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TI and DO Classroom Meeting Transcript Links

December 4, 2019
The Heaven’s Gate Book contains the transcripts of the Beyond Human Video tape series
Here is what I have that’s been posted on my blog:
TI and DO Audio Transcript 005 – Program for Perfect Health by Meditation to Eliminate Stress
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/13/ti-and-do-audio-transcript-005-program-for-perfect-health-by-meditation-to-eliminate-stress/
TI and DO transcript #53 – Lessons on Following Instructions as a Member of the Next Level Would
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/05/12/ti-and-do-transcript-53-lessons-on-following-instructions-as-a-member-of-the-next-level-would/
TI and DO transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/05/06/ti-and-do-audio-transcript-215-re-establishing-the-committal-05-09-85/
TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA – 5-22-94 parts 1 and 2
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/24/do-audio-transcript-combo-mt-cross-ca-parts-1-and-2-5-22-94/
Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled – transcript from Do’s videotape
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/
TI and DO – #95 – Listing Our Task – 02-14-1984 (audio transcription)
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/29/ti-and-do-listing-our-task-02-14-1984-audio-transcription/

TI and DO transcript #53 – Lessons on Following Instructions as a Member of the Next Level Would

May 12, 2019
Tape Log: 053 – 03/31/83 – OOC task-two extremes. Be alert & observant. Must learn the art of getting along with everyone. Misapplication of instruction-flowers. Interaction with Links =lessons-just say, “I did it wrong”. 45 min.

(Transcribed by Nisha and edited by Sawyer (Swy) Classroom full name: Swyody)

(Swy note: This appears to have been recorded at the Houston “retreat”. TI and DO lived in Houston briefly, their vehicles home before they awakened upon meeting there. When they moved there DO grew a beard so he wouldn’t be so noticeable by former friends and family of his vehicle. They leased a type of townhouse for students to come there to visit while the rest of the class was in Austin.)

Tape starts:

DO: Often when Links is talking to someone about instructions we might start off saying one thing like go to such and such a place to get carrots and then the more we talk in the conversation because of information we later find out we would change that to: don’t go to such and such a place and get carrots, go someplace else. Repeatedly, we find that the students are hearing portions of what we say and not hearing other portions. In other words, at the point of our making a change, they remember what we said first before we made the change more that they remember the change, which means — sounds like they’re thinking about something we said while we’re saying something else instead of listening to everything we say as we say it.

Don’t let your computers work on something we’ve just said while we’re still trying to say something else. You could be helpful by — like when TI brought up the cornbread thing of not letting the batter sit too long that just overrode everything and translated to: We’ll make up all the cornbread and let everybody be served cold cornbread which wasn’t the intent at all, it was a misapplication of instructions which is part of what we’re going to talk about. We’ve got to lick, dismiss misapplication of instructions.

TI: Let me give another example because I think ones back at the craft – The last crew that was up here and we noticed that Alxody was coming up with this group we said that Alxody was a satellite 3 person coming up and we said Alxody could not come up as a satellite 3 person but that didn’t mean they would bump Alxody and put somebody else in so that we would have a satellite 3 person. It meant that it was such perfectly okay for Alxody to come up but he could not be as a Satellite 3 person the way they mentioned it to us. Do yawl remember that?

And by the time they got back to the class they interpreted it that Alxody couldn’t come on this retreat group because he couldn’t be a Satellite 3 person, which there are times when there are no Satellite 3 people coming anymore in the retreat group – is that right – so why would you bump Alxody because of what we’re saying – to think the reason for that wasn’t because there was anything wrong with Alxody. It’s because he’s not able to function as a  Satellite 3 person without a check partner and he doesn’t have a check partner.

DO: Well we said we always try to make it if we can so a Satellite 3 person can be in a retreat crew going to retreat. And we said yes that’s fine but you don’t do it at the expense of having to get them out of the order of which they should be going. You follow what we’re saying? But we couldn’t count the number of times that our instructions have been twisted and you want to be aware of how your vehicles twist instructions and you want to exert special effort to find out if you’re twisting instructions.

Let’s take the — I feel like Swyody has innocently twisted instructions or I’m not understanding everything. Like this morning, I asked him how his new task was going and he said: Well not exactly like the other two times I was over there, because the dishwasher didn’t show up and the chef was having to pitch in and wash dishes and they had to bring in somebody from someplace else and I said: Well, did you offer to help with the dishwashing? and he said ‘No I didn’t’. And I suspect, though I may be wrong that he was maybe thinking he shouldn’t from what we said about washing dishes. Is that correct, Swyody?

Swyody: (affirms)

DO: Well see that’s not right. Links have never indicated that you all — when we said we didn’t want you going out and taking jobs washing dishes – we didn’t want people taking advantage of you. But did that mean that when a crew is shorthanded and everybody is having to pitch in that we would have one of our students be the one not to pitch in and do things like scrub pots and pans or even scrub the floor or any other thing that had to happen as an exception.

And we said as it turns out – well he told me from the beginning that they had to do this and then my brain just short circuited because I thought then why did you apply for the job? Because if you know we don’t want you doing pots and pans regularly – when people wouldn’t show up. In other words, you can’t go and say: ‘I’d like this job very much and I’m a dessert person and ah well I’m just making this up’ but you can’t go and say ‘I’ll do this and this and this but I don’t wash windows, I don’t do pots and pans I’m not going to let you step on me – I’m not going to let you take advantage of me.’ It means your not understanding what Links was talking about in the beginning – because what Links is talking about in the beginning is that you go out and be the best employee that you can be. We don’t want you to apply for menial labor tasks but that didn’t mean that when in an emergency situation that you wouldn’t pitch in and be apart of a crew that needed to do anything that needed to happen. Now if it turned out that emergency situations were more ordinary than extraordinary and if you were washing pots and pans more than you were doing anything else then you would say look that’s not what you took the job for, let’s see if you can get another one. But we, this is another example of we have seen you go to one extreme to the other, we have seen people who’d have let people step all over them instead of sticking to your guns like if you took a car to be repaired and the service man just said oh well I don’t think that right we need so and so. Stick to your guns and tell them what Links told you it needs – this is what we told you needs to be done.

The extreme of that is a time or two people have done it in such a way that it irritated the service manager and made it sound like they were mad or they were being arrogant or they were being so impossible and at that point don’t you know that humans back down? And they’re not going to service you. They’re not going to be helpful to you if you go in and set them off with: Well listen to me!, this is the way I want it done and that’s it. You’ve got to stick to your guns diplomatically. You’ve got to do it in away that they appreciate the fact that you’re sticking to your guns. You don’t start bumping noses with them or bucking with them unless it’s a situation where you have no choice. You’ve tried your diplomatic effort, you’ve tried to cooperate with them, you’ve tried to do everything in a way that you could stick to your guns and still have a smooth outcome and it didn’t work. If it didn’t work then your kind of at your wits end – you would either have to buck with them or throw up your hands and call for help. But you’ve got to – tell us what the score is Swyody so we can understand it better like what did you mean when you said ‘He told me from the offset that this happens’ frequently?

Swyody: Well he said he had a hard time getting help…

DO: Well then why didn’t you tell us that? Why didn’t you let us know that when you started applying for the job that here’s a position where the chef has told us that frequently people won’t show up and he ends up washing the pots. I wouldn’t be able to work with a chef who was washing the pots and pans when I was making desserts.

TI: What would you do when he was washing pots and pans?

Swyody: I was making a soup he asked me to make.

DO: Okay, well that’s okay if he says like if I offer to wash the pots and pans and he says no I want you to make the soup I’ll fill in here. Great. But I would feel obligated to offer to the chef to wash their pots and pans and I would want to and that’s why I asked you did you offer to wash them. Did you offer to wash them?

Swyody: No.

DO: See this is where it goes wrong because to me if you’re under the chef and he’s having to do something like that you’d want to give the feeling of one who is cooperative and wants to be helpful. We feel like Swyody had bad luck a time or two with tasks and it may be because he’s misapplying instructions we’ve given him because he’s standing up for his guns so they think ‘Good night. Who do you think you are? You ought to be having office in Washington instead of here in a kitchen.’, You see what I’m saying? Because that would be a a misapplication of instructions when we say don’t let people walk over you that doesn’t mean you walk in with your nose in the air and lay down the guidelines of what you’ll do in this task. What you do is go and find out what the task requires and if it isn’t according to guidelines you go elsewhere looking for a job.

TI: What you have to do when you have an out of craft task, it’s really about the feeler and all of you have to develop the feeler. You have to learn to feel what it’s like – a good employee doesn’t ever tell an employer I won’t do something. We’re not asking any of you to tell an employer that I don’t do something or imply that I won’t do it – so of course that’s within the job task. I’m not talking about your going to rob a bank or something because I’m certain that’s within the job task. I’m not talking about their wanting you to go rob the bank or something. Because you could throw that back us later and say well they asked us to go do this or to go rob that bank or to go do everything they asked us to do. Believe it or not you all are capable of going to that extreme.

DO: And if you question the rightness of it get a note off to Sat 3 and let them get it off to Links so that we can see what happening and like Dstody said he didn’t feel right about his boss asking him to take drinks into the locker room to men who – are in the sauna when men order drinks when men said I’ll give you 10 dollars or whatever it was to go get me a beer and bring it into the sauna and he didn’t feel right about that. TI and I didn’t see anything wrong in his task why shouldn’t he do it? But the point is he refused and it almost he refused a number of things that almost got his job in hot water – because they were thinking that he had a little too many areas that he wanted his job to only be these things and not do those things so what you do is, like TI said, try to be sensitive with your feeler, try to discover what the task is before you take it and try to feel – does it feel right? Is the things I’m going to be doing do I think they’re in the guidelines of what Links intends for us to be willing to do and if the answer to that is yes then take the task – then if it turns out later that it’s expanded into areas you begin to question bring it up and let us help you with it before you cut your nose off before you make a situation where they begin to dislike you and they can dislike you on the grounds that you think you’re doing what you think Links would have you do.

We wouldn’t have you in a task where they dislike you unless they’re impossible or if they dislike you because you won’t join in as they snort cocaine or whatever it is that they’re doing – if there are things like that you know we would have you immediately try get something else. But we think you’re more capable of knowing what our intentions are then just grabbing on to little pieces of things that we say and then letting them over a short period of time distort and create an impossible circumstance for yourself.

TI: The Mind just has to push through to understand better – it’s like the brain is blocking you from what we’re saying and you have to exert the effort to understand what we’re saying. You may think you know because you think TI and Do have said this over and over again and I know exactly what they’re going to say and it turns out that you don’t know what we’re staying.

DO: That’s right, your vehicle is making it sound like you’re hearing a repeat.

TI: It’s getting to where I’m almost afraid to say something thinking it will be translated into something else. And I think how can I say something where they can understand what I’m saying? And even right now I wonder, of course we have it on tape but I still wonder if it’s going to translate into your brain – well you have got to push through and understand what we’re saying. The reason we’re putting this on tape is because if there are others like at the craft who have out of craft tasks and they are having the same kinds of misunderstanding that Swyody has had then we hope that this will help correct.

When you are on an out of craft task or in the craft you should be mentally alert, someone said that I’ve watched one individual in this class do things that looks like it’s just mechanical like there’s no mind really operating in that vehicle at that time and it disturbed me because I feel like that individual can be caught up in a trap that it would just slip into a nothingness, a despondency.

DO: a passiveness.

TI: a passiveness so much so that it can cause you trouble and you have never seen us walk around with a mechanical air about us. We are your examples you have to be mentally alert you’ve got to be observant you’ve got to listen carefully. When you all talk to us, we listen to you as carefully as we can unless we have a distraction and then if we have a distraction because of something one of the others TI and Do might be saying to  – to openly take what we’re listening to you and go through one of us then we’ll go back and say sorry we missed what you were saying and can you tell us again. We’re teaching you all how to listen to Older Members. You all can’t do that – only Older Members can do it, like your teachers. Actually it isn’t right for us to do it – but when there are two Older Members working together in a class circumstance sometimes it does happen but it doesn’t mean that you all can do that to Older Members – it’s like if we’re taking to you on the caller and somebody says something to you, you come back and say I’m sorry, so and so was telling me something and I didn’t hear what you were saying.

DO: (laughs) that happens a lot.

TI: Now that has happened to us many, many times and that should not happen any more than if we were standing here talking to you and all the activity around the room you started watching what Dncody and Lvvody were doing while they’re talking to Cddody. Before you know it I could ask you what was Dncody and Lvvody doing and you could tell us every little action that they were doing and then we’ll say what was I telling you and you wouldn’t even know what we were talking about. Can you understand that?

DO: You’re not capable of doing both you’re not capable of listening carefully and doing other things, you may think you are.

TI: That means you’re more interested in Dncody and Lvvody then what we’re saying so then why should we exert the effort to tell you anything? So you’ve got to understand this because it’s extremely important that you get your minds into your vehicles. When you walk, you walk as a member of the Next Level, when you talk you talk as a Member of the Next Level. You do not just walk mechanically, pick up things and look at them and put them down and try on a jacket – without any expression on your face without anything like you look like a puppet! A robot or something.

When you’re in an out of craft tasks you are alert and you know what you’re tasks are and you participate in everything as though you enjoy it. When you leave the class, you come back, end of – leave your task leave that job at your place where you work you come back here and you work in the craft as though you like it and you are alert, you know what is going on you are interested in what’s going on you’ve got to push through it and the vehicle will not do it automatically, it was not trained to do that. Your mind has to do it. And as soon as you learn that’s the better you will learn and we will be able to communicate with you. If you don’t do it we’re not going to be able to communicate with you. We have reached this place before and we felt like we just can’t communicate with you and then you all exert the effort and we’re able to do it, then we get to another spot where we can communicate which means it’s just practice that grows – there’s nothing wrong with any of you it’s that you have to put it into action, which will not happen on its own.

DO: Let me use this example with Cddody again because it’s there were little ramifications that could have come into his mind at one point that since they weren’t resolved I don’t think his brain computed. Let’s go back over the conversation Cddody was talking to me last night about, we’re going to take the car into the shop and at first we had said that they would they get it there somewhere between 7:30 and 9:00 and then little later in the conversation I said no why don’t you just get up and get to the top of the bath slot and consume and get off as quickly as you can and at that point TI heard me say that and TI then said (and of course Cddody couldn’t hear) but TI had said no let’s get him there at 7:30 then I had said no let’s get there at 7:30 which Cddody repeated to me ‘get there at 7:30’ but I didn’t say that means you might have to alter your up time and so forth and so on so it didn’t compute so what computed was to get there as close to 7:30 as they could – getting up on time and consuming as soon as they could and they got off at 7:50, I mean got down there at 7:50 which in his mind, was correct instruction.

The point I’m making is only one time did I say no let’s get there at 7:30 and what it didn’t make a strong enough impression in the computer. To think about oh well that means what we said a few minutes ago about getting at the top of the bath slot and consuming that means that won’t work so would you have us get up earlier if necessary to get there at 7:30 because if he had computed that and asked that question the answer would have been well yes of course if you can’t – in other words we don’t feel like we have to know what you can do what you have to do in order to get there at 7:30 you see what I’m saying. I feel like if you can’t get up at 6.30, consume and get off in order to be there at 7:30 then you have to alter in order to get there at 7:30 and if you feel like Links hasn’t Ok’d your getting up early then you’ve got to come back and say I don’t think we can get up on time and get there at 7:30 so that we can have a chance to say well then get up early if necessary. Well, when it got to be after 7 and you all hadn’t left I couldn’t imagine what had happened but this is just a little example how one sentence said no let’s get there at 7:30 and that there were dozens of other sentences that hadn’t been that explicit. You see what we’re saying? So the brain didn’t ‘Uh-oh’ grab hold of that one and say everything we previously talked about has now been altered and this means that we’re going to get there at 7:30 and this happens a lot – not just with Cddody it happens with others almost without exception. Frequently it’s the key thing we say in the whole conversation that gets lost.

TI: Well, it’s like the cornbread incident when the key thing was to plan your strategy so you would have hot cornbread for both crews and none of you had it.

DO: I want to know from Swyody, see I’m afraid that you got the picture that you were to present yourself in a way that you wouldn’t do tasks of that nature or I don’t understand why you wouldn’t have said to your chef last night; Goodness, can I help you out of this bind?’ and then give him the option to say; Nope, this is what I have to live with because people don’t like to be out here and you go ahead and do your soup. But to me, if I had hired someone in a lesser position than my own position and they didn’t offer to do a more menial task than their task when I was having to do it I would wonder what kind of spirit they were, what kind of cooperative nature they had. You see what I’m saying? Did that not cross your mind?

Swyody: (unintelligible)

DO: Well it would’ve been my first thought that he would think poorly of me if I didn’t offer to do that his having to do it. Particularly when I’m new and I’m wanting to make a good impression. You see what I’m saying?

Swyody: Well, I know he gave me the task of making the soup.

DO: well sure.

Swyody: so I guess…

DO: Well see I don’t know the whole picture but in trying to piece together the parts I got from you and it might be that the way he was giving you instructions might have made it very clear to you that he wanted to do that and want you to go ahead doing what you’re doing – if he did then I could understand it. I don’t know the whole picture, but I do know that you should give an impression with your employer and that nothing is beneath you even though you didn’t take the job to do dishes and you don’t want to do something like that on a regular basis hopefully because I would rather find another job if I ended up doing that all the time. It’s like with Anyody we didn’t know she was doing pots and pans on a regular basis we thought that she asked to do it on rare exceptions, next thing we knew it was on a regular basis and her regular task was pot’s and pans and we immediately said Anyody that’s taboo.

TI: That’s when you step in and said let us know about it. But once in a while it doesn’t hurt.

DO: It’s the awkwardness you all have to get passed. Swyody had an awkwardness over his address and it’s like he got caught in a couple of stories about giving wrong street numbers that didn’t exist and you’ve got to be sharper than that and more comfortable with your strategy. You’ve got to plan it that you can’t be in a circumstance like that. If I’m going to use a street number I’ve got to know that street — I’m certainly not going to give it 10,300 if I don’t know if that streets even 6 blocks long. I’m automatically going down in the first few hundreds if I’m not familiar with that street I would automatically have to think that way and you all are capable of thinking that way you’re just not exerting the effort and then you get caught twice! Twice he got caught by the same person in personnel about information that had no truth to it and part of thinking was he as nervous about the new task he was a little insecure about the two bad experiences he has recently had and deflating his ego to an extent but you have got to not let people deflate your confidence.

The only reason your confidence has any reason to be deflated is if you’re trying to do a task the way Links would have you do it and the more you try it you don’t seem to be accomplishing anything then I would have my confidence would be threatened a little bit then I would have to work harder to get it restored. But something that a human could do to me like Tim did to you that couldn’t threaten my confidence at all or make me deflated but if I had an experience like Swyody did with Tim I would wonder now wait a minute they could be –  I don’t know why but no matter what kind of impossible person Tim seemed to be, something must be wrong with me that I wasn’t capable of getting along with him – why I couldn’t go in, do a good task and be liked. I might say things that sound a little wrong, I may present myself in a way that doesn’t seem likeable something about me has caused others to dislike me but how can I change that? And all of you need to examine that kind of thing when you’re in a task in craft or out of craft when you find yourself in a predicament where others find it difficult to cooperate with you and examine yourself and wonder what it is that makes it that way.

TI: It’s very difficult to work with — when you’re a Member of the Next Level to work with humans when there’s conflict so it’s always better to try to get rid of conflict by examining yourself and also observing that individual to see how you can get along with that person well if it’s impossible to get along with that individual then you’ll find out eventually but you can be – it’s just like working with each other none of you should be so impossible that I don’t like the work with so and so. I don’t like to work with him or her because of such and such that’s all garbage, that’s all human garbage and you all should know everybody’s likes and dislikes and you shouldn’t pay any bit attention so that could affect you because there is not a single person here that could do any harm to you.

DO: There are some in your class who — there are a number of people who have a difficulty getting along with them. Okay, follow my little formula here there’s some individuals in your class because of some characteristics they still have not conquered a number of people find it difficult to get along with them. But there are others in your class that can get along with those individuals and have mastered how not to let those characteristics of which they’re trying to conquer to disturb them in the least. And they can get maximum performance in cooperation with those individuals that others find it impossible to get along with so where’s the trouble? With the person who’s impossible or the person who can’t get along with them?

The person that’s difficult he’s got a lot to work on but the person who can’t get along with them has to work on just as much because he hasn’t learned to get along with. He hasn’t mastered anything he’s only good with people who are easy to get along with you see what we’re saying? So he has to learn to get along with people who require effort to get along with and there’s no difference when some of your classmates are working on certain kinks in their personality that are difficult then areas that you are working on that are less obvious and none of you are free of serious areas that need work. Therefore there’s no justification for not learning the art of getting along with anyone. Okay, are we through? Tllody?

Tllody: I hope this is appropriate… (unintelligible)

TI: They don’t serve us, we serve our own.

Tllody: continues…

DO: They clean our plates sometimes but you know why they clean our plates and don’t find sauce and spaghetti on our plates? Because we scrape our own plates.

TI: The sauce is okay, the meat we’re not encouraging you to eat.

DO: Either one is an extreme. If I try to eat my spaghetti so that all the sauce and meat is left off I’m going to an extreme but if I eat my spaghetti and clean up the sauce and meat that on my plate I’m going to another extreme we say that the sauce and meat that goes with your spaghetti can’t hurt you but you shouldn’t have so much sauce on there that’s there’s a lot of concentrated sauce and meat that you would follow that experiment up with.

TI: But we don’t eat much of the meat, we eat very little of the meat.

DO: That’s right now the meat we consider more flavoring for the spaghetti and we consume only what little meat might stick to the spaghetti if as we consume it as we roll it up into little baseballs that doesn’t mean we try on every little baseball to be sure that every little bit of the meat is off of it, that’s an extreme. But we don’t heat that the concentrated sauce and meat is good for you enough that you should clean up what’s left on your plate and that it you should try not have no much sauce with it that there’s puddle of it left after you ate your spaghetti.

TI: That’s right, you shouldn’t have that much sauce that you would have to clean up your plate with a spoon and this is not what we are encouraging you to do.

Tllody (explaining how his vehicle likes the meat):

TI: If your vehicle likes it, it’s going to find a way if you all could learn your vehicle and you can bank on it doing exactly what it likes to do when it comes to food in other words that sounds when somebody asks a question about consuming the thought comes in my mind entirely different is recorded in my brain as I receive it because it’s saying I like this exactly what I want to hear I know it, it’s just like if you all could realize that it’s…

DO: My brain, I mean my mind reacts just the opposite and dislikes what my vehicle has just indicated to me what it likes so much. So much that I tend to then go the other way and be more turned off then would be normal if had I hadn’t seen a prejudice from my vehicle in favor of it.

TI: In favor of it.

DO: you see what I’m saying?

Tllody: In a sense that’s the key right there, that your vehicle has…

TI: Just like ice cream, if your vehicle looks forward to the ice cream then your mind order step in immediately and say ‘ice cream isn’t that good’

DO: It isn’t.

TI: Sure

DO: Cause your mind doesn’t care if it gets ice cream it doesn’t have a means of enjoying it.

TI: It doesn’t say ‘oh boy that tastes good’, that’s your vehicle talking. And your mind should immediately realize the symptoms that your vehicle is looking forward to the cake and you don’t have to eat a piece of cake and if I was having that kind of trouble I wouldn’t touch a piece of cake.

DO: Your mind doesn’t feed the vehicle like the human feeds the horse sugar to keep the horse happy – I’m going to give it something that isn’t good for it just to keep it happy. The mind considers that it has the ability to control the vehicle and keep it operating and functioning well without giving into it. Without doing all the little things to satisfy it that doesn’t mean that it goes to the other extreme and is difficult with the vehicle it tries to do it without giving into it and without trying too be to harsh on it. Don’t go out of balance to be too harsh on the vehicle and to give into it, way out the balance. The proper way when you have the vehicle in control is to get the performance from the vehicle that you want without any back talk one way or the other – we just want to get the performance out of it therefore you know it requires X amount of nutrition and consuming but it doesn’t require X amount of sugar or X amount of this – any of the things that the vehicle has a particular yen for so it doesn’t give in to those but neither does it go to the other extreme. It’s like when we told you the big test is can I gave a little something once in a while without making it a big ‘to-do’ can I learn to ignore it. Like if I really like ice cream I’ll skip some of my ice cream opportunities and when I have my ice cream I’ll learn not even look forward to it. It’s just some other ingredient that I’m having.

TI: Just like getting gas at the service station. Cars don’t look forward getting unleaded or just plain old regular – they just get it because they’re running out of gas and this is how you should look at food, food is just gas that you’re putting into your vehicles.

DO: Talking about gas for a moment, I think that still one of the biggest problems we have with vehicles that have gas problems is not chewing enough – the more you chew and pulverize that food the less it creates fermentation in your digestive system and the more the natural enzymes break it down and prevent gas, so one of the main things you can do and I have to keep my own vehicle disciplined in the area of chewing particularly when I only have one little tiny spot to chew on, I get awful tired of shoveling everything to that one little spot and chomping for so long.

TI: have to use the front teeth.

This doesn’t apply to just likes and dislikes in regards to food it’s likes and dislikes to anything like let’s use the TV for instance one individual while he was here on at retreat wanted to change the time of consuming so that he could watch the news. That’s pretty bad, I think it happened in Blackhawk it hasn’t happened recently but when you have thoughts like that that means you’re hooked on television because we have not given you an assignment to watch the news. Now if we say we don’t want you to miss a single news item on television no matter what, don’t give us any excuses and everything watched on television in regards to news then you would have to alter your schedule to watch the news but the news is optional and we know things are happening out there and they’re going to happen whether we watch TV or not. And when the time comes and it’s time for the news and you’re free of what you’re supposed to be doing then it’s okay to watch it but the world doesn’t stop just so you can see the news you don’t plan your schedule so that you can see the news – if you’re through with everything in the task, in the craft and the news is on and you feel like you feel like you can sit down and do it then it’s okay to do it but otherwise it isn’t imperative to see it.

Some corrections to those who say nothing Ti and Do said came true

January 8, 2019

Here are just a handful of all the many things Ti and Do said and taught and did that showed to have come true. However it will be each person’s choice to try to grow to see them or not. With each one – in no special order, I could give a lot more examples. I will expand this as they occur to me since a few people seem to think nothing they ever said came true:
Things TI and DO said that have come true:

1) In the 1970’s Ti and Do said we would enjoy the music of the spheres while Next Level Members:

from spaceweather.com on 11/23/2018:

MUSICAL” WAVES DETECTED IN EARTH’S MAGNETIC FIELD: This week in Norway, a space weather observatory detected sine waves of exceptional purity rippling through Earth’s polar magnetic field. The waves, which persisted for hours with nearly perfect pitch, have been linked to “tearing instabilities” and explosions in Earth’s magnetic tail–not to mention bright auroras in Arctic skies. Visit today’s edition of Spaceweather.com to see the waves and to learn more about them.

2) Ti and Do developed a movie script they said was fiction based on the truth that entailed Pluto being an “earth lab” inside and having a big “whitish” louvered door for spacecrafts to go in and out.

New Horizons spacecraft has documented that Pluto has a blueish atmosphere and has a large whitish spot on it’s “top” – could that be the “door” a type of a membrane door.

3) A spacecraft did come to pick them up. They felt Hale Bopp was the “marker” for that to come true.

4) Ti and Do said they would die and resurrect.

When the media hit they said for about 3 days they felt the “mission was dead” and there was no sense going on. (See 88Update). But they stood on their feet again to continue to have meetings and then after TI left DO stood up by himself (resurrection means “to stand up again”) as the one who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus and saying Ti was his “heavenly Father”.

An additional way this was true is demonstrated by Revelation chapter 11 as the two witnesses being first “subdued” (overcome) (1975 on the national news their vehicles reputations were shot down talking about them a thieves) and then they then “separated by dying themselves” (Greek “apokteino auto”). Their ascension (rising up) was invisible to humans but not to “those with eyes to see”, a common expression by Jesus referring to those who recognized “them” in some way.

5) They said they were not “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the vehicle taken over by an Older Member from the Next Level and taken through a metamorphosis to change into a new creature. They said Jesus would return as part of the 7th Closeness. (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). That closeness seems to have begun again, mostly as of 2017 with a final closeness yet to come but they said it was not to be a teaching time as that time has passed. For 20 years the Heaven’s Gate story diminished in the media. In fact during the 10 year anniversary there were only a few major media done on them. One was National Geographic’s – The Final Report; Heaven’s Gate.

For the next 10 years occasionally there would be a story that talked about them among the Luciferian space alien stimulated evil and abusive cults who did pressure people with controls and manipulations and murder and money mongering and blatant sexual “freedom” while Ti and Do’s group had none of that and actually a great deal of proof to the contrary.

For nearly 15 years my subscriptions to my youtube channel, 3spm grew maybe one every 6 months. Then 2017 hit when I also released my book and there were a few anniversary stories early on, like Inside Edition to where they continued the same mis/dis information campaign over again. After the anniversary I was approached by CNN/HLN to participate in a documentary. I asked the producer Alex Pressburg why they were covering the story – was it the anniversary – and he said no – it was because “it’s an interesting story”. That came out in the fall of 2017 alongside the 10 podcast series by Pineapple Street media via Stitcher I also interviewed for extensively on several occasions. The brought out new material – the letters Terrie received and the video Terrie received and with it accusations that TI was a hypocrite and that they were manipulative and controlling and that DO was insensitive to telling Terrie about Ti’s death but it became apparent that DO was following TI’s instructions (as I can show was true because DO had no reason to lie and because TI’s biggest concern on her deathbed according to DO and Lvvody and Jnnody who helped her in those last two weeks was DO’s carrying on without her. One huge aspect of DO’s carrying on was keeping the classroom hidden from any who wanted to find them and interfere with them. Hence DO didn’t tell Terrie right away because he knew that could stimulate an investigation that could land him in jail and/or split up the classroom.

There are 218 audio tapes that show how dedicated TI was to their classroom’s completion under DO. Plus TI had many opportunities to tell Terrie she was diagnosed with cancer in around 1983 while we lived in Texas and Terrie lived in Texas, but didn’t. Instead she just wrote letters – only one phone call in that time of years. Again because all that would do would be create more anxiety with Terrie and at that point especially the objective of letter contacts and subsequent visits in 1985 and 1986-7 was to “calm family anxieties”.
The claim was also made in the podcasts and by a number of other investigators that said DO became “a little psychotic” (said by x-student Frank (Andody) after Ti left but the evidence is that he continued with the classroom exactly as Ti had instigated as they were always looking for the way in which they were to leave the earth/human kingdom and how.
It’s easy to show that Ti and Do were willing to appear to be wrong to put students that were not in the classroom with all their hearts, souls, mind and strength. In other words they followed their instructions hence the establishment of a pick up by a spacecraft in 1980 or so didn’t happen but because it didn’t Jssody (joined with Alxody) left the group, while for those that had been fully committed it didn’t matter as they (I) were not banking on a spacecraft pickup to remain in the classroom. Some souls were simply further along in their overcoming of humanness process so they had many ways of filtering them out or helping them overcome their doubts.

Lots more to say about this that can be seen in my blog posts with Pineapple in the title. That’s at: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com

6) They said spirits existed and now I’ve seen them on a number of occasions where while in the classroom it made sense to me so I believed it but I hadn’t seen anything. One can see my descriptions of those events in my blog sawyerhg.wordpress.com in Sawyer’s Story.

7) They said there would be more interest in them after they left as it wasn’t designed by the Next Level to attract large numbers as there were only a certain amount of positions students who graduates would be given to fill.

8) They said they were from the same family as Jesus was from and was a type of repeat performance – teaching the same requirements of leaving all behind to qualify. They (DO by himself post 1985 when Ti left her vehicle) stuck to that from 1975 to 1997. It seems they began to examine exiting by our own hand (as Jesus did, since he stimulated his capture and said in the book of John, “no man takes it from me” speaking about his vehicles life. Jesus also talked about how his students needed to “drink the same cup of his blood” he was given to drink knowing they would be hated and killed the same way He was hated and killed. Ti and Do were mostly hated and some wanted them dead. I witnessed at the Waldport meeting a woman in the back shouting very loudly, “you ought to be shot” when they said children could not come, explaining that children couldn’t make a choice to leave the world they hadn’t hardly experienced.

If one compares all of the red letter parts of the 4 gospels – the words attributed to Jesus with Ti and Do’s teachings one will see they are exactly the same teachings. Thus if Jesus said it – forecast it then when Ti and Do put it in more accurate to modernity and generic terms they were showing proof they were the same Older Members returned as promised and that’s why most who call themselves Christians often don’t know they are not believers in what Jesus taught, except for a few things, but according to Jesus to be his disciple one needed to abide by all he taught, not just pick and choose.

My book: “TI and Do The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses” provides a great deal of the evidence of how what they said as the Father and Jesus came true or is about to come true through everything Ti and Do taught and did and said would happen at the conclusion of the civilization.

9) Ti and Do said that when they left, the human kingdom would be accelerated towards recycling and that would be a further testing ground for each human. If one looks at events that have escalated in the US since the late 1990’s (the time of the Seven Thunders of Rev 10) one will see a dramatic increase in more animalistic human behaviors as each human is forced to become what they are, what they had been entertaining in their heads mostly until then but now don’t have the self control to not play out. Hence mass shootings, more earthquakes that are larger and larger, tsunami’s, volcanic eruptions, larger hurricane’s, while humans try to take responsibility for these because the Luciferians hate for people to think the Next Level exists and are behind their escalation.

10) The Hale Bopp comet was the “marker” for their exit. In other words whether there was a companion with it or not didn’t’ matter. They knew it was the event of a spacecraft picking them up they had been waiting for since 1975. NASA astronomers stated in their annual Hale Bopp symposiums after 1997 that they believed Hale Bopp was made up of TWO objects in orbit around a common center. This can also be shown to be the “sign” Jesus described as “lightning (star like – shining/strewn from east to west (along the ecliptic).
11) Ti and Do said in 1975 that spacecrafts can be all kinds of sizes and shapes and colors. Through all the many NASA and ESA and other astronomical institutions it’s been learned that comets were not “dirty snowballs”. None of them so far are round. They look like a bowling pin sometimes and have jets that seem to stimulate their rotation and propulsion.

Ultima Thule was described as reddish and looks like a snowman made up from two clearly distinct objects appearing to be fused together with some kind of “light” attachment method – docking?

No Real Comparison of Jonestown suicides with Heaven’s Gate

October 27, 2017

At the end is the link to an article that compared Jonestown to Heaven’s Gate that I show really has little to no genuine equivalent comparison other than both their groups membership physically dying by ingesting drugs under the leadership of one leader. Based on that one could equate the president of a country as a dangerous cult leader who stimulates their soldiers to give their lives which I know to many seems preposterous to compare but is it really?

On the surface these two groups can be barely compared and I don’t doubt that from a membership prospective there were some tiny likenesses but other than that there is no comparison except in the use of poison to end their vehicles lives.

To follow are  some of the many huge differences that reveal this comparison as a typical Luciferian Soul “facsimile” production of what Ti and Do were doing. And it’s interesting how some of those who initially joined with Ti and Do in 1975, from the first meeting in North Hollywood around April 21st thought that they (Ti and Do) were promoting suicide both literally and figuratively which was not the case literally then, even if one did define suicide by it’s human definition as self stimulated death of one’s body. Figuratively speaking Ti and Do’s group were more realistically ending their human lifestyle entirely where in the Jones camp humanness was not changed at all really according to the evidence. Some of what I’m saying about the fear of suicide came from Joan Culpepper (more of an infiltrator into the group than a follower as she stated). Plus there was a relative of a student who testified her fear of their committing suicide in 1975 (about three years before the Jonestown event) that was documented in the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary.” Here are some snippets of that book on this blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

So here are the key differences that are major in the Jonestown People Temples group that there was not even a shade of indicator of in the Heaven’s Gate group:

1. Children were forced to drink the poison cocktail. One can see and hear it in the video with Jones preaching to do it while people are crying. Ti and Do didn’t allow children in their group.

2. If only one person disagreed and was forced to ingest the poison cocktail the entire idea could not be compared with Heaven’s Gate group. This was evidenced in the Jonestown story by video testimony and survivors. Some people who fled that last meeting were hunted down by gunmen. People were held at gunpoint to ingest the poison according to the records. In the Heaven’s Gate group people were challenged to leave throughout and 19 of the initial 100 members in 1976 were separated from the larger group and Ti and Do said they didn’t make the “first cut” on who they thought could accomplish the task of overcoming all their humanness.

3. Murder of the congressman at the airport as they attempted to leave was also a huge indicator of how different Jonestown was from Heaven’s Gate. The records indicate that Jim Jones was stimulated to take this action to escape prosecution when he learned that some in his group had passed notes to the congressman saying that they wanted to get out.

4. The People’s temple was a human social and political group. Heaven’s Gate was not social nor political. Spirituality seemed to be mostly absent from the documentaries I watched but if it was a big part was not any different from other spiritual and/or religious groups that had political and community support before they moved to Guyana. Heaven’s Gate wasn’t religious or spiritual in that context. The only reason they are considered religious is because it is through the man made worldly religions that the records of the Next Level’s incarnate activity was passed on and because the nature of the information was about Mind – “the character of the soul” as DO once defined Mind, that he taught was synonymous with the word, “spirit”.

5. Members of the People’s Temple did not leave everything behind to join with Jones – mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, houses, etc. (as Jesus taught some of his disciples had done (i.e. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. ) and that all Ti and Do’s students were instructed to do (though there was no way to verify that any one student had done but it was talked about as having an “ace in the hole” for those that didn’t. However I read one report that indicated Ti and Do turned away at least one person who was considering joining with them. She had children and it was reported that Ti and Do said she shouldn’t follow with them at that time and that perhaps she might follow later (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary)).

Jones and his group were a human organization with human family values and human behaviors that they took with them to Guyana, including relationships among members and sexuality and punishments for non-compliance. Ti and Do’s group members did not continue human relationships with anyone back in the world nor with one another when some joined who had such a relationship. (I was one of those who joined with my former partner I had lived with for 5 years and for the first ten years had zero communication with my vehicle’s family back in New York. The only relationships Ti and Do’s student had were as fellow crew members. There was no chit chatting or gossip or shooting the breeze or having best friends or confidants or “familiarity” among certain members (though we still enjoyed one anthers camaraderie and companionship and friendship and personalities and helpfulness (within the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught that are most synopsized in the lists referred to as the “Seventeen Steps” and the “Major and Lessor Offenses” – that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book and posted on the Heavensgate.com web site and posted on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-major-and-lessor-offense-list/

6. The idea that the Jonestown people were forming a utopia on earth was totally absent with the Heaven’s Gate group. According to Ti and Do’s teachings there was no “heaven on earth” in that way, at least not during the current civilization. They did say in the future, if humans showed the Next Level that they had evolved to be civilized – like not choosing to shoot at beings from other worlds, for example then the earth could be made into a Next Level Base aka a Heavenly Body where Members of the Next Level could be seen coming and going but still would not live among humans. They talked about how there were other planets where human equivalent beings were growing in ways totally unlike in the earth’s human kingdom because humans were somewhat unique because of the presence of the Luciferian space alien fallen angels they permitted to become catalysts for the growth of souls. There could be another planet but it would only be equivalent to earth if some human equivalent to Luciferians were also present but they mostly felt there wasn’t another such earth/human equivalent planet. (Some of this can be seen talked about in the Blackhawk tapes and a little in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). For the Blackhawk tapes one can search my Youtube channel named: 3SPM for “Blackhawk” and find three posts of those audios made into videos.

With Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate group the idea from the start was that we were all going to exit the earth, always potentially with our bodies but certainly as Souls for those who qualified. I doubt there were any qualifications to join with Jim Jones (but I could be wrong about that, but if there were I’d bet they were human qualification characteristics (humanitarianism) verses Above Human characteristic qualifications), many of which are in the records that came through a number of what became religions.

7. There were no abuses in Ti and Do’s group. There were never any sexual misconduct that I witnessed and none that were reported by the hundreds of followers over the years who dropped out. There was no punishment for not living by the “procedures” (rules) except for being sent out of the group. Some were sent out of the group and a number of those returned in unusual ways as there were only two “recruitment” periods from 1975 to 1976 and from 1993 (via media) and for about 9 months face to face in meetings around the US and Canada in 1994 and then via internet media by the presence of the Heaven’s Gate web site and postings to Usenet groups that one person joined from and was among the 38 who layed down their lives.

(By the way, “recruitment” was nothing like many groups I’ve both read about and experienced, like the Moonies for instance. We never stood on corners to sell flowers or anything else with the hope of drawing people to our meetings with an offer of food and then once there those who came would learn they needed to sit through their presentation before they’d be fed. It’s sort of the model of the Salvation Army. The entire “recruitment” effort was simply putting up posters on storefronts and bulletin boards in New age centers and health food stores and on telephone poles around the town where we planned a public meeting. Sometimes we got some free press and/or radio and/or TV coverage. People would come to the meeting and listen for a short time and take some questions and then were told if anyone wanted more information to stay after in which case sometimes even some who though they might want to join us were faced with details that dissuaded them. Nothing was ever hidden and there were not carrots put before a person’s eyes, so to speak. However, one might think the idea that they were joining with true Representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven could be a carrot but Ti and Do and their Students didn’t need to have more members so had no interest in cajoling anyone.)

8. Plus the way DO and crew laid down their lives was never rehearsed as it was with the Jonestown group. In the Jonestown group they had a number of rehearsals but the members of the community weren’t told they were rehearsals according to one or more survivor reports. People drank the drink that they were told had poison in it and nothing happened to them, so that became a conditioning to the act. DO did ask on several or more occasions each member of the group if they had any reservations about taking their exit into their own hands by drinking the phenobarbital mixture. One such time was when I was still in the group in September of 1994 that included over a dozen new (or returning) members. From that person by person question one new student said they had reservations and left the group the next day. Another who was a former member named Arrody left shortly after that for the same reason I read reported. One can think that too was conditioning but if anything the conditioning was to filter out those who weren’t clearly in favor of taking the action, the same kind of filtering that had occurred by many examples over the 19 years I witnessed that can be seen in this blog post:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/

I’m not proposing that the Jonestown event as a Luciferian facsimile attempt to discredit Ti and Do’s authenticity meant that the people in the Jonestown event were necessarily casualties or their their souls and/or Spirits were not kept by the Next Level because of their willingness to sacrifice their human lives in this world. I don’t say that without evidence from DO. For instance, after watching the murder of the David Koresh group, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas I recall DO saying that he wondered if his students would stick to their convictions the way they did, though not condoning those who used violence. To me that meant that some of those could have been seen by the Next Level as doing the best they could do. The point is, even if someone is murdered or kills themselves we don’t know how that Soul or Spirit will be judged by the Next Level. That judgement starts with the way each of us believe and act while living. We judge ourselves and then when it’s all done the Next Level salvages those they deem to still have the capacity to advance towards Next Level membership in a future opportunity. Like DO said as the 3rd Type of individual who would be “saved” from the recycling, they might have never heard of Ti and Do but separated from their worldliness in their own way. Do can be seen speaking of this in his video, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled” a video that was transcribed and found on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/

Here is the article that stimulated this blog post response:

Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate were supposed to be utopias. How did it go so wrong?
When a dream becomes dystopia. By Amos Barshad
https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/26/jonestown-and-heavens-gate-were-supposed-to-be-utopias-how-did-it-go-so-wrong

 

Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

October 20, 2017

Below is the access information for the Pineapple Street Podcast Series Heaven’s Gate and followed by Sawyers comments to each episode:

Pineapple Press Podcast Series – Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate
twitter: @heavensgateshow
facebook /heavensgateshow

Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts. I am calling them both “tests” and a type of filter. Because they were tests, even though they weren’t always presented that way, if someone was “on the fence” with their full commitment, they served to face us with getting off that fence, one way or the other, leave the classroom or stay on and become stronger for doing so.

(By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them was part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions).

I’m starting from when the self stimulated exit was first brought up directly as there were times before that, when it surfaced indirectly that I’ll add later:

1) In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting, for me, as an overseer of one of the groups, was near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which is when the idea of self exiting our vehicles was first introduced. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to a very short distance away. I remember feeling exhausted and wondering why, but didn’t let that thought linger. I wasn’t conscious that I was responding negatively to what they were providing. It’s only looking back and recalling it that I remember that negative response. None the less, it was a minor negativity for me and I said nothing and I didn’t think poorly about Ti and Do or question being with them at all. It was mostly because I didn’t want to do the work of moving the tents again. So I don’t really count this as one of the tests in the list because it was small a test, yet who knows how others felt.

2) The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level – “eyes to see, ears to hear”. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point, indicated by his saying “almost without exception”:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

re: what Ti and Do always described as “body changes” is shown possible by Jesus’ example of healing and demonstrating his new body that came from the old one. Christians refer to Jesus body after he healed his body from it’s dead state as having a “glorified body.” Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke adds a key piece not found in either Matthew or Mark’s account, showing that these two “men” as Luke referred to Elias and Moses were delivering a message at least one of them understood. In other words this was when Jesus was given instructions to “lay his body down” of his own volition which could be equated with a type of suicide as he knew well the Jewish leadership hated him and had tried a number of times to stone him and were shown later to have conspired for a way to capture him and have the Romans kill him. While addressing this, here is where Jesus directly says he was going to die on his Father’s instruction and that the humans were not taking his life from him. He was laying it down as the show of the greatest love one could show another, in this case his students, the sheep given to him by his Father to shepherd?

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Continuing on with when he received that instruction while on the Transfiguration mount:

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today for some has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

3) How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

4) In about 1977, Ti and Do held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”.

TI told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

I already thought that’s what I was doing but I’d bet to some who were on the fence of being in this group it could have been a shocker.

5) The test TI said to DO felt like she “had egg on her face” because of – the planned exit via a spacecraft that didn’t happen

Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. I wasn’t privy to how that happened. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

6) Ti and Do gave us instructions to think about what we might want in the world.

Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom and compared it to being in a snake pit. The “process” instruction they’d given us from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that.

However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

7) The first of two weekend long optional visits to our human families

Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had “anxiety” about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

8) The second  optional weekend long visit to our human families

I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

9) Mrcody (known now as Mark, one of the two Heaven’s Gate webmasters) and Srfody (known now as Sara, the other Webmaster are instructed by Do through each of their students to leave the classroom until such time as they are ready to accept all the lesson steps

In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to instill the recognition that what our Older Members say is what we must rise up to recognize. Thus is was also a way of helping deflate our self confidence and instead put all our confidence in our Older Members.

It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by.

The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

10) In about 1987 DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated and asked some if they had a reservation with taking that act.

At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. A day or so later, DO then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

11) DO offers any classmember $2000.00 to leave

It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

Upvoted.com interview with heavensgate.com webmasters and sawyers claims of misinformation

October 30, 2015

Here is a link to an interview the Heavensgate.com webmasters I’m calling M and S gave to upvoted.com. Following the link I included my responses. Those responses should be on the web site as well. In my responses I say certain things M and S said or didn’t say were misleading. I am not implying they intended to mislead, but that sort of thing can I believe begin to slip in, so I hope if they read this they can take it as what might hopefully be helpful criticism and I am open to hearing any criticisms of what I say from them or anyone for that matter and I will see if the “shoe fits”.

An Interview With the Heaven’s Gate Webmaster: Meet Telah, 61

Part One of three of response to M and S interview:

Thank you to the writer and editor for sticking to the facts that have been increasingly distorted as we speak. However, as to the answers to your questions I would like to provide you with my version as I joined Ti and Do from the same meeting in Waldport, Oregon as the ones you interviewed in September of 1975 and was in Ti and Do’s classroom with them until they were told to leave the classroom in 1987 and can be seen in my youth in 3 of the “Beyond Human – The Last Call” video tapes Do had us make in 1992 and was aware of some of the communications with these two in 1993-4 that included offering them a return to the class option if they were willing to abide by the lesson step entitled, “I could be wrong” that they didn’t want to abide by and became the reason they were told to leave. Then I was assigned to be an overseer with my partner of one of the four groups we broke into to bring Ti and Do’s information to the public in a face to face way, for the second time in 19 years throughout the U.S. that began on 01/01/94 and ended in September of that same year which is when all those who were still committed members to include new members were informed by Do that “we might have to exit our vehicle by our own hand”.

We got back to California from where we ended up in Massachusetts and Do told us about the plan to drink a drug mixture to exit our vehicles and went one by one around the room of about 40 something students asking each if they had any reservations. Some did and left the next day or two after that, still in September of 1994. I had no reservations but I was not the person I had been for 18 years before that. It’s a long story that I have made public on my blog http://www.sawyerhg.wordpress.com and my youtube channel: 3spm and other places, but the way I fell was by starting to masturbate, not having even thought about it before that, which was a response to having the ego to ask Ti who was outside her vehicle, but who Do told us we could talk to directly, for a more difficult task like Do had. In other words, she took me for what I asked for and sent me a “booger” (we called our assigned advasaries (satans meaning)) a bigger one than I had been assigned, one that perhaps Do dealt with that I seemed to have no power to resist or even want to resist or even to ask help to resist. Here I had been an overseer in many assignments over the years and then of a group and I was a primary speaker at the 1994 meetings in about a dozen big cities in the U.S., did radio, TV and print media interviews at that time while breaking the biggest rules in the group that were grounds to be asked or told to leave – that of giving into sensuality and then the second biggest reason to be asked or told to leave the group – that of hiding it – being deceitful by not surfacing my “major slippage” (what in the archaic terms would be a sin). Some of my fellow students looked upon me as a good example of Next Level behaviors and ways.

I was often assigned by Do to be a helper to others who were having various difficulties in their conquering of the influences that they needed to gain strength of mind by working against giving into. Do saw my separateness a week or so after I began to fall and asked me what was going on and I spilled my gut to him and he asked me what I wanted to do and I said, I need to expose it to the group which I did and Do said sometimes failure is the hardest lesson to rise above. So I was taken off of the overseer task but then a week or two later Do asked me to perform another overseer task and I told him I couldn’t as I’d be a hypocrite, so he asked me what I wanted to do and I said, “I guess I have to leave”. He replied, “you want to get more objective.” He had me pass the phone to another student and he told her I was leaving and told her to tell the others not to try to talk me out of it because I knew what I was doing. Later Do asked me where I wanted to go and I said I was thinking of taking a bicycle and riding it east. He suggested going to stay with these two in this interview and had the pursers give me $600.00 cash and bought me a plane ticket to Arizona. I was actually relieved to leave, not because there was any abuses or things I wanted to do that I couldn’t do in the group. I had no desires to do anything else. I just wasn’t face with my own hypocrisy.

It took me ten years to know why I left as I’ve stated and in retrospect I see so many signs of how I though of myself as special, stemming from being a youngster and seeing all those Jesus movies that depicted him as a hero. I wanted to be that hero yet I didn’t have a clue what that kind of hero would encounter and how they would never think of themselves in that way. It was a human egotistical way of seeking to be an elevated being others would look up to. I still see that influence with me at times but his characteristics are quite apparent though it’s easy for that Luciferian space alien fallen angel mind to creep in and especially when one has begun a relationship with the same living beings who are the chief administrators of garden earth and who I can offer proof of to anyone who dares to look into, but that is not important to me for anyone else to see value in because I was given another chance after they left to conquer my boogers.

Now I can pick apart a lot of what these two said but three points stand out in addition to not talking about why they were left behind. One is calling oneself by the name of Telah, when it’s clear that abbreviation means, “The Evolutionary Level Above Human”. That would be equivilent to taking the name, “Kingdom of God” or Kingdom of Heaven”, which really more accurately would be translated to “Kingdom of Deities” at the least and “Kingdom in the literal heavens (sky to outerspace elevated areas)”. How can one or two people have one name that represents a Kingdom of Older Members that includes the Chief of Chiefs, the Oldest Member of the Next Level? When I saw that it blew me away, not because it’s a name but because that seems to me to be the same booger who overcame me and my vehicle with myself, the reason he fell away and after being given many opportunities to change went more and more against his Older Members to where he became imprisoned on earth, though useful as a catalyst to challenge upcoming graduates.

Obscurity can have it’s place to try to protect us from those that might do us harm when we have done nothing wrong against the Creators of our world, the Next Level Older Members. But why not be straight forward and say, “my name is “M” and my partners name is “S” for instance or whatever names they choose. Both of them are 61 and one is male and the other is female. When someone like us is doing anything public taking names we weren’t born with is a good thing that Ti and Do taught us, because we don’t want to be interfered with and we don’t want our vehicles families to be adversely affected by our choices when we know there will be some who will hate us.

Then to say “There is no heaven or hell, only an endless cycle of reincarnation” is totally against what Ti and Do taught and anyone can easily prove it by many things Ti and Do and Crew said that you can find posted on heavensgate.com. This is the slant that booger or the equivilent booger puts on the truth to present a facsimile, because Luci for instance, according to Ti and Do resents the Next Level for imprisoning him on earth and will do anything he can do to strike back at the Next Level and plus he needs “souls” and compatible vehicles to his thinking to be his associates.

Part Two of three of response to M and S interview:

Do said the earth is going to be spaded, recycled. He said the earth itself is still a good planet but that the current civilization have become infested by the weeds, what Jesus called “tares” that are actually taking one another out as we speak, the reason we will see more and more corruption and killing in the U.S. from within, because the Heaven’s Gate graduates have exited, so the environment is no longer protected for their sakes and they also turn up the heat, the truth that forces each of us to become exactly what we are. If we thought nasty thoughts – thoughts about doing harm to others, now they can hardly contain themselves to act those thoughts out. And the alchemist meds many are addicted to compound the issues.

No heaven? That sounds like John Lennon, “imagine there’s no heaven, easy if you try” – well I know a friend of a channeler of John Lennon and she says he says the same things now. That’s because the mindset we die with we continue to act out and bring as an influence to others. Now of course we should be civilized enough to not kill one another, to have peace in the way we treat one another. That is the way of the Next Level members to be kind and considerate but that is a toddler lesson step – “thou shall not kill”. Jesus updated that to “turn the other cheek” so that was great that Mahatma Ghandi did and Martin Luther King did and others. But the overall task was to “love the lord god with all your heart all your mind, all your soul and all your strength” that these other lesson steps would lead up to. Saying there is no heaven is like saying, “imagine there’s no planets, no sun above us, above us only nothingness”. The reason turning the other cheek is a lesson step because when one loses their vehicle adhering to a Next Level lesson step as that, means They take that Mind/Spirit into one of their spacecrafts and give it a new task and even a new vehicle because it is the “Mind/Spirit” that is what the garden produces for the Next Level. They don’t need us but it’s their joy to offer what they know they have that is very, very real but it’s a place of work that’s a hoot to be a part of.

No Hell? Hell as it’s used in Revelations 6:8, a huge verse to understand among current events comes from the greek “hades” which is also seen as the equivilent to Pluto. Hell in it’s figurative definition is a place of no return having no longer the potential to become a member of the Next Level. Hades is the Greek god of the under world – It was interesting when the New Horizons spacecraft flew by Pluto this past July and took pictures that showed Pluto to be very much like earth minus the oceans. It has a blue atmosphere, geysers, red ice mountains, deep caverns, a huge white smooth spot and 4 rectangular shaped 200 mile wide black spots that are equidistantly spaced from one another so they look like 4 black piano keys. This is most intersting in light of the movie script Ti and Do directed in 1982 that they said was “fiction based on the truth” where Pluto was a spacecraft that inside it had a scale living model of the earth with observatins decks and stationary spacecrafts at each of four corners. (The four winds?) And they said on it’s north pole that by the way would face away from us as Pluto is on it’s side, there was a huge circular louvered door that would open and close to allow spacecrafts to come and go from. I don’t know if the implication comes across.

And speaking of that Rev 6:8 verse where there is a “green horse” depicted, green actually comes from the greek chloros like chlorine the green powder that kills bacteria (weeds) and represents “harvest green” and the Dawn spacecraft is actually as we speak I believe still orbiting dwarf planet Ceres, named after the roman goddess of the harvest who is the same greek goddess Demeter. I say Do was the Rev 6:2 one sitting on his white horse, the vehicle he made pure but also is seen as white skinned while that was followed by G.W. Bush as red horse a Luciferian space alien is sitting on that brings endless war and that was followed by the black horse Obama a Luciferian was sitting on whose task was to try to ride herd the two beasts (the U.S. and the E.U.) involving the financial crisis that involved the stock market’s commodities prices of “wheat and barley” with lots to say about all this leading up to the next US beast president who will in many ways be GREEN.

I’ve got no beef with M and S actually. We learned to deal with criticism – to wear the shoe if we examine it and it fits. If it doesn’t fit, don’t wear it.

There is no group anymore, like M and S said and suicide never was a solution. In fact one of the classmembers wrote a paper saying that killing one’s vehicle to escape difficult lessons is the real waste as we need our vehicles to learn our lessons. The human kingdom was created as a stepping stone into the Next Level. Suicide is separating ourselves from the Next Level creators of it all because then we won’t be given further opportunities to live both in a human vehicle at the next classroom with an incarnate Older Member which will not then become the opportunity to graduate into the Level Above Human where real life really begins because we are then no longer temporary plant lifeforms. But the formula to please the Older Member which is like pleasing one’s professor, is to “give our life”. How, when and where is up to us but a huge step in that direction in this life is to choose to put yourself in the Next Levels hands, asking to become one of their upcoming students and trusting they will help us separate from our humanness in a way we can handle. There is no pie in the sky. We need to show them we mean business by working for them. That work at this time is to “stand for Ti and Do”, study and believe in all they said and did. We are not going to necessarily understand everything but it will come in time. Events will be helping us towards this kind of choice of who to make our master. We are all going to lose our vehicles eventually. It’s a matter of whose service we are in when we lose our vehicle. Since you all have heard about Ti and Do you are on the spot but each is judged according to what they were given whether they heard about Ti and Do or not.

May Ti and Do’s force be with you all, but you’ve got to ask them for it if you want it.

Part Three of three of response to M and S interview:

This is also a misleading thing to say, “In the mid-’90s, we served as their communication center, which we still do today.” Maybe it’s the way I read it as implying they receive current communication from Ti and Do and Crew and then distribute that to others, which is not the case. They have the task to maintain the web site and respond to queries but anyone who distributes Ti and Do’s information is also then a communication “center”. One should ask them if they are the communication center how come after all these years they don’t provide the hundreds of audio meeting tapes Ti and Do made for the student body from 1982 to 1997. We actually do have about 218 of these but it was against their will that we have them, a long story I don’t care to get into. I have most of the communications they received a short time before the group left because they didn’t want the task at first so turned it over to another dropout believer named rkkody who later layed down his life but not before he made digital copies of 200 or so of the tapes and sent them to people, me included.

Saying 8 were “left behind” is misleading too. All who didn’t leave were dropouts. We left the group. They didn’t leave us until it was clear we didn’t want to be with them. There were zero left behind to carry out tasks but it’s the Next Level way to take advantage of those that still want to serve, even if they can’t make the grade of being in the classroom. We are seeing how the truth becomes distorted in seemingly little ways to where even those who are doing the distortion don’t recognize it necessarily or ignore or think it’s not important to be real wordy about.

I don’t know where the number 8 and 4 came from. But where does the number start and stop. There were about 100 who were students in 1976 when meetings were called to a hault by Ti saying “the harvest is closed”. Ti and Do sent 19 of those out of the group saying they weren’t ready telling the remaining group they “made the first cut”. By 1978 there were no more than 60 original “odys”. That name extension represented those who Ti and Do said were “adopted”. By 1993 that number was down to 24, I suspect mostly representing the prophecy of the 24 elders. Then some who had left were given the option to return and it rose to around 32 that didn’t include M and S. A few more rejoined in 1994 and maybe a dozen new members joined in 1994 but then I fell away as did a few other rejoiners and some of the new ones left to end up with the 38. So I would guess at about 70 total who took a stab at graduating which is interesting in the fact that Jesus had 70 to 82 to 90 something students, counting some of the female disciples we know about.

When M and So were asked, “Where are your directives coming from? Were they left behind for you by leadership prior to their journey?” and they said, “From the Next Level. They left very specific instructions.” that to me is also misleading. Why not say, most of the communications were from Do’s “helpers” that included Lvvody, Jnnody, Lggody and Jwnody and perhaps others like Sngody and Evnody or to keep it short by “Do’s crew of students”. That’s like a politician being asked who voted on the bill and they say, “congress”. I know M told me Do also talked to them but I know the letters that were their primary communication were signed by “helpers” or “pursers” if I recall correctly.

When M and So were asked, “What’s the next step for you? For Heaven’s Gate?” and they answered, “We are to take care of this task. We don’t know when we will rejoin them.” may be assuming a lot. I don’t know if any of the dropouts have it made. Do spoke about “three types of people who would go with them” when the rest are recycled. Primary that included those who had sufficiently completed their metamorphosis (overcoming of humanness) as he referred to the 38 as qualifying. The second type were those who began their metamorphosis but didn’t have the strength to sufficiently complete it to receive significant Next Level service so would have to return to the human kingdom after the recycling to finish. The third group are those who never hear about Ti and Do but are separating from the world in their own way. It seems apparent that we who dropped out who still believe would have to be included in the second type but whether we are satisfactorily “separating from our humanness” and making “significant changes” as Do said as well and “standing for Ti and Do and accepting the consequences” another description of all the types relative to what they were given as Jesus also said was the criteria is frankly not for us to know. After all just like we see in Christianity and Jesus talked about, many will say, “Lord Lord, we prophecy in your name….” but he said he doesn’t know them. Saying the words is a small part and can even morph to “taking the name of the lord in vain”.

When M and S said, “They periodically come down to this planet to check in on this civilizations development.” – Sure that’s true but “check development” is one heck of a lackadaisical image. They are consciously working like crazy doing all things that it takes to bring a group of souls to graduation. Nothing happens by itself when it comes to some souls choosing to grow towards graduation. They are intricately involved with “tagging” human vehicles they plan to “take over” for their task. Before that they work on the human kingdom to produce vehicles that can be a “match” for returning Souls to take over. They work with all levels of life. Ti and Do said it was move up time for all levels of life.

On the question; “I found the statement against suicide on the website fascinating. Why did Heaven’s Gate decide to put this statement out there?”

They knew suicide was what many or even most humans would call what they did, but they knew that really wasn’t accurate in their case but it goes to understanding what LIFE really is – all from the perspective of the Creators in the Level Above Human, which is apparent in the way Jesus also defined life as being (existing) in his Older Members Kingdom, in that record contextually, with and in service to his “Father (Older Member) in the literal heavens (outer space dwelling places)”. Thus death is the opposite – not being in the literal Kingdom in the heavens with one’s Older Members.

Of course if one doesn’t believe in any of this then none of this makes sense. But Ti and Do and Crew of students believed in it 100% and most of the students had been with Ti and Do since 1975 when they were ready to give their life then because they felt like they recognized the truth of what Ti and Do said.

Ti and Do considered every way they might return and every way their students might go to the Next Level, thinking of it in a number of ways, at first thinking they and their students would go back with their human physical bodies.

Even in their last days in those bodies they tried to be prepared for Ti (who was already outside her human body since 1985) to take them with their physical bodies if that was her choice. That’s why they packed a small travel bag with a change of clothes and had their passports and a little money – $5.75 – the amount that came from what Samuel Clemmons writing as Mark Twain said was the fare to ride the tail of Halley’s comet to heaven. He wrote that and produced a short movie that Edison actually filmed called “Captain Stormfields trip to heaven”. We also always had a procedure when leaving our “craft” (what we called the house we lived in) to take $5.00 in case of emergency for a phone call for instance. That’s what I told some reporters the $5.75 probably was which I later learned was wrong.

The companion that was filmed by the Hawaii and a Japanese observatory proven to not be a star in the background of the pic of Hale Bopp wasn’t the reason they chose to exit at that time as I believe your article stated. They even said this on the heaven’s gate web site. They said that the comet was the sign or marker they had been waiting for that told them when to exit.

By that time they had determined that humans against them were not going to do them in the way humans did to Jesus and his disciples.  They also had examined buying a boat and going into the sea to see if the Next Level would pick them up following seeing the cocoon movie and at that time considered exiting by sinking the boat if we weren’t picked up but Do nixed that idea though he did buy a boat we had docked in the Houston area for a while.

In 1989 or so Do instigated a fast on air. We were living outdoors at that time again in the Arizona desert just west of Phoenix. We had a bunch of trailers and two rows of tents that were all connected to one another to make two corridors. We had generators for lights and had two large satellite dishes and were watching all the news we could get from feeds and the evangelicals as we had been considering going public again as “who we are” as the return of the Father, Jesus and his students as promised. But Do wasn’t sure about doing another public mission so off into the desert we went and after one day on air Do changed the fast to add water. 12 days later Do stopped the fast.  I had been ready to curl up in bed and die then, though I learned that some weren’t thinking that was part of what we might do.

So we moved closer to Yuma with our camp and Do felt like we were to wait for a pickup, which was the second time we’d scheduled a specific day for pickup the first scheduled by Ti in about 1980. At that time, the pickup didn’t happen and Ti told Do she felt like she had “egg on her face”, but it didn’t change anything and interestingly some left after that as it had been 5 years since the group formed. In 1975 some students pressured Ti and Do for how long before they would leave. They always thought in terms of “months”. Reluctantly Ti said, “no more than 5 years” which she later regretted saying. But it didn’t phase their core students that there was no pickup and there was no pickup when Do scheduled it either and that didn’t phase the core students either.

Do also paid people to leave the class if they were only staying because it was more comfortable than trying to survive in what Ti called the “real world”. They knew they were creating a type of experimental world for us.

Before that there were two times that Ti and Do encouraged all of us to pay a visit to anyone in the world who had anxiety about us still as we had learned about a network of parents and siblings of our vehicles looking for us to include private investigators.

Most all of us flew somewhere in the U.S. for a weekend with our vehicle’s family. From that, one decided he wanted to leave the group. He returned and spoke with Do about it and I was assigned to partner with him and I don’t recall having much to report to Do. It wasn’t like I was a spy but if something occurred to me to talk about Do wanted to know about it.

So when we had no problems from humans who heard and saw us in our 1994 public meeting/media schedule all over the U.S. no matter how boldly we made the posters to say, it was the same one who was in the vehicle Jesus returned, Do felt like the only option remaining was to self exit as he couldn’t imagine waiting for each member to grow old and die to exit that way.

At one point in about 1990 Do contracted rocky mountain spotted fever and told some of us who visited him he knew that he could leave his vehicle then and that he asked Ti (who was outside her vehicle then) but Do knew was at times very close to him and at other times not so close, (however she might have accomplished that). He said, Ti said he could exit if he wanted to. But Do felt like he couldn’t abandon his task with the students.

A couple years before that he said to the students, “what if I’m not from the Next Level but am a well intended human? Would you all still want to be with me?”. I couldn’t imagine it. Some of the other students were quick to say it didn’t matter to them. I don’t think I knew what to think about it but it didn’t phase me to entertain the question.

In 1993 when the 90 men women and children of the Branch Davidians were murdered by the ATF/FBI I was sitting in Do’s craft with lvvody and jnnody and srrody (my partner at the time) and watching the story live on television. Do and all of us were shocked by it. Do later wondered aloud whether his students would be so dedicated to die for what they believed in, though he didn’t agree with David Koresh at all. It also made him consider if we might exit by provoking the government by having a gun. That was a test to hear but it made me wonder how dedicated was I. I put it on the back burner until it became a reality. I didn’t have a problem with it as I knew we wouldn’t actually try to harm anyone.

In 1996 they were building an earthship house (out of tires) on a property they bought southeast of Albuquerque and they had at least one rifle that strody (then a grey haired woman in her 60’s) did some target shooting of as they were still wondering if they might exit in that way.

They left that gun in storage.

Then in 1995 Rio reported that they were near Tucson and one night 3 students saw two small 4 ft tall looking white beings in the craft. They each saw these two from a different angle. Three other students including Rio felt they dreamed about these two beings in the craft. One report was they were standing by one students bunk where they were sleeping and felt they were helping her. That next morning Do and the overseers were all really smiling a lot and Do felt it was the visit he was hoping the students would raise their vibrations to be able to see.

I equate that with Jesus being visited by two beings of that similar description where three students saw them. That was called the “transfiguration”. Ti and Do felt that was when Jesus had completed changing over his body into a next level body inside.

Ti said early on that you don’t have to die to go to the Next Level. In that context “die” referred to exiting one’s human vehicle, but one does have to “change over” into a Member of the Next Level to go without dropping the vehicle as evidenced in the records by Enoch, Moses and Elijah and in a different context Jesus as his vehicle was healed from it’s dead condition and then he demonstrated taking that same body that was still physical but had new functions into the spacecraft cloaked by the clouds. He said, “I am not a spirit… a spirit doesn’t have flesh and bones”. He ate with them. He let them touch his body and see the remnant of the wounds. And yet he could change his vibrations so that he was invisible to them which one can imagine being like a chameleon against the invisible but very real atmosphere of our  human environment.

Ti and Do initially taught and this never changed, that the human condition was like a caterpillar world and how a caterpillar had the capacity in it to build itself a cocoon to then put all it’s energy into the chrysalis condition which is equivilent to a human being separated from their human world as Jesus and Ti and Do’s students were required to do to be students which meant leaving all that constituted their life at that time – their family, house, career goals, even likes and dislikes to put all their energy into the “process” that was actually the “christing” process as a Christ was someone who “overcame the human world”. If you actually break it down it is an “anointed one” where anointing was the process of “pressing” the oil from the olive. Thus the olive is the human vehicle and the press is putting pressure to extract Next Level Mind through it’s usage. Mind is synonymous with “spirit”. The Next Level literally starts this process by giving select humans (many of them) what is actually a seed called a soul. Do called it a “pocket” or a “container” that wasn’t just a container. It was a smart container in that in had with it a set of programs that provided an interface to other Next Level Members. There are different forms of this container, aka a “chip” as in computer chip. Do said to envision this “soul” one would see the human body as a glass vase that had one balloon extending out of it from the top of the vase that was the container for human mind. When a human is given a “soul container” the vase has a second balloon extending out of it. The second container can only contain Next Level quality Mind. I am only remembering now how Ti used to often say about mixing Next Level and human behaviors and ways as “Oil and water don’t mix”. That is interesting because Jesus compared Water with the human being saying to his students they needed to be “born again of water” in order to be born of spirit/mind that we also know was related to oil.

I suspect Do took seeing those two beings in the craft as confirmation that his plan of exit was approved. I don’t know that and have nothing more to go on so could be wrong about that.

Do told the class he felt those who dreamed it had woke up and were told to go back to sleep.

Interestingly even seeing/dreaming that as the six did, didn’t stop a couple of the new students from the 1994 meetings from choosing to leave the class and one was Rio. He was the one who they sent the fedx that led to his going to their craft to discover their deceased vehicles and who was on the cover of people magazine after that.  Last I heard from him he said he was done with disseminating Ti and Do’s info following the book he published entitled “Beyond Human Mind”.

All this thinking was combined with knowing how Jesus had spoken about laying down one’s life as the greatest way to show love, also saying, “no man takes it (my life) from me – I have the power to lay it down and the power to take it back up again”.

So did Jesus commit suicide even though the high priests and government were the instruments. He chose to turn himself into those who he knew from many evidences wanted to kill him because he was causing their followers to think differently.

Ti and Do were not against euthanasia. They felt if someone was too sick to take advantage of life – to make choices to learn lessons and grow from them then they should be allowed to end their own life.

This idea that suicide is a mortal sin is a fabrication. The law to not kill another human was just that for a human to not kill another human. It had nothing to do with oneself though they were not in favor of suicide to escape dealing with difficult lessons, which is really a big part of the real meaning of suicide. I someone choose to run in front of another to take a bullet they are considered a hero, but if one chooses to self stimulate exit for their idea of God’s it’s fanaticism.

Ti’s exit by dying as Revelations 12 says of her (the woman) – “the earth opened up it’s mouth” to take her, which was a way people had spoke about going to the grave, I believe did introduce Do to considering how they might all exit.

Even in 1992 I was in Do’s quarters in his craft as I was helping move things into a truck as we were moving to another craft, I saw the book by the Hemlock society that is all about ways to kill oneself. Soon after that it became part of the student library though I don’t recall ever talking about it.

As they said, it was the timing of the hale bopp comet with the spring solstice, and ascension time that was their sign to go home by exiting their vehicles. The ascension did occur. It was a spirit birth, that’s unseen by human eyes except by understanding it which remains our choice.

Thus after all they went through, they felt called home by Ti regardless of whether the reported companion was there or not. Had then experienced all that and then chose not to follow through would be like saying “no” to Ti because at that point for them it was time to go so they could get on with the next part of the program.

That’s why I insist it was voluntary for them.

I  have been approached by at least 3 people who told me they believed in Ti and Do and wanted to exit because they were miserable in this corrupt world. I told them they could be making a huge mistake. They were trying to escape learning their lessons. We need these vehicles to learn our lessons through. Do left the option open but said anyone who feels to do that should go to the desert southwest and scream to their heavenly Father to know whether that is right for them.

As I was re-awakening, that included many dreams with Ti and Do and certain classmates helping me with, because I must have needed that help, I got up the courage to ask Do if I should prepare my vehicle to lay down my vehicle as they did. He came to me as clear as a bell the same night and said, “you need to give your life”. So that’s what I am attempting to do and am looking to them for help in each step.

M and S were asked, “Why do you choose to keep the Heaven’s Gate website up and running?” M and S response: “The information must be available to mankind, in preparation for their return.”

Yes, available, but NOT in preparation for their return, though there is a vague truth to that. It’s for NOW – for people now who come to their information and want to know more because the Next Level isn’t done. To not talk about this is denying Ti and Do’s intention all along. For instance why put out a statement, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled”, a video Do made in September of 1996 that talks about “3 types of individuals” who can go with them, if it didn’t apply immediately, where he also talked about those in type 3 never having heard about Ti and Do? That means even if someone doesn’t ever see the heavensgate.com web site or anything about Ti and Do, they can still qualify to “go with them”.

Now where it is correct to say, “when they return” relates to the records that Ti and Do said “In the seventh closeness… (they said they as the Two Witnesses were the sixth closeness) would be the “completion of the final prophecies in John’s Book of Revelation” adding, “The one who was Jesus will come in at close range (as soon as those who have chosen to change over do it) and receive the elect into his company, for they have been those he has nurtured since the beginning of this civilization.” This was in “A Statement Prepared by The Two” in the book by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger entitled, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” that was exclusively about Ti and Do and that Ti and Do gave them interviews for. Now this Statement seems to have been written before their first public meetings that began in North Hollywood (Isaiahs “valley of vision” he referred to as Jerusalem) and thus some aspects seem to have had updates, though can also be seen in different ways and especially when one examines the Revelations in this light as it does seem that Do is returning in the vehicle he changed over that was named Jesus 2000 years ago, after the Next Level is “done” with providing hints and clues of their reality to the human kingdom.

When they had their first private meeting in North Hollywood in the home of a leader of a spiritual meditation group in early April 1975 to a packed house there were “several dozen” that wanted to know more so came to another meeting the next night and wanted to leave all behind to follow them which Do reported in “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew” they realized was “… adding up to “followers” – a big surprise and an idea not too welcome as far as Ti and Do were concerned!”. This is further evidence that Ti and Do at that stage in their awakening (a continuous planned but gradual process), before then didn’t think they were to have followers. They thought they would just share the information they were both receiving (separately) until they were “bumped off” as is one translation of the fate of the Two Witnesses in Revelations chapter 11, but turned out they were “shot down by the national press” – another valid interpretation I’ve written a great deal about on my blog.

I’m saying this because in Revelations 14 primarily there are two harvest periods depicted and in a number of places evidence that the first one was 42 students (38+4 later) and that they exited by “falling on their faces in service to deities” (Rev 11:16 and other places) while the second harvest was through the “winepress” that produces bloodshed. – in other words those who tell the truth and meet up with some who hate what they say and seek to kill them to stop them.

(now that hasn’t happened yet because that more or less begins starting with the 5th seal of revelations chapter 6 and we are just coming into the fourth seal with the next presidential election in the US.)

So it is true what M and S said about not knowing when that next return happens, but what was not said that needs to be said is that the criteria for who benefits from the content of the heaven’s gate web site and all the other ways in which people are coming to learn about Ti and Do IS preparation for their return but that prep starts now and will be seen the conclusion of during our normal lifetimes – (said in yet other places) which is getting close to that point, perhaps in the next decade or two even, where M and S made it sound (to me) like it was to become another religion that people would have time to study and make into careers and build cathedrals about – all Luciferian ways to dilute the truth though that the Next Level can make a positive out of.

Two Witnesses Ti Do Father Jesus Part 12 Castration Suicide Born Again UFO Luciferians

March 4, 2011

I Sawyer,who was physically w/Ti & Do as one of Their students for 19 years, left Them because I wasn’t ready to EXIT w/ Them, but who since has sought continued service, truthfully testify of my belief & experience:

Abbreviations:KoG=Kingdom of God/Heaven,OM=Older Member(Heavenly Fathers(Gods)=Jesus,Ti,Do),Rep= Representative from KoG. LAH=Level Above Human(KoG/H).NL=Next Level(as in Next Evolutionary Level Above Human),w/=with.

Ti & Do,the names of The Two Witnesses from the Kingdom of God(KoG),incarnate from ~1973 til 1985(Ti) & til 1997(Do) are most known by Their(Do/Students)public EXIT of their physical bodies as the Heaven’s Gate group.

Most media followed in lock step as usual in for profit corporations,calling Their actions suicide, because of how They voluntarily consumed barbiturates to intentionally “lay their bodies down” to a permanent sleep.

I’m critical of the story’s media coverage because of how little research was demonstrated when abundant data was available. Sure they covered the event itself, just next to nothing about WHY & the abundant Jesus links.

I hope grieving families of the group members have sought God’s help to understand their choices.This offerring may be of some assistance in that regard,however difficult to consider, let alone to embrace.

THEY didn’t consider it suicide because They knew They weren’t ONLY Their body & because They knew who they were doing it for: Do,Their Older Member aka Heavenly Father,the same Soul that had entered the body named Jesus.

Do wasn’t Jesus.He was the same Soul who took over(incarnated)into the body named Jesus.Upon return a new body is selected,hence Jesus warning that many would come “in his name”,the name Jesus so not to believe those are Him.

“Mat 24:5 many shall come IN MY NAME (Gr.onoma=name), saying,I am Christ; & shall deceive many”.After Jesus’ exit Luciferians appeared to humans(Paul) as Jesus to subtly distort the truth which begins a religion.

Ti&Do said in 1975 that They were from the “same family as Jesus” though Ti had said, Do was the same Soul that was incarnate as Enoch,Moses,Elijah & Jesus.Do told us that Ti was the unseen Lord in each of those incarnations.

An incarnation isn’t what’s been termed reincarnation, more accurately described as “taking over” a human vehicle prepared for Their task.Ti&Do said they chose human vehicles to use that were sickly & unlikely to survive.

It’s true that a mortal human lives only once,though they simulate living after death by seeking to live through other humans. When the KoG implants a Soul seed into a human,they are gifted w/POTENTIAL immortality.

Many things KoG says & does through their incarnate Rep(s)  have multiple applications. For instance,the term resurrection means to STAND UP AGAIN.Jesus told his disciples they must be born(of flesh) again for a Soul birth.

In this case to be Born Again of flesh is referring to the fact that each of His student’s physical body was as a  leaf off a branch of the human tree & that like any perennial would sprout (be born) again.

Each new leaf regeneration carries w/it a subconscious memory of it’s last life experience thus becomes a “matching” vehicle for a returning Soul to “take” & potentially bring to the goal of it’s “spirit birth”.

“Joh 3:5-6…Except a man be born of water & of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the KoG.That which is born of flesh is flesh & that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (Spirit=Greek: pneuma=invisible Soul/dis-carnate).

“Joh 3:7-8 Marvel not that I said to you,Ye must be born again.The wind blows where it wills & you hear the sound thereof but can’t tell from where it comes & where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

There is no definition of Spirit that represents simply a state of mind, like a decision or intention or committment though the contents of a Spirit/Soul contain all those qualities.

Just because millions of Christians consider themselves born again of spirit simply by thinking/talking about Jesus as their Lord & Savior,asking him into their hearts & repenting their sins doesn’t make it so.

“Mat 7:21 Not everyone that say to me Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven.”We’re not doing the Lords will unless we try to do ALL Jesus advised.

Let’s examine the prime record Christian leaders refer,indicating being saved by belief alone:Joh 3:16 God so loved the world that he gave his (only?) begotten Son,that whoever believes in Him shouldn’t perish,but have…

…everlasting life.Joh 3:17 God didn’t send his Son to the world(Gr.Kosmos=Earth) to condemn human kind; but that humans through him (might be?) saved.If “might” was used then it was simply possible not a certainty.

Joh 6:40 this is the will of him that sent me,that every one which seeth the Son & believes in him, MAY have everlasting life & I will raise him up again (resurrect also used) at the last day. MAY indicates it’s possible.

But referring to believers,stand/raise up again means,born of flesh again(as a new leaf) that their “saved” soul is ALSO brought back to inhabit(take over/overcome) w/potential to then have RESURRECTed to LIFE(eternal).

It’s true one needs a human flesh vehicle to be able to be born of Spirit because that flesh nature (all of it) needs to be conquered, overcome, yolked/tamed, made obedient to the qualifications taught by the KoG.

Joh 5:28-29 hour is coming,in which all in graves shall hear his voice & shall come forth;they that have been useful to the resurrection of life;that have been useless to resurrection of a decision (for or against KoG).

The term resurrection(stand/arise up again) isn’t indicative of rising into heaven.It depends who we stand up again for, the KoG REP. or not which determines eternal LIFE or Death(1st=body & possibly SAVED & 2nd=perishing).

If resurrection meant going to heaven to be with Jesus, how is it that the “evil” or a better translation of “useless” also reap that reward?They don’t because resurrection means returning for a new flesh experience & choice.

Ti & Do said in 1975 that it was move up time for all grades in school and that all souls would be brought back for a final opportunity to grow. That opportunity is still alive for a short while longer.

Ti&Do wern’t using scripture as an outline of their task,to include what they said. If they had they’d have scrapped the idea of a physical pick up knowing that the harvest of their students had to be a Spirit(unseen) birth.

Ti&Do’s unseen helpers might have blocked this consciousness from Them to sort out initial followers who weren’t prepped for the overcoming classroom from those who were.Those prepped didn’t care about a physical pick up.

I know this because I didn’t care though there were 2 occasions where Ti(1x) & Do(1x) specifically set up a pickup date where we waited & no spacecraft came & certain students were definitely tested & some left because of.

Thus all who think their physical bodies will be taken into a cloud,called a rapture are missing the whole point.A Spirit birth can only occur by the death of the flesh birth while having met the KoG’s stiff qualifications:

They would have to link up w/the incarnate Reps,follow w/Them,give Them their will, be willing to physically die in service,cut ALL previous ties & work hard to conquer all their human vehicle’s desires, habits & addictions.

This means staying in the Older Members Overcoming Classroom through thick & thin,”Rev 14:4…Follow the lamb wherever he goes”. It means not using our own mind, but instead seeking to know the mind of one’s Older Members.

“Mat 16:24-25 Jesus said to disciples,If anyone will come after me,let him deny self(give will),take up his cross & follow me. Whoever will save his life shall lose it & whoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it”

It means working to extinguish one’s fire:sensuality & sexuality, holding in one’s lamp oil,a considered option to even pursue castration as Do &  6 students did.(I was 1 of the first 2 who chose to have this done).

I know it’s a shocking thought, even fanatical/insane to humans.I knew one in the group, when this OPTION was presented by Do, chose to leave.It was a traumatic departure for this member who’d been dedicated for ~15 years.

It was ~1990 when a few first started to examine castration as an option. Do told me, Prkody,Srrody and myself were the only 3 students who expressed a desire to consider having the operation so we began to investigate.

Prkody(who left the group in 1992) contacted some doctors & learned that none would perform that operation unless there was a medical reason for it. We learned it was more taboo than having a sex change operation.

Do said that he didn’t feel right about female students seeking an equivalent operation as it even seemed the male was designed to be relatively easily neutered.But Do didn’t want to deny us the fight against our sexuality.

That fight,equal to whatever fight each has against their otherwise normal human ways goes to building what Ti described as a needed “MUSCLE” that aids in the Soul body birth’s “VIABILITY” upon exit of the vehicle.

Do didn’t want to authorize a students exercising of this option if it might deny them of a needed ingredient,crucial to their viable spirit birth.Do was only asking certain ones if they had castration reservations & 1 did.

This adds more detail to the many times & ways Ti & Do put their students to a test that always resulted in some leaving.They hated losing a student.I witnessed how Do labored over how to help students.

That help was mostly in how to aid them in their overcoming of their particular brand of humanness, physical or mental.But it was also,to help them decide if this experiential classroom was what they desperately wanted.

I have lots of personal experience w/what I’m saying here.I was frequently assigned by Do to partner w/classmates that needed help that included Dst,Oll who were among the 38 & Hvv,Rth,And in 1992 before each left.

These were most specific assignments where I reported directly to Do about.I wasn’t doing this undercover like as a spy. The entire setup of the classroom was to be willing, even eager to be constantly scrutinized.

Overcoming all our human behaviors is very hard work & we as the subjects often are last to identify all that needs conquering. Hence another of the many reasons Older Members incarnate, to work w/us hands on, one on one.

One of my biggest lessons was to not let the standing I was given go to my head which I failed at.Assigning me to help others tested me but it also provided me w/many examples of how Ti&Do operated & why, which is for you.

Do was also concerned a student would have the operation & then leave the class & try to prosecute him which could jeopardize the entire Overcoming Classroom’s needed progress.Most students weren’t that sexually challenged.

Do felt to put the prospect on hold & over a year passed,though I told Do;if the option arose I’d do it.By then I’d read what Jesus said about castration & the extent someone might go to give their ALL to God:

Mat 19:7 (disciples ask:)…Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, & to put her away? Jesus said,Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:

…but from the beginning it was not so & I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication(reasons) (intercourse w/another while married) & shall marry another, committeth adultery: &…

…whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.Mat 19:10 His disciples say to him, If the case of the man be so w/his wife, it isn’t good to marry.But he said to them, All men cannot receive this saying,

…save they to whom it is given.Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb:& there are some eunuchs,which were made eunuchs of men:& there be eunuchs…

which HAVE MADE THEMSELVES EUNUCHS FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN’s SAKE. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Eunuch= Greek: eunouchizo=to castrate/neuter a man. The Essenes were said to practice this.

No one was required to do this, nor pressured into it. Do tried other ways to help students that wanted to squelch their “fire”. As it turned out I did not have it done. Do cancelled my opportunity. He wouldn’t let me do it.

Why? Well on the outside it was because my partner Srrody won the dice toss of who would go first. When both wanted something dice was a fair way to decide.Do didn’t tell us how to decide.One had to be first.

Lvvody was a registered nurse.Her job,that she still had at the time was as the assistant to a doctor who performed orchiectomys. A orchectomy is a removal of a males testicles performed on testicular cancer patients.

Do told us over a year before that he was considering having the operation, so they had gathered all the needed tools to do the task ourselves.We were in San Clemente & set up a room that was surgically clean.

Lvvody began the operation on Srrody while Jnnody assisted.As Do & I watched Do said,”if this doesn’t bond us nothing will”. The operation had a problem.The drainage tubes weren’t draining fluids from the testicular sack.

Srrody’s vehicle’s sack blew up like a balloon (small orange size). Do expressed that he felt he’d made a mistake in allowing this & wanted to be turned in to the police.Jnnody, Lvvody & I insisted otherwise & handled it.

I took Srrody to a hospital while Jnnody & Lvvody stayed nearby.Do contacted Jwnody & Lggody & briefed them.The problem was easily fixed & Srrody was a trooper throughout & was very happy he went through with it.

Because of this Do cancelled my operation. I was disappointed.Before we tossed the dice,Do asked me if I had any reservations. I told him, “my vehicle isn’t looking forward to it, but I’m overriding my vehicle”.

I believe Ti(from her position then outside a vehicle) knew that I,Swyody wasn’t ready,so used the event to cause Do to cancel. I say this because I ended up leaving a year later having given into self-sexuality repeatedly.

For 17+ years I’d been 100% successful maintaining physical celibacy & perhaps 90% able to block sexual thoughts. However,I did have some challenging times & they came to a head in 1993 seemingly out of the blue.

I don’t know what it’s like for celibate humans,whether it gets easier to stay celibate but for me, it did not get easier.Sure I learned to “nip in the bud” the triggers but we were in a pressure cooker in the classroom.

Do said we were actually assigned a discarnate to act as our adversary(satan) that was our ticket to building that MUSCLE. I have evidence,an adversary was not allowed to test us beyond our capacity to handle though came close.

I was sitting at my computer programming desk job when the image of a woman’s breast entered my mind.Most weekends we had an outing to a movie & in some cases there would be a very brief nudity scene.

Do watched a movie before putting it on our outing list.He would tell us ahead that there was a little nudity & that if it bothered us, then close your eyes or turn away & practice blocking the thought.

By the way, we were instructed to avoid testing ourselves – like putting self in a position of temptation to see if we could withstand it.And we were instructed not to challenge discarnates either, the same kind of thing.

I had good eye/thought control,so I justified not closing my eyes, thinking I could handle the test.After all Do said the sight of a female breast felt equivalent to his viewing a grapefruit so I wanted to grow to that too.

But I became overcome w/the stimulus of that memory image & without touching myself had an emission.The only other times this had occurred was while asleep at times. We called them nocturnal emissions.

Do said about these that if we did nothing to stimulate it, it was little more than a relief valve going off so not to worry or feel guilt about it.I always did feel guilty about it anyway but not because Do instigated it.

It was because I grew very sensitive to sexual stimulus.If I allowed myself to linger on the back of a females neck I could feel a gland inside my body produce hormones that inevitably would necessitate a nocturnal emission.

However,this really wasn’t the main reason I left.I was unknowingly harboring a discarnate martyrdom influence that had me think I was elevating myself to sacrifice myself physically whether by castration or death.

It took me 10 yrs after leaving to recognize why I’d left.It has to do with who’s SAKE I was acting for, mine or KoG’s thru Do? “Mat 10:39 He that finds his life shall lose it & he that LOSES HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE FINDS IT.”

Mar 8:35 whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life FOR MY SAKE & the gospel’s shall save it. Joh 13:37 Peter said,Lord why can’t I follow you now?I will LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR YOUR SAKE.

Mat 19:29 every one that has forsaken houses,or brethren, or sisters,or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands FOR MY NAME’S SAKE, shall receive a hundredfold(new KoG family) & shall inherit everlasting life.

I was a zealot as were all the students.But my zealotry added to my ego(SELF importance) because it was tied to “liking being SEEN as special(heroic)”,actually a discarnate influence w/me from my youth.

Before Ti exited,she gave students a note expressing what behavior/ways “would keep us off the spacecraft”.My note had 3 points: 1)A little too pleased w/self. 2)Likes to be SEEN as something special 3)Sarcastic w/humans.

Someone who wants to be a hero thrives on feeling special & being looked up to.It’s different than doing heroic things though w/humans it’s mostly a mix.As KoG trainees,the program is to surrender ALL of what builds us up.

That’s why Jesus compared children w/aspirants of KoG membership.We need to transfer all our SELF confidence to our OM’s. Mat 18:3… Except ye be converted & become as little children,ye shall not enter into the KoG.

That’s a huge reason an OM needs to incarnate,to give us someone who we can trust giving our ALL to.It’s a matter of who we transfer our dependency to, from ourselves & other humans to the provided KoG OM Rep.

Luciferians have us give that kind of devotion to fellow humans who obtain leadership positions. But Those who are primary KoG seed subconsciously know humans never measure up to KoG OM’s so tend to be nonconformist.

But of course there’s a lot more to identifying KoG seed & that’s not really our job, nor can we do so accurately but there are primarily two strains of genetic seed,KoG’s & the rest which has been mixed a great deal by now.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world;useful seed are the children of the kingdom;but tares are the children of the troublesome one. Now it can seem the good seed are represented by the Jews because that’s how it started out.

Mt 21:43 …The KoG shall be taken from you & given to a nation(people) bringing forth the fruits thereof.(fruit=believers). Joh 8:37 I know you’re Abraham’s seed;but ye seek to kill me,because my word has no place in you

Jesus’ rising from the dead was both a demonstration of his Soul surviving a physical death to STAND UP AGAIN & proof that he was NOT a SPIRIT entity or hallucination – letting them touch him,eat w/him & converse, plus.

Do Christians think Jesus stayed around 40 days showing over a dozen of them all sorts of proof he was physical & alive just for heck of it?Couldn’t He had come as a bright light that blinded them & talked to them that way?

That’s the Paul of Tarsus story,another of the many evidences that Paul was entrapped by Luciferians to sow confusion resulting in most of todays Christians.This is why all the believers in Ti&Do ran far away from religions.

This small group of men & women disciples were given physical PROOF & validation of all Jesus taught to propel them to spread the whole truth far & wide to make a lasting impression for future believers & the gene pool.

Their test was whether or not to talk about Jesus to those that hated to hear of it knowing they’d suffer the same loss of their physical body,clearly what Jesus said would be their service & proof to KoG of their worthiness.

Mat 20:23 he saith to them(disciples),Ye shall drink of my CUP & be baptized (cleansed) the way I am baptized…” CUP=lot/task. “Mt 26:39 Father,if possible let this CUP(give life) pass from me:but not as I will, but as thy”

Luk 22:20 …also the cup after supper, saying,This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.Joh 18:11 Jesus to Peter;Put up thy sword in the sheath:the cup which my Father hath given me,shall I not drink?

Thus Jesus’ task was to bring the FORMULA for graduation/harvest for those “sheep” his Father “gave to him” & to do that by his sharing the words his Father gave him to share followed by the demonstration of the formula.

The demonstration was to VOLUNTARILY “give up his physical life” that included both what would be considered as normal human behaviors – pursuits of marriage, sex,prosperity,wealth & recognition & then his body.

“Luk 22:19 And he took bread & gave thanks & brake it & gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in recollection of me.” THIS DO=give your body, remembering my example NOT eating of bread.

Even if Jesus did intend for them to have food together in remembrance of Him, for it to become a ceremony that fails miserably to relate the fact that we too MUST give our Body & Blood is a typical Luciferian dilution.

This demonstration was absolutely necessary to offer proof that ALL he said & did was the genuine overcoming FORMULA AND NEEDED duplication for anyone who wants to be with him on his crew in His real Kingdom.

Remember how Buddhist monks lite themselves on fire in the 60-70’s in protest of war.That may have been a luciferian stimulated facsimile as other suicides tied to religious belief,eg.Solar Temple,Jim Jones,etc.

If the students of even Jim Jones & Solar Temple & David Koresh followers that died in their belief thought they were doing so for KoG in whatever their terms,then KoG may choose to “save” those souls for next lesson time.

But the leaders of these groups were co-opted by a Luciferian to look like what Lucifer knew was coming from the KoG though he didn’t know from who,how, when or where, so he looked for those he could capture to do his will.

So how can someone tell the difference as to most,Ti&Do’s Heaven’s Gate was a religion too? The differences are actually many. But the main one is that we don’t come to the KoG,They come to those who have genuinely ASKED.

When we privately talk to whatever our idea is of a Creator,WATCHERS(unable to be seen workers for KoG),hear us & offer us help to be in the path of KoG REPs when They come announcing Their task, blowing their shofar(horn).

No one can plan to be in that path & open minded to Their NEW message UNLESS they are prepared to receive it. Some examples: Mat 19:11 he said to them, All men cannot receive this saying, SAVE THEY TO WHOM IT IS GIVEN.

Mat 20:23 …Ye shall drink indeed of my cup & be baptized(cleansed) w/the baptism I’m baptized w/but to sit on my right & left isn’t mine to give, but it SHALL BE GIVEN TO THEM FOR WHOM IT IS PREPARED OF MY FATHER.

“Mat 13:11 [to disciples] it is GIVEN to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is NOT GIVEN.” “Joh 6:65 … no man can come to me, except it were GIVEN to him of my Father.”

But most Christians have been taught that they have been given this gift of recognition making them “born again”, & thus another Luciferian twist.Recognizing a returned Jesus means recognizing his returned words/formula.

Most have become convinced that they don’t have to literally GIVE THEIR LIVES to/for the next incarnate representative from KoG exactly as Jesus disciples had to do & did & that includes telling others the same formula.

Telling people about Jesus’ healing sick,helping poor & his sacrifice is fine & well but if we’re not telling others the FORMULA we’re spreading a diluted picture of who He is & what’s required to reap his promised reward.

The formula is NOT to become a priest or a devout religionist. It’s not designed to be enacted entirely until the Rep shows up physically because that Rep will seem to most everyone loony tunes &/or dangerous.

Thus choosing to go with that Rep,follow Them,learn from Them,give one’s LIFE to Them will put one at odds w/virtually everyone else so that one’s enemy will be those of one’s own household.

“Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.For I am come to set a man at variance against his father & the daughter against her mother…”.

A Luciferian twist is The formula of overcoming all our MAMMON master ways being relegated to an elite class called priests & made into an honorable vocation.Translations of the record become diluted & disguised.

The priests convince the so called lay followers that they have their own gifts to offer,the reason why they don’t have to adopt the priestly behaviors.Lucifer set this up big time through Paul. Here’s one example of many:

“1Co 12:28 God has set some in the church,1st apostles,2nd prophets,3rd teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.”Is he saying God=the Father Jesus referred to?

If so did that God do a poor job through his son Jesus in outlining this hierarchy of so called gifts of the body of believers? Note how the 4 gospels largely testify of one another w/many sayings duplicated but not exactly.

And how the Revelations of John have many parallels to the 4 Gospels but 99% of Pauls writings have no parallels. Why aren’t there more Christian theologians crying “fowl play” in Paul’s writing dominance over Jesus’?

But the KoG doesn’t let Their core record of the last REP diminish,so it’s there to aid the next rep as They must occupy a human vehicle that has genetic memory of the last REP,so can be awakened to what really occurred.

All the souls from the last Rep’s task who knew the formula & began to apply it, are helped by the KoG to choose a human vehicle they can help awaken to their genetic memory of being with the last Rep.

To these,”giving their life” is known & acceptable & they have made some headway in the detail of the formula’s application. This genetic & Soul memory also entails all aspects of the Jesus record they experienced.

Thus any return of a Rep MUST be met by society as a CULT.So what does Lucifer do?In anticipation of the Rep,over 1000’s of yrs. He stimulates cults that to the unprepared eye can resemble a distorted view of the last Rep.

Today, when anyone voluntarily takes their own life, it’s considered suicide.It’s even against the law. No one believes it can be done for a right w/God reason, though the Luciferians have twisted even that.

When a Soul Seeded human dies if their seed has TAKEN, as Jesus said…”didn’t die by the wayside,etc.” their Soul body is SAVED to be brought back for a next lesson period, where the idea of reincarnation came from.

In 1996 Do & students published a paper entitled,”Our Position Against Suicide” where they outline their great respect & need to live while examining how they might exit/get picked up by a KoG spacecraft(cloud of light).

They said,”The true meaning of “suicide” is to turn against the Next Level when it is being offered.In these last days, we are  focused on two primary tasks: one – of making a last attempt at telling the truth about how…

…the Next Level may be entered (our last effort at offering to individuals of this civilization the way to avoid “suicide”); and two – taking advantage of the rare opportunity we have each day – to work individually on…

…our personal overcoming & change,in preparation for entering the Kingdom of Heaven.” It was Sept.1994,while I was still w/ them that Do began to talk w/the entire group about taking it upon ourselves to exit & how.

This was just after finishing the 1994 public meeting series that took us to dozens of U.S. & Canadian cities over 9 months in which the group had added at least 12 new members.

If you go to HeavensGate.com you can see the list of cities & the way the meetings were announced.Critics claim that the members were brainwashed but there was no technique to do so & especially for new members.

Do certainly wanted to Exit. He & Ti talked about exiting in whatever way from nearly day one, though they didn’t enjoy how that might happen, like being killed by a religious fanatic.

It can seem they had a death wish,as if they hated living.They did grow to hate the human kingdom in the way humans had become so against all REAL things about the KoG despite all the religious & spiritual god/Jesus talk.

There was no brainwashing especially evidenced by the fact that Do told these 12 new members They were considering “exiting by our own hand” right after they joined which resulted in several leaving soon thereafter.

The primary reason it took them from Sept.94 til Mar.97 to exit by their own hand was to be sure the members were in fact of a clear mind to make such a HUGE decision that would shock & traumatize many in the world.

There’s no way to find a human reason behind their decision.Even faith based groups can’t fathom this as related to their faith so they write it off rather than take a real look as it would deflate their religions to do so.

But the facts are that from 1975 most members were resigned to either get physically picked up by a spacecraft or lose their vehicle(body) in some way similar to what occurred at Waco or Ruby Ridge, by another’s hand.

However for several reasons there was to be no successful hunt of Ti&Do & students following their 1975-6 international splash, allowing time for the students to better overcome their humanness.

Some say to me,”oh,so all I have to do is off myself for God & I go to Heaven?”, which is Luciferian talk. No,of course not.One must align w/the current Older Member(Do),ask for service to engage their appropriate next step.

As a consequence, perhaps planned by the KoG or a counter strategy when They witnessed the needs of the students & the general human lackadaisical response indicated to Do to stage their own exit & an unignorable one.

I don’t claim to know the KoG’s complete detailed thinking & strategy in this regard.What I do know was that Ti&Do,but primarily Do, after Ti left her vehicle by the KoG’s letting a cancer kill it examined ALL exit options.

As They said,”It has always been our way to examine all possibilities, and be mentally prepared for whatever may come our way. For example, consider what happened at Masada around 73 A.D. A devout Jewish sect,…

…after holding out against a siege by the Romans,to the best of their ability & seeing the murder,rape, & torture of their community was inevitable,determined that it was permissible for them to evacuate their bodies…

…by a more dignified & less agonizing method.We have thoroughly discussed this topic (of willful exit of the body under such conditions) & have mentally prepared ourselves for this possibility.”

About the time that they prepared this statement, they were building an “earthship” complex near Albuquerque,NM using old tires packed w/mud as bricks.They thought of it as a “Monastery Fortress” or “Launch Pad”.

The idea of the Masada groups “willful exit” began in part by observing the Branch Davidian murders by the FBI/ATF.I sat w/Do &  three students when the complex began to burn on TV (allegedly intended to flush them out).

We were all shocked by this event, but Do later expressed that even though David Koresh was misguided, his followers who had decided to die for their belief were dedicated in a way He hoped we, his students would be.

A few days later(after this April 1993 event) Do said he was wondering if we might exit in a similar way, by provoking the govt. He asked us what we thought about that and about buying some rifles loaded with blanks.

I remember feeling very squeamish about the idea but I knew it was a test of the extent of my committment.But that didn’t stop my wondering just how far I would be willing to go for Do(Ti) & the Next Level(KoG).

Do didn’t bring it up again & there were no rifle purchases then.However,I wondered,”what if Do asked me to kill,would I?” This caused me to shudder at the thought but if I really believed/trusted Him shouldn’t I be willing?

I remember thinking, “I don’t know but maybe I would be willing” & I hoped I would not be tested in that way & thought that the Next Level would never ask that of someone. I remind, Do only talked about that Exit idea then.

Why OM’s incarnate;If a spirit came or channeled through someone,it would be less than REAL to all those returnees who were w/an OM before & their matching genetic memory while any supernatural interface would mesmerize us.

That’s why should some entity come to anyone in a dream or spirit sighting or as a human alien contactee or channel, in the name of Ti&Do or Jesus, they’re NOT to be trusted.It will happen this way w/a group prepared ahead.

I retell this to show the detail surrounding Do’s examination of all things that occurred to him via world events & from student responses & he didn’t hesitate to bring them up to the class.

Some people have claimed, after Ti exited,Do went downhill to the mass suicide.But what we saw was Do becoming more transparent than before,treating his helpers,his core overseers & the entire class as his check partners.

Sometime after I left them in 1994, they did purchase several rifles & some learned to shoot them. Do was still considering they might have a Masada styled exit while building the fortress in Manzano, NM.

But this was all BEFORE Do felt like he was notified of the approaching “token/sign” in the Heaven’s as Jesus said to expect. While I was still in the group,we became aware of a Las Vegas radio show that talked of UFO’s.

Before that & before an internet there were what were computer “bulletin boards” associated w/a university,govt or business. They were RS-232 accessed & one we regularly examined was called Paranet, a paranormal site.

This is where we first became aware that some astronomers were viewing a peculiar object outside the orbit of Pluto. Reports suggested the object was changing it’s speed & trajectory, but was coming closer to Earth.

Do had known the “indicator” or “token/sign” would be something only the Next Level could produce.He realized that what He & Ti, back in 1975 thought would be a spacecraft to pick them up, was this approaching EXIT indicator.

The object was named Hale-Bopp comet.Hubble space telescope pictures revealed 2 tails.Do considered a spacecraft MIGHT be hiding behind it but by then spacecraft or not felt it didn’t matter to their exit plan.

In 19 yrs I never saw Do guess though he’d consider everything.Some of his ways incorporated phrases like:”If in doubt,don’t” “Cover your bets”,& if you must decide,”Take a chance on a positive”.

Was this prophecy a COMET? “Mat 24:27 as the lightning(Gr.astrape from aster=bright shining star) comes out of the east & shines even to the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Kohoutek(’73) & HaleBopp(’97)!

It could refer to the KoG rep coming for one group,as in the prime “harvest” while again for the ones that believed in the first group, to “save” them for their next step after some recycling.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.

There wasn’t a program or activity within Ti&Do’s group to find scriptures to justify anything Ti&Do said or did.We always had Bibles, but no assigned reading of them so anyone could have researched whatever they wanted.

In 1991,considering bringing Ti&Do’s info public again, after NOT doing so since 1976 Do bought ~6 different bible translations for research while watching Christian Satellite ministries to understand the Christian mindset.

Now of course anyone else taking their own life would probably be a mistake.However,Do did think people have the right to do so for instance as we observed Dr. Kovorkian’s work in euthanasia for those that had great pain.

Ti&Do indicated when anyone stopped seeking(growth), marked by preoccupation w/physical sustenance alone they’re all but dead by KoG standards.However,Ti&Do’s task didn’t ever require advancing someone’s death involuntarily.

The KoG does but when I speak of Ti & Do,though They are members of the Kingdom of God, Their task was to advance the graduation classroom of students They brought w/Them who began their lessons millennium before.

Pulling up weeds wasn’t their particular task during this incarnation.It is the gardeners right to choose when to assist the fruit they planted, how & when.In this regard ALL our physical bodies are in a sense expendable.

If they weren’t expendable then they wouldn’t have limited life spans.Now the Luciferians take this reality & cause humans, they can easily con, to think they’re acting out God’s will to kill others that are in their way.

I have it on good word that there are no members of the Kingdom of God walking around in physical bodies at this time, nor will there be until sometime into the next civilization on Earth after considerable garden recycling.

Ti & Do are coming back one last time before that recycling has completed, in which time they will choose which souls still have a potential to grow towards graduation & which don’t.They will do this from their space crafts.

When this happens Governments and many humans will think it’s an Alien invasion & will mount attacks against them and will be no match at all.There are observers now of the literal heavens that are witnessing their approach.

They don’t know what they’re seeing nor what’s in store but this is the prime reason Luciferian Space Aliens prod humans to put most all their resources towards combat, survivalist technological development & global control.

This is also why some Space Alien human contactees say Greys from Orion are bad aliens &/or are robots/slaves controlled by the Reptilians.Weeds,including Reptilians don’t think they are weeds thus their exterminators=enemy.

All space aliens along w/somewhat awakened humans want a healthy environment for their own survival but some space aliens will say & do anything to have good human egg/sperm,etc. specimens for their hybridization projects.

The evidence they feel of Greys being robots comes largely from Leonard Stringfield’s autopsies of the Roswell crash dead bodies he published through MUFON.At least 1 body had no digestive or reproductive organs.

Another of the bodies had only a remnant of a male reproductive organ, in other words a small penis. The KoG wanted some U.S.  officials to know the reality of people from outer space & their different vehicle types.

Some, if not all of the spacecraft (UFO) crashes in which bodies were found were intentional as the way members of the KoG(LAH) get into a planet’s “secret” spirit world w/their soul body to perform an undercover task.

This is one way members of the Next Level and/or students aspiring for full membership are required to show their willingness to graduate from the human kingdom level of life.

Any body from a crash w/any characteristics associated with a human body represent an aspirant to full membership,as the body of  a member of this Evolutionary Level Above Human isn’t biologically human.

Do said, “Next Level grows” what he called “suits of clothing(bodies) on vines w/a number of different models appropriate to the Soul planned to occupy/wear it”.A body w/only remnant of a sex organ is likely from lack of use.

Do said that all those students that LAYED DOWN THEIR LIVES in 1997 didn’t necessarily graduate to these vine grown issue Next Level bodies,as some he felt still had further human overcoming to experience to qualify.

I don’t know if that has something to do w/Ti’s initial statement in 1976 that standards for membership were going to be raised when she got back so Luciferian types can’t slip into even an apprentice degree of membership.

However,perhaps she pulled in more of Her Next Level Mind after saying that,as She & Do realized that some aspiring members were given apprentice styled tasks like Watchers/Messengers where they can appear to humans as Gods.

In that position these would still have a vehicle/body that has human characteristics such as what Ti & Do called “plumbing” for reproducing,making them still corruptible(able to return to human behaviors & be their leaders).

I know many Christians & probably other religio/spiritualists think of God as unchangeable & all knowing & of course relative to humans they are all knowing yet they didn’t create a free will environment to dictate behavior.

They actually thrive on the needs of the moment, never automatically lingering on an older strategy when it’s always a new circumstance. True They don’t drop Their covenants unless the humans They are tending do.

When Ti & Do would see that Christian bumper sticker that said, “Jesus, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow” They said They felt sickened by the idea that Jesus would never change.

Ti & Do taught us & demonstrated that “change is the name of the game”,that there isn’t perfection though we can measure ourself by our Older Member’s seeking of perfection.Ti & Do called the Oldest Member the Chief of Chiefs

“Giving one’s Life” to one’s Older Member,at this time named Do is the only KEY to the Gate of the Heavenly Kingdom.Moses had to do it, Jesus had to do it, Ti,Do & students had to do it. What is meant by “Giving” grows.

It starts with “belief” in the current or latest REPresentative from the Level Above Human.Then it can grow to belief & service to that same REP, one’s Older Member aka Heavenly Father.

Service isn’t what WE want it to be.The REP tells us when they’re incarnate so we are not fooled by influences.Our first service is to disseminate to others the words They said & wrote & accept any ramifications.

That doesn’t mean try to stimulate the ramifications. The WORDS will do that. This service tests whether or not we can follow Their instructions without adding our own interpretation,one of the “17 steps”.

Those that do believe in Ti&Do may in times to come be considered heretics & could be sought after to stop, banish & even kill, the first stage of willingness to lose your physical life for one’s Older Member.

Beginning one’s personal overcoming process is a natural part of belief in & service to Ti & Do which includes starting dialog w/Do, mainly ASKING for help w/service & dealing w/the ramifications & adversarial influences.

Yes it’s all a huge step. Do said in 88 Update, not a day went by where he didn’t question his sanity. It will never be met w/ popular support as we see in ALL religions, spirituality, wealth,technology & intellect worship.

Engaging to be on Ti&Do’s team is in no way void of laughter & entertainments, avoidance of responsibilities & relationships w/ others.It was when Jesus was about to leave that he said,”love your neighbor as yourself”.

In the classroom as well as when we did what we called “out of craft tasks” – jobs among the people who were not engaged in full time overcoming under the tutelage of an incarnate OM we were to hold a positive countenance.

As Do said on the Beyond Human tape available on youtube.com under channel name:1riverofangels, “The Lord wants you to have nice things, he just doesn’t want you to want them”.Many people have many characteristics of the KoG.

Ti&Do didn’t address the NOW but I believe the Jesus record is perfect for pro/con’s in life activity but w/talk to Ti&Do rather than to Jesus because the spirit world is filled w/discarnates who love to answer as Jesus.

Do did tell some of those who left the class, to avoid debt. He didn’t say why but it seems apparent now more than ever.It glues us to a justification for our own enslavement tying us to one location for instance.

I know for many the idea that They “layed down their lives”,called suicide is unthinkable & even self-murder, but if any believe in Jesus,they might want to consider all Jesus said about Life, Death & real Loving of the Lord.

But to recognize that for some, as I’ve outlined in these info-video’s,it was their full voluntary decision to “give their life” in that way BECAUSE they were permitted to do so by the Older Member they loved.

In the human world it’s always been considered heroic and simply the highest form of love, to be willing to die for another & especially for someone we don’t even know.

But when we are willing to give our life for someone who we believe to be from the Kingdom of God, it’s considered by most to be insanity.But I think it’s insanity to believe our entire reality came about accidentally.

And I see in nature tons of organization & intelligent guided decision-making by all species, though we call it instinct. I know intelligence is required to build anything so why argue that nature requires none?

And why is it that all things in nature appear to have various practical function/purpose. Plants provide oxygen to animals. Animals(bees/insects,etc.) help spread pollen among plants.There are thousands of examples.

Thus with humans, who can perform many of the purposes that help all other species of life on Earth, what could be their highest purpose? To become a dead spirit? To become independent & self-sustaining or a philanthropist?

I believe there is a great deal of empirical, even logical evidence that strongly suggests that humankind are abundant in the Universe along with the historic records to suggest we were created for an ultimate purpose.

Was it to mate with space aliens who said they mated with Earth Humans to create their genetic lineage though none of them have the slightest explanation for how they created the Suns, planets & all the elements & systems?

And how some of the contactees like Rael say he was told by his abductors the ultimate human purpose was to have pleasure which certainly explains why Earth is dominated by people who put their pleasure above other’s lives.

While anyone can understand why people of conscience & science would run from what the religious do/& say to justify themselves. And one can also understand why so many seek religions & new age spirituality as a safe haven.

But why is it that almost none of these mentioned appear willing to even consider what the real Jesus said, which would also open them up to what Ti & Do said & did, as representing a potential CHOICE of ultimate purpose?

Christians can’t imagine that the fact that Jesus KNEW he would be killed,how, when, why & by whom could be considered a type of suicide.The reason:The Luciferians saw to it that such was considered illegal & an original sin.

There’s no record against suicide in the Bible.Most say “Thou shall not murder” is but it’s an act AGAINST ANOTHER’s Life. If it was a big no no,why didn’t Moses cover it when he covered next to everything re:death?

I don’t believe it was KoG’s oversight nor that most who don’t kill themselves is primarily because of laws against doing so. No Christian authors I’ve polled,when listing scriptures depicting suicide site Jesus.

Maybe their bible search doesn’t include the meaning of “give (lay down) one’s life for another”,while Christian’s shout “Jesus GAVE HIS LIFE to save us from our sins” made meaningless & popularized by Luciferians thru Paul?

Joh 10:18 NO MAN TAKES IT(Life) FROM ME BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF.I have Gr.exousia=choice/permission/authority to lay it down & have choice to take it again.He’s CHOOSING for his body to be killed aka assisted suicide.

2nd part of John 10:18…”This commandment have I received of my Father”(to lay down his life)was authorized by His Father. Isn’t it clear that Jesus intended all his students then & in the future to do as He said & did?

“Jn 14:15 If ye love me,keep my commandments.Jn 12:25 He who loves his life shall lose it & he that hates his life in this world shall keep it to LIFE eternal.”

Joh 15:13-14 Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.Ye are my friends,if ye do whatever I command you.(as we need to learn to trust & He needs to know we can be trusted in return).

Yet many say believers in Jesus aren’t required to try to be like HIM & attempts are trying to earn salvation when it’s a gift. The gift is being given the opportunity, but seizing it NEEDS to include CHANGE,WORKS & SERVICE.

Jesus demonstrated His relationship w/His Father to show us what our relationship w/Him would need to become.Joh 12:49 I haven’t spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me he gave me a commandment what I should say/speak.

So,Jesus says he looks to his Father for every word/commandment to give to us while also saying that if we love Him we will keep every word/commandment of His & will prove that by passing same on to potential new believers.

To try to help us get rid of our religio-spiritual thinking,Do once gave us an analogy that the KoG was like a Corporation w/ strict qualifications for new employees.We were applying to be on Ti’s crew.Ti=Do’s Father.

Do also described Ti as the Admiral while he was a Captain on Their crew.To join the crew requires an application of giving Them our service against all odds because the world has all but ruled out the LAH’s real existence.

I guarantee no humans in history even come close to mimicking Ti&Do,who were 100% aligned w/every word/way recorded from Jesus. Fear or not having KoG seed are the only things that keep someone from fully examining Ti&Do.

According to Rio,aka Neody,the last one to leave the group just weeks before they layed down their bodies,as he recorded in his book entitled,Beyond Human Mind,The Soul Evolution of Heaven’s Gate Do told them…

…He realized/remembered something from when he was incarnate in the body called Jesus.”He(as Jesus) was a fugitive for a while hiding from the Roman officials.During this time He traveled to east Asia”.

Do had a question as to,”why He(as Jesus)came back to a place that He knew was going to kill Him.According to Do the reason was; Jesus was ready to go back to His Father.With tears in His eyes He said:”…

“leaving the body here is how the Soul of Jesus traveled back to the Next Level”.His Soul did exit the body though was repaired enough to PROVE he was still PHYSICAL(NOT a Spirit) & ascended into the hidden spacecraft(UFO).

We were back in San Clemente in Sept. of 94′ when Do brought up to the entire CLASS for the 2nd official time the subject of a possible self initiated EXIT of our physical bodies by use of a permanent sleep inducing drug.

I was still in the class at that time. Do wanted to hear something from each member of the class, which included perhaps a dozen new members.One left after that meeting.I left next but not due to exit talk.

I was still giving into sensuality & not exposing it,two reasons to be sent out of the classroom. I didn’t know why I couldn’t gain control, but Do said he wasn’t ready to “throw me away as I had a lot to offer the LAH”.

By that time I’d been removed from my Overseer position & became withdrawn & complacent as I knew I was living a lie by then. One day Do called.I was living w/6 classmates separate from Do & the larger classroom body.

Do told me he wanted me to partner w/Mllody on an overseer task again.That was all it took.How could I be an Overseer when I couldn’t muster what used to be relatively easy control over my vehicles sensual nature?

I said to Do(for the first time in 19 yrs. of fully dedicated service),”I can’t as I’d be a hypocrit”.He responded,”Then what do you want to do?”.I replied,”I’ll have to leave”.He said,”I guess you want more objectivity.”

Do then spoke w/Nrrody who told the others of my decision,adding that Do said no one should try to talk Swyody out of leaving because he knows what he’s doing.I wanted to leave w/nothing,that martyr influence w/me.

They insisted I take $600 plus a plane ticket to where I wanted to go.I chose Phoenix,AZ near 2 former classmates,found a job, apartment,etc..I had NOTHING against them.To relatives surprise I spoke highly of my experience.

The KoG thru Their Rep(s)(Moses) set up life & death rules.Some people rebel from those rules.For example in Exodus 32 as some people began to worship a gold calf at Moses absence,Moses required them to choose sides.

The sons of Levi chose Moses’ side & He instructed them to slay certain others.Now we can fault Moses but the law was not given to Moses who was the current Rep from the KoG,it was given to His followers to abide by.

We can curse the Lord for not stopping Moses as we can for the Lords destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah though it was weeding the garden,again not for us to believe we have the authority to do as we’re not the garden creators.

When a male fertilizes a females egg, they pass on their current physiology AND the content of their mind/spirit/CHOICES.We are all part of the KoG’s designed experience that is free willed & thus experimental in outcome.

A female, of course isn’t designed to pass on their current mindset as developed from birth. They are born w/their eggs, thus have a predestination of sorts though variables are introduced by the male seed.

Thus especially in the earlier years of the experiment,the KoG chose times to weed the garden plot to give their “plants” a chance to develop into flowers(fruit), in this case to actually become part of their own crew.

How is that accomplished? When the direction of a plants evolution is apparent & it’s judged detrimental to the survival of the desired fruit, then the KoG has various methods of weeding-haulting the spread of that seed.

We can see many examples of this weeding under the direction of Moses but in each case options were always given to the weeds though in this garden plot’s weeding it’s accomplished by & large by the potential fruit itself.

If weeds are left to propagate they spread & choke all the healthy plants.The KoG are the judges through their incarnate Reps. However,strong plants can better ward off weed attacks, in this experiment by mental discipline.

But the KoG doesn’t want to eradicate all the weeds as they enact a significant challenge to the fruit’s needed evolution.They serve as fertilizer or like a sparing partner.It’s the Soul body that’s being developed.

Mat 13:30 Let both (tares(weeds (wheat look alike))) & fruit(wheat) grow together til harvest & then will say to the reapers, gather together first the tares & bind them in bundles to burn them & gather wheat to my barn.

“Mat 18:7 Woe to the world because of offences! It must needs be that offences come but woe to that man by whom offence comes” Offenses=Greek:skandalon = trap, snare, stumbling block, tests related to tribulation(pressure).

But as I’ve outlined “giving one’s life” was a given if we wish to apply for membership on the KoG’s team.It’s the application that is in steps,thus Jesus was demonstrating a final step that included a preliminary one.

When a Rep knows it’s time to exit yet they know they can easily hide from those that seek them out, they are left w/initiating their exit/arrest as Jesus did by going back to Jerusalem & calling out Judas to act.

Initiating our own exit w/no provable good reason,like to save another is considered suicide by all those who don’t believe in any beings more evolved than human, who created our reality.

One Luciferian twist is that for Jesus to initiate his own exit was not suicide but was dying for our sins,giving his body/blood so we don’t have to, allowing them to think they reap the reward for no comparable investment.

Another Luciferian twist is that giving one’s life for one’s country is honorable before God.The Luciferians carefully avoid any inclination of giving one’s life FOR the KoG unless they can show it as fanatical coercion.

And of course the Luciferians love promoting giving one’s life to another human, a family member, but mostly for a spouse as a romantic way of thinking,but hates any idea that one could have that degree of love for the KoG.

For those few that do feel inclined to give their life to KoG(in any culture) & for whatever core reason, Luciferians establish it as honorable ONLY within the scope of an organized religion.ALL others are dangerous cults.

Luciferians include promotion of no KoG creator beings & nothing “above us” to give self to as John Lennon sang about & has been deified by.I liked John Lennon’s being against organized religion but for different reasons.

I am totally for community & organizations to accomplish social goals that can result in governments.Common beliefs in the KoG are also Jesus rooted but only individuals can have a relationship w/the KoG, NOT organizations.

The ONLY time it’s an evolutionary step above human to self initiate exit from one’s body is when it’s totally conscious,NOT by a carrot/stick lure, not for self,whether an escape or imagined heroism(martyrdom) AND

NOT of our own WILL but as a result of willful bonding w/a genuine Older Member from the LAH,evidenced to you over time in Their every word/deed as Their student whose WILL you know you WANT to serve because you love Them.

Joh 10:(11)I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.(15)…& I lay down my life for the sheep.(17)Therefore does my Father love me,because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

I’m closing this chapter in saying that my return to Ti&Do’s service was/is still very challenging.We will all be giving our lives to something.We can keep it safe & ordinary or we can take it to the NEXT LEVEL.

After ~12 yrs. of a return to asking for service to Ti & Do,I asked Do if I needed to prepare myself to lay down my life as They did.Do came to me in a dream that same night & said,”Give Your Life”,a process.

Many choices are very difficult,especially when there’s no recognizable payback.There’s still an open door to choose to apply for a step wise service to Ti & Do from the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

Making such application is simple:Start serving.How? Decide that you believe in who Ti&Do are & tell others what They said/did. It’s between You & Ti and Do, the last current representatives from the Level Above Human.

Sources of Information for Ti and Do and Student (Saints)

February 11, 2011

Here are the list of current sources I can stand behind as being authentic. There are people creating sites and video’s and such that are not authentic, while there are some who are also producing video’s where they are doing the best job they can do, but from new believers thus may or may not contain inaccuracies. If you come across anything I’d like to know about it so I can see if they are presenting inaccurate information. It’s just a matter of time before there is more and more disinformation circulated just as occurred after Jesus exited, starting subtly with Paul of Tarsus.

Number one direct source of info is still at:
http://www.Heavensgate.com
You can copy and paste all the articles and statements there. There is a site but I don’t know how reliable they are as I don’t know who maintains it, but you used to be able to download this same book in .zip format at:
http://www.heavensgatetoo.com

The two individuals who are continuing to maintain the Heavensgate.com site were given that task by Do before they exited. They were also left with the book for publishing which they have done. If you write to the email address on that site you might be able to buy the softcopy book that is all the info that is otherwise provided for free on the site though it’s bound and may have some additions.

Second equally good source for as long as it stays as it is today, is YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/1riverofangels
which has the Beyond Human Video Series posted and many of the Exit Video’s They produced before exiting their physical vehicles.

On YouTube find a video series plus three other videos at:
http://www.youtube.com/3spm

I maintain a site at:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sawyer
where I have a year’s worth of podcasts free for listening and downloading plus many blog entries.

Next I maintain a blog at:
http://www.sawyerhg.wordpress.com

and then of course here on Facebook under:
http://www.facebook.com/sawyer.heavensgate

I have published some articles on:
http://www.nowpublic.com/swyody

There is also a stash of actual digitized audio tapes from the actual inside the classroom meetings. Most times Ti and Do met with the group of students it was taped. There are well over 400 hours of these tapes going back to 1980 where you can get a feel for Ti as she was with us til 1985 and Do during that time and thereafter. The quality is not good but it’s able to be heard. That site is currently provided by Carlan who was in the classroom for a short time in 1994 but who is a full believer advocate of all of Ti and Do’s teachings. When Carlan first put these tapes online they were for free download but since then (some years ago) 4shared has begun to charge to download. None of what they charge goes to Carlan. The address is: http://www.4shared.com/dir/14534948/45fa3e91/sharing.html

I would also suggest purchasing Rio’s book entitled: Beyond Human Mind though I don’t know where you can find it.

After that if you have questions I will try to help you by writing me an email at: sawyerhg@yahoo.com