Question/comments by apparant new believer in Ti and Do as follows with my response thereafter:
“I truly appreciate you replying. I guess it was a thirst for knowledge that kept me asking and tightening the screws so to speak. I decided to change those handles out of a respect for Ti and Do. The videos you have posted have certainly helped getting me in the right direction.
You got me on that one ever since I began accepting the teachings of ti and do I’ve been quite hard on myself. But when I think of what the next level holds in store it blows my mind and it makes me almost put a stranglehold on my self you know.
I do believe though that the NL has helped guide me to you and others to learn and to further my growth.
And yes whatever legitimate information you have of other sites, books, media and of course your own work please point me in the right direction.
I guess I have a couple of things I’d like to know
Like since Do has left how can there be people who have such a connection those who were left behind?
Now that a rep isn’t here does it mean that those who have received a “soul” have to wait until another comes before they can reach the NL?
One more quick one. I know the reason why there hasn’t been another class established but can someone set up a group like meeting?
And thanx again”
Sawyer’s answers in response:
1. More info:
Here are the list of current sources I can stand behind as being authentic. There are people creating sites and video’s and such that are not authentic, while there are some who are also producing vidoe’s where they are doing the best job they can do, but from new believers thus may or may not contain inaccuracies. If you come across anything I’d like to know about it so I can see if they are presenting inaccurate information. It’s just a matter of time before there is more and more disinformation circulated just as occurred after Jesus exited, starting subtly with Paul of Tarsus.
1) Number one direct source of info is still at:
You can copy and paste all the articles and statements there.
The two individuals who are continueing to maintain the Heavensgate.com site were given the task by Do before they exited. They were also left with the book for publishing which they have done but to date don’t seem to be providing it anywhere. I am in touch with them and know them well. If you write to the email address on that site you might be able to buy the softcover book that is all the info that is otherwise provided for free on the site though it’s bound and may have some additions.
There is a site but I don’t know how reliable they are as I don’t know who maintains it, but you used to be able to download the Heaven’s gate book that can only be cut and pasted on heavensgate.com in .zip format at:
2) Second equally good source for as long as it stays as it is today, is youtube channel:
which has the Beyond Human Video Series posted and many of the Exit Video’s They produced before exiting their physical vehicles.
The 1riverofangels channel is maintained by Rio who was the last student to voluntarily “drop out” so to speak, which was several weeks before they exited their physical bodies. For reference purposes and as a help to authenticate my experience with Ti and Do, if you watch the first couple hour long episodes of that Beyond Human series, you will see Do introduce Sawyer and June as two student helpers. I am the one called Sawyer. I was named Sawyer by Do in the late 1970’s.
3)On youtube find a video series plus three other vidoes at:
I, Sawyer created these vidoe’s. I don’t believe I strayed from the delivery of Ti and Do information but it’s never pure seeing video’s and/or hearing their voices and/or reading their words. However, Ti and Do’s primary focus were their few students and they never taught out of the Bible. They referenced the Bible in general ways and occasionally in specific when putting together certain articles. Some of their favorite quotes are included in their book. I say this because my 12 part video series I designed primarily for Christians though for new agers too as I re-translate many biblical prophesizes. These re-translations are not random or made up. I used Strongs Concordance for Greek and Hebrew words used in the OT and NT, where there were often a number of translation choices and because of frankly surfaced places that the translators just got wrong. However, the core of what jesus taught wasn’t misquoted. That goes on now in many or perhaps all Christian based classrooms, as they translate things that plainly seem literal into figures. What they are influenced to miss is that even the figures and metaphores also have a literal application as do the stories.
4) I (Sawyer) maintain a blog at:
5) Sawyer’s facebook account is:
6) I(Sawyer) have published some articles on:
7) There is also a stash of actual digitized audio tapes from the actual inside the classroom meetings. Most times Ti and Do met with the group of students it was taped. There are well over 400 hours of these tapes going back to 1980 where you can get a feel for Ti as she was with us til 1985 and Do during that time and thereafter. The quality is not good but it’s able to be heard. That site is currently provided by Carlan who was in the classroom for a short time in 1994 but who is a full believer advocate of all of Ti and Do’s teachings. When Carlan first put these tapes online they were for free download but since then (some years ago) 4shared has begun to charge to download. None of what they charge goes to Carlan. The address is:
8) I (Sawyer) maintain a site at:
where I have a year’s worth of podcasts free for listening and downloading plus many blog entries. I don’t think there is that much here that is of much significance. I’ve often written little articles on all the more important materials.
9) I would also suggest purchasing Rio’s book entitled: Beyond Human Mind though I don’t know where you can find it.
After that if you have questions I will try to help you by writing me an email at: firstname.lastname@example.org
2) I agree – the Next Level guides those they feel are seekers to those that have sought to be in Their service. You can count on their help with anything you ask though the help they give you can be anywhere from doing nothing to showing you signs or indicators in life circumstances to direct dreams. Your best address to use is Ti and Do. That’s a fastrack communications handle as Jesus and “Father in Heaven” was 2000 yrs ago. Over generations humans who die with degrees of belief in Ti and Do will often attempt to answer living humans “prayers” directed to Them so the handle eventually becomes diluted and not dependable. However, Ti and Do and their helpers never tell you what to do in any shape or form. They only give you indicators and often several and you will learn what are most likley of their origin. Don’t ever get into a place that is sure of such communications yet be willing to take baby steps in a particular direction you feel they are indicating for you to try, and see how it feels and always check your sense with them at every step. A general rule: If in doubt don’t. However, this can become a negative as another rule is also part of the picture of how a Next Level member operates in an Earth environment with only remote communications with their Older Member(Do) which is: “take a chance on a positive”.
3) Those vehicles, who were implanted with “soul” containers and who were “active students” in Ti and Do’s physical classroom literally received some of Their MIND(holy spirit/data/information/programs) by their experience. That MIND became theirs but just having it doesn’t mean it will be used for things supportive of Ti and Do (and the Next Level’s agenda on Earth). It depends if they use that mind, which keeps it active and that is accomplished by seeking a regular relationship with Ti and Do though they are invisible and asking for Next Steps in that service and help along the way to do it as they would have it done. Along with this is of course seeking to improve our behavior according to the ways of the Next Level. One can see some lists of those ways in the book The classroom had published before they left which is posted on heavensgate.com called The 17 steps, the first document given us and then afterwards the lists of Major and Minor offenses. Now some of these may not apply directly at this time due to our Older members not being physcialy incarnate. But they all at the very least will by enacting as best we can strengthen the “muscle”(what Ti called what we were building) to maintain control over our vehicle). It’s up to us and what we do or don’t do is individually viewed by Ti and Do and helpers. When we slip in trying to live by those high standards, we don’t let it become a guilt trip. We simply try to do a better job next time. It’s the effort that is invaluble to our future and it’s not our business displaying what we do or don’t do to others. In the classroom we had “slippage meetings” where we outwardly expressed those areas we feel we could have done a better job. In doing so we also stated the offense and with it a remedy to not do it again. If we do it again then we keep trying. That’s the main thing, to not give up.
However, with that said, our primary task at this time is to share the info Ti and Do brought which includes what they did. All these things will draw more of their MIND into our Soul container. When we die, Next Level members will greet us and lead us to their spacecraft where other believers are to be sort of “on ice” what Christians called “saved”, which simply meant not recycled but kept to provide a new opportunity to grow that soul into an individual who could even graduate the human condition at which time they’d be assigned a crew working for the Next Level directly that could lead to full membership in the Next Level which includes receipt of a Next Level grown vehicle that does not function as a human so can no longer fall back into a human condition.
Anyway, pertaining to your question, just because some dropped out or were asked to leave didn’t mean they didn’t do the best they could under the circumstances. We don’t ultimately fail unless we give up and refuse to change and seek the help and guidence and service of the Next Level, through our Older Members, Ti and Do.
Meanwhile the Next Level who Ti and Do always said were masters in taking any negative and using it for a positive, don’t give up on us. We give up on them. Thus even if we fall in any way shape or form, if we turn around and seek a relationship with Them again, they provide it. If we die and we had fallen and never sought to restart that relationship, then we have mostly sealed our fate depending on how strongly or thorougly we let our Next Level mind fall by the wayside. If you don’t use it you eventually lose even what you had.
Some of us who dropped out have sought to re-connect and have. It can never be taken for granted though. To those that much is given much is required. The Next Level is populated by individuals who love service and activity and thrive on challenges. After having left and then gradually returned to service, when I asked Do if I needed to prepare to “lay down my vehicle” as They did, somethng I was willing to do while I was with them, as this was not a casual decision by any means, He came to me clear as day and said, “give your life”. It’s the Next Level way to provide options not ultimatums, though there are certainly decision points of no return.
So those who were left behind were left behind because they for one reason or another wern’t ready. For me, it was that I wasn’t ready for the right reasons. I was still to occupied with ME, ME, MY, MY self importance or heroism, as a martry, holy person, etc. and I wasn’t learning that while in the classroom so Ti while outside her vehicle set up a circumstance that tested me big time in a way I was not prepared to deal with and I fell and had zero energy to pick myself up and didn’t even ask Them to help me so I eventually knew I had to leave and did. I explained this to some degree in part 12 of my vidoe series.
4) You ask:”Now that a rep isn’t here does it mean that those who have received a “soul” have to wait until another comes before they can reach the NL? I believe the answer is both, Yes and No to this, keyed on what reaching the Next Level is. When we receive a soul implant/chip/program set, which I don’t think is possible to believe in Ti and Do without, we are in the book so to speak and as long as we seek to grow, even when we die that soul body will be “saved” kept on ice and/or given certain tasks under the Next Level’s umbrella so in this way we are in the Next Level because the Next Level Mind is within us. However we can not advance towards our “spirit/soul birth” into membership in the Next Level, called a harvest or graduation unless we meet all the qualifications which include big time conquering, having victory over, ovecoming our humaness that requires taking over a human vehicle. That starts now by taking over our current vehicle. In fact, there is probably a Soul, a student still in soul form who was looking for a vehicle they could “take over” and had their eye on you. This individual would have probably been preparing you, your brain to receive their Next Level mind for a long time. They received their first installation of Next Level mind while they were that seeded implant in a human vehicle. The example in history was Adam receiving the breath of life from his Lord that made him a soul.
However, having another Soul seeking to take us over can only be done by our genuine acceptance. We are the decider of all this. And by receiveing any source of Next Level information/mind we are filling our own soul. In a real sense when a soul is brought back to have a new chance to build itself to a viable birth, they are using a human vehicle as an incubator. Ti and Do never used that word. It’s just an image I feel illustrates the process.
Ti and Do did not ever want to be individuals. They said they wanted to only be LINKS of their Older Members mind. Every member of the Next Level is thus a LINK of that HOLY MIND. Humans who think they are independant have little to no idea just how much they are NOT individuals. They are actually all hosts for discarnate humans from Earth or another once planetary garden. Thus we are all conduits for MIND. The choice is simply whether to house Human or Next Level MIND and the only place we can get Next Level mind is from a Next Level Older member though it can come through all the souls that choose to be linked to them, what a returning student soul is striving to be and provides when they seek to “take over” (catch) a human vehicle – which when we pass on that same Next Level info to others we begin to also be “fishers of men” as jesus said. But we are not fishing for our own consumption so to speak, our own benefit. We fish for our older Members which removes the conflict of interest or the ethical aspect of having followers of us that can so easily corrupt even a well intended soul.
Thus when a former student of a Next Level rep falls away and then even goes against belief in that Next Level rep as their teacher/master so to speak, then they become a big influence on any souls that are brand new because they do house some Next Level awareness and mind which also equates to sheer power/energy/force of mind/will power that can overpower a soul seed or unsuspecting human and their human minded “spirit”. Humans who do the bidding of such a renegage soul are not at fault for doing so until they have been given the choice not to, a great deal of which is happening now. But the Next Level provides those souls who they have just seeded or even souls who were in their classroom with special help so the lower forces can not have an unfair advanage over them. They keep a balance but alot has to do with the student asking for help when they feel overwhelmed by lower forces (anythng that turns our eyes away from seeking graft to the Next Level).
So yes, it will take the next physical incarnation of a Next level rep in the next civilization who will form a classroom like Moses had and/or like Jesus had or both or some such manner I can’t conceive of to bring “saved” souls back to interface with prepared genetic matchs for those souls, so they can take off from where they left off in their growth process, when they exited their physical body. When each of us dies, then two souls will have increased their aptitude for eventual graduation.
5. I can’t see any reason not to hold meetings talking about Ti and Do. A few years ago I tried to do so, but it kept falling apart. Then I wondered if the Next Level was protecting me for a while by not holding meetings in my local area. As say, someone believed in Ti and Do and they were youngish and their parents or siblings got wind of it. It would be a quick path to being blackballed and run out of town or somehow hindered from holding meetings and/or even living in a community. So I’ve thought about holding meetings about many topics and then slip in an evaluation on Ti and Do so it doesn’t look like I’m a follower. We don’t want to intentionally build the negative against us though to stay away from personally sharing the info with others for fear that it could lead to our demise is to me protecting one’s life in this world a bit much. The truth is, that even the loss of our physical life doesn’t harm the soul in any way and actually advances us to our Next “heaven” as the Next Level I beleive has areas in their invidiable space craft that has a number of chambers for souls of different station. By the way, they are not literally on ice. I beleive they actually are given tasks, sometimes as observers or depending on how well they have demonstrated followng instructions tasks as messengers or watchers like many of the Luciferians, as such tasks also provide a certain degree of testing of loyalty as humans if they see or feel such a messenger somehow then look up to such an entity and that can becoem a lure to create one’s own flock as Luciferians have now and continue to try to increase.