Sawyer’s response to facebook friends Post about population control

Posted on Heaven’s Gate’s facebook (sawyer heavensgae) Wall by Cory:

 “Something “bad” to ponder : there’s always a search or seeking of donations for cures for Aids and cancer, yet never any real progress – is it a money making scam to a certain degree? If every doctor voluntarily worked one day unpaid, would the funding be better spent? Is a cure for Aids or cancer even necessarily a “good” thing? Imagine there was a cure and how positive that could be. Now imagine if everyone who died from that in the last 2 years were still alive today and negative that would be. If people are like rodents just ruining the earth, and just like hunting game can be justified, perhaps certain illnesses could be viewed as population control pesticide. I speaketh what others wish they dare not thinketh. Looking from the 360 degree viewpoint.”

Comment response by Sawyer:

I could be wrong but don’t think the Next Level instigates diseases, though one could say old age is a disease we all have which is Next Level designed. But humans largely create most diseases in various ways mostly by neglect(consciously or not) or maliciousness which includes ignoring changes when improvements are evident). Nor do I think the Next Level looks at humans as rodents. The examples Ti and Do, as Jesus w/His Father used most were comparing humans to wild or tamable, even servicable(not as slaves but as potential co-worker) horses, dogs (but not dogs in a looking down upon way) or children responding respectfully(not submissivly though) to their life giving parents and/or as plants that have the potential to become prize roses or if they choose repeately, weeds. The beauty of a rose comes from a battling experience (thus the need for thorns to survive). The weeds present the battle thus the Next Level can use the choices of plants to become advasarial weeds, aka discarnate influences but also space alien bird like predators(though they talk peace and love). In 19+ years with them, I never heard Ti and Do speak about population control though they said the Earth has become overrun by the weeds, rendering a needed re-tiling of it’s surface to start a new planting, what Jesus also said was in the cards because it’s how the garden is grown.

Do said the human kingdom wasn’t designed to work, wasn’t supposed to be a final evolutionary destination which is why human can not make heaven/nirvana exist on Earth, though representatives from the Kingdom in the literal heaven’s are always here to some degree but continually hide their physical presence.

Now some space aliens, no doubt could be interested in preserving certain natural resources for their own continued harvesting so could very well care a great deal about population control. They don’t create garden environments like Earth. That’s why they are here, to gather what they need/want to survive/thrive in which they want humans to be partners with them, thus they are instigating more and more of their own exposure to humans.

But it’s tricky for them. Too much exposure too fast and their own lives will be threatened.

Meanwhile governments whom they seek to also control (and do control to degrees) by influencing key players also are playing the same deceitful and deadly games, playing both sides – seeking to appear righteous in whatever their agendas while rushing as fast as possible to have equivilent technology with which to be able to mount an effective battle against anyone they deem a threat, human or space alien(human equivilents), though they don’t know nor believe that there are those who are actually not human equivilent whom are coming closer to escalate the Earth’s recycling. They think these are also space aliens which is the same mindset of the space aliens, their thinking that the one’s coming are simply a better equip race like themselves who aim to come to Earth to take over for their own agenda.

So everyone in the power circles are rushing as the rumors that are showing signs of coming to pass indicate the planet itself is about to change in a big way, so it’s kill or be killed kind of mentality which means building underground facilities with the best energy and survivalist systems, while protecting all their natural resoures which necessitates weapon/transortation systems to find more elements on, in and even from off Earth environments that some know exist because of what they acquired from crashed alien space crafts.

Now some space aliens are of Earth origin, though from a previous civilization driven underground to escape the last recycling. But some were allowed to find the heavenly highway to this solar system when they were seeking to do the same thing earth humans are hot in pursuit of now. This is how the Next Level provides sparing partners, predators that will naturally be useful to help the fruit/roses they are nurturing to grow strong and straight, by learning to see and ward off, even ignore the tactics that seek to keep humans from evolving past the human kingdom.

However, after the harvest of their prize roses, there is a period where the Next Level is offerring apprentising opportunities to any who are willing to open their minds to Their reality (which is not a relgious mindset, though the records are generally thought of as being religious). When the Next Level feels enough opportunity has been given, they will increase the throttle to bring the garden to it’s conclusion, while saving those that ask to be given future opportunity to live. But these must know the password which is more than just words as it’s like a “song”and also a type of seal summorized as the names Ti and Do that only their seed will even have a chance to respond favourably to while all others are fearful of.

Q&A-Continued connections w/Ti & Do & When a Soul can reach Next Level & Can we hold group meetings?

Question/comments by apparant new believer in Ti and Do as follows with my response thereafter:

New believer:

“I truly appreciate you replying. I guess it was a thirst for knowledge that kept me asking and tightening the screws so to speak. I decided to change those handles out of a respect for Ti and Do. The videos you have posted have certainly helped getting me in the right direction.

You got me on that one ever since I began accepting the teachings of ti and do I’ve been quite hard on myself. But when I think of what the next level holds in store it blows my mind and it makes me almost put a stranglehold on my self you know.

I do believe though that the NL has helped guide me to you and others to learn and to further my growth.

And yes whatever legitimate information you have of other sites, books, media and of course your own work please point me in the right direction.

I guess I have a couple of things I’d like to know

Like since Do has left how can there be people who have such a connection those who were left behind?

Now that a rep isn’t here does it mean that those who have received a “soul” have to wait until another comes before they can reach the NL?

One more quick one. I know the reason why there hasn’t been another class established but can someone set up a group like meeting?

And thanx again”

Sawyer’s answers in response:

1. More info:
Here are the list of current sources I can stand behind as being authentic. There are people creating sites and video’s and such that are not authentic, while there are some who are also producing vidoe’s where they are doing the best job they can do, but from new believers thus may or may not contain inaccuracies. If you come across anything I’d like to know about it so I can see if they are presenting inaccurate information. It’s just a matter of time before there is more and more disinformation circulated just as occurred after Jesus exited, starting subtly with Paul of Tarsus.

1) Number one direct source of info is still at:
http://www.Heavensgate.com
You can copy and paste all the articles and statements there.

The two individuals who are continueing to maintain the Heavensgate.com site were given the task by Do before they exited. They were also left with the book for publishing which they have done but to date don’t seem to be providing it anywhere. I am in touch with them and know them well. If you write to the email address on that site you might be able to buy the softcover book that is all the info that is otherwise provided for free on the site though it’s bound and may have some additions.

There is a site but I don’t know how reliable they are as I don’t know who maintains it, but you used to be able to download the Heaven’s gate book that can only be cut and pasted on heavensgate.com in .zip format at:
http://www.heavensgatetoo.com

2) Second equally good source for as long as it stays as it is today, is youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/1riverofangels
which has the Beyond Human Video Series posted and many of the Exit Video’s They produced before exiting their physical vehicles.

The 1riverofangels channel is maintained by Rio who was the last student to voluntarily “drop out” so to speak, which was several weeks before they exited their physical bodies. For reference purposes and as a help to authenticate my experience with Ti and Do, if you watch the first couple hour long episodes of that Beyond Human series, you will see Do introduce Sawyer and June as two student helpers. I am the one called Sawyer. I was named Sawyer by Do in the late 1970’s.

3)On youtube find a video series plus three other vidoes at:
http://www.youtube.com/3spm

I, Sawyer created these vidoe’s. I don’t believe I strayed from the delivery of Ti and Do information but it’s never pure  seeing video’s and/or hearing their voices and/or reading their words. However, Ti and Do’s primary focus were their few students and they never taught out of the Bible. They referenced the Bible in general ways and occasionally in specific when putting together certain articles. Some of their favorite quotes are included in their book. I say this because my 12 part video series I designed primarily for Christians though for new agers too as I re-translate many biblical prophesizes. These re-translations are not random or made up. I used Strongs Concordance for Greek and Hebrew words used in the OT and NT, where there were often a number of translation choices and because of frankly surfaced places that the translators just got wrong. However, the core of what jesus taught wasn’t misquoted. That goes on now in many or perhaps all Christian based classrooms, as they translate things that plainly seem literal into figures. What they are influenced to miss is that even the figures and metaphores also have a literal application as do the stories.

4) I (Sawyer) maintain a blog at:
http://www.sawyerhg.wordpress.com

5) Sawyer’s facebook account is:
http://www.facebook.com/sawyer.heavensgate

6) I(Sawyer) have published some articles on:
http://www.nowpublic.com/swyody

7) There is also a stash of actual digitized audio tapes from the actual inside the classroom meetings. Most times Ti and Do met with the group of students it was taped. There are well over 400 hours of these tapes going back to 1980 where you can get a feel for Ti as she was with us til 1985 and Do during that time and thereafter. The quality is not good but it’s able to be heard. That site is currently provided by Carlan who was in the classroom for a short time in 1994 but who is a full believer advocate of all of Ti and Do’s teachings. When Carlan first put these tapes online they were for free download but since then (some years ago) 4shared has begun to charge to download. None of what they charge goes to Carlan. The address is:

http://www.4shared.com/dir/14534948/45fa3e91/sharing.html

8) I (Sawyer) maintain a site at:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sawyer
where I have a year’s worth of podcasts free for listening and downloading plus many blog entries. I don’t think there is that much here that is of much significance. I’ve often written little articles on all the more important materials.

9) I would also suggest purchasing Rio’s book entitled: Beyond Human Mind though I don’t know where you can find it.

After that if you have questions I will try to help you by writing me an email at: sawyerhg@yahoo.com

2) I agree – the Next Level guides those they feel are seekers to those that have sought to be in Their service. You can count on their help with anything you ask though the help they give you can be anywhere from doing nothing to showing you signs or indicators in life circumstances to direct dreams. Your best address to use is Ti and Do. That’s a fastrack communications handle as Jesus and “Father in Heaven” was 2000 yrs ago. Over generations humans who die with degrees of belief in Ti and Do will often attempt to answer living humans “prayers” directed to Them so the handle eventually becomes diluted and not dependable. However, Ti and Do and their helpers never tell you what to do in any shape or form. They only give you indicators and often several and you will learn what are most likley of their origin. Don’t ever get into a place that is sure of such communications yet be willing to take baby steps in a particular direction you feel they are indicating for you to try, and see how it feels and always check your sense with them at every step. A general rule: If in doubt don’t. However, this can become a negative as another rule is also part of the picture of how a Next Level member operates in an Earth environment with only remote communications with their Older Member(Do) which is: “take a chance on a positive”.

3) Those vehicles, who were implanted with “soul” containers and who were “active students” in Ti and Do’s physical classroom literally received some of Their MIND(holy spirit/data/information/programs) by their experience. That MIND became theirs but just having it doesn’t mean it will be used for things supportive of Ti and Do (and the Next Level’s agenda on Earth). It depends if they use that mind, which keeps it active and that is accomplished by seeking a regular relationship with Ti and Do though they are invisible and asking for Next Steps in that service and help along the way to do it as they would have it done. Along with this is of course seeking to improve our behavior according to the ways of the Next Level. One can see some lists of those ways in the book The classroom had published before they left which is posted on heavensgate.com called The 17 steps, the first document given us and then afterwards the lists of Major and Minor offenses. Now some of these may not apply directly at this time due to our Older members not being physcialy incarnate. But they all at the very least will by enacting as best we can strengthen the “muscle”(what Ti called what we were building) to maintain control over our vehicle). It’s up to us and what we do or don’t do is individually viewed by Ti and Do and helpers. When we slip in trying to live by those high standards, we don’t let it become a guilt trip. We simply try to do a better job next time. It’s the effort that is invaluble to our future and it’s not our business displaying what we do or don’t do to others. In the classroom we had “slippage meetings” where we outwardly expressed those areas we feel we could have done a better job. In doing so we also stated the offense and with it a remedy to not do it again. If we do it again then we keep trying. That’s the main thing, to not give up.

However, with that said, our primary task at this time is to share the info Ti and Do brought which includes what they did. All these things will draw more of their MIND into our Soul container. When we die, Next Level members will greet us and lead us to their spacecraft where other believers are to be sort of “on ice” what Christians called “saved”, which simply meant not recycled but kept to provide a new opportunity to grow that soul into an individual who could even graduate the human condition at which time they’d be assigned a crew working for the Next Level directly that could lead to full membership in the Next Level which includes receipt of a Next Level grown vehicle that does not function as a human so can no longer fall back into a human condition.

Anyway, pertaining to your question, just because some dropped out or were asked to leave didn’t mean they didn’t do the best they could under the circumstances. We don’t ultimately fail unless we give up and refuse to change and seek the help and guidence and service of the Next Level, through our Older Members, Ti and Do.

Meanwhile the Next Level who Ti and Do always said were masters in taking any negative and using it for a positive, don’t give up on us. We give up on them. Thus even if we fall in any way shape or form, if we turn around and seek a relationship with Them again, they provide it. If we die and we had fallen and never sought to restart that relationship, then we have mostly sealed our fate depending on how strongly or thorougly we let our Next Level mind fall by the wayside. If you don’t use it you eventually lose even what you had.

Some of us who dropped out have sought to re-connect and have. It can never be taken for granted though. To those that much is given much is required. The Next Level is populated by individuals who love service and activity and thrive on challenges. After having left and then gradually returned to service, when I asked Do if I needed to prepare to “lay down my vehicle” as They did, somethng I was willing to do while I was with them, as this was not a casual decision by any means, He came to me clear as day and said, “give your life”. It’s the Next Level way to provide options not ultimatums, though there are certainly decision points of no return.

So those who were left behind were left behind because they for one reason or another wern’t ready. For me, it was that I wasn’t ready for the right reasons. I was still to occupied with ME, ME, MY, MY self importance or heroism, as a martry, holy person, etc. and I wasn’t learning that while in the classroom so Ti while outside her vehicle set up a circumstance that tested me big time in a way I was not prepared to deal with and I fell and had zero energy to pick myself up and didn’t even ask Them to help me so I eventually knew I had to leave and did. I explained this to some degree in part 12 of my vidoe series.

4) You ask:”Now that a rep isn’t here does it mean that those who have received a “soul” have to wait until another comes before they can reach the NL? I believe the answer is both, Yes and No to this, keyed on what reaching the Next Level is. When we receive a soul implant/chip/program set, which I don’t think is possible to believe in Ti and Do without, we are in the book so to speak and as long as we seek to grow, even when we die that soul body will be “saved” kept on ice and/or given certain tasks under the Next Level’s umbrella so in this way we are in the Next Level because the Next Level Mind is within us. However we can not advance towards our “spirit/soul birth” into membership in the Next Level, called a harvest or graduation unless we meet all the qualifications which include big time conquering, having victory over, ovecoming our humaness that requires taking over a human vehicle. That starts now by taking over our current vehicle. In fact, there is probably a Soul, a student still in soul form who was looking for a vehicle they could “take over” and had their eye on you. This individual would have probably been preparing you, your brain to receive their Next Level mind for a long time. They received their first installation of Next Level mind while they were that seeded implant in a human vehicle. The example in history was Adam receiving the breath of life from his Lord that made him a soul.

However, having another Soul seeking to take us over can only be done by our genuine acceptance. We are the decider of all this. And by receiveing any source of Next Level information/mind we are filling our own soul. In a real sense when a soul is brought back to have a new chance to build itself to a viable birth, they are using a human vehicle as an incubator. Ti and Do never used that word. It’s just an image I feel illustrates the process.

Ti and Do did not ever want to be individuals. They said they wanted to only be LINKS of their Older Members mind. Every member of the Next Level is thus a LINK of that HOLY MIND. Humans who think they are independant have little to no idea just how much they are NOT individuals. They are actually all hosts for discarnate humans from Earth or another once planetary garden. Thus we are all conduits for MIND. The choice is simply whether to house Human or Next Level MIND and the only place we can get Next Level mind is from a Next Level Older member though it can come through all the souls that choose to be linked to them, what a returning student soul is striving to be and provides when they seek to “take over” (catch) a human vehicle – which when we pass on that same Next Level info to others we begin to also be “fishers of men” as jesus said. But we are not fishing for our own consumption so to speak, our own benefit. We fish for our older Members which removes the conflict of interest or the ethical aspect of having followers of us that can so easily corrupt even a well intended soul.

Thus when a former student of a Next Level rep falls away and then even goes against belief in that Next Level rep as their teacher/master so to speak, then they become a big influence on any souls that are brand new because they do house some Next Level awareness and mind which also equates to sheer power/energy/force of mind/will power that can overpower a soul seed or unsuspecting human and their human minded “spirit”. Humans who do the bidding of such a renegage soul are not at fault for doing so until they have been given the choice not to, a great deal of which is happening now. But the Next Level provides those souls who they have just seeded or even souls who were in their classroom with special help so the lower forces can not have an unfair advanage over them. They keep a balance but alot has to do with the student asking for help when they feel overwhelmed by lower forces (anythng that turns our eyes away from seeking graft to the Next Level).

So yes, it will take the next physical incarnation of a Next level rep in the next civilization who will form a classroom like Moses had and/or like Jesus had or both or some such manner I can’t conceive of to bring “saved” souls back to interface with prepared genetic matchs for those souls, so they can take off from where they left off in their growth process, when they exited their physical body. When each of us dies, then two souls will have increased their aptitude for eventual graduation.

5. I can’t see any reason not to hold meetings talking about Ti and Do. A few years ago I tried to do so, but it kept falling apart. Then I wondered if the Next Level was protecting me for a while by not holding meetings in my local area. As say, someone believed in Ti and Do and they were youngish and their parents or siblings got wind of it. It would be a quick path to being blackballed and run out of town or somehow hindered from holding meetings and/or even living in a community. So I’ve thought about holding meetings about many topics and then slip in an evaluation on Ti and Do so it doesn’t look like I’m a follower. We don’t want to intentionally build the negative against us though to stay away from personally sharing the info with others for fear that it could lead to our demise is to me protecting one’s life in this world a bit much. The truth is, that even the loss of our physical life doesn’t harm the soul in any way and actually advances us to our Next “heaven” as the Next Level I beleive has areas in their invidiable space craft that has a number of chambers for souls of different station. By the way, they are not literally on ice. I beleive they actually are given tasks, sometimes as observers or depending on how well they have demonstrated followng instructions tasks as messengers or watchers like many of the Luciferians, as such tasks also provide a certain degree of testing of loyalty as humans if they see or feel such a messenger somehow then look up to such an entity and that can becoem a lure to create one’s own flock as Luciferians have now and continue to try to increase.

What did Ti and Do say about Jesus 40 days after laying down His physical human life

Ti and Do never gave us bible lessons except one time re: rev 12 while Ti was still incarnate, but He gave us the talk alone, without Ti by his immediate physical side (Do at Ti’s right side) telling us that He believed the woman in REV 12 was Ti, his Older Member(heavenly Father). Other than that it was little spurts here and there and moreso when we were preparing for the second public offerring of the information in the 1990’s peaking with the 1994 public meetings across the US. What I recall though, is that this was a huge chunk of Jesus task – to first locate prepared genetic vehicle matches for the souls being brought back from the Moses trimester (those who believed in Moses until their death, so had their souls saved for the next trimester), then to help those souls get their minds into the vehicles by challenging them with updates to the Moses trimester teachings, increasing the standards of the overall “giving of our ALL” to the Next Level, that they then had to prove by His sending them out in twos and threes to tell others the information he brought (the same as what is essential now to any new student of the Kingdom, as they have no place for idle believers who don’t want to work(real meaning of worship). And when He felt he had taken them as far as they could go, “laying down his life” to demonstrate what they too Must be willing to do, that shows the quality of the MInd they were drawing, from His branch/root was not limited by the vehicle’s programming of survival first (though in the second trimester (which also repeats/continues previous trimester lessons) they were not to stage their laying down their life as He did, but lose it while in service as Jesus knew without a doubt they would be hunted down and killed if they opened their mouths much at all, which may still happen to those who believe in Ti and Do now as a result of coming public again physically, as in public meetings, which I intend to start again). And lastly in order to give them the boost they needed to be willing and able (with continued support if/when they asked along the way) to face their own physical demise for HIM(His Kingdom and their place in it), His Father/helpers/”angels”,crew facilitated his vehicle’s healing sufficiently to stay around to demonstrate that he was still PHYSICAL and alive though changed to some degree. This is when He also told them a lot of things that were to come. About all that Ti and Do said was that he was demonstrating his continued physicality and life despite what they were allowed to do to his vehicle to kill it. Ti and Do also said that he was physically lifted up into what they said was a spacecraft hidden behind the clouds (magical to them then but today one could come up with ways that could technically be accomplished). Do did say that 90% of the miricles reported about Jesus were exaggerated though not in regards to his survival of physical death and his being taken up. This was the ONLY PROOF Jesus said he’d be giving, – “being 3 1/2 days in the belly of the whale – the Jonah story”. Thus Jesus didn’t count as signs the healings and such that he did and/or was reported to have done and/or were exaggerated. Ti and Do did say that some told stories about them that were not true. For instance one time they were visiting with someone early on in their public time, in the mid 70’s it was reported in the paper that they vanished in thin air when they said they simply left the room. I remember Ti really laughing hard at the idea that the “shroud of turin” was anything more siginficant than “jesus snot rag”. It’s all part of human nature under the influence of discarnates and/or space aliens seeking to commondeer whatever the Next Level does, to make everything magical and mystical and symbolic and anything less than literal and logical (though of course in the earlier trimesters, certain events were allowed to be viewed/experienced by early students, to help them over the hump of what would be normal human limited beliefs of what is possible). Ti and Do said that at graduation time very little “evidence” to the human vehicle we wear is given, to require us to act on the MIND we’ve pulled in which to some degree is embedded in our genetic subconscious record and fortified further by the returned Souls that even today are looking for vehicles that can match their awarenesses. We are all time share devices and what makes each of us unique is what we decide to time share with. The more we discard human level behavior and ways and seek to replace them with Next Level behavior and ways, the more we “become” what we timeshare. Jesus certainly outlined many Next Level behaviors and ways but Ti and Do in the 22 years of classroom brought them to a reality of the essential crewmindedness each member needs to embrace to be given a position/place on a crew.