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Allegiance to Ti and Do – not based on Their fulfillments of prophecy in the Book of Revelation

August 29, 2019
Crlody’s comment of DO’s statement put on Sawyer’s YouTube channel (3spm) re: a livestream that focused on the Book of Revelation:
“It’s no basis for our allegiance to our task. And it shouldn’t be to you. If you can think of it in that light, and just simply be amused by it, because we’re not trying to lock in on what we’re doing with fulfillment of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation, or Isaiah, or anyplace else, or Daniel”.-Do, Beyond Human Session 11
Sawyer’s reply:
The Book of Revelation or any other records never were the basis of my allegiance to TI and DO’s task. My allegiance to Ti and DO’s task They gave to “us,” that started in 1975 for me, was never based on the Revelation at all and it’s still not.
However, it was after the Beyond Human tapes that DO began being more forward to the public with regard to “our” position that “we” were the return of the same Souls who were The Father and Jesus and Their students.
This is clearly evidenced in a number of audios but perhaps the clearest is in the Portland, OR meeting tapes made in the spring of 1994.
In that tape, Rkkody asks a question of DO along the lines of… should we start standing on street corners holding up a sign or poster like the ones of those produced by DO and Class that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book. (That say DO and Students are the return of the Soul who used the vehicle named Jesus about 2000 years ago and His Students).
Also in that tape, DO tells the class, that included new students, that they should get familiar with the scriptures so they can speak to people with some background and that we might need to get that bold if they continue to ignore us.
I’m fulfilling some of that – helping to give anyone who is interested a great deal of evidence to set the records straight as DO also said in slightly different words, that Christians were the biggest group of people that were prepared for Jesus’ return.
DO on that occasion and other occasions in the Beyond Human series and in a big way did talk about key topics that are only found in the Book of Revelation, like Armageddon in the document He wrote called:

“TIME TO DIE FOR GOD
Or
Armageddon which side are you on”
Also in the document he wrote, (I believe after I left the class in 1994), named:
“THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS PROMOTE LIES-UNKNOWINGLY”
(because they were bombarded by Lucifer and his helpers) and hardly stood a chance, which means they have a chance):
 
“Now, before departure via a “NEXT LEVEL” mothership, my students and I will be assisting my Father and His other Next Level helpers in their WAR against these lies – this serious misinformation – perpetuated mainly by the so-called CHRISTIANS and JEWS”
DO also said that the WAR recorded as Armageddon was a war for Souls.
We know that He and TI were the fulfillment of the Two Witnesses prophecy in the Revelation, though they didn’t want to put that fact up front in their talks because they weren’t trying to ride those “tail feathers”, especially for those that were prepared to graduate who were most receptive to their more accurate terms of describing the Next Level Above Human and the “process” to embark (overcoming).
I also witnessed (and Pypody and Andody (Frank) and Mrcody (Mark) and Srfody (Sarah) were present for) DO holding a meeting that TI didn’t attend, (so before June of 1985) in which he gave instructions to bring whatever Bibles we had on hand to, where he had us open to Revelation 12:1, which he said was talking about TI as the “Woman”.
I know I can’t depend on all that was written in the Revelation as accurate because DO said in that same Portland tape, I think, that John didn’t know how to write down accurately some of what was being given to him, which I hadn’t heard or remembered until I recently listened to that tape.
Many Christians think they know it all, to include in the Revelation and some humans have picked up on major new ways of thinking about the Revelation, that I observed while researching certain topics for the book I wrote. (TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses)
DO didn’t say we couldn’t read the Revelation materials, if only to be “amused” so I’m not doing anything wrong or against Ti and DO’s wishes to choose to talk about those materials. (Years ago, Carlan cited that part of the Beyond Human tape before as criticism of my writing a book focused on all Jesus prophecy to include the Book of Revelation).
In about 1985, that the students I mentioned earlier might recall, Dncody (Dick – not among the 38 yet his vehicle became deceased because of disease) was assigned a task by himself to re-write the Bible, if I recall correctly, though I wasn’t privy to what parts as I doubt it included that Old Testament. He left the class some years later, perhaps as late as 1991 so I don’t know how far he got or whether it was discontinued soon thereafter. I only bring it up to show Ti and Do’s thinking back then.
One of the main points of the awakening Ti and Do first experienced, they said, in Boerne, Texas in 1973 was that they were both from the Kingdom in the literal heavens (outer space), here to fulfill prophecy and to bring updates to the bible.
I know these records are not important to our allegience to Them, possibly to include to new students at this time period, after their exit of their human vehicles they borrowed but how do we know they won’t be important to certain ones now or to come? Even if none of the Souls that might still remain to find vehicles they can take over to show their belief and allegiance to Ti and Do don’t benefit from the Revelation materials, it faces Christians with the truth so they can choose whether to serve their humanness (mammon) or The Next Level through the “keys” (teachings) provided by TI and DO.
It also provides the Next Level with more options if TI and DO want to use what we and others write/say about more of the truth of the application of those historic records for a future civilizational classroom, should it be organized by the Next Level soon or in the distant future. TI and DO talked about this and assigned us in the class at that time in the 1980’s the task of writing a “book” for that purpose – to be an aid to a future Next Level crew. A future Next Level crew would be on earth again, in this way to relate to humans as They don’t need these records but those might benefit from having them.
I would think that anyone who believes in TI and Do would want to see Them talked about in every applicable positive minded way.
For whatever it may be worth, that lower forces influences (that we all have to battle) would have some believe about me, I’m not competing with anyone. Nor do I think I’m a hotshot or elevated over anyone for doing what little I do. If anything, my talking about scripture much might turn away some that choose to turn away because of their difficulty with those records – often because of the way those records were framed as a part of the so called Christian religion that they may understandibly hate because of the centuries of hypocrisies and outright lies, that they got mostly from Paul of Tarsus (that TI talked about in audio tape 66 or 201 if I recall correctly).

TI and DO transcript #53 – Lessons on Following Instructions as a Member of the Next Level Would

May 12, 2019
Tape Log: 053 – 03/31/83 – OOC task-two extremes. Be alert & observant. Must learn the art of getting along with everyone. Misapplication of instruction-flowers. Interaction with Links =lessons-just say, “I did it wrong”. 45 min.

(Transcribed by Nisha and edited by Sawyer (Swy) Classroom full name: Swyody)

(Swy note: This appears to have been recorded at the Houston “retreat”. TI and DO lived in Houston briefly, their vehicles home before they awakened upon meeting there. When they moved there DO grew a beard so he wouldn’t be so noticeable by former friends and family of his vehicle. They leased a type of townhouse for students to come there to visit while the rest of the class was in Austin.)

Tape starts:

DO: Often when Links is talking to someone about instructions we might start off saying one thing like go to such and such a place to get carrots and then the more we talk in the conversation because of information we later find out we would change that to: don’t go to such and such a place and get carrots, go someplace else. Repeatedly, we find that the students are hearing portions of what we say and not hearing other portions. In other words, at the point of our making a change, they remember what we said first before we made the change more that they remember the change, which means — sounds like they’re thinking about something we said while we’re saying something else instead of listening to everything we say as we say it.

Don’t let your computers work on something we’ve just said while we’re still trying to say something else. You could be helpful by — like when TI brought up the cornbread thing of not letting the batter sit too long that just overrode everything and translated to: We’ll make up all the cornbread and let everybody be served cold cornbread which wasn’t the intent at all, it was a misapplication of instructions which is part of what we’re going to talk about. We’ve got to lick, dismiss misapplication of instructions.

TI: Let me give another example because I think ones back at the craft – The last crew that was up here and we noticed that Alxody was coming up with this group we said that Alxody was a satellite 3 person coming up and we said Alxody could not come up as a satellite 3 person but that didn’t mean they would bump Alxody and put somebody else in so that we would have a satellite 3 person. It meant that it was such perfectly okay for Alxody to come up but he could not be as a Satellite 3 person the way they mentioned it to us. Do yawl remember that?

And by the time they got back to the class they interpreted it that Alxody couldn’t come on this retreat group because he couldn’t be a Satellite 3 person, which there are times when there are no Satellite 3 people coming anymore in the retreat group – is that right – so why would you bump Alxody because of what we’re saying – to think the reason for that wasn’t because there was anything wrong with Alxody. It’s because he’s not able to function as a  Satellite 3 person without a check partner and he doesn’t have a check partner.

DO: Well we said we always try to make it if we can so a Satellite 3 person can be in a retreat crew going to retreat. And we said yes that’s fine but you don’t do it at the expense of having to get them out of the order of which they should be going. You follow what we’re saying? But we couldn’t count the number of times that our instructions have been twisted and you want to be aware of how your vehicles twist instructions and you want to exert special effort to find out if you’re twisting instructions.

Let’s take the — I feel like Swyody has innocently twisted instructions or I’m not understanding everything. Like this morning, I asked him how his new task was going and he said: Well not exactly like the other two times I was over there, because the dishwasher didn’t show up and the chef was having to pitch in and wash dishes and they had to bring in somebody from someplace else and I said: Well, did you offer to help with the dishwashing? and he said ‘No I didn’t’. And I suspect, though I may be wrong that he was maybe thinking he shouldn’t from what we said about washing dishes. Is that correct, Swyody?

Swyody: (affirms)

DO: Well see that’s not right. Links have never indicated that you all — when we said we didn’t want you going out and taking jobs washing dishes – we didn’t want people taking advantage of you. But did that mean that when a crew is shorthanded and everybody is having to pitch in that we would have one of our students be the one not to pitch in and do things like scrub pots and pans or even scrub the floor or any other thing that had to happen as an exception.

And we said as it turns out – well he told me from the beginning that they had to do this and then my brain just short circuited because I thought then why did you apply for the job? Because if you know we don’t want you doing pots and pans regularly – when people wouldn’t show up. In other words, you can’t go and say: ‘I’d like this job very much and I’m a dessert person and ah well I’m just making this up’ but you can’t go and say ‘I’ll do this and this and this but I don’t wash windows, I don’t do pots and pans I’m not going to let you step on me – I’m not going to let you take advantage of me.’ It means your not understanding what Links was talking about in the beginning – because what Links is talking about in the beginning is that you go out and be the best employee that you can be. We don’t want you to apply for menial labor tasks but that didn’t mean that when in an emergency situation that you wouldn’t pitch in and be apart of a crew that needed to do anything that needed to happen. Now if it turned out that emergency situations were more ordinary than extraordinary and if you were washing pots and pans more than you were doing anything else then you would say look that’s not what you took the job for, let’s see if you can get another one. But we, this is another example of we have seen you go to one extreme to the other, we have seen people who’d have let people step all over them instead of sticking to your guns like if you took a car to be repaired and the service man just said oh well I don’t think that right we need so and so. Stick to your guns and tell them what Links told you it needs – this is what we told you needs to be done.

The extreme of that is a time or two people have done it in such a way that it irritated the service manager and made it sound like they were mad or they were being arrogant or they were being so impossible and at that point don’t you know that humans back down? And they’re not going to service you. They’re not going to be helpful to you if you go in and set them off with: Well listen to me!, this is the way I want it done and that’s it. You’ve got to stick to your guns diplomatically. You’ve got to do it in away that they appreciate the fact that you’re sticking to your guns. You don’t start bumping noses with them or bucking with them unless it’s a situation where you have no choice. You’ve tried your diplomatic effort, you’ve tried to cooperate with them, you’ve tried to do everything in a way that you could stick to your guns and still have a smooth outcome and it didn’t work. If it didn’t work then your kind of at your wits end – you would either have to buck with them or throw up your hands and call for help. But you’ve got to – tell us what the score is Swyody so we can understand it better like what did you mean when you said ‘He told me from the offset that this happens’ frequently?

Swyody: Well he said he had a hard time getting help…

DO: Well then why didn’t you tell us that? Why didn’t you let us know that when you started applying for the job that here’s a position where the chef has told us that frequently people won’t show up and he ends up washing the pots. I wouldn’t be able to work with a chef who was washing the pots and pans when I was making desserts.

TI: What would you do when he was washing pots and pans?

Swyody: I was making a soup he asked me to make.

DO: Okay, well that’s okay if he says like if I offer to wash the pots and pans and he says no I want you to make the soup I’ll fill in here. Great. But I would feel obligated to offer to the chef to wash their pots and pans and I would want to and that’s why I asked you did you offer to wash them. Did you offer to wash them?

Swyody: No.

DO: See this is where it goes wrong because to me if you’re under the chef and he’s having to do something like that you’d want to give the feeling of one who is cooperative and wants to be helpful. We feel like Swyody had bad luck a time or two with tasks and it may be because he’s misapplying instructions we’ve given him because he’s standing up for his guns so they think ‘Good night. Who do you think you are? You ought to be having office in Washington instead of here in a kitchen.’, You see what I’m saying? Because that would be a a misapplication of instructions when we say don’t let people walk over you that doesn’t mean you walk in with your nose in the air and lay down the guidelines of what you’ll do in this task. What you do is go and find out what the task requires and if it isn’t according to guidelines you go elsewhere looking for a job.

TI: What you have to do when you have an out of craft task, it’s really about the feeler and all of you have to develop the feeler. You have to learn to feel what it’s like – a good employee doesn’t ever tell an employer I won’t do something. We’re not asking any of you to tell an employer that I don’t do something or imply that I won’t do it – so of course that’s within the job task. I’m not talking about your going to rob a bank or something because I’m certain that’s within the job task. I’m not talking about their wanting you to go rob the bank or something. Because you could throw that back us later and say well they asked us to go do this or to go rob that bank or to go do everything they asked us to do. Believe it or not you all are capable of going to that extreme.

DO: And if you question the rightness of it get a note off to Sat 3 and let them get it off to Links so that we can see what happening and like Dstody said he didn’t feel right about his boss asking him to take drinks into the locker room to men who – are in the sauna when men order drinks when men said I’ll give you 10 dollars or whatever it was to go get me a beer and bring it into the sauna and he didn’t feel right about that. TI and I didn’t see anything wrong in his task why shouldn’t he do it? But the point is he refused and it almost he refused a number of things that almost got his job in hot water – because they were thinking that he had a little too many areas that he wanted his job to only be these things and not do those things so what you do is, like TI said, try to be sensitive with your feeler, try to discover what the task is before you take it and try to feel – does it feel right? Is the things I’m going to be doing do I think they’re in the guidelines of what Links intends for us to be willing to do and if the answer to that is yes then take the task – then if it turns out later that it’s expanded into areas you begin to question bring it up and let us help you with it before you cut your nose off before you make a situation where they begin to dislike you and they can dislike you on the grounds that you think you’re doing what you think Links would have you do.

We wouldn’t have you in a task where they dislike you unless they’re impossible or if they dislike you because you won’t join in as they snort cocaine or whatever it is that they’re doing – if there are things like that you know we would have you immediately try get something else. But we think you’re more capable of knowing what our intentions are then just grabbing on to little pieces of things that we say and then letting them over a short period of time distort and create an impossible circumstance for yourself.

TI: The Mind just has to push through to understand better – it’s like the brain is blocking you from what we’re saying and you have to exert the effort to understand what we’re saying. You may think you know because you think TI and Do have said this over and over again and I know exactly what they’re going to say and it turns out that you don’t know what we’re staying.

DO: That’s right, your vehicle is making it sound like you’re hearing a repeat.

TI: It’s getting to where I’m almost afraid to say something thinking it will be translated into something else. And I think how can I say something where they can understand what I’m saying? And even right now I wonder, of course we have it on tape but I still wonder if it’s going to translate into your brain – well you have got to push through and understand what we’re saying. The reason we’re putting this on tape is because if there are others like at the craft who have out of craft tasks and they are having the same kinds of misunderstanding that Swyody has had then we hope that this will help correct.

When you are on an out of craft task or in the craft you should be mentally alert, someone said that I’ve watched one individual in this class do things that looks like it’s just mechanical like there’s no mind really operating in that vehicle at that time and it disturbed me because I feel like that individual can be caught up in a trap that it would just slip into a nothingness, a despondency.

DO: a passiveness.

TI: a passiveness so much so that it can cause you trouble and you have never seen us walk around with a mechanical air about us. We are your examples you have to be mentally alert you’ve got to be observant you’ve got to listen carefully. When you all talk to us, we listen to you as carefully as we can unless we have a distraction and then if we have a distraction because of something one of the others TI and Do might be saying to  – to openly take what we’re listening to you and go through one of us then we’ll go back and say sorry we missed what you were saying and can you tell us again. We’re teaching you all how to listen to Older Members. You all can’t do that – only Older Members can do it, like your teachers. Actually it isn’t right for us to do it – but when there are two Older Members working together in a class circumstance sometimes it does happen but it doesn’t mean that you all can do that to Older Members – it’s like if we’re taking to you on the caller and somebody says something to you, you come back and say I’m sorry, so and so was telling me something and I didn’t hear what you were saying.

DO: (laughs) that happens a lot.

TI: Now that has happened to us many, many times and that should not happen any more than if we were standing here talking to you and all the activity around the room you started watching what Dncody and Lvvody were doing while they’re talking to Cddody. Before you know it I could ask you what was Dncody and Lvvody doing and you could tell us every little action that they were doing and then we’ll say what was I telling you and you wouldn’t even know what we were talking about. Can you understand that?

DO: You’re not capable of doing both you’re not capable of listening carefully and doing other things, you may think you are.

TI: That means you’re more interested in Dncody and Lvvody then what we’re saying so then why should we exert the effort to tell you anything? So you’ve got to understand this because it’s extremely important that you get your minds into your vehicles. When you walk, you walk as a member of the Next Level, when you talk you talk as a Member of the Next Level. You do not just walk mechanically, pick up things and look at them and put them down and try on a jacket – without any expression on your face without anything like you look like a puppet! A robot or something.

When you’re in an out of craft tasks you are alert and you know what you’re tasks are and you participate in everything as though you enjoy it. When you leave the class, you come back, end of – leave your task leave that job at your place where you work you come back here and you work in the craft as though you like it and you are alert, you know what is going on you are interested in what’s going on you’ve got to push through it and the vehicle will not do it automatically, it was not trained to do that. Your mind has to do it. And as soon as you learn that’s the better you will learn and we will be able to communicate with you. If you don’t do it we’re not going to be able to communicate with you. We have reached this place before and we felt like we just can’t communicate with you and then you all exert the effort and we’re able to do it, then we get to another spot where we can communicate which means it’s just practice that grows – there’s nothing wrong with any of you it’s that you have to put it into action, which will not happen on its own.

DO: Let me use this example with Cddody again because it’s there were little ramifications that could have come into his mind at one point that since they weren’t resolved I don’t think his brain computed. Let’s go back over the conversation Cddody was talking to me last night about, we’re going to take the car into the shop and at first we had said that they would they get it there somewhere between 7:30 and 9:00 and then little later in the conversation I said no why don’t you just get up and get to the top of the bath slot and consume and get off as quickly as you can and at that point TI heard me say that and TI then said (and of course Cddody couldn’t hear) but TI had said no let’s get him there at 7:30 then I had said no let’s get there at 7:30 which Cddody repeated to me ‘get there at 7:30’ but I didn’t say that means you might have to alter your up time and so forth and so on so it didn’t compute so what computed was to get there as close to 7:30 as they could – getting up on time and consuming as soon as they could and they got off at 7:50, I mean got down there at 7:50 which in his mind, was correct instruction.

The point I’m making is only one time did I say no let’s get there at 7:30 and what it didn’t make a strong enough impression in the computer. To think about oh well that means what we said a few minutes ago about getting at the top of the bath slot and consuming that means that won’t work so would you have us get up earlier if necessary to get there at 7:30 because if he had computed that and asked that question the answer would have been well yes of course if you can’t – in other words we don’t feel like we have to know what you can do what you have to do in order to get there at 7:30 you see what I’m saying. I feel like if you can’t get up at 6.30, consume and get off in order to be there at 7:30 then you have to alter in order to get there at 7:30 and if you feel like Links hasn’t Ok’d your getting up early then you’ve got to come back and say I don’t think we can get up on time and get there at 7:30 so that we can have a chance to say well then get up early if necessary. Well, when it got to be after 7 and you all hadn’t left I couldn’t imagine what had happened but this is just a little example how one sentence said no let’s get there at 7:30 and that there were dozens of other sentences that hadn’t been that explicit. You see what we’re saying? So the brain didn’t ‘Uh-oh’ grab hold of that one and say everything we previously talked about has now been altered and this means that we’re going to get there at 7:30 and this happens a lot – not just with Cddody it happens with others almost without exception. Frequently it’s the key thing we say in the whole conversation that gets lost.

TI: Well, it’s like the cornbread incident when the key thing was to plan your strategy so you would have hot cornbread for both crews and none of you had it.

DO: I want to know from Swyody, see I’m afraid that you got the picture that you were to present yourself in a way that you wouldn’t do tasks of that nature or I don’t understand why you wouldn’t have said to your chef last night; Goodness, can I help you out of this bind?’ and then give him the option to say; Nope, this is what I have to live with because people don’t like to be out here and you go ahead and do your soup. But to me, if I had hired someone in a lesser position than my own position and they didn’t offer to do a more menial task than their task when I was having to do it I would wonder what kind of spirit they were, what kind of cooperative nature they had. You see what I’m saying? Did that not cross your mind?

Swyody: (unintelligible)

DO: Well it would’ve been my first thought that he would think poorly of me if I didn’t offer to do that his having to do it. Particularly when I’m new and I’m wanting to make a good impression. You see what I’m saying?

Swyody: Well, I know he gave me the task of making the soup.

DO: well sure.

Swyody: so I guess…

DO: Well see I don’t know the whole picture but in trying to piece together the parts I got from you and it might be that the way he was giving you instructions might have made it very clear to you that he wanted to do that and want you to go ahead doing what you’re doing – if he did then I could understand it. I don’t know the whole picture, but I do know that you should give an impression with your employer and that nothing is beneath you even though you didn’t take the job to do dishes and you don’t want to do something like that on a regular basis hopefully because I would rather find another job if I ended up doing that all the time. It’s like with Anyody we didn’t know she was doing pots and pans on a regular basis we thought that she asked to do it on rare exceptions, next thing we knew it was on a regular basis and her regular task was pot’s and pans and we immediately said Anyody that’s taboo.

TI: That’s when you step in and said let us know about it. But once in a while it doesn’t hurt.

DO: It’s the awkwardness you all have to get passed. Swyody had an awkwardness over his address and it’s like he got caught in a couple of stories about giving wrong street numbers that didn’t exist and you’ve got to be sharper than that and more comfortable with your strategy. You’ve got to plan it that you can’t be in a circumstance like that. If I’m going to use a street number I’ve got to know that street — I’m certainly not going to give it 10,300 if I don’t know if that streets even 6 blocks long. I’m automatically going down in the first few hundreds if I’m not familiar with that street I would automatically have to think that way and you all are capable of thinking that way you’re just not exerting the effort and then you get caught twice! Twice he got caught by the same person in personnel about information that had no truth to it and part of thinking was he as nervous about the new task he was a little insecure about the two bad experiences he has recently had and deflating his ego to an extent but you have got to not let people deflate your confidence.

The only reason your confidence has any reason to be deflated is if you’re trying to do a task the way Links would have you do it and the more you try it you don’t seem to be accomplishing anything then I would have my confidence would be threatened a little bit then I would have to work harder to get it restored. But something that a human could do to me like Tim did to you that couldn’t threaten my confidence at all or make me deflated but if I had an experience like Swyody did with Tim I would wonder now wait a minute they could be –  I don’t know why but no matter what kind of impossible person Tim seemed to be, something must be wrong with me that I wasn’t capable of getting along with him – why I couldn’t go in, do a good task and be liked. I might say things that sound a little wrong, I may present myself in a way that doesn’t seem likeable something about me has caused others to dislike me but how can I change that? And all of you need to examine that kind of thing when you’re in a task in craft or out of craft when you find yourself in a predicament where others find it difficult to cooperate with you and examine yourself and wonder what it is that makes it that way.

TI: It’s very difficult to work with — when you’re a Member of the Next Level to work with humans when there’s conflict so it’s always better to try to get rid of conflict by examining yourself and also observing that individual to see how you can get along with that person well if it’s impossible to get along with that individual then you’ll find out eventually but you can be – it’s just like working with each other none of you should be so impossible that I don’t like the work with so and so. I don’t like to work with him or her because of such and such that’s all garbage, that’s all human garbage and you all should know everybody’s likes and dislikes and you shouldn’t pay any bit attention so that could affect you because there is not a single person here that could do any harm to you.

DO: There are some in your class who — there are a number of people who have a difficulty getting along with them. Okay, follow my little formula here there’s some individuals in your class because of some characteristics they still have not conquered a number of people find it difficult to get along with them. But there are others in your class that can get along with those individuals and have mastered how not to let those characteristics of which they’re trying to conquer to disturb them in the least. And they can get maximum performance in cooperation with those individuals that others find it impossible to get along with so where’s the trouble? With the person who’s impossible or the person who can’t get along with them?

The person that’s difficult he’s got a lot to work on but the person who can’t get along with them has to work on just as much because he hasn’t learned to get along with. He hasn’t mastered anything he’s only good with people who are easy to get along with you see what we’re saying? So he has to learn to get along with people who require effort to get along with and there’s no difference when some of your classmates are working on certain kinks in their personality that are difficult then areas that you are working on that are less obvious and none of you are free of serious areas that need work. Therefore there’s no justification for not learning the art of getting along with anyone. Okay, are we through? Tllody?

Tllody: I hope this is appropriate… (unintelligible)

TI: They don’t serve us, we serve our own.

Tllody: continues…

DO: They clean our plates sometimes but you know why they clean our plates and don’t find sauce and spaghetti on our plates? Because we scrape our own plates.

TI: The sauce is okay, the meat we’re not encouraging you to eat.

DO: Either one is an extreme. If I try to eat my spaghetti so that all the sauce and meat is left off I’m going to an extreme but if I eat my spaghetti and clean up the sauce and meat that on my plate I’m going to another extreme we say that the sauce and meat that goes with your spaghetti can’t hurt you but you shouldn’t have so much sauce on there that’s there’s a lot of concentrated sauce and meat that you would follow that experiment up with.

TI: But we don’t eat much of the meat, we eat very little of the meat.

DO: That’s right now the meat we consider more flavoring for the spaghetti and we consume only what little meat might stick to the spaghetti if as we consume it as we roll it up into little baseballs that doesn’t mean we try on every little baseball to be sure that every little bit of the meat is off of it, that’s an extreme. But we don’t heat that the concentrated sauce and meat is good for you enough that you should clean up what’s left on your plate and that it you should try not have no much sauce with it that there’s puddle of it left after you ate your spaghetti.

TI: That’s right, you shouldn’t have that much sauce that you would have to clean up your plate with a spoon and this is not what we are encouraging you to do.

Tllody (explaining how his vehicle likes the meat):

TI: If your vehicle likes it, it’s going to find a way if you all could learn your vehicle and you can bank on it doing exactly what it likes to do when it comes to food in other words that sounds when somebody asks a question about consuming the thought comes in my mind entirely different is recorded in my brain as I receive it because it’s saying I like this exactly what I want to hear I know it, it’s just like if you all could realize that it’s…

DO: My brain, I mean my mind reacts just the opposite and dislikes what my vehicle has just indicated to me what it likes so much. So much that I tend to then go the other way and be more turned off then would be normal if had I hadn’t seen a prejudice from my vehicle in favor of it.

TI: In favor of it.

DO: you see what I’m saying?

Tllody: In a sense that’s the key right there, that your vehicle has…

TI: Just like ice cream, if your vehicle looks forward to the ice cream then your mind order step in immediately and say ‘ice cream isn’t that good’

DO: It isn’t.

TI: Sure

DO: Cause your mind doesn’t care if it gets ice cream it doesn’t have a means of enjoying it.

TI: It doesn’t say ‘oh boy that tastes good’, that’s your vehicle talking. And your mind should immediately realize the symptoms that your vehicle is looking forward to the cake and you don’t have to eat a piece of cake and if I was having that kind of trouble I wouldn’t touch a piece of cake.

DO: Your mind doesn’t feed the vehicle like the human feeds the horse sugar to keep the horse happy – I’m going to give it something that isn’t good for it just to keep it happy. The mind considers that it has the ability to control the vehicle and keep it operating and functioning well without giving into it. Without doing all the little things to satisfy it that doesn’t mean that it goes to the other extreme and is difficult with the vehicle it tries to do it without giving into it and without trying too be to harsh on it. Don’t go out of balance to be too harsh on the vehicle and to give into it, way out the balance. The proper way when you have the vehicle in control is to get the performance from the vehicle that you want without any back talk one way or the other – we just want to get the performance out of it therefore you know it requires X amount of nutrition and consuming but it doesn’t require X amount of sugar or X amount of this – any of the things that the vehicle has a particular yen for so it doesn’t give in to those but neither does it go to the other extreme. It’s like when we told you the big test is can I gave a little something once in a while without making it a big ‘to-do’ can I learn to ignore it. Like if I really like ice cream I’ll skip some of my ice cream opportunities and when I have my ice cream I’ll learn not even look forward to it. It’s just some other ingredient that I’m having.

TI: Just like getting gas at the service station. Cars don’t look forward getting unleaded or just plain old regular – they just get it because they’re running out of gas and this is how you should look at food, food is just gas that you’re putting into your vehicles.

DO: Talking about gas for a moment, I think that still one of the biggest problems we have with vehicles that have gas problems is not chewing enough – the more you chew and pulverize that food the less it creates fermentation in your digestive system and the more the natural enzymes break it down and prevent gas, so one of the main things you can do and I have to keep my own vehicle disciplined in the area of chewing particularly when I only have one little tiny spot to chew on, I get awful tired of shoveling everything to that one little spot and chomping for so long.

TI: have to use the front teeth.

This doesn’t apply to just likes and dislikes in regards to food it’s likes and dislikes to anything like let’s use the TV for instance one individual while he was here on at retreat wanted to change the time of consuming so that he could watch the news. That’s pretty bad, I think it happened in Blackhawk it hasn’t happened recently but when you have thoughts like that that means you’re hooked on television because we have not given you an assignment to watch the news. Now if we say we don’t want you to miss a single news item on television no matter what, don’t give us any excuses and everything watched on television in regards to news then you would have to alter your schedule to watch the news but the news is optional and we know things are happening out there and they’re going to happen whether we watch TV or not. And when the time comes and it’s time for the news and you’re free of what you’re supposed to be doing then it’s okay to watch it but the world doesn’t stop just so you can see the news you don’t plan your schedule so that you can see the news – if you’re through with everything in the task, in the craft and the news is on and you feel like you feel like you can sit down and do it then it’s okay to do it but otherwise it isn’t imperative to see it.

TI and DO transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal

May 6, 2019
TIDO audio transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal – 05-09-85
(Transcribed by NX VX and edited by Sawyer)
(Sawyer note: This meeting was about 4 weeks before DO held a meeting without TI and told us TI was diagnosed with cancer in her vehicles liver.  Also this was months after TI instigated a meeting and explained to us that DO was uncomfortable asking us for our commitment to him even though He knew His task was to be in that position of having students give their total commitment to him. In that meeting TI instructed us to make our commitment to DO).
We feel like the subject we talked about on the last tape, that we don’t want to talk about anymore now. We want to spend some time trying to re-establish, and establish better the feeling that we hoped that you were having at the time of learning what a committal was. Now when we talk to you at a meeting like this, sometimes we talk to, we have to always talk to the ones who are having the most difficulty with task of whatever we are talking about. Do you follow that? So when we talk to them it doesn’t, don’t assume that we’re talking to everybody. In other words we don’t want to feel like we have to say this applies to a few of you and not to some of you, you know but we do, you should understand that we are always talking to the things that we’re aware of that some are dealing with. Even though it might be one, we will still talk to all of you, many times we feel that we are instructed to do that, to talk to all of you about the things that maybe even one person is dealing with.
Now on the committal, I remember TI saying that if I were you I would re-establish that feeling of that committal daily. And yet I can’t believe, or we can’t believe that some of you are doing it. That you probably thought it was a good idea when you heard it and it sounded really good in theory, and a real super thing to do, but you didn’t make a plan. You didn’t go through the trouble to actually do it yourself. Whether it meant write it down in length and be sure that you felt it, and whether it meant doing it once a day, or three times a day, or ten times a day but from some of the notes that we’ve gotten we can tell that some of you feel like now that because the way you express yourself even. You say that now that the ray is not here, I have slipped in this area or that, and dern it, I can’t believe that have and, you got to get beyond that. You got to get where you can’t back into that, you can’t fall back into that. If you, well, let me use a personal example for a moment, of our awakening.You can’t imagine what took place in the battle between our minds and our vehicles, when just out of the blue in the matter of a few days, from the time that we were deciding that. Well it was about a month or two after we met for the first time, after these vehicles had met for the first time. Within a month or two, we knew we had to do something together that was going to be our primary effort. Like all day, and within a few weeks after that, we took the instruction that said we had to be under one roof and like the bobsy twins, twenty-four hours a day doing only this task, and yet we didn’t even know what we were doing.

Now, the reason I’m bringing it up is because you can imagine the rebellion that our vehicles had, for such a thing and how.  If we had let our vehicles, even though there was a period of time when we didn’t have enough control of our vehicles to keep from causing the other one a lot of difficulty, but very very quickly we had to get enough control of that, so that we were on our task all day, all night and not having to deal with the ups and downs of being a disturbance to the other one or sending the other one in a tail-spin, because our vehicle was losing control. In other words we were forced because we were, we couldn’t stand what it caused the other one, much less the discomfort of our-self. We were forced to maintain Next Level mind-type control all the time.
Now, the reason we bring that up is because it’s very easy for you – even though sometimes you don’t do it when we’re with you, but it’s easier for you when we’re with you at a meeting for an hour and a half, two hours every so many days. It’s easy to have your best mind on, during that time. It’s like, because it’s kind of a period of time. It’s kind of, even makes you feel good to have that best time on.
It’s like the feeling that humans get when they go to church. They go to church and it feels real good, and oh boy do they believe in the things that the preacher preached, and they really want to do them, and they say they want to do them, and they say they are going to do them, but they do at varying degrees, very little of what is happening and of course he doesn’t require much of it.
The human preacher or priest that they go to, now it’s almost that you don’t recognize, in your conscious mind, that it has to be sustained. When you make a committal, to an Older Member, that Older Member should not be able to call you at any moment – during any period of time when you would not be in the same committal frame of mind that you are when you have a prior notice of the Older Member’s coming to visit with you, and then you prepare and get rid of all the things that are, put on a good face and oh I’m ready for church again, here comes the Older Member! You’ve got to know that the vehicle will continue to do that, if you let it get away with it. In other words you’re still ignorant to some of the characteristics. You’re not wise to some of the con-games of the vehicle that still will do things.
In other words TI and I don’t run off to the closet, occasionally, to get rid of the hostilities that the vehicles would feel because of the requirements of the tasks. Do you follow that? If there were moments, long long time ago, when we felt like we had to run off and get to the closet in order to get rid of those things, we quickly had to get past that period or we were still very very two-faced! Our schizophrenia was showing, and the bad side of the schizophrenia was almost stronger than the good side. Now even though you feel maybe that you’ve come a long way in your change and in the degree of your control of your vehicle, and now you’ve even recognized that the Next Level Mind likes some of the vibrations of this human kingdom. You still, we feel like we’re on the piano-roll at a point where this can’t be tolerated. It’s like a unconscious way of saying to Links, It’s like saying to us “don’t you know that I love the Next Level? I really, I love the Next Level with all my heart and I don’t want anything else. The world out there doesn’t appeal to me at all, but these little things that my vehicle still keeps getting away with – goodness – I can’t do anything about it. It’s just, but I’m getting better, I’m getting better at it and I want to get better at it!” And you believe it, but at that rate of development we either have to think in terms that we find it impossible to think. We either have to think poor so and so can’t do it, and so we have to just be permissive of very very slow rate of growth.
Now we don’t believe, when we are really honest with ourselves, we don’t believe the Next Level sent one to do this task who couldn’t do it, and the task requires control sufficient of the vehicle to not give into the vehicle and a human way. Now you know there was a time, out of our love for you believe it or not, we didn’t even want to let somebody leave their task because we loved them more than – even when they seemingly hated us, we loved them so much that we didn’t want to see them throw their task away. Now it’s switched to where your committal has to prove itself enough that you must be prepared for the fact that we may get instruction to say so and so and so and so, we’ll try to help you go somewhere and wait until we, leave together, because we’re just not moving fast enough, and you’re dragging your feet.
TI:  (Inaudible)
DO:  Yes.
TI:  You’ve got to realize that you have a task, and your task is more important, at this time than ever. Even though it has always been important, but we’ve got to get-this going. Now if you’re not capable of doing your task, then like DO said we may be given instructions to take the task away from you, and give it to somebody else.
DO:  Which is no different than taking…
TI:  Lab
DO:   a task away from people that realize they are not ready for it.
TI:  Now we’re not, we don’t have instructions to do that right now. We have instructions right now for you all to get this committal going again, because the ray has never left you.
DO:  And we –
TI:  We told you it had, but it didn’t leave you. It was still around you, we told you it was.
DO:  We told you that you could revitalize it.
TI:  Right, and yet for you to believe that it was gone because of the way we said it, meant that you were not sincere when you wrote your committal.
DO:  Right your committal was –
TI:  In other words it was just a lie. You only wrote it because you were caught up in…
DO:  The excitement.
TI:  the excitement of it all, and we say if you don’t love us, don’t tell us about it!
DO:  And don’t tell us about it, because you love us at the moment, –
TI:  Right-
DO:  but you can’t hang onto it.
TI:  If I tell you that I care about you more than anything, I mean it! And you can do, as long as you do not stand up and curse the Next Level, I will take anything from you! And I will try to help you in every way that I can because that is doing my task. Now if you love us then do your task! And do it a hundred percent. Make up your mind to do it, right now, and prove to us that what you wrote on that paper to us, you meant it! It’s as simple as that, show us! Don’t talk about it, show us!
DO:  We are getting instruction to tell you that we might get instruction that might include taking some off the task. If they just can’t muster up the energy or the effort it takes to demonstrate more control, because it is the control that does the work, both for your vehicle and for the task of the world. It is the exercise, constant control that does it, and you are capable of it, and we are not building you up or flattering you. We know that you are capable of doing it.
Now your vehicle can say is this a threat? If you want to listen to the vehicle, then it might call it that. We’re not threatening you, we’re just saying we have instruction to give to you that we have received that says you must be consistent with what you have said you believe and feel toward the Next Level, and toward two members of the Next Level that are with you working with you, and if you can hang onto it, you know it’s so funny when TI said (DO laughing). If you do love us, then you’re going to do your task, and it just echoed what the little New Testament says you know. When you read it because that’s all it’s about is if you love it, it has to be there. You can’t say I do, you’ve got to perform it. It has to be consistent.
TI:  Now when you’re to be consistent it means to do it under all obstacles. Now quite a few of you have come down with colds, and how did you handle that cold? Did you handle it as a member of the Next Level or did you handle it as a human? And question yourself because if you felt like you had to do this, that was not instruction to do it, then you handled it the way a human would do it. If you made up your own little rules, fell asleep in the chair or took extra rest because you felt like the vehicle needed it, because it had a cold or whatever other thing that your vehicle could of designed for. Then you are listening to the vehicle, and you were tested, and you flunked! And you should be aware of that your vehicle can do that, and therefore you want to build up enough ammunition in that direction so that when it comes on again, you’ll be able to handle it as a member of the Next Level. I have, this vehicle has had sniffles, and sinus trouble as long as I have been on this task. You all know, that I have been stopped up so, that I could hardly breath.
DO:  It’s seldom any other way.
TI:  But it didn’t stop me from doing my task. I learned to live with it, I did not think I was going to die, I did not think I needed any extra attention.
DO:  Or medication.
TI:  All I did need, was some Kleenex, (Laughter) which was either that or some kind of tissue that would catch the sniffles, but the point I’m getting at is if it’s an obstacle that comes your way then face it! Doctor it, take care of the vehicle, but don’t give into it and make it seem like it’s a big production. Now if you do feel weak then, like I do know if there have been times when this vehicle has felt weak and I have sat down or I have rested for a few minutes and felt better afterward, which is perfectly okay too, and when you do it you write a note saying: My vehicle, because of the cold, I’ve tried to do this and nothing seemed to make me feel any better so I rested for a few minutes and I felt better afterward. But you don’t need to go down for thirty or forty, or forty or sixty minutes. Not that any of you have done that I’m not saying you have. I’m trying to make you understand how the vehicle can con you to believe that you need all this extra stuff because you have a cold.
(DO agrees)
TI:  Now you don’t want to abuse your vehicle. First, if our technique had been good, only one person would’ve come down with a cold. So what you want to do is be aware that a cold can come, we can come down with a cold anytime, and treat all of our lab tools as though everyone is contaminated and if you do that we won’t spread that sickness. Now the ones of you who need extra work, no. The ones of you who are really trying to do good, which is all 35 of you, you will be faced with tests. Some of you will have tests from Links, some of you will have tests from each other, or some of you will have tests at your out-of-craft tasks and how you handle those tests is what’s important.
DO:  You know, a human parent, when –
TI:  Let me finish what I was saying.
DO:  Oh I’m sorry, I thought you were.
TI:  In other words what you want to do is to be on guard at all times, and if somebody comes, right before you’re going down and gives you something, say from Links, we want it to be like a neon light going on in, or a red light going off in your brain. Saying uh oh here’s a test, how am I going to handle it? But if you have a poor response, you go down, you get up the next day and you thought about it and then you try to correct it, you really didn’t pass the test. Now this is what you want to stop. If your vehicle wants to go over the norm on things, and you go over the norm and then write a note to Links about it. You have flunked the test! You have not done your task, because your task is to stay, to keep that vehicle under control and it is the vehicle that is acting up. It isn’t your Next Level mind, can you understand that? Now these are the ways that you’re not doing your task, if you cannot do it. There are some of you in the class who can do it, and we want the ones who really want to do it to take these tasks and do it, so we can get out of here.
The Next Level, I’m sure, gets very tired of hearing me say please can’t we get out of here? Can’t we bring this task to a close? And in my ignorance I’ve asked that, and the Next Level is thinking, (TI laughing), well sure you can go anytime, as soon as your task is completed. We’re waiting on you, so to speak. So if you want to get out of here, if you’re tired of doing this task in the right way then do something about it. Get busy, do the task, make up your mind you’re going to do it, and stop fudging! Stop playing around, this is no game!
You’re in the big time right now, bigger than anything, and it is a game that has to happen! I mean a task that has to happen and you shouldn’t want to give it up. Not after all this time. Don’t make us take it away from you. We don’t want to take it away from you, but you cannot sit in here and expect it to happen with no effort from you! It’s as simple as that. Get some fight in you! Be determined and say I’m going to show the Next Level I can do it! I’m going to stop doing crazy things that this vehicle wants to do! And do it, even the best can improve. I mean from little bitty things on up to the mountainous things.
DO:  Sometimes the, we know that when you’re listening to us, that you want to have that fight, and we know that when you have enough Next Level Mind in, we know that you can see the little things that you’re dealing with as just filth. I mean just really stupid, like insignificant. In fact you can’t, you wonder why it can be so important to you to do it that you, that how can you get so far from your Next Level consciousness to give into those little things, and to yield to those things when they certainly aren’t worth what the consequence is of continuing to yield to them.
You know when a human parent performs the task of teaching, and when they really have tried to teach the very best of their ability to their off-springs, and they carry that teaching until they feel like they have given them what they had to teach them, but after they have given them that there comes a limit of how much they will permit those off-springs to stay in their house and not abide by the rules, and it’s not that they don’t love those off-spring, and it’s not that they wouldn’t suffer horribly to have to say “I’m sorry but you’re of age now and if you are going to live in my house you have to live by the rules.” And that’s the way it is in the Next Level. That’s the way it is, right here, in the Next Level.
You’re of the Next Level. We’re of the Next Level. We’re Older Members to you, you are like off-spring, in a sense to us because you are Younger Members and we are like parents to you in a sense, in a parallel, and we feel like we have taught you these things and they aren’t that impossible to do, that we have tolerated your slowness to do them to beyond needing to continue to tolerate it. Now for your sake needing to continue it, it’s not for our sake. It’s not like, we can’t stand those things, its true we can’t stand them but it’s not- the point is that the household as a unit has growth to do, has movement to do, has to get on with greater development to still be piddling with some of the things that we’re piddling with, in our school that are holding us back.
Now if you use this meeting as an excuse for copping out on your task, you are really going to experience embarrassment and shame when you get back to the Next Level. If you use the information we have given you tonight as an excuse to cop-out. Now what I mean by that is if you say well I can see that they are talking about me, and I know that I’ll make that committal but I know that, you know I’ll probably still continue to do these things and therefore if the house doesn’t have room for me then I guess I’ll, before I get asked to leave I’ll leave because I don’t want to get asked to leave.
In case the Next Level should give such instruction. If you can listen to kind of thoughts like that, there’s an indication right there of why you’re still dealing with those things, and it’s not too late to stop listening to thoughts like that! Some of you still let oceans of negative possibilities come into your head before you decide oh my goodness that must be a negative. I’ll stop listening to that, when it could have been a little cut on your finger instead of a hole in your side that you have to mend because you have permitted so much negativity to come into your head. Not even recognizing it was negative until you were going around with your chin dragging on the ground because it depressed you so after having listened to all those negative thoughts!
Your sensitivity has to improve. Now when your sensitivity improves, it’s just like, let’s take consuming for example. If I’m consuming more than my vehicle really needs, then as it enters my mouth, something, the computer’s going off and saying goodness this doesn’t even taste good anymore. I’m not going to accept it, on just the shoveling-in thing. I have recognized that this single bite is probably a bite past, or maybe two bites past what the vehicle needed and dern it, it took me two bites to recognize that the vehicle didn’t need it. Now that, and so you stop at that point, now that can apply to everything. That can apply to when your vibrations are beginning to lower. In any other area, when you feel that anxiety coming on or you feel the vehicles tendency to want to lash-out at someone or to give-in to a weakness, you can, if your sensitivity is there, you will feel it before it gets anywhere close to coming in enough to get into! And in other words you shouldn’t wake up after the fact, like a drunk does, and say I was so drunk I didn’t know what I was doing, because to us in a sense, you have to be drunk to have permitted yourself to go through the act and then regret it. In other words you had to be unconscious, you had to permit a degree of unconsciousness because you still want to cling to these little ole’ sensory things. Almost as if you’re, “well I’m not, it’s like I’m not going to be down here very long and I can’t, these things aren’t going to be available to me when I get back in the Next Level so I, maybe just one more little taste of that degree of sensing those things.” No matter what the area is.
Now that’s not what goes through your head. We’re not saying that’s what goes through your head, but it’s as if that’s what you’re feeling because we’re holding the Next Level, we’re holding your Next Level Mind responsible for what your vehicle desires. We’re holding it thoroughly responsible for what your vehicle desires. We’re asking you to keep enough Next Level consciousness, and to recognize the symptoms of weakness before you stumble, and we don’t feel that that’s asking too much of you too soon.
We, believe it or not, when we have proven solid, in this, class may be over! If the class isn’t over, then there might be something that we really can enjoy doing as the next move before class is over. It doesn’t really matter, but we’re at a standstill, still clinging to these little annoying weaknesses that pull us down. Each time, don’t forget, each time one of you let’s those things occur because of the lack of your sensitivity, and you give into it and actually let it happen, no matter what it is – it cannot happen without affecting the others in your craft, and without directly affecting your teachers, and therefore – it’s not that we’re saying we don’t like it, even though we don’t. We’re saying that since it does affect us, and affect you, and affect your classmates. For the period of it affecting them we are all pulled back momentarily, are held from moving forward because we have to then put a Band-Aid on it and recover from it, and then move ahead.
So, I really feel and I know that TI does too, that if you would, in your bunks, spend more time or in your thoughts when you are at your out-of-craft task, or when you are riding in a vehicle, or when you’re sitting here, if you have a magazine in your hand your thoughts should still be, you should learn to always be having this kind of thought going on in your head: “I am not going to find myself in dark corners. I am not going to let myself get to spots where I am vulnerable.” I want to be able to have my spine strong and tall, knowing and proving my committal to Older Members that I can sustain what I said I felt for them, because I know that if I said it and yet my actions, in between the times I say it, don’t prove it because I do things against their teaching, then I am not truthful. I am just wishful, instead of actually being truthful.
TI:  An incident happened, well about a week ago, with one of the classmates and the individual felt like, which the individual flunked a test in the process of talking to me, and it literally made that individual sick, and we knew it made them sick, and it took that individual a while to recover because they felt like they had let Links down. Now to me that individual meant her committal.
DO:  Now do you know what TI is saying?
TI is saying that the moment the individual recognized what had occurred, and is not something that had occurred with any frequency. Do you follow what we’re saying? But the moment the individual realized what had actually occurred, it made them sick at their stomach, and they couldn’t say to the Older Member enough: “I can’t believe this happened! And it’s not going to happen.” We could feel the depth of feeling there and knew that was love for Next Level ways and Older Members. Now if that comes easy, that if those words come easy, and they have no depth, and the act is repetitious then it has no significance. You follow what we’re saying?
Every one of you, are capable of that kind of depth. Now you will not be capable of that kind of depth if you continue to permit repetitious giving in of things. As long as you, because it doesn’t grow, it’s like when that moment of temptation comes to you it’s what happens in you that resists at the most tempting moment, that’s what gives you depth, and if the resistance isn’t there, the depth does not develop!
TI:  Understand? Now none of you are in a condition, or position right now, where you cannot do your task. There’s not a single individual sitting here who cannot do their task, but we don’t know how long that will last. In other words it depends upon you, on how well you want to do your task. You’re getting payment for doing your task. The Next Level’s giving you a new body, a new chance to enter their world, and why goof up on it! Why throw it away? This is what you have been working for all, from the very beginning when you were just a speck of dirt. If that’s the way it happened.
(TI laughs)
But the point I’m getting at is don’t throw it away because of some dumb vehicle!
DO:  Or we’re just not being awake when the vehicle wanted to get away with it.
TI:  Because the vehicle is going to, not even the – what the vehicle is feeling isn’t even going to exist after you get into your next vehicle! (DO laughs)
DO:  Yeah, not even going to be a place for it.
TI:  So why listen to it!
DO:  Not even going to be a place for it. That’s a good point. If you could get that in your head well enough you would, it would give you some better ammunition.
You know, I can feel the force and the potency of what we are giving you tonight, and we’re pleading with you not to just throw it away. For your sakes, we’re pleading with you, to just not throw it away.
TI:  You know the Next Level really played a trick on you a couple of weeks ago, and they played it on us also when they told us that the ray had left, they turned it off.
DO:  Certainly feel it now.
TI:  But the ray was not turned off, but I’m sure the psychological thing of it all was. I mean it was strictly a psychological game, I can see it now that we said that because then, if your committal had been sincere, you would have continued to feel that love that you were feeling whether the ray was there or not. So we told you the ray had been turned off because that’s what they told us to say to you, and we felt like that was right.
DO:  But we also said that you can generate it.
TI:  That’s right.
DO:  I wish that you could catch, I wish the contagion of that generation was as good as your colds. I wish that because believe it or not it can be contagious. In other words it would almost isolate ones who refuse to sustain it. If the ones who sustained it sustained it so strongly that the others really felt out of place, and they would say now wait a minute, something is wrong here! And just because I feel out of place does that mean I’m going to go out of place or am I going to get in-step? And you should be able to know how good it feels when you begin to build some of that depth. It feels good, it isn’t easy, the task isn’t easy but it’s really rewarding.
Nobody mislead you when you came to think it was easy. In other words they didn’t cheat on you there – say that you were going for a joyride that turned out to be a hard task. I think you even knew, I think it was even, I know it was in the consciousness of your Next Level Mind. You certainly knew how difficult the task, if you had not known you would not have stayed when the first difficulty arose, much less the second, and the third, and the fourth one. Now what about this one? Because this one’s where we are and this is the most difficult of all.
TI:  This is going to do your task, and it’s going to accomplish what needs to be accomplished for your Next Level bodies. So don’t throw it away, it’s important. It can’t be taken lightly because it’s very very serious, and we hope that we never have to take a task away from somebody, not at this time. You have any questions about this? [Do you all want to do it]?
Students: Yes.
TI:  Some of you didn’t answer what does that mean? (DO and students laughing)
DO:  Okay.
TI:  [What] I would start doing, if you’d like a little tip, I’d get back into that ray. I’d get back and grab hold of it.
DO:  And take it with you into the shadows. (DO laughs)
TI:  That’s right hang onto it, and know that that ray is right there for you and conquer this crazy vehicle, these crazy vehicles. All the little dark corners and be prepared for every obstacle that comes your way. I know the colds have weakened some of you, which they should not have done. It’s no excuse to be weak because you’ve had a cold. You just don’t, because all of those things that come your way, in that way are just tests, to see how you can handle it. So get strong, get hold of the ray, and do your task. That’s all we can say.
(DO) (Inaudible)
TI:  Listen to this tape a lot.
(Class laughs)

TI and DO – #95 – Listing Our Task – 02-14-1984 (audio transcription)

April 29, 2019
Tape Log entry: 095 – 02/14/84 – Listing our task. DSTody’s task-STM’s task-slaves of credit. Utilities-BRNody’s task. 45 min.
TI and DO audio transcription of meeting to a small group of students at “retreat” in townhouses (one for students and one for Links) east of downtown Dallas, TX in close view of the skyline.  Retreat groups brought the tapes back to the main “craft” so the rest of the students could listen to it.
(Transcribed by NX VX and edited by Sawyer (Swy) – Swyody)
DO: One of the things that we think is interesting about this new understanding is that you get to see so much identifiable, we get to see clearly what assignment you had. In other words you get to see that the next level, we thought maybe for a while that you had picked those vehicles for what you needed, ok? And now we see that a little differently. That not only, sure you needed the strength and effort that it took to make those vehicles do what, the task that they were to do, but in a sense you were assigned tasks just like one of your assigned such and such tasks in the craft or certain out-of-craft tasks and so forth you were assigned tasks to put the energy in that – in the specific areas of the problems of the vehicle that you were given.
In other words I don’t feel any longer that you picked them out as much as I feel like they were picked for you, and I want TI to stop me if she disagrees with it. She may have shed more light on it, but you’ve, it seems to me that if you picked them out it was because you were told to pick out ones that had these characteristics, but I don’t know if you would be able to do that. Seems awfully likely to me that the Next Level participated pretty strongly in picking out the tools for you according to what they needed.
Now it’s interesting to see because it’s so identifiable now what tasks are now, for example look at Dstody’s tasks. Can you see what Dstody’s? Or what now Dstody has several tasks with his vehicle but let’s take, we’ll just use his, one of his tasks as an example. Dstody has known ever since he’s been in the classroom that his vehicle had difficulty getting beyond thinking in terms of prejudice. Seeing others as seeing him in a lower way because he was black, and to me Dstody’s task, if he does it well, is to think and act in terms of never seeing color.
See we’re very opposed to, just because it’s Next Level way, we are very opposed to organizations that identify themselves as things that, that what should be done is their identification erased. Like for example we noted something on the news about a gay organization at SMU was trying to get permission to, I think it was SMU, to have say in politics of university and it was turned down. Well we feel that if you’re going to have a gay organization then you got to have a straight organization. You got to have a heterosexual organization.
You see what we’re saying? That doesn’t make any sense. In other words nobody should want to identify themselves in a way that they’re trying to eliminate being identified. You see what we’re saying? Because theoretically what the gays should be wanting is for you to not see him as a gay. Anymore than a heterosexual wants you to see him, he wants you to see him as a person right?
Now same thing a black organization shouldn’t exist because that increases black consciousness. They think what they’re doing is promoting elements of freedom for blacks and they’re doing just the opposite. They are increasing black consciousness, and Dstody’s task should be, if he can get his vehicle to have zero awareness of his color, and never see anyone’s actions towards him as related to color, then he will have done a very good job in one area of his assignment. Can you follow that?
Look at Stmody’s, part of the task that Stmody was given with the vehicle that he chose, and the current problems out there in the world of people who have over-eating difficulties.  Addictions to over-eating and really problems, serious problems.  So Stmody has an excellent identifiable task of sending out the organized objective way of controlling consuming, and changing the programming of his genes. As he changes the programming of his genes, those genes will communicate with all those genes out there who have that same problem. They all have telephone lines, and every one of you as you look at the things you can identify. Sometimes I think TI and I should give you the assignment of writing us a little note -writing us a little list of the tasks that you were given that you can identify by the vehicle that you have.  In other words it’s like if I give you a task to do something in carpentry work, and it’s going to require a hammer, screw-driver, pliers, nails, then those are the things you need for that task.
Now for your task it might have been anger, sensuality, black, you know but you could, you should be able to identify them as a task, and know that as you get those genes programmed, clearly when you counter the programming of those genes, repetitiously counter the programming of those genes, before you permit them to play out their tapes, because each time you let a tape play and you counter it, you’ve broken even, you haven’t made any head-way. Can you see that? If you let a tape play, and then re-program it, you’re no better off, then you were before the tape played. It’s when you recognize the fact that the tape wants to play, and you re-program that you’re up one. Can you follow that? When you catch it before the programming takes place. So I don’t know if TI agrees but it might be interesting for all of you to sit down and write a little list of the tools, of your task and the list would have the areas that you have recognized that your vehicle is primitive. The areas that you recognize that your vehicle is less than civilized, civilized being judged by perfect Next Level conduct. You want to add something to that?
TI: No.
DO: (laughs)
Well, should I shut it off? Do you have any questions?
Srfody: You want to make that list and send it too?
DO: I think so, keep a copy and send one to Links a little list of your tools, yeah it’s like that vehicle you have is your tool-box, and all the tools you have in it to use are the characteristics of that vehicle that are less than perfect Next Level conduct.
Swyody: I want to see how much, how intricate, like our task might be, and don’t want to get off on a tangent by thinking like, like I can see all the procedures you have given us. If we follow them one hundred percent then each one of those procedures sends something out. I was thinking, even brushing my teeth for instance, if you have tooth problems you brush your teeth twice a day.” Would that kind of thing go out to the humans?
DO: Can’t help it as long as you, that kind of thing does go out, but those are minor upgrading of civilization. The major upgrading are the changing of the problems. Now don’t forget these problems that we mentioned a minute ago like race consciousness or anger, these weaknesses of the vehicle, they’re really only because they are plants that are not developed, have not yet become healthy.
You know really there’s nothing morally wrong with any of those things because humans were taught that they were moral. They were given a moral concept, a moral consciousness in order to motivate them to correct certain things. Just like they were given a fear of certain things in order to motivate correction, but it’s the genetic things that you as an individual, or your vehicle as an individual, has, that is less than Next Level civilized. It’s those things that are primary efforts of your task.
The things that we do as a group and as a craft. All the procedures that we follow as we upgrade you know. They all [happen] out there. I don’t know if you ever spent any time looking back. Just in little ways, not in ways that are not good to look back, but I can see in the years that we were traveling around the country, and our class was forming and gathering, and we had no money. We certainly couldn’t think of buying a car. Our upgrading our living standard because we were at zero, for quite a while and the world was, that was happening to them.
Houses weren’t selling, nobody was buying cars they were all willing to drive junk-heaps up and down the street when before they wouldn’t of been caught dead in them, and everything that was happening, because of where our energy was directed, was for the most part, happening there also, and now you can see it changing, even in these insignificant ways you can see it changing as it’s changing for you. You can see their economy getting better, their ability to take care of themselves better and get a better car again and upgrade but they’re doing it more carefully, than they were doing it before.
Now there’s still some ailments that are very serious that we don’t  know exactly, what’s going to or how we can help them like the fact that humans in order to do those things become so completely slaves of credit, and they’ve got to learn not to do that, and why did they let this world of people out there get to be extremely rich – that are taking advantage of the fact that these people are all living on credit.
A lot of them couldn’t pay for the things that they are now indebted to pay for, if they didn’t have big insurance policies that would pay for them, upon their death.  In other words they’ve bought policies to cover paying for those things if they die, and a lot of them have more indebtedness than they could possibly ever pay out, and yet they go right on each day and go out and charge something more, and the world knows that they can’t pay those things out, but the whole structure has been built that way. Even with the national governments and their own indebted.
TI: Well what they really need to work on mostly, I know they need to get off this credit thing but they need to get utilities down. In other words it’s almost ridiculous the way they handle the utilities. Way back years ago utilities took just a small amount of your income, and now it takes, your utilities run almost as much as your house payment if not more, which is an awful lot.
DO: And this just isn’t utilities that we have to pay because so many people using them, the average persons utilities have proportionately gotten astronomical.
TI: We talked to a little old man the other day and I guess he was 67 isn’t it what he told us?”
DO: (agrees)
TI: And he owned a home, he just told us his life history, just all in a nutshell (TI & DO laughing) and he owned a home that he bought in 1947 and his payments never ran over 81 dollars a month or 57 or something
DO: Something
TI: And he said just recently after this severe cold-spell that they had that his gas bill was close to 500 dollars, 487 dollars. Now that’s almost ridiculous, if…
DO: And it’s a very, very small little house you know it’s…
TI: It has to be it’s just a small frame home…
DO: It was a little G.I. framed home, the kind that you could buy in the 1940’s which was a little bitty place.
TI: …and he said he doesn’t like things real warm, but he said he didn’t feel like they were extravagant, and yet it ran that much. And here he was 2 years past retirement and he’s still working, and what if he wasn’t working and was living on social security or whatever they lived on, how could he afford to pay that? Now it just doesn’t make sense that the utilities are as high as they are, water, gas, electricity, all of them are high, and in comparison now the water of course it isn’t as high – as except at south craft water pipe burst but, in general the water isn’t as high as the gas and electricity but that’s the next place that they need to work on, getting it corrected because…
DO: We feel that the taxes people pay, should almost like socialized medicine, that there should be a government method of taking care of utilities, subsidizing utilities. Just like there should be a government method of taking care of healthcare, and old-folks homes. Things of that sort, [that] we’re really behind in not doing that, because we still have taxes that go to buy the president’s wife’s wardrobe, you know that doesn’t. I don’t know if you understand what we are talking about but, the structure of what your taxes pay for is really, needs a lot of help and a lot of correction, and they should be paying for things that are absolute necessities where it’s just inhumane to have people who are not capable of producing any funds, to have them not able to pay their utilities.
That doesn’t – that is not fair. That is not right, and it’s just because in a society like this one, those who had money years ago and were able to go out and buy a great deal of property – then property is un-attainable, to most. Do you see what we are saying?
And therefore they can’t have anything that can turn into money. So they have to then learn shenanigans or new, well shenanigans is the best term I can think of, new ways to take advantage of the public and something that seems to be a new idea in order to make money, and if you are not programmed to care to do that kind of thing, to make money, then your livelihood is very, very inhibited, and it’s not – the motivation is misplaced.
Now these are significantly, are relatively insignificant things. The significant things, it’s just like Swyody said about the toothbrush and then the things, these things we’re just now mentioning are not nearly as important as changing over, getting rid of the weaknesses and the unhealthy conditions of the vehicles that would cause them to act in such primitive ways, but at the same time they need to upgrade some of these social conducts.
TI: I was just going to add to that utility thing that. At night I don’t know if you all can see it but there’s a building where the lights are on, on the outside just about all night, and it’s a tall building.
DO: You could glance down this little street tonight after it’s dark. And look toward town at the number of the buildings that are totally lit up all night long.
TI: And let’s say their light bill runs about 20,000 dollars a month, which we have heard where some of them do, and just think what that building has to do in order to pay that light bill? You know like let’s say it’s an insurance company or something. It’s got to make enough money to pay that light bill, every month right? So it has to up its price, whatever it is, in order to make the payments and, in other words, it’s almost like a vicious cycle because everybody has to up their price in order to take care of their expenses.
Food, grocery stores I’m sure have to pay a tremendous amount of electricity to keep their store cool and, or warm or their electric lights on, freezer frozen, and it has to show up in the amount of money that they have to charge you all, you know in order to make their expenses. What we’re getting at – we’re trying to put the idea into the ether so that they will start seeing how ridiculous it is to have privately owed utilities. Now the telephone have managed to keep their  bills, their charges pretty low, but the gas and the lights have not. They keep changing the meters so upping the cost to the kilowatts until it’s just out of site or something.
DO: And we feel they’re capable of tapping the knowledge from the Next Level to move to energy sources that would change that altogether, but it also, probably why that isn’t happening now, is because they need to make the adjustment in different ways. They’re spending the money in the wrong ways, and they need to be forced to reduce that excessive spending before they’re given new ways of doing it.
I want to go back to what we said a moment ago about you writing a little list, of the tools that you have. How you word, each sentence on that little list is going to show us how you’re thinking about, in terms of the programming of that weakness or that problem with your vehicle. In other words the way you word that list is going to show us the kind of programming you’re doing in that area and will show us how successful, how strong, your programming is. Do you understand what we’re saying? So be aware of how you word it, be very aware of how you word it, and then, if you think it has helped you word it in a way that would improve your constant re-programming effort, then be aware of that. Am I making sense? Like some of you see your problems in the wrong way and therefore if we asked you to write it down you would write it down a way, that really wouldn’t give you maximum benefit as a re-programming selection. So if you see the weaknesses of the vehicle, the needs of the vehicle in the most objective, most right way, you’ll get maximum benefit from the program. You follow that?
Ollody: And in my understanding that when we turn in the list, it would show what the problem area is and what the correction would be, in other words what we’re trying to correct it with?
DO: Well how about this, let’s make it, each one of your lists, you give us a sentence telling what, in a nutshell, what it is that you’re – I’ll take Dstody for example, and the race thing we were talking about and one of the tools he has is the tool of removing color consciousness, eliminating color consciousness. Now see if he is programming that, and that level, every time that thought of color enters his mind, he would get maximum program benefit, but if he’s programming it at the level of, I’m tired of having to fight off the fact that you’re seeing me as a black and you’re prejudice against blacks, and then he turns around and tells his vehicle, no I’m not going to accept that black programming. You see he’s, that’s a very low-level of treatment. That’s a very primitive level of treatment, or elementary level of treatment, but every time that any thought try to come in his mind, relative to race or color, he would immediately say sorry I have no color consciousness, you can’t stimulate it in me. It isn’t there, doesn’t exist. You don’t see me that way, I don’t see you that way, I refuse to accept it.
Now his sentence is going to show what he would program each time with his tool, and in a brief statement, what you would program. Now look at the programming, the excellent programming list that Brnody has, in relationship to the task of assisting people who have the difficulties that her vehicle presents.
(Swy: Brnody had osteoporosis so by then was mostly in a wheel chair)
Now is she going to take it at that same level and say, oh nobody knows really how badly I hurt and how hard it is for me to get around, and then say to the vehicle, oh vehicle I’m just not going to accept that even though I know it’s true, (DO laughs) – you see that kind of programming isn’t, is a very elementary level of programming.
So what you want to do is, you might want to make your list several times, and then see if you can come up with a way of stating each tool in the highest way you can state it, and that statement is the program you’re going to send out each time that weakness is stimulated. Or each time that weakness is emitted, and then give us your little list, ok? And you keep a list ok? Wanna do that?
Srfody: A little bit on the side note, let’s say there’s something that you feel, like an aspect of working with your vehicle but you’ve been able to feel like it’s in control or it works with or had some success in it or something, and how… Let’s say how does that, can use characteristics that might be ok but you aren’t, like some characteristics you have to work against more but other characteristics are the ones that kind of helped you out because you know that you are not that bad in one area. How does that, how is that related to helping others with our task? How does that fit in?
DO: I don’t think you, it doesn’t, because what you’re concerned with is, what you are concerned with are the weak, undeveloped characteristics. This is not the way, like in a segment you would tap the stronger characteristics to assist you in working against the weaker ones. This wouldn’t come up that way, and so a lot of the weaknesses are merely aren’t as identifiable as others and the good exercise that you’re going to have is can you discover? Do you really know what should be on your list? Do you really know what your tools are? The purpose of your job, do you know the purpose of your job? All the little things on the job, because frequently we find that individuals can go a long time and not even recognize that that’s an area that they need to put effort into, because maybe it isn’t as obvious as something like Dstody’s or Stmody’s or Brnody’s – not that that’s the only thing that Brnody or Stmody and Dstody have on their list either.
(TI asks DO something quietly)
DO: Sure, TI’s been discussing how your, if you keep your mind on your task, then you don’t allow yourself to slip into a state where your vehicle becomes animate and then begins to respond in such a way that you lose sight of where your higher vibrations should be, and she reminded us that if you kept that 12 minute check going, if you were. You know I feel, if I go a period of time longer than 12 minutes without thinking about is there anything I can do to do my task better, if I go longer than that, I feel lost in time. Now I want you to understand what I mean when I say lost in time. I feel like that time is going to stand still for me, and I am making no progress, I am not. In other words it’s like, because I don’t know how you feel, I want to do my task and do it well and get it over with as quickly as I can, and get on to the next task. I don’t like extended periods of task. I don’t like to do, and I know that TI doesn’t, I can’t stand an extended task. I’ve got one but (TI and DO laughing) it doesn’t, I don’t mean it disrespectfully.
TI: We don’t like to extend it any longer than it has to be. (TI laughs)
DO: But I don’t want to extend it a moment further than I have to extend it, and therefore, like I can’t stand to see somebody approach a task, a human approach a task, and say well this at least got, I can take the morning up. I’ll at least be able to get rid of the morning by doing this task, and it’s a task that can be done in 30 minutes, and they’ll take an hour or two or three to do it because they have nothing else to do. To us if it can be done in 30 minutes then it should be done in 30 minutes. It should be done as quickly as you can do it without being careless.
Now with that concept in mind, you want to do every task as quickly as it can be done well. Then anytime you’re not doing your task, you’re wasting time. In other words you’re making zero progress. Now that you see that your task is working on the weaknesses of those vehicles, anytime you slip into a frame of mind, when you are not where you should be in order to be working on your task with those vehicles. In other words any the time the vehicle is in control, instead of the mind operating the tool, then you have thrown all that time away. You are extending your task. You are not only doing a poor job of your assignment, you’re extending your task, you’re hanging yourself in your own agony because all of you want the task to end, and get into another one. I can’t see how you would find any pleasure in extending it. Do you find any pleasure in extending it? Goodness I don’t. Therefore the point we’re making is if you are, if it is constantly hammering on your mind, what more can I do at this moment? Now what more means, with the task I have now, what is the task you have? The areas of the weaknesses of your vehicles, and procedures and things like that so anytime you slip in…
I’m going to stop in the middle of that sentence and back-off to something I said a moment ago about any time your vehicle is animate. In other words, anytime your vehicle is a living thing, then the mind can’t use it. I want to keep my vehicle in-animate  and my mind, the only thing that’s animate.
DO you understand that? Now anytime my vehicle is animate, and is acting like a human, vibrating on any of the characteristics of the, that other humans with like-vehicles would act on. Any time this vehicle would act according to its genetic structure, then it is animate and I have left the tool aside some place and then taken a nap, but if I keep my tools in my hands all the time and, in other words, it’s like when one problem surfaces then I pick up the hammer, when another problem is there I pick up the pliers. Now anytime, and you’re so on guard that you want to know what tool do I need? And you know that by any of the ways that the vehicle is trying to act humanly. Then you know exactly what tool to pick up, but if you start letting that vehicle get away with that human response, the mind has taken a recess, and is letting the tool itself become an animate object acting no different from any other genetic living creature. You see what we’re saying? At that moment you are turning into the world, because the world is what vibrates on that genetic level.
Anytime you let the vehicle act like a human you’re turning into the world, and not the Next Level. I mean you’re literally taking the tuner on your radio, and tuning into the vibrations of the world. When you give into because it’s sending out those vibrations genetically, constantly, and you can find them if you want to any second, 24 hours a day. You can find those signals if you want to tune in your receiver on those vibrations but you’ve got to keep yours at a, really no-signal. You got to keep your receiver on receiving nothing, only sending. You want to be only transmitters, the only thing that, once it begins to receive a signal, or once you begin to receive a signal, from the genetic structure, your vehicle, from the world or from time-capsule release of its own genes, that is when you become a transmitter and refuse to be a receiver. Can you follow that analogy?
TI: Once you become more of a transmitter and less receiver, the faster we can move, which we…
DO: If you’re a transmitter you can’t lose control, you might have all kinds of bombardment, but you will have all that bombardment under control. If you maintain the position of a transmitter you will have everything you have to deal with under control. That doesn’t mean you won’t have a lot to deal with. It just means you have it under control and that’s all that counts. You don’t any longer wish that you didn’t have it to deal with, that’s like saying Next Level I wish you’d take my task away, I really don’t want to do it. I really don’t want this opportunity to grow and know this information to increase my capacity in that department, in the Next Level. You see what I am saying?
Ollody: If something was a major problem a couple years ago, and I know that it’s still there, it’s not something I can just let my guard down about but it’s something I feel I have gotten it under enough control that it’s not a major problem anymore. Would I list that? What I’m saying to you?
DO: I think so because it still has been a major problem of the genetic structure of your vehicle. I would never even be so brave as you have been just now.
Ollody: What?
DO: In your statement just now.
Ollody: Oh I understand. (TI & DO, and class laughs).
DO: Yeah because I don’t consider any difficulty that I have had in controlling this vehicle, I don’t consider any of those areas dormant, even though I may not have – I might have been successful in keeping them at bay for extended periods of time, and they may have not even reared their face to give me any significant attention, but there’s not one single one of them that I would trust, would leave me alone til’ tomorrow. Even those that might have left me alone a year or two. Just knock on wood (hear 3 knocks on table) that they might have done that. Do you see what I’m saying? Go ahead.
Ollody: Well they’ve done it before and (TI & DO laughing) I’m aware of what I’m talking about, that’s what I meant when I wouldn’t let my guard down.
DO: Yes, yes in other words we’re not going to misinterpret your list as to mean that…
TI: That’s what you’re doing
DO: … you are currently, necessarily, involved deeply in those areas but, and you don’t list it in that way, but you’re listing the programming that you would transmit each time a genetic problem of your own vehicle would want to emit a transmission.
Swyody: (unintelligible)
TI: should we turn the tape off [over]?
DO: If you don’t mind. (DO laughing)
DO: We talked a minute about… (Loud Jet soaring overhead) I don’t know where to start, but let’s say that, oh them, those planes are driving us crazy aren’t they? They keep penetrating our filter (DO and class laughs).
TI: We’re sitting on the runway I guess. ( TI laughing)
DO: Oh lord (continuous laughter) and the windows are all open in retreat. We talked about how you don’t need to know whether or not the things that you might be bombarded with are from the source of your own genes or whether they are from the source of the world. If you are under control and your vibration is exactly where it should be, and your conduct is where it should be, and you’re not being disturbed by the bombardment, you are not letting it affect you in any way – it’s not interrupting, interfering with anything, it’s just coming your way, and you’re applying the programming to refute it or to upgrade it to improve it, to change it – then it is probably programming of the world, that is coming at you. But once it changes your vibration, if you let that programming change your own vibration, then you become out of control. You can’t send a good, clear, appropriate program to change it or refute it.
Now also if you’re getting bombardment and you’re out of control, it’s likely your own genes. Whether they were stimulated from something from out there, or from something in your own history, genetic history, is unimportant, it doesn’t matter. Do you see what we’re saying? But if you are out of control, then your own genes in those areas are being stimulated, and what you want to do is keep those genes in your own vehicle, under perfect control so that any time you receive bombardment in the areas of weaknesses of your vehicle, it does not change you in any way. Your countenance, your conduct, your effectiveness, you are merely, the moment you recognize that something is headed your way then you immediately apply the program to change it and continue to apply the program to change it and go on about doing what you’re doing, at the same time, and then you are effectively doing your task that you were sent to do. If you let that bombardment change your vibration, you lose control. It interferes with what you’re doing and you are not doing your task. You follow that? Because your task is sending the appropriate re-programming and not letting it, which you can’t do if you’re affected, right? Is that clear? Is that clear?
TI: Quick.
(end of tape)

TI and DO Audio Transcript 005 – Program for Perfect Health by Meditation to Eliminate Stress

April 13, 2019
Tape Log entry: 005 07/20/82 Guilt-Conflict-Stress =vehicle breakdown. Program for health-eliminate stress. 15min.
(Rkkody wrote in the Tape Log that The Classroom designed the Tape Log)
(005A-0-1.RM – Originally transcribed by New Believer in TI and DO – Nisha).
(Rkkody digitized the original audio tape into .RM files (some have the .OGG formatted files that New Believer in Ti and Do, Peter improved the sound of, from the .RM files).
(Edited on 4-13-2019 by Sawyer (Swy) – Classroom name: Swyody – for expediency I didn’t always re-listen to the tapes, so just corrected the obvious parts that didn’t change anything, except where noted by additional (? and/or comments) that sometimes would warrant re-listening to them.)
(Sawyer did re-listen to this tape and made some minor corrections)
DO (talking in a very slow soft voice): Greetings to you from Ti and Do. We respect each of you, for you are members of the Next Level. We have some information that we want to try make clear. I think probably for the first time in this incarnation We are fairly thoroughly understanding of the vehicles “breakdown” and “healing” process, and what causes disease and problems with the vehicle and also how these problems can be overcome.
I’m going to start off by saying, the major cause of vehicular breakdown is stress and stress from conflict. Lets say that as a child you decided to– or lets say that one example of conflict could be guilt carried over from childhood.
For example, lung cancer or difficulties with the lungs, which we blame tobacco for is rightfully blamed on a deep-seeded guilt lets say an individual might have for acting out and smoking a cigarette behind a barn or somewhere when he knew that his parents were opposed to it, but the guilt stayed there and set up the circumstance so that the tobacco could really do its number on causing destructive cells to begin to work and accumulate. Now, let’s say tobacco has been stopped some years later doesn’t necessarily mean that deep seeded guilt had not been surfaced and eradicated. Now, this is just an example, I’ll give you a couple of examples of things that require that you be pretty above responding as humans:
Let’s say that a female in her adolescence was very self conscious about the size of her breasts. Either they were too big and she was self conscious about them or they weren’t as big as she wanted them to be when she was very much into that level of thinking, that being conflict there with the vehicle not being what the person wanted it to be, could cause a deep seeded destructive tendency in the cells of that area of the body. Which is of course cause for many cases of beast cancer or difficulties with malignant or non-malignant growths or abnormalities caused in that area of the body.
Let’s say the instance to that of early sex. While something that you wanted to do, but there was also that fear and a guilt, a deep seeded guilt because you might have felt that you were doing it before you should be doing it and it was let’s say you were too young if you snuck around to do it and this caused such things as prostate or vaginal or testicle or cancers or growths, things that occurred because of a deep seeded conflict, mental conflict.
Let’s say that someone wanted to, wanted to not see something and the conflict there could cause difficulties with the eyes.
We want you to think really long and hard on how this natural process works when causing breakdowns in the vehicle because of your not liking certain aspects of the vehicle.
Now this can apply to since you’ve been on this endeavor if trying to become a Member of the Next Level. You also have maybe slipped into guilt or shame regarding certain areas of your body or lets say you feel that your vehicle still wants to respond in a sensuous way and rather than translating that in a higher way, you have guilt and conflict toward those parts of your vehicle.
You should have frown enough by now to look at the reproductive parts of the vehicle in a much higher way than sex. In other words those reproductive organs can assist your body by abstinence in using those organs in a higher way but you still, well if you have healthy reproductive organs those organs can produce a vitality throughout your body that can even assist you and assist in your power, your strength to overcome the poisons or disease or conflict, of difficulty with your body.
So, as you meditate think carefully that your body is perfect, not perfect in a way a human cares to see because you don’t care anymore but your body is perfect, it’s whole, there’s nothing wrong with it. It doesn’t have anything about it that you dislike, it’s a perfect creation of the Next Level and all of its systems you want to be perfect and to function perfectly even though they will be functioning differently than they functioned when you were functioning as a human.
So in your mediation as you think of your vehicle as perfect and from one end to the other realize that it is exactly as it should be and go to every part of the vehicle that might even possibly have any ailment, pain or discomfort where there might have been any deep seeded guilt or self consciousness or shame or any type of conflict say to, direct your thought to that part of the body and say: “Healthy cells–“, in my, let’s say I have difficulty in my abdomen, then I’m going to say: “Healthy cells in my abdomen, you are going to be strong and overpower any unhealthy cells, you’re healthy, white, strong, large cells that are going to just eat up and eradicate any destructive or diseased cells in that area.”
Do this many times a day, even as you go about your work, you don’t have to be in a meditative position to practice this, even though practicing it thoroughly while you are in a meditative posture can certainly be more concentrated assistance, but even as you go about your chores and you become aware of those parts of your body that might have shown some symptoms of difficulty then immediately let your thoughts very strongly go to that area and tell the strong, white, large healthy cells and all the energy in your body to direct for that moment, that healing strength, that white light, that healthy energy to those cells and overcome any weak cells that are there or any diseased cells.
Think on this until you can really understand how the process of decay has worked or disease has worked and if you understand it thoroughly then you can understand that the same is true of the reverse that now you must apply the same amount of effort toward healing those areas as you did effort applied in guilt or shame or self consciousness. And when that effort has equalized those parts of your vehicle that have tried to breakdown on you will be perfect again.
Even, let’s say, that your surroundings caused you to be very hyper or very nervous or you just couldn’t tolerate the circumstance that you were in, say in childhood or adolescence or since then, or difficulties you’ve had in overcoming your vehicle. Now, zero in on those aspects of your vehicle, whether it’s your nervous system or particular parts of your vehicle, zero in on those and soothe them, calm them, flatter them if necessary. Make them know that there is nothing wrong. The cellular structure of those nerves or of those parts of your body they are perfect and if they are not perfect, then they are quickly going to become perfect with the application of your energy directed towards them and in healing them.
This is basically the principle employed through the ages by Jesus, by any who knew the actual workings of the physical mechanism and knew how to translate the energies into higher applications instead of translating them in ways that humans might have translated them.
Thank you.

Pineapple Street Heavens Gate Episode 6 x-member claims DO becomes Psychotic

December 17, 2017

Here is Sawyer’s response to the Pineapple Street Media’s podcast series Heaven’s Gate – episode 6 – The Choice – featuring x-Heaven’s Gate cult member – Frank (Andody) who joined together with Erika (Chkody) who joined from the same Waldport, Oregon meeting as did Sawyer (Swyody) in 1975.

Chkody was among the 38 who laid down their human vehicles lives with DO in March of 1997 and her statement is included in the podcast from the Student Exit Videos.

My response here is not to find fault with Frank in any way shape or form as he made his choice to join and made his 17+ year choices to stay in the cult and has since continued to make choices on how to think and talk publically about TI and DO and his experience. My aim is to present the side of a believer in Ti and Do, that I am and in that sense believe I can speak for Chkody (Erika) as well.

I consider all former classmates to be family because of our joint experience but when they say things that in my opinion misrepresent TI and DO, I feel committed to speak up about it, so the side for TI and DO is provided for others to judge for themselves what to believe about them. That voice for them is infrequently heard otherwise.

However, in life for all people, different people often come away with different responses to the same circumstances and especially when it comes to beliefs even within the same organization. I learned this many years ago pertaining to this Heaven’s Gate story, when I visited with Frank in Seattle, around 2005 and we had completely different takes of at least one event we both experienced in the classroom. Now I know there are a number, even many more.

Frank says, (regarding he and Ericka’s joining with TI and DO); “When first joining I was mixed about not being together anymore but didn’t want to miss the opportunity and [they would] take it one step at a time.” He says it “didn’t sink in that it would be the end of the relationship” (with Erika).

Erika said in the Exit tape she made, that at the Waldport meeting it was “instant recognition” (of Ti and Do and/or their information) for her.

I also experienced that instant recognition. It wasn’t like I had a deja vu experience, thinking I recognized TI and/or DO. For me it was a recognition that their information spoke to me as being true which felt so different from all the other spiritual minded quests I’d read about or experimented with up until then. I knew I had to go with them and knew it meant leaving all behind and giving it my 100% of time and energy. I knew that included breaking up with my partner, now known as Sarah (Srfody), one of the Heaven’s Gate Webmasters with Mark (Mrcody), whom I had lived with for five years before then. She was from the same home town on Long Island where we met and who I fell in love with and who I sought to build my life with that included moving to the British Columbia, Canada bush/mountain country to try to homestead.

When Sarah and I left the Waldport/Newport, OR area, about the third day after the meeting in Waldport with Ti and Do, which was the time frame recommended to “get our house in order,” not having any other circumstances to require more time, (as some others had with house ownership and children even), I recall Sarah for the first time in even years wanting to snuggle and perhaps have sex. This was unusual because I had become the sole instigator of that physical part of our relationship and just a month or two before that time Sarah had started up a relationship with another man named Hobbit that followed what might have been another, possibly with a Canadian man (Aldi) who came to visit us and who she went up to visit. (I only know for sure about her open fling with Hobbit, but what was clear is that she hadn’t been happy with me for quiet some time and how she hitchhiked up to Canada without me to pursue.)

I was heartbroken by those events that did not work out for her so she wanted to get back together with me which I agreed to, having recovered from her choices but I was not angry with her for. I’m not faulting her for wanting someone else, but to then want me in that physical way for the first time in a long time, by her instigation struck me then as very odd and for the first time in our 5 year relationship I turned her down.

My point in explaining this, is that it appeared to be an indicator that she may not have had the same kind of instant recognition I had and would explain why she had a number of episodes in the classroom that showed that and led to her wanting to leave when the opportunity presented itself with Mark’s choice to no longer abide by DO’s teaching lesson step that was referred to as “I could be wrong.” That lesson step was designed to reduce our dependence in our own human mind over the Mind from our Older Members – Ti and Do. That lesson step was kin to when TI told us all that, “you need to give us your will” in around 1978. And it seems to be exactly what Jesus taught when he said to be his disciple one needed to “deny yourself” and is what would be a primary part of a disciples prayer to their Heavenly Father that requested that “your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”.

I was not mixed about breaking up with Sarah, though I won’t say it wasn’t a little awkward when I did see her, but like Frank described, we two were also separated and when we traveled were assigned to different groups.

The Host of the show then says: “It was drilled into the followers that human emotions were not allowed in the Next Level” and something about how one could not be “in love” and get to the Next Level.

That’s a huge distortion to say, as human emotions were not banned. We had no procedure that said, Thou shall have no emotions. I’d bet most members laughed every day and it would have been inappropriate to laugh at another expense or behind the back of others like is frequent in the human kingdom.

We still experienced sadness at times, like when we individually slipped from our goals, but it’s true we were taught not to linger in that sadness and use it to stimulate having an even better handle on those goals. (One goal would be to remain celibate in both body and mind). We were taught to maintain a “pleasant countenance”, a part of controlling our vehicles vibration.

If someone was “down in the mouth”, it wasn’t like they would be reprimanded by anyone but it showed they were troubled about something so their partner or the Overseeers of a department they were in, might ask them about it or write to Ti and Do about it, as it could be a sign that they aren’t happy even being here if they couldn’t override it.

Another time for some sadness was when TI and DO pushed us to be more “thirsty” for next steps. There was never any yelling or raising of voices or threats of any kind, nor punishment, like happens all the time in the human kingdom to keep people in line, to keep their jobs, etc.

On a rare occasion we learned they were displeased with us. The times I’m thinking of just so happened to take place when we were living in Austin and DO delivered the news in one of those cases. Ti had instigated choral singing of Christmas carols, that she did not participate in, as she said she wanted us to learn to look to DO for direction. (DO never sang with us, more than a few notes to demonstrate how to sing a certain phrase). Mllody played piano. We sang for TI after we’d practiced some and some in the class designed new lyrics to the song, The Twelve Days of Christmas. We gave TI a little concert. A very short time later, DO held a meeting without TI present and said something about our lyrics disturbed TI. Those lyrics were “ten years a waiting…” (meant to imply waiting for the pickup). The students who wrote those lyrics that we practiced separately, I believe were drawing from knowing that TI and DO hating being here because the vibration had become so distorted. TI even thought parts of the plant kingdom showed that lower vibration. The example I can recall was how TI thought the oak trees she saw growing in Texas weren’t designed to grow all crooked and twisted up like they are. They wanted the task to be over, so they could go back to resume the life style and physical vehicles and positions they had before coming to earth to do this task.

TI considered being in the human kingdom like being in a snake pit and I didn’t see it that way, even a little until after I left and I realized that to us, it’s normal for there to be all kinds of sneakiness, deceit, back biting, back stabbing, profiteering to another detriment, manipulations, predatory behaviors, legalized robbery and murder, sold as collateral damage to anybody who is in the wrong place at the wrong time because their leaders stand in the way of certain agendas, Examples as of late are found in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, etc where people are killed or die because of.

But what DO helped us see was how He was with his Older Member and we were with our Older Member so we weren’t going to have the same longing to leave. We should have been happy to stay as long as it’s our task to stay. We were not really “waiting” to exit as we had our Overcoming tasks to do and needed to be here to finish it. TI didn’t need to learn the lessons we were having.

I realized, in a sense, since originally they said we’d be picked up in “months” and “not later than 5 years”, both of which didn’t come true, it was like pushing that into TI’s face to say we were waiting. By the way, TI had said one time that the reason the “demonstration” didn’t happen as they thought it would was because the students were not ready to leave then. That would explain how Revelation 11 regarding the Two Witnesses could be translated in several ways because of the varied time frames in the prophecy in between their being “subdued” and then “separating by dying themselves” (also having several interpretations that could have worked to demonstrate fulfillment).

There was also no prohibition from enjoying a food or a sunset or mountain view or the colors and aromas of flowers, etc, though Ti and Do taught that we would outgrow even those degrees of sensual stimulus.

But yes having emotion between students was taught to be suppressed and redirected to one aim, to foster that emotion with only our Heavenly Father, though TI, before she exited made it very specific that our commitment (love) was to be towards DO only. TI instigated this and it was the lesson step of making one’s “committal” to DO, which we did individually and privately in notes that would go directly to Ti and Do. They didn’t tell us what to say in our notes but we were required to express ourselves. If we couldn’t it was a sign that we weren’t in the right place being in that classroom.

As a matter of fact, I think it safe to say that everything Ti and Do taught, said and did had the potential of “testing” our commitment if we made one. That’s the nature of being a student in a cult – there are no tail feathers on the teachers – no degrees in Theology or affiliation with the rich and famous or to huge mega million dollar organizations that all tend to give us a sense of credibility, whether we see it or not.

So it’s true that one can not graduate into the Next Level when married (committed and “in love” with another human). Jesus taught this when he said:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection ((rising, Standing up again, graduation)) they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Marriage was the form of making that committal, TI said, was started by the Next Level, to bring some structure to whom one propagated with. It became known as adultery when people broke the various procedures that governed such commitments and relationships. Jesus said Moses gave in to his students to allow them to divorce. Moses and Jesus taught that the aim was for students to give all their heart, all their mind, all their soul and all their strength to God, but when a Representative from God’s kingdom wasn’t physically present in a human vehicle with us then the way we would show our love for God was to demonstrate it by loving our neighbors as ourselves. In other words we were to see all humans we lived among as our neighbors. It’s not a theoretical “love” and nor was it meant as a sexual love, but a friendly love.

So as long as one was abiding by the teachings of the Next Level in that regard as best they could, getting up whenever they fall short of that, they were still growing closer to becoming members of the Next Level. All the plants in the “garden” don’t grow at the same rate and have bursts of growth at the same times and to the same degrees. So the lesson steps, though everyone can apply them, are given in stages so no one has more on their plate than they can handle, that is if they look to the Next Level for help.

The Next Level determines which souls or spirits still have the capacity to advance closer to graduation and “saves” them for a future opportunity, though they turn up the heat for each of us to make our choices of whom to serve, like Jesus said between making our master, God (The One true kingdom of God in whatever terms, secular or religious) OR Mammon (human mammalian forms of treasure and wealth)

TI and DO said that the Next Level still loves Lucifer and that they have given him and his associates who fell many opportunities to get back on track, even though the more one goes against the Next Level’s present Representatives teachings the harder it gets to change, so that one subtly loses whatever degree of recognition they once had. Thus the lessons need to get harder for that soul to be stimulated to change.

Frank then talks about how: “my thoughts at times were filled with doubts and questioning everything…”, which he indicated was part of what compounded with the “suppression of feelings” that resulted in the development of a deeper voice and a stutter in his speech.

I do wonder where Frank got the understanding that DO’s mimic of his suddenly deeper voice was expressing a masculine voice. I don’t recall if DO spoke about it at that meeting but I doubt he did, though not saying it’s not possible. The way Frank says it in the broadcast was, “…he was conveying to me that I was expressing a masculine voice.” Whatever DO said or didn’t say, Frank said he felt “humiliated – ashamed for expressing my masculinity” and said he had a “deep seated anger of who is he to express how I should speak”.

I guess by that point it shows that just being a body in the classroom didn’t necessarily mean much when one’s mind was far apart, so in this way DO’s response of repeating a low sounding voice, that Frank sees as mimicking, and may be an accurate depiction became a test to get him “off the fence,” he had apparently been on, or he wouldn’t have built up a “deep seated anger” towards DO as he reported.

Why was Frank angry? I don’t know if he gave reasons why he was angry. In terms of his reporting his response to DO’s “mimic” of thinking, “who is he [DO] to express how he [Frank] should speak,” DO was the individual he chose to leave all behind to follow, at that point for over 10 years. As far as I could tell, Frank was as committed to Ti and Do’s process as anyone else but what was going on in his head or that he might have talked about with him partners and/or TI and DO was not known to me.

But at that point of the mimic, it seems Frank didn’t see DO as his teacher or he wouldn’t have had “deep seated anger” because he would have been keeping things surfaced.

I was given a number of personal lessons and in none of them was I embarrassed. All the students got lessons in group and personally. Had I been Frank’s partner then and say he starting talking in a much lower than usual voice, I probably would have felt obligated to mention it to him, bring it up to him to examine it, and perhaps I would have written a note to DO about it since it was my partner and partners were instructed to ask one another for their observations and help to see their ways that were not the ways taught to us from TI and DO.

There was no procedure on how to speak and what tone our voice would have but this was certainly not normal for Frank so it was in itself a “red flag” that something was wrong. Now to clarify, if a partner knew their partner had been working with DO on any behavior or way, the partner wouldn’t try to step in. I never said anything to Frank about his low voice and/or stutter and I doubt anyone else would have either as it was then between him and DO. At the time I didn’t even think about it at all really. It was strange but I didn’t have a judgement about it. That wasn’t my business – we were all taught to keep our eyes on our own behavior and ways, unless something came about that we had to pay attention to.

Frank says, “I was not allowed to be me… not safe to express who I am…” and that was true because who “me” was needed to shift from the old “me” to the new “me”, from the caterpillar “me” to the butterfly “me”. It was getting rid of a human form of individuality.

Ti and Do taught that no humans are really individuals because we don’t know how we become the product of the discarnate influences that attach to us. They taught that who we really are is the “chooser” of what to think, say and do, which decided which discarnates we accept and which we reject. And there is nothing wrong with that. It’s a beautiful design of the human kingdom but was never meant to be satisfying, hence why we go through stages of “seeking” what more there might be, though that may only surface in our conscious as dissatisfaction with who we are, what we are doing.

If by “suppression of feelings” Frank is referring to not being allowed to play out his feelings for Erika, yes that was part of the program. And yes I agree that according to Ti and Do, not changing our human feelings to feelings for TI and DO’s Mind, instructions, procedures, behaviors and ways in the Next Level Program for us, could have negative mental and/or physical consequences, as DO talked about in relationship to Terrie’s physical ailments, from the suffering in relationship to her dealing with her mother’s absence from her life, which DO indicated could have been largely subconscious because of her root system to TI, her vehicle’s mother.

Additional suppression of feelings we all had to impose upon ourselves to be in the program 100% was by blocking out the past and thus suppressing feelings for our human family, friends, career, goals, forms of entertainment, desires that even include doing what one wants to do when one wants to do it. Rkkody exemplified this last point. He left the class no less than three times and was able to stay in touch so returned each time until he laid down his life in 1998. It became known among class members in a light hearted way, since DO knew Rkkody both recognized his Older Member and I know, loved him, that he felt confined at times and just wanted to be able to “go out and get a pizza when he wanted to”. DO, I believe brought specific example at a meeting when Rkkody had returned.

But this suppression of the expression of human feelings for things that used to be in our lives, didn’t have to be a negative just like not giving into sensuality, though perhaps somewhat unhealthy to a human’s normal health, if it was purely voluntary and dealt with, as such feelings surfaced, wouldn’t become a negative in that program. For instance, when I joined I knew I was going to have to cease playing musical instruments. I was part of a 4 piece band who had gigs in and around Newport, Oregon. I left them and sold my instruments. (By the way I don’t recall TI or DO or any of their literature spelling that out. I just knew it. But on that subject, I used to have dreams that I was trying to play the flute and couldn’t get the notes out, like I didn’t have the wind. For the first month after joining I had a flute with me that I brought to try to sell on the road. I didn’t feel to play it and I knew I was starting a new life and such things would no longer be in it. I sold it and used the money to buy a broken down car that lasted maybe a week.

But had I longed to play music, I imagine if I didn’t block out those feelings and shift my attention to the activities in the classroom at that time, they could have become pent up stress that over time could get stronger and could have tempted me to want to leave because of and/or could have taken a toll on my health in some ways. So that becomes compounded, the more things like that we don’t block out of our consciousness.

Frank said when he left the cult he was “elated”. In a sense I was also when I left, noting that I enjoyed doing simple things for myself, like choosing what I wanted to eat.

The way TI and DO would explain that, was that once we leave the class, we were “going with our discarnate influences” re-attracting the influences we had been keeping at bay by not giving into doing the things that the influences sought to attach to us to do through our vehicle; i.e. playing an instrument, fixing a meal of our choice, playing a sport, having a relationship, having sex, pursuing a career, etc.

Thus leaving the class eliminated that conflict which the vehicle then felt elated by. However, according to Jesus (just like what Ti and Do taught in different terms) we then attract “7 other demons that are worse than what we had to deal with before.” I can’t say I can count 7 discarnates that sought to attach to me after I left, but I can recognize characteristics of thinking I have to deal with now that I never had to deal with before and during the classroom time. For instance of late I’ve seen myself judging what others do and how others physically look to me. In the past I would have recognized differences in people’s appearance but now I’ve got an opinion about it that sort of defines the “book by it’s cover” which to me is a demon. However, I do still retain Ti and Do’s teachings so when I hear those thoughts I treat them as demons and shoe them away. Ti and Do taught that we are not responsible for the thoughts that occur to us, but we are responsabile for the thoughts we allow to linger in our consciousness.

In a comment Frank made on the Episode 5 facebook page, he said something about not suppressing feelings while not always “acting (them) out” either, but allowing ourselves to express them as being good for us to do. I’m not saying some of that can not be advantageous. I suspect that’s the basis of “confession of sins (missed the mark)”, to get things off our chest. We had regular weekly “slippage meetings” for that purpose, yet had a bunch of procedures of what not to bring up (sexuality, not even using the word) except as a generalization of something to the affect of “I gave into sensuality” and in that case would add that we wrote a note to TI and DO explaining the details. We had instruction to not blame anyone else for our slippage and to provide a remedy with each one, so what one might say, “I entertained thoughts of the past” and my remedy was to “nip it in the bud” better next time.

But I wonder if repeating our feelings over and over could be considered by Ti and Do as an indulgence in those thoughts and thus a strengthening of them and if there are others present who are susceptible to their influence an even greater negative to say out loud.

Ti and Do taught that the thoughts and feelings we have become what we are and what we “believe” and what we get when we exit these vehicles, whether they are based in reality and what degree or not. The more we entertain these beliefs the stronger we become them. When class members entertained thoughts that doubted DO they also separated from him, from His Next Level Mind and start to lose touch more and more with recognizing who He and TI are and who they represent and from having the strength to ward off the Lower Forces misinformation attacks. This applies to all aspects of the classroom, not just to doubts. When we don’t do our homework by kicking out thoughts, behaviors and ways that are not from their mind, to include thoughts/feelings of sensuality we separate from him.

Frank expressed this was happening from the start so it’s no wonder he came to see DO in a different light than that classmates that stayed, including Chkody (Erika) and others, to the point that he began to see DO, in his words as “a little psychotic” when DO brought to his students attention, after the Branch Davidian ATF/FBI murders in 1992, his consideration of the way we might get firearms to pose a threat to authorities who might then become the instruments of our laying down our vehicles lives.

Note – Even though Jesus rebuked Peter when he struck, with a sword, one of the Jewish military (Sanhedrin guards) who came to capture Jesus by his arrangement, Jesus was against violence yet instructed his disciples to have a sword with them:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Why did they need to carry swords this time when they went out to preach about him when they didn’t have them before when he sent them out. Was he trying to pose a threat without suggesting use of the sword when he said:

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Perhaps some that they would encounter in their travels might cause some to think twice about confronting them. Jesus at their last supper together told them their task was to go out and tell the truth about what they heard and experienced from Jesus. Jesus knew that if they hated him they would hate his students too since they were of the same Mind. So Jesus led them to “laying down their human lives,” because they chose to follow him, as he was demonstrating. Jesus said that they would have to “drink from the same cup” that was literally willing to shed their blood as he was willing to do because this was part of their demonstration of their overcoming aka their Christing (metamorphic) task.

But hearing this perspective from DO, I admit was a tiny bit challenging for me to consider doing anything with a weapon, yet I knew TI nor DO would condone being violent. They considered the governments that murdered people and built weapons for that purpose as primitive savage “snakes” or “weeds”, while many in society see it at best as so called necessary evil, yet the only necessary evil as Jesus taught was in the provision of the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls that provided our choices to go against God’s laws or not. Thus that presentation became a test of each students recognition of DO and whether they chose to override doubts and negative judgements of him or not.

It’s quite possible and even probable that the entire premise of laying down our vehicles by the hand of the govt was unlikely, at least at that time during the First Wave (Classroom), though could still apply into the future as it did after Jesus left, which is indicated in Jesus’ prophecy as occurring during the 5th Seal Opening time period. We are currently in the start of the 4th Seal Opening time period, that of the Green Horse (human vehicle) (Trump) – money, wealth being in charge which followed Obama as the “black or jacinth “horse” (human vehicle) that coincided with the wall street banking crisis in 2007-8. This followed the Red Horse (G.W. Bush and administration as the Red (Ruddy) horse who brought the endless war on terror, starting in 2000 after DO fulfilled the task of the White horse when he came public starting in the 1990’s in ways that can be documented to show demonstrating the remaining 6 of 7 roars (thunders) from the Lion of the Tribe of Juda.

But at this time, it seemed more and more apparent that DO saw the modus operandi of the Luciferian Space Alien “Fallen Angels” at this time as mostly to ignore He and TI and their returning crew of “saints”. That’s what prompted him to get bolder with what we claimed in the 1994 meeting posters and presentation, even stating in the last poster what the “shedding of our vehicles may be required”.

In the Portland, Oregon meeting in early 1994, that we do have on tape, DO expressed this to some degree, considering that we might have to get even bolder to put the truth in front of more people that could also generate a response that could assist us in our exit, as it did 2000 years ago, where people thought they were killing in God’s name.

The authorities have become the unwitting instruments of the lower forces of this planet, thus they will in many cases justify their agendas – the execution of atrocities all over the planet, seeing even their murders as “collateral damage” to keep their authority and profiteering.

DO had followed the Randy Weaver story that followed Waco and the Freemen story as well and though he never supported anyone’s enacting violence against anyone, knew that potential for us to become targets existed so he sought to prepare us for that, should it happen before or after he left. So like Jesus he was following his instruction from his Older Member to even bring up the subject of firearms, taking his clue in that regard from the Waco event. That’s the way the Next Level works, using human’s choices to convert them into a Next Level positive, in this case, completing their task which always involved leaving earth without our human vehicles.

Yes, Do thought about this and the part that Ben Zeller read was written by DO but what wasn’t nor understood was how DO updated that writing and in so doing took away that entire section about taking up firearms. He first posted the initial document, entitled, “Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure” on September 25-26, 1995 and in January of 1997 updated it that even changed the title to: “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure”. Jesus was put in quotes because as they always said neither Ti nor Do were Jesus because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level (who TI said was DO) incarnated into to perform that task. (Though they always said from 1974-6 that all the Revelations prophecies would be fulfilled that included Jesus coming in the 7th and last “closeness” where they considered themselves as the 6th closeness and that that coming was not to be a “teaching one” (like the 6th was via the Two Witnesses task of delivery of new information via speaking).

Below I provide a link to my blog post that shows the full comparison of these two versions of Undercover “Jesus” where the part about obtaining a firearm was removed.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/do-reduces-the-requirements-to-leave-with-him-by-updating-undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

Plus he never manipulated anyone – there were never any locked door or fences around our campgrounds. Keys to cars were locked up every night because some would leave in the middle of the night sometimes and Ti and Do didn’t want to lose a car to them. Money was locked up for the same reason. Doors were locked to keep people from the outside from coming in. But I don’t recall phones were disconnected at night though we often had someone up all night doing a night watch task. If someone wanted to leave Ti and Do preferred they tell them and they always tried to help them with a bus or airplane ticket and sometimes with a car and/or some money as was the case with me. I was given a plane ticket and $600 in cash. They still almost always moved soon after someone would leave if Ti and Do felt they might reveal where we were, in case a private eye was looking for someone.

DO never entertained mounting any kind of attack against the government or to do any violent act against anyone ever (Their exit method was not violent. It was as gentle as one could imagine leaving one’s vehicle could be – the vehicle dying in one’s sleep).

However, further addressing that part of the Undercover…” post Ben Zeller read in Episode 6 was what came after describing – Believers in Them taking a stand, not being submissive to authorities (though not breaking any laws either) and how that could eventually lead to those authorities becoming the aggressors and seeing radicals with firearms as a threat to the public so could facilitate their exit of their vehicles.

DO was simply following his instruction from TI by outlining an option that the Next Level would find an acceptable way to both show our commitment to the Next Level by following, if we so chose, and as a way to lay down our vehicles to exit should authorities bring trumpeted up charges against us individually or as a group and not having to submit to them and their treatment of us. He made those posts in 1995, approx. 6 months or more after he had outlined for the entire class the procedure for self exiting that he still continued then to prepare for.

I know DO bought at least one rifle which I read about in Rio’s book saying Strody (a classmate with a 60 something year old female vehicle) did some target shooting when they were building what they called a “fortress” near Mansano, New Mexico. Rio didn’t indicate there was a program for all to learn to shoot the rifle.

I’m not sure where I got this, but thought if we got a rifle we would load it with blanks and/or learn to shoot above the heads of someone so if it was to be used it would appear to be a real threat. I can’t actually say I recall DO saying that so perhaps it was how I first dealt with the idea after the Waco murders of the Branch Davidians when DO first brought up the idea. It wasn’t an easy idea for me to handle as it faced me at the time with just how far I would go in my commitment to DO. Would I shoot someone, if I was given that instruction, I asked myself and what I felt was that I wouldn’t be asked to do that. But I did not question DO’s bringing it up and considering it, so like everything in the classroom it felt like another test that I would pass and it would not be the last such test.

The way I heard Frank speak of that classroom it sounded as if he resented the procedures, saying we had to “toe the line” as if it was drudgery as opposed to performing our task assignments with a sense of feeling very happy and even honored to do so. He said we were to “stay under the radar”, as if we were hiding when a huge part of the classroom overcoming process was to want to be transparent and to enjoy being watched all the time. In this context it would have only been a negative to be watched if we sought to hide something. I think from Franks admission he had something to hide thus appears to have resented being under that Next Level microscope.

Franks case and I, Sawyer also engaged in some deceit and tried to hide some of my behaviors. But to be clear this isn’t always totally conscious, so it may be mostly in hindsight that Frank has developed his apparent disdain for DO and the classroom experience.

Ti and DO used to compare their task on earth to being “undercover” and dropped behind enemy lines to where the only lifeline they had was their remote communication with the Next Level and that the task was so important that they didn’t want to say or do anything that would jeopardize the successful completion of that task. I didn’t see that as illusionary thinking. It made perfect sense to me. But a big part of being undercover was in the procedures they had to use to verify they are receiving instructions from their “heavenly Father” as opposed to the efforts of a human or human equivalent trickster. Before Ti left her vehicle she had taught DO how to engage that “checking” process. Part of that was running things by his “helpers” and/or “overseers”. But that was often combined with his observations of events in the world, with the Waco event.

The basis of having “check partners” was to perform all our tasks with more confidence we were working in accordance to our Older Member’s wishes. And partners were to help us be to our partners a “mirror” other sets of eyes to help us see our self and what we might be thinking, saying or doing differently from what our Older Members had taught. That is what Jesus meant by making one’s eye single – having 100% concentration on one aim – to follow our Older Member wherever he goes and in whatever he would have us do.

We needed to want to be subject to that “radar”. It was part of becoming crew minded and not seeking to shine for shining sake. “Behaving” – living according to the provided behaviors and ways, “Following procedures, the rules, to those that truly wanted to be there were very satisfying, very fulfilling and purposeful feeling. Anyone that has worked in a team effort knows how great it feels to be part of that team and how fun it is to work together as different spokes in the wheel and for those that were fully there, I know they felt that.

I’m not suggesting Frank didn’t experience a lot of this pride and satisfaction, but at least in the way he spoke that was put together by the Pineapple Street crew it would seem he has forgotten about or sees in a different light now.

We developed a lot of procedures surrounding our need to feed these vehicles, to set up the preparation of food as an experiment, which I see as ingenious – simulating the real deal of training to meet the qualifications of becoming a crew member in laboratories that are involved in the mechanics of a vast creation.

So Frank calls DO “controlling” and says he got even more controlling after TI left her vehicle, but the facts are that if one wants to consider him ever to be “controlling”, he became less of that after TI left.

If he became more controlling, then why did he send us back to visit families again in 1987? Why wasn’t their sending us to visit families in 1985 enough after the first 10 years of no such visits. The first visit was spoken of by Ti and Do as relieving anxieties family members had that they became most aware of when they found out about the Newsletter Nancy Brown started. It was because of that visit that Rthody decided to leave and is when Frank and Erika who traveled together would have had the chance to run away together and when I could have run away with “sarah” as we two traveled together (and I felt on the airplane and in a car with her, I did wonder if she was coming on to me, but I ignored it.

Starting in 1987 DO brought in a bunch of books, some about UFO’s, abduction reports, close encounters, UFO Crash at Aztec, that included autopsy reports from Dr. Leonard Stringfield. He started up a little video project I was on the committee for. He sent Lggody and others to UFO conferences in Arkansas and Nevada to video interview leading ufologists.

He started us into all kinds of health and longevity research. We had a little company called, ALERT (Advanced Life Extension Research Team). He had us publish a book called the Transfiguration Diet. I was assigned to drive one of our little carpools. I’d drop off classmates at their “out of craft tasks” (jobs in the world) and then go to mine by myself and during my lunch hour, I chose to visit book stores of my choosing to sell books. I could have easily just cashed my check one day and drove off with a Cadillac. I remember one time even having that thought, though it wasn’t a thought I had been entertaining so it had no affect on me, nor did I have any reason to want to leave.

It seemed we had more frequent times when we were required to spend 20 minutes or so opening the door of our minds to whether there was something in the world we wanted. When that time period was over we were to resume blocking out such thoughts. However, if we had been entertaining such thoughts it would have strengthened such thoughts.

DO offered students $2000 to leave the classroom saying he didn’t want anyone staying because of fear of going back into the world and because life in the classroom had become easy – communal living, no worry about the things humans had to worry about like paying bills, keeping a job, dealing with life in what TI called the “real world” as ours was a simulation of life on a spacecraft and if one person lost a job it didn’t break the bank.

DO brought in more books related to the bible – Strong’s concordance, 4-5 versions of the Bible, Dakes, the Parallel, an Amplified, the dead sea scrolls, about the Essenes, the Nag Hammadi library, the Inner Earth evidence from Admiral Byrd’s expedition and even the book Holy Blood Holy Grael that depicted Jesus tricking people to think he had died and resurrected and instead went to live in France where he started a family. That was not the story we thought happened so DO was providing us with that thinking and I don’t recall that he talked about the book.

DO wrote “’88 Update The UFO Two and their Crew”, in which he revealed before he had awakened how he had been leading a homosexual lifestyle. Who knows whether learning that tested some.

Srrody and I started two companies (DBA’s). One we called, Think Link and the second one was called Word Wise and we tried to secure contract programming jobs and got a few but we were on our own to plan what we would do and how.

Srrody and I started training classmates to do computer programming work. DO didn’t give us procedures on how to do that. Students who were intested in that line of work volunteered. Chkody was one of them, with Glnody.

We started making crosses out of fine/rare woods and inlayed semi-precious stones in some of them. Prkody (who left before Frank and has since died) was a primary and Srrody and I were on the crew and we ended up selling them. Do left us on our own as to their design as there are many different kinds of crosses.

When we dealt with the public at times we started being more honest about who we were, saying we were a monastic group. I remember when Lggody was assigned the primary position to design a portable stand for the two 7 foot diameter satellite dishes we had. I was Lggody’s check partner and he was brother Logan and I was brother Sawyer to the people we bought supplies from. That was a change from hiding the true nature of our group.

I never saw Ti nor Do as controlling anyway. If Frank didn’t want to be there, which he indicated was the case, then he was seeing what he chose to “see”. There was no manipulation and the controls were all voluntary so can’t be rightfully considered controlling.

We were taught to fully control our own vehicles, whether that meant not letting out gas outside the “bath chamber” or not allowing our vehicle to dwell on the past or on sensuality or even in imagining ways to fix the human world.

Finally, I will show how DO actually relaxed certain “controls” as to who could qualify to catch the eye of a member of the Level Above Human. This is shown by the differences between the first and last versions of the document DO wrote entitled, ‘Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure’. At first he expressed that “laying down” of one’s human body was needed to demonstrate one’s bond and leave with him to not be among those who are recycled. He changed it to “preparing to lay down one’s body” while not disqualifying that one could die from natural causes and still have their Soul saved for a future classroom. He also removed the prospect of taking up a firearm so the authorities might assist one in exiting their vehicle (not by doing any harm to anyone with it but just by having it when one might be apprehended by authorities for being a radical and not choosing to submit to being taken to jail on trumped up charges, for example).

As shown by my post on the way DO reduced the qualifications to leaving with him, the edit/update of Undercover “Jesus”… demonstrates without question less “control” over who could aspire to advance towards their own graduation.

Nor did DO demonstrate that “controlling and manipulative” person Frank and others try to paint him as, when Frank told DO he wanted to leave. Is asking him if he is sure evidence of controlling and manipulation? Lets say one of our kids who became an adult didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of their parents – to join and help run the parents’ company. Wouldn’t a good parent try to remind their offspring what they are giving up? That was DO appealing to that part of He and Ti’s Mind that was still in Andody’s vehicle – Frank. DO was showing how he cared for Andody to face him with that prospect. DO didn’t say no, he couldn’t leave or didn’t delay his leaving nor have students try to talk him out of it. Remember Frank had become DO’s student for around 17 years at that point and that meant passing by many “tests.”

Finally, Frank says when he was preparing to leave, “classmates were hovering around to make sure I didn’t take anything I wasn’t supposed to take,” another example of how he was in his own world as we had no instruction to watch him that I was aware of and I was one that took him to the airport. However perhaps Srrody did receive instructions to sort of usher him out of the classroom and that could have included giving back the silver wedding bands we wore, that DO gave us to represent our marriage to him (that TI before she left had told us to show to DO our commitment to him). DO at first started to wear a silver wedding band and then he had an event to where each student received one and he spent time with each student, silently as a more formal solidification of what that ring represented.

It’s interesting how that “marriage” relationship was described by Jesus related to the students in the end time. And it’s also interesting how the Luciferian space alien fallen angels stimulated a facsimile event with the Moonies where they had a huge mass marriage but not to him but to other students and it was nothing like in Ti and Do’s group as they really got married in the states eyes and I imagine were sexual and perhaps some went on to propagate, a distortion of what Jesus taught as for “angels” (in the making even) there is no marriage (as we think of marriage) and no propagation of the species. However, that wasn’t saying if one was married before they made their commitment to the Next Level entirely that they were not able to “marry” their Older Member. That option exists for as long as we each have a human vehicle.

It’s simply human mammalian behaviors needing to be outgrown to literally graduate into Next Level membership.

Glynn say’s DO became “more cruel” but where was there any evidence anywhere that he was ever cruel. What was cruel about he and Ti’s sending 19 students who followed them away from the group? What was cruel about spending all their money they received from donations on us, outfitting us to live outdoors for the first 3+ years without income?

Frank described Erika in the start of this podcast as being “loving, compassionate, bright, and intuitive” and yet he paints a picture of the individual (DO) who she, in the name of Chkody loved and gave her life to, as psychotic, manipulating and controlling and having lost his objectivity that led to her and the other student’s committing suicide. That doesn’t say much about her brightness and intuition.

What’s controlling and manipulative is shown in much of these podcasts, and in this episode in particular by putting such a focus on what Frank says to paint a picture to people that DO was controlling and cruel just like what was done to paint Ti as hypocritical in episode 4. None of these involved with this project are operating with a completely informed perspective so they might want to restrain publicly expressing their negativity. Like Jesus said the way we judge others will be the way we are judged. That’s because we become believers in our own judgement, so continue to draw to us the ramifications of having that judgement and we then become forced to “act it out”, which is why there has been an exponential increase in mass shootings, etc.

To me it’s also manipulative to depict Glynn’s early in life experience in a Christian “cult” that was hardly a cult at all comparing it to the Heaven’s Gate cult when there was nothing about them that were alike except for the references to things Biblical and of Jesus. It can easily be shown that all the religions and even today’s anti-religion groups are far from their origin in the case of Christians from the cultish Jesus teachings.

It’s easy to see how Glynn’s cult experience was not evidenced to have much of the real Jesus in it, thus why it did become an example of Luciferian influenced corruption as Jesus said would happen and spoke to as their being “false Christ(ians),” not even knowing what it means to be engaged in the Christing process – coming to trick people who can be tricked into thinking they are serving the One True Kingdom of God when they don’t know Him hardly, if at all. This is on a person by person basis and even if we do recognize the many ways we’ve been tricked, we can still change and the best advise for that is to seek what’s most true at any cost to previous ideas. That can only happen if we project our asking beyond the stars to reach the highest source we can imagine and then proceeding as a seeker – busting past previous limitations of what what might look like.

I’ve written about the dozens of examples that show how Ti and Do demonstrated the same behaviors and ways and requirements of students that Jesus required to join his cult and yet I get no time to say anything about any of that.

Most of the only things they ended up using from the interviews I gave were things they could use to paint a distorted, hypothetically inaccurate negative slanted picture of the real Ti and Do and crew.

Another example of their focusing on anything that painted a negative picture of Ti and Do and their class was shown in how David (Alxody) during one of his two visits to his vehicle’s family was videoed twisting a phone cord in his fingers. Perhaps it was nervous energy as he was subject to scrutiny from his brother(s) around then, but perhaps he always had some nervous energy. We all knew he had a lot of force. The point is why spend any time on that when there are hundreds of things to focus on that could directly inform the listener to more of the truth about Ti and Do and their group.

With all this said, I do still appreciate hearing all of what they found to put together into this series and I know the pressure of being a somewhat mainstream media organizations that needs to attract advertisers and not upset certain people in high places is enormous to negotiate and of course the status quo thinking is overwhelmingly against even considering for a second that Ti and Do could have been exactly who they said they were.

 

 

Jesus-Rebuilding Temple in Jerusalem, Hiding, Miracles, Abandoning Children, When Two Witnesses Come

November 28, 2017

Here are comments on my blog post on Pineapple Street Media’s Heaven’s Gate podcast episode 5, with my responses:

You are ignoring a lot of scripture. The prophecies of Rev can’t happen until the temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt and the temple is in full operation (eg sacrifices, etc.). And that is literal — there is no way around it. He was referring to the temple in Jerusalem. He wasn’t playing funny with the words. So the two witnesses haven’t appeared on the scene yet — they can’t. Countless thousands upon thousands have thought they were “the two” over the millennia, but the bible is crystal clear.

Also, Jesus absolutely loved children — he wouldn’t have abandoned his children. Also, Jesus didn’t hide scared like Do did most of his life — hiding from the cult awareness network exactly as a cult leader would do.

Do didn’t perform a single miracle for us either. He didn’t perform any for you, too. He didn’t cure the blind for instance. Ti said that the cancer would never kill her (“mark my words” she said).

Sawyer’s responses:

The only things Jesus said in regard to rebuilding the temple was referring to the temple as his body that he would rebuild in 3 days:

Mar 14:57 And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying,
Mar 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

He did rebuild his human body.  It was referred to as his healed or glorified new body because it had new characteristics that he demonstrated having shortly after coming out of the tomb.:

Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

This is the second time Jesus demonstrates making his body visible and then invisible.  Perhaps this is where the book/movie by H.G. Wells, The Invisible Man, came from. Ti and Do said the Next Level influenced movies and books to help humans wake up to their realities.

Ti and Do taught that this was a characteristic of that model of a Next Level grown physical body. They said they can also do the same thing with their physical spacecrafts.

Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Jesus wasn’t recognized by his disciples at first until he began to talk.  That’s because they recognized him by his Mind/Spirit and/or his voice. When he first came out of the tomb, which was before this account, he told Mary Magdalene who was there and saw him not to touch him as he needed to go to be with his Father first but would be back.

Ti and Do said that his metamorphosis was completed at the time documented as the Transfiguration. In other words it was after that, that he could repair his own vehicle.

Curiously, the Greek word translated to “transfiguration” is metamorphoo and actually means “changed into another form” or to be transformed or changed.

Ti said that it’s a characteristic of a Next Level Member to be able to heal the human body that was killed in 3 1/2 days.

(Note how Ti didn’t go along with scripture in saying that as 3 1/2 days when the quotes from all the verses in this regard state it as “3”.)

He also said all those stones that make up the temple (sacred place) would be thrown down, which has happened several times and may still happen again before it’s all done.

Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

That sounds like a recycling is scheduled as DO talked about a bit.

There were two Greek words used to denote the temple:

3485 naos {nah-os’}
from a primary naio (to dwell); TDNT – 4:880,625; n m
AV – temple 45, a shrine 1; 46
1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure) 2) any heathen temple or shrine 3) metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ

2411 hieron {hee-er-on’}
from 2413; TDNT – 3:230,349; n n
AV – temple 71; 71
1) a sacred place, temple 1a) used of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus 1b) used of the temple at Jerusalem

He was said to be in Jerusalem for the usage of the former of the two but not necessarily for the later of these two definitions as it also meant a “sacred place”.

In any case it is spelled out that use of “temple” referred to his body, the writers thought and that’s not without evidence but one has to go to Paul’s writings to find it.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Further, Jesus said that Jerusalem would be left desolate. Jerusalem was both the “city of the Children of Israel” – the people who became the dedicated students of Moses and Elijah and then Jesus and the geographical location:

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The house was referring to that “household, the dwelling place for those who were the Children of Israel. In other words, the returning Souls would not be coming into Jewish vehicles thereafter is one of several ways that can all be accurate to witness.

Desolation=
2048 eremos {er’-ay-mos}
of uncertain affinity; TDNT – 2:657,255; adjective
AV – wilderness 32, desert 13, desolate 4, solitary 1; 50
1) solitary, lonely, desolate, uninhabited 1a) used of places 1a1) a desert, wilderness 1a2) deserted places, lonely regions 1a3) an uncultivated region fit for pasturage 1b) used of persons 1b1) deserted by others 1b2) deprived of the aid and protection of others, especially of friends, acquaintances, kindred 1b3) bereft 1b3a) of a flock deserted by the shepherd 1b3b) of a woman neglected by her husband, from whom the husband withholds himself
.
So the only way the Middle east Jerusalem would “see him”, which also means understand it’s him is if some are blessed – given the opportunity by the Next Level to see someone who comes “in the name of the Lord” thus someone who is to some degree a student.

Incidentally, DO and his two primary “Helpers,” Lvvody and Jnnody took a trip to Israel sometime between late 1994 and their exit in 1997 as reported by Rio (Neody) in his book, Beyond Human Mind. While I was still there DO talked about going there, even taking the entire class but it never felt right to do then as that was in the early 1990’s. DO reported upon returning that he didn’t feel there was any Next Level Mind left there – thus it became dry of the capacity to have some “fruit” growing there.

Next Jesus says the Kingdom of God would be given to a new “nation…”:

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Nation =
1484 ethnos {eth’-nos}
probably from 1486; TDNT – 2:364,201; n n
AV – Gentiles 93, nation 64, heathen 5, people 2; 164
1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together 1a) a company, troop, swarm 2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus 2a) the human family 3) a tribe, nation, people group 4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles 5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians

A Nation can refer to one or all of the following: a country and a people and an ethnicity, thus the Jewish people were not slated to experience the return as their development had gone astray.

Re: “thousands” of Two Witnesses:

I don’t know that “countless thousands” have said they were the Two Witnesses but perhaps that’s true but Jesus said before he came there would be many who claimed to be prophets and/or false Christs (false Christians?), even using his name – Jesus.

But the Revelation doesn’t start with the Two Witnesses. They only come on the scene during the 6th Angels Trumpet Sounding. That means there were 5 soundings before they come public to speak inspired by God, the definition of to prophesy.

Further we have evidence that there was planned a new Jerusalem both as an ethnicity and location:

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The word Spiritual here comes from the Greek, pneumatikos which is defined as “non-physical” by Strongs. Thus these listed areas will not be the same physical areas they represented when this was given.

Since we know Jesus’ physical vehicle was killed in Jerusalem, there is also to be a new “Jerusalem, Sodom and Egypt”.

Sodom comes from Cdom and it means “to scorch”;burnt (i.e. volcanic or bituminous) district and also was said to be near to the “dead sea” which was dead because it’s many times saltier than ocean water.

Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when they, their bodies – their human reputations were shot down by the national press all over the US. Las Vegas is fairly close to the Saltan Sea in eastern California in a desert (scorched area). Egypt represents the greater area, defined as “two straights” or “two streets” which can depict two paths – or Two “Waves” in DO’s term, with first starting by Ti and Do’s Two Witness task and overcoming process and the second started by DO and crew from 1987 to 1997 as the return of the One who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus – seen by the world the most as Heaven’s Gate Cult, DO called the Cult of Cults and the Cult of truth. These two waves can also be seen as the First and Last harvest periods with the Last started AFTER their exit, during the time of the Seventh Trumpet sounding, thus now as described by the opening of the Seven Seals (Affirmation Periods/revealing of the remaining information related to their history in scripture – that was in the backside of their BOOK (Rev 5:1) and the Little Book (Rev 10).

Apparently Los Angels area was to be the new “city of God’s “children” (angels)” (non physical location where the Two Witnesses are subdued and exit) – southern California. Their first meeting was in North Hollywood in April of 1975. Isaiah referred to Jerusalem as the “valley of vision” – it’s at the bottom of the San Fernando Valley. Pop culture even referred to girls growing up there as “valley girls”. San Francisco comes from St. Francis of Assisi. Ti said that her spirit guide helper was named “Brother Francis” and came from the the movie, Brother Sun Sister Moon about St. Francis who went against the mainstream church.

Ti and Do were never slated to be “killed” but they were slated to bring on their own death of their vehicles but that was only going to happen after they were first “subdued”, said as “overcome” in most translations but not the primary definition:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

overcome = 3528 nikao nik-ah’-o from nike 3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively):–conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.

Notice it’s “to subdue” which is also what each student needs to accomplish against their human vehicle and it’s influences. Notice how the Greek word is “nikao” from Nike so even wearing Nike sneakers can have some application to their defeat of their vehicles humanness.

Plus in several places where these Two are revealed there are indicative scriptures of their student body being with them, which is why they came in the first place to collect and bring through their
Spirit/Mind “birth canal”.

The “and” between overcome and kill is a nondescript time period. and “kill them” comes from the Greek “apokteino auto” which is more accurately translated as “separated (or taken away from, or exiting) [by] dying themselves” which is how they exited, seen by much of the world as suicide.

Even so, perhaps when Jesus returns as Ti and Do said would happen during the Seventh and Last “Closeness,” that was not to be a “teaching time” again but to receive to him those who affirmed themselves as his students by becoming students of Ti and Do, while they were incarnate and/or after they exited, the Jewish/Christian/Muslim temple mount in the geographic Jerusalem will be rebuilt and then brought down again. Jesus final return is described most in Revelation chapter 19.

So the new temple, altar and court areas are respectively West of the Mississippi River – Western U.S.,(~1260 miles square), The Southwestern U.S. (where they came by crashing spacecrafts and where they exited from Escondido, both sacrificing their physical vehicles (as introduced in the Moses 1st Trimester Classroom) and the East of the Mississippi River US, Canada, England, Ireland, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand areas (primarily) and any other areas in the world where Ti and Do’s information was brought and made some impression on some. (All these areas mentioned were where DO and Crew put ads in new age periodicals in 1992, though their internet activity was global wide.)

So the temple is both one’s vehicle they are trying to make into only the instrument of God, but is also the physical area where the Older Members and Crew come incarnate and deliver their teachings primarily to and juxtaposed over that physical location is the Next Level’s spacecraft, “heaven” that is removed from the planet during the 6th Seal opening and a new one is installed after the Judgement hour (~40 years) is up and all have chosen to whom to give their allegiance, between the Next Level Above Human and “Mammon” – what human seed bearing plants consider to be their wealth and treasure as shown in their allegiance to the BEASTS – the US and the EU.

On Abandonment of human family:

But Jesus did say that there would be some of his disciples who abandoned their children would receive a hundredfold in relationship to their new family that Jesus said he had consisting of his students.

Mar 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,
Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Having a New Family of fellow believers:

Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Jesus did hide until he got instructions to lay down his life in Jerusalem:

Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Mar 7:24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.

The nature of the task was to hide enough to gather the Souls into their vehicles to become his students again. That’s why it was said he comes as a thief in the night, where night has to do with what Ti and Do called “undercover” which is in a large way accomplished by coming incarnate so no one can see their Next Level Mind unless they are given to see it and do the work to see it.

Ti and Do hid so their classroom wouldn’t be interfered with before they had completed their task. Today it would be harder to hide the same activity as more people are suspect of every little thing that’s different and investigators can easily find anyone who legally works and lives and pays bills, etc. That will only get worse as days pass. We actually knew of several efforts to try to find us with the idea of pulling an adult out of the group as was happening to other cults. They also had several notifications that the FBI was looking for them – once because they wanted to question them regarding the rash of Cattle Mutilations in the western US in the early to mid 1970’s as with a number of mutilations a UFO was sighted nearby.

Miracles:

It’s interesting that Jesus didn’t consider miracles to be “signs” saying that the only sign would be his resurrection from the dead. He tried to keep the healing he did secret until after he left. There is no indication in prophecy that the Two Witnesses nor “Jesus” do any miracles. In fact there are a number of indications that if we saw miracles they were done by the lower forces, by the BEAST.

Here Jesus is speaking about the time of his Kingdom’s return:

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

The word “wonder” comes from Greek teras and also can be defined as: a prodigy, portent or miracle.

The wonders/miracles were to be shown upon his return but they would all be in the literal heavens – outer space while signs or markers were to be shown on the earth but would be described as “blood (bloodshed, from famine, disease, war) and fire (lava, forest fire, drought, radioactivity, anger) and vapour of smoke (volcanic ash?)

If we see miracles now they are not from the Kingdom of God. Here is a key set of examples generated by “another beast (poisonous human mammals)”:

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

wonder and miracle= 4592 semeion {say-mi’-on}
from a presumed derivative of the base of 4591; TDNT – 7:200,1015; n n
AV – sign 50, miracle 23, wonder 3, token 1; 77
1) a sign, mark, token 1a) that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known 1b) a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence, transcending the common course of nature 1b1) of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen 1b2) of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God’s

Ti and Do said that miracles like Jesus did were not given when a student could still graduate.

However, there were some accounts in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary that Ti and Do had special powers. In one they were said to just disappear when someone turned their back. When Ti and Do read that account from Hayden Hewes they laughed and said they just walked off.

Also when Ti and Do were driving on a mountain road and the car behind them was obnoxiously wanting to pass and when they finally did gave Ti and Do the finger, Ti and Do later saw them off the road, crashed into a ditch, though they didn’t wish any harm to them but it does go along with one of the descriptions of the Two Witnesses to have that power if they chose to use it.

I believe I recall DO saying some 90% of the miracles attributed to Jesus were “exaggerated.” He indicated that would generate only a temporary false sense of faith.

True faith comes by putting into motion what is taught by the Older Members and seeing the changes in us and that gets carried on to future incarnations so that people come into vehicles now already having a degree of that faith where things Ti and Do say make sense to them. Anyone can gain that faith but they have to seek to have it by appealing to the highest source in the heaven’s they can reach for help to have it and see more of what’s true and real. If one doesn’t ask they don’t receive as much help though asking can take a number of forms conscious and subconscious.

Ti and Do said that Jesus’ disciples were given various powers because none of them were ready to graduate.

TI’s vehicle’s Cancer: (Commenter writes: “Ti said that the cancer would never kill her (“mark my words” she said)).”

I never heard TI say that cancer would never kill her but even if she did it would have been referring to who she knew herself to be – an Older Member from the Next Level who could not be killed by anything that would happen to her while in the human kingdom. It could kill her vehicle only.

Still, had she said that, it wouldn’t have phased me any more than I was phased by the other things that they changed along the way. I recognized who they were and still know who they are and they can do no wrong and that’s not actually a “blind faith” because I can show why it’s not blind.

Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 4 commentary by Sawyer

November 15, 2017

Sawyer’s Commentary to Pineapple Street Episode 4 of their Heaven’s Gate podcast series:

I was also raised in a cult – It was called Catholic and I had no love or respect for the nuns who berated me and forced me to memorize the answers to their 50 question confirmation test. I was never good at memorizing something like that and yet Mother superior and my mother stood there acting as if there was something wrong with me and I was crying the whole time. At church because of the heat I would sometimes pass out to come to with nuns in their habits looking at me with angry faces.

Ti and Do taught that “religion is the number one killer of souls”. How can that be? Well they indoctrinate the kids with their opinions about what was taught in the bible. They force them into compliance and from doing that, the kids turn out like Glynn did – he had to get out, a good thing in my opinion, or they turn into one of them in what Jesus called a “false christ(ian)” (as they are not engaging the overcoming process that means only adhering to what Jesus taught rather than what Paul of Tarsus wrote that became the bedrock of most Christianity and/or paying more attention to the stories in the Old Testament that were also subject to distortion). In both those cases a Soul can be lost – even killed IF they don’t continue to seek answers by looking to a sense of Creators.

Before I joined with Ti and Do in 1975 I had been a hippy living with a Jewish woman out of wedlock in the mountains of British Columbia trying to homestead because I hated the path of the U.S. with the Vietnam war (though I got a very high lottery number, so wasn’t be drafted in 1969 when I turned 18). I knew I wasn’t going into the violent brainwashed “cult of the U.S.” who send troops all over the planet to kill people and steal their resources and act like they are saviors with their largely white nationalist often Christian cult leaders, called presidents and congress and the whole ball of wax.

The reason why a soul “dies” is because they stop seeking the highest truth. They settle with some facsimile.

Ti and Do were the only genuine deal and they didn’t want anyone to join them If that someone didn’t want it more than anything and they proved that by many, many examples over many years that I have posted but I can almost gamble most fear learning about because it will be upsetting of their applecart and we all kind of find a niche we are okay with even if it’s a miserable niche. I know that as I found a niche after leaving the group or at least tried to and yet what I got from Ti and Do never left me entirely and contrary to Glynn’s experience Ti and Do were so real and so truthful and so straight forward and so unassuming and so anti-religious, anti-“christian” anti establishment anti status quo, lacking human charisma without any abuses or hypocrisy or excuses that when they gave me the chance to reawaken, fortunately I couldn’t deny it, though I knew it would be hard but I knew I could trust Ti and Do (and Do after Ti left) so I was at least willing to take baby steps more in their direction. I had a baby girl and a partner and a good high tech programming job, yet there was still something about me that was looking for more. I put all my time into rebuilding and starting musical skills I had before I joined in 1975 and even played with rock star Ritchie Blackmore informally at a bar he frequented and at his house a couple times and he even indicated he was interested in me on the music level but I couldn’t imagine quitting my job and not being around for my baby girl so I didn’t seek to play up to him further.

So whether we know it or not, we all live in the cult of human. Humans become the cult leaders and people will drink poison if they tell you it’s what you need while others question what they are told. They will send you to die for them, kill for them, steal for them and call it business, cook the books for them, give our kids to them and that’s “normal” to where those that don’t fit into such a model, who sometimes become addicts and spend time behind bars or join cults or commit suicide or get so depressed they can’t live any sort of normal life unless they are medicated to sleep, medicated to wake up and medicated to have fun. We are prone to replace our seeking of the truth about why we exist with filling our time with pursuits of careers or family or fun or adventure and there is nothing wrong with any of it, but it is part of the cult of misinformation compared to the cult of cults, cult of truth – real true information from the Next Level Above Human most recently brought, and not yet distorted in the core ways, by Ti and Do.

The same opportunity that anyone has had to find out what’s most true still exists for anyone now and there is no cult to join, nothing to buy, no one to look to on earth as a leader, no special clothes to wear or place to go to pray.

That reminds me. here is one big example of why Glynn’s cult was so wrong. Had someone read what Jesus said they would have come by the part where he teaches to pray by going into one’s “closet” to pray “in private” and then would be rewarded in private. He didn’t teach to pray to Jesus. He taught to pray to his Father in Heaven, using “Father” to instill that family reference. Yet look at most all Christian denominations and their pushing of out loud prayer, prayer circles, prayer in groups, stock prayers – in the hymnals which Jesus also taught against doing. Praying to Jesus this and Jesus that, where Jesus even warned against turning prayer into a “vain repetition,” which has become kin to “using the name of the Lord in vain” – making the name used then meaningless. One can look at everything Jesus said and would see in most Christian leaders where they have accepted a distorted or diluted version, yet they appear as “sheep” because they wear the garb of a seeker while they have unknowingly become wolves preying upon real potential “sheep” who could still become followers of the true teachings from the Kingdom of God – Next Evolutionary Level Above Human to potentially earn a seat (position) on their spacecrafts.

How can otherwise decent people justify that hypocrisy? It’s because they were programmed to believe a lie, but the Next Level Above Human compensates for that programming by sending their Representative back again – incarnate the way they always come for this kind of task so that all who can still “hear and see” are drawn to them, however slightly, even drawn amidst the flood of thoughts against them that will continue in this broadcast because the reason they are even still talking about it is because Ti and Do’s crew have ways to keep the stimulus alive to keep it talked about to give yet another last chance for some to be at least a little curious about them, so they know which Souls to salvage when it’s all “done” and the recycling is fully underway.

This isn’t doomsdayer talk because the facts are that we all have to face doomsday because humans are finite so must die eventually and we all know that and accept it but hope it doesn’t happen to us or our loved ones too soon or in too difficult a way to handle. I don’t want that anymore than anyone else, nor do I want to watch it happen to others but there is help to deal and that help for those that hear about it is provided by the highest source in the Heaven’s we can reach, which is where Ti and Do and Crew are at this moment and are waiting and hoping to hear from each of us. They don’t need us. I don’t need anyone to believe what I believe. They helped me come back to some degree of acceptance of the programming of my brain/mind/spirit that they gave me a huge dose of in 1975. Without their help none of us would have any greater perspective of the whole truth about why we exist. It’s the highest form of programming that exists so it’s a positive program that even after they give us that gift of recognition that can start with curiosity, if continued can bloom to become one of their prospective students. It doesn’t make us a robot. In fact it removes us from being robotic.

So these broadcasts are great even with the unfounded judgementalism in Episode 3 that called Ti a hypocrite and the fostering of deceit in Episode 1 making it look like it was one of the 38 who expressed having doubts about taking their final act, when it was a dropout Frank’s, (who was Andody) response, placed out of context that I presume was said when he was asked about his feelings when watching the exit video’s of his former classmates. I was asked the same question.

Moving in the direction of Ti and Do’s Next Level is a step wise process. It’s designed to be difficult, unlike joining a religion or other organization touting itself as a path to enlightenment, etc., often taught to be almost automatically obtained by simply enrolling. Getting on Ti and Do’s path doesn’t make anyone better than anyone else or higher than human yet, because they aren’t above human until they complete the program to the satisfaction of their Next Level overseers, at this time the ones who were incarnate in vehicles named Ti and Do.

Although study of all the materials Ti and Do and graduate crew left behind, I think is a must, it also must grow to more than that as they don’t need theologians or intellectuals who gather lots of data on a subject to then become an “expert” in the eyes of others. Do told a little joke, saying an “expert” was a “has been drip”.

Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

October 20, 2017

Below is the access information for the Pineapple Street Podcast Series Heaven’s Gate and followed by Sawyers comments to each episode:

Pineapple Press Podcast Series – Heaven’s Gate
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Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts. I am calling them both “tests” and a type of filter. Because they were tests, even though they weren’t always presented that way, if someone was “on the fence” with their full commitment, they served to face us with getting off that fence, one way or the other, leave the classroom or stay on and become stronger for doing so.

(By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them was part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions).

I’m starting from when the self stimulated exit was first brought up directly as there were times before that, when it surfaced indirectly that I’ll add later:

1) In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting, for me, as an overseer of one of the groups, was near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which is when the idea of self exiting our vehicles was first introduced. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to a very short distance away. I remember feeling exhausted and wondering why, but didn’t let that thought linger. I wasn’t conscious that I was responding negatively to what they were providing. It’s only looking back and recalling it that I remember that negative response. None the less, it was a minor negativity for me and I said nothing and I didn’t think poorly about Ti and Do or question being with them at all. It was mostly because I didn’t want to do the work of moving the tents again. So I don’t really count this as one of the tests in the list because it was small a test, yet who knows how others felt.

2) The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level – “eyes to see, ears to hear”. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point, indicated by his saying “almost without exception”:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

re: what Ti and Do always described as “body changes” is shown possible by Jesus’ example of healing and demonstrating his new body that came from the old one. Christians refer to Jesus body after he healed his body from it’s dead state as having a “glorified body.” Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke adds a key piece not found in either Matthew or Mark’s account, showing that these two “men” as Luke referred to Elias and Moses were delivering a message at least one of them understood. In other words this was when Jesus was given instructions to “lay his body down” of his own volition which could be equated with a type of suicide as he knew well the Jewish leadership hated him and had tried a number of times to stone him and were shown later to have conspired for a way to capture him and have the Romans kill him. While addressing this, here is where Jesus directly says he was going to die on his Father’s instruction and that the humans were not taking his life from him. He was laying it down as the show of the greatest love one could show another, in this case his students, the sheep given to him by his Father to shepherd?

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Continuing on with when he received that instruction while on the Transfiguration mount:

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today for some has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

3) How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

4) In about 1977, Ti and Do held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”.

TI told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

I already thought that’s what I was doing but I’d bet to some who were on the fence of being in this group it could have been a shocker.

5) The test TI said to DO felt like she “had egg on her face” because of – the planned exit via a spacecraft that didn’t happen

Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. I wasn’t privy to how that happened. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

6) Ti and Do gave us instructions to think about what we might want in the world.

Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom and compared it to being in a snake pit. The “process” instruction they’d given us from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that.

However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

7) The first of two weekend long optional visits to our human families

Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had “anxiety” about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

8) The second  optional weekend long visit to our human families

I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

9) Mrcody (known now as Mark, one of the two Heaven’s Gate webmasters) and Srfody (known now as Sara, the other Webmaster are instructed by Do through each of their students to leave the classroom until such time as they are ready to accept all the lesson steps

In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to instill the recognition that what our Older Members say is what we must rise up to recognize. Thus is was also a way of helping deflate our self confidence and instead put all our confidence in our Older Members.

It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by.

The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

10) In about 1987 DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated and asked some if they had a reservation with taking that act.

At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. A day or so later, DO then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

11) DO offers any classmember $2000.00 to leave

It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

Introduction to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate by Sawyer

October 6, 2017

I have had a stock statement I always sent to people who come to my facebook page and request to become a “friend”. I just updated it since some new media is being publicized by a couple big media groups who I gave interviews to. That’s what follows:

Introduction to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate by Sawyer

For the record, I am not starting a group or cult or trying to be anyone’s leader, or teacher, nor fostering any kind of relationship with anyone sexual or otherwise beyond communications related to my 19 years of experience as a student in Ti and Do’s “classroom”. The “classroom” as it was under Ti and Do’s direction does not and can not exist anymore. And I’ve never kept track of who tells me they believe in Ti and Do.

I discourage anyone who tells me they are considering suicide. That has happened several times over the years.

I don’t believe anyone now is in the same place as those 38 students who laid down their human lives in 1997. Dying is not an automatic ticket into Heaven as has been generally taught in some religious and spiritual belief systems. DO and Crew wrote,

“We know that it is only while we are in these physical vehicles (bodies) that we can learn the lessons needed to complete our own individual transition, as well as to complete our task of offering the Kingdom of Heaven to this civilization one last time. We take good care of our vehicles so they can function well for us in this task, and we try to protect them from any harm.”

You can read more about how they thought about suicide in this document that is posted on the Heavens Gate Website that I re-posted to my blog at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/23/our-position-against-suicide-by-do-and-crew-posted-on-heavensgate-com/

Further perspectives of suicide are explained in a document one of Ti and Do’s students wrote that was included in their Heaven’s Gate Book, along with many other subjects is here:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/evolutionary-rights-for-victims/

Here is a link to Ti and Do’s first public statement written in 1975:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-first-statement/

A free download is still available of DO and Crews Book entitled, ‘How and When “Heaven’s Gate” (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered’, from their website:

http://www.heavensgate.com

Though I know well my two former classmates who still maintain that website, I have no affiliation.

I provide most of the same documents, plus links to the Beyond Human video series and other related materials TI and DO and Crew made on my blog at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/book-appendix-links/
(This document is the appendix of my book)

Here is a link to one of three audio tapes that were recorded of both Ti and Do speaking. There are many more available freely to those who ask for them:

Blackhawk 1 of 3 – Ti and Do re adam eve lucifers prison

To see some of what DO wrote about the Space Aliens in an informational ad placed in USA Today on May 27 1993:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/06/27/usa-today-adstatement-may-27-1993-by-do-the-rev-6-applewhite-horse/

To see what DO wrote when he felt it time to state he was the return of the same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus. He never said he was “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level took to perform his task through:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/10/22/undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

My book, entitled, ‘TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses’ is available for free and for purchase as an ebook and/or softcover.

Here is the link to my book web site that also includes a big section of the book on the blog there:

http://www.tianddothefatherandjesusheavensgateufotwowitnesses.com/
(Purchasing it through this link goes through my publisher so is not the most economical way to get the softcover.)

My book is free by copying and pasting from my blog. Here is the link to the first of seven sections of the book. It’s very long so I had to break it up to post it all:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/01/26/ti-and-do-the-father-and-jesus-heavens-gate-ufo-two-witnesses/
(Just search my blog on the title for the remaining 6 sections)

More economical and practical ways to get my book is by buying the ebook using a Kindle reader off of Amazon and/or as a softcover on Barnes and Nobel and like I said through my publisher who also has a number of other ebook formats available.

For the record, though I do collect royalties for book sales, I did not write it to make money with. To make money with it, there were many other ways to write it.

Though I believe the writing of this book was a task Ti and Do offered me to do, I can’t prove that to anyone as I never received that task from their mouth, so perhaps it’s not. I did not leave their “classroom” to perform such task. I flunked out and simply have another chance to learn the lessons I needed to learn.

The book’s content attempts to bring evidence of how Ti and Do were the fulfillment of all of Jesus’ (Second Coming) prophecies to include the Book of Revelations, though much of that material is still in process of fulfillment. I did a great deal of translation examination that took me into the Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek word manuscript origins.

Plus I always strove to stay in context. Ti and Do always said that the Next Level worked very hard to preserve an accurate enough record of what Jesus said, as seen in a red letter edition of the New Testament.

Believe it or not, that doesn’t make me religious or even Christian, in the ways those labels imply. They are historic records and the religions arose as a distortion and dilution of what Jesus taught, mostly occurring by the varied interpretations of those records.

Also for the record, there are some who have posed as facebook “friends” trying to catch or harass me in some way, which I know is part of the territory to deal with, which is why I say all this to new “friends”. I never make a friend requests though I have joined some groups to be included in certain conversations to share some of what I’ve learned as I know there are some who are interested when they hear certain perspectives about Ti and Do and Crew.

However I never automatically preach or bring up Ti and Do but am also not slow to talk about them should something they say stimulate a perspective I got from them.

There is a heavensgate facebook group that I did not start but I was included as a owner of the group. I only keep it active to keep it away from charlatans, however seemingly well intended. I only say this to explain it’s presence on my facebook page Sawyerhg.wordpress.com since it would appear to be a group I support but do not.

Many of the friends on this facebook page are simply curious and most often I don’t know who believes in Ti and Do and to what degree and don’t seek to find out. There are a few exceptions who have helped me with little projects and to which I have helped them with their little projects, like videos.

But there are no secret pacts or plots or core new believers. We each only answer to Ti and Do in our individual relationships the same as anyone, whether people know of Ti and Do or not.

Many of us humans have had a real relationship with the Next Level, thinking of Them as their Heavenly Father or their Higher Power or God or Allah or Buddha or Krishna, etc. At the same time many use such terms and think they have a connection they don’t as Jesus said would happen during this time period especially. Even so we can’t judge another in this regard. Even if a human is acting in ways that are contrary to Next Level qualifying behaviors and ways, none of us know when they might change and how fast.

Ti and Do indicated that there are no other Older Members on earth to perform this task and none to come during this civilization so anyone who claims to be their return or their reincarnation or to be receiving information from them, like as a channel or as a remote viewer, contactee or psychic reader, or using the name Jesus or other Biblical figures as in the Two Witnesses are either deluded, even tricked by the various lower forces or lying.

TI and DO said that choosing to become an atheist can be a good step away from religion and spirituality, though all paths in the human kingdom can lead to the top of the human mountain. However, there is only one way off that mountain top and that’s by going through the lesson steps provided by someone who evolved beyond the human kingdom, evidenced by their teaching the separation from the human kingdom (even though it will be in degrees and always by our own choices).

One of ways to correctly interpret the term antichrist could be as one who is anti the Christing process that of course Jesus established. That “process” is the overcoming process that each human must engage by seeking the Mind (holy spirit) – from the Next Level via the information they taught while incarnate. Calling on the name Jesus can be answered by any number of discarnates or Luciferian space alien fallen angel souls which is part of why Jesus taught to project our asking to our “Father in Heaven” as the discarnates and space aliens can not actually travel very far from the earth anymore.

Thus when we see “signs” in outer space, perhaps as near as the moon, since Jesus said they would be in the Sun, Moon and Stars that would include planets and comets, etc., they are from the Next Level.

I am transparent with my life but not with personal info or the personal info on any other former members of the group who I still have some contact with whether they still believe in Ti and Do or not.

If you wish to review my little bio, for whatever it might be worth, it’s found on my blog at:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/sawyers-storyraptured-by-the-rev-11-two-witnesses-bo-dojesus-and-peeptifathers-second-coming/

How Sawyer fell by giving into sexuality in Ti & Do’s classroom and then dropping out by choice:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/sawyers-experience-with-sexuality-in-ti-dos-classroom/

Here are some Q and A but there are a lot more on my blog:

I was asked if I still followed the teachings of Ti and Do.

Sawyer’s reply: yes, as best I can, like according to the “Major and Lesser Offenses” and the “17 Steps” and other guidelines, though in this very different application, not having Ti or Do or fellow classmates present and having gone back into the world and started a human family, who I continue to help (now 20 yr old daughter), but I have had no relationships or sexuality with anyone for the last four years. However, I do find myself slipping in some of the behaviors at times so it’s a continuous process to maintain. When we slip from the standards, whether they are Ti and Do’s and/or the Jesus standards, it’s important not to let that become a reason to become separate minded from Ti and Do, that is if we want to be of one Mind with them. We can easily think that if I don’t do everything perfectly I might as well not do anything – a Luciferian ploy to turn our eyes away from doing our best for Ti and Do and their Next Level. The Next Level doesn’t need any of us to believe in them in any way. We must qualify to their standards though they give us lots of help and time to do. The traps are many but we can recover from all of them to keep moving forward.

To someone who says they have started a “Heaven’s Gate Militia” I replied:

I don’t condone violence against the govt or anyone. If we were to think of ourselves as soldiers for Ti and Do (of the real Jesus) it would be by use of our mouth – in words – the words that Ti and Do and Jesus provided us (that they also said included the red letters in the gospels, and their references to the Book of Revelations to help people see their ideas, perspectives and qualifications to become a prospective member of their Next Level Above Human.

The truth about Ti and Do will soon be lost as upon their exit started the gradual diminishing of the “light” they brought to the world. If you want a bundle of their materials give me an email address as the bundle includes audio files of meetings within the group since the early 1980’s that I was present for.

There are many misconceptions abounding and in Christian circles. Many started with the writings of Paul of Tarsus who never knew Jesus and never received instruction from him, nor was he tasked as a delegate (apostle) on his behalf. An Older Member doesn’t come incarnate if there is any other way to teach their student body what it takes to make application into membership in the Next Level.

For Christians to base what they believe on what Moses wrote, except for the things Jesus said to believe and act on, is like applying lessons given to toddler Souls when by the Jesus time they could be having a high school curriculum approaching graduation.

For instance Ti and Do were not pro or con abortion. They are always pro choice though our choices are not always going to be what they would choose and it’s not easy knowing what they would choose unless we ask them to reveal it to us.

Ti and Do said it was against their Next Level ways to be making weapons designed to kill other humans let alone using them for killing. There is no justification, but that’s to please the Next Level, which is always a choice.

Ti and Do said that it doesn’t matter one’s sexual preferences as to graduate the human kingdom one must become non-sexual because Members of the Next Level are non-sexual so one needs to build their Mind starting in the human kingdom to be “born” into their kingdom. I recall DO saying that those who are homosexual have overcome gender consciousness, though not necessarily sexual consciousness.

Ti and Do said we were all striving to be “color blind” in terms of race so we don’t act any differently to someone based on the race of their vehicle.

TI and DO were supportive of euthanasia when a human vehicle is so wrought with pain and/or has no capacity any longer to function and/or have experiences to learn lessons through.

There really is no comparison with Ti and Do and any other cults. Ti and Do referred to their group as the “cult of cults” and the “cult of truth”. There is a great deal of evidence of how Ti and Do had a way of naturally filtering out those who were not serious enough to go the full distance of graduating though they always treated each student as if they could go that full distance.

There were no abuses and there is no dirt in the Ti and Do story. Some have tried to find dirt and didn’t find any, even after listening to hundreds of hours of audio tapes. Even a number of dropouts who ceased to believe in Ti and Do have next to nothing to say against them. One said that they didn’t provide enough dental care options to students, though I got plenty of dental care. Yes there were lots of rules that developed over time but never any yelling or use of guilt or punishments or other human behaviors that are common in many organizations.