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DO Audio Tape Transcript 5.23.1994 – Inverness, CA – Part 1 of 2

July 5, 2019
DO Audio Tape Transcript 5.23.1994 – Inverness, CA – Part 1 of 2

(Transcribed by Nisha and Edited by Sawyer)

Sawyer note: At about 8:20 DO talks about why he was fired from the Episcopal church where he worked as the head of music – because of the response to an article that came out that described what TI and Do were teaching at the Unitarian church – theosophy and metaphysics. He made no mention of having an affair with a student, which I had read may have happened in the 1960’s, before he became divorced though it’s applied in some media as a current event to TI and Do’s beginning together.

In DO telling this story, it’s also apparent where DO met TI in 1972 in a hospital where TI worked as a nursery nurse – taking care of preemie babies but at the time of their meeting was subbing for another nurse and was delivering a prescription to someone who was sick in the hospital who DO was visiting. Hence the misinformation still repeated that they met in a psychiatric hospital where DO was allegedly a patient was just wrong. One evidence of that is what psychiatric hospital also has a ward for newborns?

DO made no bones about his vehicle’s living as what was then called a homosexual life style and being very sexual and mingling in high society and engaging in alcohol usage. TI expressed that DO’s vehicle got into all the things that were needed for him to be able to relate to students who had made those things their behaviors and ways, to help them overcome them as he did. That overcoming for him even began up to a year before he met TI.

This story of DO and TI’s beginning, that he tells in this tape, He and TI told their students in the 1980’s, if I recall even a couple times in parts before TI left her vehicle in 1985. Then DO wrote about it in the document; ’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew, which is part of the Heaven’s Gate Book still posted on Heavensgate.com. DO also spoke about it in the first of the twelve part video series entitled, Beyond Human – The Last Call that students appeared with him on, including me, as a “helper” task.

To me this is very important for the integrity of the true story to draw from all the sources as much as possible to have a comprehensive portrayal of the whole truth. This way people would be able to recognize what in the media that is still repeated by recent articles was misinformation and even disinformation as some slant a story the way they want to, to sell it, whether they do this consciously or not.

The setting of this meeting was just 5 months into DO’s splitting us up into 4 groups, of which I was a part, outfitting us with vans and camping gear to begin holding public meetings again. This effort began on January 1, 1994 (though we had two preliminary meetings  was after nearly 17 years (1976 to 1993) of virtual silence towards the public at large while students were led through the overcoming of humanness process that pushed out students who were not serious enough.

So in attendance of these Inverness meetings were some of the older students and the new students who had just joined after attending a meeting that was put on by one or more of the 4 groups (that became 5 groups as new students joined). Most if not all of the new students joined without having met DO, so these for some may have been their first meetings) with DO. Public meetings ended in Boston, MA on August 18th 1994. For a detailed list of all the meeting locations and dates from 1975-1976 and then in 1994 refer to section 6 of the Heaven’s Gate Book, also available on my blog; sawyerhg.wordpress.com

Audio tape begins:

DO: I don’t want to approach a meeting as casually as we approached this one. As far as noise and yikkidy yak and so forth. And we feel that it’s more appropriate for you to find your seats and make some order and be quiet for a few minutes and try to quiet your brain a little so that when we start to talk you’re in a little more receptive frame of Mind rather than my having to talk about it like we’re doing now. So let’s try make a habit of that so when we meet we try get our shuffling done before we meet.

In the night, I realized that there were a couple of things we started to talk about in our last meeting that we didn’t finish and I know you have full tummies and you didn’t get much rest last night and I don’t know if you had a chance for a nap today but I know that probably some of you didn’t get a chance, maybe some of you did? Did some of you get a little nap? Some wanted naps and some didn’t. Did you get a nap? (asking a student) well, I just really want you to do your best to be as alert as you can and as receptive as you can and I also want you to if a question comes to your mind, jot a little word or two down so that you remember the question, and ask it and I would welcome you.

I started telling you last night about TI and Do and their jail time and something happened and we got on something else and I thought well they could wonder all kinds of things about TI and Do and their jail time. Just to give you a little brief understanding of that.

One of our students — or the first person who came with us said wherever you go I want to go and we didn’t know what was happening we had just awakened.

But we had shared with this individual whose vehicle just happens to be a sister of one of the vehicles in the classroom now but we had shared with this individual what we were aware of during our clumsy period of trying to accept some Next Level Mind in and she said is there any way I could tag along? And for a while we said no, maybe we could meet you for a day or two from town to town we’ll let you know what direction we’re going and maybe we’ll meet you and then we’ll go our way and you go yours and we could meet you again.

So this went on for a while and she had a petroleum company credit card that she said this would help you some I know your needs are great I want you to feel free to use this credit card for gas money. And the funny thing is, I think we used the credit card two or three times and that’s all we used it and we kept feeling uncomfortable about using it.

On Christmas Eve, I don’t remember the year but it was the year of Kohoutek I do remember that. Anyone know what year that is? Sometime in the 70s after 72 before 75 after 72 – somewhere there 73 or 74. TI and I found ourselves in a, you know, TI’s vehicle and this vehicle, the vehicles came from environments and backgrounds that were very comfortable, like many of you came from comfortable backgrounds but when this change was happening we were compelled to go with it and we had no concern for anything else and in the process, as I began to tell you, friends dropped away, family turned against us and I don’t know if some of you knew that this vehicle’s dad was a minister and this was extreme for a Presbyterian minister and this vehicle had become a Episcopalian and you know that really upset the minister to go to another denomination.

TI was a, which I think is extremely interesting symbolism because TI’s vehicle was a nurse in the nursery yet TI didn’t see the infants the way humans see infants. TI saw them completely different. What she would do is if she took a special interest in one of the infants she’d go do a horoscope on them. (class laughs)

And of course TI came from a very strong Baptist background but the more that she was beginning to awaken and her life was beginning to fall apart, one of the strange things that happened when TI and I met, when this vehicle was visiting someone in the hospital and TI came into the room to administer some prescription to the person in the hospital. So in addition to tending to the nursery she also tended to some of the patients in the room and that’s where this vehicle met TI was in the room while this vehicle was visiting someone sick in the hospital.

And from that day on it was madness because there was something that we had to do together and it was difficult to accept and I tried to stop it and TI would try to stop it and yet we were still compelled to do it and we didn’t know why we felt compelled to do it. I’m giving you just a real rushed – the older classmates have heard this in probably longer form.

And during that little time that we were working together and of course TI had family and this vehicle had already separated from family and children and had gone another direction and we opened a little place first called: Christian Arts Centre at the Unitarian church.

And in the Unitarian church we were studying everything people wanted to study, Eastern religions, metaphysics, Theosophy and the Unitarians thought it was great. And of course at the same time this vehicle was the head of the music at a large episcopal church and in that city an article had come out that we had opened this Christian Arts centre and we were teaching theosophy and study all of these crazy things and within a week the vehicle was fired from that task and people just very rapidly started turning away from us and wanting nothing to do with us.

The Christian Arts centre then moved way out in the country in order to get away from people and opened a place called “Know place” K-N-O-W. And at Know Place students came there and studied metaphysics and of course this vehicle was studying metaphysics as fast as it could study metaphysics because TI had a real running start and TI had to slow me down because I was so preoccupied with things the vehicle could read to try to catch up on that study – now all of this happened in a period of a very few months.

The Christian Arts centre had occurred in the summertime of whatever it was, 72,73 and by that December 31st or January 1st of that same year we had left that town altogether so we had Christian Art centre and Know Place that taught all these students and when we were out of town we said we can’t be relationship with – this vehicle was also teaching in a Catholic university and strange combination wasn’t it but because of what we were into and the grapevine was getting around and even though it was a large town – oh and also because TI said to me “we’ve got to live under the same roof” and I said, well what’s your husband going to say? and TI just, she didn’t see any problem! (class laughs)

I couldn’t understand how she could not see a problem with that and I said well I see how there could be a problem with that and she said oh no he’ll understand! And because he was the first one to make a major contribution to the Christian Arts centre and Know Place and then she went and announced to him that we were going to be in this separate place and I don’t know why but the Next Level just blinded her and she thought he was going to accept it and of course he didn’t.

And he thought that I wanted to steal TI from him because of human interest in her and all the people that or most of the people who knew us all this vehicles relationships and friends had thought I had been bewitched by this witch and I’m not saying TI would ever consider herself a witch, certainly not. But felt that I was under her spell and the same thing all of TI’s friends and relations had thought I was the demon that had come in and destroyed her marriage and her relationship with her children and all.

Well, this went at a very accelerated pace and the husband would stop me in the middle of intersection in town and try to pick a fist fight in the middle of the intersection with me because I was messing up his life and we had to get a court order to keep him from coming and tearing up things at Know Place and things were just madness.

And we didn’t know what was happening – all of a sudden the university job was going down the drain and work at the episcopal church was going down the drain and TI was working less and less at the hospital and we were spending more and more time at Know Place. And students were coming to Know Place and the girl I spoke of was a student at Know Place.

When we left at midnight of December 31st, it was strange that we left that town at midnight December 31st and 31 days… we left there and we went off to a – we rented a little ranch house in the hill country and we didn’t know why but we knew we had to be isolated and then things started happening very rapidly and TI said we can’t stay here and we have to make a living we can’t just stay here, we’re going to have to earn a living whatever it is we got to do or trying to do we’ve got to earn a living and I said we’re going to be taken care of and TI said well I don’t know who in the world you think is going to take care of us and so TI went and took a job at a nearby hospital for 3 days I think, until that was the end of that and after that we were just doing whatever we could to survive – which meant we were doing anything. We were janitoring at churches, we were painting rocks, anything to get by. With no concern at all of what we’d put in our tummies or what we would put on our backs or how long it was between laundry it was like all of a sudden nothing meant anything to us except what we were doing, whatever it was we just really didn’t know what we were doing.

And this individual when Kohoutek came we found ourselves in St. Louis in a snowstorm and first of all fast we went to Los Angeles in that hilltop area we lived on money we picked up out of the beach. Down on Hermosa Beach the waves would wash in coins. I mean literally wash in coins and we could make 5 or 6 dollars a day picking up coins that would wash up on the beach. That was all the Taco Bell and all the tostadas that we needed and then some! And we did that for a while the we migrated – all we had was a little sports car that was Do’s vehicles – just a little Fiat 2 seater sports car, two suitcases tied on the back of a little sport scar and we migrated to Las Vegas and stayed in a backroom of a metaphysical centre of a very dear friend (DO chokes up a bit) named Berta who still has a metaphysical centre there and when we had a group there that gave a meeting there years ago he stood up and said “These guys are for real. They were with me for so long a time and I believe everything They said”. And he gave a really good testimony at one of our meetings and then migrated up to Oregon and found ourselves in Portland, coming down the hill from Mt. Hood the engine blew on the little sports car and just died a death across the street from an Ananda Marga house so we spent the next two months in the Ananda Marga house sleeping on the floor of the Ananda Marga house. And they were very good to us and they were very interested in what was going on with us and we were regular attendants at the theosophical chapter in the town and whatever else that we could learn we spent hours just like we spent hours at this little chapel here we had a friend offered us a house to could stay for a couple weeks here in Inverness.

We told what we knew, which was bits and pieces, to a writer who lived in the house behind us who was the same writer who did the story for Jurassic Park. And he was very very interested in everything we had to say and he would come back and just want more of whatever we had to say and all of a sudden one day he was angry at us it was like we were demons and we were filling his head with stuff that would ruin his life and he didn’t want to hear another word, just very suddenly.

Well we had – after we were in the Ananda Marga house we moved while we were in one town somebody ran into the back of the sport car and an insurance claim came through for the damage that was done to the sport scar and it was 1600 dollars and boy were we rich all of a sudden, 1600 dollars. We bought an old jalopy in Portland and we put some decent tires on it – actually the money came through after we had bought the jalopy because we had gone to Gold Beach and we had no money at Gold Beach, Oregon and we were back on the Rogue river at the Hideaway Campground and all we could do was study the Bible and freeze to death bathing in that Rouge river and stayed in a little station wagon.

We had a cot in the back of the station wagon and one slept in the cot and one slept on the floor and we were there weeks and weeks by ourselves and we ate blackberries off the tree. We painted stones with astrological signs on them and sold them on the street on Gold Beach to make enough money to buy cream and sugar to put on the blackberries. And that’s all we had was blackberries with cream and sugar and we thought it was a feast, the blackberries were delicious and we never got tired of them. And then we just started lacing the country and we went though southern Canada a time or two just doing anything we could to get by – every kind of odd – We dug test tanks for septic tanks near Grants Pass… something rapids – Savage Rapids! And we dug these two six foot two foot wide things in this backyard for 20 dollars to buy us food.

I’m just telling you all the crazy things because we didn’t care what we did we did anything. And it didn’t matter, it really didn’t matter and we usually bathed in streams, with castile bars of soap that you can buy cheap and it was our shampoo and everything. These were vehicles that had been very particular and yet it meant nothing to us during this time nothing. Well we just laced the country doing anything and everything.

And that car we called Serpentine that old green station wagon that had served as our house died in St. Louis during a snowstorm on the night of the Kohoutek and – no that’s not quite right, it died in Charlotte North Carolina and we took a plane from Charlotte to St. Louis and I can’t remember why we did that but we took this plane but I had a credit card in my pocket that was still good and we had a lot of credit cards but didn’t want to use them but here was a credit card, still a good credit card and we had faith that if we used it’ll be okay to pay for it we didn’t have to worry about it – but anyhow we got to St. Louis at midnight and here we found ourselves at the airport and even we got off the plane there we were at a rental car place so we took the same credit card and said well we don’t have a car we don’t know what to do – let’s just rent a car until we know what we’re going to do so we rented this car and it was a Comet so it was a Mercury Comet, a brand new Mercury Comet and we rented that car and continued to lace the country and we’d go and talk to people, we’d talk to ministers anybody we could talk to and we were thrown out of place – out of place and archbishops would kick us out of the church and sometimes simple evangelists who had no education at all were frequently more interested in what we had to say but we visited – we went to Billy Graham’s home we went to Fallwells home in Lynchburg, Virginia and all these TV evangelists and tried to tell them what we wanted to tell them. Most of them wouldn’t see us – Oral Robert’s wouldn’t see us. I mean unless we had an appointment unless we were one of their followers, they didn’t care what we had to say.

Anyhow we rented this car and were oblivious to the fact that we had rented this car longer, it dawned on us that we had rented this car for longer than we originally intended to rent it for. So we wrote them a letter and said don’t worry about it we’ll pay you, we’re going to keep the car a little while longer and then I remember a little while longer we wrote a second letter and said ‘Don’t worry’ – this was to the company we rented the car from.

And then we were in Brownsville, Texas and we went to see this reporter and we told the reporter we had a story to tell him that was the most important story of his life and he said we’ll meet you somewhere because we said that we wanted to meet him in private and meet somewhere where we could talk to him long enough and we could really have a chance to tell our story to him.

Well we had no idea what this guy thought and this reporter thought we were going to tell him about illegal drugs coming across the Mexican border and so he had placed policeman and undercover police around the motel and all and we saw all these people standing around obvious that something strange was going on because they were watching us and here we went in to talk to him and said what are all these men halfway up the stairs down at the bottom of the stairs and in the door? And he said I don’t know maybe it’s because of your story and we got frightened. We left the motel and we took off running and immediately they thought uh-oh something’s wrong we were running from police, even though they hadn’t identified themselves as police but since we were running then they chased us and we went and got into our little Comet and started driving away from there as fast as we could go scared to death not knowing what was happening and next thing you know a helicopter came down with a loud speaker and cars coming from all directions and they were saying “Stop this car!” and the helicopter landed right in front of us, it was better than the movies and we were scared to death.

They didn’t know why they had stopped us because we were running and as they were doing a check on the car, on the licence of the car, the car had come back stolen and they put us in jail and we asked what the chargers were and he said “Stolen automobile” and I said what charges for TI? and they said, “Stolen credit card” – “petroleum credit card”.

Because the girl that had offered us the credit card did not know that her husband reported his card stolen to prevent anybody from using them so anyhow we were thrown into the Brownsville jail. I mean the Brownsville jail was like the livin end. Might was well been in Mexican jail. I’m not talking about any prejudice against Mexicans I’m just talking about these being hard jails. There wasn’t English spoken we were thrown in — well at least I was thrown into a small room half the size of this with 40 criminals that couldn’t speak English with double bunks you know you couldn’t crawl between them with one shower in the middle of the room and that was it. TI was a little luckier because the female ward wasn’t that full. It was funny because there was a girl in there that everyone thought was a looney tunes but the minute TI went in she said “Boy, you’ve got antennas!” (class laughs) “I’ve never seen anybody with antennas before”.

When TI and I were at Know Place and doing the things we were doing we had gone through the care to get scarab rings that meant something to us because while we were awakening we were studying Egyptology and all these things and when I went in the jail I didn’t realize I had it on and here’s this fellah in the cell that immediately saw it and immediately wanted it. And he offers to protect me if I gave him that ring, which I very quickly did. (class laughs) He was in for murder he had – there were several in the cell that were in for murder and there were some real looney tunes in the cell as well. Plus they would shoot up at night until they were just out of their minds and the behavior in the middle of the night was just unbelievable and I was glad I had some protection because this guy would go around fanning his hands with razor blades to keep anybody away from me and away from him. I had given him that gold scarab ring and so he was protecting me. I hated to give up that ring and I really really hated to give up that ring but I got protection.

Well the car rental company immediately dropped charges had no problem when it was reported to them that the car had been found but the district attorneys office in St. Louis where the car was rented decided that he was going to make some political points so he said he was going to follow through on the crime so I was extradited to St. Louis.

TI was moved to a jail in Houston and TI spent all together 30 days in jail and the charges were dropped on the credit card because the girl had had her husband drop the chargers so there’s no record on TI’s case but I had a little public defender in my case that kept saying: listen this is a Mickey mouse case, nothing to it. I’ll take care of it. And I kept staying and waiting and in the meantime while I was trying to get out of jail she was working as a nurse in the hospital trying to pay a lawyer to try to help me get out of jail and finally the public defender said if you would just plead guilty there would be no question about it because you would just get time served because your case is taking so long to get on the docket. I didn’t even bother thinking of the ramifications of pleading guilty, I was interested in getting out. So I plead guilty. And that’s what got me in the courtroom to finally get my case on the docket.

Anyhow, I used to read these Dell horoscope magazines in jail and I picked February 13th. On February the 7th I read the 13th – whatever it said for the horoscope for this vehicle and I said that’s the day I was going to see the judge that was the day I went to see the judge and I was released that day from the court and got a sentence of 4 months and I’d already served 6, so like I’ve said, they owe me two.

But I am a convicted felon in the eyes of the law. Now, you could say oh isn’t that awful – this vehicle’s family members visited that little Brownsville jail and they could not believe that I had lost my sanity and let this woman that we call TI lead me into whatever it was, Satanism, you know, bewitched, under her spell. And of course her friends and family thought the same of me. I watched the ones who had saw this vehicle as the shining star of the family you know the one who got more education, did all these things that they always wanted someone they could be proud of who ended up going nutty.

The point I’m making here is that the biggest favor the Next Level could do in having us move at an accelerated place was to have events occur in a way that our credibility was lost in a hurry. We were so naive that we would write long letters about what we were receiving to individuals that we still thought were individually our friends in the world. Trying to tell them about what was true, and that ended their relationship with us because we were then looney tunes in everybody’s eyes.

A strange thing happened. The mother of TI’s vehicle never once turned against us. (DO chokes up some) And that was extraordinary. She didn’t understand but she trusted us – she never once even said we even know that she never even said anything off color to any of the relatives in TI’s family. Her position was I don’t understand what’s going on but I trust they believe what they’re doing. Even though she had seen her daughter leave her husband and her children in a matter of months – life turned in a completely other direction. I feel that was remarkable, very special that she was capable of doing that.

Now I’m not saying that it’s necessarily true that every individual who wants to move in an accelerated pace in their overcoming of your worldliness has to lose all credibility in the world but it did us a great favor – I mean we both left all kinds of debts behind and left the vehicles loved ones behind – we ended up jailbirds I mean everything was blackened as far as our credibility was concerned which really helped because all we had was this pursuit and each other doing this pursuit.

So when you read what Jesus said to his disciples about you’ll be hated by all men and they’ll say all manner of evil falsely against you for my sake, that’s true, that’s true, and I know you all have experienced that. If you haven’t you may yet have it to experience. Some of you have experienced it more than once, a number of times. Well, I felt that it was important that you really understand that I felt the Next Level did us a favor to give us an accelerated ruination of credibility in the human world.

Also in the night I felt that TI was saying that I didn’t quite carry the analogy that we were talking about as far as using the little analogy of horses and how man goes out to find horses and the thought that was given to me that if you would even think of the vehicles that you’re occupying in that same analogy.

Think of these as those horses that got picked. And that you are not the horse, you’re the rider. And you have to break the horse. You have to break the horse. I don’t know if you’ve ever broken a horse, this vehicle has broken horses and I imagine some of you have broken horses but when you break a horse it means that the horse resists – it doesn’t  want to give up its wildness didn’t want to be controlled it does not want to do what the rider on it is telling it to do. It wants to throw the rider off but the rider stays on until the horse quits fighting and says you’re going to do what I tell you to do and nothing else. Some horses can’t be broken. Either that or the riders aren’t persistent enough in breaking it.

Now as I said to you that I don’t believe the Next Level ever put a deposit in a vehicle that was incapable of being broken by a strong willed driver or rider. And the vehicle that you’re wearing and it’s programming – it’s genetic programing it’s educational programing it’s parentage all of its programing is part of the package that has to be broken. Listen you are occupying a living animal that has responses that even shock you at times the way it responds. I’ve experienced that many times. I would think that all of you would realize that your vehicle has responded at times that would shock your mind. What you want to work toward is not my seeing a vehicle that the rider is trying to get a hold of but you want to see how fast, you have so much control of that, that when I look at that vehicle I see the Rider and not the horse. Because the rider has so much control of the horse that it’s the rider that then is projecting. The horse isn’t saying: ‘I’m sleepy, I’m hungry, I’m tired of listening to this or that or I don’t agree with that or what’s he doing that for?, what’s she doing that for? All these crazy things that are emanations of this animal that you’re wearing. You think I’m talking theory now but you have to come in and take over that vehicle.

Even if you — if you the mind, now wait a minute. Where is that mind? That mind that’s filling that soul is Next Level mind therefore it is not perishable mind – it’s days are not numbered it experiences no pain it has no handicaps that Mind is free it has no age at all it has no limitations it’s only the house that has limitations. So when the Mind is running the house its no different – then suddenly just a piece of machinery suddenly playing out if the machinery played out.

You follow what I’m saying? But you’re still – you have not and this is in varying degrees from individual to individual you have not identified with the amount of Mind that is now in your soul that has been given to you from the Next Level – that Mind has to increase so fast that you identify only with that Mind. Not the vehicle not with the old mind not the mind of the creature you are wearing. That creature has a mind of its own just like the horse in the corral has a mind of it’s own and you’ve got to put it in its place you’ve got to train it so that the slightest hand on those reigns makes the horse go this way and he’s just waiting for that signal from you as to whether he’s to back up, go left right, forward or which kind of canter it is exactly so that you’re so sensitive – he is getting his joy manifesting your desires – that vehicle you are wearing can even find a type of pride in serving you if you get control enough of that vehicle you’re wearing.

It can even be pleased it can become refined for the first time it can begin to act more like the Mind, within limits. You have to at least have enough control that the vehicle never does any behavior both mental or physical that can make a fool of you or pitch you on the ground or run you into the fence or whatever else it might do and that not making a fool of you has to be around the clock it can’t just be when you’re in meetings or when you’re with classmates or other times it has its ways and suddenly you wake up and say ugh I let the vehicle have its way, I’m not going to let that happen again and then it does it again and you say oh I let the vehicle have its way. That’s not breaking the horse. That’s the mind taking over. You have to experience enough abstinence of animal behavior in order to receive enough of that Next Level Mind for that Mind to begin to take over. Without experiencing enough abstinence of human thinking and behavior you’re not opening the door for that mind to begin to take over. It’s that same analogy we used last night that the higher octane that is Next Level Mind cannot come in if there’s still lower octane mind in there or if it begins to creep back in or you permit it to come back in, it will go right out – you have to work twice as hard to get it back in because it’s not convinced you want it in because you just made a fool of yourself and made a liar of your intentions.

Now we all go through periods of difficulty in breaking the horse. But the Next Level is like the Marine Corp it just wants a few good men and that means strong men, and I’m not talking male I’m talking individuals we don’t get service in the Next Level by loving the Next Level and thinking this is just a real sweet trip. It’s hard work there is no task on this planet to compare to the work that it takes to keep your head free of doubt and judgment and human thoughts and human behavior or all the things that will stand in your way. Don’t forget TI still sets you up in order to develop your strength because the Next Level wants a few good servants they don’t need masses. They don’t need any of us. They don’t need me. I need Them. Without Them I am nothing but TI does not need me, TI could drop me like that because TI’s allegiance is to TI’s Older Members.

*** end of tape – it continues onto tape two of this meeting ***

DO Audio Transcript – Inverness 5-24-1994 part 5 of 5 – Earth as a type of Holodeck

July 3, 2019
DO Audio Transcript – Inverness 5-24-1994 part 5 of 5 – Earth as a type of Holodeck

Summary: talks about the earth as a “hologram” like in the Star Trek holodeck – hard matter or not. How easily the Next Level can recycle and choose what parts to recycle. Luciferians are part of the “hologram” and with recycling evaporating them and having a new crop of them to serve as the negative in the new garden. Mentioned the idea of a rectangular earth in the midst of the waters.

(Transcribed by Nisha – Edited by Sawyer)

Do: If something serves a purpose and works as a design as to whether or not it can be wiped out pushing a button within a lab in the Next Level and all that was really something that —

Lets take a hologram situation like in ‘Star Trek’ – you go up to the holodeck and you can experience things and while you’re on the holodeck it’s real! And those are real experiences and real lessons and you’re actually in the time of the hologram and therefore everything in it matches with the lesson of that time and that period. Of what value is it to think it has to be of hard matter that could not be wiped out? You see what I’m saying?

Because I believe that the Next Level is completely capable of pushing a button and wiping it out now I think that they have on their keyboard though, they have one red button over here that could wipe out a whole galaxy if They wanted to but they also have lesser buttons that can wipe out all the plants on planet earth if they wanted to – if they wanted to just quickly recycle planet earth so it was sent then the nutrients to be a garden again but I believe that they can actually — they evaporate – its just can be designed to not be there anymore and it’s restored to a ball of water that had a rectangular body matter of earth and then it separated and separated its purpose and it served a function of a fertile garden. This fertile garden, I can’t believe otherwise it’s due a recycling I mean it is spent. It has been so destroyed. It’s environment, the mind of it on the planet, everything about it needs recycling.

And so why not? What’s the big deal? The Next Level — anything that is of value on the planet, I think they also have a button to pull off anything of value that they wanna keep just like you do on you’re computer. You can tab certain things that you can extract from there then delete anything else. And anything that is of any value that they wanna save I think they can easily extract and then everything else evaporates and then they start a fresh. A new crop of Luciferians come in because the old one has no use anymore. They’ve gotten too perverted.

Arrody: Does that mean in any way that the Luciferians themselves could be part of the program or part of the hologram?

Do: Oh, absolutely.

Student: That they’re kinda like —

Do: Nothing gets out of the hologram. Except that, which gets into the Next Level. As far as I’m concerned nothing gets out except what’s going to the Next Level.

Student: So Lucifer is really just a bug in the hologram that you want to keep fighting against.

Do: Oh, absolutely. When you seperate from the Next Level, when you separate from the Next Level, either the Next Level separates you then they have a choice whether they have purpose in keeping you. In other words letting you serve a certain purpose even as a negative. But when you separate then there is no life in you, there’s no truth in you there is no part of Them but you are seperate but can serve a purpose for them in certain developments of gardens. Tllody.

Tllody: I wonder how long it took him to figure out when he got kicked out how much he didn’t know, how much he – much he didn’t take into consideration. He tried put vehicles together and wouldn’t work to have eternal life.

Do: Say your question again?

Tllody: Well I wonder how long after he got booted out — you know, he thought he knew alot of things. How long did it take him to figure out these are the things he didn’t know and how long it took those things to catch up with him.

Do: Well, I’m not sure. He would have to have some more good Mind in him to know the limits of what he didn’t have – to know that he was restricted. So he probably still works at thinking that he might be able to accomplish what he has in mind accomplishing. Had he known the truth and not had ignorance that had him seperate, he would never have seperated in the beginning. So he had to seperate in the degree of ignorance of thinking you know; ‘I’m tired of this monarchy I’m going to form my own monarchy’. But I don’t believe that happened as much as the Next Level says ‘I’ve had it with you, and you’re out of here’.

Then in order to exist you have to exist defensively. I mean you have to defend your position to then have to create the world with what you’re capable of drawing upon. And of course what he was capable of drawing on was extremely limited by Next Level standards. He has to make concoctions and use things that were never designed to be used in the way he uses them. Therefore the end product is always a mess. Okay.
Trsody?

Trsody: I just, it was an observation that probably exposed my eyes rather than have them controlled but I noticed a bumper sticker the other day that said ‘Restore Wanda Wanda land’ which I thought was pretty appropriate because that’s, I think the term that they used for the little rectangular earth.

Do: Okay, wow that’s interesting. See you in a little.

Heaven’s Gate, DO speaks about “Days Being Shortened”

January 7, 2018

Here are five segments of things DO said about this idea of “days being shortened” and includes references to who the “elect” are and about debt in “sin” and the “karma” counterfeit concept:

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

1. Segment from:

Planet About To Be Recycled – Your Only Chance To Survive – Leave With Us (Edited Transcript of Videotape – October 5, 1996):

I hope this tape session with you will be the beginning of our relationship. If this tape session is used to validate your seeing us as anti-God, the Anti-Christ, so be it. That’s part of what we expect. That’s part of the necessity of what comes at this time. It’s the common thing for us to see each other as opposites of what we believe we are.

I’m so happy, because my time is short here. If you come with us, your time here can be shortened. When Jesus left 2000 years ago – or the one who was in Jesus, or when I left 2000 years ago – only a very short time after that, Truth was significantly corrupted. So that no matter who tried to use the name of “Jesus,” or of “Christ,” or His information – seeing it as true, seeing it as real, referring to what had been said of what it takes to come into my Kingdom – that fell apart, that deteriorated, that became unimportant. It’s a miracle that His Teachings can still be found in the gospels – they’re still there – you’d be amazed, you should read them again. Likewise this time, after I’m gone, when we leave, when we enter into my Father’s spacecraft in order to go into service in His Kingdom, the Truth will deteriorate as fast as we depart. It will leave this atmosphere within a very short time.

I hope for your sake that you will, at least, ponder this – don’t ask your neighbors, your friends, what they think of this. Instead, go into the privacy of your “closet” and see if you can connect with the purest, highest source that you might consider “God,” and ask: “What about this? Is this information for real? Is this for me? If it is, then please give me the strength I need to pursue it.” As soon as you tell anyone else, they will likely be used by the lower forces as their instruments to have you not believe, to have you stay in this world and wait for the “Heaven on Earth.”

We hope to be of some service to you in this short time before our departure. We believe it to be a very short time. So our thoughts will be of you. We hope that your thoughts will be of our Father’s Kingdom.

 

2. Segment from Last Chance Statement – January 16, 1994

Crew from the Evolutionary Level Above Human Offers – LAST CHANCE TO ADVANCE BEYOND HUMAN

* When the Next Level sent a crew 2000 years ago, the world “cleansed” or “saved” their world from its “blasphemy” and merely got the crew their boarding passes back to the true Kingdom of God on the true “Enterprise” (spaceship or “cloud of light”). If you seek to cleanse the world of our “blasphemy” this time, you will simply be the instrument of our “days being shortened” while destroying your “last chance” in this civilization to advance.
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* Many say they live only for the “Harvest Time” – the “Last Days” – the “Second Coming.” These have all arrived! There are souls – some of you, here now – who have received a deposit of recognition, and that knowledge finds you desirous of connecting and bonding with the Next Level. Those who have that deposit of Life will believe what we say, and know who we are. If they continue in that belief – sustain that Life (though Lucifer will do anything to prevent them from nurturing that gift) – they will be protected and “saved” from the approaching recycling and “spading under” of the civilization. They will have nothing to fear, nor will they know DEATH – even if they lose their human body. That continued belief will one day find them a member in the Level Above Human, in a physical body belonging to the true Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above Human – leaving behind this temporal and perishable world for one that is everlasting and non-corruptible. – Today’s Next Level Crew

Full document:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/planet-about-to-be-recycled-your-only-chance-to-survive-leave-with-us-2/

3. Segment from: Beyond Human – The Last Call – Session 9

Student: Yes, I asked what about sin and does karma have any validity? Do: Okay, let’s get back to the karma idea. Thank you. The idea of karma is that I pay for any misdeed I have done. In other words, some of the Eastern religions who believe in the idea of karma believe that, “If I kill somebody, then I’m going to be killed. That same thing is going to come back to me. If I murder somebody, I’m going to be murdered. If I treat somebody ill, I’m going to be treated in the same way.” And that’s a very close translation. Don’t forget, a counterfeit is always very close to the truth. Karma is a counterfeit. Some of what it says is true. Other aspects that it says are not true. Where it becomes untrue is that in our Father’s Kingdom our Father can send a Representative to accelerate your possibilities of getting closer to the Kingdom of Heaven. And that Representative, or that individual from that Kingdom, when they involve themselves in your task of overcoming and they assist you in that, they can from an Eastern point of view, or the karma point of view, they can take your karma. Our Father’s House’s interpretation of that same idea says, “I can take your sin, I can relieve you of your sin.” When Jesus said to his disciples that, ‘If you truly ask forgiveness, I’ll take your case to my Father, I’ll represent you to my Father, I’ll see what my Father says, and if my Father says it’s O.K., you’re truly sorry that you did it and you want a fresh start, you want to start over again, then who am I to say…because I’ll certainly give you that chance to start over again.’ In a sense, then, you would not pay for the sin that you did if you have someone who can take that from you. Now, it has to be a Representative of our Father’s Kingdom, as Jesus was, who can take that from you and take it on themselves. In other words, it was a debt that you had. You did a bunch of wrongs and they add up. Every time you do a behavior against our Father’s Kingdom, it starts totaling up on a column and the column can get pretty big. It can get pretty terrible. And if you had to pay them off, I don’t know how many Ages it would take for you to get them all paid off.

But this is also where “time shortened” comes in and where, as our Father’s Kingdom relates to some who are overcoming the world, that debt gets relieved or it gets dismissed. But not altogether, according to the rules that existed in a number of stages of this particular Earth Age. Now, what I mean is it didn’t get relieved altogether. And here’s where Christians traditionally theologically interpret that Jesus paid it all for you. ‘By His blood were ye redeemed.’ In a lot of sense of the word, that’s absolutely true, and we’ll talk about that for a moment. Because He said to His disciples, who were actually physically, personally relating to Him, and as they did things that were against His instruction in their overcoming and they recognized it, they acknowledged it, they asked forgiveness for it, and He said, ‘I’ll take it,’ and He took it. By taking that debt, He’s got a bunch of notes He’s holding here. They were your notes, and now they’re His notes. And I’m not saying it still isn’t the case, we don’t know. We’ll talk about this in a second. But for a long time in our Father’s Kingdom, the process was, or a decision from the “Parliament” in the Kingdom, we’ll say, or from the “Supreme Court” in our Father’s Kingdom, said that those notes have to be paid, somebody’s got to pay those notes, those notes of sin. So, if I’ve committed a bunch of sins and somebody takes my note and relieves me of it and washes me clean and gives me a fresh start, then that somebody who took those notes has to pay for that. And if my total sin certainly amounted to the probability of death had I not had someone to dump it on, I would have “died,” I would have lost my soul. And that was the case. Had those souls that Jesus was dealing with, not known Him…. They got some help in being directed to Him, but it also required work of them to pursue Him, to believe Him, to fight off the influences and the doubt that the world gave them. It would have been a lot easier for them to say, “Boy, it’s getting too hot around here. People are hunting for Him and they’re going to be hunting for me soon. I think I want to go back and play it safe.” I mean it would have been real easy for them to stop in their process, because they could have easily said, “Well I just can’t believe that He’s who He really says He is. We don’t have any evidence of this.” I mean, that happened. He lost them; He lost many who were in line for entering our Father’s Kingdom as sheep of His fold or as students of Him as a Teacher.

Now we’ll go back to where we were. If death is the wages of sin, and these who came to Him brought their tally to Him, He took their pink slips, or their notes of indebtedness, and then He had to pay for it in death…and He did. You heard me in an earlier tape (and I hope that you paid close attention) when I said that whether or not He died on the cross, literally diagnosed by a doctor (had there been an advanced doctor present), and rose from the dead, that to base your belief of knowledge from our Father’s Kingdom on that one act, and say, “If it wasn’t so, then it’s all a farce,” and we said, “That’s ridiculous.” We also said that it didn’t matter to us whether that act was staged symbolically or whether it was real. But here’s another possibility, and we’re speculating, that the act could have been very real, had the law still been on the books in the “Supreme Court” as it was handed down, that those debts had to be paid. And if their debts equaled death, then it could also mean that since Jesus took them on, the only way He could pay them was to go through having the sinners (those who were against Him), who were adding up their own tally of the same sins, be the ones who then initiated that death. In other words, they were then used to pay the debt for those who were His students, who gave their debt to Him and He wiped them clean. And He was willing to do that.

Now, our Father’s Kingdom is alive and well and “Parliament” is still in session and has not ended. It still makes decisions and it still relates to the Chief of Chiefs. The Kingdom exists. The King is still on His throne. The whole thing works. As to whether or not that same parallel would have to be drawn today if a Representative took those sins, or those notes of old debt of sin, whether they would tally death, we don’t know. Or whether the law has come down in specific cases, because it’s always judged according to the specific case – it’s not prejudged in that respect. Oh, it is prejudged, unless it has been changed. But anytime that something tests it, then you go and check the books and you see if that is still what’s on the books, and if it is on the books, then that is what happens. We don’t know what’s on the books today. We don’t know, for example, if that kind of thing would have to happen to this vehicle, if I would have to lose it in that way because of my relationship with these students, or what would happen to their vehicles as they relate to you if you continue in the direction that you’re going and they continue in the direction of possibly serving as Older Member or Teacher as they relate to you.

Boy, this requires that you travel fast, doesn’t it? We don’t know what’s “on the books.” And we don’t guess it. As we have said before, we are not into any martyr trip. We don’t like that. It’s unnatural. It should not be. It was not designed for anyone to like martyrdom, or to think that they get spiritual elevation by it, which could be a mistranslation (or counterfeit information) of what happened at a death which paid a debt, and then therefore freed the one who paid it and went on up. And it’s true if people say Jesus didn’t owe that debt. Those sins weren’t His – even though at one time He had gone through that same process that they were going through a long time ago. Because that’s the way, don’t forget, that children get into our Father’s Kingdom, and certainly Jesus was one who got into our Father’s Kingdom.

Now exactly what the lesson plans were, and the particulars about graduation at the time that Jesus graduated into our Father’s Kingdom from a human kingdom, or a human-kingdom equivalent, we don’t know because we don’t have that information available to us. Don’t forget that we have also talked about how every individual on this planet in this Age could have been a created individual instead of one born of sin. I’m afraid that’s true. That is sin. That is a condition that was brought to them from a kingdom below. It was an animal condition. It was not intended for human. Even though a human was designed to have the capability of doing that act and they had the option to do it, but they have to look away from their relationship with the One assigned to them by the Kingdom of Heaven in order to participate in that act.

Now, the reason I’m bringing that back up is because Jesus could have graduated in a class or from an Age where that didn’t happen, whether that’s only theoretical and did or did not take place is unimportant. The fact is that the kingdom of man, the kingdom of human, is designed to go both ways. And by choice in this Age that we know from our history books – our history books being primarily the one history book (the Bible) that most of the public questions the most as to whether or not it’s an authentic history book, the one that does actually tell about God’s, our Heavenly Father’s, our Creator’s relationship with man, is the one that the deceived questioned the most as to whether or not it is an authentic record or if it is a collection of some spiritual documents or legends, and yet it is the only record of events. There’s a lot in there that you could quibble over. For example, punctuation that means a lot in your understanding of things, and yet for the most part, the Biblical scriptures have no punctuation, so you don’t know where one sentence ends and the next one begins, and it could have a lot of different meanings. So, how much of it that man altered, because of misinformation, since that’s where Satan camped the most to give misinformation to those who were the rightful heirs of our Father’s Kingdom…it gets pretty sticky doesn’t it?

Full document:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/beyond-human-the-last-call-session-9/

4. Segment from Beyond Human – The Last Call – Session 7

(Speaking to whoever watches this video…):

You can be in the same mindset that we’re in – that we anticipate entering our Father’s Kingdom soon. We feel that what has been shared with us can shorten the days of the elect. If you have come here from our Father’s Kingdom to finish your overcoming, then you know what we’re saying is true, and you’ll be waiting and craving to go full throttle in finishing that off, knowing that there is a short time in which to do it. Because of the time that we have had in preparing our lab and preparing our heads in our own overcoming, and because of what we have learned, the picture is so clear and it is so big to us and so much has been shared with us. Because in the time that we were doing it, it was a slow process, getting one item at a time. But now we see those items and we can see them clearly, and we can share them with you. Therefore, the Next Level through us sharing them with you, can shorten your days to such a brief span, in that sense, for the elect their days are shortened.

The “elect” would mean that you have been picked to finish your overcoming. You could say, “Oh boy, I placed such a ‘high falootin’ interpretation of what the elect is, how could I be one of the elect”? Well, if the Next Level picks you, don’t question it. Let them be the ones responsible for that. I mean, look what they’ve picked. We can’t take the credit for anything in our own overcoming. They’ve given it to us. They’ve fed it to us. If they hadn’t fed it to us a step at a time, we couldn’t have done anything. They did it. They gave us the ingredients, by our asking and by their choice of giving, so that we could be recipients of overcoming. So, if you are one that is prepared for overcoming, then you are as lucky as we are lucky and can receive their gift, and we want to serve in that way. We certainly don’t want to interfere, and we were learning that we could interfere by turning on something that could cause you delay in that process. I’m so thankful that it was shared with us so that we can avoid sharing certain experiences we have had that might delay your overcoming process. If anything, we’re just as concerned with your days being shortened as you are, because we’re so eager for this task of ours to reach completion. It becomes fearful for us to think of the time that it might take, but we’re not going to listen to that fear.

Full document:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/beyond-human-the-last-call-session-7/

5. Segment from “USA TODAY” Ad/Statement May 27, 1993 “UFO CULT” RESURFACES WITH FINAL OFFER:

When we came before (2000 years ago) the world “cleansed” or “saved” their world from our “blasphemy” and merely got us our boarding passes back to the true Kingdom of God on the true “Enterprise” (spaceship or “cloud of light”). If you seek to cleanse the world of our “blasphemy” this time, you would simply be the instrument of our “days being shortened” while destroying your “last chance” in this civilization to advance.

Full document:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/02/11/do-returned-jesusmosesenoch-writes-ufo-cult-resurfaces-with-final-offer-in-usa-today/

Planet About To Be Recycled – Your Only Chance To Survive – Leave With Us

January 7, 2018

Planet About To Be Recycled – Your Only Chance To Survive – Leave With Us

Edited Transcript of DO’s Videotape – October 5, 1996:

This is a very exciting time for us. Who is us? I’m “Do” (pronounced “Doe”) for starters, and I have in front of me a number of students, or my classroom, or in old language of a couple of thousand years ago, my disciples – those who are trying to prepare themselves for entry into the Evolutionary Level Above Human, synonymous with the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven. We’re going to talk to you about the most urgent thing that is on our mind, and what we suspect is the most urgent thing on the minds of those who will connect with us.

We’ll title this tape, “Planet Earth About to be Recycled – Your Only Chance to Evacuate is to Leave With Us.” Planet Earth about to be recycled – Your only chance to survive or evacuate is to leave with us. Now, that’s a pretty drastic statement – pretty bold – in terms of religion, inn terms of anybody’s intelligent thinking. To most people who would consider themselves intelligent beings, they’d say, “Well, that’s absurd. What’s all this doomsday stuff? What’s all this prophetic, apocalyptic talk?” You know, intelligent human beings should realize that all things have their own cycle. They have their season. They have their beginning, they have their end. We’re not saying that planet Earth is coming to an end. We’re saying that planet Earth is about to be refurbished, spaded under, and have another chance to serve as a garden for a future human civilization.

Now, the reason this is such an interesting time is not only because we’re on the threshold of the end of this civilization (because it’s about to be recycled), but because of where that finds us, and where that finds you – where that finds those who would judge us – how we would speak of them, and how they would speak of us. Now, you might say, “You keep saying `us’? Who do you think you are?” Well, I, in all honesty, to address that must first acknowledge who my Father is. My Father is not a human father. My Father is a member of the Evolutionary Level Above Human – the Kingdom of God – the Kingdom of Heaven. My Father – long before this civilization began – gave me birth into that Kingdom Level Above Human, that Kingdom of Heaven, that Kingdom of God.

Now, you can say, “I can’t believe that!” Well, it’s up to you whether you believe that or not. That’s not important to me, even though I wish that you could believe it for your sake. For those who do believe it stand a possibility of having a future beyond this recycling time. Now, you say, “According to religious literature, I thought there was someone else who was going to come and be our “Savior” here at these last days – that that was going to be Christ’s return?” Well, the name “Christ” or the name “Jesus” might be a little confusing. Because the name “Jesus,” of course, was merely the name given to the body that that mind (that was indeed from the Kingdom of Heaven) incarnated into. That mind was here 2000 years ago, and that mind came for the express purpose of teaching humans how they could be “saved”- how they would not be plowed under at the End of the Age. Well, we’re now at the End of the Age. So that mind that was in Jesus – What? That mind, that spirit, that soul is me, and in this body called “Do” that you’re looking at? You’ll have to decide that for yourself. I must admit that I am here again. That I’m here saying exactly the same thing that I said then, trying to say it in today’s language, trying to hope that, for your sakes, you can see what we have to offer you. For the Next Level, through my Father and through me, is offering you LIFE for the first time – and we’re not talking about human lifee.

Now, the planet is about to be recycled, and we say we see the planet as a steppingstone – planet Earth as a steppingstone. Just as with a civilization, that civilization can evolve upwards – each segment within that civilization has the option to become more civilized, less barbaric. It would be better for them if they took more civilized options. Not that they necessarily do. Sometimes they seem to appear to be more civilized when, in fact, they have become more barbaric, more quick to condemn the rest of the world, more quick to kill the rest of the world that does not think as they think.

Well, I know what I said a few moments ago. I said that I am the return of the Son of my Father. I’ll tell you something that’s even more remarkable: my Father came with me this time. He came in the early `70’s, took on a human form – an adult female human form. He helped me “get into” an adult human form, in the early `70’s. And we together helped those who came with us (our students, who were also here 2000 years ago as disciples) get in the bodies that they are presently wearing – so that they could rid themselves of human behavior, human activity, human thinking – so that they could be ready at this time to move into the Kingdom of Heaven or the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

These that are sitting before me have been students of Ti and Do – Ti, my Father – and they are still students of Ti and Do, even though Ti returned to the Heavens in 1985. Ti is my Heavenly Father and is the One who gave me birth into that Kingdom before this civilization began. Now, I’m not here to sell you on that, or who I am or who these are. I’m here to offer you, as these are, an opportunity to know the Truth, so that if you can connect with it, at any level, then you might survive the re-spading or the recycling that is about to occur.

We made a tape just shortly ago, and in that tape we said that there are three types of individuals who will survive the recycling. One type is those individuals who have overcome their humanness enough that when the End of this Age is complete, when the war is over (the spading complete, there is nothing left here except for recycling), when the end of that occurs, that first type will have reached a condition of having overcome human behavior, human thinking, human desires – desiring only to be in the Kingdom of Heaven, in the Evolutionary Level Above Human, being of service in that Kingdom. When they have done that overcoming to that degree, at that point they are a match for a physical body belonging to that Kingdom.

Humans think that this is a flesh body world, and it is. But, more importantly, it is a human flesh body world. The Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven, the Evolutionary Level Above Human also has bodies. I wouldn’t say flesh bodies because they have different characteristics. But it is a physical body, a biological body, and in a sense, it is equivalent to a human body for that next Evolutionary Level. It doesn’t need the kind of fuel that humans need, for it’s not a mammalian body. It doesn’t reproduce. It’s not male nor female. It probably would look like what you might consider a very attractive “extraterrestrial.” Most of the illustrations of extraterrestrials these days have been grotesque – looked like giant insects, or slimy reptilians, or have eyes so big that you could fall into them. An extraterrestrial that we would consider a genuine extraterrestrial is not a “fallen angel,” is not a “space alien.”

We see fallen angels and space aliens as synonymous – fallen angels and space aliens are synonymous. And the Next Level – the only real extraterrestrials – have a body similar to the human body. The human body was made from the same basic design, the same general form, except the human body is more animal than that Next Level form. The human body has hair, needs teeth, has physical characteristics that are appropriate to this environment. When you go into an environment that does not require eating things that you have to pull off the bone, or crack the shells off the nut, then certainly teeth are not needed. A Next Level body in a non-earthly environment also needs no hair. That Next Level body is a creature that looks very attractive, has two eyes, some remnant of a nose, some remnant of ears – what you would call remnants – even though they function very well as nose, as ears. They have a voice box, but don’t really need to use it, for they can communicate by thought – communicate with their minds. And that’s an extraterrestrial – that is the “body” belonging to a member of the Evolutionary Level Above Human, the Kingdom of Heaven, the Kingdom of God. It’s true, they could seem unattractive to you if you’re really “into” human flesh bodies and see them as beautiful.

You know, there are sayings that there is seed of flesh, or there are things that are born of flesh, and there are things that are born of spirit. Also, born of water is synonymous with being born of flesh. If people really understood the more accurate of the religious literature, and could read it as it was intended to be read, they would know it clarifies that seed of flesh (human) was and is, literally, seed of the negative, the opposition, the space aliens, the fallen angels. Therefore, to the Next Level, human flesh has become a product of the lower forces, and is of the kingdom level beneath the Kingdom of God – that kingdom level that rightfully should be only a steppingstone leading to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Now, this understanding isn’t meant to put you down or to say that an individual is necessarily “evil” just because they’re wearing a human vehicle. I’m wearing a human vehicle, because I have to wear one for this task. I don’t like it. It doesn’t match me. And those who sit in front of me don’t like their human vehicles that they have to wear for this task. But they have to wear them, because the task of overcoming the human kingdom requires that they overcome human flesh – the genetic vibrations, the lust of the flesh, the desire to reproduce, the desire to cling to offspring, or spouse, or parents, or house, or money, or fame, or job, or, or – that could go on and on – overcoming the human flesh and its desires – even its religious desires. There is not a religion on the face of the globe that is of God, as it is today. All of those ideologies that are called religions use corrupted records and corrupted interpretations of man’s relationship with someone from the Kingdom of God, the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

In other words, it’s like the religious literature (the Bible, the Torah, the Koran, etc.) are written as time manuals. So that ancient religious literature, with its laws and rules, was appropriate to the time that it was written in and to that phase of civilization. Less ancient literature, with its laws, was appropriate to its own particular age. What did the “Lord” God – the one who was here long before the Messiah came – say to His people? Through His prophets, He said, `I will send a Savior, a Messiah to help you get out of the human kingdom,’ knowing that some humans should certainly reach a condition where they would be ready to move up into His Kingdom by that period in time when His Representative – the Messiah – would be sent. When thee One He sent came as the “Messiah,” truly some in the civilization at that time were prepared for the information – the steps, the requirements – that that Messiah had to offer to those who would seek His Father’s Kingdom.

Well, that Savior came, that Messiah came. And after a brief teaching period with those He picked – those who were His disciples/students – He said, `I will come again.’ And His Father sent Him again. And for me to say that I was and am He, is to most, utter blasphemy. In other words, what I say to you now is a direct, present, current transmission – information from the Kingdom Level of My Father, the Level Above Human, the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven.

Today’s Christians say they are Christians and think they are Christians. And yet they seldom quote the most important things that Jesus said. Jesus said, `If you want to know My Father, if you want to move into My Father’s Kingdom, then shed everything of this world – leave everything behind – and come and follow Me. And unless you hate everything of this world, your sister, your mother, your brother – everything of this world – you will not know the Kingdom of Heaven. You have to graft to Me, you have to cling to Me, if I am to literally take you into My Father’s house.’ Most Christians, world over, mostly frequently quote Paul – who never sat with that Representative (Jesus), nor was Paul ever a student of that Representative. Christians say, “Oh, I love Jesus. He’s in my heart. I’m filled with Jesus. Jesus wants me to live an abundant human life. He wants me to have riches. He wants me to have more children so that I can bring them up with Christian family values.” I don’t remember Jesus ever saying that, “What I want you to do is to go get married, have families, have children, and together bring all of them and I will take them into the Kingdom of Heaven.” He only spoke to individuals – and said, `The only way out of here is for you to know that as an individual this human world is not for you – that tie that binds you to the human kingdom is not for you. If you know it is not for you, then come to Me – and My Father will feed Me information that can nourish you – and help you overcome this world – and we’ll leave this world, and we’ll go to My Father’s Kingdom.’

Remember, we’re not talking about a spiritual kingdom – no clouds, no harps – even though we are talking about in the heavens. But the Heavens are no more spiritual than when you go out at night and look at the Heavenly bodies and see them. They are literally there. They are physical. My Father’s Kingdom also moves or travels in spacecrafts (some of which are even organic). You could say, “Oh, my goodness, that’s outrageous.” Well, you don’t like the illustrations of chariots of fire or wheel within a wheel? You don’t like the illustrations that are in your religious literature that tell of spacecrafts of my Father’s Kingdom? “Clouds of light” – at that time they didn’t know what else to call them. Even when they saw angels that they said had wings – how else could they have described that they fly? That didn’t necessarily mean they had feathers on their backs (though that possibility exists as well). Certainly some of these illustrations mean that they came to Earth in a flying object and they left aboard that flying object. And when they saw Jesus ascend, they said, “He went up into that cloud of light.”

Now, I’m not trying to make a big deal over the means of transportation issue. For a spacecraft – belonging to the Level Above Human – is much more than a piece of transportation. It is a very valuable work station. It is commonly a place of service to the Level Above Human. These students that are leaving this kingdom level to go with me to my Father’s Kingdom, to my Father’s house, these will not go into houses on some planet like Earth, and reproduce, and have families and sit and watch television and make scrambled eggs. They’re going to be genderless individuals, in service – full time – for whatever need the Level Above Human, the Kingdom of Heaven has for them. And the tools they use, the workstations that they use are spacecrafts – all sizes. Spacecrafts that are so small that a very small crew could fit into them because that small spacecraft is best suited for that given task. Spacecrafts that are so large you can’t even see the outer extremities of them. They could look like something larger than a planet to the observers, because that size craft is best suited for whatever laboratory work or experimentation is going on. All sizes are used for a variety of purposes.

How can these students be effective servants in that Kingdom if they’re worried about their children, or their dogs, or their horses, or their cats, or how much time they have to put in at the Rotary, or such things as that. As individuals they serve one or two individuals – older Representatives of that Next Kingdom – who are their instructors for their assigned tasks. Just as in the task that we’re in now with this classroom – these look to me as their Older Member, their instructor, for everything. I look to my Older Member for everything – to fill me in on what these students’ needs are and how I might be used to instruct them. I’m not just talking about their physical needs, but their mental/spirit/soul needs – how they can most effectively make their change from human into the Kingdom Level Above Human.

Now, this is not to say that we know that there is a guarantee that we will all go on board a craft together, in order to leave before this spading under occurs. We will definitely go on board a craft to leave before the “spading under” occurs. You could say, “Well, what’s the difference?” Well, the difference is that we don’t yet know if we are going to take these flesh bodies on board that craft or if we will leave these flesh bodies behind before we board. We don’t believe that Our Father’s Kingdom has much need for these flesh bodies. But, it’s possible that a spacecraft will come down, and we’ll walk on board that craft, and they’ll take these bodies from us, and issue us the ones that belong to that Level so that we might begin our service. It is also possible that part of our test of faith is our hating this world, even our flesh body, to the extent to be willing to leave it without any proof of the Next Level’s existence, other than what we have come to know: that we have nothing to fear; that we are in Good keeping; that we can leave the body that we’re in and Be that soul, that identity, which totally survives that separation – whether it is by martyrdom, because someone went crazy over our “righteous blasphemy,” or whatever event that might separate us from that human body that we are wearing. Our faith is primarily based upon our trust in our Older Members. We do know one thing – we don’t care to cling to the life of this body until it naturally “gives up.” We don’t care to be aborted by the body that we’re wearing. We care more to abort it in proof to our Heavenly Father that we trust Him and are ready to leave this place. We’re ready to go into His Kingdom. And they, these students, have to say to my Father, “We trust your Son. We trust the One You sent for our sakes. Even so much that we have no hesitation to leave this place – to leave the body that we are wearing.. We know that whatever happens to us after we leave this body is a step forward from what we were, and that we don’t care to be here any longer.”

Earlier in this tape I spoke to you of three types of individuals who can be salvaged from this re-spading. One type that I mentioned was those who have overcome enough that they will get an issue of a physical body belonging to the Next Level, and go into service, as a crew member, working for the Next Level. A second type of individual that can be salvaged from this planet at this time are those who don’t quite reach that point of overcoming by the time it is time to leave. But they are still faithful to the best of their ability in their effort of breaking away, leaving their humanity, and looking to us – looking to me, looking to my Father, looking to the Next Level – to give them the strength and the understanding of how they can break away more quickly. So wherever they are, to the best of their capability, at the time of our exit, even if they are not ready for issue of a Next Level body – they may have to experience a time in a civilization that is yet to come and do more overcoming of the human kingdom. But they will be in the keeping of the Kingdom Level Above Human, just as these have been in the keeping of the Kingdom Level Above Human – not just here at this time, in this generation, with me and with Ti.

“Ti” isn’t Ti’s name, by the way. “Do” isn’t Do’s name. I’m not even given to tell you what my name or Ti’s name is. The Next Level wouldn’t have humans know what our real names are. I had to put that in for the record, so that you would understand.

Back to the previous subject, the second type of individual who can go into the Kingdom of Heaven is one who, at the time we leave, has not completed their human overcoming to the satisfaction of the Next Level, and therefore the Next Level will bring them back when a civilization is at its development point to be a “match” – at the point where those individuals might pick up where they left off. Then they will reach “issue time” for a Next Level body by or before the end of the next civilization.

The third type of soul or individual who can go to the Kingdom of Heaven now, with us, and be in the keeping of that Kingdom, are those who either hear our voice right at the end of our task, or have received this information and don’t know where it’s coming from. In other words, some might hear our voice and might know where it is coming from, might know that I exist in physical form here, about to leave. Others might not make contact, but something tells them, “I’ve got to break away, I can’t stand to stay here. I’ve got to put my life on the line for the Kingdom of Heaven.”

The lower forces’ whole effort is to have potential members of the Next Level not succeed in remaining faithful to the end so that they might prevent them from coming into the keeping of the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven.

So, here we are. We’re going public with this information once again, right before we leave. This is like putting ourselves right out on the chopping block where the lower forces will have a chance to try to demean us, have the world turn against us, and try to do us in. It will challenge all those who are religious minded to look at us and say, “Hmmm, how could that possibly be the Truth, is this not the Anti-Christ or the spurious Messiah?” “Spurious Messiah” is the term that some prominent television/satellite ministries use in describing the Anti-Christ, who, they say, is to arrive on the scene before Christ returns. So, in their eyes, since the Anti-Christ has not yet arrived, then Christ’s return must be at a later time. Well, I hate to tell you, but the Anti-Christ – the spurious Messiah – has been on the scene ever since my Father and I left 2000 years ago. And he and his helpers have worked as hard as they could through religions, through governments, through “acceptable” morality, through “responsibility as a human,” to brainwash humans to expect “Heaven on Earth.” Those lower forces have “programmed” humans, especially Christians, to see our arrival “on the scene” as the Anti-Christ. Those fallen angels – those humanoid space aliens – would have humans not look to or expect to go to a Kingdom of Heaven, but to look for a Heaven on Earth – where they might reign as your Christ – to work toward the future – to be preoccupied with replicating or reproducing children – and laying aside enough money to take care of those children so that they will have a future, and they will have a future, and they will have a future. A future in what? – the human kingdom? What an abomination! To the Next Level the human kingdom is, at its best, nothing more than a potential steppingstone. It’s clear that anyone who wants to stay in the human kingdom – and make it some sort of divinity – is looking to some “spurious Messiah,” an anti-Christ indeed.

Now, I know that those who are expecting the arrival of the “spurious Messiah” – “the anti-Christ” – if they become aware of this tape and of Do sitting here saying what I’m saying now, they’ll say, “That’s the one. Because I warned you that the spurious Messiah would say, `I’ll take you out of here. I’ll rapture you into my father’s kingdom.’ ” And that’s what I’m saying. I’m saying that, “If you can believe my Father’s information, if you can believe the Truth that we share with you, and if you believe it enough that you can put your trust in me – and that could be a “big dose” for some – you will soon find yourself in the safekeeping of the Kingdom of Heaven.” These students in front of me know me well. If you have some of my Father’s mind in you, you can have recognition as well, even with only this brief viewing, though I’ll remind you that the lower forces will do everything they can to have you lose or doubt that recognition.

We have a website now, you know, it’s the popular thing – everybody has to have a website. Our website on the Internet is called Heavensgate. Heavensgate – oh, of course, .com. Everything is .com. We’re not .org, we’re .com. So if you want to, you can learn more about who we are, what we have to say, what I have to say, what my Older Member can share with you through what we have said, and know of our history. We have nothing to hide. Even though to some, we might be a dangerous cult. We understand that. Why dangerous? Because we threaten the family, we threaten the established norm of family values. If you knew Jesus 2000 years ago, you would know that exactly the same thing occurred. And that the reason for getting rid of Him was because if people really began to follow Him to any significant degree, it would threaten the political, and certainly the religious norm. His teachings were clearly against what the mainstream was teaching, what the norm was in the governments or the family, and certainly against the religion of that time.

Religion today is an interesting thing. Remember how we said a moment ago that the religious literature like the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, are time manuals. In the time that something was written, as the Lord or as God related to man, it was appropriate for them at that time. And yet we have the bulk (if not the vast majority) of humans on the planet today who are very religious living exactly as they were trying to live some 5000 years ago, or some 4000 years ago. They never made it to 2000 years ago. But 2000 years ago, a chance to get out of here, was available to those who listened to what the Next Level’s Representative had to say. A chance to get out of here – out of the human kingdom – whenever it is offered, requires everyything of you – that you, as an individual, go join some cult – that you leave everything behind – that you ignore the members of your faamily – that you ignore the responsibility to your community – that you ignore your career – and that hearts will be broken.

I don’t mean to make light of that, “that hearts will be broken.” I know that hearts are broken. I also know that anyone who leaves to go to my Father’s Kingdom, that any heart that is broken in the process of that transition, can easily be more than healed, if that heart looks to my Father for healing, and looks to my Father for understanding. That soul does not need to see this as a terrible experience. Many times, the worst things in the human kingdom that can happen to us, end up being the best things that could happen to us. Because we learn “in depth” lessons as a result of those difficult times. Every life that was touched by these who are sitting in front of me – every life that was hurt or experienced pain by their leaving and becoming students of mine and of my Father’s – was hurt, severely hurt. Some of them still hurt. They could actually say, “Thank you, God, for the lesson that is mine to learn in this experience. And as far as that individual that I used to call my son or daughter, or my husband or wife, I put them in Your trust. I cannot tell them what they must do with their life. That is their decision.”

We cannot judge each other. I cannot judge you. I don’t care to judge you. You will judge yourselves by how you respond to what we have to say, by what you can accept and what you can’t. In some cases, it’s almost better that you never see me, or hear what we say, for that will put you to the test of whether or not you will condemn me, whether or not you will judge me. You cannot hurt me. You cannot hurt these. We can only be hurt if we displease our Heavenly Father.

It’s funny that the world – the mainstream human world – is so quick to condemn and judge (those who are not like them) as if they were God Almighty. They would also judge those who would follow us, determining the worthlessness of any that would join some cult, assuming that that is the worst thing that anyone could possibly do, for they are being brainwashed and led down the wrong track into some occult camp, and they’re going to the devil. What is the devil like? Know your literature. What do the fallen angels like? They like the pleasures of the human flesh – the aspirations of this world.

What is told to you in all religious literature – that you will find if you ever reach the Kingdom of Heaven? There, there will be no males, no females, no children, no families other than your relationship with God – your Lord. Your Lord is whichever Member of His Kingdom He has given to you, assigned to you as your Helper, your Instructor, your Teacher. This is so simple that it sounds unreal-unspiritual. This information would be easier to accept if it were more spiritual, if it were more complicated, if it had more ritual with it, or more trappings of religion. In my Father’s house, no incense is required, no flowing robes, no tinkling bells, no genuflecting, no sitting in the lotus position, no things of “spirituality,” even though our Father’s Kingdom requires cleansing of the spirit/the mind. It requires ridding ourselves of the mind of the human kingdom – ridding ourselves of the lusts of the human world, and of the binds to the human level.

“Being filled with spirit” is an interesting thing for you to think about. What happened when the illustration was made that Jesus was with John the Baptist, and was being baptized, and a dove descended and He was “filled with the Holy Spirit”? “Filled with the Holy Spirit” meant that the major portion of Jesus’ mind, His Next Level identity, was entering the body that He was wearing to the degree that the vehicle’s human mind was no longer affecting Him – He had aborted that mind of the human kingdom. He was “filled” with the mind of His Father. The mind of His Father is “Holy Spirit.” Any mind of the Level Above Human is pure Spirit – is Holy Spirit. To think of “being filled with the Holy Spirit” as something that comes-and-knocks-you-down-and- makes-you-fall-on-the-floor-because-somebody-is-trying-to-heal- your-broken-knee, is an abomination. It is anything but the “Holy Spirit” that you’re being “filled with.” Likewise, to “babble” in some indiscernible “mumbo-jumbo” and call it “speaking in tongues” or “being filled with the Holy Spirit” is also an outrage. It might be an experience of being “filled with the spirit,” but it certainly is not the Holy Spirit.

You know, a soul is another very interesting thing, because my Father’s Kingdom plants souls. And souls become the great separator as they are planted. My Father’s Kingdom plants souls in many humans each time a Representative of the Kingdom Level Above Human is to be incarnate on planet Earth – plants many souls in many human plants. Now, even though they’re planted in the flesh, because the flesh is what has to be overcome, they are really planted in the spirit of that flesh. The spirit being the mind or the intelligence of that flesh. And you can say, “Well, does that mean that everybody doesn’t have a soul?” Yes, that’s exactly what it means. But it also means that anybody can have a soul that can believe in my Father – the reality of my Father, the reality of His Son, and the reality of His Kingdom.

In other words, those who are given the responsibility and the task of planting those souls, plant them in all of the human plants who have a potential of making that step – using that steppingstone – and getting out of the human kingdom and into that Next Kingdom Level. That soul, as the separator, helps the individual, in their mind (in their spirit), abort human thinking, human evaluation, human behavior, and replace it with the mind that they get from the Representatives – the mind of the Next Level – fill it up, fill it up, fill it up. When it is so filled and enough aborting of human mind has occurred – then that individual has come into viability – has come into bloom enough that that individual is ready to go to “quartermaster” when they leave this planet, and be issued a body, of service, belonging to the Kingdom of my Father.

Now, let me say this: all human plants – even in their genetic structure – have a little bit of Heavenly mind, or mind of the Kingdom of God, mind of the Evolutionary Level Above Human (I have to say all of those each time I say it, just to remind you I’m talking about the same thing). Each human plant has a little bit of that Next Level mind in it. So theoretically, and this is true, that if there is a human listening to me who, in fact, may not at this moment have a soul, but that plant listens to me, and says, “Could it be true, what Do is saying? It sounds crazy, but I wonder if that’s true?” Even that degree of curiosity would attract the attention of the Next Level crew which is assigned to planting souls. That crew will be sure that a separator (a soul) is immediately made available to that individual. So that deposit of a soul could happen very, very quickly. They’re not going to let it happen, that any potential recipients of their Kingdom not have the needed receptacle of Next Level spirit coming into full blossom as pure spirit, pure mind, of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Now, let’s go back to the topic of urgency. I don’t know if you are aware that a great deal of literature used by many scholars today, says that the calendar that humans use is off by 4 years. And that Jesus was born in 4 B.C. Now, if Jesus was born in 4 B.C., and this is ’96 A.D., could this be the year 2000 – the millenium, the beginning of the end? That’s why we’re talking. For us to surface with who we are and the information that we are surfacing with, we know, could challenge you to want to squelch us. It’s interesting that we see the world – we see the world – as the anti-Truth, the anti-Christ, the spurious Messiah. The world – those who want to stay in the world – will see us as anti-Truth, anti-Christ, spurious Messiah. We’re prepared for that. We know that that is inevitable at this time. That was inevitable 2000 years ago – that is what found Jesus sentenced to die on a cross.

Remember, we said that the third type of person who can actually be salvaged at the end, can be taken into the keeping of the Next Level, simply because they believe in what we say. That simple belief is what occurred in the mind of the thief who was on the cross next to Jesus. When Jesus recognized his belief, He told him that, `this day he would, upon their departure, be with Him in paradise.’ He knew that he seriously believed. And He knew that is all that it took – is for him to believe who He was. Even believing Him in a condition when He was being killed as a heretic – against the Church, against the systemm. The Church today certainly will see us as against the Church. The Church of today is not of God. Though once the true followers – the Church – were of God. The only true Church of today are those who are connected with the present existence of the Next Level, the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven – and the Representative from that Kingdom.

This time is so exciting to us, even though we know that it is close to our end, and that is why it is exciting to us. We don’t expect to or want to build a Church on this planet. We don’t want any gothic Cathedral. We don’t want any membership roll. We don’t want to help you reproduce so that we have more children to put on the Sunday school roll in our Church. We are a group of believers in the Kingdom Level Above Human, who want to leave and enter that Kingdom, and become of significant service to that Kingdom.

This does not mean that when in the human kingdom, that a strong humanitarian drive is not a healthy thing. Because really a strong humanitarian drive is motivated to improve. But if you could only see that a human condition is a temporary condition, a steppingstone, an opportunity to get out of this kingdom, then you could accept this Truth. This is as scientific – this is as true as true could be – but you have to know me, you have to trust me, you have to believe me. Some can know me now. Some can even know me for the first time when they see this tape and say, “I don’t know what there is, but there’s something in my head that makes me know that fellow, and makes me know that what he’s saying is true. And I may be wrong, but I’m going to try to find more out and see if that’s what I need to be a part of. Because I know that this Earth has become something that is not where I belong.”

It’s funny – not funny – it’s really sad that a segment of my Father’s Kingdom, in particular my personal Heavenly Father, related to a community that is today considered the early Jewish community, and worked with them preparing them for my presence here 2000 years ago and now. And yet, the Jewish community of then and now, would certainly see me as anything but a Representative of God. The Muslims, who are considered by some to be the enemy of the Judeo-Christians, many of them have sustained a more real connection with God – with some higher standards of behavior, and with more restraint. You know, one of my students reminded me just today that they came in contact with a Muslim who said, “Look, you know you people of the West have a wrong idea of what we are. We don’t praise Mohammed. We don’t worship Mohammed. We consider Mohammed a prophet of many prophets. Many of the books of our literature are about Jesus. And I say, `Great is God’ more than 50 times a day, because God means so much to me.” God means so much to many of them that they are more modest in the clothing that they wear. Many are more on guard against sensuality and “worldly” things. God means so much to many of them that they are willing to die for God and justify that frame of mind more quickly than they would a willingness to die for nation, or die for world. I’m not saying that Muslims are the ones who are going to inherit God’s Kingdom any more than anyone else. In the eyes of the Kingdom of Heaven, there’s no such thing as race or color or religious background. It doesn’t matter – none of it matters. If the extent of your religious background was Star Trek – that in itself could be the best background you could have, if you could accept this as Truth, if you could accept this as reality.

This is a test time. You could easily say, “Here’s a little bitty classroom, with some old fellow with a prune face sitting here, calling himself Do, saying, `I’m a Representative of the Kingdom of God.’ How can I believe that?” If you have some of my Father’s mind in you, you will have some recognition of us and this information. Even though once you recognize me, the forces of this world will dive in with all their might to have you lose that recognition, to have you not trust me, to have you come to your senses, and come back into the service of this world.

I hope this tape session with you will be the beginning of our relationship. If this tape session is used to validate your seeing us as anti-God, the Anti-Christ, so be it. That’s part of what we expect. That’s part of the necessity of what comes at this time. It’s the common thing for us to see each other as opposites of what we believe we are.

I’m so happy, because my time is short here. If you come with us, your time here can be shortened. When Jesus left 2000 years ago – or the one who was in Jesus, or when I left 2000 years ago – only a very short time after that, Truth was significantly corrupted. So that no matter who tried to use the name of “Jesus,” or of “Christ,” or His information – seeing it as true, seeing it as real, referring to what had been said of what it takes to come into my Kingdom – that fell apart, that deteriorated, that became unimportant. It’s a miracle that His Teachings can still be found in the gospels – they’re still there – you’d be amazed, you should read them again. Likewise this time, after I’m gone, when we leave, when we enter into my Father’s spacecraft in order to go into service in His Kingdom, the Truth will deteriorate as fast as we depart. It will leave this atmosphere within a very short time.

I hope for your sake that you will, at least, ponder this – don’t ask your neighbors, your friends, what they think of this. Instead, go into the privacy of your “closet” and see if you can connect with the purest, highest source that you might consider “God,” and ask: “What about this? Is this information for real? Is this for me? If it is, then please give me the strength I need to pursue it.” As soon as you tell anyone else, they will likely be used by the lower forces as their instruments to have you not believe, to have you stay in this world and wait for the “Heaven on Earth.”

We hope to be of some service to you in this short time before our departure. We believe it to be a very short time. So our thoughts will be of you. We hope that your thoughts will be of our Father’s Kingdom.

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Pineapple Street Episode 5-The Tape from DO to Terrie – TI’s “daughter” comments by Sawyer

November 18, 2017
Here is the link to all the Episodes: https://www.heavensgate.show/
(Just scroll down to Episode 5)
Here are my responses:
The host saying this tape was “kept a secret for almost a year”, I guess from the student body, is misinformation, any more than the president is required to share everything he does and says with the general public or the head of a corporation or of a family or in the military. DO wasn’t keeping it secret from us. That’s a spin. Do and Ti taught us all to operate as a crew. We had departments and tasks and one department didn’t need to know what another department was doing. The teacher even of a cult doesn’t owe the students anything. We must remember if we want to see the whole truth, that each of us joined by our own choices and stayed in the group for as long or short as we wanted to so this tape was not a secret – it was simply information we didn’t all need.
The Host said DO was “less a prophet and more a lonely, sad, scared human being…” – another spin to even use the fact that DO showed his deep caring for TI and for Teri against him, similar with the way Episode four portrayed TI as a hypocrite for showing care towards Terri. A prophet is someone who “speaks inspired by God,(the highest source we can imagine)” so DO wasn’t any less of a performer of that prophet task by speaking honestly about his feelings. Saying he was lonely in one context has it’s application because as he said he had grown to depend on TI. Yes, sad he was, though he didn’t linger in that vibration and scared as well but it didn’t stop him from quickly getting back on the horse, so to speak.
Jesus evidenced being sad and scared at times:
I remind for those that think there is any truth to the Jesus story,  He was quite sad sounding “weeping in the garden” after he learned he needed to complete the task he knew he came to do by laying down his life (he learned on what became called the Transfiguration mountain visit), more or less committing suicide since he knew well from many evidences that the high priest of the Pharisaic sect sought to kill him – they tried to stone him a number of times because he was supplanting their authority over the Jewish people. It was in those historic records that he wept and asked in his prayer to his Father, who was in the heaven’s at that time, if that “cup” (task) could be removed from him, though then accepted the task and mustered the strength to perform it. Jesus also felt alone on the cross when he couldn’t feel his Older Member’s presence. I witnessed DO several years after Ti left feeling “underwater” – not feeling Ti’s presence with him (though from outside her vehicle, so at a greater distance as well) when we moved from Boulder to Atlanta, GA in one of three times where we lived east of the Mississippi river. Both Ti and Do always felt they felt most in tune with their heavenly Father (Ti’s Older Member) when they were located west of the Mississippi River but at times had instruction to travel east of it.
It’s not only humans that feel things. Members of the Next Level still feel. They can be happy and they can be sad. They are not robots however they don’t have the same kinds of things they feel happy and sad about. The same with “fun”. Members of the Next Level have fun but it’s not the same kind of fun that horses have when they run around a field.
To DO’s students, their exit by laying down their human bodies lives was not a tragedy and it doesn’t have to remain a tragedy for anyone affected in a difficult sad way, but they will have to seek their Heavenly Father’s help or the highest source they can imagine to begin to feel that, though I know sometimes that’s easier said than done, as I can attest to when I “fell”.
Ti’s dying wish to not tell Terri about her vehicle’s death:
Terrie indicated that she didn’t believe what DO said about his following Ti’s dying wishes to not tell “them” (Ti’s vehicles family). But there is a lot of evidence that DO was correct when he said this. A big case in point; TI lost her eye approx. 2 years before her vehicle expired from liver cancer on June 19, 1985 and TI chose not to tell Terrie even though it seems she wrote some letters to Terrie after the time of her eye surgery. Isn’t that very strong evidence that Ti didn’t want to tell her. I can imagine why in both cases. What good was it going to do for Ti to tell Terrie? It would just stir up more anxiety in Terrie. It was showing care for Terrie.  Ti could have visited Terrie then and many times as we spent close to 5 years or more before Ti left her vehicle, living in Texas to include Dallas for several years and Houston for perhaps a half a year and Austin for maybe a year and San Antonio and Kerrville for about a year and Amarillo for a big part of  a year. I think that was kind of Ti because of how that would have re-stimulated their bond and it would have had to be broken again and again since TI was 100% in support of her mission. Sending letters without any return address or phone number was TI’s way to try to give Terrie a little comfort.
Where the host said, in regard to Ti’s eye removal, “…how everyone in the group could see the tumors on her face and the scars it left”. That is a 100% fabricated lie to state that as a fact. The facts are and I hope someone investigates this, if it’s possible, is that one couldn’t tell at all that her eye was removed. At first she wore a patch over that eye, that is until she had a glass eye made and there were no scars I could see and I did see Ti many times up close (but perhaps mostly that was before the eye removal, when we had the Yeast Lab, as she’d come into that lab to answer questions). But I can’t remember seeing her glass eye up close but maybe that’s because I’m not the most observant person or my focus when she was talking to me or us in person or in a meeting, I was so focused on listening to her that I didn’t pay any attention to her vehicle. I admit I was most always in awe of TI and of DO.
I trust DO’s feelings about Terrie feeling something subconsciously. When something is subconscious it’s not conscious. Now I know I’m bias in that way but it’s from experiences seeing things Ti and Do said that I questioned and then later seeing them the way they saw it.
Terrie was told she would be given their materials:
They did give Terrie the materials. It just ended up being the same way they gave the world their materials, via their book and web site. For all those years before the Book and web site, Ti and Do carried around a camera they were given by someone to videotape the pickup when it happened. We carried around that camera for years in storage and other materials. Frank (Andody) should be able to verify this, and that every year or so they tried to put all their affairs in order the same way they did when they finally left which people don’t know much about but included giving people certain things, cars, van’s, money, etc. I wasn’t on the “purser” task except on rare occasion as a check partner so I don’t know the list of things they did to not leave a mess of those affairs at their exit, though they didn’t know when they would exit and how. They taught and demonstrated “covering their bets,” so to speak. So no doubt Ti and Do planned on giving things to Terrie so that was an honest intention when he said it but then things changed and DO wasn’t responsible to update Terrie to those changes even though it did still happen in another way.
As far as his being in touch with Terri like he said, that could have also happened but after they left or even while still around, though not by anyone in their visible physical bodies, is one way to look at it that is quite realistic to consider but I know sounds crazy to many to think possible. It’s the idea of the reality of what used to be called guardian angels, workers from the Next Level who are physical but can change the vibration of their physicality to render themselves invisible to humans and human technologies. I could go into more about that but I won’t right now since I’m always so long winded. Plus when DO said that he was trying to comfort her and I don’t doubt he fully thought he would but again his first priority was to keep Their classroom in forward motion and He had a crew of unseen helpers just like Jesus described having. Next Level members are not about their “self”. They all operate with a crew minded mentality so saying he would be in contact would be equally honest if some of his crew fulfilled it, whether Terri was aware of it or not.
As Terrie recognized when TI and DO first returned to visit her, I think perhaps in 1973 and/or 1974 or so, the mother she knew had changed. I think Terrie said her voice changed. I would suggest that when more of her Next Level Mind came into her vehicle she became less and less the person and mother she was, just like what happened to Jesus. When Jesus was notified that his mother and brothers wanted to visit with him, he said, “who is my mother and brother but those who…” – are the students in his classroom – they are his new family. TI selected the name TI and in that last letter even signed it, M which could be seen as fully consistent with that, without stirring up more anxiety than necessary so I presume out of kindness or perhaps she always signed Terrie’s letters that way.
As far as Dncody and Lvvody saying they would be back and then not coming back. I can only guess that they might not have been instructed to say they would be back or DO changed his mind and I don’t know how long it was after that, that DO sent the audio tape but DO was operating even then on what guidance he was still getting from Ti while outside his vehicle.
On Frank’s saying “we were shocked”, if I recall his saying “we” that doesn’t speak for me as I think I remember saying in one of the interviews I gave the Pineapple Street crew. I was not shocked. I know it sounds like I was dumbstruck the whole time in the classroom but none of the things that happened, the changes in understanding and all had any affect on my commitment to Ti and Do and nor did I have an emotional attachment to Ti and Do nor my classmates then especially but nor was I conscious about doubting anything or if I did, I ran that thought off and it was never a major deal for me.
Yes, as Terri said, Jesus is about love but it’s love for one’s Heavenly Father that was the First Greatest Commandment and most applicable when they are incarnate and the way we can show that love to our Heavenly Father when they are not incarnate as Jesus taught was to show our love for our neighbors in the same way we love ourselves, the Second Greatest Commandment that Moses taught as well and that Ti and Do demonstrated as well and did so way beyond words.
When DO converted his suffering to a positive recognizing that it was his task to complete the task without Ti’s close physical partnership he new Ti’s exit was right. I didn’t know at the time and only learned it when I dug into the entire Book of Revelation, that Ti’s exit ahead of the rest of the class was in the plan.
DO says TI is the Revelation 12 “Woman” and how the “flood” of negativity “burned out” her vehicle (eye and body):
Ti and Do were never scripture quoters though they knew them on a deep level I learned later. However around 1985 before Ti left her vehicle he had us bring bibles to a meeting that Ti didn’t sit in on which was very rare. He told us that the Revelation 12:1 “Woman” was referring to TI. Based on that after I left when they helped me re-awaken some, as I dug through most every word of the Revelation, I saw how every verse in Chapter 12 could be seen as directly correlating with what I knew and observed about Ti and Do in their relationship of “Father to Son”, etc. So Ti was hit with a flood of negativity that was a persecution of her and she lost her eye to that battle the same way in a sense we can have a physical condition because of a mental battle we are dealing with whether consciously or not, which Ti and Do also taught about. Then the woman is “helped by the earth” by the “earth opening her mouth” to swallow up the flood. By her vehicle dying the flood went into the “grave” because she was not in a human vehicle that could be affected by that negative flood of thoughts and feelings against her.
Also regarding Their original belief that they would be killed and resurrected – rise again from the grave, that too was 100% fulfilled when one knows the details and really examines the definition choices to the terms used and how in the translations they make some assumptions one would never be able to see unless they got the truth from belief in who Ti and Do are/were. And I’m not saying it couldn’t have happened exactly as the prophecy describes and as Ti and Do thought at first. But this entire project is for the Next Level an experiment and what makes it an experiment is not knowing exactly what the human responses will be to them because they designed us to have free will, so certain things can go in a number of ways. For instance the 3 and a 1/2 days is also said as a time, times and a partial time. Even so Ti and Do did feel their mission was dead for 3 days when the news broke about DO’s felony conviction, etc. that by the way was dropped by the plaintiff the rental car company but became a political football but that resulted in DO being seen as a “thief” just like in prophecy “thief in the night” where night represented the way them come “undercover” invisible – in secret – incarnate. And instead of “kill” a far more accurate translation for Greek “apokteino” would be “separate by dying themselves”. Ti by taking her task that as DO said “wore out her vehicle” was choosing to let that take out her vehicle, giving her vehicles life to her Next Level task. DO and Crew did the same but by instigating their exit directly as for them it was also a test of faith and commitment to DO. And Ti was the one who instructed us to make our commitment to DO.
My book is full of so much evidence that they were exactly who they said they were that it’s unbelievably believable. The book is found for free on my blog:

Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

October 20, 2017

Below is the access information for the Pineapple Street Podcast Series Heaven’s Gate and followed by Sawyers comments to each episode:

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Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts. I am calling them both “tests” and a type of filter. Because they were tests, even though they weren’t always presented that way, if someone was “on the fence” with their full commitment, they served to face us with getting off that fence, one way or the other, leave the classroom or stay on and become stronger for doing so.

(By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them was part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions).

I’m starting from when the self stimulated exit was first brought up directly as there were times before that, when it surfaced indirectly that I’ll add later:

1) In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting, for me, as an overseer of one of the groups, was near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which is when the idea of self exiting our vehicles was first introduced. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to a very short distance away. I remember feeling exhausted and wondering why, but didn’t let that thought linger. I wasn’t conscious that I was responding negatively to what they were providing. It’s only looking back and recalling it that I remember that negative response. None the less, it was a minor negativity for me and I said nothing and I didn’t think poorly about Ti and Do or question being with them at all. It was mostly because I didn’t want to do the work of moving the tents again. So I don’t really count this as one of the tests in the list because it was small a test, yet who knows how others felt.

2) The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level – “eyes to see, ears to hear”. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point, indicated by his saying “almost without exception”:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

re: what Ti and Do always described as “body changes” is shown possible by Jesus’ example of healing and demonstrating his new body that came from the old one. Christians refer to Jesus body after he healed his body from it’s dead state as having a “glorified body.” Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke adds a key piece not found in either Matthew or Mark’s account, showing that these two “men” as Luke referred to Elias and Moses were delivering a message at least one of them understood. In other words this was when Jesus was given instructions to “lay his body down” of his own volition which could be equated with a type of suicide as he knew well the Jewish leadership hated him and had tried a number of times to stone him and were shown later to have conspired for a way to capture him and have the Romans kill him. While addressing this, here is where Jesus directly says he was going to die on his Father’s instruction and that the humans were not taking his life from him. He was laying it down as the show of the greatest love one could show another, in this case his students, the sheep given to him by his Father to shepherd?

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Continuing on with when he received that instruction while on the Transfiguration mount:

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today for some has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

3) How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

4) In about 1977, Ti and Do held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”.

TI told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

I already thought that’s what I was doing but I’d bet to some who were on the fence of being in this group it could have been a shocker.

5) The test TI said to DO felt like she “had egg on her face” because of – the planned exit via a spacecraft that didn’t happen

Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. I wasn’t privy to how that happened. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

6) Ti and Do gave us instructions to think about what we might want in the world.

Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom and compared it to being in a snake pit. The “process” instruction they’d given us from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that.

However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

7) The first of two weekend long optional visits to our human families

Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had “anxiety” about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

8) The second  optional weekend long visit to our human families

I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

9) Mrcody (known now as Mark, one of the two Heaven’s Gate webmasters) and Srfody (known now as Sara, the other Webmaster are instructed by Do through each of their students to leave the classroom until such time as they are ready to accept all the lesson steps

In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to instill the recognition that what our Older Members say is what we must rise up to recognize. Thus is was also a way of helping deflate our self confidence and instead put all our confidence in our Older Members.

It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by.

The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

10) In about 1987 DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated and asked some if they had a reservation with taking that act.

At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. A day or so later, DO then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

11) DO offers any classmember $2000.00 to leave

It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

More accusations against Sawyer’s blog, video’s, Revelations Book by Carlan aka Crlody

October 19, 2017

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Carlan’s next comment on same youtube channel as above:
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Why should anyone listen to you when the group left a lot of information behind that they very specifically asked to be disseminated? Answer, you had some dreams that you expect us to believe were contacts from the NL. No thanks, I’d rather go to the pure, undiluted source rather than listen to your PERSONAL take on what the class was about.

Why do you think that you are more qualified to talk about the lessons in the Class than Ti and Do are? Answer, according to you “we have all the information that we need”. So, to you what Do said on the tapes to the students from 1985 to 1997 is not information we need but by your actions your blog, videos and book are info we need. No thanks, I’d rather listsen to Do than to your diluted ramblings about the Next Level. Do knew what He was talking about far more than you ever will. Do made sense to me, He was coherent. Your 19 years are NOTHING compared to the wisdom of Ti and Do. You arent qualified to explain what the class was about. Why do you think They left all of that info? They didnt leave you behind. Youre here because you are afraid to follow Them out of here. But like Rio and the Kings youve had to make up a big mission for yourself that you claim is for the NL in order to justify staying here and you get enboldened by all the individuals who follow your blog and videos. Theres nothing brave about what youre doing and even though youve been conned into believing that what youre doing is for the NL youre actually doing all of this for yourself. You dont get to be the arbiter of all things Heavens Gate just because you spent more time in the class than anyone else on the planet. I hate this place. Its a corrupt cesspool that corrupts our souls every day. The class’ info is still being suppressed and distorted and no one seems to care. All you seem to care about is getting recognition for your 19 years in thd class and continuing to add to your blog and your youtube channel and marketing your book as if its some kind of addendum to the HG Book. Ill pass on your book and your videos. You cant help me get closer to the NL. Get over yourself sawyer.?

 

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Sawyer’s reply:
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I guess you can ask anyone who watches these broadcasts why they would listen to me. So you are putting words in my mouth again. I doubt anyone at all listens to me because I had dreams. I’m not talking about it because of dreams (though I admit without the first bunch, I may not have come out of my fallen condition (to the degree I had fallen)).

I encourage everyone all the time to go to the pure information from Ti and Do and Crew. But that doesn’t automatically mean I’m necessarily “diluting” the pure unless I try to reinterpret what they said or give my “feelings” of what they said and interject my opinions about what they said (without including something else they said). If I am diluting wouldn’t that be on a case by case basis? I’m not saying I never have and I’m not saying I never will and I am saying that I’m always open to hearing from anyone that can show me where I might have departed from what’s pure from Ti and Do (and from Jesus).

re: Jesus – I don’t know if you knew that Ti and Do said we could trust everything Jesus was recorded to have said in the 4 gospels. I remember reading or hearing DO on a tape talk about how some of that record has been tampered with, but he still knew that the core of his teachings were fully in tact. Ti and Do said, the Next Level worked very hard to insure that that record was not lost or changed. They spoke of that parts we could count on as the Red Letters, referring to the way some bible editions of the King James put Jesus words in red letters. (you can check this out. You might find it in the audios. But you could also ask Mark and Sarah or any others that were in the classroom in the earliest years to confirm.

I never said I was more qualified to talk about the lessons in the class than Ti and Do are. You are saying I think that. Are you claiming to be psychically reading me? The truth is that I just can’t help but talk about my experiences. Maybe I just need to do that. Let’s say it’s a big ego trip for me. I’m not saying it is, but you have said that about me so I’ve considered it. If so, that’s between me and Ti and DO. Why is what I do so wrong in your mind by your standard, whatever that is? Show me how Ti and Do would disapprove? You can’t so you just make stuff up or take tiny stabs at the way I word my blog titles and descriptions and anything that might even hint at what you have a preconceived idea exists to prove yourself right to yourself.

Because of your constant and repeated over years disdain of anything I say or do (with perhaps a few tiny exceptions) I’ve wondered at times what you think “Standing for Ti and Do” means? Did we have any examples from Ti and Do and Jesus of what taking that “Stand” means to them?

I don’t know if you have ever answered any of my questions that come about because of your comments over the last 10+ years.

All you do is repeat the same stuff that tells me what I’m thinking and saying and doing and why as if you are judge and jury and the almighty student of Ti and Do.

When I hear this I tend to think, I better speak more because I know 100% is true that the Luciferian space alien fallen angels and all the discarnates on their team (know it or not) and all the humans who become their tools to work against the truth of the Next Level, want nothing better than for those who have the direct experience to shut up or twist – dilute and distort the truth from Ti and Do (as with Jesus and with Moses, etc.) and/or turn them against the Next Level in every which way conceivable.

I should be doing more video’s and will because something good is coming from it. I’m not saying Ti and Do need me or anyone else to bring that about. I am sure about that. The task of “standing for Ti and Do” is available to all of us who remain after their exit. But the facts are that the Next Level is not done with this human kingdom. They by DO’s account know there are people who will be among the “Second Type” – those who recognize DO as from the Next Level and are attempting to separate from the world but who were not ready to exit when they did or are not today ready to exit in the way they did. And then there is the “Third type” Do spoke about as those who were separating from their humanness in their own way who may not ever hear about Ti and Do.

So even if all the things you have said about me were true, so what? Let’s say I get to be a big shot and get to be in a movie or play my flute in some big venue’s or get to go on TV shows, blah, blah, blah, if I’m not saying things Ti and Do would disapprove of, like saying the “gate is closed” which some have said directly and indirectly and more people are taking another look at Ti and Do or a first look, how can that be wrong. Even if I became equivalent to a Luciferian space alien fallen angel because of all that fame going to my head in some way, why is this such a thorn in your side that you have to keep saying the same stuff over and over and over with less and less evidence that most any it would be of any concern to Ti and Do?

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crl ody’s comment to youtube video:
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It is the King’s choice to suppress the tapes, not Ti and Do’s. Are Ti and Do going to interfere with Mark and Sarahs free will? If we have “more than enough” of their mind written then by that logic we dont need any more written about what Ti and Do were about. We dont need books from former students. We dont need blogs from former students. We dont need videos made by former students. Former students can only give limited and diluted and quite possibly incorrect info on what Ti and Do were about. Ive seen this happen time and time again. RKK always felt that he was unqualified to explain what Ti and Do were about, hence his only interest was in disseminating the info as per the Class’ final requests. No one on this planet is qualified to or sanctioned by Ti and Di to explain what They were about. We did not act on dreams we had in the Class. We did not receive our instructions from the NL in dreams. Do addresses this on one of the audio tapes. These are Sawyers videos. They are not made by Ti and Do. These are Sawyers viewpoints, not Ti and Dos.?

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Sawyers reply:
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Crl Ody and anyone who comes upon this:

-I never said nor implied it was Ti and Do’s choice to suppress the tapes.

However, I believe it was a “test” they gave to Mark and Sarah in particular, since DO gave them the CHOICE of how to handle them as evidenced in the letters. In the letter addressed to Mrc/Srf are the main 5 points that show what was left as their task to choose to do, how and when.

All the audio tapes were in the storage they are speaking of here as “items” (point #1) and “items of value” (point #2)) and it’s clear that anyone who felt inclined to disseminate their information. Note they didn’t say anywhere what the limits were to disseminating their information, nor how to do it ie. blogs, videos, audios, spoken word, books, meetings, etc. That was left up to each individual.

1) “We put into storage items that we would prefer the authorities not have access to. You can do with those items whatever feels right to you. The only exception to this is some exercise equipment which belongs to our landlord, Sam, and we suspect he will want at some point.”

2) “Pursers have included an additional document as part of this packet that further covers the disposition of our cars and this truck. So we ask that you refer to that document for details. It is our desire that any items of value that are retrievable by you be divided among those who feel inclined to disseminate our information. Any of the funds you retrieve can be used towards that end and for the living expenses of those involving themselves in this project.”

3) Referring to a CBC producer/director named Debbie Geller, who wanted them (the class) to participate in a documentary, who worked out of the New York office, they wrote,

“So, for this reason, we are recommending that they be involved to some degree in the coverage of this event, that is, if their attitude seems to remain somewhat objective and you find working with them not too difficult. Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about.”

4) “Also we want to make it clear that we’re certainly not asking you to do these tasks if, after receiving this information, circumstances make It too difficult or other options seem more appropriate for you. We want you to feel free to exercise any available options with whatever timing feels right for your own next step. No doors are closed to you.”

5) “We also asked OSC to register the Heaven’s Gate book with the Library of Congress and that if he needed any funds to accomplish this, that you would cover it out of the project funds that you have on hand.”

6) In the letter addressed to RKK where he received their “hopes” he could accomplish, i.e. the press release, updates to the web site and some people they had been in touch with):

“Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about”

Thus speaking on their behalf was part of what they hoped He and thus any who felt to participate in their “project” (that referred to after their exit) would do. It’s also interesting that there were detailed instructions on how to handle their video tape exit statements and the Beyond Human Video tape series masters, indicating their wish that they are to be distributed for the “widest coverage” but said nothing about the audio tapes in storage. (I think it wasn’t spelled out because it was meant to be a test for all involved then and thereafter)

Here is the link to my blog post that includes a bit more:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/08/08/do-and-crews-instructions-on-handling-storage-locker-content-provided-choices-and-thus-tests-for-all/

-I don’t know if Ti and Do would “interfere with Mark and Sarah’s free will. They interfered with the Luciferians free will when they wiped out the Nephilim (human hybrids translated to “giants” in Genesis chapter 6 written by Moses that Ti and Do said some of was distorted) they seeded, with the Great Noah Flood? Ti and Do indicated The Kingdom of God interfered with allowing the Luciferians to suppress what Jesus said, so we could count on the current record in the four gospels.

How can you be so sure they wouldn’t interfere with Mark and Sarah’s continued suppression of the remaining audio tapes?

At this moment in time, as far as I’m aware, since we don’t know of anyone who has claimed to have those audio tapes, I believe that as of this moment we don’t actually need any more of their Informational Mind to show them what we need to show them. As you know DO said their information wasn’t meant to become a subject of study. We need to serve them and there is plenty to do to serve them with the existing materials.

I continue to “Stand for Ti and Do” which includes the dissemination of Their “Mind”. No one on earth is my judge in that regard. Their Mind is revealed in all the documentation they left behind that I have plenty of evidence in their materials left behind for us, counts the “records” they often spoke about and I recall clearly they said was from their Kingdom that includes what they said was the “Red Letters” in the gospel record and the related parts, they and Jesus referred to in the Book of Revelations and potentially any of the records that show the same consistent teachings. In 88Update, Do even quoted Paul’s writings in 1Cor 7:29 and 1Cor 7:32-35 about celibacy and marriage while knowing that Paul’s writings brought about significant distortion and dilutions of the true information from Jesus.

-You said “Students can only give limited and diluted and quite possibly incorrect info on what Ti and Do were about”. I agree that that can happen and does happen but the key word in that statement that is not factual to Ti and Do’s teachings is saying that “students can ONLY give limited…” It seems to me that saying this shows how you have made your cause into an all or nothing way of thinking about this. Ti and Do hardly spoke in such absolutes unless they knew it, so how is it that you act like you “know it”.

As I’ve said many times, show me the errors of my ways by showing me how Ti and Do taught otherwise (to any degree) and I’ll pay attention to that piece. If you don’t provide that evidence it’s just your opinion so what makes it any better than mine? It may even be giving incorrect information to make that unfounded very general blanket accusation.

-And who are you speaking of as “we” in saying these forms of communication are not needed. Isn’t that an individuals choice to determine what they derive value from or not? And why is it that Ti and Do always wanted students to serve in the dissemination of their Next Level mind by writing and talking and even thinking – (the strains of humans could benefit from thoughts and behaviors and ways of their students, as they could also be hampered by them, though all can be made a positive of), as shown in the audio tapes we have access to.

Why are you trying to suppress the expression of the many connections of Ti and Do’s material to the “records” and what they said and did that they never recorded in the years before they started taping that those who were with them then heard and experienced?

-I agree that dreams are not a way to receive instructions or new information yet you keep repeating that as if I did say that.

Rkkody did write about the Next Level. There is the document, “what if they’re right” and the other I’m aware of was “During a brief window of time some may wish to follow us”.

Here is the later one with Rkkody interpreting what DO said. But before I provide it, maybe you can answer a question I have – who is “we” in this document? I only ask that in case it was you, NOT to criticize Rkkody. I am NOT saying I disagree with what he says here. Plus, why is it that you allowed yourself to be photographed holding Deb’s book “Closing the Gate”?:

“When Do said: “During a brief window of time, some may wish to follow us” we don’t feel
this is limited only to former class members and to the best of our knowledge He did not
assign anyone the task of announcing when that gate was closed. None of us are qualified to
determine how long this brief window exists.

When we have our Older Member with us, we are not assigned tasks by having a little voice
come into our heads saying “I think I have this task to do.” We learned very early not
to trust any thoughts that would come into our heads or listen to little voices telling us
we should do this or that. Ti and Do did not ask anyone to leave the class because They
felt an individual might have another Next Level mission outside of the classroom, however,
some were asked to separate from the class in order to work on their overcoming at a
distance.

Those who chose to leave the class, left entirely because they chose NOT to continue
serving their Older Member.

[Are we who left not serving our Older Member if we disseminate their information?]

We learned by experience that when an Older Member is present on the planet, any
communication from the Next Level is directed through Their representative. It is
considered very inappropriate to make suggestions to this Representative (Ti and Do), for
tasks we may want to do. If The Next level wanted us to do a task They would assign it
through our Older Member directly (verbally), not by mental telepathy or little voices in
our heads. We are not aware that Do assigned anyone the task of announcing when the “Brief
Window” is closed. No one can say with certainty that this “brief window” is closed.
Only an Older Member from the Next Level would be in a position to state when that gate is
closed. And we are not aware of any Older Members here now.”

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jason (crlody) comments on 3spm (sawyer’s youtube channel):

“Once we leave, then base your decisions using the criteria of the information we’ve left behind for you” DRR. “only through a REP, or information left behind by a REP, can an individual learn what it takes to become a new creature that is acceptable to enter the Kingdom of Heaven”-SMM.

“Any information that seems to come through that cant be helpful in the overcoming process might have earmarks of being separate or unnecessary information, and I don’t feel that our Father’s Kingdom sends unnecessary information. That’s what happens when questions come up that have relatively no significance, no real relationship to our overcoming. We can get into theorizing about things that might go on in the heavens that really have nothing to do with our overcoming. And we can play the game of exploring a little bit, but it opens the door to possibly listening to other voices or letting SELF come in, and/or playing the game of “what if” or guessing what it might be……We feel like it really isn’t important; it’s of no issue to your overcoming”-Do.

Hmmmm, sort of like speculating about Ceres and on and on. Fun little games but irrelevant as far as one’s overcoming. “If you can look at it in that light, and just simply be amused by it, because we’re not trying to lock in on what we’re doing with fulfillment of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation” Do.

So, when Do was here He didn’t care much about these kind of speculations but now that He’s gone the Next Level has tasked you, Sawyer, with interpreting Revelation in order to prove who Ti and Do are along with all the other speculations that you have engaged in. And I’m supposed to believe that all these things that you speculate on are part of a task for the Next Level? Your interpretations of Revelation and things that are happening on Ceres or anywhere in the heavens aren’t going to help anyone with their overcoming. And if they can’t help anyone with their overcoming then they have “no real significance”, they are “fun little games but irrelevant”. I think that sums up your self-appointed mission derived from your dreams quite well, it’s a fun little game that you’re playing Sawyer but it is irrelevant. And if it’s irrelevant I think it’s a pretty strong possibility that your mission wasn’t imparted to you by Ti and Do. And if your self-appointed task didn’t come from Ti and Do then where did it come from Sawyer??

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Sawyer’s reply:

CRL ODY and anyone who comes upon this:

I don’t know what you are trying to prove by Drrody and Smmody’s quotes. I do use as my critera the information left behind. Read and watch everything and see for yourself. It’s why I don’t post the myriad of things I come across that I can’t link in some way to things I observed and learned in the classroom which at this time includes everything Jesus said in the red letters and in his direct references to the Book of Revelations that Ti and Do also referenced parts of and never said couldn’t include all of it, though admittedly I can be off to degrees in some of what I think I understand. That’s part of what we are up against now. Millions think those scriptures mean this and that when I can see more of what they mean. The same with the many “SIGNS” in the heavens. Ti and Do introduced me to the SIGNS via paying attention to the way the Next Level delivered lessons during the solstices and equinox. In the 1990’s DO instigated our examination of preachers talking about prophecy. Srrody even started to teach himself to read Hebrew that DO instigated the option to do. What did that have to do with our “overcoming”. Everything, I say because DO instigated it. Ti and Do instigated the view of a Comet as a sign, not me, when they spoke about how comet kohoutek came to perihelion when their car broke down in St. Louis and they rented that car using one of DO’s old credit cards that resulted in their arrest later.

It was TI and DO that said their first 3 points of awakening were that they were from outer space, the Kingdom of Heaven, here to “bring updates to the bible” and to “fulfill prophecy”. They never listed all the updates to the bible. But they did assign Dncody the task of “rewriting the bible” as I understood it, though I never heard anything further about that until Dncody left.

And you will note I spent a great deal of time with the fact that the New Horizon’s spacecraft photographed Pluto with the teachings from Ti and Do that Pluto could have been a spacecraft Lab, so again not from my mind to think.

The Overcoming Classroom was not a time to spend hardly any time on prophecy or Jesus teachings or the Revelations so yes it was amusing to do. But now when there are millions who say they believe in Jesus yet refuse to look at his (The same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus) I believe is crucial to offering them that “look”. However, that’s not why I wrote a book about it. I wrote the book because I had to write the book and I don’t care that many hate me and it for doing so. I’m in good company for it, that I know. So go ahead carlan, get your beef off, shoot your arrows, join the thousands who do the same if that’s what so floats your boat. It’s your choice just like I’m making my choices. I wonder if you ever think about what Do might say today about what I’ve written? Do you ever consult with DO about what you write against me? I do think about what Do might say about the things I write to you and admit have to hold the way the influences would have me use my tongue.

Are you against people seeing more about Ti and Do because they had a sense about things Jesus said and his prophecies and the signs of the times? Some have told me that’s what brought them to looking at Ti and Do, so nothing you can say will stop me from continuing. I will stop when Ti and Do decide it’s enough and I’m no longer capable or exit this vehicle by whatever means.

My whole book is full of these kinds of observations linking things (Signs) Ti and Do and/or Jesus said a tiny bit about that I ended up seeing as interpretations of the Revelations and Jesus gospel teachings so your finding fault with my efforts is once again far astray.

But even so, at the very least you can write me off as “playing the game of exploring a little bit,” as Do indicated was okay, didn’t he. He didn’t say it was wrong to do did he? He didn’t give instruction to those who might believe and want to serve after His overcoming classroom had finished, what they could be interested in exploring, did he? He did give instructions on what the formula was and he put it into Three types with the overall formula being stated by Jwnody in ‘”Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure’: that is summed up as the overriding qualification being to “Stand for Ti and Do” until we exit.

I know what that means and it’s hardly a static sending files to people or talking on video’s or writing blogs but that time of test of each one of us is only just beginning, I assure you.

Many people can see right through your making absolute statements about what will help anyone with their overcoming. That’s evidence of the same self righteous indignation as we see throughout the religions that you never saw out of Ti or Do’s mouth yet you use it as a mockery of me.

I try to discern between those “other voices” Do might be referring to. I’ve heard a bunch. Sometimes I can be off track in that regard, I know and sure I can let SELF come in and I know well how “what if” can distract from accepting the truth and we can make up excuses for anything but doing the tasks we’ve been given to “STAND for TI and DO” is the overriding task at this time is it not.

By the way, if you are going to quote DO then I think it would be DISTORTING what he said to capitalize a word that wasn’t capitalized in the original document. I know I have “SELF”, don’t you? Who are you working for to spend all this time and energy with nothing to say but draw straws that might be construed as criticism of me with the hope for what – to get me to stop talking about Ti and Do and MY relationship with them?

To follow is the segment CRL ODY was partially quoting from Beyond Human, Session 7, which brings a better context as well as there were many instances in the classroom to be heard in the audio tapes, even on the Blackhawk tapes where DO did explore certain subjects stimulated by classmates questions and sometimes He or Ti would say it’s not important to our task. It is quite clear that the “classroom” with the Older Members has passed and now it’s in a different phase. We don’t have instructions on what to eat and what not to eat, what kind of things we find pleasure in, what kind of out of craft tasks to seek, what kind things to study or research or inquire about. But that doesn’t mean Ti and Do want us to stop our seeking of the truth through any avenues we choose.

Here’s Do’s statement:

“There’s so much that I can’t understand from where I sit, because even playing the role of teacher and a vessel with students and potentially with more students, relatively very little information is funneled through that Teacher role. Because only the information that is funneled can be helpful. Any information that seems to come through that can’t be helpful in the overcoming process might have earmarks of being separate or unnecessary information, and I don’t feel that our Father’s Kingdom sends unnecessary information. That’s what happens when questions come up that have relatively no significance, no real relationship to our overcoming. We can get into theorizing about things that might go on in the heavens that really have nothing to do with our overcoming. And we can play the game of exploring a little bit, but it opens the door to possibly listening to other voices or letting self come in, and/or playing the game of “what if” or guessing what it might be. I know that at times we, Ti and I, have guessed. When we do guess at questions that the students might ask, we try to say, “We don’t know. We’re guessing. It hasn’t been clarified to us.” And ultimately, after discussing it for a moment, we usually say, “We feel like it really isn’t important; it’s of no issue here to your overcoming.” What is shared is so limited – we know so little of that Kingdom.”

Jesus was also in the teaching role so to examine what he said to “observe” in his coming, which Ti and Do talked about as coming after they left, is part of that, though that coming was not a “teaching task” incarnate as they had. They said that in the document that was printed in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary. Here is a link to little parts of it I transcribed so you can see I didn’t make it up and am not “guessing” about it either or listening to other voices.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

I only answer you, so your voice is not left unchecked in this public square, the same as I do with all the trolls and mockers and judgemental scoffers. You are most often making “false accusations” against your neighbor (me), but I guess you don’t know any better so I’m not angry with you. You appear to hold yourself as the only former member who is righteous. You had no forgiveness for XF, nor me for the few things I have admitted not being proud of saying. (That’s not saying I think a lot of what I say is of value necessarily). Even though it’s easy to point out things Mark and Sarah and Rio have said as not from Ti and Do’s mind or the opposite, you resorted to name calling and condemnation of them when you have no right in Ti and Do’s mind to do so.

Bring specific things up to me and I’ll address them one by one. If you don’t agree then at least you’ve offered me something. These quotes from DO are welcomed but so far are hard to see as applying to now in the exact same way they applied to the classroom.

Do spoke of Armageddon. The only place that’s mentioned is in the Revelations. He spoke of how the Next Level would come back (after his exit). He spoke about the way the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens would be creating their last ditch effort to capture souls. He spoke about the most accurate meaning of rapture. He spoke about the Revelation 12 woman, but that one you may not know about and lots more so I’m following in excellent footsteps even though I am perhaps doing a poor job.

Another set of accusations against sawyer by crlody that are totally false and why:

http://www.sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2018/03/01/rkkodys-standing-for-ti-and-do-and-sawyers-reply-to-more-crlody-accusations/

DO’s reference to His Students as the Twenty four “Elders” in the Revelation

October 19, 2017

Question to Sawyer:

So when in the Beyond Human tapes Do talked about students of his potentially being other’s older members, it is still separate from adult Older Members? I’m speaking of the part where he talked about being “grandfather” to younger members.?

Reply from Sawyer:

Here is the segment from session one of the Beyond Human series that I believe is part of what you are referring to: (Two students were sitting with DO during filming acting as his “helpers” with questions)

“Well, this little classroom that dwindled to 50, and then dwindled down to a couple dozen, have now reached a condition where they have overcome the world enough to relate in a position up a notch as Elders, or Older Members, to anyone else that they can help in their own overcoming. Yes, that means these two here who’ve been sitting here this whole hour with me and haven’t asked me a blooming thing (laughs). But, I know they like to hear about the Kingdom of Heaven. And they know how filled I am with it. And I know how filled they are with it.”

(Note this is also where DO indicates his students then were numbered at “a couple dozen” and were “elders” that can be related directly to the prophecies in Revelations about the “four and twenty elders”)

In terms of DO being a “grandfather” to some who at that time he considered might be watching those same Beyond Human video’s in the future, he said in Session 11 that was part of his response about Next Level patience:

“I can imagine that sometimes, as some of the classroom watches these tapes, they can recognize that there’s a certain amount of relationship that I might be having with the viewer on the other end of that camera that might be slightly different from my relationship with them at times. I think we’ve even discussed it. In a sense, I almost feel like a twice-removed…or a grandfather speaking to a grandchild. Of course, I’m speaking to you as someone who might be wondering if they are standing outside of the vehicle that they are using, and wondering if they want to take it over and pursue this. And since we are given the task of trying to give that to you, and since we’re so eager for you to participate in it, for it to become yours, then we are influenced by that.”

Then in session 9 DO indicates that he might end up being a “grandfather” to those watching this video because graduate students might then become “teachers”

(Since making these tapes were the “Step” given to him from his Older Member, TI (while Ti was outside the vehicle Ti took), DO didn’t know at that time they’d all be exiting together and he didn’t know if He would exit before them, which he also addressed by referring to people coming in this direction towards connection with Him and His Kingdom afterwards as needing to seek to “connect” with an “Active Student”. See the documents, “DO’s Intro: Purpose – Belief” and “Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure
By Jwnody – dated April 8, 1996):

“But I want to make the point a little bit more clearly that these sessions and these tapes are, in a sense, teaching tools for the students – to get that idea a little more clearly in our heads. In other words, my relationship with you in a sense is symbolic, and in a sense it isn’t. If this task proceeds, my relationship with you might end up being more as grandfather to grandson, and these students might serve more in the capacity as teacher since they are older than you. I don’t know if that has clarified in your mind, but it might have if other things that we have said had added up at this time. If they have completed sufficient overcoming of their own in this task, and they received instruction to put the information out, even though the way that instruction came was to do it in this method, then they are in a real sense going to serve in the teacher role with you, or in a sense, in the “midwifing” or the father relationship, if you don’t use that as a spiritual term. In other words, if they have completed enough overcoming that they could move right now into our Father’s Kingdom, and even move into a physical vehicle of our Father’s Kingdom, no longer occupying the vehicle they are in, whether this one or the one that they’re in is changed over into that new vehicle or another one altogether, then they don’t need to come back to the human kingdom unless sent. That’s the instruction we have received – that that’s the case.”

Now my use of the term “Adult” came from DO, but I don’t know how to locate it, but may be in the audio tapes we have access to as I believe he would have said it while Ti was incarnate. I recall DO saying that the term adultery meant, “not becoming an adult”, which in it’s purest form means that person has compromised their commitment to the teachings of the most current Older Member REP from the Next Level. That commitment or said as “covenant” grew with each trimester in the overall “overcoming classroom” to where by Ti and Do’s arrival meant to have no commitment to anyone else besides DO (As TI instructed us to “make our committal to DO).

Update: I found one place where that was documented in a little booklet Ti and Do and a crew put together that I only first saw after we moved into houses around 1980. It was called “Ruffles Snacks for Thinkers”.

-“To commit adultery could mean that one fails to act like an adult.”

-“Man does not have to see things as he always saw them before. Man is designed to see things as he never saw them before—to see them in a higher way than ever before. This is the kind of change that must take place before man becomes an adult.”

Here is a link to Ruffles on my blog: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/ruffles-snacks-for-thinkers/

But I also thought I read or heard that term “adult” used as referring to a Next Level Older or Younger Member vehicle, neither of which any of the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens ever had. (DO indicated in Session 1 of the Beyond Human Series that the vehicle Lucifer had when he was serving in the Next Level was “certainly not born of woman”. This is recorded in Beyond Human Session 1. Here is that segment:

“We’ve already discussed that we believe that in the Jewish and Christian literature, the physical record is there connecting those people with the real Kingdom of God. And they speak of someone else. They speak of an individual that was once in the household of God, in the literal Heavens, was a son of God and
got too big for his britches, and thought that he could do a better job than his Father, or his Older Member. Not that he was born of a wife of his Father, because the body that he had in the Kingdom of Heaven was certainly not born of woman. Don’t forget that in the Kingdom of Heaven, babies are born by the souls that overcome the human condition. When they overcome the human condition and then are moved into the Kingdom of Heaven, then they’re “babies.” And those that took them in are then like their foster parents or their keepers, their babysitters, their teachers, their rabbi’s, their connection, their “piece of pipe,” their link with the Chief of Chiefs of that Kingdom.”

DO refers to “babies” in the Next Level and how their vehicles are grown as “Next Level bodies” in “’88 UPDATE – THE UFO TWO AND THEIR CREW”: (The Luciferians never graduated to receive Next Level bodies, though they weren’t born of woman either so must have been some model of physical vehicle that still had the capacity to act in mammalian ways).

“Our understanding is that Next Level bodies (the normal bodies for that Kingdom level, in the same way that human bodies are the norm for the human kingdom) are grown as plants from a vine, and at the end of their gestation period, they are fully grown and functional, not “babies” as are the products of human “seed-bearing plants.” There seem to be actual grafting processes used and genetic binding from Older Members. “I am the vine, ye are the branches” – could that mean something more than previously thought?”

In the Blackhawk audio tapes DO talks about how Adam’s body, (though also not born of woman) went through a “reverse metamorphosis” into human behaviors. Since Ti and Do taught that the Adam experiment was set up to become a testing ground for new membership for Souls who had grown to some equivalent degree to the Luciferian souls, I surmised that Adam’s vehicle may have been of some equivalence to the vehicles grown for the Luciferians to use when they began to serve the Next Level in crews in spacecrafts.

If you ever come upon the use of Adult or Student in reference to a Next Level “grown” vehicle please let me know. But I may cease using those terms and replace them with more appropriate terms that are regularly used by Ti and Do and Crew even though it may require more words.

 

Pineapple Street and CNN produce new podcast and doc with some new looks at TI and DO’s infamous Heaven’s Gate

October 11, 2017

There are two new broadcasts re: Heaven’s Gate about to be aired.

The first one is produced by the Pineapple Street Media, a 10 part podcast series that starts for premium members of Stitcher.com today October 10, 2017 and will be broadcast on Stitcher for free on October 18, 2017.

Snap Judgement’s Glynn Washington is the host.

Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate

The second one is by CNN and is to be aired on October 29, 2017. Here is a brief lead to their broadcast:

The Mystery of Heaven’s Gate (airdate: Oct. 29) In the mid-1970s, hundreds of people begin disappearing without a trace. Distraught families are left wondering about their loved ones for decades, until March of 1997, when shocking news about a mysterious religious group makes headlines around the world. Told through exclusive interviews with those who experienced this event firsthand…this episode follows the story of Heaven’s Gate.

This story was produced as part of season two of this series listed entirely via this link:

HLN True Crime Docuseries “How It Really Happened with Hill Harper” Returns for Second Season Oct. 15

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Here are a couple articles announcing the podcast broadcast:

New podcast investigates Heaven’s Gate ritualistic mass suicide
http://www.10news.com/home/new-podcast-investigates-heavens-gate-ritualistic-mass-suicide

ABC10 out of Los Angeles report by Amanda Brandels – amanda.brandeis@10news.com <amanda.brandeis@10news.com>;

SAN DIEGO, Calif. (KGTV) – A podcast set to be released this month takes a deeper look into the Heaven’s Gate ritualistic mass suicide, which left 39 people dead in a Rancho Santa Fe mansion.

Produced by Stitcher, listeners will hear from family members, experts and those who still believe in the group’s theological principles.

Host Glynn Washington, raised in a cult himself, helps uncover new insights and perspectives about the event, which rocked the nation and world.

A first glimpse of the podcast is available here.

Listeners can subscribe now and listen to the first episode on Oct. 18.

You can listen to the podcast one week early and ad-free by becoming a premium member.

Stitcher is owned by the parent company of 10News, the E.W. Scripps Company.

Copyright 2017 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate

twitter: @heavensgateshow
facebook /heavensgateshow
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Here is another article:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/missing-richard-simmons-host-dan-taberski-joins-heavens-gate-podcast-1046028

‘Missing Richard Simmons’ Host Dan Taberski Joins ‘Heaven’s Gate’ Podcast (Exclusive)

8:33 AM PDT 10/5/2017 by Natalie Jarvey

The 10-episode project, which will explore what led to one of the largest mass suicides in U.S. history, will be hosted by Glynn Washington.

Dan Taberski is reuniting with the team behind Missing Richard Simmons for a new podcast that will explore what happened inside the Heaven’s Gate cult.

The Missing Richard Simmons host is joining Heaven’s Gate as a writer. The 10-episode project will be hosted by Glynn Washington of Snap Judgment.

Washington told The Hollywood Reporter that the podcast won’t just focus on the mass suicide of Heaven’s Gate members; it will also delve into the lives of the people who joined the group and seek to answer questions about how the suicide happened.

Washington spoke to family members, survivors and other people involved with Heaven’s Gate for the project. “These people are real people who made real choices for real reasons, and we wanted to explore that,” he said.

Washington explained that his interest in the topic comes from his own background growing up in a cult (his family was a part of a religious organization called the Worldwide Church of God). “The lens through which the project is viewed is my own,” he said. “I can’t do this without bringing my own background to these questions.”

Washington said that Taberski was an important addition to the team. “He’s got a great touch as a writer,” he added. “Bringing Dan on is a demonstration of how much excitement [there is] about this project and the commitment to making sure that it works.”

Heaven’s Gate hails from Stitcher, which is a part of E.W. Scripps’ Midroll Media podcasting division, and is being produced in collaboration with Pineapple Street Media. It is set to premiere Oct. 18. The trailer can be listened to here.

Natalie.Jarvey@thr.com
twitter: @natjarv
HollywoodReporter.com

 

Sawyer’s Defense of Accusations Made by Former Classmate Carlan

September 19, 2017

For those that don’t know, this has gone on for probably close to ten years now. If anyone wants to see most of the history search my blog for Carlan or Crlody or Crl ody. I have claimed he makes things up, thus lies. Other times he has a point I take to heart. I have always said to him or anyone else that I’m open to criticism but it does little good to just throw out opinions when the point to this blog is to bring as much experience as I can to what Ti and Do taught. I am not against Carlan. I respect him but that doesn’t mean what he says is automatically true any more than what I say is automatically true. Ti and Do are the ultimate judges of each of us.

Here is Carlan aka Crlody’s latest list of accusations against me (in two sections) and what I am saying in my defense. I took apart his latest comment on this blog and made them into a list so I could address each and add to them if he brings up more. I want him to have his voice and I welcome constructive criticism but most of these points to me are trite and without substance as they are all about what he thinks I think about myself and how I justify what I do in writing the book, “TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses” that he opposes for some reason I have yet to understand, except in the way we all know that the more we continue the war of words against the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls and their human pawns (who don’t usually know they are pawns).

That “war” is fought by revealing more of  what’s true about Ti and Do which includes how Ti and Do were 100% consistent with all Jesus taught in the 4 gospel records (as Ti and Do said those writings could still be counted upon to be accurate because the Next Level worked very hard to be sure they remained in tact to provide clues for returning Next Level Members.

So I am putting it on record so I can just refer to it next time he posts these things as he has done many times, though I hope that’s never necessary as there are going to be much, much bigger issues to deal with in the upcoming months for all who come in this direction of “standing for Ti and Do” which is the primary and perhaps only way to stand up for the real Jesus at this time, that is for those who know about Ti and Do. Those who never hear of Ti and Do are judged by they own choices as are all, but are judged differently that those who learn about Ti and Do and Crew and ignore or go against them in some way.

Ti and Do’s judgement of us is never exercised by us as we don’t have that capacity to judge others value to the Next Level no matter what they have done, though we don’t condone breaking of the Next Level’s commandments that Jesus gave the most recent summary of in his gospels.

SECTION ONE:

So each point below was copied from what Carlan wrote followed by my reply:

1) If you believe in Ti and Do so strongly why would you continue to stay here for over 20 years after Do extended an invitation to leave?

Sawyer’s reply:

Because it’s my choice to not leave at this time.

2) Why do you care more about your blog and videos than the audio tapes made by Ti and Do?

Sawyer’s reply:

I don’t value my blog more than the audio tapes. They are not comparable in any way and as I’ve said over and over to you, we have what we have of the audio tapes and I KNOW it’s enough or Ti and Do would have seen to it that we had them all. Even so, what can I do about it. I tried a number of times to get Mark to give or sell them. You keep bringing this up yet where is your plan of action to get them. Why did DO and Crew say so many times in the letters sent to them that it was their task to decide how to handle the contents of storage and a number of other aspects.

Now I have a question, which I’ve asked before but seldom if any get a response from you…

Why did Rkkody give the audio tape masters back to Mark, even the masters pre Ti’s exit that he had copied by then? Why didn’t he copy them all first since he was suspicious of Mark and Sarah’s intentions to do the right thing, as I understand it.

I recall Gnrody telling me on the phone that right after the exit event, Sarah said to Gnrody something to the affect of, “how could they do this to us”. If I were Rkkody and heard that and knew that Mark had turned over the task to retrieve the contents of storage and had blacked out their names on one or more of those letters they received from the Class, (I don’t recall why some were blacked out while another wasn’t), I would be quite suspicious of their choices thereafter. But perhaps he took the high side and figured they had a change of mind. And since he read those letters he knew it was the intention of DO that Mark and Sarah have that task of deciding what to do with the storage contents, even though it was spelled out that Rkkody and Oscody could be used to retrieve the contents.

But maybe I’m wrong about how that all developed. If so what can you share about that and Rkkody’s choices to give all the tape masters to Mark and Sarah?

3) Why do you repeatedly bring up your 19 years in the Class as if that somehow makes you the most qualified individual on the planet to talk about Ti and Do?

Sawyer’s reply:

I bring up the 19 years because it’s true and experience can have value. I agree that it doesn’t have to be of value. But when someone asks a question, such as about when Ti scheduled the pickup in around 1980, I can tell the truth as I experienced it because I was there. So people will know that I am a first hand witness from almost the start in 1975.

I admit wholeheartedly that it’s not a measure of who I am or how dedicated I am to Ti and Do or that I learned a certain amount of lessons because of or that I know Ti and Do better than anyone else. What I have are more examples of things they said and did and in some cases why when they told us.

Whether that makes me the most qualified on the planet to talk about Ti and Do is beyond my scope to think about and doesn’t float my boat at all, as grandiose as that sounds. Yet I MAY BE one of the most qualified to do so? You would also be one of the most qualified to talk about what you experienced because we both still believe in them so no matter how much time we spent at it, we both retained that recognition and that I believe is worth a great deal more to our prospect towards pleasing Ti and Do than any time amount. There were also over 60 ody’s originally, some of which have some number in the teens in the classroom. If they retained the memories some might be able to tell me things I didn’t know and thus I wouldn’t be all that highfalutin.

I have never said that to intimidate you and I’ve never told people how long you were in the classroom. Perhaps if were in reverse shoes I could be troubled by your saying that.

Why can’t I bring it up, that’s the bigger question I have for you? Do I have to walk on eggshells in that regard because it appears to others impressive and yet to others more proof that I was duped and/or had some hidden mental condition that didn’t alert me sooner to giving myself to cult leaders, thus then a deficiency to admit.

4) One of the main reasons why I know that your “mission” is entirely self-appointed is because you are so absolutely sure that its from Ti and Do, you don’t even seem to question it.

Sawyer’s reply:

In my opinion any of those who choose to take on the service of “standing for Ti and Do” – who take on that “project,” (as Do and Crew called it), to disseminate their information (I believe in all the ways that can happen, by voice or written word or by sending documents they wrote) so that people can “have a more thorough knowledge of what they were about” (as paraphrased from one of the letters sent to Mark and Sarah, that you sent me), with the class or a new believer is because of their choice “self-appointing” themselves to take on the tasks DO appointed in writing (but not specifically to individuals), with the exception of those who were outside the classroom they mentioned in the letters, though it was also broadened in the letter to say it applied to anyone who chose to take on that project.

So maybe it was a mistake to share my many dreams and thus shot myself in the foot to tell you and others about them, sort of setting you up by implying I got the dreams and you didn’t (or perhaps you didn’t share them), so that could be seen as being lessor to Ti and Do. But to me I was so asleep, perhaps I needed those dreams to wake up a little more and at the same time could go to my head as being someone special because of them and also challenge those who hadn’t.

And by the way, I never said or thought I was “absolutely sure” I have a task from Ti and Do to write about Jesus prophecy as that indication was never in any of the dreams. I admit getting that idea from the prophecy in Rev 5:1 regarding the “book written from within the throne” and the “backside” (of the book) and in Rev 10 regarding the “Little Book” not to be spoken about until the 7th Angels trumpet sounding time that happens after the Two Witnesses have ascended back to their heavenly abodes and another indication of prophecy talk in Rev 14, after the 4 Living Beings and 24 Elders had exited that is performed in the “mid-heaven” (middle heaven) (which I suspect referred to the internet primarily).

But if it was a task in addition to the project to disseminate their information and “stand for Ti and Do”, I still don’t know that I had and am performing that task to their liking.

And for the record it wasn’t one dream. There were over 10 perhaps, but some of the earliest ones sort of merge together in my memory, and not counting some that I highly suspect were counterfeits of Do and some students I suspected from what they said and what they didn’t say or what it felt like. But pertaining to having a writing task, as I interpreted it, 1 was from Ti in 2001, 2 from DO a couple years later and a number of years after that, 2-3 or so from Students: Jwnody, Lggody (indirectly) and years later from Lvvody and Jnnody and Nrrody if I recall. I had other dreams where Do was correcting me and others where Ti seemed to help me see Spirits for a couple months in three different settings but overall maybe 6 or 7 times and then I saw nothing and that was all over years ago.

5) You actually seem to expect the world to believe you just because of your interpretation of a dream that you had. You get very defensive whenever I state that your mission is self-appointed and you always bring up your 19 years of service as if that means that I should accept the things that you say. I don’t accept what Mark says or Rio the self-appointed “soul surviving member” so why should I believe a word that you say?

Sawyer’s reply:

No, I don’t expect anyone to believe or disbelieve anything I say but anyone could and don’t see any reason to think their coming into belief because of my instrumentation would be a negative whatsoever as I keep no records of who says what and when and about what and often don’t recall names and get no monetary reward so just how humanly self serving is it? I don’t really get turned on by people elevating me in my vehicle.

I’m not responsible for what Rio or anyone else says, so why do you make that comparison as if you are the supreme judge of everyone? Can you tell me why that keeps coming up?

6) You left the Class like many, many others and you had no interest in helping RKK distribute Their Info after They left, which was Their final instruction, get our information out.

Sawyer’s reply:

I didn’t even know about what Rkkody was doing then. I had fallen way back into human life but you bring up this point over and over again. If I were to take that point of view I could say I was out spreading Ti and Do’s information in 1975 and 1994 while you were not. What does that have to do with anything?

I suspect you are just copying and pasting this comment to me, making accusations that make no sense. At least telling me that I labeled my blog “Sawyer at Heaven’s Gate” is relative to all we are talking about, however important or not, which by the way I did fix to read “Sawyer’s Application to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate”. But I need to shorten that.

7) They didn’t say anything about you writing a book or making videos or your blog or altering the audio tapes by putting your flute music on it. You have claimed to have “contacts” with the NL and then accused me of making that up and then when I pointed out where you stated that you said I “took it out of context”.

Sawyer’s reply:

When did I alter the audio tapes by putting my flute music on them? There’s no flute music on the Blackhawk tapes and those are the only ones I posted on my YouTube channel. Perhaps someone else used my music in that way but I don’t recall that, so perhaps you can point me to where that is happening. Perhaps you could have asked me if I authorized that before adding it to your list of beefs against me. And even so, why do you think it’s justified to make up “commandments” like, Thou shalt not put flute music on Do’s audio tapes. That’s what the Catholics and Jews and others did after the REP left – they made up their own rules and twisted rules to suit what they wanted to do. If you could show me where Ti and Do would have frowned on such a thing I would take it off as perhaps I did slip in that regard. Oh, perhaps you are referring to my use of flute music on my blogtalkradio site. Maybe I did do that years ago. It sort of rings a bell now but even so why not. Were you as critical of Rkkody’s making mugs and stuff to try to generate income to help him distribute tapes? I wouldn’t do that but don’t know that Ti and Do would object to either.

Yes I have claimed to have contact with the Next Level and maybe I did say you took it out of context. You are referring to my book I think. When I searched it down I realized that you were right but then when I read it again, I realized we all have that contact if we seek it out. That’s what “prayer” is based on – seeking to “contact” the Next Level “Heavenly Fathers” – what Ti and Do at times called, “picking up the phone”. I didn’t claim to have exclusive contact and I didn’t claim that it was undeniable contact but since Ti and Do did teach that the Next Level used our dream time to help us with the next day’s lessons, so we had instruction very early on to go do sleep asking to have help to “remember our dreams”. Plus we had a few times where DO told us his dream and I think one time I recall with Ti but don’t recall it, though I do recall one Do told us when he was waiting in line and felt like he got hit in the butt and woke up feeling like the message was that he wasn’t as important as he might have thought he was and he actually awoke and hours later could still feel sore on his butt where he got hit somehow. And a time or two Ti and Do had a classmate tell of their dream. I recall Ollody once doing so but don’t recall it’s content. I call those “contact”. Why wouldn’t they be contact?

If they didn’t give instructions to not do something why am I doing something wrong to do it and especially regarding writing a book about them and how all Jesus prophecy proves they were exactly who they said they were/are. The same with my video’s and this blog. Even my little bio is the bio about how my vehicle was picked to be taken by a returning Soul from the Next Level to complete their overcoming through, who failed but who was given another chance, just like the Luciferian fallen angels were given multiple chances (as Ti and Do said on the Blackhawk tapes).

8) You behave as if criticizing you is somehow criticizing Ti and Do and you have had the gall to claim that I “owe” Ti and Do for how I have criticized you.

Sawyer’s reply:

No, you have twisted that. What I criticize about what you say about me is how to accuse me of all these things while not being able to back any of them up with an instruction or behavior or way given to us from Ti and Do. It’s all about you opinion about what I should or shouldn’t do, say or shouldn’t say, think or shouldn’t think (as you often fill in the gaps with assumptions about what I’m thinking).

Re: my saying that you might be criticizing Ti and Do, had to do with your constant attack on me claiming that I don’t care about the remaining tapes not being released, which by the way isn’t true as I do care but not so much that I think it hampers anyone from growing closer to Ti and Do, because I trust that if we needed those tapes Ti and Do would have saw to it that Rkkody got all the tapes to copy or that Mark and Sarah would have had a change of heart. I don’t think Do made a mistake by not arranging to have the tapes split up among the ones he had the other materials split up between or by not having them all transcribed, a task I participated in while in the classroom, or by having them all copied and digitized professionally or by the computer people in the classroom. I don’t doubt for a minute that he would have explored the options while asking Ti what to do. So I think he didn’t get instructions to do any differently than he did or he got instructions to do exactly what he did by putting them all in storage and then instructing Mark and Sarah to get them or giving that task to Rkkody and Oscody, which ended up happening. I can’t speak to your strong feelings about this but I can speak to your condemnation of me for not going along with the degree of your anger over any other opinion/interpretation from your own as to the content of the letters that clearly give the task of deciding what to do with the contents of storage to Mark and Sarah regardless of DO and Crews hope that they would choose to disseminate them the same as with all the materials that is also very clear in the letters.

So you’ve made it your mission to follow me around on this blog and YouTube channel to “stop me” as you told me, which I guess meant stop me from talking, writing, making video’s and yet that’s not a task Do gave you did he? It’s interesting how several others really took to your mission to stop me when they got wind of your regular comments in that regard a year or two ago and yet it’s all from shallow opinions, without even circumstantial evidence from things Ti and Do taught that includes all of what Jesus taught in the 4 gospels.

I wish we could have a truce as I’ve spent hours defending myself and trying to at times make the shoe fit and wore it a few times I admit but to abide by your opinions that I should say and write nothing of my experience and just send people document packets when they ask questions doesn’t feel like the only way Ti and Do would have us disseminate their information and especially at this time when I believe it’s the extension of the Second and LAST “WAVE” that started in the 1990’s and complete phase one by 1997. (Jwnody called the book/website “phase one” if I recall and said they didn’t know if there would be another phase.)

9) Your mission is not from Ti and Do. Your mission is for the purpose of getting attention for yourself but your righteousness blinds you to that. No, I cant “prove” it to you just like you cant prove that you are on a task for the NL. Your “mission” is just an excuse to continue to stay here. Interesting that you went out of your way to find fault with me for wrestling with staying on this planet. Why would you find fault with someone who doesn’t want to be here? Is it because you’re afraid to leave here but you refuse to admit it? I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that those thoughts of yours don’t come from the NL. Maybe its you who owes Ti and Do an explanation for why you care more about what you have to say about the NL than what They had to say.

Sawyer’s reply:

What did I say that found fault with your wanting to not stay on this planet? Please be specific. I remember when you were hinting at planning to exit. I might admit that was over 10 years ago and at that time I was still dealing with an influence who didn’t want to consider exiting, though I asked DO if I needed to prepare myself to exit as they did, so I wasn’t that far gone then or I wouldn’t have had the courage to ask that question. For the record he came to me in a dream immediately after that and said only, “You need to give your life,” something I can imagine him saying and I admit feeling relieved to hear that as it gave me the option and decided right then to give my life by telling the truth knowing that the chips might fall to where someone accelerates me out of this vehicle because of.

But even if I did say something to you about your desire to exit, which I don’t recall directly talking about, but do recall your hinting about so I may have said something about that you recall as “find fault” with that desire, at that time I also broke through that influence and ceased shying away from the fact that Do left the gate open for a short period of time that may or may not have passed. I would guess it hasn’t passed. But I was also being potentially snared by at least two people at different times who told me they were thinking about exiting because they thought they would come back to a better life. I didn’t know if they were just trying to snare me into encouraging their suicide or were deluded to thinking death of their vehicle would solve their problems in life. One said he had been living on the street in Philadelphia and he acted as if he believed in Ti and Do but then would say things about his mission he was given while on another planet to come to earth to lead people and was making up a mixture of Ti and Do terms with a complete spiritual “ye are god’s” mindset, which I pointed out to him and a lot of this is still on my blog. The other person was a different story altogether. That’s when I put together the full breath of all the things DO and Class wrote on exiting and saw that Stmody wrote about how “suicide” to escape life lessons wasn’t of value. You can call that looking for justification not to leave but that’s not your business to point out to me. Why would anyone want anyone to exit when they don’t feel it’s right for them to do. There are people all the time who appear to so easily try to commit suicide. I don’t know if they hate the world and perhaps they all have their Souls saved but perhaps not.

I’m also frightened by the idea that some might get so angry with the facts I know about how Ti and Do fulfill all the prophecies that someone might eventually seek to force my vehicles exit. However, I’m at least brave enough for the moment to continue to push the information out there and willing to exit in that way and frankly don’t disqualify my exiting as They did. That option looked a whole lot easier when I was in pain from Lymes disease and couldn’t walk. When life in the vehicle is miserable it’s a whole lot easier to want to exit and also when life is going fairly well enough it’s quite hard to put one’s head on the chopping block, which I am sure has yet to get started for us, while some humans do have a fairly easy life yet witness injustice or take jobs that jeopardize their lives to save others (like firefighters) or whistle blowers, etc. Perhaps they have overcome clinging to their human vehicles but I don’t think Ti and Do would see them in the same light as those who join the military to become hired killers or who strap bombs to their bodies and walk into a crowded square, etc. They aren’t afraid to die either. I do remember writing that I can see Lucifer encouraging people to exit, especially if by doing so they can keep them from disseminating their experience with Ti and Do. But I may have been giving into an influence to think that.

After all, if you were of a mind to exit, what could I say to stop you. I presume you would have already done as Do said and screamed to the Next Level in your privacy to see if it was write for you and that from doing that if it was right you would then have the courage.

When you tell me what is not, I know that you don’t know what is not in regards to my relationship with Ti and Do and what I hear is your own pent up anger and like I said a type of vendetta for when I suggested to someone one time that you found, that I am the most outspoken former member, I said to impress someone by and knew immediately when you confronted me with my saying that, that I had given into an influence to use my mouth in that way – an ego influence I knew I had – a booger I still deal with, though think I have for the moment a handle on but see crop up in my life in various ways in my head. I know how to combat those influences but I admit I can easily be tricked but have never said that since and am not guilty for the thoughts I might have in that regard as Ti and Do taught that what we are guilty about is when we let those thoughts manifest into words and actions.

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new post from carlan:

‘This site is dedicated to the sharing of my experience as a student of Ti and Do for 19 years”. Interesting that you make no mention in your site’s description of the information that the Class left behind with very specific instructions that it be distributed.

Also, no mention that the Information that the Class left behind is going to be more accurate than anything that you have to say, you know, considering that it is Ti and Do instructing the students in the audio tapes and this site is just your own personal feelings and observations since you left the Class. But of course you “don’t care” that the Information that the Class specifically wanted disseminated is being suppressed. You care about your book that was the “little book” mentioned in Revelation because you believe it is part of your “mission” and “task” for the NL.

Say, what did Do think of the prophecies in Revelation that you claim that you are fulfilling by writing your “little book”? “We’re not trying to lock in on what we’re doing with fulfillment of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation, or Isaiah, or anyplace else” Beyond Human, session 11. You’ve called me a “broken record” in the past and yet perhaps you are a broken record by continuing to insist that what you have been doing for the past 15 years is in service to the NL. Just because you make that claim and have conned yourself and your followers into believing it doesn’t necessarily make it true Sawyer. You can’t even keep track of what you say Sawyer. I told you about how you had given me a hard time in a personal message regarding my wrestling with being on planet earth and you asked me to be “more specific”. Like I already said, it was a personal message on fb and the fact that you don”t remember it is maybe an indication that you should think a little bit more before you go giving your unsolicited opinion on what I’m personally wrestling with. I try to keep my criticisms of you to your claims about what you state that you believe that you are doing for the NL. For your own sake it’s great that you decided that your human life was unfulfilling but that doesn’t mean that the NL wanted you to spend 15 years writing your blog, doing blogtalk and making videos with your take on what Ti and Do were all about.

Why should I go to you for info on the NL when the NL left information behind that They very specifically wanted distributed? Compared to the information left behind by Do and the Class ANYTHING that you say about the NL is going to be diluted and colored by your own personal programming. It’s interesting that compared to your rambling blog and videos you seem to have no interest in the audio tapes that were made, including all those that were made after you left. It’s a crime against the NL that Mark and Sarah lied to RKK to obtain the tapes and continue to suppress them even though Mark assured RKK that he would.

As far as I can tell no former class members seem to care, not you, not Rio, not JHN. You once gave me a hard time for having conflicts with former members like the aforementioned individuals. Why would I want to “get along” with those who don’t care about going against Do and the Class’ wishes that Their info be distributed? The same individuals who have lied to glorify themselves in the name of Ti and Do?

No, we’re not in a Class with an OM present and we are not all working towards the same goal and I am not obligated to anyone who is on planet earth. Since the Class is over we’re not all on the same page and I’m not obligated to ANY former class members for anything that I do. RKK and I tried to take the higher side with Rio and the Kings and it was thrown back in our faces. I got along with RKK well enough to make as much of the info available as we could. I’ve been skeptical of you and your mission from the beginning when you started talking about your dreams in which you claimed contact with Do and the Class.

And it’s become clear to me over the years that your primary interest is in having your voice heard, not in distributing Ti and Do’s info. You’ve accused me of making up lies about you when I cited things that you yourself have said and you had the gall to state that I somehow owe Ti and Do for what I’ve said about you.

Maybe you owe Ti and Do for trying to bring Them into it because you can’t remember what you said and when you said it and played the victim when you were held accountable. Maybe you owe RKK for trying to find fault with him fore giving the tapes to Mark when you couldn’t even remember the circumstances of what happened correctly. If it wasn’t for RKK there would be NO audio tapes available, nothing for you to put your flute music over. You should be thanking him instead of being low and petty and trying to find fault with him. Interesting that you thought you would be in a position to point fingers at RKK when you turned down his request for help in carrying out the class’ desires back in 1997. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. How many hours did you spend digitizing the tapes? How many hours did you spend distributing the materials to libraries across the country? How much of your own $ did you spend on disseminating the Class’ (not your) info? How many FedEx packages did you receive from the Class after They left including the disks with the instructions to upload Their Final statements and Press release?

How many public meetings did you hold where you showed a video of Do and made the materials available and opened yourself up to ridicule and grilling by the press?

I’m saying this to toot RKK’s horn. And you have the arrogance to call what you’re doing on the internet “brave”. I’ve been called all kinds of names online. That doesn’t mean that it takes bravery to state I believe in Ti and Do while sitting behind a keyboard. To your credit you did admit that calling yourself the “most outspoken” proponent of Ti and Do was a mistake but I still see you drawing attention to yourself and wanting recognition for your 19 years in the Class.

Quite frankly, you largely do not know what you’re talking about much of the time. You claimed in one of your writings that RKK had already left the Class when you left in Sept of 94 from the warehouse in Orange Cty, CA. Actually RKK didn’t leave until several months later in the spring of 1995 when the Class was building the earthship in New Mexico.

How many times have you mentioned your 19 years in the Class versus how many times have you tried to draw attention to the audio tapes that were left behind? How many times have you said that you “don’t care” that that audio tapes that the Class wanted to be disseminated are being suppressed? How many times have you mentioned that you had NO interest in helping distribute Their info after They left in 1997 when RKK asked you if you wanted to help?

What if this whole thing that you’ve been doing all these years is for your own ego? Adding your flute music to an audio tape of Ti and Do? In Their final letters They stated that They wanted the information distributed, They didn’t say anything about altering it by adding your personal touch with music.

We got suckered by the lower forces working through Austin into believing that we were serving the NL by catering to Austin’s influences. After that incident it became clear to me how dangerous it was to throw “pearls before swine” and how beyond distributing the info there really is NO task here for the NL as far as any kind of public interface goes.

At times your arrogance is astounding. You may try to deny this one and ask me to be “more specific” but one of the many times that I stated that I was done communicating with you you actually had the gall to say that you hoped I wasn’t giving up on Ti and Do and the NL.

Yes sawyer, because I was sick of your particular brand of b.s. I MUST have been questioning the reality of Ti and Do and the NL.

I’m sure Mark and Sarah believe that by copyrighting and suppressing the Class’ info that they are serving the NL. Rio and Marc probably thought that they were serving the NL by going on Art Bell and attacking RKK and telling lies about him and their tasks.

You seem to believe that everything that you have done online for the past 15 years has been for the Next Level. You have accused me of a “self-righteous vendetta” for daring to hold you accountable for your extraordinary claims that you make in the name of Ti and Do.

But what if you are on a self-righteous and self-appointed mission Sawyer? Do you seriously expect the world to accept your interpretations of dreams that you’ve had and based on that accept that you’re on a mission for the NL? Maybe the reason why you get so defensive and start playing the victim when you are held accountable for your claims is because you aren’t 100% comfortable with your claims?

Maybe this whole mission that you made up for yourself and are trying to get the world to accept is about you wanting attention and recognition just like how Austin used HG to garner attention for himself. I will never believe in your mission and I don’t need you to help me “decide” who to give my “allegiance” to. Maybe the NL doesn’t need you to help individuals decide either? If I were you I’d project an apology to RKK and to Ti and Do for trying to find fault with him, it was a pretty mean-spirited and petty attack on someone who isn’t even here, someone who has shown FAR more dedication to the NL than any of us here considering that he left twice by his own hand. And maybe try being quiet for once and do some introspection instead of whining to the internet yet again about “accusations” against you and playing the martyr card every time that you’re held accountable for the things that you’re doing in Ti and Do’s name. Criticism of you and your made-up mission is not and never will be criticism of Ti and Do and the Next Level despite what you have conned yourself into believing.

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Sawyers responses to Carlan’s comment:
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I do that distribution of the HG Book and the Audio Tapes, etc. as well whenever someone asks. It’s all helping people see in greater depth what Ti and Do were all about as they said was hoped for in the letter sent to Mrc and Srf.

I may have been out of place years ago to spend so much time explaining to people what is in their Book and on the tapes. I did recognize that I was soft peddling their extension of the choice to exit as they did, to go with them to where they were going as opposed to being “saved” from the recycling. But when I saw that I sought to correct it and put together a blog post to show all the ways they thought about our choices going forward and how everyone actually could grow closer to them without feeling like the only choice was to exit in the way they did. I know that is justifying my own choice not to exit by my own hand but it’s not a self justification because the options didn’t come from me. Do spoke about those options in great detail in several of his video’s, exit and Beyond Human video’s and Jwnody wrote about it as well. I know that Ti and Do want us all to make the choices that feel most right to us, whatever they are and along with that do want us to believe in Them because they know they are the ones who have the “key” to that Heaven’s Gate and that all God’s children grow at different rates and that no one else should guilt us into submission. We need to give ourselves to the Next Level because we really want to.

I never found fault with Rkkody at all. I was simply pointing out that he was doing the best he could with his task for the Next Level. I admit bringing up some of his choices – selling mugs and other paraphernalia to offset the cost of distributing the information as his choice to do and NOT WRONG, though I hadn’t seen Ti and Do do that, though in a sense I guess one could say working for humans to put food on the table was in a sense the same kind of thing. And we also sold the Transfiguration Diet book. In fact I sold them during my lunch hour when we lived in Dallas and I was at my out of craft task and had a car because I was the assigned driver in our car pool.

I don’t understand how you could know if Do and Ti and/or certain students did contact me through dreams or not! I don’t expect you to believe that and I don’t expect that I got the right interpretations, if it was from them but they always said the Next Level used our dream time to help us with lessons and perhaps my sharing them was not what DO would have had me do. I know it can look like bragging and like the religious who claim contact with Jesus, etc. Jesus did teach that prayer was private and that one would receive responses to our prayer in private. So I guess I won’t know is that was right to do in this circumstance until I’m back in their company if they choose to save my Soul for another opportunity.

Rkkody never asked me to help him except in some way regarding his exit and I admit at that time being far more asleep than I am now.

I never found fault with Rkkody at all. I was simply pointing out that he was doing the best he could with his task for the Next Level. I admit bringing up some of his choices – trying to sell mugs and other paraphernalia to offset the cost of distributing the information, because of what I saw as a double standard in your judgement of my choices verses his. I see that was another mistake of mine as it seems to have just made you more furious sounding. I had felt to offer you that viewpoint for years but didn’t until I finally did.

I had heard that Mark may have found fault with Rkkody over that but I never did even in my mind. I hadn’t seen Ti and Do do that, though in a sense I guess one could say working for humans to put food on the table was in a sense the same kind of thing. And we also sold the Transfiguration Diet book. In fact I sold them during my lunch hour when we lived in Dallas and I was at my out of craft task and had a car because I was the assigned driver in our car pool.

You don’t know if Do and Ti and certain students did contact me through dreams or not! I don’t expect you to believe that and I don’t expect that I got the right interpretations, if it was from them but they always said the Next Level used our dream time to help us with lessons.

 

You don’t know if Do and Ti and certain students did contact me through dreams or not!

I didn’t know when Rkk left the last time. If I acted like I knew that it was a typo. I have no desire to be inaccurate in any regard though I admit making mistakes that I correct when they are pointed out.

You make many assumptions and say things as facts about what I think and do and they are not and yet never respond to my responses and then keep repeating the same accusations so after a while it appears that you believe what is actually untrue.

You seem to have an agenda as you told me in a facebook message to stop me while you hold yourself up high in self righteousness and your tiny, tiny evidence is my site descriptions that doesn’t say that much.

What difference does it make how many times I said this verses that. Who’s got the talley? How trite are your accusations as if you are the scorekeeper over me.

In terms of distributing Ti and Do’s information, who has the talley on that – you?

Why isnt’ my experience hearing what Ti and Do said valid distribution of their information?

Maybe putting flute on that one little snippet for my blog talk radio show was tacky or perhaps Do and Ti would have wished I didn’t do that but without an instruction or procedure you can site it’s like anything else. They didn’t say what not to do. You are creating you own opinion about that while claiming that I am giving my own opinion about things. The difference is that you are on the attack without evidence. Why is that?

If I dilute something then tell me what it is and I will examine it. If I distort something then tell me what it is. At least tell me that you even read what I say or read it to find the higher side. I’ve never thrown anything in your face so shouldn’t you take the higher side with me as you and Rkkody tried to do with others? What have I said or done that doesn’t deserve even that little bit of respect?

You state that “you largely do not know what you’re talking about much of the time” – okay fine, so give me some examples, otherwise you are stating something that is not necessarily true.

For me it has required degrees of bravery to do a lot of the media I’ve done. It took bravery to give public meetings and talk to the press while in Ti and Do’s classroom as well. Maybe for you it’s not brave but maybe it’s harder for me and you’ve conquered that sheepishness.

I don’t think that everything I do is for the Next Level.

Can you be specific as to your claim that I have made “extraordinary claims that you make in the name of Ti and Do.”

If I am on a self righteous self appointed mission that’s between me and Ti and Do. But for the record if you actually watched these video’s you would see that I often don’t think I have the ultimate “right” interpretation on some parts of scripture.

As far as self appointed, I was honestly seeking to serve Ti and Do again in 2001 many years before I had dreams and began writing the book that I just published where I saw those Revelation verses that seemed to indicate the plan of there being a “backside (history)” to the overall BOOK (Rev 5:1) and the Little Book descriptions in Rev chapter 10. But I never really thought that applied to any one person and certainly not specifically to me, except in how I did feel to write about all the Jesus prophecy.

Do and Ti never justified themselves with prophecy but certainly talked about prophecy points. Do held a meeting where he had us bring bibles to one time during the entire time I was with them and interpreted Rev 12:1 as the “woman” being TI (TI wasn’t at that meeting as it was before she exited her vehicle).

You act as if the Next Level is static and there is no one else who can be in their service yet that’s not what Do talked about as the Three Types of people who could be saved….AFTER they left physically.

So who is influencing you to be so against my showing anyone who ever counted Jesus as someone from the Kingdom of God, Next Level how all Jesus said and did was talking about what Ti and Do fulfiilled? Who wants to keep that truth from being spread far and wide (if the Next Level chooses for it to be through whoever)?

Why do you seem to be more concerned about my spreading that truth than that truth becoming available in a way it hasn’t been done before that I’m aware of?

Even after saying that I’m reminded that the Next Level doesn’t need me or anyone else to do their work because as Jesus said, they can raise up stones to praise God. But they also have shown that it’s part of the program that some can continue their overcoming by being of service in that way.

By the way, I have no “followers,” in the context you often seem to imply, as if I’m trying to or even capable of being someone’s leader.

I don’t expect anyone to believe anything about me or about Ti and Do or about anything. That’s not a concern of mine at all. To the contrary I do expect more attacks on anyone and everyone who give their allegiance to the Next Level versus the Luciferian run human kingdom of governments and religions and wealth accumulation, and false god worship (working for), etc.

What claims am I uncomfortable with?

I guess you have sought to hold me accountable, so that’s fine. Sometimes you have said things that I have taken to heart. I know I have influences and make mistakes and talk too much sometimes or write too much or do a poor job of writing and have given opinions that may not be from Ti and Do’s mind and one of those influences can have me display what to others might seem like arrogance, which I hate when I see myself giving into. But then again, if I know something I’m not going to act like I don’t so I don’t come across as arrogant, because there are many that can think I’m being arrogant because they don’t know what I know and I do know some things. I’ll give you an example. I know that Ti and Do are from the Next Level and that everything they taught and did was a perfect example of the greatest truth anyone could find and what I wish to become and mimic. If that sounds arrogant than so be it. In that case it’s not an influence.

Maybe you could be more accountable to many of the things you say against me. Not accountable to me but to make sure it’s related to instructions and lesson steps Ti and Do and Jesus gave us. As otherwise isn’t it “finding fault” without cause as Jesus warned us against doing and as Ti and Do put in the words to their song…

Help me have no human ways
No thoughts of self
No faults to see
Only the ways of Space
Now I know my heart is fast
In my Father’s path at last
Only the Ways of Space
Only the Ways of Space

For those that may read this and never heard that song it was sung to the Beethoven music called “Jesus meine Freund” (Jesus my friend). I don’t think we ever sang that aloud or as a group as it’s a type of prayer and as Jesus also taught it’s private to be done in our personal “closet”.

However, when someone does find fault with us, we can still benefit from it. Ti and Do called that “making a positive out of a negative” something they said many times that the Next Level were very good at doing.

I know I’m being “defensive” and in the context of the classroom such was inappropriate. If a check partner brought something up to us that was supposed to only be things to where we were breaking “procedures”, behaviors and ways, our response, besides trying to understand fully what they are saying or agreeing with them would be to say “thank you, I’ll examine that” rather than to give justifications of ourselves and/or to then strike back at them in some way. We were required to offer that help to our partners but we didn’t offer that help to anyone else in the class. If we saw someone else breaking procedure the instruction was to write a note to Ti and Do about it.

In this setting it would seem to be different, but perhaps I’m wrong about that. But if I didn’t “defend” against certain accusations or inaccurate statements, presumptions to know how I think and what my motivation is – judgements against me, though I know they don’t necessarily have any bearing on what Ti and Do think (though they may), to date I feel to respond. Maybe that’s a fault of mine sometimes but of course even that can be twisted, so some could find fault with my defense.

By the way I don’t feel “brave” to be doing what I’m doing now. But there was a time when I said things to someone, correcting them in things they would say that I thought I understood were’t from Ti and Do’s mind, that I could bring evidence to them about (though often left to interpretation I know) , that I had fear about what they might say back to me. I guess after years of doing this in a full time way, I don’t deal with that fear any longer. Sometimes I was also hurt by things said and wanted to lash back and did sometimes and/or said things I know were not from Ti and Do’s mind to say, having some misplaced anger, etc.

** Further comments from Crlody (Carlan) and Sawyer’s responses:

crlody:
These conflicts between us only serve to distract individuals from the information that the Class left behind. We need to be satisfied with that information as the most direct, undiluted Next Level information on the planet. By your actions you are not satisfied with that information and want recognition for your take on what the Class was about. By your own words you “don’t care” that much of that information is being suppressed. You want recognition for being “brave” in your self-appointed NL mission and if you didn’t want recognition for that then why even bring it up?

Sawyer:
You must never read my comments back to you because I’ve explained probably over a dozen times what I mean by the out of context, “don’t care” about the surpassed audio tapes. That was not an accurate thing to say as to how I feel about it but again I got worn down so did say it that way but since then, even over years have clarified that I do care but have no recourse to get them released that I would feel good about and know that we have everything we need. I trust Ti and Do to have provided all we need to take further steps in our overcoming and provision of service (mission) for Ti and Do. As I recall, but could be wrong about, Ti and Do didn’t like using that word “mission” pertaining to themselves. They spoke as having or giving a “task”, or an “assigned task” and/or “project” and/or “process” and/or program as far as I recall.

What do you propose we do to try to get those tapes remaining audio tapes released?

You sound like you think you have authority to tell me what I should or should not be doing, saying my actions show that I’m not “satisfied with that information” (from Ti and Do) because I write/talk about related scriptures and signs, etc. while DO and TI are who gave us the many, many references to scriptures and parts of the Book of Revelations, not me, so I’m following their lead in that. If you could point to things Ti and Do said that indicate what NOT to think, say and do then you’d have some credence but even the few remote references hardly criticize my efforts in that regard.

I think you could learn to look for the positive in what others do, and “forgive” our trespasses against others as we want our trespasses to be forgiven and especially so when you have no grounds to see them as negatives in Ti and Do’s mind from the information they left behind.

I agree their info is the most direct, undiluted info on the planet. Part of their information is the Jesus record (See the back of the Heaven’s Gate book and how many times DO spoke about Jesus and Ti as well, though they never quoted chapter and verse) that you seem to choose not to include – the entire record in the 4 gospels and we can’t ignore how much of the Book of Revelations DO spoke about so can’t disqualify those provisions of information.

I brought up before that to me it did require some bravery (however minor) to put myself in the public eye in 1997 and then again in 2002 and thereafter at times. I only brought up “bravery” because you kept on reminding me that I didn’t have the courage to exit as they did which I don’t disagree with, though have no reason to believe not having that courage means the end of my learning lessons and providing Ti and Do service until I do exit this vehicle (by whatever means, not actually ruling out leaving as they did).

Crlody:
Ti and Do were brave as were all those who followed Them out of here. You’re here because you’re afraid to leave. Just like everyone else. You’re not special. The world doesn’t need Sawyer’s take on what the class was about to grow closer to the NL. What if I said that I had a dream in which Do told me that you are completely off-track and not serving the NL with this mission of yours? Would you tell me it must not have been Do in my dream? How would either of us “prove” it either way? You can never prove that you are for the NL Sawyer, it’s something that you believe and you seem to expect the world to believe you too. considering that you haven’t shut up about it for ten plus years running now If you claim that you have contacts with the NL and you also claim that you “don’t care” that a significant portion of the NL mind that was left here by the class is being suppressed then I must state that your “contacts” are not from the NL. The Class wanted the tapes distributed. RKK knew it, I know it but you don’t care because you are more interested in your own blog, your own book and your own videos than you are in listening to Do instruct the students in the ways and thinking of the NL.

Maybe the reason that you get so defensive and you behave as if you’re almost a martyr for the NL is because deep down you know that you could be wrong about all of your claims.

Sawyer:

Constant exaggerations and misrepresentations of what I think come out of your pen on a regular basis. How do you know what I think unless I give it to you. Who gives you that information that makes you sound so confident?

I am not trying to prove to anyone that I am for the Next Level but I am trying to offer evidence that Ti and Do were from the Next Level as the return of the Father and Jesus. Can you explain to me what’s wrong with that?

I’m wondering if you are drunk or stoned when you write these comments as they ramble along with preconceived opinions you self justify that are often telling me what I think and feel and experience and should not do. Do you ever wonder what Ti and Do think of your accusations against me?

And then if I respond which I always do, you call me defensive. Isn’t that called in the world a type of “bait and switch” you are employing, or maybe it’s the “straw horse” or some other phrase that’s been popularized for that kind of form of deception. It’s hardly straight forward as we were taught to communicate and Jesus also spoke about.

Ti and Do taught that dreams could be used by the Next Level to help us with our lessons. It was personal and when Ti and Do had us tell them of our dreams, which they encouraged us to program our vehicles to remember when we went “down” (to bed), they sometimes gave their impression of the dream and sometimes told us about their dreams. The biggest point to dreams is that they are personal and not meant to talk about anyone else so the idea that you could have a dream that said I was off track wouldn’t be consistent with what they taught just like if I had a dream that you were off track. I’m not saying those kinds of dreams are impossible to have but they would be from the lower forces not from the Next Level based on all I recall they taught about dreams.

I also have no desire for the “world” to believe anything I say but you keep repeating stuff like that as if a broken record.

You are all about, almost 100% related to me all about what “I’m not” whether to you or to others and to Ti and Do which is a big pointer of where such thoughts come from because you don’t know what I am to Ti and Do right now, nor to anyone else. All you can do, as I is talk about what you believe or feel about me, which you’ve done so many times now I had to compile them into a blog post so to not allow you to sow news seeds of misinformation about me.

crlody:
To your credit you’re one of the very few former class members I’ve known who takes responsibility for why they left the Class. RKK did too. And of course for your own sake I’m glad that you decided that you found the human life unsatisfying. But how can you be sure that “give your life” in a dream means that you’re supposed to be doing all that you’re doing?

Sawyer: To me that’s apples and oranges re: my belief that Do said to me in a dream, when I asked (not during a dream) if I should “prepare to lay down my life as they did”, “you need to give your life”. That’s not saying I’m supposed to do what I’m doing. I don’t know if what I did with the book and other biblical based writings/speakings is approved by Ti and Do. They may not see any value to it, though for other reasons to include subsequent dreams I have impressions that it was a positive thing to do for the overall mission at this point in time THAT THEY GAVE TO ALL OF US. It was by delving into the Revelations to show how they all can legitimately translate and be interpreted as being fulfilled by Ti and Do, specifically because of their teachings and experiences over the years, that I couldn’t deny their potential value to at the very least provide the challenge to Christians who say they are waiting for Jesus to return. It faces them with the truth and I guess it’s possible some are still growing souls. I don’t know. I don’t try to discern all that. It’s enough to do, to try to keep up with all the misinformation seeds sown out there on a daily basis.

Crlody:
Are you getting specific instructions from Ti and Do in dreams to say all that you’re saying? They told you that you are “brave” and that it doesn’t matter that the audio tapes that They wanted disseminated are being suppressed? That makes no sense and I think deep down you know it doesn’t but you are so thoroughly convinced, so thoroughly RIGHTEOUS about everything you’re doing being some “task” for the NL that you refuse to hear anything to the contrary. The more that I tell you that I don’t believe in your task the more you will continue to believe in it as you take that resistance to mean you’re being persecuted because of the rightness of your mission. Don’t confuse your own will with Ti and Do’s will. You don’t represent Them. You can’t explain the lessons presented by Ti and Do on the audio tapes better than they can.

Swyody:
No absolutely not. I haven’t got any “instructions” from dreams or any other way. I agree with Rkkody, that’s not the way it works but we can get “ideas” about things to think or say or do, but they can’t necessarily be counted on unless we can see them verified by things in the legitimate records with all Ti and Do taught as the ultimate authority. I know I suggested that the Ceres lights were not Space Aliens on that dwarf planet. I don’t think I’m wrong about that because DO said that the space aliens couldn’t travel very far away from the earth anymore. However, I don’t know how far that is. But if we can count on what Jesus said about where the “signs” would come from going forward through the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies, as Ti and Do taught we could pertaining to the “red letters” in the 4 gospels then we can surmise that that space aliens wouldn’t be allowed to interfere with those “signs” seen in the “sun, moon and stars” (which I believe stars comes from the Greek “Aster” as a lighted object seen traversing from east to west, thus a comet, and I also think stars could be considering the plants as to us with the naked eye they look the same as stars. With Pluto I came up with interpretation because I knew the content of the first movie script and the pictures Ollody drew/airbrushed. Both Pluto and Ceres are strongly linked to Rev 6:8, to show their influence during the time of the “green horse”. When I saw a number of cross referenced records, the same as with Rev 11 Two Witnesses and Rev 12 “woman” and lots more, like the “Briefing” Ti “remembered” before she left in Rev 4, it’s like hard to deny there is a strong potential match of those ideas to those prophecies, yet I still do not know for sure if I got those right but it’s part of when they occurred as well that to me is part of that puzzle. And there have been many more “signs”. We didn’t need those “signs”. I think safe to say no one who was in their classroom needed any of those signs but now, it’s impossible to tell who can benefit from being able to see those mysteries uncovered.

Crlody:
Once again, go complain to your followers about all the “accusations” that you have to weather while on your important mission for the Next Level. RKK never felt like he was here to explain what the class was about. And he even was sent back after his first attempt at leaving. And he never saw it as being sent back, he always maintained that he “botched” the attempt.

Sawyer:
This to me sounds like sarcasm, though I could be wrong but if it is, which you can examine I think you would agree it’s not a characteristic of a member of the Next Level.

I am not comparing myself to Rkkody, nor anyone else, nor that I have any different mission than anyone else, nor why he botched the first exit. I only considered that it wasn’t botched so that he could do a few more tasks for the Next Level before he left, but I could be wrong about that but I know it’s possible that’s why it was botched or that the Next Level made a positive out of the “botch”.

I have no followers but I admit when it comes up, and some ask me or comment about our back and forth I get worn out, so probably do come across as complaining. I’ll try not to duplicate that further.

Here are:  More accusations against Sawyer’s blog, video’s, Revelations Book by Carlan aka Crlody:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/19/more-accusations-against-sawyers-blog-videos-revelations-book-by-carlan-aka-crlody

Here is the newest 2018 comment Carlan made about me and my comment to an article about Heaven’s Gate:

Crl’s comment:

The most accurate information on HG is the info left behind by HG, not Sawyer’s blog and book which he is writing on his own as part of his self-appointed mission here on planet earth which he claims he got from some dreams. Hundreds of hours of audio tapes left behind by the group are being suppressed and Sawyer has stated that he does “not care” that these tapes are being suppressed, probably because his primary interest is promoting his blog, book and himself. Sawyer had no interest in distributing HG’s info after they left in 1997 despite the fact that the group repeatedly stated in their final letters to some former members of the group that they wanted their info to get out. Sawyer did not receive one of these letters.

Sawyer’s reply:

Carlan is right. The most accurate information on HG is in the information left behind but as I was with Ti and Do for 19 years and witnessed most of that information’s progression and have countless examples of the many things Ti and Do taught, I provide additional insights to the truth about Ti and Do that some people value. Some of the mistruths Carlan stated in his comment were:

1) The mission I have is the same mission anyone can have – to tell the truth from everything Ti and Do left behind which includes my personal witness testimony. Thus it’s not “self appointed” as DO is the one who compelled anyone to disseminate their information so people could have a more in depth understanding of what they were all about. What Carlan is referring to as dreams is true but I didn’t start being of service to Ti and Do again because of the dreams, though they did help me come to terms with the bond I had formed with Ti and Do while in the group, since I had become reabsorbed into worldliness after I left them voluntarily. I continued to have dreams sometimes in response to questions I had and sometimes to correct me, though I don’t expect Carlan to believe they could have actually been Ti and Do and Crew communicating from their spacecraft. We were taught that dream time could be used by the Next Level to help us with our lesson steps, though I never claim they can be counted upon 100% because the lower forces of the planet can also influence us through dreams. Like anything one can learn to recognize the differences.

2) Carlan keeps repeating and taking out of context my saying I do “not care” that the audio tapes are still being suppressed by Mark and Sarah, the Heaven’s Gate webmasters. First off several hundred of those audio tapes with Ti’s inclusion on them are available and I do distribute them freely to anyone who asks me for them. The couple hundred tapes still being supressed are not in my hands and I have no influence upon Mark and Sarah, though I have tried to talk sense to them. But since DO saw to it that Rkkody got the first batch of tapes and distributed them – sent me a cd, etc. when he could have arranged for them to be distributed the same way he arranged for the exit video’s and web site and Beyond Human Series to be available and could have had them all transcribed, a project we did have starting from before Ti left her vehicle in 1985, I trust that we have all the information they want us to have access to, so in that way I don’t have this cross to bear though I wouldn’t be against someone trying to get the tapes through some legal means. It just doesn’t feel like a priority when there is so much information they provided.

3) I do have interest in promoting the HG info as I have done on my blogs, on my youtube channel and on my facebook pages and in thousands of comments on other’s blogs, channels and emails and other media to include the use of music I write that gets posted to music sites and that I talk about when the subject comes up in some form in my personal offline life. I have done this for over 15 years now in degrees so that now it’s a full time job I’m fortunate enough to be able to do.

Yes I do promote my book that brings scriptural evidence to Ti and Do as the so called Second Coming as DO always thought Christians were the number one group who were prepared to receive the truth, though are also the most misguided away from that truth. Since DO started me off on getting into scripture this felt natural for me to dive into.

It’s true that I was not mentioned in the letters Do and Crew sent to Mark and Sarah, to Rkkody and to a few others who at the time had expressed interest in the task of disseminating their information. I don’t know why Carlan is bringing that up as he knows DO wasn’t limiting who could take on that task, which it also states in the letters.

Why call out someone who it telling the truth about Ti and Do in whatever ways they can. It’s not like I do so under false pretenses. I’m not starting a new cult nor trying to be a new leader nor am I replacing Do in any way, shape or form. I’m not making hardly any money from doing so. I’ve made less than $75 in royalties for my book over the last year of sales. I give my book away on my blog. I don’t claim anyone needs anything I say or do to grow closer to Ti and Do.

Carlan’s beef with me is a human beef entirely and he knows that I will examine anything someone brings up to me and if their criticism fits I will wear that shoe as I’ve demonstrated by admitting to some of the things he brought against me years ago, things that in no way were related to changing Ti and Do’s information one iota.

I do promote myself as a witness to Ti and Do’s classroom. That’s what’s called “Standing for Ti and Do”. One can send people Their information and that’s fine but to give each person one’s personal testimony and experience can certainly become part of that process that can be of value. Ti and Do taught that their students were all attached to a strain of other souls who are taking vehicles to move up a notch in their own development towards Next Level membership. They taught that each student’s way of expressing themselves might appeal to different individuals in such a way that they can benefit from having that contact. DO even indicated that in his absence if there were “active students” left behind then those who are interested in the information should seek to have contact with them. I can’t imagine that such a contact was meant to be limited to telling them where they could find the HG information as anyone can find that for themselves by going to the Heavensgate.com web site and downloading their book that contains all the necessary information.

Carlan, you are fighting against the wrong enemy to try to limit or discredit me. As Jesus said about John the Baptist… if he’s saying the same things I’m saying then he’s on our side.

More accusations from Crlody against sawyer:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/19/more-accusations-against-sawyers-blog-videos-revelations-book-by-carlan-aka-crlody