Posts Tagged ‘spirit’

Sawyer’s Commentaries to Heavens Gate Podcasts by Pineapple Street Media

February 26, 2020
Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer
No Real Comparison of Jonestown suicides with Heaven’s Gate
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/27/no-real-comparison-of-jonestown-suicides-with-heavens-gate
Pineapple Street Episode 3 Judges TI a Hypocrite using a preconceived hypothesis based on rumors and broad assumptions
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/11/05/pineapple-press-episode-3-ti-is-called-a-hypocrite-with-a-manufactured-hypothesis-based-on-assumptions
Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 4 commentary by Sawyer
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/11/15/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-episode-4-commentary-by-sawyer
Pineapple Street Episode 5-The Tape from DO to Terrie – TI’s “daughter” comments by Sawyer
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/11/18/pineapple-press-episode-5-the-tape-comments-by-sawyer
Jesus-Rebuilding Temple in Jerusalem, Hiding, Miracles, Abandoning Children, When Two Witnesses Come
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/11/28/jesus-rebuilding-temple-in-jerusalem-hiding-miracles-abandoning-children-when-two-witnesses-come
X-Member of the Heaven’s Gate Cult claims Sawyer was not in touch with feelings “inner child”
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/12/17/x-member-of-the-heavens-gate-cult-claims-sawyer-was-not-in-touch-with-feelings
Brnody’s Overcoming and Health and “Heaven’s Gate” Classroom Food Overcoming and Dietary Longevity Research Summary
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/11/29/brnodys-overcoming-and-health-and-heavens-gate-classroom-food-overcoming-and-dietary-longevity-research-summary
Pineapple Street Heavens Gate Episode 6 x-member claims DO becomes Psychotic
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/12/17/pineapple-street-heavens-gate-episode-6-reaction-from-sawyer

Critique of Daily Mail article 12-15-2019

December 20, 2019
Here is an article that seems to be something reconfigured from the past to which I have followed with my commentary as there are many things said that are misleading and even outright wrong, so read them with a grain of salt until you read what I have to say about it, if you want to get a more objective picture of what’s true. To go right to what I wrote search for Sawyer:
Ex-Heaven‘s Gate members still ‘connect‘ with 39 victims
https://stockdailydish.com/ex-heavens-gate-members-still-connect-with-39-victims/
Posted by SDD Contributor on December 15, 2019 at 9:26 am
EXCLUSIVE – ‘We still connect to the Next Level‘: Surviving members of Heaven‘s Gate cult say they are in with 39 victims of mass-suicide who all believed they‘d be ‘transported to a higher level in a spaceship‘ 20 years ago.
When first responders answered a 911 call to an upmarket suburban California home on March 26, 1997, they could never have expected the shocking scene that awaited them: 39 bodies, carefully arranged, laid out under purple sheets, each person’s feet bedecked with trendy black Nike sneakers.
The unforgettable crime scene images would soon be seared into the public consciousness as it emerged that the deaths were the result of a mass suicide by a cult known as Heaven’s Gate – who believed they were travelling by space ship to a higher level. Videos recorded by wide-eyed leader Marshall Applewhite, 65, are still instantly recognizable 20 years later – as academics, the public and authorities still wonder about the largest mass suicide on US soil.
The website for the group, which ran a web design company, remains active to this day, maintained by two surviving members who provide information to people curious about the Heaven’s Gate beliefs – although they insist, as the 20th anniversary of the deaths approaches Sunday, that the group does not persist.
‘The Group came to an end in March, 1997,’ they wrote in an email to DailyMail. ‘There is nothing to join but the information is timeless.’
When asked whether they were still connected to or in with their deceased former comrades, however, they said: ‘Yes, we are still connected to the Next Level, when they are’ – without elaborating.
The website masters are reportedly a couple who left to get married, which was against Heaven’s Gate rules, but retained their association – and shared beliefs – with the group, even allegedly fighting to take possession of the items the late members left behind. They refused to confirm this information to DailyMail or divulge any other personal details. They did, however, say that they look forward to being reunited on another ‘level’ with the members who departed this world in 1997.
‘We hope to have the opportunity sometimes in the future but we do not know when that will happen,’ they told DailyMail. ‘Probably in our next reincarnation on this planet.
‘The simple understanding is that there is a real, physical level above the humans one here on earth. It is not a spiritual existence. It is real individuals, in real bodies, in real crafts taking care of the issues of their planet. The Next Level, as it is called, created this planet and all the life on it. The Next Level are the care takers of not only this planet but all the systems of the universe.
‘From that, all the other understandings follow. They periodically come down to this planet to check in on this civilizations development. The last time they took a very close up observation, in human form, was from about 1972 to 1997. The time before that was 2000 years ago. At those times they talk to those interested about the opportunity of the Next Level and how a very select few can enter into it only after a long period of transition and instruction.’
And while the cult’s unorthodox belief system and mass suicide shocked the world in 1997, it had been decades in the making.
The cult first began when Applewhite, a divorced father-of-two and son of a preacher who had tried his hand at everything from acting to running a deli, met nurse and middle-aged mother-of-four Bonnie Nettles in Houston in the early 1970s. They shared an immediate bond over their mutual interest in both biblical theology and the occult, and they began cobbling together their own belief system – eventually deciding that they were the ‘two witnesses’ mentioned in the Book of Revelation. They believed they were prophets for a God who was really an advanced extraterrestrial, that individuals could advance to an evolutionary level above human, and that the world would one day be ‘recycled.’ The pair believed that Jesus had been sent on a similar mission by this same celestial being.
On New Year’s Day, 1973, they set off across the country to share their beliefs and eventually garner hundreds of followers from across a vast socioeconomic and geographic spectrum. They left their former lives behind, including their respective children; during their initial travels, they ran out of money and would stop at blood banks for cash or routinely skip out on bills. At one point, Applewhite spent six months in jail in Missouri for auto theft after renting a car and simply driving off with it – before Do and Ti eventually disavowed stealing.
They distributed fliers and even took out newspaper ads as they continued their cross-country proselytizing mission, picking up followers along the way. The group would shift in name, belief system and number over the years, but always under the leadership of Applewhite and Nettles, who called themselves Pig and Guinea, Bo and Peep and, most famously, Do and Ti – in a fantastically close, platonic relationship. At one recruitment meeting in Los Angeles, they reportedly said: ‘We are The Two prophesied in Revelation. God has sent us here as an experiment, so you might call us Guinea and Pig.’
Members were kept to strict regiments as the group moved across the country, sometimes living at campsites, other times renting houses with funds often taken from a follower’s trust fund. Anyone joining was required to leave behind family, friends and possessions (although the trust fund made the cut) and to abstain from sex, drugs and other worldly pleasures; by the time of his death, Applewhite and several other male members had been voluntarily castrated. Everything was regulated, from their communal clothes – including underwear – to the length of their bathing time (six minutes using one gallon of water) to the size of their pancakes. They were allowed to work regular jobs in their areas of specialties outside the commune, however, generating more funds for the cult – and at the time of the suicides ran a computer company.
Applewhite and Nettles believed they would be killed for their beliefs and rise again three and a half days later in a ‘cloud’ or UFO, after which the world would be destroyed.
The group was never targeted or threatened by the government or anyone else, however, skewing their predictions of achieving resurrection through murder. Nettles instead died from cancer in 1985, again shaking the core belief system. Applewhite altered his ideas and came up with a new revelation after astronomers sighted the Hale-Bopp comet and, in November 1996, a photo emerged which appeared to show an object trailing in its wake. Applewhite announced this was a spaceship which would pick up the remaining followers if they cast aside their earthly bodies.
At the mansion the group then shared in Rancho Santa Fe, California, a suicide pact was formed.
Over three days, the members consumed a mixture of vodka and phenobarbital poison with pudding or apple sauce, then tied plastic bags over their heads. Each was dressed in black shirts and sweat pants, brand new black-and-white Nike Decade sneakers and armbands reading ‘Heaven’s Gate Away Team.’ The bodies all had a five dollar bill and three quarters in their pockets along with packed luggage at their sides.
As each shift of followers died, the remaining members removed the plastic bags and arranged the bodies before taking their own lives. The final death shift consisted of two members, left with no one to remove the bags or neatly array the bodies.
The victims ranged in age from 26 to 72. Some had been in the group for 22 years; others had left and come back when their outside world lives hit speed bumps or they simply continued to feel the Heaven’s Gate pull; others had been members for just a few years. Some were parents who, like Applewhite and Nettles, had left behind their children. Some members were dreamers and drifters, while the occupations of others ranged from bus driver to ex-paratrooper to paralegal to journalist.
They were discovered by another Heaven’s Gate member, Rio Di Angelo, who had planned to be the 40th body discovered in the mass suicide – right up until a few weeks beforehand, when he claims to have woken up with a feeling that he had something yet to do on Earth. So he left with the Applewhite’s blessing, he said, and after the suicides received a package with a videotapes and a map to the home where he would find them. He got a ride to Rancho Santa Fe, went inside and then alerted authorities.
The group had planned meticulously before they ingested the fatal concoction, making ‘exit’ videos explaining why they were making the decision – as well as preparing a press release for the media.
‘By the time you receive this, we’ll be gone – several dozen of us,’ it read. ‘We came from the Level Above Human in distant space and we have now exited the bodies that we were wearing for our earthly task, to return to the world from whence we came – task completed. The distant space we refer to is what your religious literature would call the Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom of God.
‘We came for the purpose of offering a doorway to the Kingdom of God at the end of this civilization, the end of this age, the end of this millennium. We came from that Level, that time, that space, and entered this one. And in so doing, we had to enter human bodies – which we did, for the most part, in the mid-seventies.
‘Now it was time for us to leave those bodies (vehicles) – bodies that we borrowed for the time we were here (by previous arrangement) for this specific task. The task was not only to bring in information about that Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human, but to give us the experience of working against the forces of what the human evolutionary level, at this time, has become. And while it was a good learning experience for us, it also gave all who ever received knowledge from that Kingdom an opportunity to recognize us and this information, and to even move out of the human level and into the Next Level or the Next Evolutionary Level, the “Kingdom of Heaven,” the Kingdom of God.
‘The Kingdom of God, the Level Above Human, is a physical world, where they inhabit physical bodies. However, those bodies are merely containers, suits of clothes – the true identity (of the individual) is the soul or mind/spirit residing in that ‘vehicle’. The body is merely a tool for that individual’s use – when it wears out, he is issued a new one.
‘No one can enter the Kingdom of Heaven by trying to live a good life in this world, and then, thinking that when this world’s life takes your body, you get to “go to heaven.” The only time that Next Kingdom can be entered is when there is a Member or Members of that Kingdom who have come into the human kingdom, incarnated as we have, offering clarification of that information.’
The website maintainers told DailyMail that they had been in the group for 12 years and ‘joined immediately after attending a meeting that Ti & Do held. Their truth was undeniable.’
They said interest continues in the group’s complicated belief system mixing traditional theology with its sci-fi-esque tenets.
‘We get an average of about 10-12 emails a day,’ they said. ‘They come from all over the world. We sell several books a year and give away about 40 or so free VHS tape sets. There is no dominate geographic area. More tapes and books go out domestically because of the cost of shipping internationally. The demos on this are very diverse.’
Survivor Rio Di Angelo, who was selected to discover the Heaven’s Gate bodies, also continues to espouse the group’s beliefs and remains in occasional with the website moderators, they say. To coincide with the tenth anniversary of the suicides in 1997, he released a statement, insisting: ‘I’m glad to be alive and planning to stay that way. I have a wonderful life with purpose. I am alive NOT because I rejected anything about Heaven’s Gate. I am alive because I have discovered something so extraordinarily important to the world that it needs to be passed on to you in its most true and accurate form from ME.’
He went on to explain the tenets of Heaven’s Gate, saying: ‘When there is a Representative from the Level Above Human (Heaven) here on Earth, you will be drawn to Him and His mission. You then will be taught the final lessons in a type of finishing school. These important lessons enable you to know how to create a Soul. A Soul is different than a Spirit. A human Spirit is Earth bond only. A Soul is “you” conscientiously choosing to evolve into a new creature that has the non-human ingredient needed for transition into the Level Above Human.
‘That Representative becomes your teacher and is the only one who can usher you into the higher level of existence. He knows how because He’s done it before.
‘This is my understanding of the mission that Jesus started. This is why He was here and said he would return.’
Confirming his three-year membership in Heaven’s Gate, he said: ‘I know everything worth knowing about them and I can say with absolute, undeniable certainty, that Heaven’s Gate was indeed “The Second Coming of Jesus.”’
He said: ‘I am against suicide and so was the group. What happened to Heaven’s Gate was an “EXIT,” “The end of the Spirit reincarnation process and the beginning of life as a Soul in the Level Above Human.”
‘They “EXITED” their bodies (vehicles) and are now with their Guide and Teacher in the Spirit world (the Valley of the Shadow of Death) helping mis-guided Spirits before their ascension.
‘I am here to bring you the truth and to clarify information for you to examine. Also, to help with understanding the next steps, after the “Second Coming,” if that is your choice. I am not here to convince you to do anything or to believe any of this. If it speaks to you, use it. If not, go on.’
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Sawyer’s critique:
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These are my corrections and additional explanations to this article.
1) There are no “surviving members of the Heaven’s Gate cult.” There are only former student members like myself and others and like these two webmasters who are managing the web site. All former members are dropouts who failed to make the steep qualifying grade to have remained in the group, though at the time we each left the group, whether voluntarily or not, because these two were dismissed because they didn’t want to follow the instructions and lesson step that was labeled “I could be wrong” that was designed to eliminate one’s dependence upon self by recognizing that wherever a decision needs to be made, one’s opinion might be wrong, relative to what the teachers TI and DO would choose to do.
This is a lesson to learn because working in a crew on a physical spacecraft laboratory of different kinds and sizes, with some as large as planets, Next Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human Members are crew minded and they love it (just like many humans love being part of a great team). DO described the crews as being like a Star Trek crew minus human behaviors and ways, thus no sexuality as they don’t procreate (nor die) nor are there gender roles or comparisons because they have no gender. They have outgrown gender and sexuality both in their Mind and in any kind of identity with the human physical vehicles they took over while a student working towards Next Level Membership. Ti and Do referred to a human vehicles sexual and/or gender identifications as “plumbing.”
This stating of “I could be wrong” designed to use a phrase like that in front of or behind or in the middle of any statement of opinion was the lesson step mechanism that by exercising was overriding the vehicles self confidence in it’s opinion and that lesson step was not something these webmasters wanted to abide by so DO had each of the student in the group at that time express to these two that they were being dismissed from the classroom until such time that they wanted to abide by that lesson step, when they could return. Their choice to not abide by it was not any worse relative to those Classroom teachings as my choice to not accept DO’s help because of the way I gave into sexuality with myself that I wasn’t conquering to the degree I needed to, to qualify to graduate into the Next Level. Each dropout had their own lesson step they didn’t choose to work on at the time they were in the classroom. The only difference between these two webmasters and some others was that they didn’t directly choose to leave the classroom where I did and others did over the years. (However, there were 19 students who Ti and Do sent out of the larger classroom unit that numbered at the time about 100 students, which happened in the fall of 1976. Some of those found the Classroom again in the early 1980’s by seemingly coincidental circumstances, so rejoined then).
Since these Two still believed in TI and DO as their Older Members from the Next Level, but didn’t want to rejoin when they were given the option in 1994 that I witnessed, when DO was ready to leave he asked them if they wanted to do some tasks for them. They didn’t know at the time what they were planning. I did know of the planned exit, as DO brought up the premise of taking it upon ourselves to exit our vehicles (by our own hand) directly in late August of 1994 after we finished about 9 months of public meetings across the U.S., after having increased our numbers by almost double the 24 members we were down to by mid 1993. (However some left after that so the numbers ended up at 38 students plus 4 who laid down their vehicles lives in the year or two after the large body of student did with DO in March of 1997.
Yes it was the Souls of the vehicles who upon completion of their task of overcoming the behaviors and ways of the human kingdom – aka taking full control over the vehicles they had a hand in choosing from the vehicles birth that would be taken on board a spacecraft that was close on hand. However, they all preferred for it to go a different way, they said which is why they packed bags for travel and had a tiny bit of money on each of their possession in case TI (DO’s Older Member, aka DO’s Heavenly Father in religious terms) chose to take them with their human vehicles, like in case TI wanted them to do a task somewhere else on earth that required having a human vehicle. DO didn’t know what other usage TI would have for their human vehicles since it’s the Soul that graduates into Next Level Membership. Ti and Do had taught years before, even in the late 1970’s that another way they might exit the task is by the Next Level taking our human vehicles and putting them on a table on a spacecraft next to the new Next Level dense physical vehicle they were going to be awarded for their efforts so the Soul could be moved into the new vehicle. By the way the New physical vehicle would not be one made of human like flesh. It would be grown on a vine to adulthood (as there are no children vehicles in the Next Level). Another way they talked about exiting our vehicles could have been by their being killed by humans who hated them for what they were teaching, like an irate Christian who could see them as antichrist, though they would be totally wrong as what Ti and Do taught and did was 100% in line with everything Jesus taught.
Jesus instructed his closest students that they must lay down their vehicles lives while in service to Him and His Older Member (Heavenly Father) He was operating as One with, though his Older Member (named TI this time) was a different person. He described their doing so in the same way He was demonstrating by telling the truth about the Next Level’s reality to those who didn’t want to hear the updates who as they hated Him would also hate them for speaking.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Here Jesus was talking in such a way that today if heard people would say he was promoting suicide. Humans think that humans killed Jesus and they did but only killed his human vehicle and weren’t able to kill his Soul that then healed the vehicle enough to demonstrate that it wasn’t a spirit his students saw. TI said that it was characteristic for a Member of the Next Level (Soul) to heal a human vehicle that became damaged in 3 1/2 human days if that’s the task they had to do. TI didn’t have that task as TI knew from the beginning that she was here to get DO started and then would go back. When TI would tell him this in their early years together he wondered what she meant by going back. They at first thought they would go back together. DO said he couldn’t imagine TI was meaning she would go back to be with her human family again. So at the time he put that idea on the back burner. When her vehicle died and TI didn’t try to heal it DO knew then what she was referring to – her return to her Next Level station on a spacecraft to oversee the completion of the task DO was to finish without his Older Member’s physical presence. TI’s exit is demonstrated in Revelation 12 as DO told us the Woman was TI and as is described about TI’s exit would occur by the “earth opening it’s mouth,” an old expression for going into the grave/dying.
So DO was preparing for whatever option Ti chose to take and as we know that ended up being allowing them to go through that difficult step of laying down their vehicles to the vehicles death – all knowing that they were not their vehicles, knowing because of previous experiences of those Souls that were with Jesus (DO’s previous incarnate task) that the death of the human vehicle was not the death of the Soul. To humans without that experience it seemed like they were committing suicide but to them suicide would have been to not go with the instructions DO received from TI on how to exit when the time was determined to do so. DO and Crew wrote that They taught that for a human to kill their own vehicle is much different as humans as well as TI and DO’s classroom members needed their human vehicles to learn lessons through but that they were done with their lessons.
They wrote that for a human to commit suicide was wrong, a waste because they didn’t want to deal with hard lessons would be short circuiting their progress towards graduating into the Next Level at a future time. It doesn’t mean that someone in the human kingdom who commits suicide does not get saved for another lesson time, but by committing suicide they flunked out learning all the lessons they needed to learn.
2) Saying ‘We still connect to the Next Level’ if that’s all they said about it, is misleading. There is no direct connect. At best it’s like picking up the telephone and knowing Their address/phone number – in this case, the distant deep space “heavens” and knowing who they are trying to contact – TI and DO, and leaving a “voicemail” asking a question or asking for strength to conquer an addiction or asking to learn the truth about something or asking how to be of greater service and then hanging up and then putting out a repeated effort to discover/identify answers to those questions that mostly will come through what are seen as normal human channels, like in the news or from people we know or don’t know, or by having an ideas of something to do or try that might yield answers. Answers would never be something that would harm ourselves or anyone else in any way to do but will always be things to do that are reversible and even be things that may show us that we asked the wrong question or could show us that what we were asking for is not really what we want and/or need. When They respond to us, we can have a sense of their reply through these ordinary channels but we won’t be certain it’s Them responding. There won’t be voices in one’s head telling us to do or not do something though one can have a feeling in that regard. I believe it is possible when asking to get a sense of an answer right away.
This is also applicable to anyone. Jesus taught it as the Lords Prayer, meant to be an outline of how to talk to the Next Level (Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the literal heavens). It was meant to be a private petition for help in some way not to be made into group prayers that just bolster people’s sense of being holy in appearances.
Now if someone doesn’t know the “address” (deep outer space) or to whom they are seeking an answer from, as Jesus instructed directing our petition to “our Father in the heavens” there are any number of spirits – discarnate – deceased human minds that love to step in to be someones’ “god” or “jesus” because they died believing they were in that role to other humans as intercessors so they continue to try to operate in that way in the discarnate condition. That’s why we hear of people saying Jesus or God told me to do it, even some horrible harming of another human being. An answer would never be inconstant with the behaviors and ways taught by the Next Level through their incarnate servants over the millennium, mostly through Moses and Jesus in this current civilization but potentially through a different part of the experiment as seen in Hinduism and/or Buddhism for example.
3) It was a purple shawl draped over each of the deceased vehicles of those Students not a sheet. That event was about the only time over my experience of being with them for 19 years that symbolism was used in that direct kind of way for the sake of those who would discover their vehicles. They didn’t spell out what the various symbolism was in the use of the Nike (slogan: Just DO It) sneakers. By the way the word “nike” in the New Testament Greek, means, “to overcome, conquer, gain victory over” the human kingdom “world” as Jesus taught was required for everyone who was to experience a “Spirit/Mind Birth” which is what I believe we all were witnessing happening.
4) It’s a misguided opinion without evidence for the writer of this article to say it was a “crime scene”. The San Diego Chief of police and the coroners office both said there was no evidence of fowl play. It’s was eerie for them but peaceful and they left a number of statements and video footage “exit video’s” where most all of the student members of the group said something about what they were about to do and how it was joyous to do so (as hard as that is for many to  accept, I can attest that they were telling the truth about the way they felt and how DO carefully spent years making sure each student was fully cognizant of what they were doing. There was no coercion, no pressure, no guilting, no carrot held before them (in a way that was a lure). In fact it was contrary to that. It was hard to stay in the group though not because the difficulty was that apparent, except for those that had doubts they didn’t choose to combat. There is a great deal to say about this, some of which is outlined in my blog post:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/
5) The “higher level” was described by TI and DO as The Evolutionary Level Above Human, The Kingdom Level Above Human and in short The Next Level. It was compared to the human evolutionary level scientifically (physically and mentally) with the way there is on earth a Mineral Kingdom, Plant Kingdom, Animal Kingdom and Human Kingdom to where the Human Kingdom was not the end of “evolution” (not Darwinian evolution). They taught that the human kingdom was designed to be a “stepping stone” into membership in the Next Level. They described the Next Level as physical and many membered but not as many members as in the human kingdom. They said their numbers were in the thousands. Members are actually graduate Souls. A Soul is a container that is of a plasma like physical consistency (unlike a Spirit that is etheric – a frequency construct). Souls are deposited into selected human vehicles that were picked to be a match for a returning Soul’s lesson requirements to qualify to graduate the human kingdom. There are different types of souls and all souls that are deposited don’t survive the process to graduate. One type of Soul is deposited in selected human vehicles who are going to host a returning Soul that had grown some in a previous incarnation while with an incarnate Older Member like Moses and/or Jesus, while another type of soul is deposited for a first timer entering the program during the time when one or more Older Members is in the flesh (incarnate).
There are humans right now, following the 1997 exit who have received Souls, perhaps even one of either type who are able to take their next step towards graduation that wouldn’t take the shape of laying down their human vehicles by their own hand because the Older Member isn’t physically present anymore to know whether that is right for them to do. That’s why Suicide isn’t supported by the Next Level as we need to have our human vehicles to proceed with our overcoming lesson steps that are right for us now. Suicide for us would be not taking advantage of the opportunity to learn difficult lessons while in the human kingdom. No matter how someone dies their spirit and/or soul is judged by the Next Level as to when and where their next opportunity to graduate will be. Next Level Members are very fair but it’s never a human vehicle that graduates into Next Level membership. It’s always the Soul that graduates. Upon entrance into Next Level membership, each graduate is awarded a newly grown dense physical vehicle (not dense like human flesh is dense) that is grown on a vine (like a plant) to maturity. There are no children vehicles in the Next Level though there are Older and Younger Members. Time is not the determination of Old or Young. Experience is what defines an Older or Younger Member. Members don’t wear their experience like humans do, like in the military with hash marks and ranks but Members can recognize an Older Member among them as it’s a quality of Mind they feel. I can relate to that in what I felt from TI and DO. It wasn’t what they said that identified them to me as Above and Beyond Human (though that was part of the conscious recognition). I subconsciously felt their Above Human Stature. That can be explained as the Soul having both been helped to have that recognition and/or having gained that recognition from a previous lifetime of experience with an incarnate Older Member. Souls come with a “chip of recognition” (like a computer chip that has certain programs that provide a certain amount of identification of what is true – what makes sense that another human may not have or may not have awakened to yet but that anyone who wants to have it can be given if they ask for it, so no one is left out from growing towards Next Level Membership).
6) Some media have reported that the ones running the Heavensgate website were “surviving members” but that was an erroneous way of describing them. To be a surviving member means they would have left the human kingdom with the 39. Those left behind by their own choices (including me) are not necessarily going to survive the recycling. TI did say that all [Souls] who came back with them would return to the Next Level’s keeping to have another opportunity to be in a human or human equivalent kingdom to finish their overcoming process. That might take the shape of being “saved” “on ice” DO called it, though said that wasn’t literal ice. It’s true there is no group anymore though there are new believers who DO left instructions for how to grow further with the overall requirement to be “saved” from the upcoming recycling being:
“In order to get saved for further planting, the overriding requirement is to recognize that this is true (these are the facts).  You must believe that we represent the Kingdom that created this planet and all of its inhabitants.  And you must be willing to take a stand in defense of that belief, and sustain that stand until the end – your departure – regardless of the consequences.”
This is not the complete formula to qualify for graduation into significant or elementary service in the Next Level after a student’s vehicle dies. That formula is stated as:
“The formula is the same now as it always has been.  To begin a metamorphosis in order to be born into the Next World, you must abandon everything of this world (just as the caterpillar about to become a butterfly must do).  You must separate and begin to wean yourself of all mammalian ways – ties and addictions – replacing them with the ways and behavior of a more advanced and refined level of life.  You cannot do it by yourself.  You must seek, to the best of your ability, the guidance of a Representative who is a member of that kingdom, who has been through the metamorphic process at a previous time, and who has been sent with the specific task of midwifing newborns.  Or, at very least, you attempt to connect with an active “student” of a present Representative.  This is an extremely rare opportunity, as we approach the End of the Age.  There is a tiny remnant left of a window for catching the eye of the “caretakers of this world.”
(These quotes came from the Heaven’s Gate Book, ‘How and When “Heaven’s Gate” (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered’ in the document entitled, “”Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure” written on TI and DO’s behalf by the elder student named Jwnody (June-ody)).
7) The two webmasters are not saying enough in my opinion to more accurately portray the Next Level Members relationship to Their planet earth experiment for growing Souls upon by saying; “They periodically come down to this planet to check in on this civilizations development.” The truth is that the Next Level is constantly working with the humans on their planet though only periodically send their Older Members and Crew to incarnate to help move a Class to it’s next lesson steps. When Representatives come they don’t just talk to those who are interested. They prepare individuals (Souls and vehicles) to recognize the Older Member by His words and vibration so they can move forward a step towards a graduation. They are very busy the whole time. There is nothing casual about it as they seemed to imply by saying they “check in”, It’s a major project.
Yes “few” are selected but many are called (said Jesus) but the time period of receiving instructions isn’t automatically assumed to be long as the Next Level never holds anyone back (as humans do one another) so some can grow very quickly.
In the current civilization this took the shape of three trimester periods starting the first trimester (before that was the prep time for the first trimester) during the time recorded as Moses and the Children of Israel (the Overcomers).
The second trimester was when the graduation formula was laid out by Jesus – separating from human family and giving all one’s Mind, Heart, Soul and Strength to the Next Level through the most currently incarnate (present) Older Member, in our case now to DO (who TI instructed students to make our commitment to, as she said she came to help get him started).
8) DO said that the only thing He and TI had in common at first when they met was a “love for their Heavenly Father”. They didn’t then go about “cobbling together their own belief system” – ideas came to them individually but at the same time that when they compared notes on those ideas they matched.
At first in 1973 they each realized they (Their Minds) each came from The Evolutionary Level Above Human, a physical many membered kingdom (in the records described as The Kingdom of God in the literal heavens (outer space)), and were here on earth to take over the human vehicles prepared for Them to, “bring updates to the Bible” and to “fulfill prophecy”. It was months later through seeking and searching that they recognized the prophecies they were to fulfill were outlined in the Book of Revelation, chapter 11 having to do with the Two Witnesses.  Ti originated the short phrase of “Next Level” because for humans it was their next step in evolution (not Darwinian) by their efforts to abide by all the Older Members taught and demonstrated in Next Level behaviors and ways.
Years after having a classroom DO told us that TI was the “woman” in Revelation chapter 12. Other than that they didn’t teach from the bible at all though would occasionally mention something Jesus or Moses taught. They said we could trust the records of what Jesus said in the four “gospel” accounts because a Next Level Crew worked very hard to make sure his words were still accurate for our benefit.
TI told us that DO was the same Soul who performed the tasks of: Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus.
TI and DO taught that every Member of the Next Level was a “God” relative to humans because the Kingdom of God was a kingdom level above human with the comparison of the relationship of a dog to a human – a kingdom level of differences. Jesus described this same idea saying that among humans John the Baptist was the greatest human but that the youngest member of the Kingdom of God was above him. (I surmise that the Soul in the vehicle named John the Baptist had not yet graduated into adult membership in the Next Level before that time but was more experienced than any of the other of his students so was given a different task from the others appropriate to his needed growth).
TI and DO did say that the most experienced Member of the Next Level was the “Chief of Chiefs” but that we wouldn’t begin to understand more about where he came from until we were in the Next Level because the human brain wasn’t capable of understanding that. DO said that TI was Chief Administrator of the Earth project which they called an “astronaut training program” for Souls. (Souls are physical containers, DO at first called a “pillow case” or a “pocket” and then in 1994 compared it’s physicality to being “like a plasma” state of matter.
9) I believe it’s misinformation that Ti and Do and/or students stopped at blood banks and/or routinely skipped out on bills. It’s possible that some of those early would be students in 1975 stopped at a blood bank but that wasn’t necessarily approved by TI and DO. I have a lot of reasons to think it wasn’t approved by TI and DO. Here’s some of the reasons I say that. When the group I was in (at a time when groups had very limited contact with TI and DO in those early days in 1975 and 1976 we sometimes went into dumpsters behind a grocery store or donut place to find food that still looked good. When Ti and Do later found out about that, they disapproved entirely as I suspect they might have said about going to blood banks. Our instruction then for meeting our food and gasoline and sometimes shelter needs during that remaining  6 or so months of our public meeting period of time was to “test churches” because the churches claimed to be working for God that included feeding the hungry when asked and we were working for God and so should be given help in that regard. They never told us to ask for money. No pan handling or selling roses or anything on street corners as the Moonies did. We simply would go to a church, find a pastor and ask for help with our needs of food and/or gasoline to continue our mission and/or lodging if need be (though we were equip to sleep outdoors in tents in the decent weather).
re: DO’s felony conviction:
The charges against DO were dropped. They rented a car using one of DO’s old credit cards he still had with him but wasn’t using til then. When they didn’t return the car on time it was reported stolen. TI and DO said they sent letters to the rental car company explaining that they would pay for it (though they didn’t know how but were so taken with their task they hoped the Next Level would help them in that regard). When the rental car company got the car back they dropped the charges but the DA in St. Louis knowing of their unusual story decided to take up the case to make easy points for his  re-election bid (DO felt). After 6 months in jail DO’s case was to come to trial and DO was offered a plea of guilty or go to trial and take his chances. So he coped a plea because it meant he would get out of jail right away since the sentence was 4 months and he already served 6 months. They never approved of stealing and They regretted renting the car but felt they had instructions to do so. Perhaps the Next Level wanted DO to appear to be a “thief in the night” as it said would be the modus operandi of the return of “Jesus” in his new incarnation with a new name.
re: the accusation of “skipping out on bills”; there is only one indication that this may have happened. When TI and DO were out of money and were traveling in late 1973 the report was that they stayed at a motel somewhere east of St. Louis before they rented the car. This was reported by the motel owner who said these two alleged to be TI and DO left a note in the motel room that said something about how the motel owners were helping members of the Kingdom of God. TI and DO never told this story but they didn’t tell every little thing they did in those early years to everyone in the class necessarily. The note they left when I looked at it did make me suspect that TI and DO wrote it but I could be wrong.
10) The group never “shifted in name” nor “belief system”. Some things they believed at first changed but not entirely. In 1997 they still believed it possible they could be picked up with their human vehicles by a spacecraft and preferred that exit rather than laying down their vehicles lives. One can also see this thinking in their packing a travel bag, I suspect with the idea that if TI wanted to take them with their vehicles (and even heal their vehicles) they would be ready to be given another task on earth. TI and DO had once talked about tasks Next Level Members could have on earth. There was a report one time of two people going into a café or something like that in the 1970’s and they were reported as looking very strange and described as wearing a clothing fashion from the 1930’s which made them stand out. TI said if those were Next Level Members that crew needed to do a better job with getting more up to date clothing.
11) By the time we were living in houses, trust fund monies had dried up and about a dozen of us got jobs in the world to pay the bills. Yes we were required to leave all behind but that didn’t mean bring no money with us. They also needed cars since the modus operandi was to go city to city holding public meetings that lasted for about 9 months starting in August of 1975 though for TI and DO can be shown to have lasted for the 1260 days described in Revelation chapter 11 re: the time period the Two Witnesses would be speaking publicly.
Bathing time was 12 minutes not 6 minutes – it was 6 minutes on the shower side and 6 minutes on the lavatory side.
TI and DO ran the organization like a laboratory as if it was on a Next Level physical spacecraft like a Star Trek crew without human behaviors and ways, so no sexuality nor children to take care of nor personal likes and dislikes as we all needed to become crew minded so yes there were many procedures that developed over the years including the size of a pancake a crew was making for others.
TI and DO used the human daily needs of our vehicles for the lab lessons. In a Next Level laboratory every detail of what we do and how to do it can be very important to the successful fulfillment of the task. Having standards like in pancake size became important to have a consistent experiment. Food was thought of as fuel not as something to gain a sensuous experience from preparing or consuming, though they wanted it to be prepared well and to be tasty but they were the lab instructors and we were the voluntary students so these things were not a negative in any regard unless a student was rebellious in which case perhaps that was a sign they didn’t want to be in the group and at times some such procedure became the straw to break the camels back, so to speak, so that someone chose to leave, sometimes in the middle of the night since there were no locks on the doors to exiting and no one watching everyone all night long.
12) The timing of the recycling was never talked about nor used as a threat or made into a prediction, just a reality that was upcoming as the experiment is completed and each human has decided what they believe or not before they die.
It didn’t matter to most of the fully dedicated to TI and DO students (such as myself) that the “demonstration” might not happen, when they told us they felt the being killed in the street prophecy took place when the national media broke the story of the disappearance of many people from the Waldport, OR meeting and subsequent rumors abounded as to where they went and whether they were abducted and/or to be killed. I was among the Waldport followers and we were never in harms way in the least. So TI and DO, then Peep and Bo names were seen as evil abductors of people, hence when they learned of their human vehicles names were crucified by the press on national TV by Walter Cronkite and all the networks as charlatans, etc. When TI and DO told us of this change in interpretation of the shooting in the streets scenario they understood if people didn’t want to follow them because the demonstration of resurrecting a first was a big part of what they expected to demonstrate. But for the most part, including me, it had no bearing on my wanted to follow them. They never actually dropped that there might be a demonstration and DO even wondered if our holding public meetings again in 1994 saying this time that DO was the return of the same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named “Jesus” would stimulate some irate Christians to bring about our exit from our vehicles as happened 2000 yrs ago. That might still happen as I speak in December of 2019 and thereafter by the hands of govt and/or religious and/or by atheists as this tribulation time period escalates. Already there are democrats writing laws to make it a criminal offense to refuse to vaccinate. How much will that movement grow?
13) TI’s vehicle’s dying in 1985 didn’t shake the “core belief system” of most of the students and shook none of the students who laid down their lives in 1997, nor mine at the time since I was present for. I recognized TI and DO right from the start as a number of students in the exit video’s said. That recognition was very real though can’t be explained by the often primitive human sciences because many of those folks don’t know that there is a spirit/mind and/or Soul that is very real that exists before and after it’s in the flesh experience. It’s similar to the idea of reincarnation but not exactly as there aren’t a set number of souls that exist who return over and over as there is a genetic Spirit that develops from each new human vehicle that grows from it’s genetic and environmental starting mind/spirit from ancestors through parents and care givers and then from society. They don’t really re-incarnate except for the way a computer software program can be developed on one computer and then moved to another one, which is taking place for all humans as the hardware having many spirits time sharing each new human biological computer system. The only reality to reincarnation is when the Next Level brings Souls back to take over new human vehicles to continue their lesson plan to graduate the human kingdom. Jesus taught this would happen upon his return which is still in progress since TI and DO evidence being the teaching part of that return with DO fulfilling the task as the return of the same Soul who was in the vehicle named Jesus in the 1990’s but when he had his students do all the talking about so didn’t change the public prophecy period of 1260 days in Revelation 11 as one of the Two Witnesses with his Older Member (Father) TI.
The media portrays TI’s leaving her vehicle before they initially thought would happen as some big shaking up of students and for a few perhaps it did so they left but for the core strongest students it was somewhat surprising but didn’t shake their core beliefs at all or they would have also left. We actually had notice this might happen in about 1983 when TI had her eye removed which was said to be cancer then. TI and DO by then had already prepared the class for their potential departure before us though they still thought they would both leave together.
What’s interesting is how Revelation chapter 12 outlines the classrooms start to finish in 1997, to now even and that during that time period the “woman” (who DO said was referring to TI) would be helped to escape the flood of negativity from the Luciferian (dragon) Space Alien Fallen Angel Souls which includes all the humans who were sending negativity to her and DO by “opening it’s (earth’s) mouth” – a saying related to someone dying and being buried:
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
A “flood” represents the negative thoughts and feelings being sent to her by humans and Space Aliens against them from all over the US and world even. It’s interesting that after TI left her vehicle he felt like he then knew what TI had said to him in the very beginning that “I’m here to get you started and then I’m going back” was referring to her leaving her incarnation ahead of him. So TI knew it though didn’t know how it would play out. They said all along that their vehicles would die and that they would resurrect. They at first thought their resurrection would be public but knew by 1978 that it might not go that way. (I have three witnesses to these things I am saying now).
Then in verse 12:17 it implies the woman is no longer in the picture and that the testing is being put upon her “seed” – those “she” seeded – deposited with Soul containers, which includes DO because DO got his membership in the Next Level through TI (who he recognized as his Older Member, not because TI told him so) which completes the real trinity of Father to Son to Student via their Holy Spirit/Mind that is like the blood of all members of the Next level to be the instruments of.
14) DO (Applewhite) didn’t alter his ideas – He actually said that TI “burned out her vehicle” dealing with the world’s negativity the included from Their students and of course from the loved ones of the students that were sending such negative thoughts to them.
The Hale Bopp comets arrival with or without a companion object was not a “new revelation” at all. In fact DO said it was the “marker” He and TI had been anticipating since at least 1975 to pick them and their qualifying students up. (DO (AppleWhite) never said the alleged companion object was a spacecraft. What he said was that it was irrelevant whether it was or was not a spacecraft – that the comet was the “marker” for the timing of the exit they had been planning since 1975 and in earnest since 1994 since he knew by the human responses to the second period of about 9 months of public meetings around the US that they wouldn’t be exiting their vehicles because of irate Christians who would see them as the antichrist.
15) They weren’t wearing “armbands”. They were patches which read “Heaven’s Gate Away Team”.
16) Rio, in the group named Neody wrote in his book, “Beyond Human Mind – The Soul Evolution of Heaven’s Gate” that he never intended to lay down his life but was waiting until the last moment to leave. (He knew of the plan from just months after he joined in around March of 1994, because DO talked about it several times before I left the group and then they prepared to leave thereafter over the course of 2+ years, thus saying he “had planned to be the 40th body discovered in the mass suicide” seems to be misinformation in this article or something Rio didn’t recall in his book. They (we) were in the San Clemente warehouse “craft” in September of 1994 when I recall DO bringing up the prospect of leaving by our own hand (for the second direct time).
Here’s what Rio says in his book “Beyond Human Mind – The Soul Evolution of Heaven’s Gate”: (speaking about when DO asked us whether we’d be willing to exit our vehicles by our own hand on page 48 Rio writes)…
“I went along with the idea and possibility of DO being the “Second Coming” just for learning purposes. I knew that leaving the body behind was not for me but wanted to stay until the end.”
Yes he left with DO’s blessing but not to perform another task because DO waited for him to instigate wanting to leave. Thus DO recognized that TI knew of Rio’s plan, but since Rio still wanted to serve (like the webmasters did) DO felt to have him shop the movie they had been working on and let him be the one to find the bodies (though they also sent instructions to Rkkody (I think it was) about their exit plan), in case Rio changed his mind. I never heard that Rio got a map in the mail. He lived in that house for some months so I doubt he wouldn’t have known how to find them but I suppose DO’s crew could have sent him a map to cover their bets or in case the instruction fell into someone elses hands. Even though that was all unlikely to go that route DO was covering his bets to be thorough about how it might work.
17) re: the part of the report citing Rio’s statements:
Everyone on earth will not be drawn to a future incarnate Older Member from the Next Level any more than all humans were drawn to TI and DO in the 70’s to date. Their classroom in the future will only be a “finishing school” for those who have gone through the “process” of overcoming their humanness. DO said that even some of the 38 students who laid down their human vehicles lives would need to return to finish their overcoming. We humans – students of the Next Level Older Members or not nor Space Alien Souls know how to create a soul”\ or how to destroy a soul. Only the Next Level can create a Soul or destroy a Soul. A soul is a container created by the Next Level. It has a plasma type of physicality and is deposited into selected human vehicles that the Next Level determines can be a “match” for the needed growth of returning Souls to qualify to graduate the human condition through. What we do create is what we choose to do with the Mind/Spirit – information, behaviors and ways provided to us from the Next Level that can grow our soul but it always remains an option and all don’t succeed and it during this civilization was structured to occur over thousands of earth years, a short time in the Next Level since they are out of time.
Rio was mistaken to say “I know everything worth knowing about them…” as I can attest to, there is always more we can come to know about Them – TI and DO. No one on earth knows everything worth knowing about them. Rio said in his book that he didn’t know if DO was the return of the same Soul as was in Jesus. By the 10 year mark after they left it seems he changed his mind about that, which is fine but he also said things at that 10 year mark that was off track, some of which I pointed out to him. Like he said he had a “ticker tape connection” with DO but we never and TI and DO never had a ticker tape connection. That portrays a connection that is very exact and it’s not that it couldn’t be. It just seemed too certain and even TI and DO had a check and balance system to their connection before they would determine an instruction having come from their Older Member.
TI and DO always said from the start that they were not “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the human vehicle prepared for an Older Member Soul to take over to perform that task through. For the teaching part of the task that vehicle was not coming back. TI and Do stated in a statement they wrote in the back of the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary that Jesus would return as part of the 7th and last “closeness” where they TI and DO were the Ones who returned as the 6th Closeness. That 7th closeness would seem to be depicted in Revelation chapter 19 that Christians often think is the description of the entire return, since no one seems to get that the Two Witnesses are the Father and Son both returning for the teaching incarnate period where the final return is not a teaching time according to DO. It appears from Revelation chapter 6 that there is a time upcoming when people will see DO’s “face” in association with even an armada of spacecrafts in the near heavens – to see with the naked eye, like the biggest comets can be seen. When that occurs depending on how apparent it is and how many people can actually physically see it and understand it seems to be based on who comes to know about TI and Do since their exit in 1997 and thereafter. Otherwise some might see the Armada in the near heavens as Space Aliens or Humans or as cgi because before that it seems DO thought the Luciferian space aliens would trick many humans with holograms like Fatima to try to steal souls from seeing the truth.
DO did go public as the ‘Undercover “Jesus”‘ in his publish of a document with that title to a number of newgroups on the world wide web in 1995 that I believe was the 6th Thunder (roar) as forecast in Revelation chapter 10. The reason Jesus was in quotes because the name is the name given to the human physical body He – The Older Member Soul took over to perform his task for his Older Member (Heavenly Father (not incarnate then)) through. He was undercover because no human would know it was him unless they were prepared by the Next Level to recognize him since humans can’t ordinarily see a Soul nor can necessarily see a spirit/mind – discarnate with occasional exceptions in part.
I don’t believe the Christian phrase “Second Coming” is over until the recycling is fully underway so I don’t know what Rio is referring to by saying he can “help with understanding the next steps, after the “Second Coming”…’
Any steps any of us can take now are laid out in the Heaven’s Gate Book and/or through the Beyond Human – The Last Call video tape series and in the hundreds of internal classroom audio meeting tapes that are available for free download in different ways for those that ask Carlan (Crlody – Classroom name) or me – Sawyer – (Swyody – Classroom name). My email address is: sawyerhg@yahoo.com
I also have a facebook page: sawyer.heavensgate and a blog: sawyerhg.wordpress.com and a youtube channel where I do weekly livestreams under the channel name: 3spm

TI and DO Classroom Meeting Transcript Links

December 4, 2019
The Heaven’s Gate Book contains the transcripts of the Beyond Human Video tape series
Here is what I have that’s been posted on my blog:
TI and DO Audio Transcript 005 – Program for Perfect Health by Meditation to Eliminate Stress
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/13/ti-and-do-audio-transcript-005-program-for-perfect-health-by-meditation-to-eliminate-stress/
TI and DO transcript #53 – Lessons on Following Instructions as a Member of the Next Level Would
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/05/12/ti-and-do-transcript-53-lessons-on-following-instructions-as-a-member-of-the-next-level-would/
TI and DO transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/05/06/ti-and-do-audio-transcript-215-re-establishing-the-committal-05-09-85/
TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA – 5-22-94 parts 1 and 2
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/24/do-audio-transcript-combo-mt-cross-ca-parts-1-and-2-5-22-94/
Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled – transcript from Do’s videotape
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/
TI and DO – #95 – Listing Our Task – 02-14-1984 (audio transcription)
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/29/ti-and-do-listing-our-task-02-14-1984-audio-transcription/

Allegiance to Ti and Do – not based on Their fulfillments of prophecy in the Book of Revelation

August 29, 2019
Crlody’s comment of DO’s statement put on Sawyer’s YouTube channel (3spm) re: a livestream that focused on the Book of Revelation:
“It’s no basis for our allegiance to our task. And it shouldn’t be to you. If you can think of it in that light, and just simply be amused by it, because we’re not trying to lock in on what we’re doing with fulfillment of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation, or Isaiah, or anyplace else, or Daniel”.-Do, Beyond Human Session 11
Sawyer’s reply:
The Book of Revelation or any other records never were the basis of my allegiance to TI and DO’s task. My allegiance to Ti and DO’s task They gave to “us,” that started in 1975 for me, was never based on the Revelation at all and it’s still not.
However, it was after the Beyond Human tapes that DO began being more forward to the public with regard to “our” position that “we” were the return of the same Souls who were The Father and Jesus and Their students.
This is clearly evidenced in a number of audios but perhaps the clearest is in the Portland, OR meeting tapes made in the spring of 1994.
In that tape, Rkkody asks a question of DO along the lines of… should we start standing on street corners holding up a sign or poster like the ones of those produced by DO and Class that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book. (That say DO and Students are the return of the Soul who used the vehicle named Jesus about 2000 years ago and His Students).
Also in that tape, DO tells the class, that included new students, that they should get familiar with the scriptures so they can speak to people with some background and that we might need to get that bold if they continue to ignore us.
I’m fulfilling some of that – helping to give anyone who is interested a great deal of evidence to set the records straight as DO also said in slightly different words, that Christians were the biggest group of people that were prepared for Jesus’ return.
DO on that occasion and other occasions in the Beyond Human series and in a big way did talk about key topics that are only found in the Book of Revelation, like Armageddon in the document He wrote called:

“TIME TO DIE FOR GOD
Or
Armageddon which side are you on”
Also in the document he wrote, (I believe after I left the class in 1994), named:
“THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS PROMOTE LIES-UNKNOWINGLY”
(because they were bombarded by Lucifer and his helpers) and hardly stood a chance, which means they have a chance):
 
“Now, before departure via a “NEXT LEVEL” mothership, my students and I will be assisting my Father and His other Next Level helpers in their WAR against these lies – this serious misinformation – perpetuated mainly by the so-called CHRISTIANS and JEWS”
DO also said that the WAR recorded as Armageddon was a war for Souls.
We know that He and TI were the fulfillment of the Two Witnesses prophecy in the Revelation, though they didn’t want to put that fact up front in their talks because they weren’t trying to ride those “tail feathers”, especially for those that were prepared to graduate who were most receptive to their more accurate terms of describing the Next Level Above Human and the “process” to embark (overcoming).
I also witnessed (and Pypody and Andody (Frank) and Mrcody (Mark) and Srfody (Sarah) were present for) DO holding a meeting that TI didn’t attend, (so before June of 1985) in which he gave instructions to bring whatever Bibles we had on hand to, where he had us open to Revelation 12:1, which he said was talking about TI as the “Woman”.
I know I can’t depend on all that was written in the Revelation as accurate because DO said in that same Portland tape, I think, that John didn’t know how to write down accurately some of what was being given to him, which I hadn’t heard or remembered until I recently listened to that tape.
Many Christians think they know it all, to include in the Revelation and some humans have picked up on major new ways of thinking about the Revelation, that I observed while researching certain topics for the book I wrote. (TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses)
DO didn’t say we couldn’t read the Revelation materials, if only to be “amused” so I’m not doing anything wrong or against Ti and DO’s wishes to choose to talk about those materials. (Years ago, Carlan cited that part of the Beyond Human tape before as criticism of my writing a book focused on all Jesus prophecy to include the Book of Revelation).
In about 1985, that the students I mentioned earlier might recall, Dncody (Dick – not among the 38 yet his vehicle became deceased because of disease) was assigned a task by himself to re-write the Bible, if I recall correctly, though I wasn’t privy to what parts as I doubt it included that Old Testament. He left the class some years later, perhaps as late as 1991 so I don’t know how far he got or whether it was discontinued soon thereafter. I only bring it up to show Ti and Do’s thinking back then.
One of the main points of the awakening Ti and Do first experienced, they said, in Boerne, Texas in 1973 was that they were both from the Kingdom in the literal heavens (outer space), here to fulfill prophecy and to bring updates to the bible.
I know these records are not important to our allegience to Them, possibly to include to new students at this time period, after their exit of their human vehicles they borrowed but how do we know they won’t be important to certain ones now or to come? Even if none of the Souls that might still remain to find vehicles they can take over to show their belief and allegiance to Ti and Do don’t benefit from the Revelation materials, it faces Christians with the truth so they can choose whether to serve their humanness (mammon) or The Next Level through the “keys” (teachings) provided by TI and DO.
It also provides the Next Level with more options if TI and DO want to use what we and others write/say about more of the truth of the application of those historic records for a future civilizational classroom, should it be organized by the Next Level soon or in the distant future. TI and DO talked about this and assigned us in the class at that time in the 1980’s the task of writing a “book” for that purpose – to be an aid to a future Next Level crew. A future Next Level crew would be on earth again, in this way to relate to humans as They don’t need these records but those might benefit from having them.
I would think that anyone who believes in TI and Do would want to see Them talked about in every applicable positive minded way.
For whatever it may be worth, that lower forces influences (that we all have to battle) would have some believe about me, I’m not competing with anyone. Nor do I think I’m a hotshot or elevated over anyone for doing what little I do. If anything, my talking about scripture much might turn away some that choose to turn away because of their difficulty with those records – often because of the way those records were framed as a part of the so called Christian religion that they may understandibly hate because of the centuries of hypocrisies and outright lies, that they got mostly from Paul of Tarsus (that TI talked about in audio tape 66 or 201 if I recall correctly).

TI and DO – #95 – Listing Our Task – 02-14-1984 (audio transcription)

April 29, 2019
Tape Log entry: 095 – 02/14/84 – Listing our task. DSTody’s task-STM’s task-slaves of credit. Utilities-BRNody’s task. 45 min.
TI and DO audio transcription of meeting to a small group of students at “retreat” in townhouses (one for students and one for Links) east of downtown Dallas, TX in close view of the skyline.  Retreat groups brought the tapes back to the main “craft” so the rest of the students could listen to it.
(Transcribed by NX VX and edited by Sawyer (Swy) – Swyody)
DO: One of the things that we think is interesting about this new understanding is that you get to see so much identifiable, we get to see clearly what assignment you had. In other words you get to see that the next level, we thought maybe for a while that you had picked those vehicles for what you needed, ok? And now we see that a little differently. That not only, sure you needed the strength and effort that it took to make those vehicles do what, the task that they were to do, but in a sense you were assigned tasks just like one of your assigned such and such tasks in the craft or certain out-of-craft tasks and so forth you were assigned tasks to put the energy in that – in the specific areas of the problems of the vehicle that you were given.
In other words I don’t feel any longer that you picked them out as much as I feel like they were picked for you, and I want TI to stop me if she disagrees with it. She may have shed more light on it, but you’ve, it seems to me that if you picked them out it was because you were told to pick out ones that had these characteristics, but I don’t know if you would be able to do that. Seems awfully likely to me that the Next Level participated pretty strongly in picking out the tools for you according to what they needed.
Now it’s interesting to see because it’s so identifiable now what tasks are now, for example look at Dstody’s tasks. Can you see what Dstody’s? Or what now Dstody has several tasks with his vehicle but let’s take, we’ll just use his, one of his tasks as an example. Dstody has known ever since he’s been in the classroom that his vehicle had difficulty getting beyond thinking in terms of prejudice. Seeing others as seeing him in a lower way because he was black, and to me Dstody’s task, if he does it well, is to think and act in terms of never seeing color.
See we’re very opposed to, just because it’s Next Level way, we are very opposed to organizations that identify themselves as things that, that what should be done is their identification erased. Like for example we noted something on the news about a gay organization at SMU was trying to get permission to, I think it was SMU, to have say in politics of university and it was turned down. Well we feel that if you’re going to have a gay organization then you got to have a straight organization. You got to have a heterosexual organization.
You see what we’re saying? That doesn’t make any sense. In other words nobody should want to identify themselves in a way that they’re trying to eliminate being identified. You see what we’re saying? Because theoretically what the gays should be wanting is for you to not see him as a gay. Anymore than a heterosexual wants you to see him, he wants you to see him as a person right?
Now same thing a black organization shouldn’t exist because that increases black consciousness. They think what they’re doing is promoting elements of freedom for blacks and they’re doing just the opposite. They are increasing black consciousness, and Dstody’s task should be, if he can get his vehicle to have zero awareness of his color, and never see anyone’s actions towards him as related to color, then he will have done a very good job in one area of his assignment. Can you follow that?
Look at Stmody’s, part of the task that Stmody was given with the vehicle that he chose, and the current problems out there in the world of people who have over-eating difficulties.  Addictions to over-eating and really problems, serious problems.  So Stmody has an excellent identifiable task of sending out the organized objective way of controlling consuming, and changing the programming of his genes. As he changes the programming of his genes, those genes will communicate with all those genes out there who have that same problem. They all have telephone lines, and every one of you as you look at the things you can identify. Sometimes I think TI and I should give you the assignment of writing us a little note -writing us a little list of the tasks that you were given that you can identify by the vehicle that you have.  In other words it’s like if I give you a task to do something in carpentry work, and it’s going to require a hammer, screw-driver, pliers, nails, then those are the things you need for that task.
Now for your task it might have been anger, sensuality, black, you know but you could, you should be able to identify them as a task, and know that as you get those genes programmed, clearly when you counter the programming of those genes, repetitiously counter the programming of those genes, before you permit them to play out their tapes, because each time you let a tape play and you counter it, you’ve broken even, you haven’t made any head-way. Can you see that? If you let a tape play, and then re-program it, you’re no better off, then you were before the tape played. It’s when you recognize the fact that the tape wants to play, and you re-program that you’re up one. Can you follow that? When you catch it before the programming takes place. So I don’t know if TI agrees but it might be interesting for all of you to sit down and write a little list of the tools, of your task and the list would have the areas that you have recognized that your vehicle is primitive. The areas that you recognize that your vehicle is less than civilized, civilized being judged by perfect Next Level conduct. You want to add something to that?
TI: No.
DO: (laughs)
Well, should I shut it off? Do you have any questions?
Srfody: You want to make that list and send it too?
DO: I think so, keep a copy and send one to Links a little list of your tools, yeah it’s like that vehicle you have is your tool-box, and all the tools you have in it to use are the characteristics of that vehicle that are less than perfect Next Level conduct.
Swyody: I want to see how much, how intricate, like our task might be, and don’t want to get off on a tangent by thinking like, like I can see all the procedures you have given us. If we follow them one hundred percent then each one of those procedures sends something out. I was thinking, even brushing my teeth for instance, if you have tooth problems you brush your teeth twice a day.” Would that kind of thing go out to the humans?
DO: Can’t help it as long as you, that kind of thing does go out, but those are minor upgrading of civilization. The major upgrading are the changing of the problems. Now don’t forget these problems that we mentioned a minute ago like race consciousness or anger, these weaknesses of the vehicle, they’re really only because they are plants that are not developed, have not yet become healthy.
You know really there’s nothing morally wrong with any of those things because humans were taught that they were moral. They were given a moral concept, a moral consciousness in order to motivate them to correct certain things. Just like they were given a fear of certain things in order to motivate correction, but it’s the genetic things that you as an individual, or your vehicle as an individual, has, that is less than Next Level civilized. It’s those things that are primary efforts of your task.
The things that we do as a group and as a craft. All the procedures that we follow as we upgrade you know. They all [happen] out there. I don’t know if you ever spent any time looking back. Just in little ways, not in ways that are not good to look back, but I can see in the years that we were traveling around the country, and our class was forming and gathering, and we had no money. We certainly couldn’t think of buying a car. Our upgrading our living standard because we were at zero, for quite a while and the world was, that was happening to them.
Houses weren’t selling, nobody was buying cars they were all willing to drive junk-heaps up and down the street when before they wouldn’t of been caught dead in them, and everything that was happening, because of where our energy was directed, was for the most part, happening there also, and now you can see it changing, even in these insignificant ways you can see it changing as it’s changing for you. You can see their economy getting better, their ability to take care of themselves better and get a better car again and upgrade but they’re doing it more carefully, than they were doing it before.
Now there’s still some ailments that are very serious that we don’t  know exactly, what’s going to or how we can help them like the fact that humans in order to do those things become so completely slaves of credit, and they’ve got to learn not to do that, and why did they let this world of people out there get to be extremely rich – that are taking advantage of the fact that these people are all living on credit.
A lot of them couldn’t pay for the things that they are now indebted to pay for, if they didn’t have big insurance policies that would pay for them, upon their death.  In other words they’ve bought policies to cover paying for those things if they die, and a lot of them have more indebtedness than they could possibly ever pay out, and yet they go right on each day and go out and charge something more, and the world knows that they can’t pay those things out, but the whole structure has been built that way. Even with the national governments and their own indebted.
TI: Well what they really need to work on mostly, I know they need to get off this credit thing but they need to get utilities down. In other words it’s almost ridiculous the way they handle the utilities. Way back years ago utilities took just a small amount of your income, and now it takes, your utilities run almost as much as your house payment if not more, which is an awful lot.
DO: And this just isn’t utilities that we have to pay because so many people using them, the average persons utilities have proportionately gotten astronomical.
TI: We talked to a little old man the other day and I guess he was 67 isn’t it what he told us?”
DO: (agrees)
TI: And he owned a home, he just told us his life history, just all in a nutshell (TI & DO laughing) and he owned a home that he bought in 1947 and his payments never ran over 81 dollars a month or 57 or something
DO: Something
TI: And he said just recently after this severe cold-spell that they had that his gas bill was close to 500 dollars, 487 dollars. Now that’s almost ridiculous, if…
DO: And it’s a very, very small little house you know it’s…
TI: It has to be it’s just a small frame home…
DO: It was a little G.I. framed home, the kind that you could buy in the 1940’s which was a little bitty place.
TI: …and he said he doesn’t like things real warm, but he said he didn’t feel like they were extravagant, and yet it ran that much. And here he was 2 years past retirement and he’s still working, and what if he wasn’t working and was living on social security or whatever they lived on, how could he afford to pay that? Now it just doesn’t make sense that the utilities are as high as they are, water, gas, electricity, all of them are high, and in comparison now the water of course it isn’t as high – as except at south craft water pipe burst but, in general the water isn’t as high as the gas and electricity but that’s the next place that they need to work on, getting it corrected because…
DO: We feel that the taxes people pay, should almost like socialized medicine, that there should be a government method of taking care of utilities, subsidizing utilities. Just like there should be a government method of taking care of healthcare, and old-folks homes. Things of that sort, [that] we’re really behind in not doing that, because we still have taxes that go to buy the president’s wife’s wardrobe, you know that doesn’t. I don’t know if you understand what we are talking about but, the structure of what your taxes pay for is really, needs a lot of help and a lot of correction, and they should be paying for things that are absolute necessities where it’s just inhumane to have people who are not capable of producing any funds, to have them not able to pay their utilities.
That doesn’t – that is not fair. That is not right, and it’s just because in a society like this one, those who had money years ago and were able to go out and buy a great deal of property – then property is un-attainable, to most. Do you see what we are saying?
And therefore they can’t have anything that can turn into money. So they have to then learn shenanigans or new, well shenanigans is the best term I can think of, new ways to take advantage of the public and something that seems to be a new idea in order to make money, and if you are not programmed to care to do that kind of thing, to make money, then your livelihood is very, very inhibited, and it’s not – the motivation is misplaced.
Now these are significantly, are relatively insignificant things. The significant things, it’s just like Swyody said about the toothbrush and then the things, these things we’re just now mentioning are not nearly as important as changing over, getting rid of the weaknesses and the unhealthy conditions of the vehicles that would cause them to act in such primitive ways, but at the same time they need to upgrade some of these social conducts.
TI: I was just going to add to that utility thing that. At night I don’t know if you all can see it but there’s a building where the lights are on, on the outside just about all night, and it’s a tall building.
DO: You could glance down this little street tonight after it’s dark. And look toward town at the number of the buildings that are totally lit up all night long.
TI: And let’s say their light bill runs about 20,000 dollars a month, which we have heard where some of them do, and just think what that building has to do in order to pay that light bill? You know like let’s say it’s an insurance company or something. It’s got to make enough money to pay that light bill, every month right? So it has to up its price, whatever it is, in order to make the payments and, in other words, it’s almost like a vicious cycle because everybody has to up their price in order to take care of their expenses.
Food, grocery stores I’m sure have to pay a tremendous amount of electricity to keep their store cool and, or warm or their electric lights on, freezer frozen, and it has to show up in the amount of money that they have to charge you all, you know in order to make their expenses. What we’re getting at – we’re trying to put the idea into the ether so that they will start seeing how ridiculous it is to have privately owed utilities. Now the telephone have managed to keep their  bills, their charges pretty low, but the gas and the lights have not. They keep changing the meters so upping the cost to the kilowatts until it’s just out of site or something.
DO: And we feel they’re capable of tapping the knowledge from the Next Level to move to energy sources that would change that altogether, but it also, probably why that isn’t happening now, is because they need to make the adjustment in different ways. They’re spending the money in the wrong ways, and they need to be forced to reduce that excessive spending before they’re given new ways of doing it.
I want to go back to what we said a moment ago about you writing a little list, of the tools that you have. How you word, each sentence on that little list is going to show us how you’re thinking about, in terms of the programming of that weakness or that problem with your vehicle. In other words the way you word that list is going to show us the kind of programming you’re doing in that area and will show us how successful, how strong, your programming is. Do you understand what we’re saying? So be aware of how you word it, be very aware of how you word it, and then, if you think it has helped you word it in a way that would improve your constant re-programming effort, then be aware of that. Am I making sense? Like some of you see your problems in the wrong way and therefore if we asked you to write it down you would write it down a way, that really wouldn’t give you maximum benefit as a re-programming selection. So if you see the weaknesses of the vehicle, the needs of the vehicle in the most objective, most right way, you’ll get maximum benefit from the program. You follow that?
Ollody: And in my understanding that when we turn in the list, it would show what the problem area is and what the correction would be, in other words what we’re trying to correct it with?
DO: Well how about this, let’s make it, each one of your lists, you give us a sentence telling what, in a nutshell, what it is that you’re – I’ll take Dstody for example, and the race thing we were talking about and one of the tools he has is the tool of removing color consciousness, eliminating color consciousness. Now see if he is programming that, and that level, every time that thought of color enters his mind, he would get maximum program benefit, but if he’s programming it at the level of, I’m tired of having to fight off the fact that you’re seeing me as a black and you’re prejudice against blacks, and then he turns around and tells his vehicle, no I’m not going to accept that black programming. You see he’s, that’s a very low-level of treatment. That’s a very primitive level of treatment, or elementary level of treatment, but every time that any thought try to come in his mind, relative to race or color, he would immediately say sorry I have no color consciousness, you can’t stimulate it in me. It isn’t there, doesn’t exist. You don’t see me that way, I don’t see you that way, I refuse to accept it.
Now his sentence is going to show what he would program each time with his tool, and in a brief statement, what you would program. Now look at the programming, the excellent programming list that Brnody has, in relationship to the task of assisting people who have the difficulties that her vehicle presents.
(Swy: Brnody had osteoporosis so by then was mostly in a wheel chair)
Now is she going to take it at that same level and say, oh nobody knows really how badly I hurt and how hard it is for me to get around, and then say to the vehicle, oh vehicle I’m just not going to accept that even though I know it’s true, (DO laughs) – you see that kind of programming isn’t, is a very elementary level of programming.
So what you want to do is, you might want to make your list several times, and then see if you can come up with a way of stating each tool in the highest way you can state it, and that statement is the program you’re going to send out each time that weakness is stimulated. Or each time that weakness is emitted, and then give us your little list, ok? And you keep a list ok? Wanna do that?
Srfody: A little bit on the side note, let’s say there’s something that you feel, like an aspect of working with your vehicle but you’ve been able to feel like it’s in control or it works with or had some success in it or something, and how… Let’s say how does that, can use characteristics that might be ok but you aren’t, like some characteristics you have to work against more but other characteristics are the ones that kind of helped you out because you know that you are not that bad in one area. How does that, how is that related to helping others with our task? How does that fit in?
DO: I don’t think you, it doesn’t, because what you’re concerned with is, what you are concerned with are the weak, undeveloped characteristics. This is not the way, like in a segment you would tap the stronger characteristics to assist you in working against the weaker ones. This wouldn’t come up that way, and so a lot of the weaknesses are merely aren’t as identifiable as others and the good exercise that you’re going to have is can you discover? Do you really know what should be on your list? Do you really know what your tools are? The purpose of your job, do you know the purpose of your job? All the little things on the job, because frequently we find that individuals can go a long time and not even recognize that that’s an area that they need to put effort into, because maybe it isn’t as obvious as something like Dstody’s or Stmody’s or Brnody’s – not that that’s the only thing that Brnody or Stmody and Dstody have on their list either.
(TI asks DO something quietly)
DO: Sure, TI’s been discussing how your, if you keep your mind on your task, then you don’t allow yourself to slip into a state where your vehicle becomes animate and then begins to respond in such a way that you lose sight of where your higher vibrations should be, and she reminded us that if you kept that 12 minute check going, if you were. You know I feel, if I go a period of time longer than 12 minutes without thinking about is there anything I can do to do my task better, if I go longer than that, I feel lost in time. Now I want you to understand what I mean when I say lost in time. I feel like that time is going to stand still for me, and I am making no progress, I am not. In other words it’s like, because I don’t know how you feel, I want to do my task and do it well and get it over with as quickly as I can, and get on to the next task. I don’t like extended periods of task. I don’t like to do, and I know that TI doesn’t, I can’t stand an extended task. I’ve got one but (TI and DO laughing) it doesn’t, I don’t mean it disrespectfully.
TI: We don’t like to extend it any longer than it has to be. (TI laughs)
DO: But I don’t want to extend it a moment further than I have to extend it, and therefore, like I can’t stand to see somebody approach a task, a human approach a task, and say well this at least got, I can take the morning up. I’ll at least be able to get rid of the morning by doing this task, and it’s a task that can be done in 30 minutes, and they’ll take an hour or two or three to do it because they have nothing else to do. To us if it can be done in 30 minutes then it should be done in 30 minutes. It should be done as quickly as you can do it without being careless.
Now with that concept in mind, you want to do every task as quickly as it can be done well. Then anytime you’re not doing your task, you’re wasting time. In other words you’re making zero progress. Now that you see that your task is working on the weaknesses of those vehicles, anytime you slip into a frame of mind, when you are not where you should be in order to be working on your task with those vehicles. In other words any the time the vehicle is in control, instead of the mind operating the tool, then you have thrown all that time away. You are extending your task. You are not only doing a poor job of your assignment, you’re extending your task, you’re hanging yourself in your own agony because all of you want the task to end, and get into another one. I can’t see how you would find any pleasure in extending it. Do you find any pleasure in extending it? Goodness I don’t. Therefore the point we’re making is if you are, if it is constantly hammering on your mind, what more can I do at this moment? Now what more means, with the task I have now, what is the task you have? The areas of the weaknesses of your vehicles, and procedures and things like that so anytime you slip in…
I’m going to stop in the middle of that sentence and back-off to something I said a moment ago about any time your vehicle is animate. In other words, anytime your vehicle is a living thing, then the mind can’t use it. I want to keep my vehicle in-animate  and my mind, the only thing that’s animate.
DO you understand that? Now anytime my vehicle is animate, and is acting like a human, vibrating on any of the characteristics of the, that other humans with like-vehicles would act on. Any time this vehicle would act according to its genetic structure, then it is animate and I have left the tool aside some place and then taken a nap, but if I keep my tools in my hands all the time and, in other words, it’s like when one problem surfaces then I pick up the hammer, when another problem is there I pick up the pliers. Now anytime, and you’re so on guard that you want to know what tool do I need? And you know that by any of the ways that the vehicle is trying to act humanly. Then you know exactly what tool to pick up, but if you start letting that vehicle get away with that human response, the mind has taken a recess, and is letting the tool itself become an animate object acting no different from any other genetic living creature. You see what we’re saying? At that moment you are turning into the world, because the world is what vibrates on that genetic level.
Anytime you let the vehicle act like a human you’re turning into the world, and not the Next Level. I mean you’re literally taking the tuner on your radio, and tuning into the vibrations of the world. When you give into because it’s sending out those vibrations genetically, constantly, and you can find them if you want to any second, 24 hours a day. You can find those signals if you want to tune in your receiver on those vibrations but you’ve got to keep yours at a, really no-signal. You got to keep your receiver on receiving nothing, only sending. You want to be only transmitters, the only thing that, once it begins to receive a signal, or once you begin to receive a signal, from the genetic structure, your vehicle, from the world or from time-capsule release of its own genes, that is when you become a transmitter and refuse to be a receiver. Can you follow that analogy?
TI: Once you become more of a transmitter and less receiver, the faster we can move, which we…
DO: If you’re a transmitter you can’t lose control, you might have all kinds of bombardment, but you will have all that bombardment under control. If you maintain the position of a transmitter you will have everything you have to deal with under control. That doesn’t mean you won’t have a lot to deal with. It just means you have it under control and that’s all that counts. You don’t any longer wish that you didn’t have it to deal with, that’s like saying Next Level I wish you’d take my task away, I really don’t want to do it. I really don’t want this opportunity to grow and know this information to increase my capacity in that department, in the Next Level. You see what I am saying?
Ollody: If something was a major problem a couple years ago, and I know that it’s still there, it’s not something I can just let my guard down about but it’s something I feel I have gotten it under enough control that it’s not a major problem anymore. Would I list that? What I’m saying to you?
DO: I think so because it still has been a major problem of the genetic structure of your vehicle. I would never even be so brave as you have been just now.
Ollody: What?
DO: In your statement just now.
Ollody: Oh I understand. (TI & DO, and class laughs).
DO: Yeah because I don’t consider any difficulty that I have had in controlling this vehicle, I don’t consider any of those areas dormant, even though I may not have – I might have been successful in keeping them at bay for extended periods of time, and they may have not even reared their face to give me any significant attention, but there’s not one single one of them that I would trust, would leave me alone til’ tomorrow. Even those that might have left me alone a year or two. Just knock on wood (hear 3 knocks on table) that they might have done that. Do you see what I’m saying? Go ahead.
Ollody: Well they’ve done it before and (TI & DO laughing) I’m aware of what I’m talking about, that’s what I meant when I wouldn’t let my guard down.
DO: Yes, yes in other words we’re not going to misinterpret your list as to mean that…
TI: That’s what you’re doing
DO: … you are currently, necessarily, involved deeply in those areas but, and you don’t list it in that way, but you’re listing the programming that you would transmit each time a genetic problem of your own vehicle would want to emit a transmission.
Swyody: (unintelligible)
TI: should we turn the tape off [over]?
DO: If you don’t mind. (DO laughing)
DO: We talked a minute about… (Loud Jet soaring overhead) I don’t know where to start, but let’s say that, oh them, those planes are driving us crazy aren’t they? They keep penetrating our filter (DO and class laughs).
TI: We’re sitting on the runway I guess. ( TI laughing)
DO: Oh lord (continuous laughter) and the windows are all open in retreat. We talked about how you don’t need to know whether or not the things that you might be bombarded with are from the source of your own genes or whether they are from the source of the world. If you are under control and your vibration is exactly where it should be, and your conduct is where it should be, and you’re not being disturbed by the bombardment, you are not letting it affect you in any way – it’s not interrupting, interfering with anything, it’s just coming your way, and you’re applying the programming to refute it or to upgrade it to improve it, to change it – then it is probably programming of the world, that is coming at you. But once it changes your vibration, if you let that programming change your own vibration, then you become out of control. You can’t send a good, clear, appropriate program to change it or refute it.
Now also if you’re getting bombardment and you’re out of control, it’s likely your own genes. Whether they were stimulated from something from out there, or from something in your own history, genetic history, is unimportant, it doesn’t matter. Do you see what we’re saying? But if you are out of control, then your own genes in those areas are being stimulated, and what you want to do is keep those genes in your own vehicle, under perfect control so that any time you receive bombardment in the areas of weaknesses of your vehicle, it does not change you in any way. Your countenance, your conduct, your effectiveness, you are merely, the moment you recognize that something is headed your way then you immediately apply the program to change it and continue to apply the program to change it and go on about doing what you’re doing, at the same time, and then you are effectively doing your task that you were sent to do. If you let that bombardment change your vibration, you lose control. It interferes with what you’re doing and you are not doing your task. You follow that? Because your task is sending the appropriate re-programming and not letting it, which you can’t do if you’re affected, right? Is that clear? Is that clear?
TI: Quick.
(end of tape)

Some corrections to those who say nothing Ti and Do said came true

January 8, 2019

Here are just a handful of all the many things Ti and Do said and taught and did that showed to have come true. However it will be each person’s choice to try to grow to see them or not. With each one – in no special order, I could give a lot more examples. I will expand this as they occur to me since a few people seem to think nothing they ever said came true:
Things TI and DO said that have come true:

1) In the 1970’s Ti and Do said we would enjoy the music of the spheres while Next Level Members:

from spaceweather.com on 11/23/2018:

MUSICAL” WAVES DETECTED IN EARTH’S MAGNETIC FIELD: This week in Norway, a space weather observatory detected sine waves of exceptional purity rippling through Earth’s polar magnetic field. The waves, which persisted for hours with nearly perfect pitch, have been linked to “tearing instabilities” and explosions in Earth’s magnetic tail–not to mention bright auroras in Arctic skies. Visit today’s edition of Spaceweather.com to see the waves and to learn more about them.

2) Ti and Do developed a movie script they said was fiction based on the truth that entailed Pluto being an “earth lab” inside and having a big “whitish” louvered door for spacecrafts to go in and out.

New Horizons spacecraft has documented that Pluto has a blueish atmosphere and has a large whitish spot on it’s “top” – could that be the “door” a type of a membrane door.

3) A spacecraft did come to pick them up. They felt Hale Bopp was the “marker” for that to come true.

4) Ti and Do said they would die and resurrect.

When the media hit they said for about 3 days they felt the “mission was dead” and there was no sense going on. (See 88Update). But they stood on their feet again to continue to have meetings and then after TI left DO stood up by himself (resurrection means “to stand up again”) as the one who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus and saying Ti was his “heavenly Father”.

An additional way this was true is demonstrated by Revelation chapter 11 as the two witnesses being first “subdued” (overcome) (1975 on the national news their vehicles reputations were shot down talking about them a thieves) and then they then “separated by dying themselves” (Greek “apokteino auto”). Their ascension (rising up) was invisible to humans but not to “those with eyes to see”, a common expression by Jesus referring to those who recognized “them” in some way.

5) They said they were not “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the vehicle taken over by an Older Member from the Next Level and taken through a metamorphosis to change into a new creature. They said Jesus would return as part of the 7th Closeness. (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). That closeness seems to have begun again, mostly as of 2017 with a final closeness yet to come but they said it was not to be a teaching time as that time has passed. For 20 years the Heaven’s Gate story diminished in the media. In fact during the 10 year anniversary there were only a few major media done on them. One was National Geographic’s – The Final Report; Heaven’s Gate.

For the next 10 years occasionally there would be a story that talked about them among the Luciferian space alien stimulated evil and abusive cults who did pressure people with controls and manipulations and murder and money mongering and blatant sexual “freedom” while Ti and Do’s group had none of that and actually a great deal of proof to the contrary.

For nearly 15 years my subscriptions to my youtube channel, 3spm grew maybe one every 6 months. Then 2017 hit when I also released my book and there were a few anniversary stories early on, like Inside Edition to where they continued the same mis/dis information campaign over again. After the anniversary I was approached by CNN/HLN to participate in a documentary. I asked the producer Alex Pressburg why they were covering the story – was it the anniversary – and he said no – it was because “it’s an interesting story”. That came out in the fall of 2017 alongside the 10 podcast series by Pineapple Street media via Stitcher I also interviewed for extensively on several occasions. The brought out new material – the letters Terrie received and the video Terrie received and with it accusations that TI was a hypocrite and that they were manipulative and controlling and that DO was insensitive to telling Terrie about Ti’s death but it became apparent that DO was following TI’s instructions (as I can show was true because DO had no reason to lie and because TI’s biggest concern on her deathbed according to DO and Lvvody and Jnnody who helped her in those last two weeks was DO’s carrying on without her. One huge aspect of DO’s carrying on was keeping the classroom hidden from any who wanted to find them and interfere with them. Hence DO didn’t tell Terrie right away because he knew that could stimulate an investigation that could land him in jail and/or split up the classroom.

There are 218 audio tapes that show how dedicated TI was to their classroom’s completion under DO. Plus TI had many opportunities to tell Terrie she was diagnosed with cancer in around 1983 while we lived in Texas and Terrie lived in Texas, but didn’t. Instead she just wrote letters – only one phone call in that time of years. Again because all that would do would be create more anxiety with Terrie and at that point especially the objective of letter contacts and subsequent visits in 1985 and 1986-7 was to “calm family anxieties”.
The claim was also made in the podcasts and by a number of other investigators that said DO became “a little psychotic” (said by x-student Frank (Andody) after Ti left but the evidence is that he continued with the classroom exactly as Ti had instigated as they were always looking for the way in which they were to leave the earth/human kingdom and how.
It’s easy to show that Ti and Do were willing to appear to be wrong to put students that were not in the classroom with all their hearts, souls, mind and strength. In other words they followed their instructions hence the establishment of a pick up by a spacecraft in 1980 or so didn’t happen but because it didn’t Jssody (joined with Alxody) left the group, while for those that had been fully committed it didn’t matter as they (I) were not banking on a spacecraft pickup to remain in the classroom. Some souls were simply further along in their overcoming of humanness process so they had many ways of filtering them out or helping them overcome their doubts.

Lots more to say about this that can be seen in my blog posts with Pineapple in the title. That’s at: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com

6) They said spirits existed and now I’ve seen them on a number of occasions where while in the classroom it made sense to me so I believed it but I hadn’t seen anything. One can see my descriptions of those events in my blog sawyerhg.wordpress.com in Sawyer’s Story.

7) They said there would be more interest in them after they left as it wasn’t designed by the Next Level to attract large numbers as there were only a certain amount of positions students who graduates would be given to fill.

8) They said they were from the same family as Jesus was from and was a type of repeat performance – teaching the same requirements of leaving all behind to qualify. They (DO by himself post 1985 when Ti left her vehicle) stuck to that from 1975 to 1997. It seems they began to examine exiting by our own hand (as Jesus did, since he stimulated his capture and said in the book of John, “no man takes it from me” speaking about his vehicles life. Jesus also talked about how his students needed to “drink the same cup of his blood” he was given to drink knowing they would be hated and killed the same way He was hated and killed. Ti and Do were mostly hated and some wanted them dead. I witnessed at the Waldport meeting a woman in the back shouting very loudly, “you ought to be shot” when they said children could not come, explaining that children couldn’t make a choice to leave the world they hadn’t hardly experienced.

If one compares all of the red letter parts of the 4 gospels – the words attributed to Jesus with Ti and Do’s teachings one will see they are exactly the same teachings. Thus if Jesus said it – forecast it then when Ti and Do put it in more accurate to modernity and generic terms they were showing proof they were the same Older Members returned as promised and that’s why most who call themselves Christians often don’t know they are not believers in what Jesus taught, except for a few things, but according to Jesus to be his disciple one needed to abide by all he taught, not just pick and choose.

My book: “TI and Do The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses” provides a great deal of the evidence of how what they said as the Father and Jesus came true or is about to come true through everything Ti and Do taught and did and said would happen at the conclusion of the civilization.

9) Ti and Do said that when they left, the human kingdom would be accelerated towards recycling and that would be a further testing ground for each human. If one looks at events that have escalated in the US since the late 1990’s (the time of the Seven Thunders of Rev 10) one will see a dramatic increase in more animalistic human behaviors as each human is forced to become what they are, what they had been entertaining in their heads mostly until then but now don’t have the self control to not play out. Hence mass shootings, more earthquakes that are larger and larger, tsunami’s, volcanic eruptions, larger hurricane’s, while humans try to take responsibility for these because the Luciferians hate for people to think the Next Level exists and are behind their escalation.

10) The Hale Bopp comet was the “marker” for their exit. In other words whether there was a companion with it or not didn’t’ matter. They knew it was the event of a spacecraft picking them up they had been waiting for since 1975. NASA astronomers stated in their annual Hale Bopp symposiums after 1997 that they believed Hale Bopp was made up of TWO objects in orbit around a common center. This can also be shown to be the “sign” Jesus described as “lightning (star like – shining/strewn from east to west (along the ecliptic).
11) Ti and Do said in 1975 that spacecrafts can be all kinds of sizes and shapes and colors. Through all the many NASA and ESA and other astronomical institutions it’s been learned that comets were not “dirty snowballs”. None of them so far are round. They look like a bowling pin sometimes and have jets that seem to stimulate their rotation and propulsion.

Ultima Thule was described as reddish and looks like a snowman made up from two clearly distinct objects appearing to be fused together with some kind of “light” attachment method – docking?

Heaven’s Gate, DO speaks about “Days Being Shortened”

January 7, 2018

Here are five segments of things DO said about this idea of “days being shortened” and includes references to who the “elect” are and about debt in “sin” and the “karma” counterfeit concept:

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

1. Segment from:

Planet About To Be Recycled – Your Only Chance To Survive – Leave With Us (Edited Transcript of Videotape – October 5, 1996):

I hope this tape session with you will be the beginning of our relationship. If this tape session is used to validate your seeing us as anti-God, the Anti-Christ, so be it. That’s part of what we expect. That’s part of the necessity of what comes at this time. It’s the common thing for us to see each other as opposites of what we believe we are.

I’m so happy, because my time is short here. If you come with us, your time here can be shortened. When Jesus left 2000 years ago – or the one who was in Jesus, or when I left 2000 years ago – only a very short time after that, Truth was significantly corrupted. So that no matter who tried to use the name of “Jesus,” or of “Christ,” or His information – seeing it as true, seeing it as real, referring to what had been said of what it takes to come into my Kingdom – that fell apart, that deteriorated, that became unimportant. It’s a miracle that His Teachings can still be found in the gospels – they’re still there – you’d be amazed, you should read them again. Likewise this time, after I’m gone, when we leave, when we enter into my Father’s spacecraft in order to go into service in His Kingdom, the Truth will deteriorate as fast as we depart. It will leave this atmosphere within a very short time.

I hope for your sake that you will, at least, ponder this – don’t ask your neighbors, your friends, what they think of this. Instead, go into the privacy of your “closet” and see if you can connect with the purest, highest source that you might consider “God,” and ask: “What about this? Is this information for real? Is this for me? If it is, then please give me the strength I need to pursue it.” As soon as you tell anyone else, they will likely be used by the lower forces as their instruments to have you not believe, to have you stay in this world and wait for the “Heaven on Earth.”

We hope to be of some service to you in this short time before our departure. We believe it to be a very short time. So our thoughts will be of you. We hope that your thoughts will be of our Father’s Kingdom.

 

2. Segment from Last Chance Statement – January 16, 1994

Crew from the Evolutionary Level Above Human Offers – LAST CHANCE TO ADVANCE BEYOND HUMAN

* When the Next Level sent a crew 2000 years ago, the world “cleansed” or “saved” their world from its “blasphemy” and merely got the crew their boarding passes back to the true Kingdom of God on the true “Enterprise” (spaceship or “cloud of light”). If you seek to cleanse the world of our “blasphemy” this time, you will simply be the instrument of our “days being shortened” while destroying your “last chance” in this civilization to advance.
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* Many say they live only for the “Harvest Time” – the “Last Days” – the “Second Coming.” These have all arrived! There are souls – some of you, here now – who have received a deposit of recognition, and that knowledge finds you desirous of connecting and bonding with the Next Level. Those who have that deposit of Life will believe what we say, and know who we are. If they continue in that belief – sustain that Life (though Lucifer will do anything to prevent them from nurturing that gift) – they will be protected and “saved” from the approaching recycling and “spading under” of the civilization. They will have nothing to fear, nor will they know DEATH – even if they lose their human body. That continued belief will one day find them a member in the Level Above Human, in a physical body belonging to the true Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above Human – leaving behind this temporal and perishable world for one that is everlasting and non-corruptible. – Today’s Next Level Crew

Full document:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2018/01/07/planet-about-to-be-recycled-your-only-chance-to-survive-leave-with-us-2/

3. Segment from: Beyond Human – The Last Call – Session 9

Student: Yes, I asked what about sin and does karma have any validity? Do: Okay, let’s get back to the karma idea. Thank you. The idea of karma is that I pay for any misdeed I have done. In other words, some of the Eastern religions who believe in the idea of karma believe that, “If I kill somebody, then I’m going to be killed. That same thing is going to come back to me. If I murder somebody, I’m going to be murdered. If I treat somebody ill, I’m going to be treated in the same way.” And that’s a very close translation. Don’t forget, a counterfeit is always very close to the truth. Karma is a counterfeit. Some of what it says is true. Other aspects that it says are not true. Where it becomes untrue is that in our Father’s Kingdom our Father can send a Representative to accelerate your possibilities of getting closer to the Kingdom of Heaven. And that Representative, or that individual from that Kingdom, when they involve themselves in your task of overcoming and they assist you in that, they can from an Eastern point of view, or the karma point of view, they can take your karma. Our Father’s House’s interpretation of that same idea says, “I can take your sin, I can relieve you of your sin.” When Jesus said to his disciples that, ‘If you truly ask forgiveness, I’ll take your case to my Father, I’ll represent you to my Father, I’ll see what my Father says, and if my Father says it’s O.K., you’re truly sorry that you did it and you want a fresh start, you want to start over again, then who am I to say…because I’ll certainly give you that chance to start over again.’ In a sense, then, you would not pay for the sin that you did if you have someone who can take that from you. Now, it has to be a Representative of our Father’s Kingdom, as Jesus was, who can take that from you and take it on themselves. In other words, it was a debt that you had. You did a bunch of wrongs and they add up. Every time you do a behavior against our Father’s Kingdom, it starts totaling up on a column and the column can get pretty big. It can get pretty terrible. And if you had to pay them off, I don’t know how many Ages it would take for you to get them all paid off.

But this is also where “time shortened” comes in and where, as our Father’s Kingdom relates to some who are overcoming the world, that debt gets relieved or it gets dismissed. But not altogether, according to the rules that existed in a number of stages of this particular Earth Age. Now, what I mean is it didn’t get relieved altogether. And here’s where Christians traditionally theologically interpret that Jesus paid it all for you. ‘By His blood were ye redeemed.’ In a lot of sense of the word, that’s absolutely true, and we’ll talk about that for a moment. Because He said to His disciples, who were actually physically, personally relating to Him, and as they did things that were against His instruction in their overcoming and they recognized it, they acknowledged it, they asked forgiveness for it, and He said, ‘I’ll take it,’ and He took it. By taking that debt, He’s got a bunch of notes He’s holding here. They were your notes, and now they’re His notes. And I’m not saying it still isn’t the case, we don’t know. We’ll talk about this in a second. But for a long time in our Father’s Kingdom, the process was, or a decision from the “Parliament” in the Kingdom, we’ll say, or from the “Supreme Court” in our Father’s Kingdom, said that those notes have to be paid, somebody’s got to pay those notes, those notes of sin. So, if I’ve committed a bunch of sins and somebody takes my note and relieves me of it and washes me clean and gives me a fresh start, then that somebody who took those notes has to pay for that. And if my total sin certainly amounted to the probability of death had I not had someone to dump it on, I would have “died,” I would have lost my soul. And that was the case. Had those souls that Jesus was dealing with, not known Him…. They got some help in being directed to Him, but it also required work of them to pursue Him, to believe Him, to fight off the influences and the doubt that the world gave them. It would have been a lot easier for them to say, “Boy, it’s getting too hot around here. People are hunting for Him and they’re going to be hunting for me soon. I think I want to go back and play it safe.” I mean it would have been real easy for them to stop in their process, because they could have easily said, “Well I just can’t believe that He’s who He really says He is. We don’t have any evidence of this.” I mean, that happened. He lost them; He lost many who were in line for entering our Father’s Kingdom as sheep of His fold or as students of Him as a Teacher.

Now we’ll go back to where we were. If death is the wages of sin, and these who came to Him brought their tally to Him, He took their pink slips, or their notes of indebtedness, and then He had to pay for it in death…and He did. You heard me in an earlier tape (and I hope that you paid close attention) when I said that whether or not He died on the cross, literally diagnosed by a doctor (had there been an advanced doctor present), and rose from the dead, that to base your belief of knowledge from our Father’s Kingdom on that one act, and say, “If it wasn’t so, then it’s all a farce,” and we said, “That’s ridiculous.” We also said that it didn’t matter to us whether that act was staged symbolically or whether it was real. But here’s another possibility, and we’re speculating, that the act could have been very real, had the law still been on the books in the “Supreme Court” as it was handed down, that those debts had to be paid. And if their debts equaled death, then it could also mean that since Jesus took them on, the only way He could pay them was to go through having the sinners (those who were against Him), who were adding up their own tally of the same sins, be the ones who then initiated that death. In other words, they were then used to pay the debt for those who were His students, who gave their debt to Him and He wiped them clean. And He was willing to do that.

Now, our Father’s Kingdom is alive and well and “Parliament” is still in session and has not ended. It still makes decisions and it still relates to the Chief of Chiefs. The Kingdom exists. The King is still on His throne. The whole thing works. As to whether or not that same parallel would have to be drawn today if a Representative took those sins, or those notes of old debt of sin, whether they would tally death, we don’t know. Or whether the law has come down in specific cases, because it’s always judged according to the specific case – it’s not prejudged in that respect. Oh, it is prejudged, unless it has been changed. But anytime that something tests it, then you go and check the books and you see if that is still what’s on the books, and if it is on the books, then that is what happens. We don’t know what’s on the books today. We don’t know, for example, if that kind of thing would have to happen to this vehicle, if I would have to lose it in that way because of my relationship with these students, or what would happen to their vehicles as they relate to you if you continue in the direction that you’re going and they continue in the direction of possibly serving as Older Member or Teacher as they relate to you.

Boy, this requires that you travel fast, doesn’t it? We don’t know what’s “on the books.” And we don’t guess it. As we have said before, we are not into any martyr trip. We don’t like that. It’s unnatural. It should not be. It was not designed for anyone to like martyrdom, or to think that they get spiritual elevation by it, which could be a mistranslation (or counterfeit information) of what happened at a death which paid a debt, and then therefore freed the one who paid it and went on up. And it’s true if people say Jesus didn’t owe that debt. Those sins weren’t His – even though at one time He had gone through that same process that they were going through a long time ago. Because that’s the way, don’t forget, that children get into our Father’s Kingdom, and certainly Jesus was one who got into our Father’s Kingdom.

Now exactly what the lesson plans were, and the particulars about graduation at the time that Jesus graduated into our Father’s Kingdom from a human kingdom, or a human-kingdom equivalent, we don’t know because we don’t have that information available to us. Don’t forget that we have also talked about how every individual on this planet in this Age could have been a created individual instead of one born of sin. I’m afraid that’s true. That is sin. That is a condition that was brought to them from a kingdom below. It was an animal condition. It was not intended for human. Even though a human was designed to have the capability of doing that act and they had the option to do it, but they have to look away from their relationship with the One assigned to them by the Kingdom of Heaven in order to participate in that act.

Now, the reason I’m bringing that back up is because Jesus could have graduated in a class or from an Age where that didn’t happen, whether that’s only theoretical and did or did not take place is unimportant. The fact is that the kingdom of man, the kingdom of human, is designed to go both ways. And by choice in this Age that we know from our history books – our history books being primarily the one history book (the Bible) that most of the public questions the most as to whether or not it’s an authentic history book, the one that does actually tell about God’s, our Heavenly Father’s, our Creator’s relationship with man, is the one that the deceived questioned the most as to whether or not it is an authentic record or if it is a collection of some spiritual documents or legends, and yet it is the only record of events. There’s a lot in there that you could quibble over. For example, punctuation that means a lot in your understanding of things, and yet for the most part, the Biblical scriptures have no punctuation, so you don’t know where one sentence ends and the next one begins, and it could have a lot of different meanings. So, how much of it that man altered, because of misinformation, since that’s where Satan camped the most to give misinformation to those who were the rightful heirs of our Father’s Kingdom…it gets pretty sticky doesn’t it?

Full document:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/beyond-human-the-last-call-session-9/

4. Segment from Beyond Human – The Last Call – Session 7

(Speaking to whoever watches this video…):

You can be in the same mindset that we’re in – that we anticipate entering our Father’s Kingdom soon. We feel that what has been shared with us can shorten the days of the elect. If you have come here from our Father’s Kingdom to finish your overcoming, then you know what we’re saying is true, and you’ll be waiting and craving to go full throttle in finishing that off, knowing that there is a short time in which to do it. Because of the time that we have had in preparing our lab and preparing our heads in our own overcoming, and because of what we have learned, the picture is so clear and it is so big to us and so much has been shared with us. Because in the time that we were doing it, it was a slow process, getting one item at a time. But now we see those items and we can see them clearly, and we can share them with you. Therefore, the Next Level through us sharing them with you, can shorten your days to such a brief span, in that sense, for the elect their days are shortened.

The “elect” would mean that you have been picked to finish your overcoming. You could say, “Oh boy, I placed such a ‘high falootin’ interpretation of what the elect is, how could I be one of the elect”? Well, if the Next Level picks you, don’t question it. Let them be the ones responsible for that. I mean, look what they’ve picked. We can’t take the credit for anything in our own overcoming. They’ve given it to us. They’ve fed it to us. If they hadn’t fed it to us a step at a time, we couldn’t have done anything. They did it. They gave us the ingredients, by our asking and by their choice of giving, so that we could be recipients of overcoming. So, if you are one that is prepared for overcoming, then you are as lucky as we are lucky and can receive their gift, and we want to serve in that way. We certainly don’t want to interfere, and we were learning that we could interfere by turning on something that could cause you delay in that process. I’m so thankful that it was shared with us so that we can avoid sharing certain experiences we have had that might delay your overcoming process. If anything, we’re just as concerned with your days being shortened as you are, because we’re so eager for this task of ours to reach completion. It becomes fearful for us to think of the time that it might take, but we’re not going to listen to that fear.

Full document:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/beyond-human-the-last-call-session-7/

5. Segment from “USA TODAY” Ad/Statement May 27, 1993 “UFO CULT” RESURFACES WITH FINAL OFFER:

When we came before (2000 years ago) the world “cleansed” or “saved” their world from our “blasphemy” and merely got us our boarding passes back to the true Kingdom of God on the true “Enterprise” (spaceship or “cloud of light”). If you seek to cleanse the world of our “blasphemy” this time, you would simply be the instrument of our “days being shortened” while destroying your “last chance” in this civilization to advance.

Full document:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/02/11/do-returned-jesusmosesenoch-writes-ufo-cult-resurfaces-with-final-offer-in-usa-today/

Planet About To Be Recycled – Your Only Chance To Survive – Leave With Us

January 7, 2018

Planet About To Be Recycled – Your Only Chance To Survive – Leave With Us

Edited Transcript of DO’s Videotape – October 5, 1996:

This is a very exciting time for us. Who is us? I’m “Do” (pronounced “Doe”) for starters, and I have in front of me a number of students, or my classroom, or in old language of a couple of thousand years ago, my disciples – those who are trying to prepare themselves for entry into the Evolutionary Level Above Human, synonymous with the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven. We’re going to talk to you about the most urgent thing that is on our mind, and what we suspect is the most urgent thing on the minds of those who will connect with us.

We’ll title this tape, “Planet Earth About to be Recycled – Your Only Chance to Evacuate is to Leave With Us.” Planet Earth about to be recycled – Your only chance to survive or evacuate is to leave with us. Now, that’s a pretty drastic statement – pretty bold – in terms of religion, inn terms of anybody’s intelligent thinking. To most people who would consider themselves intelligent beings, they’d say, “Well, that’s absurd. What’s all this doomsday stuff? What’s all this prophetic, apocalyptic talk?” You know, intelligent human beings should realize that all things have their own cycle. They have their season. They have their beginning, they have their end. We’re not saying that planet Earth is coming to an end. We’re saying that planet Earth is about to be refurbished, spaded under, and have another chance to serve as a garden for a future human civilization.

Now, the reason this is such an interesting time is not only because we’re on the threshold of the end of this civilization (because it’s about to be recycled), but because of where that finds us, and where that finds you – where that finds those who would judge us – how we would speak of them, and how they would speak of us. Now, you might say, “You keep saying `us’? Who do you think you are?” Well, I, in all honesty, to address that must first acknowledge who my Father is. My Father is not a human father. My Father is a member of the Evolutionary Level Above Human – the Kingdom of God – the Kingdom of Heaven. My Father – long before this civilization began – gave me birth into that Kingdom Level Above Human, that Kingdom of Heaven, that Kingdom of God.

Now, you can say, “I can’t believe that!” Well, it’s up to you whether you believe that or not. That’s not important to me, even though I wish that you could believe it for your sake. For those who do believe it stand a possibility of having a future beyond this recycling time. Now, you say, “According to religious literature, I thought there was someone else who was going to come and be our “Savior” here at these last days – that that was going to be Christ’s return?” Well, the name “Christ” or the name “Jesus” might be a little confusing. Because the name “Jesus,” of course, was merely the name given to the body that that mind (that was indeed from the Kingdom of Heaven) incarnated into. That mind was here 2000 years ago, and that mind came for the express purpose of teaching humans how they could be “saved”- how they would not be plowed under at the End of the Age. Well, we’re now at the End of the Age. So that mind that was in Jesus – What? That mind, that spirit, that soul is me, and in this body called “Do” that you’re looking at? You’ll have to decide that for yourself. I must admit that I am here again. That I’m here saying exactly the same thing that I said then, trying to say it in today’s language, trying to hope that, for your sakes, you can see what we have to offer you. For the Next Level, through my Father and through me, is offering you LIFE for the first time – and we’re not talking about human lifee.

Now, the planet is about to be recycled, and we say we see the planet as a steppingstone – planet Earth as a steppingstone. Just as with a civilization, that civilization can evolve upwards – each segment within that civilization has the option to become more civilized, less barbaric. It would be better for them if they took more civilized options. Not that they necessarily do. Sometimes they seem to appear to be more civilized when, in fact, they have become more barbaric, more quick to condemn the rest of the world, more quick to kill the rest of the world that does not think as they think.

Well, I know what I said a few moments ago. I said that I am the return of the Son of my Father. I’ll tell you something that’s even more remarkable: my Father came with me this time. He came in the early `70’s, took on a human form – an adult female human form. He helped me “get into” an adult human form, in the early `70’s. And we together helped those who came with us (our students, who were also here 2000 years ago as disciples) get in the bodies that they are presently wearing – so that they could rid themselves of human behavior, human activity, human thinking – so that they could be ready at this time to move into the Kingdom of Heaven or the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

These that are sitting before me have been students of Ti and Do – Ti, my Father – and they are still students of Ti and Do, even though Ti returned to the Heavens in 1985. Ti is my Heavenly Father and is the One who gave me birth into that Kingdom before this civilization began. Now, I’m not here to sell you on that, or who I am or who these are. I’m here to offer you, as these are, an opportunity to know the Truth, so that if you can connect with it, at any level, then you might survive the re-spading or the recycling that is about to occur.

We made a tape just shortly ago, and in that tape we said that there are three types of individuals who will survive the recycling. One type is those individuals who have overcome their humanness enough that when the End of this Age is complete, when the war is over (the spading complete, there is nothing left here except for recycling), when the end of that occurs, that first type will have reached a condition of having overcome human behavior, human thinking, human desires – desiring only to be in the Kingdom of Heaven, in the Evolutionary Level Above Human, being of service in that Kingdom. When they have done that overcoming to that degree, at that point they are a match for a physical body belonging to that Kingdom.

Humans think that this is a flesh body world, and it is. But, more importantly, it is a human flesh body world. The Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven, the Evolutionary Level Above Human also has bodies. I wouldn’t say flesh bodies because they have different characteristics. But it is a physical body, a biological body, and in a sense, it is equivalent to a human body for that next Evolutionary Level. It doesn’t need the kind of fuel that humans need, for it’s not a mammalian body. It doesn’t reproduce. It’s not male nor female. It probably would look like what you might consider a very attractive “extraterrestrial.” Most of the illustrations of extraterrestrials these days have been grotesque – looked like giant insects, or slimy reptilians, or have eyes so big that you could fall into them. An extraterrestrial that we would consider a genuine extraterrestrial is not a “fallen angel,” is not a “space alien.”

We see fallen angels and space aliens as synonymous – fallen angels and space aliens are synonymous. And the Next Level – the only real extraterrestrials – have a body similar to the human body. The human body was made from the same basic design, the same general form, except the human body is more animal than that Next Level form. The human body has hair, needs teeth, has physical characteristics that are appropriate to this environment. When you go into an environment that does not require eating things that you have to pull off the bone, or crack the shells off the nut, then certainly teeth are not needed. A Next Level body in a non-earthly environment also needs no hair. That Next Level body is a creature that looks very attractive, has two eyes, some remnant of a nose, some remnant of ears – what you would call remnants – even though they function very well as nose, as ears. They have a voice box, but don’t really need to use it, for they can communicate by thought – communicate with their minds. And that’s an extraterrestrial – that is the “body” belonging to a member of the Evolutionary Level Above Human, the Kingdom of Heaven, the Kingdom of God. It’s true, they could seem unattractive to you if you’re really “into” human flesh bodies and see them as beautiful.

You know, there are sayings that there is seed of flesh, or there are things that are born of flesh, and there are things that are born of spirit. Also, born of water is synonymous with being born of flesh. If people really understood the more accurate of the religious literature, and could read it as it was intended to be read, they would know it clarifies that seed of flesh (human) was and is, literally, seed of the negative, the opposition, the space aliens, the fallen angels. Therefore, to the Next Level, human flesh has become a product of the lower forces, and is of the kingdom level beneath the Kingdom of God – that kingdom level that rightfully should be only a steppingstone leading to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Now, this understanding isn’t meant to put you down or to say that an individual is necessarily “evil” just because they’re wearing a human vehicle. I’m wearing a human vehicle, because I have to wear one for this task. I don’t like it. It doesn’t match me. And those who sit in front of me don’t like their human vehicles that they have to wear for this task. But they have to wear them, because the task of overcoming the human kingdom requires that they overcome human flesh – the genetic vibrations, the lust of the flesh, the desire to reproduce, the desire to cling to offspring, or spouse, or parents, or house, or money, or fame, or job, or, or – that could go on and on – overcoming the human flesh and its desires – even its religious desires. There is not a religion on the face of the globe that is of God, as it is today. All of those ideologies that are called religions use corrupted records and corrupted interpretations of man’s relationship with someone from the Kingdom of God, the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

In other words, it’s like the religious literature (the Bible, the Torah, the Koran, etc.) are written as time manuals. So that ancient religious literature, with its laws and rules, was appropriate to the time that it was written in and to that phase of civilization. Less ancient literature, with its laws, was appropriate to its own particular age. What did the “Lord” God – the one who was here long before the Messiah came – say to His people? Through His prophets, He said, `I will send a Savior, a Messiah to help you get out of the human kingdom,’ knowing that some humans should certainly reach a condition where they would be ready to move up into His Kingdom by that period in time when His Representative – the Messiah – would be sent. When thee One He sent came as the “Messiah,” truly some in the civilization at that time were prepared for the information – the steps, the requirements – that that Messiah had to offer to those who would seek His Father’s Kingdom.

Well, that Savior came, that Messiah came. And after a brief teaching period with those He picked – those who were His disciples/students – He said, `I will come again.’ And His Father sent Him again. And for me to say that I was and am He, is to most, utter blasphemy. In other words, what I say to you now is a direct, present, current transmission – information from the Kingdom Level of My Father, the Level Above Human, the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven.

Today’s Christians say they are Christians and think they are Christians. And yet they seldom quote the most important things that Jesus said. Jesus said, `If you want to know My Father, if you want to move into My Father’s Kingdom, then shed everything of this world – leave everything behind – and come and follow Me. And unless you hate everything of this world, your sister, your mother, your brother – everything of this world – you will not know the Kingdom of Heaven. You have to graft to Me, you have to cling to Me, if I am to literally take you into My Father’s house.’ Most Christians, world over, mostly frequently quote Paul – who never sat with that Representative (Jesus), nor was Paul ever a student of that Representative. Christians say, “Oh, I love Jesus. He’s in my heart. I’m filled with Jesus. Jesus wants me to live an abundant human life. He wants me to have riches. He wants me to have more children so that I can bring them up with Christian family values.” I don’t remember Jesus ever saying that, “What I want you to do is to go get married, have families, have children, and together bring all of them and I will take them into the Kingdom of Heaven.” He only spoke to individuals – and said, `The only way out of here is for you to know that as an individual this human world is not for you – that tie that binds you to the human kingdom is not for you. If you know it is not for you, then come to Me – and My Father will feed Me information that can nourish you – and help you overcome this world – and we’ll leave this world, and we’ll go to My Father’s Kingdom.’

Remember, we’re not talking about a spiritual kingdom – no clouds, no harps – even though we are talking about in the heavens. But the Heavens are no more spiritual than when you go out at night and look at the Heavenly bodies and see them. They are literally there. They are physical. My Father’s Kingdom also moves or travels in spacecrafts (some of which are even organic). You could say, “Oh, my goodness, that’s outrageous.” Well, you don’t like the illustrations of chariots of fire or wheel within a wheel? You don’t like the illustrations that are in your religious literature that tell of spacecrafts of my Father’s Kingdom? “Clouds of light” – at that time they didn’t know what else to call them. Even when they saw angels that they said had wings – how else could they have described that they fly? That didn’t necessarily mean they had feathers on their backs (though that possibility exists as well). Certainly some of these illustrations mean that they came to Earth in a flying object and they left aboard that flying object. And when they saw Jesus ascend, they said, “He went up into that cloud of light.”

Now, I’m not trying to make a big deal over the means of transportation issue. For a spacecraft – belonging to the Level Above Human – is much more than a piece of transportation. It is a very valuable work station. It is commonly a place of service to the Level Above Human. These students that are leaving this kingdom level to go with me to my Father’s Kingdom, to my Father’s house, these will not go into houses on some planet like Earth, and reproduce, and have families and sit and watch television and make scrambled eggs. They’re going to be genderless individuals, in service – full time – for whatever need the Level Above Human, the Kingdom of Heaven has for them. And the tools they use, the workstations that they use are spacecrafts – all sizes. Spacecrafts that are so small that a very small crew could fit into them because that small spacecraft is best suited for that given task. Spacecrafts that are so large you can’t even see the outer extremities of them. They could look like something larger than a planet to the observers, because that size craft is best suited for whatever laboratory work or experimentation is going on. All sizes are used for a variety of purposes.

How can these students be effective servants in that Kingdom if they’re worried about their children, or their dogs, or their horses, or their cats, or how much time they have to put in at the Rotary, or such things as that. As individuals they serve one or two individuals – older Representatives of that Next Kingdom – who are their instructors for their assigned tasks. Just as in the task that we’re in now with this classroom – these look to me as their Older Member, their instructor, for everything. I look to my Older Member for everything – to fill me in on what these students’ needs are and how I might be used to instruct them. I’m not just talking about their physical needs, but their mental/spirit/soul needs – how they can most effectively make their change from human into the Kingdom Level Above Human.

Now, this is not to say that we know that there is a guarantee that we will all go on board a craft together, in order to leave before this spading under occurs. We will definitely go on board a craft to leave before the “spading under” occurs. You could say, “Well, what’s the difference?” Well, the difference is that we don’t yet know if we are going to take these flesh bodies on board that craft or if we will leave these flesh bodies behind before we board. We don’t believe that Our Father’s Kingdom has much need for these flesh bodies. But, it’s possible that a spacecraft will come down, and we’ll walk on board that craft, and they’ll take these bodies from us, and issue us the ones that belong to that Level so that we might begin our service. It is also possible that part of our test of faith is our hating this world, even our flesh body, to the extent to be willing to leave it without any proof of the Next Level’s existence, other than what we have come to know: that we have nothing to fear; that we are in Good keeping; that we can leave the body that we’re in and Be that soul, that identity, which totally survives that separation – whether it is by martyrdom, because someone went crazy over our “righteous blasphemy,” or whatever event that might separate us from that human body that we are wearing. Our faith is primarily based upon our trust in our Older Members. We do know one thing – we don’t care to cling to the life of this body until it naturally “gives up.” We don’t care to be aborted by the body that we’re wearing. We care more to abort it in proof to our Heavenly Father that we trust Him and are ready to leave this place. We’re ready to go into His Kingdom. And they, these students, have to say to my Father, “We trust your Son. We trust the One You sent for our sakes. Even so much that we have no hesitation to leave this place – to leave the body that we are wearing.. We know that whatever happens to us after we leave this body is a step forward from what we were, and that we don’t care to be here any longer.”

Earlier in this tape I spoke to you of three types of individuals who can be salvaged from this re-spading. One type that I mentioned was those who have overcome enough that they will get an issue of a physical body belonging to the Next Level, and go into service, as a crew member, working for the Next Level. A second type of individual that can be salvaged from this planet at this time are those who don’t quite reach that point of overcoming by the time it is time to leave. But they are still faithful to the best of their ability in their effort of breaking away, leaving their humanity, and looking to us – looking to me, looking to my Father, looking to the Next Level – to give them the strength and the understanding of how they can break away more quickly. So wherever they are, to the best of their capability, at the time of our exit, even if they are not ready for issue of a Next Level body – they may have to experience a time in a civilization that is yet to come and do more overcoming of the human kingdom. But they will be in the keeping of the Kingdom Level Above Human, just as these have been in the keeping of the Kingdom Level Above Human – not just here at this time, in this generation, with me and with Ti.

“Ti” isn’t Ti’s name, by the way. “Do” isn’t Do’s name. I’m not even given to tell you what my name or Ti’s name is. The Next Level wouldn’t have humans know what our real names are. I had to put that in for the record, so that you would understand.

Back to the previous subject, the second type of individual who can go into the Kingdom of Heaven is one who, at the time we leave, has not completed their human overcoming to the satisfaction of the Next Level, and therefore the Next Level will bring them back when a civilization is at its development point to be a “match” – at the point where those individuals might pick up where they left off. Then they will reach “issue time” for a Next Level body by or before the end of the next civilization.

The third type of soul or individual who can go to the Kingdom of Heaven now, with us, and be in the keeping of that Kingdom, are those who either hear our voice right at the end of our task, or have received this information and don’t know where it’s coming from. In other words, some might hear our voice and might know where it is coming from, might know that I exist in physical form here, about to leave. Others might not make contact, but something tells them, “I’ve got to break away, I can’t stand to stay here. I’ve got to put my life on the line for the Kingdom of Heaven.”

The lower forces’ whole effort is to have potential members of the Next Level not succeed in remaining faithful to the end so that they might prevent them from coming into the keeping of the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven.

So, here we are. We’re going public with this information once again, right before we leave. This is like putting ourselves right out on the chopping block where the lower forces will have a chance to try to demean us, have the world turn against us, and try to do us in. It will challenge all those who are religious minded to look at us and say, “Hmmm, how could that possibly be the Truth, is this not the Anti-Christ or the spurious Messiah?” “Spurious Messiah” is the term that some prominent television/satellite ministries use in describing the Anti-Christ, who, they say, is to arrive on the scene before Christ returns. So, in their eyes, since the Anti-Christ has not yet arrived, then Christ’s return must be at a later time. Well, I hate to tell you, but the Anti-Christ – the spurious Messiah – has been on the scene ever since my Father and I left 2000 years ago. And he and his helpers have worked as hard as they could through religions, through governments, through “acceptable” morality, through “responsibility as a human,” to brainwash humans to expect “Heaven on Earth.” Those lower forces have “programmed” humans, especially Christians, to see our arrival “on the scene” as the Anti-Christ. Those fallen angels – those humanoid space aliens – would have humans not look to or expect to go to a Kingdom of Heaven, but to look for a Heaven on Earth – where they might reign as your Christ – to work toward the future – to be preoccupied with replicating or reproducing children – and laying aside enough money to take care of those children so that they will have a future, and they will have a future, and they will have a future. A future in what? – the human kingdom? What an abomination! To the Next Level the human kingdom is, at its best, nothing more than a potential steppingstone. It’s clear that anyone who wants to stay in the human kingdom – and make it some sort of divinity – is looking to some “spurious Messiah,” an anti-Christ indeed.

Now, I know that those who are expecting the arrival of the “spurious Messiah” – “the anti-Christ” – if they become aware of this tape and of Do sitting here saying what I’m saying now, they’ll say, “That’s the one. Because I warned you that the spurious Messiah would say, `I’ll take you out of here. I’ll rapture you into my father’s kingdom.’ ” And that’s what I’m saying. I’m saying that, “If you can believe my Father’s information, if you can believe the Truth that we share with you, and if you believe it enough that you can put your trust in me – and that could be a “big dose” for some – you will soon find yourself in the safekeeping of the Kingdom of Heaven.” These students in front of me know me well. If you have some of my Father’s mind in you, you can have recognition as well, even with only this brief viewing, though I’ll remind you that the lower forces will do everything they can to have you lose or doubt that recognition.

We have a website now, you know, it’s the popular thing – everybody has to have a website. Our website on the Internet is called Heavensgate. Heavensgate – oh, of course, .com. Everything is .com. We’re not .org, we’re .com. So if you want to, you can learn more about who we are, what we have to say, what I have to say, what my Older Member can share with you through what we have said, and know of our history. We have nothing to hide. Even though to some, we might be a dangerous cult. We understand that. Why dangerous? Because we threaten the family, we threaten the established norm of family values. If you knew Jesus 2000 years ago, you would know that exactly the same thing occurred. And that the reason for getting rid of Him was because if people really began to follow Him to any significant degree, it would threaten the political, and certainly the religious norm. His teachings were clearly against what the mainstream was teaching, what the norm was in the governments or the family, and certainly against the religion of that time.

Religion today is an interesting thing. Remember how we said a moment ago that the religious literature like the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, are time manuals. In the time that something was written, as the Lord or as God related to man, it was appropriate for them at that time. And yet we have the bulk (if not the vast majority) of humans on the planet today who are very religious living exactly as they were trying to live some 5000 years ago, or some 4000 years ago. They never made it to 2000 years ago. But 2000 years ago, a chance to get out of here, was available to those who listened to what the Next Level’s Representative had to say. A chance to get out of here – out of the human kingdom – whenever it is offered, requires everyything of you – that you, as an individual, go join some cult – that you leave everything behind – that you ignore the members of your faamily – that you ignore the responsibility to your community – that you ignore your career – and that hearts will be broken.

I don’t mean to make light of that, “that hearts will be broken.” I know that hearts are broken. I also know that anyone who leaves to go to my Father’s Kingdom, that any heart that is broken in the process of that transition, can easily be more than healed, if that heart looks to my Father for healing, and looks to my Father for understanding. That soul does not need to see this as a terrible experience. Many times, the worst things in the human kingdom that can happen to us, end up being the best things that could happen to us. Because we learn “in depth” lessons as a result of those difficult times. Every life that was touched by these who are sitting in front of me – every life that was hurt or experienced pain by their leaving and becoming students of mine and of my Father’s – was hurt, severely hurt. Some of them still hurt. They could actually say, “Thank you, God, for the lesson that is mine to learn in this experience. And as far as that individual that I used to call my son or daughter, or my husband or wife, I put them in Your trust. I cannot tell them what they must do with their life. That is their decision.”

We cannot judge each other. I cannot judge you. I don’t care to judge you. You will judge yourselves by how you respond to what we have to say, by what you can accept and what you can’t. In some cases, it’s almost better that you never see me, or hear what we say, for that will put you to the test of whether or not you will condemn me, whether or not you will judge me. You cannot hurt me. You cannot hurt these. We can only be hurt if we displease our Heavenly Father.

It’s funny that the world – the mainstream human world – is so quick to condemn and judge (those who are not like them) as if they were God Almighty. They would also judge those who would follow us, determining the worthlessness of any that would join some cult, assuming that that is the worst thing that anyone could possibly do, for they are being brainwashed and led down the wrong track into some occult camp, and they’re going to the devil. What is the devil like? Know your literature. What do the fallen angels like? They like the pleasures of the human flesh – the aspirations of this world.

What is told to you in all religious literature – that you will find if you ever reach the Kingdom of Heaven? There, there will be no males, no females, no children, no families other than your relationship with God – your Lord. Your Lord is whichever Member of His Kingdom He has given to you, assigned to you as your Helper, your Instructor, your Teacher. This is so simple that it sounds unreal-unspiritual. This information would be easier to accept if it were more spiritual, if it were more complicated, if it had more ritual with it, or more trappings of religion. In my Father’s house, no incense is required, no flowing robes, no tinkling bells, no genuflecting, no sitting in the lotus position, no things of “spirituality,” even though our Father’s Kingdom requires cleansing of the spirit/the mind. It requires ridding ourselves of the mind of the human kingdom – ridding ourselves of the lusts of the human world, and of the binds to the human level.

“Being filled with spirit” is an interesting thing for you to think about. What happened when the illustration was made that Jesus was with John the Baptist, and was being baptized, and a dove descended and He was “filled with the Holy Spirit”? “Filled with the Holy Spirit” meant that the major portion of Jesus’ mind, His Next Level identity, was entering the body that He was wearing to the degree that the vehicle’s human mind was no longer affecting Him – He had aborted that mind of the human kingdom. He was “filled” with the mind of His Father. The mind of His Father is “Holy Spirit.” Any mind of the Level Above Human is pure Spirit – is Holy Spirit. To think of “being filled with the Holy Spirit” as something that comes-and-knocks-you-down-and- makes-you-fall-on-the-floor-because-somebody-is-trying-to-heal- your-broken-knee, is an abomination. It is anything but the “Holy Spirit” that you’re being “filled with.” Likewise, to “babble” in some indiscernible “mumbo-jumbo” and call it “speaking in tongues” or “being filled with the Holy Spirit” is also an outrage. It might be an experience of being “filled with the spirit,” but it certainly is not the Holy Spirit.

You know, a soul is another very interesting thing, because my Father’s Kingdom plants souls. And souls become the great separator as they are planted. My Father’s Kingdom plants souls in many humans each time a Representative of the Kingdom Level Above Human is to be incarnate on planet Earth – plants many souls in many human plants. Now, even though they’re planted in the flesh, because the flesh is what has to be overcome, they are really planted in the spirit of that flesh. The spirit being the mind or the intelligence of that flesh. And you can say, “Well, does that mean that everybody doesn’t have a soul?” Yes, that’s exactly what it means. But it also means that anybody can have a soul that can believe in my Father – the reality of my Father, the reality of His Son, and the reality of His Kingdom.

In other words, those who are given the responsibility and the task of planting those souls, plant them in all of the human plants who have a potential of making that step – using that steppingstone – and getting out of the human kingdom and into that Next Kingdom Level. That soul, as the separator, helps the individual, in their mind (in their spirit), abort human thinking, human evaluation, human behavior, and replace it with the mind that they get from the Representatives – the mind of the Next Level – fill it up, fill it up, fill it up. When it is so filled and enough aborting of human mind has occurred – then that individual has come into viability – has come into bloom enough that that individual is ready to go to “quartermaster” when they leave this planet, and be issued a body, of service, belonging to the Kingdom of my Father.

Now, let me say this: all human plants – even in their genetic structure – have a little bit of Heavenly mind, or mind of the Kingdom of God, mind of the Evolutionary Level Above Human (I have to say all of those each time I say it, just to remind you I’m talking about the same thing). Each human plant has a little bit of that Next Level mind in it. So theoretically, and this is true, that if there is a human listening to me who, in fact, may not at this moment have a soul, but that plant listens to me, and says, “Could it be true, what Do is saying? It sounds crazy, but I wonder if that’s true?” Even that degree of curiosity would attract the attention of the Next Level crew which is assigned to planting souls. That crew will be sure that a separator (a soul) is immediately made available to that individual. So that deposit of a soul could happen very, very quickly. They’re not going to let it happen, that any potential recipients of their Kingdom not have the needed receptacle of Next Level spirit coming into full blossom as pure spirit, pure mind, of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Now, let’s go back to the topic of urgency. I don’t know if you are aware that a great deal of literature used by many scholars today, says that the calendar that humans use is off by 4 years. And that Jesus was born in 4 B.C. Now, if Jesus was born in 4 B.C., and this is ’96 A.D., could this be the year 2000 – the millenium, the beginning of the end? That’s why we’re talking. For us to surface with who we are and the information that we are surfacing with, we know, could challenge you to want to squelch us. It’s interesting that we see the world – we see the world – as the anti-Truth, the anti-Christ, the spurious Messiah. The world – those who want to stay in the world – will see us as anti-Truth, anti-Christ, spurious Messiah. We’re prepared for that. We know that that is inevitable at this time. That was inevitable 2000 years ago – that is what found Jesus sentenced to die on a cross.

Remember, we said that the third type of person who can actually be salvaged at the end, can be taken into the keeping of the Next Level, simply because they believe in what we say. That simple belief is what occurred in the mind of the thief who was on the cross next to Jesus. When Jesus recognized his belief, He told him that, `this day he would, upon their departure, be with Him in paradise.’ He knew that he seriously believed. And He knew that is all that it took – is for him to believe who He was. Even believing Him in a condition when He was being killed as a heretic – against the Church, against the systemm. The Church today certainly will see us as against the Church. The Church of today is not of God. Though once the true followers – the Church – were of God. The only true Church of today are those who are connected with the present existence of the Next Level, the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven – and the Representative from that Kingdom.

This time is so exciting to us, even though we know that it is close to our end, and that is why it is exciting to us. We don’t expect to or want to build a Church on this planet. We don’t want any gothic Cathedral. We don’t want any membership roll. We don’t want to help you reproduce so that we have more children to put on the Sunday school roll in our Church. We are a group of believers in the Kingdom Level Above Human, who want to leave and enter that Kingdom, and become of significant service to that Kingdom.

This does not mean that when in the human kingdom, that a strong humanitarian drive is not a healthy thing. Because really a strong humanitarian drive is motivated to improve. But if you could only see that a human condition is a temporary condition, a steppingstone, an opportunity to get out of this kingdom, then you could accept this Truth. This is as scientific – this is as true as true could be – but you have to know me, you have to trust me, you have to believe me. Some can know me now. Some can even know me for the first time when they see this tape and say, “I don’t know what there is, but there’s something in my head that makes me know that fellow, and makes me know that what he’s saying is true. And I may be wrong, but I’m going to try to find more out and see if that’s what I need to be a part of. Because I know that this Earth has become something that is not where I belong.”

It’s funny – not funny – it’s really sad that a segment of my Father’s Kingdom, in particular my personal Heavenly Father, related to a community that is today considered the early Jewish community, and worked with them preparing them for my presence here 2000 years ago and now. And yet, the Jewish community of then and now, would certainly see me as anything but a Representative of God. The Muslims, who are considered by some to be the enemy of the Judeo-Christians, many of them have sustained a more real connection with God – with some higher standards of behavior, and with more restraint. You know, one of my students reminded me just today that they came in contact with a Muslim who said, “Look, you know you people of the West have a wrong idea of what we are. We don’t praise Mohammed. We don’t worship Mohammed. We consider Mohammed a prophet of many prophets. Many of the books of our literature are about Jesus. And I say, `Great is God’ more than 50 times a day, because God means so much to me.” God means so much to many of them that they are more modest in the clothing that they wear. Many are more on guard against sensuality and “worldly” things. God means so much to many of them that they are willing to die for God and justify that frame of mind more quickly than they would a willingness to die for nation, or die for world. I’m not saying that Muslims are the ones who are going to inherit God’s Kingdom any more than anyone else. In the eyes of the Kingdom of Heaven, there’s no such thing as race or color or religious background. It doesn’t matter – none of it matters. If the extent of your religious background was Star Trek – that in itself could be the best background you could have, if you could accept this as Truth, if you could accept this as reality.

This is a test time. You could easily say, “Here’s a little bitty classroom, with some old fellow with a prune face sitting here, calling himself Do, saying, `I’m a Representative of the Kingdom of God.’ How can I believe that?” If you have some of my Father’s mind in you, you will have some recognition of us and this information. Even though once you recognize me, the forces of this world will dive in with all their might to have you lose that recognition, to have you not trust me, to have you come to your senses, and come back into the service of this world.

I hope this tape session with you will be the beginning of our relationship. If this tape session is used to validate your seeing us as anti-God, the Anti-Christ, so be it. That’s part of what we expect. That’s part of the necessity of what comes at this time. It’s the common thing for us to see each other as opposites of what we believe we are.

I’m so happy, because my time is short here. If you come with us, your time here can be shortened. When Jesus left 2000 years ago – or the one who was in Jesus, or when I left 2000 years ago – only a very short time after that, Truth was significantly corrupted. So that no matter who tried to use the name of “Jesus,” or of “Christ,” or His information – seeing it as true, seeing it as real, referring to what had been said of what it takes to come into my Kingdom – that fell apart, that deteriorated, that became unimportant. It’s a miracle that His Teachings can still be found in the gospels – they’re still there – you’d be amazed, you should read them again. Likewise this time, after I’m gone, when we leave, when we enter into my Father’s spacecraft in order to go into service in His Kingdom, the Truth will deteriorate as fast as we depart. It will leave this atmosphere within a very short time.

I hope for your sake that you will, at least, ponder this – don’t ask your neighbors, your friends, what they think of this. Instead, go into the privacy of your “closet” and see if you can connect with the purest, highest source that you might consider “God,” and ask: “What about this? Is this information for real? Is this for me? If it is, then please give me the strength I need to pursue it.” As soon as you tell anyone else, they will likely be used by the lower forces as their instruments to have you not believe, to have you stay in this world and wait for the “Heaven on Earth.”

We hope to be of some service to you in this short time before our departure. We believe it to be a very short time. So our thoughts will be of you. We hope that your thoughts will be of our Father’s Kingdom.

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X-Member of the Heaven’s Gate Cult claims Sawyer was not in touch with feelings “inner child”

December 17, 2017

X-Member of the Heaven’s Gate Cult claims Sawyer was not in touch with feelings because the amount of self-suppression and as he said “demonizing the responses of the vehicle” taught by TI and DO was designed to facilitate the “sweeping out of one’s house” of humanness that Jesus taught was part of the “Christing” overcoming process to qualify for a crew position on a Next Level Above Human environment/society spacecraft.

Episode 5 – The Tape – refers to the Pineapple Street media’s 10 episode series podcast entitled, Heaven’s Gate to be found on Stitcher and ITunes and Goggle Play that employs celebrity podcast producer Glynn Washington, known most for his NPR podcast, Snap Judgement.

Frank was known in the Heaven’s Gate group as Andody and Sawyer was known as Swyody. Frank left over a year before Sawyer did and for different reasons that he explains in Episode 6 – The Choice.

Here is Franks comment to Sawyer on the podcasts Facebook page for episode 5:

Frank: The Importance of the Inner Communication of Feelings:

I hope Sawyer won’t mind, but I found something quite poignant that he said in his November 28 reply to Episode 5 – The Tape. Note that these are my opinions.

This is what Sawyer said:

‘When Glynn would ask me, what I was feeling at the major junctions, I had nothing to say. I wasn’t ever operating on “feelings” except for feeling I was doing exactly what I wanted to be doing.’

So, what are feelings? Why was Sawyer not more in touch with his feelings?

I see Sawyer’s quote and the sentiment it expressed as a key indicator of the amount of self-suppression that occurred in the Heaven’s Gate cult. The self-suppression occurred as a result of Ti and Do demonizing the responses of the “vehicle” (the body) and the vehicle’s mind as lower, lesser, or inappropriate to what would be acceptable to a member of the Next Level (according to Ti and Do whom we looked to as knowledgeable authorities on the Next Level).

For me, since leaving the HG cult, I have come to see feelings as the language of intuition. Our inner guidance system communicates to us through feelings. I see feelings as messengers of our inner being, whether that’s our “inner child” crying out for something that it needs, or our higher selves whispering guidance to us. Either way, because feelings are inner messages, they need to be heard.

To talk about “higher self” presupposes the belief that we are more than physical flesh and blood beings, which I believe we are. I believe we are spiritual (energetic) beings having a physical experience in the third density reality we call life on planet earth.

I think most would agree that we need all the insight we can get to help navigate our lives. My opinion is that often our logical minds fall short. My experience is that all of us can receive very effective guidance from our higher selves through our intuition which, again, is communication through feelings.

In the case of feelings being messages from our inner child, if those feelings are suppressed, they will find other ways to express, indirectly through subconscious behavior or sickness, or even reflected back through others around us. Conversely, if we listen to the messages of our inner child—and I’m not saying to act out those messages but to allow ourselves to fully hear and feel those messages—we will learn valuable information about ourselves. If we allow those inner messages to express in our awareness, without suppressing, distracting ourselves, or changing the channel—even if doing so is temporarily painful—we will often free up the energy used to suppress those feelings. We will peel away a layer of inner conflict, letting deeper, more authentic parts of ourselves express and shine.

In my experience of spending 18 years in the Heaven’s Gate cult, and unraveling that experience over the last two+ decades, I am deeply aware of how much I suppressed of my authentic expression in order to fit in with what I thought at the time were the requirements of my ascension to “heaven” (the Next Level). It has taken me some time to return to allowing myself to fully listen to my feelings and all the self-awareness and intuitive guidance that they bring.

I have come to see that my most important relationship is with myself—in a self-focused way, in the same way that to help someone else put on their oxygen mask, I must first put my own oxygen mask on.

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Sawyer’s reply:

First off, I love all honest communication, critical of me and/or of TI and DO or not.

You pose the question, “Why was Sawyer not more in touch with his feelings?”

Maybe in the context in which I wrote about not having “feelings” to those questions, it appears I was not as in touch with my feelings as I could have been. Of that, I can not say for sure. I was not aware of not being in touch with them then or even looking back now. One of those examples was when I joined, so that can hardly be blamed on Ti and Do as by that point I hadn’t even met Ti and Do and there were no “classroom” teachings of the self-control over thoughts and/or feelings. It was 1-2 years after we joined in 1975 that I recall Ti and Do instructing the class in the need to exercise self control over even thoughts of sensuality/sexuality, when before then it wasn’t spelled out beyond physical celibacy.

The other example I gave that might have contributed to your characterization of my not being in touch with feelings on the matter, was from Ti’s exit of her vehicle. But my having no particular clear cut feeling about that, was not because of anything Ti and/or Do ever said. I don’t know why I didn’t feel more about that. I also didn’t have much feeling when I learned my vehicle’s dad died, while I was in the group. Maybe that was because I had noticed 9 months or so before that occurred in a dream where I woke up suddenly and sat up in my bunk feeling like he died of a massive heart attack. For the record I told DO about it and he asked me in person if I wanted to call him and I said, no (and I meant it. But as it turned out, DO soon scheduled calls for reasons I did not know about, a short time after that and when I called I spoke to my vehicle’s dad. He was fine, though I learned later he was diabetic but I had no details about his condition. I called again about a year later and learned he had passed from a massive heart attack. I saw my dad last during the 1987 2nd visit to families that DO scheduled after Ti left. Also for the record, I had no hidden anger against my dad. I had a relatively fine childhood though I certainly challenged them to where one time my dad gave me a hammer and wanted me to attack him with it, I think so he’d have an excuse to knock the hell out of me, for whatever reason I don’t recall for sure, but perhaps when I got caught stealing from a store or something like that.

In another history of my feelings or lack of, I can tell you that when Nancy Brown called me from the San Diego coroners office when she went to identify her son David’s body, my gut wrenched and I was truly sorry for her pain, so I know I have feelings. Actually I often have that kind of response to even news stories where people are weeping.

Another of the times I recall lacking clear feelings was in response to the groups exit. I was a little surprised as although we spoke of it a number of times, talking about things and doing things was not the same thing. We never had “suicide drills” like Jim Jones was reported to have had where his people weren’t told if the juice had poison in it or not, and it ended up not having poison, in a sense a method of conditioning his followers to do the deed. To explain my lack of emotion at that time all I can say is that I didn’t have that kind of emotional connection to my classmates. Such were not fostered in the group and I never had any doubt that they were still very much alive and would receive new dense physical vehicles on a spacecraft someplace.

Even saying that Ti and Do taught us to “suppress our feelings” to me is a distorted viewpoint. We experienced laughter, most everyday, though they taught restrained laughter. So instead of jumping up and down for joy about something (like my x=partner, now known as Sarah did when we first arrived to western Alberta, several years before we joined with Ti and Do, and saw the Canadian rocky mountains suddenly appear over a hill. Sarah jumped up and down. She was a live wire with her feelings and I thought it was cute and honest, but in the classroom, I believe that would have been inappropriate. Also Ti and Do taught that crying can be a form of giving into sensuality, so we were to try to restrain it. I don’t cry easily but have cried a handful of times in my life before and after the group. I saw Ti choke up once and saw DO silently and expressionlessly weeping a couple times and saw him choked up many times and I don’t think any of those were examples of crying as a form of sensuality. Having “restraint” was one lesson step to employ. Other examples of where we were taught to be restrained was in voice volume and in our steps and in the closing of doors and cabinets.

Incidentally, what many people don’t know is that Ti and Do didn’t teach that there was anything wrong with pleasure. It was their program, if we wanted to be in their program, that we were required to only have the pleasures they provided, whether that was with food, as in ice cream and other sweet “treats” or by going to the movies or the zoo or to a museum or a theosophy meeting or by playing tennis or running on a track or playing volley ball, all of which we had at times, though in each we were to learn to do these things “in the way a member of the Next Level would do them,” which was according to Ti and Do’s judgement. For example the way a Member of the Next Level would play volleyball would be with the object of the game being to see how long the ball could be kept from hitting the ground instead of trying to make others miss the ball.

Even so, in the context of Glynn’s questions of why I joined and what I felt at TI’s exit and at the exit of the classroom, like I said, I didn’t have particular feelings. I can’t say I was sad or happy really. But I have a hard time seeing that lack of “feeling” in those cases as my not having communication with my “inner being,” though I understand that’s your profession now so perhaps you tend to paint others with that brushstroke.

That new age jargon often seems to me like it’s come into the pop CULT-ure to try to escape the original meanings of terms, most of which I first learned from Ti and Do and then saw their application in the records (Bible, etc.) when I started to write my Revelation’s prophecy interpretation book.

An “inner being”, to me was once referred to as a “spirit” or “soul”. My inner being was telling me loud and clear that I was involved with the greatest souls I could imagine existing that never waned even throughout my fall (thanks to God). This is exactly what I believe Chkody (Erika) and a number of others expressed as an “immediate recognition” shown in her part of the Exit Tapes.

I don’t know what you consider the “inner being” to actually be. Ti and Do didn’t elaborate in great technical detail about the meaning of some terms. They used the word “Mind” a lot ie. “get your Mind in your vehicle.” Later after Ti left is when I recall DO saying Mind was equivalent to the word Spirit. It wasn’t until around 1989 or so, when DO and crew wrote the book, The Transfiguration Diet that I learned more about those terms and it wasn’t until after I left the group that I learned from their Heaven’s Gate Book writings even more about what a Soul really is and how there are different kinds of souls for different ages of Minds entering into them and what actually constituted a “spirit/mind”. (see “Incarnating and Discarnating” on my blog or still on the Heaven’s Gate web page. Their entire book is there for a free download in text format).

In the Transfiguration Diet book, Do taught that there were one of “Three I’s” behind anyone’s saying, “I believe… this or that.” In other words the “I” is representing one of three voices; 1) The genetic expression from ancestral experiences of the human strain the vehicle developed within, 2) the vehicles immediate familial and/or societal “environmental” influences from the birth of the vehicle, that together form the spirit/mind of the vehicle and 3) the Mind that was part of a “deposit” (a subtle physical type of “computer chip”), the Soul, literally individually deposited into human vehicles by Members of the Next Level that returning Souls are put into by the Next Level and thus is where the idea of reincarnation comes from. Ti and Do always taught that the eastern religions definitions of reincarnation are not accurate, but the idea that Souls come back to incarnate into new vehicles is true.

For the sake of understanding only, anyone who takes offense at saying that all humans don’t have that third Soul component of the “I”, or inner being, there is no way to know who does or who doesn’t have one but anyone that wants it – wants to recognize more of what’s most true, can ask for it, that is, if they direct their asking to the highest source they can imagine existing in the distant heavens in search of the highest truths. Asking in that way avoids having renegade Souls and/or Spirits/minds, in the earth environment from providing an often lessor accurate answer to one’s questions. Having a Soul or not is unimportant because what’s most important for any seeker is whether we seek to “grow it” or not and if we do how quickly we choose to grow it, as I believe if we don’t use it, we can lose it. It’s not a competition, but everyone chooses their pace and the Next Level puts no limit on our pace. But the Spirit/mind of the vehicle still experiences the human kingdom “school” in each new vehicle it further develops within.

Ti and Do also taught that students (which at this time could apply to anyone, as there were more Souls “planted” than the 38 that laid down their lives, perhaps what the 144,000 number was recorded to represent), were developing a “feeler”, even associated with the Solar Plexus part of the human vehicle. TI also referred to this Feeler as a “muscle” and thus the basis of intuition.

I believe Frank is correct in saying Ti and Do taught that the vehicle’s mind was lower or lessor than the Mind that came from the Next Level and that relative to graduating out of the human kingdom it’s voice, for those who had chose to commit entirely to Ti and Do, in this example, was then the voice of a demon. In other words, by listening to our vehicle’s voice (no matter where it originated from) over our Next Level Mind’s voice (to the degree any human has drawn in Next Level Mind, which we often see as common sense, like not killing humans being a higher behavior than killing one another) would be allowing a demonic voice in our heads. A demon is the embodiment of any thought or action that is against Next Level behaviors and ways and the degree varies according to one’s grade in the Next Level Human Kingdom school that we are all in.

I didn’t hear Ti and Do using that term “demon” much. They called the “voices” of the vehicle either the emanation of the vehicle’s genetic mind (software programming) and/or from the spirit world (discarnates or renegade souls) or from thought transmissions, “Influences” and the “Lower Forces” of the planet and/or “Boogers,” lastly the term Ti and Do gave to identify the renegade souls (the legendary fallen angels, aka today as the space aliens (who are no longer allowed to circulate very far into space, who I believe can’t even circulate on the moon)) that were assigned to each class member to be an accelerated catalyst of their continued growth towards their graduation (spirit/soul/mind “birth,” as Jesus taught and termed) into Next Level membership.

So a big part of the classroom was to identify “influences,” whether in feelings (emotions) or via our thoughts that were human according to what Ti and Do taught. Initially that meant, putting the entire past of the vehicle behind us, hence changing the names we used to identify us as those names would trigger “tapes” (memories) that drag our vibration back into who we were before and we needed to become a new creature.

Ti and Do taught that in the human kingdom, such influences are many times actually “helpers.” They taught that our vehicles were actually biological computer systems that discarnates sought to use and “timeshare”, like what we see in a computer system that has different “buttons” to push to start programs by. These discarnates are themselves a batch of programs from all they became before death of their vehicle. So say a human dies as a master piano player, they still seek to fulfill that habit or practice or in some cases addiction, but lacking the physical vehicle to express themselves through, seek a vehicle that can provide them with some degree of the satisfaction they once received while alive. Ti and Do taught that some who rise to fame will have attracted an entourage of discarnate helpers so that when they walk into a room they have a more obvious presence, which is different from what one would feel from a Member of the Next Level, when they are incarnate.

So by learning to block out thoughts of the past, we were also blocking out many of the Influences we had gathered from birth. (Jesus compared that to “sweeping out one’s house”). But it didn’t stop there as while one was sweeping out their house they were also replacing that mind (as the discarnates are all minds, which is synonymous with spirit) that is human mind and also misinformation mind with the Mind from/through the current and present Older Members from the Next Level’s Mind (Holy or pure Spirit (Informational Mind). That’s why Ti and Do changed many of our terms as the old terms were like links to old memories, conscious or sub-conscious. When we used the new term we were replacing that old program with a new one from the Older Members and the more we did that, the more we were facilitating “body changes”, that description of how a caterpillar metamorphoses into a butterfly.

Thereby students were really intensely identifying with their feelings, though were processing the ones they believed to be old human feelings out of their being and replacing them with Next Level feelings and emotions, which would upon completion be 100% eventually. Those who were successful began to love everything they received from Ti and Do. They enjoyed having all those procedures. They didn’t see them as limiting or controlling anymore than a military officer sees his/her disciplines as limiting or controlling. They become proud of what they know they have acquired but in the Next Level they don’t decorate themselves to show others their “tail feathers”. (Jesus taught not to show off to others what they have become, like in the wearing of king/queens clothing or by taking the best seats in the temple or by smearing ashes over one’s face to show they are fasting).

So yes, as Frank said it was “self suppression”. In 1978 or so, TI at a meeting told the class that “you needed to give us your will”. After Ti left her vehicle DO confided in us that Ti thought by saying that then, they would lose “half the classroom”. At that time our numbers were probably in the 70’s and it got down to 24 but then when some returned to the class after the Beyond Human tapes was back into the mid 30’s before losing a few more again, or in the case of two students assigned to leave the class (because they were too old to keep up with the classroom procedures) so Do preferred they still serve the classroom from where they lived before they rejoined/joined (FLX/ABL). So speaking of that group it looks like what TI said happened, maybe even exactly, though the exact number is not important. Now one could say all didn’t leave because of that but when it comes down to it they did leave because of that as those who left didn’t want to continue to look to Ti and Do as their teachers – to replace their will with the will of Ti and Do for them. (Jesus taught that a disciple of his needed to “deny himself”, in other words deny his own will for himself, that is also said in other ways as “thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven” in the Lord’s prayer and also what is meant by “loving the Lord your God with ALL your heart, All your Mind, All your soul and all your strength”, which Jesus said was the first greatest commandment (instruction/procedure) which would certainly included giving the incarnate REPS our will.

Relative to Frank’s saying that he sees “feelings as the language of intuition,” is not at all different from Ti and Do’s teachings when they said that the way one’s “feeler” operated was like a form of “radar”. When we were sent out on the road to hold meetings for about 9 months in 1975 and again for about 9 months in 1994, we were not in touch with TI and DO or in 1994 with DO hardly at all, so we had to use our “feeler” to try to feel where to go, what to do, who to try to talk to, determine whether it was a good town to hold a meeting in, etc. as in both cases we ran out of money so had to do so for all our needs (food, gas, lodging, meeting rooms, posters, etc.). Ti and Do also described the process of a Next Level Member piloting a spacecraft as the use of their feeler. When we watched the heavens at night, which was called Night Watch, we would log anything notable we saw while on that duty. Sometimes we would see objects traveling through the heaven’s with a type of wobble but unlike the way one would see a satellite or meteor or airplane doing. I think I recall and Frank may remember this better, but they said that was the way a Next Level craft is traveling that I think about now as their “feeling their way” on whatever “highways” exist in the Heavens (as Ti and Do said existed).

Again to Frank I ask, what is your “higher self” exactly and subsequently what is then the “lower self”? I just wrote about this from Ti and Do’s perspective.

Re: the “inner child” – to me that’s a new term/phrase that refers to one’s vehicular past when they were a child. I don’t deny that there can be a positive application to the identification of suppressed feelings from one’s vehicular childhood but it can be I believe a very slippery slope across the line of “fully hearing” them and not acting them out. Sure for an initial attempt to identify deep seated problems, maybe hearing feelings suppressed from our past can be freeing, but to repeat that process over and over, which I’m not saying you are suggesting could be ingraining those feelings. For instance an example from DO’s Mind: When the group spoke at a few meetings for Sexahaulics Anonymous or the like, DO later explained on their behalf that by people telling and retelling their same addiction story, they are like clinging to it and it’s vibration.

However the way Ti and Do taught this process was to reveal things as soon as they occur so they don’t get suppressed in the first place.

For instance relative to you (Frank) and I (Sawyer), starting with me (and I mean no offense by this, as it’s this way with all who seek to grow), had I exposed my feelings for some of the female students that translated as not controlling my eyes as well as I could have and other such dropping of guards to remain celebrate in mind as well as in my vehicle, then perhaps I would have developed the strength to ward off further “giving into those influences” that eventually resulted in hiding masturbation like I did that resulted in my choosing to leave the classroom because of not getting it under my control over nearly a years time. (Since that was one of the requirements of staying in the classroom to keep under control). The technique of doing that would be to “put up a blank card” at first sign of such a thought and/or feeling and learning to suppress it to where one still feels “it” knocking on one’s door to one’s mind but doesn’t let it become a thought nor direct the vehicle to acting it out further.

For the record, I didn’t entertain thoughts or feelings of doing anything with anyone and I hadn’t masturbated for 18 years before then and didn’t even come close, but apparently even seemingly small letting down of my guard repeatedly kept the door opened enough to where I became more vulnerable. For the sake of brevity, I’m not painting a thorough picture right now.

Here’s my opinion of what led up to your dropping out of the group, from what you have said in Episode 6; “my thoughts at times were filled with doubts and questioning everything…”, which he indicated was part of what compounded with the designed suppression of feelings that resulted in the development of a deeper voice and a bad stutter. And then that stimulated what you called the “red alert” when DO started thinking about whether TI would have us seek to stimulate our own exit by appearing to become a threat to the government. For the record, DO never entertained mounting any kind of attack against the government or to do any violent act against anyone ever. What he was saying in that post on the web was about taking a stand, not being submissive to them and how that would eventually lead to their becoming the aggressors.

By the way, Jesus’ radical teachings so angered the priestly Jewish leaders that they wanted him dead. Peter carried a sword but Jesus told him not to use it. At one point Jesus told his disciples that they needed to have a sword with them. They asked him if one was enough and he said it was. Jesus said this when he was talking about how his disciples would be going out to preach again and how it was different from the first time he sent them out, when they didn’t carry a sword. One can imagine the reasons Jesus gave this instruction but in this case perhaps the sword was a rifle. It didn’t mean he was becoming militant. He still said, “those who live by the sword die by the sword”. In DO’s case the rifle wasn’t to protect their vehicles lives, it was to give the paid killers the excuse they wanted to kill them. There is more to say about this and how this option seems to be depicted in the Revelation prophecy, chapter 20, though seemingly 1000 years from now, but it shows consistency with everything Jesus taught and did, though DO wasn’t trying to show consistency… it just happened that way because DO worked for the same Older Member so say and do things that would give many every excuse to not see him/them for who they really are.

Frank, it seems to me, that for part or all those years, since you were suppressing your feelings, they did grow more powerful over your control of your vehicle to where, like with me, it became like a boil that popped and with you it showed up as a very noticeable voice drop and stutter. But, like myself, that would not have become the problem it did, had we learned to employ the tools Ti and Do gave us to correctly suppress those thoughts and convert them into positives as was also taught, through the use of all the helps, our partners, the meditations and affirmations and slippage meetings and help wanted meetings and direct asking Ti and Do for help with each manifestation and in our silent prayers and via notes to them, etc. as they provided us.

For me and possibly for you, it wasn’t obvious that I was slipping but looking back I can see that I was subtly choosing to not follow certain procedures that were part of the help for me to remain transparent about my struggles.

However, none of these things need to remain a negative as DO told me when I had finally reported my breaking of my celibate vows that one of the hardest lessons was recovering from failure. Since Ti said the Soul we then saw as DO was the same soul who had performed the Adam task and that Adam did fall, I guess DO knew about failure and recovering from it as TI also said He recovered by the generation of his Souls incarnation into the vehicle named Enoch and then completed the overcoming “Christing” Process so Enoch’s vehicle was taken into the Next Level without dying.

 

Pineapple Street Heavens Gate Episode 6 x-member claims DO becomes Psychotic

December 17, 2017

Here is Sawyer’s response to the Pineapple Street Media’s podcast series Heaven’s Gate – episode 6 – The Choice – featuring x-Heaven’s Gate cult member – Frank (Andody) who joined together with Erika (Chkody) who joined from the same Waldport, Oregon meeting as did Sawyer (Swyody) in 1975.

Chkody was among the 38 who laid down their human vehicles lives with DO in March of 1997 and her statement is included in the podcast from the Student Exit Videos.

My response here is not to find fault with Frank in any way shape or form as he made his choice to join and made his 17+ year choices to stay in the cult and has since continued to make choices on how to think and talk publically about TI and DO and his experience. My aim is to present the side of a believer in Ti and Do, that I am and in that sense believe I can speak for Chkody (Erika) as well.

I consider all former classmates to be family because of our joint experience but when they say things that in my opinion misrepresent TI and DO, I feel committed to speak up about it, so the side for TI and DO is provided for others to judge for themselves what to believe about them. That voice for them is infrequently heard otherwise.

However, in life for all people, different people often come away with different responses to the same circumstances and especially when it comes to beliefs even within the same organization. I learned this many years ago pertaining to this Heaven’s Gate story, when I visited with Frank in Seattle, around 2005 and we had completely different takes of at least one event we both experienced in the classroom. Now I know there are a number, even many more.

Frank says, (regarding he and Ericka’s joining with TI and DO); “When first joining I was mixed about not being together anymore but didn’t want to miss the opportunity and [they would] take it one step at a time.” He says it “didn’t sink in that it would be the end of the relationship” (with Erika).

Erika said in the Exit tape she made, that at the Waldport meeting it was “instant recognition” (of Ti and Do and/or their information) for her.

I also experienced that instant recognition. It wasn’t like I had a deja vu experience, thinking I recognized TI and/or DO. For me it was a recognition that their information spoke to me as being true which felt so different from all the other spiritual minded quests I’d read about or experimented with up until then. I knew I had to go with them and knew it meant leaving all behind and giving it my 100% of time and energy. I knew that included breaking up with my partner, now known as Sarah (Srfody), one of the Heaven’s Gate Webmasters with Mark (Mrcody), whom I had lived with for five years before then. She was from the same home town on Long Island where we met and who I fell in love with and who I sought to build my life with that included moving to the British Columbia, Canada bush/mountain country to try to homestead.

When Sarah and I left the Waldport/Newport, OR area, about the third day after the meeting in Waldport with Ti and Do, which was the time frame recommended to “get our house in order,” not having any other circumstances to require more time, (as some others had with house ownership and children even), I recall Sarah for the first time in even years wanting to snuggle and perhaps have sex. This was unusual because I had become the sole instigator of that physical part of our relationship and just a month or two before that time Sarah had started up a relationship with another man named Hobbit that followed what might have been another, possibly with a Canadian man (Aldi) who came to visit us and who she went up to visit. (I only know for sure about her open fling with Hobbit, but what was clear is that she hadn’t been happy with me for quiet some time and how she hitchhiked up to Canada without me to pursue.)

I was heartbroken by those events that did not work out for her so she wanted to get back together with me which I agreed to, having recovered from her choices but I was not angry with her for. I’m not faulting her for wanting someone else, but to then want me in that physical way for the first time in a long time, by her instigation struck me then as very odd and for the first time in our 5 year relationship I turned her down.

My point in explaining this, is that it appeared to be an indicator that she may not have had the same kind of instant recognition I had and would explain why she had a number of episodes in the classroom that showed that and led to her wanting to leave when the opportunity presented itself with Mark’s choice to no longer abide by DO’s teaching lesson step that was referred to as “I could be wrong.” That lesson step was designed to reduce our dependence in our own human mind over the Mind from our Older Members – Ti and Do. That lesson step was kin to when TI told us all that, “you need to give us your will” in around 1978. And it seems to be exactly what Jesus taught when he said to be his disciple one needed to “deny yourself” and is what would be a primary part of a disciples prayer to their Heavenly Father that requested that “your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”.

I was not mixed about breaking up with Sarah, though I won’t say it wasn’t a little awkward when I did see her, but like Frank described, we two were also separated and when we traveled were assigned to different groups.

The Host of the show then says: “It was drilled into the followers that human emotions were not allowed in the Next Level” and something about how one could not be “in love” and get to the Next Level.

That’s a huge distortion to say, as human emotions were not banned. We had no procedure that said, Thou shall have no emotions. I’d bet most members laughed every day and it would have been inappropriate to laugh at another expense or behind the back of others like is frequent in the human kingdom.

We still experienced sadness at times, like when we individually slipped from our goals, but it’s true we were taught not to linger in that sadness and use it to stimulate having an even better handle on those goals. (One goal would be to remain celibate in both body and mind). We were taught to maintain a “pleasant countenance”, a part of controlling our vehicles vibration.

If someone was “down in the mouth”, it wasn’t like they would be reprimanded by anyone but it showed they were troubled about something so their partner or the Overseeers of a department they were in, might ask them about it or write to Ti and Do about it, as it could be a sign that they aren’t happy even being here if they couldn’t override it.

Another time for some sadness was when TI and DO pushed us to be more “thirsty” for next steps. There was never any yelling or raising of voices or threats of any kind, nor punishment, like happens all the time in the human kingdom to keep people in line, to keep their jobs, etc.

On a rare occasion we learned they were displeased with us. The times I’m thinking of just so happened to take place when we were living in Austin and DO delivered the news in one of those cases. Ti had instigated choral singing of Christmas carols, that she did not participate in, as she said she wanted us to learn to look to DO for direction. (DO never sang with us, more than a few notes to demonstrate how to sing a certain phrase). Mllody played piano. We sang for TI after we’d practiced some and some in the class designed new lyrics to the song, The Twelve Days of Christmas. We gave TI a little concert. A very short time later, DO held a meeting without TI present and said something about our lyrics disturbed TI. Those lyrics were “ten years a waiting…” (meant to imply waiting for the pickup). The students who wrote those lyrics that we practiced separately, I believe were drawing from knowing that TI and DO hating being here because the vibration had become so distorted. TI even thought parts of the plant kingdom showed that lower vibration. The example I can recall was how TI thought the oak trees she saw growing in Texas weren’t designed to grow all crooked and twisted up like they are. They wanted the task to be over, so they could go back to resume the life style and physical vehicles and positions they had before coming to earth to do this task.

TI considered being in the human kingdom like being in a snake pit and I didn’t see it that way, even a little until after I left and I realized that to us, it’s normal for there to be all kinds of sneakiness, deceit, back biting, back stabbing, profiteering to another detriment, manipulations, predatory behaviors, legalized robbery and murder, sold as collateral damage to anybody who is in the wrong place at the wrong time because their leaders stand in the way of certain agendas, Examples as of late are found in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, etc where people are killed or die because of.

But what DO helped us see was how He was with his Older Member and we were with our Older Member so we weren’t going to have the same longing to leave. We should have been happy to stay as long as it’s our task to stay. We were not really “waiting” to exit as we had our Overcoming tasks to do and needed to be here to finish it. TI didn’t need to learn the lessons we were having.

I realized, in a sense, since originally they said we’d be picked up in “months” and “not later than 5 years”, both of which didn’t come true, it was like pushing that into TI’s face to say we were waiting. By the way, TI had said one time that the reason the “demonstration” didn’t happen as they thought it would was because the students were not ready to leave then. That would explain how Revelation 11 regarding the Two Witnesses could be translated in several ways because of the varied time frames in the prophecy in between their being “subdued” and then “separating by dying themselves” (also having several interpretations that could have worked to demonstrate fulfillment).

There was also no prohibition from enjoying a food or a sunset or mountain view or the colors and aromas of flowers, etc, though Ti and Do taught that we would outgrow even those degrees of sensual stimulus.

But yes having emotion between students was taught to be suppressed and redirected to one aim, to foster that emotion with only our Heavenly Father, though TI, before she exited made it very specific that our commitment (love) was to be towards DO only. TI instigated this and it was the lesson step of making one’s “committal” to DO, which we did individually and privately in notes that would go directly to Ti and Do. They didn’t tell us what to say in our notes but we were required to express ourselves. If we couldn’t it was a sign that we weren’t in the right place being in that classroom.

As a matter of fact, I think it safe to say that everything Ti and Do taught, said and did had the potential of “testing” our commitment if we made one. That’s the nature of being a student in a cult – there are no tail feathers on the teachers – no degrees in Theology or affiliation with the rich and famous or to huge mega million dollar organizations that all tend to give us a sense of credibility, whether we see it or not.

So it’s true that one can not graduate into the Next Level when married (committed and “in love” with another human). Jesus taught this when he said:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection ((rising, Standing up again, graduation)) they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Marriage was the form of making that committal, TI said, was started by the Next Level, to bring some structure to whom one propagated with. It became known as adultery when people broke the various procedures that governed such commitments and relationships. Jesus said Moses gave in to his students to allow them to divorce. Moses and Jesus taught that the aim was for students to give all their heart, all their mind, all their soul and all their strength to God, but when a Representative from God’s kingdom wasn’t physically present in a human vehicle with us then the way we would show our love for God was to demonstrate it by loving our neighbors as ourselves. In other words we were to see all humans we lived among as our neighbors. It’s not a theoretical “love” and nor was it meant as a sexual love, but a friendly love.

So as long as one was abiding by the teachings of the Next Level in that regard as best they could, getting up whenever they fall short of that, they were still growing closer to becoming members of the Next Level. All the plants in the “garden” don’t grow at the same rate and have bursts of growth at the same times and to the same degrees. So the lesson steps, though everyone can apply them, are given in stages so no one has more on their plate than they can handle, that is if they look to the Next Level for help.

The Next Level determines which souls or spirits still have the capacity to advance closer to graduation and “saves” them for a future opportunity, though they turn up the heat for each of us to make our choices of whom to serve, like Jesus said between making our master, God (The One true kingdom of God in whatever terms, secular or religious) OR Mammon (human mammalian forms of treasure and wealth)

TI and DO said that the Next Level still loves Lucifer and that they have given him and his associates who fell many opportunities to get back on track, even though the more one goes against the Next Level’s present Representatives teachings the harder it gets to change, so that one subtly loses whatever degree of recognition they once had. Thus the lessons need to get harder for that soul to be stimulated to change.

Frank then talks about how: “my thoughts at times were filled with doubts and questioning everything…”, which he indicated was part of what compounded with the “suppression of feelings” that resulted in the development of a deeper voice and a stutter in his speech.

I do wonder where Frank got the understanding that DO’s mimic of his suddenly deeper voice was expressing a masculine voice. I don’t recall if DO spoke about it at that meeting but I doubt he did, though not saying it’s not possible. The way Frank says it in the broadcast was, “…he was conveying to me that I was expressing a masculine voice.” Whatever DO said or didn’t say, Frank said he felt “humiliated – ashamed for expressing my masculinity” and said he had a “deep seated anger of who is he to express how I should speak”.

I guess by that point it shows that just being a body in the classroom didn’t necessarily mean much when one’s mind was far apart, so in this way DO’s response of repeating a low sounding voice, that Frank sees as mimicking, and may be an accurate depiction became a test to get him “off the fence,” he had apparently been on, or he wouldn’t have built up a “deep seated anger” towards DO as he reported.

Why was Frank angry? I don’t know if he gave reasons why he was angry. In terms of his reporting his response to DO’s “mimic” of thinking, “who is he [DO] to express how he [Frank] should speak,” DO was the individual he chose to leave all behind to follow, at that point for over 10 years. As far as I could tell, Frank was as committed to Ti and Do’s process as anyone else but what was going on in his head or that he might have talked about with him partners and/or TI and DO was not known to me.

But at that point of the mimic, it seems Frank didn’t see DO as his teacher or he wouldn’t have had “deep seated anger” because he would have been keeping things surfaced.

I was given a number of personal lessons and in none of them was I embarrassed. All the students got lessons in group and personally. Had I been Frank’s partner then and say he starting talking in a much lower than usual voice, I probably would have felt obligated to mention it to him, bring it up to him to examine it, and perhaps I would have written a note to DO about it since it was my partner and partners were instructed to ask one another for their observations and help to see their ways that were not the ways taught to us from TI and DO.

There was no procedure on how to speak and what tone our voice would have but this was certainly not normal for Frank so it was in itself a “red flag” that something was wrong. Now to clarify, if a partner knew their partner had been working with DO on any behavior or way, the partner wouldn’t try to step in. I never said anything to Frank about his low voice and/or stutter and I doubt anyone else would have either as it was then between him and DO. At the time I didn’t even think about it at all really. It was strange but I didn’t have a judgement about it. That wasn’t my business – we were all taught to keep our eyes on our own behavior and ways, unless something came about that we had to pay attention to.

Frank says, “I was not allowed to be me… not safe to express who I am…” and that was true because who “me” was needed to shift from the old “me” to the new “me”, from the caterpillar “me” to the butterfly “me”. It was getting rid of a human form of individuality.

Ti and Do taught that no humans are really individuals because we don’t know how we become the product of the discarnate influences that attach to us. They taught that who we really are is the “chooser” of what to think, say and do, which decided which discarnates we accept and which we reject. And there is nothing wrong with that. It’s a beautiful design of the human kingdom but was never meant to be satisfying, hence why we go through stages of “seeking” what more there might be, though that may only surface in our conscious as dissatisfaction with who we are, what we are doing.

If by “suppression of feelings” Frank is referring to not being allowed to play out his feelings for Erika, yes that was part of the program. And yes I agree that according to Ti and Do, not changing our human feelings to feelings for TI and DO’s Mind, instructions, procedures, behaviors and ways in the Next Level Program for us, could have negative mental and/or physical consequences, as DO talked about in relationship to Terrie’s physical ailments, from the suffering in relationship to her dealing with her mother’s absence from her life, which DO indicated could have been largely subconscious because of her root system to TI, her vehicle’s mother.

Additional suppression of feelings we all had to impose upon ourselves to be in the program 100% was by blocking out the past and thus suppressing feelings for our human family, friends, career, goals, forms of entertainment, desires that even include doing what one wants to do when one wants to do it. Rkkody exemplified this last point. He left the class no less than three times and was able to stay in touch so returned each time until he laid down his life in 1998. It became known among class members in a light hearted way, since DO knew Rkkody both recognized his Older Member and I know, loved him, that he felt confined at times and just wanted to be able to “go out and get a pizza when he wanted to”. DO, I believe brought specific example at a meeting when Rkkody had returned.

But this suppression of the expression of human feelings for things that used to be in our lives, didn’t have to be a negative just like not giving into sensuality, though perhaps somewhat unhealthy to a human’s normal health, if it was purely voluntary and dealt with, as such feelings surfaced, wouldn’t become a negative in that program. For instance, when I joined I knew I was going to have to cease playing musical instruments. I was part of a 4 piece band who had gigs in and around Newport, Oregon. I left them and sold my instruments. (By the way I don’t recall TI or DO or any of their literature spelling that out. I just knew it. But on that subject, I used to have dreams that I was trying to play the flute and couldn’t get the notes out, like I didn’t have the wind. For the first month after joining I had a flute with me that I brought to try to sell on the road. I didn’t feel to play it and I knew I was starting a new life and such things would no longer be in it. I sold it and used the money to buy a broken down car that lasted maybe a week.

But had I longed to play music, I imagine if I didn’t block out those feelings and shift my attention to the activities in the classroom at that time, they could have become pent up stress that over time could get stronger and could have tempted me to want to leave because of and/or could have taken a toll on my health in some ways. So that becomes compounded, the more things like that we don’t block out of our consciousness.

Frank said when he left the cult he was “elated”. In a sense I was also when I left, noting that I enjoyed doing simple things for myself, like choosing what I wanted to eat.

The way TI and DO would explain that, was that once we leave the class, we were “going with our discarnate influences” re-attracting the influences we had been keeping at bay by not giving into doing the things that the influences sought to attach to us to do through our vehicle; i.e. playing an instrument, fixing a meal of our choice, playing a sport, having a relationship, having sex, pursuing a career, etc.

Thus leaving the class eliminated that conflict which the vehicle then felt elated by. However, according to Jesus (just like what Ti and Do taught in different terms) we then attract “7 other demons that are worse than what we had to deal with before.” I can’t say I can count 7 discarnates that sought to attach to me after I left, but I can recognize characteristics of thinking I have to deal with now that I never had to deal with before and during the classroom time. For instance of late I’ve seen myself judging what others do and how others physically look to me. In the past I would have recognized differences in people’s appearance but now I’ve got an opinion about it that sort of defines the “book by it’s cover” which to me is a demon. However, I do still retain Ti and Do’s teachings so when I hear those thoughts I treat them as demons and shoe them away. Ti and Do taught that we are not responsible for the thoughts that occur to us, but we are responsabile for the thoughts we allow to linger in our consciousness.

In a comment Frank made on the Episode 5 facebook page, he said something about not suppressing feelings while not always “acting (them) out” either, but allowing ourselves to express them as being good for us to do. I’m not saying some of that can not be advantageous. I suspect that’s the basis of “confession of sins (missed the mark)”, to get things off our chest. We had regular weekly “slippage meetings” for that purpose, yet had a bunch of procedures of what not to bring up (sexuality, not even using the word) except as a generalization of something to the affect of “I gave into sensuality” and in that case would add that we wrote a note to TI and DO explaining the details. We had instruction to not blame anyone else for our slippage and to provide a remedy with each one, so what one might say, “I entertained thoughts of the past” and my remedy was to “nip it in the bud” better next time.

But I wonder if repeating our feelings over and over could be considered by Ti and Do as an indulgence in those thoughts and thus a strengthening of them and if there are others present who are susceptible to their influence an even greater negative to say out loud.

Ti and Do taught that the thoughts and feelings we have become what we are and what we “believe” and what we get when we exit these vehicles, whether they are based in reality and what degree or not. The more we entertain these beliefs the stronger we become them. When class members entertained thoughts that doubted DO they also separated from him, from His Next Level Mind and start to lose touch more and more with recognizing who He and TI are and who they represent and from having the strength to ward off the Lower Forces misinformation attacks. This applies to all aspects of the classroom, not just to doubts. When we don’t do our homework by kicking out thoughts, behaviors and ways that are not from their mind, to include thoughts/feelings of sensuality we separate from him.

Frank expressed this was happening from the start so it’s no wonder he came to see DO in a different light than that classmates that stayed, including Chkody (Erika) and others, to the point that he began to see DO, in his words as “a little psychotic” when DO brought to his students attention, after the Branch Davidian ATF/FBI murders in 1992, his consideration of the way we might get firearms to pose a threat to authorities who might then become the instruments of our laying down our vehicles lives.

Note – Even though Jesus rebuked Peter when he struck, with a sword, one of the Jewish military (Sanhedrin guards) who came to capture Jesus by his arrangement, Jesus was against violence yet instructed his disciples to have a sword with them:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Why did they need to carry swords this time when they went out to preach about him when they didn’t have them before when he sent them out. Was he trying to pose a threat without suggesting use of the sword when he said:

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Perhaps some that they would encounter in their travels might cause some to think twice about confronting them. Jesus at their last supper together told them their task was to go out and tell the truth about what they heard and experienced from Jesus. Jesus knew that if they hated him they would hate his students too since they were of the same Mind. So Jesus led them to “laying down their human lives,” because they chose to follow him, as he was demonstrating. Jesus said that they would have to “drink from the same cup” that was literally willing to shed their blood as he was willing to do because this was part of their demonstration of their overcoming aka their Christing (metamorphic) task.

But hearing this perspective from DO, I admit was a tiny bit challenging for me to consider doing anything with a weapon, yet I knew TI nor DO would condone being violent. They considered the governments that murdered people and built weapons for that purpose as primitive savage “snakes” or “weeds”, while many in society see it at best as so called necessary evil, yet the only necessary evil as Jesus taught was in the provision of the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls that provided our choices to go against God’s laws or not. Thus that presentation became a test of each students recognition of DO and whether they chose to override doubts and negative judgements of him or not.

It’s quite possible and even probable that the entire premise of laying down our vehicles by the hand of the govt was unlikely, at least at that time during the First Wave (Classroom), though could still apply into the future as it did after Jesus left, which is indicated in Jesus’ prophecy as occurring during the 5th Seal Opening time period. We are currently in the start of the 4th Seal Opening time period, that of the Green Horse (human vehicle) (Trump) – money, wealth being in charge which followed Obama as the “black or jacinth “horse” (human vehicle) that coincided with the wall street banking crisis in 2007-8. This followed the Red Horse (G.W. Bush and administration as the Red (Ruddy) horse who brought the endless war on terror, starting in 2000 after DO fulfilled the task of the White horse when he came public starting in the 1990’s in ways that can be documented to show demonstrating the remaining 6 of 7 roars (thunders) from the Lion of the Tribe of Juda.

But at this time, it seemed more and more apparent that DO saw the modus operandi of the Luciferian Space Alien “Fallen Angels” at this time as mostly to ignore He and TI and their returning crew of “saints”. That’s what prompted him to get bolder with what we claimed in the 1994 meeting posters and presentation, even stating in the last poster what the “shedding of our vehicles may be required”.

In the Portland, Oregon meeting in early 1994, that we do have on tape, DO expressed this to some degree, considering that we might have to get even bolder to put the truth in front of more people that could also generate a response that could assist us in our exit, as it did 2000 years ago, where people thought they were killing in God’s name.

The authorities have become the unwitting instruments of the lower forces of this planet, thus they will in many cases justify their agendas – the execution of atrocities all over the planet, seeing even their murders as “collateral damage” to keep their authority and profiteering.

DO had followed the Randy Weaver story that followed Waco and the Freemen story as well and though he never supported anyone’s enacting violence against anyone, knew that potential for us to become targets existed so he sought to prepare us for that, should it happen before or after he left. So like Jesus he was following his instruction from his Older Member to even bring up the subject of firearms, taking his clue in that regard from the Waco event. That’s the way the Next Level works, using human’s choices to convert them into a Next Level positive, in this case, completing their task which always involved leaving earth without our human vehicles.

Yes, Do thought about this and the part that Ben Zeller read was written by DO but what wasn’t nor understood was how DO updated that writing and in so doing took away that entire section about taking up firearms. He first posted the initial document, entitled, “Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure” on September 25-26, 1995 and in January of 1997 updated it that even changed the title to: “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure”. Jesus was put in quotes because as they always said neither Ti nor Do were Jesus because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level (who TI said was DO) incarnated into to perform that task. (Though they always said from 1974-6 that all the Revelations prophecies would be fulfilled that included Jesus coming in the 7th and last “closeness” where they considered themselves as the 6th closeness and that that coming was not to be a “teaching one” (like the 6th was via the Two Witnesses task of delivery of new information via speaking).

Below I provide a link to my blog post that shows the full comparison of these two versions of Undercover “Jesus” where the part about obtaining a firearm was removed.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/do-reduces-the-requirements-to-leave-with-him-by-updating-undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

Plus he never manipulated anyone – there were never any locked door or fences around our campgrounds. Keys to cars were locked up every night because some would leave in the middle of the night sometimes and Ti and Do didn’t want to lose a car to them. Money was locked up for the same reason. Doors were locked to keep people from the outside from coming in. But I don’t recall phones were disconnected at night though we often had someone up all night doing a night watch task. If someone wanted to leave Ti and Do preferred they tell them and they always tried to help them with a bus or airplane ticket and sometimes with a car and/or some money as was the case with me. I was given a plane ticket and $600 in cash. They still almost always moved soon after someone would leave if Ti and Do felt they might reveal where we were, in case a private eye was looking for someone.

DO never entertained mounting any kind of attack against the government or to do any violent act against anyone ever (Their exit method was not violent. It was as gentle as one could imagine leaving one’s vehicle could be – the vehicle dying in one’s sleep).

However, further addressing that part of the Undercover…” post Ben Zeller read in Episode 6 was what came after describing – Believers in Them taking a stand, not being submissive to authorities (though not breaking any laws either) and how that could eventually lead to those authorities becoming the aggressors and seeing radicals with firearms as a threat to the public so could facilitate their exit of their vehicles.

DO was simply following his instruction from TI by outlining an option that the Next Level would find an acceptable way to both show our commitment to the Next Level by following, if we so chose, and as a way to lay down our vehicles to exit should authorities bring trumpeted up charges against us individually or as a group and not having to submit to them and their treatment of us. He made those posts in 1995, approx. 6 months or more after he had outlined for the entire class the procedure for self exiting that he still continued then to prepare for.

I know DO bought at least one rifle which I read about in Rio’s book saying Strody (a classmate with a 60 something year old female vehicle) did some target shooting when they were building what they called a “fortress” near Mansano, New Mexico. Rio didn’t indicate there was a program for all to learn to shoot the rifle.

I’m not sure where I got this, but thought if we got a rifle we would load it with blanks and/or learn to shoot above the heads of someone so if it was to be used it would appear to be a real threat. I can’t actually say I recall DO saying that so perhaps it was how I first dealt with the idea after the Waco murders of the Branch Davidians when DO first brought up the idea. It wasn’t an easy idea for me to handle as it faced me at the time with just how far I would go in my commitment to DO. Would I shoot someone, if I was given that instruction, I asked myself and what I felt was that I wouldn’t be asked to do that. But I did not question DO’s bringing it up and considering it, so like everything in the classroom it felt like another test that I would pass and it would not be the last such test.

The way I heard Frank speak of that classroom it sounded as if he resented the procedures, saying we had to “toe the line” as if it was drudgery as opposed to performing our task assignments with a sense of feeling very happy and even honored to do so. He said we were to “stay under the radar”, as if we were hiding when a huge part of the classroom overcoming process was to want to be transparent and to enjoy being watched all the time. In this context it would have only been a negative to be watched if we sought to hide something. I think from Franks admission he had something to hide thus appears to have resented being under that Next Level microscope.

Franks case and I, Sawyer also engaged in some deceit and tried to hide some of my behaviors. But to be clear this isn’t always totally conscious, so it may be mostly in hindsight that Frank has developed his apparent disdain for DO and the classroom experience.

Ti and DO used to compare their task on earth to being “undercover” and dropped behind enemy lines to where the only lifeline they had was their remote communication with the Next Level and that the task was so important that they didn’t want to say or do anything that would jeopardize the successful completion of that task. I didn’t see that as illusionary thinking. It made perfect sense to me. But a big part of being undercover was in the procedures they had to use to verify they are receiving instructions from their “heavenly Father” as opposed to the efforts of a human or human equivalent trickster. Before Ti left her vehicle she had taught DO how to engage that “checking” process. Part of that was running things by his “helpers” and/or “overseers”. But that was often combined with his observations of events in the world, with the Waco event.

The basis of having “check partners” was to perform all our tasks with more confidence we were working in accordance to our Older Member’s wishes. And partners were to help us be to our partners a “mirror” other sets of eyes to help us see our self and what we might be thinking, saying or doing differently from what our Older Members had taught. That is what Jesus meant by making one’s eye single – having 100% concentration on one aim – to follow our Older Member wherever he goes and in whatever he would have us do.

We needed to want to be subject to that “radar”. It was part of becoming crew minded and not seeking to shine for shining sake. “Behaving” – living according to the provided behaviors and ways, “Following procedures, the rules, to those that truly wanted to be there were very satisfying, very fulfilling and purposeful feeling. Anyone that has worked in a team effort knows how great it feels to be part of that team and how fun it is to work together as different spokes in the wheel and for those that were fully there, I know they felt that.

I’m not suggesting Frank didn’t experience a lot of this pride and satisfaction, but at least in the way he spoke that was put together by the Pineapple Street crew it would seem he has forgotten about or sees in a different light now.

We developed a lot of procedures surrounding our need to feed these vehicles, to set up the preparation of food as an experiment, which I see as ingenious – simulating the real deal of training to meet the qualifications of becoming a crew member in laboratories that are involved in the mechanics of a vast creation.

So Frank calls DO “controlling” and says he got even more controlling after TI left her vehicle, but the facts are that if one wants to consider him ever to be “controlling”, he became less of that after TI left.

If he became more controlling, then why did he send us back to visit families again in 1987? Why wasn’t their sending us to visit families in 1985 enough after the first 10 years of no such visits. The first visit was spoken of by Ti and Do as relieving anxieties family members had that they became most aware of when they found out about the Newsletter Nancy Brown started. It was because of that visit that Rthody decided to leave and is when Frank and Erika who traveled together would have had the chance to run away together and when I could have run away with “sarah” as we two traveled together (and I felt on the airplane and in a car with her, I did wonder if she was coming on to me, but I ignored it.

Starting in 1987 DO brought in a bunch of books, some about UFO’s, abduction reports, close encounters, UFO Crash at Aztec, that included autopsy reports from Dr. Leonard Stringfield. He started up a little video project I was on the committee for. He sent Lggody and others to UFO conferences in Arkansas and Nevada to video interview leading ufologists.

He started us into all kinds of health and longevity research. We had a little company called, ALERT (Advanced Life Extension Research Team). He had us publish a book called the Transfiguration Diet. I was assigned to drive one of our little carpools. I’d drop off classmates at their “out of craft tasks” (jobs in the world) and then go to mine by myself and during my lunch hour, I chose to visit book stores of my choosing to sell books. I could have easily just cashed my check one day and drove off with a Cadillac. I remember one time even having that thought, though it wasn’t a thought I had been entertaining so it had no affect on me, nor did I have any reason to want to leave.

It seemed we had more frequent times when we were required to spend 20 minutes or so opening the door of our minds to whether there was something in the world we wanted. When that time period was over we were to resume blocking out such thoughts. However, if we had been entertaining such thoughts it would have strengthened such thoughts.

DO offered students $2000 to leave the classroom saying he didn’t want anyone staying because of fear of going back into the world and because life in the classroom had become easy – communal living, no worry about the things humans had to worry about like paying bills, keeping a job, dealing with life in what TI called the “real world” as ours was a simulation of life on a spacecraft and if one person lost a job it didn’t break the bank.

DO brought in more books related to the bible – Strong’s concordance, 4-5 versions of the Bible, Dakes, the Parallel, an Amplified, the dead sea scrolls, about the Essenes, the Nag Hammadi library, the Inner Earth evidence from Admiral Byrd’s expedition and even the book Holy Blood Holy Grael that depicted Jesus tricking people to think he had died and resurrected and instead went to live in France where he started a family. That was not the story we thought happened so DO was providing us with that thinking and I don’t recall that he talked about the book.

DO wrote “’88 Update The UFO Two and their Crew”, in which he revealed before he had awakened how he had been leading a homosexual lifestyle. Who knows whether learning that tested some.

Srrody and I started two companies (DBA’s). One we called, Think Link and the second one was called Word Wise and we tried to secure contract programming jobs and got a few but we were on our own to plan what we would do and how.

Srrody and I started training classmates to do computer programming work. DO didn’t give us procedures on how to do that. Students who were intested in that line of work volunteered. Chkody was one of them, with Glnody.

We started making crosses out of fine/rare woods and inlayed semi-precious stones in some of them. Prkody (who left before Frank and has since died) was a primary and Srrody and I were on the crew and we ended up selling them. Do left us on our own as to their design as there are many different kinds of crosses.

When we dealt with the public at times we started being more honest about who we were, saying we were a monastic group. I remember when Lggody was assigned the primary position to design a portable stand for the two 7 foot diameter satellite dishes we had. I was Lggody’s check partner and he was brother Logan and I was brother Sawyer to the people we bought supplies from. That was a change from hiding the true nature of our group.

I never saw Ti nor Do as controlling anyway. If Frank didn’t want to be there, which he indicated was the case, then he was seeing what he chose to “see”. There was no manipulation and the controls were all voluntary so can’t be rightfully considered controlling.

We were taught to fully control our own vehicles, whether that meant not letting out gas outside the “bath chamber” or not allowing our vehicle to dwell on the past or on sensuality or even in imagining ways to fix the human world.

Finally, I will show how DO actually relaxed certain “controls” as to who could qualify to catch the eye of a member of the Level Above Human. This is shown by the differences between the first and last versions of the document DO wrote entitled, ‘Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure’. At first he expressed that “laying down” of one’s human body was needed to demonstrate one’s bond and leave with him to not be among those who are recycled. He changed it to “preparing to lay down one’s body” while not disqualifying that one could die from natural causes and still have their Soul saved for a future classroom. He also removed the prospect of taking up a firearm so the authorities might assist one in exiting their vehicle (not by doing any harm to anyone with it but just by having it when one might be apprehended by authorities for being a radical and not choosing to submit to being taken to jail on trumped up charges, for example).

As shown by my post on the way DO reduced the qualifications to leaving with him, the edit/update of Undercover “Jesus”… demonstrates without question less “control” over who could aspire to advance towards their own graduation.

Nor did DO demonstrate that “controlling and manipulative” person Frank and others try to paint him as, when Frank told DO he wanted to leave. Is asking him if he is sure evidence of controlling and manipulation? Lets say one of our kids who became an adult didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of their parents – to join and help run the parents’ company. Wouldn’t a good parent try to remind their offspring what they are giving up? That was DO appealing to that part of He and Ti’s Mind that was still in Andody’s vehicle – Frank. DO was showing how he cared for Andody to face him with that prospect. DO didn’t say no, he couldn’t leave or didn’t delay his leaving nor have students try to talk him out of it. Remember Frank had become DO’s student for around 17 years at that point and that meant passing by many “tests.”

Finally, Frank says when he was preparing to leave, “classmates were hovering around to make sure I didn’t take anything I wasn’t supposed to take,” another example of how he was in his own world as we had no instruction to watch him that I was aware of and I was one that took him to the airport. However perhaps Srrody did receive instructions to sort of usher him out of the classroom and that could have included giving back the silver wedding bands we wore, that DO gave us to represent our marriage to him (that TI before she left had told us to show to DO our commitment to him). DO at first started to wear a silver wedding band and then he had an event to where each student received one and he spent time with each student, silently as a more formal solidification of what that ring represented.

It’s interesting how that “marriage” relationship was described by Jesus related to the students in the end time. And it’s also interesting how the Luciferian space alien fallen angels stimulated a facsimile event with the Moonies where they had a huge mass marriage but not to him but to other students and it was nothing like in Ti and Do’s group as they really got married in the states eyes and I imagine were sexual and perhaps some went on to propagate, a distortion of what Jesus taught as for “angels” (in the making even) there is no marriage (as we think of marriage) and no propagation of the species. However, that wasn’t saying if one was married before they made their commitment to the Next Level entirely that they were not able to “marry” their Older Member. That option exists for as long as we each have a human vehicle.

It’s simply human mammalian behaviors needing to be outgrown to literally graduate into Next Level membership.

Glynn say’s DO became “more cruel” but where was there any evidence anywhere that he was ever cruel. What was cruel about he and Ti’s sending 19 students who followed them away from the group? What was cruel about spending all their money they received from donations on us, outfitting us to live outdoors for the first 3+ years without income?

Frank described Erika in the start of this podcast as being “loving, compassionate, bright, and intuitive” and yet he paints a picture of the individual (DO) who she, in the name of Chkody loved and gave her life to, as psychotic, manipulating and controlling and having lost his objectivity that led to her and the other student’s committing suicide. That doesn’t say much about her brightness and intuition.

What’s controlling and manipulative is shown in much of these podcasts, and in this episode in particular by putting such a focus on what Frank says to paint a picture to people that DO was controlling and cruel just like what was done to paint Ti as hypocritical in episode 4. None of these involved with this project are operating with a completely informed perspective so they might want to restrain publicly expressing their negativity. Like Jesus said the way we judge others will be the way we are judged. That’s because we become believers in our own judgement, so continue to draw to us the ramifications of having that judgement and we then become forced to “act it out”, which is why there has been an exponential increase in mass shootings, etc.

To me it’s also manipulative to depict Glynn’s early in life experience in a Christian “cult” that was hardly a cult at all comparing it to the Heaven’s Gate cult when there was nothing about them that were alike except for the references to things Biblical and of Jesus. It can easily be shown that all the religions and even today’s anti-religion groups are far from their origin in the case of Christians from the cultish Jesus teachings.

It’s easy to see how Glynn’s cult experience was not evidenced to have much of the real Jesus in it, thus why it did become an example of Luciferian influenced corruption as Jesus said would happen and spoke to as their being “false Christ(ians),” not even knowing what it means to be engaged in the Christing process – coming to trick people who can be tricked into thinking they are serving the One True Kingdom of God when they don’t know Him hardly, if at all. This is on a person by person basis and even if we do recognize the many ways we’ve been tricked, we can still change and the best advise for that is to seek what’s most true at any cost to previous ideas. That can only happen if we project our asking beyond the stars to reach the highest source we can imagine and then proceeding as a seeker – busting past previous limitations of what what might look like.

I’ve written about the dozens of examples that show how Ti and Do demonstrated the same behaviors and ways and requirements of students that Jesus required to join his cult and yet I get no time to say anything about any of that.

Most of the only things they ended up using from the interviews I gave were things they could use to paint a distorted, hypothetically inaccurate negative slanted picture of the real Ti and Do and crew.

Another example of their focusing on anything that painted a negative picture of Ti and Do and their class was shown in how David (Alxody) during one of his two visits to his vehicle’s family was videoed twisting a phone cord in his fingers. Perhaps it was nervous energy as he was subject to scrutiny from his brother(s) around then, but perhaps he always had some nervous energy. We all knew he had a lot of force. The point is why spend any time on that when there are hundreds of things to focus on that could directly inform the listener to more of the truth about Ti and Do and their group.

With all this said, I do still appreciate hearing all of what they found to put together into this series and I know the pressure of being a somewhat mainstream media organizations that needs to attract advertisers and not upset certain people in high places is enormous to negotiate and of course the status quo thinking is overwhelmingly against even considering for a second that Ti and Do could have been exactly who they said they were.