Archological and Anthropological Global Evidence of a Directed Evolution and Conspiracy Against Truth

July 1, 2015

I have received Jonathan Grey’s newsletter for years and have found his research invaluable in linking together human history that knows no boundaries and provides considerable documentation for the skeptical among us, that is IF they want to learn the truth as one can be skeptical but if they never see the handwriting on the wall they become entrenched in skepticism. Like I said in my last post, there really is no difference in the actual realities except in language – terms – the words and the concepts words describe. That’s why Jesus in prophecy says his battle, his war in which to fight uses the weapon of his mouth to wage against the deceivers lies. So as Johnathan stipulated I have copied all of what he sends out in his newsletter so if you want to see more you can contact him, but what he includes here is a wealth of data that can be used as pointers when talking with avowed atheists and pagans and those of any and all belief or non-belief systems alike, though I suppose if they are avowed they won’t even have an ear to hear what we say anyway, but at least we continue to give them the chance. Jonathan has also provided many great articles that describe all sorts of ancient ruins in areas where you would least expect, in the Grand Canyon that match Egyptian hieroglyphics, some of which he is referring to here, that were covered up from becoming public knowledge, though the time is now for as Jesus said, “all things to be revealed” and for “knowing to be increased” so we could KNOW the whole truth and nothing but the truth to then decide what then to do with it as I say that all paths lead to Ti and Do but each must go through their process to get to that which is done by opening up to what just may be most true in our human history.

With that said here is the full content of the newsletter:

Jun 30 at 7:02 PM

Creationism verses Evolution – ignorance on both sides of the equasion when the truth is apparant.

June 27, 2015

The following is my first introductory stab at a debate of creationism verses evolution I was requested to engage. I find this to be largely archaic to consider debatable in this day in age but it’s been so masked it’s good to try to lay out some of the key points that cut through that masking IF one wants to cut through it or even thinks there is something to cut through. I wrote this on the fly so like most of my blog posts it’s far from perfect and was geared to someone I knew had a certain amount of history with some of the subject matter while being of an atheistic leaning. I didn’t intend on introducing Ti and Do to him at first but then I thought, what’s the point if I don’t as without Ti and Do in it, it just becomes another opinion amidst many, which of course even with Ti and Do in it, it also is but at least presents the bottom line for this self judgment time.:

The way I see it there is really no difference between what is termed creationism and evolutionism as both acknowledge a “process of development and changeability” and as we know from mounds of experience as humans, no development occurs without developers. No one can give any example of anything of value coming about without developers, at least on little ole planet earth. So sure a big bang could have started it all off for this planet, solar SYSTEM, galaxy of systems within systems within systems…. And why would we not think the earth could have been terraformed by Beings just like humans right now are looking for planets or moons or dwarf planets of whatever label one wants to put on objects in outer space with some idea of doing the same with. That’s just logic 101 to at least consider it. It’s those that reject even considering such a thing that are doing so out of ignorance regardless of how many degrees they have and many of those will privately talk differently than publically for all the obvious reasons.

Now as to the point of view that this planet came about in 7 earth days isn’t actually accurate to the records that came from in Genesis, regardless of whether one believes those writings were “records” or not. They are ancient relative to our tiny history that isn’t disputed by anyone without an axe to grind. The Hebrew used for days there is not talking about earth days as to these Beings that allegedly did the terraforming who don’t live on earth, that time frame is meaningless. They are out of earth time but in those records it was said that to them 1 day is like 1000 years. So lets say the terraforming project happened over 7000 earth years. Is that possible. Well some would say not, yet we are observing how fast certain things can happen with islands growing in the sea as we watch and glaciers melting and knowing what kind of nuke winter can be created from an asteroid or comet strike as is thought probably occurred to vanquish the dinosaurs. And to the archeological evidence of humans going back hundreds of thousands of years I can think of two things to say (at least). In that same record in Genesis 1 BEFORE ADAM is genetically engineered, (as he had no mom or dad as the records say, which of course wasn’t’ even considered before artificial insemination techniques and cloning, etc. except by those who have examined the multi cultured stories of virgin births that today can seem to have possibilities that are extended a long ways by considering that aliens are performing hybridization projects so why couldn’t the terraformers do the same. Maybe aliens are of the same group), there were “male and female’s developed/created/engineered by whatever means right after the mammals were developed which then appears to show the 4 basic evolutionary kingdoms on earth that even scientists called kingdoms at one point because in each there seems to be a hierarchal structure that does show a lot to do with survival of the fittest in who survives, which gene streams and which do not.

So there were humanoids before Adam and Eve and who knows if some of them comingled with Eve or some of their offspring to further develop and/or dilute the adamic gene pool. Why not, unless we have that axe to grind of course. Now how far back were there humans on earth and where did they first come from is anybody’s guess. Certainly recent science has shown very strange skeletons recently discovered and ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics that correlate with humanoids with larger heads than we have now and other glyphs that seem to show helicopters and tanks and stories of technological battles that lend credence to Plato’s Atlantis treatise that has been hotly debated over whether it was genuine history or an attempt at sci-fi.

So then, it comes down to who these Beings are exactly. Humanoids from other planets that got here by wormhole express and/or through a dimensional abrasion which to me can be the same kind of thing and especially when we now know about what’s possible in terms of what can be seen from what is real. Before microscopes and telescopes in space and space alien reports, UFO’s, all this was supernatural and/or superstition but it’s interesting that what was superstitious before the technology is now common place – like the idea of remote viewing, and yet we have spacecraft that remotely view Ceres – no wires in between us makes it remote right. And with that how much of a stretch is it really to think that our physical bodies are also the containers that in building the “mind” that we have gobs of evidence electromagnetically extends beyond the body and can influence others or even do a certain amount of manipulation of matter where matter is as dense or etheric as one is willing to consider. Einstein and Boehm were hot in pursuit of answers to this paradym as shown in the “Holographic Universe” that with their holographic experiments thinking that matter behaved differently when viewed which begins to give credence to our eyes or consciousness being more than just reflectors of light as in that reflection it’s actually transmitting that light, even picking up in the process the content of the mind behind those eyes.  Hence one can become mesmerized by another’s eyes or repelled. The idea of this mind surviving in some fashion after death of the denser physicality becomes yet another logical progression and again it shows roots in the records of most every culture to where some claim to have seen or had interface with these entities. (I am one of those on a number of occasions).

This all becomes the “science of mind” that some phd’s have spoken about rather convincingly like Bruce Lipton in his book “The Biology of Belief” that some scientists I’ve met say is a quack scientist even before reading his book which is again telling of how we can so become our biggest limit setter.  I mean how much of a stretch is it really when we see the same ideas manifest in the computer hardware – software/firmware realities. I spent 20+ years programming and it dawned on me one day that nothing was happening in software unless I made it happen or opened up the possibility. I already had that sense but it just hit home in a more obvious way. And of course look at genetic code, the unseen software/circuitry in every cell with it’s histones that look and act like little cpu’s and/or watch batteries and those banks of hair like molecules like antenna we see all over the body in various forms and the many organs involved. How a scientist can look at that intricate network of very complex interrelationships and think that all stumbled into existence by random mutations simply because of happenstance environmental changes looks to me like ignorance though I couldn’t begin to talk about all they otherwise know. It’s like they can’t see the forest because they are so into the trees. It would be like an ant thinking there are no beings besides the other bugs and that it’s “nature” that destroys their mound when the human gardener wants to get rid of them yet among other ants they may have huge praise steeped upon them. (I actually think a better example is found with dogs and other domesticated animals or one’s in the wild). But the point is that we now know that it’s not “what you see is what you get” the computer acronym WYSIWYG. In fact we now know that most of reality is hidden from our eyes and brains, so why not consider that there is much more and that the ancients weren’t actually ignorant of this even without the kind of science we have now.

Finally, if that is possible, which actually I think it is not as there is always plenty more to become aware of – if we can conceive of Beings (thought forms, physical body (hardware) offloads (mind aka spirits, discarnates) for some it also goes hand in hand with the entire idea of extraterrestrial biological entities or EBE’s. And we see new religions cropping up since the 1950’s around contactees and some of them claim directly or indirectly to be the creators of Jesus or from the spiritual hierarchy as in the ascended masters, etc. or have led the humans they have contacted or abducted to think they are the return of Jesus, etc. (Alex Collier, David Icke, Rael, etc.). It’s always interesting that these three and many others talk like that but like the Pope don’t talk Jesus’ actual mind/spirit.

Jesus was telling his students they had to forsake their human families to graft to his Family. He taught that the physical body wasn’t what we really were and that there was another physical component given to some humans that they were developing by joining his program to outgrow human behaviors and ways. He described this “container” as a new wineskin needed for new wine (mind=spirit) that survives the death of the human vehicle that was actually used as a stepping stone (footstool) into membership in this “kingdom” that is above (superior to) human (mammalian). He taught that a student would have to grow to “give their all” to his allegiance to include the life of their physical human body IN SERVICE to him and his “Father”, the individual who parented him into that same kingdom that is among the stars (the literal heavens). He’s not talking human yet all the religions (and this can extend to Buddhist and Hindu and Judaism and Islam, etc.) only embrace the human aspects of his teachings at best and then even pick and choose of those so what does that tell us? Well can you imagine explaining to a dog what they can look forward to if they live by all the rules the master gives? Example is the best teacher so Jesus demonstrated what each of his students would also have to be willing to endure to meet the qualifications of what was really like an Astronaut Training program for the beings that design planetary bodies as their hothouses to grow souls upon that grow from physical containers. Again this isn’t what the religious teach except in esoteric mystical ways rather than part of a practical and scientific reality. In this way one could see the reality Jesus was saying he was from as an Evolutionary Step Above Human not far different than the kingdom levels below human; animal, plant, mineral.

So then where did this idea of Jesus come from that we see talked about by Christians and other religionists and new age spiritualists, etc. Well if one goes to the records that by in large were not included in the compilation called the Bible except in small smatterings, the book of Enoch, 7th from Adam, that Jesus seems to have spoken about but we have little record of, except circumstantially, we see lots of details that describe these beings that had certain responsibilities working for these “Above Human Beings” as “watchers” which was an “observer” task. When I went to catholic school they tried to brainwash me into thinking “God is everywhere. God sees all things”. If I didn’t say those things I was punished or reprimanded as rebellious. I dropped out of that kind of schooling early on as they were clearly not teachers of truth and reality as I saw it so that began my exploration into what the truth was though I always thought there was something extra special about this guy called Jesus. I would be at parties with my Navy high school buddies in my early 20’s drinking up a storm and I’d be sitting there reading what Jesus was quoted to have said and no one put me up to it and I knew I wasn’t making sense of it.

Anyway putting my history aside, today’s popular Jesus is as that alleged “yellow book”, Bob Lazar got a hold of said is the creation of the space aliens who are the descendants of those “fallen watchers” but who when they died their “software package” (soul container) went into the so called unseen by human eyes world where they could influence the ones they spawned with their hybridization programs to influence humans to go against the Above Human Beings they used to work for. It would be no different from employees deciding to start their own company that would then compete with their former employer that included trying to steal the former employers potential new employees which takes the shape of a religion that acts as if they believe in the founder but doesn’t adhere to much of what they teach unless it’s easy as pie to embrace so everyone can be tricked into serving them instead.

So these Above Human Beings decided to take advantage of what these renegades wanted to do and let them remain on Earth where they became restricted by the lack of technology and energy supplies as they retreated underground to hide from previous periods of geographic upheaval which is like the spading of their garden for the Above Human Beings. Instead of eradicating their influence they decided to permit it while sending some of their equivalent level of employees to earth to be subject to their influence thinking that with Their help if they could survive the onslaught of dis-mis-information (overcome, the meaning of a true Israeli – an overcomer of the human evolutionary kingdom) they would become stable employees and would be rewarded with exclusive never ended membership in their Above Human Evolutionary Level of both physical and mental life. They don’t reproduce like mammals as their bodies don’t die unless they have reason for them to die or they accidentally die (which is highly unlikely but possible). They get new members which they don’t need thus don’t need to lie to obtain from those that go through their program on the human level and conquer any desire to remain human. Those to be in this program came by sacrificing their existing physical bodies because upon completion they would be awarded a new physical body that is grown for them. They were among the so called victims of the UFO crashes that occurred in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s though some were fabrications. Once outside their physical containers (vehicles) they located human vehicles they could use as their footstool and these would be vehicles that were prepared to receive them from birth. Simultaneously Two Older Members from this Next Evolutionary Level came in the same way as their students and took human vehicles to use to gather the human vehicles these new upcoming students were taking to begin the final lesson step in detaching from the human kingdom. These two were called Bo and Peep and in the press “The UFO Two” in 1975 and later took new names as Ti and Do who were those behind the Heavens Gate “cult” that National Geographic’s channel suggested could have been the “Second Coming of Jesus” to the dismay of millions of Christians and new agers and I suppose atheists. They have and continue to fulfill all the prophecies as they gave those forecasts because they were going to see to it that they came true as a help for remaining humans to have one last ditch chance to see through the lies and deceit of the renegade, termed Luciferians who are not beings with pointy chins and red coats and pitchforks and goatees.  They are more highly evolved beings than human because they WERE in the Next Level program they dropped out of that are in competition with the Next Level Above Human Older Members who administered that program.

There is a great deal to all this and it’s all hard to really digest without lots of breaks in between and a desire to understand it. It’s fearful to see the truth. I’ve had 40+ years of prep time. If there is a base on Ceres I know it’s not space aliens but the governments don’t differentiate space aliens from Members of the Next Level Above Human who some in the know about all the space alien reality believe to be the enemy the primary reason Reagan tried to build the star wars program to counter as he express in part on the floor of the United Nations in 1987.

I suspect that the shooting of the comet Temple1 by the Deep Impact spacecraft was a test to see if they could affect it’s course or blow it apart as they are very concerned that the space aliens can direct objects to earth that they want to be able to shoot down or throw off course. Some are under the impression that these are the “bad aliens” that are threatening life on earth as they know it. In the sense of being the “weeds” in the garden the gardeners are the enemy but they are not reptilian. The Luciferians are the reptilians among other species of mammalian human equivalents. I  could go on about this in many ways shapes and forms but if you want to debate anything I’ve said, of course feel free and I’ll try to address your points. I don’t expect anyone to think the way I do about this and don’t really care if they do or not though will help anyone that asks for more info on any aspect and am always open to seeing where I have certain things wrong or need of adjustment of thinking.

One more point regarding whether life forms can mutate and develop and adapt to the degree of new species, I guess anything is possible if it’s put in the code as possible just like in software. Ti and Do said that the Next Level removed certain stages in that step wise evolutionary development so it would be a puzzle while saying there is truth to an evolution from “a spec of dirt” into what we see now as an abundance of life forms. However they said, it wasn’t exactly a “spec of dirt” though. These two were clearly not from this world but it would take a desire to see that to know that. They were the same souls who performed the tasks of Elohim with Adam and later with Enoch, Jehovah and Moses, Jehovah and Elijah, Father and Jesus. And believe it or not they will respond to those that ask for the truth to help us see the truth of it all by asking for their specific help using the names they last used of Ti and Do. They have the technology to know when we think about them. A little more about them;  Ti took a female vehicle to help get Do (her son) started. They were the fulfillment of the records called the Book of Revelations throughout but detailed in most every chapter but with a focus on chapters 6, 11 and 12. I knew them personally as their student for 19 years of my life but I dropped out in 1994 and through a series of dreams and premonitions, sightings of ufo’s and spirits and many other kinds of proves re-engaged my desire to serve them by telling of my experiences with them and how it all relates to the records about their past activity on earth as the garden is being brought to a close and thus is a time for each of us to decide to whom to show our allegiance between them and humanism. That’s a personal decision that’s ongoing. It’s not for me to know about unless someone wants to express it to me. I don’t get anything from seeing new believers in them (though it feels good). It’s simply part of my training program to tell the truth as I see it and accept the mostly negative consequences to my remaining humanness.

Christianity’s FALSE JESUS (christ) is depicted as WHITE spawned by the Luciferian Space Aliens Against Ti and Do

June 20, 2015

I suspect part of the white race could have come from the Luciferian fallen angels mixing their seed with humans because I think they at the time of their fall away from service to the Next Level Above Human had white vehicles (physical bodies) having graduated from a “second trimester” classroom. The second trimester classroom has to do with “giving your life” in service to the Level Above Human, but doesn’t mean one has overcome the human world yet. Regardless of how accurate this idea is, to me it is worth considering and here are some of the reasons why, though I know some are going to reject it all outright for various reasons, which is telling of where some of their overcoming is seated. We can think humans have already determined where skin coloration originated and I’m not suggesting there isn’t truth to much of those ideas and observations, but as with so much, there is most always more to consider. Along with that, we can also think we are above color or racial or ethnic identity consciousness, or for that matter gender and/or sexual orientation consciousness or even sexuality and ego until we are put to the test.  For those that enter into completely overcoming the human condition, the bulk of that testing comes when we, the soul body are incarnate with an incarnate Older Member.  For all of us at this time, that kind of classroom is to come if we ask and show Ti and Do we want to be included in such a future program. Showing them means doing what they have given us to do at this time which includes studying all they said and did to know how they think that can then be accurately shared with others. Being with them incarnate is an accelerated program but no one is held back from embracing all they taught and will be rewarded accordingly as Jesus also spoke about.

Meanwhile this is a little taste of thinking outside the boxes pertaining to skin color, while staying inside our vehicles as we know there are many who think so far outside the boxes they enter into the same kind of illusionary mindset as do those who remain inside their comfortable “box”. It’s always a balance so at least this is something to consider and if you read this post before there are some new examples of a lesson step in Ti and Do’s classroom at the end that might be interesting.

Since Ti said the standards to get into the Next Level were raised because of Lucifer and his followers fall, they may not have graduated the same kind of  “second trimester” the Father and Jesus provided in their “classroom” as we don’t know what standards were raised and when. We need to always keep in mind that the Next Level is always improving what they do in their gardening classrooms and Ti and Do did say there were different types of gardens, so when I say “second trimester” it’s a relative experience that by graduating yielded them their “watcher” service in and related to the Next Level Kingdom. Ti and Do also indicated that service in the Next Level doesn’t mean we are watched over constantly and that the service these Luciferians had was also a testing ground for them since they hadn’t yet conquered/overcome their human or human equivalency condition.

Before going further, here are a couple clear indications that giving your life to the most current Next Level incarnate Older Members that we are aware of yields a new “white” physical body:

* Key to notation used in my deciphering of scripture:

Single parentheses (…) = words added by the original translators often to express a more exact translation and at times to fill in what the translators think is being said and sometimes it seem to put it into more of a cohesive sentence

Double parentheses ((…)) = additional or substitutional translation options provide by Strongs and other Greek/Hebrew dictionaries.

Brackets […] = my comments.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Rev 6:11 And white robes ((4749 stole= equipment, a loose outer garment worn by kings, priests and persons of rank – [not to be confused with human clothing that is a facsimile usage of this depiction of a Next Level vehicle])) were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Now this is the time of the fifth seal which comes after the next U.S. presidential election or however these two listed  as “death” accompanied/followed (as a union of being together with and/or reached at the same time) accompanied/joined “hell” (Hades as a proper noun, a person and/or place and/or thing) come to power*.

*Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale ((5515 chloros= green, yellowish pale [note how green is the actual color of chlorine that turns things it’s applied to white – a facsimile of Next Level white])) horse: and his name that sat on him (was) Death, and Hell ((86 hades from a (1 as a contraction= “without”) and eido (1492= “to see”) properly “without seeing” [interesting as if to say “no eyes to see”], and/or a place of departed souls hence the spirit world of the unseen, a prison, but in this usage a proper noun thus a name thus a person destined to spending an eternity in the place of the Lake of Fire, in the condition of the Second Death, the death of one’s soul) and/or associated with Pluto [as where their sentence to hell could originate from if the heavenly body called Pluto is a Next Level base as Ti and Do illustrated in a movie script they directed the writing of as a student project that was never published])) followed ((190 akoloutheo= a road, join him as his attendant, accompany him, join as a disciple, side with his party)) with ((3326 meta= accompaniment “amid” or with which it is joined, against, among, with)) him. And power was given unto them ((themselves(s))) over the fourth part (([bestial human Kingdom])) of the earth ((human occupants)), to kill ((615 apokteino= separate/exit/leave go away from the body by dying)) with sword (([weapons as in military, police, etc.])), and with hunger ((3042 probably from leipo 3007= through the idea of destitution, scarcity of food, famine)), and with death ((2288 thanatos from thnesko 2348= as a penalty or as in to murder as a causation)) , and with the beasts ((2342 therion from thera 2339= a dangerous animal, (venomous, wild) beast)) (of the) earth ((1093 ge= soil, region, whole globe to include the occupants, country)).

I arrived at this timing and relationship to the U.S. Presidents from many avenues, the biggest of which is because Rev 6:2 is clearly depicting Do’s conquering the human kingdom and bringing his “product” (bow), his students to conquering – a “spirit birth” followed by G.W Bush (red  horse)  with the endless global wide war and Barak Obama (black horse) with endless global wide financial crisis, that latter provided me by Dstody in a dream days before the election of Barak Obama to his first term presidency that I’ve reported on before.

There are a number of other verses to collaborate this depiction of how some can still receive a “white” vehicle, and white means both the coloration and it’s relative “pure” condition of being filled with “light” – all the same application of  the adjective 3022 leukos from luke (“light”).

As we see there are humans all over the planet that are willing to give their life for what they believe (and trust) be it for governments or religious institutions, science and/in the heightened risk in becoming an astronaut or explorer, for sport, to entertain as in daredevils, to make money as in stunt actors in movies and of course in military fighting and killing who and when they are told to fight and kill, even as a career, etc. so giving one’s life alone is not that significant. I would say the closest form of what the Next Level values most as willing to give our lives to, which is related to the instructions from Jesus would be giving one’s life trying to save another’s life as in emergency rescue operations like as fire fighters. However, even that form becomes updated for those who choose to recognize the current or last incarnate Older Members as giving our life according to their direction becomes the criteria of receipt of a Next Level vehicle, whether a “domestic” one or an “adult” physical body.

Where the space aliens got their “white” physical bodies:

Do said that those from places in the near vicinity to earth,  that I got the impression could be however far away as one could imagine, that had become “domestic workers” for the Next Level, so received one of these “white” bodies to wear (as indicated in Revelations) were offered to take the third trimester graduation lesson plan which meant sacrificing their physical “white” body so they in soul body form, that is still physical but less dense, yet more dense than a human “spirit/mind” aka ghost, etc., could incarnate into a human vehicle to begin that lesson plan with the incarnate Older Members, Ti and Do.

Those that took Ti and Do up on this offer were among some of the UFO crashes. Those that weren’t were somehow unable to leave the earth vicinity so were forced to the earth (and near space vicinity, as Do said they really are no longer “space” aliens because of) to try to survive and are among those who went underground to escape surface recycling periods as the time frame for all this is to the Next Level just “days” ago, while to humans and the human equivalent space aliens are thousands and thousands of earth years, which seems related to when much of the propagation of the Nephilim took place. I’m suggesting that’s the most recent time for some of the start of today’s white race as described in Genesis chapter 6 and the Book of Enoch, though probably went through all kinds of machinations of manifestations that I’m not yet aware of. I understand that some early Egyptians were very fair skinned and given the heir glyphs and figures that depict humanoids with an extraordinarily large back of the head and other characteristics of the pyramids and today’s many links, through Masonry to the “all seeing EYE” inside the pyramid on the U.S. dollar bill and much more, one must at least consider that those are examples of the Luciferians co-mingling, co-habituating and/or having a hybridization plan with earth humans.

After all the “watchers” was a task performed by those called fallen angels before they fell, who couldn’t have fell if they were already full fledged adult Members of the Next Level instead of still being “sons or children of God (Light)”.

Here is a video I made more about this if you want to consider some of that, but I’ll go on with the “white part” thereafter :

But for those formally “domestics” who were coming back to overcome their humanness what they were essentially overcoming was not only the mammalian nature of their human vehicles, but as well goes hand in hand with overcoming/conquering, aka prevailing against (the meaning of the word/name, Israeli) the influence over all of humanity from those fallen angel Luciferian “space” aliens most evident in today’s white race, though no one is left out of that equation.

The Adamic race were not white. Hebrew adom means “blood in face” or “ruddy” which if unmixed I imagine has reddish or even a brownish look. The creatures that were humanoid before Adam was “MADE” were “created in our image”, by the One(s) noted as the plural Elohim, translated to “likeness”, primarily a reference to “shape”, not coloration. I don’t know what color these were but the Luciferians were already around pre-Adam and Eve, whether still having physical bodies, so no telling what kind of cohabitation occurred then with earth humanoids but it seems their having had white bodies could be where that lack of color was introduced.

Ti and Do indicated that to conquer/overcome Lucifer and his associates that “advasaries” (satans) influence on us, each of us must conquer all race consciousness among other things. That means not identifying yourself by the vehicles race. To say, I am white or I am black is identifying with race. For many it’s just a habit though for others it’s much more.

Some of the space aliens apparently provided a book called the “Yellow book” that Bob Lazar was provided to read when he was recruited by Oppenheimer to work at Area 51 in Nevada, that said they “created Jesus” which is interesting in light of how today’s populist Christian Jesus doesn’t resemble much of anything Jesus actually taught. I mean, he wasn’t pro the human family or in the accumulation of wealth or about trying to make the Earth a better place to live. Look at how Pope Frances has to quote one tiny verse in Genesis, having to do with “keeping and tilling the earth” to take that as an instruction to take care of the earth, which Ann Coulter takes it the opposite way in the verse that says we should “dominate” and thus “rape” the earth. Well neither of these to me are good examples of Jesus believers so it’s no surprise.

Thus today’s Jesus is a “false Jesus” which Jesus warned against saying that even some who were prepared to recognize him upon his return would be fooled by “false christs” and thus false Jesus’ as he said many would come using his name/identity and even those who think themselves the “first” to recognize him and come to his family would be “last”, thus potentially part of this second phase of the overall harvest period if they awoke to recognize him in the incarnation of Ti and Do as the Two Witnesses.

And that is in fact how Paul of Tarsus got started and became the icon of today’s “christianity” and his letters are filled with dilutions and distortions of what Jesus taught and include many things Jesus said nothing about or I trust it would be in the records as the Next Level according to Ti and Do worked very hard to preserve that Jesus part of the record.

So along with Jesus picture being shown as a white race human goes all the rest of the false ideas about him so no wonder Christians have such a hard time even considering Do was his incarnate stage of return. That’s why they are at this time being given the chance to SEE. John’s prophecy described the body Jesus would take upon the return in:

Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire…

The structure of this verse indicates BOTH his HEAD and HAIRS would be white as a coloration. Snow is white and lambs wool off white mostly.

It’s also interesting that he was said to be “sitting on a white horse” where horse is sort of the way the Next Level view’s humans, some of which accept Next Level training while others reject it.

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

In my video link below I bring in more ways of looking at these verses.

It is hardly a coincidence that Do took a vehicle named “APPLEWHITE” and that the horse/body he took was white and his hair was white as clearly seen on the Beyond Human Video’s. After all what started this entire civilizational experiment was Adam’s fall ,very simply by yielding to the serpent (hisser/deceiver) (aka Dragon, Devil) by breaking instructions and eating the apple. Ti said that was Do who performed the task of Adam. He didn’t recover until incarnate as Enoch, but it gave him a whale of an experience to then help us overcome the Luciferians.

Thus incarnating into white human vehicles means one would face all that Luciferian superiority programming we seen in so many whites that look down on all people of color which was built up by the Aryans in the public manifestation of it under Hitler. I even wondered if Josef Mengele the doctor that experimented on people and in particular children and twins, under Hitler and others eyes were all so influenced by the Luciferian space aliens that part of what they thought they were doing to try to exterminate the Jews was just like the way Herod Antipas pre- the Jesus birth did when the vehicle named Jesus was forecasted to be born and Pharaoh Ramses did prior to Moses vehicle’s birth. After all Moses wrote that the next messiah would come from among the Jews, “just like me”, he said, so the next coming is never a secret except through which human vehicle, when and where and with what signs.

Moses’ vehicle as a baby was put in the basket to escape the order to kill first born Israelis for the same reason as the Jewish leader Herod ordered the same and so it’s not much of a stretch to suspect Hitler’s murdering of children was any less rooted in that same Luciferian influence on them. I suspect Lucifer thought the returned Jesus would manifest through the Jews so he was trying to stop the next incarnation. (Of course this was a common strategy for a conquering king to kill one’s opponents young knowing that otherwise there would always be generations who were bred to hate them for what they were witnessed doing to their families. So the programming Hitler was following  was well in place to be stimulated again.

So “white” might then be one of the most corrupted races though it’s just as hard to overcome the world in a black, brown, yellow or red vehicle but it would hereby offer some further explanation for the corrupt white supremacy thinking and acting, though is not by far lending an excuse for white folk disturbed terrorist behaviors against blacks and other non-whites or against anyone for any reason, for that matter. It’s the acceptance of thinking there is any justification for a human killing another human. That word “another” is very important as killing self is a waste if not under the direct permission, instruction from an incarnate Older Member. By the way, Ti and Do didn’t consider true euthanasia killing another as once a human vehicle is incapable of growing closer to the Next Level, they are already among the dead though it’s still not within a human or human equivalent’s right to decide who that is and/or  who should die.

A believer in Ti and Do, when he read this told me “Luciferians did not create the white race”, which made me qualify more what I initially stated with the same kind of absolutist expression. Thus hearing him parrot back my absolute statement with another absolute statement was a signal to qualify which then brought me closer to the Next Level way which the “I could be wrong” lesson step Ti and Do gave us that caused some to leave the classroom over, was meant to address. Our ego or certainty about some things is further described to us when we see ourselves making these absolute statements. However, that can be twisted as with all things and used against us knowing the truth. For instance I am absolutely sure that Ti and Do are my Older Members and they are very much alive and I also feel absolutely confident that everything Ti and Do said and did is true though at times for various reasons pertaining to what the classroom could handle at the time. But that didn’t make anything they said lies or deceitful anymore than a human can be taught any lesson in school as a fact and then as they grow in that subject matter learn there was a lot more to it. Did the teacher not tell us everything up front to deceive us. No, but one can’t put the cart before the horse, as they say and it takes some “sugar” to help the medicine go down at times, which the Next Level is very  careful in how they use so we don’t get oversaturated with sugar – so they give us information in stages.

In talking further with this relative new believer in Ti and Do, which by the way, I don’t call him that as a way to elevate myself as it’s only relative to when his vehicle was awakened to Ti and Do’s reality which doesn’t necessarily measure the experience of the Soul coming into that vehicle, he brought up that white skin is part of the Next Level’s creation that is crucial for living in northern environments because of having a greater property to absorb vitamin B-12 from the sun as the sun is not out as much in the northern latitudes where his vehicle is from.

That stimulated my memory of a time when Ti and Do made a little light chamber we were each given time to sit in for about 10 minutes a time or two a day. It consisted of a see through curtain hung above and around a stool that had a grow light shining down from. Thus we were a plant under the grow light. As with so  many little lesson steps they were given with an instruction to use them and then after a short time of days or a few weeks was made optional and then in this case after a few more weeks removed from our use altogether. But looking back it also reminded me how Ti and Do said that in the Next Level for some new members (not differentiating between what was eventually described as “domestic” – not yet adult members of the Next Level) they may have to sit under such a light periodically to restore their energy. And they also said that some may have vehicles that still need to consume a little something as well, saying it would probably be in the form of a pill, not eating food like humans do.

But with that in mind, comes the idea that lighter shades absorb and reflect varied parts of the light spectrum that are thought to have evolved from the location on the earth that population developed upon and mixed with who they bred with. Well, I’m certainly not an expert in any of this and as with so much of the human experience for every idea there are many associated ideas that can all potentially provide shades of the truth.  This post was mostly to provide hints pertaining to skin color origins that are not normally considered using the scriptural records and what Ti and Do said together with space alien observations that all seem to interplay.

For a little more on this:

The Ceres Base? A Sign from Ti (Father) and Do (Jesus) about phase two of Heaven’s Gate

May 27, 2015

This started as a response to the Ceres lights that look like a base on and/or in Ceres. So it was geared to try to communicate to those who may not be familiar with who Jesus really was and still is and who He Represented. The article about this Ceres base lights follows at the end of this post.

Jesus was from the Evolutionary Level Above Human, a physical kingdom of many members, that is why he took his body with him into the spacecraft behind the cloud cover to further demonstrate his physicality. The Next Level (Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven) keeps what their spacecrafts look like a secret until this time following the Revelations 11 Two Witnesses incarnate arrival and departure (1973-1997), which took place through those who went by the names Ti and Do of the Heavens Gate group. Most was kept secret during this time period because the first fruit returning “saints” had plenty of proves 2000 years ago and needed to take over human vehicles prepared for them, to finish up their overcoming of the human mammalian kingdom without additional proof as they didn’t need it anyway.

Giving more proof just  generates more followers but for this first classroom they already knew the amount of positions (seats) they had to fill. so more would have meant further filtering and they didn’t want to turn away more, though none that turned away have to stay turned away and they would have a second chance anyway after the graduation of the “elder” students – what were described as the “four Living Beings and the four and Twenty Elders” in what was also recorded in Revelations chapter 14 as the first cutting down of the stalks with the scythe as in a harvest, thus I refer to as the first fruit harvest.

At the same time Ti and Do before and after their incarnation this time knew the space aliens would have more of a free reign over those who were left after they exited and they would be showing their spacecrafts more and more as they negotiated with governments to swap their technology for certain freedoms to abduct humans for their hybird programs without having jets scrambled to intercept them. They knew they were vulnerable where the Next Level is  well equip to be out of sight, that is unless they plan to look vulnerable in their strategy as shown for some of the so called UFO Crashes in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s when they did choose to crash some of their primitive models.

Now during this next harvest phase that began after their exit in 1997, The Next Level Older Members did plan to be showing more signs of their reality so we have seen many, many photographs from the outer space telescopes that to those who want to know the truth do become a degree of proof of their real existence, though to others are seen as so called “natural” phenomena, human manipulations or space aliens, not realizing that the Next Level have physical bodies and use physical transportation and are evolutionary Above Human which is why the Older Members were called Supreme Beings, Elohim being a Hebrew word in the plural form because it’s a “many membered kingdom” where even the youngest is a Level Above the human evolutionary level.

So now we have passed the start of the war in the heavens, past the arrival of the Two Witnesses and Ti’s giving birth to Do to the throne so she could return to a vantage point through which she could help him finish his task of spirit (non-physical) birthing of their student body: (Michael is the same Older Member Soul who was incarnate as Jesus)

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

That war was also depicted as a “flood of thoughts” against Ti. Do said she burned out her vehicle dealing with the negativity against them all. Her exit was prophesied as:

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

This was a way of depicting an earth based way of exiting her vehicle which is used in this context in Deuteronomy.

The last verse in Rev 12 shows the 2nd and last “war” (battle) of the remnant, which are those who come to believe in Ti and Do now and seek to be in their service disseminating their information:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The biggest part of this war doesn’t begin in earnest until after the “world Trade Center” shaking of the earth as shown in:

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Which goes hand in hand with the emergence of the Red – republican horse who has a Luciferian sitting upon known as George W. Bush who ushers in the first of two “falls” of America in the endless war on terror:

Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

This is followed by the second fall of America as the Global Financial Collapse as shown in:

Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Together these two satisfy the official decent of what is really the New Babylonian empire and NYC as the new Babylonian city, while both are depicted as a Woman in:

Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

The conquering of the human world and the Luciferians (Dragon and his fallen angels)  by Ti and Do and their 42 students ushered in the physical manifestation of the first angel’s sounding as in this and the next angels sounding these events “follow” the sounding, though the sounding itself also occurred with similar events in the Tungusta event in the start of the 20th century:

Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

This is apparent as a huge increase in all ways of hail storms, forest fires and bloodshed (waring) and school and other domestic terrorism as mass shootings,  again after a time of relative peace on the actual shores of the United States.

Thus the next harvest phase begins. Oil and Wine do not suffer any loss of life at this point. Oil are those who may be nearing completion of their metamorphic completion while wine are those who are beginning their “fermentation overcoming” process and can both be considered to be among the second fruit harvest. Both leave their physical human vehicles behind, thus the bloodshed:

Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

The saints are always those that come to believe in the current representatives, in this time Ti and Do, who were actually the Father and Son (Jesus in a new physical body, with the new name he said he would have (which was Do) and he said his Father would also have, which was Ti). The Saints are also all those who STAND UP FOR those they recognize as their Older Member(s) incarnate even though they know they will meet a similar fate of losing their life because of their stand.

Their newly born Soul bodies (as Jesus said would happen by saying they would need to be born again of flesh to be born of spirit/soul/Mind) left with the spacecraft traveling with the Hale Bopp Comet. It wasn’t a huge decision for them to choose to exit by laying down their human vehicles as they had given their human vehicles before, after Jesus left and then again when they came back via crashing of primitive spacecrafts.

They all said they were doing it for/with Do just as they did for/with Jesus. It always looks bizarre and sinister to those that are not yet awake while for some though it can still be difficult to adjust to becomes accepted as their transitional stage of birth.

Now is the time for the Signs Jesus said we’d see:

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

We have been seeing “signs in the sun, moon and stars”. The planets are all “stars” as lights in our sky, so Ceres is one of them, however faint. It’s interesting how Pluto is also being approached at this time by the New Horizons spacecraft to take pictures of it.  It has shown unusual characteristics that warranted reclassifying it a “dwarf planet” which Ceres is also considered to be and that Ti and Do had illustrated as having special significance in the movie script they tasked to a student committee to write that they directed starting in 1983 before Ti left her vehicle in 1985, after having completed her part of that phase.  By the way, Pluto was rawn and airbrushed as a type of base craft having it’s entire northern pole opening and closing like the way some steamer baskets have wings that overlap one another to allow all sizes of spacecrafts in and out.

The space aliens can’t actually leave Earth’s immediate atmosphere any more which is why they have been working so hard to get humans to build the space program to develop craft and life support and energy systems so they can try to leave as they have heard rumors from their own history that the planet will experience a major change again that will recyle the current civilization and dissolve what to the Next Level are the weeds, described as the Dragon (Luciferian fallen angel space aliens), the one world government and associated institutions and corporations, as led by the United States of America and the false prophet (the worlds religions and spiritual counterpart organizations).

The Luciferians see the Next Level as evil aliens as well as those who are of their mindset, which are most governmental leaders that know about all this. These are the remnant of the Luciferian hybridization programs past. Thus they are the weeds on Their (Ti and Do’s) Next Level Garden and naturally don’t want to be destroyed but are about to be before Do, using the body he has that was Jesus (Rev 19 – one that was dipped in blood) returns to throw all the weeds into the Lake of fire and brimstone, perhaps significant volcanic eruptions that may actually flood their underground city shelters with lava.

Before that there are to be 7 last plagues of Rev 16 that will include a meteor strike into the ocean, possibly the Atlantic that would take out the eastern seaboard.

The Creators are recycling their garden. They created it and all the life forms from scratch, genetic code and all the elements and systems upon systems and Lucifer and the fallen were cast down to earth which serves as their prison now. But to make a positive of the choice of the Luciferians to fall, the Next Level uses the prison to put potential new members of the Next Level to the test of whether or not they will side with the Luciferian prisoners or not. The Luciferians hate it all so have manipulated most everyone to either think the Next Level is a spiritual kingdom or is easy to get into by believing in a fantasy of Jesus or another religio-spiritual idea or doesn’t exist at all.

The way these Older Members from the Next Level, previously referred to as “Father in outer space (heaven), Jehovah, Elohim” come undercover is by leaving behind or sacrificing their existing physical bodies which was done this time in some of the crashes in New Mexico and Arizona and Texas in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s when they used primitive spacecrafts so to not appear different from the Luciferian space aliens that were also allowed to come out of their underground hiding places around that same time period as depicted in Rev 9:1 as the Dragon coming out of the bottomless depths (pit), perhaps a reference to some truth to the various claims in the records that there are ways to get under the North Pole and Antarctica and even may even extend throughout the core, thus having no bottom.

Those that stand against the “bestial mammalian governments and their pawns, not accepting their programming or markings they are increasingly using to identify those in their allegiance I suspect could become who Jesus called the “meek who shall inherit the earth”. They will probably provide the seed for the new earth’s planting of genetic seed as they will be of a mind (spirit) that sees through the lies stimulated by the space aliens, so they provide vehicles for the new or returning students to take for their next lesson steps toward graduating into Membership in the Next Level Above Human. Humans are not just plants or vehicles or containers if they received a Next Level deposit and chose to believe in the truth from the incarnate Older Members and thus begin to grow that seed within themselves as Jesus illustrated. But those who have that seed do not bring it to sprouting a bud by belief alone.

Do said and Jwnody the primary scribe of the classroom wrote that those who believe everything Ti and Do taught and are willing to “stand” up for Them and accept what comes as a result of taking that stand will be taken into their enviornment, genuinely “saved” by the Next Level, when they die so their souls can be brought back after 1000 years to see if they can overcome their remaining humanness to become members of the Next Level.

Those that begin their metamorphosis by separating from their human roots, behaviors and ways to abide by the behaviors and ways as taught by Ti and Do for their first fruit students and also stand for Ti and Do, when they lose their vehicles will be given a new physical body grown for them (as the Next Level don’t do mammalian reproduction, one of the reasons new members have to overcome their sexuality before being awarded a non-sexual vehicle (body) as otherwise their mind will not match their body and would be prone to abort as the Luciferians did.

Ti indicated that when she got back there would be changes. The Next Level learns from everything so from the Luciferian rebels and accordingly made the requirements to get into their real physical kingdom stiffer.

These who give their lives in service to Ti and Do will be part of the second harvest in Rev 14 spoken of as the tribulation time of great trouble winepress. (this giving of life is NOT a suicide. I suspect the Luciferians would rather see new students commit suicide of their existing vehicles than to see them “standing up for Ti and Do” so others can potentially learn about the only process to a genuine “spirit/mind birth”.

So new believers need their physical bodies so they can take them over, taking them away from their animal behaviors and ways which is in stages according to the speed in which they want to grow and Standing up for all Ti and Do taught and did.

There is no group to join, no one in a human vehicle to follow, nothing to buy that can’t be found for free by seeking it out from those who already have the materials.

And help is just a thought away by using the names Ti and Do in your asking for help and service and direction and strength to move forward as fast as one wants to.

New students should try to abide by all the governmental laws for the sole purpose of not being interfered with. This applies to anyone and everyone that wants to make their application no matter what they did or didn’t do in their life. Each of us needs to regularly ask Ti and Do to show them their next best step and then remain in listening mode expecting to see the answers come through any and all channels. People can start standing for Ti and Do in prisons and hospitals, in cities or on remote mountaintops in all languages throughout the world.

If you are struggling with accepting this and want proof, ask Ti and Do to show you the truth. It will always by your choice to accept it and choice on how to act upon what you receive. No one is graded by convincing others. It’s engaging the process of being of service to Ti and Do that we are graded on, not on what humans think about us pro or con.

The names Ti and Do with their location in the literal heavens (outer space) are an actual address or phone number to contact them. It’s not for frivolous conversation and not to be flaunted as if to show off one’s piety. Keep your communication petitioning with them private as Jesus and Ti and Do taught.

It’s all up to you. It’s not about giving all or nothing. That can be a ploy to keep you from taking the first steps. As you study the information from Ti and Do, don’t worry about not embracing every aspect right away. Give it time to sink in. This is very difficult for the brain to accept as we are combating generations of mis-dis-information programming. This is part of the “overcoming process” to experience. You are building your Minds strength and the more you take in the more you will be willing to discard human behaviors and ways as you are actually replacing human (Luciferian mind) with Ti and Do’s Mind from the Chief of Chiefs, the Oldest Member of the Next Level who Do said we would understand more about where he came from once we are members of the Next Level. The human brain doesn’t have the capacity to understand that.

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/05/ufo-spotted-circling-mysterious-lights-on-ceres/

As I side note I just became aware of:

On June 18, 1178, five Canterbury monks saw “two horns of light” on the moon’s surface, and it was later proposed they were witnessing the formation of Giordano Bruno crater.

Considering the first pictures, possibly from Hubble showed this group of 7-8 lights as two because of the distance away.

 

Ti and Do indicated they made mistakes and learned from them. We can too.

April 30, 2015

Here is a report I’ve seen before that may be from Ti and Do’s early awakening period that if it happened as it’s reported I suspect they might have considered a mistake that they learned a lesson from. From 1973 until 1974 they traveled all over the U.S. and I know they did so by asking for help with food and gas and shelter as they traveled, from preachers, because they claim to be working for God. But they also took jobs like, tarring rooves and digging septic tank ditches and also painted rocks to sell to tourists, as the examples they gave that I recall.

They said their choices to use a borrowed credit card and to rent a car and keep it longer than they were supposed to were mistakes they learned from, though one can see their mistakes as lesson opportunities for us. We can choose to see them and think they couldn’t be who they say they are because of, or see them as part of their learning experience and it’s even possible that Ti and Do’s Older Member in the Heavens overseeing their task wouldn’t have seen them as mistakes. In other words they could have been led to overlook the ramifications. There is considerable evidence of this in the way the things they said and did that changed or didn’t pan out as they thought at first served to dissuade some students from remaining their students while others, even a core group of 24 weren’t dissuaded in the least by any of these things. Thus they can be seen as both a filtering test criteria for those who were not strong enough to go the distance of overcoming all their humanness to graduate and can also be seen as additional fulfillment of prophecy and how Ti and Do were willing to be wrong and to admit it for the sake of their students. They didn’t make excuses as we see among the many Christian evangelicals that make predictions, though they did say some things were lessons for them which is saying they made mistakes, where these who predict the end of the world to the day often come back with another date, even when they know Jesus said no one is going to know the exact date. I suspect a lot of that kind of contradiction is because the lower forces have tricked them to think they have an exception, knowing they will be wrong and thus will be used to discredit even the entire belief in what Jesus taught and did. Anyway I’m not focused on that subject right now though it’s related to things Ti and Do said at first that they changed.

But personally I don’t see anything they said or did as a mistake. So with that said, here is the comment made to my blog that I believe was taken from a report I recognized though I haven’t checked it for exact wording and don’t recall where I saw it.

Comment from Jim on my blog:

On Oct. 9, 1973, the couple visited the town of Hopkinsville, Kentucky and skipped out on a $20 motel bill. While there, they checked into the old Holiday Inn on Fort Campbell Boulevard (now the Econo Lodge) where they made a lasting impression as a mysterious couple with no luggage and without a car. The following morning a maid found a note in their room in which they wrote:

From occupants of 47:On the Holiday Inn letterhead, they changed the wording from “The Nation’s Innkeeper” to “Innkeeper of the Universe.”

Dear Sir:

Thank you for permitting us accommodations in your inn. It would be impossible to explain to you who we are, where we come from, and who we represent. If we tried, you would not believe us. We exist in another dimension, which does not allow for the use of currency. We are on the planet for a few more months and our mission is for good. It would be useless for people to attempt to treat us as they would their own or to bring us harm, for it would result only in their death. This note is true and certainly not to be understood as threatening but as thanks for accommodations. This information should be kept in the strictest of confidence for your best interests. You will be rewarded well for your cooperation.”

Sawyers response:

I had read this account before and to me it does sound like Ti and Do in that note. Besides the obvious references to the “innkeeper of the Universe” as their letterhead, and being from “another dimension”, one of the ways they attempted to illustrate the difference between the Level Above Human and the Human Kingdom because the Next Level can operate in ways that are supernatural to humans though they are still in line with the physics of the planet, just not the visible physics that humans and their technologies can detect and identify as generated by Above Human intelligent physical beings.

Ti and Do did talk of their task duration as one of “months”.

In 1975-6 they were pressed by students about the time frame before “pick up”, at that time also thinking they would all be physically picked up in a matter of months. They responded, “no more than five years” and later felt they made a mistake to say that. As it turned out it was at the 5 year mark, thus about 1980 when Ti scheduled a pick up. We were still living outdoors in tents at the place called “cave without a name” in Boerne, Texas, the town where they first awakened in a big way after leaving Houston and their human lives behind. We stayed up most of the night waiting and there was no sign of a spacecraft and Do told us later that Ti felt she “had egg on her face” though I can’t recall she said anything to the student body about it. Interestingly, some left the group shortly after that, if I recall, Jssody, Rymody, Shdody, Trsody, Dymody and others, though the last two found their way back somehow years later and were among the 38. I can’t say they left because of that but I believe one of them later told a reporter that was why they left as the spacecraft pickup didn’t happen so they lost faith in Ti and Do.

What is also interesting was how to their core students who amounted to 24 by 1993 it didn’t phase them, just like the cancelling or changing of the “demonstration” didn’t phase them either. I was one of those that it didn’t phase. I wasn’t with them looking for a UFO experience nor because of their being the Two Witnesses of Revelations. I wasn’t a Christian though I believed in Jesus and I hardly knew anything about UFO’s except when Ti and Do said biblical accounts of “clouds of light” or “whirlwinds of fire” made sense to me to be spacecrafts. To me that was logical. Looking back, it had to be because of having received that recognition as though perhaps one could say I was naive about some things there were other things I was astutely aware. When I was told about the falling domino theory for the Vietnam war, I totally distrusted government and was not going to go fight their war and was preparing to go to Canada. As it turned out 55,000 American lives later, not to fail mention of probably millions of Vietnamese, Cambodian and Laotian lives that perception was right and has since pertained to government nearly across the board.

Now where they said those that sought to harm them would only result in their death, sounded like the prophecy pertaining to the Two Witnesses:

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

This usage as “killed” coming from the Greek, “apokteino” where “apo” is a prefix having to do with “separation” and “kteino” said to mean “death”, though it’s a word no one can find any history of except together with “apo” together would indicate either “death causing a separation” or “separating by/through, because of dying”. In this context the separation would be from the Next Level which is the ultimate definition of death because then that spirit or soul will never see life. I’m not going through an entire re-translation of this verse, but it will be included in my book.

Ti and Do did not believe what they believed about where they had come from and what their task was because of study. In Boerne where they spent less than 6 weeks is where they came to know individually that they had both come from “outer space” and were on Earth to “fulfill prophecy” and “bring updates to the bible”. That was in January and February of 1973. It wouldn’t be until several months later while in Gold Beach, Oregon that their study of all prophecy they could get their hands on, to learn what that prophecy they were to fulfill was, that they happened upon the Revelations chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses and knew this was referring to their task.

They essentially believed it as it was written though when the handwriting was on the wall, so to speak and they felt instruction to change their thinking, they didn’t hesitate, even though they knew they could lose their students by doing so. They always said that they individually had a very real communication with the Next Level and they would check with one another and find out that they received the same impressions at the same time even though they hadn’t talked about it beforehand.

Then of course changing the letterhead to: the “innkeepers of the Universe” sounds like them too.

It was a little puzzling that they were reported to not have a car or luggage. As Do reported in 88Update, he and Ti got to St. Louis in December of 1973 where their car broke down and he used one of his own credit cards he knew was good to rent a car with trusting, having faith they would be able to pay for it. He confirmed the same story when he made the unscripted “Beyond Human – The Last Call” video tape series.

Here is Do talking about it in Session 5 of 12 in the video series which had the assistance from June (Jwnody) and Sawyer (Swyody) which is why I know they were unscripted. I was directly involved in the filming. Do didn’t have any notes though did have questions set up ahead that the two helpers were to remind him to address for each session. He said,

“Another thing that happened is that Ti and I were in St. Louis at midnight when the comet Kohoutek came along, and our car, the little old dumpy car that we had reduced ourselves to, died.”

So if this note was left on October 9th of 1973, where was their car as it hadn’t broke down yet in St. Louis over two months later? Well, I suppose if they knew ahead of time that they would be skipping out on the bill, they could have parked the car someplace else, even on the other side of where their room was as Holiday Inn’s are never very small as then no one would see their licence plates. Or perhaps the Inn keeper just didn’t see their car or luggage. There were several reports of Ti and Do seemingly vanishing in thin air in those early days, one reported by Hayden Hewes who co-authored the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary”. Ti and Do once laughed about that saying they never vanished. I’ve wondered if the Next Level made it appear to some humans that they vanished.

In any case, it could have been them. If so what would be the justification. As Session Five continues it would appear that Ti and Do counted it a mistake on their part. Do continues…

“I’ll let you in on just a little personal history of the two of us. You’ll probably dig in and find a bunch of stuff. If you do hear it from the media, I’ll tell you now, about 80 or 90 percent of it is totally inaccurate. But I don’t say that in defense – you believe what you want to believe. Ti and I as individuals at the beginning were very, very moral individuals in our own standing. We felt like we were moral people. We felt like we lived very correctly, as far as how to treat our families, how to treat our neighbors, how to abide by the law. I could remember if I even had a friend that smoked a joint, and pot was illegal, I’d have wanted to stop having anything to do with him because he was doing something that was illegal. So, we were that preoccupied with trying to live in a way that wouldn’t upset the world of Caesar, so to speak. I mean, when Jesus said, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar,” it’s the same thing. In leaving this world to go to our Father’s Kingdom, you try the best you can to not make a mess of the world that you’re leaving. Yet in spite of it, sometimes we make a mess. And I’m going to let you in on a mess that I made when Ti and I were awakening.

At one time when we’d run out of money, one of our students said, “Look, I’ve got this perfectly good credit card here that I’d like for you to use for awhile if you can use it to help you buy gas.” So, we used it for a short time, and then we got to feeling uncomfortable about it. And just about the time we got to feel uncomfortable about it, we learned, by a circumstance which I’ll tell you about in a few minutes, that the card had been reported stolen by the husband of the student, who had said, “It’s a good credit card and I want you to use it.” But things were happening at the home of that student that we weren’t aware of. In our naivete‚ we thought, “Well, thanks a lot, we’ll buy a little gas with this credit card for a period of time.”

Another thing that happened is that Ti and I were in St. Louis at midnight when the comet Kohoutek came along, and our car, the little old dumpy car that we had reduced ourselves to, died.

When we left the world, we both had shiny new cars and we wore them out. One we left to be repossessed, because our heads were so captivated by what we were doing, we knew that we couldn’t take the responsibility for it. We couldn’t even stop to think about it. And here we were in a snow storm in the middle of the night in St. Louis, as I said, the night Kohoutek came. And I had a credit card of my own in my pocket that we knew was good. We hadn’t used it, and it was in good standing. I pulled out the credit card and I said, “Look, let’s rent a car. Let’s have faith that the bill will be taken care of and we’ll get on our way and we won’t just be stranded. Here we are, we’ve got no car at all, and hardly funds for doughnuts.” So, we rented this car and then we went on.

Now, you can say, “What are you doing”? Well, we were going from this little minister to that little minister, to this TV preacher to that one, and we were saying, “We don’t know why we have this information, but we feel that we’ve been sent from the Kingdom of Heaven to tell you this and this and this.” And most of the time what they would do is listen politely, and maybe offer us a meal and say, “What you’re saying tempts me somehow or other as I sit here listening to you….” Or what would happen to us many times is someone would listen to us and they’d believe everything we’d say, and then they would part from us, and go have dinner with their family or something and come back with a completely different attitude, almost as if to say, “Get out of here! You’re upsetting my whole life. I don’t want to see you again!” Or they would say, “I wish I could go with you, but I can’t. I just can’t destroy everything that I am responsible for here.” Well, we were so busy going around naively telling what we were doing, that in this town of Brownsville, Texas – right down on the Mexican border – we thought, “Well, we’re going to let our story out to the media. We’re going to tell the media what we know about the Kingdom of Heaven and our having been sent from the Kingdom of Heaven to help people get from here to there.” And so we visited with this reporter and we set up an appointment at a motel saying, “We’ve got the most exciting, unusual, interesting story to tell you that you have ever heard. So come and meet us at this motel room and hear this story.” Little did we know that that reporter showed up, without telling us, with the sheriff and deputies, and helicopters, and squad cars, because he thought that we were going to tell him about a major drug deal. Because that was the most important story that he could think of that we could tell him. And when we were to meet with him, we suddenly wondered, “What is this crowd of people around here? Who are all these people”? And we were getting vibes that didn’t feel too good to us. So, we ran out of the room and ran to our car, climbed in, and scooted down the street, because we couldn’t figure out what was happening here.

Next thing you knew, the helicopter came in on us with its megaphone and was saying, “Pull off! Pull off!” I don’t know what they were saying. We were scared to death. Then we pulled off and someone from the sheriff’s department got in the car and said, “I want to see your ID.” And then they said, “Well, we don’t know what we’ve stopped you for, but we’ll tell you in a minute.” What they stopped us for was because they couldn’t figure out why we were running. Because here they were at the motel with the reporter, and so they were just holding us while they were trying to figure out what they were holding us for. In the meantime, they did a check on the license plate on the car that we had rented. And yes, we had held the car past the point that it should be returned, though we had written a note saying to the charge card company and to the rental office, “Don’t worry, we’ll return the car soon and the bill will be paid, and we’ll take good care of the car.”

You can say, “That was really stupid and naive.” Yes, but we were so captivated with our task that we had blinders on to Caesar’s world. We were so caught up in our Father’s world and convinced that our Father wouldn’t let anything happen to us – that that bill would be paid and we didn’t have to worry about it. So, what happens, we get thrown in jail because in the process of doing a search on us they learned that Ti’s name had been turned in for possession of stolen credit cards – the credit card I mentioned to you earlier that someone had given us. And they had just neglected to remove that charge when we didn’t use that card. It was an old charge, but was still in the books. The student by that time had returned home to husband many months prior to that. While we were held in the Brownsville jail, they checked that out and they found out that the charges had been dropped on the credit card. But in the process, they moved Ti to another jail closer to the court where that credit card charge would come up if it was still an active charge. And they moved me to St. Louis. Regarding the charge card that I had used – the rental car company had dropped the charges. But I hate to tell you that an ambitious prosecuting attorney in St. Louis thought, “This is an easy case. I can make some points. This guy is as guilty as he can be of a stolen car.” So, here I went to jail in St. Louis. Well, within about 30 days, Ti was released from jail, and boy, did we learn a lot from that experience.

I stayed in jail and the little public defender kept coming and coming and coming, and saying, “Oh, this is a ricky-ticky case and we’ll have you out of here in no time, time served.” And I was thinking, “Goodness alive, what have we done! Nobody’s going to believe what we have to say about the Truth because now we’re criminals. We’re socially unacceptable. And who on Earth will listen to somebody that has a record”? And the little public defender came in and said, “It’s Christmas time and I think that the judge will release you on time served if you will plead guilty. Then we can get you out in a hurry.” I’d been in there 6 months when my case went before the judge and I was sentenced to 4 months. So, they owe me 2, in a sense. I mean, as far as I’m concerned, I was in there 2 beyond my sentence, but I didn’t get any credit for it. I’m teasing, but the point I’m making is that Ti and I didn’t want to do anything that could be questionable because we didn’t want a bad light shed upon our credibility if we had this Truth to offer. But the fact that Luci came in on us to see that we were so quickly discredited, also acted as insurance for our continued separation from the world.”

We had a new rule now. It was: How tight can our rules be to not again be questioned as far as legality or to not get in a circumstance like this. Oh, I’m sure that if they want to find fault with you bad enough, they can find it or make it up. I’m sure the design has some loop holes in it that they could find fault if they wanted to badly enough. But I’m telling you how – and Jesus taught this – that “if you follow me,” you will lose credibility, you will lose respect from those that you had respect from. I’m afraid the same is true today. If we end up being the instruments of your overcoming, of your transition from the human kingdom to our Heavenly Father’s Kingdom, I’m afraid you will lose credibility. If there’s a reason for it to be lost, you will lose it. It can assist you. It can become the positive. It can accelerate. It can ensure your separation. Even though the situation always exists, as I spoke of earlier, that we can say to any student, “If you don’t want to be here, if you aren’t happy here, go and try to recover whatever it is that you want to recover. We’ll help you try to recover it.” Because, don’t forget, in the same way that when you go against our Father’s Kingdom, His rule is that, “If you acknowledge that you’ve gone against Me, if you ask for forgiveness, then I’ll take you back into My camp.”‘

Luci has a counterfeit of those same rules. Luci says that in his world, if you come back and you apologize for having been a part of that “cult” and having been duped into that stupid venture of yours and if you come and say, “I did wrong, I’ll prove to you that I’ll do right, I’ll re-assume my responsible position in this world,” then he’ll accept you back. He’ll let you back in that fold. I’m afraid I slipped and said “Luci” again, and I said that I wouldn’t. But you know I have to share with you that in my conversations with Ti about that usage of “Luci,” I felt like Ti kept saying, “Oh come on, Do, don’t make such an issue of it. If anybody named Lucille or Lucy hears you do that, they can take it in the right way.” So, I’m not sure that every time I use it, even though I’ll try not to, that I’ll bother to correct it, because I’m going to assume that it only applies within the context. There’s certainly nothing wrong with the name Lucy. Even Lucifer was “Prince of Light” or “Son of Light.” The name was a beautiful name. It’s the individual that went awry that had that name.”

Thus as Do said about the circumstances around the alleged auto theft and credit card theft,…

“We had a new rule now. It was: How tight can our rules be to not again be questioned as far as legality or to not get in a circumstance like this.”

I think it safe to say they felt like they made mistakes and there are additional examples and they felt Jesus felt he also made mistakes.

Finally, let’s say their Next Level helpers wanted them to make mistakes. For what reason. Well, for one so we would have a real picture of the task and wouldn’t judge others that made mistakes, that is if we become helpers to others coming in the direction of the Next Level.

And it just so happens, in this case it also fulfills prophecy that he comes as a thief:

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

(Incidentally, this was basically saying to be vigilant and awake and watchful and guard  what you look at with your eyes, keeping your clothes on  so you don’t slip into indecent behaviors with uncovered genitals).

I believe the context of this refers mostly to the timing of his arrival being a surprise and being at night meaning that it is hidden from view as Jesus also says in Luke which is the basis of one application of coming with/from clouds as clouds are a covering but also coming incarnate is also coming in an “undercover” way as Ti and Do called it.

At the same time as in most all prophecy there are several ways to interpret it, he is as a thief because He is taking away human vehicles from their otherwise normal human activities and relationships, however gradually and/or in stages. The new students returning as “souls” come in to “capture” human vehicles (Jesus said he was making them “fishers of men (humans)” the way a human rancher might capture wild horses to put them to work. Now Next Level “ranchers” don’t abuse those horses. In fact it’s the Next Level way to offer those horses training and those that don’t accept it, let go back into their wild, while those that do accept it, even come to choose to be with their human masters over going back to the wild to run with the herd/pack again. The Mind/spirit from such a horse, or in the additional way Ti and Do described this about dogs, having become part of a human family/household, following all the rules and even seeming to think of themselves as an equal with the human family members, that spirit/mind of that dog can even move into relationship with a new born baby human in that family unit and become a big influence on their developing mind. (I haven’t heard of a horse living in the house with a human – I don’t know if they can be potty trained).

Jesus Castration, Married with kids?- Ti and Do’s – alien abduction insurance – 2 phases of Second Coming = 1)Two Witnesses incarnate 2) Jesus glorified vehicle in clouds

April 26, 2015

Here are some questions comments followed by my responses:

Questions and comments to Sawyer:

Did the group take out alien abduction insurance? I read they did. Also, did Jesus have his testicles removed?

Jesus accepted the horrors that were to come. Do was always worried about the family and Cult Awareness Network and cops — avoiding stuff.

What sort of inspiration would Jesus have been if he and his disciples had taken the easy way out?

You don’t remember what town Do worked in as a janitor for 3 or 4 years to pay for his neutering? Do you remember what state?

Did Jesus abandon his wife and kids? Jesus certainly didn’t abandon his mother whom he loved to the very end.

How could they be the two witnesses and be the second coming of Jesus at the same time?

Ti and Do did “global-wide broadcasts to millions”? Please post links!

“Children” is used literally and figuratively throughout the bible. Jesus used in both contexts — but there is no doubt: he literally loved children — and by children I mean literally “children”. Do abandoned his children.

So, what I’m trying to show you is that Do was nothing like Jesus in any way, shape, or form. To compare the two is a stretch beyond imagination.

You — a believer if you will — find parallels in everything you read. Nobody else sees any parallels at all. Doesn’t that give you a clue to your fantastical thinking?

Jesus didn’t bugger his students. Herf did. Jesus knew exactly what was happening; do and ti didn’t have a clue… they hedged as you say. Jesus performed miracles — Do and Ti didn’t perform one — not one! Jesus was brave, Do lived a scared life. Jesus’ death demonstrated something important to mankind, your group just committed suicide–making Do an eternal punchline to jokes about wild-eyed cult leaders until the end of time itself.

Sawyers responses:

Yes I read they took out alien abduction insurance. I don’t know Do’s thinking on that but here’s what I came up with for whatever it’s worth. It was very like Ti and Do to cover their bets. Do didn’t arrive at the way they completed their task by receiving a detailed list of how every aspect would go. That was never the motus operandi. I believe they packed a bag and had their passports on them in case Ti wanted to take their vehicles, heal them from what they ingested and have them perform a task somewhere else. Since they could get the insurance, if Ti did take them and wanted to stage it so it was witnessed by the world, for instance along the lines of what Christians misthink about the “rapture” being a physical ascension, then the world would witness it and they would have to pay up and that could help those left behind tell their story and even bring more publicity in case their exit was covered up, that is if the Next Level let the humans do so as a part of the greater strategy of providing doubt, which is why the “dropout” – fallen angels, the Luciferians provide because they want to, so again allowing us to choose who to side with.

I’ve seen nothing in scripture that suggested Jesus had his testicles removed. If he did spend time with an original Essene group as some suspect then he could have, but just like he didn’t insist on his disciples being celibate (at least in a publicly acknowledged way that was reported that way), he also didn’t do more than hint in the records that self castration was an option as in:

Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

What about the first 3 years of Jesus ministry. How many times did some try to stone him and catch him. If you think he paid no attention to the ways the lower forces were trying to use humans to stop him from completing his task, then I think you haven’t really examined the records with that reality in mind. To some degree Jesus was always on the run though was adept at hiding and perhaps in those days could blend in fairly easily. And to say Do was “always worried about the family” is a huge exaggeration just because he and Ti were always “security minded”. Maybe you are clinging to what a former member who turned against Ti and Do said on one of the documentaries about that. Well he exaggerated a great deal. Let’s face it the biggest criticisms against Ti and Do that came from dropouts was that they had a procedure to shave in a certain direction or didn’t provide enough dentistry (though I did receive a lot of dentistry). But the shaving procedure wasn’t even a static procedure. If he shaved in the direction given, which came about because a student wanted to know how Do shaved because they wanted to become one with everything Do did, and had a problem with doing so, then he could write a note and say, he had this problem and Do would have addressed it in some way. In our notes to Do we had an instruction to not provide solutions to problems we encountered. This way, we wouldn’t be using our mind as we were agreed by being there to abide by what came from Ti and Do’s mind, right down to every nitty gritty seemingly insignificant detail. However, they said there were things they didn’t want us to mimic in that way though they appreciated those that had that desire. This giving of our will to the Older Member was just as Jesus taught as to “deny self” and “give their will to the Father” – specifically to the incarnate Older Member providing the most current lesson criteria.

I never meant to say Do worked as a janitor for 3-4 years. I’m not sure where you got that idea, but perhaps I misspoke. I suspect Rio could better speak to that so one of these days I’ll shoot him an email, though the last time I spoke to him he said he didn’t want to be involved in the Heaven’s gate story any longer as he felt he did all he wanted to do with his book. But I’d be surprised if it was even as long as 3-4 weeks. No I don’t know what state but I suspect either Arizona or New Mexico. I was invited to do the Geraldo Show in the summer of 1997 which was staged in NYC. Before we went on the air, I had some interaction with some of the other guests. It was a show mainly about UFO’s and Allen Shargel (if I recall his name right) was telling me how he met Do and that he was I believe a janitor and he was staying in a motel, I thought in Arizona. But the memory of the conversation is foggy. Shargel if that’s spelled correctly I think is somewhat active in UFO convention circles. He’s an author and had his publicist with him on the Geraldo show and frankly I didn’t believe him though then heard that from another source that Do also left to have the procedure so I then tied that into the Shargel story.

I never saw any evidence that Jesus had a wife or kids. I know that book Holy Blood, Holy Grael seemed to suggest such though after he supposedly staged his crucifixion and went to live in France with Mary Magdalene. I never read the whole book or the other books that make such claims based on tiny shreds of things, ignoring the 99.99% of the record that indicated he did nothing of the sort.

What does that mean “abandon his mother”. You know of course that he was quoted to have indicated that the woman who gave birth to his vehicle was NOT his mother and the sibling of his vehicle was NOT his brother BECAUSE his “mother, brother – Family were now ONLY those that were grafting to their NEW family, a family with a bond in their Minds (Spirits) consisting of those who trusted in, have faith in and thus the true meaning of “belief” in his Father who abide by their teachings:

Mat 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Did he love that human who was the mother of his vehicle? Certainly that is indicated and especially when his vehicle was dying as he demonstrated in suggesting she become the “mother” to his disciple “John”. Wouldn’t that be impossible unless it was saying to care for one another in that way of such a family of believers?

Joh 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
Joh 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
Joh 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

The Two Witnesses are described as “anointed” before the Lord of the Earth – in Zech chapter 4 where they are also compared to being Olive Trees and Candlesticks both directly related to the origin of Oil from Olives as the “force” squeezed from the olive and used to generate “light” to provided enlightenment to others. That is the CHRISTING PROCESS that is also the OVERCOMING PROCESS that every student must complete to the satisfaction of the Older Members before they are awarded with a new physical Next Level body and an eternal life. Jesus said upon his return he was not coming in the name of Jesus. Rev 3:12 says he will have a new name and Rev 1 describes him as having a white head and white hair and fire (passion) in his eyes and metal (strong) legs to STAND UP ON, standing up for his Older Member’s Mind. In John’s gospel Jesus says that his Father also loves the students and they would be able to communicate directly with the Father upon his return. He also says in that same part of the record that both he and his Father would “make our abode with you”. Abode was a physical dwelling which also corresponds to his saying he had to prepare a place for them so they could dwell where he dwells in his “house” translated to “mansion” apparently a spacecraft in that context.

He said he would come in such a way that is secret – not to be observed by the eyes and as a “son of man” which is an “offspring of human (mankind)” which is in-carnal – Latin carne = flesh, as a “thief in the night” that if some are “watching” for will not be caught off guard and miss him while those that think themselves first to recognize him will be last to recognize him. That’s largely the Christians. But Last is just as good as first. It’s only not ever recognizing him when we have the chance that is a path to destruction in the lake of fire to come, which is also the end of the spirit world. (For whatever it’s worth, those who believe in Ti and Do, I don’t think believe because they fear death and destruction. They believe because it makes so much darn sense, they can’t deny it and are so attracted to everything Ti and Do say. That doesn’t mean they have come to terms with everything they taught or don’t have doubts, but they are at least willing to come to believe and understand those things rather than let those doubts turn them away from that relationship. I know I may not be speaking for all).

He comes with the clouds, from the clouds, where clouds were always used as a “cover” as humans aren’t allowed to see the Next Level members or their spacecrafts directly unlike the space alien spacecrafts that even pose and show their nuts and bolts primitive construction in comparison. (I suspect that they used some of these primitive spacecrafts for their crash arrival as some of those who are called space aliens were working for the Next Level in what Do called a “domestic” capacity and were given the opportunity to join them in entering the Overcoming of Humanness classroom to move into full adult membership in the Next Level when they would receive a Next Level Vehicle, and those that did choose to enter the program had some of the more primitive crafts).

Jesus said upon his return he would speak plainly about the Father and no longer in parables so no stories but that’s a face to face experience.

It really never was a “second return” of that Older Member from the Next Level Kingdom of God, kingdom in the literal heavens as some Christians even believe it was the same individual who was Adam and Michael the Archangel and Jesus. Ti said Do served as Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus. That makes the return as the Two Witnesses the sixth coming  and Do as seen through the remaining 6 of 7 “thunders/roars” of Rev 10 the seventh coming.

However, where the second coming is correct is in two senses. In 1987 Do told us we had to all be who we were, in other words the return of the same Souls who were Jesus and his disciples incarnate then, incarnate now as Jesus said would happen. So that began the second public offering of Ti and Do’s information starting with the “88 update” Do wrote to set the record straight as to Ti and Do’s beginning as the Two Witnesses followed in 1992-3 with the Beyond human Series that was Do, but still not saying he was the specific Soul returning though we knew he was. These were the 7 thunders (roars) of Rev 10 in progress still a part of the 6th trumpet sounding that ended with “UNDERCOVER “JESUS” SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE” which was just an internet usenet post that proved to them that part of the task was just about over followed by the 7th roar of the Heaven’s Gate web site and book and their exit.

But the second part of the way in which it was a “second coming” is yet to occur and is described in Rev 19 after the “marriage” of the remaining students who give their lives, this second phase by spreading the words of Ti and Do in what is depicted as the “winepress” of Rev 14. They don’t lay down their lives in the same way as the first fruits did with their Older Member physically present to guide them through, as it’s not reversible which needs to be according to day to day instruction to make sure all students are doing so fully voluntary as evidenced by Rio’s dropping out two weeks before they exited. He wasn’t ready.

But there were still more to be married to Do though their test was whether they would also give their lives but by disseminating the information that will build to hatred against them as more and more come to believe in Ti and Do and parents, etc. of those who choose to believe look to those who continued to share the info as responsible so seek them out to stop them. (It may happen in another way as many who are seen as dissident will be subject to the unrest that is building to where the government “bestial” humans and loyalists think they are doing the right thing to rid society of all dissidents and especially those who don’t agree with their atheistic and/or religious ideas that is what many Christians actually become though they still use the name of Jesus as their savior. In practice they justify getting rid of dissidents the same way it was done to Jesus and his disciples by the Jews and associated state operatives who many times are in bed together.

So in Rev 19 it shows the 24 returning after having “fell down and worked for (worshipped) the Next Level (God)” on white horses, in this case not their physical vehicles but their spacecrafts. (Ti and Do called our cars horses). These have new physical vehicles described as his army on “white horses” while they are “arrayed/clothed in fine linen, clean and white” which is both the fact that they are “pure” and actually literally “white”. They are following the one who is “clothed with a vesture dipped in blood” which I suspect is the same physical body Jesus changed over into his Next Level “glorified” body that he demonstrated was physical and took with him into that spacecraft behind the cloud cover that was witnessed by at least the 11 apostles.

I don’t know if there will be some way the people on earth at that time will be able to literally see his face but I suspect some might from other prophecy as this will cause the end as the 6th seal that sets into motion the recycling to where the New world order is shattered and the U.S. is literally broken up and the “books of judgement” are opened and whoever is not in the book is recycled. This is followed by a rest time and a 1000 years, half an age before the Luciferians are recycled. It is at that point that the Next Level’s spacecraft “holy city” the New Jerusalem and new heaven and new earth is physically with those who have been abiding by all the Next Level taught, possibility describing the next “classroom” as when the Luciferians are surrounding their “camp” the Next Level dintergrates them – throwing them into the Lake of Fire, however that is literally accomplished.

So Christians will get the return in the clouds but Do didn’t think they would be seeing his scars, etc. if they are even still on that vehicle anymore.

There is a lot more I can say about this but this is the jist for whatever it’s worth and I sure there is still more to see, so I can certainly be wrong about some of this, but I do feel at this time, this interpretation works for now.

Also, overcoming is ongoing. Just because one refrains from sex for years doesn’t mean there are no hormones in one’s system to stimulate the past habits of thought and action. One can grow to see the “influences” toward sexuality coming and even cut them off before they become full thoughts in one’s head. You kind of develop a radar, Ti talked about as something she could “smell” though I don’t know how literal that is, except it is well known that pheromones are smelled by animals, as humans whether we are aware of them or not. I have experienced this and degrees of it, like seeing something that could stimulate arousal and cutting off associated thoughts before they register completely like mid sentence. And I have experienced not letting the thought register as a sentence at all and plenty times I did let the thought register and saw how I could literally feel it stimulating a glandular response that would eventually cause a build up until it seeks to be released in a nocturnal emission or via masturbation or having sex with someone. In the group these resulted in nocturnal emissions that we did have a procedure to deal with and didn’t include feeling guilty about. If we didn’t do anything to stimulate it, then Ti and Do considered it like an “energy” being released “off the top” as in a pressure valve. So one can get so experienced and able to cut off thoughts or smell them that they no longer pose a threat to the behavior they want to maintain. But that doesn’t mean one would drop their shields, what Ti and Do called putting up the “blank card” in our mind and not engaging circumstances where they would be tested. They taught that as long as you are in the human kingdom you are subject to bouts with such human behaviors and ways though they can cease to cause you to give into them, that is unless you let it happen. Even though Do’s vehicle before he was awakened had become attracted by both genders, in the 1990’s he told us that when he sees a woman’s breast on a movie it solicits no more or less response than seeing a “grapefruit”. However, in the 1990’s he also told me that part of the reason his “helpers” mostly had female vehicles (Lvvody and Jnnody and sometimes Jwnody) was because he found he wasn’t quite as objective with some of the students who had male vehicles and/or wanted to remain diligent in his guard. I think it had a lot to do also with the degree of amour of the student, male or female. Lggody, a student in a male vehicle, when I was his partner told me he didn’t have any problem with sensuality. He ended up being the most consistent student helper in an male vehicle for both Ti and Do and of Do after Ti left her vehicle.

Search on these keywords to find the links to the way in which Ti and Do’s information has been spread to millions, as I never compiled them all but suppose I should sometime:

New York Times front page of the magazine section, international edition – 1976 – Phelan was the writer. Look up the circulation!
CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC both in 1975 and 1997 – as the UFO Cult and Heaven’s Gate
USA Today 1/3 of a page info-ad, international and national editions – May 27, 1993 – Circulation?
44 ads in alternative newpapers published in most every big city in the U.S. and Canada, England, Scotland, Austrailia and New Zealand.
Internet usenet postings in 1996
Heaven’s Gate web site, still receives hits
Documentaries – At least 4 I was in.
CBS 60 minutes – that I was in on Easter sunday 1997 that was I was present in the shooting of, Saturday, the day before.
Larry King Live that I was in from a studio in NYC as it was broadcast from Atlanta.
Geraldo Show that I was in that was shot in NYC.
Newspaper articles in many western NY cities during the 1994 public meeting tour that I was involved with.
9 months of public meetings with one every two weeks times four or five groups in 1994, meeting list is in the purple book.
9 months of public meetings in 1975-6 by 5 or so groups all over U.S. and Canada also listed in purple book.
Movie, the Mysterious Two – made for TV movie that was terrible and not at all accurate. I don’t know if the flute player was me as I did join with a flute that I never played again and sold to buy a car with.
Several Articles in Time, Newsweek and psychology today both in 1975-6-7-8 and 1997.

People magazine in 1997 with Rio on the cover.

National Geographics Channel 2008 – Final Report: Heaven’s Gate which I say is the beginning of the 7th angels trumpet – circulation in millions perhaps?

Many Radio and some local TV station coverage both in 1975-6 and 1997 that I was apart of some of. I did a TV spot in Dallas, Tucson at a public access station and the local CBS affiliate there.
Chapters in Books are still being written. I’ve helped no less than four authors with material.
Book: UFO Missionaries Extraordinary – still in circulation – published by Brad Steiger famous sci fi writer and Hayden Hewes – UFOlogist in 1976
Beyond Human video series broadcast on Satelitte in 1993 and has been on youtube for years now along with the exit videos on channel: heavensgatedatabase that I don’t know who maintains.
Most every year some media does an article on them
Blog posts galore by critics in 1997

– Jesus speaking of children was almost entirely referring to his students as children as in:
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

The other primary use of children was referring to those who forsook their children for the kingdom of Heaven’s sake which is what Ti and Do and some others did and it wasn’t abandonment of care of them as in every case another parent took care of the children so they were not without love and support:

Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Here is the only time I am aware of his having direct contact and interactions with children and he used them as an example of what we must become which goes together the many times he compared disciples as his children:

Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.

So you have shown me again how Do is exactly like Jesus with updated terminology and a more advanced lesson plan for the graduates just like Jesus provided an updated lesson plan from what was provided when he was incarnate in the vehicle named Moses.

Point out please how I have stretched the imagination?

There are others that see the parallel – you just don’t know them I suppose but I do know some and that number keeps growing because the truth can not be held down when the Next Level wants it exposed.

Finding parallels have come to me gradually and you are right I do see them in most all of Jesus quotations and throughout Jesus prophecy, but wouldn’t that be the case if Do was his return. Wouldn’t all the parallels be apparent but only for those who have the eyes to see as he said, those who have his light in their lamps at least enough so that upon his arrival they don’t miss him?

I agree it is fantastical thinking but all information from the Next Level is fantastical thinking in my opinion and it affects me that way and for those that fear the truth it seems like fanciful thinking or disturbing thinking or something of that nature. The children of the kingdom that choose to be the children of the kingdom recognize his voice and can’t deny it. Anyone can ask for that recognition if they want to put it to the test but you must do as Jesus suggested and talk to the Father in the literal heavens with our request to know the truth and then be prepared to drop all our preconceived ideas that discount it. Those thoughts won’t go away but by choosing to override them builds strength and we can also ask for that strength from the Father in the heavens.

I don’t know what “bugger his students means” so I can’t address what you said Herf did or didn’t do. Please provide one example of how Herf “buggered his students”?

You said “do and ti didn’t have a clue [what was happening]” another vague accusation. Have you studied any of this history? Were you with them at all? Did you talk to anyone who was? If you are referring to the way they changed their perspective and to the few times they thought something MIGHT happen and didn’t in the way they thought it might, then you are missing their modus operandi which was to follow their instructions regardless of whether they came out in the way they thought the MIGHT and how by doing that, the filtered out those that were not engaged with them for the most right reasons so would not be able to make it through the entire lesson step to graduation. I’m not making this up. I and at least 23 other students with them from the beginning weren’t phased at all by the changes they made and the appointments to exit they felt might happen that they were instructed to treat as if they could. And there is no evidence we 24+ were brainwashed in the way humans think of that term that even Professor Robert Balch, the psychological authority on the group that most look to saw evidence of.

But did Jesus say upon his return he would perform miracles? To the contrary he said it would be the false christs and false teachers that would be showing “signs and wonders” to fool even the elect. What he said was upon his return he would speak “plainly” and “boldly” about his Father and their Kingdom and that his disciples would be able to ask the Father in person questions.

My book documents all of this and lots more by many direct pieces of contextual documentation. Stay tuned to have access to it.

I don’t deny that Jesus was brave but to insinuate Do was not is just not aware of reality. Read 88 Update and you will see examples of bravery in leaving their world behind, having to deal with feeling crazy, even every day, not liking the idea of telling others they were the Two Witnesses knowing how that was seen a blasphemous for the religious to hear what they would say.

In fact at the meeting where I met them in Waldport, OR a woman from the back of the room yelled real loud, “you ought to be shot” right after they said that you couldn’t join with them and bring children. When you are called a dangerous cult leader compared to charles manson and later Jim Jones, do you think it’s a sign of a coward to stand up to that and keep on keeping on. Do you know how many parents hated them? Do you think they relished the idea of being killed, yet knew they must continue. When the FBI showed up at the first oklahoma city meeting thinking their group (cult) might have been responsible for cattle mutilations was it cowardice to out the back door or smarts knowing they have the power to stop their task even on a whim?

Where is the evidence that Do lived a scared life? You keep saying that but you have no evidence. It’s just your opinion and that’s fine to have if that’s what you want to cling to. Have you asked your Heavenly Father for the truth about Ti and Do. Don’t answer that for me – it’s none of my business to know the answer but if you haven’t and didn’t do so really wanting to know the truth, how can you feel qualified to leverage all these shallow arguments against them? They are shallow because none have any evidence that holds up to the truth as I have tried to provide you. Repentance really means to “change ones mind” – a literal changing of the way we thought before, though includes actions as well.

Do you think Jesus wasn’t made the brunt of jokes. what do you think that crown of thorns was and the purple robe and the king of the jews sign and the artificial bowing and scraping the guards were recorded to have done. If they did that how much more was that done in the Roman theaters and parties potentially as I don’t know the evidence of it but I’d bet there was plenty of it. Most thought he was a nut.

Why is it if someone has intensity in their eyes that’s considered “wild”. Wasn’t that also in scripture that he would:

Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

“Eyes were as a flame of fire” sounds pretty intense and “wild” to use your word. And to boot, he has white like wool hair as Do had upon going public in his vehicle’s mid 40’s and a white head and these are compared to things with color so at this point are not talking about light or purity.

Many Christians understandably have a Hollywood and/or religisized view of Jesus. That’s why it’s hard to get past that and I don’t fault those for it. A better understanding was not available until Ti and Do came along and shed new light on the entire subject and even still we are all in grades in this great school on earth so all are not going to be ready to graduate at the same time. I flunked out of the graduate course but that doesn’t mean there aren’t second chances for any of us. I know it’s troubling to consider what is being shown. I can talk to how troubling it was for me to come back into the amount of belief and faith I do have now. They helped me a great deal to come back into their Mind’s awareness and there is still plenty of room to grow more in that awareness, behavior and ways.

The battle you are going through is what it takes to deal with to climb up another notch out of the human kingdom’s sea of confusion but you are not alone but must ask to get their help.

I know Do and Ti and I know they are every bit worthy of who they say they are – Older Members from the Level Above Human, Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the literal heavens. You can know that just as much if you allow it to happen by surrendering to your Heavenly Father who is in the literal heavens.

Did dreams and premonitions contribute to Sawyer’s faith in Ti and Do’s continued presence?

April 21, 2015

The following is simply a question and answer that has to do with dreams and premonitions Sawyer reported and whether they contributed to his faith.

Questions:

I’d be interested to know more about the insights and experiences Ti and Do have enabled you to have since Do and the crew left. In particular, I recall you mentioning that Ti enabled you to see discarnates or members of the Next Level for a brief time. You’ve also mentioned your premonition on the eve of September the 11th, 2001 and your dream in which Do and the crew visited you. Have you had any similar experiences that assured you of Ti, Do, and the crew’s continued presence?

More generally, to what extent has your continued faith in Ti and Do been reinforced by such experiences? Do you, like Thomas after the Resurrection, believe that Ti and Do were genuine primarily because you have seen concrete evidence that they were, e.g. your insights and experiences; or are you instead among the ‘blessed’, as Jesus called them, who believe without having seen concrete evidence?

In addition, what did Ti and Do say about so-called miracles, i.e. extraordinary occurrences inexplicable to humans, in the present day?

Sawyers response:

The short answer is yes, those experiences did help me come to terms with their continued presence. And yes I have had many experiences, especially when viewing the many events in outer space and with comets, etc. and looking back on the historic records of Jesus and beyond that all contribute to become for me concrete evidence. I think we all require evidence and if anything receiving more blatent evidence is a sign of one’s youth which is not a bad thing. It’s just contrary to what most might think about it.

My accounts of seeing discarnates because of Ti that began immediately after waking up from a dream of Ti were clearly not seeing members of the Next Level. Members of the Next Level don’t appear as spirits. They either come to us during dream time or in person which is rare but you can see a recent account in Rio’s book, Beyond Human Mind that I have written about on this blog, I believe, which took place in Tucson, AZ in 1995-6. Those same kinds of accounts were witnessed by Jesus and three students on the “transfiguration” mountain and at the tomb and at Jesus physical rising into the cloud that received him that no doubt had a spacecraft inside it and possibly those who came to Lot. Now discarnates can also come to us in dreams and do, so one should never base their actions solely on dreams. and the same with premonitions. Before that dream with Ti and the subsequent witnessing of spirit/discarnates I had had many dreams of students, another of Ti approving of my writing right after 9/11 and several of Do. However after I saw these spirit/discarnates, over the course of several months in different ways, such sightings ceased and over the next years I would only see much vaguer things I would equate with discarnates occasionally, but dreams with Do and/or students continue on occasion, usually to correct me, like when I was trying to start up a relationship with a young woman my vehicle was smitten with and Do came to me in a dream and said, “how about being faithful to me?” which has helped me stay on track in that regard ever since. It’s because of the relationship I had with Do, together with my desire to be in his service that he was correcting me and I knew it was him. Had he come to me to encourage such a relationship I would have known that would not be something he would do so it would have to be an incarnate, even though I could always justify it in some way. I wasn’t technically starting a relationship but I can’t deny that there wasn’t a subtle desire for such to come to pass even though it wouldn’t have been like the relationship I had for 17 years before that.

These dreams have all the power of Do’s mind in them so for me to ignore them would be a fall that would have consequences as they don’t need me – I need Ti and Do, that is if I want to be a member of their crew, a student in training for a future Overcoming classroom.

So in that sense, dreams have helped me have stronger faith. I never ceased believing in them but then that’s a degreed condition, as to believe but not abide by any of their teachings is hardly what that term was meant to mean when Jesus said it. It really meant to “put one’s trust and faith in all the Older Members taught”. One is doing that in degrees as they both accept all of their teachings and seek the strength to apply each lesson step while the Next Level considers what they know each of us is capable of living up to that is beyond the words. To those that much is given, much is required. If we don’t invest what we are given what we have already received is even taken away. Many chances are given, though should not be assumed as even the taking away seems to be gradual. Ti and Do said Lucifer was given many chances to reinstate a relationship with, as Ti put it, “the Lord”.

These dreams or premonitions don’t really add up to that trust and faith in our Older Members if we don’t allow the establishment of a substantial program of belief in everything they say, regardless of how completely, which we won’t know until we apply it and thus experience it’s truth built into proof and thus further faith in Their reality and lesson plan for us. Of course 2000 years ago the proof given the students like Thomas was a big demonstration of all Jesus had taught before then, but some of them needed that proof then. Those among them that returned in Soul form to take new human bodies to complete their overcoming of humanness through can’t be given that level of proof as then too much of their faith would be provided by convincing the vehicle when doubt is part of the footstool to rise above by our Mind’s recognition alone. Drawing in that Mind is what is happening when we adhere to all the Older Members teach during their incarnation which applies to those who come to believe in them after they exit as well. That’s part of why it’s framed as a “spirit/mind birth” being administered by the Older Members. One must draw in the Pure (holy) mind from their Older Member and make it their Mind/Spirit that completely washes the human vehicle clean of humanness, at least enough to be “viable” to be born into a Next Level vehicle or even an in between human and Next Level vehicle – a vehicle like the fallen angels had. Ti and Do said that the new graduates would be replacing those who fell away. It’s practical. If they tell us to stand on our heads and we do it, we are drawing on their Mind. If we stand on our heads for any other reason we are not drawing on their Mind. Ti and Do illustrated that a number of times by saying they felt they could simply recite the ABC’s and if we accepted it we’d be drawing from their minds. We would have meetings where Ti and Do would be talking about mundane procedures of how to measure the salt and flour. Some students, we learned by their questions/comments during the meeting that was indirectly saying they saw a better way of doing something. Ti and Do would often consider what the student was saying but then would come back to us in another meeting to make a lesson out of it, saying that they knew there were “better” ways we could come up with to do things but that they weren’t given to give us those ways. That became a big challenge to some. Someone who doesn’t believe in them at all sees much of the time spent on such mundane things as evidence that they were not so called “gods” and some of the students then dealt with those kinds of doubts, so it became yet another test for them to recognize it was an influence that had them entertain the doubt. It wasn’t a no no to have a doubt. It was a no no to let it linger in our heads for the longer it did the greater foothold it had on us and would eventually escalate to dropping out of the classroom.

And premonitions can also be generated by discarnates and/or the space aliens, so become a degree of proof of what we already are programmed to accept. For instance if I had been one who experienced the Fatima sighting or was abducted by space aliens and told something as a contactee and it seemed to have truth to it, I would potentially become a stronger servant of whoever provided that premonition or forcast. Ti and Do said that those that had the potential to become their students were not allowed to be abducted by space aliens. Now saying that might have applied most to those who were returning for a graduate class so someone reading this considering Ti and Do as their teachers to whatever degree that may have had some type of abduction experience wouldn’t mean they should give up on becoming students of Ti and Do. In fact anyone at any time regardless of what they have or have not experienced is still eligible to become Ti and Do’s student. They simply have to ask them, trusting they will be shown the way. I believe that since I had dropped out after having received so much, it was evidence that my influences had a strong hold on my vehicle, so that it took these kinds of minor proves to help me kick them out enough to be able to reconstitute a working relationship again. I must have needed that help while it can look to someone who didn’t have those experiences as my being special or blessed. Well, yes it is being blessed. We are also blessed when a major pillar of our humanness is taken away from us. Ti and Do said that Cain actually received the greater blessing when his offering wasn’t accepted by the Lord because a blessing from the Next Level is providing us with a challenge they know we can rise up to, that helps us further detach from the human kingdom even if it’s giving us something that is human because it’s what we want. In that case the Next Level wants us to have it, so we can learn that it wasn’t what we really wanted, though for some they get what they want and become satisfied with it and/or want more of the same. If that’s the case they don’t have the strength it takes (at least at that time) to get out of the human things they got into, though the Next Level will still give them further opportunities.

Ti and Do did also talk about Members of the Next Level circulating physically among us (human vehicles) in such a way that humans can not see. I guess that’s the third way in which they operate and why they are thought to be the same as discarnates. But Ti and Do said that Members of the Next Level serving in that capacity are NOT discarnates. They actually have physical bodies, but just like Jesus was able to demonstrate could alter the vibration of vehicles to they were rendered invisible to humans. Ti and Do said they could have an entire spacecraft literally engulfing our “craft” (house) and that if they allowed us to, if we touched them or bumped into them, we would feel their physicality, though they didn’t elaborate as to what we would feel. A human discarnate would not be felt by us as they are etheric. I don’t know if some or all of the fallen angels had physical bodies like these. I think not, though the fallen angels I do believe have a stronger capacity to influence humans and perform “tricks”. In fact that’s what Ti and Do said about, as you said, so called miricles like Fatima for example. They felt that was like a hologram the lower forces, fallen angel, space aliens generated.

Ti and Do once sent us to a theosophical society meeting, I believe in California somewhere just to observe. I remember seeing pictures and hear talk about some of these ascended masters transporting jewels through the palms of their hands. All Ti and Do said about this kind of thing was that it was a “trick” but I don’t think they meant a trick in the way a magician like Houdini does a trick exactly but then again, maybe so – a sleight of hand or a way of distracting the eye/mind. The Fatima event could have easily been done with technology as well, from a space alien spacecraft whether it’s technology we think of as physical as a computer or mental through a human or human equivalent biological computer.

Ti and Do did indicate that many diseases were the result of a discarnate’s relationship with a human, at times because that discarnate before death had a condition, by their interface with a human vehicle was transferring because it’s a program that the human receiving has allowed to take them over. They indicated that some breast cancers were from the result of guilt of some sort for that human, a form of negativity they had come to accept just like someone unknowingly accepts a discarnate for something seen as positive, like becoming a great sport’s or other entertainment or political figure for instance. When we accept any discarnates programming (mind) we get all they vibrated while alive though choose what to accept or reject the same as any programming put upon us. That programming directs cells to behave in a certain way to “run that program”.

Jesus said upon return it would be the returning lower forces that showed “signs” by performing tricks that could fool even the “elect” – the “chosen”, those who are given deposits of Next Level Mind that then provides a choice of what to believe in and what to reject – what to allow to build us into an instrument for the lower forces by becoming a “teacher” of spiritual transformation and enlightening or by becoming a student of the only real teachers from the Next Level who do not seek to stand out in the human kingdom to attract other humans to their self. They seek to only attract humans to the Mind given them by their Older Members and they only do that if that’s the task they were assigned so they are doing it for their Older Member not for the humans that could benefit from it. This way students are only looking upward, while any human can be used by the Next Level to reveal certain things to those that are asking to be in service to their Older Members. So it’s not like a student servant should block off where they get their information from as really we don’t know who has been given pieces of the truth that then in our continued searching can become the instrument know it or not of our further awakening in whatever tasks we seek to do for our Older Members. Ultimately any task we have is for US to grow from performing though the Next Level at the same time uses every servant to deliver to others who want to serve pieces of the true puzzle to further enable their serviceability.

Ti and Do did have us try to heal Brnody’s vehicle by laying our hands on her legs. I was one of them given that task on two occasions and can’t say I felt any special power coming through me and nor did I see any change in Brnody’s vehicle. She was largely in a wheel chair at that time as her legs were totally twisted with major knee inflammation. Ti had said it was part of the lesson Brnody needed. In the world she was very self reliant and with very strong opinions so for her to yield to anyone else’s will, including her teachers was a big challenge for her. It was a battle with an influence she had accepted. We all had those influences though they surfaced in different ways but it’s all part of the overcoming process. So why didn’t the laying on hands work as weren’t disciples supposed to be able to heal the sick, etc. Well, yes that was for the Jesus time and thereafter for a time. The Next Level can step in to help someone heal – run an influence away and as Jesus said, some required both “prayer” – asking our Older Member’s help AND “fasting” – treating with physical cleansing of toxins (that could go hand in hand with a discarnates programming). One could wonder if Ti and Do got that instruction to have some classmates lay hands on Brnody’s vehicle as a test of them and Brnody.

Sawyer regrets leaving Ti & Do’s Heaven’s Gate Classroom but hadn’t overcome Ego and Sexuality

April 9, 2015

Sawyer regrets leaving Ti & Do’s Heaven’s Gate Classroom but hadn’t overcome Ego and Sexuality

I was asked these two questions:

1) Do you ever regret leaving the classroom?

Yes I do regret leaving, yet at the same time, I was not learning a major lesson by staying. I’m not saying I couldn’t have learned it, and it could have been that I could have left my body as they did, which I was fully engaged in doing for a long time, and then, as some others been assigned a task that would be an opportunity to learn what I yet hadn’t. Do said that there were some in the classroom, though they were fully committed, still had more to learn before they would be provided with a Next Level vehicle.

In case you havn’t seen nor heard me talk about what this lesson was for me…

I was simply too full of myself, though I didn’t know it and in most ways didn’t act it either. In my mind, giving my life was the act of a hero, a martyr for God, a zealot and though that can be a stage, as with all things human, it wasn’t a next level attitude because it is so focused on being “seen as special”. Before Ti left she gave many students, perhaps all, I suspect, a note that contained points that Ti said if not learned sufficiently would “keep you off the spacecraft”. In other words as Do later put it…You would not be accepted on Ti’s crew as long as you hadn’t overcome/conquered these human characteristics. I had three things on my list.

1) likes to be seen as something special
2) a little too pleased with self
3) sarcastic (mostly with humans)

That was it but I didn’t know what to make of these except for the last one. When I was at what we called an “out of craft task” meaning a job outside the classroom environment, thus among those who weren’t trying to exit the human kingdom as we saw it, then I would at times be sarcastic in regards to the behavior of some whom I worked with. For instance I would sort of lord over them with zealotry, in particular, at a job that was cooking dinner, when another cook would get all angry and start using 4 letter words with yelling at others and the waiters/waitresses, I would at times indicate they were out of place – not needing to be vulgar, etc. and I didn’t come accross to them in a helpful way, but a sarcastic way.

Ti knew of some of the instances as I reported some but in particular I was fired by a job or two as a result though perhaps there was more to it, but Ti didn’t need to see a lot of examples to know this was a weakness of mine, as I was not at the job to try to change the way others were acting, though if they were acting that way to me, it would have been a different story but still not one to be sarcastic about, as if to put them into their place, while I held the higher ground.

After I left for a period of time I remember being critical of Ti’s telling me I like to be seen as special. I recall thinking…”no Ti I want to BE special, not be seen as special, and what’s wrong with that”. It was nearly 10 years after I left that I woke up to what Ti was saying.

Here it is the reason I fell off the sexual abstinance wagon by allowing thoughts that resulted in masturbation was because I had screamed to Ti (while Ti was outside the vehicle she’d had – what was diagnosed as liver cancer that started in her eye several years before she left), that I wanted a task like Do’s, like Jesus had. I had become so full of myself from working so closely with Do on so many tasks, helping fellow students, being the overseer of groups of fellow students in the 1994 2nd public face to face offerring of the info, doing a bunch of the speaking on video’s and in public meetings and on TV and Radio and for news articles and helped edit Rob Balch’s book on behalf of Do and was in someways looked up to for my self control (though I always was far more permissive of my eyes and thoughts at time in regards to sensuality/sexuality), though in someways I also accomplished a great deal in that discipline.

However I didn’t realize that Ti and Do’s crew were regulating how much temptation I was explosed to, which I did have several times I became privy to understanding. I knew at least in theory, but from my own experience that if Ti turned up the heat, I could be brought to my knees with my self discipline so when I inside my head demanded of Ti that I have a more challenging task, it was like saying the task I had was too easy so lay it on me, which wasn’t a negative to request, but I was doing so with a type of arrogance. Having the thirst to grow faster and serve more is great but that’s not where my head was entirely as I was operating for me, for my sense of heightening my self importance/value status. This wasn’t the first time but I didn’t see this until way after the fact.

But it wasn’t even hours after I screamed to Ti to demand faster growth and a task like Do had, (that I was not even remotley capable of handling because I had no idea what influences/discarnates he was regularily subject to – I did have some experience with knowing when you become a figurehead, as in any human organization as well, there are more that want what you have so there is competition and so one must build a skin to handle the associated stresses of popularity, not to mention what one gets when lots of people hate you and wish you were dead, which Ti and Do both received mostly indirectly via thoughts and feelings from relatives of their students as well as all the criticisms from students and students discarnate influences, Luciferian advasaries – They are legitimately being attacked around the clock with doubts about who they are and what they are responsible for – as Do wrote in 88Update, “not a day went by that I didn’t question my sanity”. Ti and Do told us they ran off our influences from us often. They knew which thoughts were the influences that focused on them from the ones that were from their students. The ones from students were not that hard to run off but it’s like being in a forest full of mosquitos – after a long day of bombardment it’s exhausting as anyone with a mentally stressful job can attest to.

Well their jobs was mental stress to the enth degree as they were not at all satisfied with themselves. They were always seeking how to help each student with their overcoming and how to move the overcall classroom to their next step which entailed physical considerations as well as how each student will respond – not wanting to lose them while not wanting to short them on what they needed to experience either, helping them make up theri own minds about what they wanted, the classroom or something in the world. If people knew to what lengths Ti and Do went to be sure each student genuinly to the best of their abilty wanted to do, they’d have no choice but to be in awe of these two and yet one would see any sign of this with Ti and it was only after Ti left that we saw the toll this took on Do, though how he rose above the weights each time)
that I was having sexual images in my head that I didn’t seem to have any abilty to stop or limit or distract myself from. I didn’t even seem to have the energy to want to stop them so at that moment I was out of control, when I thought I was so in control.

And yet after Do noticed how I’d become distant from him and I told him what I was doing, which was perhaps a week into regular masturbastion He asked me what I wanted to do and how he could help. I said, I needed to expose my breaking of vows/instructions to my fellow students, a regular occurance throughout the classroom and then at one point Do said to the group about me, that perhasp the hardest lesson any of us can have is failure. But at that point it was like I wasn’t even there and though in our “major/minor offense list” my actions and the deceit of hiding it were both grounds to be dismissed from the classroom, to which Do said, because I wasn’t threatening others with my loss of self control and because he said I had a lot to offer the Next Level so didn’t want to “throw me away”….that can sound harsh but in reality he had at that point 30 something other students that he was for his Older Member Ti responsible to bring through their individual birth canal. If any one student jeopardized another classmate’s viable birth or the mission, then that one was expendible, meaning they would be dismissed and given a plane ticket to where they wanted to do, usually with the option of coming back should they want to take a new stab at their overcoming process, which actually did happen with 19 students once sort of that way, but with 2 others with exactly that kind of ultimatum – that they needed to leave but if they wanted to tackle the lesson that caused them to be dismissed they would be accepted back. And we had a half way house for a while as well.

So now I’m in this semi-comfortable position. I’ve pushed past my fears of getting reinvolved which took years and began to be public with my experiences for the last 10 years, escalating more and more with a number of what I feel are contacts from Ti and from Do and from various classmates in dreams and in a sense of a open phone line and in theory I’m prepared to lose my life to this task, (though I doubt anyone takes it seriously enough to want to do away with the likes of me), yet at the same time I know I can offer Do more but feel for the moment I’m still doing what he’d have me do. But I’m very clear that in the not too distant future some major changes will take place that will make the 9/11 attack that brought endlenss war with no tangible enemy (the red horse) and endless financial crisis weights and balancing (the black horse) that will make it very unwise to be seen as soliciting new cult members (which I am not, but that’s never believed fully by those who know nothing about Ti and Do’s efforts), yet I must continue and when the internet becomes too restrictive in so doing (if that is what takes place eventually) then I know I must go on the road with the information, even church to church which can sound like a noble effort to some and to me in times past – you know that martyr/zealot syndrome that I don’t want to do, but I would not be able to just live out my vehicles days keeping what I know about Ti and Do bottled up.

So in some ways I do wish I would have stayed with them and left with them as I thought I was ready to do but as I have some roots re-established that are often fragile, I do feel further testing of my resolve and trust in Ti and Do will present itself which I really don’t feel that strong to deal with, but all I need to do is ask Do for help and I will get it but then I have to impliment that help. I still have the same lessons to face and in a way they are harder now, having failed once.

2) Why did you leave the classroom?  I hadn’t overcome Ego and sensuality in the form of Sexuality thoroughly explained:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/sawyers-experience-with-sexuality-in-ti-dos-classroom/

Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate Hale Bopp Comet Anniversity in progress with A new highly unsual UFO Comet

February 22, 2015

As predicted and even like clockwork here is another Comet that has the folks at NASA and JPL and ESA and everywhere else as they say “Puzzling” and “scratching their heads”. And in this blub they are still calling it an “icy visitor” yet not much bigger than a “comet-boulder” another new term, so how does a ball of ice and rock survive Sun temperatures. They can’t claim it didn’t survive the sun as they did with the 2013 September comet ISON. (It did survive the sun though the media didn’t cover it as that’s not really supposed to happen to an icy rock).

First I will post what Spaceweather.com posted and then what I found on youtube that is much more revealing what even looks like a “flying saucer” shaped “comet”, but don’t take my word for it, look at the video and watch all the progress and reality deniers squirm to come up with explanations and debunking for fear of the truth. If it’s not a comet after all, then the FACT that it’s much smaller and doesn’t act like comets begins to make more sense.

And of course look when it’s happening. February 19, 2015 just as we saw quite surprising events in Feb-Mar of 2013 – meteor hit in Russia, the near miss asteroid and comet Pan Starrs with the OBJECT photographed flying AHEAD of it’s coma and then fireballs all over the world with most in the US and across the eastern seaboard and then Feb-Mar of 2014 also included a near miss asteroid, fireball and a very bright unexpected comet. That was followed by the of very unusual September-October comet ISON that when studied with software to uncloak satellite telescope images NASA disguised with software looked like a flying WING that came out of the other side of the sun and was no longer followed by the media but looked like 7 objects in a V formation. Then just last October with comet Siding Spring caused a huge visible explosion on Mars when it passed very close by to be seen at:

So here is what Spaceweather.com is saying about this new surviving sungrazer that came out of nowhere they have EVER seen before, they say:

*** spaceweather.com post: ***

UNUSUAL COMET DIVE-BOMBS THE SUN: Astronomers are puzzling over a comet that passed “insanely close” to the sun on Feb. 19th. At first glance it appeared to be a small object, not much bigger than a comet-boulder, doomed to disintegrate in the fierce heat. Instead, it has emerged apparently intact and is actually brightening as it recedes from the sun. Click to view a post-flyby movie recorded on Feb. 20th by the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO):

Unofficially, the icy visitor is being called “SOHO-2875,” because it is SOHO’s 2,875th comet discovery.

Karl Battams of the Naval Research Lab explains what’s odd about SOHO-2875: “It’s a ‘non-group comet,’ meaning that it does not appear to be related to any other comet or comet family that we have on record.”

Most comets that SOHO sees belong to the Kreutz family. Kreutz sungrazers are fragments from the breakup of a single giant comet many centuries ago. They get their name from 19th century German astronomer Heinrich Kreutz, who studied them in detail. SOHO-2875, however, is not one of those fragments.

“Non-group comets like this appear a few times a year, so in that sense it’s not toounusual,” continues Battams. “But this one is relatively bright. The big question most people will have now is, Can I see it, or will I be able to see it, from Earth? At first I thought the answer was no. But I am very pleasantly surprised–shocked in fact! The comet has brightened dramatically and now is sporting an increasingly impressive tail. Visibility from Earth in a few weeks is no longer out of the question, although I still wouldn’t put money on it.”

“I’ll continue to tweet updates on my twitter.com/SungrazerComets feed, so folks can follow along there too.”

***end of spaceweather post***

Here is the youtube post that shows the comet surviving the sun encounter:

Humans are being dummed down. Many are incapable of critical thinking though they will quote the academics past and are satisfied with illogical answers to the many observations that can not be denied by someone with any intelligence.

Comments against Ti and Do and their teachings and Sawyer’s responses

February 19, 2015

Here are my responses to a avid follower of my posts who is critical of most everything Ti and Do taught and that I post in their favor. I don’t have a problem with his criticism though at times it has been trying to deal with as it can be so lacking of evidence except in his opinions. So this time since his statements may reflect many others now or to come I tried to provide comments on the main points in his latest comment.

1) You said “if there is a cosmic truth to existence that we can know, then it would be something we can arrive at ourselves… I shouldn’t have to have stumbled upon some random cult leader to ascertain that truth”.

How else do we get ANY information except by “stumbling” upon it, whether in school where we are stumbled into whether we like it or not or by society if we have the least amount of curiosity. Please tell me what about this response to your statement doesn’t have some common sense to it. We don’t learn or do anything by ourselves. It seems impossible relative to human existence as I see it now.

2) You said “I know how you’ll answer this, but what if you had lived your whole life in Vera Cruz, Mexico? You would have never seen, heard of, or given a crap about H & BL. Your answer will be that it was inevitable you’d meet them because.”

You are both right and wrong about this in my opinion. No matter where in the world I lived how can you even suggest it would not be possible to become aware of something that became national news in the U.S. and affiliates and also international news or for the international people that got far less exposure by having reason to migrate to where the news was more apparant, like all the migrants from Mexico for instance. One classmate was going to school in Corvalis from Venezula. Others were from Edmonton, Canada. Another was from southeast asia and then of course most all of us were from many countries whose parents migrated to the biggest melting pot on earth, that is since our current history, seems safe to say. But if one believes in what Ti and Do said and that Jesus said, all his believers and those who were against him would be returning to the new area of the world because the Kingdom of God was being taken away from the middle east. So if that was true and if it was also true that the Kingdom of God plants “seeds” (deposits of their mind as a soul pocket) then those that get the seed are directed to be on the path where they can have the best access to the incoming trumpet blowing undercover operatives from the Next Level sent to gather those vehicles that received those seeds as Jesus said would happen.

3) you said, “They weren’t famous at all… an article or two, a book, but to the public they were nothing — I’d never heard of them until the suicides… people read the articles, but they were so ridiculous that nobody took them seriously.”

So the judge of whether or not they have anything to say that is legitimate is in your view only if they become “famous” in the way you believe in. Perhaps, they have to write a book that becomes a best seller or be on TV. Article or two??? How about thousands of articles in newspapers across the U.S. from 1975 to at least 1982. A grade B made for TV movie in 1982 that millions probably watched. How about the New York Times magazine section front cover and long article about Bo and Peep that had international exposure in 1976. How about National news on EVERY news station for at least a week or two of nightly coverage from Walter Cronkite from late September of 1975 to October of 1975. I assume there was plenty of talk on the radio at least on the news since it was on the wire services. How about Psychology Today in 1976. How about the fact that the FBI got involved due to thinking there was a link to cattle mutilations in the midwest? Then the books and chapters in books; There was the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” by Brad Steiger and Hayden Hewes, two respected names in science fiction writing and UFO investigation respectively. Then how about over a hundred meetings in most every major U.S. City over a year’s time at Universities and in public libraries that some had accompanying newspaper advertising from april of 1975 to may of 1976. Each of those meetings had hundreds of posters plastered at most all book stores and new age centers and coops and health food stores and libraries and on telephone poles and in store windows in the vicinity of the towns/cities where the meetings were given that also involved talking to shop owners. Also the thousands of churches that were “tested” as at least 100 students trekked around the country seeking help with food and gas and shelter from those who said they were in service to the Lord. Many times that seeking of help resulted in conversations about Bo (Do) and Peep (Ti). There were also hundreds of parents and siblings and friends concerned who talked and some hired investigators (jwnody’s brother was a police officer who hired an investigator). Alxody’s vehicle’s mother formed a network of parents that were active in touch with the “cult awareness network”. There was more publicity that I didn’t know about. Plus the story wasn’t exactly run of the mill. 27 or more people left their lives behind that created a huge amount of talk in the towns where they were known that I can talk specifically about – to as reported rendezvous with a UFO to go to heaven (though they often left off the “heaven” part). Certainly when Cronkite came out to say, they were two texans and had been arrested and that Applewhite was a convicted felon, most put it out of their mind because it could not be possible that “He would come as a thief”, a curious coincidence of terms Ti and Do did nothing to fulfill in that way.

4.) you said, “What would you be now if you hadn’t met them? Maybe a Mount Shasta variety Buddhist? It would be something unusual because I think that is part of your gig.”

No, I don’t think I would have become a Buddhist. I did read up on such things. I didn’t join with the Maharishi Mehesh Yogi who had a regular recruitment in NYC because I would have had to stop smoking pot and I was 17 at that time and really liked my pot. I was fond of many of the spiritual books in 1968-1972 but I moved to British Columbia from NY to homestead but got deported for a stupid slip up on my part as I was living in Canada illegally. So I stayed with “Jesus freaks” in Yakima and they tried to convince me of what they believed and I told them there was too much in scripture that seemed “contradictory”, though I always thought Jesus was a hero though hated the Catholic church ways I experienced so ditched any membership in such an organization. Then when my friends were getting into meditation in Newport, Oregon in 1972 I tried it and would always fall asleep and so was bored. Then when one of my music buddies became a disciple of Sri Chin Moy and wanted me and my girlfriend to meditate with him on his guru’s picture I tried it and it felt weird to be looking at this indian fellow as someone to follow. I did try to study parmahansa yogananda’s teachings and remember wanting to be enlightened like him and then I was given the bhagvad gita by a krishna devoutee at an airport where I was working for food stamps, the program they had in San Diego I would read the stories and not understand what they were talking about but it felt holy so I continued reading for a while.

So no, I suppose I would have continued with playing in bands and who knows from there but I doubt I would have become spiritual in any organized way. I was interested in “spirits” as reality and I had debates with Christians on the streets fairly often. So my “gig” as you call it, if it was unusual certainly wasn’t planned as you tend to suggest.

5) You said, “What about intelligence? H & BL weren’t very bright… I would expect a “next level” mind to be at least bright and intelligent”.

Even by your standard of intelligence why would you think they weren’t intelligent. Do you think being a nurse for preemie babies in the Houston Hospital system, with an interest in theosophy and astrology, who had a family of three girls, two of which were retarded was someone who wouldn’t have intelligence? And Do was a college grad who was in the military at white sands missile range as a communications specialist who tried seminary and dropped out because they were too limiting in what they would study and talk/think about. He was a professor of music and a star to some degree with lead roles in the Houston Opera. He taught at St. Thomas University and would eat lunch with Dan Rather who worked for CBS whose office was across the street. He mingled with high society types in Houston. He graduated with Farah Faucet (sp?). He was divoced and had children and was living a gay or bi lifestyle, though was not happy in it because he wanted a committed relationship. All the gay people I’ve met, for some reason seem to be quite intelligent moreso than many of the hetero brutes and I was never attracted to the same sex. Does any of this qualify his intelligence? If not then please explain why not?

6.) you said, “Maybe they’d figure out a way to live within the law instead of having 30 people shacked up in a house against zoning laws? Huh? That is something they certainly could have controlled… but as it was, their “whole mission” could be jeopardized by one ODY telling a co-worker something… and that DID happen… Do was about as flustered as I’d ever heard him on the tapes… you could hear his desperation a little bit — or maybe it was exasperation but it doesn’t matter.

So if srrody told someone at his job in the world where he lived and an investigator found out and got the police to come to our residence with charges trumped up because we did nothing genuinely illegal unless you of course believe all the laws are just and fair then wouldn’t it be a disruption of what they felt was their mission whether you agree with the mission’s validity or not? So was Do not allowed to be “exasperated” because it doesn’t match your idea of “holiness” you don’t believe in anyway?

7) you said, “the whole mythology is just so ugly and convoluted and so undoubtedly made up”.

What about Ti and Do was myth. Can something be called a myth when it’s in progress. Doesn’t myth refer to a story of the past. Of course if you believe the records of Jesus life were made up even though there is considerable evidence of Pilot and Herod and the Jewish treatment of a person with that name and Josephus, a non believer in Jesus, writings that confirm he was a real person and other references with the addition of the manuscript discoveries in Qumran and the Nag Hammadi discoveries in the 1940’s and 1950’s, then what can I say – it’s your choice what to consider true or false about history.

And what is it about Jesus or Ti and Do’s life that was “ugly”. Do not humans with belief systems of all kinds end up giving their lives to various causes. Thousands of U.S. soldiers died, many of which thought they were serving a truthful and worthy government. Many activists give their lives to bring peace and justice to their country and people. Emergency workers sometimes give their lives to save others. People do death defying things for thrill of it or to try to get famous. A case can be made that these are not worthy causes. Jesus follower risked their lives by talking about him and their belief in him. Jesus said that giving your life is the highest form of showing love for another. The students of Ti and Do chose to give their lives. There is no evidence at all that anyone was manipulated or pressured and some left even weeks before they laid down their lives and Ti and Do didn’t let some join them and sent others out of their group and sought to even pay some students to leave because they didn’t want anyone staying with them because it became comfortable. There was zero evidence of any abuses and there were over a hundred dropouts with only trivial complaints against them. eg. they didn’t like the procedure on the direction to shave (despite the fact that they didn’t have to follow that rule and why that became a rul to begin with – it was from someone asking how Do shaved. If anyone had a problem with a procedure they were free to state their problem and often an exception was made for them. I have dozens of examples, but part of the program was to learn to follow instructions no matter how small. This often separated those who were not committed enough for their program and Ti and Do regularly gave out airplane tickets and money and in one case a bus ticket to travel by bus for a year, to those that wanted to leave. I was given a plane ticket and $600 in cash when I chose to leave. Ti and Do never wanted anyone to leave. Even those they felt they had instruction to separate from their classroom they sought to stay in touch with if they wanted to stay in touch. They sent me a message through Rkkody to see where my head was at, if I had changed. I know the parents of some of those who joined in 1994 and one that joined in 1996 were most upset by the news of their loved one’s chosen exit of their body. But unlike the groups like Jim Jones and Solar Temple and Branch Davidians there were only adults in Ti and Do’s group. No children. I sympathize with those who lost loved ones. It is painful. I know it would be painful for me in their place. In fact when my partner broke up with me, even though I knew it was best it did hurt a great deal and when my daughter went to live with her mother I felt that root system pull hard on me for quite a while and still does at times. I can imagine that the parent of a son or daughter who takes their own life is a huge tug to deal with. But as I also have dealt with thinking I had cancer, it hurts but if we seek the help from the Next Level with our pain, no matter what we call those Above Human Beings in their kingdom, they will help us to deal with the fact that life in the human kingdom is temporary for all of us and there are no guarantees how it’s going to go, who is going to get sick and who is not and who is going to die before who. For those that don’t believe there are Creators with a plan, I don’t know what they can do to ease their pain, whatever it is from.

With that said, I don’t know what was “ugly” about Ti and Do unless the fact that all life on earth is temporary. If that is ugly then I guess life is ugly to have in the first place as if you never existed you would never experience an end to you or others existence.

8) you said, “heck you were jacking off long before you quit the group”.

That’s not true. I first masturbated late in 1993, 18 years after joining. I never even touched my privates to try to stimulate excitement for those 18 years though I certainly could have done a better job in control of my eyes though on the thought level became pretty good at. I never thought about the sex act at all in those 18 years. I did feel attraction to females in the group but I never imagined myself being intimate with any of them. My battle was turning my eyes away and then of course cutting off the stimulant that even a few seconds of looking at something stimulated. After 18 years of celibacy it took next to nothing to start to become stimulated.

9) You said, “you folks believed because you really wanted it to be true — you really wanted Do to be who he said he was… why not bet the farm on that he’s who he says he is???”

Shooting in the dark – I understand. Don’t want it to reflect the truth – that’s the choice you seem to want to take and that is fine. There is no value to convincing anyone anyway, but belief because of some need to believe doesn’t make any real sense unless it is to escape the life we have which if you actually look at the lives of the students you won’t find much if any of. Do the research of dropouts. See if they joined to escape something in life they were ashamed of or were running from facing. Then perhaps for that one, you could make a case for their belief because they wanted/needed to believe in something so to not deal with who they were or what they had done.

10) you said, “20 years and nothing? Earth about to be recycled? Life goes on.”

Sorry, but Life doesn’t go on indefinitely for anyone and the Next Level are not on our earth based time frame. If you live a short time more you will see more and more of the recycling. Global Warming is fairly telling and the prophecy says the human kingdom (earth) will be destroyed by “fire” this time. It seems that will be stimulated primarily by the way the Next Level has control over the sun, the reason Al Gore had his satellite just launched to just look at the sun as other satellites do because they have seen many very unusual things on the sun even without the satellite telescopes. But the “fire” I suspect is also a death because of “passion” whether by unbridled sensuality in all it’s forms; sexuality and related responses in disease, mental and physical or from anger and hatreds and negativity and war.


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