DO and Crew wrote a document that is still posted on the heavensgate.com website that is entitled, “Our Position Against Suicide”. It and another document in the Heaven’s Gate Book posted on that same website, entitled, “Evolutionary Rights for Victims” states; “In contrast, human suicide (identifying as the body and trying to “end it all” for the purpose of avoiding the growth pains of lessons) gets you nowhere.”
We can only get lesson we need by having a human vehicle. Our vehicle is our gift for growth of the Soul. It’s the only way we can grow our Next Level Mind – buy overcoming all the challenges we face in the human kingdom and making a positive out of each of the negatives.
Members of TI and DO’s Class were no longer human. They still had human vehicles but their Minds had grown to have sufficiently overcome enough of their humanness so that TI and DO gave them the choice over years time to choose to stay or leave the way they did. DO said they weren’t doing anything wrong if they wanted to stay. (This is on one of the many audio tapes they left behind).
So now to the basis of this post…
In response to anyone who thinks that the idea of giving one’s life is not something Jesus would do, said by people who disqualify DO and TI as the return of the Older Member Soul in the vehicle named Jesus and his Older Member then referred to as his Father in the outer space heavens, on board a spacecraft, because of their chosen method of exiting their vehicles on their own terms, in time and place and method, I compiled some of the evidence that, based on these records, they are misinformed.
Below are some of the sayings of Jesus that pertain to his and some of his disciples choosing to perform tasks for the Kingdom of Heaven that they know will result in their losing the life of their physical body but know it won’t destroy their Soul:
Here Jesus says he was going to “lay down my life” for his sheep (students) given him by the Father.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Then he says his Father loves him because “I lay down my life” knowing he would take it up again.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Then he says, No human (man) takes it [his life of his body] from him. In other words humans didn’t take his life from him.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
He gave it. He layed it down, in other words turned the other cheek, allowed them to capture him knowing he would die by his own choice and also knowing it was his right to do so because it was a commandment (instruction) given to him by his Father.
Where many Christian teachers and others can get confused is by thinking that Jesus had or wanted to give his life so they wouldn’t have to. Yet he also said if one loves him they will seek to abide by all his instructions (TI and DO’s word for the qualifications).
This shows that Peter was willing to also lay down his life for him:
John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
But Jesus knows when put to the test he would not do so at that time and to be honest don’t think Jesus wanted him to also loose his vehicles life then as he had tasks he needed to perform before exiting.
John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
Here Jesus shows the qualification to abide in his love is to “keep my commandments” and gives the commandment to you love one another as (in the way) I have loved you.
Then he says that there is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for another.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Then John shows that he believed in following Jesus example of laying down their lives for others:
1Jo 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
Next this idea of voluntarily laying down one’s human life for another is shown in a different context and done using metaphores in the Book of Revelation:
Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down* before him that sat on the throne, and worship* him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast* their crowns before the throne, saying,
- The phrase “fall down” comes from this greek word:
4098 pipto {pip’-to}
a reduplicated and contracted form of peto {pet’-o}, (which occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses), probably akin to 4072 through the idea of alighting; TDNT – 6:161,846; v
AV – fall 69, fall down 19, light 1, fail 1; 90
1) to descend from a higher place to a lower
It’s of particular interest in the translation of this word usage to “alighting” or “light” as if to say these 4 and 20 elders brought their “light” of their Minds from a higher place (The Next Level spacecraft) to the human kingdom (a lower place) and…
** “before (in the presence of) him that sat on the throne” which would seem to refer to the Older Member we know as DO who was in the vehicle named Jesus…
*** and worship which DO said meant, “to work for”
**** “…him that liveth for ever and ever” which would seem to be referring to Jesus/DO’s Older Member The Father/TI…
* “cast their crowns before the throne”
casting = 906 ballo {bal’-lo}
a primary word; TDNT – 1:526,91; v
AV – cast 86, put 13, thrust 5, cast out 4, lay 3, lie 2, misc 12; 125
1) to throw or let go of a thing without caring where it falls 1a) to scatter, to throw, cast into 1b) to give over to one’s care uncertain about the result 1c) of fluids 1c1) to pour, pour into of rivers 1c2) to pour out 2) to put into, insert
These 4 and 20 elders have crowns already and they are casting those crowns in the presence (before) DO who is on the Throne task (given to him by his completion of the task in the vehicle named Jesus and then about to be on that throne for the completion of the task as shown in Revelation 12 via his Older Member, The Father, aka TI who births him to the throne task.
This to me sounds like their “crowns” represent the new physical vehicles they received when they completed the Jesus phase of the task and they were choosing to discard those more elementary vehicles to gain strength and deposit thoughts (light) from the Next Level Mind, it seems seen in some of the so called ufo crashes like Roswell and Aztec, etc.
Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Here it shows the four beasts (zoon=Living Beings) and the 4 and 20 elders fell down before the lamb, which seems to mean they layed down their lives for the one who was in the body named Jesus. The “harp” in this context is the physical vehicle they took over from the human kingdom 2000 or so years ago and their “song” is the lesson plan given to them by the Older Member then called Jesus.
Rev 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
This next verse seems to refer to what the four and twenty elders did before they ascended to where “fell upon their faces” in this context has multiple meanings of laying down their vehicle’s life:
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
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