Posts Tagged ‘Companion’

Ollody’s Saturn painting and relationship to Hale Bopp Companion

March 7, 2011

Somewhere I was surfing about I came upon an internet friends use of a picture I recognized from the Heaven’s Gate classroom, in particular one that I knew Ollody had painted so I asked the friend where he acquired the pic from to which he responded, “hey Sawyer, I pulled it from heavensgate.com. if you object to my use, I’ll change it. peace”, (dumb me as I forgot it was posted there).

However, because of my typical taking of anything as an excuse to rant and rave about the group I ended up giving him a history of that painting and of course whatever came to my mind that was interelated and thought it might be worth passing on here.

Here is the thumbnail of the pic he was using:

and my disortation on this pic’s history and more:

Sawyer Heavensgate March 2 at 11:53pm Wow, thanks for asking but I’m not one to say what someone can or can’t use. I have commented to those that chose “ody” names that were not given that name by Ti and Do and I could be wrong but felt Do approved of my expressing that but in terms of the pictures, I can’t see what harm they would do.

At some point though, as I’m thinking about Do right now, in this regard you might want to give credit to the pictures creator at some point if it feels right to do. It was Ollody and that would be the name I would suggest using as that is who He most is though his vehicle’s name was Cabot Van Sinderen (By the way I met with his vehicle’s sister sometime after they layed down their lives and she felt he was very happy in the group). In the exit video’s he wore a Dr. Seuss tophat. He also was good a “burbling peas” as we had some very silly times together. He began it as a drawing and then he airbrushed it. I watched him do it when we had a “new agey type center” in Amarillo, Texas in about 1981 where he was working part of the time (as well as others – I was doing astological progressions for a few of our astrological clients. By the way, this was the only time we did this kind of enterprise and it was short lived – maybe 4 months or so and I doubt we made much money at it as that wasn’t the main idea. It was simply what Ti and Do wanted to expose us to in our classroom).

Ollody was so, so meticulous and spent many hours on those rings. It was part of a entire series that were the illustrations for a movie Ti and Do instigated and later Do and some in the class tried to peddle a few years later to Gary Kurtz’s office, a documentary maker who worked alongside Stanley Kubrick, the 2001 Space Oddessy director as another ody named Cddody who left the group in 1989 or 90?, who I still have some occasional contact with and before joining with Ti and Do worked for Gary as an editor and who was on the 3 person movie making team with Ollody and another x-member named Dncody – Richard Joslyn who since has died.

I take every opportunity to share as much history as I can for whatever it may be worth and I will probably post this on my blog though I will remove the name you are using here in case it’s real as at some point it may be quite dangerous to associate with Ti and Do and believers.

I’ve tried to gain access to the rest of the image series but have not been successful and that’s a long, long story.

There were some prints made at one point and I believe may have sold some of them in the late 1980’s in the Albuquerque area where we had them in a gallery for a time. There is actually a potential story to that picture beyond what’s I’ve already told. It was one of two planets that he painted for the series. The other was pluto which we know now is not considered to be a planet which is interesting too because Ti and Do depicted pluto as a Next Level base for operations with the Earth garden they created from scratch, however they do that exactly I have little idea about. Anyway I hadn’t thought of their being any significance to that pic of saturn beyond it’s brilliant rings until…well yesterday or the day before but I was just a couple hours ago thinking about what I just read about Saturn in relationship to the Hale-Bopp Comet. Here is an excerpt from an article:

“November 14, 1996: Chuck Shramek takes a CCD image of the comet. One of the background stars displays some spikes, giving it a “Saturn-like” look. On Art Bell’s radio show, Mr.Shramek announced this Saturn-Like Object (SLO) to the world. The rumor spread on the net that this object was a huge spacecraft (3 times as large as the Earth). The original image is compared to the Palomar Sky Survey, and the SLO is identified as star SAO 141894.” But this rumor of the SLO was part of the basis of saying the companion idea was absurd as if it had been as big as Saturn and/or 3 times the size of earth, it would have been so very bright so not to be mistaken for a star or anything else. For this reason it became very easy for some to dismiss the entire premise of a companion. A huge side note to this is that there had been a number of amateur sky watchers: (STACE TUSSEL and according to Stace, Ron Russel) that were using binoculars to watch Hale Bopp in October of 1996, who watched this so called star SAO 141894 stay with Hale-Bopp over a number of days while Hale Bopp moved considerably each day. Stars don’t move hardly at all. In the words of Stace: “In the fall of 1996, my friend Ron Russell and I were together one evening when we first heard about Comet Hale-Bopp. Detailed coordinates allowed us to locate the “new” comet in the sky with just binoculars. As I recall we followed the directions precisely by first locating a certain notable star through the binocs, then we looked a few degrees to the left of it and up by a certain number of degrees. There it was! Unmistakable – and beautiful. What a sight: a bright nucleus shedding a misty dust field behind it. I can’t say how I knew this right away, but I straightaway noticed a spot of light in the tail that seemed distinctly unnatural, and pointed it out to Ron. Over the next few nights we continued to follow the comet as it coursed past the star background, the object in the tail as obvious as a clingy puppy. I’m no astronomer, but I knew that something was excitingly “wrong” about the light following Hale-Bopp. Night after night we watched the two lights riding side-by-side through space. (Note, this was BEFORE the late Chuck Shramek released his photo of Hale-Bopp and the companion object. Ron and I were, we later found out, among many other, lucky discoverers of the “hitchhiker.”) ”

And these amateur observers noted that after Hale-Bopp comet left our viewing area by going behind the Sun, when it re-emerged the object was not to be found.

Also note that many photographs were taken by hubble and by many amateur sky watchers right up until and after it came it’s closest to Earth, therefore after it went behind the sun that clearly showed TWO “tails” thus one could speculate that the object either cloaked or merged closer to the nucleus to purposely be totally hidden.

Sure it’s after the fact now, but given my experience with Ti and Do, this would be just like the Next Level’s motis operandi to be sure that an object was visible for a time so it would be reported because Ti knew well that Do had his eyes, ears and feeler opened wide to every avenue he could day and night to signals from Ti. Few people can fathom the type of communication Do had with Ti, speaking of after Ti left the physical vehicle she chose for her part of the task, as she said to Do early on that puzzeled Do until after her vehicle died, “I’m here to just get you (Do) going and then I’m going back”. (Do said he wondered what she meant by that and he also scratched his head thinking…”was she thinking of going back to her vehicle’s family in Corpus Christi?”, a very strange thought to consider. One might think, why didn’t Do ask her what she meant if it was that puzzleing. And I don’t know for sure, except that there were a number of times that I didn’t ask Ti or Do certain questions bbecause it either didn’t occur to me at the time or because, frankly I was almost always in a state of awe with them, but espeically with Ti whom I had much less one on one relationship. They didn’t command that kind of awe nor intimidate me by “putting me in my place” to where I feared asking them certain questions, though my awe did have a part of it that didn’t know if I’d be stepping out of line. They weren’t like chums to students and I don’t think Ti was like a chum to Do. I could go into this a great deal but I’ll save it.

But re: the companion’s hide and seek behavior, I believe the Next Level at that point and apparantly all along, even back to Jesus and back to Moses times is careful NOT to appear human or space alien (human equivilent) to humans they especially consider prospective candidates to become seed hosts for incoming previously “saved” ” “saints”, those more experienced Souls who in their last lifetime and before then had had physical relationship(s) with a member of the Next Level, ie. Jesus, Moses and died in His(Their) belief and service. However with the so called UFO crashes in the late 40’s and early 50’s that they staged staying that hidden would have been an exception, though for a very short time period before the mission was underway as They want to demonstrate their difference from the onslaught of space alien crafts that they knew would be let loose on Earth once the classroom and Do exited their pphysical vehicles and I beleive the immedieate atmosphere and vicinity of Earth.

Ti and Do said the Next Level doesn’t want to give undisputible proof to anyone who still had the potiential to become one of their students. I understand that to be because of how such so called proof would be manipulative of our faith in them, the way the Luciferian space aliens did to Paul of Tarsus and others, like with Fatima and many other examples. The people that experience such supernatural looking events become mystified and mesmerized and hat gets recorded in history and passed on to future generations.

The strongest and most necessary faith comes from maintaining the day to day grind of not knowing for sure, and never stopping the press to see and know more even though to do so is difficult and plagued with a type of self doubt. One can never assume they can predict what the Next Level through their Older Members, in the most recent case, in the names Ti and Do might do in any given situation the reason They taught the classroom to become comfortable and honest with the idea that pertaining to the individual, “I could be wrong”.

So, a mouthful when all I needed to say was, “no problem I’m aware of your use of the pic”. Go in peace and thank’s again for asking.

…to which my friend replied, “Thanks for all that information. I’m sure i’ll mine you for more 🙂 peace.”

Was the Heaven’s Gate/Hale Bopp group murdered?

March 1, 2011

Are there any grounds to believe that Do and students aka the Heaven’s Gate group were murdered?

Apparently someone is spreading the idea and of course why not consider it. The shadow govt in the US has certainly done many shady deals. Instigating and then letting or even partially orchestrating and/or facilitating, even by not apprehending and/or intercepting one or all of the 9-11 attackers/airliners certainly has a great deal of grounds to consider something conspiratorial and sinister afoot, as with all the assassinations in the 60’s/70’s – JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcom X, John Lennon etc. – anyone who threatens the existing power structures by gaining people support. However, there was no people support for Bo and Peep (Do and Ti).

I know first hand that these were not murders in any way whatsoever though I know some say they murdered themselves or believe Do mesmerized them to euthanize themselves, both of which is preposterous when you know the full story.

They each knew exactly what they were doing and for a few, if they had any reservations they felt it was worth the gamble, what some would call the leap of faith. Of course for those with no faith in the real existence of a Creator Kingdom of  evolutionarily Above Human beings(mentally and physically), where Jesus  and Moses and Their  Father/Lord originated from then it would have seemed useless and/or insane.

I, known as Sawyer was with them from 1975 – 1994 which included when we talked about exiting our bodies by ingesting strong sleep/death inducing drugs. Do asked each student in group if they had an reservations after explaining the procedure.

This was days after the 2nd public dissemination of Ti and Do’s information that began 1/1/1994 and ended by early September of 1994 that began from Escondido, CA as 4 groups in vans going in separate directions and ended with meetings in New Hampshire.

Do actually first brought up the idea of “self assisted exit of our vehicles” while camping in eastern Massachusetts but just in a general way saying “we might have to take our exit into our own hands” which was because no one cared about what we were saying no matter how bold we were. I think in the New Hampshire meeting that was south of Portsmouth that I primarily spoke at, only a news reporter showed up to so it did become a picture in the paper that’s somewhere on the net.

But further evidence that this was not a murder was the fact that we had been considering the method of exit of our bodies and/or the planet since day one in 1975. Sure at first it was thought we’d be picked up by spacecraft. Ti and Do thought that so they said so. For some reason I in all honestly didn’t believe that then. I didn’t disbelieve it either. It just was something I had a hard time relating to. I did not join because of the UFO hype which by the way started because early students designed posters for meetings using UFO as a headline. When Ti and Do learned of it, they said they would have done it differently as they preferred to refer to the way members of the physical evolutionary level above human travel as spacecrafts though in statement one that Do wrote he did put in parentheses “UFO” alongside his biblical reference to the way Jesus exited by being lifted up into or taken away by a “cloud of light”. At that time Ti and Do who were then called Peep and Bo respectively thought all that would be seen as a spacecraft were Level Above Human aka Kingdom of God transportation. When they learned more about the reported behaviors on board crafts as depicted by contactees and abductees Ti knew they were not members of the Next Level as was the short name, next because it was a humans next opportunity to naturally advance beyond it’s mammalian kingdom level nature.

As Ti and Do thought they would get bumped off, which they were simply reading in the Rev. 11 prophecy that they figured they must be as they at first while still in Houston in 1973 first became aware that they had come from outer space and had a task to perform that had something to do with the bible and bringing some updates. It was a year later that they awakened to being the Two Witnesses in Rev. 11.

When the demonstration of rising from the dead according to their understanding of Rev 11 didn’t seem to be in the cards though there was significant anger against them, even hatred from all sectors, even  but especially from family members of Their followers and from their point of view somewhat understandably as they “know not what they do” Ti and Do believed the demonstration wasn’t going to happen because we, the students weren’t ready for Them to leave. Ti said at that time that the “demonstration was cancelled” though they said they felt shot down when Walter Cronkite announced on CBS national that authorities had discovered the names of the Mysterious Two who were responsible for people walking away from their lives in Waldport, Oregon, (though several dozen from San Francisco and Los Angeles) where I incidentally was building a tee pee styled small house from logs I cut down in the woods on a piece of land we were homesteading in a hippy kind of way.

I’ve detailed a broader picture of the Rev 11 prophecy that actually fits Ti and Do to a T in infovideo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cly07QX1Agw

After some years they thought they might exit their vehicles and/or earth before us and they asked us how that made us feel.

Then they felt on two occasions that we might get picked up by a spacecraft, once while near San Antonio and the second time after Ti’s vehicle “died” of cancer from near Albuquerque where we had engaged an indeterminate length fast that Do changed to water for 13 days with some of us thinking we would die in the desert there or get picked up.

By 1992 or so, after we watched the Branch Davidians get murdered by the ATF/FBI Do considered whether we could stimulate the govt to help us exit. Do asked what we thought about having some guns with blanks in them to provoke the govt with. In 1996 they actually bought two rifles while they were building an “earth ship” near Manzano, NM (not sure of that exact town name).

Then by 1994 having assisted many to leave in various ways direct and indirectly Do wondered if going pubic again might be met with anger enough to do us in but it didn’t.

Thus the two discussions I sited of self assisted exit.

All the while from at least 1990 the group Do had a book called the Hemlock society which talked about all the ways to  self assist one’s vehicles death. It was not available to the students at that time. I saw it once when I was called into Do’s quarters. Later it was put into our student library but it was never mandatory reading.

I was willing then to entertain taking such exit in our own hands.

The castrations were more evidence that this was a serious group that were willing to do whatever it took to show the Next Level that we wanted to be graduated to their “heavenly kingdom above human”. I gave my first hand testimony on the entire couple year discussion/consideration of voluntary castration in my info-video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZy0yVqhuwk

Ti and Do were also always one step ahead of investigators hired to look for their clients loved ones who were all adults and who informed their families of their choice though went for 8+ years without any contact. I say this because Ti and Do were very good at hiding and we moved a great deal.

When we moved into houses from being outside between Wyoming and Texas according to the season, with our tent city, we were told Ti was quite upset thinking that we wouldnt’ exit by spacecraft if we were in a house.

We also talked about growing old living the way we were, until one by one we died off and Do hated that prospect.

At one point in the early 1990’s Do contracted a case of Rocky Mountain Spotted Tick fever and he was very sick and very weak and he told some who visited him in the house he and his two most consistent student helpers were renting near Loveland, Co that he knew he could just curl up and exit his body and that he asked Ti if that was okay, as Ti had already exited by way of the cancer. Ti’s response was that it was Do’s choice. Do said he worried that we the students would flounder and go back into the world if he left so he decided to stay to see his task through.

Ti and Do didn’t ever relish the idea of being killed by someone. They used to joke that “I hope they shoot straight” as they didn’t want themselves or students to be left as vegetables.

And they felt Jesus demonstrated a self assisted exit by willfully walking into a setup to capture him that he knew would result in his being put to death.

It was simply a matter of when and how we’d be exiting our bodies, for instance at another’s hand or on board a spacecraft because Ti and Do never thought the Evolutionary Level Above Human (and Above all human equivalent space aliens) had much use for antiquated mammalian vehicles(bodies) as they Know that the Soul, a container that starts as a seed that they implant into selective human subjects who are desirous of working for whatever they consider to be the Kingdom of God.