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TI and DO transcript #53 – Lessons on Following Instructions as a Member of the Next Level Would

May 12, 2019
Tape Log: 053 – 03/31/83 – OOC task-two extremes. Be alert & observant. Must learn the art of getting along with everyone. Misapplication of instruction-flowers. Interaction with Links =lessons-just say, “I did it wrong”. 45 min.

(Transcribed by Nisha and edited by Sawyer (Swy) Classroom full name: Swyody)

(Swy note: This appears to have been recorded at the Houston “retreat”. TI and DO lived in Houston briefly, their vehicles home before they awakened upon meeting there. When they moved there DO grew a beard so he wouldn’t be so noticeable by former friends and family of his vehicle. They leased a type of townhouse for students to come there to visit while the rest of the class was in Austin.)

Tape starts:

DO: Often when Links is talking to someone about instructions we might start off saying one thing like go to such and such a place to get carrots and then the more we talk in the conversation because of information we later find out we would change that to: don’t go to such and such a place and get carrots, go someplace else. Repeatedly, we find that the students are hearing portions of what we say and not hearing other portions. In other words, at the point of our making a change, they remember what we said first before we made the change more that they remember the change, which means — sounds like they’re thinking about something we said while we’re saying something else instead of listening to everything we say as we say it.

Don’t let your computers work on something we’ve just said while we’re still trying to say something else. You could be helpful by — like when TI brought up the cornbread thing of not letting the batter sit too long that just overrode everything and translated to: We’ll make up all the cornbread and let everybody be served cold cornbread which wasn’t the intent at all, it was a misapplication of instructions which is part of what we’re going to talk about. We’ve got to lick, dismiss misapplication of instructions.

TI: Let me give another example because I think ones back at the craft – The last crew that was up here and we noticed that Alxody was coming up with this group we said that Alxody was a satellite 3 person coming up and we said Alxody could not come up as a satellite 3 person but that didn’t mean they would bump Alxody and put somebody else in so that we would have a satellite 3 person. It meant that it was such perfectly okay for Alxody to come up but he could not be as a Satellite 3 person the way they mentioned it to us. Do yawl remember that?

And by the time they got back to the class they interpreted it that Alxody couldn’t come on this retreat group because he couldn’t be a Satellite 3 person, which there are times when there are no Satellite 3 people coming anymore in the retreat group – is that right – so why would you bump Alxody because of what we’re saying – to think the reason for that wasn’t because there was anything wrong with Alxody. It’s because he’s not able to function as a  Satellite 3 person without a check partner and he doesn’t have a check partner.

DO: Well we said we always try to make it if we can so a Satellite 3 person can be in a retreat crew going to retreat. And we said yes that’s fine but you don’t do it at the expense of having to get them out of the order of which they should be going. You follow what we’re saying? But we couldn’t count the number of times that our instructions have been twisted and you want to be aware of how your vehicles twist instructions and you want to exert special effort to find out if you’re twisting instructions.

Let’s take the — I feel like Swyody has innocently twisted instructions or I’m not understanding everything. Like this morning, I asked him how his new task was going and he said: Well not exactly like the other two times I was over there, because the dishwasher didn’t show up and the chef was having to pitch in and wash dishes and they had to bring in somebody from someplace else and I said: Well, did you offer to help with the dishwashing? and he said ‘No I didn’t’. And I suspect, though I may be wrong that he was maybe thinking he shouldn’t from what we said about washing dishes. Is that correct, Swyody?

Swyody: (affirms)

DO: Well see that’s not right. Links have never indicated that you all — when we said we didn’t want you going out and taking jobs washing dishes – we didn’t want people taking advantage of you. But did that mean that when a crew is shorthanded and everybody is having to pitch in that we would have one of our students be the one not to pitch in and do things like scrub pots and pans or even scrub the floor or any other thing that had to happen as an exception.

And we said as it turns out – well he told me from the beginning that they had to do this and then my brain just short circuited because I thought then why did you apply for the job? Because if you know we don’t want you doing pots and pans regularly – when people wouldn’t show up. In other words, you can’t go and say: ‘I’d like this job very much and I’m a dessert person and ah well I’m just making this up’ but you can’t go and say ‘I’ll do this and this and this but I don’t wash windows, I don’t do pots and pans I’m not going to let you step on me – I’m not going to let you take advantage of me.’ It means your not understanding what Links was talking about in the beginning – because what Links is talking about in the beginning is that you go out and be the best employee that you can be. We don’t want you to apply for menial labor tasks but that didn’t mean that when in an emergency situation that you wouldn’t pitch in and be apart of a crew that needed to do anything that needed to happen. Now if it turned out that emergency situations were more ordinary than extraordinary and if you were washing pots and pans more than you were doing anything else then you would say look that’s not what you took the job for, let’s see if you can get another one. But we, this is another example of we have seen you go to one extreme to the other, we have seen people who’d have let people step all over them instead of sticking to your guns like if you took a car to be repaired and the service man just said oh well I don’t think that right we need so and so. Stick to your guns and tell them what Links told you it needs – this is what we told you needs to be done.

The extreme of that is a time or two people have done it in such a way that it irritated the service manager and made it sound like they were mad or they were being arrogant or they were being so impossible and at that point don’t you know that humans back down? And they’re not going to service you. They’re not going to be helpful to you if you go in and set them off with: Well listen to me!, this is the way I want it done and that’s it. You’ve got to stick to your guns diplomatically. You’ve got to do it in away that they appreciate the fact that you’re sticking to your guns. You don’t start bumping noses with them or bucking with them unless it’s a situation where you have no choice. You’ve tried your diplomatic effort, you’ve tried to cooperate with them, you’ve tried to do everything in a way that you could stick to your guns and still have a smooth outcome and it didn’t work. If it didn’t work then your kind of at your wits end – you would either have to buck with them or throw up your hands and call for help. But you’ve got to – tell us what the score is Swyody so we can understand it better like what did you mean when you said ‘He told me from the offset that this happens’ frequently?

Swyody: Well he said he had a hard time getting help…

DO: Well then why didn’t you tell us that? Why didn’t you let us know that when you started applying for the job that here’s a position where the chef has told us that frequently people won’t show up and he ends up washing the pots. I wouldn’t be able to work with a chef who was washing the pots and pans when I was making desserts.

TI: What would you do when he was washing pots and pans?

Swyody: I was making a soup he asked me to make.

DO: Okay, well that’s okay if he says like if I offer to wash the pots and pans and he says no I want you to make the soup I’ll fill in here. Great. But I would feel obligated to offer to the chef to wash their pots and pans and I would want to and that’s why I asked you did you offer to wash them. Did you offer to wash them?

Swyody: No.

DO: See this is where it goes wrong because to me if you’re under the chef and he’s having to do something like that you’d want to give the feeling of one who is cooperative and wants to be helpful. We feel like Swyody had bad luck a time or two with tasks and it may be because he’s misapplying instructions we’ve given him because he’s standing up for his guns so they think ‘Good night. Who do you think you are? You ought to be having office in Washington instead of here in a kitchen.’, You see what I’m saying? Because that would be a a misapplication of instructions when we say don’t let people walk over you that doesn’t mean you walk in with your nose in the air and lay down the guidelines of what you’ll do in this task. What you do is go and find out what the task requires and if it isn’t according to guidelines you go elsewhere looking for a job.

TI: What you have to do when you have an out of craft task, it’s really about the feeler and all of you have to develop the feeler. You have to learn to feel what it’s like – a good employee doesn’t ever tell an employer I won’t do something. We’re not asking any of you to tell an employer that I don’t do something or imply that I won’t do it – so of course that’s within the job task. I’m not talking about your going to rob a bank or something because I’m certain that’s within the job task. I’m not talking about their wanting you to go rob the bank or something. Because you could throw that back us later and say well they asked us to go do this or to go rob that bank or to go do everything they asked us to do. Believe it or not you all are capable of going to that extreme.

DO: And if you question the rightness of it get a note off to Sat 3 and let them get it off to Links so that we can see what happening and like Dstody said he didn’t feel right about his boss asking him to take drinks into the locker room to men who – are in the sauna when men order drinks when men said I’ll give you 10 dollars or whatever it was to go get me a beer and bring it into the sauna and he didn’t feel right about that. TI and I didn’t see anything wrong in his task why shouldn’t he do it? But the point is he refused and it almost he refused a number of things that almost got his job in hot water – because they were thinking that he had a little too many areas that he wanted his job to only be these things and not do those things so what you do is, like TI said, try to be sensitive with your feeler, try to discover what the task is before you take it and try to feel – does it feel right? Is the things I’m going to be doing do I think they’re in the guidelines of what Links intends for us to be willing to do and if the answer to that is yes then take the task – then if it turns out later that it’s expanded into areas you begin to question bring it up and let us help you with it before you cut your nose off before you make a situation where they begin to dislike you and they can dislike you on the grounds that you think you’re doing what you think Links would have you do.

We wouldn’t have you in a task where they dislike you unless they’re impossible or if they dislike you because you won’t join in as they snort cocaine or whatever it is that they’re doing – if there are things like that you know we would have you immediately try get something else. But we think you’re more capable of knowing what our intentions are then just grabbing on to little pieces of things that we say and then letting them over a short period of time distort and create an impossible circumstance for yourself.

TI: The Mind just has to push through to understand better – it’s like the brain is blocking you from what we’re saying and you have to exert the effort to understand what we’re saying. You may think you know because you think TI and Do have said this over and over again and I know exactly what they’re going to say and it turns out that you don’t know what we’re staying.

DO: That’s right, your vehicle is making it sound like you’re hearing a repeat.

TI: It’s getting to where I’m almost afraid to say something thinking it will be translated into something else. And I think how can I say something where they can understand what I’m saying? And even right now I wonder, of course we have it on tape but I still wonder if it’s going to translate into your brain – well you have got to push through and understand what we’re saying. The reason we’re putting this on tape is because if there are others like at the craft who have out of craft tasks and they are having the same kinds of misunderstanding that Swyody has had then we hope that this will help correct.

When you are on an out of craft task or in the craft you should be mentally alert, someone said that I’ve watched one individual in this class do things that looks like it’s just mechanical like there’s no mind really operating in that vehicle at that time and it disturbed me because I feel like that individual can be caught up in a trap that it would just slip into a nothingness, a despondency.

DO: a passiveness.

TI: a passiveness so much so that it can cause you trouble and you have never seen us walk around with a mechanical air about us. We are your examples you have to be mentally alert you’ve got to be observant you’ve got to listen carefully. When you all talk to us, we listen to you as carefully as we can unless we have a distraction and then if we have a distraction because of something one of the others TI and Do might be saying to  – to openly take what we’re listening to you and go through one of us then we’ll go back and say sorry we missed what you were saying and can you tell us again. We’re teaching you all how to listen to Older Members. You all can’t do that – only Older Members can do it, like your teachers. Actually it isn’t right for us to do it – but when there are two Older Members working together in a class circumstance sometimes it does happen but it doesn’t mean that you all can do that to Older Members – it’s like if we’re taking to you on the caller and somebody says something to you, you come back and say I’m sorry, so and so was telling me something and I didn’t hear what you were saying.

DO: (laughs) that happens a lot.

TI: Now that has happened to us many, many times and that should not happen any more than if we were standing here talking to you and all the activity around the room you started watching what Dncody and Lvvody were doing while they’re talking to Cddody. Before you know it I could ask you what was Dncody and Lvvody doing and you could tell us every little action that they were doing and then we’ll say what was I telling you and you wouldn’t even know what we were talking about. Can you understand that?

DO: You’re not capable of doing both you’re not capable of listening carefully and doing other things, you may think you are.

TI: That means you’re more interested in Dncody and Lvvody then what we’re saying so then why should we exert the effort to tell you anything? So you’ve got to understand this because it’s extremely important that you get your minds into your vehicles. When you walk, you walk as a member of the Next Level, when you talk you talk as a Member of the Next Level. You do not just walk mechanically, pick up things and look at them and put them down and try on a jacket – without any expression on your face without anything like you look like a puppet! A robot or something.

When you’re in an out of craft tasks you are alert and you know what you’re tasks are and you participate in everything as though you enjoy it. When you leave the class, you come back, end of – leave your task leave that job at your place where you work you come back here and you work in the craft as though you like it and you are alert, you know what is going on you are interested in what’s going on you’ve got to push through it and the vehicle will not do it automatically, it was not trained to do that. Your mind has to do it. And as soon as you learn that’s the better you will learn and we will be able to communicate with you. If you don’t do it we’re not going to be able to communicate with you. We have reached this place before and we felt like we just can’t communicate with you and then you all exert the effort and we’re able to do it, then we get to another spot where we can communicate which means it’s just practice that grows – there’s nothing wrong with any of you it’s that you have to put it into action, which will not happen on its own.

DO: Let me use this example with Cddody again because it’s there were little ramifications that could have come into his mind at one point that since they weren’t resolved I don’t think his brain computed. Let’s go back over the conversation Cddody was talking to me last night about, we’re going to take the car into the shop and at first we had said that they would they get it there somewhere between 7:30 and 9:00 and then little later in the conversation I said no why don’t you just get up and get to the top of the bath slot and consume and get off as quickly as you can and at that point TI heard me say that and TI then said (and of course Cddody couldn’t hear) but TI had said no let’s get him there at 7:30 then I had said no let’s get there at 7:30 which Cddody repeated to me ‘get there at 7:30’ but I didn’t say that means you might have to alter your up time and so forth and so on so it didn’t compute so what computed was to get there as close to 7:30 as they could – getting up on time and consuming as soon as they could and they got off at 7:50, I mean got down there at 7:50 which in his mind, was correct instruction.

The point I’m making is only one time did I say no let’s get there at 7:30 and what it didn’t make a strong enough impression in the computer. To think about oh well that means what we said a few minutes ago about getting at the top of the bath slot and consuming that means that won’t work so would you have us get up earlier if necessary to get there at 7:30 because if he had computed that and asked that question the answer would have been well yes of course if you can’t – in other words we don’t feel like we have to know what you can do what you have to do in order to get there at 7:30 you see what I’m saying. I feel like if you can’t get up at 6.30, consume and get off in order to be there at 7:30 then you have to alter in order to get there at 7:30 and if you feel like Links hasn’t Ok’d your getting up early then you’ve got to come back and say I don’t think we can get up on time and get there at 7:30 so that we can have a chance to say well then get up early if necessary. Well, when it got to be after 7 and you all hadn’t left I couldn’t imagine what had happened but this is just a little example how one sentence said no let’s get there at 7:30 and that there were dozens of other sentences that hadn’t been that explicit. You see what we’re saying? So the brain didn’t ‘Uh-oh’ grab hold of that one and say everything we previously talked about has now been altered and this means that we’re going to get there at 7:30 and this happens a lot – not just with Cddody it happens with others almost without exception. Frequently it’s the key thing we say in the whole conversation that gets lost.

TI: Well, it’s like the cornbread incident when the key thing was to plan your strategy so you would have hot cornbread for both crews and none of you had it.

DO: I want to know from Swyody, see I’m afraid that you got the picture that you were to present yourself in a way that you wouldn’t do tasks of that nature or I don’t understand why you wouldn’t have said to your chef last night; Goodness, can I help you out of this bind?’ and then give him the option to say; Nope, this is what I have to live with because people don’t like to be out here and you go ahead and do your soup. But to me, if I had hired someone in a lesser position than my own position and they didn’t offer to do a more menial task than their task when I was having to do it I would wonder what kind of spirit they were, what kind of cooperative nature they had. You see what I’m saying? Did that not cross your mind?

Swyody: (unintelligible)

DO: Well it would’ve been my first thought that he would think poorly of me if I didn’t offer to do that his having to do it. Particularly when I’m new and I’m wanting to make a good impression. You see what I’m saying?

Swyody: Well, I know he gave me the task of making the soup.

DO: well sure.

Swyody: so I guess…

DO: Well see I don’t know the whole picture but in trying to piece together the parts I got from you and it might be that the way he was giving you instructions might have made it very clear to you that he wanted to do that and want you to go ahead doing what you’re doing – if he did then I could understand it. I don’t know the whole picture, but I do know that you should give an impression with your employer and that nothing is beneath you even though you didn’t take the job to do dishes and you don’t want to do something like that on a regular basis hopefully because I would rather find another job if I ended up doing that all the time. It’s like with Anyody we didn’t know she was doing pots and pans on a regular basis we thought that she asked to do it on rare exceptions, next thing we knew it was on a regular basis and her regular task was pot’s and pans and we immediately said Anyody that’s taboo.

TI: That’s when you step in and said let us know about it. But once in a while it doesn’t hurt.

DO: It’s the awkwardness you all have to get passed. Swyody had an awkwardness over his address and it’s like he got caught in a couple of stories about giving wrong street numbers that didn’t exist and you’ve got to be sharper than that and more comfortable with your strategy. You’ve got to plan it that you can’t be in a circumstance like that. If I’m going to use a street number I’ve got to know that street — I’m certainly not going to give it 10,300 if I don’t know if that streets even 6 blocks long. I’m automatically going down in the first few hundreds if I’m not familiar with that street I would automatically have to think that way and you all are capable of thinking that way you’re just not exerting the effort and then you get caught twice! Twice he got caught by the same person in personnel about information that had no truth to it and part of thinking was he as nervous about the new task he was a little insecure about the two bad experiences he has recently had and deflating his ego to an extent but you have got to not let people deflate your confidence.

The only reason your confidence has any reason to be deflated is if you’re trying to do a task the way Links would have you do it and the more you try it you don’t seem to be accomplishing anything then I would have my confidence would be threatened a little bit then I would have to work harder to get it restored. But something that a human could do to me like Tim did to you that couldn’t threaten my confidence at all or make me deflated but if I had an experience like Swyody did with Tim I would wonder now wait a minute they could be –  I don’t know why but no matter what kind of impossible person Tim seemed to be, something must be wrong with me that I wasn’t capable of getting along with him – why I couldn’t go in, do a good task and be liked. I might say things that sound a little wrong, I may present myself in a way that doesn’t seem likeable something about me has caused others to dislike me but how can I change that? And all of you need to examine that kind of thing when you’re in a task in craft or out of craft when you find yourself in a predicament where others find it difficult to cooperate with you and examine yourself and wonder what it is that makes it that way.

TI: It’s very difficult to work with — when you’re a Member of the Next Level to work with humans when there’s conflict so it’s always better to try to get rid of conflict by examining yourself and also observing that individual to see how you can get along with that person well if it’s impossible to get along with that individual then you’ll find out eventually but you can be – it’s just like working with each other none of you should be so impossible that I don’t like the work with so and so. I don’t like to work with him or her because of such and such that’s all garbage, that’s all human garbage and you all should know everybody’s likes and dislikes and you shouldn’t pay any bit attention so that could affect you because there is not a single person here that could do any harm to you.

DO: There are some in your class who — there are a number of people who have a difficulty getting along with them. Okay, follow my little formula here there’s some individuals in your class because of some characteristics they still have not conquered a number of people find it difficult to get along with them. But there are others in your class that can get along with those individuals and have mastered how not to let those characteristics of which they’re trying to conquer to disturb them in the least. And they can get maximum performance in cooperation with those individuals that others find it impossible to get along with so where’s the trouble? With the person who’s impossible or the person who can’t get along with them?

The person that’s difficult he’s got a lot to work on but the person who can’t get along with them has to work on just as much because he hasn’t learned to get along with. He hasn’t mastered anything he’s only good with people who are easy to get along with you see what we’re saying? So he has to learn to get along with people who require effort to get along with and there’s no difference when some of your classmates are working on certain kinks in their personality that are difficult then areas that you are working on that are less obvious and none of you are free of serious areas that need work. Therefore there’s no justification for not learning the art of getting along with anyone. Okay, are we through? Tllody?

Tllody: I hope this is appropriate… (unintelligible)

TI: They don’t serve us, we serve our own.

Tllody: continues…

DO: They clean our plates sometimes but you know why they clean our plates and don’t find sauce and spaghetti on our plates? Because we scrape our own plates.

TI: The sauce is okay, the meat we’re not encouraging you to eat.

DO: Either one is an extreme. If I try to eat my spaghetti so that all the sauce and meat is left off I’m going to an extreme but if I eat my spaghetti and clean up the sauce and meat that on my plate I’m going to another extreme we say that the sauce and meat that goes with your spaghetti can’t hurt you but you shouldn’t have so much sauce on there that’s there’s a lot of concentrated sauce and meat that you would follow that experiment up with.

TI: But we don’t eat much of the meat, we eat very little of the meat.

DO: That’s right now the meat we consider more flavoring for the spaghetti and we consume only what little meat might stick to the spaghetti if as we consume it as we roll it up into little baseballs that doesn’t mean we try on every little baseball to be sure that every little bit of the meat is off of it, that’s an extreme. But we don’t heat that the concentrated sauce and meat is good for you enough that you should clean up what’s left on your plate and that it you should try not have no much sauce with it that there’s puddle of it left after you ate your spaghetti.

TI: That’s right, you shouldn’t have that much sauce that you would have to clean up your plate with a spoon and this is not what we are encouraging you to do.

Tllody (explaining how his vehicle likes the meat):

TI: If your vehicle likes it, it’s going to find a way if you all could learn your vehicle and you can bank on it doing exactly what it likes to do when it comes to food in other words that sounds when somebody asks a question about consuming the thought comes in my mind entirely different is recorded in my brain as I receive it because it’s saying I like this exactly what I want to hear I know it, it’s just like if you all could realize that it’s…

DO: My brain, I mean my mind reacts just the opposite and dislikes what my vehicle has just indicated to me what it likes so much. So much that I tend to then go the other way and be more turned off then would be normal if had I hadn’t seen a prejudice from my vehicle in favor of it.

TI: In favor of it.

DO: you see what I’m saying?

Tllody: In a sense that’s the key right there, that your vehicle has…

TI: Just like ice cream, if your vehicle looks forward to the ice cream then your mind order step in immediately and say ‘ice cream isn’t that good’

DO: It isn’t.

TI: Sure

DO: Cause your mind doesn’t care if it gets ice cream it doesn’t have a means of enjoying it.

TI: It doesn’t say ‘oh boy that tastes good’, that’s your vehicle talking. And your mind should immediately realize the symptoms that your vehicle is looking forward to the cake and you don’t have to eat a piece of cake and if I was having that kind of trouble I wouldn’t touch a piece of cake.

DO: Your mind doesn’t feed the vehicle like the human feeds the horse sugar to keep the horse happy – I’m going to give it something that isn’t good for it just to keep it happy. The mind considers that it has the ability to control the vehicle and keep it operating and functioning well without giving into it. Without doing all the little things to satisfy it that doesn’t mean that it goes to the other extreme and is difficult with the vehicle it tries to do it without giving into it and without trying too be to harsh on it. Don’t go out of balance to be too harsh on the vehicle and to give into it, way out the balance. The proper way when you have the vehicle in control is to get the performance from the vehicle that you want without any back talk one way or the other – we just want to get the performance out of it therefore you know it requires X amount of nutrition and consuming but it doesn’t require X amount of sugar or X amount of this – any of the things that the vehicle has a particular yen for so it doesn’t give in to those but neither does it go to the other extreme. It’s like when we told you the big test is can I gave a little something once in a while without making it a big ‘to-do’ can I learn to ignore it. Like if I really like ice cream I’ll skip some of my ice cream opportunities and when I have my ice cream I’ll learn not even look forward to it. It’s just some other ingredient that I’m having.

TI: Just like getting gas at the service station. Cars don’t look forward getting unleaded or just plain old regular – they just get it because they’re running out of gas and this is how you should look at food, food is just gas that you’re putting into your vehicles.

DO: Talking about gas for a moment, I think that still one of the biggest problems we have with vehicles that have gas problems is not chewing enough – the more you chew and pulverize that food the less it creates fermentation in your digestive system and the more the natural enzymes break it down and prevent gas, so one of the main things you can do and I have to keep my own vehicle disciplined in the area of chewing particularly when I only have one little tiny spot to chew on, I get awful tired of shoveling everything to that one little spot and chomping for so long.

TI: have to use the front teeth.

This doesn’t apply to just likes and dislikes in regards to food it’s likes and dislikes to anything like let’s use the TV for instance one individual while he was here on at retreat wanted to change the time of consuming so that he could watch the news. That’s pretty bad, I think it happened in Blackhawk it hasn’t happened recently but when you have thoughts like that that means you’re hooked on television because we have not given you an assignment to watch the news. Now if we say we don’t want you to miss a single news item on television no matter what, don’t give us any excuses and everything watched on television in regards to news then you would have to alter your schedule to watch the news but the news is optional and we know things are happening out there and they’re going to happen whether we watch TV or not. And when the time comes and it’s time for the news and you’re free of what you’re supposed to be doing then it’s okay to watch it but the world doesn’t stop just so you can see the news you don’t plan your schedule so that you can see the news – if you’re through with everything in the task, in the craft and the news is on and you feel like you feel like you can sit down and do it then it’s okay to do it but otherwise it isn’t imperative to see it.

TI and DO Audio Transcript 005 – Program for Perfect Health by Meditation to Eliminate Stress

April 13, 2019
Tape Log entry: 005 07/20/82 Guilt-Conflict-Stress =vehicle breakdown. Program for health-eliminate stress. 15min.
(Rkkody wrote in the Tape Log that The Classroom designed the Tape Log)
(005A-0-1.RM – Originally transcribed by New Believer in TI and DO – Nisha).
(Rkkody digitized the original audio tape into .RM files (some have the .OGG formatted files that New Believer in Ti and Do, Peter improved the sound of, from the .RM files).
(Edited on 4-13-2019 by Sawyer (Swy) – Classroom name: Swyody – for expediency I didn’t always re-listen to the tapes, so just corrected the obvious parts that didn’t change anything, except where noted by additional (? and/or comments) that sometimes would warrant re-listening to them.)
(Sawyer did re-listen to this tape and made some minor corrections)
DO (talking in a very slow soft voice): Greetings to you from Ti and Do. We respect each of you, for you are members of the Next Level. We have some information that we want to try make clear. I think probably for the first time in this incarnation We are fairly thoroughly understanding of the vehicles “breakdown” and “healing” process, and what causes disease and problems with the vehicle and also how these problems can be overcome.
I’m going to start off by saying, the major cause of vehicular breakdown is stress and stress from conflict. Lets say that as a child you decided to– or lets say that one example of conflict could be guilt carried over from childhood.
For example, lung cancer or difficulties with the lungs, which we blame tobacco for is rightfully blamed on a deep-seeded guilt lets say an individual might have for acting out and smoking a cigarette behind a barn or somewhere when he knew that his parents were opposed to it, but the guilt stayed there and set up the circumstance so that the tobacco could really do its number on causing destructive cells to begin to work and accumulate. Now, let’s say tobacco has been stopped some years later doesn’t necessarily mean that deep seeded guilt had not been surfaced and eradicated. Now, this is just an example, I’ll give you a couple of examples of things that require that you be pretty above responding as humans:
Let’s say that a female in her adolescence was very self conscious about the size of her breasts. Either they were too big and she was self conscious about them or they weren’t as big as she wanted them to be when she was very much into that level of thinking, that being conflict there with the vehicle not being what the person wanted it to be, could cause a deep seeded destructive tendency in the cells of that area of the body. Which is of course cause for many cases of beast cancer or difficulties with malignant or non-malignant growths or abnormalities caused in that area of the body.
Let’s say the instance to that of early sex. While something that you wanted to do, but there was also that fear and a guilt, a deep seeded guilt because you might have felt that you were doing it before you should be doing it and it was let’s say you were too young if you snuck around to do it and this caused such things as prostate or vaginal or testicle or cancers or growths, things that occurred because of a deep seeded conflict, mental conflict.
Let’s say that someone wanted to, wanted to not see something and the conflict there could cause difficulties with the eyes.
We want you to think really long and hard on how this natural process works when causing breakdowns in the vehicle because of your not liking certain aspects of the vehicle.
Now this can apply to since you’ve been on this endeavor if trying to become a Member of the Next Level. You also have maybe slipped into guilt or shame regarding certain areas of your body or lets say you feel that your vehicle still wants to respond in a sensuous way and rather than translating that in a higher way, you have guilt and conflict toward those parts of your vehicle.
You should have frown enough by now to look at the reproductive parts of the vehicle in a much higher way than sex. In other words those reproductive organs can assist your body by abstinence in using those organs in a higher way but you still, well if you have healthy reproductive organs those organs can produce a vitality throughout your body that can even assist you and assist in your power, your strength to overcome the poisons or disease or conflict, of difficulty with your body.
So, as you meditate think carefully that your body is perfect, not perfect in a way a human cares to see because you don’t care anymore but your body is perfect, it’s whole, there’s nothing wrong with it. It doesn’t have anything about it that you dislike, it’s a perfect creation of the Next Level and all of its systems you want to be perfect and to function perfectly even though they will be functioning differently than they functioned when you were functioning as a human.
So in your mediation as you think of your vehicle as perfect and from one end to the other realize that it is exactly as it should be and go to every part of the vehicle that might even possibly have any ailment, pain or discomfort where there might have been any deep seeded guilt or self consciousness or shame or any type of conflict say to, direct your thought to that part of the body and say: “Healthy cells–“, in my, let’s say I have difficulty in my abdomen, then I’m going to say: “Healthy cells in my abdomen, you are going to be strong and overpower any unhealthy cells, you’re healthy, white, strong, large cells that are going to just eat up and eradicate any destructive or diseased cells in that area.”
Do this many times a day, even as you go about your work, you don’t have to be in a meditative position to practice this, even though practicing it thoroughly while you are in a meditative posture can certainly be more concentrated assistance, but even as you go about your chores and you become aware of those parts of your body that might have shown some symptoms of difficulty then immediately let your thoughts very strongly go to that area and tell the strong, white, large healthy cells and all the energy in your body to direct for that moment, that healing strength, that white light, that healthy energy to those cells and overcome any weak cells that are there or any diseased cells.
Think on this until you can really understand how the process of decay has worked or disease has worked and if you understand it thoroughly then you can understand that the same is true of the reverse that now you must apply the same amount of effort toward healing those areas as you did effort applied in guilt or shame or self consciousness. And when that effort has equalized those parts of your vehicle that have tried to breakdown on you will be perfect again.
Even, let’s say, that your surroundings caused you to be very hyper or very nervous or you just couldn’t tolerate the circumstance that you were in, say in childhood or adolescence or since then, or difficulties you’ve had in overcoming your vehicle. Now, zero in on those aspects of your vehicle, whether it’s your nervous system or particular parts of your vehicle, zero in on those and soothe them, calm them, flatter them if necessary. Make them know that there is nothing wrong. The cellular structure of those nerves or of those parts of your body they are perfect and if they are not perfect, then they are quickly going to become perfect with the application of your energy directed towards them and in healing them.
This is basically the principle employed through the ages by Jesus, by any who knew the actual workings of the physical mechanism and knew how to translate the energies into higher applications instead of translating them in ways that humans might have translated them.
Thank you.

Some corrections to those who say nothing Ti and Do said came true

January 8, 2019

Here are just a handful of all the many things Ti and Do said and taught and did that showed to have come true. However it will be each person’s choice to try to grow to see them or not. With each one – in no special order, I could give a lot more examples. I will expand this as they occur to me since a few people seem to think nothing they ever said came true:
Things TI and DO said that have come true:

1) In the 1970’s Ti and Do said we would enjoy the music of the spheres while Next Level Members:

from spaceweather.com on 11/23/2018:

MUSICAL” WAVES DETECTED IN EARTH’S MAGNETIC FIELD: This week in Norway, a space weather observatory detected sine waves of exceptional purity rippling through Earth’s polar magnetic field. The waves, which persisted for hours with nearly perfect pitch, have been linked to “tearing instabilities” and explosions in Earth’s magnetic tail–not to mention bright auroras in Arctic skies. Visit today’s edition of Spaceweather.com to see the waves and to learn more about them.

2) Ti and Do developed a movie script they said was fiction based on the truth that entailed Pluto being an “earth lab” inside and having a big “whitish” louvered door for spacecrafts to go in and out.

New Horizons spacecraft has documented that Pluto has a blueish atmosphere and has a large whitish spot on it’s “top” – could that be the “door” a type of a membrane door.

3) A spacecraft did come to pick them up. They felt Hale Bopp was the “marker” for that to come true.

4) Ti and Do said they would die and resurrect.

When the media hit they said for about 3 days they felt the “mission was dead” and there was no sense going on. (See 88Update). But they stood on their feet again to continue to have meetings and then after TI left DO stood up by himself (resurrection means “to stand up again”) as the one who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus and saying Ti was his “heavenly Father”.

An additional way this was true is demonstrated by Revelation chapter 11 as the two witnesses being first “subdued” (overcome) (1975 on the national news their vehicles reputations were shot down talking about them a thieves) and then they then “separated by dying themselves” (Greek “apokteino auto”). Their ascension (rising up) was invisible to humans but not to “those with eyes to see”, a common expression by Jesus referring to those who recognized “them” in some way.

5) They said they were not “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the vehicle taken over by an Older Member from the Next Level and taken through a metamorphosis to change into a new creature. They said Jesus would return as part of the 7th Closeness. (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). That closeness seems to have begun again, mostly as of 2017 with a final closeness yet to come but they said it was not to be a teaching time as that time has passed. For 20 years the Heaven’s Gate story diminished in the media. In fact during the 10 year anniversary there were only a few major media done on them. One was National Geographic’s – The Final Report; Heaven’s Gate.

For the next 10 years occasionally there would be a story that talked about them among the Luciferian space alien stimulated evil and abusive cults who did pressure people with controls and manipulations and murder and money mongering and blatant sexual “freedom” while Ti and Do’s group had none of that and actually a great deal of proof to the contrary.

For nearly 15 years my subscriptions to my youtube channel, 3spm grew maybe one every 6 months. Then 2017 hit when I also released my book and there were a few anniversary stories early on, like Inside Edition to where they continued the same mis/dis information campaign over again. After the anniversary I was approached by CNN/HLN to participate in a documentary. I asked the producer Alex Pressburg why they were covering the story – was it the anniversary – and he said no – it was because “it’s an interesting story”. That came out in the fall of 2017 alongside the 10 podcast series by Pineapple Street media via Stitcher I also interviewed for extensively on several occasions. The brought out new material – the letters Terrie received and the video Terrie received and with it accusations that TI was a hypocrite and that they were manipulative and controlling and that DO was insensitive to telling Terrie about Ti’s death but it became apparent that DO was following TI’s instructions (as I can show was true because DO had no reason to lie and because TI’s biggest concern on her deathbed according to DO and Lvvody and Jnnody who helped her in those last two weeks was DO’s carrying on without her. One huge aspect of DO’s carrying on was keeping the classroom hidden from any who wanted to find them and interfere with them. Hence DO didn’t tell Terrie right away because he knew that could stimulate an investigation that could land him in jail and/or split up the classroom.

There are 218 audio tapes that show how dedicated TI was to their classroom’s completion under DO. Plus TI had many opportunities to tell Terrie she was diagnosed with cancer in around 1983 while we lived in Texas and Terrie lived in Texas, but didn’t. Instead she just wrote letters – only one phone call in that time of years. Again because all that would do would be create more anxiety with Terrie and at that point especially the objective of letter contacts and subsequent visits in 1985 and 1986-7 was to “calm family anxieties”.
The claim was also made in the podcasts and by a number of other investigators that said DO became “a little psychotic” (said by x-student Frank (Andody) after Ti left but the evidence is that he continued with the classroom exactly as Ti had instigated as they were always looking for the way in which they were to leave the earth/human kingdom and how.
It’s easy to show that Ti and Do were willing to appear to be wrong to put students that were not in the classroom with all their hearts, souls, mind and strength. In other words they followed their instructions hence the establishment of a pick up by a spacecraft in 1980 or so didn’t happen but because it didn’t Jssody (joined with Alxody) left the group, while for those that had been fully committed it didn’t matter as they (I) were not banking on a spacecraft pickup to remain in the classroom. Some souls were simply further along in their overcoming of humanness process so they had many ways of filtering them out or helping them overcome their doubts.

Lots more to say about this that can be seen in my blog posts with Pineapple in the title. That’s at: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com

6) They said spirits existed and now I’ve seen them on a number of occasions where while in the classroom it made sense to me so I believed it but I hadn’t seen anything. One can see my descriptions of those events in my blog sawyerhg.wordpress.com in Sawyer’s Story.

7) They said there would be more interest in them after they left as it wasn’t designed by the Next Level to attract large numbers as there were only a certain amount of positions students who graduates would be given to fill.

8) They said they were from the same family as Jesus was from and was a type of repeat performance – teaching the same requirements of leaving all behind to qualify. They (DO by himself post 1985 when Ti left her vehicle) stuck to that from 1975 to 1997. It seems they began to examine exiting by our own hand (as Jesus did, since he stimulated his capture and said in the book of John, “no man takes it from me” speaking about his vehicles life. Jesus also talked about how his students needed to “drink the same cup of his blood” he was given to drink knowing they would be hated and killed the same way He was hated and killed. Ti and Do were mostly hated and some wanted them dead. I witnessed at the Waldport meeting a woman in the back shouting very loudly, “you ought to be shot” when they said children could not come, explaining that children couldn’t make a choice to leave the world they hadn’t hardly experienced.

If one compares all of the red letter parts of the 4 gospels – the words attributed to Jesus with Ti and Do’s teachings one will see they are exactly the same teachings. Thus if Jesus said it – forecast it then when Ti and Do put it in more accurate to modernity and generic terms they were showing proof they were the same Older Members returned as promised and that’s why most who call themselves Christians often don’t know they are not believers in what Jesus taught, except for a few things, but according to Jesus to be his disciple one needed to abide by all he taught, not just pick and choose.

My book: “TI and Do The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses” provides a great deal of the evidence of how what they said as the Father and Jesus came true or is about to come true through everything Ti and Do taught and did and said would happen at the conclusion of the civilization.

9) Ti and Do said that when they left, the human kingdom would be accelerated towards recycling and that would be a further testing ground for each human. If one looks at events that have escalated in the US since the late 1990’s (the time of the Seven Thunders of Rev 10) one will see a dramatic increase in more animalistic human behaviors as each human is forced to become what they are, what they had been entertaining in their heads mostly until then but now don’t have the self control to not play out. Hence mass shootings, more earthquakes that are larger and larger, tsunami’s, volcanic eruptions, larger hurricane’s, while humans try to take responsibility for these because the Luciferians hate for people to think the Next Level exists and are behind their escalation.

10) The Hale Bopp comet was the “marker” for their exit. In other words whether there was a companion with it or not didn’t’ matter. They knew it was the event of a spacecraft picking them up they had been waiting for since 1975. NASA astronomers stated in their annual Hale Bopp symposiums after 1997 that they believed Hale Bopp was made up of TWO objects in orbit around a common center. This can also be shown to be the “sign” Jesus described as “lightning (star like – shining/strewn from east to west (along the ecliptic).
11) Ti and Do said in 1975 that spacecrafts can be all kinds of sizes and shapes and colors. Through all the many NASA and ESA and other astronomical institutions it’s been learned that comets were not “dirty snowballs”. None of them so far are round. They look like a bowling pin sometimes and have jets that seem to stimulate their rotation and propulsion.

Ultima Thule was described as reddish and looks like a snowman made up from two clearly distinct objects appearing to be fused together with some kind of “light” attachment method – docking?

Pineapple Street Heavens Gate Episode 6 x-member claims DO becomes Psychotic

December 17, 2017

Here is Sawyer’s response to the Pineapple Street Media’s podcast series Heaven’s Gate – episode 6 – The Choice – featuring x-Heaven’s Gate cult member – Frank (Andody) who joined together with Erika (Chkody) who joined from the same Waldport, Oregon meeting as did Sawyer (Swyody) in 1975.

Chkody was among the 38 who laid down their human vehicles lives with DO in March of 1997 and her statement is included in the podcast from the Student Exit Videos.

My response here is not to find fault with Frank in any way shape or form as he made his choice to join and made his 17+ year choices to stay in the cult and has since continued to make choices on how to think and talk publically about TI and DO and his experience. My aim is to present the side of a believer in Ti and Do, that I am and in that sense believe I can speak for Chkody (Erika) as well.

I consider all former classmates to be family because of our joint experience but when they say things that in my opinion misrepresent TI and DO, I feel committed to speak up about it, so the side for TI and DO is provided for others to judge for themselves what to believe about them. That voice for them is infrequently heard otherwise.

However, in life for all people, different people often come away with different responses to the same circumstances and especially when it comes to beliefs even within the same organization. I learned this many years ago pertaining to this Heaven’s Gate story, when I visited with Frank in Seattle, around 2005 and we had completely different takes of at least one event we both experienced in the classroom. Now I know there are a number, even many more.

Frank says, (regarding he and Ericka’s joining with TI and DO); “When first joining I was mixed about not being together anymore but didn’t want to miss the opportunity and [they would] take it one step at a time.” He says it “didn’t sink in that it would be the end of the relationship” (with Erika).

Erika said in the Exit tape she made, that at the Waldport meeting it was “instant recognition” (of Ti and Do and/or their information) for her.

I also experienced that instant recognition. It wasn’t like I had a deja vu experience, thinking I recognized TI and/or DO. For me it was a recognition that their information spoke to me as being true which felt so different from all the other spiritual minded quests I’d read about or experimented with up until then. I knew I had to go with them and knew it meant leaving all behind and giving it my 100% of time and energy. I knew that included breaking up with my partner, now known as Sarah (Srfody), one of the Heaven’s Gate Webmasters with Mark (Mrcody), whom I had lived with for five years before then. She was from the same home town on Long Island where we met and who I fell in love with and who I sought to build my life with that included moving to the British Columbia, Canada bush/mountain country to try to homestead.

When Sarah and I left the Waldport/Newport, OR area, about the third day after the meeting in Waldport with Ti and Do, which was the time frame recommended to “get our house in order,” not having any other circumstances to require more time, (as some others had with house ownership and children even), I recall Sarah for the first time in even years wanting to snuggle and perhaps have sex. This was unusual because I had become the sole instigator of that physical part of our relationship and just a month or two before that time Sarah had started up a relationship with another man named Hobbit that followed what might have been another, possibly with a Canadian man (Aldi) who came to visit us and who she went up to visit. (I only know for sure about her open fling with Hobbit, but what was clear is that she hadn’t been happy with me for quiet some time and how she hitchhiked up to Canada without me to pursue.)

I was heartbroken by those events that did not work out for her so she wanted to get back together with me which I agreed to, having recovered from her choices but I was not angry with her for. I’m not faulting her for wanting someone else, but to then want me in that physical way for the first time in a long time, by her instigation struck me then as very odd and for the first time in our 5 year relationship I turned her down.

My point in explaining this, is that it appeared to be an indicator that she may not have had the same kind of instant recognition I had and would explain why she had a number of episodes in the classroom that showed that and led to her wanting to leave when the opportunity presented itself with Mark’s choice to no longer abide by DO’s teaching lesson step that was referred to as “I could be wrong.” That lesson step was designed to reduce our dependence in our own human mind over the Mind from our Older Members – Ti and Do. That lesson step was kin to when TI told us all that, “you need to give us your will” in around 1978. And it seems to be exactly what Jesus taught when he said to be his disciple one needed to “deny yourself” and is what would be a primary part of a disciples prayer to their Heavenly Father that requested that “your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”.

I was not mixed about breaking up with Sarah, though I won’t say it wasn’t a little awkward when I did see her, but like Frank described, we two were also separated and when we traveled were assigned to different groups.

The Host of the show then says: “It was drilled into the followers that human emotions were not allowed in the Next Level” and something about how one could not be “in love” and get to the Next Level.

That’s a huge distortion to say, as human emotions were not banned. We had no procedure that said, Thou shall have no emotions. I’d bet most members laughed every day and it would have been inappropriate to laugh at another expense or behind the back of others like is frequent in the human kingdom.

We still experienced sadness at times, like when we individually slipped from our goals, but it’s true we were taught not to linger in that sadness and use it to stimulate having an even better handle on those goals. (One goal would be to remain celibate in both body and mind). We were taught to maintain a “pleasant countenance”, a part of controlling our vehicles vibration.

If someone was “down in the mouth”, it wasn’t like they would be reprimanded by anyone but it showed they were troubled about something so their partner or the Overseeers of a department they were in, might ask them about it or write to Ti and Do about it, as it could be a sign that they aren’t happy even being here if they couldn’t override it.

Another time for some sadness was when TI and DO pushed us to be more “thirsty” for next steps. There was never any yelling or raising of voices or threats of any kind, nor punishment, like happens all the time in the human kingdom to keep people in line, to keep their jobs, etc.

On a rare occasion we learned they were displeased with us. The times I’m thinking of just so happened to take place when we were living in Austin and DO delivered the news in one of those cases. Ti had instigated choral singing of Christmas carols, that she did not participate in, as she said she wanted us to learn to look to DO for direction. (DO never sang with us, more than a few notes to demonstrate how to sing a certain phrase). Mllody played piano. We sang for TI after we’d practiced some and some in the class designed new lyrics to the song, The Twelve Days of Christmas. We gave TI a little concert. A very short time later, DO held a meeting without TI present and said something about our lyrics disturbed TI. Those lyrics were “ten years a waiting…” (meant to imply waiting for the pickup). The students who wrote those lyrics that we practiced separately, I believe were drawing from knowing that TI and DO hating being here because the vibration had become so distorted. TI even thought parts of the plant kingdom showed that lower vibration. The example I can recall was how TI thought the oak trees she saw growing in Texas weren’t designed to grow all crooked and twisted up like they are. They wanted the task to be over, so they could go back to resume the life style and physical vehicles and positions they had before coming to earth to do this task.

TI considered being in the human kingdom like being in a snake pit and I didn’t see it that way, even a little until after I left and I realized that to us, it’s normal for there to be all kinds of sneakiness, deceit, back biting, back stabbing, profiteering to another detriment, manipulations, predatory behaviors, legalized robbery and murder, sold as collateral damage to anybody who is in the wrong place at the wrong time because their leaders stand in the way of certain agendas, Examples as of late are found in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, etc where people are killed or die because of.

But what DO helped us see was how He was with his Older Member and we were with our Older Member so we weren’t going to have the same longing to leave. We should have been happy to stay as long as it’s our task to stay. We were not really “waiting” to exit as we had our Overcoming tasks to do and needed to be here to finish it. TI didn’t need to learn the lessons we were having.

I realized, in a sense, since originally they said we’d be picked up in “months” and “not later than 5 years”, both of which didn’t come true, it was like pushing that into TI’s face to say we were waiting. By the way, TI had said one time that the reason the “demonstration” didn’t happen as they thought it would was because the students were not ready to leave then. That would explain how Revelation 11 regarding the Two Witnesses could be translated in several ways because of the varied time frames in the prophecy in between their being “subdued” and then “separating by dying themselves” (also having several interpretations that could have worked to demonstrate fulfillment).

There was also no prohibition from enjoying a food or a sunset or mountain view or the colors and aromas of flowers, etc, though Ti and Do taught that we would outgrow even those degrees of sensual stimulus.

But yes having emotion between students was taught to be suppressed and redirected to one aim, to foster that emotion with only our Heavenly Father, though TI, before she exited made it very specific that our commitment (love) was to be towards DO only. TI instigated this and it was the lesson step of making one’s “committal” to DO, which we did individually and privately in notes that would go directly to Ti and Do. They didn’t tell us what to say in our notes but we were required to express ourselves. If we couldn’t it was a sign that we weren’t in the right place being in that classroom.

As a matter of fact, I think it safe to say that everything Ti and Do taught, said and did had the potential of “testing” our commitment if we made one. That’s the nature of being a student in a cult – there are no tail feathers on the teachers – no degrees in Theology or affiliation with the rich and famous or to huge mega million dollar organizations that all tend to give us a sense of credibility, whether we see it or not.

So it’s true that one can not graduate into the Next Level when married (committed and “in love” with another human). Jesus taught this when he said:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection ((rising, Standing up again, graduation)) they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Marriage was the form of making that committal, TI said, was started by the Next Level, to bring some structure to whom one propagated with. It became known as adultery when people broke the various procedures that governed such commitments and relationships. Jesus said Moses gave in to his students to allow them to divorce. Moses and Jesus taught that the aim was for students to give all their heart, all their mind, all their soul and all their strength to God, but when a Representative from God’s kingdom wasn’t physically present in a human vehicle with us then the way we would show our love for God was to demonstrate it by loving our neighbors as ourselves. In other words we were to see all humans we lived among as our neighbors. It’s not a theoretical “love” and nor was it meant as a sexual love, but a friendly love.

So as long as one was abiding by the teachings of the Next Level in that regard as best they could, getting up whenever they fall short of that, they were still growing closer to becoming members of the Next Level. All the plants in the “garden” don’t grow at the same rate and have bursts of growth at the same times and to the same degrees. So the lesson steps, though everyone can apply them, are given in stages so no one has more on their plate than they can handle, that is if they look to the Next Level for help.

The Next Level determines which souls or spirits still have the capacity to advance closer to graduation and “saves” them for a future opportunity, though they turn up the heat for each of us to make our choices of whom to serve, like Jesus said between making our master, God (The One true kingdom of God in whatever terms, secular or religious) OR Mammon (human mammalian forms of treasure and wealth)

TI and DO said that the Next Level still loves Lucifer and that they have given him and his associates who fell many opportunities to get back on track, even though the more one goes against the Next Level’s present Representatives teachings the harder it gets to change, so that one subtly loses whatever degree of recognition they once had. Thus the lessons need to get harder for that soul to be stimulated to change.

Frank then talks about how: “my thoughts at times were filled with doubts and questioning everything…”, which he indicated was part of what compounded with the “suppression of feelings” that resulted in the development of a deeper voice and a stutter in his speech.

I do wonder where Frank got the understanding that DO’s mimic of his suddenly deeper voice was expressing a masculine voice. I don’t recall if DO spoke about it at that meeting but I doubt he did, though not saying it’s not possible. The way Frank says it in the broadcast was, “…he was conveying to me that I was expressing a masculine voice.” Whatever DO said or didn’t say, Frank said he felt “humiliated – ashamed for expressing my masculinity” and said he had a “deep seated anger of who is he to express how I should speak”.

I guess by that point it shows that just being a body in the classroom didn’t necessarily mean much when one’s mind was far apart, so in this way DO’s response of repeating a low sounding voice, that Frank sees as mimicking, and may be an accurate depiction became a test to get him “off the fence,” he had apparently been on, or he wouldn’t have built up a “deep seated anger” towards DO as he reported.

Why was Frank angry? I don’t know if he gave reasons why he was angry. In terms of his reporting his response to DO’s “mimic” of thinking, “who is he [DO] to express how he [Frank] should speak,” DO was the individual he chose to leave all behind to follow, at that point for over 10 years. As far as I could tell, Frank was as committed to Ti and Do’s process as anyone else but what was going on in his head or that he might have talked about with him partners and/or TI and DO was not known to me.

But at that point of the mimic, it seems Frank didn’t see DO as his teacher or he wouldn’t have had “deep seated anger” because he would have been keeping things surfaced.

I was given a number of personal lessons and in none of them was I embarrassed. All the students got lessons in group and personally. Had I been Frank’s partner then and say he starting talking in a much lower than usual voice, I probably would have felt obligated to mention it to him, bring it up to him to examine it, and perhaps I would have written a note to DO about it since it was my partner and partners were instructed to ask one another for their observations and help to see their ways that were not the ways taught to us from TI and DO.

There was no procedure on how to speak and what tone our voice would have but this was certainly not normal for Frank so it was in itself a “red flag” that something was wrong. Now to clarify, if a partner knew their partner had been working with DO on any behavior or way, the partner wouldn’t try to step in. I never said anything to Frank about his low voice and/or stutter and I doubt anyone else would have either as it was then between him and DO. At the time I didn’t even think about it at all really. It was strange but I didn’t have a judgement about it. That wasn’t my business – we were all taught to keep our eyes on our own behavior and ways, unless something came about that we had to pay attention to.

Frank says, “I was not allowed to be me… not safe to express who I am…” and that was true because who “me” was needed to shift from the old “me” to the new “me”, from the caterpillar “me” to the butterfly “me”. It was getting rid of a human form of individuality.

Ti and Do taught that no humans are really individuals because we don’t know how we become the product of the discarnate influences that attach to us. They taught that who we really are is the “chooser” of what to think, say and do, which decided which discarnates we accept and which we reject. And there is nothing wrong with that. It’s a beautiful design of the human kingdom but was never meant to be satisfying, hence why we go through stages of “seeking” what more there might be, though that may only surface in our conscious as dissatisfaction with who we are, what we are doing.

If by “suppression of feelings” Frank is referring to not being allowed to play out his feelings for Erika, yes that was part of the program. And yes I agree that according to Ti and Do, not changing our human feelings to feelings for TI and DO’s Mind, instructions, procedures, behaviors and ways in the Next Level Program for us, could have negative mental and/or physical consequences, as DO talked about in relationship to Terrie’s physical ailments, from the suffering in relationship to her dealing with her mother’s absence from her life, which DO indicated could have been largely subconscious because of her root system to TI, her vehicle’s mother.

Additional suppression of feelings we all had to impose upon ourselves to be in the program 100% was by blocking out the past and thus suppressing feelings for our human family, friends, career, goals, forms of entertainment, desires that even include doing what one wants to do when one wants to do it. Rkkody exemplified this last point. He left the class no less than three times and was able to stay in touch so returned each time until he laid down his life in 1998. It became known among class members in a light hearted way, since DO knew Rkkody both recognized his Older Member and I know, loved him, that he felt confined at times and just wanted to be able to “go out and get a pizza when he wanted to”. DO, I believe brought specific example at a meeting when Rkkody had returned.

But this suppression of the expression of human feelings for things that used to be in our lives, didn’t have to be a negative just like not giving into sensuality, though perhaps somewhat unhealthy to a human’s normal health, if it was purely voluntary and dealt with, as such feelings surfaced, wouldn’t become a negative in that program. For instance, when I joined I knew I was going to have to cease playing musical instruments. I was part of a 4 piece band who had gigs in and around Newport, Oregon. I left them and sold my instruments. (By the way I don’t recall TI or DO or any of their literature spelling that out. I just knew it. But on that subject, I used to have dreams that I was trying to play the flute and couldn’t get the notes out, like I didn’t have the wind. For the first month after joining I had a flute with me that I brought to try to sell on the road. I didn’t feel to play it and I knew I was starting a new life and such things would no longer be in it. I sold it and used the money to buy a broken down car that lasted maybe a week.

But had I longed to play music, I imagine if I didn’t block out those feelings and shift my attention to the activities in the classroom at that time, they could have become pent up stress that over time could get stronger and could have tempted me to want to leave because of and/or could have taken a toll on my health in some ways. So that becomes compounded, the more things like that we don’t block out of our consciousness.

Frank said when he left the cult he was “elated”. In a sense I was also when I left, noting that I enjoyed doing simple things for myself, like choosing what I wanted to eat.

The way TI and DO would explain that, was that once we leave the class, we were “going with our discarnate influences” re-attracting the influences we had been keeping at bay by not giving into doing the things that the influences sought to attach to us to do through our vehicle; i.e. playing an instrument, fixing a meal of our choice, playing a sport, having a relationship, having sex, pursuing a career, etc.

Thus leaving the class eliminated that conflict which the vehicle then felt elated by. However, according to Jesus (just like what Ti and Do taught in different terms) we then attract “7 other demons that are worse than what we had to deal with before.” I can’t say I can count 7 discarnates that sought to attach to me after I left, but I can recognize characteristics of thinking I have to deal with now that I never had to deal with before and during the classroom time. For instance of late I’ve seen myself judging what others do and how others physically look to me. In the past I would have recognized differences in people’s appearance but now I’ve got an opinion about it that sort of defines the “book by it’s cover” which to me is a demon. However, I do still retain Ti and Do’s teachings so when I hear those thoughts I treat them as demons and shoe them away. Ti and Do taught that we are not responsible for the thoughts that occur to us, but we are responsabile for the thoughts we allow to linger in our consciousness.

In a comment Frank made on the Episode 5 facebook page, he said something about not suppressing feelings while not always “acting (them) out” either, but allowing ourselves to express them as being good for us to do. I’m not saying some of that can not be advantageous. I suspect that’s the basis of “confession of sins (missed the mark)”, to get things off our chest. We had regular weekly “slippage meetings” for that purpose, yet had a bunch of procedures of what not to bring up (sexuality, not even using the word) except as a generalization of something to the affect of “I gave into sensuality” and in that case would add that we wrote a note to TI and DO explaining the details. We had instruction to not blame anyone else for our slippage and to provide a remedy with each one, so what one might say, “I entertained thoughts of the past” and my remedy was to “nip it in the bud” better next time.

But I wonder if repeating our feelings over and over could be considered by Ti and Do as an indulgence in those thoughts and thus a strengthening of them and if there are others present who are susceptible to their influence an even greater negative to say out loud.

Ti and Do taught that the thoughts and feelings we have become what we are and what we “believe” and what we get when we exit these vehicles, whether they are based in reality and what degree or not. The more we entertain these beliefs the stronger we become them. When class members entertained thoughts that doubted DO they also separated from him, from His Next Level Mind and start to lose touch more and more with recognizing who He and TI are and who they represent and from having the strength to ward off the Lower Forces misinformation attacks. This applies to all aspects of the classroom, not just to doubts. When we don’t do our homework by kicking out thoughts, behaviors and ways that are not from their mind, to include thoughts/feelings of sensuality we separate from him.

Frank expressed this was happening from the start so it’s no wonder he came to see DO in a different light than that classmates that stayed, including Chkody (Erika) and others, to the point that he began to see DO, in his words as “a little psychotic” when DO brought to his students attention, after the Branch Davidian ATF/FBI murders in 1992, his consideration of the way we might get firearms to pose a threat to authorities who might then become the instruments of our laying down our vehicles lives.

Note – Even though Jesus rebuked Peter when he struck, with a sword, one of the Jewish military (Sanhedrin guards) who came to capture Jesus by his arrangement, Jesus was against violence yet instructed his disciples to have a sword with them:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Why did they need to carry swords this time when they went out to preach about him when they didn’t have them before when he sent them out. Was he trying to pose a threat without suggesting use of the sword when he said:

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Perhaps some that they would encounter in their travels might cause some to think twice about confronting them. Jesus at their last supper together told them their task was to go out and tell the truth about what they heard and experienced from Jesus. Jesus knew that if they hated him they would hate his students too since they were of the same Mind. So Jesus led them to “laying down their human lives,” because they chose to follow him, as he was demonstrating. Jesus said that they would have to “drink from the same cup” that was literally willing to shed their blood as he was willing to do because this was part of their demonstration of their overcoming aka their Christing (metamorphic) task.

But hearing this perspective from DO, I admit was a tiny bit challenging for me to consider doing anything with a weapon, yet I knew TI nor DO would condone being violent. They considered the governments that murdered people and built weapons for that purpose as primitive savage “snakes” or “weeds”, while many in society see it at best as so called necessary evil, yet the only necessary evil as Jesus taught was in the provision of the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls that provided our choices to go against God’s laws or not. Thus that presentation became a test of each students recognition of DO and whether they chose to override doubts and negative judgements of him or not.

It’s quite possible and even probable that the entire premise of laying down our vehicles by the hand of the govt was unlikely, at least at that time during the First Wave (Classroom), though could still apply into the future as it did after Jesus left, which is indicated in Jesus’ prophecy as occurring during the 5th Seal Opening time period. We are currently in the start of the 4th Seal Opening time period, that of the Green Horse (human vehicle) (Trump) – money, wealth being in charge which followed Obama as the “black or jacinth “horse” (human vehicle) that coincided with the wall street banking crisis in 2007-8. This followed the Red Horse (G.W. Bush and administration as the Red (Ruddy) horse who brought the endless war on terror, starting in 2000 after DO fulfilled the task of the White horse when he came public starting in the 1990’s in ways that can be documented to show demonstrating the remaining 6 of 7 roars (thunders) from the Lion of the Tribe of Juda.

But at this time, it seemed more and more apparent that DO saw the modus operandi of the Luciferian Space Alien “Fallen Angels” at this time as mostly to ignore He and TI and their returning crew of “saints”. That’s what prompted him to get bolder with what we claimed in the 1994 meeting posters and presentation, even stating in the last poster what the “shedding of our vehicles may be required”.

In the Portland, Oregon meeting in early 1994, that we do have on tape, DO expressed this to some degree, considering that we might have to get even bolder to put the truth in front of more people that could also generate a response that could assist us in our exit, as it did 2000 years ago, where people thought they were killing in God’s name.

The authorities have become the unwitting instruments of the lower forces of this planet, thus they will in many cases justify their agendas – the execution of atrocities all over the planet, seeing even their murders as “collateral damage” to keep their authority and profiteering.

DO had followed the Randy Weaver story that followed Waco and the Freemen story as well and though he never supported anyone’s enacting violence against anyone, knew that potential for us to become targets existed so he sought to prepare us for that, should it happen before or after he left. So like Jesus he was following his instruction from his Older Member to even bring up the subject of firearms, taking his clue in that regard from the Waco event. That’s the way the Next Level works, using human’s choices to convert them into a Next Level positive, in this case, completing their task which always involved leaving earth without our human vehicles.

Yes, Do thought about this and the part that Ben Zeller read was written by DO but what wasn’t nor understood was how DO updated that writing and in so doing took away that entire section about taking up firearms. He first posted the initial document, entitled, “Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure” on September 25-26, 1995 and in January of 1997 updated it that even changed the title to: “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure”. Jesus was put in quotes because as they always said neither Ti nor Do were Jesus because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level (who TI said was DO) incarnated into to perform that task. (Though they always said from 1974-6 that all the Revelations prophecies would be fulfilled that included Jesus coming in the 7th and last “closeness” where they considered themselves as the 6th closeness and that that coming was not to be a “teaching one” (like the 6th was via the Two Witnesses task of delivery of new information via speaking).

Below I provide a link to my blog post that shows the full comparison of these two versions of Undercover “Jesus” where the part about obtaining a firearm was removed.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/do-reduces-the-requirements-to-leave-with-him-by-updating-undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

Plus he never manipulated anyone – there were never any locked door or fences around our campgrounds. Keys to cars were locked up every night because some would leave in the middle of the night sometimes and Ti and Do didn’t want to lose a car to them. Money was locked up for the same reason. Doors were locked to keep people from the outside from coming in. But I don’t recall phones were disconnected at night though we often had someone up all night doing a night watch task. If someone wanted to leave Ti and Do preferred they tell them and they always tried to help them with a bus or airplane ticket and sometimes with a car and/or some money as was the case with me. I was given a plane ticket and $600 in cash. They still almost always moved soon after someone would leave if Ti and Do felt they might reveal where we were, in case a private eye was looking for someone.

DO never entertained mounting any kind of attack against the government or to do any violent act against anyone ever (Their exit method was not violent. It was as gentle as one could imagine leaving one’s vehicle could be – the vehicle dying in one’s sleep).

However, further addressing that part of the Undercover…” post Ben Zeller read in Episode 6 was what came after describing – Believers in Them taking a stand, not being submissive to authorities (though not breaking any laws either) and how that could eventually lead to those authorities becoming the aggressors and seeing radicals with firearms as a threat to the public so could facilitate their exit of their vehicles.

DO was simply following his instruction from TI by outlining an option that the Next Level would find an acceptable way to both show our commitment to the Next Level by following, if we so chose, and as a way to lay down our vehicles to exit should authorities bring trumpeted up charges against us individually or as a group and not having to submit to them and their treatment of us. He made those posts in 1995, approx. 6 months or more after he had outlined for the entire class the procedure for self exiting that he still continued then to prepare for.

I know DO bought at least one rifle which I read about in Rio’s book saying Strody (a classmate with a 60 something year old female vehicle) did some target shooting when they were building what they called a “fortress” near Mansano, New Mexico. Rio didn’t indicate there was a program for all to learn to shoot the rifle.

I’m not sure where I got this, but thought if we got a rifle we would load it with blanks and/or learn to shoot above the heads of someone so if it was to be used it would appear to be a real threat. I can’t actually say I recall DO saying that so perhaps it was how I first dealt with the idea after the Waco murders of the Branch Davidians when DO first brought up the idea. It wasn’t an easy idea for me to handle as it faced me at the time with just how far I would go in my commitment to DO. Would I shoot someone, if I was given that instruction, I asked myself and what I felt was that I wouldn’t be asked to do that. But I did not question DO’s bringing it up and considering it, so like everything in the classroom it felt like another test that I would pass and it would not be the last such test.

The way I heard Frank speak of that classroom it sounded as if he resented the procedures, saying we had to “toe the line” as if it was drudgery as opposed to performing our task assignments with a sense of feeling very happy and even honored to do so. He said we were to “stay under the radar”, as if we were hiding when a huge part of the classroom overcoming process was to want to be transparent and to enjoy being watched all the time. In this context it would have only been a negative to be watched if we sought to hide something. I think from Franks admission he had something to hide thus appears to have resented being under that Next Level microscope.

Franks case and I, Sawyer also engaged in some deceit and tried to hide some of my behaviors. But to be clear this isn’t always totally conscious, so it may be mostly in hindsight that Frank has developed his apparent disdain for DO and the classroom experience.

Ti and DO used to compare their task on earth to being “undercover” and dropped behind enemy lines to where the only lifeline they had was their remote communication with the Next Level and that the task was so important that they didn’t want to say or do anything that would jeopardize the successful completion of that task. I didn’t see that as illusionary thinking. It made perfect sense to me. But a big part of being undercover was in the procedures they had to use to verify they are receiving instructions from their “heavenly Father” as opposed to the efforts of a human or human equivalent trickster. Before Ti left her vehicle she had taught DO how to engage that “checking” process. Part of that was running things by his “helpers” and/or “overseers”. But that was often combined with his observations of events in the world, with the Waco event.

The basis of having “check partners” was to perform all our tasks with more confidence we were working in accordance to our Older Member’s wishes. And partners were to help us be to our partners a “mirror” other sets of eyes to help us see our self and what we might be thinking, saying or doing differently from what our Older Members had taught. That is what Jesus meant by making one’s eye single – having 100% concentration on one aim – to follow our Older Member wherever he goes and in whatever he would have us do.

We needed to want to be subject to that “radar”. It was part of becoming crew minded and not seeking to shine for shining sake. “Behaving” – living according to the provided behaviors and ways, “Following procedures, the rules, to those that truly wanted to be there were very satisfying, very fulfilling and purposeful feeling. Anyone that has worked in a team effort knows how great it feels to be part of that team and how fun it is to work together as different spokes in the wheel and for those that were fully there, I know they felt that.

I’m not suggesting Frank didn’t experience a lot of this pride and satisfaction, but at least in the way he spoke that was put together by the Pineapple Street crew it would seem he has forgotten about or sees in a different light now.

We developed a lot of procedures surrounding our need to feed these vehicles, to set up the preparation of food as an experiment, which I see as ingenious – simulating the real deal of training to meet the qualifications of becoming a crew member in laboratories that are involved in the mechanics of a vast creation.

So Frank calls DO “controlling” and says he got even more controlling after TI left her vehicle, but the facts are that if one wants to consider him ever to be “controlling”, he became less of that after TI left.

If he became more controlling, then why did he send us back to visit families again in 1987? Why wasn’t their sending us to visit families in 1985 enough after the first 10 years of no such visits. The first visit was spoken of by Ti and Do as relieving anxieties family members had that they became most aware of when they found out about the Newsletter Nancy Brown started. It was because of that visit that Rthody decided to leave and is when Frank and Erika who traveled together would have had the chance to run away together and when I could have run away with “sarah” as we two traveled together (and I felt on the airplane and in a car with her, I did wonder if she was coming on to me, but I ignored it.

Starting in 1987 DO brought in a bunch of books, some about UFO’s, abduction reports, close encounters, UFO Crash at Aztec, that included autopsy reports from Dr. Leonard Stringfield. He started up a little video project I was on the committee for. He sent Lggody and others to UFO conferences in Arkansas and Nevada to video interview leading ufologists.

He started us into all kinds of health and longevity research. We had a little company called, ALERT (Advanced Life Extension Research Team). He had us publish a book called the Transfiguration Diet. I was assigned to drive one of our little carpools. I’d drop off classmates at their “out of craft tasks” (jobs in the world) and then go to mine by myself and during my lunch hour, I chose to visit book stores of my choosing to sell books. I could have easily just cashed my check one day and drove off with a Cadillac. I remember one time even having that thought, though it wasn’t a thought I had been entertaining so it had no affect on me, nor did I have any reason to want to leave.

It seemed we had more frequent times when we were required to spend 20 minutes or so opening the door of our minds to whether there was something in the world we wanted. When that time period was over we were to resume blocking out such thoughts. However, if we had been entertaining such thoughts it would have strengthened such thoughts.

DO offered students $2000 to leave the classroom saying he didn’t want anyone staying because of fear of going back into the world and because life in the classroom had become easy – communal living, no worry about the things humans had to worry about like paying bills, keeping a job, dealing with life in what TI called the “real world” as ours was a simulation of life on a spacecraft and if one person lost a job it didn’t break the bank.

DO brought in more books related to the bible – Strong’s concordance, 4-5 versions of the Bible, Dakes, the Parallel, an Amplified, the dead sea scrolls, about the Essenes, the Nag Hammadi library, the Inner Earth evidence from Admiral Byrd’s expedition and even the book Holy Blood Holy Grael that depicted Jesus tricking people to think he had died and resurrected and instead went to live in France where he started a family. That was not the story we thought happened so DO was providing us with that thinking and I don’t recall that he talked about the book.

DO wrote “’88 Update The UFO Two and their Crew”, in which he revealed before he had awakened how he had been leading a homosexual lifestyle. Who knows whether learning that tested some.

Srrody and I started two companies (DBA’s). One we called, Think Link and the second one was called Word Wise and we tried to secure contract programming jobs and got a few but we were on our own to plan what we would do and how.

Srrody and I started training classmates to do computer programming work. DO didn’t give us procedures on how to do that. Students who were intested in that line of work volunteered. Chkody was one of them, with Glnody.

We started making crosses out of fine/rare woods and inlayed semi-precious stones in some of them. Prkody (who left before Frank and has since died) was a primary and Srrody and I were on the crew and we ended up selling them. Do left us on our own as to their design as there are many different kinds of crosses.

When we dealt with the public at times we started being more honest about who we were, saying we were a monastic group. I remember when Lggody was assigned the primary position to design a portable stand for the two 7 foot diameter satellite dishes we had. I was Lggody’s check partner and he was brother Logan and I was brother Sawyer to the people we bought supplies from. That was a change from hiding the true nature of our group.

I never saw Ti nor Do as controlling anyway. If Frank didn’t want to be there, which he indicated was the case, then he was seeing what he chose to “see”. There was no manipulation and the controls were all voluntary so can’t be rightfully considered controlling.

We were taught to fully control our own vehicles, whether that meant not letting out gas outside the “bath chamber” or not allowing our vehicle to dwell on the past or on sensuality or even in imagining ways to fix the human world.

Finally, I will show how DO actually relaxed certain “controls” as to who could qualify to catch the eye of a member of the Level Above Human. This is shown by the differences between the first and last versions of the document DO wrote entitled, ‘Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure’. At first he expressed that “laying down” of one’s human body was needed to demonstrate one’s bond and leave with him to not be among those who are recycled. He changed it to “preparing to lay down one’s body” while not disqualifying that one could die from natural causes and still have their Soul saved for a future classroom. He also removed the prospect of taking up a firearm so the authorities might assist one in exiting their vehicle (not by doing any harm to anyone with it but just by having it when one might be apprehended by authorities for being a radical and not choosing to submit to being taken to jail on trumped up charges, for example).

As shown by my post on the way DO reduced the qualifications to leaving with him, the edit/update of Undercover “Jesus”… demonstrates without question less “control” over who could aspire to advance towards their own graduation.

Nor did DO demonstrate that “controlling and manipulative” person Frank and others try to paint him as, when Frank told DO he wanted to leave. Is asking him if he is sure evidence of controlling and manipulation? Lets say one of our kids who became an adult didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of their parents – to join and help run the parents’ company. Wouldn’t a good parent try to remind their offspring what they are giving up? That was DO appealing to that part of He and Ti’s Mind that was still in Andody’s vehicle – Frank. DO was showing how he cared for Andody to face him with that prospect. DO didn’t say no, he couldn’t leave or didn’t delay his leaving nor have students try to talk him out of it. Remember Frank had become DO’s student for around 17 years at that point and that meant passing by many “tests.”

Finally, Frank says when he was preparing to leave, “classmates were hovering around to make sure I didn’t take anything I wasn’t supposed to take,” another example of how he was in his own world as we had no instruction to watch him that I was aware of and I was one that took him to the airport. However perhaps Srrody did receive instructions to sort of usher him out of the classroom and that could have included giving back the silver wedding bands we wore, that DO gave us to represent our marriage to him (that TI before she left had told us to show to DO our commitment to him). DO at first started to wear a silver wedding band and then he had an event to where each student received one and he spent time with each student, silently as a more formal solidification of what that ring represented.

It’s interesting how that “marriage” relationship was described by Jesus related to the students in the end time. And it’s also interesting how the Luciferian space alien fallen angels stimulated a facsimile event with the Moonies where they had a huge mass marriage but not to him but to other students and it was nothing like in Ti and Do’s group as they really got married in the states eyes and I imagine were sexual and perhaps some went on to propagate, a distortion of what Jesus taught as for “angels” (in the making even) there is no marriage (as we think of marriage) and no propagation of the species. However, that wasn’t saying if one was married before they made their commitment to the Next Level entirely that they were not able to “marry” their Older Member. That option exists for as long as we each have a human vehicle.

It’s simply human mammalian behaviors needing to be outgrown to literally graduate into Next Level membership.

Glynn say’s DO became “more cruel” but where was there any evidence anywhere that he was ever cruel. What was cruel about he and Ti’s sending 19 students who followed them away from the group? What was cruel about spending all their money they received from donations on us, outfitting us to live outdoors for the first 3+ years without income?

Frank described Erika in the start of this podcast as being “loving, compassionate, bright, and intuitive” and yet he paints a picture of the individual (DO) who she, in the name of Chkody loved and gave her life to, as psychotic, manipulating and controlling and having lost his objectivity that led to her and the other student’s committing suicide. That doesn’t say much about her brightness and intuition.

What’s controlling and manipulative is shown in much of these podcasts, and in this episode in particular by putting such a focus on what Frank says to paint a picture to people that DO was controlling and cruel just like what was done to paint Ti as hypocritical in episode 4. None of these involved with this project are operating with a completely informed perspective so they might want to restrain publicly expressing their negativity. Like Jesus said the way we judge others will be the way we are judged. That’s because we become believers in our own judgement, so continue to draw to us the ramifications of having that judgement and we then become forced to “act it out”, which is why there has been an exponential increase in mass shootings, etc.

To me it’s also manipulative to depict Glynn’s early in life experience in a Christian “cult” that was hardly a cult at all comparing it to the Heaven’s Gate cult when there was nothing about them that were alike except for the references to things Biblical and of Jesus. It can easily be shown that all the religions and even today’s anti-religion groups are far from their origin in the case of Christians from the cultish Jesus teachings.

It’s easy to see how Glynn’s cult experience was not evidenced to have much of the real Jesus in it, thus why it did become an example of Luciferian influenced corruption as Jesus said would happen and spoke to as their being “false Christ(ians),” not even knowing what it means to be engaged in the Christing process – coming to trick people who can be tricked into thinking they are serving the One True Kingdom of God when they don’t know Him hardly, if at all. This is on a person by person basis and even if we do recognize the many ways we’ve been tricked, we can still change and the best advise for that is to seek what’s most true at any cost to previous ideas. That can only happen if we project our asking beyond the stars to reach the highest source we can imagine and then proceeding as a seeker – busting past previous limitations of what what might look like.

I’ve written about the dozens of examples that show how Ti and Do demonstrated the same behaviors and ways and requirements of students that Jesus required to join his cult and yet I get no time to say anything about any of that.

Most of the only things they ended up using from the interviews I gave were things they could use to paint a distorted, hypothetically inaccurate negative slanted picture of the real Ti and Do and crew.

Another example of their focusing on anything that painted a negative picture of Ti and Do and their class was shown in how David (Alxody) during one of his two visits to his vehicle’s family was videoed twisting a phone cord in his fingers. Perhaps it was nervous energy as he was subject to scrutiny from his brother(s) around then, but perhaps he always had some nervous energy. We all knew he had a lot of force. The point is why spend any time on that when there are hundreds of things to focus on that could directly inform the listener to more of the truth about Ti and Do and their group.

With all this said, I do still appreciate hearing all of what they found to put together into this series and I know the pressure of being a somewhat mainstream media organizations that needs to attract advertisers and not upset certain people in high places is enormous to negotiate and of course the status quo thinking is overwhelmingly against even considering for a second that Ti and Do could have been exactly who they said they were.

 

 

No Real Comparison of Jonestown suicides with Heaven’s Gate

October 27, 2017

At the end is the link to an article that compared Jonestown to Heaven’s Gate that I show really has little to no genuine equivalent comparison other than both their groups membership physically dying by ingesting drugs under the leadership of one leader. Based on that one could equate the president of a country as a dangerous cult leader who stimulates their soldiers to give their lives which I know to many seems preposterous to compare but is it really?

On the surface these two groups can be barely compared and I don’t doubt that from a membership prospective there were some tiny likenesses but other than that there is no comparison except in the use of poison to end their vehicles lives.

To follow are  some of the many huge differences that reveal this comparison as a typical Luciferian Soul “facsimile” production of what Ti and Do were doing. And it’s interesting how some of those who initially joined with Ti and Do in 1975, from the first meeting in North Hollywood around April 21st thought that they (Ti and Do) were promoting suicide both literally and figuratively which was not the case literally then, even if one did define suicide by it’s human definition as self stimulated death of one’s body. Figuratively speaking Ti and Do’s group were more realistically ending their human lifestyle entirely where in the Jones camp humanness was not changed at all really according to the evidence. Some of what I’m saying about the fear of suicide came from Joan Culpepper (more of an infiltrator into the group than a follower as she stated). Plus there was a relative of a student who testified her fear of their committing suicide in 1975 (about three years before the Jonestown event) that was documented in the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary.” Here are some snippets of that book on this blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

So here are the key differences that are major in the Jonestown People Temples group that there was not even a shade of indicator of in the Heaven’s Gate group:

1. Children were forced to drink the poison cocktail. One can see and hear it in the video with Jones preaching to do it while people are crying. Ti and Do didn’t allow children in their group.

2. If only one person disagreed and was forced to ingest the poison cocktail the entire idea could not be compared with Heaven’s Gate group. This was evidenced in the Jonestown story by video testimony and survivors. Some people who fled that last meeting were hunted down by gunmen. People were held at gunpoint to ingest the poison according to the records. In the Heaven’s Gate group people were challenged to leave throughout and 19 of the initial 100 members in 1976 were separated from the larger group and Ti and Do said they didn’t make the “first cut” on who they thought could accomplish the task of overcoming all their humanness.

3. Murder of the congressman at the airport as they attempted to leave was also a huge indicator of how different Jonestown was from Heaven’s Gate. The records indicate that Jim Jones was stimulated to take this action to escape prosecution when he learned that some in his group had passed notes to the congressman saying that they wanted to get out.

4. The People’s temple was a human social and political group. Heaven’s Gate was not social nor political. Spirituality seemed to be mostly absent from the documentaries I watched but if it was a big part was not any different from other spiritual and/or religious groups that had political and community support before they moved to Guyana. Heaven’s Gate wasn’t religious or spiritual in that context. The only reason they are considered religious is because it is through the man made worldly religions that the records of the Next Level’s incarnate activity was passed on and because the nature of the information was about Mind – “the character of the soul” as DO once defined Mind, that he taught was synonymous with the word, “spirit”.

5. Members of the People’s Temple did not leave everything behind to join with Jones – mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, houses, etc. (as Jesus taught some of his disciples had done (i.e. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. ) and that all Ti and Do’s students were instructed to do (though there was no way to verify that any one student had done but it was talked about as having an “ace in the hole” for those that didn’t. However I read one report that indicated Ti and Do turned away at least one person who was considering joining with them. She had children and it was reported that Ti and Do said she shouldn’t follow with them at that time and that perhaps she might follow later (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary)).

Jones and his group were a human organization with human family values and human behaviors that they took with them to Guyana, including relationships among members and sexuality and punishments for non-compliance. Ti and Do’s group members did not continue human relationships with anyone back in the world nor with one another when some joined who had such a relationship. (I was one of those who joined with my former partner I had lived with for 5 years and for the first ten years had zero communication with my vehicle’s family back in New York. The only relationships Ti and Do’s student had were as fellow crew members. There was no chit chatting or gossip or shooting the breeze or having best friends or confidants or “familiarity” among certain members (though we still enjoyed one anthers camaraderie and companionship and friendship and personalities and helpfulness (within the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught that are most synopsized in the lists referred to as the “Seventeen Steps” and the “Major and Lessor Offenses” – that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book and posted on the Heavensgate.com web site and posted on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-major-and-lessor-offense-list/

6. The idea that the Jonestown people were forming a utopia on earth was totally absent with the Heaven’s Gate group. According to Ti and Do’s teachings there was no “heaven on earth” in that way, at least not during the current civilization. They did say in the future, if humans showed the Next Level that they had evolved to be civilized – like not choosing to shoot at beings from other worlds, for example then the earth could be made into a Next Level Base aka a Heavenly Body where Members of the Next Level could be seen coming and going but still would not live among humans. They talked about how there were other planets where human equivalent beings were growing in ways totally unlike in the earth’s human kingdom because humans were somewhat unique because of the presence of the Luciferian space alien fallen angels they permitted to become catalysts for the growth of souls. There could be another planet but it would only be equivalent to earth if some human equivalent to Luciferians were also present but they mostly felt there wasn’t another such earth/human equivalent planet. (Some of this can be seen talked about in the Blackhawk tapes and a little in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). For the Blackhawk tapes one can search my Youtube channel named: 3SPM for “Blackhawk” and find three posts of those audios made into videos.

With Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate group the idea from the start was that we were all going to exit the earth, always potentially with our bodies but certainly as Souls for those who qualified. I doubt there were any qualifications to join with Jim Jones (but I could be wrong about that, but if there were I’d bet they were human qualification characteristics (humanitarianism) verses Above Human characteristic qualifications), many of which are in the records that came through a number of what became religions.

7. There were no abuses in Ti and Do’s group. There were never any sexual misconduct that I witnessed and none that were reported by the hundreds of followers over the years who dropped out. There was no punishment for not living by the “procedures” (rules) except for being sent out of the group. Some were sent out of the group and a number of those returned in unusual ways as there were only two “recruitment” periods from 1975 to 1976 and from 1993 (via media) and for about 9 months face to face in meetings around the US and Canada in 1994 and then via internet media by the presence of the Heaven’s Gate web site and postings to Usenet groups that one person joined from and was among the 38 who layed down their lives.

(By the way, “recruitment” was nothing like many groups I’ve both read about and experienced, like the Moonies for instance. We never stood on corners to sell flowers or anything else with the hope of drawing people to our meetings with an offer of food and then once there those who came would learn they needed to sit through their presentation before they’d be fed. It’s sort of the model of the Salvation Army. The entire “recruitment” effort was simply putting up posters on storefronts and bulletin boards in New age centers and health food stores and on telephone poles around the town where we planned a public meeting. Sometimes we got some free press and/or radio and/or TV coverage. People would come to the meeting and listen for a short time and take some questions and then were told if anyone wanted more information to stay after in which case sometimes even some who though they might want to join us were faced with details that dissuaded them. Nothing was ever hidden and there were not carrots put before a person’s eyes, so to speak. However, one might think the idea that they were joining with true Representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven could be a carrot but Ti and Do and their Students didn’t need to have more members so had no interest in cajoling anyone.)

8. Plus the way DO and crew laid down their lives was never rehearsed as it was with the Jonestown group. In the Jonestown group they had a number of rehearsals but the members of the community weren’t told they were rehearsals according to one or more survivor reports. People drank the drink that they were told had poison in it and nothing happened to them, so that became a conditioning to the act. DO did ask on several or more occasions each member of the group if they had any reservations about taking their exit into their own hands by drinking the phenobarbital mixture. One such time was when I was still in the group in September of 1994 that included over a dozen new (or returning) members. From that person by person question one new student said they had reservations and left the group the next day. Another who was a former member named Arrody left shortly after that for the same reason I read reported. One can think that too was conditioning but if anything the conditioning was to filter out those who weren’t clearly in favor of taking the action, the same kind of filtering that had occurred by many examples over the 19 years I witnessed that can be seen in this blog post:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/

I’m not proposing that the Jonestown event as a Luciferian facsimile attempt to discredit Ti and Do’s authenticity meant that the people in the Jonestown event were necessarily casualties or their their souls and/or Spirits were not kept by the Next Level because of their willingness to sacrifice their human lives in this world. I don’t say that without evidence from DO. For instance, after watching the murder of the David Koresh group, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas I recall DO saying that he wondered if his students would stick to their convictions the way they did, though not condoning those who used violence. To me that meant that some of those could have been seen by the Next Level as doing the best they could do. The point is, even if someone is murdered or kills themselves we don’t know how that Soul or Spirit will be judged by the Next Level. That judgement starts with the way each of us believe and act while living. We judge ourselves and then when it’s all done the Next Level salvages those they deem to still have the capacity to advance towards Next Level membership in a future opportunity. Like DO said as the 3rd Type of individual who would be “saved” from the recycling, they might have never heard of Ti and Do but separated from their worldliness in their own way. Do can be seen speaking of this in his video, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled” a video that was transcribed and found on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/

Here is the article that stimulated this blog post response:

Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate were supposed to be utopias. How did it go so wrong?
When a dream becomes dystopia. By Amos Barshad
https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/26/jonestown-and-heavens-gate-were-supposed-to-be-utopias-how-did-it-go-so-wrong

 

Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

October 20, 2017

Below is the access information for the Pineapple Street Podcast Series Heaven’s Gate and followed by Sawyers comments to each episode:

Pineapple Press Podcast Series – Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate
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Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts. I am calling them both “tests” and a type of filter. Because they were tests, even though they weren’t always presented that way, if someone was “on the fence” with their full commitment, they served to face us with getting off that fence, one way or the other, leave the classroom or stay on and become stronger for doing so.

(By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them was part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions).

I’m starting from when the self stimulated exit was first brought up directly as there were times before that, when it surfaced indirectly that I’ll add later:

1) In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting, for me, as an overseer of one of the groups, was near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which is when the idea of self exiting our vehicles was first introduced. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to a very short distance away. I remember feeling exhausted and wondering why, but didn’t let that thought linger. I wasn’t conscious that I was responding negatively to what they were providing. It’s only looking back and recalling it that I remember that negative response. None the less, it was a minor negativity for me and I said nothing and I didn’t think poorly about Ti and Do or question being with them at all. It was mostly because I didn’t want to do the work of moving the tents again. So I don’t really count this as one of the tests in the list because it was small a test, yet who knows how others felt.

2) The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level – “eyes to see, ears to hear”. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point, indicated by his saying “almost without exception”:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

re: what Ti and Do always described as “body changes” is shown possible by Jesus’ example of healing and demonstrating his new body that came from the old one. Christians refer to Jesus body after he healed his body from it’s dead state as having a “glorified body.” Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke adds a key piece not found in either Matthew or Mark’s account, showing that these two “men” as Luke referred to Elias and Moses were delivering a message at least one of them understood. In other words this was when Jesus was given instructions to “lay his body down” of his own volition which could be equated with a type of suicide as he knew well the Jewish leadership hated him and had tried a number of times to stone him and were shown later to have conspired for a way to capture him and have the Romans kill him. While addressing this, here is where Jesus directly says he was going to die on his Father’s instruction and that the humans were not taking his life from him. He was laying it down as the show of the greatest love one could show another, in this case his students, the sheep given to him by his Father to shepherd?

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Continuing on with when he received that instruction while on the Transfiguration mount:

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today for some has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

3) How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

4) In about 1977, Ti and Do held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”.

TI told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

I already thought that’s what I was doing but I’d bet to some who were on the fence of being in this group it could have been a shocker.

5) The test TI said to DO felt like she “had egg on her face” because of – the planned exit via a spacecraft that didn’t happen

Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. I wasn’t privy to how that happened. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

6) Ti and Do gave us instructions to think about what we might want in the world.

Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom and compared it to being in a snake pit. The “process” instruction they’d given us from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that.

However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

7) The first of two weekend long optional visits to our human families

Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had “anxiety” about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

8) The second  optional weekend long visit to our human families

I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

9) Mrcody (known now as Mark, one of the two Heaven’s Gate webmasters) and Srfody (known now as Sara, the other Webmaster are instructed by Do through each of their students to leave the classroom until such time as they are ready to accept all the lesson steps

In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to instill the recognition that what our Older Members say is what we must rise up to recognize. Thus is was also a way of helping deflate our self confidence and instead put all our confidence in our Older Members.

It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by.

The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

10) In about 1987 DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated and asked some if they had a reservation with taking that act.

At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. A day or so later, DO then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

11) DO offers any classmember $2000.00 to leave

It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

More accusations against Sawyer’s blog, video’s, Revelations Book by Carlan aka Crlody

October 19, 2017

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Carlan’s next comment on same youtube channel as above:
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Why should anyone listen to you when the group left a lot of information behind that they very specifically asked to be disseminated? Answer, you had some dreams that you expect us to believe were contacts from the NL. No thanks, I’d rather go to the pure, undiluted source rather than listen to your PERSONAL take on what the class was about.

Why do you think that you are more qualified to talk about the lessons in the Class than Ti and Do are? Answer, according to you “we have all the information that we need”. So, to you what Do said on the tapes to the students from 1985 to 1997 is not information we need but by your actions your blog, videos and book are info we need. No thanks, I’d rather listsen to Do than to your diluted ramblings about the Next Level. Do knew what He was talking about far more than you ever will. Do made sense to me, He was coherent. Your 19 years are NOTHING compared to the wisdom of Ti and Do. You arent qualified to explain what the class was about. Why do you think They left all of that info? They didnt leave you behind. Youre here because you are afraid to follow Them out of here. But like Rio and the Kings youve had to make up a big mission for yourself that you claim is for the NL in order to justify staying here and you get enboldened by all the individuals who follow your blog and videos. Theres nothing brave about what youre doing and even though youve been conned into believing that what youre doing is for the NL youre actually doing all of this for yourself. You dont get to be the arbiter of all things Heavens Gate just because you spent more time in the class than anyone else on the planet. I hate this place. Its a corrupt cesspool that corrupts our souls every day. The class’ info is still being suppressed and distorted and no one seems to care. All you seem to care about is getting recognition for your 19 years in thd class and continuing to add to your blog and your youtube channel and marketing your book as if its some kind of addendum to the HG Book. Ill pass on your book and your videos. You cant help me get closer to the NL. Get over yourself sawyer.?

 

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Sawyer’s reply:
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I guess you can ask anyone who watches these broadcasts why they would listen to me. So you are putting words in my mouth again. I doubt anyone at all listens to me because I had dreams. I’m not talking about it because of dreams (though I admit without the first bunch, I may not have come out of my fallen condition (to the degree I had fallen)).

I encourage everyone all the time to go to the pure information from Ti and Do and Crew. But that doesn’t automatically mean I’m necessarily “diluting” the pure unless I try to reinterpret what they said or give my “feelings” of what they said and interject my opinions about what they said (without including something else they said). If I am diluting wouldn’t that be on a case by case basis? I’m not saying I never have and I’m not saying I never will and I am saying that I’m always open to hearing from anyone that can show me where I might have departed from what’s pure from Ti and Do (and from Jesus).

re: Jesus – I don’t know if you knew that Ti and Do said we could trust everything Jesus was recorded to have said in the 4 gospels. I remember reading or hearing DO on a tape talk about how some of that record has been tampered with, but he still knew that the core of his teachings were fully in tact. Ti and Do said, the Next Level worked very hard to insure that that record was not lost or changed. They spoke of that parts we could count on as the Red Letters, referring to the way some bible editions of the King James put Jesus words in red letters. (you can check this out. You might find it in the audios. But you could also ask Mark and Sarah or any others that were in the classroom in the earliest years to confirm.

I never said I was more qualified to talk about the lessons in the class than Ti and Do are. You are saying I think that. Are you claiming to be psychically reading me? The truth is that I just can’t help but talk about my experiences. Maybe I just need to do that. Let’s say it’s a big ego trip for me. I’m not saying it is, but you have said that about me so I’ve considered it. If so, that’s between me and Ti and DO. Why is what I do so wrong in your mind by your standard, whatever that is? Show me how Ti and Do would disapprove? You can’t so you just make stuff up or take tiny stabs at the way I word my blog titles and descriptions and anything that might even hint at what you have a preconceived idea exists to prove yourself right to yourself.

Because of your constant and repeated over years disdain of anything I say or do (with perhaps a few tiny exceptions) I’ve wondered at times what you think “Standing for Ti and Do” means? Did we have any examples from Ti and Do and Jesus of what taking that “Stand” means to them?

I don’t know if you have ever answered any of my questions that come about because of your comments over the last 10+ years.

All you do is repeat the same stuff that tells me what I’m thinking and saying and doing and why as if you are judge and jury and the almighty student of Ti and Do.

When I hear this I tend to think, I better speak more because I know 100% is true that the Luciferian space alien fallen angels and all the discarnates on their team (know it or not) and all the humans who become their tools to work against the truth of the Next Level, want nothing better than for those who have the direct experience to shut up or twist – dilute and distort the truth from Ti and Do (as with Jesus and with Moses, etc.) and/or turn them against the Next Level in every which way conceivable.

I should be doing more video’s and will because something good is coming from it. I’m not saying Ti and Do need me or anyone else to bring that about. I am sure about that. The task of “standing for Ti and Do” is available to all of us who remain after their exit. But the facts are that the Next Level is not done with this human kingdom. They by DO’s account know there are people who will be among the “Second Type” – those who recognize DO as from the Next Level and are attempting to separate from the world but who were not ready to exit when they did or are not today ready to exit in the way they did. And then there is the “Third type” Do spoke about as those who were separating from their humanness in their own way who may not ever hear about Ti and Do.

So even if all the things you have said about me were true, so what? Let’s say I get to be a big shot and get to be in a movie or play my flute in some big venue’s or get to go on TV shows, blah, blah, blah, if I’m not saying things Ti and Do would disapprove of, like saying the “gate is closed” which some have said directly and indirectly and more people are taking another look at Ti and Do or a first look, how can that be wrong. Even if I became equivalent to a Luciferian space alien fallen angel because of all that fame going to my head in some way, why is this such a thorn in your side that you have to keep saying the same stuff over and over and over with less and less evidence that most any it would be of any concern to Ti and Do?

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crl ody’s comment to youtube video:
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It is the King’s choice to suppress the tapes, not Ti and Do’s. Are Ti and Do going to interfere with Mark and Sarahs free will? If we have “more than enough” of their mind written then by that logic we dont need any more written about what Ti and Do were about. We dont need books from former students. We dont need blogs from former students. We dont need videos made by former students. Former students can only give limited and diluted and quite possibly incorrect info on what Ti and Do were about. Ive seen this happen time and time again. RKK always felt that he was unqualified to explain what Ti and Do were about, hence his only interest was in disseminating the info as per the Class’ final requests. No one on this planet is qualified to or sanctioned by Ti and Di to explain what They were about. We did not act on dreams we had in the Class. We did not receive our instructions from the NL in dreams. Do addresses this on one of the audio tapes. These are Sawyers videos. They are not made by Ti and Do. These are Sawyers viewpoints, not Ti and Dos.?

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Sawyers reply:
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Crl Ody and anyone who comes upon this:

-I never said nor implied it was Ti and Do’s choice to suppress the tapes.

However, I believe it was a “test” they gave to Mark and Sarah in particular, since DO gave them the CHOICE of how to handle them as evidenced in the letters. In the letter addressed to Mrc/Srf are the main 5 points that show what was left as their task to choose to do, how and when.

All the audio tapes were in the storage they are speaking of here as “items” (point #1) and “items of value” (point #2)) and it’s clear that anyone who felt inclined to disseminate their information. Note they didn’t say anywhere what the limits were to disseminating their information, nor how to do it ie. blogs, videos, audios, spoken word, books, meetings, etc. That was left up to each individual.

1) “We put into storage items that we would prefer the authorities not have access to. You can do with those items whatever feels right to you. The only exception to this is some exercise equipment which belongs to our landlord, Sam, and we suspect he will want at some point.”

2) “Pursers have included an additional document as part of this packet that further covers the disposition of our cars and this truck. So we ask that you refer to that document for details. It is our desire that any items of value that are retrievable by you be divided among those who feel inclined to disseminate our information. Any of the funds you retrieve can be used towards that end and for the living expenses of those involving themselves in this project.”

3) Referring to a CBC producer/director named Debbie Geller, who wanted them (the class) to participate in a documentary, who worked out of the New York office, they wrote,

“So, for this reason, we are recommending that they be involved to some degree in the coverage of this event, that is, if their attitude seems to remain somewhat objective and you find working with them not too difficult. Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about.”

4) “Also we want to make it clear that we’re certainly not asking you to do these tasks if, after receiving this information, circumstances make It too difficult or other options seem more appropriate for you. We want you to feel free to exercise any available options with whatever timing feels right for your own next step. No doors are closed to you.”

5) “We also asked OSC to register the Heaven’s Gate book with the Library of Congress and that if he needed any funds to accomplish this, that you would cover it out of the project funds that you have on hand.”

6) In the letter addressed to RKK where he received their “hopes” he could accomplish, i.e. the press release, updates to the web site and some people they had been in touch with):

“Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about”

Thus speaking on their behalf was part of what they hoped He and thus any who felt to participate in their “project” (that referred to after their exit) would do. It’s also interesting that there were detailed instructions on how to handle their video tape exit statements and the Beyond Human Video tape series masters, indicating their wish that they are to be distributed for the “widest coverage” but said nothing about the audio tapes in storage. (I think it wasn’t spelled out because it was meant to be a test for all involved then and thereafter)

Here is the link to my blog post that includes a bit more:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/08/08/do-and-crews-instructions-on-handling-storage-locker-content-provided-choices-and-thus-tests-for-all/

-I don’t know if Ti and Do would “interfere with Mark and Sarah’s free will. They interfered with the Luciferians free will when they wiped out the Nephilim (human hybrids translated to “giants” in Genesis chapter 6 written by Moses that Ti and Do said some of was distorted) they seeded, with the Great Noah Flood? Ti and Do indicated The Kingdom of God interfered with allowing the Luciferians to suppress what Jesus said, so we could count on the current record in the four gospels.

How can you be so sure they wouldn’t interfere with Mark and Sarah’s continued suppression of the remaining audio tapes?

At this moment in time, as far as I’m aware, since we don’t know of anyone who has claimed to have those audio tapes, I believe that as of this moment we don’t actually need any more of their Informational Mind to show them what we need to show them. As you know DO said their information wasn’t meant to become a subject of study. We need to serve them and there is plenty to do to serve them with the existing materials.

I continue to “Stand for Ti and Do” which includes the dissemination of Their “Mind”. No one on earth is my judge in that regard. Their Mind is revealed in all the documentation they left behind that I have plenty of evidence in their materials left behind for us, counts the “records” they often spoke about and I recall clearly they said was from their Kingdom that includes what they said was the “Red Letters” in the gospel record and the related parts, they and Jesus referred to in the Book of Revelations and potentially any of the records that show the same consistent teachings. In 88Update, Do even quoted Paul’s writings in 1Cor 7:29 and 1Cor 7:32-35 about celibacy and marriage while knowing that Paul’s writings brought about significant distortion and dilutions of the true information from Jesus.

-You said “Students can only give limited and diluted and quite possibly incorrect info on what Ti and Do were about”. I agree that that can happen and does happen but the key word in that statement that is not factual to Ti and Do’s teachings is saying that “students can ONLY give limited…” It seems to me that saying this shows how you have made your cause into an all or nothing way of thinking about this. Ti and Do hardly spoke in such absolutes unless they knew it, so how is it that you act like you “know it”.

As I’ve said many times, show me the errors of my ways by showing me how Ti and Do taught otherwise (to any degree) and I’ll pay attention to that piece. If you don’t provide that evidence it’s just your opinion so what makes it any better than mine? It may even be giving incorrect information to make that unfounded very general blanket accusation.

-And who are you speaking of as “we” in saying these forms of communication are not needed. Isn’t that an individuals choice to determine what they derive value from or not? And why is it that Ti and Do always wanted students to serve in the dissemination of their Next Level mind by writing and talking and even thinking – (the strains of humans could benefit from thoughts and behaviors and ways of their students, as they could also be hampered by them, though all can be made a positive of), as shown in the audio tapes we have access to.

Why are you trying to suppress the expression of the many connections of Ti and Do’s material to the “records” and what they said and did that they never recorded in the years before they started taping that those who were with them then heard and experienced?

-I agree that dreams are not a way to receive instructions or new information yet you keep repeating that as if I did say that.

Rkkody did write about the Next Level. There is the document, “what if they’re right” and the other I’m aware of was “During a brief window of time some may wish to follow us”.

Here is the later one with Rkkody interpreting what DO said. But before I provide it, maybe you can answer a question I have – who is “we” in this document? I only ask that in case it was you, NOT to criticize Rkkody. I am NOT saying I disagree with what he says here. Plus, why is it that you allowed yourself to be photographed holding Deb’s book “Closing the Gate”?:

“When Do said: “During a brief window of time, some may wish to follow us” we don’t feel
this is limited only to former class members and to the best of our knowledge He did not
assign anyone the task of announcing when that gate was closed. None of us are qualified to
determine how long this brief window exists.

When we have our Older Member with us, we are not assigned tasks by having a little voice
come into our heads saying “I think I have this task to do.” We learned very early not
to trust any thoughts that would come into our heads or listen to little voices telling us
we should do this or that. Ti and Do did not ask anyone to leave the class because They
felt an individual might have another Next Level mission outside of the classroom, however,
some were asked to separate from the class in order to work on their overcoming at a
distance.

Those who chose to leave the class, left entirely because they chose NOT to continue
serving their Older Member.

[Are we who left not serving our Older Member if we disseminate their information?]

We learned by experience that when an Older Member is present on the planet, any
communication from the Next Level is directed through Their representative. It is
considered very inappropriate to make suggestions to this Representative (Ti and Do), for
tasks we may want to do. If The Next level wanted us to do a task They would assign it
through our Older Member directly (verbally), not by mental telepathy or little voices in
our heads. We are not aware that Do assigned anyone the task of announcing when the “Brief
Window” is closed. No one can say with certainty that this “brief window” is closed.
Only an Older Member from the Next Level would be in a position to state when that gate is
closed. And we are not aware of any Older Members here now.”

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jason (crlody) comments on 3spm (sawyer’s youtube channel):

“Once we leave, then base your decisions using the criteria of the information we’ve left behind for you” DRR. “only through a REP, or information left behind by a REP, can an individual learn what it takes to become a new creature that is acceptable to enter the Kingdom of Heaven”-SMM.

“Any information that seems to come through that cant be helpful in the overcoming process might have earmarks of being separate or unnecessary information, and I don’t feel that our Father’s Kingdom sends unnecessary information. That’s what happens when questions come up that have relatively no significance, no real relationship to our overcoming. We can get into theorizing about things that might go on in the heavens that really have nothing to do with our overcoming. And we can play the game of exploring a little bit, but it opens the door to possibly listening to other voices or letting SELF come in, and/or playing the game of “what if” or guessing what it might be……We feel like it really isn’t important; it’s of no issue to your overcoming”-Do.

Hmmmm, sort of like speculating about Ceres and on and on. Fun little games but irrelevant as far as one’s overcoming. “If you can look at it in that light, and just simply be amused by it, because we’re not trying to lock in on what we’re doing with fulfillment of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation” Do.

So, when Do was here He didn’t care much about these kind of speculations but now that He’s gone the Next Level has tasked you, Sawyer, with interpreting Revelation in order to prove who Ti and Do are along with all the other speculations that you have engaged in. And I’m supposed to believe that all these things that you speculate on are part of a task for the Next Level? Your interpretations of Revelation and things that are happening on Ceres or anywhere in the heavens aren’t going to help anyone with their overcoming. And if they can’t help anyone with their overcoming then they have “no real significance”, they are “fun little games but irrelevant”. I think that sums up your self-appointed mission derived from your dreams quite well, it’s a fun little game that you’re playing Sawyer but it is irrelevant. And if it’s irrelevant I think it’s a pretty strong possibility that your mission wasn’t imparted to you by Ti and Do. And if your self-appointed task didn’t come from Ti and Do then where did it come from Sawyer??

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Sawyer’s reply:

CRL ODY and anyone who comes upon this:

I don’t know what you are trying to prove by Drrody and Smmody’s quotes. I do use as my critera the information left behind. Read and watch everything and see for yourself. It’s why I don’t post the myriad of things I come across that I can’t link in some way to things I observed and learned in the classroom which at this time includes everything Jesus said in the red letters and in his direct references to the Book of Revelations that Ti and Do also referenced parts of and never said couldn’t include all of it, though admittedly I can be off to degrees in some of what I think I understand. That’s part of what we are up against now. Millions think those scriptures mean this and that when I can see more of what they mean. The same with the many “SIGNS” in the heavens. Ti and Do introduced me to the SIGNS via paying attention to the way the Next Level delivered lessons during the solstices and equinox. In the 1990’s DO instigated our examination of preachers talking about prophecy. Srrody even started to teach himself to read Hebrew that DO instigated the option to do. What did that have to do with our “overcoming”. Everything, I say because DO instigated it. Ti and Do instigated the view of a Comet as a sign, not me, when they spoke about how comet kohoutek came to perihelion when their car broke down in St. Louis and they rented that car using one of DO’s old credit cards that resulted in their arrest later.

It was TI and DO that said their first 3 points of awakening were that they were from outer space, the Kingdom of Heaven, here to “bring updates to the bible” and to “fulfill prophecy”. They never listed all the updates to the bible. But they did assign Dncody the task of “rewriting the bible” as I understood it, though I never heard anything further about that until Dncody left.

And you will note I spent a great deal of time with the fact that the New Horizon’s spacecraft photographed Pluto with the teachings from Ti and Do that Pluto could have been a spacecraft Lab, so again not from my mind to think.

The Overcoming Classroom was not a time to spend hardly any time on prophecy or Jesus teachings or the Revelations so yes it was amusing to do. But now when there are millions who say they believe in Jesus yet refuse to look at his (The same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus) I believe is crucial to offering them that “look”. However, that’s not why I wrote a book about it. I wrote the book because I had to write the book and I don’t care that many hate me and it for doing so. I’m in good company for it, that I know. So go ahead carlan, get your beef off, shoot your arrows, join the thousands who do the same if that’s what so floats your boat. It’s your choice just like I’m making my choices. I wonder if you ever think about what Do might say today about what I’ve written? Do you ever consult with DO about what you write against me? I do think about what Do might say about the things I write to you and admit have to hold the way the influences would have me use my tongue.

Are you against people seeing more about Ti and Do because they had a sense about things Jesus said and his prophecies and the signs of the times? Some have told me that’s what brought them to looking at Ti and Do, so nothing you can say will stop me from continuing. I will stop when Ti and Do decide it’s enough and I’m no longer capable or exit this vehicle by whatever means.

My whole book is full of these kinds of observations linking things (Signs) Ti and Do and/or Jesus said a tiny bit about that I ended up seeing as interpretations of the Revelations and Jesus gospel teachings so your finding fault with my efforts is once again far astray.

But even so, at the very least you can write me off as “playing the game of exploring a little bit,” as Do indicated was okay, didn’t he. He didn’t say it was wrong to do did he? He didn’t give instruction to those who might believe and want to serve after His overcoming classroom had finished, what they could be interested in exploring, did he? He did give instructions on what the formula was and he put it into Three types with the overall formula being stated by Jwnody in ‘”Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure’: that is summed up as the overriding qualification being to “Stand for Ti and Do” until we exit.

I know what that means and it’s hardly a static sending files to people or talking on video’s or writing blogs but that time of test of each one of us is only just beginning, I assure you.

Many people can see right through your making absolute statements about what will help anyone with their overcoming. That’s evidence of the same self righteous indignation as we see throughout the religions that you never saw out of Ti or Do’s mouth yet you use it as a mockery of me.

I try to discern between those “other voices” Do might be referring to. I’ve heard a bunch. Sometimes I can be off track in that regard, I know and sure I can let SELF come in and I know well how “what if” can distract from accepting the truth and we can make up excuses for anything but doing the tasks we’ve been given to “STAND for TI and DO” is the overriding task at this time is it not.

By the way, if you are going to quote DO then I think it would be DISTORTING what he said to capitalize a word that wasn’t capitalized in the original document. I know I have “SELF”, don’t you? Who are you working for to spend all this time and energy with nothing to say but draw straws that might be construed as criticism of me with the hope for what – to get me to stop talking about Ti and Do and MY relationship with them?

To follow is the segment CRL ODY was partially quoting from Beyond Human, Session 7, which brings a better context as well as there were many instances in the classroom to be heard in the audio tapes, even on the Blackhawk tapes where DO did explore certain subjects stimulated by classmates questions and sometimes He or Ti would say it’s not important to our task. It is quite clear that the “classroom” with the Older Members has passed and now it’s in a different phase. We don’t have instructions on what to eat and what not to eat, what kind of things we find pleasure in, what kind of out of craft tasks to seek, what kind things to study or research or inquire about. But that doesn’t mean Ti and Do want us to stop our seeking of the truth through any avenues we choose.

Here’s Do’s statement:

“There’s so much that I can’t understand from where I sit, because even playing the role of teacher and a vessel with students and potentially with more students, relatively very little information is funneled through that Teacher role. Because only the information that is funneled can be helpful. Any information that seems to come through that can’t be helpful in the overcoming process might have earmarks of being separate or unnecessary information, and I don’t feel that our Father’s Kingdom sends unnecessary information. That’s what happens when questions come up that have relatively no significance, no real relationship to our overcoming. We can get into theorizing about things that might go on in the heavens that really have nothing to do with our overcoming. And we can play the game of exploring a little bit, but it opens the door to possibly listening to other voices or letting self come in, and/or playing the game of “what if” or guessing what it might be. I know that at times we, Ti and I, have guessed. When we do guess at questions that the students might ask, we try to say, “We don’t know. We’re guessing. It hasn’t been clarified to us.” And ultimately, after discussing it for a moment, we usually say, “We feel like it really isn’t important; it’s of no issue here to your overcoming.” What is shared is so limited – we know so little of that Kingdom.”

Jesus was also in the teaching role so to examine what he said to “observe” in his coming, which Ti and Do talked about as coming after they left, is part of that, though that coming was not a “teaching task” incarnate as they had. They said that in the document that was printed in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary. Here is a link to little parts of it I transcribed so you can see I didn’t make it up and am not “guessing” about it either or listening to other voices.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

I only answer you, so your voice is not left unchecked in this public square, the same as I do with all the trolls and mockers and judgemental scoffers. You are most often making “false accusations” against your neighbor (me), but I guess you don’t know any better so I’m not angry with you. You appear to hold yourself as the only former member who is righteous. You had no forgiveness for XF, nor me for the few things I have admitted not being proud of saying. (That’s not saying I think a lot of what I say is of value necessarily). Even though it’s easy to point out things Mark and Sarah and Rio have said as not from Ti and Do’s mind or the opposite, you resorted to name calling and condemnation of them when you have no right in Ti and Do’s mind to do so.

Bring specific things up to me and I’ll address them one by one. If you don’t agree then at least you’ve offered me something. These quotes from DO are welcomed but so far are hard to see as applying to now in the exact same way they applied to the classroom.

Do spoke of Armageddon. The only place that’s mentioned is in the Revelations. He spoke of how the Next Level would come back (after his exit). He spoke about the way the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens would be creating their last ditch effort to capture souls. He spoke about the most accurate meaning of rapture. He spoke about the Revelation 12 woman, but that one you may not know about and lots more so I’m following in excellent footsteps even though I am perhaps doing a poor job.

Another set of accusations against sawyer by crlody that are totally false and why:

http://www.sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2018/03/01/rkkodys-standing-for-ti-and-do-and-sawyers-reply-to-more-crlody-accusations/

Underground Cities and the Futile Race to Prepare for Forcast Planetary Recycling of the Human Civilizational “Garden”

September 8, 2017

Underground Cities and the Futile Race to Prepare for Forcast Planetary Recycling of the Human Civilizational “Garden”

There has been a great deal of evidence, though mostly underground that the US govt and other governments have been building underground cities for at least the last 40 years, before so called “global warming” and “climate change” were made into buzz words and attached to coming about because of humans.

This was forecast to take place:

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

There is also ample evidence of global cooling and global warming well before the combustion engine was developed. There is the “little ice age”. Plus there have been major hurricanes all over the planet, often called typhoons dated well before the industrial revolution.

The reasons for the underground cities seems to be initially to hide what was happening in relationship to the Space Aliens that became evident on earth in the 1940’s and 1950’s via UFO Crashes (that were initially staged by returning members of the Physical Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human, but were followed by facsimili crashes to confuse humans who would confiscate and cover up that truth. The need for underground cities was compounded in the 1960’s out of fear of nuclear war with the Soviet Union but it escalated further with one of the first near miss asteroids back in the 1990’s.

I believe one of the reasons the DEMS (Gore, etc.) began to promote the human caused climate change, because some may have actually believed it, but along with the fact that to have an energy source that wasn’t so hard to generate and store, for their underground city development meant needing to direct money to alternative power development and to boost nuclear developments that continued after 3 mile island and Chernobyl (but not in the public sectors, though there are a number of new nuke projects underway for general power).

But nuke fuel development continued all along and is used to power the many space satellites and scopes because it’s light weight fuel cells can power the electronics relatively indefinitely. But even solar and wind energy system development, though cleaner aren’t safe from what’s happening all over the earth, especially at this time and to come. For instance for those who watch the sun activity (and it’s no coincidence that there are several space telescopes that watch the sun 24/7, and the video streams are available for anyone to watch.

Just like the building of underground shelters is an obvious sign that elites in particular know what’s coming though misunderstand from whom and why, watching the sun is another obvious sign. As a matter of fact watching the sun shows lots of evidence that the solar wind from coronal mass ejections are the most significant cause of global warming and climate changes as the gamma radiation bursts have escalated and especially at this time, which heats up the air and water all over the earth when those bursts (CME and Solar Flares) are earth facing.

There is evidence accumulated over the last 20 or so years that following these bursts goes right to the core of the earth and moves the magma (rock and/or molten carbon that is throughout the western US several hundred miles beneath the surface, that also can cause tetonic plates to move, thus earthquakes and volcanic eruption activity that in the last 15 years especially has escalated a great deal and can not be logically tied to human fossil fuel burning.

However, there are humans and it’s also part of the propaganda machine to say all of these “natural” events are being driven by humans using HARPP and chem-trail weather modification experiments and fracking, etc. but then can’t explain how these kinds of events have been happening all throughout recent recorded history, though are at an all time high (though can be argued that we now have better ways to measure seismic activity, etc.)

So at this time, since many can see how the religions have all become corrupted from their original founders teachings, they gravitate to putting their “faith” in what we’re told is “science” which in many respects has become a new form of “religion” (belief system) that is believed by many no matter what is said and anyone who questions what we are told becomes a dissident and is put down and shunned as unaware and not intelligent with all their name calling while most of the media tows the various party lines – most often filled with propaganda that if one investigates finds out their “science” is often pseudo science to keep funding and to not become as libel when things go wrong with the “science”, the same as occurs with the religions as things go wrong with their organizations.

Coverups are the norm and taking advantage of every mishap goes along with the coverups and propagandizing to redirect wealth to black budgeted programs galore. Examples are how the elites profited by Katrina and Sandy which I know will happen with Harvey and now with Irma, etc.

I follow a number of Christian YouTube science geeks and love what they are observing through the NASA and other earth geological and space science department sources but see their correlation with prophecies, though accurate on one level often not contextual with their own “scriptures” they have been brainwashed to pay attention to while ignoring many others that paint a different picture entirely, so much so that many Christians have unbeknown to them become their own dreaded antichrist.

The truth is that the earth was designed and is not in any danger of drying up or blowing up, but is equip to start a recycling when the designer living Beings choose to instigate those processes, which they do gradually in their time frame which is like 1 day to them like 1000 years to humans so we get breaks in between disasters where we can ponder what happened each time, and even forget about it and not link it with anything.

However, the time in between natural and man made calamities may become much shorter as a recycling is on the docket that’s no longer just hearsay. The earth was going to be recycled this time via “fire” and that fire includes the solar wind and the increase in humans showing what they are passionate about even including hate of others. And then there are the massive fires on the more physical level resulting from drought most focused in the western states that became the new “temple” geography. And that’s not all by far. The sun can send out a burst that fries most all our electronics, though no doubt the elites are preparing for that too but are no match for the Next Level’s sun developments.

One could also pay attention to the FRB’s (fast radio bursts) detected from space in 2015 and just now in 2017. Ever since the so called Roswell crashes there has been a major effort to build satellite dishes that just exist to receive radio signals from space, another so called coincidence and clue to reality. There was a spike detected in 2015 and just this past august of 2017 days after the great American eclipse another burst followed by Hurricane Harveys devastation of Houston and surrounding areas.

And then there is the Houston Connection to those who were named Ti and Do of the Heaven’s Gate “cult” but I’ll leave that to those who seek it out. But in short, there is a great deal of evidence that they were the return of the One called The Father (Jehovah) and the One who was in the flesh vehicle named “Jesus” as He foretasted.

We all can benefit from looking at the whole picture so that we can be prepared for what is to come and help others with that preparation as people will be dying left and right from heart failure seeing all that’s happening that is so fearful because they have not opened up to seek out more of what’s most true and real about everything.

Death of our and other’s human bodies is not pleasant to deal with but it’s not the end of our “life” unless we don’t while in a body gravitate to showing the Next Level Above Human our allegiance, instead of to humans and human governments and organizations and belief or non-belief systems. We can do that by projecting our asking for help with showing that allegiance to the highest Living Being we can imagine who exist beyond the stars. This assures our request won’t be intercepted by discarnates and/or the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls.

Was Reliance on Ti (Father) and Do (Jesus) a human attachment?

November 10, 2016

question to sawyer:

don’t you have a humanly attachment to Ti and Do>? The relationship that you and the others shared with the “father” and the “jesus” were markedly human in it’s reliance and strong attachment to them. How is this above human>?

Sawyers response:

If any student did have a human attachment to Ti and Do, for instance attracted to their physical vehicle, would be an example they would have had to overcome it. Ti and Do did nothing to foster such. Another human way would be, to be “friends” or “confidants” and Ti and Do would have none of that. We were also prohibited from having either of those forms of attachment to one another. If we did, we had to overcome it. We acted towards one another as crewmembers and towards Ti and Do as an admiral and captain – strictly business, though that doesn’t mean we didn’t laugh together but not in human ways, unless a student did so in a human way that then they would find out needed to be overcome. Overcoming has to do with recognizing behavior and ways that are human including thoughts and not acting them out or allowing ourselves to entertain them in our minds. The attachment we were fostering was one of Mind – Love of their Mind – the things they said, the way the acted, their character, their choices, their ideas. We had pleasure but it needed to be a pleasure instigated by Ti and/or Do.

For instance one time we had a large property we were leasing and it had a 1/8 mile track to run on. And another time we had a volley ball court. Another time, even several we had outdoor build in swimming pools and one time an indoor build in swimming pool. Another time we had an indoor squash court. Other times tennis courts. We had a music listening option at times. We went on outings – to the zoo or to a restaurant occassionally or to the movies somewhat regularily like once every two weeks or so. We had an exercise room, and took walks for heath when we lived in more rural settings. We  had a small lake and had a little row boat people could paddle around in. We had puppies once. We had birds on several occasions. We had a christmas celebration on two of 19 years. We experimented with a tiny bit of wine one of those christmas parties. We bought gifts for the group, not for one another and had a tree even. Now with all these things we had instructions on how to use them. Sometimes just a simple instruction that we could use it and they they’d get reports about how some were using it and they’d then show us how a Next Level Member would do it. Sometimes such would be discontinued because one or two couldn’t not play in a human way. For example – volley ball – some of the males got into spikeing the ball. Ti and Do said a Next Level member wouldn’t try to make someoine miss. They would try to see how long they could keep the ball in the air between the two  sides rather than try to make someone miss. Next Level membres are not competitive at all.

It’s human to be competitive. But we wouldn’t have known what was or wasnt’ behavior in the NextLevel until they told us just like they told the children of israel not to kill and steal and covet what others have, etc. as a toddler level lesson plan. And those with Jesus would not have known the updated lesson to not even judge someone as breaking a moses law as with the prostitute caught in the ack as it says. That is the process of bringing a soul and the genetic vehicles they occupy and try to take over through the lesson steps that are actually like trimesters in a birth. If you have some examples of what you think were human attachments to Ti and Do run it by me and I’ll do my best to show what was happening.

But as said to overcome it meant to “change our mind”  constantly, and the meaning of “repentance” to take in Their Mind to replace our old misinformation mind with. When it comes from our Older Members no matter what they give us, it’s is “consuming” their Mind. They are the bread to feed our soul with. One time Do shaved his head and a few students wanted to do the same and Do apprecieated that but said that wasn’t needed to mimic – especially for that time when many of us had jobs in the world or were seen by humans when we weren’t so bold about being monks – as we were often living in neighborhoods where we would have been run out if they others there learned we were a “cult” or suspected such – which did happen a time or two, but the point was that we didnt’ need to duplicate eveything Do did in that way.

For another instance Do was primarily left handed and some wanted to try to be left handed when holding a fork, etc. In that case Do said they could try it but it wasn’t an instruction so if we didn’t do it, it wasn’t counted as something we were rebelling from doing. It’s not this way in the Next Level in their spacecrafts, or in their laboratories, inside planets and such. We are not watched all the time. These things were just for the training program as those who cling to their old ways are showing rebelliousness to adopting the new ways which means they don’t really recognize who Ti and Do are. We have not yet grown to see their Mind through their vehicle – not literally see their Mind but recognizing it having had a previous relationshiop with them for even millenium, though not all in the classroom had necessarily had the same previous relationship. (That doesn’t matter anyone as no one is held to what they were or should think they have a greater stature because of what/who they were. Do hated that bumper sticker that said jesus was the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, because that like saying he didn’t grow into more than he was before and growth is constant for those who want to grow and that continues in the Next Level.)

re: reliance:

Humans were also beign taught to form a reliance on, for instance their human father and mother – Honor them, which I believe means respect them and what they say, look up to them. Everything in the human kingdom is set up to be a stepping stone into the NextLevel behavior and ways. That’s why Jesus started talkign about God Diety, Jehovah more in terms of his being our Father – the greek word Pater or Hebrew word Abba to equate with that commandment to honor our father and our mother.

We were out growing self reliance. jesus taught that too when he said to be his disciple one had to “deny self”. Also the Lords prayer said one wanted to have the Father’s “will” for them. Jesus relied upon his Father entirely. He said he had said everything to his students his Father had given him to say. He said he layed down his life for his Father, on his Father’s instuctions he received the timing to enact when he went up the mountain with james and john and peter and they called it a transfiguration that Do said he thought was when he had “changed over” his vehicle into a next level vehicle (inside) – the metamorphosis had completed enough to where his “soul body” was viable – another topic.

Mose also taught losing self reliance that Jesus also repeated saying one must give all their heart (blood, love, emotions, passions) all their Mind (thoughts, understanding, feeling, desires) all their  soul (breath, spirit, LIFE, thirst, aspirations, inspiration, imagination) and all our strength, though when the Older Member isnt’ incarnate and we hadn’t had a genuine personal relationship wit that present Older Member the next greatest instruction was to “love one’s neighbor as themselves” and neighbor was every fellow human and love was a brotherly or sisterly love – which in so doing was pleasing the Next Level Older Members and showing we were meeting their qualifications for graduation so that we  would give our all to them when we are brought back to take over a new human vehicle prepared for us when the Older Member is incarnate again so we can have that personal relationship to give our ALL.

Beyond Human – The Last Call – Session 12

September 19, 2016

Transcript of Video Tape Series

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Beyond Human – The Last Call – Session 12   (110 Min)
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Welcome to Beyond Human.  This is our twelfth Session.  As
far as I can tell, this is our last session, but that might
change.  My feeling is that it will be the last session of this
series.  We want to get right on with the series.  We have things
to talk about that kind of round out our whole summary, our
bottom line.  I want to welcome the students who will be helping
me with this session today.  I’m going to ask that they feed me
questions, as we have prepared our little outline, hopefully in
accordance with my Older Member’s instruction.  So let’s get
right to it.  What is the first question on our list?

Student:  Did we want to say more about the generic versus the
religious terminology?

Do:       Yes, we discussed it on one of our previous sessions.  I
think the important thing here is that we realize what we now
call “religious terminology” – as far as those terms that we
associate with the Bible, with the background of the Old and New
Testaments,  the terminology used at one time, or at its origin,
or as it was given to humanity as the Next Level was present with
those individuals, it was not religious terminology – it was
generic terminology.  It’s because of the passage of time and
because of the lack of closeness of the Next Level that the
vocabulary and the terminology, the vernacular, so to speak, has
become religious terminology and tainted, less than true, less
than accurate.

I have to bring up again that the first time Ti, my Older
Member, used the phrase “Next Level,” our computers (brains)
said, “Well, you know, people aren’t going to understand
something like a reference to Next Level.  What does that mean”?
And yet, if instead of saying the “Next Level,” we say the
“heavenly kingdom,” we get into religious terminology.  We get
into a degree of spirituality that is less than real, less than
true.  So, in an attempt to get to true, objective terminology,
we use the “Next Evolutionary Level” or the “Evolutionary Level
Above Human.”  Remember, human evolutionary level, Evolutionary
Level Above Human.  This whole series is about beyond human,
synonymous with Evolutionary Level Above Human.  There is no
clearer terminology that we’re aware of than Evolutionary Level
Above Human.

I’m reminding you that the use of the term “evolutionary”
has nothing to do with Darwin and his theories or his principles.
It has to do with life, as it is discussed in science text books
and biology or zoology as “kingdom” levels and “evolutionary”
levels – animal kingdom, animal evolutionary level; human
evolutionary level, Evolutionary Level Above Human.   Whether we
like it or have trouble with it or not, depending upon our
listener or our viewer who may have difficulty with some concept
of reincarnation – and let me remind you not to apply some of the
concepts of reincarnation you have heard of – but there is a type
of reincarnation that we have told you is certainly for real.
Did not Jesus take a human vehicle (body)?  If He had pre-
existence, had He never had a vehicle before He took that human
vehicle?  Of course, He had had a vehicle before He took that
human vehicle.  Was He not a member with a Next Level vehicle in
our Father’s Kingdom before He took that human vehicle?  He
reincarnated, even though His task was worse than that, because
He had to incarnate down a kingdom level, or down an evolutionary
level, in order to take the vehicle that we call Jesus.  So, the
reason we discuss the generic as against the religious
terminology is to try to help bridge the gap.

Recently, someone who is going to join the classroom said,
“But I really have trouble with the Bible.  I have trouble with
religious concepts, with religious terminology, because in my
childhood, in my background…the history, I was so turned off by
it.”  And so with that individual we can talk in generic terms,
we can talk “Evolutionary Level Above Human.”  We can talk
everything else that we talk and it doesn’t seem to give much
problem.  But when we say things like “Father” or “Kingdom of
Heaven,” or we say “Kingdom of God,” because of being run away
from those terms, because of bad experiences, they became a
problem for that individual.  Now, that individual has to
overcome that problem.  But in the same sense, we have to
appreciate that fact, and we can even understand why someone
would be turned off by that kind of terminology.

And here is the other extreme; that is, someone who is so
into religious terminology that that’s what connects.  And they
have to overcome that, they have to rise above the religious
terminology and be willing to see the truth in the generic
terminology without any hang-up either way – just seeking a clear
understanding of how God’s program of growth and development,
both for the vehicles and for the souls, was designed.  That’s
the reason we have to address the issue for you again, because it
doesn’t matter what your prior orientation was, as far as
understanding of terms, or your background.  These are just some
of the hurdles we have to make.  So we try to kind of walk both
sides of the fence for those who came from the religious
background.  We try to help them connect by using those terms,
and yet when we do, we try to also supplement them with more
generic terms for those who had bad experiences and were turned
off by religions.  I think enough said on that topic.

What’s the next one on our list of questions?

Student:  Do we want to discuss the different routes to the
classroom or maybe the two extremes that you mentioned?

Do:       Yes, we do and I’m glad you asked that question.  What
he means by the different routes to the classroom, we’re using
“classroom” here synonymously with when individuals or souls are
in an overcoming process, when they are on their way out of the
human kingdom on their way to the Kingdom of God, or the
Evolutionary Level Above Human.  The reason we’re discussing the
extreme routes here is to give you some understanding of what
happens to a soul during its awareness of the closeness of the
Next Level.  It’s quite obvious that the Next Level has to be
very close at this time and has been since the early 70’s.  It
has certainly been extremely close to this planet, and to varying
degrees to different areas, depending upon who we’re talking
about, individuals and what presences.  But since it has been
close, people respond in a different way.  There’s an analogy
here that might be helpful.  Most of us have seen Close
Encounters of the Third Kind.  There is a scene in there (and
sometimes I wish that we had a great big picture of the shot) that
was on a helicopter where there were all these individuals that
for some, or for differing, reasons had to go to Devil’s Tower.
They were led to Devil’s Tower.  They didn’t know why, they didn’t
know what, but that’s where they had to go.  They were compelled
to go.  Now, some went intellectually – some of the scientists
went intellectually.  They were hearing beep-beeps and they had
kind of a communication with the physical reality of certain ones
outside of this Earth’s Age of the human kingdom as we know it.
So, from an intellectual, or a technical, or a pragmatic approach,
they went to Devil’s Tower because of their curiosity and their
interest in what they might find there.  Others didn’t even know
why they had to go there, but they had to go there.

The same parallel exists as souls prepare themselves for
overcoming, for this transition from the human kingdom to the
Level Above Human.  Some might hear these tapes, and the
information they hear makes sense to them.  And they might say,
“I’ve been waiting for this and I know that it’s right.”  Others
might hear merely five seconds of it and that’s all it takes, and
they say, “This is what I’ve been waiting for!”  Some might hear
the whole thing and it takes them a long time and they’re not
quite so sure.  Different degrees of preparedness, meaning
different degrees of preparedness from previous experiences.

But before we get into that, let’s talk a moment about
another extreme.  There might be someone who has left everything
behind, such as a street person, and for some reason or other he
cannot be motivated to reconstruct his place in society.  Even
though he tried, it just hasn’t worked.  He couldn’t muster up
enough motivation, and he fell into guilt because his life was
falling apart and he didn’t know what to do about it.  He didn’t
want to become a street person, he finds himself there.  We feel
that our classroom for overcoming, our classroom for this
transition, is a haven-shelter, a haven-home for street people.
But those street people who might come by that route, as we
called it, into this classroom would live exactly by the same
rules, the same training program, the same everything in
preparedness for the Next Level.  They have to do the complete
overcoming task, is what we’re getting at.  So, it doesn’t really
matter, because some of those from the streets might be more like
some of those on that helicopter in Close Encounters who didn’t
know why they were there.  It was almost subconsciously, or what
some people would call at a subconscious psychic level, of tuning
into the fact that they had to do it.  And it could be at the
subconscious level that some individuals, some souls, find
themselves at our doorstep not knowing why, and then after they
step in and learn why, it all fits.  Others might know all the
why’s, and then when they learn the particulars about it, they
end up with exactly the same difficulty, exactly the same
problems or lessons or areas of overcoming, the same degree of
overcoming necessary as those who came from a standpoint of
knowledge or information.  So here are two extreme routes: one
who might come in having nothing, and ones who come here and have
to give up everything.  What’s the difference?  They both lost
everything, they both left everything in order to enter the
transition of preparedness to move into that Kingdom Level.

When we first had this information in 1975, and gave it for
a short time for those who responded, then we referred to it as
the caterpillar-becoming-butterfly transition.  We used that
illustration and the metamorphic illustration, even though we
knew it had little pitfalls, because it made us too aware or too
focused on the physical aspect of that metamorphosis instead of
the soul.  Not that they aren’t both equally a part of it.  But
the point is the change.  It’s just like that caterpillar has to
drop caterpillar ways when it enters that chrysalis – the
chrysalis being the overcomers’ classroom.  I can’t get in that
chrysalis and get on with my change until I have dropped
everything outside that chrysalis.  I can step in that chrysalis
and still have thoughts of caterpillar activity, but I have to
abort them, abort them, abort them, until there is no caterpillar
activity.  And so the same would be true from whichever route you
approach the classroom, or the chrysalis, or the transitional
overcomers’ route from the human evolutionary level into the
Evolutionary Level Above Human, the House of the Most High God.
Whichever is your terminology, they are both accurate, they are
both real.  Did we leave anything out of that one?

Student:  No, I think that covered it very well.

Do:       Ok, you’re next.  Let’s go to the next question.

Student:  I know you touched a little bit about the street
people, but what about the addicts, the sexaholics, and the
alcoholics, etcetera?

Do:       I’m glad you brought that up because it’s the same issue.
You know, if at a subconscious level I am somehow unsatisfied
with what the world has to offer, I can’t really play all of the
human so-called ideal ways.  I can’t just be a good husband, a
good father, bring home a good wage, have a good insurance
policy, pay for my grave, pay for the trust that would take care
of everyone behind me, and “I did it all right, I even took care
of the ending, it was all covered” – if I can’t get into that and
I know that there’s something more than that because that’s where
I am, I’m ready for something more.  Maybe some souls aren’t
ready for something more, and therefore that is satisfactory.
But for those souls who know there is something more and they
don’t know what it is, and they don’t know why they are in this
time lock or this waiting period thinking, “What is it that I’m
supposed to find that I’m not finding?  I’m hunting here, I’m
hunting there….”  Who can’t understand while you’re in that agony
and that anxiety why you wouldn’t find yourself a sexaholic, an
alcoholic, into drugs, into losing respect for career, losing
respect for some of those aspects that society says you must do?
I’m not justifying participating in activity that is against the
law or would disturb others or would interfere with others, or
would make trouble for others or with the legal system in which
we live.  But I certainly can see that, I’ll be honest with you,
if I did not have this knowledge in my conscious mind and my
pursuit under way and my awareness of what I am pursuing, and my
even subconscious awareness of the value of what I am pursuing,
it would be hard for me not to be an addict of some sort, maybe
not to any hard degree or any degree that would find me ready for
a hospital.  But why not?  I mean, you need pacifiers of some
sort if you can’t connect with what it is that you’re looking
for, what it is that’s missing in your life, and that’s certainly
understandable.  Did that clarify that for you?

Student:  Yes.

Do:       Ok, anything more on that one?

Student:  No, I think that covered it.

Do:       Ok, let’s go to the next one.

Student:  Ok, do we want to talk about the symptoms of those who
are more ready for this, and possibly how, if they have more
symptoms, it is an indication that they had done a lot of
overcoming at a previous time?

Do:       Yes, and that just picks up right where we left off on
the last one, because we were talking about symptoms and degrees of
symptoms of readiness or ripeness for picking – I’m talking about
for the Next Level to pick a soul, so that when it picks that
soul, then it is ready to make that transition.  Well, in 1975,
or around that time, when the information first came out, some of
these who are in this classroom (and by the way, sitting in this
studio with us at this moment), some of them had their backpack –
that’s all they had.  They’d already left everything, they didn’t
know why, but they had a backpack and they didn’t feel like they
were just a hippie who was out on a trek of worthlessness.  They
just didn’t know why they found themselves physically within a
few miles of the area where Ti and I first surfaced with the
information that was given to us to give.  So those who found
themselves with that degree of readiness with no question in
their mind – they had not gotten into family, they did not have
children, they did not have properties they had to get rid of,
they didn’t have this, they didn’t have that.  I’m not
criticizing those who maybe had those things and rose to the
occasion, when they recognized this information, that they had to
also pursue it, but we’re discussing the degree of readiness.

Now, again I’ll have to be honest with you here.  I feel
that some indications of the degree of that readiness might be
because those same souls received so many overcoming lessons in
the previous time that a Representative was here.  We have to
just face that, talk about it openly, even though that does a
little tilt to some of our computers.  When the Next Level sent
Jesus as a Representative, don’t forget his only purpose in being
here was to what?  Spread the news of the Kingdom of Heaven.
“The Kingdom of Heaven is in our midst.”  In other words, ‘the
door is open – you listen to me, you do what I say, you can get
in.  If you don’t do it to the degree that you can get in and
stay there, then you’ll have to be born again.’ Now that doesn’t
mean necessarily that everyone in this classroom was there or had
to be born again.  But I can’t help but believe my Older Member,
as my Older Member explains to me that those souls were present
at that time with Him – knew Him – did as He taught to the best
of their ability, accomplished a great deal of their overcoming,
and therefore, when they came in at this time, they knew not to
get into this, not to get into that, and their baggage was light,
their yoke was easy, their burden was light.  They were more
prepared to move right on and get with their overcoming.

Here again, I’ve got to say this is not to put someone down
who finds that their yoke is not light and their burden is not
easy (or vice versa, whichever way it’s supposed to be), because
anyone who finds this and connects with this and knows that this
is the Truth, if they really know that it is the Truth, and the
more they know it is the Truth, the closer they probably were, if
not actually, were with Him 2000 years ago.  The more they knew
Him, the more they knew His Father through His mouth.  Because
Jesus did not want them to know Him.  He wanted them to know His
Father.  He wanted to be a vessel of His Father’s mind, and so
forth up the line to God Almighty, or the Chief of Chiefs, the
Creator of Creators.

So, back to the question at the point where the symptoms of
readiness can frequently be seen by the ease with which we can
drop things, or how much we are already in a position to jump
right into the classroom and get on with the overcoming.  Even
those who came in with a backpack and had already prepared
themselves by not getting into those things, that didn’t mean
they had an easy row to plow.  There is, as far as I know of, or
as far as Ti and I know of, there is no row to plow that is an
easy row in overcoming.  There is no one who has so much
overcoming done that they can sail through this.  They are still
actually and currently dealing with the forces that would
prohibit them from accomplishing this overcoming, and that’s a
daily thing – it’s a moment-by-moment thing – which I deal with,
which they deal with.  When you are in this environment and those
minds in opposition to our Fathers’ Kingdom surround us, then we
deal with those influences on a regular basis.  We have to win
round by round in that fight and in that struggle until we know
we can keep them at bay.  So readiness does not necessarily mean
ease is ahead.  It’s almost as if sometimes the more ready you
are, the harder the influences pounce on you.  It’s like the
influences see that you’re about to get to the point where you’re
secure, and therefore they have to add extra influences to
prohibit you from accomplishing the closeness that you want with
the Next Level as it relates, connects, with your Older Member or
your Teacher.  Did that cover our question there?

Student:  Yes, it did.

Do:       Ok, are we ready to go to the next one?  What’s the next one
on our list?

Student:  Is timing a factor in readiness for overcoming?

Do:       Ok, timing.  Timing is a factor from a couple of important
points.  Let’s go back 2000 years.  Jesus knew when He delivered
His message to His disciples that they had to respond then.  He
was there, He was a Representative, don’t forget, of the Next
Level.  He was a Representative of His Father’s Kingdom.  He took
on a human vehicle and became a “begotten” son (instead of a
“made” son, because of having a Next Level vehicle).  He was in a
human form and was a Representative sent to bring them
information of how to get from human level to Level Above Human,
so timing was important.  He was present.  Therefore, if you want
to make that transition, you have to do it during the time a lab
instructor is there to take you through it.  Therefore, as He
taught them and said to them, “Do this, do this, you follow me,
you believe in me, you do exactly as I say, and you’ll get there.
You will not know death.”  Wow, but I can’t get there and not
know death unless I continue to believe and continue to do.

So, timing is very important from the aspect of responding
when a Representative has been sent with the offering of
transition from human kingdom into the Level Above Human.  Timing
is also important from other aspects. The time that it takes me
to break the ties that bind, to get out of my humanness and get
on with my program.  That timing is very important.  Another aspect
of timing that’s important is, I can’t just say, “Well, it seems
that the Next Level sends Representatives periodically, and it
looks as if I don’t get X amount of overcoming done this time,
then there will be a time down the line.”  I’m afraid we have no
assurance of that.  We have no data on that.  We have no
knowledge of that.  I mean, if you want to gamble to that degree,
that’s like saying, “If I’m going to win a million dollars at the
Vegas table, then I’ll win it next month, not while the Vegas
table is advertising that a million dollars can be won.”  Because
when the information is there, it’s being offered, it’s being
advertised to an extent.  That’s what these tapes are doing.
They’re letting you know the information is available.  The door
is open.  So, I have to respond while the door is open if I
expect to move through the door, even get a toe in the door – or
even start in that direction – or maybe even get through the door
and get it slammed, if I get enough overcoming done.  I certainly
can’t take the frame of mind that this is something that I can do
at a later time, or that I can count on a Rep being here at another
time.  So, timing is important when a Representative is present.
The timing is important on “When I recognize this Truth, I need
to get rid of the shackles that bind me, get rid of those things
that are inhibiting me from getting into the classroom and
getting on with this program if it is for me.”  And that’s not
for us to say, that’s for you to say.  But if that is what you
are saying, then we must remind you that timing is significant
and that you need to act quickly.  Did that cover that topic?

Student:  Well, when there’s no member of the Next Level present
on the garden, is it more appropriate for them to be
humanitarians?

Do:       That’s an interesting question.  I would say that when there
is no Representative present that it is a justifiable position
for being the best human you know how to be.  Now, if a soul is
present during the time that a Representative is not present, a
soul who knew a Representative at a previous time, that soul
still might make increased efforts at overcoming and thereby
relate less and less to human responsibility and more and more in
an attempt to become a servant.  And the humans would say,
“What’s that person doing?  He’s copping out, he’s becoming a
hermit, he’s dropping his responsibility to society.”  So, if
that soul knew that much knowledge and it is present at that
time, he might take that route.  It is not our place to judge him
or condemn him, because we do not know what position he might
find himself in or what his previous experience was.  But if he
was not that close, then probably the best thing that he can do
is become charitable-minded, humanitarian, do the best that he
can to make a significant contribution to society, whether it’s
in medicine, or science, or whatever it might be to try to better
things, to clean up the environment, things that would take
better care of the garden and try to stimulate people more toward
better conduct than certainly negative or destructive conduct
that makes the world a more difficult place for other people.
Did that answer that question?

Student:  Yes.

Do:       Where are we on our next question?

Student:  We certainly touched on this, but is the message that
we have the same message that Jesus brought?

Do:       Well, we have to directly address that question.  Yes,
I think we probably said that before, but we need to say it again.
It’s the same message exactly.  Don’t forget, what we asked just
a moment ago was “What was Jesus’ purpose while He was here?”  He
sent His disciples out and He told them, ‘The Kingdom of God is
at hand, the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.  It is at hand through
me.  You do this through me, you believe in me, you do as I say,
you can get there.’  Now, this wasn’t because Jesus was saying,
‘I’m a big boy, I’m a big shot, I’m Mr. God!’  He was saying, ‘I
have been commissioned to act as midwife to you.  I’m no big shot
in the eyes of my Heavenly Father.  I’m no big shot in the
Heavenly Kingdom.  It is my task to be here, to minister to you.
And if I can minister to you, then you can make it there.’  But
He still had to be the object of their focus.  He was the vessel
for the information on how to make the transition from the human
kingdom into the Level Above Human.  Therefore, we have to listen
to the vessel when the vessel is present.  We can’t ignore the
vessel, just take the information and run and say, “I can do it
on my own.”  It doesn’t work.

There’s another thing that enters here.  That information,
as it comes, changes daily.  This vessel is not giving you
information that it got from its Older Member when its Older
Member was in a human vehicle.  This vessel is giving you
information that it receives day by day, hour by hour, minute by
minute, second by second, from its Older Member.  That
information is not like some super-duper, holy-holy,
sanctimonious information.  It is practical application of how I
overcome my binds, my shackles, my addictions, my improper
behavior, my improper conduct that was ok in the human kingdom
because it was transition from animal kingdom, but which is not
ok if I expect to ever get in my Father’s House without running
him out the back door.  It’s simply a practical lab-instructor-
type relationship with the students in trying to help their souls
clean up their act, get rid of their humanism, adopt the ways.
Actually, they’re not just getting rid of humanism, they’re not
just breaking the binds to the human kingdom, they are adopting
ways of the Next Level.  They are taking on ties with the Next
Level.  They are taking on habits of the Next Level.  They have a
different structure, they have a different format than human ties
would or human habits.  They are trying to graft to the Next
Level.  They’re trying to graft so that when they get into that
Kingdom, they fit.  It can work.  Even though they’re tiny little
children in that Kingdom Level, it’s ok.  They might wet their
diaper, they might make little boo-boos, but it’s permissible,
they can handle it, it’s tolerable.  It’s not going to be so
difficult that those whom they work with can’t handle it.  It’s
like getting into a team, it’s like getting into a crew, whether
it’s a crew aboard a spacecraft, or a crew on a project to
prepare a garden for its next civilization.  But how can the crew
function if members of that crew still have to, “Well I’ve got to
have so and so to consume because I don’t like what’s offered
here,” or “I’ve got to have some time by myself, I’ve got to go
sit and meditate a little bit”?  If it requires all that
attention, then that individual can’t really be a crew member,
can’t be a spoke in the wheel, can’t be just an active tool of
the captain of that task or the instructor for that task.  Where
were we?

Student:  I think we covered that.  Our message is the same as
the message Jesus brought.

Do:       Ok, what’s next on our list?

Student:  Do you want to discuss the name of Jesus, Yeshua?

Do:       Ok, this is an interesting little thing to talk about.  The
name of Jesus.  Don’t forget that when Jesus was present He said,
“Do this in my name.”  Now, that had a couple of different
meanings.  One was:  “You can blame me for it.  Whatever it is
they’re going to do –  whatever problem they’re going to give
you, go ahead and blame me for it.”  In other words, He knew that
His task was going to end with the masses requiring His life and
stringing Him up in one way or another.  And He said, “You know,
that’s part of the M.O. of my task, so I’ll take the blame.  You
know you can say, ‘He told me to do it.’  So do it in my name.”
Another thing is, if you look to Him and if you’re calling His
name all the time in your head, and in your thoughts asking for
help, then He can respond, His Father can respond.  His Father
wanted you to call the name of His son.  His Father put His son
in the position so you could call His name and that you could get
closer and closer.  The more Jesus meant to those who were His
disciples and His followers, the closer they got, also the more
lessons they got, the more correction they got, the more help
they got.  But it was a point of contact, it was a point of
communication, it was a point of focus to call His name.

The name also, according to some of the linguists and some
of the historians, had some double meaning.  Some used the term
“Yeshua,” meaning present savior.  Well, Jesus, as a
Representative of the Kingdom of Heaven or the Next Level,
present with information of how to get from the human kingdom
into the Kingdom Above Human, was He not present?  And was He not
their savior?  Therefore, their “present savior”?  And therefore,
that name had significance for Him, Yeshua or present savior.

Unfortunately, that puts this vehicle on the spot right now,
too.  I happen to be, or this vessel happens to contain, and this
soul happens to contain and be the conduit for that information
that can get you from the human kingdom into the Kingdom Above
Human.  And I’m afraid that Jesus is not my name.  Jesus was the
name of that vehicle 2000 years ago, and we need to understand it
that way.  Let me help you understand something a little more.
Jesus said, ‘Don’t forget that if someone says to you in the Age
to come (He meant the end of the Age) that He is here or He is
there, or you can find Him on this mountain (or wherever it was),
don’t believe it.’  Jesus knew that He would not come appearing
as Jesus or in the same body that He was in then.  Don’t
misunderstand me and say that that’s what I’m saying I am.  And
you’ll understand that in a moment.  He said, ‘Don’t believe it.’
For someone to say that that’s who they are doesn’t make sense;
it isn’t right for a couple of reasons.  One is that Jesus, or
the soul that was in the vehicle that was named Jesus, that soul
certainly had grown to the point of not wanting identity any
longer.  He wanted to draw attention to His Kingdom, to His
Father, even though His Father had said, “The part of the formula
that I give you is that they must look to you, they must call
your name.”  But here, understand something else.  What was the
name of that soul?  Was it the name of that soul…was that
Jesus?  No, that soul had a name before it entered the vehicle
that was named Jesus.  You don’t know that name.  I don’t know
that name.  I’m not supposed to know that name.  I think I
certainly knew it before I came into this lifetime, just as my
Older Member certainly knew it, but it is not to be brought in.
It is secret.  Don’t forget, when Jesus left them and was telling
them how to pray after His departure, it was to the group, to the
ones who were close to Him.  It was Our Father (OUR Father), who
art in Heaven (“which” was “who,” art in the Next Level now
having left this place), Hallowed be thy Name (kept holy, thy
Name kept holy).  Humans are not to know the names of individuals
in the Next Level or in the Kingdom of Heaven, or Kingdom of God.
You know these Biblical scholars who dig and dig and dig, and
they finally get smart and they come up with “Ya-hah-way” or
“Yahweh” or this or that, all these different names, “Jehovah”
the this and “Jehovah” the that.  They’re forgetting the first
rules regarding the names of those individuals from the Next
Level who related to the humans (which they did in the early days
of migration from Egypt and into Israel).  All that time they
were physically there in Next Level vehicles, they had titles,
and those titles then became names, and their names were not to
be known or pronounceable.  If humans lucked out somehow or other
by their Biblical scholarship, so to speak, and came across and
discovered what the name might have been of that member of the
Next Level that was present at that time, then I’m sure that the
Next Level would change the name of that soul, because humans are
not to call the names.  They can call the titles, they can call
the stations, they can make reference in their prayers to those
whom they have known while they were present on Earth.  Certainly,
it is appropriate for humans to do the best that they can as they
seek to relate to that Kingdom.  ‘The best that they can’ is to
pray to God, to pray to Jesus – what else can they do?  That’s
the best that they can do, and it serves the purpose.  You know
it’s not really what name you use at the front of your prayer
that counts.  It’s what your prayer is that counts.  If you are
saying “God” or if you’re saying “Jesus,” or whatever it is that
you’re saying, if you’re saying, “I want what You want for me.  I
want to join You.  I want to overcome this world.  I want to
become as You.  I want to become as Your son.  I want to leave
everything that separates me from You.”  They could simply say
one thing, “Lead me closer to You and help me to rise to the
occasion.”  Because in the process of asking that, you can be
lead closer to Him.  Things will be put in your path that will
begin to challenge that statement that you just made.  Because if
you ask, “Lead me closer to You,” and then the one who responds
begins to give you an opportunity to drop some shackle or some
tie or some bind to the human kingdom, how are you going to
respond?  Would you say, “Oh, God, how could this have happened
to me?  God, please restore this.”  And He says, “Oh, I thought
you wanted to get closer to Me.”  And you say, “Oh, God, please
restore.”  So, He says, “Ok, I’ll send somebody who can restore.
I’m not in the business of restoring humanism, but I’ll send
somebody who will if that’s what you really want.”  So, when we
say, “I want to get closer to You,” we’ve got to take what comes
in response to that.

Where were we?

Student:  Would you say that our disciplines are the same
disciplines that Jesus taught?

Do:       I hope so.  Yes, I believe that I can say it with
confidence, because I know my Father.  I know how my Father’s
example works.  I know that when my Father tells me that I can
overcome something and tells me how to overcome it and then
continues to bring me a new clue, a new band-aid, a new remedy,
try something else, try something else – I know that if I
continue to do what is given to me that it works.  Therefore, our
discipleship is the same.  When Jesus said to his disciples, or
to those who would be his disciples, “Unless you hate your
father, your mother, your sister, your brother…”  Read that to
us, ok?  Read us that scripture.

Student:  “If any man comes to me and hate not his father, and
mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea
and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”

Do:       Ok, the popular thing to do in the Christian world is to
say, “Oh, He didn’t really mean that.  What He really meant was
if you love those things more than me….”  And I’d say that that
is an appropriate application when a Representative is not
present.  But when the transition information and discipline are
available, which it was in Jesus’ time, He had the right to say
to them, “Come and follow me.  Leave those things and come and
follow me.  Give up everything that you have of this world, get
rid of it, give it to the poor, come and follow me.  Leave
everything, and as you leave them, they will become your enemies.
Even your family will become your enemies.”  He knew it
hurt…there is no way around it.  It happens.  It’s the natural
way of transition from kingdom level to kingdom level.  The door
is the same, the knob twists the same way.  It’s got the same
hazards, it’s just as difficult today as it was then.  It’s just
as easy today as it was then.  It’s the same door, it’s the same
transition.  It is changing our behavior, it is dropping
everything that binds us to the human kingdom – dropping
everything of possessions.

You know, within this classroom, we don’t have possessions.
This classroom is, don’t forget, a transition.  This is a
chrysalis.  This is where we go through the change from the human
into that Level, so any time that we have a possession it’s
because we ask a class member who really doesn’t want any
possessions if we can use his name.  We say, “The law says that
somebody’s name has to go on the title of this or on the title of
that,” whether it would be an automobile or what it might be.
Someone who does not want to have any possessions…it seems that
we get instruction that it’s ok to put their name on that
possession.  Since the day that my Father touched my life and my
awakening began, I’ve had no possessions.  My Older Member had no
possessions.  Not one thing in our names, nothing that could be
considered ours.  We don’t want anything of ours.  That’s the
last thing we want – anything of ours.  They aren’t handing out
any titles to possessions in the Kingdom of Heaven right now that
we’re aware of.  Certainly not in our transition classroom.
There are no titles there, there is no ownership.  Actually,
there shouldn’t be any here in the human kingdom.  This kingdom
and every element on it, everything that goes into making an
automobile or a house or a company or anything else, belongs to
the Chief of Chiefs and His Kingdom, the God of Gods.  It does
not belong to humans.  Humans play a little game of copy-cat by
saying, “I want to own this, I want to stake this off, it’s
mine.”  It isn’t his, he’s just playing a game.  Now if he has
the attitude that it isn’t “mine,” he’s at least a little closer.
If he has the attitude of saying, “This is just entrusted to me
as the keeper of it, and I’ll do the best I can.”  And if the day
comes when a Representative is there with the transition
available, the day is come if you’re someone who might be capable
of connecting with this and know your Father.

If you know Jesus, you know this is Truth.  You may have an
idea that you know Jesus, but the “Jesus” that you have filled
your head with, and all the little sayings that you quote, all
the little scriptures that you quote are the safe ones.  And you
usually quote Paul, who didn’t even know Him, never even sat with
Him, never talked to Him.  You know if you’d stick to the red
letters [in a red-letter Bible], you’d be better off.  But even
among the red letters, if you’d go to the ones that are
pertinent, like the all-important ones, the bottom-line ones.
Now this is not to say to you that this is what you must do.
This is only what those must do that are ready for this, that
know it is for them.  But if you would go, know that it’s always
the same, the transition is always the same.  If I expect to want
to get into my Father’s House, into that Kingdom Level, out of
the human kingdom, I can’t do it after I die by trying to get
good in the last six months before I kick the bucket.  I can’t
overcome anything then.  My vehicle has grown so old and so tired
and so sick, the influences aren’t even around to be interested
in me to even have the things I need to get rid of.  So it’s
difficult.  Let’s go on, what’s the next question on our list?

Student:  How is the behavior within our classroom or shelter
attempting to be like the behavior in God’s House.

Do:       Well, I think we’ve talked about that, but we’ll touch on it
a moment more.  Don’t forget, I’m a lab instructor, so to speak.
Therefore, our classroom, or our chrysalis, is a lab.  And in
that lab we try to simulate what it would be in our Father’s
House.  Now, I don’t really believe there is any Gothic
architecture in our Father’s House.  I don’t believe there are
bells and robes and rituals and incense and all those things.
It’s practical.  It’s a laboratory, it’s experiments, it is
behavior that is pleasing in His sight.  It is being servants of
His in whatever task He has that we might be able to perform,
depending on our degree of readiness or overcoming, or not
interfering with what He has in mind.  So we do try in our
classroom to have a simulation or an analogy, a mockup of His
House, His Kingdom.  We try to live that, as we are here.  And
the closer we get, the environment becomes something for those
who are in the classroom that when they have to go on different
tasks outside the classroom, when they get back in, it’s like,
“Wow, I can breathe again!”  Because within the confines of
wherever our segment of classroom is, within the confines of the
environment that is our simulated laboratory of His House, where
the behavior has become what it has, it is our haven, it is our
Heaven, our simulated Heaven.  In that sense, we are beginning to
experience some of the feeling that is present in the Next Level.
And believe me, it is not righteous – you know, spiritual,
syrupy, saccharine.  It’s practical, it’s hard work, it’s
correction.  It’s learning day by day more things that I need to
correct that I haven’t yet faced, and how I can apply more
application toward overcoming those things than I applied before
new clues were given to me, so that I can stamp them out even
more.  And that’s the formula for an overcoming classroom.
That’s the formula; therefore, we feel instruction is given to us
on how to create, within our possibility, a simulation of our
Father’s House or laboratory, however you want to look at it.

The tech crew just said that it’s a couple of minutes before
the end of the hour and I’m going to ignore it and we’re just
going to go on until this session is complete within reason,
depending upon how far we go with this session.  Let’s go to our
next question.

Student:  Do we want to discuss how some might think because
you’re our teacher that you’re on a spiritual ego trip or think
you’re God?

Do:       Yes, I think we’ve discussed that a little bit, but we can
certainly touch on it a little bit more.  I don’t know what you
think that Jesus had to gain, from a human point of view, by
saying that He was sent from the Kingdom of Heaven and was the
Son of His Father and had information that flowed through Him on
how to get from here to there.  If you thought that of Him, if
you were present then and thought that of Him, you didn’t know
Him.  You didn’t know what He was all about.  I mean, what did He
have to gain?  He had to gain total ridicule.  He had to gain the
masses hating Him.  He had to gain a cross.  He had to gain nails.
He had to gain a tomb.  He had to gain every humiliation that could
be expected.  He even warned His students and His disciples that
that was ahead for them.  They had to “take up their cross and
come follow Him.”  They had to know that that same humiliation
would follow them.  He knew that the possibility of the masses
ever recognizing this would deplete the human kingdom.  And the
human kingdom, don’t forget, is a stepping stone from animal
kingdom to Our Father’s Kingdom, even though it’s a little hard
to understand.  But it’s tough.  It puts yourself in the position
where, if you happen to be the Rep, the critics then say, “Oh,
but you’re just saying that you are God.”  Well, in a sense,
you’re saying that.  We’re saying that we’re from the Kingdom of
God and it has many members.  Yes, we’re from the Kingdom of God.
Yes, we’re from the Next Level.  It has many members.  But the
truth also, as we mentioned a moment ago, is that from where I
sit, I’m a young’un because I don’t relate to any who
evolutionarily came from a later time than this soul.  My
relationship, as far as my concern for my growth and what is
ahead for me – my relationship with the Kingdom of God, my
relationship with the Next Level – goes from where I am, up.
Therefore, I’m low man on the totem pole.  Even though my task is
to relate to those souls that are coming through.  But that task
of relating to them is not such a unique task that it took a high
falootin’ officer in the Next Level in order to perform it.  Who
knows, there could be many members of that Kingdom Level in my
Father’s House who might be able to perform this.  But the task
was given not only to this soul but the vehicle that is
surrounding this soul.

Listen, as we described to you before, I and this class had
the unique, unbelievable privilege of even having my Father
accompany me in the early stages of this classroom – awaken me
and help me through the rough spots because of what the world had
become at this time.  Now, maybe it’s because I needed that help.
Maybe Jesus didn’t need that help 2000 years ago.  Maybe the
world wasn’t that complicated at that time.  I don’t know the
reasons.  I don’t care.  It doesn’t matter.  I suspect that Jesus
had even a physical relationship with His Father during the time
that He was there that didn’t reach the history books, that
didn’t reach the scriptures.  But I was still so lucky and so
privileged to have my Father come and awaken me, set this thing
up, get it going.  You know, I don’t know that you can relate to
this at all, you probably can’t.  It just means so much to me.
But I can remember in the first few weeks that I met Ti, that Ti
said, “Why do I feel that this is something that I’m to give to
you, and then I’m to go back”?  And I didn’t know what she was
talking about.  But I know now, and I’m even thankful that it was
designed that way.  Because I am the beneficiary, even of that
difficulty.  We’re all beneficiaries of difficulties.  If our
desire is to get closer, what’s the formula?  A difficulty comes
our way – a hurdle – a means of getting rid of misinformation or
getting rid of things that are still human ways of thinking, and
we can overcome that and move forward.  I forgot where we were;
where were we?

Student:  Well, I don’t know.  Do you feel like we covered the
fallacy of thinking that Jesus is God or He is the begotten Son
in what you just said?

Do:       Well, you know for those preachers, evangelists, and
religious leaders who say that Jesus is God, it’s ridiculous.  I
hate to say that, but it’s ridiculous.  A member of the Kingdom
of God?  Absolutely!  That soul was a member of the Kingdom of
God.  But to use the term “God” in references as another term for
the Top Man, the Creator of Creators, the very One who is the
King at the top of that Kingdom Level is not accurate.  Now,
whether or not the Evolutionary Level Above Human has any
evolutionary levels above it, or if only the Evolutionary Level
Above Human is pyramided, or peaks, in a sense, in the Creator,
the Chief of Chiefs, the God of Gods, God Almighty, doesn’t
really matter, but to say that Jesus was God shows ignorance.
Jesus was the Son of His Father.  He fulfilled that task.  In the
sense that it was His Father’s mind flowing through Him, and if
we want to refer to His Father as God, then it was God expressing
Himself through Him, as it came down through the pipelines
through Jesus’ Father, Jesus’ Father’s Father, and so forth from
the One who initiated that information or passed it down.
Because that is the structure of the family tree in the Next
Level, or the Kingdom of God.  What was the other part of that
one?

Student:  That Jesus was the only begotten Son.

Do:       The only begotten Son.  That’s interesting because “begotten
Son” meant that that particular Father probably had other
students or Sons and that Jesus was present in a human vehicle, a
vehicle that came from woman’s womb, therefore a begotten
vehicle, and therefore a begotten Son, begotten not made.  “Made”
meaning created or developed within the Kingdom of Heaven,
instead of from the womb of woman.  So, in that sense, the only
begotten Son.  That’s right, the only Son who was present in a
begotten flesh.  It’s not going to get you into the Kingdom of
Heaven to know that information, it’s just a little tidbit that’s
kind of interesting.  Ok, what’s next?

Student:  Did you want to mention the response that we’ve had
since we started a few weeks ago?

Do:       Yes, you know this has been surprising to us.  We’re always
surprised.  We think that when we get new information that it’s
going to mean this, it’s going to imply that, and these things
are going to follow.  And it’s always different from what we
expect.  What is particularly interesting is that as the
information came out and tapes were made and a satellite series
was begun and posters went out about that information, we thought
that the response that we would get would be from people who the
information was new to.  But the overwhelming immediate response
that we got was from ones who had dropped out of the classroom
previously.  And immediately when the information reached them by
whatever source, they were drawn to it.  When it reached them,
they said, “I’ve got to get back into that classroom.  I’ve got
to finish my overcoming if I am permitted to get back into that
classroom.  I know I have wasted time.  I know I have lost
ground.”  We’re amazed because our population has increased
almost 50 percent by returnees from those who had dropped out of
the classroom previously.  It’s interesting because from the
point of view of those organizations that would give help to
deprogram cult members, you would have thought that those who
dropped out of our classroom would have come to want something
else.  These who have been out there, they’ve been out extended
periods of time – years!  You would have thought that they
wouldn’t want any part of this any longer.  This isn’t to say
that some who dropped out do not want any part of this any
longer.  And we can understand that point of view, in defense of
where their heart is, what they desire.  But I’m afraid that it
also says something for us that we should recognize.  This is not
to praise us.  This is to recognize the reality that has been
given us to give to you, to find that those members of our class
who dropped out, they couldn’t deny this Truth.  And you know a
funny thing about it is that many of them thought they could
complete their overcoming outside the classroom, and yet as they
turned and looked in the mirror and saw what they were doing,
they recognized that they weren’t getting anywhere with that
overcoming.  Instead, they were sliding back and sliding back,
and they realized that the fact is still true that it takes a
“midwife” who has gone through it before, who has made that
transition from the human stepping stone into the Level Above
Human before, in order to take you through it.  Because, don’t
forget, the instructions come daily.  Everything changes in
practical application to your own overcoming.  So the response we
had was mainly those who were returnees, and we welcomed them.
They were embarrassed, they were ashamed for their lost time, and
we’re just thrilled that they want to complete what they started.
And they know that it was true then, they never really lost sight
of it.  And they’re excited that it is offered to them again, or
that they can complete what they started.

As I said, most of our response has been those, and our
population has increased almost 50 percent in a very short time,
in a matter of a few weeks.  We have received some who are
working toward getting in the classroom; in other words, quickly
making their preparations to join in a segment of the classroom
wherever that segment is.  And they are also a surprise to us
because, instead of being someone who is hearing this information
for the first time in a disconnected way, they are all ones who
have heard the connection either because another family member
was in the classroom, or because they had some association or
relationship with someone who was in the classroom or who was a
dropout of the classroom.  And they received enough of whatever
it was – beginning little smelling salts or something – that now
that the door opened, they said, “I’ve got to attempt that, if
that classroom will accept me; I want to attempt that.”  So,
without exception, those who are coming into our classroom at
this time are those who are returnees, and a few – several – who
have either family members, or who have had relationships of one
sort or another with those who are in the classroom, or who were
out of the classroom for a period of time.  Did that cover that
topic?

Student:  Yes.

Do:       Where are we now, what’s next?

Student:  Do you want to mention more about how many, and where
the returnees and new class members are coming from and the
variety of their ages and backgrounds?

Do:       Well, we’ll say just a word on that, thank you.  It’s
interesting to note the diversity of those who were out and are
choosing to come back.  We have one person who had been out of
the classroom for some time and has to get back in, and while
out, married this individual and they’re both in their seventies.
And that person has to get back in the classroom and the person
the individual married has to get in the classroom.  A funny
thing is that their marriage had already become one that was, not
because of their age, not a physical relationship in the way that
you would normally think, or that humans think of a marriage
circumstance.  But that’s interesting to realize that here comes
a husband/wife, they’re in their seventies, and we’ve got another
husband and wife in Northern California, we’ve got them coming
from Missouri, Texas…where am I missing?

Student:  Venezuela?

Do:       Venezuela!  And here is a soul that has been looking for
this classroom that got separated from this classroom in the mid-
70’s and has faithfully been looking for this classroom since
then.  We have met with him,  helped him understand more clearly
all over again what it was going to require of him and what he
was getting into, since it was so tough.  And he says, “I have no
choice.”  So, he’s quickly wrapping up everything in Venezuela
and he’s on his way.  Did I miss any others that you’re aware of?

Student:  Colorado?

Do:       Colorado.  So we got Missouri, Colorado, California, Texas,
Venezuela.  At present that’s where people are coming in from,
and it’s interesting that more than one are coming from those
different places.  The only one that one is coming from is
Venezuela.  It’s more than one from those other places mentioned.
Let’s go on to the next question.  Where are we?

Student:  Do we want to discuss the problem with delivering our
information to the public?

Do:       Ok, the problem is that we’re aware of the hazards.  In
other words, here we are offering this information.  Anybody can
turn on their satellite TV and see this, anybody can see a
poster, and we’re aware that the masses can see it who aren’t
ready for this and therefore, in principle or theory, we’re
opening the information to the public at large.  It also means
that, more than likely, significantly greater numbers will not be
wanting to do this than those who would want to do this.  Also,
those who do not want to do this and who do not even recognize us
as an opportunity to do this will find fault with us and will
create the same kind of circumstance that happened 2000 years
ago.  Now, we’re not saying that there’s going to be a
crucifixion.  We don’t know how it’s going to end.  We don’t know
as much as Jesus knew toward the end of His mission.  We do know
that hostility builds, particularly when the doors are open.  You
know, as long as we had a period of time where the classroom was
somewhat in isolation and protected and they were working on
their own overcoming, before we got information to, or
instruction, to bring the information public again, the forces
against us didn’t work that significantly against us.  We were
protected.  But now that we are just putting this information
right out where all of those who are brainwashed with the
misinformation from the negative forces have a chance to hear it,
too, this is going to be an opportunity for them to get their
bows and arrows out and really be after us to whatever degree
that they choose.  That’s their option.  Ok, so that’s our
problem with dealing with the public.  What’s next?

Student:  Why is it that most puritanical lifestyles are so
vehemently criticized by the religious and the seemingly
righteous?

Do:       Is it because they might know that it’s the truth
subconsciously?  I don’t know – it’s a good question.  It’s
interesting, too, that in some countries it’s such an honor for
individuals to join a religious order, to leave everything, break
all their ties, even their relationship entirely with their
family and devote themselves to their religion.  It becomes
acceptable.  But the closeness of the Next Level has been in this
nation, primarily in this nation, since 1975.  Therefore, this
nation is also the most vehement against anything that even hints
at separating from the world.  Therefore, that’s the reason
there’s such enormous criticism against cults and things that
appear to be out of the ordinary.  Stop and think about it.
Don’t forget that when Jesus was doing what He was doing that He
and His disciples were a cult from the human point of view, or
from those who did not believe that what He said was true.
That’s always the position they take.  “It’s a cult, we gotta’
save them from it.”  And if you take the point of view of the
leader in the cult, the one who still says that he is the leader
– is the Pope still not in a position of being the leader of a
cult?  Is the president of the Mormon Church not still in the
position of being the leader of a cult in that sense?  But, you
know, a funny thing happens to “cults” and their leaders as long
as they’re buying property and doing human behavior and they’re a
generation or two old.  Then they become an acceptable member of
society.  It’s when they are breaking out of society, overcoming
the world to whatever degree, that they are immediately seen as
offensive.  Offensive to whom?  To those who cannot recognize
this as the truth – by their choice, by what they have become.
Whether they are taking that point of view because they are young
and might grow into that knowledge at some time, or because it’s
just simply a result of their options over a period of time,
that’s not for us to say.  We’re not the judge of that.  What’s
next on our list of questions?

Student:  How is the Next Level the greatest equal-rights
advocate?

Do:       That’s a good question.  You know, this is a good point
because the Creator of Creators created everyone with a little
computer, a choice mechanism, that was designed with two sides: a
potential for negativity, a potential for positive; a potential
for misinformation, a potential for the truth.  And a soul at an
objective point, at its point of creation, was 50-50.  It was
empty, but it had the potential for 50-50, in the range from
which it could take its choices.  Like even that soul that was in
the Garden of Eden, the Lord made it clear that He was his Lord,
He was his God, and He said, “You do what I say, and then you’ll
go the right way.”  But He also knew that the likelihood of Adam
going astray was very possible.  I know that it hurt His feelings
when He had to step out of that garden knowing that for the
period of time that He was away from Adam and Eve that the man of
misinformation (Lucifer) would step in and say, “Oh, you don’t
have to worry about what He said, you don’t have to worry about
disobeying Him.  Go ahead and eat this and do what I tell you.
It’s for your benefit.  He’s not anything to be afraid of.”  That
was their choice.  They were created with a complete, even, fair
option of accepting goodness.  Making the choice of listening to
Him, or listening to misinformation.  Now, our Father’s Kingdom
is never the aggressor.  He doesn’t say, “This is what you must
do.”  The other side over here, they tell you what you’ve got to
do.  They impose it upon you.  That’s the way it is in the human
kingdom.  Why is it designed that way?  Our Father designed it,
even designed that aspect of it, even made all that potential for
negativity there so that if you get to His Kingdom in the
process, you will have overcome all that negativity, you will be
strong, you will have proven your loyalty to, and adoption of,
His Household – grafting to His vine.

So, equal rights…one time within our classroom, and I think
we told you this in a previous series, we had a class member who
at one time said, “Please, under no circumstances let me ever
turn from this.  Save me if I ever try to turn from this.”  Ti
and I listened to that class member, and at one time that class
member said, “I don’t want to be here.”  And so we honored what
she had asked and we held her for a short period of time.  We
tried to restrict her from leaving the classroom.  We saw it
wasn’t working.  I mean, in a very short time we saw it wasn’t
working.  She wasn’t what we would consider coming back to her
senses, so we said, “Goodness, go!  We’ll help you go.  Here is a
plane ticket.  Go where you want to go, and we’ll help you get
started with whatever it is that you’ve got to do.”  You know the
irony of that?  We did that one time and one time only; we
learned our lesson from it.  That same individual is arriving in
a segment of our classroom next week, saying, “I’ve got to be
there, I’ve got to finish what I started.  I apologize for having
ever listened to the world, for being so stubborn as to not take
correction and to not change.”  No one has a right, it is not
Next Level way to hold someone from their choices.  It is the
Next Level way to let them go, become as evil as they want to be.
Now, a Next Level member might step in and warn them, and warn
them, and warn them, but they let them go right on and do what
they choose to do.  The Next Level is the Creator of equal
rights.  No one advocates equal rights to the extent that the
Next Level does.  And our classroom tries to emanate that, tries
to be the same way with it, hoping that if this is for you, we
can help you.  We hope we can be the vessels to deliver it to you
clearly enough that you can see what it is that has been given to
us, that we’re so eager to share with you.  If it is not for you,
we say, “Fine, go your way, do what you want to do.  We might
warn you of some of the pitfalls, but they’re your choices, go
and do it.”  What’s next on our list?

Student:  Do we want to discuss the problem of money in
relationship to the newcomers?

Do:       No, but we will.  This is an awkward topic.  I have to make
reference to when Jesus said, “Go and give everything you have to
the poor and come follow me.”  And I can remember Ti saying to me
and to the classroom in early stages that, “I don’t know if Jesus
ever said it, but we knew that He probably wished that they would
take a look at the classroom and say ‘Are they not poor?  If I
can help them some, should I not help them?'”  Because as those
leave their world behind and enter the classroom, at times we
have wished we could say, “In leaving behind whatever it is that
you had, you might keep in mind that we have certain needs.”
Then we sound like we’re begging for a handout or that our
Father’s Kingdom can’t take care of His own, and our Father’s
Kingdom can take care of His own.  So, we’re left in that awkward
position, and we cannot take the position of telling them or even
reminding them or bringing it to their attention, even though
frequently they think, after getting in the classroom, “I see
that you could have used one of these, or I had one of those, I
gave it away to somebody who didn’t,” and so on.  But it’s an
awkward thing, we can’t do it.  They are not in our classroom
until they are in our classroom.  When they are not in our
classroom and they are severing their ties in order to enter our
classroom, we can’t give them instruction.  They must do what
they must do in order to separate from the world.  We must have
you understand that, because that is our position, that is the
Next Level’s position, and we certainly are not dependent upon
this world or our asking it for help in order to survive.  We
will survive according to the Next Level as we serve them and
please them.  What’s next on our list of questions?

Student:  How do these items relate to overcoming: religion?

Do:       Well, why don’t you give me the definition of religion
as what the dictionary would say religion is?

Student:  “Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power
accepted as the Creator and Governor of the Universe.”

Do:       Well, because of what so-called religions are, at times
we feel like we don’t want to associate with that term because we
want to say the Truth that we have is real.  It’s not a religion
because religions have become fantasy and illusion, and they have
adjusted all their thinking so that they don’t have to do
anything about changing.  But in that interpretation, recognizing
a supernatural power, a governor of all that is, we are certainly
then a religion.  What about church, what does the definition say
on that?

Student:  “The company of all Christians regarded as a mystic
spiritual body.”

Do:       I’m afraid that we’re that, too.  But we’re not mystic
in that sense, or spiritual in that sense, because spiritual and
mystic in this day and time have become less than true, they’ve
become tainted.  But the church says the “body of believers,” and
we feel like that’s a closer translation of what the church
should be.  But the real church is not just a body of believers,
it’s the body of doers, or even more than that, it’s the body of
overcomers, because those who believe become overcomers.  What’s
next on that list?

Student:  You asked us to bring up how a television preacher,
Gene Scott, relates to overcoming.

Do:       Ok, we’re going to talk for a moment about Gene Scott and
Pastor Arnold Murray.  Gene Scott in Los Angeles has a satellite
ministry, a cable ministry, an actual church ministry.  Pastor
Murray has a satellite ministry from a little community in
Arkansas.  Both of these individuals did a major step in
overcoming by stepping out of the mainstream denominations, and
it was hard to do.  They got criticized a lot for it, which is
the way of overcoming.  Each step of overcoming is hard to do and
you get criticized for doing it.

Let’s take Gene Scott for a moment.  Nobody that I’m aware
of on the face of the globe has worked harder or come up with
better mathematical and historical and intellectual and logical
validation of the Kingdom of Heaven, Jesus the Son, the prophetic
events, their sequence of events in disclosing the pyramid and
what they tell symbolically, the prophesy that they reveal.  I
mean it took a lot of work to do that and validate all that
information and to make it understandable and academically
acceptable, and we praise him for that work.  But the issue of
issues when it comes to Jesus and His purpose here was that of
getting from the human kingdom to the Kingdom of Heaven.  And
validation of prophesy, validation that the literature of the
Bible is real and is true, sure that’s significant, but it
doesn’t get you any marks in overcoming.  I mean, overcoming is
overcoming.  It’s the hard tasks of changing your behavior, of
dropping the ways of the world in all of its aspects.  Every tie
that binds, every behavior that is not acceptable.  That is
overcoming.

Pastor Murray is also a very astute, very aware Biblical
scholar, and if you want to watch him, watch him; you could learn
a lot.  You could learn a lot from both of these.  They’re
excellent teachers of the Bible and its history.  Pastor Murray
understands that there was an Age before this Age, and there’s
going to be an Age after this Age.  Both Scott and Murray realize
that Jesus’ birthday is not being celebrated, that it happened at
a different time.  All that’s very interesting information, but
it doesn’t get you anywhere in the process of overcoming.  And
it’s only because I love Pastor Murray and I love Gene Scott, and
my Older Member said bring them up in that tape – we’re concerned
for them and for their followers because they’ve made major
strides in the right direction.  And it’s because we care for
them that we hope they will make more major strides and be
willing while it’s still available to move very quickly in that
direction.  What’s next on that?

Student:  What about the Florida “End Timers”?

Do:       Recently in the news there’s been a lot of negative
information going out about this little group in Northern Florida
that call themselves “End Timers,” and particularly towards their
leader because he feels that Jesus is going to come at any moment
and he wants to help them be ready.  So he’s trying to help them
change to the best of his ability.  He has them involved in
certain elements of trying to change their behavior, trying to be
less worldly, and for that we congratulate them, for that we
praise them.  And we hope that they will recognize that there is
more information that can help them move much more quickly, and
much more significantly, if they’re ready for it.  We hope that
we can be good instruments to bring it to them if this is what
they are looking for; if not, it’s for those who are looking for
it.  What’s next on our list?

Student:  The ones who are looking for the Second Coming, but yet
they are not doing any active overcoming, will they ever know
Him?

Do:       Those who are looking for the Second Coming, will they
ever know Him?  That’s a loaded question.  As far as the Second
Coming, meaning when is the Next Level going to bring an open
door again for the Kingdom of Heaven, the Second Coming is here.
We’ve discussed that.  And we’ve discussed how Jesus said, ‘Don’t
look for me.  If somebody tells you they’re me, don’t believe
them.’  And yet the information, the door, is here at this time.
Whether or not they will know Him or whether or not they will
know His Father or they will know that Kingdom is simply
dependent upon whether or not they make it through the transition
from the human kingdom into His Kingdom level, or into His House.
Whether or not it’s going to be offered at another time, we don’t
know.  All we know is this time.  We’re not given the instruction
of saying, “If you don’t catch this bus, there’s one down the
road.”  We don’t know that there is.  We feel that we must
approach it as if there isn’t, that it’s garden cleaning time,
and what’s going to be done with souls that did not make it from
there to here is none of our business.  We’re not going to try to
motivate you to do this out of that kind of fear and imposing
that tribulation upon you.  Your tribulation is going to be
imposed upon yourself if you choose this way because you will
recognize that this is true and recognize that the road is tough.
What’s next on our list?

Student:  Do we want to mention again the domesticated pet
analogy and how it compares to our readiness to graduate from the
human kingdom?

Do:       We have to, there is no better analogy.  Take the analogy of
the domesticated dog who really wants to serve his master and
doesn’t want to run with the pack, wants to stay with his master,
wants to please his master, wants to be loyal to his master, and
compare that to someone who is going through the transition of
entering our Father’s Kingdom.  They have to use as a focal point
of that desire the one who stands in the position to be the
object.  That unfortunately happens to be their lab instructor,
which happens to be this one sitting here, say “Do.”

You know, at this point I have to tell you that this morning
I saw on television a minister bringing up adultery.  This fellow
from Memphis, I don’t remember his name, was talking about
adultery.  When you are in line for getting into our Father’s
House, then if you sleep with anybody else to any degree, you are
committing adultery in respect of our Father’s House.  That’s the
reason that the analogy in Revelations and elsewhere for the
relationship to one’s Heavenly Father is of marriage, it’s a bond
that you’re making.  Now don’t misunderstand that.  This lab
instructor, this object of that, has no interest in your
plumbing, no interest in your sexuality.  I mean, for heaven’s
sakes, my Older Member certainly had no interest in me, would not
want that kind of humanness.  Children are not made in our
Father’s Kingdom in that way.  That vibration is definitely a
reproductive vibration of the human kingdom.  And I can honestly
say that any relationship of that nature certainly never happened
with me and my Older Member, certainly has never happened with
any of these class members and their Older Member.  And if you
can find a class member that can tell you it has happened to any
degree, to either one of these lab instructors, you’ve found the
liar you were looking for.  Because that is not a part of the
picture.  It has to be a pure relationship.  It has to be within
the confines of the behavior of our Father’s Kingdom.  So, from
our Father’s point of view, when you are as a bride in His
Kingdom, if your attention, if your affection to any degree goes
to someone else, it’s adultery.  It’s compromised.

Another show I saw this morning on satellite – it sure
sounds like I watch a lot of television! – it’s interesting how
my Older Member frequently uses these little preachers and their
lessons to give me little clues of things to pass on to you.
Here was an old gentleman that had had two wives.  I suppose that
one died and then he took another one.  And now he was old, I
think he was in his 80’s, late 70’s or 80’s, I don’t remember
which.  But now he was saying how he’s devoting his attentions
totally towards his Lord, that he doesn’t have to compromise it
anymore.  And yet it doesn’t dawn on others as they listen to him
that what about those who are not in their late 70’s or 80’s, are
they still compromising their relationship?  The commandment that
says, “Thou shalt love the Lord, thy God, with all thy heart,
with all thy mind, with all thy soul,” doesn’t leave room for an
affair.  It doesn’t leave room for promiscuity.  It doesn’t leave
room for any sexuality, any disloyalty, any affection, to any
degree to any source other than to the Next Level.  And that must
remain purely within the confines of appropriate behavior.  You
know, there’s all the difference in the world between certain
little behaviors that seem like such a subtle difference.  For
example, a kiss on the cheek, a kiss on the forehead in the right
spirit can mean a very nice thing from my Older Member to me,
because it’s done so rarely that when it’s done it’s so special.
But my Older Member wouldn’t dirty my Older Member’s mouth by
pressing that mouth against this mouth and participating in
anything that would lower my vibrations or hold this vehicle in a
way that would stimulate lower vibrations of this vehicle.  That
to the Next Level is absolutely animal, absolutely a kingdom
level beneath it.  And you might as well know it.  Whether you
can accept it or not, that’s your problem.  But in all fairness,
we must have you understand that.  You know, this little old man
that I was telling you about who had had a wife and then had
another wife, and now he was old and he could give his whole time
to his Savior, to Jesus.  It’s too late.  He can’t do any
significant overcoming.  He’s not connected with a midwife.  I
don’t mean to condemn him.  He may not be condemned.  He might be
salvaged for another time.  I’m not judging him.  I’m trying to
help you understand.  That same individual quoted some of the
very, very significant scriptures, the ones that we say are the
key bottom-liners.  For example, the one that says, “Unless
someone hate their mother, their father, the whole world, even
their own life, he cannot even be my disciple.”  And he said,
“But, Jesus didn’t mean it in that way.  He meant if they love
those things more than me.  They can love those things, but not
more than me.”  I’m afraid he’s mistaken.  That would be an
appropriate interpretation, when the Next Level has not come in
close and made a physical presence.

When the Next Level has made a physical presence, you’re on
the spot.  And that spot says, “If you know me, you don’t share,
you can’t share, I’m not going to share.  You can’t be my wife
and cheat on me.  You can’t compromise it.  I’m the only one.  I
am the focal point.  I am the object representing my Father’s
Kingdom.  You’re moving into a crew consciousness, into a force
of labor as a servant in our Father’s Kingdom that can’t be
distracted by lusts of the physical flesh or of the human flesh
or desires of the human flesh.”  That’s the whole reason for
overcoming – to have you understand that.  He also said that
you’ve got to ‘give up everything of the world, break all those
ties, give everything away to the poor, and come and follow me.’
This man on television said, “Jesus didn’t mean that; He meant,
‘Just don’t let it mean anything to you.'”  That’s not it.  Those
who are entering this classroom in this transition in order to
grow to be in our Father’s House, they have to literally and
physically leave everything behind and will not have anything
from the time they do that until they get out of here.  Whether
that departure be with vehicle or without vehicle doesn’t even
enter into the picture.  They are no longer possessors of
anything, not that they could be even if they tried to be.  But
they don’t even want to be.  They don’t even want to play those
games.  So, they leave everything behind.  Those relationships
that won’t let them do what they want to do, they have to sever
because they interfere, they get in their way.  This is the
requirement, was the requirement, and always will be the
requirement.

Now, the last little thing that you must understand.  If
this world exists beyond our departure, then there is no longer
that closeness, there is no longer a Representative.  Now, I am a
physical Representative.  These of the classroom, they are
physical representatives.  Should I leave this classroom and
return to my Father’s House, they would still be your door for
whatever time one of them was still a faithful wife, faithful in
all behavior, faithful in all belief and practice, wanting
nothing of this world, establishing nothing of this world that
could be called a church or a belief system that would be
accepted by the masses.  As long as one of them remains, your
door is open.  If that one remaining remains faithful to the full
degree.

It is our hope that this has been the Next Level speaking
through my Older Member into my brain and that I have not diluted
it, because I want you to see it as it is.  Because I feel if you
could actually see it as it is, you couldn’t deny it, even though
I know that because of what you’re addicted to – you don’t want
to be, but – you’re intoxicated, you’re drunk, you’re influenced.
You’re not sober because of the ways of the world that hold you
in that intoxication, and you have to get away from the world
enough to begin to be free of that intoxication.  But I’m even
hoping that your intoxication isn’t so bad that you can’t see
this.  And certainly all who might see this enough to recognize
that it is what they’ve been waiting for, the Next Level might
deem deserving of entering their House.  The Next Level has to
touch their life.  The Next Level has to let something happen in
their head that says, “That’s it, that’s what I’m after.  I’ve
got to get there fast.  I’ve got to go with it.”  And then it is
our task to participate in that instruction, our task in the
daily, daily, menial tasks of overcoming, the reminders, the
licking of thoughts, the licking of behavior that is human, not
Next Level behavior.  Adopting the behavior, the habits, the ways
of the Next Level.  We wish you could see it as we see it.  We
wouldn’t trade it for anything.  But we’re not trying to sell it.
I guess we are, because it means so much to us.  I feel that this
is the end of this series Beyond Human, and I hope that we’ve
been instruments of the Next Level through my Father and through
our offering to you.

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