all the details.
TI: All we want you to do is say what you did. It doesn’t matter.
DO: You don’t have to say: so and so came into the lab and said so and so then I came up and said so and so in other words you’re either a suspect or a witness and you write only the thing that caused you to write a witness suspected strike.
TI: The reason for that is, if you said something that was out of line it was your vehicle talking. And even if somebody said something to you that caused you to speak out it still is a suspected strike against you because you have instruction not to let anyone influence you to speak with your vehicle and not your mind, right? So if you write a note you don’t have to write everything that happened because in a sense it’s almost like trying to justify your actions.
DO: Yeah, it’s like trying to tell us that you were really provoked and that’s that you lose your cool.
TI: what you want to do is figure out how to do these things without allowing your vehicle to speak, where somebody can come up to you and say something to you that could provoke you and your first response may be to want to say something to them but if you kick it, and you let your mind come in then you can negotiate. In other words, your mind was thinking ‘well I know that we wanted to do this at this time but could we wait just a few minutes and let me complete this instead of coming up with a sharp answer. This way you won’t let your vehicle talk and if the other person wants to talk then that’s their choice but hopefully they won’t want to prevent their vehicle from talking. As soon as we learn this we can have it under control and it’s really so simple.
DO: A couple things to add to that, one of them – we’ve gotten some suspected strike notes when individuals didn’t name themselves whether or not they were playing the witness or the suspect. You don’t ever write a suspected strike note without naming yourself the witness or the suspect. Now, to tell you the truth. The gospel. We shouldn’t be getting any notes about suspects. But, I wish we could trust all of you to be keen enough to know when your vibrations are lowered. And that you would want it exposed in order to get control of it, that you would write notes anytime your vibrations are lowered, you say something out of place or anything else on that list but that you’d write something as a suspect because that’s what it should be – we shouldn’t have any witness. You see what we’re saying?
DO: No, for now we have to.
TI: We have to, right to work it out.
DO: We’re saying ideally we wouldn’t have any. And they would like to work very quickly up to it but let’s say that you feel like you can’t get enough information out in your suspected strike note that you have serve both as a witness and a suspect, then you write two notes – you write one as a suspect for what occurred and one as a witness. And write only what occurred with you in the position of a suspect and only what occurred with you in the position of a witness.
TI: Not word for word what happened, but what
DO: No, no were talking about what the pertinent …
TI: What I did, at a certain – in order words if I said something to you that could change the vibration, change your vibration then I would say I’m afraid — well not afraid, but I was guilty of letting my brain, my vehicle speak to so and so and I said something that I feel very badly about saying but you don’t have to go into  – you can even say, I told him to drop dead or whatever it is.
DO: We’d like to know what you said.
TI: You don’t have to give us the whole story because in a sense it’s saying well I really couldn’t help it.
DO: That’s right, it’s like you want us to see the whole picture so that we’ll understand why you did what you did.
TI: There’s no way that it could be right. Even if someone came up and cursed you. If you told them to be quiet or shut up or whatever it is because you have an outlet for – you can turn them off. Or you can just look at them and say: ‘well I’m sorry you feel that way.’
DO That’s right, or say nothing. But it’s better to say nothing than to enter in to the duel.
TI: And its very hard because the vehicle will respond and that’s what you wanna catch – it’s reflex responses. It doesn’t mean you won’t feel it – like we got a slippage or a suspected strike the person wrote about himself where he felt anger but yet nobody knew it.
DO: And we checked it out and the people involved – one person said: The only thing that I was aware of is I felt this individual was trying to catch themselves and that they might have felt some disturbance inside but in other words it didn’t spill off onto the other person.
TI: He didn’t allow it to happen, and that isn’t a strike – its only when you do something or say something to somebody that would change their vibrations or sound very human.
DO: In other words, if you’re successfully — if Srfody provokes me or I feel like she said something to provoke me or she slammed the car door on me (Do laughs) and it really gets to me but all she sees from me is an effort for me to totally contain myself, do you see what I’m saying? If she sees that I’m dealing, I’m struggling a little bit I’m not even trying to make her feel bad and even with the look on my face I don’t even want to involve her – all she’s doing is seeing that I’m trying to lick it on my own separately – in that instance then I have not striked. I’m not a suspect or strike nor is she a witness.
TI: And if he goes off and goes on a downer…
DO: I’m afraid I am a suspect.
TI: …and everybody sees him going on a downer, he is a suspect.
DO: Even if I go on a downer and they don’t see me because downers are on the (beg?) that’s right – my downer has to be inside of me so that it is not making my vibrations off. It’s not interfering with my task, you see what I’m saying? I can’t go into the closet or I can’t go hide someplace and have a real good downer and get rid of it – if I do I’ve given into it.
TI: Was there something else you wanted to mention about what we were talking about on that note.
DO: Oh yeah, the other thing we had said was — Well let’s back up a second, in the last tape or that tape before, don’t know which it was, we clarified that everything you do with very little exception, you do with check partners. And we’re also finding out that there are some things happening in the craft that should not be done without check partners. But the things that you can do without a check partner I think we mentioned already – you can’t take a check partner into the BC (Swy: Bath Chamber) with you, you’re not going to – they are not going to check you when you go down (Swy: sleep). I don’t know what were the other things we hit?
Student: …getting dressed, bathing…
DO: I think we later came back and said that for the most part that was something you could use a check partner for. Okay, so let’s assume that everything we do we do with check partner. In a sense I go to the BC with a check partner but the check partner does not go with me. You know what I’m saying? But I don’t go to the BC when he does not know I’m going to the BC. And I mean that literally because we know we don’t separate that much because we don’t want the other one wondering what we’re doing because they could become uneasy so that’s just how it works in the Next Level.
TI: In other words, what Do said: “I’m going to the BC I’ll be back in a few minutes.” If he goes out to the garage, “I’m going out to the garage for a few minutes”. If I go out we do that same thing in other words it’s letting them know where you are in case they need you for anything. That’s all it is.
DO: I wonder if it’d even be okay if they did that.
TI: I think that’d be great.
DO: Like if someone is in the living room in the craft and you’re getting ready to go to the BC what harm is there in saying I’m going to the BC for a couple minutes because at least if we call at that time and say where’s so and so you don’t say “well I think they’re around here somewhere, I think they might be in the BC” and then all this confusion and say why don’t you know? We feel like everybody ought to know if they’re in craft or out of craft and you ought to know who’s out and who’s in and the people who are in you ought to know where they are.
So let’s do that but that leads to another point that we wanted to cover a little more carefully that since that’s the case. And this is just a reminder but since that’s the case in the partnership of doing a task if I can’t accomplish the task because of my partner not using me as a check partner or if I fail to be a check partner with my partner then I, of course, will have to write a note of being a suspect or a witness in that case. If I am not in that task I cannot be a witness except for exceptions we’ve made of security or
tool damage. I think that clarifies the next point.
TI: Just as a little example, we have received notes from individuals who have observed someone in the lab setting tools out or putting tools up without a check partner and the person who wrote the suspected witness strike was not on duty in the lab at the time. So those are the things we’re talking about.
DO: This is why we want all the responsibility going very severely to the suspect – we want some of it to go to the witness but like we told a few minutes ago, and before we started the tape that ideally we wouldn’t be getting any suspected strike notes from witnesses we would be getting them only from the suspects but we said for now we still want to get them from both. TI did you want to say any more on this topic?
TI: Any questions?
DO: Recently we see more and more how the things that you deal with in your own – the things  that your vehicle causes you difficulties with even though you know they’re primitive ways of the vehicle or they’re genetic problems that either have been passed on to you or you picked up in the vehicles early years but we also are realizing that the primary cause of these things is – a term we might use is ‘nutritional’ but usually when we say nutritional you think of food. And so we’re not talking entirely of food. When we’re talking of nutrition we’re talking about the chemicals – the minerals, the vitamins everything that should, the vehicle should be having.
Let’s say that these vehicles have not – or that some groups of them in some areas may receive it through the waters in the areas or some community eating habits they might have less characteristics in certain areas because they’re getting better nutrition in those areas – getting better minerals and chemicals to control the brain in those areas. But of course some people who might have moved into these areas have brought those weaknesses with them and will also influence others to have that like conduct so there’s a lot of interchange with that. We read an article in one of the magazines yesterday that was saying — There was an article on how humans respond to what humans call ‘love’ and there’s a group of people and what they want is that constant feeling of being in love and a very strong attraction to someone is what humans would label being ‘in love’, period. And the moment that begins to wane then they’re desperate for that ‘in love’ thing. So usually, hop from one individual to another for that ‘in love’ thing.
So scientists are beginning to suspect and are even on the brink of realizing that it’s a chemical in the brain that is lacking and that by searching almost desperately for that in love situation. That when they find an in love situation for a few days or a month or however long it lasts, it forces the brain to secrete it’s missing chemicals in that area so for the period that they’re being satisfied or for the period that they’re in that in love circumstance it’s secreting that chemical. You see what we’re saying? But as soon as that begins to wane then that shortage of that chemical is returning and so in comes the desperation of searching for the in love experience.
There’s another group of people who they classified as a barnacle in other words people who latch onto another person and they latch on in such a way that even when the relationship gets totally sour they can’t stand to let go of that individual in other words they’re desperate to do anything not to let go of that individual even though they might have been the very cause of their relationships falling and they recognized that also is a behavioral characteristic that comes from a chemical shortage in the brain.
Now, if you can look at that and relate that on a parallel to all of the ways that our vehicles perform in unlike Next Level ways its because they’re unhealthy in that sense they’re primitive but in a more realistic sense the reason they’re primitive is because they’re unhealthy. Because, they aren’t receiving the needed nourishment to stop those impulses, those responses and the vehicle is designed in such a way that if they have a severe shortage in an area they will do some action that will feed the vehicle to that shortage.
Now also there’s another way of feeding that chemical and that is by realizing the shortage exists and talking to the vehicle and not letting it to respond. And this is what you all are doing and believe it or not those humans are catching on fast out there and even though they’re very basic steps because they don’t know what to prescribe, the doctors and scientists don’t know what to prescribe they can’t say here take this or take that they say we suspect it may be this or that but we’re not sure yet but they’re on the trail of these things.
You know, since you all have just lately been using your rowing machines and your bicycles and doing jogging we listed a couple of these like Oshmans and these sporting places that handle equipment, handle exercise equipment and they say in the last few months their sales have just zoomed, they can’t believe that people are suddenly becoming so suddenly becoming so exercise conscious meaning equipment in the home exercise type – for a while it was all out on the jogging track now all of a sudden they’re more into bicycles so TI and I gave when we heard them talking that way because we thought well y’all are really sending your signals out in that way the fact that you’re doing that and you want to do it because you want to keep your vehicles healthy in that way its definitely going out in a signal.
TI: Well, there coming in so fast. It comes in and it goes out as fast as it comes in they can’t even keep up. Tell them also about those individuals who don’t respond sensually.
DO: Oh yeah, there’s a group of individuals we read this in another magazine, and these New York hospital group of psychiatrists, supposedly the top echelon of psychiatrists in the world are studying this group of people who have come to them and seem to be normal and so called ‘all normal ways’ except they don’t seek romance, they don’t seek a sensuous outlet and the reason they’re there is because the media has brainwashed them so to think that they need to have sex and romance and seek a mate then they’re going to psychiatrists because they don’t feel this normally.
And they are finding that this group of people have biologically and chemically a certain different characteristics than the people who seem to thrive on the sensual things. It’s like one hand of the scientists is trying to say is there a possibility that these people are healthier? And the other one are saying how can we help them and what they want is a healthy sex life and they’ve have numerous individuals just of late come in and they can’t trace it to anything wrong, they can’t trace it to poor childhood or something genetically that they can blame it on because they’re not problem people and they can have healthy friendship relationships and they can work with groups and they don’t fit into any of what used to be the recognized symptoms of problem areas the only thing that’s missing is they don’t seek a romantic relationship or sensuous relationship with other individuals, now that’s really interesting.
You’ve been putting out some good signals in those areas. Do you follow that. We have to read this magazine to check up on you… (DO laughs).

TI and DO transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal

May 6, 2019
TIDO audio transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal – 05-09-85
(Transcribed by NX VX and edited by Sawyer)
(Sawyer note: This meeting was about 4 weeks before DO held a meeting without TI and told us TI was diagnosed with cancer in her vehicles liver.  Also this was months after TI instigated a meeting and explained to us that DO was uncomfortable asking us for our commitment to him even though He knew His task was to be in that position of having students give their total commitment to him. In that meeting TI instructed us to make our commitment to DO).
We feel like the subject we talked about on the last tape, that we don’t want to talk about anymore now. We want to spend some time trying to re-establish, and establish better the feeling that we hoped that you were having at the time of learning what a committal was. Now when we talk to you at a meeting like this, sometimes we talk to, we have to always talk to the ones who are having the most difficulty with task of whatever we are talking about. Do you follow that? So when we talk to them it doesn’t, don’t assume that we’re talking to everybody. In other words we don’t want to feel like we have to say this applies to a few of you and not to some of you, you know but we do, you should understand that we are always talking to the things that we’re aware of that some are dealing with. Even though it might be one, we will still talk to all of you, many times we feel that we are instructed to do that, to talk to all of you about the things that maybe even one person is dealing with.
Now on the committal, I remember TI saying that if I were you I would re-establish that feeling of that committal daily. And yet I can’t believe, or we can’t believe that some of you are doing it. That you probably thought it was a good idea when you heard it and it sounded really good in theory, and a real super thing to do, but you didn’t make a plan. You didn’t go through the trouble to actually do it yourself. Whether it meant write it down in length and be sure that you felt it, and whether it meant doing it once a day, or three times a day, or ten times a day but from some of the notes that we’ve gotten we can tell that some of you feel like now that because the way you express yourself even. You say that now that the ray is not here, I have slipped in this area or that, and dern it, I can’t believe that have and, you got to get beyond that. You got to get where you can’t back into that, you can’t fall back into that. If you, well, let me use a personal example for a moment, of our awakening.You can’t imagine what took place in the battle between our minds and our vehicles, when just out of the blue in the matter of a few days, from the time that we were deciding that. Well it was about a month or two after we met for the first time, after these vehicles had met for the first time. Within a month or two, we knew we had to do something together that was going to be our primary effort. Like all day, and within a few weeks after that, we took the instruction that said we had to be under one roof and like the bobsy twins, twenty-four hours a day doing only this task, and yet we didn’t even know what we were doing.

Now, the reason I’m bringing it up is because you can imagine the rebellion that our vehicles had, for such a thing and how.  If we had let our vehicles, even though there was a period of time when we didn’t have enough control of our vehicles to keep from causing the other one a lot of difficulty, but very very quickly we had to get enough control of that, so that we were on our task all day, all night and not having to deal with the ups and downs of being a disturbance to the other one or sending the other one in a tail-spin, because our vehicle was losing control. In other words we were forced because we were, we couldn’t stand what it caused the other one, much less the discomfort of our-self. We were forced to maintain Next Level mind-type control all the time.
Now, the reason we bring that up is because it’s very easy for you – even though sometimes you don’t do it when we’re with you, but it’s easier for you when we’re with you at a meeting for an hour and a half, two hours every so many days. It’s easy to have your best mind on, during that time. It’s like, because it’s kind of a period of time. It’s kind of, even makes you feel good to have that best time on.
It’s like the feeling that humans get when they go to church. They go to church and it feels real good, and oh boy do they believe in the things that the preacher preached, and they really want to do them, and they say they want to do them, and they say they are going to do them, but they do at varying degrees, very little of what is happening and of course he doesn’t require much of it.
The human preacher or priest that they go to, now it’s almost that you don’t recognize, in your conscious mind, that it has to be sustained. When you make a committal, to an Older Member, that Older Member should not be able to call you at any moment – during any period of time when you would not be in the same committal frame of mind that you are when you have a prior notice of the Older Member’s coming to visit with you, and then you prepare and get rid of all the things that are, put on a good face and oh I’m ready for church again, here comes the Older Member! You’ve got to know that the vehicle will continue to do that, if you let it get away with it. In other words you’re still ignorant to some of the characteristics. You’re not wise to some of the con-games of the vehicle that still will do things.
In other words TI and I don’t run off to the closet, occasionally, to get rid of the hostilities that the vehicles would feel because of the requirements of the tasks. Do you follow that? If there were moments, long long time ago, when we felt like we had to run off and get to the closet in order to get rid of those things, we quickly had to get past that period or we were still very very two-faced! Our schizophrenia was showing, and the bad side of the schizophrenia was almost stronger than the good side. Now even though you feel maybe that you’ve come a long way in your change and in the degree of your control of your vehicle, and now you’ve even recognized that the Next Level Mind likes some of the vibrations of this human kingdom. You still, we feel like we’re on the piano-roll at a point where this can’t be tolerated. It’s like a unconscious way of saying to Links, It’s like saying to us “don’t you know that I love the Next Level? I really, I love the Next Level with all my heart and I don’t want anything else. The world out there doesn’t appeal to me at all, but these little things that my vehicle still keeps getting away with – goodness – I can’t do anything about it. It’s just, but I’m getting better, I’m getting better at it and I want to get better at it!” And you believe it, but at that rate of development we either have to think in terms that we find it impossible to think. We either have to think poor so and so can’t do it, and so we have to just be permissive of very very slow rate of growth.
Now we don’t believe, when we are really honest with ourselves, we don’t believe the Next Level sent one to do this task who couldn’t do it, and the task requires control sufficient of the vehicle to not give into the vehicle and a human way. Now you know there was a time, out of our love for you believe it or not, we didn’t even want to let somebody leave their task because we loved them more than – even when they seemingly hated us, we loved them so much that we didn’t want to see them throw their task away. Now it’s switched to where your committal has to prove itself enough that you must be prepared for the fact that we may get instruction to say so and so and so and so, we’ll try to help you go somewhere and wait until we, leave together, because we’re just not moving fast enough, and you’re dragging your feet.
TI:  (Inaudible)
DO:  Yes.
TI:  You’ve got to realize that you have a task, and your task is more important, at this time than ever. Even though it has always been important, but we’ve got to get-this going. Now if you’re not capable of doing your task, then like DO said we may be given instructions to take the task away from you, and give it to somebody else.
DO:  Which is no different than taking…
TI:  Lab
DO:   a task away from people that realize they are not ready for it.
TI:  Now we’re not, we don’t have instructions to do that right now. We have instructions right now for you all to get this committal going again, because the ray has never left you.
DO:  And we –
TI:  We told you it had, but it didn’t leave you. It was still around you, we told you it was.
DO:  We told you that you could revitalize it.
TI:  Right, and yet for you to believe that it was gone because of the way we said it, meant that you were not sincere when you wrote your committal.
DO:  Right your committal was –
TI:  In other words it was just a lie. You only wrote it because you were caught up in…
DO:  The excitement.
TI:  the excitement of it all, and we say if you don’t love us, don’t tell us about it!
DO:  And don’t tell us about it, because you love us at the moment, –
TI:  Right-
DO:  but you can’t hang onto it.
TI:  If I tell you that I care about you more than anything, I mean it! And you can do, as long as you do not stand up and curse the Next Level, I will take anything from you! And I will try to help you in every way that I can because that is doing my task. Now if you love us then do your task! And do it a hundred percent. Make up your mind to do it, right now, and prove to us that what you wrote on that paper to us, you meant it! It’s as simple as that, show us! Don’t talk about it, show us!
DO:  We are getting instruction to tell you that we might get instruction that might include taking some off the task. If they just can’t muster up the energy or the effort it takes to demonstrate more control, because it is the control that does the work, both for your vehicle and for the task of the world. It is the exercise, constant control that does it, and you are capable of it, and we are not building you up or flattering you. We know that you are capable of doing it.
Now your vehicle can say is this a threat? If you want to listen to the vehicle, then it might call it that. We’re not threatening you, we’re just saying we have instruction to give to you that we have received that says you must be consistent with what you have said you believe and feel toward the Next Level, and toward two members of the Next Level that are with you working with you, and if you can hang onto it, you know it’s so funny when TI said (DO laughing). If you do love us, then you’re going to do your task, and it just echoed what the little New Testament says you know. When you read it because that’s all it’s about is if you love it, it has to be there. You can’t say I do, you’ve got to perform it. It has to be consistent.
TI:  Now when you’re to be consistent it means to do it under all obstacles. Now quite a few of you have come down with colds, and how did you handle that cold? Did you handle it as a member of the Next Level or did you handle it as a human? And question yourself because if you felt like you had to do this, that was not instruction to do it, then you handled it the way a human would do it. If you made up your own little rules, fell asleep in the chair or took extra rest because you felt like the vehicle needed it, because it had a cold or whatever other thing that your vehicle could of designed for. Then you are listening to the vehicle, and you were tested, and you flunked! And you should be aware of that your vehicle can do that, and therefore you want to build up enough ammunition in that direction so that when it comes on again, you’ll be able to handle it as a member of the Next Level. I have, this vehicle has had sniffles, and sinus trouble as long as I have been on this task. You all know, that I have been stopped up so, that I could hardly breath.
DO:  It’s seldom any other way.
TI:  But it didn’t stop me from doing my task. I learned to live with it, I did not think I was going to die, I did not think I needed any extra attention.
DO:  Or medication.
TI:  All I did need, was some Kleenex, (Laughter) which was either that or some kind of tissue that would catch the sniffles, but the point I’m getting at is if it’s an obstacle that comes your way then face it! Doctor it, take care of the vehicle, but don’t give into it and make it seem like it’s a big production. Now if you do feel weak then, like I do know if there have been times when this vehicle has felt weak and I have sat down or I have rested for a few minutes and felt better afterward, which is perfectly okay too, and when you do it you write a note saying: My vehicle, because of the cold, I’ve tried to do this and nothing seemed to make me feel any better so I rested for a few minutes and I felt better afterward. But you don’t need to go down for thirty or forty, or forty or sixty minutes. Not that any of you have done that I’m not saying you have. I’m trying to make you understand how the vehicle can con you to believe that you need all this extra stuff because you have a cold.
(DO agrees)
TI:  Now you don’t want to abuse your vehicle. First, if our technique had been good, only one person would’ve come down with a cold. So what you want to do is be aware that a cold can come, we can come down with a cold anytime, and treat all of our lab tools as though everyone is contaminated and if you do that we won’t spread that sickness. Now the ones of you who need extra work, no. The ones of you who are really trying to do good, which is all 35 of you, you will be faced with tests. Some of you will have tests from Links, some of you will have tests from each other, or some of you will have tests at your out-of-craft tasks and how you handle those tests is what’s important.
DO:  You know, a human parent, when –
TI:  Let me finish what I was saying.
DO:  Oh I’m sorry, I thought you were.
TI:  In other words what you want to do is to be on guard at all times, and if somebody comes, right before you’re going down and gives you something, say from Links, we want it to be like a neon light going on in, or a red light going off in your brain. Saying uh oh here’s a test, how am I going to handle it? But if you have a poor response, you go down, you get up the next day and you thought about it and then you try to correct it, you really didn’t pass the test. Now this is what you want to stop. If your vehicle wants to go over the norm on things, and you go over the norm and then write a note to Links about it. You have flunked the test! You have not done your task, because your task is to stay, to keep that vehicle under control and it is the vehicle that is acting up. It isn’t your Next Level mind, can you understand that? Now these are the ways that you’re not doing your task, if you cannot do it. There are some of you in the class who can do it, and we want the ones who really want to do it to take these tasks and do it, so we can get out of here.
The Next Level, I’m sure, gets very tired of hearing me say please can’t we get out of here? Can’t we bring this task to a close? And in my ignorance I’ve asked that, and the Next Level is thinking, (TI laughing), well sure you can go anytime, as soon as your task is completed. We’re waiting on you, so to speak. So if you want to get out of here, if you’re tired of doing this task in the right way then do something about it. Get busy, do the task, make up your mind you’re going to do it, and stop fudging! Stop playing around, this is no game!
You’re in the big time right now, bigger than anything, and it is a game that has to happen! I mean a task that has to happen and you shouldn’t want to give it up. Not after all this time. Don’t make us take it away from you. We don’t want to take it away from you, but you cannot sit in here and expect it to happen with no effort from you! It’s as simple as that. Get some fight in you! Be determined and say I’m going to show the Next Level I can do it! I’m going to stop doing crazy things that this vehicle wants to do! And do it, even the best can improve. I mean from little bitty things on up to the mountainous things.
DO:  Sometimes the, we know that when you’re listening to us, that you want to have that fight, and we know that when you have enough Next Level Mind in, we know that you can see the little things that you’re dealing with as just filth. I mean just really stupid, like insignificant. In fact you can’t, you wonder why it can be so important to you to do it that you, that how can you get so far from your Next Level consciousness to give into those little things, and to yield to those things when they certainly aren’t worth what the consequence is of continuing to yield to them.
You know when a human parent performs the task of teaching, and when they really have tried to teach the very best of their ability to their off-springs, and they carry that teaching until they feel like they have given them what they had to teach them, but after they have given them that there comes a limit of how much they will permit those off-springs to stay in their house and not abide by the rules, and it’s not that they don’t love those off-spring, and it’s not that they wouldn’t suffer horribly to have to say “I’m sorry but you’re of age now and if you are going to live in my house you have to live by the rules.” And that’s the way it is in the Next Level. That’s the way it is, right here, in the Next Level.
You’re of the Next Level. We’re of the Next Level. We’re Older Members to you, you are like off-spring, in a sense to us because you are Younger Members and we are like parents to you in a sense, in a parallel, and we feel like we have taught you these things and they aren’t that impossible to do, that we have tolerated your slowness to do them to beyond needing to continue to tolerate it. Now for your sake needing to continue it, it’s not for our sake. It’s not like, we can’t stand those things, its true we can’t stand them but it’s not- the point is that the household as a unit has growth to do, has movement to do, has to get on with greater development to still be piddling with some of the things that we’re piddling with, in our school that are holding us back.
Now if you use this meeting as an excuse for copping out on your task, you are really going to experience embarrassment and shame when you get back to the Next Level. If you use the information we have given you tonight as an excuse to cop-out. Now what I mean by that is if you say well I can see that they are talking about me, and I know that I’ll make that committal but I know that, you know I’ll probably still continue to do these things and therefore if the house doesn’t have room for me then I guess I’ll, before I get asked to leave I’ll leave because I don’t want to get asked to leave.
In case the Next Level should give such instruction. If you can listen to kind of thoughts like that, there’s an indication right there of why you’re still dealing with those things, and it’s not too late to stop listening to thoughts like that! Some of you still let oceans of negative possibilities come into your head before you decide oh my goodness that must be a negative. I’ll stop listening to that, when it could have been a little cut on your finger instead of a hole in your side that you have to mend because you have permitted so much negativity to come into your head. Not even recognizing it was negative until you were going around with your chin dragging on the ground because it depressed you so after having listened to all those negative thoughts!
Your sensitivity has to improve. Now when your sensitivity improves, it’s just like, let’s take consuming for example. If I’m consuming more than my vehicle really needs, then as it enters my mouth, something, the computer’s going off and saying goodness this doesn’t even taste good anymore. I’m not going to accept it, on just the shoveling-in thing. I have recognized that this single bite is probably a bite past, or maybe two bites past what the vehicle needed and dern it, it took me two bites to recognize that the vehicle didn’t need it. Now that, and so you stop at that point, now that can apply to everything. That can apply to when your vibrations are beginning to lower. In any other area, when you feel that anxiety coming on or you feel the vehicles tendency to want to lash-out at someone or to give-in to a weakness, you can, if your sensitivity is there, you will feel it before it gets anywhere close to coming in enough to get into! And in other words you shouldn’t wake up after the fact, like a drunk does, and say I was so drunk I didn’t know what I was doing, because to us in a sense, you have to be drunk to have permitted yourself to go through the act and then regret it. In other words you had to be unconscious, you had to permit a degree of unconsciousness because you still want to cling to these little ole’ sensory things. Almost as if you’re, “well I’m not, it’s like I’m not going to be down here very long and I can’t, these things aren’t going to be available to me when I get back in the Next Level so I, maybe just one more little taste of that degree of sensing those things.” No matter what the area is.
Now that’s not what goes through your head. We’re not saying that’s what goes through your head, but it’s as if that’s what you’re feeling because we’re holding the Next Level, we’re holding your Next Level Mind responsible for what your vehicle desires. We’re holding it thoroughly responsible for what your vehicle desires. We’re asking you to keep enough Next Level consciousness, and to recognize the symptoms of weakness before you stumble, and we don’t feel that that’s asking too much of you too soon.
We, believe it or not, when we have proven solid, in this, class may be over! If the class isn’t over, then there might be something that we really can enjoy doing as the next move before class is over. It doesn’t really matter, but we’re at a standstill, still clinging to these little annoying weaknesses that pull us down. Each time, don’t forget, each time one of you let’s those things occur because of the lack of your sensitivity, and you give into it and actually let it happen, no matter what it is – it cannot happen without affecting the others in your craft, and without directly affecting your teachers, and therefore – it’s not that we’re saying we don’t like it, even though we don’t. We’re saying that since it does affect us, and affect you, and affect your classmates. For the period of it affecting them we are all pulled back momentarily, are held from moving forward because we have to then put a Band-Aid on it and recover from it, and then move ahead.
So, I really feel and I know that TI does too, that if you would, in your bunks, spend more time or in your thoughts when you are at your out-of-craft task, or when you are riding in a vehicle, or when you’re sitting here, if you have a magazine in your hand your thoughts should still be, you should learn to always be having this kind of thought going on in your head: “I am not going to find myself in dark corners. I am not going to let myself get to spots where I am vulnerable.” I want to be able to have my spine strong and tall, knowing and proving my committal to Older Members that I can sustain what I said I felt for them, because I know that if I said it and yet my actions, in between the times I say it, don’t prove it because I do things against their teaching, then I am not truthful. I am just wishful, instead of actually being truthful.
TI:  An incident happened, well about a week ago, with one of the classmates and the individual felt like, which the individual flunked a test in the process of talking to me, and it literally made that individual sick, and we knew it made them sick, and it took that individual a while to recover because they felt like they had let Links down. Now to me that individual meant her committal.
DO:  Now do you know what TI is saying?
TI is saying that the moment the individual recognized what had occurred, and is not something that had occurred with any frequency. Do you follow what we’re saying? But the moment the individual realized what had actually occurred, it made them sick at their stomach, and they couldn’t say to the Older Member enough: “I can’t believe this happened! And it’s not going to happen.” We could feel the depth of feeling there and knew that was love for Next Level ways and Older Members. Now if that comes easy, that if those words come easy, and they have no depth, and the act is repetitious then it has no significance. You follow what we’re saying?
Every one of you, are capable of that kind of depth. Now you will not be capable of that kind of depth if you continue to permit repetitious giving in of things. As long as you, because it doesn’t grow, it’s like when that moment of temptation comes to you it’s what happens in you that resists at the most tempting moment, that’s what gives you depth, and if the resistance isn’t there, the depth does not develop!
TI:  Understand? Now none of you are in a condition, or position right now, where you cannot do your task. There’s not a single individual sitting here who cannot do their task, but we don’t know how long that will last. In other words it depends upon you, on how well you want to do your task. You’re getting payment for doing your task. The Next Level’s giving you a new body, a new chance to enter their world, and why goof up on it! Why throw it away? This is what you have been working for all, from the very beginning when you were just a speck of dirt. If that’s the way it happened.
(TI laughs)
But the point I’m getting at is don’t throw it away because of some dumb vehicle!
DO:  Or we’re just not being awake when the vehicle wanted to get away with it.
TI:  Because the vehicle is going to, not even the – what the vehicle is feeling isn’t even going to exist after you get into your next vehicle! (DO laughs)
DO:  Yeah, not even going to be a place for it.
TI:  So why listen to it!
DO:  Not even going to be a place for it. That’s a good point. If you could get that in your head well enough you would, it would give you some better ammunition.
You know, I can feel the force and the potency of what we are giving you tonight, and we’re pleading with you not to just throw it away. For your sakes, we’re pleading with you, to just not throw it away.
TI:  You know the Next Level really played a trick on you a couple of weeks ago, and they played it on us also when they told us that the ray had left, they turned it off.
DO:  Certainly feel it now.
TI:  But the ray was not turned off, but I’m sure the psychological thing of it all was. I mean it was strictly a psychological game, I can see it now that we said that because then, if your committal had been sincere, you would have continued to feel that love that you were feeling whether the ray was there or not. So we told you the ray had been turned off because that’s what they told us to say to you, and we felt like that was right.
DO:  But we also said that you can generate it.
TI:  That’s right.
DO:  I wish that you could catch, I wish the contagion of that generation was as good as your colds. I wish that because believe it or not it can be contagious. In other words it would almost isolate ones who refuse to sustain it. If the ones who sustained it sustained it so strongly that the others really felt out of place, and they would say now wait a minute, something is wrong here! And just because I feel out of place does that mean I’m going to go out of place or am I going to get in-step? And you should be able to know how good it feels when you begin to build some of that depth. It feels good, it isn’t easy, the task isn’t easy but it’s really rewarding.
Nobody mislead you when you came to think it was easy. In other words they didn’t cheat on you there – say that you were going for a joyride that turned out to be a hard task. I think you even knew, I think it was even, I know it was in the consciousness of your Next Level Mind. You certainly knew how difficult the task, if you had not known you would not have stayed when the first difficulty arose, much less the second, and the third, and the fourth one. Now what about this one? Because this one’s where we are and this is the most difficult of all.
TI:  This is going to do your task, and it’s going to accomplish what needs to be accomplished for your Next Level bodies. So don’t throw it away, it’s important. It can’t be taken lightly because it’s very very serious, and we hope that we never have to take a task away from somebody, not at this time. You have any questions about this? [Do you all want to do it]?
Students: Yes.
TI:  Some of you didn’t answer what does that mean? (DO and students laughing)
DO:  Okay.
TI:  [What] I would start doing, if you’d like a little tip, I’d get back into that ray. I’d get back and grab hold of it.
DO:  And take it with you into the shadows. (DO laughs)
TI:  That’s right hang onto it, and know that that ray is right there for you and conquer this crazy vehicle, these crazy vehicles. All the little dark corners and be prepared for every obstacle that comes your way. I know the colds have weakened some of you, which they should not have done. It’s no excuse to be weak because you’ve had a cold. You just don’t, because all of those things that come your way, in that way are just tests, to see how you can handle it. So get strong, get hold of the ray, and do your task. That’s all we can say.
(DO) (Inaudible)
TI:  Listen to this tape a lot.
(Class laughs)

Introduction to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate by Sawyer

October 6, 2017

I have had a stock statement I always sent to people who come to my facebook page and request to become a “friend”. I just updated it since some new media is being publicized by a couple big media groups who I gave interviews to. That’s what follows:

Introduction to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate by Sawyer

For the record, I am not starting a group or cult or trying to be anyone’s leader, or teacher, nor fostering any kind of relationship with anyone sexual or otherwise beyond communications related to my 19 years of experience as a student in Ti and Do’s “classroom”. The “classroom” as it was under Ti and Do’s direction does not and can not exist anymore. And I’ve never kept track of who tells me they believe in Ti and Do.

I discourage anyone who tells me they are considering suicide. That has happened several times over the years.

I don’t believe anyone now is in the same place as those 38 students who laid down their human lives in 1997. Dying is not an automatic ticket into Heaven as has been generally taught in some religious and spiritual belief systems. DO and Crew wrote,

“We know that it is only while we are in these physical vehicles (bodies) that we can learn the lessons needed to complete our own individual transition, as well as to complete our task of offering the Kingdom of Heaven to this civilization one last time. We take good care of our vehicles so they can function well for us in this task, and we try to protect them from any harm.”

You can read more about how they thought about suicide in this document that is posted on the Heavens Gate Website that I re-posted to my blog at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/23/our-position-against-suicide-by-do-and-crew-posted-on-heavensgate-com/

Further perspectives of suicide are explained in a document one of Ti and Do’s students wrote that was included in their Heaven’s Gate Book, along with many other subjects is here:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/evolutionary-rights-for-victims/

Here is a link to Ti and Do’s first public statement written in 1975:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-first-statement/

A free download is still available of DO and Crews Book entitled, ‘How and When “Heaven’s Gate” (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered’, from their website:

http://www.heavensgate.com

Though I know well my two former classmates who still maintain that website, I have no affiliation.

I provide most of the same documents, plus links to the Beyond Human video series and other related materials TI and DO and Crew made on my blog at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/book-appendix-links/
(This document is the appendix of my book)

Here is a link to one of three audio tapes that were recorded of both Ti and Do speaking. There are many more available freely to those who ask for them:

Blackhawk 1 of 3 – Ti and Do re adam eve lucifers prison

To see some of what DO wrote about the Space Aliens in an informational ad placed in USA Today on May 27 1993:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/06/27/usa-today-adstatement-may-27-1993-by-do-the-rev-6-applewhite-horse/

To see what DO wrote when he felt it time to state he was the return of the same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus. He never said he was “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level took to perform his task through:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/10/22/undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

My book, entitled, ‘TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses’ is available for free and for purchase as an ebook and/or softcover.

Here is the link to my book web site that also includes a big section of the book on the blog there:

http://www.tianddothefatherandjesusheavensgateufotwowitnesses.com/
(Purchasing it through this link goes through my publisher so is not the most economical way to get the softcover.)

My book is free by copying and pasting from my blog. Here is the link to the first of seven sections of the book. It’s very long so I had to break it up to post it all:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/01/26/ti-and-do-the-father-and-jesus-heavens-gate-ufo-two-witnesses/
(Just search my blog on the title for the remaining 6 sections)

More economical and practical ways to get my book is by buying the ebook using a Kindle reader off of Amazon and/or as a softcover on Barnes and Nobel and like I said through my publisher who also has a number of other ebook formats available.

For the record, though I do collect royalties for book sales, I did not write it to make money with. To make money with it, there were many other ways to write it.

Though I believe the writing of this book was a task Ti and Do offered me to do, I can’t prove that to anyone as I never received that task from their mouth, so perhaps it’s not. I did not leave their “classroom” to perform such task. I flunked out and simply have another chance to learn the lessons I needed to learn.

The book’s content attempts to bring evidence of how Ti and Do were the fulfillment of all of Jesus’ (Second Coming) prophecies to include the Book of Revelations, though much of that material is still in process of fulfillment. I did a great deal of translation examination that took me into the Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek word manuscript origins.

Plus I always strove to stay in context. Ti and Do always said that the Next Level worked very hard to preserve an accurate enough record of what Jesus said, as seen in a red letter edition of the New Testament.

Believe it or not, that doesn’t make me religious or even Christian, in the ways those labels imply. They are historic records and the religions arose as a distortion and dilution of what Jesus taught, mostly occurring by the varied interpretations of those records.

Also for the record, there are some who have posed as facebook “friends” trying to catch or harass me in some way, which I know is part of the territory to deal with, which is why I say all this to new “friends”. I never make a friend requests though I have joined some groups to be included in certain conversations to share some of what I’ve learned as I know there are some who are interested when they hear certain perspectives about Ti and Do and Crew.

However I never automatically preach or bring up Ti and Do but am also not slow to talk about them should something they say stimulate a perspective I got from them.

There is a heavensgate facebook group that I did not start but I was included as a owner of the group. I only keep it active to keep it away from charlatans, however seemingly well intended. I only say this to explain it’s presence on my facebook page Sawyerhg.wordpress.com since it would appear to be a group I support but do not.

Many of the friends on this facebook page are simply curious and most often I don’t know who believes in Ti and Do and to what degree and don’t seek to find out. There are a few exceptions who have helped me with little projects and to which I have helped them with their little projects, like videos.

But there are no secret pacts or plots or core new believers. We each only answer to Ti and Do in our individual relationships the same as anyone, whether people know of Ti and Do or not.

Many of us humans have had a real relationship with the Next Level, thinking of Them as their Heavenly Father or their Higher Power or God or Allah or Buddha or Krishna, etc. At the same time many use such terms and think they have a connection they don’t as Jesus said would happen during this time period especially. Even so we can’t judge another in this regard. Even if a human is acting in ways that are contrary to Next Level qualifying behaviors and ways, none of us know when they might change and how fast.

Ti and Do indicated that there are no other Older Members on earth to perform this task and none to come during this civilization so anyone who claims to be their return or their reincarnation or to be receiving information from them, like as a channel or as a remote viewer, contactee or psychic reader, or using the name Jesus or other Biblical figures as in the Two Witnesses are either deluded, even tricked by the various lower forces or lying.

TI and DO said that choosing to become an atheist can be a good step away from religion and spirituality, though all paths in the human kingdom can lead to the top of the human mountain. However, there is only one way off that mountain top and that’s by going through the lesson steps provided by someone who evolved beyond the human kingdom, evidenced by their teaching the separation from the human kingdom (even though it will be in degrees and always by our own choices).

One of ways to correctly interpret the term antichrist could be as one who is anti the Christing process that of course Jesus established. That “process” is the overcoming process that each human must engage by seeking the Mind (holy spirit) – from the Next Level via the information they taught while incarnate. Calling on the name Jesus can be answered by any number of discarnates or Luciferian space alien fallen angel souls which is part of why Jesus taught to project our asking to our “Father in Heaven” as the discarnates and space aliens can not actually travel very far from the earth anymore.

Thus when we see “signs” in outer space, perhaps as near as the moon, since Jesus said they would be in the Sun, Moon and Stars that would include planets and comets, etc., they are from the Next Level.

I am transparent with my life but not with personal info or the personal info on any other former members of the group who I still have some contact with whether they still believe in Ti and Do or not.

If you wish to review my little bio, for whatever it might be worth, it’s found on my blog at:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/sawyers-storyraptured-by-the-rev-11-two-witnesses-bo-dojesus-and-peeptifathers-second-coming/

How Sawyer fell by giving into sexuality in Ti & Do’s classroom and then dropping out by choice:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/sawyers-experience-with-sexuality-in-ti-dos-classroom/

Here are some Q and A but there are a lot more on my blog:

I was asked if I still followed the teachings of Ti and Do.

Sawyer’s reply: yes, as best I can, like according to the “Major and Lesser Offenses” and the “17 Steps” and other guidelines, though in this very different application, not having Ti or Do or fellow classmates present and having gone back into the world and started a human family, who I continue to help (now 20 yr old daughter), but I have had no relationships or sexuality with anyone for the last four years. However, I do find myself slipping in some of the behaviors at times so it’s a continuous process to maintain. When we slip from the standards, whether they are Ti and Do’s and/or the Jesus standards, it’s important not to let that become a reason to become separate minded from Ti and Do, that is if we want to be of one Mind with them. We can easily think that if I don’t do everything perfectly I might as well not do anything – a Luciferian ploy to turn our eyes away from doing our best for Ti and Do and their Next Level. The Next Level doesn’t need any of us to believe in them in any way. We must qualify to their standards though they give us lots of help and time to do. The traps are many but we can recover from all of them to keep moving forward.

To someone who says they have started a “Heaven’s Gate Militia” I replied:

I don’t condone violence against the govt or anyone. If we were to think of ourselves as soldiers for Ti and Do (of the real Jesus) it would be by use of our mouth – in words – the words that Ti and Do and Jesus provided us (that they also said included the red letters in the gospels, and their references to the Book of Revelations to help people see their ideas, perspectives and qualifications to become a prospective member of their Next Level Above Human.

The truth about Ti and Do will soon be lost as upon their exit started the gradual diminishing of the “light” they brought to the world. If you want a bundle of their materials give me an email address as the bundle includes audio files of meetings within the group since the early 1980’s that I was present for.

There are many misconceptions abounding and in Christian circles. Many started with the writings of Paul of Tarsus who never knew Jesus and never received instruction from him, nor was he tasked as a delegate (apostle) on his behalf. An Older Member doesn’t come incarnate if there is any other way to teach their student body what it takes to make application into membership in the Next Level.

For Christians to base what they believe on what Moses wrote, except for the things Jesus said to believe and act on, is like applying lessons given to toddler Souls when by the Jesus time they could be having a high school curriculum approaching graduation.

For instance Ti and Do were not pro or con abortion. They are always pro choice though our choices are not always going to be what they would choose and it’s not easy knowing what they would choose unless we ask them to reveal it to us.

Ti and Do said it was against their Next Level ways to be making weapons designed to kill other humans let alone using them for killing. There is no justification, but that’s to please the Next Level, which is always a choice.

Ti and Do said that it doesn’t matter one’s sexual preferences as to graduate the human kingdom one must become non-sexual because Members of the Next Level are non-sexual so one needs to build their Mind starting in the human kingdom to be “born” into their kingdom. I recall DO saying that those who are homosexual have overcome gender consciousness, though not necessarily sexual consciousness.

Ti and Do said we were all striving to be “color blind” in terms of race so we don’t act any differently to someone based on the race of their vehicle.

TI and DO were supportive of euthanasia when a human vehicle is so wrought with pain and/or has no capacity any longer to function and/or have experiences to learn lessons through.

There really is no comparison with Ti and Do and any other cults. Ti and Do referred to their group as the “cult of cults” and the “cult of truth”. There is a great deal of evidence of how Ti and Do had a way of naturally filtering out those who were not serious enough to go the full distance of graduating though they always treated each student as if they could go that full distance.

There were no abuses and there is no dirt in the Ti and Do story. Some have tried to find dirt and didn’t find any, even after listening to hundreds of hours of audio tapes. Even a number of dropouts who ceased to believe in Ti and Do have next to nothing to say against them. One said that they didn’t provide enough dental care options to students, though I got plenty of dental care. Yes there were lots of rules that developed over time but never any yelling or use of guilt or punishments or other human behaviors that are common in many organizations.

Transfiguration of Jesus related to Ti saying Do had been incarnate as Adam, Moses, Elijah and Jesus

July 13, 2015

The Transfiguration of Jesus and reported meeting with Moses and Elijah

According to Ti (Do’s Older Member (Father)), Do was the same Older Member of the Next Level who started the experiment incarnate as Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus. This can be found in Ti and Do’s statement, “What is Happening in the Heavens at This Time!” that can be found in the back of the book, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” written soley about Them by Brad Steiger and Hayden Hewes from several interviews with Them. (Ti and Do weren’t happy with the book but I don’t know exactly why.)

During the event of Jesus, with his disciples, James, John and Peter as witnesses on the mountain He was reportedly “transfigured” described as “his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering”. Do said this was the point where he had reached his METAPMORPHIC completion. At some point thereafter he was seen “talking with two men” (man faced) and in the three gospel accounts the two men were Moses and Elijah which stimulated the question. (The full three gospel accounts are at the end of this post):

Because of what Ti had said, does this mean that all three; Jesus, Moses and Elijah were sharing one Soul?

I would say, No, they were three different Members of the Next Level.

Before I describe how I arrived at that opinion I want to provide some background qualifications; Ti and Do never claimed that one could count on everything that was said in the New Testament to be the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They always said the Next Level worked very hard to make sure the records of what Jesus said were preserved and reliable, as shown in a Red Letter edition.

However, since the time They said that there are Red Letters given to the Luciferian phony antichrist, “Jesus” who entrapped Saul/Paul of Tarsus, so even that can’t be counted upon entirely.

That core Jesus teaching is still very well in place though it’s mostly ignored, diluted into spiritual definition of terms or distorted, because of the way the Luciferian space alien fallen angels and those they could influence have flooded the human kingdom with wrong information. Do said humans hardly stood a chance and said Christians were among the most targeted group.

Examples of that distortion is apparant in the thinking that “Jesus did it for us”, so we don’t have to, or even to embrace ALL Jesus literal behavior and ways, suggestions and instructions (commandments) is tantamount to “trying to earn your way into heaven”, as I was often told when I was traveling church to church telling preachers about Bo and Peep as the Two Witnesses of Revelations chapter 11. The list of misinformation is very long anymore but now with Ti and Do’s teachings being revealed more in scriptural terms, the test is whether we will seek the full truth through hearing all Ti and Do said and did.

To restate that core, Jesus teachings shows that we each must GIVE OUR LIFE. This is shown by believing and trusting everything Jesus said and did, and sharing that with others, which at that time would stimulate the same response from the lower forces, through humans, as it did against Him, which would also result in the loss of a student’s human life. In so doing each student will be rewarded with eternal life in Jesus and his Father’s Kingdom, that is, if one continues through to enlist and complete the next lesson plan, when The Kingdom of God (as Jesus described them) Older Members return incarnate to provide the “process of overcoming the human world”, which involves more than “giving your physical life”. The full “Overcoming Process” will add up to a complete SEPARATION from the human kingdom roots of family, behaviors and ways and any sense of self, replacing our mind with the Older Member’s (holy) Mind (information, lessons, behaviors and ways) that in so doing, while PLEASING Them will complete one’s graft to Their Above Human Family.

Once the Older Members have come incarnate again, to ignore them and what they say will be tantamount to dropping out of any potential to complete the course. Each prospective student must know this formula of seperation from the human kingdom regardless of whether or not they feel strong enough to engage it 100%. How much of our humanness we give is up to each one of us and is between us and our Older Members, who are to date Ti and Do , even though they are no longer incarnate. They are still very much alive and aware of everyone who calls upon their names with the desire to serve them and they will help each of us to the degree we want their help.

The overriding requirement to date, to becoming a student of theirs is to  study and believe everything Ti and Do said and did and to take a stand for them and accept the consequences in so doing. Doing so will begin one’s metamorphosis. Embracing all their behaviors and ways will accellerate your metamorphosis. Looking to them for help with our every step is crutial to starting one’s bond. You will become aware of their helping you.

To try to overcome the world outside of their program, bypassing pleasing them by doing all they give us to think, say and do, is trying to EARN one’s wings without Them and is not actually possible. However, it’s not about giving all or nothing. That can be another trap to get people to avoid the entire premise. As I often say to myself and others. We’re going to give ourselves to someone and our life up at some point, like it or not, so why not decide who to give it to and put our trust in Ti and Do’s hands. They will never abuse that trust. Those that never heard of Ti and Do fall into a different category of souls and could be saved for a future opportunity depending on the Next Level crew’s judgement of what each has done and is capable of.

Now on to the question:

With that perspective, in the transfiguration account that is told in Matthew, Mark and Luke’s writings, that each provide different details of, the only thing Jesus actually says, presumably to all three, John, Peter and James is to, “tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead”. In Mark’s record he says these disciples talked about what “rising from the dead” meant, indicating that before this time it wasn’t part of their lessons to understand completely. Luk 9:31 indicates Jesus “decease…at Jerusalem” was at least some of what was talked about between Jesus and these two depicted as Moses and Elias.

Another big point in looking at anything the Kingdom of God/Heaven stimulates: Members are not egocentric at all. They are all about performing “tasks” for their Older Member, one’s “Father”, whether They are in the literal heavens, or physically present in some observable way, as Jehovah was at times with Moses, though in a cloud cover, while allowing Moses to touch him at least once. Or they can demonstrate a physical presence in the form of a voice which took place on several occasions that Jesus at least once said was happening for the sake of the students. That happend during this Transfiguration event. And yet another way They can be physically present is as described in this account where two “men” were observed who the three disciples thought were Moses and Elias, (presumably Elijah). The point here is that the Next Level are not about individuality, though Ti and Do said upon graduation we become “individuals for the first time” due to the way discarnate influences use our bodies like a time shared computer. But Members of the Next Level don’t care about seeing their name in a spotlight in some way or getting credit or being identified as someone special. They would much rather not stand out, except in how their task warrants doing so. Thus, if they give names in some way when they are physically among us in such a way that we can see them, then that’s for our sake to help us continue our growth towards birth into their Membership in the Next Level.

This brings up an important point. How did they know it was Moses and Elias? They wouldn’t have had pictures of them and we have no evidence of drawings or paintings, but perhaps all three got the same thought so regardless of how these two physically appeared, to them they were Moses and Elias.

One could believe that if they were wrong Jesus would have corrected them. I could go through all kinds of reasons to try to logically arrive at the possabilities. From my experience with Ti and Do, they didn’t give us more information unless they felt it part of their instruction to give us more. They would often say, “this works for now” – in other words it didn’t have to be 100% accurate in all it’s context – it was what we as a group needed to believe at that time. As it turned out everything they said was increasing our understanding of what was most true. In other words it’s often a test and can be a so called “straw that breaks the camel’s back” for some that are teetering in their committment. We saw this over and over with Ti and Do’s teachings that critics use as evidence that they weren’t who they said they were because of how they changed even initial seemingly core ideas. It was always interesting that to a core group of students their changes were accepted 100%. Frankly I was among them in that regard though I eventually met my challenge that surfaced a weakness in my committment so flunked a test as well. I also learned that what I thought was a 100% committment wasn’t. At the time one can’t really measure their committment anyway as one never knows when they will meet their ultimate test of that committment. One of my biggest mistakes was coming to think subconsciously that I was breezing through my overcoming. All that really meant was that I was unaware of what I wasn’t overcoming well enough as the bar can be continuously raised.

During this event, called his Transfiguration, Jesus had received something that lighted up his body. Ti and Do said this was when he had “changed over” his body into the start of a Next Level body, as after healing that body after it’s death he first met Mary Magdelene and told her not to touch him as he hadn’t yet risen to his Father. It was eight days later that he showed up in a closed up room with his disciples when he allowed Thomas to touch him so they would know it was him and that he was still a physical being, though with new facility to appear and dissappear while remaining physical and as he said “not a spirit”, but still composed of “flesh and bones” that included further proving the proof of by eating “broiled fish and honeycomb”. (Luk 24:39-43)

It’s most interesting that in Mat 17:2 the word translated to “transfigured” that largely represented some “altering” to his physical appearance in the Greek is “metamorphoo” from morphoo, the same as morphe – to fashion or figuratively form – through the idea of adjustment of parts, referring to a shape. Ti and Do said from the beginning that we were “growing a Next Level body inside our human body” referring to it as our “change over”. Ti and Do were never what one would call Bible scholors disecting every word and/or justifying what they taught by quoting chapter and verse, though they frequently would relate to what Jesus taught and said. They knew even in February of 1973, before they had fully awakened to what prophecy they were awakened to fulfill, that each of us, to adhere to the teachings of Jesus would be required to experience our own “christing” that included a separation from our worldliness and elimination of sexuality. Do wrote about this in “Statement One” first made public in March of 1975 equating the “overcoming process” to the metamorphosis of a catapillar (human) to a Butterfly (A Next Level Member that is above the student membership the fallen angels had that I believe Do equated to being what he referred to as “domestics”).

I am just pointing out the magnitude of this Transfiguration event and some of the way in which an Older Member manages their incarnate task, saying only what they feel instructed to say or what not to say regardless of it’s degree of absolute accuracy.  For instance, in 1975 Ti and Do said, “you don’t have to die to enter the Next Level”, yet they all died, so were they wrong as some say. I guess it depends on how you define “entering the Next Level”. In the first stage it seems “belief” in who the Older Members are is enough to get your spirit “saved” for a future lesson time. At that point one is in the keeping of the Next Level and unless one decides in subsequent lesson opportunities to drop out of the program and their care one will potentially graduate. But to graduate into full adult membership in the Next Level does require dying to one’s humaness in all ways, mentally and physically. Then we have the example of both Enoch who was reported by Moses as being “taken” and Elijah who was observed as “taken” and Moses was insinuated as being taken all without dying, though they had already graduated into Next Level adult membership.

It seems possible these “two men” were the same vehicles that were Moses and Elijah (Elias) but is it important that they were the same vehicles? A vehicle is to the Next Level an instrument compared to a specialized suit, Ti and Do compared to a human putting on a spacesuit or underwater suit to use for a particular task. Do said at one point in the Beyond Human Series that his vehicle had also become committed to his Next Level Mind behaviors and ways. Do also taught that there is a different type of “deposit” given to a human vehicle according to the Mind that would be taking it over (incarnating). There is a type of deposit that is not geared to become a new Soul when a returning Older Member Next Level Mind enters into it. I believe Snnody and/or Jnnody wrote about that to be found in the Purple Book. But every vehicle still has a Mind synonymous with Spirit. Some human vehicles are chosen to become the host for a new Soul that begins by their being given that soul as a “container”  deposited into the human vehicle, that Jesus spoke of as a “seed” and as the “new wineskin” that can then become filled with “new wine (mind/spirit)” that is geared to handle it rather than cause it to burst as that Mind/Spirit changes out (ferments) human mind for Next Level Mind.

Thus I guess it’s possible the vehicles named Moses and Elijah, used by the same Older Member (holy) Mind/Spirit/Soul (from Adam to Do) could have been kept alive and/or were themselves developing a Next Level Mind from so could have been brought back for the sake of the upcoming students to relate better to their appearance better. Imagine trying to describe a Next Level vehicle you saw while with Jesus if it was about 4 foot high, white in lack of coloration, a slightly larger than human head and no sign of hair with a very slim build. The people they would explain this to wouldn’t stand a chance of believing anything they said thereafter. The Next Level is fully cognizant to the need for these kinds of strategies.

The two at the tomb were called “angels” while the two that were with the disciples at Jesus ascension into the cloud were not singled out except for being dressed in white:

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

And the two that showed up in Sodom to give Lot and family a chance to escape the annialization of the city were only described as “angels, messengers, ambassadors, representatives, and men” in the account.

Ti and Do talked about how sometimes Members of the Next Level may have a task to relate to humans face to face and would try to come upon some clothing to wear that would seem normal. We had read accounts of seeing two people come into a store dressed in very out of date clothing that Ti and Do didn’t discount being Next Level crew activity. Perhaps those Moses and Elijah vehicles were just that vehicles that could function in some interface capacity. When the Next Level have a task that includes their graduation to a more sophisticated model vehicle, if it is advantageous to sacrifice the vehicle, they don’t hesitate though it’s always given as a option to the occupant. That’s what Ti and Do said happened before the start of their third trimester task. The option was given to a number who were of some equivilent service as the Luciferian fallen angels to sacrifice their existing physical body to go to earth to take over a human vehicle prepared for them to take it through the overcoming process that could result their Mind’s graduation to adult Next Level membership.

So again, my response to this question is No, it doesn’t seem the same Older Member (holy) Mind/Spirit/Soul was operating the vehicle named Jesus while operating the vehicle identified as Moses and the vehicle identified as Elijah.

Do said when he left his position on the spacecraft he put the vehicle he was wearing at the time “in a closet”. When he told us this, he also said that Ti didn’t do that same thing because Ti’s Mind had grown to be able to operate more than one vehicle at the same time. I don’t recall his saying how many vehicles Ti could operate at the same time but presumably it could be more than two. However that’s not to suggest Ti (as the one who was The Father) was manipulating the Moses and Elijah vehicles but I suppose it’s possible. However, I don’t think it’s likley as the Next Level from my experience doesn’t “concoct” events. They don’t put up fascades that I’m aware of. (That’s what the Luciferian do and they don’t sow seeds of confusion in what they expose us to. It’s just the opposite – when they sow seeds it’s geared to further strip away confusion the Luciferians sow).

ELIAS MUST COME FIRST – The same Greek word “Helias” is translated to Elias in all these New Testament verses. Jesus was even quoted while on the cross to be calling to the same Elias.

Strongs Hebrew/Greek dictionary indicates 2243 Helias is of Hebrew origin (‘Eliyah 452); Helias (i.e. Elijah), an Israelite broken down further to: “GOD OF JEHOVAH” shown by:

452 ‘Eliyah ay-lee-yaw’ or prolonged tEliyahuw {ay-lee-yaw’-hoo}; from ”el’ (410)

and

‘Yahh’ (3050); God of Jehovah; Elijah, the name of the famous prophet and of two other Israelites:–Elijah, Eliah.

410 ‘el ale shortened from ”ayil’ (352); strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity):–God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”

3050 Yahh yaw contraction for ‘Yhovah’ (3068), and meaning the same; Jah, the sacred name:–Jah, the Lord, most vehement. Compare names in “-iah,” “- jah.”

There ia a big problem with seeing these two “man faced” individuals as the actual physical vehicles and/or vehicular Minds/Spirits of Moses and Elijah, in addition to being the same name, Elias, Jesus was calling out to on the cross and the same name that the disciples on two occasions tied to John the Baptist, that was the same name that was indicated as returning to “prepare the way for the Lord” (Jesus) as indicated by Old Testament prophets, Isaiah (that Jesus often referred to the writings of) and Malachi. Malachi also indicates both a messenger and Elijah are coming back but he says Elijah returns before the “great and dreadful day of the Lord” which is often phrased that way to indicate the “day of judgement” which doesn’t take place until the END TIMES so can thereby be some additional evidence that the Older Member who was incarnate as Elijah also served incarnate as one of the Two Witnesses where there is a great deal of evidence were the Older Members, The Father and Jesus in a new human vehicle, having a NEW NAME his incarnate stage with his Father whom he would show us and tell us the name of as said in Rev 3:12.

This idea that John the Baptist was the return of Elijah came about from the opinion of whichever of Jesus disciples that summed up what Jesus had said, not from what Jesus actually said necessarily as shown:

Mat 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

Mar 9:11  And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?

Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore ((reconstitute)) all things.

Mar 9:12  And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.

Remember, Elias is “deity of Jehovah”, in other words a Member of the Next Level working for the Father Jehovah or as Do would say it, “on Ti’s crew”. It’s a task designation that an elder student is performing to represent Jehovah’s strategy, in this case of providing “preparation” to receive the Older Member incarnate as Jesus. (I actually suspect the Aurora (dawn) so called UFO crash in April of 1897 was this same kind of task – a forerunner to “prepare the way” for the return of the Father and Son and Crew in the same kind of entrance via crashing of spacecrafts to serve multiple purposes.)

Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever (they) listed ((2309 thelo= determined, desired, chosen, preferred, wished)). Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Mar 9:13  But I say unto you, That Elias is ((2064 erchomai= come, accompany)) indeed ((2532 kai= and, also, even, so, then, too)) come ((2064 erchomai= come, accompany)), and (they have) done (unto) him whatsoever (they) listed ((2309 thelo= determined, desired, chosen, preferred, wished)), as it is written of him.

Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

So once again, the disciples are adding it up for us and again it certainly looks that way but Jesus’ use of the word Elias can mean to him someone in prophecy spoken of as being a messenger rather than the same soul who performed the task incarnate as Elijah the Tishbite who evidenced being “from the Kingdom of God” as Jesus said that no one can ascend into the kingdom of God unless they came from the Kingdom of God. But “came from” doesn’t necessarily mean they are an Older Member from the Kingdom of God. They could still be a “student member” as Jesus indicated of John the Baptist (greatest among humans).

This sectoion of the records indicates some of how John the Baptist did or did not think about Jesus. It starts off referring to Jesus:

Luk 7:16  And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
Luk 7:17  And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about.

Luk 7:18  And the disciples of John shewed him of all these things.
Luk 7:19  And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
Luk 7:20  When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
Luk 7:21  And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight.

Luk 7:22  Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Luk 7:23  And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.

What’s interesting is the way John was portrayed as having fully recognized Jesus when he baptised him, yet if that was the case why some time after that baptism would John send some of his disciples to inquire if Jesus was the “one” he had been looking for/talking about to coming of?

Then Jesus lays out who John is:

Luk 7:24  And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
Luk 7:25  But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings’ courts.
Luk 7:26  But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

Luk 7:27  This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

(This is where both Isaiah and Malachi referenced as a returned “messenger” to “prepare the way”.)

Luk 7:28  For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

So John was NOT yet a Member of the Kingdom of God – he was still a student messenger whereas Elijah was referenced to a “deity (God) of Jehovah” – someone who was “in the kingdom of God” thus was greater than John.

Further John referred to himself as a messenger only:

John 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Joh 1:19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
Joh 1:20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.

Here John says that he is NOT Elias (presumably Elijah – a Deity of Jehovah):

Joh 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Joh 1:22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?

But then says he is fullfilling the task prophecied as Esaias (Isaiah) which is defined as a “helper of Jehovah” which is a helper of any “existing one”, the name Moses’ Older Member gave:

(Ti and Do often designated certain students as “helpers” yet they had never graduated into the Next Level at least as adults yet.)

Joh 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias ((2268 Hesaias {hay-sah-ee’-as} of Hebrew origin 03470;; n pr m,  AV – Esaias 21; 21= Isaiah = “Jehovah’s help” 1) a famous Hebrew prophet who prophesied in the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah))

And here is the clincher that shows how John the Baptist can be both the one prophesied to “prepare the way” for Jesus (the Lord) AND be the return of Elijah, because HE HAD THE MIND/SPIRIT OF ELIJAH IN HIM:

Luk 1:12  And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
Luk 1:13  But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luk 1:14  And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Luk 1:15  For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.
Luk 1:16  And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

John goes “IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER OF ELIAS (DEITY of Jehovah)”:

Luk 1:17  And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

And as a little icing on this cake of an idea. It was Elisha who was Elijah’s “helper” that insisted on being with Elijah to witness his exit and to have a “double measure of his spirit” upon his exit.

2Ki 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2Ki 2:2 And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Bethel. And Elisha said unto him, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel.
2Ki 2:3 And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.
2Ki 2:4 And Elijah said unto him, Elisha, tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Jericho. And he said, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho.
2Ki 2:5 And the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he answered, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.
2Ki 2:6 And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here; for the LORD hath sent me to Jordan. And he said, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And they two went on.
2Ki 2:7 And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan.
2Ki 2:8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.

Here is where Elisha asks for a “double portion of [Elijah]’s spirit (mind)”:

2Ki 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.

Note how Elijah sets up a condition as his Older Member could then decide whether to give Elisha that dosage and/or whether Elisha had raised his vibrations enough to see his actual departure as the Older Member could regulate how much is visible in accordance with Elisha’s thirst:

2Ki 2:10 And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.

2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

2Ki 2:12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.

Note how this happens at the Jordan river the same river where Jesus was baptized by John:

2Ki 2:13 He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan;
2Ki 2:14 And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over.

2Ki 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.

Thus, it’s altogether possible that the Soul that was incarnate (in the flesh as carne from Latin means flesh) named Elisha was the same Soul who became incarnate as John the Baptist and could have been the same soul that was incarnate as Aaron with Moses. All three had direct relationships with Jehovah and were in an apprentise student relationship to the Older Member according to the tasks at hand. And these could have also been performed by different student Souls as it’s not about the particular Soul, it’s about the task though certain students are given the opportunity to serve when those students have shown their desire and capacity to do so for the sake of the task.

Furthermore, there were 50 students who followed Elijah and then Elisha. There were about 58 of Ti and Do’s students who were as they said, “adopted” into the Next Level family in 1977, who received the “ody” last names though that number was down to 24 when we went public in 1993 again after 17 years in seclusion, though the numbers rose again due to dropout returnees and then in 1994 new students that fluctuated again over the next couple years to end up with 38 + 4 to graduate in 1997. The point to saying that was to show how the numbers were in line all throughout each of the Older Members incarnations. Even 144,000 doesn’t necessarily mean that number as “thousand” was a term for a “family” or a myriad so the number in both the two primary harvests may be more related to 100 and 40 and 4 to graduate in some shape and form with a myriad of Souls and/or Spirits to be saved – also a graduation to their next grade in school.

2Ki 2:16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.
2Ki 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.
2Ki 2:18 And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho,) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?
2Ki 2:19 And the men of the city said unto Elisha, Behold, I pray thee, the situation of this city is pleasant, as my lord seeth: but the water is naught, and the ground barren.
2Ki 2:20 And he said, Bring me a new cruse, and put salt therein. And they brought it to him.
2Ki 2:21 And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there, and said, Thus saith the LORD, I have healed these waters; there shall not be from thence any more death or barren land.
2Ki 2:22 So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake.

And here is a direct reference to Elisha (perhaps to perform the task of John the Baptist, pouring water on Elijah, his Older Member’s hands:

2Ki 3:11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the LORD, that we may enquire of the LORD by him? And one of the king of Israel’s servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah.

So in these ways, John the Baptist was forcast to be the messenger prophecied to come before Jesus and would come “in the spirit/mind of Elijah” but not be the actual same Soul as Elijah. In this same way Jesus came in the Mind of his Older Member whom he referred to as “our Father in heaven”. That’s because when one enters into Next Level service they don’t want to stand apart from their Older Member in any way. They don’t want to be an individual. Like Ti and Do always called themselves “links” and “pipes”. They felt if they let their human mind get in the way of what was coming through them (their being a pipe), they were reducing the purity of the information – the truth which they didn’t want to do. It was automatically reduced in order to provide it to the students in a way they could receive and digest as too much too fast could be like putting too much fertilizer on a healthy plant, one wants to stimulate further faster as Ti and Do always said theirs was an “accellerated” overcoming program.

Mat 3:1  In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Mat 3:2  And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 3:3  For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

I believe we can talk about Moses in the same way Elijah was referenced in the Transfiguration account. Ti and Do felt that the vehicle named Moses that was taken by the same Older Member who later served as Elijah and Jesus and then finally in the name of Do was also “taken”. There is some evidence of this in:

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

I could see the Luciferians wanting the body of Moses but I can also see that the Next Level via Michael who evidences being the name of the same Soul who was incarnate as Jesus, etc. would really have no contest with the devil over the body so I would imagine Michael won and they took the body Moses. Again this can be confusing I know but what sorts it all out is to know that to the Next Level human vehicles are plants they use as instruments – vehicles to perform tasks. When the task is over they don’t necessarily stay in that vehicle even if they are taken into a Next Level dwelling place. Since there is no evidence that the Moses vehicle was transformed as the Jesus vehicle was I think it’s unlikley the One incarnate in that vehicle would have stayed in that vehicle unless there was another task to perform. And their might have been just as Jesus said he had another fold to tend when he left. That fold would have also had stages that I imagine would require a hands on lesson period after the Moses time period.

** Reference: Start of the Transfiguration account **

Luk 9:28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
Luk 9:29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

Mar 9:2  And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3  And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

Luk 9:30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Mar 9:4  And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Luk 9:32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
Luk 9:33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.

Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Mar 9:5  And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Luk 9:34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
Luk 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Mar 9:7  And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Mat 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

Mar 9:6  For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

Mat 17:7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

Mat 17:8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

Mar 9:8  And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

Luk 9:36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.

Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Mar 9:9  And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.

Mar 9:10  And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.

** end of Transfiguration account **

Other related verses:

Mal 3:1  Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:2  But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:

Mal 4:5  Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6  And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

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To Mary Magdalene at the tomb, the first one to see Jesus (though she had alerted Peter and John that his body wasn’t there and they came and saw his clothes there and left, while she stayed:

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

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Jesus allows his disciples to touch him. He says he has “flesh and bones” though he appeared out of nowwhere by then on at least two occasions in which he ate fish and honey:

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

About Elijah:

Luke 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
Luke 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.

Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?