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TI and DO transcript #53 – Lessons on Following Instructions as a Member of the Next Level Would

May 12, 2019
Tape Log: 053 – 03/31/83 – OOC task-two extremes. Be alert & observant. Must learn the art of getting along with everyone. Misapplication of instruction-flowers. Interaction with Links =lessons-just say, “I did it wrong”. 45 min.

(Transcribed by Nisha and edited by Sawyer (Swy) Classroom full name: Swyody)

(Swy note: This appears to have been recorded at the Houston “retreat”. TI and DO lived in Houston briefly, their vehicles home before they awakened upon meeting there. When they moved there DO grew a beard so he wouldn’t be so noticeable by former friends and family of his vehicle. They leased a type of townhouse for students to come there to visit while the rest of the class was in Austin.)

Tape starts:

DO: Often when Links is talking to someone about instructions we might start off saying one thing like go to such and such a place to get carrots and then the more we talk in the conversation because of information we later find out we would change that to: don’t go to such and such a place and get carrots, go someplace else. Repeatedly, we find that the students are hearing portions of what we say and not hearing other portions. In other words, at the point of our making a change, they remember what we said first before we made the change more that they remember the change, which means — sounds like they’re thinking about something we said while we’re saying something else instead of listening to everything we say as we say it.

Don’t let your computers work on something we’ve just said while we’re still trying to say something else. You could be helpful by — like when TI brought up the cornbread thing of not letting the batter sit too long that just overrode everything and translated to: We’ll make up all the cornbread and let everybody be served cold cornbread which wasn’t the intent at all, it was a misapplication of instructions which is part of what we’re going to talk about. We’ve got to lick, dismiss misapplication of instructions.

TI: Let me give another example because I think ones back at the craft – The last crew that was up here and we noticed that Alxody was coming up with this group we said that Alxody was a satellite 3 person coming up and we said Alxody could not come up as a satellite 3 person but that didn’t mean they would bump Alxody and put somebody else in so that we would have a satellite 3 person. It meant that it was such perfectly okay for Alxody to come up but he could not be as a Satellite 3 person the way they mentioned it to us. Do yawl remember that?

And by the time they got back to the class they interpreted it that Alxody couldn’t come on this retreat group because he couldn’t be a Satellite 3 person, which there are times when there are no Satellite 3 people coming anymore in the retreat group – is that right – so why would you bump Alxody because of what we’re saying – to think the reason for that wasn’t because there was anything wrong with Alxody. It’s because he’s not able to function as a  Satellite 3 person without a check partner and he doesn’t have a check partner.

DO: Well we said we always try to make it if we can so a Satellite 3 person can be in a retreat crew going to retreat. And we said yes that’s fine but you don’t do it at the expense of having to get them out of the order of which they should be going. You follow what we’re saying? But we couldn’t count the number of times that our instructions have been twisted and you want to be aware of how your vehicles twist instructions and you want to exert special effort to find out if you’re twisting instructions.

Let’s take the — I feel like Swyody has innocently twisted instructions or I’m not understanding everything. Like this morning, I asked him how his new task was going and he said: Well not exactly like the other two times I was over there, because the dishwasher didn’t show up and the chef was having to pitch in and wash dishes and they had to bring in somebody from someplace else and I said: Well, did you offer to help with the dishwashing? and he said ‘No I didn’t’. And I suspect, though I may be wrong that he was maybe thinking he shouldn’t from what we said about washing dishes. Is that correct, Swyody?

Swyody: (affirms)

DO: Well see that’s not right. Links have never indicated that you all — when we said we didn’t want you going out and taking jobs washing dishes – we didn’t want people taking advantage of you. But did that mean that when a crew is shorthanded and everybody is having to pitch in that we would have one of our students be the one not to pitch in and do things like scrub pots and pans or even scrub the floor or any other thing that had to happen as an exception.

And we said as it turns out – well he told me from the beginning that they had to do this and then my brain just short circuited because I thought then why did you apply for the job? Because if you know we don’t want you doing pots and pans regularly – when people wouldn’t show up. In other words, you can’t go and say: ‘I’d like this job very much and I’m a dessert person and ah well I’m just making this up’ but you can’t go and say ‘I’ll do this and this and this but I don’t wash windows, I don’t do pots and pans I’m not going to let you step on me – I’m not going to let you take advantage of me.’ It means your not understanding what Links was talking about in the beginning – because what Links is talking about in the beginning is that you go out and be the best employee that you can be. We don’t want you to apply for menial labor tasks but that didn’t mean that when in an emergency situation that you wouldn’t pitch in and be apart of a crew that needed to do anything that needed to happen. Now if it turned out that emergency situations were more ordinary than extraordinary and if you were washing pots and pans more than you were doing anything else then you would say look that’s not what you took the job for, let’s see if you can get another one. But we, this is another example of we have seen you go to one extreme to the other, we have seen people who’d have let people step all over them instead of sticking to your guns like if you took a car to be repaired and the service man just said oh well I don’t think that right we need so and so. Stick to your guns and tell them what Links told you it needs – this is what we told you needs to be done.

The extreme of that is a time or two people have done it in such a way that it irritated the service manager and made it sound like they were mad or they were being arrogant or they were being so impossible and at that point don’t you know that humans back down? And they’re not going to service you. They’re not going to be helpful to you if you go in and set them off with: Well listen to me!, this is the way I want it done and that’s it. You’ve got to stick to your guns diplomatically. You’ve got to do it in away that they appreciate the fact that you’re sticking to your guns. You don’t start bumping noses with them or bucking with them unless it’s a situation where you have no choice. You’ve tried your diplomatic effort, you’ve tried to cooperate with them, you’ve tried to do everything in a way that you could stick to your guns and still have a smooth outcome and it didn’t work. If it didn’t work then your kind of at your wits end – you would either have to buck with them or throw up your hands and call for help. But you’ve got to – tell us what the score is Swyody so we can understand it better like what did you mean when you said ‘He told me from the offset that this happens’ frequently?

Swyody: Well he said he had a hard time getting help…

DO: Well then why didn’t you tell us that? Why didn’t you let us know that when you started applying for the job that here’s a position where the chef has told us that frequently people won’t show up and he ends up washing the pots. I wouldn’t be able to work with a chef who was washing the pots and pans when I was making desserts.

TI: What would you do when he was washing pots and pans?

Swyody: I was making a soup he asked me to make.

DO: Okay, well that’s okay if he says like if I offer to wash the pots and pans and he says no I want you to make the soup I’ll fill in here. Great. But I would feel obligated to offer to the chef to wash their pots and pans and I would want to and that’s why I asked you did you offer to wash them. Did you offer to wash them?

Swyody: No.

DO: See this is where it goes wrong because to me if you’re under the chef and he’s having to do something like that you’d want to give the feeling of one who is cooperative and wants to be helpful. We feel like Swyody had bad luck a time or two with tasks and it may be because he’s misapplying instructions we’ve given him because he’s standing up for his guns so they think ‘Good night. Who do you think you are? You ought to be having office in Washington instead of here in a kitchen.’, You see what I’m saying? Because that would be a a misapplication of instructions when we say don’t let people walk over you that doesn’t mean you walk in with your nose in the air and lay down the guidelines of what you’ll do in this task. What you do is go and find out what the task requires and if it isn’t according to guidelines you go elsewhere looking for a job.

TI: What you have to do when you have an out of craft task, it’s really about the feeler and all of you have to develop the feeler. You have to learn to feel what it’s like – a good employee doesn’t ever tell an employer I won’t do something. We’re not asking any of you to tell an employer that I don’t do something or imply that I won’t do it – so of course that’s within the job task. I’m not talking about your going to rob a bank or something because I’m certain that’s within the job task. I’m not talking about their wanting you to go rob the bank or something. Because you could throw that back us later and say well they asked us to go do this or to go rob that bank or to go do everything they asked us to do. Believe it or not you all are capable of going to that extreme.

DO: And if you question the rightness of it get a note off to Sat 3 and let them get it off to Links so that we can see what happening and like Dstody said he didn’t feel right about his boss asking him to take drinks into the locker room to men who – are in the sauna when men order drinks when men said I’ll give you 10 dollars or whatever it was to go get me a beer and bring it into the sauna and he didn’t feel right about that. TI and I didn’t see anything wrong in his task why shouldn’t he do it? But the point is he refused and it almost he refused a number of things that almost got his job in hot water – because they were thinking that he had a little too many areas that he wanted his job to only be these things and not do those things so what you do is, like TI said, try to be sensitive with your feeler, try to discover what the task is before you take it and try to feel – does it feel right? Is the things I’m going to be doing do I think they’re in the guidelines of what Links intends for us to be willing to do and if the answer to that is yes then take the task – then if it turns out later that it’s expanded into areas you begin to question bring it up and let us help you with it before you cut your nose off before you make a situation where they begin to dislike you and they can dislike you on the grounds that you think you’re doing what you think Links would have you do.

We wouldn’t have you in a task where they dislike you unless they’re impossible or if they dislike you because you won’t join in as they snort cocaine or whatever it is that they’re doing – if there are things like that you know we would have you immediately try get something else. But we think you’re more capable of knowing what our intentions are then just grabbing on to little pieces of things that we say and then letting them over a short period of time distort and create an impossible circumstance for yourself.

TI: The Mind just has to push through to understand better – it’s like the brain is blocking you from what we’re saying and you have to exert the effort to understand what we’re saying. You may think you know because you think TI and Do have said this over and over again and I know exactly what they’re going to say and it turns out that you don’t know what we’re staying.

DO: That’s right, your vehicle is making it sound like you’re hearing a repeat.

TI: It’s getting to where I’m almost afraid to say something thinking it will be translated into something else. And I think how can I say something where they can understand what I’m saying? And even right now I wonder, of course we have it on tape but I still wonder if it’s going to translate into your brain – well you have got to push through and understand what we’re saying. The reason we’re putting this on tape is because if there are others like at the craft who have out of craft tasks and they are having the same kinds of misunderstanding that Swyody has had then we hope that this will help correct.

When you are on an out of craft task or in the craft you should be mentally alert, someone said that I’ve watched one individual in this class do things that looks like it’s just mechanical like there’s no mind really operating in that vehicle at that time and it disturbed me because I feel like that individual can be caught up in a trap that it would just slip into a nothingness, a despondency.

DO: a passiveness.

TI: a passiveness so much so that it can cause you trouble and you have never seen us walk around with a mechanical air about us. We are your examples you have to be mentally alert you’ve got to be observant you’ve got to listen carefully. When you all talk to us, we listen to you as carefully as we can unless we have a distraction and then if we have a distraction because of something one of the others TI and Do might be saying to  – to openly take what we’re listening to you and go through one of us then we’ll go back and say sorry we missed what you were saying and can you tell us again. We’re teaching you all how to listen to Older Members. You all can’t do that – only Older Members can do it, like your teachers. Actually it isn’t right for us to do it – but when there are two Older Members working together in a class circumstance sometimes it does happen but it doesn’t mean that you all can do that to Older Members – it’s like if we’re taking to you on the caller and somebody says something to you, you come back and say I’m sorry, so and so was telling me something and I didn’t hear what you were saying.

DO: (laughs) that happens a lot.

TI: Now that has happened to us many, many times and that should not happen any more than if we were standing here talking to you and all the activity around the room you started watching what Dncody and Lvvody were doing while they’re talking to Cddody. Before you know it I could ask you what was Dncody and Lvvody doing and you could tell us every little action that they were doing and then we’ll say what was I telling you and you wouldn’t even know what we were talking about. Can you understand that?

DO: You’re not capable of doing both you’re not capable of listening carefully and doing other things, you may think you are.

TI: That means you’re more interested in Dncody and Lvvody then what we’re saying so then why should we exert the effort to tell you anything? So you’ve got to understand this because it’s extremely important that you get your minds into your vehicles. When you walk, you walk as a member of the Next Level, when you talk you talk as a Member of the Next Level. You do not just walk mechanically, pick up things and look at them and put them down and try on a jacket – without any expression on your face without anything like you look like a puppet! A robot or something.

When you’re in an out of craft tasks you are alert and you know what you’re tasks are and you participate in everything as though you enjoy it. When you leave the class, you come back, end of – leave your task leave that job at your place where you work you come back here and you work in the craft as though you like it and you are alert, you know what is going on you are interested in what’s going on you’ve got to push through it and the vehicle will not do it automatically, it was not trained to do that. Your mind has to do it. And as soon as you learn that’s the better you will learn and we will be able to communicate with you. If you don’t do it we’re not going to be able to communicate with you. We have reached this place before and we felt like we just can’t communicate with you and then you all exert the effort and we’re able to do it, then we get to another spot where we can communicate which means it’s just practice that grows – there’s nothing wrong with any of you it’s that you have to put it into action, which will not happen on its own.

DO: Let me use this example with Cddody again because it’s there were little ramifications that could have come into his mind at one point that since they weren’t resolved I don’t think his brain computed. Let’s go back over the conversation Cddody was talking to me last night about, we’re going to take the car into the shop and at first we had said that they would they get it there somewhere between 7:30 and 9:00 and then little later in the conversation I said no why don’t you just get up and get to the top of the bath slot and consume and get off as quickly as you can and at that point TI heard me say that and TI then said (and of course Cddody couldn’t hear) but TI had said no let’s get him there at 7:30 then I had said no let’s get there at 7:30 which Cddody repeated to me ‘get there at 7:30’ but I didn’t say that means you might have to alter your up time and so forth and so on so it didn’t compute so what computed was to get there as close to 7:30 as they could – getting up on time and consuming as soon as they could and they got off at 7:50, I mean got down there at 7:50 which in his mind, was correct instruction.

The point I’m making is only one time did I say no let’s get there at 7:30 and what it didn’t make a strong enough impression in the computer. To think about oh well that means what we said a few minutes ago about getting at the top of the bath slot and consuming that means that won’t work so would you have us get up earlier if necessary to get there at 7:30 because if he had computed that and asked that question the answer would have been well yes of course if you can’t – in other words we don’t feel like we have to know what you can do what you have to do in order to get there at 7:30 you see what I’m saying. I feel like if you can’t get up at 6.30, consume and get off in order to be there at 7:30 then you have to alter in order to get there at 7:30 and if you feel like Links hasn’t Ok’d your getting up early then you’ve got to come back and say I don’t think we can get up on time and get there at 7:30 so that we can have a chance to say well then get up early if necessary. Well, when it got to be after 7 and you all hadn’t left I couldn’t imagine what had happened but this is just a little example how one sentence said no let’s get there at 7:30 and that there were dozens of other sentences that hadn’t been that explicit. You see what we’re saying? So the brain didn’t ‘Uh-oh’ grab hold of that one and say everything we previously talked about has now been altered and this means that we’re going to get there at 7:30 and this happens a lot – not just with Cddody it happens with others almost without exception. Frequently it’s the key thing we say in the whole conversation that gets lost.

TI: Well, it’s like the cornbread incident when the key thing was to plan your strategy so you would have hot cornbread for both crews and none of you had it.

DO: I want to know from Swyody, see I’m afraid that you got the picture that you were to present yourself in a way that you wouldn’t do tasks of that nature or I don’t understand why you wouldn’t have said to your chef last night; Goodness, can I help you out of this bind?’ and then give him the option to say; Nope, this is what I have to live with because people don’t like to be out here and you go ahead and do your soup. But to me, if I had hired someone in a lesser position than my own position and they didn’t offer to do a more menial task than their task when I was having to do it I would wonder what kind of spirit they were, what kind of cooperative nature they had. You see what I’m saying? Did that not cross your mind?

Swyody: (unintelligible)

DO: Well it would’ve been my first thought that he would think poorly of me if I didn’t offer to do that his having to do it. Particularly when I’m new and I’m wanting to make a good impression. You see what I’m saying?

Swyody: Well, I know he gave me the task of making the soup.

DO: well sure.

Swyody: so I guess…

DO: Well see I don’t know the whole picture but in trying to piece together the parts I got from you and it might be that the way he was giving you instructions might have made it very clear to you that he wanted to do that and want you to go ahead doing what you’re doing – if he did then I could understand it. I don’t know the whole picture, but I do know that you should give an impression with your employer and that nothing is beneath you even though you didn’t take the job to do dishes and you don’t want to do something like that on a regular basis hopefully because I would rather find another job if I ended up doing that all the time. It’s like with Anyody we didn’t know she was doing pots and pans on a regular basis we thought that she asked to do it on rare exceptions, next thing we knew it was on a regular basis and her regular task was pot’s and pans and we immediately said Anyody that’s taboo.

TI: That’s when you step in and said let us know about it. But once in a while it doesn’t hurt.

DO: It’s the awkwardness you all have to get passed. Swyody had an awkwardness over his address and it’s like he got caught in a couple of stories about giving wrong street numbers that didn’t exist and you’ve got to be sharper than that and more comfortable with your strategy. You’ve got to plan it that you can’t be in a circumstance like that. If I’m going to use a street number I’ve got to know that street — I’m certainly not going to give it 10,300 if I don’t know if that streets even 6 blocks long. I’m automatically going down in the first few hundreds if I’m not familiar with that street I would automatically have to think that way and you all are capable of thinking that way you’re just not exerting the effort and then you get caught twice! Twice he got caught by the same person in personnel about information that had no truth to it and part of thinking was he as nervous about the new task he was a little insecure about the two bad experiences he has recently had and deflating his ego to an extent but you have got to not let people deflate your confidence.

The only reason your confidence has any reason to be deflated is if you’re trying to do a task the way Links would have you do it and the more you try it you don’t seem to be accomplishing anything then I would have my confidence would be threatened a little bit then I would have to work harder to get it restored. But something that a human could do to me like Tim did to you that couldn’t threaten my confidence at all or make me deflated but if I had an experience like Swyody did with Tim I would wonder now wait a minute they could be –  I don’t know why but no matter what kind of impossible person Tim seemed to be, something must be wrong with me that I wasn’t capable of getting along with him – why I couldn’t go in, do a good task and be liked. I might say things that sound a little wrong, I may present myself in a way that doesn’t seem likeable something about me has caused others to dislike me but how can I change that? And all of you need to examine that kind of thing when you’re in a task in craft or out of craft when you find yourself in a predicament where others find it difficult to cooperate with you and examine yourself and wonder what it is that makes it that way.

TI: It’s very difficult to work with — when you’re a Member of the Next Level to work with humans when there’s conflict so it’s always better to try to get rid of conflict by examining yourself and also observing that individual to see how you can get along with that person well if it’s impossible to get along with that individual then you’ll find out eventually but you can be – it’s just like working with each other none of you should be so impossible that I don’t like the work with so and so. I don’t like to work with him or her because of such and such that’s all garbage, that’s all human garbage and you all should know everybody’s likes and dislikes and you shouldn’t pay any bit attention so that could affect you because there is not a single person here that could do any harm to you.

DO: There are some in your class who — there are a number of people who have a difficulty getting along with them. Okay, follow my little formula here there’s some individuals in your class because of some characteristics they still have not conquered a number of people find it difficult to get along with them. But there are others in your class that can get along with those individuals and have mastered how not to let those characteristics of which they’re trying to conquer to disturb them in the least. And they can get maximum performance in cooperation with those individuals that others find it impossible to get along with so where’s the trouble? With the person who’s impossible or the person who can’t get along with them?

The person that’s difficult he’s got a lot to work on but the person who can’t get along with them has to work on just as much because he hasn’t learned to get along with. He hasn’t mastered anything he’s only good with people who are easy to get along with you see what we’re saying? So he has to learn to get along with people who require effort to get along with and there’s no difference when some of your classmates are working on certain kinks in their personality that are difficult then areas that you are working on that are less obvious and none of you are free of serious areas that need work. Therefore there’s no justification for not learning the art of getting along with anyone. Okay, are we through? Tllody?

Tllody: I hope this is appropriate… (unintelligible)

TI: They don’t serve us, we serve our own.

Tllody: continues…

DO: They clean our plates sometimes but you know why they clean our plates and don’t find sauce and spaghetti on our plates? Because we scrape our own plates.

TI: The sauce is okay, the meat we’re not encouraging you to eat.

DO: Either one is an extreme. If I try to eat my spaghetti so that all the sauce and meat is left off I’m going to an extreme but if I eat my spaghetti and clean up the sauce and meat that on my plate I’m going to another extreme we say that the sauce and meat that goes with your spaghetti can’t hurt you but you shouldn’t have so much sauce on there that’s there’s a lot of concentrated sauce and meat that you would follow that experiment up with.

TI: But we don’t eat much of the meat, we eat very little of the meat.

DO: That’s right now the meat we consider more flavoring for the spaghetti and we consume only what little meat might stick to the spaghetti if as we consume it as we roll it up into little baseballs that doesn’t mean we try on every little baseball to be sure that every little bit of the meat is off of it, that’s an extreme. But we don’t heat that the concentrated sauce and meat is good for you enough that you should clean up what’s left on your plate and that it you should try not have no much sauce with it that there’s puddle of it left after you ate your spaghetti.

TI: That’s right, you shouldn’t have that much sauce that you would have to clean up your plate with a spoon and this is not what we are encouraging you to do.

Tllody (explaining how his vehicle likes the meat):

TI: If your vehicle likes it, it’s going to find a way if you all could learn your vehicle and you can bank on it doing exactly what it likes to do when it comes to food in other words that sounds when somebody asks a question about consuming the thought comes in my mind entirely different is recorded in my brain as I receive it because it’s saying I like this exactly what I want to hear I know it, it’s just like if you all could realize that it’s…

DO: My brain, I mean my mind reacts just the opposite and dislikes what my vehicle has just indicated to me what it likes so much. So much that I tend to then go the other way and be more turned off then would be normal if had I hadn’t seen a prejudice from my vehicle in favor of it.

TI: In favor of it.

DO: you see what I’m saying?

Tllody: In a sense that’s the key right there, that your vehicle has…

TI: Just like ice cream, if your vehicle looks forward to the ice cream then your mind order step in immediately and say ‘ice cream isn’t that good’

DO: It isn’t.

TI: Sure

DO: Cause your mind doesn’t care if it gets ice cream it doesn’t have a means of enjoying it.

TI: It doesn’t say ‘oh boy that tastes good’, that’s your vehicle talking. And your mind should immediately realize the symptoms that your vehicle is looking forward to the cake and you don’t have to eat a piece of cake and if I was having that kind of trouble I wouldn’t touch a piece of cake.

DO: Your mind doesn’t feed the vehicle like the human feeds the horse sugar to keep the horse happy – I’m going to give it something that isn’t good for it just to keep it happy. The mind considers that it has the ability to control the vehicle and keep it operating and functioning well without giving into it. Without doing all the little things to satisfy it that doesn’t mean that it goes to the other extreme and is difficult with the vehicle it tries to do it without giving into it and without trying too be to harsh on it. Don’t go out of balance to be too harsh on the vehicle and to give into it, way out the balance. The proper way when you have the vehicle in control is to get the performance from the vehicle that you want without any back talk one way or the other – we just want to get the performance out of it therefore you know it requires X amount of nutrition and consuming but it doesn’t require X amount of sugar or X amount of this – any of the things that the vehicle has a particular yen for so it doesn’t give in to those but neither does it go to the other extreme. It’s like when we told you the big test is can I gave a little something once in a while without making it a big ‘to-do’ can I learn to ignore it. Like if I really like ice cream I’ll skip some of my ice cream opportunities and when I have my ice cream I’ll learn not even look forward to it. It’s just some other ingredient that I’m having.

TI: Just like getting gas at the service station. Cars don’t look forward getting unleaded or just plain old regular – they just get it because they’re running out of gas and this is how you should look at food, food is just gas that you’re putting into your vehicles.

DO: Talking about gas for a moment, I think that still one of the biggest problems we have with vehicles that have gas problems is not chewing enough – the more you chew and pulverize that food the less it creates fermentation in your digestive system and the more the natural enzymes break it down and prevent gas, so one of the main things you can do and I have to keep my own vehicle disciplined in the area of chewing particularly when I only have one little tiny spot to chew on, I get awful tired of shoveling everything to that one little spot and chomping for so long.

TI: have to use the front teeth.

This doesn’t apply to just likes and dislikes in regards to food it’s likes and dislikes to anything like let’s use the TV for instance one individual while he was here on at retreat wanted to change the time of consuming so that he could watch the news. That’s pretty bad, I think it happened in Blackhawk it hasn’t happened recently but when you have thoughts like that that means you’re hooked on television because we have not given you an assignment to watch the news. Now if we say we don’t want you to miss a single news item on television no matter what, don’t give us any excuses and everything watched on television in regards to news then you would have to alter your schedule to watch the news but the news is optional and we know things are happening out there and they’re going to happen whether we watch TV or not. And when the time comes and it’s time for the news and you’re free of what you’re supposed to be doing then it’s okay to watch it but the world doesn’t stop just so you can see the news you don’t plan your schedule so that you can see the news – if you’re through with everything in the task, in the craft and the news is on and you feel like you feel like you can sit down and do it then it’s okay to do it but otherwise it isn’t imperative to see it.

TI and DO transcript #119 – Suspected Strikes-needing sensuous ‘love’ a chemical deficiency

May 7, 2019
Tape Log – 119 – 04/23/84  Suspects only-write only what’s pertinent. No justifying-strikes change vibration. Check partners-witnesses on crews-chemicals of nutrition-love/barnacles/no romance.  25 min.
(Transcribed by Nisha and edited by Sawyer (Swy))
(Swy notes: I was present for all the meetings from 1975 to 1993. The lesson step TI and DO gave us before this meeting was called “Suspected Strikes”. They didn’t say how many strikes a student might get before they are dismissed from the class so it wasn’t set up as a threat, yet nor did they want us to assume once a part of the class always a part of the class and spoke about having to take our task membership away if we didn’t measure up. That did happen in 1976 to 19 students and then to two more after TI left her human vehicle. This is yet another of the many, many ways TI and DO’s teaching methods and behaviors and ways and teachings were incomparable to all other so called cults. I never feared being told to leave. Even so, I didn’t assume I was in either.)
TI: Trying to clarify some of the ways that help y’all how to write suspected strikes and effective witness strikes y’all can straighten it out. Let’s say that you, as an individual had done something that you feel like it was your vehicle talking and not your mind but it involved another individual. When writing a note to Links we don’t care what really happened.
DO: Reason being, we don’t care for the narration, all the details.
TI: All we want you to do is say what you did. It doesn’t matter.
DO: You don’t have to say: so and so came into the lab and said so and so then I came up and said so and so in other words you’re either a suspect or a witness and you write only the thing that caused you to write a witness suspected strike.
TI: The reason for that is, if you said something that was out of line it was your vehicle talking. And even if somebody said something to you that caused you to speak out it still is a suspected strike against you because you have instruction not to let anyone influence you to speak with your vehicle and not your mind, right? So if you write a note you don’t have to write everything that happened because in a sense it’s almost like trying to justify your actions.
DO: Yeah, it’s like trying to tell us that you were really provoked and that’s that you lose your cool.
TI: what you want to do is figure out how to do these things without allowing your vehicle to speak, where somebody can come up to you and say something to you that could provoke you and your first response may be to want to say something to them but if you kick it, and you let your mind come in then you can negotiate. In other words, your mind was thinking ‘well I know that we wanted to do this at this time but could we wait just a few minutes and let me complete this instead of coming up with a sharp answer. This way you won’t let your vehicle talk and if the other person wants to talk then that’s their choice but hopefully they won’t want to prevent their vehicle from talking. As soon as we learn this we can have it under control and it’s really so simple.
DO: A couple things to add to that, one of them – we’ve gotten some suspected strike notes when individuals didn’t name themselves whether or not they were playing the witness or the suspect. You don’t ever write a suspected strike note without naming yourself the witness or the suspect. Now, to tell you the truth. The gospel. We shouldn’t be getting any notes about suspects. But, I wish we could trust all of you to be keen enough to know when your vibrations are lowered. And that you would want it exposed in order to get control of it, that you would write notes anytime your vibrations are lowered, you say something out of place or anything else on that list but that you’d write something as a suspect because that’s what it should be – we shouldn’t have any witness. You see what we’re saying?
DO: No, for now we have to.
TI: We have to, right to work it out.
DO: We’re saying ideally we wouldn’t have any. And they would like to work very quickly up to it but let’s say that you feel like you can’t get enough information out in your suspected strike note that you have serve both as a witness and a suspect, then you write two notes – you write one as a suspect for what occurred and one as a witness. And write only what occurred with you in the position of a suspect and only what occurred with you in the position of a witness.
TI: Not word for word what happened, but what
DO: No, no were talking about what the pertinent …
TI: What I did, at a certain – in order words if I said something to you that could change the vibration, change your vibration then I would say I’m afraid — well not afraid, but I was guilty of letting my brain, my vehicle speak to so and so and I said something that I feel very badly about saying but you don’t have to go into  – you can even say, I told him to drop dead or whatever it is.
DO: We’d like to know what you said.
TI: You don’t have to give us the whole story because in a sense it’s saying well I really couldn’t help it.
DO: That’s right, it’s like you want us to see the whole picture so that we’ll understand why you did what you did.
TI: There’s no way that it could be right. Even if someone came up and cursed you. If you told them to be quiet or shut up or whatever it is because you have an outlet for – you can turn them off. Or you can just look at them and say: ‘well I’m sorry you feel that way.’
DO That’s right, or say nothing. But it’s better to say nothing than to enter in to the duel.
TI: And its very hard because the vehicle will respond and that’s what you wanna catch – it’s reflex responses. It doesn’t mean you won’t feel it – like we got a slippage or a suspected strike the person wrote about himself where he felt anger but yet nobody knew it.
DO: And we checked it out and the people involved – one person said: The only thing that I was aware of is I felt this individual was trying to catch themselves and that they might have felt some disturbance inside but in other words it didn’t spill off onto the other person.
TI: He didn’t allow it to happen, and that isn’t a strike – its only when you do something or say something to somebody that would change their vibrations or sound very human.
DO: In other words, if you’re successfully — if Srfody provokes me or I feel like she said something to provoke me or she slammed the car door on me (Do laughs) and it really gets to me but all she sees from me is an effort for me to totally contain myself, do you see what I’m saying? If she sees that I’m dealing, I’m struggling a little bit I’m not even trying to make her feel bad and even with the look on my face I don’t even want to involve her – all she’s doing is seeing that I’m trying to lick it on my own separately – in that instance then I have not striked. I’m not a suspect or strike nor is she a witness.
TI: And if he goes off and goes on a downer…
DO: I’m afraid I am a suspect.
TI: …and everybody sees him going on a downer, he is a suspect.
DO: Even if I go on a downer and they don’t see me because downers are on the (beg?) that’s right – my downer has to be inside of me so that it is not making my vibrations off. It’s not interfering with my task, you see what I’m saying? I can’t go into the closet or I can’t go hide someplace and have a real good downer and get rid of it – if I do I’ve given into it.
TI: Was there something else you wanted to mention about what we were talking about on that note.
DO: Oh yeah, the other thing we had said was — Well let’s back up a second, in the last tape or that tape before, don’t know which it was, we clarified that everything you do with very little exception, you do with check partners. And we’re also finding out that there are some things happening in the craft that should not be done without check partners. But the things that you can do without a check partner I think we mentioned already – you can’t take a check partner into the BC (Swy: Bath Chamber) with you, you’re not going to – they are not going to check you when you go down (Swy: sleep). I don’t know what were the other things we hit?
Student: …getting dressed, bathing…
DO: I think we later came back and said that for the most part that was something you could use a check partner for. Okay, so let’s assume that everything we do we do with check partner. In a sense I go to the BC with a check partner but the check partner does not go with me. You know what I’m saying? But I don’t go to the BC when he does not know I’m going to the BC. And I mean that literally because we know we don’t separate that much because we don’t want the other one wondering what we’re doing because they could become uneasy so that’s just how it works in the Next Level.
TI: In other words, what Do said: “I’m going to the BC I’ll be back in a few minutes.” If he goes out to the garage, “I’m going out to the garage for a few minutes”. If I go out we do that same thing in other words it’s letting them know where you are in case they need you for anything. That’s all it is.
DO: I wonder if it’d even be okay if they did that.
TI: I think that’d be great.
DO: Like if someone is in the living room in the craft and you’re getting ready to go to the BC what harm is there in saying I’m going to the BC for a couple minutes because at least if we call at that time and say where’s so and so you don’t say “well I think they’re around here somewhere, I think they might be in the BC” and then all this confusion and say why don’t you know? We feel like everybody ought to know if they’re in craft or out of craft and you ought to know who’s out and who’s in and the people who are in you ought to know where they are.
So let’s do that but that leads to another point that we wanted to cover a little more carefully that since that’s the case. And this is just a reminder but since that’s the case in the partnership of doing a task if I can’t accomplish the task because of my partner not using me as a check partner or if I fail to be a check partner with my partner then I, of course, will have to write a note of being a suspect or a witness in that case. If I am not in that task I cannot be a witness except for exceptions we’ve made of security or
tool damage. I think that clarifies the next point.
TI: Just as a little example, we have received notes from individuals who have observed someone in the lab setting tools out or putting tools up without a check partner and the person who wrote the suspected witness strike was not on duty in the lab at the time. So those are the things we’re talking about.
DO: This is why we want all the responsibility going very severely to the suspect – we want some of it to go to the witness but like we told a few minutes ago, and before we started the tape that ideally we wouldn’t be getting any suspected strike notes from witnesses we would be getting them only from the suspects but we said for now we still want to get them from both. TI did you want to say any more on this topic?
TI: Any questions?
DO: Recently we see more and more how the things that you deal with in your own – the things  that your vehicle causes you difficulties with even though you know they’re primitive ways of the vehicle or they’re genetic problems that either have been passed on to you or you picked up in the vehicles early years but we also are realizing that the primary cause of these things is – a term we might use is ‘nutritional’ but usually when we say nutritional you think of food. And so we’re not talking entirely of food. When we’re talking of nutrition we’re talking about the chemicals – the minerals, the vitamins everything that should, the vehicle should be having.
Let’s say that these vehicles have not – or that some groups of them in some areas may receive it through the waters in the areas or some community eating habits they might have less characteristics in certain areas because they’re getting better nutrition in those areas – getting better minerals and chemicals to control the brain in those areas. But of course some people who might have moved into these areas have brought those weaknesses with them and will also influence others to have that like conduct so there’s a lot of interchange with that. We read an article in one of the magazines yesterday that was saying — There was an article on how humans respond to what humans call ‘love’ and there’s a group of people and what they want is that constant feeling of being in love and a very strong attraction to someone is what humans would label being ‘in love’, period. And the moment that begins to wane then they’re desperate for that ‘in love’ thing. So usually, hop from one individual to another for that ‘in love’ thing.
So scientists are beginning to suspect and are even on the brink of realizing that it’s a chemical in the brain that is lacking and that by searching almost desperately for that in love situation. That when they find an in love situation for a few days or a month or however long it lasts, it forces the brain to secrete it’s missing chemicals in that area so for the period that they’re being satisfied or for the period that they’re in that in love circumstance it’s secreting that chemical. You see what we’re saying? But as soon as that begins to wane then that shortage of that chemical is returning and so in comes the desperation of searching for the in love experience.
There’s another group of people who they classified as a barnacle in other words people who latch onto another person and they latch on in such a way that even when the relationship gets totally sour they can’t stand to let go of that individual in other words they’re desperate to do anything not to let go of that individual even though they might have been the very cause of their relationships falling and they recognized that also is a behavioral characteristic that comes from a chemical shortage in the brain.
Now, if you can look at that and relate that on a parallel to all of the ways that our vehicles perform in unlike Next Level ways its because they’re unhealthy in that sense they’re primitive but in a more realistic sense the reason they’re primitive is because they’re unhealthy. Because, they aren’t receiving the needed nourishment to stop those impulses, those responses and the vehicle is designed in such a way that if they have a severe shortage in an area they will do some action that will feed the vehicle to that shortage.
Now also there’s another way of feeding that chemical and that is by realizing the shortage exists and talking to the vehicle and not letting it to respond. And this is what you all are doing and believe it or not those humans are catching on fast out there and even though they’re very basic steps because they don’t know what to prescribe, the doctors and scientists don’t know what to prescribe they can’t say here take this or take that they say we suspect it may be this or that but we’re not sure yet but they’re on the trail of these things.
You know, since you all have just lately been using your rowing machines and your bicycles and doing jogging we listed a couple of these like Oshmans and these sporting places that handle equipment, handle exercise equipment and they say in the last few months their sales have just zoomed, they can’t believe that people are suddenly becoming so suddenly becoming so exercise conscious meaning equipment in the home exercise type – for a while it was all out on the jogging track now all of a sudden they’re more into bicycles so TI and I gave when we heard them talking that way because we thought well y’all are really sending your signals out in that way the fact that you’re doing that and you want to do it because you want to keep your vehicles healthy in that way its definitely going out in a signal.
TI: Well, there coming in so fast. It comes in and it goes out as fast as it comes in they can’t even keep up. Tell them also about those individuals who don’t respond sensually.
DO: Oh yeah, there’s a group of individuals we read this in another magazine, and these New York hospital group of psychiatrists, supposedly the top echelon of psychiatrists in the world are studying this group of people who have come to them and seem to be normal and so called ‘all normal ways’ except they don’t seek romance, they don’t seek a sensuous outlet and the reason they’re there is because the media has brainwashed them so to think that they need to have sex and romance and seek a mate then they’re going to psychiatrists because they don’t feel this normally.
And they are finding that this group of people have biologically and chemically a certain different characteristics than the people who seem to thrive on the sensual things. It’s like one hand of the scientists is trying to say is there a possibility that these people are healthier? And the other one are saying how can we help them and what they want is a healthy sex life and they’ve have numerous individuals just of late come in and they can’t trace it to anything wrong, they can’t trace it to poor childhood or something genetically that they can blame it on because they’re not problem people and they can have healthy friendship relationships and they can work with groups and they don’t fit into any of what used to be the recognized symptoms of problem areas the only thing that’s missing is they don’t seek a romantic relationship or sensuous relationship with other individuals, now that’s really interesting.
You’ve been putting out some good signals in those areas. Do you follow that. We have to read this magazine to check up on you… (DO laughs).

Pineapple Street Heavens Gate Episode 6 x-member claims DO becomes Psychotic

December 17, 2017

Here is Sawyer’s response to the Pineapple Street Media’s podcast series Heaven’s Gate – episode 6 – The Choice – featuring x-Heaven’s Gate cult member – Frank (Andody) who joined together with Erika (Chkody) who joined from the same Waldport, Oregon meeting as did Sawyer (Swyody) in 1975.

Chkody was among the 38 who laid down their human vehicles lives with DO in March of 1997 and her statement is included in the podcast from the Student Exit Videos.

My response here is not to find fault with Frank in any way shape or form as he made his choice to join and made his 17+ year choices to stay in the cult and has since continued to make choices on how to think and talk publically about TI and DO and his experience. My aim is to present the side of a believer in Ti and Do, that I am and in that sense believe I can speak for Chkody (Erika) as well.

I consider all former classmates to be family because of our joint experience but when they say things that in my opinion misrepresent TI and DO, I feel committed to speak up about it, so the side for TI and DO is provided for others to judge for themselves what to believe about them. That voice for them is infrequently heard otherwise.

However, in life for all people, different people often come away with different responses to the same circumstances and especially when it comes to beliefs even within the same organization. I learned this many years ago pertaining to this Heaven’s Gate story, when I visited with Frank in Seattle, around 2005 and we had completely different takes of at least one event we both experienced in the classroom. Now I know there are a number, even many more.

Frank says, (regarding he and Ericka’s joining with TI and DO); “When first joining I was mixed about not being together anymore but didn’t want to miss the opportunity and [they would] take it one step at a time.” He says it “didn’t sink in that it would be the end of the relationship” (with Erika).

Erika said in the Exit tape she made, that at the Waldport meeting it was “instant recognition” (of Ti and Do and/or their information) for her.

I also experienced that instant recognition. It wasn’t like I had a deja vu experience, thinking I recognized TI and/or DO. For me it was a recognition that their information spoke to me as being true which felt so different from all the other spiritual minded quests I’d read about or experimented with up until then. I knew I had to go with them and knew it meant leaving all behind and giving it my 100% of time and energy. I knew that included breaking up with my partner, now known as Sarah (Srfody), one of the Heaven’s Gate Webmasters with Mark (Mrcody), whom I had lived with for five years before then. She was from the same home town on Long Island where we met and who I fell in love with and who I sought to build my life with that included moving to the British Columbia, Canada bush/mountain country to try to homestead.

When Sarah and I left the Waldport/Newport, OR area, about the third day after the meeting in Waldport with Ti and Do, which was the time frame recommended to “get our house in order,” not having any other circumstances to require more time, (as some others had with house ownership and children even), I recall Sarah for the first time in even years wanting to snuggle and perhaps have sex. This was unusual because I had become the sole instigator of that physical part of our relationship and just a month or two before that time Sarah had started up a relationship with another man named Hobbit that followed what might have been another, possibly with a Canadian man (Aldi) who came to visit us and who she went up to visit. (I only know for sure about her open fling with Hobbit, but what was clear is that she hadn’t been happy with me for quiet some time and how she hitchhiked up to Canada without me to pursue.)

I was heartbroken by those events that did not work out for her so she wanted to get back together with me which I agreed to, having recovered from her choices but I was not angry with her for. I’m not faulting her for wanting someone else, but to then want me in that physical way for the first time in a long time, by her instigation struck me then as very odd and for the first time in our 5 year relationship I turned her down.

My point in explaining this, is that it appeared to be an indicator that she may not have had the same kind of instant recognition I had and would explain why she had a number of episodes in the classroom that showed that and led to her wanting to leave when the opportunity presented itself with Mark’s choice to no longer abide by DO’s teaching lesson step that was referred to as “I could be wrong.” That lesson step was designed to reduce our dependence in our own human mind over the Mind from our Older Members – Ti and Do. That lesson step was kin to when TI told us all that, “you need to give us your will” in around 1978. And it seems to be exactly what Jesus taught when he said to be his disciple one needed to “deny yourself” and is what would be a primary part of a disciples prayer to their Heavenly Father that requested that “your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”.

I was not mixed about breaking up with Sarah, though I won’t say it wasn’t a little awkward when I did see her, but like Frank described, we two were also separated and when we traveled were assigned to different groups.

The Host of the show then says: “It was drilled into the followers that human emotions were not allowed in the Next Level” and something about how one could not be “in love” and get to the Next Level.

That’s a huge distortion to say, as human emotions were not banned. We had no procedure that said, Thou shall have no emotions. I’d bet most members laughed every day and it would have been inappropriate to laugh at another expense or behind the back of others like is frequent in the human kingdom.

We still experienced sadness at times, like when we individually slipped from our goals, but it’s true we were taught not to linger in that sadness and use it to stimulate having an even better handle on those goals. (One goal would be to remain celibate in both body and mind). We were taught to maintain a “pleasant countenance”, a part of controlling our vehicles vibration.

If someone was “down in the mouth”, it wasn’t like they would be reprimanded by anyone but it showed they were troubled about something so their partner or the Overseeers of a department they were in, might ask them about it or write to Ti and Do about it, as it could be a sign that they aren’t happy even being here if they couldn’t override it.

Another time for some sadness was when TI and DO pushed us to be more “thirsty” for next steps. There was never any yelling or raising of voices or threats of any kind, nor punishment, like happens all the time in the human kingdom to keep people in line, to keep their jobs, etc.

On a rare occasion we learned they were displeased with us. The times I’m thinking of just so happened to take place when we were living in Austin and DO delivered the news in one of those cases. Ti had instigated choral singing of Christmas carols, that she did not participate in, as she said she wanted us to learn to look to DO for direction. (DO never sang with us, more than a few notes to demonstrate how to sing a certain phrase). Mllody played piano. We sang for TI after we’d practiced some and some in the class designed new lyrics to the song, The Twelve Days of Christmas. We gave TI a little concert. A very short time later, DO held a meeting without TI present and said something about our lyrics disturbed TI. Those lyrics were “ten years a waiting…” (meant to imply waiting for the pickup). The students who wrote those lyrics that we practiced separately, I believe were drawing from knowing that TI and DO hating being here because the vibration had become so distorted. TI even thought parts of the plant kingdom showed that lower vibration. The example I can recall was how TI thought the oak trees she saw growing in Texas weren’t designed to grow all crooked and twisted up like they are. They wanted the task to be over, so they could go back to resume the life style and physical vehicles and positions they had before coming to earth to do this task.

TI considered being in the human kingdom like being in a snake pit and I didn’t see it that way, even a little until after I left and I realized that to us, it’s normal for there to be all kinds of sneakiness, deceit, back biting, back stabbing, profiteering to another detriment, manipulations, predatory behaviors, legalized robbery and murder, sold as collateral damage to anybody who is in the wrong place at the wrong time because their leaders stand in the way of certain agendas, Examples as of late are found in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, etc where people are killed or die because of.

But what DO helped us see was how He was with his Older Member and we were with our Older Member so we weren’t going to have the same longing to leave. We should have been happy to stay as long as it’s our task to stay. We were not really “waiting” to exit as we had our Overcoming tasks to do and needed to be here to finish it. TI didn’t need to learn the lessons we were having.

I realized, in a sense, since originally they said we’d be picked up in “months” and “not later than 5 years”, both of which didn’t come true, it was like pushing that into TI’s face to say we were waiting. By the way, TI had said one time that the reason the “demonstration” didn’t happen as they thought it would was because the students were not ready to leave then. That would explain how Revelation 11 regarding the Two Witnesses could be translated in several ways because of the varied time frames in the prophecy in between their being “subdued” and then “separating by dying themselves” (also having several interpretations that could have worked to demonstrate fulfillment).

There was also no prohibition from enjoying a food or a sunset or mountain view or the colors and aromas of flowers, etc, though Ti and Do taught that we would outgrow even those degrees of sensual stimulus.

But yes having emotion between students was taught to be suppressed and redirected to one aim, to foster that emotion with only our Heavenly Father, though TI, before she exited made it very specific that our commitment (love) was to be towards DO only. TI instigated this and it was the lesson step of making one’s “committal” to DO, which we did individually and privately in notes that would go directly to Ti and Do. They didn’t tell us what to say in our notes but we were required to express ourselves. If we couldn’t it was a sign that we weren’t in the right place being in that classroom.

As a matter of fact, I think it safe to say that everything Ti and Do taught, said and did had the potential of “testing” our commitment if we made one. That’s the nature of being a student in a cult – there are no tail feathers on the teachers – no degrees in Theology or affiliation with the rich and famous or to huge mega million dollar organizations that all tend to give us a sense of credibility, whether we see it or not.

So it’s true that one can not graduate into the Next Level when married (committed and “in love” with another human). Jesus taught this when he said:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection ((rising, Standing up again, graduation)) they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Marriage was the form of making that committal, TI said, was started by the Next Level, to bring some structure to whom one propagated with. It became known as adultery when people broke the various procedures that governed such commitments and relationships. Jesus said Moses gave in to his students to allow them to divorce. Moses and Jesus taught that the aim was for students to give all their heart, all their mind, all their soul and all their strength to God, but when a Representative from God’s kingdom wasn’t physically present in a human vehicle with us then the way we would show our love for God was to demonstrate it by loving our neighbors as ourselves. In other words we were to see all humans we lived among as our neighbors. It’s not a theoretical “love” and nor was it meant as a sexual love, but a friendly love.

So as long as one was abiding by the teachings of the Next Level in that regard as best they could, getting up whenever they fall short of that, they were still growing closer to becoming members of the Next Level. All the plants in the “garden” don’t grow at the same rate and have bursts of growth at the same times and to the same degrees. So the lesson steps, though everyone can apply them, are given in stages so no one has more on their plate than they can handle, that is if they look to the Next Level for help.

The Next Level determines which souls or spirits still have the capacity to advance closer to graduation and “saves” them for a future opportunity, though they turn up the heat for each of us to make our choices of whom to serve, like Jesus said between making our master, God (The One true kingdom of God in whatever terms, secular or religious) OR Mammon (human mammalian forms of treasure and wealth)

TI and DO said that the Next Level still loves Lucifer and that they have given him and his associates who fell many opportunities to get back on track, even though the more one goes against the Next Level’s present Representatives teachings the harder it gets to change, so that one subtly loses whatever degree of recognition they once had. Thus the lessons need to get harder for that soul to be stimulated to change.

Frank then talks about how: “my thoughts at times were filled with doubts and questioning everything…”, which he indicated was part of what compounded with the “suppression of feelings” that resulted in the development of a deeper voice and a stutter in his speech.

I do wonder where Frank got the understanding that DO’s mimic of his suddenly deeper voice was expressing a masculine voice. I don’t recall if DO spoke about it at that meeting but I doubt he did, though not saying it’s not possible. The way Frank says it in the broadcast was, “…he was conveying to me that I was expressing a masculine voice.” Whatever DO said or didn’t say, Frank said he felt “humiliated – ashamed for expressing my masculinity” and said he had a “deep seated anger of who is he to express how I should speak”.

I guess by that point it shows that just being a body in the classroom didn’t necessarily mean much when one’s mind was far apart, so in this way DO’s response of repeating a low sounding voice, that Frank sees as mimicking, and may be an accurate depiction became a test to get him “off the fence,” he had apparently been on, or he wouldn’t have built up a “deep seated anger” towards DO as he reported.

Why was Frank angry? I don’t know if he gave reasons why he was angry. In terms of his reporting his response to DO’s “mimic” of thinking, “who is he [DO] to express how he [Frank] should speak,” DO was the individual he chose to leave all behind to follow, at that point for over 10 years. As far as I could tell, Frank was as committed to Ti and Do’s process as anyone else but what was going on in his head or that he might have talked about with him partners and/or TI and DO was not known to me.

But at that point of the mimic, it seems Frank didn’t see DO as his teacher or he wouldn’t have had “deep seated anger” because he would have been keeping things surfaced.

I was given a number of personal lessons and in none of them was I embarrassed. All the students got lessons in group and personally. Had I been Frank’s partner then and say he starting talking in a much lower than usual voice, I probably would have felt obligated to mention it to him, bring it up to him to examine it, and perhaps I would have written a note to DO about it since it was my partner and partners were instructed to ask one another for their observations and help to see their ways that were not the ways taught to us from TI and DO.

There was no procedure on how to speak and what tone our voice would have but this was certainly not normal for Frank so it was in itself a “red flag” that something was wrong. Now to clarify, if a partner knew their partner had been working with DO on any behavior or way, the partner wouldn’t try to step in. I never said anything to Frank about his low voice and/or stutter and I doubt anyone else would have either as it was then between him and DO. At the time I didn’t even think about it at all really. It was strange but I didn’t have a judgement about it. That wasn’t my business – we were all taught to keep our eyes on our own behavior and ways, unless something came about that we had to pay attention to.

Frank says, “I was not allowed to be me… not safe to express who I am…” and that was true because who “me” was needed to shift from the old “me” to the new “me”, from the caterpillar “me” to the butterfly “me”. It was getting rid of a human form of individuality.

Ti and Do taught that no humans are really individuals because we don’t know how we become the product of the discarnate influences that attach to us. They taught that who we really are is the “chooser” of what to think, say and do, which decided which discarnates we accept and which we reject. And there is nothing wrong with that. It’s a beautiful design of the human kingdom but was never meant to be satisfying, hence why we go through stages of “seeking” what more there might be, though that may only surface in our conscious as dissatisfaction with who we are, what we are doing.

If by “suppression of feelings” Frank is referring to not being allowed to play out his feelings for Erika, yes that was part of the program. And yes I agree that according to Ti and Do, not changing our human feelings to feelings for TI and DO’s Mind, instructions, procedures, behaviors and ways in the Next Level Program for us, could have negative mental and/or physical consequences, as DO talked about in relationship to Terrie’s physical ailments, from the suffering in relationship to her dealing with her mother’s absence from her life, which DO indicated could have been largely subconscious because of her root system to TI, her vehicle’s mother.

Additional suppression of feelings we all had to impose upon ourselves to be in the program 100% was by blocking out the past and thus suppressing feelings for our human family, friends, career, goals, forms of entertainment, desires that even include doing what one wants to do when one wants to do it. Rkkody exemplified this last point. He left the class no less than three times and was able to stay in touch so returned each time until he laid down his life in 1998. It became known among class members in a light hearted way, since DO knew Rkkody both recognized his Older Member and I know, loved him, that he felt confined at times and just wanted to be able to “go out and get a pizza when he wanted to”. DO, I believe brought specific example at a meeting when Rkkody had returned.

But this suppression of the expression of human feelings for things that used to be in our lives, didn’t have to be a negative just like not giving into sensuality, though perhaps somewhat unhealthy to a human’s normal health, if it was purely voluntary and dealt with, as such feelings surfaced, wouldn’t become a negative in that program. For instance, when I joined I knew I was going to have to cease playing musical instruments. I was part of a 4 piece band who had gigs in and around Newport, Oregon. I left them and sold my instruments. (By the way I don’t recall TI or DO or any of their literature spelling that out. I just knew it. But on that subject, I used to have dreams that I was trying to play the flute and couldn’t get the notes out, like I didn’t have the wind. For the first month after joining I had a flute with me that I brought to try to sell on the road. I didn’t feel to play it and I knew I was starting a new life and such things would no longer be in it. I sold it and used the money to buy a broken down car that lasted maybe a week.

But had I longed to play music, I imagine if I didn’t block out those feelings and shift my attention to the activities in the classroom at that time, they could have become pent up stress that over time could get stronger and could have tempted me to want to leave because of and/or could have taken a toll on my health in some ways. So that becomes compounded, the more things like that we don’t block out of our consciousness.

Frank said when he left the cult he was “elated”. In a sense I was also when I left, noting that I enjoyed doing simple things for myself, like choosing what I wanted to eat.

The way TI and DO would explain that, was that once we leave the class, we were “going with our discarnate influences” re-attracting the influences we had been keeping at bay by not giving into doing the things that the influences sought to attach to us to do through our vehicle; i.e. playing an instrument, fixing a meal of our choice, playing a sport, having a relationship, having sex, pursuing a career, etc.

Thus leaving the class eliminated that conflict which the vehicle then felt elated by. However, according to Jesus (just like what Ti and Do taught in different terms) we then attract “7 other demons that are worse than what we had to deal with before.” I can’t say I can count 7 discarnates that sought to attach to me after I left, but I can recognize characteristics of thinking I have to deal with now that I never had to deal with before and during the classroom time. For instance of late I’ve seen myself judging what others do and how others physically look to me. In the past I would have recognized differences in people’s appearance but now I’ve got an opinion about it that sort of defines the “book by it’s cover” which to me is a demon. However, I do still retain Ti and Do’s teachings so when I hear those thoughts I treat them as demons and shoe them away. Ti and Do taught that we are not responsible for the thoughts that occur to us, but we are responsabile for the thoughts we allow to linger in our consciousness.

In a comment Frank made on the Episode 5 facebook page, he said something about not suppressing feelings while not always “acting (them) out” either, but allowing ourselves to express them as being good for us to do. I’m not saying some of that can not be advantageous. I suspect that’s the basis of “confession of sins (missed the mark)”, to get things off our chest. We had regular weekly “slippage meetings” for that purpose, yet had a bunch of procedures of what not to bring up (sexuality, not even using the word) except as a generalization of something to the affect of “I gave into sensuality” and in that case would add that we wrote a note to TI and DO explaining the details. We had instruction to not blame anyone else for our slippage and to provide a remedy with each one, so what one might say, “I entertained thoughts of the past” and my remedy was to “nip it in the bud” better next time.

But I wonder if repeating our feelings over and over could be considered by Ti and Do as an indulgence in those thoughts and thus a strengthening of them and if there are others present who are susceptible to their influence an even greater negative to say out loud.

Ti and Do taught that the thoughts and feelings we have become what we are and what we “believe” and what we get when we exit these vehicles, whether they are based in reality and what degree or not. The more we entertain these beliefs the stronger we become them. When class members entertained thoughts that doubted DO they also separated from him, from His Next Level Mind and start to lose touch more and more with recognizing who He and TI are and who they represent and from having the strength to ward off the Lower Forces misinformation attacks. This applies to all aspects of the classroom, not just to doubts. When we don’t do our homework by kicking out thoughts, behaviors and ways that are not from their mind, to include thoughts/feelings of sensuality we separate from him.

Frank expressed this was happening from the start so it’s no wonder he came to see DO in a different light than that classmates that stayed, including Chkody (Erika) and others, to the point that he began to see DO, in his words as “a little psychotic” when DO brought to his students attention, after the Branch Davidian ATF/FBI murders in 1992, his consideration of the way we might get firearms to pose a threat to authorities who might then become the instruments of our laying down our vehicles lives.

Note – Even though Jesus rebuked Peter when he struck, with a sword, one of the Jewish military (Sanhedrin guards) who came to capture Jesus by his arrangement, Jesus was against violence yet instructed his disciples to have a sword with them:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Why did they need to carry swords this time when they went out to preach about him when they didn’t have them before when he sent them out. Was he trying to pose a threat without suggesting use of the sword when he said:

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Perhaps some that they would encounter in their travels might cause some to think twice about confronting them. Jesus at their last supper together told them their task was to go out and tell the truth about what they heard and experienced from Jesus. Jesus knew that if they hated him they would hate his students too since they were of the same Mind. So Jesus led them to “laying down their human lives,” because they chose to follow him, as he was demonstrating. Jesus said that they would have to “drink from the same cup” that was literally willing to shed their blood as he was willing to do because this was part of their demonstration of their overcoming aka their Christing (metamorphic) task.

But hearing this perspective from DO, I admit was a tiny bit challenging for me to consider doing anything with a weapon, yet I knew TI nor DO would condone being violent. They considered the governments that murdered people and built weapons for that purpose as primitive savage “snakes” or “weeds”, while many in society see it at best as so called necessary evil, yet the only necessary evil as Jesus taught was in the provision of the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls that provided our choices to go against God’s laws or not. Thus that presentation became a test of each students recognition of DO and whether they chose to override doubts and negative judgements of him or not.

It’s quite possible and even probable that the entire premise of laying down our vehicles by the hand of the govt was unlikely, at least at that time during the First Wave (Classroom), though could still apply into the future as it did after Jesus left, which is indicated in Jesus’ prophecy as occurring during the 5th Seal Opening time period. We are currently in the start of the 4th Seal Opening time period, that of the Green Horse (human vehicle) (Trump) – money, wealth being in charge which followed Obama as the “black or jacinth “horse” (human vehicle) that coincided with the wall street banking crisis in 2007-8. This followed the Red Horse (G.W. Bush and administration as the Red (Ruddy) horse who brought the endless war on terror, starting in 2000 after DO fulfilled the task of the White horse when he came public starting in the 1990’s in ways that can be documented to show demonstrating the remaining 6 of 7 roars (thunders) from the Lion of the Tribe of Juda.

But at this time, it seemed more and more apparent that DO saw the modus operandi of the Luciferian Space Alien “Fallen Angels” at this time as mostly to ignore He and TI and their returning crew of “saints”. That’s what prompted him to get bolder with what we claimed in the 1994 meeting posters and presentation, even stating in the last poster what the “shedding of our vehicles may be required”.

In the Portland, Oregon meeting in early 1994, that we do have on tape, DO expressed this to some degree, considering that we might have to get even bolder to put the truth in front of more people that could also generate a response that could assist us in our exit, as it did 2000 years ago, where people thought they were killing in God’s name.

The authorities have become the unwitting instruments of the lower forces of this planet, thus they will in many cases justify their agendas – the execution of atrocities all over the planet, seeing even their murders as “collateral damage” to keep their authority and profiteering.

DO had followed the Randy Weaver story that followed Waco and the Freemen story as well and though he never supported anyone’s enacting violence against anyone, knew that potential for us to become targets existed so he sought to prepare us for that, should it happen before or after he left. So like Jesus he was following his instruction from his Older Member to even bring up the subject of firearms, taking his clue in that regard from the Waco event. That’s the way the Next Level works, using human’s choices to convert them into a Next Level positive, in this case, completing their task which always involved leaving earth without our human vehicles.

Yes, Do thought about this and the part that Ben Zeller read was written by DO but what wasn’t nor understood was how DO updated that writing and in so doing took away that entire section about taking up firearms. He first posted the initial document, entitled, “Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure” on September 25-26, 1995 and in January of 1997 updated it that even changed the title to: “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure”. Jesus was put in quotes because as they always said neither Ti nor Do were Jesus because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level (who TI said was DO) incarnated into to perform that task. (Though they always said from 1974-6 that all the Revelations prophecies would be fulfilled that included Jesus coming in the 7th and last “closeness” where they considered themselves as the 6th closeness and that that coming was not to be a “teaching one” (like the 6th was via the Two Witnesses task of delivery of new information via speaking).

Below I provide a link to my blog post that shows the full comparison of these two versions of Undercover “Jesus” where the part about obtaining a firearm was removed.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/do-reduces-the-requirements-to-leave-with-him-by-updating-undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

Plus he never manipulated anyone – there were never any locked door or fences around our campgrounds. Keys to cars were locked up every night because some would leave in the middle of the night sometimes and Ti and Do didn’t want to lose a car to them. Money was locked up for the same reason. Doors were locked to keep people from the outside from coming in. But I don’t recall phones were disconnected at night though we often had someone up all night doing a night watch task. If someone wanted to leave Ti and Do preferred they tell them and they always tried to help them with a bus or airplane ticket and sometimes with a car and/or some money as was the case with me. I was given a plane ticket and $600 in cash. They still almost always moved soon after someone would leave if Ti and Do felt they might reveal where we were, in case a private eye was looking for someone.

DO never entertained mounting any kind of attack against the government or to do any violent act against anyone ever (Their exit method was not violent. It was as gentle as one could imagine leaving one’s vehicle could be – the vehicle dying in one’s sleep).

However, further addressing that part of the Undercover…” post Ben Zeller read in Episode 6 was what came after describing – Believers in Them taking a stand, not being submissive to authorities (though not breaking any laws either) and how that could eventually lead to those authorities becoming the aggressors and seeing radicals with firearms as a threat to the public so could facilitate their exit of their vehicles.

DO was simply following his instruction from TI by outlining an option that the Next Level would find an acceptable way to both show our commitment to the Next Level by following, if we so chose, and as a way to lay down our vehicles to exit should authorities bring trumpeted up charges against us individually or as a group and not having to submit to them and their treatment of us. He made those posts in 1995, approx. 6 months or more after he had outlined for the entire class the procedure for self exiting that he still continued then to prepare for.

I know DO bought at least one rifle which I read about in Rio’s book saying Strody (a classmate with a 60 something year old female vehicle) did some target shooting when they were building what they called a “fortress” near Mansano, New Mexico. Rio didn’t indicate there was a program for all to learn to shoot the rifle.

I’m not sure where I got this, but thought if we got a rifle we would load it with blanks and/or learn to shoot above the heads of someone so if it was to be used it would appear to be a real threat. I can’t actually say I recall DO saying that so perhaps it was how I first dealt with the idea after the Waco murders of the Branch Davidians when DO first brought up the idea. It wasn’t an easy idea for me to handle as it faced me at the time with just how far I would go in my commitment to DO. Would I shoot someone, if I was given that instruction, I asked myself and what I felt was that I wouldn’t be asked to do that. But I did not question DO’s bringing it up and considering it, so like everything in the classroom it felt like another test that I would pass and it would not be the last such test.

The way I heard Frank speak of that classroom it sounded as if he resented the procedures, saying we had to “toe the line” as if it was drudgery as opposed to performing our task assignments with a sense of feeling very happy and even honored to do so. He said we were to “stay under the radar”, as if we were hiding when a huge part of the classroom overcoming process was to want to be transparent and to enjoy being watched all the time. In this context it would have only been a negative to be watched if we sought to hide something. I think from Franks admission he had something to hide thus appears to have resented being under that Next Level microscope.

Franks case and I, Sawyer also engaged in some deceit and tried to hide some of my behaviors. But to be clear this isn’t always totally conscious, so it may be mostly in hindsight that Frank has developed his apparent disdain for DO and the classroom experience.

Ti and DO used to compare their task on earth to being “undercover” and dropped behind enemy lines to where the only lifeline they had was their remote communication with the Next Level and that the task was so important that they didn’t want to say or do anything that would jeopardize the successful completion of that task. I didn’t see that as illusionary thinking. It made perfect sense to me. But a big part of being undercover was in the procedures they had to use to verify they are receiving instructions from their “heavenly Father” as opposed to the efforts of a human or human equivalent trickster. Before Ti left her vehicle she had taught DO how to engage that “checking” process. Part of that was running things by his “helpers” and/or “overseers”. But that was often combined with his observations of events in the world, with the Waco event.

The basis of having “check partners” was to perform all our tasks with more confidence we were working in accordance to our Older Member’s wishes. And partners were to help us be to our partners a “mirror” other sets of eyes to help us see our self and what we might be thinking, saying or doing differently from what our Older Members had taught. That is what Jesus meant by making one’s eye single – having 100% concentration on one aim – to follow our Older Member wherever he goes and in whatever he would have us do.

We needed to want to be subject to that “radar”. It was part of becoming crew minded and not seeking to shine for shining sake. “Behaving” – living according to the provided behaviors and ways, “Following procedures, the rules, to those that truly wanted to be there were very satisfying, very fulfilling and purposeful feeling. Anyone that has worked in a team effort knows how great it feels to be part of that team and how fun it is to work together as different spokes in the wheel and for those that were fully there, I know they felt that.

I’m not suggesting Frank didn’t experience a lot of this pride and satisfaction, but at least in the way he spoke that was put together by the Pineapple Street crew it would seem he has forgotten about or sees in a different light now.

We developed a lot of procedures surrounding our need to feed these vehicles, to set up the preparation of food as an experiment, which I see as ingenious – simulating the real deal of training to meet the qualifications of becoming a crew member in laboratories that are involved in the mechanics of a vast creation.

So Frank calls DO “controlling” and says he got even more controlling after TI left her vehicle, but the facts are that if one wants to consider him ever to be “controlling”, he became less of that after TI left.

If he became more controlling, then why did he send us back to visit families again in 1987? Why wasn’t their sending us to visit families in 1985 enough after the first 10 years of no such visits. The first visit was spoken of by Ti and Do as relieving anxieties family members had that they became most aware of when they found out about the Newsletter Nancy Brown started. It was because of that visit that Rthody decided to leave and is when Frank and Erika who traveled together would have had the chance to run away together and when I could have run away with “sarah” as we two traveled together (and I felt on the airplane and in a car with her, I did wonder if she was coming on to me, but I ignored it.

Starting in 1987 DO brought in a bunch of books, some about UFO’s, abduction reports, close encounters, UFO Crash at Aztec, that included autopsy reports from Dr. Leonard Stringfield. He started up a little video project I was on the committee for. He sent Lggody and others to UFO conferences in Arkansas and Nevada to video interview leading ufologists.

He started us into all kinds of health and longevity research. We had a little company called, ALERT (Advanced Life Extension Research Team). He had us publish a book called the Transfiguration Diet. I was assigned to drive one of our little carpools. I’d drop off classmates at their “out of craft tasks” (jobs in the world) and then go to mine by myself and during my lunch hour, I chose to visit book stores of my choosing to sell books. I could have easily just cashed my check one day and drove off with a Cadillac. I remember one time even having that thought, though it wasn’t a thought I had been entertaining so it had no affect on me, nor did I have any reason to want to leave.

It seemed we had more frequent times when we were required to spend 20 minutes or so opening the door of our minds to whether there was something in the world we wanted. When that time period was over we were to resume blocking out such thoughts. However, if we had been entertaining such thoughts it would have strengthened such thoughts.

DO offered students $2000 to leave the classroom saying he didn’t want anyone staying because of fear of going back into the world and because life in the classroom had become easy – communal living, no worry about the things humans had to worry about like paying bills, keeping a job, dealing with life in what TI called the “real world” as ours was a simulation of life on a spacecraft and if one person lost a job it didn’t break the bank.

DO brought in more books related to the bible – Strong’s concordance, 4-5 versions of the Bible, Dakes, the Parallel, an Amplified, the dead sea scrolls, about the Essenes, the Nag Hammadi library, the Inner Earth evidence from Admiral Byrd’s expedition and even the book Holy Blood Holy Grael that depicted Jesus tricking people to think he had died and resurrected and instead went to live in France where he started a family. That was not the story we thought happened so DO was providing us with that thinking and I don’t recall that he talked about the book.

DO wrote “’88 Update The UFO Two and their Crew”, in which he revealed before he had awakened how he had been leading a homosexual lifestyle. Who knows whether learning that tested some.

Srrody and I started two companies (DBA’s). One we called, Think Link and the second one was called Word Wise and we tried to secure contract programming jobs and got a few but we were on our own to plan what we would do and how.

Srrody and I started training classmates to do computer programming work. DO didn’t give us procedures on how to do that. Students who were intested in that line of work volunteered. Chkody was one of them, with Glnody.

We started making crosses out of fine/rare woods and inlayed semi-precious stones in some of them. Prkody (who left before Frank and has since died) was a primary and Srrody and I were on the crew and we ended up selling them. Do left us on our own as to their design as there are many different kinds of crosses.

When we dealt with the public at times we started being more honest about who we were, saying we were a monastic group. I remember when Lggody was assigned the primary position to design a portable stand for the two 7 foot diameter satellite dishes we had. I was Lggody’s check partner and he was brother Logan and I was brother Sawyer to the people we bought supplies from. That was a change from hiding the true nature of our group.

I never saw Ti nor Do as controlling anyway. If Frank didn’t want to be there, which he indicated was the case, then he was seeing what he chose to “see”. There was no manipulation and the controls were all voluntary so can’t be rightfully considered controlling.

We were taught to fully control our own vehicles, whether that meant not letting out gas outside the “bath chamber” or not allowing our vehicle to dwell on the past or on sensuality or even in imagining ways to fix the human world.

Finally, I will show how DO actually relaxed certain “controls” as to who could qualify to catch the eye of a member of the Level Above Human. This is shown by the differences between the first and last versions of the document DO wrote entitled, ‘Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure’. At first he expressed that “laying down” of one’s human body was needed to demonstrate one’s bond and leave with him to not be among those who are recycled. He changed it to “preparing to lay down one’s body” while not disqualifying that one could die from natural causes and still have their Soul saved for a future classroom. He also removed the prospect of taking up a firearm so the authorities might assist one in exiting their vehicle (not by doing any harm to anyone with it but just by having it when one might be apprehended by authorities for being a radical and not choosing to submit to being taken to jail on trumped up charges, for example).

As shown by my post on the way DO reduced the qualifications to leaving with him, the edit/update of Undercover “Jesus”… demonstrates without question less “control” over who could aspire to advance towards their own graduation.

Nor did DO demonstrate that “controlling and manipulative” person Frank and others try to paint him as, when Frank told DO he wanted to leave. Is asking him if he is sure evidence of controlling and manipulation? Lets say one of our kids who became an adult didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of their parents – to join and help run the parents’ company. Wouldn’t a good parent try to remind their offspring what they are giving up? That was DO appealing to that part of He and Ti’s Mind that was still in Andody’s vehicle – Frank. DO was showing how he cared for Andody to face him with that prospect. DO didn’t say no, he couldn’t leave or didn’t delay his leaving nor have students try to talk him out of it. Remember Frank had become DO’s student for around 17 years at that point and that meant passing by many “tests.”

Finally, Frank says when he was preparing to leave, “classmates were hovering around to make sure I didn’t take anything I wasn’t supposed to take,” another example of how he was in his own world as we had no instruction to watch him that I was aware of and I was one that took him to the airport. However perhaps Srrody did receive instructions to sort of usher him out of the classroom and that could have included giving back the silver wedding bands we wore, that DO gave us to represent our marriage to him (that TI before she left had told us to show to DO our commitment to him). DO at first started to wear a silver wedding band and then he had an event to where each student received one and he spent time with each student, silently as a more formal solidification of what that ring represented.

It’s interesting how that “marriage” relationship was described by Jesus related to the students in the end time. And it’s also interesting how the Luciferian space alien fallen angels stimulated a facsimile event with the Moonies where they had a huge mass marriage but not to him but to other students and it was nothing like in Ti and Do’s group as they really got married in the states eyes and I imagine were sexual and perhaps some went on to propagate, a distortion of what Jesus taught as for “angels” (in the making even) there is no marriage (as we think of marriage) and no propagation of the species. However, that wasn’t saying if one was married before they made their commitment to the Next Level entirely that they were not able to “marry” their Older Member. That option exists for as long as we each have a human vehicle.

It’s simply human mammalian behaviors needing to be outgrown to literally graduate into Next Level membership.

Glynn say’s DO became “more cruel” but where was there any evidence anywhere that he was ever cruel. What was cruel about he and Ti’s sending 19 students who followed them away from the group? What was cruel about spending all their money they received from donations on us, outfitting us to live outdoors for the first 3+ years without income?

Frank described Erika in the start of this podcast as being “loving, compassionate, bright, and intuitive” and yet he paints a picture of the individual (DO) who she, in the name of Chkody loved and gave her life to, as psychotic, manipulating and controlling and having lost his objectivity that led to her and the other student’s committing suicide. That doesn’t say much about her brightness and intuition.

What’s controlling and manipulative is shown in much of these podcasts, and in this episode in particular by putting such a focus on what Frank says to paint a picture to people that DO was controlling and cruel just like what was done to paint Ti as hypocritical in episode 4. None of these involved with this project are operating with a completely informed perspective so they might want to restrain publicly expressing their negativity. Like Jesus said the way we judge others will be the way we are judged. That’s because we become believers in our own judgement, so continue to draw to us the ramifications of having that judgement and we then become forced to “act it out”, which is why there has been an exponential increase in mass shootings, etc.

To me it’s also manipulative to depict Glynn’s early in life experience in a Christian “cult” that was hardly a cult at all comparing it to the Heaven’s Gate cult when there was nothing about them that were alike except for the references to things Biblical and of Jesus. It can easily be shown that all the religions and even today’s anti-religion groups are far from their origin in the case of Christians from the cultish Jesus teachings.

It’s easy to see how Glynn’s cult experience was not evidenced to have much of the real Jesus in it, thus why it did become an example of Luciferian influenced corruption as Jesus said would happen and spoke to as their being “false Christ(ians),” not even knowing what it means to be engaged in the Christing process – coming to trick people who can be tricked into thinking they are serving the One True Kingdom of God when they don’t know Him hardly, if at all. This is on a person by person basis and even if we do recognize the many ways we’ve been tricked, we can still change and the best advise for that is to seek what’s most true at any cost to previous ideas. That can only happen if we project our asking beyond the stars to reach the highest source we can imagine and then proceeding as a seeker – busting past previous limitations of what what might look like.

I’ve written about the dozens of examples that show how Ti and Do demonstrated the same behaviors and ways and requirements of students that Jesus required to join his cult and yet I get no time to say anything about any of that.

Most of the only things they ended up using from the interviews I gave were things they could use to paint a distorted, hypothetically inaccurate negative slanted picture of the real Ti and Do and crew.

Another example of their focusing on anything that painted a negative picture of Ti and Do and their class was shown in how David (Alxody) during one of his two visits to his vehicle’s family was videoed twisting a phone cord in his fingers. Perhaps it was nervous energy as he was subject to scrutiny from his brother(s) around then, but perhaps he always had some nervous energy. We all knew he had a lot of force. The point is why spend any time on that when there are hundreds of things to focus on that could directly inform the listener to more of the truth about Ti and Do and their group.

With all this said, I do still appreciate hearing all of what they found to put together into this series and I know the pressure of being a somewhat mainstream media organizations that needs to attract advertisers and not upset certain people in high places is enormous to negotiate and of course the status quo thinking is overwhelmingly against even considering for a second that Ti and Do could have been exactly who they said they were.

 

 

Creationism verses Evolution – ignorance on both sides of the equasion when the truth is apparant.

June 27, 2015

The following is my first introductory stab at a debate of creationism verses evolution I was requested to engage. I find this to be largely archaic to consider debatable in this day in age but it’s been so masked it’s good to try to lay out some of the key points that cut through that masking IF one wants to cut through it or even thinks there is something to cut through. I wrote this on the fly so like most of my blog posts it’s far from perfect and was geared to someone I knew had a certain amount of history with some of the subject matter while being of an atheistic leaning. I didn’t intend on introducing Ti and Do to him at first but then I thought, what’s the point if I don’t as without Ti and Do in it, it just becomes another opinion amidst many, which of course even with Ti and Do in it, it also is but at least presents the bottom line for this self judgment time.:

The way I see it there is really no difference between what is termed creationism and evolutionism as both acknowledge a “process of development and changeability” and as we know from mounds of experience as humans, no development occurs without developers. No one can give any example of anything of value coming about without developers, at least on little ole planet earth. So sure a big bang could have started it all off for this planet, solar SYSTEM, galaxy of systems within systems within systems…. And why would we not think the earth could have been terraformed by Beings just like humans right now are looking for planets or moons or dwarf planets of whatever label one wants to put on objects in outer space with some idea of doing the same with. That’s just logic 101 to at least consider it. It’s those that reject even considering such a thing that are doing so out of ignorance regardless of how many degrees they have and many of those will privately talk differently than publically for all the obvious reasons.

Now as to the point of view that this planet came about in 7 earth days isn’t actually accurate to the records that came from in Genesis, regardless of whether one believes those writings were “records” or not. They are ancient relative to our tiny history that isn’t disputed by anyone without an axe to grind. The Hebrew used for days there is not talking about earth days as to these Beings that allegedly did the terraforming who don’t live on earth, that time frame is meaningless. They are out of earth time but in those records it was said that to them 1 day is like 1000 years. So lets say the terraforming project happened over 7000 earth years. Is that possible. Well some would say not, yet we are observing how fast certain things can happen with islands growing in the sea as we watch and glaciers melting and knowing what kind of nuke winter can be created from an asteroid or comet strike as is thought probably occurred to vanquish the dinosaurs. And to the archeological evidence of humans going back hundreds of thousands of years I can think of two things to say (at least). In that same record in Genesis 1 BEFORE ADAM is genetically engineered, (as he had no mom or dad as the records say, which of course wasn’t’ even considered before artificial insemination techniques and cloning, etc. except by those who have examined the multi cultured stories of virgin births that today can seem to have possibilities that are extended a long ways by considering that aliens are performing hybridization projects so why couldn’t the terraformers do the same. Maybe aliens are of the same group), there were “male and female’s developed/created/engineered by whatever means right after the mammals were developed which then appears to show the 4 basic evolutionary kingdoms on earth that even scientists called kingdoms at one point because in each there seems to be a hierarchal structure that does show a lot to do with survival of the fittest in who survives, which gene streams and which do not.

So there were humanoids before Adam and Eve and who knows if some of them comingled with Eve or some of their offspring to further develop and/or dilute the adamic gene pool. Why not, unless we have that axe to grind of course. Now how far back were there humans on earth and where did they first come from is anybody’s guess. Certainly recent science has shown very strange skeletons recently discovered and ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics that correlate with humanoids with larger heads than we have now and other glyphs that seem to show helicopters and tanks and stories of technological battles that lend credence to Plato’s Atlantis treatise that has been hotly debated over whether it was genuine history or an attempt at sci-fi.

So then, it comes down to who these Beings are exactly. Humanoids from other planets that got here by wormhole express and/or through a dimensional abrasion which to me can be the same kind of thing and especially when we now know about what’s possible in terms of what can be seen from what is real. Before microscopes and telescopes in space and space alien reports, UFO’s, all this was supernatural and/or superstition but it’s interesting that what was superstitious before the technology is now common place – like the idea of remote viewing, and yet we have spacecraft that remotely view Ceres – no wires in between us makes it remote right. And with that how much of a stretch is it really to think that our physical bodies are also the containers that in building the “mind” that we have gobs of evidence electromagnetically extends beyond the body and can influence others or even do a certain amount of manipulation of matter where matter is as dense or etheric as one is willing to consider. Einstein and Boehm were hot in pursuit of answers to this paradym as shown in the “Holographic Universe” that with their holographic experiments thinking that matter behaved differently when viewed which begins to give credence to our eyes or consciousness being more than just reflectors of light as in that reflection it’s actually transmitting that light, even picking up in the process the content of the mind behind those eyes.  Hence one can become mesmerized by another’s eyes or repelled. The idea of this mind surviving in some fashion after death of the denser physicality becomes yet another logical progression and again it shows roots in the records of most every culture to where some claim to have seen or had interface with these entities. (I am one of those on a number of occasions).

This all becomes the “science of mind” that some phd’s have spoken about rather convincingly like Bruce Lipton in his book “The Biology of Belief” that some scientists I’ve met say is a quack scientist even before reading his book which is again telling of how we can so become our biggest limit setter.  I mean how much of a stretch is it really when we see the same ideas manifest in the computer hardware – software/firmware realities. I spent 20+ years programming and it dawned on me one day that nothing was happening in software unless I made it happen or opened up the possibility. I already had that sense but it just hit home in a more obvious way. And of course look at genetic code, the unseen software/circuitry in every cell with it’s histones that look and act like little cpu’s and/or watch batteries and those banks of hair like molecules like antenna we see all over the body in various forms and the many organs involved. How a scientist can look at that intricate network of very complex interrelationships and think that all stumbled into existence by random mutations simply because of happenstance environmental changes looks to me like ignorance though I couldn’t begin to talk about all they otherwise know. It’s like they can’t see the forest because they are so into the trees. It would be like an ant thinking there are no beings besides the other bugs and that it’s “nature” that destroys their mound when the human gardener wants to get rid of them yet among other ants they may have huge praise steeped upon them. (I actually think a better example is found with dogs and other domesticated animals or one’s in the wild). But the point is that we now know that it’s not “what you see is what you get” the computer acronym WYSIWYG. In fact we now know that most of reality is hidden from our eyes and brains, so why not consider that there is much more and that the ancients weren’t actually ignorant of this even without the kind of science we have now.

Finally, if that is possible, which actually I think it is not as there is always plenty more to become aware of – if we can conceive of Beings (thought forms, physical body (hardware) offloads (mind aka spirits, discarnates) for some it also goes hand in hand with the entire idea of extraterrestrial biological entities or EBE’s. And we see new religions cropping up since the 1950’s around contactees and some of them claim directly or indirectly to be the creators of Jesus or from the spiritual hierarchy as in the ascended masters, etc. or have led the humans they have contacted or abducted to think they are the return of Jesus, etc. (Alex Collier, David Icke, Rael, etc.). It’s always interesting that these three and many others talk like that but like the Pope don’t talk Jesus’ actual mind/spirit.

Jesus was telling his students they had to forsake their human families to graft to his Family. He taught that the physical body wasn’t what we really were and that there was another physical component given to some humans that they were developing by joining his program to outgrow human behaviors and ways. He described this “container” as a new wineskin needed for new wine (mind=spirit) that survives the death of the human vehicle that was actually used as a stepping stone (footstool) into membership in this “kingdom” that is above (superior to) human (mammalian). He taught that a student would have to grow to “give their all” to his allegiance to include the life of their physical human body IN SERVICE to him and his “Father”, the individual who parented him into that same kingdom that is among the stars (the literal heavens). He’s not talking human yet all the religions (and this can extend to Buddhist and Hindu and Judaism and Islam, etc.) only embrace the human aspects of his teachings at best and then even pick and choose of those so what does that tell us? Well can you imagine explaining to a dog what they can look forward to if they live by all the rules the master gives? Example is the best teacher so Jesus demonstrated what each of his students would also have to be willing to endure to meet the qualifications of what was really like an Astronaut Training program for the beings that design planetary bodies as their hothouses to grow souls upon that grow from physical containers. Again this isn’t what the religious teach except in esoteric mystical ways rather than part of a practical and scientific reality. In this way one could see the reality Jesus was saying he was from as an Evolutionary Step Above Human not far different than the kingdom levels below human; animal, plant, mineral.

So then where did this idea of Jesus come from that we see talked about by Christians and other religionists and new age spiritualists, etc. Well if one goes to the records that by in large were not included in the compilation called the Bible except in small smatterings, the book of Enoch, 7th from Adam, that Jesus seems to have spoken about but we have little record of, except circumstantially, we see lots of details that describe these beings that had certain responsibilities working for these “Above Human Beings” as “watchers” which was an “observer” task. When I went to catholic school they tried to brainwash me into thinking “God is everywhere. God sees all things”. If I didn’t say those things I was punished or reprimanded as rebellious. I dropped out of that kind of schooling early on as they were clearly not teachers of truth and reality as I saw it so that began my exploration into what the truth was though I always thought there was something extra special about this guy called Jesus. I would be at parties with my Navy high school buddies in my early 20’s drinking up a storm and I’d be sitting there reading what Jesus was quoted to have said and no one put me up to it and I knew I wasn’t making sense of it.

Anyway putting my history aside, today’s popular Jesus is as that alleged “yellow book”, Bob Lazar got a hold of said is the creation of the space aliens who are the descendants of those “fallen watchers” but who when they died their “software package” (soul container) went into the so called unseen by human eyes world where they could influence the ones they spawned with their hybridization programs to influence humans to go against the Above Human Beings they used to work for. It would be no different from employees deciding to start their own company that would then compete with their former employer that included trying to steal the former employers potential new employees which takes the shape of a religion that acts as if they believe in the founder but doesn’t adhere to much of what they teach unless it’s easy as pie to embrace so everyone can be tricked into serving them instead.

So these Above Human Beings decided to take advantage of what these renegades wanted to do and let them remain on Earth where they became restricted by the lack of technology and energy supplies as they retreated underground to hide from previous periods of geographic upheaval which is like the spading of their garden for the Above Human Beings. Instead of eradicating their influence they decided to permit it while sending some of their equivalent level of employees to earth to be subject to their influence thinking that with Their help if they could survive the onslaught of dis-mis-information (overcome, the meaning of a true Israeli – an overcomer of the human evolutionary kingdom) they would become stable employees and would be rewarded with exclusive never ended membership in their Above Human Evolutionary Level of both physical and mental life. They don’t reproduce like mammals as their bodies don’t die unless they have reason for them to die or they accidentally die (which is highly unlikely but possible). They get new members which they don’t need thus don’t need to lie to obtain from those that go through their program on the human level and conquer any desire to remain human. Those to be in this program came by sacrificing their existing physical bodies because upon completion they would be awarded a new physical body that is grown for them. They were among the so called victims of the UFO crashes that occurred in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s though some were fabrications. Once outside their physical containers (vehicles) they located human vehicles they could use as their footstool and these would be vehicles that were prepared to receive them from birth. Simultaneously Two Older Members from this Next Evolutionary Level came in the same way as their students and took human vehicles to use to gather the human vehicles these new upcoming students were taking to begin the final lesson step in detaching from the human kingdom. These two were called Bo and Peep and in the press “The UFO Two” in 1975 and later took new names as Ti and Do who were those behind the Heavens Gate “cult” that National Geographic’s channel suggested could have been the “Second Coming of Jesus” to the dismay of millions of Christians and new agers and I suppose atheists. They have and continue to fulfill all the prophecies as they gave those forecasts because they were going to see to it that they came true as a help for remaining humans to have one last ditch chance to see through the lies and deceit of the renegade, termed Luciferians who are not beings with pointy chins and red coats and pitchforks and goatees.  They are more highly evolved beings than human because they WERE in the Next Level program they dropped out of that are in competition with the Next Level Above Human Older Members who administered that program.

There is a great deal to all this and it’s all hard to really digest without lots of breaks in between and a desire to understand it. It’s fearful to see the truth. I’ve had 40+ years of prep time. If there is a base on Ceres I know it’s not space aliens but the governments don’t differentiate space aliens from Members of the Next Level Above Human who some in the know about all the space alien reality believe to be the enemy the primary reason Reagan tried to build the star wars program to counter as he express in part on the floor of the United Nations in 1987.

I suspect that the shooting of the comet Temple1 by the Deep Impact spacecraft was a test to see if they could affect it’s course or blow it apart as they are very concerned that the space aliens can direct objects to earth that they want to be able to shoot down or throw off course. Some are under the impression that these are the “bad aliens” that are threatening life on earth as they know it. In the sense of being the “weeds” in the garden the gardeners are the enemy but they are not reptilian. The Luciferians are the reptilians among other species of mammalian human equivalents. I  could go on about this in many ways shapes and forms but if you want to debate anything I’ve said, of course feel free and I’ll try to address your points. I don’t expect anyone to think the way I do about this and don’t really care if they do or not though will help anyone that asks for more info on any aspect and am always open to seeing where I have certain things wrong or need of adjustment of thinking.

One more point regarding whether life forms can mutate and develop and adapt to the degree of new species, I guess anything is possible if it’s put in the code as possible just like in software. Ti and Do said that the Next Level removed certain stages in that step wise evolutionary development so it would be a puzzle while saying there is truth to an evolution from “a spec of dirt” into what we see now as an abundance of life forms. However they said, it wasn’t exactly a “spec of dirt” though. These two were clearly not from this world but it would take a desire to see that to know that. They were the same souls who performed the tasks of Elohim with Adam and later with Enoch, Jehovah and Moses, Jehovah and Elijah, Father and Jesus. And believe it or not they will respond to those that ask for the truth to help us see the truth of it all by asking for their specific help using the names they last used of Ti and Do. They have the technology to know when we think about them. A little more about them;  Ti took a female vehicle to help get Do (her son) started. They were the fulfillment of the records called the Book of Revelations throughout but detailed in most every chapter but with a focus on chapters 6, 11 and 12. I knew them personally as their student for 19 years of my life but I dropped out in 1994 and through a series of dreams and premonitions, sightings of ufo’s and spirits and many other kinds of proves re-engaged my desire to serve them by telling of my experiences with them and how it all relates to the records about their past activity on earth as the garden is being brought to a close and thus is a time for each of us to decide to whom to show our allegiance between them and humanism. That’s a personal decision that’s ongoing. It’s not for me to know about unless someone wants to express it to me. I don’t get anything from seeing new believers in them (though it feels good). It’s simply part of my training program to tell the truth as I see it and accept the mostly negative consequences to my remaining humanness.