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Creationism verses Evolution – ignorance on both sides of the equasion when the truth is apparant.

June 27, 2015

The following is my first introductory stab at a debate of creationism verses evolution I was requested to engage. I find this to be largely archaic to consider debatable in this day in age but it’s been so masked it’s good to try to lay out some of the key points that cut through that masking IF one wants to cut through it or even thinks there is something to cut through. I wrote this on the fly so like most of my blog posts it’s far from perfect and was geared to someone I knew had a certain amount of history with some of the subject matter while being of an atheistic leaning. I didn’t intend on introducing Ti and Do to him at first but then I thought, what’s the point if I don’t as without Ti and Do in it, it just becomes another opinion amidst many, which of course even with Ti and Do in it, it also is but at least presents the bottom line for this self judgment time.:

The way I see it there is really no difference between what is termed creationism and evolutionism as both acknowledge a “process of development and changeability” and as we know from mounds of experience as humans, no development occurs without developers. No one can give any example of anything of value coming about without developers, at least on little ole planet earth. So sure a big bang could have started it all off for this planet, solar SYSTEM, galaxy of systems within systems within systems…. And why would we not think the earth could have been terraformed by Beings just like humans right now are looking for planets or moons or dwarf planets of whatever label one wants to put on objects in outer space with some idea of doing the same with. That’s just logic 101 to at least consider it. It’s those that reject even considering such a thing that are doing so out of ignorance regardless of how many degrees they have and many of those will privately talk differently than publically for all the obvious reasons.

Now as to the point of view that this planet came about in 7 earth days isn’t actually accurate to the records that came from in Genesis, regardless of whether one believes those writings were “records” or not. They are ancient relative to our tiny history that isn’t disputed by anyone without an axe to grind. The Hebrew used for days there is not talking about earth days as to these Beings that allegedly did the terraforming who don’t live on earth, that time frame is meaningless. They are out of earth time but in those records it was said that to them 1 day is like 1000 years. So lets say the terraforming project happened over 7000 earth years. Is that possible. Well some would say not, yet we are observing how fast certain things can happen with islands growing in the sea as we watch and glaciers melting and knowing what kind of nuke winter can be created from an asteroid or comet strike as is thought probably occurred to vanquish the dinosaurs. And to the archeological evidence of humans going back hundreds of thousands of years I can think of two things to say (at least). In that same record in Genesis 1 BEFORE ADAM is genetically engineered, (as he had no mom or dad as the records say, which of course wasn’t’ even considered before artificial insemination techniques and cloning, etc. except by those who have examined the multi cultured stories of virgin births that today can seem to have possibilities that are extended a long ways by considering that aliens are performing hybridization projects so why couldn’t the terraformers do the same. Maybe aliens are of the same group), there were “male and female’s developed/created/engineered by whatever means right after the mammals were developed which then appears to show the 4 basic evolutionary kingdoms on earth that even scientists called kingdoms at one point because in each there seems to be a hierarchal structure that does show a lot to do with survival of the fittest in who survives, which gene streams and which do not.

So there were humanoids before Adam and Eve and who knows if some of them comingled with Eve or some of their offspring to further develop and/or dilute the adamic gene pool. Why not, unless we have that axe to grind of course. Now how far back were there humans on earth and where did they first come from is anybody’s guess. Certainly recent science has shown very strange skeletons recently discovered and ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics that correlate with humanoids with larger heads than we have now and other glyphs that seem to show helicopters and tanks and stories of technological battles that lend credence to Plato’s Atlantis treatise that has been hotly debated over whether it was genuine history or an attempt at sci-fi.

So then, it comes down to who these Beings are exactly. Humanoids from other planets that got here by wormhole express and/or through a dimensional abrasion which to me can be the same kind of thing and especially when we now know about what’s possible in terms of what can be seen from what is real. Before microscopes and telescopes in space and space alien reports, UFO’s, all this was supernatural and/or superstition but it’s interesting that what was superstitious before the technology is now common place – like the idea of remote viewing, and yet we have spacecraft that remotely view Ceres – no wires in between us makes it remote right. And with that how much of a stretch is it really to think that our physical bodies are also the containers that in building the “mind” that we have gobs of evidence electromagnetically extends beyond the body and can influence others or even do a certain amount of manipulation of matter where matter is as dense or etheric as one is willing to consider. Einstein and Boehm were hot in pursuit of answers to this paradym as shown in the “Holographic Universe” that with their holographic experiments thinking that matter behaved differently when viewed which begins to give credence to our eyes or consciousness being more than just reflectors of light as in that reflection it’s actually transmitting that light, even picking up in the process the content of the mind behind those eyes.  Hence one can become mesmerized by another’s eyes or repelled. The idea of this mind surviving in some fashion after death of the denser physicality becomes yet another logical progression and again it shows roots in the records of most every culture to where some claim to have seen or had interface with these entities. (I am one of those on a number of occasions).

This all becomes the “science of mind” that some phd’s have spoken about rather convincingly like Bruce Lipton in his book “The Biology of Belief” that some scientists I’ve met say is a quack scientist even before reading his book which is again telling of how we can so become our biggest limit setter.  I mean how much of a stretch is it really when we see the same ideas manifest in the computer hardware – software/firmware realities. I spent 20+ years programming and it dawned on me one day that nothing was happening in software unless I made it happen or opened up the possibility. I already had that sense but it just hit home in a more obvious way. And of course look at genetic code, the unseen software/circuitry in every cell with it’s histones that look and act like little cpu’s and/or watch batteries and those banks of hair like molecules like antenna we see all over the body in various forms and the many organs involved. How a scientist can look at that intricate network of very complex interrelationships and think that all stumbled into existence by random mutations simply because of happenstance environmental changes looks to me like ignorance though I couldn’t begin to talk about all they otherwise know. It’s like they can’t see the forest because they are so into the trees. It would be like an ant thinking there are no beings besides the other bugs and that it’s “nature” that destroys their mound when the human gardener wants to get rid of them yet among other ants they may have huge praise steeped upon them. (I actually think a better example is found with dogs and other domesticated animals or one’s in the wild). But the point is that we now know that it’s not “what you see is what you get” the computer acronym WYSIWYG. In fact we now know that most of reality is hidden from our eyes and brains, so why not consider that there is much more and that the ancients weren’t actually ignorant of this even without the kind of science we have now.

Finally, if that is possible, which actually I think it is not as there is always plenty more to become aware of – if we can conceive of Beings (thought forms, physical body (hardware) offloads (mind aka spirits, discarnates) for some it also goes hand in hand with the entire idea of extraterrestrial biological entities or EBE’s. And we see new religions cropping up since the 1950’s around contactees and some of them claim directly or indirectly to be the creators of Jesus or from the spiritual hierarchy as in the ascended masters, etc. or have led the humans they have contacted or abducted to think they are the return of Jesus, etc. (Alex Collier, David Icke, Rael, etc.). It’s always interesting that these three and many others talk like that but like the Pope don’t talk Jesus’ actual mind/spirit.

Jesus was telling his students they had to forsake their human families to graft to his Family. He taught that the physical body wasn’t what we really were and that there was another physical component given to some humans that they were developing by joining his program to outgrow human behaviors and ways. He described this “container” as a new wineskin needed for new wine (mind=spirit) that survives the death of the human vehicle that was actually used as a stepping stone (footstool) into membership in this “kingdom” that is above (superior to) human (mammalian). He taught that a student would have to grow to “give their all” to his allegiance to include the life of their physical human body IN SERVICE to him and his “Father”, the individual who parented him into that same kingdom that is among the stars (the literal heavens). He’s not talking human yet all the religions (and this can extend to Buddhist and Hindu and Judaism and Islam, etc.) only embrace the human aspects of his teachings at best and then even pick and choose of those so what does that tell us? Well can you imagine explaining to a dog what they can look forward to if they live by all the rules the master gives? Example is the best teacher so Jesus demonstrated what each of his students would also have to be willing to endure to meet the qualifications of what was really like an Astronaut Training program for the beings that design planetary bodies as their hothouses to grow souls upon that grow from physical containers. Again this isn’t what the religious teach except in esoteric mystical ways rather than part of a practical and scientific reality. In this way one could see the reality Jesus was saying he was from as an Evolutionary Step Above Human not far different than the kingdom levels below human; animal, plant, mineral.

So then where did this idea of Jesus come from that we see talked about by Christians and other religionists and new age spiritualists, etc. Well if one goes to the records that by in large were not included in the compilation called the Bible except in small smatterings, the book of Enoch, 7th from Adam, that Jesus seems to have spoken about but we have little record of, except circumstantially, we see lots of details that describe these beings that had certain responsibilities working for these “Above Human Beings” as “watchers” which was an “observer” task. When I went to catholic school they tried to brainwash me into thinking “God is everywhere. God sees all things”. If I didn’t say those things I was punished or reprimanded as rebellious. I dropped out of that kind of schooling early on as they were clearly not teachers of truth and reality as I saw it so that began my exploration into what the truth was though I always thought there was something extra special about this guy called Jesus. I would be at parties with my Navy high school buddies in my early 20’s drinking up a storm and I’d be sitting there reading what Jesus was quoted to have said and no one put me up to it and I knew I wasn’t making sense of it.

Anyway putting my history aside, today’s popular Jesus is as that alleged “yellow book”, Bob Lazar got a hold of said is the creation of the space aliens who are the descendants of those “fallen watchers” but who when they died their “software package” (soul container) went into the so called unseen by human eyes world where they could influence the ones they spawned with their hybridization programs to influence humans to go against the Above Human Beings they used to work for. It would be no different from employees deciding to start their own company that would then compete with their former employer that included trying to steal the former employers potential new employees which takes the shape of a religion that acts as if they believe in the founder but doesn’t adhere to much of what they teach unless it’s easy as pie to embrace so everyone can be tricked into serving them instead.

So these Above Human Beings decided to take advantage of what these renegades wanted to do and let them remain on Earth where they became restricted by the lack of technology and energy supplies as they retreated underground to hide from previous periods of geographic upheaval which is like the spading of their garden for the Above Human Beings. Instead of eradicating their influence they decided to permit it while sending some of their equivalent level of employees to earth to be subject to their influence thinking that with Their help if they could survive the onslaught of dis-mis-information (overcome, the meaning of a true Israeli – an overcomer of the human evolutionary kingdom) they would become stable employees and would be rewarded with exclusive never ended membership in their Above Human Evolutionary Level of both physical and mental life. They don’t reproduce like mammals as their bodies don’t die unless they have reason for them to die or they accidentally die (which is highly unlikely but possible). They get new members which they don’t need thus don’t need to lie to obtain from those that go through their program on the human level and conquer any desire to remain human. Those to be in this program came by sacrificing their existing physical bodies because upon completion they would be awarded a new physical body that is grown for them. They were among the so called victims of the UFO crashes that occurred in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s though some were fabrications. Once outside their physical containers (vehicles) they located human vehicles they could use as their footstool and these would be vehicles that were prepared to receive them from birth. Simultaneously Two Older Members from this Next Evolutionary Level came in the same way as their students and took human vehicles to use to gather the human vehicles these new upcoming students were taking to begin the final lesson step in detaching from the human kingdom. These two were called Bo and Peep and in the press “The UFO Two” in 1975 and later took new names as Ti and Do who were those behind the Heavens Gate “cult” that National Geographic’s channel suggested could have been the “Second Coming of Jesus” to the dismay of millions of Christians and new agers and I suppose atheists. They have and continue to fulfill all the prophecies as they gave those forecasts because they were going to see to it that they came true as a help for remaining humans to have one last ditch chance to see through the lies and deceit of the renegade, termed Luciferians who are not beings with pointy chins and red coats and pitchforks and goatees.  They are more highly evolved beings than human because they WERE in the Next Level program they dropped out of that are in competition with the Next Level Above Human Older Members who administered that program.

There is a great deal to all this and it’s all hard to really digest without lots of breaks in between and a desire to understand it. It’s fearful to see the truth. I’ve had 40+ years of prep time. If there is a base on Ceres I know it’s not space aliens but the governments don’t differentiate space aliens from Members of the Next Level Above Human who some in the know about all the space alien reality believe to be the enemy the primary reason Reagan tried to build the star wars program to counter as he express in part on the floor of the United Nations in 1987.

I suspect that the shooting of the comet Temple1 by the Deep Impact spacecraft was a test to see if they could affect it’s course or blow it apart as they are very concerned that the space aliens can direct objects to earth that they want to be able to shoot down or throw off course. Some are under the impression that these are the “bad aliens” that are threatening life on earth as they know it. In the sense of being the “weeds” in the garden the gardeners are the enemy but they are not reptilian. The Luciferians are the reptilians among other species of mammalian human equivalents. I  could go on about this in many ways shapes and forms but if you want to debate anything I’ve said, of course feel free and I’ll try to address your points. I don’t expect anyone to think the way I do about this and don’t really care if they do or not though will help anyone that asks for more info on any aspect and am always open to seeing where I have certain things wrong or need of adjustment of thinking.

One more point regarding whether life forms can mutate and develop and adapt to the degree of new species, I guess anything is possible if it’s put in the code as possible just like in software. Ti and Do said that the Next Level removed certain stages in that step wise evolutionary development so it would be a puzzle while saying there is truth to an evolution from “a spec of dirt” into what we see now as an abundance of life forms. However they said, it wasn’t exactly a “spec of dirt” though. These two were clearly not from this world but it would take a desire to see that to know that. They were the same souls who performed the tasks of Elohim with Adam and later with Enoch, Jehovah and Moses, Jehovah and Elijah, Father and Jesus. And believe it or not they will respond to those that ask for the truth to help us see the truth of it all by asking for their specific help using the names they last used of Ti and Do. They have the technology to know when we think about them. A little more about them;  Ti took a female vehicle to help get Do (her son) started. They were the fulfillment of the records called the Book of Revelations throughout but detailed in most every chapter but with a focus on chapters 6, 11 and 12. I knew them personally as their student for 19 years of my life but I dropped out in 1994 and through a series of dreams and premonitions, sightings of ufo’s and spirits and many other kinds of proves re-engaged my desire to serve them by telling of my experiences with them and how it all relates to the records about their past activity on earth as the garden is being brought to a close and thus is a time for each of us to decide to whom to show our allegiance between them and humanism. That’s a personal decision that’s ongoing. It’s not for me to know about unless someone wants to express it to me. I don’t get anything from seeing new believers in them (though it feels good). It’s simply part of my training program to tell the truth as I see it and accept the mostly negative consequences to my remaining humanness.

Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate Hale Bopp Comet Anniversity in progress with A new highly unsual UFO Comet

February 22, 2015

As predicted and even like clockwork here is another Comet that has the folks at NASA and JPL and ESA and everywhere else as they say “Puzzling” and “scratching their heads”. And in this blub they are still calling it an “icy visitor” yet not much bigger than a “comet-boulder” another new term, so how does a ball of ice and rock survive Sun temperatures. They can’t claim it didn’t survive the sun as they did with the 2013 September comet ISON. (It did survive the sun though the media didn’t cover it as that’s not really supposed to happen to an icy rock).

First I will post what Spaceweather.com posted and then what I found on youtube that is much more revealing what even looks like a “flying saucer” shaped “comet”, but don’t take my word for it, look at the video and watch all the progress and reality deniers squirm to come up with explanations and debunking for fear of the truth. If it’s not a comet after all, then the FACT that it’s much smaller and doesn’t act like comets begins to make more sense.

And of course look when it’s happening. February 19, 2015 just as we saw quite surprising events in Feb-Mar of 2013 – meteor hit in Russia, the near miss asteroid and comet Pan Starrs with the OBJECT photographed flying AHEAD of it’s coma and then fireballs all over the world with most in the US and across the eastern seaboard and then Feb-Mar of 2014 also included a near miss asteroid, fireball and a very bright unexpected comet. That was followed by the of very unusual September-October comet ISON that when studied with software to uncloak satellite telescope images NASA disguised with software looked like a flying WING that came out of the other side of the sun and was no longer followed by the media but looked like 7 objects in a V formation. Then just last October with comet Siding Spring caused a huge visible explosion on Mars when it passed very close by to be seen at:

So here is what Spaceweather.com is saying about this new surviving sungrazer that came out of nowhere they have EVER seen before, they say:

*** spaceweather.com post: ***

UNUSUAL COMET DIVE-BOMBS THE SUN: Astronomers are puzzling over a comet that passed “insanely close” to the sun on Feb. 19th. At first glance it appeared to be a small object, not much bigger than a comet-boulder, doomed to disintegrate in the fierce heat. Instead, it has emerged apparently intact and is actually brightening as it recedes from the sun. Click to view a post-flyby movie recorded on Feb. 20th by the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO):

Unofficially, the icy visitor is being called “SOHO-2875,” because it is SOHO’s 2,875th comet discovery.

Karl Battams of the Naval Research Lab explains what’s odd about SOHO-2875: “It’s a ‘non-group comet,’ meaning that it does not appear to be related to any other comet or comet family that we have on record.”

Most comets that SOHO sees belong to the Kreutz family. Kreutz sungrazers are fragments from the breakup of a single giant comet many centuries ago. They get their name from 19th century German astronomer Heinrich Kreutz, who studied them in detail. SOHO-2875, however, is not one of those fragments.

“Non-group comets like this appear a few times a year, so in that sense it’s not toounusual,” continues Battams. “But this one is relatively bright. The big question most people will have now is, Can I see it, or will I be able to see it, from Earth? At first I thought the answer was no. But I am very pleasantly surprised–shocked in fact! The comet has brightened dramatically and now is sporting an increasingly impressive tail. Visibility from Earth in a few weeks is no longer out of the question, although I still wouldn’t put money on it.”

“I’ll continue to tweet updates on my twitter.com/SungrazerComets feed, so folks can follow along there too.”

***end of spaceweather post***

Here is the youtube post that shows the comet surviving the sun encounter:

Humans are being dummed down. Many are incapable of critical thinking though they will quote the academics past and are satisfied with illogical answers to the many observations that can not be denied by someone with any intelligence.

Open minded? How open are you really? The winner gets a free Luna-tic-on the Moon award!

October 23, 2014

A regular critic of most all I say and believe and consider said they were anything but ridged when it comes to the examination of new information which peaked my interest in exactly what this person did believe about certain topics. Here are the topics I’d like to get his but anyone’s input on. Some are very general but we can add our favorite examples pro or con to the criteria of believable or not. And if I haven’t covered some you’d like on the list add it as a comment and I’ll update the list and include a post of your comments as well if they are serious:

1) Spirits – Is the idea of a software like structure emanated from mammals possible

2) UFO’s – are they all swamp gas and/or drones or weather balloons or ball lightning or secret government programs or from vivid imaginations or is it possible some could be extraterrestrial

3) Space aliens – do they exist and if so how could they get here and if so why would they be here and what is the abuction phenomena all about and why do some of the autopsy’s reported/leaked show no organ systems or atrophied reproductive organ systems.

4) Government coverups, “wag the dog”  or conspiracies. (e.g.the reasons for the war in iraq, the billions missing from the pentagon budget right before the financial meltdown, building 7’s collapse, the curving bullet, osama bin laden’s quick burial at sea to support his islamic beliefs of a quick burial, the entire wtc attack scenerios, what is behind the global financial meltdown, etc.

5) the now dozens of un-explainable observations in space that are all assigned “camera glitch” or stock pseudo explanations of. (e.g. comet ison did survive it’s sundive, the object photographed by Japanese Space Observatory with Hale Bopp Comet, the object photographed with “pan starrs comet”, the mercury sunflare uncloaking of some type of man made looking object, the tiny planet with larger objects in orbit of the tiny one, the comet that lost it’s tail, the comet with no coma, hale bopp with three tails and a double nucleus scientists still regularly meet about to find answers as the nucleus objects are in orbit around one another.

6) Comet Siding Spring’s alleged dive into Mars and that large object below it that showed a reflexion of light off it in the direction of mars.

7) Are there space satelittes with all these cameras and if so why let the public see them.

8) underground base building for the elite to have a place to run and hide – is it happening or not?

9) Human or equivalent beings elsewhere in the universe?

10) What is a comet? For over 100 years they were described as “dirty snowballs”. Can we believe the pictures taken from Deep Space probes that show them to look like powered machines with a rocky casing.

update add on: One open minded claiment said they were dirty snowballs so he loses the luna tic on the moon award. Here is the pic of comet hartley that if you investigate you will see SCIENTISTS SAY THERE IS NO ICE ON: Cometa-Hartley2

11) Is there a legitimate science called metaphysics that has to do with organized electromagnetic properties operating against various biological frameworks?

12) Whose side do you take between Einstein and Boehm on whether the eye is not only a receiver but a transmitter? Substantiate your answer with some evidence logical or otherwise.

13) Do thoughts exist in a measurable waveform? Is it possible that humans can pick up other’s thoughts?

14) Are the organs of a body and the organs of the gnome inside each cell evidence of intelligent design of biological organisms.

15) Are computers evidence of intelligent design?

16) Are descriptions in the Bible records and other records of “cloud of light”, “whirlwind of fire”, “chariots of fire”, flying humanoids as in the case with Jesus’ levitation above the sea and into the clouds both after his exit of the tomb, evidence of high technological transportation systems or just figments one’s imagination.

Why the Buddha said to someone there is no God while to another that there was a God

September 16, 2014

Below is a link I found interesting which was part of my study of what Gautama Buddha taught. Do had said he suspected the teachings of the Buddha in regards to renunciation of the world and overcoming of human sensual desires came from the Next Level. I don’t recall him elaborating more than that but Jesus spoke about having “another fold” he was going to tend to after he left and that the two folds would be joined upon his return in the new age. Ti before she awakened completely to her task as Ti, studied Vedic scriptures through the books by Madam Blavatsky the primary founder of the Theosophical Society in NYC. There are many strong consistencies between early Hindu and early Buddhist teachings and there are many students of Buddhism who may appreciate the opportunity to further see those consistencies with Ti and Do’s teachings, behaviors and ways, thus my comment following the link:

http://www.dhavaria.com/2011/04/28/gautam-buddha

What I see many do, is try to apply what was taught thousands of years ago to now WITHOUT including what was taught in between. I believe that the Soul who was incarnate as Krishna was also incarnate as Moses and then incarnate as Gautam Buddha who then was incarnate as Jesus and then showed up, because he didn’t die but took his body with him, in Kashmir or thereabouts because Jesus said he had “another fold” to tend to who would be brought together with him upon his return, which I believe already took place in the names of Ti and Do where Do was that same Soul on the final incarnation for their “garden” project. Thus for the culture of India They, these Living Beings who are Above Human during that time in India when the Buddha awakened to his task of bringing the humans there up a notch in their possible progression towards “graduation” (as the garden is also a school), talking about whether there was a “supreme being” (God) brought a relative answer from the Buddha based on what he felt would help that potential student move to their next grade in school. As the stories go, which are not included in this little article, when an atheist asked the Buddha if there was a God, the Buddha said, “yes”. In the case when a Rama devotee who believed there was a God, asked him if there was a God, he said, “No”. Both answers challenge the student to open their minds to what they don’t know and both responses were honest from the Buddha because of how little ability there was to accurately define what was meant by “god” anyway.

Now the author of this piece used a comparison between what Krishna and Buddha said. It went like this: Krishna says to Arjuna, “Surrender to me, then you will be convinced.” But Buddha says, “Be convinced first, then surrender comes like a shadow. You need not worry about it.”

I believe these are both saying the same thing as “to surrender means you are already convinced” but it’s in degrees of course. One is convinced enough to surrender. It doesn’t mean one doesn’t have questions and doubts about the other. It simply means one is willing to put aside their doubts enough to see if they can be resolved. They are willing to “change their mind” from what they previously thought, which is the definition of “repentance”. No growth of a Mind can occur if something doesn’t change and that change doesn’t have to reverse a previous understanding, it can simply add to that previous understanding, broadening it. So yes, one must be convinced enough first which is the same thing that Jesus was teaching when saying, one needs to believe in me, which by belief he was saying meant “abide in his teachings”. In other words, live his behavior and ways. Do the work. This has become so twisted nowadays, if I say that to many Christians they it’s saying you have to earn your way to belief/studentship to the one who was incarnate as Jesus and they often think that’s like saying you can get to heaven on your own steam, a total misunderstanding of what Jesus was saying by “surrendering to him” as Jesus like the Buddha and like Krishna were teachers to “show humans the way, the path” and they did that by being an example by doing the path themselves. Many don’t want to hear this. They think he did it for us, that is “overcame the world” so we don’t have to, as if we are so great that we get a free ride just because we say the magic words of I believe. And yet, belief in a current representative from the Level Above Human as I say Ti and Do were both, where the Woman, Ti was the same soul who was the Father and Jehovah and probably Vishnu and Do was her “son” may save one’s soul body after they die if they believed they were who they said they were while they were incarnate. And then that saved soul body would be brought back for a new opportunity to further overcome their humanness. But belief includes more than lip service, as Jesus also said but I’ve already overflowed this text box.

Ingredients of a Deposit-Becoming a New Creature By Lvvody w/Sawyer intro

December 20, 2013

Before Lvvody’s paper, I, sawyer just wanted to explain that this Next Level graduate who incarnated into a female human vehicle, was on one of the “exit video’s” and was mostly in tears. Some thought her tears were suspect of her not being fully in favor of what they were about to do in laying down those physical human containers they had incarnated into and overcome the human ways of. I knew otherwise having known her from the same meeting I attended and have a similar story to tell as do most all of those who joined with Ti and Do then and in 1994. None of these were naïve individuals or easily led or looking for a ride on a UFO or even on a religio-spiritual self elevating martyrdom trip, though I have to admit my vehicle did have that weakness of wanting to be special in that way – the hero on the cross, so to speak as I gathered from being brought up by those Catholic ideas and Jesus movies in the 1950’s – 1960’s I saw over and over again.

I too wanted to be a priest when 13 but couldn’t imagine why and knew early on that was not any direction I wanted anything to do with. I too felt pulled to Oregon after being deported from British Columbia where my girlfriend and I tried to build a homestead that previous winter having while still on Long Island studying British Columbia for a land purchase and studying log cabin building and hunting for food the year before to the dismay of our Catholic and Jewish parents.

At 19 years old, having been drawn to Canada, where I used to hitchhike to from NYC I became attracted to Vancouver so when I hooked up with my first serious girlfriend, lacking money for a motorcycle decided to hitchhike to Canada then to Vancouver then to Mexico and back the same way over a summer, that in so doing convinced us to try to move to British Columbia after getting jobs and an apartment and saving money over the next 9 months.

I was born in NYC and raised on Long Island and was driven to leave after I flunked out of my first year in college in Beckley, West Virginia, amid hating the Vietnam war knowing that I would go to Canada before being drafted. During that college year as out of my parents control I grew my hair and beard and because of was often threatened by southern red necks, while drugging as much as possible (but felt to stay clear of heroin and downers and speed, but used acid and mescaline, pot and hashish galore) and putting nude women pictures all over my walls around my bunk while having zero interest in studying anything. Yet years later when I used to hitchhike through very dangerous areas of Connecticut to go to Rhode Island to party with my high school buddies at their apartment where they lived when they weren’t on their Navy station on the U.S. Nimitz docked at Newport, RI, they’d all be drinking and drugging while for bizarre reasons related to some paranormal experiences with my psychic girlfriend I had quit by then, I’d be studying what Jesus said but never could figure out what he was talking about. I never sought to find out what he was talking about until after I met up with Ti and Do and after the meeting told all my friends throughout Newport, Oregon, the hippies I’d circulated with and my musical band mates that “I felt like I sat in front of the equivalent of Jesus”. Years before meeting with Ti and Do I’d hung out and by chance, not desire, lived with Jesus freaks in Washington state. I had been arrested in Canada, probably turned in as it was clear I was a New Yorker living there illegally and working as much as I could find, probably thought to be a draft dodger as were a number of my friends there. So my girlfriend was allowed to gather our belongings from our very remote no facility mountain cabin where we had lived for the very harsh winter and she met me at the U.S. border. The old 1949 GMC pickup we bought in Canada for $350.00 broke down in Yakima, WA and a Jesus freak in town offered us a place to stay and while there with his family and friends I’d debate with Christians what I saw as major flaws in the gospel ideas that seemed hypocritical. They still liked us and we them as we’d attend all their regular services where I mostly played drums and harmonica. Over two weeks time they fixed my truck without charge and we had $50, just enough to get to the Oregon coast where I thought I could get some fishing work, having come from a family of commercial fishers on Long Island so I imagined I could do that having no formal education or skillset. (Before that I worked as a handyman, a warehouse worker, in factories, sold pot, as a hospital janitor, short order cook, pharmacy delivery driver, newspaper sorter, etc.).

So that’s a little snapshot of my life from high school to when I lived on the Oregon Coast dancing with the Sufi’s, attending meditations, meditating on Sri Chin Moy pictures, transcendental meditation examination, study of yogananda the bhagvad gita all of which and more didn’t appeal to me while most of my friends were diving in. My girlfriend was always reporting seeing crazy stuff – spirits and balls of light in the meditations that I stopped attending as I was bored and would only fall asleep anyway so I’d hang out with folk outside. I remember thinking I wanted to become “enlightened” like Yogananda but I guess I didn’t know how to meditate right as I could never meditate on a guru’s picture or blank my mind.

(However with the few meditations Ti and Do taught, some 10 years into being in the group I did learn to not fall asleep and to blank my mind which was a technique that comes from practice of putting up a blank card against any thoughts we don’t want to have in our heads and also from learning how to listen without having any other conversations in our heads, something that Ti and Do taught us to do as well. But with Ti and Do we never meditated on them or pictures of them or anyone else. And the meditations were given and for a short time, maybe three months it was part of the program but then became optional. Curiously one who listens to Ti and Do’s audio meeting tapes can easily be bored by their often mundane content, yet each meeting was an exercise in controlling our own minds to which their was never any test of, but because of how much someone strengthened their ability to focus and on what to focus some were right with the Ti and Do lesson steps while others fell behind and eventually left and didn’t have the same understanding of things Ti and Do spoke about because they hadn’t learned to or wanted to learn to listen well enough. I saw examples of this with x-members I visited with after I left who had a completely different understanding of the ramifications to our air and then water fast in the near Phoenix desert in around 1992 that Do ended after two weeks. I had thought we were mentally willing to exit our physical bodies then but this x-classmate didn’t think that at all. As it turned out, what I had understood was how Do was prepared to think. He felt instructions to let Ti know we were willing to do whatever it took to be ready for exit which would include picking us up or leaving our bodies as a result of the fast).

Back to my little story:

We were not happy wherever we were. We’d constantly drive or hitchhike down to California looking for a new place to live and we’d visit with friends in Berkley and San Diego. One friend was a lawyer living in Berkley heights who had a bustling drug business, but I was still very straight then so it didn’t attract me. We’d drop in on the Fillmore West as we were dead heads before they were called dead heads, so we ended up sleeping in the Ken Kesey warehouse and on the roof of the free clinic in Bezerkly. Finally in 1974 after my girlfriend had a brief affair that devastated me and I recovered and then he dumped her and I took her back, we decided to settle down and were part of a startup little commune with two other couples on a couple acres of land in Waldport, OR. I began to build a house – a teepee shape of my own haphazard design. I fell the trees that were pole size, stripped the bark and treated with creosote then gathered building materials mostly from donations and got about half way with it, while also having a nice big garden and I decided I wanted to go back to NY to visit having been gone for 5 years by then. So we hitchhiked there and a relative bought us bus tickets for the return and I visited with both our families. A month later I came out of an all nighter type of band practice party at the guitarist’s ocean view apartment and saw the same poster, Lvvody speaks about and knew I had to attend that meeting and it had nothing to do with seeing the UFO on the poster. I remember saying to my girlfriend, I want to see what these two people who claim to be from outer space will look like. I didn’t believe it was possible or impossible. And I was intrigued that the poster said that some were “giving their all to this endeavor” having to do with going to this evolutionary level above human.

At the meeting by the time Do stopped talking, that was perhaps 30 minutes, and the room had seemed to fill up with a haze that seemed to be prevalent around the stage and these Two, that I only later thought about and wondered about when I saw it again at the next meeting I attended where they spoke in Colorado maybe a month later, I knew I wanted to join and so did my girlfriend and we knew it meant our break up, but perhaps because of her affair, though I had attached to her as much as anyone one could, though not officially married I didn’t have a second thought and it had nothing to do with what she wanted to do.

And so we let our desires be known to some who were followers from the meetings they had given in Los Angeles and San Francisco months before and they gave us a phone number to call and said to put our lives in order knowing that we needed to more or less leave all behind but to keep camping equipment as they lived on the road and once again we had $50.00 to our name even after selling my drums and stuff and giving away the then broken down truck.

But before we left town, my girl fiends sister had become very upset at what her sister said we were going to do and called her dad in NY and he and her uncle and grandmother flew out the next day and met with us and tried to talk us out of it but our minds were made up. I’m sorry to say, we probably didn’t handle that well with the younger sister who had come out to Oregon to be with us having just turned 18 and she for the last year was living with a guy at a different location from us so seemed somewhat independent of us. Yet of course she wasn’t and so not able to dissuade her sister went to the police to report that our two best friends who also were going to join were “abandoning their two children”. Actually they were not the guy’s children and they were very young, I think like a 1-2 yr old boy and a 5 yr old girl. The mother who was probably in her early 20’s had contacted their real dad who lived near Portland, so about a hour away from Newport and he was going to take the kids so it wasn’t an illegal abandonment (and as it turned out she, the mother only stayed in the group for maybe 6 months). But the police showed up at this couples apartment while me and my girlfriend were leaving and I was asked by the police about the report of abandoning of children to which I denied there was any such thing happening and they seemed satisfied with that which infuriated my girlfriends sister and she threatened to kill herself.

At that point we knew we needed to get out of town fast so we called the number and were told to meet at a park in Eugene, OR a hour away and like Lvvody reports it was a confusing scene with people milling all around and then there was a table with two people sitting at it in the middle of an open area so we approached and two followers greeted us and after a few questions told us to meet them ASAP in the Colorado National Monument near Fruita, CO., which we with 4 of our friends drove to and met up with Bo and Peep to begin what for me would be 19 years a dedicated student and my girlfriend 12 years before she left in 1987, a year after she and I were sent by Ti and Do together to visit both our families, over a weekend having only written once when we left as was recommended, though we also were sent for a visit in 1985 before Ti left her vehicle. My girlfriends sister didn’t try to kill herself and I apologized to her after I left the group and got in touch with her. I didn’t apologize for joining. What I was sorry about was that she suffered because of our choices. She and her sister as of a few years ago weren’t really on talking terms and she has had no interest in talking with me further.

Anyway, I don’t know what Lvvody was exactly feeling while being recorded but one might notice that Do didn’t try to hide that and I’m sure it crossed his mind that some would see that and come up with their own conclusions and would be wrong but he felt like it still needed to be included as one of the “exit videos” so those seeing it could believe what they wanted to believe, the same reason they allow the Luciferian space aliens to keep on presenting their ideas and agenda’s to humans, which is where this entire environmental push to “save the planet and mankind” is coming from, along with the space race and the nuke energy push for weapons and power supplies.

But if I were to guess at what Lvvody might have been feeling it would be “love” and a hope that some watching what they were about to do, could recognize what she knew was and is the “greatest story ever told”, in the arrival of the Two Older Members, the Older One having given the name Jehovah (I Am or Existing One), then Father from/in the literal Heavens/sky/outer space, then Ti with the One who was Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah, Jesus and then Do as The Representatives from the Kingdom of physical Evolutionarly Above Human Beings who literally were part of the detailed design and development team of the Earth and the entire Universe, with their student litter, the true Saints being “born of spirit/soul” before our eyes.

So take a look at what she wrote and judge for yourself but I caution you against hasty decisions as we are all held accountable to the Kingdom of God/Heaven according to what we are provided and what we do with what we are provided. She wrote:

Ingredients of a Deposit — Becoming a New Creature By Lvvody

As the world becomes more aware of our presence and the information we are leaving behind, we know we have to anticipate being confronted with the typical “anti-cult” accusations and condemnations that will be made about us – particularly those aimed at our Teachers, Ti and Do.  The majority of the media (whose degree of commentary and biased judgment has gotten completely corrupted and out of control), plus the righteous religious, the government/law-enforcement agencies, and cult-awareness groups, will most likely quickly jump to defend the “accepted (Luciferian) norm” by trying to convince the masses to believe that the students of Ti and Do must be “weak-minded” individuals who had nothing going for them in this world, or that they were duped or brainwashed by two mesmerizing, charismatic cult leaders.  For, surely, no one in their right mind would willingly join a “cult” in the first place, let alone stay in one for over twenty years – throwing away the precious opportunity for participating in family, career, and all the other “normal” pursuits in the human kingdom.

     Nothing could be further from the truth.  I know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that Ti and Do are two Older Members, two Representatives from the Next Level – the Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human, the Kingdom of God.  I know that all the ways and behavior, all the procedures and instructions, and all the knowledge and wisdom taught to us by Ti and Do are not available or taught anywhere else on the planet.  It is clearly beyond human.  I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have had a previous relationship with them before – that I (the soul that has taken over and now occupies this human body I am wearing) have had previous nurturing by Ti and Do during prior visitations to this “garden,” including the Next Level’s presence in this civilization approximately 2000 years ago (just two days ago Next Level time).

     How do I know this?  It’s not only because Ti and Do have told me so.  It’s also because of proof from personal experience.  I recognize this information.  It’s as though I was already familiar with it.  For example, part of Ti and Do’s task during this mission was to restore the truth of how a soul may literally make the transition from the human kingdom into the true Heavenly Kingdom, after having overcome humanness – and how this metamorphic process can only be done under the direct supervision of Representatives of the Kingdom of Heaven and only while these Reps or Teachers are incarnate in a human “vehicle” or body.  They alone possess the hidden knowledge of “how Members of the Next Level are born,” and that it requires breaking all ties with the human kingdom, and shedding all human-mammalian behavior and thinking.

     This is the same formula taught by the Representative who was here approximately 2000 years ago, the one religions refer to as Jesus.  He told His disciples to go and preach, saying, “The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.”  “I am the way and the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except by me.”  What this meant was, “I’m here.  I am the one who was sent by my Father to offer you the way out of the human kingdom.  Only I have the formula of how to get to heaven – how you have to leave everything behind, including your own life in this world, and come and follow me and be my disciple.”  He made it very clear that separating from the world and having a “personal relationship” with Him, while He was incarnate in a human body, was a requirement and the only way to prepare for entering the next Kingdom. “My sheep know my voice and they follow me.”

     Before His departure, He knew that His disciples hadn’t overcome the world sufficiently to go with Him, so He told them that He would come back for them again at the end of the Age.  That time is now.  It is the end of the Age.  The same mind, the same knowledge of the Next Level that was present 2000 years ago is here again, as was promised – in the Two Older Members of the Next Level who were sent – Ti and Do. And many of those students/disciples who were present with the Representative 2000 years ago are back now, with Ti and Do, to pick up where they left off during their last mission to this civilization.           How does this Recognition work?  Where does it come from?  In Do’s most recent written statements, Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure and ’95 Statement by an ET Presently Incarnate, he goes into a lot of detail describing deposits.  What is a deposit?  It is potentially the “gift” of life into the real physical Evolutionary Level Above Human.  A deposit can be described as an “implant,” or a “chip,” or a tiny fragment or “seed” of Next Level mind that is deposited into a human plant by members of the Next Level.  The nature of any deposit – the “program” it contains – will vary depending on who the recipient is.

     A first-time deposit contains the beginning of a “soul” – which is the new “container” or receptacle for Next Level mind, and is the beginning of a new creature.   In other words, if the Next Level determines that an individual has a potential for goodness and deserves the opportunity to be given a chance to be nourished by them, and if they choose to offer it the choice to become a future member of the Next Evolutionary Level, they make a “deposit” that contains a soul with a very small amount of Next Level information – it’s like a tiny Next Level fetus.  The program in that deposit contains a “chip” of recognition of a Rep who is presently incarnate, and the capacity to believe that what that Rep or Teacher says is true.  If that new soul chooses to believe that Rep and to bond to him, is thirsty, and exerts all his effort to take in the mind that is being offered to him, then at the end of that visitation, that soul will be “saved” or “put on ice” for a future time, when it can be brought back into a garden such as Earth when a Rep will be incarnate again, and continue where it left off in its previous time of growth or nourishment until it is sufficiently weaned or separated from the human kingdom.

     When a soul is a “returnee,” that is, it is brought back (to continue in its overcoming and nurturing that it had begun previously) at a time when Reps will be present again, the program in the deposit it receives will be more advanced.  The deposit will be a match for the degree of advancement of that soul as well as a match for the handicaps of the particular human vehicle (body) it will be occupying – for these handicaps offer it the opportunity for the additional lessons it needs.  This deposit would most likely contain: *    a “chip” of recognition of the Reps of the Level Above Human that      would be sent, *    the capability to recognize the information regarding the      existence of the true Kingdom of God, *    a fragment of Next Level mind that finds its recipient wanting to      break ties with the world and seek out the Teachers or Representatives      that are presently incarnate, *    the wisdom to discern what isn’t true as the recipient is lead      through experiences prior to connecting with the Rep, *    the early stages of loss of respect for the world and its systems      – family, government, religion, money, etc., *    a feeling like, “I don’t fit here,” “I hate this corrupt world,”      or “I just want to go home to God.”

[Jesus was referring to the deposit when He said,  “No one comes to Me unless the Father Who sent Me attracts and draws him and gives him the desire to come to Me, and I will raise him up at the last day.”  John 6:44.]

     If  “I” – the identity – am the soul – containing Next Level mind, then this borrowed human body I am wearing is not me.  It was “tagged” with a deposit by Members of the Next Level and set aside for my use for this task, and “I” probably had a very off-and-on relationship with the body, according to the instructions given to me and my invisible Next Level helpers – at a briefing aboard a spacecraft prior to coming into this atmosphere.  Most of the soul (containing Next Level mind), was outside the vehicle, and the deposit wasn’t really activated until the time-capsule program was set in motion – to make contact with the two incarnate Representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven, Ti and Do.

     Humans, for the most part, identify as being the body they are wearing.  Most of their entire life is preoccupied with the physical body – because they assume that is who they are (out of ignorance – due to the distorted truths and misinformation imposed on them by society – unknowingly under the guidance of the “Luciferian” space aliens).  They dwell on the appearance of the body, its physical condition, its consuming, its relationships, its ties and responsibilities to others, and many get their greatest satisfaction from the end results of reproduction.  But we are not the body we are wearing.  It is simply a plant, a “container” for our spirit (or mind).  If you think of the body as the hardware, the spirit is like the software.  The spirit in the human plant is made up of a combination of: a) the genetic emanations of the vehicle, resulting from the many experiences of that genetic strain; b) the summation of its experiences and effects from its environment during the present lifetime; c) and the influence of discarnates (out of body spirits) that like to time-share the use of our body with us.  Most humans in this civilization are simply a plant containing a spirit that really has no “life” in it, for without any Next Level mind there is no life information.  Only a “soul” contains pure Next Level mind – knowledge of the true Kingdom of God and the potential of having a future, and no human has a “soul” which contains life unless it has been deposited in them by Members of the Next Level.  Only the Next Level can deposit “souls” in the human kingdom, and this only occurs during the “seasons” that the Next Level comes in close – around the time of their visitations.

     Thus, when the Next Level picks the human bodies (containing spirits) that we (Ti, Do, and crew) must enter into as we begin this task of “incarnating,” the body that we will be borrowing (and eventually taking over) has in a sense a mind of its own – made up of all the desires and awarenesses of its genetic background.  It has its own likes and dislikes, its desires to indulge in addictions and pleasures, lots of misinformation concepts, strong ties and responsibilities to other human plants it’s related to, and even seemingly positive desires, like wanting to be a good humanitarian or “be a good human.”  When the Next Level “tags” a human vehicle for a returning soul to use – which means the deposit is “implanted” – then confusion and conflict set in between the desires of the vehicle (and the spirits that associate with it) and the desires of the Next Level mind contained in the deposit, that says (mostly in the subconscious), “It’s time to sever all those ties, it’s time to stop indulging in that human-mammalian behavior, wake up, there’s a task you have to do, the truth is simple, you’ve got to find your teachers”!

     To illustrate how real this deposit is, I’d like to briefly illustrate how it worked for me.  The vehicle that I was about to take over began showing obvious symptoms of having a “deposit” in the early to mid-70’s.  First it was mainly feeling a “presence” and having strong thoughts of wondering, “What am I supposed to do?  What do you want me to do”? while feeling very close to and wanting to talk to God in my silence.  Usually, without warning, the vehicle would suddenly have thoughts like, “I’m not one of these. Who are these primitive people”?  For a few years it went through wanting to become a nun (assuming religion was where the truth should be found), to later giving up traditional religion and searching out other religions and philosophies – but nothing seemed right.  The vehicle hitch-hiked through other nations to explore other cultures, and across the U.S., losing interest in the traditional medical career and investigating alternative health care, new-age, and on and on.  Still wondering, “What on Earth am I doing here”? and begging God to “Please show me, what am I supposed to do”?  Sometimes the vehicle’s impulses were very strong in regard to all the typical indulgences of the 70’s, and at times another voice would speak up and it would seem so clear that celibacy was the right thing, drugs had to go, and the idea of marriage and kids seemed totally out of the question.  There was an increasing sense of urgency to leave the East coast and get to Oregon. Every deposit has a different program, but looking back, I can see clearly how this vehicle was so carefully led through a series of experiences that eventually led it to show up at a meeting by the Two in Waldport, Oregon on September 14, 1975.

     The day before the Waldport meeting was when I had my first contact with anything connected to Ti and Do.  A friend and I thought we were going to a musical event a few hours away in Eugene, but it was canceled.  Instead we ended up walking around town and went into a bookstore.  That moment changed my life.  I was looking at a poster announcing a public meeting.  It was titled “UFO’s,” which hadn’t really meant that much to me previously.  But then I read on: “Two individuals say they are about to leave the human level and literally (physically) enter the next evolutionary level.  Followers of ‘The Two’ will discuss how the transition from the human level to the Next Level is accomplished and when this may be done.”  Wow!  It felt like a bolt of electricity went right through me.  An alarm went off in my head – like a sudden unconscious recognition of something very familiar, and it was already seeming clear that I’d found what I was looking for.  It was as though that combination of words used on the poster was a key that unlocked something inside me.  When that mind deposit is activated, the little program in there that is identifying as “you” – that was started some time ago – starts identifying as “you” again – because it is you.  We drove toward Waldport that night.

     A statement written by Ti and Do was passed out to everyone as we arrived at the meeting in Waldport.  As I read it, and as I listened to Ti and Do speak, I (the deposit – containing my soul made up of Next Level mind) immediately recognized the information and my Teachers.  Something inside me knew, “This is it!  This is what I’m here for.  The truth is simple.”  The Two had it all summed up on one typed page – the whole truth.  I couldn’t believe it.  All the pieces of the puzzle fit together.  A part of that one page statement read:                …a human who seeks only to become a member of his      next evolutionary kingdom may become a member of that      kingdom if he completely overcomes all the aspects and      influences of the human level providing he has found favor      with a member of that next level who will direct him through      his metamorphosis…the human can complete this changeover      only before his death as a human…                …There are two individuals here now who have also      come from that kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened…They      are sent from the same kingdom by the “Father” to bear the      same truth that was Jesus’…restore its accurate      meaning…Those who believe this process and do it will be      “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death –      literally…        There was quite a crowd at a follow-up meeting in Eugene a day or two later, and amidst an atmosphere of chaos, fear, and confusion – I looked up to the heavens and said to whoever was guiding and watching over me – “I’m incapable of judging this – I’m in your hands – Please show me what to do – If this is right, you make it happen.”  Within a few minutes, a couple of followers of the Two motioned to me to come over to them and asked some questions.  I guess they could sense my sincerity, because they gave me a piece of paper with a destination written on it of where to meet them next.

     Several hundred miles away, and a few days later, after having “walked out the door of the vehicle’s life,” I rendezvoused with the group and spoke to Ti and Do for the first time.  I remember the moment as clear as a bell.  We were at a campground on a high mesa in Colorado, and Ti and Do were sitting in a couple of lawn chairs, meeting individually with the new prospective students who came out of the Waldport meeting.  As I approached them, Ti asked, “How can we help you”?  This vehicle was speechless at first, and I remember so clearly that the impulse I had was to want to drop to my knees and cover my eyes.  The only way I can describe it is the way it interpreted through this vehicle’s computer, colored by its old religious programming – because it felt like I was standing before my Lord, my God.  They seemed so familiar, but the thought I had was, “It seems so strange to see you in these human bodies.”  (Like normally, where we come from, where they occupy heavenly bodies, I wouldn’t be able to gaze upon them.)  All this was going through my head while I was trying to think of something to say.  We talked a few moments. The point is, it was pretty clear that I had known them previously, but not in these human bodies or “suits of clothes,” and that their minds were much older and wiser than I could even begin to comprehend. That night we all camped together and I slept outside watching the stars.  I was so thankful, so elated, so relieved, that I was home, with my true family – my soul family.  Now that I was connected with my Teachers, I knew I was safe – in their hands and the Next Level’s safe-keeping.  There was no more fear.  The best way I know to describe how I felt was, “My joy no man can take away.”

     For those who may be quick to judge that Ti and Do are two con- artists who deceived these innocent students into following them, whether for personal ego or for monetary gain, or any other reason you might conjure up, you’re gravely mistaken.  I am not an innocent victim.  It is beyond any doubt to me that we students and our Teachers are not from this world, but from the Level Above Human.  We had a task to come to this garden and incarnate into these borrowed adult human bodies that were “tagged” with a deposit and set aside for us, and abort all human mind, while replacing it by filling the soul with the mind of the Next Level as taught to us by our Teachers.  Then as the Next Level mind increases – and the soul begins to grow larger – the soul becomes a new “physical body” (invisible to humans because it’s of a higher vibration) – a newborn – in a new species.  This is being “born again” in the truest sense.  If the soul has grown sufficiently that the mind it contains is a match for the conduct and ways of that Next Kingdom, the true Kingdom of God, then that soul – new creature – will be issued a new “outer shell” or more advanced suit of clothes (“glorified body”) upon physically entering the Next Level, when we shed this human container at the conclusion of our task here.  The Level Above Human is a genderless Kingdom, and it is through this “metamorphic process” that it “reproduces” or adds to its Kingdom membership.  To complete this metamorphosis usually requires more than one period of visitation from the Level Above Human.  For example, we feel that probably all the students of Ti and Do were given their initial deposit some time ago, during prior visitations from Next Level Representatives.  As long as those souls continued to look to their source of nourishment and remain loyal and faithful, then they were “put on ice,” so to speak, in the keeping of the Next Level, between visitations, to be re-deposited and again connect with and seek the nurturing from a Rep during the next visitation.

     Now, at the close of the Age, all souls who have ever been given a deposit by the Next Level during any part of this present civilization, are back – incarnate again.  Even those who may have “fallen away” at one time, have a new opportunity to be restored. Those human plants who do not have a deposit will not even be capable of comprehending what we say, but there may be many human plants out there who have been given a deposit by Members of the Next Level for the first time, and will be able to recognize that what we are saying is true and the only thing that makes any sense to them.  How an individual responds to us and our information will determine whether they will have a future, and a further relationship with the Next Level.  In other words, coming in contact with this information will force a decision for all with souls (whether new deposits or returnees) and the stand they individually take will judge or determine their future.

     For several months in late ’75 and early ’76 while still holding meetings, searching for the rest of the crew who came with Ti and Do from the Next Level, many of us only saw Ti and Do a couple of times. Quite a few new followers dropped out during that time, and we now understand why.  It was because some were simply curiosity seekers, some were humans (without a deposit) just looking for an adventure, and some were part of the crew who came to be with Ti and Do on this mission and had a deposit, but found the disciplines to be too difficult – because they weren’t successful in overriding the desires of the vehicle they were wearing.  However, many followers did survive this early weeding-out process.  These are those who had deposits – who had a strong sense of knowing that they were sent here at this time to do a task, and had a strong recognition of Ti and Do and the information they brought.

     It was in late June/early July of 1976 that Ti and Do gathered all their surviving new students/disciples together in Medicine Bow National Forest in Wyoming.  Here is where the intensive “classroom” for learning Next Level ways and behavior began.  This is when Ti and Do really began taking us through the process of “incarnating” – what Ti and Do must have told us a million times before we finally began to grasp it – how to “get your mind into your vehicle.”

                                                        March 16, 1996

                        Appendix A  –  Page 5

Ollody’s Saturn painting and relationship to Hale Bopp Companion

March 7, 2011

Somewhere I was surfing about I came upon an internet friends use of a picture I recognized from the Heaven’s Gate classroom, in particular one that I knew Ollody had painted so I asked the friend where he acquired the pic from to which he responded, “hey Sawyer, I pulled it from heavensgate.com. if you object to my use, I’ll change it. peace”, (dumb me as I forgot it was posted there).

However, because of my typical taking of anything as an excuse to rant and rave about the group I ended up giving him a history of that painting and of course whatever came to my mind that was interelated and thought it might be worth passing on here.

Here is the thumbnail of the pic he was using:

and my disortation on this pic’s history and more:

Sawyer Heavensgate March 2 at 11:53pm Wow, thanks for asking but I’m not one to say what someone can or can’t use. I have commented to those that chose “ody” names that were not given that name by Ti and Do and I could be wrong but felt Do approved of my expressing that but in terms of the pictures, I can’t see what harm they would do.

At some point though, as I’m thinking about Do right now, in this regard you might want to give credit to the pictures creator at some point if it feels right to do. It was Ollody and that would be the name I would suggest using as that is who He most is though his vehicle’s name was Cabot Van Sinderen (By the way I met with his vehicle’s sister sometime after they layed down their lives and she felt he was very happy in the group). In the exit video’s he wore a Dr. Seuss tophat. He also was good a “burbling peas” as we had some very silly times together. He began it as a drawing and then he airbrushed it. I watched him do it when we had a “new agey type center” in Amarillo, Texas in about 1981 where he was working part of the time (as well as others – I was doing astological progressions for a few of our astrological clients. By the way, this was the only time we did this kind of enterprise and it was short lived – maybe 4 months or so and I doubt we made much money at it as that wasn’t the main idea. It was simply what Ti and Do wanted to expose us to in our classroom).

Ollody was so, so meticulous and spent many hours on those rings. It was part of a entire series that were the illustrations for a movie Ti and Do instigated and later Do and some in the class tried to peddle a few years later to Gary Kurtz’s office, a documentary maker who worked alongside Stanley Kubrick, the 2001 Space Oddessy director as another ody named Cddody who left the group in 1989 or 90?, who I still have some occasional contact with and before joining with Ti and Do worked for Gary as an editor and who was on the 3 person movie making team with Ollody and another x-member named Dncody – Richard Joslyn who since has died.

I take every opportunity to share as much history as I can for whatever it may be worth and I will probably post this on my blog though I will remove the name you are using here in case it’s real as at some point it may be quite dangerous to associate with Ti and Do and believers.

I’ve tried to gain access to the rest of the image series but have not been successful and that’s a long, long story.

There were some prints made at one point and I believe may have sold some of them in the late 1980’s in the Albuquerque area where we had them in a gallery for a time. There is actually a potential story to that picture beyond what’s I’ve already told. It was one of two planets that he painted for the series. The other was pluto which we know now is not considered to be a planet which is interesting too because Ti and Do depicted pluto as a Next Level base for operations with the Earth garden they created from scratch, however they do that exactly I have little idea about. Anyway I hadn’t thought of their being any significance to that pic of saturn beyond it’s brilliant rings until…well yesterday or the day before but I was just a couple hours ago thinking about what I just read about Saturn in relationship to the Hale-Bopp Comet. Here is an excerpt from an article:

“November 14, 1996: Chuck Shramek takes a CCD image of the comet. One of the background stars displays some spikes, giving it a “Saturn-like” look. On Art Bell’s radio show, Mr.Shramek announced this Saturn-Like Object (SLO) to the world. The rumor spread on the net that this object was a huge spacecraft (3 times as large as the Earth). The original image is compared to the Palomar Sky Survey, and the SLO is identified as star SAO 141894.” But this rumor of the SLO was part of the basis of saying the companion idea was absurd as if it had been as big as Saturn and/or 3 times the size of earth, it would have been so very bright so not to be mistaken for a star or anything else. For this reason it became very easy for some to dismiss the entire premise of a companion. A huge side note to this is that there had been a number of amateur sky watchers: (STACE TUSSEL and according to Stace, Ron Russel) that were using binoculars to watch Hale Bopp in October of 1996, who watched this so called star SAO 141894 stay with Hale-Bopp over a number of days while Hale Bopp moved considerably each day. Stars don’t move hardly at all. In the words of Stace: “In the fall of 1996, my friend Ron Russell and I were together one evening when we first heard about Comet Hale-Bopp. Detailed coordinates allowed us to locate the “new” comet in the sky with just binoculars. As I recall we followed the directions precisely by first locating a certain notable star through the binocs, then we looked a few degrees to the left of it and up by a certain number of degrees. There it was! Unmistakable – and beautiful. What a sight: a bright nucleus shedding a misty dust field behind it. I can’t say how I knew this right away, but I straightaway noticed a spot of light in the tail that seemed distinctly unnatural, and pointed it out to Ron. Over the next few nights we continued to follow the comet as it coursed past the star background, the object in the tail as obvious as a clingy puppy. I’m no astronomer, but I knew that something was excitingly “wrong” about the light following Hale-Bopp. Night after night we watched the two lights riding side-by-side through space. (Note, this was BEFORE the late Chuck Shramek released his photo of Hale-Bopp and the companion object. Ron and I were, we later found out, among many other, lucky discoverers of the “hitchhiker.”) ”

And these amateur observers noted that after Hale-Bopp comet left our viewing area by going behind the Sun, when it re-emerged the object was not to be found.

Also note that many photographs were taken by hubble and by many amateur sky watchers right up until and after it came it’s closest to Earth, therefore after it went behind the sun that clearly showed TWO “tails” thus one could speculate that the object either cloaked or merged closer to the nucleus to purposely be totally hidden.

Sure it’s after the fact now, but given my experience with Ti and Do, this would be just like the Next Level’s motis operandi to be sure that an object was visible for a time so it would be reported because Ti knew well that Do had his eyes, ears and feeler opened wide to every avenue he could day and night to signals from Ti. Few people can fathom the type of communication Do had with Ti, speaking of after Ti left the physical vehicle she chose for her part of the task, as she said to Do early on that puzzeled Do until after her vehicle died, “I’m here to just get you (Do) going and then I’m going back”. (Do said he wondered what she meant by that and he also scratched his head thinking…”was she thinking of going back to her vehicle’s family in Corpus Christi?”, a very strange thought to consider. One might think, why didn’t Do ask her what she meant if it was that puzzleing. And I don’t know for sure, except that there were a number of times that I didn’t ask Ti or Do certain questions bbecause it either didn’t occur to me at the time or because, frankly I was almost always in a state of awe with them, but espeically with Ti whom I had much less one on one relationship. They didn’t command that kind of awe nor intimidate me by “putting me in my place” to where I feared asking them certain questions, though my awe did have a part of it that didn’t know if I’d be stepping out of line. They weren’t like chums to students and I don’t think Ti was like a chum to Do. I could go into this a great deal but I’ll save it.

But re: the companion’s hide and seek behavior, I believe the Next Level at that point and apparantly all along, even back to Jesus and back to Moses times is careful NOT to appear human or space alien (human equivilent) to humans they especially consider prospective candidates to become seed hosts for incoming previously “saved” ” “saints”, those more experienced Souls who in their last lifetime and before then had had physical relationship(s) with a member of the Next Level, ie. Jesus, Moses and died in His(Their) belief and service. However with the so called UFO crashes in the late 40’s and early 50’s that they staged staying that hidden would have been an exception, though for a very short time period before the mission was underway as They want to demonstrate their difference from the onslaught of space alien crafts that they knew would be let loose on Earth once the classroom and Do exited their pphysical vehicles and I beleive the immedieate atmosphere and vicinity of Earth.

Ti and Do said the Next Level doesn’t want to give undisputible proof to anyone who still had the potiential to become one of their students. I understand that to be because of how such so called proof would be manipulative of our faith in them, the way the Luciferian space aliens did to Paul of Tarsus and others, like with Fatima and many other examples. The people that experience such supernatural looking events become mystified and mesmerized and hat gets recorded in history and passed on to future generations.

The strongest and most necessary faith comes from maintaining the day to day grind of not knowing for sure, and never stopping the press to see and know more even though to do so is difficult and plagued with a type of self doubt. One can never assume they can predict what the Next Level through their Older Members, in the most recent case, in the names Ti and Do might do in any given situation the reason They taught the classroom to become comfortable and honest with the idea that pertaining to the individual, “I could be wrong”.

So, a mouthful when all I needed to say was, “no problem I’m aware of your use of the pic”. Go in peace and thank’s again for asking.

…to which my friend replied, “Thanks for all that information. I’m sure i’ll mine you for more 🙂 peace.”

Was the Heaven’s Gate/Hale Bopp group murdered?

March 1, 2011

Are there any grounds to believe that Do and students aka the Heaven’s Gate group were murdered?

Apparently someone is spreading the idea and of course why not consider it. The shadow govt in the US has certainly done many shady deals. Instigating and then letting or even partially orchestrating and/or facilitating, even by not apprehending and/or intercepting one or all of the 9-11 attackers/airliners certainly has a great deal of grounds to consider something conspiratorial and sinister afoot, as with all the assassinations in the 60’s/70’s – JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcom X, John Lennon etc. – anyone who threatens the existing power structures by gaining people support. However, there was no people support for Bo and Peep (Do and Ti).

I know first hand that these were not murders in any way whatsoever though I know some say they murdered themselves or believe Do mesmerized them to euthanize themselves, both of which is preposterous when you know the full story.

They each knew exactly what they were doing and for a few, if they had any reservations they felt it was worth the gamble, what some would call the leap of faith. Of course for those with no faith in the real existence of a Creator Kingdom of  evolutionarily Above Human beings(mentally and physically), where Jesus  and Moses and Their  Father/Lord originated from then it would have seemed useless and/or insane.

I, known as Sawyer was with them from 1975 – 1994 which included when we talked about exiting our bodies by ingesting strong sleep/death inducing drugs. Do asked each student in group if they had an reservations after explaining the procedure.

This was days after the 2nd public dissemination of Ti and Do’s information that began 1/1/1994 and ended by early September of 1994 that began from Escondido, CA as 4 groups in vans going in separate directions and ended with meetings in New Hampshire.

Do actually first brought up the idea of “self assisted exit of our vehicles” while camping in eastern Massachusetts but just in a general way saying “we might have to take our exit into our own hands” which was because no one cared about what we were saying no matter how bold we were. I think in the New Hampshire meeting that was south of Portsmouth that I primarily spoke at, only a news reporter showed up to so it did become a picture in the paper that’s somewhere on the net.

But further evidence that this was not a murder was the fact that we had been considering the method of exit of our bodies and/or the planet since day one in 1975. Sure at first it was thought we’d be picked up by spacecraft. Ti and Do thought that so they said so. For some reason I in all honestly didn’t believe that then. I didn’t disbelieve it either. It just was something I had a hard time relating to. I did not join because of the UFO hype which by the way started because early students designed posters for meetings using UFO as a headline. When Ti and Do learned of it, they said they would have done it differently as they preferred to refer to the way members of the physical evolutionary level above human travel as spacecrafts though in statement one that Do wrote he did put in parentheses “UFO” alongside his biblical reference to the way Jesus exited by being lifted up into or taken away by a “cloud of light”. At that time Ti and Do who were then called Peep and Bo respectively thought all that would be seen as a spacecraft were Level Above Human aka Kingdom of God transportation. When they learned more about the reported behaviors on board crafts as depicted by contactees and abductees Ti knew they were not members of the Next Level as was the short name, next because it was a humans next opportunity to naturally advance beyond it’s mammalian kingdom level nature.

As Ti and Do thought they would get bumped off, which they were simply reading in the Rev. 11 prophecy that they figured they must be as they at first while still in Houston in 1973 first became aware that they had come from outer space and had a task to perform that had something to do with the bible and bringing some updates. It was a year later that they awakened to being the Two Witnesses in Rev. 11.

When the demonstration of rising from the dead according to their understanding of Rev 11 didn’t seem to be in the cards though there was significant anger against them, even hatred from all sectors, even  but especially from family members of Their followers and from their point of view somewhat understandably as they “know not what they do” Ti and Do believed the demonstration wasn’t going to happen because we, the students weren’t ready for Them to leave. Ti said at that time that the “demonstration was cancelled” though they said they felt shot down when Walter Cronkite announced on CBS national that authorities had discovered the names of the Mysterious Two who were responsible for people walking away from their lives in Waldport, Oregon, (though several dozen from San Francisco and Los Angeles) where I incidentally was building a tee pee styled small house from logs I cut down in the woods on a piece of land we were homesteading in a hippy kind of way.

I’ve detailed a broader picture of the Rev 11 prophecy that actually fits Ti and Do to a T in infovideo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cly07QX1Agw

After some years they thought they might exit their vehicles and/or earth before us and they asked us how that made us feel.

Then they felt on two occasions that we might get picked up by a spacecraft, once while near San Antonio and the second time after Ti’s vehicle “died” of cancer from near Albuquerque where we had engaged an indeterminate length fast that Do changed to water for 13 days with some of us thinking we would die in the desert there or get picked up.

By 1992 or so, after we watched the Branch Davidians get murdered by the ATF/FBI Do considered whether we could stimulate the govt to help us exit. Do asked what we thought about having some guns with blanks in them to provoke the govt with. In 1996 they actually bought two rifles while they were building an “earth ship” near Manzano, NM (not sure of that exact town name).

Then by 1994 having assisted many to leave in various ways direct and indirectly Do wondered if going pubic again might be met with anger enough to do us in but it didn’t.

Thus the two discussions I sited of self assisted exit.

All the while from at least 1990 the group Do had a book called the Hemlock society which talked about all the ways to  self assist one’s vehicles death. It was not available to the students at that time. I saw it once when I was called into Do’s quarters. Later it was put into our student library but it was never mandatory reading.

I was willing then to entertain taking such exit in our own hands.

The castrations were more evidence that this was a serious group that were willing to do whatever it took to show the Next Level that we wanted to be graduated to their “heavenly kingdom above human”. I gave my first hand testimony on the entire couple year discussion/consideration of voluntary castration in my info-video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZy0yVqhuwk

Ti and Do were also always one step ahead of investigators hired to look for their clients loved ones who were all adults and who informed their families of their choice though went for 8+ years without any contact. I say this because Ti and Do were very good at hiding and we moved a great deal.

When we moved into houses from being outside between Wyoming and Texas according to the season, with our tent city, we were told Ti was quite upset thinking that we wouldnt’ exit by spacecraft if we were in a house.

We also talked about growing old living the way we were, until one by one we died off and Do hated that prospect.

At one point in the early 1990’s Do contracted a case of Rocky Mountain Spotted Tick fever and he was very sick and very weak and he told some who visited him in the house he and his two most consistent student helpers were renting near Loveland, Co that he knew he could just curl up and exit his body and that he asked Ti if that was okay, as Ti had already exited by way of the cancer. Ti’s response was that it was Do’s choice. Do said he worried that we the students would flounder and go back into the world if he left so he decided to stay to see his task through.

Ti and Do didn’t ever relish the idea of being killed by someone. They used to joke that “I hope they shoot straight” as they didn’t want themselves or students to be left as vegetables.

And they felt Jesus demonstrated a self assisted exit by willfully walking into a setup to capture him that he knew would result in his being put to death.

It was simply a matter of when and how we’d be exiting our bodies, for instance at another’s hand or on board a spacecraft because Ti and Do never thought the Evolutionary Level Above Human (and Above all human equivalent space aliens) had much use for antiquated mammalian vehicles(bodies) as they Know that the Soul, a container that starts as a seed that they implant into selective human subjects who are desirous of working for whatever they consider to be the Kingdom of God.