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Phoenix Lights=alien attempt to upstage Heavens Gate HaleBopp Comet Encounter

February 7, 2016

Below is my comment to a blogger who reports new airforce footage of a jet following a triangle shaped black, so called UFO, that allegedly occurred during the famous March 13th 1997 Phoenix Lights sightings. The link to her blog and the link to the video of the jet in pursuit of the triangle UFO is at the end of this post. (It shows the cockpit view from the jet and the craft it is in pursuit of that is black and triangle shaped and is very clearly some type of manufactured craft dipping and rolling about).  I wanted to express some of what I thought could have been behind the Phoenix lights event, whether this triangle craft was space alien generated or U.S. govn’t instigated or a joint human and human equivilent program development – perhaps the least likley scenerio, at least in any kind of direct fashion.

Sawyer’s comment:

You could be right about some or all of what was called the Phoenix Lights being staged one way or the other, either by humans and/or by space aliens. If it was staged by humans or space aliens, I say it was because of ideas given to humans to have a reason to do so and at that specific time and location, because that’s how both the space aliens and humans work. Ti and Do taught that all humans to include human equivilent space aliens are influenced by discarnates and/or thought projections and it’s the ones known as Lucifer and his associates, who wield the biggest influence and who teach mortal discarnates to do the same which can be as simple as giving certain humans who have authority direction as ideas they would have.

The space aliens are not one group either. Their made up of multiple races, literally brought to the earth vicinity without their knowledge by the provisons of highways in the heavens they were given a one way pass on. Othewise there was no way for them to traverse the distances within even a number of human lifetimes, though some do have extended liftimes that Do indicated to about 1000 years (which shows in the records of the current early part of the civilization).

So the space alien races don’t have one organization though may have alliances with one another that extend to human governmental organizations, I believe Ti and Do also indicated. Ti and Do spent little time on all this. It’s little tiny one sentence tidbits that when looking back and combining with what we learn about from reports shape a picture that makes reality look far stranger than any fiction, though The Next Level is the source of even that fiction indirectly and directly, though some of which comes from the ideas the Luciferian space aliens provide humans in thought as ideas and motivations to play out their agendas.

So the aliens have competitions among one another for the spoils of the planet” whcih is also spelled out in non-religious historically recorded word of mouth/written Jesus forcasting of this time, referred to as prophecy. However, in general, which always works it’s way down to the same specifics the aliens have the same agenda to steal “souls” and/or to advance human’s in technological development they can benefit from and/or advance their hybridization programs to develop new bodies from, they can program for their use (that the bodies don’t know is happening because of the mind control over them from their bith as we also see throughout human populations) or to develop longevity and survivalist technologies and sustainable energy system development – to power their spacecrafts and environments on craft and provide sustenence that also carrys over to their hiding in their underground bases where they have been forced to retreat during previous civilizational recycling times.

I know from reports that particular triangle shaped black craft that look like the one later shown to be among the first “stealth” aircraft designs were seen by people I’ve read in reports over the years and had conversation with one who is a Hopi descendent in Arizona who did quite a bit of investigation into the Phoenix lights and the triangle shaped craft who went to Virginia and got a hold of some footage of the same kind of craft in that  airspace. Virgina seems to definitely be a hub and is even where Virginia Tech hosted a mirror Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” site and it’s interesting that it’s been “marked” it seems by the Next Level in these latest “fireball” sightings at the end of January of this year of 2016 that also marked Arizona with a sighting, Maine (kennebunkport?) to North Carolina and Kentucky, this time around.

By the way, those “fireballs” as I reported seem to be arriving in the same pattern as they did first in 2013 that started with the Russian Cherblynsk “meteor” that flew over that city and did result in some minor injuries from thousands of broken windows but no fatalities or serious injuries reported. In fact, each year starting in 2013 the Fireballs were followed by a near miss asteroid and a couple comet that in several cases came out of nowhere that came to perihelion within days of the March 22nd Hale Bopp’s perihelion, when the Heaven’s Gate “cult of truth” members layed down their lives, believing doing so was TIMED by the comet’s arrival as they had been anticipating since 1975 to come to pick them up. For those that know some of that history, one would know that at that time Ti and Do thought we’d be picked up with our vehicles, while they also thought each student that was fully embracing what they taught was literally growing something inside of our human bodies. They didn’t get any more specific than that at that time but only said we were going to experience “body changes”. It was many years later that Do spoke about how the “deposit” provided each who is “called” to the opportunity is a physical container that houses Next Level Mind (holy spirit). They knew that was what would be born but they didn’t know when the Next Level would move that “body” out of the human body and into the Next Level body that was to be “grown” for that student according to what they had risen to in their metamorphic changeover.  Therefore when it happened by their own hands that was the method to exit their human bodies and since those soul bodies are invisible to humans it was the “spririt/mind (soul) birth” Jesus spoke about happening upon his return. Therefore Ti and Do were 100% correct in thinking we would be picked up with our bodies – it just was the only body the Next Level harvests as they have no need for human bodies – they can grow them by the billions easily.

But why wouldn’t Ti and Do have said that it was our “soul body” that would be harvested in the first place. As they always said, they were only informed about what was going to happen and with certain understandings a little ahead of the student body. That is strategy becaues the Next Level knows the Luciferians will be looking for every way to create facsimili events and understandings and doubts and side issues to try to thwart the Next Level’s harvest of souls as they want souls for themselves, to add to their ranks and also resent the Next Levels authority over them so if nothing more want to try to prove them wrong at every turn.

And yet the Next Level knowing that uses it for several purposes. When something they say is later seen differently by them it’s uncanny to see how it resulted in a filtering of those who were not ready to go the distance of overcoming their humanness. Plus it provides another filter, giving people who might be on the fence an easy out as if someone wants an easy out, they too will not at that time go the distance, though for all it doesn’t mean once one has left a classroom or never even joined, that they can’t at any time switch gears and say to the Next Level, for those hearing this, to Ti and Do, they want to give it all they got, so want the help to do so. And by the way, if the “bombardment” from the lower forces we all must experience that trys to turn our eyes away from further growth towards Next Level Membership seems too hard to handle, then Ti and Do said we could ask the Next Level (Them) to ease up some.

Coming back to the Phoenix Lights, from the reports of that event, that triangle craft doesn’t seem to explain the famous “7 lights” that don’t look like one craft in their configuration, (but I don’t recall if they moved around, so could have been one craft or a combo of crafts forming a formation.) I don’t think drone technology was that well in place then).

What many in the know about space alien activity and in governments who have knowledge of space alien activity, that becomes divided into “good and bad aliens”, may not be open to considering, and that even some Christians who believe UFO’s are evidence of the fallen angels often don’t want to consider is that none of these are representative of the physical Living Above Human Beings who evolutionarily created everything. Some of these Christians will say, for instance that the UFO’s are satan yet will say space aliens don’t exist a typical way the Luciferians twist anyone’s thinking away from further reality. Where the non-christian based scientists and such, if they have recognized and dealt with the entire ufo and space aliens among us evidence will often say, there are both good and bad aliens – another Luciferian viewpoint that allows them to continue to enslave humans who were waking up more. As Jesus said “tricks” both in physical (ufo sightings and strange abduction accounts) and mental to miss the greater reality in front of us, to even sway those of the “elect” or “remainder”, another reason we won’t see the Next Level staging a sighting like the phoenix lights UNTIL the chance to be harvested in some fashion is passed as said in:

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

and then Do in his Next Level vehicle with graduates in their Next Level vehicles come with their armada of spacecraft “white horses” to be seen by EVERY EYE ON EARTH. I’d bet even the blind will have a minds picture of that, though that verse that says that also  refers to all manner of people seeing and some seeing because they have eyes to see.

NEXT LEVEL STRATEGY?

One thing that seems to be apparant is how Do and Crew of the 38 students had been building an “earthship” near Manzano, New Mexico until November of 1995 and suddenly got instructions from Ti (from His spacecraft) for Do and crew to move to Scottsdale,  and Paradise Valley, AZ. They had been hauling supplies to build their compound near Manzano “all summer long” (certain residents reported) and were regularily in touch with the people they rented office space from, that saw them everyday and knew of their earthship project and some of their far out thinking that wasn’t really out of place in that area.

The group bought that 40 acre plot, where they had intended to potentially stage or hope for an exit of their vehicles at the hands of the government, thinking along the lines of staging what happened at Waco with David Koresh and the Branch Davidian group. (Do was constantly seeking Ti’s will for them to conclude their nearly 25 years incarnate and was willing to provoke the government to accellerating their exit IF he felt Ti was behind their doing so. There is a great deal to talk about regarding Do’s thinking in this regard that can easily be ignored but I’ll just say that the human vehicle was never thought of as being harvested so how the souls would exit was always something  to try to stay in tune to as they also never knew when, though at one point they took a stab at it and the spacecraft didn’t come take us away so Ti told Do that he told us later after she left that she felt like she had “egg on her face” and then some students left the classroom shortly thereafter, presumably related to that forcast of “not more than 5 years” not being accurate. Ti and Do regretted saying that. Before saying that when asked how long before the craft comes, they would say “months”. That was their instruction to say and one can easily see why – because this wasn’t going to be a start of a new religion and they wern’t interested in lots of members, and they knew that it was possible to be months and they knew that one had to have a fire under them to hit the deck running or they would never make the grade. Ti and Do always kept an urgency about changing. It was a training program afterall.

It was in mid 1994 that we first believed we might have to “self exit” our vehicles as we put that suggestion into a poster used during the last meeting we gave in 1994 after 9 months of such meetings across the U.S. That was followed by a sense that no matter what we said publically, our exit and end of the task was probably not going to occur by another’s hand.

I was with them until September of 1994 when we had a meeting with even the new members of the group that had been gathered during that 2nd public meeting offering (after 17 years living in seclusion – “overcoming our human behaviors and ways”, which was after the first public meeting spree that also lasted for 9 months) where Do described in detail a plan to self exit by drinking a barbituate mixture that would essentially put our vehicles to permenant sleep, as it says in:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome ((to subdue)) them, and kill ((apokteino= seperate by dying) them ((auto= themselves)).

These double parens above are  the most accurate translation of those Greek words in this context. Ti and Do were subdued by the BEASTS (US) media in the public space (airwaves) and they weren’t put in graves yet their “fallen bodies” (reputations as they were called thieves) was in that public square for the “first third trimester half” as their story was in the media moreorless close to when Ti left her vehicle as we learned periodically.

At that meeting with Do in San Clemente warehouse in september of 1994 He asked each student, one by one, older and newer if they had any reservations as the first posters we used for the meetings said nothing about that kind of exit and there never was anything snuck up on anyone in my 19 years in the group. As it turned out a few did have reservations so Do asked what they wanted to do and they then wanted to leave the group and Do had “pursers” give them money and a train, bus or airplane ticket to wherever they wanted to go.

But that still didn’t leave Do with knowing that irreversilble action was to be their method of exit so he continued to explore alternatives as he had explored for most of the time I was a student, that actually started while Ti was still incarnate as they had that book by the Hemlock Society on all the ways one could self-exit. It’s really not suicide because suicide always includes some sort of negativity against self or others – for revenge or to escape difficult lessons on earth, lessons that we absolutely need to have our physical bodies to learn as once outside the physical body we are “set” in whatever we believed before we died.

I’ve already reported how some of us considered exiting by space craft pickup and/or by “fasting” our way out that was aborted after 14 days of a water only fast. And there was the time after the cocoon movie Do wondered about getting a boat to exit that way. He even bought a boat we had docked in Houston for as much as a year in case he felt instrucdton from Ti to all get on it and head out to sea.

If we believed in a Jesus that did it all (overcoming) for us, so that we didn’t have to do our own overcoming, then the “heaven” we get is just as fictitious when we die. If we die believing nothing is going to happen then that’s what we get – nothing. If we die thinking we will then be free, it is true but free only of the vehicle which is then also free to “change our mind” to grow, to have anything more than the freedom of floating around (though even that is limited though we won’t know we are limited as we won’t know that even in the first “heaven” – the spirit world there are “gates” and chambers, what Ti and Do called “buckets” or “boxes” which is a type of sorting the Next Level Above Human does with their school of spirits and souls as some who did the best they could with what they received will be “saved” for a future opportunity to be incarnate to learn more lessons at a time when an Older Member from the Evolutionary Level Above Human comes incarnate again to nurture towards an eventual chance to graduate their human condition to enter the Next physical Evolutionary Kingdom.

None of the space aliens have graduated. The fallen angels dropped out of a previous program before fully graduating though they did advance enough to have some service in the Next Level in elementary tasks as “watchers” (observers).

But back to the Phoenix lights:

So in the late fall Do got instructions to stop building the earthship though they told those in town, like I said, it was because of the upcoming winter. I’m not saying that didn’t have somthing to do with it, but as with all things associated with the Next Level there are all sorts of overviews but they don’t tell their servants on the ground incarnate more than they need to know as there is a strategy in it. They need strategy because the Luciferian space aliens have strategy as they try to second guess what the Next Level is going to do as they knew well who Ti and Do were and were seeking to steal away souls that were their students and also just resent how they have been restricted to the earth and a short distance into near space so want to do anything against them they can do.

The Next Level lets the lower forces do this against them because it provides all souls with the full free will to choose who to give allegience to, as Jesus said between the Kingdom of God and Mammon (all things that are wealth and treasure to humans). We build our strength of mind/spirit by rejecting human mammalian ways when we know there is something else to aspire to, which is why Older Members from the Next Level come incarnate to share with us in a way that’s direct to understand so not to be left with the archaic and distorted and diluted records (though the truth is still very apparant in all Jesus said, which is because the Next Level saw to it that record remained accurate enough to be used to help awaken future students to their reality and the overcoming process that Ti and Do equated to a metamorphosis).

They stayed in Scottsdale “until it started to get hot” and moved to Rancho Sante Fe from Paradise Valley, Arizona in the spring to summer of 1996.

So the strategy as I suspect was to give the Luciferians the idea they (Do and crew)  would be living and exiting from the Phoenix area and somehow blocking them from knowing when they moved to Rancho Sante Fe to exit.

But the Luciferians I suspect wanted to make their show to relate Ti and Do and crew to themselves, to the space aliens, especially for Christians to see as they had already begun to do though various sources like MUFON who had a staff member who specialized in UFO’s in religion and in the report of the Yellow Book Bob Lazar was shown where he read that the same ones who provided the 5 spacecrafts to the U.S. to back engineer their operation were the ones who also said, “we created Jesus” and said they had video footage of Jesus on the cross from that time period as proof. And I guess it’s possible they do have such footage.

That would indicate that there were some of the space aliens who did seek to commondeer who Jesus represented to turn people to themselves which is also a big part of what the Urantia Book also accomplished and then makes further sense out of the Paul of Tarsus contactee experience or at the least the idea for it, if Paul was directly working as like a double agent even unknowingly.

But the Next Level steers completly away from showing themselves to humans in such an obvious way as seven lights spread across the sky or as a triangular or wing shaped craft or as actually any of the sightings. The Next Level does things in ways humans see as “nature” – meteors, asteroids, fireballs, comets, signs in the sun, moon, stars, planets, signs in earthquakes, volcanos, storms, tornado’s, etc. weather events as then people still have no proof except the proof they get from a “deposit” that they must grow or lose that too.

After all Jesus said it would be the false christs (ians) and false speakers/teachers (prophets), that includes the space aliens directly an directly by teaching humans certain things that show “great signs and wonders” to even persuade those who are “called” (deposited with the soul container) to see the truth (which comes from the incarnate Two Witnesses who are the Father and the one called Jesus returned incarnate in the names Ti and Do.

In other words the Luciferians want to further muddy the water and this is also what is behind the “war in the heavens” – armageddon which is in progress and is a war for souls. Souls are literal deposits of the equivilent of a larva (seed, embyro) that has the potential to become a new child in the Next Level that can become an adult in the Next Level eventually.

I suspect Ti, knowing of the Luciferian plan afoot threw them a curve ball by appearing to locate in Scottsdale to exit. I suspect the Luciferians knew the exit was very near, maybe even expected it at spring solstice, passover time – the time the Israeli tribes exited from their bondage and the significance of comets.

Even if I am wrong about some of this, it’s occurred to me as I ask and dig to see more so may be accurate enough that it might help others come out of “spiritual” thinking a little more to see some of the potentials in strategy. We can think Lucifer is a myth – certainly one of the ploys he likes to spin in his web of lies along with the rest so perhaps this can be of value to someone.

That staging event doesn’t make sense to me otherwise as the Space Aliens have no reason to woo the general public though since saying that the idea popped into my head that this was staged to steal souls – an agenda they definitely have and what better time to do that but when the Next Level are drawing that huge attention. The Next Level may have blocked them from doing so at other times as if we can be wooed by the Luciferians as our choice then the Next Level gives us opportunities to be wooed though at the same time they give opportunity to ignore that wooing and keep our eyes on Them.

Here is the link that stimulated this but I am also aware that a movie is coming out in March about the Phoenix lights, perhaps with that new footage which will make it into another science fictional perspective for many.

http://www.starshipearththebigpicture.com/2016/02/03/air-force-aviator-leaks-dramatic-phoenix-lights-cockpit-footage/

Luciferians teach Hybridization; Genetic Engineering & Artificial Insemination

December 10, 2015

Among the many things I am accused of the latest is that I’ve formulated my own “doctrine” to start a new religion by, because I’ve written about the “Luciferian hybridization program” and the person who accused me of this, claiming to look to Ti and Do didn’t seem to know what Do and Crew said about the subject so I put some of what they said together:

from Do’s writing in 1995, UNDERCOVER “JESUS” SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE:

13. There are space aliens (humanoid remnants from other
civilizations) who travel in the nearby heavens. They are
dependent upon Earth’s atmosphere for harvesting hybrid
bodies to “wear” and they recruit the “souls” who fail to
become children in the Kingdom of God. We call them
Luciferians because of their lineage.

Here are a number of excerpts from Beyond Human – The Last Call – Session 3 where Do talks about Luciferian space alien hybrids and related subject matter:

In this excerpt Do speaks of the space aliens having hybrid bodies because they when they fell had a, “partially completed heavenly body”:

“The moment they were cast out,
they no longer had Heavenly bodies, they had what was left of a
partially completed heavenly body – a hybrid similar to what
would happen if a caterpillar were removed from the chrysalis
before it became a butterfly.”

Next here is where Do says some of the fallen angels still have gender:

“Okay, wow! there are some identifying features of those
vehicles that they wear, not all of them, but some of them. Some
of those vehicles they wear still have gender, still have age.”

Next here is where Do talks about how the space aliens once fallen “…can lose their capacity to reproduce”. Do chooses his words very carefully and doesn’t say things he doesn’t know and only occasionally speculates, so the fact that he said they “can lose their capacity to reproduce” certainly doesn’t close the door to their having some capacity to reproduce, but as I have also said about claiming the Luciferians were performing hybridization experiments, I included that it might be through “artificial insemination” as Do also talks about here:

Do says:

“Most of them will either appear to be male or female in some
quality. Even though they might be losing some of their
“maleness” or their “femaleness,” frequently not of their own
choice, but because when in outer space and you’re outside of the
vibration of a planet that has the kind of fertilizer and the
ingredients that are primary to this garden, to this planet, they
can lose their capacity to reproduce. Not that they would want
to, but in spite of their desires. So, they have to come and rob
vehicles. They have to do artificial insemination. They have to
do genetic experimentation.”

Excerpt from the “USA TODAY” Ad/Statement put in the national and international editions on May 27, 1993 that Do wrote after having created the Beyond Human video tape series called: “UFO CULT” RESURFACES WITH FINAL OFFER re: the space aliens using “hybridization” indicating these space aliens do this to “develop races” thus shows that the hybridized vehicles can reproduce to become the start of a race, which is in line with Genesis chapter 6 for the creation of the Nephilm : which is Hebrew for “giants, mighty, great” but because of their violence against humans became the reason the Lord (Ti) chose to plow them under in the Noah flooding and start over:

“These “Luciferian” space races are the humans’ GREATEST ENEMY.
They hold humans in unknown slavery only to fulfill their own needs.
They cannot “create,” though they develop races and biological
containers through genetic manipulation and hybridization. They even
try to “make deals” with human governments to permit them (the
Luciferians) to engage in biological experimentation (through
abductions) in exchange for technically advanced modes of travel –
though they seldom follow through, for they don’t want the humans of
this civilization to grow to be another element of competition. They
war among themselves over the spoils of this planet and use religion
and increased sexual behavior to keep humans “drugged” and ignorant
(in darkness) while thinking they are in God’s keeping. These
Luciferians see to it, through the “social norm” (the largest
Luciferian “cult” there is) that man continues to not avail himself of
the possibility of advancing beyond human. Many things have become
the accepted “norm,” but that doesn’t make them right!”

Here are two excerpts from an article Jwnody wrote entitled, “Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure. (Jwnody was a primary writer but all classmates were given the opportunity to try their hand at writing which is apparent in the inclusion of a number of others in their book). Note, how Jwnody talks about hybridization, defining it as “the crossbreeding of human plants (bodies) with those of their own [space alien] species. (my contextual inclusion in brackets).

Jwnody writes:

” Not only do the space aliens need new souls to increase their
ranks, they need replacement bodies as well. Their bodies are
temporal, subject to both death and decay. They come to this planet
to literally rape and plunder its creative resources – their continued
existence depends on it. As we said before, a creative garden is
specifically designed to have life-giving properties found nowhere
else in the nearby heavens. So they come here to acquire the
relatively young, virile human DNA which they use as part of a
hybridization process, to produce the bodies that they need (to
inhabit) to extend their own physical lives. Their homeworlds (the
limited parts of the nearby heavens that they can circulate in) are
out of range of these needed creative properties, thus causing genetic
deterioration – atrophy and weakness in their species.”

“Consequently, to ensure their own survival, they resort to all
extremes of genetic manipulation using humans for their raw material –
as “laboratory animals” – which includes this hybridization, that is,
the crossbreeding of human plants (bodies) with those of their own
species. Space-alien races have learned to take the properties (data
banks and conceptual processing abilities) residing in the genetic
structure (body) they currently occupy, and incorporate them into the
new hybrid body. Therefore, significant programming is put in place
and ready to activate as they take over the biologically engineered,
and individually customized “vehicle.” The accounts of human abductees
tend to verify this activity, as they reportedly describe the
extracting of human sperm, eggs, and even fetuses for this purpose.”

Jwnody reports again in her document, Religions Are Humans’ #1 Killers of Souls

Couriers from a higher biological Kingdom Level expose
catastrophic information in a desperate attempt to salvage
souls for the Kingdom of God.

Urgent Warning: The lawless, the criminals, the major corrupters of
the inhabitants of this world, from the Kingdom of God’s point of
view, are human-equivalent space aliens who have been deliberately
deceiving – victimizing – your most prominent religious leaders.
These technologically advanced alien species have succeeded in having
these leaders look to them as “Almighty God.” They also increasingly
exploit the biological resources of this planet. It seems that they
not only abduct unwilling victims in order to extract human DNA for
genetic hybridization, but they also deliberately engineer
“misinformation viruses” designed to contaminate human perception.”

We have to all be careful as the number one Souls the Luciferians wish to infect are those who become believers in Ti and Do. It seems one of their strategies is to have some who do believe in Ti and Do, believe in them in name and idea only or in some selective belief the same way we say the Luciferians do with Paul of Tarsus. Paul demonstrated competition with the disciples of Jesus. He sought to be seen as an “apostle” which was Jesus assigned task to specific individuals who he had prepped to perform the task. Paul received none of that preparation which is why a religion resulted from his dilutions and distortions as shown throughout his writings that became the real center stone of Christianity and the reason why it is so utterly corrupted and behind the very activity Jesus would be against. After I started to re-awaken (which is never assumed to be complete and always requires being on guard and making correction to maintain furthering) I could see how the songs I was writing at the time and some of the gigs I did talked about having “universal peace” which is not the Next Level program to promote because they want those they choose to be students to look to having their peacefulness, or course between one another and even towards our enemies but required us to “have salt” in ourselves as Jesus said:

Mar 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Mar 9:50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword ((sword of his mouth/words he describes further in reference to the required separation from our human roots. However, because of the response to this the literal sword is employed by those in league with the lower forces against these and in order to promote the Luciferian agenda and the competition among the space races)).
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mat 10:36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Speaking to how easy it can be to get off the straight and narrow…

Also from the same Beyond Human video tape, Do talks about how the fallen angels started to influence humans relative to the contactee reports from people like Adamski, etc. and came up with today’s space alien worship and/or seeing the Next Level as the “cosmic consciousness” and “universal mind” that we see promoted by New Age so called spiritual elite around the globe like the Raelians who then tie into a tiny few selected things Jesus said and the now distorted ideas from Gautama Buddha to form their facsimile of Next Level true information:

Do says:

“If you read the records supposedly of people
who’ve had encounters with space aliens, whether it’s Adamski’s
camp, or we could sit and talk about that kind of stuff for some
time, about so-called encounters of the third kind or the fourth
kind, where they got information from certain space aliens that
would say, “It isn’t exactly like you’re told in your Bible. We
do lose our bodies, but we live a lot longer than your bodies.
They might last several hundred years or they might have an
extension quite a bit longer than yours.” Therefore, the person
who’s hearing all that thinks that he’s listening to members of
the Kingdom of Heaven, that he’s coming to the reality of what
the Kingdom of Heaven really is, and he’s shocked by it. He
thinks, “Wow, all those religious ideas I had were off base,” not
realizing that the camp he’s talking to created those off-base
religious ideas, and even now is selling you, or selling that
individual who’s having that experience, on “I am from the
Kingdom of Heaven. We did create those religions on your planet.
We are trying to help you move up the ladder so that you could
serve in our kingdom, and help us in our pursuit of ‘universal
mind,’ ‘cosmic consciousness,’ becoming ‘gods’.” ”

 

“UFO CULT” RESURFACES WITH FINAL OFFER

February 11, 2015

Published by Do, (the return of the Older Member from the Evolutionary Level Above Human who was incarnate in the human vehicles named:  Jesus, Elijah, Moses and Enoch) in “USA TODAY” as an Ad/Statement on May 27, 1993:

“UFO CULT” RESURFACES WITH FINAL OFFER

The following statements could sound very presumptuous. However, these facts do come into focus or “prove” themselves if they are seriously explored a step at a time. They could also sound very “doomsdayish.” Though, in truth, they will be the most joyous “sound of music” to the ears and eyes of those who have been waiting for them.
The Earth’s present “civilization” is about to be recycled – “spaded under.” Its inhabitants are refusing to evolve. The “weeds” have taken over the garden and disturbed its usefulness beyond repair.

The human kingdom was created as a stepping stone between the animal kingdom and the true Kingdom of God (the Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human).

It is the soul that progresses from one kingdom level to another – each kingdom level has its own unique physical containers (bodies) for the souls that reside in that kingdom level.

As the human goes out to find servants within the animal kingdom, from beasts of burden to seeing-eye dogs – if that animal grows to find pleasure only in serving its master, no longer identifies as an animal, but sees itself as a family member in that human family, and its behavior is pleasing to that human – the two become bound together. The human family then provides the body (a human infant) for that soul to enter, allowing it to move up into the human evolutionary kingdom. (This is not to suggest that all human infants are containers for souls moving up from the animal kingdom, for most human infants are containers for human kingdom returnees still bound to that family unit.)

Likewise, when a member of the true Kingdom of God receives instruction to incarnate among humans in order to seek out the souls that might want to “separate from the pack” and are desirous of becoming only servants in the Evolutionary Level Above Human, He then offers them the knowledge and behavior that can open that door to them. If that human changes to the degree that he no longer desires any human behavior and he pleases that member of the Kingdom Level Above Human, a bond is formed and a body belonging to that new Kingdom is provided for that soul to move up into.

Both Kingdom Levels are physical and biological. However, the human kingdom is made up of mammalian – “seed-bearing” – plants or containers, while the Kingdom of God is made up of non-mammalian, non- seed-bearing “containers” for souls, and their young or “children” are those who have risen above – overcome – all human-mammalian characteristics and behavior through the tutorship (midwifing) of a member of the Kingdom of God who has been through that transition and bonded to His Father at a previous time.

Just as an animal sees his human tutor as the one and only “master,” likewise a human, as he becomes aware of a Member of the Kingdom Level Above Human, sees Him as the one and only “God.” However, the individual that that human related to as God sees Himself as a “child” in that higher, many-membered Kingdom and knows that only through His “Father” (an Older Member in that Kingdom) can He become a better member in that Kingdom.

A “student” or prospective “child” of a member of the true Kingdom of God can, with the help of an Older Member, overcome or rise out of all human mammalian behavior – sexuality and gender consciousness – and all other addictions and ties of the human kingdom. He must complete this change to the point of abhorring human behavior before his soul can become a “match” with a biological body of the true Kingdom of God for that new body is genderless and incapable of functioning at a human level.

The true Kingdom of God, the “Headquarters” of all that is, is a many-membered Kingdom which physically exists in the highest, most distant Heaven – a non-temporal place (outside of time, and with eternal life). It is the only place from which souls, life, and all creating originates. Being non-temporal, it was, is, and forever will be – a concept that we, as temporal creatures, are not designed to comprehend. That Kingdom designed the “temporal” world outside its “borders” and designed its temporal creatures to have a progression of bodies or “vehicles” (through kingdom levels, such as animal and human) for souls to evolve through. If the soul survives and moves forward through all its tests along the way – it can, with the help of a member of the true Kingdom of God, lose its temporal characteristics and become a part of their non-perishable, non-corruptible world. However, all other souls who reach a certain degree of corruption (having of their own free will chosen to become totally separate from their Creator) will engage a “self-destruct” mechanism at the Age’s end, manifested when opposing camps, be they human or “Luciferian,” come together and destroy each other – thus assisting in the plowing under of the “garden” for the Creator.

The reason the term “TRUE” Kingdom of God is used repeatedly is because there are many space alien races that through the centuries of this civilization (and in civilizations prior) have represented themselves to humans as “Gods.” We refer to them collectively as “Luciferians,” for their ancestors fell away from the keeping of the true Kingdom of God many thousands of years ago. They are not genderless they still need to reproduce. They are nothing more than technically advanced humans who have retained some of what they learned while in the early training of members of the true Kingdom of God, e.g., limited space-time travel, telepathic communication, advanced travel hardware (spacecrafts, etc.), increased longevity, advanced genetic engineering, and such things as suspended holograms (as used in some religious “miracles”).

These “Luciferian” space races are the humans’ GREATEST ENEMY. They hold humans in unknown slavery only to fulfill their own needs. They cannot “create,” though they develop races and biological containers through genetic manipulation and hybridization. They even try to “make deals” with human governments to permit them (the Luciferians) to engage in biological experimentation (through abductions) in exchange for technically advanced modes of travel – though they seldom follow through, for they don’t want the humans of this civilization to grow to be another element of competition. They war among themselves over the spoils of this planet and use religion and increased sexual behavior to keep humans “drugged” and ignorant (in darkness) while thinking they are in God’s keeping. These Luciferians see to it, through the “social norm” (the largest Luciferian “cult” there is) that man continues to not avail himself of the possibility of advancing beyond human. Many things have become the accepted “norm,” but that doesn’t make them right!

Just as the biological body is the “container” for the soul, the soul is the “container” for Mind (Spirit). Mind translates into the brain as information (knowledge). Information is available to humans from only two sources – the mind of the Luciferians – or the Mind of the Kingdom of God. The mind of the Luciferians yields misinformation (promoting the behavior and concepts of this world). The Mind from the true Kingdom of God yields true information (though the Luciferians and their servants would reverse this interpretation). As we change, in the progression of overcoming humanness – the percentages change – of which mind occupies our soul – Truth increases as misinformation decreases. If we revert back to humanness, the process reverses – the Truth is aborted as the soul becomes more filled with mammalian mind. That Truth can even be taken from us if we abuse it. When our “eye becomes single” or our soul is filled only with Mind or Spirit from the true Kingdom of God, it becomes pure or Holy Mind (Spirit).

The true Kingdom of God’s design permits the presence of a “Luciferian” element, during a human civilization, as a catalyst for growth. Without it, we would have no choices – our free will could not be exercised. Our right choices find us in alignment to recognize the Truth when it is offered.

Two thousand years ago, the true Kingdom of God appointed an Older Member to send His “Son,” along with some of their beginning students, to incarnate on this garden. While on Earth as an “away team” with their “Captain,” they were to work on their overcoming of humanness and tell the civilization they were visiting how the true Kingdom of God can be entered. The humans under the control of the Luciferians killed the “Captain” and his crew, because of the “blasphemous” posi- tion they held, and quickly turned the teachings of the “Captain” – the Older Member’s “Son” – into watered down Country Club religion – obscuring the remnants of the Truth.

That same “away team” incarnated again in the 1970’s in the mature (adult) bodies that had been picked and prepped for this current mission. This time the “Admiral” (the Older Member, or Father, incarnate in a female vehicle) came with the Son – “Captain” – and his crew. As the two Older Members put out a “statement” and held public meetings over about a 9-month period in 1975-76 to bring their crew together, the media tagged them the “UFO cult” because of their expectation of leaving aboard a spacecraft (UFO) at the completion of their “overcoming.” The two Older Members then went into seclusion with their crew (students), “lifting them out” of the world for almost 17 years (not accepting any new students), making Earth’s surface their classroom. This isolation was absolutely necessary. The degree of their overcoming of sexuality, addictions, and ties to the human environment had to be taken to the point of matching the behavior and consciousness of the Evolutionary Kingdom Above Human. Only then would their new “Next Level” bodies be functional. They resurfaced briefly for about a 3-1/2-month period in 1992, allowing some of their “dropouts” to rejoin them.

This changeover (sufficient “overcoming” to inherit Next Level bodies) has been completed, and before they return, they are instructed to share this statement with you.

The Luciferians are about to be “recycled” (annihilated) at the same time as this human civilization is “spaded.” They know that “rumor has it” that their days are numbered. They refuse to believe it and are desperate to recruit souls from the human kingdom into their “Heavenly Kingdom.” There are many “counterfeit” heavens, and each “heaven” is at this time collecting “names in their book,” forcing a stand of allegiance, polarizing each individual’s commitment to his chosen “God.”

When members of the Level Above Human are physically present, the opposing forces work the hardest against them in order to support their own position. They do almost anything to keep humans from following the path toward the true Kingdom of God. They “turn up the heat” at this time in the area of mammalian behavior, primarily sexuality. This has become such an overwhelming presence in the Earth’s atmosphere that even some of the crew that came with us were lost to its temptation. Don’t forget that when the Luciferians were expelled, in order to support their own desires, they had to condemn the true Kingdom of God and see it simply as another path inhumane and radically uncompromising.

The religious “cults” who have separated from the world have “picked up on” one major aspect of what is “in the air” at this time when the information of how to move from one kingdom level to another is available. What they may have failed to recognize is that experienced “clinicians” are necessary to take souls through that “weaning” – that difficult “withdrawal” from human addictions and binding “misinformation” concepts. If it weren’t necessary to have clinicians present who have previously been taken through that transition, we wouldn’t need to be here. Some religious “cults” might have children, participate in physical or mental abuse, hold members against their will, have weapons, or break laws in general – while we have long been aware that that type of behavior is inappropriate, especially for a transitional “classroom.”

When the present “away team” leaves (which will be very soon), the Truth will go with them. You cannot preserve the Truth in your religions. It is with you only as long as a Truth bearer is with you. Only those from the Land of Truth can bear it. It can only be your future if you “reach out and grab it” while it is offered. The Truth can be retained only as one is physically connected with the Next Level, through an Older Member, and that relationship requires that non-mammalian thinking and behavior be sustained.

Humans were, from the beginning, given a “prime directive” NOT TO KILL OTHER HUMANS. “In defense” or for “rightness” are no exceptions. Righteousness is what most frequently causes conflict. “I’m right, you’re wrong.” “You’re causing me trouble, I’ll wipe you out” (in the best interest of all, of course). The world’s systems continue to make laws permitting the breakage of higher laws – God’s laws. Weapons designed for killing humans are inexcusable. There are numerous methods of controlling a violent person without the necessity of murder. The irony is, each killer sends its victims to exactly where they want to go (to their chosen heaven). Humans fight for their desires – what they choose to not overcome – what they cling to. Our desires and attachments (or lack of them) determine which heaven we’re going to.

A soul cannot end its own existence. Though it may incarnate many times and the body or vehicle it is wearing may be terminated, only the true Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above Human – can terminate the soul. This termination of the soul is the only proper application of the term DEATH.

When a soul “awakens” in a particular “season” or incarnation (usually sometime between college age and mid-life), it is picking up where it left off at the end of its previous incarnation. What an individual participates in prior to that “awakening” is of no real significance. If a soul had previously overcome such human characteristics as family ties and relationships, at his “awakening” he is seen by those around him as suddenly becoming unstable, for he is compelled to once again separate from those imposing ties and seek to connect with what he had previously sought or connected with. What he primarily learns is what is not for him as he seeks for the Highest Truth or Reality.

The media seems devoted to “saving” the public from radical ideologies or “cults,” particularly of seeming “religious” types. Also a news “scoop” requires haste. These two elements together predetermine that they search for any and all negative quotes that will discredit the groups’ leaders and the groups’ behavior. The fact still remains that negative reporting far outsells positive reporting and after all, positive reporting of radical material can end or ruin a reporter’s career. Well, it won’t be hard to discredit this group from its leaders down, for prior to and during their “awakening” and subsequent coming together, they all made many mistakes and learned from them. Plus – you don’t give up the ways of the world without the condemnation of those who still advocate what you have overcome.

When we came before (2000 years ago) the world “cleansed” or “saved” their world from our “blasphemy” and merely got us our boarding passes back to the true Kingdom of God on the true “Enterprise” (spaceship or “cloud of light”). If you seek to cleanse the world of our “blasphemy” this time, you would simply be the instrument of our “days being shortened” while destroying your “last chance” in this civilization to advance.

Now at the close of an Age – every significant soul of this civilization has returned (and is in or attached to a physical body) to reap their reward. Most who think they are for the Kingdom of God are in fact working for the opposing side – the counterfeit “Gods” – and will want to condemn us. Your actions, even your thoughts of condemnation toward us, out of allegiance to your “God,” will cause our part of the Heavens to look upon your “god” with the same rejection.

Many say they live only for the “Harvest Time” – the “Last Days” – the “Second Coming.” Those are all finally here! – Will you accept us as them? You cannot bypass us even in your prayers – you cannot insult your Creator by refusing to go through the ones He has sent to you. There are souls here now for the express purpose of connecting – and eventually bonding – with the Next Level through us. Those souls will be protected – out of harm’s way – and “saved” from the approaching sorting out, recycling, and “spading under” of the Luciferians and their human servants. If you can get your name in our “book,” on our spacecraft’s computer (and only there), making your actions reflect that desire then you will go with us.

SUMMARY: Our surfacing is in reality a test of the public’s “civility.” Can a society that is still dealing with bigotry and prejudices against races, religions, and sexual preference extend the right of existence to some who see humanity as a stepping stone toward the Kingdom of God, and desire to take that step and briefly offer it to others? Or is Earth’s present civilization still as primitive as it was 2000 years ago? We’ll see!

CAUTION: If the above information is consumed or assimilated, you may experience such side effects as loss of marriage, family, friends, career, respectability, and credibility. Continued use could even result in the loss of your membership in the human kingdom.

What Ti and Do’s ‘BEYOND HUMAN’ means. Defining Gods Jealousy and wrath

March 26, 2014

Ti and Do didn’t really teach right and wrong in terms about this or that belief. They simply said in so many words, if you want to go to the Next Level, to be on their team, work on a crew, the rules are thus and so. They didn’t debate. However they are very clear that there is opposition to them, who manipulate information to both make them out to be something they are not – evil, manipulative, dictatorial, jealous wrathful gods looking to control humans and then to the other extreme of no one required to do anything to be like them, the entire “Jesus did it for us”, syndrome, so we don’t have to also do what he did, which is also prevalent thought among many Christians, various new age religious/spiritual groups and new agers as well – God loves all of us and all of us will be ushered into heaven on earth if we “let it be”, don’t try to make it happen, or meditate enough on peace and love, the Lennon syndrome. (don’t get me wrong, I like peace and love, or better said, Kindness/gentleness/compassion and giving, but these are behavioral characteristics taught by the Next Level, but not so much the development of a mind muscle that can stick to a program that prepares one to be trusted to work for the Next Level without getting in the way of aspects of “garden” experiments of growing souls to choose to also gravitate to such a program in a stepwise fashion. The Next Level provides the “astronaut training” like program which has been equated to a “war” because the lower forces who were once in such a program chose to renegade from the program and those administering it, so the Next Level Older members decided to subject other students at the station of the renegades to the renegades in which they could then decide for themselves who to give themselves to.

Now Ti and Do, do teach right and wrong when it comes to what is real and what is not, what information is truthful and what is lies and misinformation, so in that way they are absolute because they know all about the planets and garden plots they design and they know all about the creatures they grow on those planets that they designed, so to deny so would be lying to portray that they don’t know because some take offense when someone says they know. If our reality was created, using evolutionary processes and big bangs galore with built in adaptations galore and recycling so current creatures only have clues to past experiments on Earth and/or other planets, etc., then someone has to KNOW the truth about it all. If on the other hand, it’s all come about by random response to stimuli with no plausible explanation for a beginning of at least our little corner of the solar system, which to me is total science fiction and about as ignorant a belief as driving a car to a tribe in some jungle where they never saw a car, if that is possible anymore, and telling them the car evolved by itself over millions of years to be a car. Because of how far fetched that is, though to even some so called intelligent humans, they don’t see the correlation or better yet don’t want to see it, or perhaps don’t have any living seed in them any longer to see it – the seed they once had that all living creatures have a degree of atrophied from lack of usage so now it’s no longer capable of functioning, which renders that creature by their own choice unable to change and thus evolve beyond what they have become regardless of how much data they can display that makes them look smart to other humans.

re: “levels beyond human” – since those are terms when put together were designed by Ti and Do, though they spoke of them as evolutionary and physical, two huge descriptors that set their thinking a part from all others, though all others have smatterings of that thinking, no being can be “beyond human” unless they are taught what beyond human is and that can’t be taught by a human, though it appears to be because it comes through humans by The Older Members coming in such a way that humans can not detect them, as “spirits”. And because of that it was thought that Spirits are the entities that are “beyond human” so it must be a spiritual environment. However, this is misinformation and where that is evident is in the information that became available beyond the theoretical or philosophical or spiritual or mystical the demonstrated the differences of what constitutes “human” and what doesn’t and that took place with the so called “ufo crashes” that occurred in the 1940’s and 1950’s that had physical bodies in them that were in tact enough that they could be autopsied and proved that beings existed in these flying saucers that were not human because they didn’t have human organs common to every, not only human but every animal. A few of the bodies had no reproductive nor digestive systems and a few others had atrophied reproductive systems and had a different type of “flesh” as well.

When one takes that information believe it or not and then examines the core of what Jesus taught – that one to be his disciple needed to “leave all behind” of their human life to be with that “teacher” more or less 24/7 and that they were no longer going to be thinking of themselves as having a human family as Jesus demonstrated denying his mother brothers were his family, saying that fellow believers were his family, which included leaving behind children (not abandoning them, but seeing to it that they had someone who would love them and raise them), but that they could not join because they would not have engaged in human behaviors enough if at all, depending on their age and experience to choose to deny themselves those forms of human sensuality – sensory stimulus that the Older Members would begin to wean them from needing and wanting, IF THESE DISCIPLES CHOSE TO STAY IN THE OFFERED PROGRAM. Plus, one would be willing to even sacrifice their human vehicle, another totally inhumane thing to do, but not as some ritual and certainly not imposed on anyone else nor pressured into doing so, but simply recognizing how one will have to “overcome/conquer, prevail against” all their otherwise normal human behaviors and ways, to pass through the birth canal into membership in the Next evolutionary level, but only by instigating each step according to the way the incarnate Older Member provided, not using their own mind to do so, which is another way the charlatans stimulate that become sects of different religious groups. Some of this is evidenced by Jesus saying, one could choose to make themselves a eunuch for the kingdom of God/Heaven’s sake or even loose a hand or eye IF, IF, IF they found that by keeping that hand or eye they might miss their goal of becoming a member of the Next Level, because they couldn’t otherwise keep themselves from behaviors and ways that were not overcoming their humanness. Jesus didn’t tell anyone to do any of these things but nor did he omit them as options because the entire idea of “flesh sacrifice” that hearing those words sends shutters through humans who have not grasped the full breath of what the Next Level really is, is a big part of what overcoming humanness is.

Now talking about evolution the way Ti and Do meant it had nothing to do with Darwin’s theories and had everything to do with showing that the Next Level was just as real a mental and biological environment of life forms as human, animal, plant and mineral kingdoms are. Next Level members have physical bodies they wear on a regular basis according to the tasks they have.

Another characteristic of an Evolutionary Level Above Human Member is that they don’t die even though their physical bodies can die, but nor do their physical bodies decay and die on their own. (as far as I know), though members can aspire to regular upgrades in physical bodies that have more and more function. For instance one physical body Ti and Do spoke about could even be a spacecraft. Just like we, our mind was being taught to pilot our human physical vehicles, a Next Level member could choose to be in the department of transportation so to speak and whatever other tasks could go with that as it would hardly be just a taxi service, so that they, their MInd would have that kind of vehicle that would not be a humanoid looking one for example.

But Next Level members also choose tasks when offered that entail the sacrifice of their living suit of clothing (physical vehicle) which took place when they decided to come undercover to perform the task of overcoming humanness again to show a student body how which again was what took place in some of the southwest U.S. UFO crashes, such as near Roswell, Aztec, New Mexico, Laredo, Aurora, Texas and maybe a few other locations.

Beyond human isn’t the spirit world as when a human or human equivalent space alien dies as they all do, their programming, the content of their mind, their spirit that still exists outside the flesh is still human in every way and seeks to play out their humanness by the only means they have, by influencing living humans to do their bidding. That bidding can be teaching others or being a chef or a drug addict if that’s what got them off most during life. These spirits don’t live forever and they have just as many limits as they had while a part of a physical vehicle. If they were taught they could astral travel, then they have more facility to travel around in their limited spirit world. That spirit world might extend a certain distance into what humans would consider near space even to some different planets but certainly not beyond that, if that far, as Ti and Do didn’t say that I ever heard. But even the spirit world will be dissolved in the near future according to Ti and Do and Jesus and other prophesy in various cultures.

Then there are characteristics of the human evolutionary level that are apparent in the animal evolutionary level; predators, competitions, jealousies, vengeance, manipulations, deceits and judgementalism based on another’s color, gender, shape, health, ethnicity, intelligence, philosophy/religion, social behaviors, likes and dislikes, all of which are part of the “Overcoming process” to outgrow to qualify to be a member of the Level Above Human, again not by our design but as layed out in a stepwise way by those who are from that Level Above Human. Whether someone is represented by having a human vehicle or is a spirit time sharing one or more human vehicles, whether on a spacecraft from a different planet or from Earth and/or from a previous civilization is no different to the Next Evolutionary Level Above Human Older Members. They don’t have any of these characteristics.

What was called God’s jealously was true but not in the emotional and competitive connotations of the word. Next Level Members don’t covet what others have and have no vested interest in anyone looking to them or joining their program or supporting their mindset because they don’t need any new members though know there will be some as their having set up these “garden experiments” many times previous, like human gardeners know there will be yield. But they actually set the limits of the yield as they are not harvesting for consumption as humans do for their gardens. They actually put together crews in various departments which requires planning to do as more isn’t better. The reason it was spoken about as jealously was because the goal of the program for those who were enlisted and elected to engage it had the overall qualifications as stated by Jehovah through Moses implementation of “giving to the Lord all one’s heart (body/emotions), mind (spirit/thoughts), soul (aspirations to enlightenment) and strength (efforts). This was laid out before that genetic strain they designed and developed til then knew much about it’s application because the Next Level Older Members don’t manipulate. They do strategize how much stimulus to provide and when according to the responses. That’s what largely makes it an experiment. And the make the rules stringent, while the Older Member incarnate decides exceptions with his consultations with his Older Member which is also their learning experience that will enable their further function for their Older Member.

The entire reason any humans have any of the characteristics of the Next Level Older Members is because They delivered them by their example. They even use all those in the human kingdom, Luciferian space aliens as well, as assets in their experiment to provide some of the positive characteristics of peace and love, kindness, gentleness, that even some dropouts may still embrace, though probably do so in the way humans on Earth at times do, that is the ones with the power, according to how it works for their agenda and to their own which also separates the Next Level program from all others. Next Level students also will treat those that make themselves their enemies with the same respectful, kind and understanding ways they treat all beings evidenced by Jesus saying to his Father so his disciples could hear an example of how he spoke to his Older Member who was not incarnate, “Father forgive them for they know not what they do”. There is no benefit to a human holding that thinking unless they still have Active Next Level Mind in their soul body or spirit or it’s left over from what they received through their genetic tree that originated from the Next Level Older Members and had not become totally tainted and/or distorted into superficial religious or spiritual regimen. I am not knocking religious or spiritual regimen. Ti and Do explained how all things in the human condition can be what leads a human to the “top of the mountain” of the human kingdom, but that when the time arrives to have the chance to get off the human mountain have to be discarded and replaced by the teachings from the currently incarnate Older Members IF THEY CHOOSE TO PROGRESS BEYOND HUMAN.

We also see that the Next Level Older Members can act in a way that is depicted as anger. They do that at times to help students, those who have asked to be in their service/overcoming program as we need that motivation to make changes. We can be willing but there’s that old expression, the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Really, that could be more accurate that the spirit is willing but is not strong enough to override the desires of the flesh body we occupy. It’s what humans call “tough love” and of course at times in the human kingdom does show value and other times like everything else is used and abused.

However, with that said, if the Next Level Older Members determine that THEIR garden experiment is in part or entirely non-productive, as with any human organization, they will take appropriate measures. Of course the Next Level don’t have the often hidden agenda’s and profit motivations humans have, except in how the Next Level wants to give those that they see as upcoming the best chance they can give to graduate Their human overcoming school, so will accelerate the life span of those they deem weeds because of how they seek to interfere with their upcoming fruit harvest in a way that’s not an advantage to use. They do use others but not like humans do. They use others by allowing them the opportunity to do what they want to do. If what they want to do is war with others, then the Next Level, if they determine it’s not in their interest to prevent, will allow them to wage war. The Next Level Older Members always provide outs for those in war zones who ask for their help to get out of harms way and they can always save the spirit or soul of a human who doesn’t get out of harms way but shows promise towards a potential future garden overcoming classroom participation. The human vehicles were all designed to die after a certain amount of time and that varies and doesn’t look fair to some but the vehicles are not what the Next Level harvests. However the vehicles are absolutely needed for the overcoming program, providing the participant soul/spirit with what they need to overcome as all humans have as part of their nature.

 

FACT: Jesus and Ti and Do required FOLLOWERS to SEPARATE from their families, possessions and lives including Children

March 5, 2014

FACT: Jesus and Ti and Do required FOLLOWERS to SEPARATE from their families, possessions and lives including Children

QUALIFICATION:

THIS IS NOT APPLICABLE TO EVERYONE IN THE HUMAN KINGDOM AT THE SAME TIME. DO SAID THAT IT WOULD “DEPLETE THE HUMAN KINGDOM” FOR EVERYONE TO APPLY THIS FORMULA AT THE SAME TIME AND THAT WOULD DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF THE HUMAN KINGDOM. DO SAID “THE HUMAN KINGDOM IS A STEPPING STONE” TO THE NEXT LEVEL ABOVE HUMAN MEMBERSHIP. However the FORMULA is all important for humans to understand. That formula details SEPARATION FROM ONES HUMAN FAMILY AND LIFE in order to BOND WITH ONES OLDER MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILY. That formula is introduced and implemented in stages to the human kingdom by Older Members coming “in the flesh”, looking just like us to have the most real interface and to be congruent to the thinking and culture, behaviors and ways when they come in order to foster the most effective upgrades in those behaviors and ways that each time focuses on a small student body that then trickles down to the entire global population each time after they leave the flesh body they take for their task.

INTRODUCTION:

Since I often receive the question and often a certain amount of condemnation of those who leave all behind, to at time include children, it’s important to understand the context, though it always remains our choice what to accept and what to reject. The Level Above Human wants us all to have the choice of what to believe. That is also part of the grade level sorting process. We sort ourselves into grades in school and can even sort ourselves out of the school entirely by going against the Older Member’s teachings (The Truth – what is REAL and accurate about the Level Above Human and Their Older Members).

Thus here is my responses to the latest question about “leaving children behind”. This is NOT a casual choice nor an escapist choice to make though the Luciferian fallen angel space alien discarnate “evil spirits” will try to make it sound like one is escaping their responsibility and of course some humans will use this concept as an excuse to abandon children which is all a part of the free will creation by the Next Level Older Members which is not unlike the animal kingdom that humans are given the chance to outgrow as this is not religious or spiritual devotion. The formula of leaving all behind and overcoming all human behavior and ways is strictly about entering the program of conscious “evolutionary” (non-Darwinian) growth into the Evolutionary Level Above Human:

Sawyer’s response:

It’s not against God’s will, when a representative is physically present and gives you the opportunity to “follow them” literally 24/7 to separate from one’s human family, friends, lifestyle, career, possessions, home, debts, pleasures, interests, opinions, etc. and that includes children.

Mar 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,
Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

So how does one receive an “hundredfold now”. It’s because by detaching from one’s human family, behavior and ways and re-attaching to one’s incarnate Older Member from the Level Above Human they then have all fellow believers as their family which includes everything and every one of that new family. This next set of verses further demonstrates this thinking:

Mat 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mar 3:31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
Mar 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
Mar 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
Mar 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

To broaden this perspective Jesus talks about what will actually take place among one’s human family which is exactly what took place against those who left all behind. Humans do not have to respond this way. It’s because of all the seeding of thoughts by the enemy that has so many humans misunderstanding Jesus and not knowing that there is a real “process” to becoming a member of the Evolutionary (non-Darwinian) Level Above Human:

Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mat 10:36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.
Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

Now with all this documentation, the Next Level still wants each human to have the choice to embrace this thinking or not. By embrace it’s not meant that everyone is expected to leave all behind. As said, it’s all in stages, but their choice becomes whether to become an enemy of the process and those who engage it, or to at least support their loved one’s choice that then keeps them in the running to have their souls saved for their appropriate opportunity to engage in such a program the next time an Older Member incarnates to take some through their “birth canal” of birth into Their real family. For this reason of providing choice, the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens are allowed periodically to influence humans:

Just like there are humans who do degrees of this separation all the time, as well as kill one another and steal from one another, even with sanction of governments and authorities, religious or academic, when the ONE REAL REPRESENTATIVE(S) COME most will lump them in with and therefore justify their condemnation as if they were equivalent to them all.

At the same time the Luciferians, knowing this is the plan because of their own experience of separating when they first committed (to some degree, however shallow or temporary) to the Next Level Older Member incarnate when they were given the opportunity to follow with that Older Member, leaving their “human world” behind, intentionally foster/influence certain humans who can generate a following to draw some who may have also been in line to respond to the ONE ONLY TRUE REPRESENTATIVE(S), but they are never consistent with the modus operandi of the Next Level as recorded in history (four gospel stories and related “lost books” and Moses and Enoch’s writings and many of the ones called Old Testament Prophets).

Here are some statements that clearly delineate the differences between Ti and Do’s instructions, behavior and ways and all other so-called teachers and their associated groups that I am aware of. I would not be surprised to find some “teaches” and groups that have some of these characteristics but I am confident NONE have all of these characteristics and if they have some, it’s a distorted version of it.

For instance no other teachers disallowed children from joining with their parents as Jesus instructed for his disciples.

– No other teachers disallowed the continuation of relationships among those who joined that were married or committed to one another as Jesus indicated was necessary.

– No other teachers disallowed some from joining and Few if any sent some who joined out of the group, saying they weren’t ready. Few if any instructed that every member would be expected to “give their lives”, to include their “will” to them, the leaders, in Heaven’s Gate group were named Ti and Do.

– No other teachers can stand up to a full scrutiny of what they taught to show how they were fully consistent with ALL Jesus taught.

– No other teachers used new terminology that was “plainer” and yet “bolder” and more in line with the times and growing understanding of the populace that was more “generic” and thus non-religious, non-spiritualized and yet revealed a more accurate and realistic explanation of what could be referenced to what Jesus and Moses intended by their sayings/writings, provided people are willing to dig into the most accurate meanings as the original translators often overlooked or couldn’t see because they were not yet equip to see.

Such words as:

SOUL which they re-defined with more detail as a pocket or container that is literally deposited into a recipient that provides them with an interface that the Next Level used to “track” a recipient and also provides the recipient with a real sense of having a connection, being watched by something larger than themselves. And a number of other terms.

SPIRIT as equivalent to MIND, actually a general descriptor of INFORMATION thus WORDS, COMMUNICATIONS, INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE BEHAVIOR AND WAYS OF MEMBERS OF THE NEXT LEVEL. When it does refer to the Next Level members it is pure relative to any human and is thus HOLY SPIRIT/MIND that is delivered to humans, if not by incarnate Older Members and their student body with them by an invisible to human, thus “cloaked” physical being (as all Next Level Members wear Physical “clothing”, how they think of their physical body) and spoken/written as a HOLY GHOST and/or guardian angel (however, the Next Level can also help humans by sending them a human “spirit”, the output of a human body when it dies, also a structure but not with the physical density of a Soul. In this way the Next Level uses all beings and entities (spirits) according to what each has become, to help in some way the humans that are asking for help. Of course most spirits don’t have any interest in serving the Next Level or in the terms of Kingdom of God/Heaven and some are against the Kingdom of God/Heaven and will answer to people’s prayers to God or in the name of Jesus or Allah or Krishna, or Buddha, or Maitreya and those humans asking in those names may or may not get a response from the ONE TRUE KINGDOM OF GOD/HEAVEN as it depends on what they are asking for and whether it’s sincere and whether the Next Level deems that human a potential candidate (because of their choices or lack of choices) for Next Level membership at some future date or not.

THE EVOLUTIONARY LEVEL ABOVE HUMAN – what Ti and Do called the Kingdom of God/Heaven introducing the fact that it’s evolutionary, NOT in the Darwinian sense that has little accuracy but in the real way the entire creation, but relative to Earth is constructed in Levels or what was referred to in the Old and New Testament’s as a “gulf” or “chasm” of difference between, for instance the Human Evolutionary Kingdom. Then stepping down from human is the animal, then plant and then mineral kingdoms. (all are kingdoms because all have their forms of hierarchical balance within the kingdom, so that some dominate others. In the Evolutionary Level Above Human there is no domination in the same in the way they design all the other kingdom levels for temporary life. All the creatures and component life forms all have a limited life span, even without predators. And this Next Level, the short form that Ti and Do coined put limitations on what humans and human equivalent space aliens can do and the timing of when they will allow a civilization to flourish in certain ways. And They also design the qualifications to meet to become a member of their “everlasting” kingdom, not allowing anyone in that can not prove they are filled with Their Mind, so there won’t be any more Luciferians, though if there are, they will increase the standards to get in and will incorporate any renegade mentality into their “school” curriculum, so upcoming members become subject to and challenged to outgrow their human characteristics by being subject to the influence of those who previously dropped out of such a program and went against the Next Level Older Members.

VEHICLE – term used by Ti and Do to describe the human flesh body as an instrument for the Soul/Mind to take over and pilot, not letting that living body that has its own genetic mind to do what it wanted to do unless it was within the program presented by the incarnate Older Members. This was related to how Jesus referred to his body as his “temple”. It is also referred to as one’s “house” and as clothing the Soul is trying to make clean or pure (white).

– No other Teaches compared with how Ti and Do presented themselves. All other leaders of “cults” contained charismatic figures, some of whom would rant and rave and prance about on stage, even weeping and shouting, with all sorts of drama, and/or would adorn themselves in paraphernalia, wearing “holy” looking garb – long robes all against what Jesus taught, and/or they all had their forms of praying or meditating in groups and out loud  (as Jesus taught against – though he did a little of for the sake of teaching, but once was taught which is in the Jesus record Jesus says it’s like showing others we are being holy, which is not from He and His Fathers mind to do, so has no value to continue, but in these groups is carried on continuously), and/or use of repetitious prayers that become “vain repetitions” according to Jesus, in their loss of meaning, as we see in exponentially grown in all religions.

– No other teachers remained with their student body unattached to one location on the Earth. In other words most all establish a base location and expand from there, to which they generate followers on a regular basis and set up a donation system and continuous outreach whereby Ti and Do had their students do about a year of offering the opportunity to follow them, seen as recruiting and then NO such “recruiting” for SEVENTEEN YEARS and then a second on and off campaign that started through the media alone in late 1992 and ended after 9 months of face to face with the public meetings around the U.S. ending in September of 1994.

– No other teachers present and require each student to press/push to change, in as thorough an “overcoming of all human behavior and ways”, a “washing of one’s robe”, the ultimate meaning of “Baptism” and do so in as gentle and caring and consistent but tolerant way, though shooting and providing the tools to shoot for the highest standards and expecting the best from students to facilitate their doing their best. This included two main categories of human behavior and ways to overcome:

– SEXUALITY – A ban on all sexual related thoughts, words and actions. Few if any taught why this was necessary – because such mammalian behaviors were non-existent among members of the Next Level so had to be eliminated from our MIND in order to have a “healthy mind” that upon birth would be “viable” and not a Mind that might later abort the way the Luciferian fallen angels did.

  1. – EGO/SELF is another major aspect to overcome as members of the Next Level are of a “crew mindset” verses seeking individuality. However, humans only think they are individuals not knowing that they are a composite of all the “discarnate influences” they have drawn to themselves and/or accepted from birth that become their little personal unseen entourage that they then take credit for all the ways they received help from. Members of the Next Level have NO such influences. They have bonded with ONE and ONE only, their Older Member who they receive as a lifeline continuous growth and joy from working for and they do this having 100% comradery with all the other crew members in their same family and it is totally satisfying and each member develops their specialties of service that have unlimited potential to be added to and exercised to assist with all the “garden” “soul” growing experiments.

– Deceit (guile) Hiding human behaviors in thought, word and/or deed from one’s Older Members. This became a ritual in the Catholic church called “confession” and is a complete distortion and disservice to upcoming students to believe in and act out. By confessing to a “priest”, one who may or may not have a genuine connection to their Heavenly Father, the parishioner is separating themselves from their own personal relationship with God and it removes the ramifications of one’s actions as the so-called “father” who Jesus said shouldn’t be calling themselves by that name then assigns the penance to say some stock prayer. Certainly some of the priests tell the individual they need to apologize to whoever they offend or hurt or trip up or whatever it is they did that they believed was a sin. But all this really needs to be communicated by each person directly to their Heavenly Father. It even says so in the prayer format Jesus described, as “forgive us our trespasses” but it’s not a blanket asking for forgiveness that students should be shooting for.

– All other teachers who received comparable public attention, besides Ti and Do were often the subject of many examples of breaking or twisting many of the Next Level’s previous instructions (10+ commandments, etc.); murders (Jim Jones ordered murders and forced and manipulated suicides of men, women and children. Government and military leaders that claim to be Christian based in conquering and sewing seeds of unrest and the rape/pillage of others resources (oil, etc.), claiming their God is greater than any others), Solar Temple, etc. with remote references to serving outer space beings to appear the same as Ti and Do), thievery, worship of wealth(idols), accumulating massive money’s and influences (Pope/Vatican, religious sects all over the world), sexual misbehavior (Catholic Bishops/Priests, underage wives, harems, (David Koresh’s Branch Davidians, Latter Day Saints), mistresses, prostitution’s, (Jimmy Swaggart, etc.), teaching the accumulation of wealth as God approved (Trinity Broadcasting Association (TBA), Kenneth Copeland, etc.), abusive to members of their congregations (Jim Jones and many others), Amassing empires (Sun Yung Moon’s Unification Church, insinuating he was Jesus but not demonstrating any of Jesus ways), saying they are the Christ or Maitreya (Rael of Raelians whose aliens say they are the Elohim in Genesis but say they don’t create planets when the Elohim in Genesis create planets too, and many other characteristics, saying some of the aliens names are Lucifer and Satan, etc.), Christians all over who say they are “born again” ignoring what Jesus clearly meant, ignoring that to be “BORN OF SPRIRT”, not a mind game, one MUST OVERCOME THEIR HUMAN WORLD WHICH MEANS CUTTING THEMSELVES OFF FROM ALL THEIR HUMAN FAMILY AND BEHAVIOR AND WAYS, to shift all their energy to their incarnate Heavenly Father’s behavior and ways, denying and ignoring and making false claims against Ti and Do’s massive evidence that they fulfilled most of the applicable return prophecies in many ways, with the remainder on our doorstep to fulfill.

– No one could figure out a motivation for Ti and Do except insanity and it puzzled many that it could be a joint insanity but of course all it takes is for one academic to say “it’s a rare condition…blah, blah, blah”, and a flock of those who are desperate for an explanation become satisfied and then repeat that to those they know when the subject arises and it get’s put in Wikipedia, etc. and books and articles and for most of the population becomes fact. The Next Level knows this will happen and it served Them by sorting out those who would never make the grade anyway. However those who received some of their seed, even though it is still challenging think all they say makes total sense.

’95 STATEMENT BY AN E.T. PRESENTLY INCARNATE by Do (of Ti and Do)

December 20, 2013

(original posted to the World Wide Web) October 11, 1995 (slightly edited) January 1997

’95 STATEMENT BY AN E.T. PRESENTLY INCARNATE

1.  In the early 1970’s, two individuals (my task partner and myself)      from the Evolutionary Level Above Human (the Kingdom of Heaven)      incarnated into (moved into and took over) two human bodies that      were in their forties.  I moved into a male body, and my partner,      who is an Older Member in the Level Above Human, took a female body.      (We called these bodies “vehicles,” for they simply served as physical      vehicular tools for us to wear while on a task among humans.  They      had been tagged and set aside for our use since their birth.)

2.  We brought to Earth with us a crew of students whom we had worked      with (nurtured) on Earth in previous missions.  They were in varying      stages of metamorphic transition from membership in the human kingdom      to membership in the physical Evolutionary Level Above Human (what      your history refers to as the Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven).

3.  It seems that we arrived in Earth’s atmosphere between Earth’s 1940’s      and early 1990’s.  We suspect that many of us arrived in staged      spacecraft (UFO) crashes and many of our discarded bodies (genderless,      not belonging to the human species), were retrieved by human      authorities (government and military).

4.  Other crews from the Level Above Human preceded our arrival and      “tagged” – placed a deposit “chip” – in each of the vehicles (bodies)      that we would individually incarnate into, when that instruction would      be given.  These “chips” set aside those bodies for us.

5.  We feel that while we were “out of body” between arrival and      incarnation, we were thoroughly briefed and were taken through an      extensive preview of places and events that would assist our individual      incarnation process of bringing our mind our consciousness – into the      vehicle (body) and overriding the mind of the human “plant” (or      container) that each of us was to use.  This incarnation process is      very difficult and cannot be done without the help of Older Members of      the Evolutionary Level Above Human who have not only gone through the      metamorphic transition to completion themselves, but who have also      assisted others through this transition before (acting as “midwives”      for some in the shedding of their human-creature characteristics while      preparing to be born as new creatures into the Next Evolutionary      Kingdom).

6.  The true Kingdom of God – the real physical Kingdom of Heaven – the      Evolutionary Level Above Human – are completely synonymous.  As a      genderless Kingdom, it “reproduces” or adds to its Kingdom membership      through the use of this metamorphic process.  This Next Level Kingdom      created all that is – including all the paths that lead to decay and      destruction, for the creatures it creates are created with free will –      an ever-present option to choose the direction to take at any juncture      or moment of decision.

7.  The metamorphic “birth” into the Level Above Human occurs as follows:       In any given civilization on a fertile planet such as Earth (and Earth      has had many periodic/cyclical civilizations), the Level Above Human      plants all the new life forms (including humans) for that civilization      in a neutral condition so that they have a chance to choose the      direction of their growth.  The Level Above Human – or Next Level –      directly (hands on) relates significantly to the civilization at its      beginning stage, and subsequently (with few exceptions) at approximately      2000-year intervals (48-hour intervals from a Next Level perspective)      until that civilization’s final “Age.”

8.  Each time the Next Level relates directly to any portion of that      civilization, “deposits” containing “souls” (the “seed” or “chip” with      a program of metamorphic possibilities) are placed in many human plants.       This deposit is potentially the “gift of life” into the physical and      real Evolutionary Level Above Human.  These deposits are given or made      only when members of the Level Above Human are assigned to directly       relate to (be incarnate in) the civilization.  Only these Represent-      atives can “nurture” those deposited souls with Next Level thinking,      behavior, and all the information required to effectively “fluff off”      all human/mammalian characteristics of the old creature.  (A potential      creature of the Next Level cannot cling to human ways any more than a      butterfly can cling to caterpillar ways.)  So, when a Representative      from that Kingdom is present – that “Rep’s” nurturing (teaching) is a      “window” for exiting the human kingdom for all who have been given      deposits/souls.  These deposits are made only in vehicles (bodies)      that are “old enough” – having grown or matured enough – for self-      determination or responsibility.

9.  Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this      time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or      its “system.”  They are, from the establishment’s point of view,      being irresponsible or anti-social – and will be seen by the world      as duped, crazy, a cult member, a drifter, a loner, a drop-out, a      separatist, etc.

10.  Not only is the body, in a sense, the temporary container for the      soul, but even more importantly – the soul is the housing or container      of the new creature.  The soul has its own “brain” or “hard drive”      that accumulates only information of the Next Level – mundane as well      as theoretical or philosophical.  The soul also becomes part of the new      physical body of the new creature, though it is seldom seen by human      eyes.  Therefore, when a soul is a part of a new deposit, it has very      little information and is as a very small Next Level “fetus.”  As it      develops or grows in size, it necessitates the abortion of the human      mind, which is in a container beside it.  If you think of a glass vase      that has two balloons in it, one balloon is the human mind, the other      is the Next Level mind.  When the Next Level makes a “soul deposit,”      it is like placing the second balloon in the glass vase.  So, when      metamorphosis begins, the human mind (balloon) is all but filling the      container, and the Next Level mind or soul is all but empty.  As the      Next Level mind increases – and the soul begins to grow larger –      the human-mind container or balloon decreases until, if the Next      Level mind successfully makes it to “term,” the human deflated balloon      is discarded and the Next Level balloon (with Next Level mind) is all      that fills the container, or glass vase.  That soul with its Next      Level mind has by then become a physical body in a new species (the      Level Above Human), needing only a new physical outer shell, which      it receives as a “quartermaster issue” upon physically entering the      Next Level.

The final act of metamorphosis or separation from the human kingdom is      the “disconnect” or separation from the human physical container or      body in order to be released from the human environment and enter the      “next” world or physical environment of the Next Level.  This will be      done under the supervision of Members of the Next Level in a clinical      procedure.  We will rendezvous in the “clouds” (a giant mothership)      for our briefing and journey to the Kingdom of the Literal Heavens.

11.  Metamorphosis is not ordinarily accomplishable during only one period      of visitation from the Level Above Human.  Therefore, the deposit task      at each visitation includes deposits with “programs” for returnees who      are still in “forward motion.”

12.  At the end of the Age or civilization (where we are now), it seems that      all souls that were deposited in any part of the present civilization      are brought back.  Between visitations, “faithful” souls are “put on      ice,” so to speak – in the keeping of the Level Above Human, to be      re-deposited and again incarnated during the next visitation.  So, at      this time we have both “faithful” souls who might be in the third      “trimester” of their metamorphosis preparing for the final test before      “emerging” in their new physical body belonging to the Next Level, and      we also have all those souls who have “fallen away” during this      civilization’s visitations.  Even they now have a chance at      reinstatement.

13.  The requirement is the same for all who might expect to find themselves      in the safekeeping of the Level Above Human – each must proceed in the      forsaking of all human ways, ties, addictions, thinking, gender behavior      (sexuality), and be in the forward motion of becoming this new creature      (literally and physically belonging to the Kingdom Level Above Human).       (Some in the class have chosen on their own to have their vehicles      neutered in order to sustain a more genderless and objective      consciousness.)  The overcoming process can only be accomplished in the      care, keeping, and tutorship of the present (incarnate) Representative(s)      of that Next Kingdom.

14.  Humans in any given time seem to fall in one of three categories:

i)   Humans without deposits – those who are simply “plants” )a part of           the various levels of human “plant” life) containing the mind or           program of their genetic information combined with their brain’s           interpretation of the information of their current body’s           experiences,

ii)  those with deposits/souls who are receiving nourishment from the           present Rep(s) toward metamorphic completion, and

iii) those with deposits/souls who are not in a classroom nor in a           direct relationship with the Representative(s) from the Level           Beyond Human, having:           a) not been confronted with the information and the Rep(s), or           b) been confronted but have chosen not to “pursue.”

15.  Now that we are here again, how an individual responds to us and our      information will, in fact, judge that individual as to whether he or      she will or will not have a further relationship with the Next Level.       In other words, coming in contact with this information will force a      decision for all with souls, and the stand they individually take will      judge or determine their future.  Remember, even those who have fallen      away are being given an opportunity at this time to be reconciled or      reinstated.

16.  Those with souls — who fall away — become a part of the opposition      to the Next Level.  Once, in a prior civilization, records suggest that      a third of the class fell and the strongest, and thereby leader of those      fallen, was called “Lucifer” (or Satan).  Even today they occupy the      near heavens as what humans refer to as “space aliens.”  They also      burrow in bases underground and participate in genetic manipulation      and hybridization with humans, and attempt to recruit (while remaining      among the “unseen”) those humans with souls who are unstable or weak      in their pursuit of the true Kingdom of Heaven. These “Luciferians”      (for the most part from the “unseen” world) started all religions and      masquerade as “gods” to humans.  They offer to humans (who are      unknowingly praying to them) whatever material gains they desire.      These “Luciferians” and their devotees preach “Heaven on Earth,”      “Peace among men,” and a long and healthy life in the human condition,      and are determined to take the steps to make the inhabitants of the      planet subservient to their “ideal” mammalian ethic – destructive to      the natural evolutionary processes, and abhorrent to the Kingdom Level      Above Human.  These “fallen angels” unknowingly also SERVE the Next      Level — for as the aspirants to the Level Above Human apply the      necessary effort to rise above “this world” — they gain the strength      to enter the “Next World.”

17.  Where the space aliens have a major stronghold in playing “God” is      through those humans with the most power.  The power is the strongest      among the very rich and the very righteous (their self-styled religion)      who accept that it is their (“God-given”) responsibility to maintain the      world’s stability – judged, of course, by whatever actions are necessary      to maintain and increase that power.  These powerful individuals have a      loose-knit world-wide “club” that for the most part dictates who their      primary “monopoly” players are – those leaders in the “significant” or      strong societies or cultures.  Government leaders, the very rich, and the      world’s righteous or “moral” leaders need each other to accomplish their      desired ends.  They together really determine what is “right” and “wrong”      for the populace as a whole, for they trust their overview (and needless      to say, it is motivated, for it makes the rich richer, the political more      powerful, while offering sufficient “moral consciousness” to nurture a      guiltless society).  This “morality call” translates down to every level      of society’s structure, i.e., its laws, its permissiveness, and its      intolerance.  The governments’ law enforcers see to it that nothing is      permitted to significantly threaten the rules of the “big bedfellows'”      morality – which is no morality at all, but the long list of do’s and      don’ts which protect the money flow, secure the power players, and      sustain the acceptable morality code.  Any little group that isn’t      naively, totally submissive to their social rules, or begins to see      through this “control mechanism,” or questions its rightness, is seen as      subversive, radical, anti-social, a cult, or even treasonous – or      potentially “terrorists.”

18.  It is a fact of record that a number of space alien groups or “races”      have related to humans as recently as the past few decades for various      reasons.  These ranged from “deals” of mutual benefit – trading      spacecraft technology for uninterrupted genetic experimentation – to      missions of “spiritual enlightenment.”  All of these activities are far      beneath Next Level interests or activity and are, in fact, diversionary      efforts of the space aliens to have humans look to them at a time that      our return presence was imminent.

19.  The space aliens have very successfully, through their religions,      totally confused the humans’ concept of “God” or “Deity.”      (These religions were begun as major distortions immediately      following any visitation of the Next Level.)  The Next Level      abhors religions, for they bind humans more thoroughly to the      human kingdom, using strong misinformation mixed with cosmic or      universal consciousness of Creation, about which, in truth,      they know nothing.  Some of their Christians say that God was      incarnate as Jesus – though He knew that His Father was clearly      a separate entity, even when His Father’s mind was in Him.      Luciferians now answer the Christians’ (as well as all other      religions’) prayers or requests as they promote enriching their      human lives and having them seek a “Heaven on Earth” and a type of      Second Coming that would clearly be abominable to the Next Level.      Only the Luciferians could have Christians believing that Jesus      promoted family values, becoming better humans, establishing      professional religious institutions, and looking for the Second      Coming of some flowing-robed, peace-and-love manifestation of      their artists’ conceptions.

Most religious think of a Kingdom of God, though it doesn’t      register to them that that Kingdom has many members.  They feel      that if you acknowledge “many members” in the Kingdom of God,      then you would be acknowledging a pantheism.  Any time any member      of the Next Level is assigned a task to relate to humans directly,      since he is of the Kingdom of God, he is rightfully “God” to them,      for he is the member of the Evolutionary Level Above Human      (“Kingdom of God”) who is relating to them.  This is not to say      that there is not in the Next Level a “Chief of Chiefs” or one who      is Supreme.  Luciferians have had humans spiritualize and elevate      that spiritual feeling for the word “God” so that no member of the      Next Level would want to identify as one of those members of the      Kingdom of God.  The irony is that humans pray to the masquerading      “gods” – space aliens – who have many “superior” beings in their      different races and subraces.  So, humans are unknowingly praying      to different “gods” of many “gods.”  Of course, none of these are,      in fact, “Gods” – other than self-appointed.  (They are simply      humanoid remnants from previous civilizations that are allowed to      exist as a part of the balance of positive and negative presences,      and allowing a full range of free-will options.)         The Next Level is not into rituals, or spiritual inflation of      stature, though it’s true that younger members learn to be      respectful and acknowledge the wisdom and serviceability of Older      Members in the Next Level.  Where one can fall from progressing      in the Next Level is to slip into believing that he can grow on      his own.  The only way an individual can grow in the Next Level      is to learn to be dependent on his Older Member as that source      of unlimited growth and knowledge.  So, any younger member in      good standing, forever remains totally dependent upon (and      looks to) his Older Member for all things.

20.  Since this is the close of the Age, the battle in the Heavens      with their servants on Earth will be the means of that closing      and the spading under of the plants (including the humans) of      this civilization.  “Weeds” are now getting rid of weeds – from      gang wars to nations involved in ethnic cleansing.  This is       simply a part of the natural recycling process which precedes a      restoration period of the planet in preparation for another      civilization’s beginning.

21.  If you connect with this information – if you attempt to connect      with us in your desire to leave your humanness behind and link      with the Evolutionary Level Above Human – you may encounter what      seems to be insurmountable tests.  You can imagine the “fallout”      of your separation.  You may even be faced with the possibility      of losing the body you are “wearing” in the demonstration of your      faithfulness.  We can take you through all of these trials – they      are designed to offer you strength and resolve.

22.  If you expect to go with us in our spacecrafts headed for our      “world” and the only true Kingdom Level Above Human, you will      likely have to physically engage in preparedness and readiness      for that departure.  That readiness should not be interfered with      by the servants of this world.

I find it all but impossible to present these truths to you in a way that might stand a chance to survive the avalanche of thoughts from the opposition that would do anything in their power to prevent your separation from their world and your physical life in it.  I hope that my Older Member’s mercy will give you strength. If you care to speak to me in your thoughts, I answer to “Do” (pronounced Doe).  The name itself means nothing, but I connect  with it for it was agreed upon for my usage by my Older Member “Ti” (pronounced Tee).  Ti stayed with me, setting an example and preparing me for this present responsibility until 1985, and then separated from her borrowed human container and returned to the Next Level.  (If we’re not mistaken, our entire classroom task here from 1975 until the present has only been about 30 minutes by Next Level reckoning.)    If you have grown to hate your life in this world and would lose it for the sake of the Next Level, you will find true life with us – potentially forever.  If you cling to this life —- will you not lose it?

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Sawyer’s response to Christian bloggers post – “The Heresy of the Heaven’s Gate Cult”

October 18, 2011

The following is my response to Henry’s post “The heresy of the Heaven’s Gate Cult” on his Christian blog, “Spirit of Discernment”. I responded in depth to each opinion and accusation to the best of my ability. I was temporarily stumped by his reference to the the order in which he said the Two Witnesses would arrive based on the various Revelation’s depictions of the 7 Seals and the 7 Angels with the 7 Trumphets and 7 angels with the 7 vials, so it gave me cause to dig into the entire book of Revelations more thoroughly, something I have been meaning to do for a long time now, and in so doing, I saw where he was making broad assumptions of the events depicted leaving one less reason to scripturally diqualify Ti and Do as having fulfilled the role of the Revelations Chapter 11 Two Witnesses as one of several depictions of the promised return of the Kingdom of God for the harvest of Souls and the discernment of which souls might be “saved” for the next Earth based “Soul Garden” civilization, following a thorough recycling period when as Jesus said pertaining to a temple in Jerusalem, “There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down”. I don’t repeat this last quote to sound like I’m reissuing a punishment to the sinners as religionists and many Christians do and gloat over thinking they are somehow going to fare well being with Jesus in the clouds. I add it only because it’s a fact of life on Earth. Life is temporary on EVERY level even all that exists on the surface and recent science continues to prove that fact in the times, however many, the globe has heated and cooled, flooded and dried, etc. with or without the stimulus from the human population and their technology. It seems so apparant that the timing of each cycles end coincides with humans, many of which have had it so relatively easy for even a number of generations that expands their “head” beyond the reality of their own tiny affect and control, simply because they have become the product of their own illusion whether in a religio-spiritual or secular/scientific frame.

But before I start a little introduction and suggestion I gave to Henry:

Henry, I have included below a post I’ve made on my blog for the sake of the tiny amount of people that read my blog. My response here is quite long but as you were addressing and accusing me as a witnesss to the Two Witnesses it’s only right that I do the best job I could do to round out my responses with detailed examples from my experiences that are vast in this regard. You have warned me as most Christian bloggers eventually do before they cut me off entirely or do as L.A. Marzulli has done and disable comments, that you won’t allow me to “promote” Ti and Do in my responses. I guess there is something here that you fear, yet can not point out even ONE thing Ti and Do said or that I said Ti and Do said and did that can not be fully qualified by a number of scriptures but primarily by the words of Jesus found in any red letter bible but that a great deal of collaboration is found in The Book of Revelations and certain of the disciples letters. Even Paul said a few things that cross reference with something Jesus said. It’s the tendency of those who hate(detest)(not love less) the Real One True Kingdom of God and their representative, which of course many atheists and new age spiritualists have their way of doing, and religionist teachers as well, to see things completely black and white. Now it’s true in the end days (now) and in particular during the battle for souls, NOW that will conclude by the final return of Ti and Do and their crew of graduate 24 elder students and whoever else they wish to bring in the way many Christians actually expect it, but instead of seeing a bearded long haired white robed, or on a horse or sitting on a cloud with a sickle and a harp they will see the face that was before millions and millions for over a month on ALL the news stations of the world. Do’s FACE and wow will some freak when they see that however that is projected and evident so all will be FACED with the real deal. Thus for those that prepare for that event now, they will still have a chance to be saved. Otherwise many will die of shock and their spirit will be suspended in that shock until their spirit is recycled but will seem like an eternity. So you can disallow my comments and that’s fine with me. I don’t wish it. I’m sad if you do but it’s not about me, but you won’t be able to not see Ti and Do when they come. I also suspect the dead will also be faced with Do’s FACE and will respond with the same horror as if they programmed hatred of Do, then that hatred will be directed towards themselves because Do will not accept it. It will just bounce off of him.

Now it’s not too late to at least do one thing. Allow my posts, all of them for the benefit of others who read your blog since you leveraged the attack and convinced them, you are pulling them into the same eventual horrific condition. That is the only forgivable sin, which is why I suggest you allow my comments and then save yourself to some degree I hope by saying somethign to the affect, but I’m not trying to put words in your mouth, just want to be clear about my suggestion…but be honest..and express it. “You don’t know if Ti and Do are who they said they were for a fact” so it’s up to each reader to make up their own mind. If you don’t believe it, of course that’s your choice but at least it doesn’t drag others into that very shaky place of thinking you know more than God the creators of the planet and all it’s lifeforms.

In 1975 Ti and Do told those that didn’t know how to think about what they were presenting to ask the Kingdom of God about it, about them, about what their next best step is and they cautioned that there were Luciferians that were responding to calling on the name Jesus, as they declared themselves to be after jesus left to Paul and later to others, to date. They said to sidestep the Luciferians project your questions and petitions and prayers as far away into the deep heaven’s as you can imagine. The Luciferians can’t capture that. This is also what Jesus taught in the Lords prayer. He said to pray to the Father. For those who knew him personally, and for those that were alive and believed for a time after he left, they could ask things in his “name” – then Jesus but He knew that name would not be used upon his return which he said but the scriptures are hard to get that from, so I may be wrong about those scriptures, but I’m not wrong about the fact that in REvelations it says, paraphrased He would have a new name” that only his sheep would know.

(If you want to read his blog I’ve posted the address at the end of this post but here is what Henry initially wrote that I address point by point.)

Henry said:

The heresy of the Heaven’s Gate cult
September 21, 2011 by Henry

I first encountered the heavens gate cult when I read a news article about how the brother of the Star Trek actress Nichelle Nichol’s (who played Lieutenant Uhura in the original series) committed suicide in 1997 in what was a mass suicide conducted by the Heaven’s Gate group to coincide with the passing of Hales Comet by the earth.

Sawyer says:

Actually it was Dstody, aka Destin as in Destiny (what he felt joining with Ti and Do was for him), (his name choice) who was Nichelle Nichol’s, in Star Trek, Lt. Ohura’s brother, Thomas (perhaps his middle name but one he used for jobs in the world that we had) Nichols, whom I interacted with a great deal over 19 years in the Ti and Do’s experiential overcoming classroom, who was one of the 38 students who laid down his physical human life in March of 1997 and who came to me in a dream in late October, or early November of 2008 and all I got from his presence was “Obama”. Dstody had a African American “black” vehicle and that was the only dream I’d ever had with him, though I’ve had three with Ti, three with Do alone, and two with Do while observing him with classmates (some of the first dreams I had in 1998 or so) and various students since 1997, but never before then. At the time I took it to mean Obama was a good vote so I voted for him a week or two later. Less than a month later I was reading Revelations and came to Rev. 6, the 4 horseman and when I saw the “black horse” a light went on as I thought, “Oh, Dst in the dream was telling me that Obama is the black horse”.

I’m going to divert to bring some scriptural detail to the idea that the black horse represents a dark skinned human body/vehicle.

In scripture a horse can represent a human. Look at these two segments of scripture that say a red horse talks.

Zec 1:7 Upon the four and twentieth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Sebat, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the LORD unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying,
Zec 1:8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white.

note: So we have 1 rider on a red horse and then red horses, speckled and white without riders mentioned. So there are at least 1 rider and 3 horses, 1 of which is red-ruddy and the other ones red-ruddy, speckled white depending on the comma placements.

While we are at it, I believe when a horse is used to indicate a human physical body as in the few scriptures I am citing, (and of course Revelations chapter 6, a “rider” is a Soul as to ride one’s horse(vehicle) was to be in control of it and that is a big part of what a soul is taught to do, to be worthy of membership in the Kingdom of God’s crew. That control is what has been referred to as having Overcome or conquered one’s humanness but is worthless to do for self advancement. We must grow to want to do it for our Heavenly Father, “…thy will be done on Earth” which is why various religious pathways, though they look good don’t work because the giving of one’s will is put to the test the next time a member from the Kingdom of God comes to be with the selected horses and we are ready, willing and able to recognize them despite looking like an ordinary human, because of the quality of their mind, and leave everything of the human kingdom behind to “follow the lamb wherever he goes”.

Now this idea of a rider being a soul, some could wonder about, as are not all humans Souls or so we’re told? But if all humans were souls then why did Jesus differentiate humans that received “seeds” from those who had not, “to those whom much is given, much is required” (some arn’t given as much) and of course in the parable of the Kingdom of God as a seeding operation Jesus is describing how some seeds are devoured by birds and some fell on rocky soil…and some yield fruit. In other words, seeds are souls given to some as a gift that they must have been asking for somehow as the Kingdom of God created free will so we’d be the chooser, what to ask for, what to seek, what door to knock on and hope to find, as Jesus said was the “way” (we get on the receiving end of such a “gift”. If all had souls already where would be the need to plant seeds and what would become of those that don’t take full advantage of that gift. After all, what made Adam into a “Living Soul”? It was the “breath of life” he breathed in though his nostrils that came from his Lord God. Notice in the previous chapter of Genesus, “The Elohim created man, male and female and said be fruitful and mulitply and subdue the Earth”, which means conquer/overcome their human earthiness animal nature.

I also want to add at this point that in one of the only analogies Ti and Do gave over 19 years that I heard about was in describing the Kingdom of God, what they called the Next Level, (because it’s a human’s next evolutionary step from the human kingdom level), as ranchers who round up a group of wild horses and offer them a chance to be of service to the ranchers, that entails a training program. Those that take to the training are kept and assigned various tasks. The rest are let go and never have a relationship with a higher, more evolved kingdom level. So the Next Level are the ranchers and humans are like horses. Ti and Do, to my recollection or in writing never related this idea to Zecheriah or Revelation’s references to horses as human beings.

And here is the indicator that these horses are depictions of humans bodies:

(as the Spirit and/or Soul is as fruit from the body’s choices in life, of which if they are given the gift of a seed (soul), a part of which holds the recognition of it’s origin (the Kingdom of God), thus a measure of faith, that fruit is from a “good”(useful) tree as opposed to a “evil” (or trouble making/deceitful/manipulating) tree, thus a tare as opposed to the Wheat sown.)

Zec 1:9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be.
Zec 1:10 And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.
Zec 1:11 And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest.

Note: These are sent by Lord to walk through the earth, and They talk thus not realistic to expect they are horses as in the animals.

red = hebrew 0122 ‘adom {aw-dome’}
 from 0119; TWOT – 26b; adj
 AV – red 8, ruddy 1; 9
 1) red, ruddy (of man, horse, heifer, garment, water, lentils)

speckled = hebrew 08320 saruq {saw-rook’}
 from 08319; TWOT – 2294a; n m
 AV – speckled 1; 1
 1) sorrel, reddish, tawny, bay

white = hebrew 03836 laban {law-bawn’} or (Gen. 49:12) laben {law-bane’}
 from 03835; TWOT – 1074a; adj
 AV – white 29; 29
 1) white

For any that think making reference to Zechariah are questionable data to quote, it’s always to be taken for what it’s worth. We do have record of Jesus referring to Zechariah and how he was stoned to death due to his work for the Lord. He was visited by messengers among which we get the TWO olive trees and TWO lampstands which are said to be both “annointed ones” which is one of the definitions of a Christ, thus the Two witnesses are both Christs (annointed), thus are the next or so called second coming of the task assignment called Christing or Christening.

That task entails teaching youngins how to become a “christ”. It is task that is never accomplished without an existing Christ taking us through the difficult birth canal of cutting all our Earth/Human roots, likes, dislikes, etc. and is never a task we then are assigned to perform for others until we have worked for a long time in various apprentising positions to gradually prove our trustworthiness. (So I am not saying any student is at this time a Christ. That’s not at all mine to determine or even know about. I am simply trying to de-mystify the task. It’s a task, an important one and a huge one for a huge HOLY MINDed Soul that wants to someday perform in such a task capacity thus must meet the strict requirements of their Older Member who had performed such a Christ task many times before to which they graduated to being a “Father” from which is depicted in Rev. 12).

(There’s a lot more to consider in this Zechariah connection, but I’ll leave it for another time).

Then when Obama came into office and almost his entire presidency was on the heels of the huge (biggest in the history of our civilization), financial “crisis” that is clear to many was a manipulation and/or at the least a blatent disregard for ethical business practises for the sake of windfalls of profit for a few as the robber barons gambled away any benefit ordinary citizens get from the huge amount of taxes they give and the financial crisis that has insued in the US has a ripple effect that is to date breaking the backs of countries but isn’t proceeding without strategies as there certainly is a conspiracy afoot here, even layers to where one layer doesn’t know of the other layer. Thus one way to define this verse is that the one sitting on the black horse is a “balancer” between opposing sides in a conflict and at a time when commodoties, wheat and barley are affected while oil and wine are not “hurt” is really “unjustly”. More specifically…

Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say Come and see And I beheld and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances (beam of the balance, thus what takes on the stess of what’s being balanced, thus a great yoke &/or burden) in his hand (to work on, his job).

and what is causing that stress:

Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Matters of commodities(foods given: Wheat and Barley), commerce (how much a penny buys) & thus finance.

Note: Now this is not saying he who sits on the black horse in Rev is related to someone sitting (or riding) on that horse(human vehicle) is acting consciously for the Kingdom of God. However the sit/rider is a Soul but is most likley a “fallen angel” Soul as are many if not all of those who have a great influence on humanity but don’t demonstrate the rules of behavior put forth by members of the Kingdom of God. But on the other hand, Obama himself, the human genetic vehicle that may have his own soul implant/seed, given to him sometime ago, if he was a seeker, like in his youth, which he indicates he did experience, may still look to the Kingdom of God and could have been why He read psalm 46 at the 2011 10 year anniversary 9/11 memorial in NYC, that says:

Psa 46:1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Psa 46:2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
Psa 46:3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.

Note talk of the” “Earth being removed and mountains carried into the sea(earthquakes), waters roar(tsunami) &/or waters = people roaring and troubled.

Psa 46:4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
Psa 46:5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.

Note: Interesting that this “River” is like the trunk with Branches, it’s streams – that fullfill all those in the city of God and this River is referred to as a “she”, which I can’t help but relate to Ti, The Father.

Psa 46:6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
Psa 46:7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
Psa 46:8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth.
Psa 46:9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.
Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
Psa 46:11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

Now, of course there are many scriptures he could have chose and this choice to use this psalm, could have been a political one, as most things are for politicians who wish to get re-elected. By reading from pslams he is demonstrating his Judeao-Christian orientation vs the Islamic as some of his critics say he really is, though Islam recognizes Moses and Jesus and the book of Psalms is kind of neutral and it does coincide with the “shaking” often termed in the New testement as an earthquake, that occurred on 9/11/2001.

*** end of segway regarding horses = particular human beings ***

Henry said:

It was believed by those who were involved that the comet would take their souls to heaven. From a Christian point of view this of course is preposterous but what should be more surprising is the fact that this group claim also to be followers of Christ and cloak their beliefs in scripture. I personally have not studied the beliefs of this group extensively however from what I have learnt about them I know enough to designate them as a cult which promotes false doctrines.

Sawyer says:

Why is it not possible that the LORD could come in such a way that to us on Earth would experience as a comet? Where are the scriptures that rule that out? There are none, but there are quiet a few that rule it in.

But before addressing that idea, lets be clear about what Ti and Do and students believed. Do never said the comet would take their souls to heaven. They initially heard the underground reports that there was a object way beyond the so called orbit of Pluto showing erratic behavior. I was there when we first heard some of those reports. Then after I left them, as I’ve learned from having researched it, the Hale Bopp comet was reported to have had what became known as a “companion” object following along with the comet body. This was when people on Earth could see both the Comet and the companion with binoculars. This is also when photographs were taken by a Japanese Astrological team. Their picture showed the comet and the stars around it with an oval shape, which is part of the way the time lapsed photography so far away works, but the companion object didn’t have this oval shape which was certainly puzzeling to them.

Meanwhile there was a picture taken in the US that also showed the companion object but then when analysed by astronomers in Hawaii it wasn’t evident. There was something fishy there and some suspect it was airbrushed out for public release. I’m not being as thorough as I could be right now but there is documentation and much of the contravsery surround the late Art Bell who hosted a radio show out of Las Vegas, Nevada, whom among other things Do and crew were observing, as they were observing everything all over the planet.

We even lived in the Phoenix dessert in tent corridors and trailors with generators and huge 7 foot across mobile satelitte dishes we built the stands for that we could get satellite feeds for that provided news at the same time the various network news shows got them. And with those satelittes we picked up many Christian evangelists and a short time later had computers before the internet that we used to dial into various “bulletin boards”, one of which was called Paranet, which reported on much of the ufo related reports. I say all this because if anyone could be seen as an “observer” of what the Kingdom of God might at any moment instigate that could serve as a clue to the groups next step pertaining to information or to whether we might be better located for pickup, Do was an exquisit example. It wasn’t for entertainment.

However, then the comet with the alleged companion went behind the sun thus out of Earth’s eyeshot and when it came around the other side, back into view had no sign of a companion though still looked very, very different from any other comet viewed till then. It had two distinct tails which scientists in an effort to explain it, said it has a binary nuecleus. There are a number of photographs that show the two tails as these were easy to see even by amateurs. The previous photos never showed the two tails. These are facts not fiction or hearsay but then again everything these days is morphed in and out of reality so it’s no wonder so few have the stamina to keep digging. Most want to find what they consider to be a safe niche for their world view be anywhere from fringe to mainstream religio-spiritual to scientifically atheistic or not engaged at all.

Meanwhile the group, now Do and students were observing some of this contraversy. They had been looking for “pickup” since 1975 and were always concerned with being in the right place at the right time, never assuming the Next Level Above Human would spell it all out for them. They always took the point of view that they needed to themselves continue observing, watching all events, considering what they observe together with the degree of overcoming of the human world of their students, the primary reason they came, for them, to take them though their graduation/wheat harvest of the fruit. They knew they were given new information and guidence in a step wise fashion in accordance with the progress of the student body.

A case in point…In 1975 They initially thought the pickup would be months away but when pressed by students for a more definite time frame said they caved in to them some and said, “no more than 5 years away”. Interestingly, it was about 1980 that Ti set a date for pickup. We were all in San Antonio area at the time, still living outdoors. Perhaps it was before 1980 actually. We were camping at a place called “Cave without a name” in Bourne, Texas, actually the same town where Ti and Do had gone after leaving Houston in a type of whirlwind, setting out to tell others about the task they felt they had together.  I’d guess there were 45 to 48 students left then from the 96 who first gathered in Wyoming some 4 years prior. Ti and Do has a great deal to do with that number as in 1976 they had 19 of the students seperated from the larger body and told us who remained we made the “first cut”. (3 of those 19 ended up finding their way back to the group some 6-7 years later). Anyway, we prepared to be picked up by a spacecraft from the Next Level. They had us nearly fast that day and we got some early rest so we could stay up for as long as possible that night. The night passed without a pickup and we learned from Do that Ti felt she had “egg on her face”. However, looking back on that it was clear to Ti and Do that some members of the group were simply not ready to go as a number dropped out nearly immedieatly after that failed pickup time, as if they were staying there just for that event, missing the entire point to the task…what Ti and Do called the metamorphoic process of changing from a human (catapillar) to a above human (butterfly) which required bonding with the Older Member (present Heavenly Father) who would serve as a midwife for that real Soul birth (Jesus spoke of), that would become manifest as overcoming/conquering our vehicles human thoughts, ways, behaviors, past, relationships and even particular likes and dislikes.

Thus one can see the so called failed pickup as a Next Level way of vetting the serious minded students from the not so serious minded students as getting a ride on a UFO was never a draw for the serious minded students, though many of the students didn’t even know how big a draw such an idea might have been. I have lots of examples of how Ti and Do got info/tasks in steps that were just slightly ahead of the students ability to absorb/apply them.

Yes, it is true that Do and Students thought of this “companion” as a spacecraft that was manned by Ti and Ti’s crew coming to pick them up as they by 1996 even knew they had exhautsed all they were here to do. They had by then spelled out the information Ti and Do brought in 6 distinct and major ways, 4 of which received globalwide media. But when the companion was no longer visible, but perhaps even before that, knew that whether or not there was a spacecraft companion with the Hale Bopp comet or not was NOT important to them, which they posted on their web site what would be their 7th and last public offerring of the information.

I was with them for the first 5 public offerings and was included in what some might see as Do’s inner circle having an overseer task for the 5th offering and I only say this to provide some evidence that I was in a position to know a great deal about Do’s stepwise task operation. These public offerrings were never spoken of as a possible fulfillment of the prophecy of the 7 Angel’s “trumphets” or voices in Revelations. It just happened that way though Do was taking his lead from his Older Member, Ti who was at that time in “Heaven”. That’s not to say they never came upon those scriptures. I know they did and would have certainly seen that prophecy and recognized that they were nearly fulfilling it. I’m not actually saying these 7 offerrings were in fact the 7 angel’s trumphets. The angel’s we know are a messenger task. Thus it’s altogether possible this is the way the informational portion of the task was unrolled. Ti and Do never had much vision into the future in terms of how their task would/could play out. It was 1996 when Do felt “laying down their vehicles was likely” and decided to plan accordingly but he also said, if the Next Level didn’t feel this was the best next step then he felt they would pick them up in a spacecraft.

Here are the 7 public offerrings I’m considering to be the 7 messengers voices/trumphets (They may not correlate as there is no way I’ve seen that they do, except in the fact that there are 7):

1) 1975-6 (initial prophecy and only offerring they did together – public meetings by both Bo(Do) and Peep(Ti) that lasted 3 1/2 years (give or take a few days) but hit the news media in 1975,

2) 1988 by Do’s booklet we bound called “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew” that we sent to a bunch of people like Walt Andrus of MUFON and Whitley Streiber, etc. (UFO was never a focus of the group. It became a catch phrase because some students designed the first posters used in 1975 with UFO in big letters. Ti and Do said no one checked this with them and that they would not have used that abbreviation, but as it became known accepted it as a media indentification).

3) 1991-2 12 hours video tape series of Do and student called “Beyond Human, The Last Call, of which I, as Sawyer was one of Do’s helpers/teleprompters.

4) May 27th 1993 with USA Today’s National and International Editions consisting of a third of a page information/ad (not selling anything) called, “‘UFO Cult’ Resurfaces with Final Offer”, (as “UFO Cult” was the name the Media gave the group in 1975-6).

5) Starting on 1/1/1994 our group who had been housed for the years since campgound living into the early 1980’s, sold everything again and outfitted ourselves to travel to once again deliver in a face to face way the information of Ti and Do. We set out in 4 groups that grew to 6, so we were in total 7 as Do and his two student helpers traveled together. We held 64 public meetings in many western U.S. cities that seemed to be hubs of thirsty souls over 9 1/2 months.

When we set out we had only 25 members, (including myself) of the group who had been there from 1975-6 though there were others in more of a half way situation that from the 1994 meetings rejoined. And there were some who still had occasional contact. (I suspect these are the 24 Elder Souls/Saints who took those human vehicles).

6) The sixth voice/trumphet went out to the world wide web to 95 UseNET newsgroups entitled for the religious tongued, “Undercover ‘Jesus’ Surfaces Before Departure” on September 25-26, 1995 and then a generic translation entitled, “’95 Statement by an E.T. Presently Incarnate”.

7) The Seventh and final offerring had several phases the first being an ahthology of all the materials published in a book entitled, “How and When ‘Heaven’s Gate’ (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered” which was put on the web as Heavensgate.com which is still maintained along with another mirrored site called Heavensgatetoo.com where the book can be downloaded freely. The second and last phase of the 7th public offerring was in syncronization with their decided exit of their physical vehicles, aka human bodies, containers, suits of clothing, horses to learn to ride/control, overcome/conquer. They decided to “lay them down” voluntarily and document it for the world to see. They wanted to make a world wide splash as opposed to exiting with no media involvment. This was in a real sense pertinent to the media and all who saw them in 1975-6 a rising from the public commons (media) grave for the UFO TWO, The Two, The Two Witnesses, Bo and Peep now Do and Ti, for They and students had been silent for 17 years while the students were doing the hard work learning to be a spoke in the wheel of a Next Level Older Member’s crew on board a spacecraft/laboratory.

Now, back to the Comet talk…

As I’ve said, they actually never thought the comet itself was a transportation vehicle that would pick them up as they said and thus evidenced on Heavensgate.com. They did definitely feel/know that it was the “sign” or “token” they had been waiting/preparing for even from 1975. And that correlates exactly with:

Mt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Note: This is describing the event to come…”so shall …. be” forewarning those who read it that his coming as a “son of man” in other words in a new human body will have a heaven sent/displayed notification which a “comet” can certainly be considered to fulfill as it’s bright light and it’s visible to Earthlings along the ecliptic which travels the same path as the sun, moon and stars, east to west. Sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

Ti and Do actually thought the comet Kohotek was their initial arrival’s “sign” as the day near Christmas, was Kohotek’s perihelian and it had been touted to be a huge event/omen, etc. and that was December of 1973 while Ti and Do were renting a car in St. Louis, Missouri using a credit card they had been given by their first supporter in 1973, but whose husband, not a supporter reported as stolen which months later caught up with Ti and Do when they called the media in Brownsville, Texas intending to give them their story, but the reporter, being there was so much drug trafficing on the Texas/Mexico border thought was going to be a drug tip, so informed police who went to the motel where Ti and Do were staying and apprehended then and when they did a checkup on them found they unknowingly had used a now reportedly stolen credit card. And this arrest that resulted in dropped charges against Ti but 6 months in prison for Do, where he wrote “statement one” mailed to stimulate the first meeting in Los Angeles and giving him a “record” as a “thief” that was the basis of later “shooting them down” in the commons(national media) when Walter Cronkite exposed their hames and Do as a felon following an investigation as to who prompted 27 people to walk out the doors of their lives to join them to go to heaven on a UFO.

Their next huge public event coinciding with a huge bright “sign” in the heaven’s east to west was the Hale-Bopp comet.

Neverthelsss, here is the “sign”:

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

In this case though we have the sign first, then mourning which can be considered to be the response of many who had family and friends in the Heaven’s gate group but also for others the shock of what to them was most bizarre and disturbing to witness. Then some time later which can be quite later by human time frame, we see that human body again in the clouds of heaven, but this time not as an undercover of night but with power and brilliance (glory). This could be their last return. In other words Jesus said he’d return twice more. One time to…

Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Note: The “angels” are His messenger servants disciples/students. When Jesus sent out the 70+ they were performing that task of delivering the good news of the Kingdom being at hand with Jesus’ physical presense. The United States was already he biggest new melting pot where all people’s had migrated.

…and next as a part of the harvest/judgement end of the human world as we know it.

The term “heaven” we see throughout the New Testement has mulitple levels of meaning as do most of what Jesus said and/or referred, thus to call this idea “preposterous” is ignoring/refusing to look/observe/watch what can be proof to the faithful who don’t skoff at God in saying what God can and can’t do.

It represents the overall dwellings of all members of the Kingdom of God/Heaven as it’s also inclusive of their condition that is both physically and mentally/spiritually eternal, no longer limited to cycles and planetary environments.
It represents that part of the spirit world where Souls are saved to, aka paradise, abrahams bosum, heaven.
It represents the sky.
It represents the firmament of the Sun and Moon and Stars.

Heaven nearly exclusivly used throughout the New Testement in greek origin is:

Strongs Concordance: 3772 ouranoV ouranos oo-ran-os’ perhaps from the same as oroV – oros 3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension, heaven (as the abode of God); by implication, happiness, power, eternity; specially, the Gospel (Christianity):–air, heaven(-ly), sky.

Reference: 3735 oroV oros or’-os probably from an obsolete oro (to rise or “rear”; perhaps akin to airw – airo 142; compare 3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): -hill, mount(-ain).

Reference: 142 airw airo ah’-ee-ro a primary root; to lift up; by implication, to take up or away; figuratively, to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind), specially, to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare nasa’ 5375) to expiate sin:–away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).
 
So yes, they were claiming that Ti and Do were the door or gate into the abodes of members of the Kingdom of God that has as it’s primary environment anywhere their tasks take them in outer space the literal heavens.

Also doesn’t the word you used, “cloak” mean to hide or disguise? So you say, “Ti and Do disguised their beliefs in scripture”. I guess you are saying they found scriptures to justify their beliefs that were not otherwise scriptural. If so, can you give me ONE example? Just ONE of the beliefs of Ti and Do and the scripture they used to substantiate that belief.

Actually, I’ll do if for you. But before I do, I’ll remind that Jesus sort of did that – took some action that it seemed he knew was simply to fulfill a scripture, i.e. riding an ass into Jerusalem, giving a speech on the temple mount (which would have qualified his blowing his trumphet…perhaps he even blew a shofar there as well, I don’t know of any record of that), and he said that Judas Iscariot’s betrayal was a fulfillment of prophecy, which he in part orchestrated and I’d bet there are more.

Ti and Do soon after meeting in Houston in mid 1972 soon believed they were both “from outer space” and were “here to bring updates and fulfill prophecy in the Bible”. They didn’t at that time in early 1973 know what prophecy, but less than a year later while studying the Bible believed they were the Two Witnesses from Rev. 11, and they believed in the word for word way in which those scriptures had been translated, that they would have their physical bodies killed and would resurrect for their enemies to witness and then ascend into a cloud with their bodies, a repeat performance they said of what Jesus did. So in a sense they took what they felt at first and believed it fit into the Rev 11 prophecy.

To their surprise when they sent out their written statement to religious and spiritual leaders which was shortly before April of 1975, they were asked to speak to a meditation group in Los Angeles, (city of (God’s)angels on the shore by the sea) and a packed house meeting and then the next day a yet bigger group, some wanted to join with them, though they coming into the meetings did not welcome the idea of followers. They thought they were to just prophesize and be killed. The scripture didn’t say anything about followers but they accepted that some wanted to, so met them at a campground, that they stayed at then and a few months later organized meetings in San Francisco and then Waldport, Oregon, the meeting I joined them from which is the meeting that brought their claims to the media. The new followers that escalted into the 70’s in number by Chicago then split up as it was hard to hide. The news broke around that time and authorities were looking for these two because some 27 people had walked out the door of their lives to join them, from attending the Waldport, Oregon meeting. One of these was the mother of two young children, who arranged to have their father take the kids as he lived less than 100 miles from them. That hit the press, a long story that I have personal awareness of, so the police got involved which is what brought the story to the press. Ti and Do at the time were told the children were abandoned which Ti and Do said they certainly would not have done.

But because of the national media and Walter Cronkite headlining the story that was covered by every major newspaper in the U.S. that linked going to heaven with boarding a spacecraft behind or inside a “cloud of light”, Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) Ti and Do felt the group needed to be broken up to smaller groups to continue holding public meetings. There were 6 or 7 groups counting 6 students that traveled with Ti and Do. By November of 1975 I was no longer with any group as the group I had been with sort of disbanned so I with the partner assigned to be with me decided to bring the message about Ti and Do to the east coast of the U.S.

It wasn’t until April that after asking God for help to know what to do next that I walked into a library where a meeting was scheduled by another group, that ended up being Ti and Do’s group and it was in Oklahoma City and just so happened to be where Ti announced that the “Harvest is closed”. This was April 21, 1976. Now, considering that Ti and Do thought they were the Two Witnesses and evidenced knowing the prophecy, wouldn’t they had timed their stated end to their prophecy to match the exact time frame in the prophecy of 1260 days (3 1/2 years)? And if they were cloaking their belief in prophecy wouldn’t they have to tell people what day they started to prophesize? The term prophecy means to publically talk about the future regarding the Kingdom of God. This would have been a very easy way to match up with prophecy. Just count back 1260 days and say this is when we began to prophesize. Well they never sought to justify this part of prophesy and as it happened they began to first talk about who they thought themselves to be in a public way officially on 1/1/1973 sometime close to midnight when they left their old lives behind in Houston, Texas. 1260 days later brings us to June 14, 1976.

When Ti made the announcement, the six other groups of students were spread out around the country and had already scheduled their next meeting so were told by Ti and Do to finish their last meetings. My groups last meeting was in Fayetteville, Arkansas. After that we were camped near Cape Girado, Missouri and some new students were supposed to rendevous with us there. Then Ti and Do told us to spend quality time, essentially every moment to individually commune with God to ask for and be ready for what was next. That was about 2 weeks prior to getting notification from Ti and Do to meet in Veedavou Campground in Medicine Bow National Forest east of Laramie, Wyoming. We all  arrived there by July 4, 1976 (by the way the Bi-centenial of the formation of the United States (melting pot – where angels had gathered souls from the 4 winds as prophesized) the location of the New Jerusalem “city of God” (Los Angeles) as well as the new Sodom (Las Vegas) Judea/Egypt, the new Babylon, the Beast that all the nations of the world are in bed with where Jesus said the Kingdom of God would be moved to a new nation where they spoke in a new tongue (paraphrasing several scriptures).

Thus this was pretty darn close to 1260 days and since Ti and Do, months before 1/1/73 set up two short lived “centers”, one in the basement of St. Thomas’s where Do was the choral/music director – whose favorite song was, “Lo How a Rose” (about growing fruit(a soul) out of the thorns of evil) but in a short time were asked to discontinue as they called it the Christian Arts Center and it was reported that they were not strictly talking Christian talk. The next center was called Knowplace. So these could be considered to be the start of their Prophectic period though I guess it depended upon what they talked about in the few meetings they had in each of those two centers.

My point is, that it may or may not have been an exact 1260 days, but it was pretty darn close.

Henry said:

Our Lord Jesus Christ warns us many times in His word that we should beware of false christs and false teachers who if it were possible would deceive the very elect. I fear that those who are involved with the heaven’s gate group are both deceiving and being deceived. For instance, where is it written in scripture that believers should commit suicide in order to attain to heaven or even that space objects such as comets would come to take our souls to heaven so that we should take our own lives to gain entry such a vehicle? Anyone who believes this must necessarily believe a different gospel than that written in the Bible. However, as Paul admonishes us we should test every spirit to see if they are of God, in like fashion as the Bereans who examined all that Paul had taught them against the word to see if those things that Paul claimed were so. The adherents of the heaven’s gate group would do well to study the scriptures daily to see if the teachings they received lined up with the Word of God.

Sawyer says:

Except you have no scriptural proof of this claim. Just “feeling” this way can easily be the instigation of a Luciferian trying to keep you from looking at it seriously. And if you were willing to actually look at what I am saying and the myrid of scriptures all over I have quoted and provided greek/hebrew backgound on and research, cross referencing work on, then perhaps you would see how exactly they really do match what Jesus said/did, but perhaps that’s what you are afraid of, so you just ignore and deny any truth to it.

So, “Where’s the Beef, Henry? Show me some scriptures that speak against anything Ti and Do actually said or did. Have you not read John chapter 14 carefully to see that Jesus actually “laid down his life, because his Father asked him to”. That’s what he said. Was he wrong as wasn’t he captured? And didn’t he tell his disciples they would have to “drink the cup” too and that some of them would be killed and all would be persecuted and not to be concerned about those who could kill the body but could not kill the soul and that the body was sacrificed, the reason for the beginning of that willingness in the camp of Moses to sacrifice what is otherwise our most valuble possession, especially when lamb meat was at a premium. Thus their laying down their lives should not really be a huge leap of faith to consider for the most devout should they genuinely feel they are physically with their recognized shepherd who they witness over many years to be pure of heart and soul – zero evidence of any wrongdoing at all, something no other so called “cult” leader or church leader can claim I’d bet. He didn’t even get the benefit of all that praise and glory and fine clothing and food and lavish surroundings and all that attention, self grandisements and self absorbsion even mixed with a certain amount of asceticism that the Luciferians love to tout as holiness used to create followers by.

Henry said:

Jesus Christ came into this world to die for our sins so that through Him – by believing in Him and His gospel message we might be saved and inherit eternal life. Paul writing to Titus said:

11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Rather than committing suicide to accelerate our journey to heaven we are to earnestly continue in the blessed hope, waiting for the appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. Moreover, when we die though we be in Christ we do not instantly go to heaven. Rather we remain asleep until the great and terrible day of the Lord when Jesus shall descend from heaven to gather the dead and the living who are in Him to Himself. See the following verses:

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words. (1 Thess 4:16-18)

The heaven’s gate group however believes there is actually a different way to get to heaven – mass suicide. To them what is written here in the Word is not true but rather what their teachers tell them is what they believe to be the truth. However you cannot have it both ways – it is either you believe the Word of God as written in the Bible or you make it up as you go along or follow those who make it up as they go along.

Sawyer’s response:
No, this is a total misrepresentation.

No, suicide isn’t at all Ti and Do’s idea as the way to get to heaven but the fact is, for those that want to give ALL of themselves to the Kingdom of God, when it’s presented by a genuine member from the Kingdom of God, that only an individual can determine for themselves, then by whatever means, death of the physical body is required. I bet I could find at least 12 things Jesus said that directly indicated loss of one’s physical body “for the Kingdom of Heaven’s/God’s sake was part of the required formula.

However, it’s only applicable when the death is because the student/disciple believes with all their heart that they are with the real deal, a member of the Kingdom of God, in this case Two members in a female and male body named Ti and Do. AND the much bigger part of the contract is that the student must PROVE to the teacher they are wanting to go with them more than anything else in the entire human and geographical world and this can take years for the teacher to be persuaded to permit. It’s impossible to know how much effort both Ti and Do put into each student UNLESS you witnessed it or are willing to believe a witness like myself who has proved over years has nothing to gain by making it up. If I were to make something up, which would be if I wanted to try to make money or become more popular to have followers, I could easily tweek a few difficult to swallow ideas and walla I’d have a new religion. But that would be blasphemy against Ti and Do to not tell the whole truth as I experienced it.
 
Now, of course for someone who never had anything to do with Ti and Do, they would be expected to “test their goods” – examine their fruit to determine what tree it comes from. But most of the time that’s the last thing anyone cares to do. It’s much easier to just disqualify Ti and Do and move on. So in a sense Henry’s posting here is a breath of fresh air as at least he has kept the door open somewhat and has attempted to state the reasons for his belief that Ti and Do are heretics, which would make me one as well.

However, Henry’s attempt here is without any depth as to just throw out scriptures that we think prove Ti and Do can’t be the two witnesses/ “second” coming of Jesus is next to meaningless if we don’t have the broadest understanding of what Jesus actually said in non-religisized tongues, aka language/terms. It’s understandable that if someone like Henry has not dug into the scriptures himself to try to see what the translators decided to do with each word then of course he’s not going to see much more, if any more than the various translators saw. I always cheer when I see a Christian demonstrating the Greek and/or Hebrew roots to an English word as it shows more than a casual thirst to know what was said. And this of course is very hard mental work to bascially check and consider an alternate definition for a word or phrase but it cues one into every word. However all too often what the Christians who try to retranslate do is focus on scriptures that have little to no contravesy when there are dozens no one wants to touch as they are considered extreme thinking OR they find some meaning they can use to justify what they don’t want to otherwise believe. For instance, the “eye of the needle”. I don’t doubt that at some point that arch that camel’s need to kneel down to get under could have been called the “eye of the needle”, before or after jesus gave that analogy that:

Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Mar 10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mar 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

If there was an arch that was called the eye of a needle that Jesus was referring, I’d bet a camel never was able to get through it but the way many Christians use it, it’s as if, it was hard for them to get though it but not impossible, leaving the door open wide to think having great possessions is even a bounty of a life filled with godliness that god blesses us with things. Talk about lies. This is from you know who, the “Father of lies”. The reason the rich can’t make it is because they will rely on their money when they have certain tests that they need to look to God to help them solve. If someone did join with Jesus and kept their money with them, they would have been kicked out for doing so as what we don’t know is that Jesus ran a tight ship financially. He had a “purser” that doled out the money for various needs. So he wasn’t a begger either. But this isn’t meant for us so much now when there is no member of the Kingdom of God physically present, though that too can be an excuse to just treat our money the same as everyone else mostly does, often hording for a rainy day or retirement while people all around don’t even eat that well or have a warm dry place to rest. I don’t tell people what to do with their money as that’s not my place to say. The rule we were given by Jesus was to “love our neighbor as ourselves” so a strict application of that might look like, a 50/50 split – I’d give 50% of my income to others and keep 50% for myself. Imagine if everyone did that. There would be noone homeless or hungry or without someone to help them. Of course when we entangle ourselves into debt so many of us don’t have anything to give away really.

But the point to these scriptures is that when the Lord is putting out the trumphet call and you hear it, then it’s time to hit the deck running in his direction or not.

At this time, the trumphets have all but sounded, though the last one they sounded is still reverberating all around the globe because of how loud a blast it was which was deliberate so the running to the Lord that we can do now is to accept their latest representatives and tell others about them and accept the ramifications. No groups to belong to, no meetings to attend, no tapes or cd’s or dvd’s to buy, no new practices or techniques to learn and master and then peddle to others as spiritual development. Just plain and simple telling what they said and did and that will probably eventually get us killed as we have not yet seen the 4th horseman of the apocolypse.

Actually contrary to what Henry said, Ti and Do didn’t talk very much about scripture and when they did there was no in depth analysis. What I am sharing in these blogs and on my sites is what I’ve come to understand from my constant in depth analysis because I want to know more about what Jesus meant and intended, which in so doing I learn about the outright mistakes made by many translators.

Henry says I or they are making up what’s in the Bible as I(we) go along, another unfounded accusation amidst many the ill informed use to avoid finding out what they don’t know when they want to think of themselves as knowledgeable and especially when others are reading/listening to what they say. The same thing happens with humans in any field. They become entrenched in what floats their boat, so don’t want to rock that boat so automatically disqualify something new.

So Henry, give me one scriptural interpreation that you think I “made up” and I will show you how I spent many hours with the greek/hebrew/aramaic to arrive at the most likley meanings. Of course I can make misakes but that’s why I cross reference a great deal.

Henry said:

The heaven’s gate group believes in two characters called Ti and Do who they claim are Jesus and God and at the same time the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11. The first question we need to ask here is whether God can send witnesses who contradict His very word. Let us first of all briefly examine whether these two characters could actually be God and Jesus. Jesus came into this world a messenger of the Father to bring good news to the lost. Jesus however told us that He is going back but will come again to gather those that are His to himself (Matt 16:27, Rev 22:12).

Sawyer says:

Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Here Jesus is saying the “Son of Man” is coming. We often take word meanings for granted. Some think this was Jesus just using a phrase from an Old Testement prophet and it was used by Ezekiel and Daniel and in Psalms but, the big point here is what that phrase meant to Jesus.

man = greek from Strongs concordance 444 anqrwpoV anthropos anth’-ro-pos from anhr – aner 435 and ops (the countenance; from 3700); man-faced, i.e. a human being:–certain, man.
reference:435 anhr aner an’-ayr a primary word (compare 444); a man (properly as an individual male):–fellow, husband, man, sir.
 
son = greek from Strongs concordance 5207 uioV huios hwee-os’ apparently a primary word; a “son” (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship:–child, foal, son.
 
of = greek from strongs concordance 5259 upo hupo hoop-o’ a primary preposition; under, i.e. (with the genitive case) of place (beneath), or with verbs (the agency or means, through); (with the accusative case) of place (whither (underneath) or where (below) or time (when (at)):–among, by, from, in, of, under, with. In the comparative, it retains the same general applications, especially of inferior position or condition, and specially, covertly or moderately.
 
man = greek from Strongs concordance 444 anqrwpoV anthropos anth’-ro-pos from anhr – aner 435 and ops (the countenance; from 3700); man-faced, i.e. a human being:–certain, man.
reference:435 anhr aner an’-ayr a primary word (compare 444); a man (properly as an individual male):–fellow, husband, man, sir.
 
Thus in longhand including the full range of meanings Jesus was for all intents and purposes saying he was a male child, foal, son, kin of/under/by human being.

Can you dispute these essential meanings to what Jesus said he would return as a human being again. Here is a confirmation:

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

So He will come in like manner as you have seen him go. What was that like manner? “he was taken up and a cloud received him out of their sight.

But perhaps we don’t know the authority of who these are: “two men stood by them in light/bright/brilliant apparel” as they don’t say any more about them.

white = 3022 leukos {lyoo-kos’} from luke (“light”); TDNT – 4:241,530; adj AV – white 25; 25 1) light, bright, brilliant

Here is another strong collaboration in the way Moses said the next coming would be and if Moses was also God the Father’s servant, would there be a strong likihood that his saying how they’d see the next coming:

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

From a Bible dictionary: Son of Man = In the New Testament it is used forty-three times as a distinctive title of the Saviour. In the Old Testament it is used only in Ps. 80:17 and Dan. 7:13 with this application. It denotes the true humanity of our Lord. He had a true body (Heb. 2:14; Luke 24:39) and a rational soul. He was perfect man.

Thus the reference to his coming is in human flesh, correct, not as a spirit. So the question now is how will we experience his coming and will it be everyone on the planet and if so how will it be interpreted. Will everyone know it’s Jesus. Will he come with the same flesh he had before?

The evidence is that He certainly will not use the same name for if he was planning on using the same name why wouldn’t he have said, “I will come back…”. No, what he says is a human being will come back with a name other than Jesus because we are not to believe anyone who comes “in my name”

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Now there are two conditions he mentions here. Many shall come “in my name”, that’s the name he had which was “Jesus” but it’s those that use that name and also say they are Christ, so we can discount those humans who are born with the name, Jesus but who don’t claim to be Christ.

Did anyone come saying they were Jesus and directly or indirectly infer they were Christ, the annointed one?

Yes, absolutely and right on the heals of Jesus departure:

First account:

Act 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
Act 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Act 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Act 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

Second Account:

Act 22:6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.
Act 22:7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
Act 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

Note: as we can see the stories are mixed up with those with him on the one hand “hearing a voice” and then on the other hand “heard not the voice of him that spake to me” (I might guess it possible that as there were more than one men accompanying him, one could have heard it and the other not).

Third account:

Act 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Act 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
Act 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Act 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

So yes, false christs, false prophets whom he said would be in “sheeps clothing” in other words appear to be sheep which no other group can that apply to than those who wrap themselves in belief in Jesus and count themselves his elect than many Christians. That is sheeps clothing, so the false prophets will basically be Christian preachers and today that would include bloggers, though each must be tested by what they actually say to determine if they are saying things that are untrue/false.

Henry said:
 
Jesus knew however that when He left many false Christ would arise after Him to lead the people astray so He gave the desciples the signs to look for of His coming so that we are not deceived. We read for example:

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before. 26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matt 24:24-27)

Sawyer says:

So those that are looking for him, if they are told to go here or there, they will know not to find Jesus or the human being who is not named Jesus there.

Note: Regarding Ti and Do. No one is saying you can go find them, Father and Son anywhere and especially now as they have left their physcial bodies. And when they were here, on the one time period of 3 1/2 years almost to the day perhaps, no one knew where they were at any given moment until a poster showed up advertising a meeting. Thus there was never a time they had set up shop somewhere to gather people to them. In fact many looked for them and could not find them as they had no one place to lay their heads.

So now a big clue, I’ll repeat:

Mt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

“AS lightning”

As = greek strongs 5618 wsper hosper hoce’-per from wV – hos 5613 and per – per 4007; just as, i.e. exactly like:–(even, like) as.
 
So it might be clearer to say:

“Just as lightning…” It’s not saying it is lightning. It’s saying it’s “as” or “just as” which means alike to in the way in which it is seen/experienced.

So lets really delve into this word used here as Lightning because of how many people are banking on this being the key description of Jesus return:

lightning = 796 astraph astrape as-trap-ay’ from astraptw – astrapto 797; lightning; by analogy, glare:–lightning, bright shining.
reference: 797 astraptw astrapto as-trap’-to probably from asthr – aster 792; to flash as lightning:–lighten, shine.
Reference: 792 asthr aster as-tare’ probably from the base of strwnnumi – stronnumi 4766; a star (as strown over the sky), literally or figuratively:–star.
Reference:4766 strwnnumi stronnumi strone’-noo-mee, stronnuo strone-noo’-o, prolongation from a still simpler stroo stro’-o, (used only as an alternate in certain tenses) (probably akin to stereoV – stereos 4731 through the idea of positing); to “strew,” i.e. spread (as a carpet or couch):–make bed, furnish, spread, strew.
Reference: 4731 stereoV stereos ster-eh-os’ from isthmi – histemi 2476; stiff, i.e. solid, stable (literally or figuratively):–stedfast, strong, sure.
2476 isthmi histemi his’-tay-mee a prolonged form of a primary stao stah’-o (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively):–abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up). Compare tiqhmi – tithemi 5087.
 
Here is a sentence comprised of the most well rounded definition I can come up with based on all the Strongs references to what the word meant.

lightning = lightning, bright and shining/flashing, a star that is strown, strewn or spread, even carpeting in a stiff, strong, stedfast way as to stand and abide, bring, continue, covenant, establish something over the sky.

This starts in the east and shines to the west.

So a bright star like object that spreads itself out over the area east to west it compasses.

Could that be a comet? After all, every eye can see that, right! It doesn’t say the human being will be hanging out of it or riding on top of it. The tail of a comet “spreads” and it’s interesting the play on words in the greek as we see many times the great word is very close to the english word. In this case I’m referring to Stereo in greek that to english means TWO. HaleBopp had two tails. Ti and Do were TWO (witnesses).

Henry said:

In spite of these clear warnings given by Jesus Himself that we should not go after another who is already on earth and claiming to be Him but rather to look for His appearing as the lighting flashes from East to West the heaven’s gate group rejects these very words. They claim that Jesus does not need to appear in this way but that His coming is phased and it is up to us to be able to recognize if when he is here. To reject Jesus’ words here and to say that Ti and Do are God and Jesus incarnate is nothing but a lie in the face of the Bible. Whom do we trust? The Bible, the revealed word of God or do we trust another who contradicts this very word?

Sawyer says:

Ti and Do and students are not on Earth now so I’m in no way telling you by considering who they are, to go someplace to find them, so will you please cancel out that accusation. They didn’t claim to be Jesus. They said Jesus was the name of the body, what they called a vehicle and that vehicle was not coming back. They said in 1975 publically that they were “from the same family as Jesus and his Father” so cancel out the second accusation in that paragraph too. No it didn’t say in this scripture “Jesus would appear as lightning”, It said “so shall also the coming of the Son of man be”. In other word his coming would be LIKE, or AS what is described. Even so, that’s his “coming”. If someone comes to visit you, do you automatically see how they arrive. No, you have to watch for them to see them and watching for them in the case of Jesus means watching for the “signs of the Son of Man”, which are in what he SAYS and DOES that will demonstrate full consistancy with what He said and did before, but in new “tongues” but that will come to us via some public announcement, the media, and will of course be mostly hated by all those that don’t have any of his Holy Spirit in them.

But say He comes in some type of godly spacecraft and he was inside it. Would it not fulfill this prophecy for him to come though no one could actually see what he physcially looked like as he was inside the spacecraft, thus another false assumption.

Regarding what I said about his coming being phased or in stages. I say that because of other scritures that say he will come as a thief, come as a “son of man” again but not named “jesus” so it has to be a mystery given there are billions of “sons of human”. Will he be glowing bright white light? Is that how we will know him. If so, how come he didn’t come what way any other time. Yet this is apparantly the “end time”, the “Last Day” or maybe that doesn’t seem to be so to you which would explain some of your blatent refusal and critical uninformed strong opinions/condemnations/accusations.

It’s just that these indicators of his return don’t seem to be describing just one major event and it is probably futile to try to demonstrate that to someone who is set against considering it, but you keep engaging me so I’ll keep responding.

And yes it is up to us to recognize him in his new human clothing as he told us to observe and keep oil in our lamps to be able to see when he comes. He said to Watch! If it’s going to be that obvious entirely like lightning then what’s so hard about watching observing? You said the idea that Ti and Do are members of the Kingdom of God serving as Father and Son is a lie, but have not shown anything I can’t easily with many proves shoot down in your reasoning and you cited no scriptures that disproves that it could very well be them. I know well this is very tough. Many are very programmed to not accept anything real as the return of Jesus. It’s just like politics and especially now. Not that I’m into Obama in any way, but the fact is very clear that anything he does is and will be met with great opposition just for the sake of opposition, though there will always be a myrid of justifications because no one in his oppostion wants him to get any credit for changing anything for the better as it would then cost them their next election. It’s all exceedingly broken but that is just one of the many Luciferian strategies to program humans with every form of opposition to anyone’s recognition of the Kingdom of God.

You trust the Bible you say, but the evidence in many of our conversations is that you don’t understand it’s words very well, yet you trust your misunderstanding enough to condemn and call a liar someone who does provide a great deal of detail scriptural and commonsensical contextual understanding of scripture using well documented Greek to English dictionaries. Again what is the contradiction you speak of? A contradiction as I understand the definition is a juxtaposed view and negates what we say we think or believe, and when we should know we are doing that, then we should be willing to admit our hypocrisy. I haven’t heard you site the contradictions. Just because you say it doesn’t make it so except for those in your corner of the ring who want to cheer you on no matter the value of what you say.

Henry said:

Could these two therefore be the Two Witnesses of God – not if they contradict the very word of God they cannot be. More importantly they do not fit into neither the prophesy nor the criteria to fulfill the prophesy surrounding the ministry of the Two Witnesses.

Sawyer says:

I agreed that they don’t fit if one just looks at the King James Translation of Greek to English and takes things metaphorical as strictly literal, though I do believe and have faith that everythng the Kingdom of God provides us has a literal application and practical way to understand it. I know well there are some Christians that ONLY use the King James and would say changing even one word in the translation is sacreligious and herectical. But I’m not the one that gives a bunch of ways to interpret apo-kteino. In some places in Revelations it’s “slay” and in other places it’s “murder” and in others “kill” and in it’s roots, “kill in ANY WAY, as the contraction indicates a haulting, or stopping as the core meaning. I’m not making that up. It was interesting that in your previous post that we began this back and forth, the very commment I posted that translated much of Rev. 11, you failed at that time to approve while saying that you were all for talking scripture.

Henry said:

The Bible makes clear to us that the Two Witnesses complete their ministry during the opening of the 7th Seal at a time when the 5th angel (of the seven having the seven trumpets and the last seven plagues to judge the earth) sounded. These events occur after the 6th seal when the heavens were opened and when Jesus gathers those that are His to Himself. We know this because in Revelations 9 the 5th angel sounded and released the angel of the bottomless pit which I believe is the same beast of the bottomless bit which made war with the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11 and killed them following the end of their ministry.

Sawyer says:

You stated inaccuratly re: the “bottomless pit” statements being the “same”.

“Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.”
 
And here is the Rev. 11 scripture you said was the same reference:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill(greek apokteino = also means to stop/hault, kill in ANY WAY) them.

In the Rev. 9 example there is no mention of a “beast coming out of the bottomless pit”, though I would venture to say it may be of the same affect, as it appears to be some type of weapon of war which would be part of the beastial empire, whereas in Rev. 11 it’s said as a beast though that beast needs to be personified somehow to do a killing.

overcome = 3528 nikaw nikao nik-ah’-o
 from nikh – nike 3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively):–conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.
3529 nikh nike nee’-kay
 apparently a primary word; conquest (abstractly), i.e. (figuratively) the means of success:–victory.

Side note: Do and crew wore “Nike” tennis shoes to their laying down of their physical bodies event. The moto of Nike is “Do it” which sounds like Do (as in the name of Ti and Do, so Doe it – do it like Do. “Thy will be Done” what every student must embrace to convince the Older Member of their sincerity. This was no Jim Jones event by far. That was a facsimili, the only way a Luciferian can do, which is why it was such an confused, mixed up, deceitful and manipulative horrific event that included children that could never have decided to take that action and they were prodded and pushed and even threatened with death by gunshot if they didn’t go along. Some were hunted down by Jim Jones henchmen. Why did they have armed guards anyway. Perhaps that was a dangerous area to live in, thus justified having some weapons but as they were under investigation and Jim Jones had already been accused of crimes, to him he was primed by Luciferians to stage such an event. Also on this side note that probably had nothing to do with their Nike choice. The word Overcome in Greek is rooted in the word, nike:
3529 nikh nike nee’-kay
 apparently a primary word; conquest (abstractly), i.e. (figuratively) the means of success:–victory.

I know this seems like a big stretch but though this is not a comical event by any means and especially to those who still counted these 38 their loved ones, but one of the ways the Kingdom of God does sort of play, is to line up language development in such a way as to have what seems like coincidental spellings and meanings that hold over into another language. After all, all the languages have the same root for each civilization and the Next Level uses language as a way to sort Spirits/Souls into grades in the overall school. Those that know how lacking languages all come to be, are not often convinced of anything by words alone and they often seek the simple, practical minded, even common sense ways of seeing any situation which in the case of history requires some digging to the origins of the words used and their context, both physically and mentally.

These 38 students had overcome their humanness by voluntarily and gladly exiting their human bodies with their Older Member. They had accumulated enough of the mind from their Older Member’s Ti and Do to KNOW laying down their body would not result in the death of their essence, the Soul gifted to them that they strove to fill with only Next Level mind, in seeking to do everything their Older Member gave them to do, which is how the Older Member knows they are free from the rebelliousness of the Luciferians. These students had become “as little children” in their trust of Do though to the world who can not or do not want to know Do’s voice, it was a bizarre cult manipulation and a tragedy. Not all the loved ones actually saw it like that. Sure most hurt from their loss of someone they loved but some knew this was what their loved ones wanted and had actually worked to stay a part of. It’s of course harder for the loved ones of those that were only in the group 3-4 years and in one case less than a year. Ti and Do told us as we walked out the doors of our lives in 1975 that the loved ones we left behind would receive extra help to deal with our leaving them behind. Even so, I suspect those have to accept that help to benefit from it and it may never translate as help to their physical body/mind. They must reach for that help and when it comes embrace it.

But there were many humans who when they observed that event or read about it, knew there was something very, very different about this group that seperated them from anything else they had heard about that entailed anything that sounded like religious fanaticism. I know this as I’ve met people who have told me that. It doesn’t mean they are pursuing the basis of such a feeling but it may be an indicator of who some of the 144,000 true overcomers are, those that were given Souls during the generations since the late 1940’s.

But regarding the “beast ascending from the pit” example used, If we weren’t so engadged in proving/disproving these implications I wouldn’t harp on this difference but it’s far too easy to make very large assumptions, even thinking they are educated choices and then base what else we think, say and do on the initial erroneous state of mind.

The bottom line is that the Kingdom of God can allow as many things to come out of what is depicted here as the bottomless pit as they want. Smoke ascending from it sounds to me like a volcano. How do we know during the previous civilization on Earth’s end, saying for instance as it’s reported in certain mythologies and the story of Atlantis that may have some accurate points in it as most things do, the humans then did have significant technological development, so if they followed the course human governments and private corporations are executing as we speak and have been in earnest since at least the Reagan years, they are building underground facilities at an alarming pace, so when the Next Level comes for one last time that will not be in an “undercover” way, by incarnating into prepared human vehicles, as these governments will not be able to fight against them they will run and hide in the rocks and dens as it says in revelations and in so doing sort of entomb themselves in their dungeon for the next 1000 years. Then the Next Level can redo the surface as they orchestrate to where these humans and of course human equivilent Luciferian space aliens can not escape. That might be as easy as putting an ocean at their entrances. The humans no doubt have built many of these underground cities to withstand flooding but an ocean is another story. Yet another scenrio is to have a glacier construct and/or move mountains worth of rocks over their entrances or in some cases an entrance could be sealed with lave flows that then cool and harden or they could take a large meteor or asteroid and specifically aim it to hit the earth at each entrance which is composed of diamond materials that then are hit again to drive them deep so that no human tools to try to dig out are possible. What we do know is that the Next Level certainly has ways to seal up those they want to allow to stay alive for a while, so they can be brought back again for a new stage in the next harvest to be advasarial so students will have the appropriate challenge to grow their mind muscle from.

While I’m at it, in the next few key verses (that by the way are designed in such a way as to be useful to be accurate applicable at more than one time. For instance the first prophecy is the actual Two Christs, but then when they leave, those remnant that believes they were the rep and ask them for service then will be witnessing to these Two and thus could be called the TWO Witnesses all over again and the Kingdom of God can give these student workers the powers outlined just as the Father did to the Jesus disciples after Jesus left.:

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall (lie in) the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Note: Here “dead bodies” is treated as one greek word, ptoma which directly means, a ruin, fall, failure, defeat) and then the words, “shall lie” were entirely added to I suppose round out their interpretation in line with Kill and dead.

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

dead bodies = greek: 4430 ptwma ptoma pto’-mah
 from the alternate of piptw – pipto 4098; a ruin, i.e. (specially), lifeless body (corpse, carrion):–dead body, carcase, corpse.
4098 piptw pipto pip’-to,
 peto pet’-o; (which occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses); probably akin to petomai – petomai 4072 through the idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively):–fail, fall (down), light on.
4072 petomai petomai pet’-om-ahee,
 petaomai pet-ah’-om-ahee, or contracted ptaomai ptah’-om-ahee middle voice of a primary verb; to fly:–fly(-ing).
4431 ptwsiV ptosis pto’-sis
 from the alternate of piptw – pipto 4098; a crash, i.e. downfall (literally or figuratively):–fall.

There are clues here that suggest this is no an ordinary killing/stoppage of these two. As how are nations going to see their dead bodies. Logic would say, there was a media involved. Thus a televised large meeting could have been a possability. Ti and Do told us to be on the lookout for a large meeting advertised as television cameras are certainly not going to come to the small meetings we held unless there was already a great deal of publicity surrounding the event.

Then another point…these cameras are going to be trained on these dead bodies for 3 1/2 days? Even if that wasn’t non stop wouldn’t authorities have a hard time with allowing that in a public place. When does a dead body begin to smell. Now if it was set up ahead of time as an event they needed to plan for, like for a magic trick, one could understand it. They could put the bodies into some type of enclosure that was see through, like a glass coffin for instance so when they awoke they could simply open the door, but this would take cooperation and what would be the motive for such cooperation unless they were paid to cooperate. But these Two witnesses are dressed in sackcloth which is the clothing of either a poor person or the clothing of a mourner, if that was the picture John was trying to relay so their having funds to pay for cooperation seems unlikley and as with Jesus, he certainly didn’t seem to be interested in nor holding of monetary wealth as that was even against his nature and task to be identified with.

It’s interesting that Ti and Do never talked with us about these other interpretations. When they cancelled having public meetings with Ti saying “the harvest is over” on April 21, 1976, they later said “the demonstration” (as they called being killed and resurrected) “was cancelled because the students weren’t ready to leave” and then later said that they felt the mission “shot down/killed” when Walter Cronkite announced their human names and said they had some criminal record on national TV. You would think, when they were not being public anymore and when it seemed less likly that anyone would “kill” them, their students would have thought they were charlatans for saying they would be killed. They did expect such, though they never cherished the idea. And some early students no doubt did leave in part because that didn’t pan out as they initially said, but their core students, it didn’t phase as they were not engaged because of the scriptural prophecy. They just knew their voices. That was my response. It was after leaving them and then after their “exit” in 1997 and my reengaging my application to be in their service that I began to examine every word of that and other prophecies. All along, though they didn’t want believers to leave their following, they didn’t hesitate to deliver information or foster events they felt were “instruction” from their unseen helpers, Ti’s Heavenly Father and/or the angels assigned to assist them, that they knew would test many of the students resolve to stay the course. I have many very concrete examples of how they were unlike any other group in this and many other regards, traditional or cultish.

I don’t disbelieve that two references to the Bottomless pit have their similarities. For instance maybe the US drones are these “locusts”. The beast is personified in governments as governments are never, no matter what they say servants of the Kingdom of God, individual are, if they choose to be. And since most humans are under the influence of Luciferian programming and misinformation, deceit in many ways and have constant governmental waring they could certainly be considered to have been let out, “the luciferians who stimulate this human behaviour” from the bottomless pit. I could be all wrong about the locusts identify but I doubt they are literal insects in this example.

Now the other aspect that is noteworthy to your scriptural backed claims against Ti and Do being the Two Witnesses because you say, “Jesus gathers those that are His to Himself”.

Perhaps you are referring to this scripture that is following the opening of the 5th seal:

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

…and this is followed by what appears to be one of a number of depictions of the “last day”, as it says in 6:17 “great day of his wrath” that may be a very short time and may for us extend over some years. That might depend on the time needed for the 144,000 to be sealed. The Kingdom of God knows who they are but they each need to find a human vehicle/body that is enough of a thirsty seeker/observer/watcher to want to become a student in the next Next Level Classroom that begins when they decide to give their allegience to Ti and Do (which will always be in degrees but degrees that will grow because there is no resting on laurals):

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

or you might be referring to the sealing of the 144,000 and their being harvested “dieing in Christ” as depicted here:

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

I say the song is Ti Do. They chose the identity of musical notes, perhaps to fulfill prophecy as I’ve pointed out Jesus did at times though they do so in their own way according to what they feel is their instruction from their Older Members, the way it always works with younger members looking to older members, not at all wanting to be see as the head honcho with all the power and control.

But for the record another song that only those who are willing to believe in Ti and Do will sing that we did sing in the classroom, individually whenever we wanted to ourselves as a type of prayer, petition for help and service:

Help me have no human ways
No thoughts of self
No faults to see
only the ways of space

Now I know my heart is fast
In my Father’s path at last
Only the Ways of Space
Only the ways of spa-ace

(This is sung to the melody of the song by Bach, entitled, “Jesus, Meine Freund”)

And here is one of the many depictions of the standards to be “born of spirit/soul” that we must do while taking control of an assigned by God human flesh body:

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins(means=have ceased having sex). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile(deceit): for they are without fault before the throne of God.

OR maybe you were referring to:

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude(many people), which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

and…

Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation(pressure), and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

There are quite a few examples of those who find favour with the Lord and Lamb, Father and Son(Jesus), who overcame their humanness keeping the commandments of the Father/Lord God and Son/Jesus Son/Moses a big part of which is keeping their vehicle’s mind clear of discarnate(dead human) evil(trouble making human behavioral/mammalian, carnal level/strata/condition/programmed) influences aka spirits/ghosts.

Then yes the Rev. chapter 11 prophecy of the Two witnesses takes place following the 7th seal that instigate a silent period in Heaven. The problem with looking at all this as a precise order in terms of time is that the entire sequences are like watching a movie with big sections that are out of time or are complete overviews from a particular perspective.

However, in general the first appearance of the 7 angles you know have 7 trumphets and it’s during the sounding of the 6th trumphet that the Two Witnesses are depicted which coordinates with the 2nd woe. Thus if we are looking for the events depicted in the first 6 angels with trumphets to occur in a way we can be certain took place, then that is putting a stumbling block in front of yourself and not opening your eyes to the larger picture. For instance when you examine the 7 angels who have vials to pour onto the earth and people with the mark of the beast it’s very, very interesting that there is no trumpets there, no prior announcements. The announcements already took place before that time and that time is after the Two Witnesses have exited into the Heavens from whence they came.

In other words the entire start of Revelations is geared to announcing, declaring, crying out, sounding the trumphet, prophesizing, waring with the two edged sword of the Father and Lamb’s tongue. And it’s not until after the first harvest, those who are given white robes and are with the lamb around his throne that the next phase kicks in that will include the most tribulation in the area of the world where the Next Level had been physically most active. And this would be what some see as the pretrib rapture – the rising from the ashes to a new life for the cream of the crop, those who gave, their all, washed their robes (bodies of human mammalian ways sufficently), and thus overcame and followed the lamb wherever he went and had no guile, anger or deceit, were like children in their trust, had bonded sufficiently with their assigned Older Member.

Then all who remain get the chance to make sense out of all this and decide (the judgement time) whether they will give their overall allegience to Ti and Do, who no longer have a physical presense so can’t be worshipped except by seeking to adapt their ways to themselves or not. If not then there is no Next Level live in them and they just take their evolutionary course of perishing while some are preserved for the start of the next civilization went these remnant souls who were “saved” are brought back for their next “trimester” of school/birth.

However, I have attempted to address all this in detail:

I have studied the related scriptures re: the 6th and 7th seal, 5th angel and two witnesses as you suggest show that the two witnesses have not yet come, as well as all the contextual scriptures around these. And I have looked at others have said about these and I am well aware of the many views, some of which declare that the Book of Revelations as a whole does not fit into a strict chronological depiction of God’s interactions with the Earth/Humans in Their promised return and the Last “Judgement” Day. However, as you may know there is a chronology of events essentially surrounding the 7 seals, 7 angels with 7 trumphets and later with 7 vials, mingled with the 3 woes, the 4 horns, 4 angels with the 4 winds, 7 spirits/eyes over the 7 churches, etc. However, it is also evident that there are types of seeming repetitions of events. We must pay special attention to the fact that John is being shown these things that all pertain to the future, though reference the past, as with the first three chapters that speak directly to each of the then existing 7 churches whom he is instructed to send what he is being given to.

Then there are the “players” so to speak to consider, the Lord who sits on the throne who evidences being the Lord/God the Father, the Lamb, “Son of Man”, Jesus, The four living beings that are labeled with the english word, “beast” which is a big mistake as it’s not the same word as the beast from the bottomless pit, the former working for the Kingdom of God and the later reflecting wild beastial acting humans however organized into governments, etc. Then there are the 24 elders that were born into the Kingdom and have their own “seats” around the throne which brings to mind Jesus saying to his close disciples, (paraphrased), “in my Father’s house there are many dwelling places…I will go to prepare a place (seat/task) for each of you”. Then there are those who died apparantly giving their personal testimony of their experience with Jesus and those who are still “giving their lives, physically and mentally” to God the Lamb that will result in their dying “in Christ”. Then there are those who are “sealed” which is also a term called being “marked” as both the Kingdom of God and the Human Beasts have a way to mark their own. The entire “jugdgement time” is based on who we each decide to give our allegience to, God vs Mammon, which is to the Kingdom of God through their representatives sent to us vs to Humans which includes the human equivilent Space aliens that are often depicted as “birds” (flying dragon/(even reptilian) serpents/hissers – deceiving manipulators of the truth about the Kingdom of God). And finally there are the false prophet players who are those that appear to be prophets but are wolves in sheeps clothing and this is very clearly all who are the leaders and speakers preachers, evangelically active prostelitizing humans that most often are associated with any number of spiritual and/or religious organizations (sects/cults).

Not having the ability to see the actual manuscript chunks and fragments that were analysed and formed into “books” of the Bible and in particular the Book of Revelations, I have no way beyond evaluating each part whether the order given us is the order of these visions/dreams as they were received by John as I doubt he got all 22 chapters all in one experience.

The Book actually seems to clearly demonstrate various vantage points, even each with their own overview that has a start and a finish. For instance chapter’s 1, 2, 3 addressing the current groups of believers in Jesus (at the time John was still alive in a physical human body), 4 and 5 introducing “players” on the Kingdom of God side and related to the Book of Life, 6 and 7 (chronology of events starting with the Lamb (white horse and rider) but including overall overview), 8,9, and 10 the 7 angels with trumphets, 11 the Two Witnesses(Christs) prophecy arrival and departure, 12 an entire overview, 13 a focus on the human beast like organizations, 14 the overall harvests of overcomers, the cutting of the wheat which we know takes place after the weeds have been removed (according to Jesus in his illustration of the Wheat and the Tares growing together), 15 and 16 the angels/events of the 7 angels with vials (the physical execution of the events depicted by the angels with sounding trumphets), 17 and 18 the downfall of Babylon (the new one), 19 details in the war for souls, 20 the actual judgement of the dragon and false prophets and all those not in the book of life, 21 and 22 the Temple of God the Father and Son physcially with those who graduated and were saved for a future graduation opportunity and a new heaven (not talking about the abode of members of the Kingdom of God) and new (reconditioned) Earth will all the weeds/tares removed/recycled.

But before a detailed analysis of the Seven Angels with trumphets and later with vials parts of Revelations, I’ll correct what you said.

The only references within Chapter 11 that contains the Two Witnesses prophecy referring to the “angel sounding (their trumphet)” are here:

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

As this is saying the “second woe is past, and the two witnesses prophecy is right before this, I think it fairly safe to conclude the two witnesses were related to the second woe that just past and the 6th angel’s sounding since the 7th and last sounds AFTER the two witnesses came and exited.

And with this introduction here is my 7 angels overview, a lengthy work that I will publish seperatly from this post: I apologize that there is some repetition here with what I have just written about. It still needs lots of work but there is a ton of information here that anyone who has interest in the Bible should be able to gleen something from even if they don’t end up believing in Ti and Do.

* seven 7 angels with seven 7 trumphets:

Note these 7 angels spoken of in Rev. 8-11 all have trumphets and sound the voices of their trumphets. In other words they communicate, having information to deliver. This isn’t reflective of magic, except in the way humans don’t understand the mechanics these depictions actually represent. The term “angels” are not winged cherubs. They are depicted with wings because they are said to “fly” through the sky(heavens) but before there were flying forms of transportation, birds and insects were the only evidence of any ability of something living to fly thus these “angels” were illustrated by artists with “wings”. (eg “Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,…”)

It is of special note that these 7 Angels are not depicted as flying. A flying angel if it was able to be seen by humans with or without technology would usually appear with a “natural disguise” like a cloud or asteriod or meteor or comet or star. I am aware that the Kingdom of God can show us whatever they want to show us and They may at times show some one thing while others another.

An angel in the Greek and Hebrew had the same meaning:

Angel = Greek: 32 aggelos {ang’-el-os} from aggello [probably derived from 71, cf 34] (to bring tidings); a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God

Angel = Hebrew: 04397 mal’ak {mal-awk’} from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; TWOT – 1068a; n m AV – angel 111, messenger 98, ambassadors 4, variant 1; 214, a messenger, representative

Thus these 7 angels are simply communicating, the method of which isn’t indicated clearly except in saying they are sounding their trumphet.

A trumphet is mechanism to make an announcement, the reason the early Jews, even many to date have in their brains that the messiah would come blowing a shofar, a lambs horn on the Jerusalem Temple mount. It’s a public way of making a loud announcement. What is being announced is the messenger’s VOICE.

Everything in the Book of Revelations, though figurative has a literal manifestation that human beings are the intended audience for. Messenger(s) sent by the Kingdom of God to deliver a message of what’s to come is both informative and a call to consider changing one’s mind (repentence), as no matter what we think about our relationship with the Kingdom of God, it can always be improved upon. When we adopt more of the thinking and behaviors given to us from the Kingdom of God through their messengers aka ambassadors or representatives, we are in a real sense swapping out our human, carnal, mammalian ways of thinking and acting for the examples provided us through the representative(s) sent to us (as a human genetic tree) in times past, passed down and providing that trees current leaves to choose to implement or not.

Now, some may wonder, why the Kingdom of God doesn’t just broadcast as with a loudspeaker or some sort of concrete way to deliver to each human the message rather than operate with such secrecy. It’s because that would be manipulative of us. We would not have a chance to build our recognition and the faith that comes with increased recognition and because many are not asking God to receive what’s next for us to understand and do. Others who are asking in a way would have a hard time understanding and relating to their lives what is being transmitted as few want to change to a greater unknown while everyone is in a slightly different place of understanding and desire to have moreorless a relationship with the Kingdom of God. So the Kingdom of God periodically sends a trusted representative in an undercover way that we can’t clearly identify as having come from the Kingdom of God. This is the best way to provide those who are asking a huge opportunity, but one they must be willing to take a “leap of faith” to embrace fully.

“Undercover” is to come as one of us, as Moses said, …the return would be “just like me”, “born of flesh” aka a “son of huMAN”. The Soul of the sent representative literally prepares a particular human body who is asking or if still a baby one that would not otherwise survive to start interfacing with gradually until the time that they need to begin the task they came to do. In the case of Jesus, that task began formally when he began interfacing with the public starting with John the Baptist at which time John witnesses the Kingdom of God’s soul body entering more fully into the body Jesus. This way Jesus could spoon feed new updated thinking and acting to those humans who were also prepared to receive him and would in turn also become a willing host (though they didn’t know it, to a student Soul being given their next best opportunity to move closer to an eventual graduation into membership in the Kingdom of God.

Now in a large way when a representative is sent, they bring with them Their consciousness, or a certain amount of it, from the Kingdom of God which translates to the human kingdom as upgrades to all behavior and ways and at the same time stimulates advances and exploration in every department of the human environment. The bursting of new ideas are not met with enthusiasm by those that were not born at the time when the main burst of Kingdom of God representative “holy” Mind/Spirit is provided so it’s presense also stimulates the negative to become stronger to hold it’s ground.

Thus when you see large shifts in advancements, more open mindedness to new ideas, more willingness to status the status quo in any department of life, even if there are life or comfort level threats to doing so as well as trends in behavioral change and extremes, then we can know that the Kingdom of God representative(s), as they operate in crews though most are hidden from human view, is at “hand” – in other words, the representatives are in the area, within the Earth environment and are even operating through human vehicles they prepared ahead of time to receieve their more advanced MINDS. (Advancement is different for a member of the Kingdom of God and for a human).

Also when it’s said that an angel sounded, the term angel is not a singular term as the Kingdom of God operates in partnerships and crews, as Jesus had his Father (though hidden) with him and John the Baptist who recognized him, who was sent ahead to “prepare the way” as prophesized and the 11 of his closest disciples were as Jesus said, paraphrased, “given to Him by His Father, which he kept 11 of the 12” and Moses had the Lord in the cloud who would visit him and Aaron who the Lord also gave tasks to and Miriam and Joshua as his student helpers. Remember how Jesus sent out his 70 disciples in two’s and said, paraphrased, “where two or more are touching on any one thing in my name, I am in their midst. It’s more efficient as the two operate as “check partners” one for the other, helping them to be more objective to better discern and choose behavior and ways the rep from the Kingdom of God teaches regarding their task assignment.

Thus these 7 angels, messengers’ voice that is designed for human comprehension goes thru the incarnate representative assigned the task of interfacing IT to their student body and in process to all those who are given the Kingdom of God seed, to have the opportunity, some, in some way asked for, so to begin to become part of a future student body that could eventually lead to production of “fruit” for the Kingdom of God’s sake, as that’s why the “garden” and all it’s life forms are developmentally created.

The present incarnate representative takes the message, that actually has mulitple facets to it, a snapshot of which can be seen as the reason why Rev 18. references to the 7 angles who don’t have trumphets having a slightly different context and application detail, but the same core as demonstrated below, and applys it to their task priority which takes shape as a public delaration of shedding more light on what The Kingdom of God really is, why They are hear and what the requirements are to be included in a program that is focused on training to be a trusted member on their crew, actually performing tasks, some of which may be to be a messenger and another an observer/watcher and another in transportation, another in a laboratory for instance.

To think that the Kingdom of God isn’t many times more intricately organized and involved in a hands on way with every single aspect of the “creation” is like saying a corporation that makes computers doesn’t have their hands in every aspect of their product. To see the Kingdom of God as a strictly spiritual dimension that somehow willed into existence what we call “nature” is a generalization that was enough to understand for the early leaves off the human genetic tree, but as all things progressed and humans via technology advancements began to see and understand more of what was previously unable to be clearly detected and seen, more of the actual reality of the Kingdom of God’s design mechanics could also become seen and understood by those who were pressing for it, which renders those that still clung to the generalized understanding in a type of comparitive illusion.

However, person to person, it’s a continuous choice to cling to the past in understanding and ways or build upon what was given to us by the Kingdom of God in times past. The religions in general cling to the past as if there can be no updates, thus when the new representatives arrives and sounds the trumphet, it is met with anything but open arms from the religious leadership who often dictate to their followers how to think and act. These then become the “false prophets” as they look like “sheep” trying to adhere to certain aspects of the past information brought by the Kingdom of God and insisting that others must do so as well or else they are evil and condemned to the second death in the lake of fire as it has been prophesized. Little do they know, the humans who think of themselves as sheep of the Shepherd, or disciples of Jesus, their minds are being commondeered by the “wolves”, those predator “fallen angels” who are allowed by the Kingdom of God to be loosed to provide a testing criteria to all those who wish to proceed towards harvestability aka their Soul’s literal birth into membership in the Kingdom of God, what the Luciferians have convinced many will happen automatically by simply living by the 10 commmandments and paying homage/tithing to a religion and/or by belief alone, as we can witness in what’s been called the “born again” movement/mindset.

So these announcements and the calamities that follow in degrees of application are also the ways the Kingdom of God gives ALL humans many chances to “change their mind” from human “mind” to Kingdom of God “Mind”. In other words, the way the Kingdom of God works is to use their representatives on Earth, in physical human bodies as the mouthpieces, so for these angels to have sounded means their representatives are physically incarnate to do so, though those representatives don’t stay around for the calamities as that’s not their lesson material to deal with. (This is why some Christians argue that the “dead in Christ who rise first don’t experience the “tribulation” period. They don’t. The problem with this thinking is, that those who deam themselves the “dead in Christ” however they define “dead” did not estinguish all their human forms of sensuality which includes the sense stimulus of a mindset as in being religious or spiritual, or even intellectual as well as those forms of sensuality having to do with human sexuality and human family root systems. And even if there are some that to the best of their ability have tried to estinguish these fires, if they had not had a chance to do that while in the physical company of a present representative from the Kingdom of God then they would not have transferred to the new Kingdom of God family tree. In other words this is why some say you can’t earn your way into Heaven, as you can’t UNLESS you are literally and physically under the tutoring of the ONE true Older Member from the Kingdom of God sent to us to be our midwife, or shepherd or spouse. They are absolutely needed to give us the step by step process that has been termed “overcoming” the human condition/world. And this is what the sounding angels will be indicating the timing to be expressed. The voice will not be a threat so much as a notification of who is talking and what’s needed to reap the promised rewards. But then what of the calamities described in the sounding of each angel’s trumphet?

Calamities essentially provide people the choice to seek God’s help, in whatever language they think about God, or not and based upon that response the Kingdom of God will at times help those whom they determine are sincere to even physically survive the calamity or will keep that spirit or soul safe from being recycled(second death), so the Soul can be nurtured towards further growth. This is much like a pruning process of a gardener. They have to cut part of the plant off, killing some aspect of that bush in order to allow it to recover and come back stronger to produce the fruit it’s intended to produce. It’s not like the Kingdom of God promised anyone anything by allowing them to grow in the provided environment. Thus any life at all is in reality a gift to each of us. To curse the creator’s Kingdom and whoever the Admiral and Captain are at the helm of our particular garden experience is showing how little appreciation they have for even one day of life. Life becomes fully taken for granted by many. And this is also part of the garden experiment’s design to allow humans to become and think about whatever they want to become and think about regardless of how far off the reality track it is. But when humans begin to thrive off the backs of other humans to a degree that they begin to affect the production of fruit, new memberhip to the Kingdom of God, then it’s time that all the weeds be erradicated. The 7 angels demonstrate the process of that eradication of the weeds. Of course the weeds don’t think they are deserving of being pulled up and burned.

To follow are the scriptures regarding the “7 Angels with/without the trumphets” in Reveations.

Note the examples that follow the Angel’s sounds are physical changes to take place on Earth sometime in the future. It says in verse 8:6 that they “prepared themselves to sound”, and when the first angel sounds it says “there followed hail and fire…”. “follow could be 40 seconds to years our time, for example. In verse 8:8 the third part of the sea “(begins to)become” blood, as in 8:11 “became wormwood”, indicating a process, so it’s altogether possible some of these are in motion as we speak or that we on Earth have had some hints and examples that by paying attention to can alert us to how prophecy is being fulfilled that could bring us on a more open minded seeking of how the representatives may well be present or perhaps were preseant. Anyone that assumes they would KNOW when “the son of man from the Kingdom fo God” would return may in fact be the last to know, but at least as long as they are in a human vehicle they have a chance to still look.

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Rev 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Note: Thus servent(s) of the Lord at the disciple level and in particular the writer John will prophesy again…that means once again have a physical body (born of flesh is necessary to be born of Soul/Spirit/Mindtalk to people) spreading the information given him from a member of the Kingdom of God, in this case the Soul that was last using the human (son of man) vehicle named Jesus.

Now for reference I have included Rev. 11 as the last place we see evidence of the 7 Angels, with 7 trumphets, the last three of which are woe’s described: (I will re-translate using the Greek to English word origins from Strong’s concordance/dictionary a little later to show how Ti and Do and Students fulfilled it all, down to every verse.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Note: Again the seventh angel sounds and there are voices in heaven that declare who the King is. Heaven in this case just might be the electronic/satellite connected media and internet whose signals go thorought what has always been spoken about as a “heaven”, the sky, etc.

Then we have the seven angels appear again but this time with Vials:

Rev 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Below is a comparison between the 7 Angels with 7 trumphets (5,6,7 also have Woes) in Revelations 8,9,10,11 and the 7 Angels with Vials in Rev. 16 showing how they evidence being the same 7 Angels, but the Rev. 8, etc. all “sound” (the voice of the Trumphet thus has an announcement to them, thus are not implemented until the depiction of the 7 Angels with vials.

The vials are defined as wide shallow bowls or saucers and as we saw before contain some ingredients that when poured onto certain areas of the Earth environment stimulate a type of fumagation process. In other words, it kills whatever it’s directed to kill and in this case the garden is being weeded, so it is killing all those that a thriving but devouring even the fruit that the Kingdom of God planted, the reason for the Earth and life to begin with thus needs to be erradicated. Of course the weeds don’t see themselves as weeds and in some cases don’t know any better but it’s just a matter of a short time before they all die off anyway so the Kingdom of God is simply deciding to escalate that otherwise normal process so they can move on to the their next phase of beginning to plant a new garden plot. So here is the comparison:

Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

Note: that some of these seem to be what was depicted in various scriptures from the 4 gospels and previous Revelations scriptures.

First Angel: Both speak of affecting the Earth(land) and resulting in bloodshed:

Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled(mixed) with blood(shed), and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

These sores could be any number of diseases that afflict humans. The reason only those with mark of the beast are afflicted is because those that seek to be in the keeping of the Kingdom of God are asking for help whenever they have a problem and the Kingdom of God, depending on their sincerity, that the Kingdom of God knows, as being in the keeping means asking the Kingdom of God regularily to be in their service with a willingness to give their lives physically and mentally. Thus they get help to steer away from those things that stimulate the breakdown of the vehicle’s immune system to stave off diseases. It doesn’t mean these don’t also experience difficulities. They simply put it in the kingdom of God’s hands while seeking solutions the kingdom of God might provide that might be a nutritional program or ceasing certain behaviors and/or using certain techniques to help the vehicle adapt to new mental attitudes.

Second Angel: They both include the Seas being affected:

Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
Rev 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Third Angel: Both affect the Rivers and fountains and bring death to humans and other creatures. When something becomes blood it’s because of bloodshed, same meaning in Greek:

Rev 16:4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
Rev 16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
Rev 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Rev 16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Note the reference to “fell a great star from heaven” one of at least two depictions:
 Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Forth Angel: Both of these affect the Sun, possibly to cause lots of sun spots that send more heat to the Earth. Sure a certain amount of global warming is recorded but here is the biggest reason for it, not human pollution as bad as that is. Many humans don’t have any desire nor perception of the creator’s kingdom so do/say anything to justify what they otherwise have zero control over.

Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Note: This also seems to relate directly to:
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
So the seals go hand in hand with both the warnings sounded of events to come and the events themselves, the seals pertaining more to the reponses of those who experience the warnings and events.

Fifth Angel: Both have to do with the (SEAT of The) BEAST(2342 therion = beastial(wild) humans) and the bottomless pit, where the BEAST is said to ascend out of, as seen in the references below:

Scriptural References where beastial humans are implicated:
 Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
 Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
 Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
 
Rev 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Referenced to “star fall from heaven”:
 Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Sixth Angel: Both have to do with the river Euphrates

Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Note: This may be one of the “spirits like frogs” coming out of each of the mouth’s of dragon/devil (fallen Luciferian based space aliens), beast (human who act like animals as predators, even though it can look normal, like business as usual) and false prophet, the staunch religionists – “wolves in sheeps clothing”.

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Seventh Angel: Both demonstrate a Voice that announces being DONE/Finished.

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the MYSTERY of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

By the time this seventh voice begins to sound, the “Son of Man”, the Lamb of God, The Son of the Father from Heaven, known 2000 years ago as Jesus the Christ, would have completed, at least the promised returned phase of coming as one of us again (as a Son of huMAN), though the time period as it says in Rev. 10:7, “in the days of the voice…” for humans is certainly of some duration, but spoken of in “days”, which in addition to the modern meaning of 24 hours simply means a short period of time, but in God’s time an hour is like nearly 40 years using the 1 day for God is 1000 years for humans formula that Peter spoke of.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

I say this statement that “it is done, the MYSTERY OF GOD should be finished, according to the Present “servants, the prophets”, because John was told he had to prophesize AGAIN, thus referring to the last time he prophesized 2000 years ago, as evidenced by his letters and this writing which he may have distributed to some degree before his body died is saying that the Soul called Jesus must have completed what he said he would upon his return.

Whatever is the instrument of this on earth will be revealing, “show us plainly/directly of the Father”, no more in parables/stories so there will no longer be a mystery in interpretations. However, does this mean all those who are tossing around interpretations will recognize the Mystery revealed. It’s a case by case basis.

This seventh angel doesn’t sound until AFTER the TWO Witnesses have ascended back to Heaven/into the clouds(spacecraft)(NOT space alien) from whence they came as TWO Christs.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

kill is greek apokteino which together apo + Kteino indicates a haulting. There are other words for slaying someone or killing someone or murdering someone. The Beastial humans do overcome them when they announce on Network TV that they were no longer The Mysterious Two, as the movie title said, starring John Forsyth as Bo(Do), but were Marshall Herrf Applewhite and Bonnie Lu Truesdale Nettles from Texas and that they had both been arrested and Do spent time in prison. They were “shot down” by the press.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street(commons) of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

They felt stopped and felt they lost any credability, until they realized they never had any credability anyway which was some 3 days later. They also thought they would not be able to go anywhere without being arrested, accused of taking advantage of others, etc. But after 3 days they decided they must continue. They had about 70 something students then, and since the group had been infiltrated by Rob Balch and his friend, and en masse we’d be easy to notice/find in campground, they split us up to finish up the prohesizing that John was told he’d have to do again.

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Their stopped bodies, were stopped in the national media commons/street and they were in Las Vegas then, (The SPIRITUAL area of Sodom and Egypt where Jesus was crucified).

Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead(stopped) bodies to be put in graves(have a monument made for them).

The only way all these different people could see this is through the media and they and their picture was all over the news starting in October of 1975 and in every major news magazine and TV and Radio news program.

In other words no one wanted to memorialize them.

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

The people were glad to hear who they were as for nearly a month the reports were talking about this or that missing person and their rendevous with a UFO. They were accused of having something to do with cattle mutilations which we certainly did not. People were tormented by them, then and then again in 1997 as this causes the brain to spasm for many.

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

So while in Las Vegas feeling haulted, they literally had to pick themselves up to face the music and did meetings for the next 6 months.

But as is common with the Kingdom of God prophecies, I believe this also can refer to their taking a stand once again as the Heaven’s Gate cult which really put fear into people to see. In either case, 17 years passed, a tiny period of time for the KIngdom of God…

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

That great voice from heaven, they only heard, no one else. That voice was the sign/token and instruction that approved their plan to exit that the halebopp comet w/companion verified. It was not by far the only evidence they had to leave by as they had 24 years of direction to this end/beginning.

They did ascend up to the sky/heaven, God’s abode, into a spacecraft (cloud). Humans just could not see their ascension. Their enemies watched them (on TV news and Internet videos as they left a bunch of testimonials by students so there could be little doubt they were acting on their own volition adn why – For Do, for the KIndom of God/Father, Ti’s sake).

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake(shaking), and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

I suspect this was the 9/11/2001 WTC Washington terrorist attacks. Many people’s bodies were completly pulverized so we may never know how many were killed and if that includes those who die from the poisons breathed in by the rescue crews on the “pile” plus this isn’t something the Kingdom of God will predict with an absolute knowledge of as they don’t have such control over this garden that they know how many will die when that exactly. However, there was an earthquake very near october of 1975 in China where 7000 families were reported killed.

(I have posted a much more thorough Rev. 11 interpretation with more documentation on my blog).

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Note: Again the seventh angel sounds and there are voices in heaven that declare who the King is. In other words, the Lord and his Christ are in full control over what’s to happen next. Heaven in this case just might be the electronic/satellite connected media and internet whose signals go throughout what has always been spoken about as a “heaven”, the sky, etc.

And with this we see on International television, radio, internet, newspapers, spoken word the witness of the Heavens Gate “cult’s” laying down all their physical lives representing the cutting of the wheat stalk of harvest.

Anyone can watch Do give his last message via video prepared just weeks before they layed down their lives. He is in full control though of course few will watch or consider he is, but that remains to be proven even to the scoffers and doubters upon his last return, but this time not to walk among us again. This next time he may still be visible to many in some way and may appear as he did on that last video for the sake of those who know his picture with is literally millions of people who say that video on the news in 1997.

**** end of 7 angels…insert ****

Henry said:

For the heaven’s gate group to therefore claim that the two witnesses have already fulfilled their ministry is again another lie in the face of scripture.

Sawyer says:

Again, what scripture, but I guess you need to examine my responses to speak to.

However, you are so quick to say someone is lying. What do I have to gain from lying, the fulfillment that I’m doing the right thing, am right with God by believing in Ti and Do? I hardly need you for that, someone I never met and probably never will who can offer me nothing except a chance to look at your perspective which I don’t get anything new from so nothing to consider further.

In any case how could lying help me believe? Wouldn’t that be like shooting myself in the foot. A lie is when someone says something they know is untrue is it not or that they can’t know is untrue. It’s actually impossible for any of us to KNOW what is NOT possible, except in what we are given by Jesus to understand that way, which is little.

Henry said:

This has not been a detailed study on the heaven’s gate group nor was it intended to be but I believe I have left the reader in no doubt about the deceptive nature of the group. Their purpose is clearly not to fulfill the mission of Christ even though they may have been deceived into thinking that it is. I only pray that those who encounter them will stay clear of them and those who remain in the group may see the light of Christ and be awakened out of their deception.

Sawyer says:

And what was deceptive exactly. What did Ti and Do say ever that was deceptive. Sure it’s not something you believe in but that doesn’t mean it’s deceptive. Again, accusations galore but no meat. Just banter! However, it affords me the opportunity to show those just how much meat there was to Ti and Do.

And Henry and anyone who reads this…THERE IS NO GROUP. THEY ARE GONE SO THERE’S NO PLACE TO GO SEE THEM OR STATUES TO WORSHIP. The only left is the records they left and people like me working for them in abstentia.

The mission of Christ has been so twisted that many think they fulfill it. They only have to read the gospels and take every word to heart as if he was talking to each of us, to realized how far short we all fall in living up to his commandments and ways/sayings that he said are what show the fruit of a true disciple. Of course it’s all in degrees and our successes and failures are all successes if we press on, seeking the Kingdom of God’s help and wanting to be in Their service.

I leave you with a final thought?

Where is one iota of heracy (talking or acting against) the Bible and any of it’s Kingdom of God representatives, their commandments and depictions?

You can follow Henry and his readers responses to date on:

http://spiritofdiscernment.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/the-heresy-of-the-heaven%e2%80%99s-gate-cult

 

By their fruit ye shall know them

September 27, 2011

Below is a Christian Blog I’ve been commenting on run by a man named Henry. Two of his regular blog readers, named Marianne and Hopeful_watcher have been adament in saying, believing that Ti and Do can’t possably be who They said they were/are as the Two Witnesses in Revelations and all the many, many other scriptural and prophetic evidences.

As a result of our converstation that began with some of Henry’s posts but had been continued from my frequent commenting on yet another Christian Blog run by L.A. Marzulli – see his site address at the end, Henry made a post linked below. I’m providing my latest response to Henry  here for the sake of some of  what I feel might be the clearest example I have realized of what Jesus meant by, “you will know them by their Fruit”.

There is a great example to me demonstated here. I can’t tell you how many times I read all this talk about “fruit” and in the last few weeks with the lengthy back and forth with these Christians, I struggled to try to offer them more concrete proof in Biblical scriptures. I’d look at these about “fruit” and wonder, what is the fruit? How do I best point the term “fruit” to something literal and tangible? That was just yesterday or the day before I asked that. Then today as I responded to Henry’s last post, it dawned on me and now I feel exceedingly silly to not  have seen this so clearly as I feel I do now.

Fruit is doing in thought/word and deed all the Kingdom of God has given us to do, as best we can. Even if we fail and fall short in this or that area, as long as we keep on trying which means asking for Ti and Do’s help, they will help us. If we don’t ask we don’t receive. So if there is anything that Ti and Do did brainwash us into doing (hopefully), It was asking help from the Evolutionary Level Above Human, in religoius terms the Kingdom of God, and as Jesus said, asking “Our Father in the literal heavens” and as Ti said, to make our committment with Do, her “son”, our Heavenly Father.

Ti always said to us: “Get your mind into your vehicle”. We even taught a parrot Ti and Do got for us when we were living near White Rock Lake in Dallas, the last Craft we saw Ti in as she left her body from there in 1985, I think it was May or June 19th (I’m mixed up about it now – It may be in the Purple book and/or on heavengate.com).

So first I will list Henry’s latest comment, but you can click the link to his blog post entitled, “the heracy of heaven’s gate” at the end of this post to see what he initially said and some of the back and forth.

Then after Henry’s latest comment, my response:

On that note, re: “by their fruit you shall know them”…

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither cana corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Henry said:

Sawyer,

I am open to discuss scripture with you on any topic. However the mistake you make is rather than examine what you have been taught against scripture you instead examine scripture against what you have been taught. You reject the teachings of Paul for example based on what you heard someone else teach instead of examining Paul’s teachings against the rest of scripture. I have looked at Paul’s teachings agains Christ’s own and I see no fault in it. When Paul went preaching the Gospel in Berea those that received him received the word with all readiness of heart but they did not accept the teaching at face value. They instead studied the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was teaching was true. As a result Paul called them more noble than those of Thessolonica. This is what you should have done.

The mistake you have made is the same thing you are asking me to do. You are asking me to take your word for it on what you say because someone was teaching you this thing for over 20 years – but the length of time something is being taught does not in itself substantiate the truth of it. Hence I have examined those things you have claimed against scriptures and found it wanting. To decry me and argue that I do not no anything about the group is neither here nor there. I do not need to know the history of a group to know whether or not certain claims they make are true or not. I have to examine what you claim against scripture and if it doesn’t tie in with scripture then it has to be rejected.

I have seen though that you have not addressed the things I have said to you on a scriptural basis but you have instead resorted to taking “pop shots” at me and then call my analysis of your doctrine petty. I think it is you who are being petty, not me. Instead of keep going back to what Ti and Do said you should be examining what Ti and Do said agains Holy Writ.

Sawyer’s reply:

Henry, Let me just say, I apologize if I’ve said disrespectful things to you. I’m not sure what they were at this time but you said “pot shots” so I no doubt have become somewhat defensive at times and aggressive as well. However, I do feel, the retorick from you and Marieanne and hopeful_watcher is often just as confrontational, which I don’t enjoy, but I’m not in this for enjoyment and it’s actually fine as we each have strong feelings about what we believe.

Nevertheless, what I feel happens a great deal in my opinion, which may in part be due to the nature of comments on the internet, lots of assumptions seem to be made. I know marianne said I assumed she was a Catholic, but if you go back to what I said, I simply said she “sounded like a catholic” regarding her talking about the “trinity” (not a word in the bible record I can find in any language).

Now I can see how looking at those words I used, she would think I was saying she was a Catholic, but in my mind I knew that I didn’t know. I don’t pretend to be psychic and neither were Ti and Do by the way. They said those techniques were actually “tricks” used by the “lower forces”, part of the things done to fool the elect.

I do agree with you that the length of time with anything is not proof of understanding even what we were apart of for that duration and especially applicable with things Biblical because it’s so, so easy and often the case that we are dumbfounded by what we read or think we understand it, but then some time later come back to it, or read someone else’s understanding or interpretation and we can often realize we didn’t understand it as well as we still might.

 The only reason I say I had 19 years of first hand experience with Ti and Do is so it’s clear this is not a second hand witness, thus one might give a little more credence to the experiences I relay about Them, not that one still doesn’t need to test it and challenge it and debate parts. I expect that. I really wouldnt’ not want someone to take my word for it. I’m not trying to persuade though I do feel the evidence I’m mounting is quite persuasive to anyone who is willing to give each piece a genuine consideration. Frankly, I take people’s outright rejection of Ti and Do, as you three have done from day one of my conversations about Ti and Do, which has extended itself from other blogs where I met you three, I believe as some evidence that it’s fearful to be willing to “consider” as you know that if you considered who Ti and Do might well be, then you’d be beginning to get sucked into it further and how upsetting that would be accross the board, in each of your lives and in you own personal skin.

 Maybe “fears” not the correct word, but we have no record in the Bible I’m aware of where Jesus or Moses commanded, “thou shall not examine what someone’s fruits are”, fruit being a huge point to discern, as we’d have to know what Jesus meant by it. Now perhaps you are thinking now, that you have examined the fruit of Ti and Do. Presumably you’ve read all my posts and examined some articles or whatnot somewhere that prompted this latest post claiming it as heracy and you have stated why, having to do with the 7th Angel/trumphet sounding, which I will address shortly following a few more days of study. I’ve been so occupied with so many other parts of revelations and the new and old testement over the last x years, in which no one has ever expressed what you have, so I have not had reason to dig into those depictions of the Kingdom of God’s manefestation of prophecy. So the time is right now I guess but as you know that’s a big topic that like most everything biblical is wrought with contraversy among Christians.

Now, perhaps I have not been clear about my position on Paul, which I believe in part was/is Do’s position though that’s not to say everything I might think/say about Paul can be assumed to be Do’s position as my experience with Do tells me I’d have to bring up to him each position I was taking independently as Do did quote one Paul quote once as his being supportive of it’s coming from the Kingdom of God’s representatives.

Our time with Ti and Do for 10 years and then with Do for the next 9 (for me) seldom had in debth talk about particular scriptures and when there was, it was 99% from the red letters – what Jesus was quoted to have said. Now it was from Do that I got the idea that Saul was entrapped by Lucifer. Do didn’t say why that I recall. Like I said, we had little Bible talk in detail. Now, if that makes you think He is automatically disqualified from being from the Kingdom of God, that’s your choice but if you see how many times Jesus quoted the OT, it didn’t seem to dominate the conversations the disciples noted or repeated that became inscripted.

It was after I had left Do and the group in 1994 and then after they “layed down their physical containers(bodies) that I gradually over years, beginning to come back to talking to Do in my head again and moving into wanting to be in their service again that I began to dig into scripture again.

While with Do, He at times did assign students to dig into scriptures and I was one of those and presented a report to the group on my study of the terms Resurrection, regeneration, raised up once. And while we were on the road, myself with a partner Ti and Do assigned me to spreak their message with, which was in 1975-6 I did a great deal of red letter study and the lost books of the bible and so forth and had many debates with many dozens of church members across the US, which was my biggest burst of bible study at that point in my life.

So when I examined Saul/Paul it wasn’t too hard to see the inconsistancies with Jesus, but that’s because I believed in Do so believed Saul was used by the lower forces to dilute and bring the antichrist (Lucifer and his fallen angels) hatred of the teachings of Jesus to light, by making this hater of Jesus and his disciples into a populist preacher, though any talk of jesus was then unpopular and resulted in Pauls martyrdom, today Paul is I’d say more popular than Jesus in terms of who is quoted more.

Now this being said, doesn’t mean in any shape or form that Paul didn’t become a genuine believer in Jesus and nor does it mean that everything that Paul said was unreferencable to what Jesus said. What so many do which is encouraged by the lower forces is to find one or two reasons to disqualify something to otherwise consider and thereby block all data related to whatever the subject of the data is.

Athesists who hate some of the aspects of religions often deny the planet had to have been created by highly intelligent supreme beings that were called in history the Kingdom of God. Many would rather believe Jesus never existed than consider that what many hate about religion and christianity in particular is those in such religions that demonstrate an absolute certainty that they understand reality, past, present and future, so claim the earth is just 6000 to 7000 years old, when there is lots of scientific evidence it is much older. And then as you know, all the hypocriciies of the organized church in the burning of so called witches and killings in the crusades, etc. which to me were not doing anything close to what Jesus said to think, say and do. It’s what the Luciferians do to try to get humans to see anything but the truth and the Kingdom of God sets this up as part of the formula that helps us “plants” grow. We have this “advasary”(satan) to spar agaisnt to build our armour through, what Ti called a “muscle” and a process like churning the cream to make butter or using great fire to purify the iron ore into steel or to get Gold from the ore.

Now I believe there is lots of evidence that many christians hold to the “word”, the bible in such a way that actually blinds them to the newness that Jesus would represent in any next coming which there is much scriptural evidence of. After all what are the characteristics, according to Jesus of would be false prophets: In summary, some will say they are actually Jesus the Christ. They will appear to be sheep but inwardly will be ravening wolves (after the genuine sheep to trick them to follow them rather than the genuine shepherd). And how do they portray being sheep? They wear sheeps clothing. In other words they appear to us as sheep. No where is that more obvious in many of the religious leaders of any and all faiths, but their fruit gives them away. Their fruit is not just what they say, but what they DO. If they talk about going after Osama Bin Laden because he is a devil to kill him and they call themselves christians then their fruit is certainly not from the “good” tree that came from our Father’s kingdom as we had that old lesson, Thou shall not kill. If they set up a huge institution, a mega church and they trade in real estate and don’t pay taxes and accumulate riches they stash away in banks, are they at all demonstrating the fruit Jesus would say was fruit? No, No, No and that is pretty clear. But if they give humanitarian help to whoever asks then in that way they are demonstrating some of what Jesus said to do in “love your neighbor as yourself”, the term love here must be with action as saying it and not walking the talk is against Jesus who said, “you praise me with your words but your heart is far from me” and many other scriptures. If we lend to someone and charge them interest, we are not demonstrating having Kingdom of God tree fruit.

So if we look at the behavior and ways over 24 years of Ti and Do what will we see? I’m almost willing to bet you and Marianne and hopefull_watcher have never gone to heavensgate.com to see what Ti and Do and students actually said and did over 24 years to determine if it resembled the Kingdom of God’s fruit or does it resemble the kingdom of Human as largly morphed into the kingdom of the luciferians thorns.?

The luciferians try to stick very close to what the Kingdom of God last did on Earth, so they create facsimili leaders. They often talk about Jesus and do humanitarian things and such and if there are some that want to give their all to God, they see to it that an organization exists to give some a way to make their giving their all into an acceptible and even highly esteemed effort. They have schools that teach scripture, (though they stay locked in a very particular opinion/translation about scripture and select primarily the scriptures they can most easily justify for the masses, so the monks,nuns, priests, ministers, bible teachers will be respected and listened to). This way, when the real deal comes again, most will have accepted programming that it could only be real if it happens just this one way.

So what does the kingdom of God do. They come in almost an opposite way as most think and for those that know that the kigndom of god most always comes by taking a human physical body to have a face to face relatinship with it’s students, they see to it that so many come wearing holy garb and lofty soft talk, peaceful demeanor , etc. that there’s hardly a chance to really see the truth, EXCEPT there is always a more than fair and equal chance to see the truth through all the disguises but it won’t be done by the Lord hitting us with a laser light to blind us so that we can know who is boss. That would be a major manipulation. That’s like shining a bright light at a deer and then when they are shocked by it, shooting them down. Jesus said himself he had kept all his Father gave him, the 11. So what did he do, after he ascended into that spacecraft, decide that he needed this one that was seeking to murder those who believed in him?  What was Jesus doing testing his disciples who were trusting him with their very physical and soul lives, to then have Paul come to Jerusalem claiming to be an appointed teacher of Jesus news, when he never sat with jesus,never cried with him or ate with him nor witnesses any of the things he said and did over some 3 1/2 years? No wonder those who were with Jesus were as it says in acts, “afraid” of him. No wonder they didn’t want to appoint him as a teacher(apostle). And then he goes and tells some who he had made into his flock he is an apostle as much as any of the others. And he then tells some to “look to me” as an elder in christ, etc. or for whether to stay married or to be celebate or not like him (putting himself on a pedestal, as we see throughout all the religions and that jesus nailed, which is the reason they often sought to kill him, though he wasn’t ready. He knew His father would let him know when it was exit time.

 He said in John’s gospel, regarding “laying down his life” that “NO MAN TAKES IT FROM ME”. He said HE WAS LAYING DOWN HIS LIFE BECAUSE HIS FATHER ASKED HIM TO. If paul was such an example of an apostle then why in hell didn’t he quote Jesus? Well, one could say, because he didnt’ hear anything Jesus said. But he was with Peter wasnt’ he, assuming that was the same peter that was with Jesus. I believe it was. In fact, I’d bet the few things he did say that sound like signature jesus, as they would be things that he didnt’ get from his study of OT scripture must have come from Peter or one of the other close students which could have been any of the 70+ Jesus sent out.

Paul primarily teaches Pharisee Judism using the name of Jesus, in recognition that he is the messiah and that he really did rise from the dead. He was convinced he was serving jesus. That’s exactly what the Luciferians want to do. In revelations you know who I think is represented by the phrase, “false prophet”? It’s not one person as so many say, just like antichrist doesn’t have one embodyment. It’s the catch all term for all who are religious and spiritual who claim to be a mouthpiece for God or the cosmic christ consciousness whose FRUIT doesn’t match the fruit of the true members from the Kingdom of God.

Now does that mean that all those who call for peace are demonstrating the fruit Jesus was referring to. After all he blesses the peacemakers and said to treat one another peacefullly but he actaully said he didn’t come to bring peace but a sword that sets at varience members in the same family. Why? How could that be the real jesus? Because he was providing a bonding to a new branch, a new family, that was a many membered family, except his relatives were only those that also believed and trusted and sought to become full time servants of the Kingodm of God according to the qualifications of membership laid down and demonstrated since Adam’s “missing of the mark”(sin).

At this point especially Paul’s letters are a major distraction as is much of the OT. Lucifer has christians so confused while they insist they have it all together. Lucifer is the one that made what jesus came to do look like a country club. Many go to the club every sunday and mingle with fellow believers who all feel so good about themselves and being saved so they can count on going to heaven to be with this guy Jesus who loved them so much he let them mutilate and murder him while hardly paying any attention to anythng he actually said to do to be his disciple. But it’s hard to consider what Jesus said. We, our vehicle’s don’t want to look at those things. they are too hard, they are fed by lucifer subconsciously by this idea that “he did it for us” so it’s even an ego that thinks one must EARN their seat in Heaven OR for those that know they must show “works” , we’ll tithe so our missionaries can go to africa to “save” their souls. jesus spoke to those doing that then and said they also would be “standing up again”(ressurecting, one this words primarny meanings), but this time they don’t wear the yamaka and celbrate with a shofar and menora. Now they have added any number of props and for those that knew the props were from Lucifer, like those who left the Catholic fold, they are still potentially trapped by being glued to 2000 yr old terminology that has come through multiple translations but that the Kigndom of God saw to it still held the core teachings of the Kingdom of God but most trustworthy in what’s been termed the red letters of the 4 gospels and anything else that has direct cross references to the same exact thinking and acting, the Fruit.

Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Henry’s blog post:

http://spiritofdiscernment.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/the-heresy-of-the-heaven%e2%80%99s-gate-cult

L.A. Marzulli’s blog where I have included lots of commenting, but some months ago I decided to give it a rest:

http://lamarzulli.wordpress.com

 

A general guide for new believers in Ti and Do

July 3, 2011

Just wanted to share the following post, someone named alex who had read some of my previous posts on a blog about crop circles. I’m aware that at any time I can be spoofed but it’s no matter to me. Like Ti and Do, they didn’t try to read anothers sincerity. They took the high side that they were acting with honesty and always expressed how people, students or not, had to smack them in the face with behaviour unbecoming of a member of the Next Level, like dishonesty before they would accept it from them. With that said, I felt to give my best shot here and it felt the clearest I’ve expressed so far as to what Ti and Do might think/feel towards those who are opening up to Them at this time.

alex | July 3, 2011 at 3:20 am | Reply
@sawyer. Good to speak to you, I was not aware you were part of the Heavens Gate mission.I strongly agree with the teachings of To and Di to reach the next level in human evolution. I wouldn’t go as far as taking the steps or course of action to achieve it(yet). In my opinion I feel that the human race will achieve the next level here on earth, either through a natural course of nature or divine help and the people who are enlightened now have the simple task of making everyone aware and making the changes nessacery in order to complete the task giving. Peace,love and light.

sawyer | July 3, 2011 at 9:52 am |
@alex – I am not quoting Ti or Do, except when I say I am or paraphrase something I can’t exactly quote. I try to make the distinction as I go but sometimes I don’t. I say this to try to protect against my being quoted as if Do said something. As far as quoting anyone, I’d stick to what you know Do authored as well as any of the data on the heavensgate.com site as there are many student essays there as well. I know for a fact that those essays were gone over with a fine tooth comb and Do himself so you can count on what they say being from the mind of Ti and Do.

It’s a  big surprise to hear you say you agree with the teachings of Ti and Do, perhaps 1 in a million and it sounds to me you are in an aligned position to help those around you.  By Do(Ti) and their students final step of laying down their lives was never meant to suggest anyone else would be ready to take that same leap and at that time or even in their current lifetime, thus your sentiment of “not interested in taking their steps (yet)” is as honest and true as I can imagine. That’s not to say someone couldn’t feel strongly that they do want to take that step, new believer or not, but so not I would ask him at this time if that would be the best way to serve the Next Level.

However, with that said, it is up to you to decide upon establishing conscious connection with Do, if you havn’t already as without asking for his lead, you won’t get it.  Since they don’t NEED us or NEED new members to their crews they don’t have any need or desire to trick us or lure us or manipulate us or act without our request. They never project a voice in our heads nor take us over as in a channeler. We need no special way to talk or to fold our hands or sit in any particular position. It’s simple and direct. Use the names they have given us as our LINKs, Ti and Do. Very soon after you ask, you could have a dream with Do and/or Ti in it. It might help to see their pictures but I don’t know if that matters.

I have had some indications that the Luciferian space aliens are trying to transmit Ti and/or Do’s image to new believers and I would not be at all surprised by someone saying Do visited them in a dream or somehow and told them such and so. When Do visits he answers your question and that’s it and his answer from my experience always includes options. But most of all, what he says must be tested against what you think and feel according to all the Next Level  has shared with the human population since the start of this civilization’s garden but with prime focus on all Ti and Do said/did and what Jesus and then Moses said and did. (It’s hard at times to understand why Moses said certain things, so I’m not talking about cutting your beard square or wearing nike shoes or anything like that. I’m talking primarily behavioral towards ourselves and others.

By communicating with Do regularly we begin to identify his responses as they are usually subtle and in that way learn more about him and how he works and how you can begin your personal process toward a future graduation, which will begin in earnest sometime after the recycling is underway/completed.

You will of course be outside your vehicle by then but your Soul container with whatever of their Mind you have drawn to you by then will be aware of Ti and Do’s invisible spacecraft and will receive an assignment within according to your station. It may be just a holding pattern for a while , like on ice(Do said), but as you will be timeless at that point (having not been included in the “second death” when the spirits are vacuumed or sucked into the earth’s molten core somehow) it will not matter .

This is the only meaning of reincarnation when the Level Above Human brings a soul back. Otherwise no one spirit leaves (until melt time) so there is no coming back. There is only stay or go to whatever we believed before we died and if it was an illusion of heaven where we go to the light , it may be like a moth attracted to the light in which they die and their energy is merged when they get there, or they may stay around and try to help the grandkids or give someone their due for harm they felt they were dealt, or to seek the same pleasures they sought before through whatever human host gives you that assimilation.

When you said some will acheive the Next Level here on Earth, that’s according to what Ti and Do have shared exactly what I just descibed, the beginning of the process that requires a number of flesh births to where you soul is brought back with the task of trying to “take over ” a human horse(vehicle) prepared to fit you, a horse that is a seeker and whose genes came from Next Level seeded stock. so the brain doesn’t short circut at the real sense of the Next Level’s existence and plan on the planet – to grow souls as potential new members into their evolutionary strata.

What’s been given by Do and crew were instructions on how anyone can be in their service at this time. And that is to share what they said and did with others. Ti and Do and crew observe all they want to and set up circumstances where you will run into people that have a potential interest and though there is no one way in which you must share the info, when and how and to whom, if you begin to ask Ti and Do to guide you and remain willing to do things that sets up opportunities on the net or in person. then that magic will take place and you will begin to see it working to further strengthen your developing graft to their family of Mind tree. For whatever it’s worth, I use music for my interface. I play wherever I can, on the street, in little gigs and sometimes I talk about Ti and Do in the midst of the music (I have backup tracks I play with ) and other times I say nothing and someone comes up to me to talk and we sometimes get to the subject of Ti and Do and sometiems we don’t. Sometimes I tell somene I have a story to tell that is a whale of a tale but don’t care to tell it unless somene asks to hear it. I don’t plan any of this. I am just saying this is what happened today thought there are many variations. And if I feel no one is interested, I might give them a hint, like that it’s about UFO’s. (I have a mic on my battery powered amp). And sometimes I won’t wait to hear someones question or asking as this is hardly ever a popular subject to talk about openly). Some of the songs on the cd’s I sell that I use the money to keep me in batteries and meter charges in cities talk about Ti and Do a little too and the cover tells about them a bit too so it’s there. It’s a seed being planted. That’s all. Not my task to follow it up. It’s in their hands. The only reason some feel threatened by what I do is when they have a strong program that they feel is cntrary my talk, but generally the discarnate influences try to blind the eyes/ears of most so they won’t be faced by it, as they know it’s not familiar territory and that can only mean theri host vehicle may change down the road and they’d potentially lose them as a host for their attractions.

What you are expressing also reminds me of the Jesus quote, “The meek shall inherit the earth The meek are the gentle , the loving , compassionate, kind, helpful humans.

And Next Level members will walk among humans again as they have during each new civilization. They are the gardeners and earth is their garden and we are the potential fruit and we can also become the instrument of further fruit.

In times to come this will not be easy. Nothing will be. Sometimes all the words don’t make sense to someone and I just leave them with, “ask Ti and Do for help”. Sounds pollianna but I know and mean know it can’t hurt. However I know there are religionists that boil to hear me say this and that may be the way I meet my vehicles end. If so it’s a ticket to the next step. I don’t wish for that to occur and I try to steer away from such but if it happens despite my efforts (short of hiding and never sharing ti and do info) I’m readiy to accept it.

Do may even come to you in a dream but also the Luciferian space aliens if they find you will want to try to steal your allegience away, but you will be protected from too much of their influence as long as you want to stay connected.

Meanwhile I’d try to learn all about Ti and Do you can which is all contained on the heavensgate.com webside. Their book is there but only for cut and paste receipt at this time. (I’m not it’s manager and those who are don’t know how to fix things ). There is another site that I don’t know who maintains called heavensgatetoo.com, but if you fail to get their book I will provide a zipped copy to you. You can reach me at sawyerhg@yahoo.com or through facebook.com/sawyer.heavensgate or youtube.com/3spm or sawyerhg.wordpress.com . My blog does also have a post of all the places I’m aware where legitimate Ti and Do info is posted as we’ve already seen an effort to sabatoge the info.

I’m accused of talking too much so I’ll cool it at this time, but not without a word of caution. Frequently when we read or watch info being presented that is “beyond human” (and beyond space alien or et’s) we can feel a little weak in the knees or sick to the stomach. It’s like it tastes good but then when our vehicle gets wind of what it means and the changes one knows they will eventually have to make, the vehicle kind of shrinks and looks for ways out and will become critical of this or that about something Ti and Do said or did during their trumphet blowing and classroom managing. That’s healthy to experience. It’s the groth process and one needs to have times of seriousness in that and then times of relaxation and fun too. So many people think it’s like joining a monestary. It’s not really.

At some point civilzation as we know it will be disrupted for us. For many that’s already happening of couse and always has but soon it will happen more and more in the US, if in fact you are in the US. That’s not a prediction, like anybody can’t see that, but some think oh, this economy will blow over or the natural disasters will return to like they were before but they won’t, though there will still be periods of calm while the rest of those that wish to have allegience to Ti and Do are “sealed”. I have no real idaa when that might occur but meanwhile I still suspect trying to locate to a mountainous region away from big cities and coasts is wize.

Some may try to go to Veedavou in Medicine bow national forest in Wyoming where Ti and Do first gathered us after their ~3 1/2 yrs prophecy period had elapsed. That would be a difficult winter destination. I’m not saying that is where the Next Level might come to or may use for the next civilization start though I do supect and have some evidence it will be the area Ti and Do felt to stick to keeping the classroom. It would be a rectangle of sorts that drew a line on the western side from San Diego to Edmonton, Alberta then east to Chicago then south to Houston and then west back to San Diego. I’m not saying these are accurate lines, and the classroom never located to the Chicago area. In fact most of the time was spent in Texas, Colorodo, Wyoming, New Mexico, Arizona and Southern California. I just say this for whatever it’s worth. At this time I still feel to remain in the Vermont area but I’m not one to follow in that regard. Each person needs to see what they feel and can ask Do.

Don’t fear those that can take your physial life away from you, fear those who can take your Soul away from you. (Jesus paraphrased).

“USA TODAY” Ad/Statement May 27, 1993 by Do the Rev 6 (apple)White horse

June 27, 2011

“USA TODAY” Ad/Statement May 27, 1993 

“UFO CULT” RESURFACES WITH FINAL OFFER
The following statements could sound very presumptuous. However, these facts do come into focus or “prove” themselves if they are seriously explored a step at a time. They could also sound very “doomsdayish.” Though, in truth, they will be the most joyous “sound of music” to the ears and eyes of those who have been waiting for them.
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The Earth’s present “civilization” is about to be recycled – “spaded under.” Its inhabitants are refusing to evolve. The “weeds” have taken over the garden and disturbed its usefulness beyond repair.

The human kingdom was created as a stepping stone between the animal kingdom and the true Kingdom of God (the Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human).

It is the soul that progresses from one kingdom level to another – each kingdom level has its own unique physical containers (bodies) for the souls that reside in that kingdom level.

As the human goes out to find servants within the animal kingdom, from beasts of burden to seeing-eye dogs – if that animal grows to find pleasure only in serving its master, no longer identifies as an animal, but sees itself as a family member in that human family, and its behavior is pleasing to that human – the two become bound together. The human family then provides the body (a human infant) for that soul to enter, allowing it to move up into the human evolutionary kingdom. (This is not to suggest that all human infants are containers for souls moving up from the animal kingdom, for most human infants are containers for human kingdom returnees still bound to that family unit.)

Likewise, when a member of the true Kingdom of God receives instruction to incarnate among humans in order to seek out the souls that might want to “separate from the pack” and are desirous of becoming only servants in the Evolutionary Level Above Human, He then offers them the knowledge and behavior that can open that door to them. If that human changes to the degree that he no longer desires any human behavior and he pleases that member of the Kingdom Level Above Human, a bond is formed and a body belonging to that new Kingdom is provided for that soul to move up into.

Both Kingdom Levels are physical and biological. However, the human kingdom is made up of mammalian – “seed-bearing” – plants or containers, while the Kingdom of God is made up of non-mammalian, non-seed-bearing “containers” for souls, and their young or “children” are those who have risen above – overcome – all human-mammalian characteristics and behavior through the tutorship (midwifing) of a member of the Kingdom of God who has been through that transition and bonded to His Father at a previous time.

Just as an animal sees his human tutor as the one and only “master,” likewise a human, as he becomes aware of a Member of the Kingdom Level Above Human, sees Him as the one and only “God.” However, the individual that that human related to as God sees Himself as a “child” in that higher, many-membered Kingdom and knows that only through His “Father” (an Older Member in that Kingdom) can He become a better member in that Kingdom.

A “student” or prospective “child” of a member of the true Kingdom of God can, with the help of an Older Member, overcome or rise out of all human mammalian behavior – sexuality and gender consciousness – and all other addictions and ties of the human kingdom. He must complete this change to the point of abhorring human behavior before his soul can become a “match” with a biological body of the true Kingdom of God – for that new body is genderless and incapable of functioning at a human level.

The true Kingdom of God, the “Headquarters” of all that is, is a many-membered Kingdom which physically exists in the highest, most distant Heaven – a non-temporal place (outside of time, and with eternal life). It is the only place from which souls, life, and all creating originates. Being non-temporal, it was, is, and forever will be – a concept that we, as temporal creatures, are not designed to comprehend. That Kingdom designed the “temporal” world outside its “borders” and designed its temporal creatures to have a progression of bodies or “vehicles” (through kingdom levels, such as animal and human) for souls to evolve through. If the soul survives and moves forward through all its tests along the way – it can, with the help of a member of the true Kingdom of God, lose its temporal characteristics and become a part of their non-perishable, non-corruptible world. However, all other souls who reach a certain degree of corruption (having of their own free will chosen to become totally separate from their Creator) will engage a “self-destruct” mechanism at the Age’s end, manifested when opposing camps, be they human or “Luciferian,” come together and destroy each other – thus assisting in the plowing under of the “garden” for the Creator.

The reason the term “TRUE” Kingdom of God is used repeatedly is because there are many space alien races that through the centuries of this civilization (and in civilizations prior) have represented themselves to humans as “Gods.” We refer to them collectively as “Luciferians,” for their ancestors fell away from the keeping of the true Kingdom of God many thousands of years ago. They are not genderless – they still need to reproduce. They are nothing more than technically advanced humans who have retained some of what they learned while in the early training of members of the true Kingdom of God, e.g., limited space-time travel, telepathic communication, advanced travel hardware (spacecrafts, etc.), increased longevity, advanced genetic engineering, and such things as suspended holograms (as used in some religious “miracles”).

These “Luciferian” space races are the humans’ GREATEST ENEMY. They hold humans in unknown slavery only to fulfill their own needs. They cannot “create,” though they develop races and biological containers through genetic manipulation and hybridization. They even try to “make deals” with human governments to permit them (the Luciferians) to engage in biological experimentation (through abductions) in exchange for technically advanced modes of travel – though they seldom follow through, for they don’t want the humans of this civilization to grow to be another element of competition. They war among themselves over the spoils of this planet and use religion and increased sexual behavior to keep humans “drugged” and ignorant (in darkness) while thinking they are in God’s keeping. These Luciferians see to it, through the “social norm” (the largest Luciferian “cult” there is) that man continues to not avail himself of the possibility of advancing beyond human. Many things have become the accepted “norm,” but that doesn’t make them right!

Just as the biological body is the “container” for the soul, the soul is the “container” for Mind (Spirit). Mind translates into the brain as information (knowledge). Information is available to humans from only two sources – the mind of the Luciferians – or the Mind of the Kingdom of God. The mind of the Luciferians yields misinformation (promoting the behavior and concepts of this world). The Mind from the true Kingdom of God yields true information (though the Luciferians and their servants would reverse this interpretation). As we change, in the progression of overcoming humanness – the percentages change – of which mind occupies our soul – Truth increases as misinformation decreases. If we revert back to humanness, the process reverses – the Truth is aborted as the soul becomes more filled with mammalian mind. That Truth can even be taken from us if we abuse it. When our “eye becomes single” or our soul is filled only with Mind or Spirit from the true Kingdom of God, it becomes pure or Holy Mind (Spirit).

The true Kingdom of God’s design permits the presence of a “Luciferian” element, during a human civilization, as a catalyst for growth. Without it, we would have no choices – our free will could not be exercised. Our right choices find us in alignment to recognize the Truth when it is offered.
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Two thousand years ago, the true Kingdom of God appointed an Older Member to send His “Son,” along with some of their beginning students, to incarnate on this garden. While on Earth as an “away team” with their “Captain,” they were to work on their overcoming of humanness and tell the civilization they were visiting how the true Kingdom of God can be entered. The humans under the control of the Luciferians killed the “Captain” and his crew, because of the “blasphemous” position they held, and quickly turned the teachings of the “Captain” – the Older Member’s “Son” – into watered down Country Club religion – obscuring the remnants of the Truth.

That same “away team” incarnated again in the 1970’s in the mature (adult) bodies that had been picked and prepped for this current mission. This time the “Admiral” (the Older Member, or Father, incarnate in a female vehicle) came with the Son – “Captain” – and his crew. As the two Older Members put out a “statement” and held public meetings over about a 9-month period in 1975-76 to bring their crew together, the media tagged them the “UFO cult” because of their expectation of leaving aboard a spacecraft (UFO) at the completion of their “overcoming.” The two Older Members then went into seclusion with their crew (students), “lifting them out” of the world for almost 17 years (not accepting any new students), making Earth’s surface their classroom. This isolation was absolutely necessary. The degree of their overcoming of sexuality, addictions, and ties to the human environment had to be taken to the point of matching the behavior and consciousness of the Evolutionary Kingdom Above Human. Only then would their new “Next Level” bodies be functional. They resurfaced briefly for about a 3½-month period in 1992, allowing some of their “dropouts” to rejoin them.
This changeover (sufficient “overcoming” to inherit Next Level bodies) has been completed, and before they return, they are instructed to share this statement with you.

The Luciferians are about to be “recycled” (annihilated) at the same time as this human civilization is “spaded.” They know that “rumor has it” that their days are numbered. They refuse to believe it and are desperate to recruit souls from the human kingdom into their “Heavenly Kingdom.” There are many “counterfeit” heavens, and each “heaven” is at this time collecting “names in their book,” forcing a stand of allegiance, polarizing each individual’s commitment to his chosen “God.”

When members of the Level Above Human are physically present, the opposing forces work the hardest against them in order to support their own position. They do almost anything to keep humans from following the path toward the true Kingdom of God. They “turn up the heat” at this time in the area of mammalian behavior, primarily sexuality. This has become such an overwhelming presence in the Earth’s atmosphere that even some of the crew that came with us were lost to its temptation. Don’t forget that when the Luciferians were expelled, in order to support their own desires, they had to condemn the true Kingdom of God and see it simply as another path – inhumane and radically uncompromising.

The religious “cults” who have separated from the world have “picked up on” one major aspect of what is “in the air” at this time when the information of how to move from one kingdom level to another is available. What they may have failed to recognize is that experienced “clinicians” are necessary to take souls through that “weaning” – that difficult “withdrawal” from human addictions and binding “misinformation” concepts. If it weren’t necessary to have clinicians present who have previously been taken through that transition, we wouldn’t need to be here.

Some religious “cults” might have children, participate in physical or mental abuse, hold members against their will, have weapons, or break laws in general – while we have long been aware that that type of behavior is inappropriate, especially for a transitional “classroom.”

When the present “away team” leaves (which will be very soon), the Truth will go with them. You cannot preserve the Truth in your religions. It is with you only as long as a Truth bearer is with you. Only those from the Land of Truth can bear it. It can only be your future if you “reach out and grab it” while it is offered. The Truth can be retained only as one is physically connected with the Next Level, through an Older Member, and that relationship requires that non-mammalian thinking and behavior be sustained.

Humans were, from the beginning, given a “prime directive” NOT TO KILL OTHER HUMANS. “In defense” or for “rightness” are no exceptions. Righteousness is what most frequently causes conflict. “I’m right, you’re wrong.” “You’re causing me trouble, I’ll wipe you out” (in the best interest of all, of course). The world’s systems continue to make laws permitting the breakage of higher laws – God’s laws. Weapons designed for killing humans are inexcusable. There are numerous methods of controlling a violent person without the necessity of murder. The irony is, each killer sends its victims to exactly where they want to go (to their chosen heaven). Humans fight for their desires – what they choose to not overcome – what they cling to. Our desires and attachments (or lack of them) determine which heaven we’re going to.

A soul cannot end its own existence. Though it may incarnate many times and the body or vehicle it is wearing may be terminated, only the true Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above – Human can terminate the soul. This termination of the soul is the only proper application of the term DEATH.
When a soul “awakens” in a particular “season” or incarnation (usually sometime between college age and mid-life), it is picking up where it left off at the end of its previous incarnation. What an individual participates in prior to that “awakening” is of no real significance. If a soul had previously overcome such human characteristics as family ties and relationships, at his “awakening” he is seen by those around him as suddenly becoming unstable, for he is compelled to once again separate from those imposing ties and seek to connect with what he had previously sought or connected with. What he primarily learns is what is not for him as he seeks for the Highest Truth or Reality.

The media seems devoted to “saving” the public from radical ideologies or “cults,” particularly of seeming “religious” types. Also a news “scoop” requires haste. These two elements together predetermine that they search for any and all negative quotes that will discredit the groups’ leaders and the groups’ behavior. The fact still remains that negative reporting far outsells positive reporting – and after all, positive reporting of radical material can end or ruin a reporter’s career. Well, it won’t be hard to discredit this group from its leaders down, for prior to and during their “awakening” and subsequent coming together, they all made many mistakes and learned from them. Plus – you don’t give up the ways of the world without the condemnation of those who still advocate what you have overcome.

When we came before (2000 years ago) the world “cleansed” or “saved” their world from our “blasphemy” and merely got us our boarding passes back to the true Kingdom of God on the true “Enterprise” (spaceship or “cloud of light”). If you seek to cleanse the world of our “blasphemy” this time, you would simply be the instrument of our “days being shortened” while destroying your “last chance” in this civilization to advance.

Now at the close of an Age – every significant soul of this civilization has returned (and is in or attached to a physical body) to reap their reward. Most who think they are for the Kingdom of God are in fact working for the opposing side – the counterfeit “Gods” – and will want to condemn us. Your actions, even your thoughts of condemnation toward us, out of allegiance to your “God,” will cause our part of the Heavens to look upon your “god” with the same rejection.
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Many say they live only for the “Harvest Time” – the “Last Days” – the “Second Coming.” Those are all finally here! – Will you accept us as them? You cannot bypass us even in your prayers – you cannot insult your Creator by refusing to go through the ones He has sent to you. There are souls here now for the express purpose of connecting – and eventually bonding – with the Next Level through us. Those souls will be protected – out of harm’s way – and “saved” from the approaching sorting out, recycling, and “spading under” of the Luciferians and their human servants. If you can get your name in our “book,” on our spacecraft’s computer (and only there), making your actions reflect that desire – then you will go with us.
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SUMMARY: Our surfacing is in reality a test of the public’s “civility.” Can a society that is still dealing with bigotry and prejudices against races, religions, and sexual preference extend the right of existence to some who see humanity as a stepping stone toward the Kingdom of God, and desire to take that step and briefly offer it to others? Or is Earth’s present civilization still as primitive as it was 2000 years ago? We’ll see!

CAUTION: If the above information is consumed or assimilated, you may experience such side effects as loss of marriage, family, friends, career, respectability, and credibility. Continued use could even result in the loss of your membership in the human kingdom.