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Pineapple Street Heavens Gate Episode 6 x-member claims DO becomes Psychotic

December 17, 2017

Here is Sawyer’s response to the Pineapple Street Media’s podcast series Heaven’s Gate – episode 6 – The Choice – featuring x-Heaven’s Gate cult member – Frank (Andody) who joined together with Erika (Chkody) who joined from the same Waldport, Oregon meeting as did Sawyer (Swyody) in 1975.

Chkody was among the 38 who laid down their human vehicles lives with DO in March of 1997 and her statement is included in the podcast from the Student Exit Videos.

My response here is not to find fault with Frank in any way shape or form as he made his choice to join and made his 17+ year choices to stay in the cult and has since continued to make choices on how to think and talk publically about TI and DO and his experience. My aim is to present the side of a believer in Ti and Do, that I am and in that sense believe I can speak for Chkody (Erika) as well.

I consider all former classmates to be family because of our joint experience but when they say things that in my opinion misrepresent TI and DO, I feel committed to speak up about it, so the side for TI and DO is provided for others to judge for themselves what to believe about them. That voice for them is infrequently heard otherwise.

However, in life for all people, different people often come away with different responses to the same circumstances and especially when it comes to beliefs even within the same organization. I learned this many years ago pertaining to this Heaven’s Gate story, when I visited with Frank in Seattle, around 2005 and we had completely different takes of at least one event we both experienced in the classroom. Now I know there are a number, even many more.

Frank says, (regarding he and Ericka’s joining with TI and DO); “When first joining I was mixed about not being together anymore but didn’t want to miss the opportunity and [they would] take it one step at a time.” He says it “didn’t sink in that it would be the end of the relationship” (with Erika).

Erika said in the Exit tape she made, that at the Waldport meeting it was “instant recognition” (of Ti and Do and/or their information) for her.

I also experienced that instant recognition. It wasn’t like I had a deja vu experience, thinking I recognized TI and/or DO. For me it was a recognition that their information spoke to me as being true which felt so different from all the other spiritual minded quests I’d read about or experimented with up until then. I knew I had to go with them and knew it meant leaving all behind and giving it my 100% of time and energy. I knew that included breaking up with my partner, now known as Sarah (Srfody), one of the Heaven’s Gate Webmasters with Mark (Mrcody), whom I had lived with for five years before then. She was from the same home town on Long Island where we met and who I fell in love with and who I sought to build my life with that included moving to the British Columbia, Canada bush/mountain country to try to homestead.

When Sarah and I left the Waldport/Newport, OR area, about the third day after the meeting in Waldport with Ti and Do, which was the time frame recommended to “get our house in order,” not having any other circumstances to require more time, (as some others had with house ownership and children even), I recall Sarah for the first time in even years wanting to snuggle and perhaps have sex. This was unusual because I had become the sole instigator of that physical part of our relationship and just a month or two before that time Sarah had started up a relationship with another man named Hobbit that followed what might have been another, possibly with a Canadian man (Aldi) who came to visit us and who she went up to visit. (I only know for sure about her open fling with Hobbit, but what was clear is that she hadn’t been happy with me for quiet some time and how she hitchhiked up to Canada without me to pursue.)

I was heartbroken by those events that did not work out for her so she wanted to get back together with me which I agreed to, having recovered from her choices but I was not angry with her for. I’m not faulting her for wanting someone else, but to then want me in that physical way for the first time in a long time, by her instigation struck me then as very odd and for the first time in our 5 year relationship I turned her down.

My point in explaining this, is that it appeared to be an indicator that she may not have had the same kind of instant recognition I had and would explain why she had a number of episodes in the classroom that showed that and led to her wanting to leave when the opportunity presented itself with Mark’s choice to no longer abide by DO’s teaching lesson step that was referred to as “I could be wrong.” That lesson step was designed to reduce our dependence in our own human mind over the Mind from our Older Members – Ti and Do. That lesson step was kin to when TI told us all that, “you need to give us your will” in around 1978. And it seems to be exactly what Jesus taught when he said to be his disciple one needed to “deny yourself” and is what would be a primary part of a disciples prayer to their Heavenly Father that requested that “your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”.

I was not mixed about breaking up with Sarah, though I won’t say it wasn’t a little awkward when I did see her, but like Frank described, we two were also separated and when we traveled were assigned to different groups.

The Host of the show then says: “It was drilled into the followers that human emotions were not allowed in the Next Level” and something about how one could not be “in love” and get to the Next Level.

That’s a huge distortion to say, as human emotions were not banned. We had no procedure that said, Thou shall have no emotions. I’d bet most members laughed every day and it would have been inappropriate to laugh at another expense or behind the back of others like is frequent in the human kingdom.

We still experienced sadness at times, like when we individually slipped from our goals, but it’s true we were taught not to linger in that sadness and use it to stimulate having an even better handle on those goals. (One goal would be to remain celibate in both body and mind). We were taught to maintain a “pleasant countenance”, a part of controlling our vehicles vibration.

If someone was “down in the mouth”, it wasn’t like they would be reprimanded by anyone but it showed they were troubled about something so their partner or the Overseeers of a department they were in, might ask them about it or write to Ti and Do about it, as it could be a sign that they aren’t happy even being here if they couldn’t override it.

Another time for some sadness was when TI and DO pushed us to be more “thirsty” for next steps. There was never any yelling or raising of voices or threats of any kind, nor punishment, like happens all the time in the human kingdom to keep people in line, to keep their jobs, etc.

On a rare occasion we learned they were displeased with us. The times I’m thinking of just so happened to take place when we were living in Austin and DO delivered the news in one of those cases. Ti had instigated choral singing of Christmas carols, that she did not participate in, as she said she wanted us to learn to look to DO for direction. (DO never sang with us, more than a few notes to demonstrate how to sing a certain phrase). Mllody played piano. We sang for TI after we’d practiced some and some in the class designed new lyrics to the song, The Twelve Days of Christmas. We gave TI a little concert. A very short time later, DO held a meeting without TI present and said something about our lyrics disturbed TI. Those lyrics were “ten years a waiting…” (meant to imply waiting for the pickup). The students who wrote those lyrics that we practiced separately, I believe were drawing from knowing that TI and DO hating being here because the vibration had become so distorted. TI even thought parts of the plant kingdom showed that lower vibration. The example I can recall was how TI thought the oak trees she saw growing in Texas weren’t designed to grow all crooked and twisted up like they are. They wanted the task to be over, so they could go back to resume the life style and physical vehicles and positions they had before coming to earth to do this task.

TI considered being in the human kingdom like being in a snake pit and I didn’t see it that way, even a little until after I left and I realized that to us, it’s normal for there to be all kinds of sneakiness, deceit, back biting, back stabbing, profiteering to another detriment, manipulations, predatory behaviors, legalized robbery and murder, sold as collateral damage to anybody who is in the wrong place at the wrong time because their leaders stand in the way of certain agendas, Examples as of late are found in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, etc where people are killed or die because of.

But what DO helped us see was how He was with his Older Member and we were with our Older Member so we weren’t going to have the same longing to leave. We should have been happy to stay as long as it’s our task to stay. We were not really “waiting” to exit as we had our Overcoming tasks to do and needed to be here to finish it. TI didn’t need to learn the lessons we were having.

I realized, in a sense, since originally they said we’d be picked up in “months” and “not later than 5 years”, both of which didn’t come true, it was like pushing that into TI’s face to say we were waiting. By the way, TI had said one time that the reason the “demonstration” didn’t happen as they thought it would was because the students were not ready to leave then. That would explain how Revelation 11 regarding the Two Witnesses could be translated in several ways because of the varied time frames in the prophecy in between their being “subdued” and then “separating by dying themselves” (also having several interpretations that could have worked to demonstrate fulfillment).

There was also no prohibition from enjoying a food or a sunset or mountain view or the colors and aromas of flowers, etc, though Ti and Do taught that we would outgrow even those degrees of sensual stimulus.

But yes having emotion between students was taught to be suppressed and redirected to one aim, to foster that emotion with only our Heavenly Father, though TI, before she exited made it very specific that our commitment (love) was to be towards DO only. TI instigated this and it was the lesson step of making one’s “committal” to DO, which we did individually and privately in notes that would go directly to Ti and Do. They didn’t tell us what to say in our notes but we were required to express ourselves. If we couldn’t it was a sign that we weren’t in the right place being in that classroom.

As a matter of fact, I think it safe to say that everything Ti and Do taught, said and did had the potential of “testing” our commitment if we made one. That’s the nature of being a student in a cult – there are no tail feathers on the teachers – no degrees in Theology or affiliation with the rich and famous or to huge mega million dollar organizations that all tend to give us a sense of credibility, whether we see it or not.

So it’s true that one can not graduate into the Next Level when married (committed and “in love” with another human). Jesus taught this when he said:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection ((rising, Standing up again, graduation)) they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Marriage was the form of making that committal, TI said, was started by the Next Level, to bring some structure to whom one propagated with. It became known as adultery when people broke the various procedures that governed such commitments and relationships. Jesus said Moses gave in to his students to allow them to divorce. Moses and Jesus taught that the aim was for students to give all their heart, all their mind, all their soul and all their strength to God, but when a Representative from God’s kingdom wasn’t physically present in a human vehicle with us then the way we would show our love for God was to demonstrate it by loving our neighbors as ourselves. In other words we were to see all humans we lived among as our neighbors. It’s not a theoretical “love” and nor was it meant as a sexual love, but a friendly love.

So as long as one was abiding by the teachings of the Next Level in that regard as best they could, getting up whenever they fall short of that, they were still growing closer to becoming members of the Next Level. All the plants in the “garden” don’t grow at the same rate and have bursts of growth at the same times and to the same degrees. So the lesson steps, though everyone can apply them, are given in stages so no one has more on their plate than they can handle, that is if they look to the Next Level for help.

The Next Level determines which souls or spirits still have the capacity to advance closer to graduation and “saves” them for a future opportunity, though they turn up the heat for each of us to make our choices of whom to serve, like Jesus said between making our master, God (The One true kingdom of God in whatever terms, secular or religious) OR Mammon (human mammalian forms of treasure and wealth)

TI and DO said that the Next Level still loves Lucifer and that they have given him and his associates who fell many opportunities to get back on track, even though the more one goes against the Next Level’s present Representatives teachings the harder it gets to change, so that one subtly loses whatever degree of recognition they once had. Thus the lessons need to get harder for that soul to be stimulated to change.

Frank then talks about how: “my thoughts at times were filled with doubts and questioning everything…”, which he indicated was part of what compounded with the “suppression of feelings” that resulted in the development of a deeper voice and a stutter in his speech.

I do wonder where Frank got the understanding that DO’s mimic of his suddenly deeper voice was expressing a masculine voice. I don’t recall if DO spoke about it at that meeting but I doubt he did, though not saying it’s not possible. The way Frank says it in the broadcast was, “…he was conveying to me that I was expressing a masculine voice.” Whatever DO said or didn’t say, Frank said he felt “humiliated – ashamed for expressing my masculinity” and said he had a “deep seated anger of who is he to express how I should speak”.

I guess by that point it shows that just being a body in the classroom didn’t necessarily mean much when one’s mind was far apart, so in this way DO’s response of repeating a low sounding voice, that Frank sees as mimicking, and may be an accurate depiction became a test to get him “off the fence,” he had apparently been on, or he wouldn’t have built up a “deep seated anger” towards DO as he reported.

Why was Frank angry? I don’t know if he gave reasons why he was angry. In terms of his reporting his response to DO’s “mimic” of thinking, “who is he [DO] to express how he [Frank] should speak,” DO was the individual he chose to leave all behind to follow, at that point for over 10 years. As far as I could tell, Frank was as committed to Ti and Do’s process as anyone else but what was going on in his head or that he might have talked about with him partners and/or TI and DO was not known to me.

But at that point of the mimic, it seems Frank didn’t see DO as his teacher or he wouldn’t have had “deep seated anger” because he would have been keeping things surfaced.

I was given a number of personal lessons and in none of them was I embarrassed. All the students got lessons in group and personally. Had I been Frank’s partner then and say he starting talking in a much lower than usual voice, I probably would have felt obligated to mention it to him, bring it up to him to examine it, and perhaps I would have written a note to DO about it since it was my partner and partners were instructed to ask one another for their observations and help to see their ways that were not the ways taught to us from TI and DO.

There was no procedure on how to speak and what tone our voice would have but this was certainly not normal for Frank so it was in itself a “red flag” that something was wrong. Now to clarify, if a partner knew their partner had been working with DO on any behavior or way, the partner wouldn’t try to step in. I never said anything to Frank about his low voice and/or stutter and I doubt anyone else would have either as it was then between him and DO. At the time I didn’t even think about it at all really. It was strange but I didn’t have a judgement about it. That wasn’t my business – we were all taught to keep our eyes on our own behavior and ways, unless something came about that we had to pay attention to.

Frank says, “I was not allowed to be me… not safe to express who I am…” and that was true because who “me” was needed to shift from the old “me” to the new “me”, from the caterpillar “me” to the butterfly “me”. It was getting rid of a human form of individuality.

Ti and Do taught that no humans are really individuals because we don’t know how we become the product of the discarnate influences that attach to us. They taught that who we really are is the “chooser” of what to think, say and do, which decided which discarnates we accept and which we reject. And there is nothing wrong with that. It’s a beautiful design of the human kingdom but was never meant to be satisfying, hence why we go through stages of “seeking” what more there might be, though that may only surface in our conscious as dissatisfaction with who we are, what we are doing.

If by “suppression of feelings” Frank is referring to not being allowed to play out his feelings for Erika, yes that was part of the program. And yes I agree that according to Ti and Do, not changing our human feelings to feelings for TI and DO’s Mind, instructions, procedures, behaviors and ways in the Next Level Program for us, could have negative mental and/or physical consequences, as DO talked about in relationship to Terrie’s physical ailments, from the suffering in relationship to her dealing with her mother’s absence from her life, which DO indicated could have been largely subconscious because of her root system to TI, her vehicle’s mother.

Additional suppression of feelings we all had to impose upon ourselves to be in the program 100% was by blocking out the past and thus suppressing feelings for our human family, friends, career, goals, forms of entertainment, desires that even include doing what one wants to do when one wants to do it. Rkkody exemplified this last point. He left the class no less than three times and was able to stay in touch so returned each time until he laid down his life in 1998. It became known among class members in a light hearted way, since DO knew Rkkody both recognized his Older Member and I know, loved him, that he felt confined at times and just wanted to be able to “go out and get a pizza when he wanted to”. DO, I believe brought specific example at a meeting when Rkkody had returned.

But this suppression of the expression of human feelings for things that used to be in our lives, didn’t have to be a negative just like not giving into sensuality, though perhaps somewhat unhealthy to a human’s normal health, if it was purely voluntary and dealt with, as such feelings surfaced, wouldn’t become a negative in that program. For instance, when I joined I knew I was going to have to cease playing musical instruments. I was part of a 4 piece band who had gigs in and around Newport, Oregon. I left them and sold my instruments. (By the way I don’t recall TI or DO or any of their literature spelling that out. I just knew it. But on that subject, I used to have dreams that I was trying to play the flute and couldn’t get the notes out, like I didn’t have the wind. For the first month after joining I had a flute with me that I brought to try to sell on the road. I didn’t feel to play it and I knew I was starting a new life and such things would no longer be in it. I sold it and used the money to buy a broken down car that lasted maybe a week.

But had I longed to play music, I imagine if I didn’t block out those feelings and shift my attention to the activities in the classroom at that time, they could have become pent up stress that over time could get stronger and could have tempted me to want to leave because of and/or could have taken a toll on my health in some ways. So that becomes compounded, the more things like that we don’t block out of our consciousness.

Frank said when he left the cult he was “elated”. In a sense I was also when I left, noting that I enjoyed doing simple things for myself, like choosing what I wanted to eat.

The way TI and DO would explain that, was that once we leave the class, we were “going with our discarnate influences” re-attracting the influences we had been keeping at bay by not giving into doing the things that the influences sought to attach to us to do through our vehicle; i.e. playing an instrument, fixing a meal of our choice, playing a sport, having a relationship, having sex, pursuing a career, etc.

Thus leaving the class eliminated that conflict which the vehicle then felt elated by. However, according to Jesus (just like what Ti and Do taught in different terms) we then attract “7 other demons that are worse than what we had to deal with before.” I can’t say I can count 7 discarnates that sought to attach to me after I left, but I can recognize characteristics of thinking I have to deal with now that I never had to deal with before and during the classroom time. For instance of late I’ve seen myself judging what others do and how others physically look to me. In the past I would have recognized differences in people’s appearance but now I’ve got an opinion about it that sort of defines the “book by it’s cover” which to me is a demon. However, I do still retain Ti and Do’s teachings so when I hear those thoughts I treat them as demons and shoe them away. Ti and Do taught that we are not responsible for the thoughts that occur to us, but we are responsabile for the thoughts we allow to linger in our consciousness.

In a comment Frank made on the Episode 5 facebook page, he said something about not suppressing feelings while not always “acting (them) out” either, but allowing ourselves to express them as being good for us to do. I’m not saying some of that can not be advantageous. I suspect that’s the basis of “confession of sins (missed the mark)”, to get things off our chest. We had regular weekly “slippage meetings” for that purpose, yet had a bunch of procedures of what not to bring up (sexuality, not even using the word) except as a generalization of something to the affect of “I gave into sensuality” and in that case would add that we wrote a note to TI and DO explaining the details. We had instruction to not blame anyone else for our slippage and to provide a remedy with each one, so what one might say, “I entertained thoughts of the past” and my remedy was to “nip it in the bud” better next time.

But I wonder if repeating our feelings over and over could be considered by Ti and Do as an indulgence in those thoughts and thus a strengthening of them and if there are others present who are susceptible to their influence an even greater negative to say out loud.

Ti and Do taught that the thoughts and feelings we have become what we are and what we “believe” and what we get when we exit these vehicles, whether they are based in reality and what degree or not. The more we entertain these beliefs the stronger we become them. When class members entertained thoughts that doubted DO they also separated from him, from His Next Level Mind and start to lose touch more and more with recognizing who He and TI are and who they represent and from having the strength to ward off the Lower Forces misinformation attacks. This applies to all aspects of the classroom, not just to doubts. When we don’t do our homework by kicking out thoughts, behaviors and ways that are not from their mind, to include thoughts/feelings of sensuality we separate from him.

Frank expressed this was happening from the start so it’s no wonder he came to see DO in a different light than that classmates that stayed, including Chkody (Erika) and others, to the point that he began to see DO, in his words as “a little psychotic” when DO brought to his students attention, after the Branch Davidian ATF/FBI murders in 1992, his consideration of the way we might get firearms to pose a threat to authorities who might then become the instruments of our laying down our vehicles lives.

Note – Even though Jesus rebuked Peter when he struck, with a sword, one of the Jewish military (Sanhedrin guards) who came to capture Jesus by his arrangement, Jesus was against violence yet instructed his disciples to have a sword with them:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Why did they need to carry swords this time when they went out to preach about him when they didn’t have them before when he sent them out. Was he trying to pose a threat without suggesting use of the sword when he said:

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Perhaps some that they would encounter in their travels might cause some to think twice about confronting them. Jesus at their last supper together told them their task was to go out and tell the truth about what they heard and experienced from Jesus. Jesus knew that if they hated him they would hate his students too since they were of the same Mind. So Jesus led them to “laying down their human lives,” because they chose to follow him, as he was demonstrating. Jesus said that they would have to “drink from the same cup” that was literally willing to shed their blood as he was willing to do because this was part of their demonstration of their overcoming aka their Christing (metamorphic) task.

But hearing this perspective from DO, I admit was a tiny bit challenging for me to consider doing anything with a weapon, yet I knew TI nor DO would condone being violent. They considered the governments that murdered people and built weapons for that purpose as primitive savage “snakes” or “weeds”, while many in society see it at best as so called necessary evil, yet the only necessary evil as Jesus taught was in the provision of the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls that provided our choices to go against God’s laws or not. Thus that presentation became a test of each students recognition of DO and whether they chose to override doubts and negative judgements of him or not.

It’s quite possible and even probable that the entire premise of laying down our vehicles by the hand of the govt was unlikely, at least at that time during the First Wave (Classroom), though could still apply into the future as it did after Jesus left, which is indicated in Jesus’ prophecy as occurring during the 5th Seal Opening time period. We are currently in the start of the 4th Seal Opening time period, that of the Green Horse (human vehicle) (Trump) – money, wealth being in charge which followed Obama as the “black or jacinth “horse” (human vehicle) that coincided with the wall street banking crisis in 2007-8. This followed the Red Horse (G.W. Bush and administration as the Red (Ruddy) horse who brought the endless war on terror, starting in 2000 after DO fulfilled the task of the White horse when he came public starting in the 1990’s in ways that can be documented to show demonstrating the remaining 6 of 7 roars (thunders) from the Lion of the Tribe of Juda.

But at this time, it seemed more and more apparent that DO saw the modus operandi of the Luciferian Space Alien “Fallen Angels” at this time as mostly to ignore He and TI and their returning crew of “saints”. That’s what prompted him to get bolder with what we claimed in the 1994 meeting posters and presentation, even stating in the last poster what the “shedding of our vehicles may be required”.

In the Portland, Oregon meeting in early 1994, that we do have on tape, DO expressed this to some degree, considering that we might have to get even bolder to put the truth in front of more people that could also generate a response that could assist us in our exit, as it did 2000 years ago, where people thought they were killing in God’s name.

The authorities have become the unwitting instruments of the lower forces of this planet, thus they will in many cases justify their agendas – the execution of atrocities all over the planet, seeing even their murders as “collateral damage” to keep their authority and profiteering.

DO had followed the Randy Weaver story that followed Waco and the Freemen story as well and though he never supported anyone’s enacting violence against anyone, knew that potential for us to become targets existed so he sought to prepare us for that, should it happen before or after he left. So like Jesus he was following his instruction from his Older Member to even bring up the subject of firearms, taking his clue in that regard from the Waco event. That’s the way the Next Level works, using human’s choices to convert them into a Next Level positive, in this case, completing their task which always involved leaving earth without our human vehicles.

Yes, Do thought about this and the part that Ben Zeller read was written by DO but what wasn’t nor understood was how DO updated that writing and in so doing took away that entire section about taking up firearms. He first posted the initial document, entitled, “Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure” on September 25-26, 1995 and in January of 1997 updated it that even changed the title to: “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure”. Jesus was put in quotes because as they always said neither Ti nor Do were Jesus because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level (who TI said was DO) incarnated into to perform that task. (Though they always said from 1974-6 that all the Revelations prophecies would be fulfilled that included Jesus coming in the 7th and last “closeness” where they considered themselves as the 6th closeness and that that coming was not to be a “teaching one” (like the 6th was via the Two Witnesses task of delivery of new information via speaking).

Below I provide a link to my blog post that shows the full comparison of these two versions of Undercover “Jesus” where the part about obtaining a firearm was removed.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/do-reduces-the-requirements-to-leave-with-him-by-updating-undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

Plus he never manipulated anyone – there were never any locked door or fences around our campgrounds. Keys to cars were locked up every night because some would leave in the middle of the night sometimes and Ti and Do didn’t want to lose a car to them. Money was locked up for the same reason. Doors were locked to keep people from the outside from coming in. But I don’t recall phones were disconnected at night though we often had someone up all night doing a night watch task. If someone wanted to leave Ti and Do preferred they tell them and they always tried to help them with a bus or airplane ticket and sometimes with a car and/or some money as was the case with me. I was given a plane ticket and $600 in cash. They still almost always moved soon after someone would leave if Ti and Do felt they might reveal where we were, in case a private eye was looking for someone.

DO never entertained mounting any kind of attack against the government or to do any violent act against anyone ever (Their exit method was not violent. It was as gentle as one could imagine leaving one’s vehicle could be – the vehicle dying in one’s sleep).

However, further addressing that part of the Undercover…” post Ben Zeller read in Episode 6 was what came after describing – Believers in Them taking a stand, not being submissive to authorities (though not breaking any laws either) and how that could eventually lead to those authorities becoming the aggressors and seeing radicals with firearms as a threat to the public so could facilitate their exit of their vehicles.

DO was simply following his instruction from TI by outlining an option that the Next Level would find an acceptable way to both show our commitment to the Next Level by following, if we so chose, and as a way to lay down our vehicles to exit should authorities bring trumpeted up charges against us individually or as a group and not having to submit to them and their treatment of us. He made those posts in 1995, approx. 6 months or more after he had outlined for the entire class the procedure for self exiting that he still continued then to prepare for.

I know DO bought at least one rifle which I read about in Rio’s book saying Strody (a classmate with a 60 something year old female vehicle) did some target shooting when they were building what they called a “fortress” near Mansano, New Mexico. Rio didn’t indicate there was a program for all to learn to shoot the rifle.

I’m not sure where I got this, but thought if we got a rifle we would load it with blanks and/or learn to shoot above the heads of someone so if it was to be used it would appear to be a real threat. I can’t actually say I recall DO saying that so perhaps it was how I first dealt with the idea after the Waco murders of the Branch Davidians when DO first brought up the idea. It wasn’t an easy idea for me to handle as it faced me at the time with just how far I would go in my commitment to DO. Would I shoot someone, if I was given that instruction, I asked myself and what I felt was that I wouldn’t be asked to do that. But I did not question DO’s bringing it up and considering it, so like everything in the classroom it felt like another test that I would pass and it would not be the last such test.

The way I heard Frank speak of that classroom it sounded as if he resented the procedures, saying we had to “toe the line” as if it was drudgery as opposed to performing our task assignments with a sense of feeling very happy and even honored to do so. He said we were to “stay under the radar”, as if we were hiding when a huge part of the classroom overcoming process was to want to be transparent and to enjoy being watched all the time. In this context it would have only been a negative to be watched if we sought to hide something. I think from Franks admission he had something to hide thus appears to have resented being under that Next Level microscope.

Franks case and I, Sawyer also engaged in some deceit and tried to hide some of my behaviors. But to be clear this isn’t always totally conscious, so it may be mostly in hindsight that Frank has developed his apparent disdain for DO and the classroom experience.

Ti and DO used to compare their task on earth to being “undercover” and dropped behind enemy lines to where the only lifeline they had was their remote communication with the Next Level and that the task was so important that they didn’t want to say or do anything that would jeopardize the successful completion of that task. I didn’t see that as illusionary thinking. It made perfect sense to me. But a big part of being undercover was in the procedures they had to use to verify they are receiving instructions from their “heavenly Father” as opposed to the efforts of a human or human equivalent trickster. Before Ti left her vehicle she had taught DO how to engage that “checking” process. Part of that was running things by his “helpers” and/or “overseers”. But that was often combined with his observations of events in the world, with the Waco event.

The basis of having “check partners” was to perform all our tasks with more confidence we were working in accordance to our Older Member’s wishes. And partners were to help us be to our partners a “mirror” other sets of eyes to help us see our self and what we might be thinking, saying or doing differently from what our Older Members had taught. That is what Jesus meant by making one’s eye single – having 100% concentration on one aim – to follow our Older Member wherever he goes and in whatever he would have us do.

We needed to want to be subject to that “radar”. It was part of becoming crew minded and not seeking to shine for shining sake. “Behaving” – living according to the provided behaviors and ways, “Following procedures, the rules, to those that truly wanted to be there were very satisfying, very fulfilling and purposeful feeling. Anyone that has worked in a team effort knows how great it feels to be part of that team and how fun it is to work together as different spokes in the wheel and for those that were fully there, I know they felt that.

I’m not suggesting Frank didn’t experience a lot of this pride and satisfaction, but at least in the way he spoke that was put together by the Pineapple Street crew it would seem he has forgotten about or sees in a different light now.

We developed a lot of procedures surrounding our need to feed these vehicles, to set up the preparation of food as an experiment, which I see as ingenious – simulating the real deal of training to meet the qualifications of becoming a crew member in laboratories that are involved in the mechanics of a vast creation.

So Frank calls DO “controlling” and says he got even more controlling after TI left her vehicle, but the facts are that if one wants to consider him ever to be “controlling”, he became less of that after TI left.

If he became more controlling, then why did he send us back to visit families again in 1987? Why wasn’t their sending us to visit families in 1985 enough after the first 10 years of no such visits. The first visit was spoken of by Ti and Do as relieving anxieties family members had that they became most aware of when they found out about the Newsletter Nancy Brown started. It was because of that visit that Rthody decided to leave and is when Frank and Erika who traveled together would have had the chance to run away together and when I could have run away with “sarah” as we two traveled together (and I felt on the airplane and in a car with her, I did wonder if she was coming on to me, but I ignored it.

Starting in 1987 DO brought in a bunch of books, some about UFO’s, abduction reports, close encounters, UFO Crash at Aztec, that included autopsy reports from Dr. Leonard Stringfield. He started up a little video project I was on the committee for. He sent Lggody and others to UFO conferences in Arkansas and Nevada to video interview leading ufologists.

He started us into all kinds of health and longevity research. We had a little company called, ALERT (Advanced Life Extension Research Team). He had us publish a book called the Transfiguration Diet. I was assigned to drive one of our little carpools. I’d drop off classmates at their “out of craft tasks” (jobs in the world) and then go to mine by myself and during my lunch hour, I chose to visit book stores of my choosing to sell books. I could have easily just cashed my check one day and drove off with a Cadillac. I remember one time even having that thought, though it wasn’t a thought I had been entertaining so it had no affect on me, nor did I have any reason to want to leave.

It seemed we had more frequent times when we were required to spend 20 minutes or so opening the door of our minds to whether there was something in the world we wanted. When that time period was over we were to resume blocking out such thoughts. However, if we had been entertaining such thoughts it would have strengthened such thoughts.

DO offered students $2000 to leave the classroom saying he didn’t want anyone staying because of fear of going back into the world and because life in the classroom had become easy – communal living, no worry about the things humans had to worry about like paying bills, keeping a job, dealing with life in what TI called the “real world” as ours was a simulation of life on a spacecraft and if one person lost a job it didn’t break the bank.

DO brought in more books related to the bible – Strong’s concordance, 4-5 versions of the Bible, Dakes, the Parallel, an Amplified, the dead sea scrolls, about the Essenes, the Nag Hammadi library, the Inner Earth evidence from Admiral Byrd’s expedition and even the book Holy Blood Holy Grael that depicted Jesus tricking people to think he had died and resurrected and instead went to live in France where he started a family. That was not the story we thought happened so DO was providing us with that thinking and I don’t recall that he talked about the book.

DO wrote “’88 Update The UFO Two and their Crew”, in which he revealed before he had awakened how he had been leading a homosexual lifestyle. Who knows whether learning that tested some.

Srrody and I started two companies (DBA’s). One we called, Think Link and the second one was called Word Wise and we tried to secure contract programming jobs and got a few but we were on our own to plan what we would do and how.

Srrody and I started training classmates to do computer programming work. DO didn’t give us procedures on how to do that. Students who were intested in that line of work volunteered. Chkody was one of them, with Glnody.

We started making crosses out of fine/rare woods and inlayed semi-precious stones in some of them. Prkody (who left before Frank and has since died) was a primary and Srrody and I were on the crew and we ended up selling them. Do left us on our own as to their design as there are many different kinds of crosses.

When we dealt with the public at times we started being more honest about who we were, saying we were a monastic group. I remember when Lggody was assigned the primary position to design a portable stand for the two 7 foot diameter satellite dishes we had. I was Lggody’s check partner and he was brother Logan and I was brother Sawyer to the people we bought supplies from. That was a change from hiding the true nature of our group.

I never saw Ti nor Do as controlling anyway. If Frank didn’t want to be there, which he indicated was the case, then he was seeing what he chose to “see”. There was no manipulation and the controls were all voluntary so can’t be rightfully considered controlling.

We were taught to fully control our own vehicles, whether that meant not letting out gas outside the “bath chamber” or not allowing our vehicle to dwell on the past or on sensuality or even in imagining ways to fix the human world.

Finally, I will show how DO actually relaxed certain “controls” as to who could qualify to catch the eye of a member of the Level Above Human. This is shown by the differences between the first and last versions of the document DO wrote entitled, ‘Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure’. At first he expressed that “laying down” of one’s human body was needed to demonstrate one’s bond and leave with him to not be among those who are recycled. He changed it to “preparing to lay down one’s body” while not disqualifying that one could die from natural causes and still have their Soul saved for a future classroom. He also removed the prospect of taking up a firearm so the authorities might assist one in exiting their vehicle (not by doing any harm to anyone with it but just by having it when one might be apprehended by authorities for being a radical and not choosing to submit to being taken to jail on trumped up charges, for example).

As shown by my post on the way DO reduced the qualifications to leaving with him, the edit/update of Undercover “Jesus”… demonstrates without question less “control” over who could aspire to advance towards their own graduation.

Nor did DO demonstrate that “controlling and manipulative” person Frank and others try to paint him as, when Frank told DO he wanted to leave. Is asking him if he is sure evidence of controlling and manipulation? Lets say one of our kids who became an adult didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of their parents – to join and help run the parents’ company. Wouldn’t a good parent try to remind their offspring what they are giving up? That was DO appealing to that part of He and Ti’s Mind that was still in Andody’s vehicle – Frank. DO was showing how he cared for Andody to face him with that prospect. DO didn’t say no, he couldn’t leave or didn’t delay his leaving nor have students try to talk him out of it. Remember Frank had become DO’s student for around 17 years at that point and that meant passing by many “tests.”

Finally, Frank says when he was preparing to leave, “classmates were hovering around to make sure I didn’t take anything I wasn’t supposed to take,” another example of how he was in his own world as we had no instruction to watch him that I was aware of and I was one that took him to the airport. However perhaps Srrody did receive instructions to sort of usher him out of the classroom and that could have included giving back the silver wedding bands we wore, that DO gave us to represent our marriage to him (that TI before she left had told us to show to DO our commitment to him). DO at first started to wear a silver wedding band and then he had an event to where each student received one and he spent time with each student, silently as a more formal solidification of what that ring represented.

It’s interesting how that “marriage” relationship was described by Jesus related to the students in the end time. And it’s also interesting how the Luciferian space alien fallen angels stimulated a facsimile event with the Moonies where they had a huge mass marriage but not to him but to other students and it was nothing like in Ti and Do’s group as they really got married in the states eyes and I imagine were sexual and perhaps some went on to propagate, a distortion of what Jesus taught as for “angels” (in the making even) there is no marriage (as we think of marriage) and no propagation of the species. However, that wasn’t saying if one was married before they made their commitment to the Next Level entirely that they were not able to “marry” their Older Member. That option exists for as long as we each have a human vehicle.

It’s simply human mammalian behaviors needing to be outgrown to literally graduate into Next Level membership.

Glynn say’s DO became “more cruel” but where was there any evidence anywhere that he was ever cruel. What was cruel about he and Ti’s sending 19 students who followed them away from the group? What was cruel about spending all their money they received from donations on us, outfitting us to live outdoors for the first 3+ years without income?

Frank described Erika in the start of this podcast as being “loving, compassionate, bright, and intuitive” and yet he paints a picture of the individual (DO) who she, in the name of Chkody loved and gave her life to, as psychotic, manipulating and controlling and having lost his objectivity that led to her and the other student’s committing suicide. That doesn’t say much about her brightness and intuition.

What’s controlling and manipulative is shown in much of these podcasts, and in this episode in particular by putting such a focus on what Frank says to paint a picture to people that DO was controlling and cruel just like what was done to paint Ti as hypocritical in episode 4. None of these involved with this project are operating with a completely informed perspective so they might want to restrain publicly expressing their negativity. Like Jesus said the way we judge others will be the way we are judged. That’s because we become believers in our own judgement, so continue to draw to us the ramifications of having that judgement and we then become forced to “act it out”, which is why there has been an exponential increase in mass shootings, etc.

To me it’s also manipulative to depict Glynn’s early in life experience in a Christian “cult” that was hardly a cult at all comparing it to the Heaven’s Gate cult when there was nothing about them that were alike except for the references to things Biblical and of Jesus. It can easily be shown that all the religions and even today’s anti-religion groups are far from their origin in the case of Christians from the cultish Jesus teachings.

It’s easy to see how Glynn’s cult experience was not evidenced to have much of the real Jesus in it, thus why it did become an example of Luciferian influenced corruption as Jesus said would happen and spoke to as their being “false Christ(ians),” not even knowing what it means to be engaged in the Christing process – coming to trick people who can be tricked into thinking they are serving the One True Kingdom of God when they don’t know Him hardly, if at all. This is on a person by person basis and even if we do recognize the many ways we’ve been tricked, we can still change and the best advise for that is to seek what’s most true at any cost to previous ideas. That can only happen if we project our asking beyond the stars to reach the highest source we can imagine and then proceeding as a seeker – busting past previous limitations of what what might look like.

I’ve written about the dozens of examples that show how Ti and Do demonstrated the same behaviors and ways and requirements of students that Jesus required to join his cult and yet I get no time to say anything about any of that.

Most of the only things they ended up using from the interviews I gave were things they could use to paint a distorted, hypothetically inaccurate negative slanted picture of the real Ti and Do and crew.

Another example of their focusing on anything that painted a negative picture of Ti and Do and their class was shown in how David (Alxody) during one of his two visits to his vehicle’s family was videoed twisting a phone cord in his fingers. Perhaps it was nervous energy as he was subject to scrutiny from his brother(s) around then, but perhaps he always had some nervous energy. We all knew he had a lot of force. The point is why spend any time on that when there are hundreds of things to focus on that could directly inform the listener to more of the truth about Ti and Do and their group.

With all this said, I do still appreciate hearing all of what they found to put together into this series and I know the pressure of being a somewhat mainstream media organizations that needs to attract advertisers and not upset certain people in high places is enormous to negotiate and of course the status quo thinking is overwhelmingly against even considering for a second that Ti and Do could have been exactly who they said they were.

 

 

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DO Reduces the Requirements to Leave with Him By Updating “Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure”

December 15, 2017

Over September 25-26, 1995 DO and Crew posted a document to 95 usenet groups using the handle, Doe@Ti.Lah. The name of the document was:

Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure

Then in January of 1997 He edited that document and updated it that included a new title:

Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure

This updated version is what he included in their book:

“How and When ‘Heaven’s Gate’ (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered” which they called “An Anthology of Our Materials”

(Both the original post and the final version are included near the end of this document)

I compared the two documents and found 25 primary differences. There were a couple more that amounted to use of the phrase “Level Above Human”, when it had been, “Kingdom of Heaven” that I didn’t include all of in this comparison.

Before I show the details of all the changes here is a brief summary with my comments:

Changes 1 and 2: The Title was changed to add quote marks around the word, Jesus. Also referring to himself as Jesus is removed from the first line in the body of the document.

Explanation: DO, nor TI ever claimed to be Jesus though he said he and TI were from the “same Level Above Human (Kingdom of God, in the literal Heaven’s) Family as Jesus” and came incarnate to fulfill all his prophecies to include those in the Book of Revelation that was for the purpose of gathering the same Souls who had “any significant relationship with Jesus” and/or the information He provided, to lead them through the completion of their “Soul – spirit/mind birth” into membership in the Level Above Human.

Ti and Do said they were not “Jesus” because that was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level prepared and took over to perform the task through and for this stage of the graduation, “harvest of fruit” process they needed new human vehicles. They also said, Jesus would come back as the “7th Closeness” where they were providing the “6th Closeness” in the prophesying task described in the Book of Revelation, chapter 11 as the Two Witnesses.

After I left the classroom in 1994, re-starting my human life that included starting a family, after they exited the human vehicles (bodies) in 1997, I began to re-awaken, mostly via dreams, to providing service to Ti and Do again. By 2001 I began to write and eventually wrote a book, entitled, “TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses”.

Over 15 years researching and writing the book, I can to understand that these “closenesses” that TI and DO wrote about by 1976, shown in the book, UFO Missionaries Extraordinary aligned with Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus.

TI said the Soul now in the vehicle named DO was the same Soul who had incarnated for all those 5 and now 6 Next Level closenesses. Thus DO, the Soul was Jesus but he was not that same vehicle.

However in Revelation chapter 19 it appears that He, whom we last know of as DO, is slated to return in his same vehicle that was named Jesus, referring to that “clothing” His Soul would “wear,” as having been “dipped (baptized) in blood” and had the name “King of Kings” and “Lord of Lords” written on it’s “thigh” – from His conquering/overcoming of the human vehicle he “stood up” for his Father in Heaven inside of that brought about it’s metamorphic transformation into a Next Level vehicle. This vehicle was described in scripture as his “glorified body” and as a “celestial body”.

– Change 5: DO removes suggesting their M.O. this time was to arrive via “UFO Crashes”

– Change 8: DO removes stating as a fact that two Older Members visited with him (while incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus) on the mount of Transfiguration.

– Change 10 – DO adds that he will again be hated for his “blasphemy” because of who he says he is and hated by families, etc. because he (and TI) required disciples to leave all behind.

– Change 11 – DO adds that some chose to have their vehicles neutered.

– Change 12 – changes stating those students who bond with Next Level through him “will also lay down their human bodies” to say instead that they “must also prepare to lay down their human bodies”. Also eliminated was the indication that a natural death would not qualify as a laying down of one’s body – leaving what defines “laying down of bodies”.

– Change 13 – again changes “lay down” our human bodies to “prepare to lay down our bodies”.

– Change 14 – adds that exchanging old mind for the mind that flows through him will “cost” them everything of this world.

– Change 15 – outlines how someone who looks to he and his students for all their needs to the best of their ability to align themselves with them and break their human bonds, if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to laying down of their bodies they TOO will find themselves in the safekeeping of that Kingdom and towards further nourishment towards membership in the Next Kingdom.

– Change 16 – DO removes this section from the original. In it, DO suggests getting a firearm and learning how to shoot it, with the idea that being seen by authorities as a radical, if authorities sought to arrest such a believer, where no crime was committed, if they had a firearm and the authorities knew it, the authorities wouldn’t hold back from killing someone which would become one’s laying down of their human vehicle’s life to allow to happen by not submitting to what they command.

– Change 17 – an addition that they may not be required to lay down their lives.

– change 18 – DO changes the description of those who can likely be identified as losing respect for this world and/or having a deposit. They are not automatically the homeless or prisoners or drug or alchohol users, religious radicals or other suppressed segments of society or “sinners” from the viewpoint of the establishment.

– Change 19 – includes his students as representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven that are here NOW with Him.

– Change 22 – suggests how it “appears” some of the staged crashed spacecrafts was how some arrived rather than a certainty.

– Change 24 – Adds that those who “accept us and endure until we leave will go with us and not experience the spading under or recycle of the planet and will become beginners in teh real kingdom of heaven.

– Change 25 – Deletes requirement to “drop the ways of this world and all it’s addictions and ties NOW. He removes saying his is the last bus out of this civilization.

As is the pattern for the Next Level when they bring one of theirs incarnate to teach students through, as demonstrated by Jesus and by TI and DO operating as partners and then by DO, They say and do things that bring great challenges to those they gather from the human kingdom. Everything they say is true, but in application will at times appear not to be, as that puts followers to the test to show whether they truly recognize the Older Members and/or their information or not. The Older Members then become instruments for the Next Level to sort out of the group those who aren’t of the same readiness to graduate in the FIRST WAVE of the overall harvest of Souls into membership in the Next Level.

Thus, I believe DO was blocked from certain perspectives and in this example of this document posted things that were not the most accurate way of understanding things, because it gave those that didn’t receive a soul deposit or tag a reason to not believe in who he really was.

For instance, relative to this document having the name Jesus, not in quotes was taken by some as evidence that DO wasn’t the promised return because Jesus said not to believe someone who comes “in my name, saying I am the Christ”, where his name when he said that was Jesus. Thus if someone comes saying they are Jesus don’t believe them. Even though DO did not come saying he was Jesus, when he came public with TI, after TI left her vehicle, which was also part of the design and served as a test for students, He did realize He needed to “Be Who We are” which he said to students in 1987 and then proceeded to figure out how to present themselves as who they are, where they refers to the student true “saints” also having to stand up now for who they were 2000 years ago.

Those Souls who were with Jesus, when they came back knew him, knew his teachings and knew his “voice” – his Mind/Spirit, thinking, behaviors and ways, so knew they could trust everything He/They said and did, while those who hadn’t received that portion of His Mind might have doubts and questioning of things He/They would say that became a separator, though if they still kept on seeking could also take their next step towards graduation, just probably not with the FIRST Wave but with the LAST Wave instead or could choose to ignore or even go against Them altogether.

All the primary changes to this document show this filtering process at work.

This way, no one is left out of having the opportunity to take their own next best step towards being part of the Level Above Human graduation classrooms.

So here is the line by line changes made to the first document to arrive at the final document:

1) Title:

Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure

Changed to:

Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure

2) First Statement:

I, Jesus — Son of God — acknowledge on this date of September 25/26, 1995:

Changed to:

A member of the Kingdom of God — the Evolutionary Level Above Human — I, who am called Do, acknowledge that:

3) B.

B. My Father’s Kingdom is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul — mind or spirit — and not the body they “wear.”

Changed to:

B. The Evolutionary Level Above Human is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul – and its mind or spirit – and not the “flesh” or physical body they “wear.”

4) B.2.

2. This time, my Heavenly Father came with me. In the early 1970’s, we each incarnated into an adult human body which was in its forties. Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated in a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to — during — and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

changed to:

2. This time, my Heavenly Father – my “Older Member” – came with me. In the early 1970’s, we incarnated into adult human bodies which were in their forties. Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated into a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to – during – and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

5) B.3.

3. Each time we, or others from the Kingdom of Heaven, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Kingdom. The M.O. for many of us this time was to arrive in staged “UFO crashes.”

changed to:

3. It seems that each time we, or others from the Level Above Human, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Next Level.

6) B.4.

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven — the Kingdom of God.

Changed to:

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven – the Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

7) C.

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as God in the early stages of this civilization.

changed to:

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as the “True God” in the early stages of this civilization.

8) C.5. is deleted:

5. The last time I incarnated, My Heavenly Father’s physical relationship with me was unknown to others except when He, along with another Older Member in the Kingdom of God, visited with me (in the place that is referred to as the Mount of the Transfiguration) just prior to my putting myself in the hands of the authorities in order to lay down my human body.

9) C.6. becomes C.5. and changes “Kingdom of Heaven” to “Level Above Human”

10) 5.B. addition:

Now that I am surfacing again, I will again be hated for my “blasphemy” (of who I say I am) and hated by those families and others that are affected by all who aspire to leave with us, because this mission requires that they forsake all ties and binds to this world (family ties, responsibilities, and human-mammalian indulgences).

11) 8.A – now 7.A. addition:

Some in the class have chosen on their own to have their vehicles neutered in order to sustain a more genderless and objective consciousness.

12) 8.B now named 7.B with changes of “will lay down their human bodies” to “prepare to lay down their human bodies”. Also eliminated was the indication that a natural death would not qualify as a laying down of one’s body. In other words one can lose their body through a natural death and still be considered a student who can successfully bond to the Level Above Human. It also deleted the indication that these students must willfully lose their body in allegiance to and belonging to that more advanced Kingdom Level:

B. These students/disciples who successfully bond to the Kingdom of Heaven through me and my Father will also lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that Kingdom. (None of this “laying down of bodies” will play out as a “natural death,” but will be an individual, willful loss of body in allegiance and service to the presence of the Kingdom of Heaven.)

Changed to:

B. The students/disciples who successfully bond to the Level Above Human through me and my Father must also prepare to lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that more advanced Kingdom Level.

13) 9. now named 8. changes “As we “lay down” our human bodies…” to “As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies…”

9. As we “lay down” our human bodies while declaring that the Kingdom of God is at hand, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

Changed to:

8. As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies, while declaring that entry into the Kingdom Above Human is available, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

14) Add 8.A.

A. They will attempt to rid themselves of their old minds, and identities, in exchange for the mind that flows through me, as they attempt to be accepted as one of my “children.” It will “cost” them everything of this world – which they will desperately desire to quickly be rid of.

15) 9.A changed to 8.B with addition

A. If they look to us (me and my students/disciples) to the best of their ability — align themselves with us — break their human bonds — and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in service to the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of the Kingdom of Heaven, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from the Kingdom of Heaven toward membership in that Kingdom.

Changed to:

B. If they expect to go with me, and I’m leaving very soon, they must look to us (me and my students/disciples) for all their needs to the best of their ability – align themselves with us – break their human bonds – and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in pursuit of the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of that Kingdom, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from that Next Level toward membership in that Kingdom.

16) 9.B. deleted – having to do with obtaining firearms that as a radical group may result in the government taking care of how we are to lay down one’s lives.

B. How is this “laying down of our bodies” to occur? If you DO recognize me and choose to look to me for guidance, I would recommend that you purchase firearms, get comfortable using them (or partner with someone who can), and somehow position yourselves (separate from others enough to not be vulnerable) so that you might establish a relationship with me, protected from interference as far as possible. In this day and time the authorities make no bones about their “need” to protect the public from “dangerous radicals like us.” They will aggressively attempt to require us to abide by their values and their rules (which are of this Luciferian world and its society– as difficult as that might be to believe). They won’t hesitate to trump up charges or suspicions in order to search us or take us into custody so they can “judge for themselves” whether or not we are some kind of a threat. There is no need for us to be submissive to their wishes (such as to their search or custody questioning) when we know we have broken none of God’s laws. Not only have we done nothing wrong, but our total existence is devoted to entering and offering God’s World. Our choosing to not “be submissive”– coupled with “being armed”–pretty much addresses the “laying down of our bodies” question.

[There is always the possibility that my Older Member will physically visit me in order to validate or confirm the appropriate unfolding of our exit plan (as was permitted before, at the Mount of the Transfiguration, when I asked “Can this cup be taken from me?” If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us — He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such confrontation need occur.]

17) 9.C addition

C. If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us – He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such “laying down of bodies” need occur.

18) 10. changed into 9.

10. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the system’s point of view, not being responsible citizens, whether their symptoms (of having a deposit) take the form of being “homeless,” prisoners, other social “dropouts” (doing drugs, alcohol, or losing respect for the family and career norms),religious radicals, or patriots/militia-types preoccupied with the loss of their God-given rights, and other suppressed segments of society — women, minority or indigenous races, gays, lesbians, etc. We always come for the “sinners,” from the viewpoint of the establishment.

changed to:

9. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the establishment’s point of view, being irresponsible or anti- social – and will be seen by the world as duped, crazy, a cult member, a drifter, a loner, a drop-out, a separatist, etc.

19) 11. changed to 10. with addition

11. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN” visitations” from the Kingdom of Heaven (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is — the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME.

changed to:

10. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN “visitations” from the Level Above Human (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is – the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME and these students of the Next Level.

20) 12. changed to 11.

12. Evidence of our credibility is:

changed to:

11. Evidence that we speak the truth is:

21) 12.B. changed to 11.B.

B. Any soul who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical, personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and will know or recognize us and this information again.

changed to:

B. Any soul of this civilization who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical or personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and is potentially capable of knowing or recognizing us and this information again.

22) 12.C. changed to 11.C.

C. Even the staging of some of the crashed crafts was in order to help the skeptics realize they have “visitors from another world.”

changed to:

C. It appears that even the staging of some of the crashed spacecrafts (which we suspect some of us arrived in) was in order to help the skeptics realize that they have “visitors from another world.”

23) 13. changed to 12.

13. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me. There is no other Son of His or Representative from His Kingdom incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

changed to:

12. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one (of this civilization) gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me. There is no other Son of His, or Representative from His Kingdom, incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

24) 17. changed to 16. with addition of:

Those who accept us and endure until we leave will go with us, and not need to experience the “spading under” or recycling of this planet – and will in the future become beginners in the real Kingdom of Heaven.

25) Remaining part of 17. deleted:

If you expect to be one to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you must drop the ways of this world — all its addictions and ties –NOW — and go with ME. When I am gone — I’m sorry, but –THAT’S IT — this is the “last bus” out of this civilization. This is the way my Father has designed it!

I am not naive. I am quite aware that what I am saying here will to many, if not most, sound like I should be locked up as a mental case at the least. However, that awareness cannot stand in the way of my simple acknowledgment of these facts for the sake of those who might go with us, and also for the sake of those who desire to be a contributor to our demise or exit from this world.

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(Original) September 25/26, 1995 – Statement posted to the WorldWide Web and to 95 specific newsgroups on the Internet

UNDERCOVER JESUS SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE

I, Jesus — Son of God — acknowledge on this date of September25/26, 1995:

1. I am about to return to my Father’s Kingdom.

A. This “return” requires that I prepare to lay down my borrowed human body in order to take up, or reenter, my body (biological) belonging to the Kingdom of God (as I did appx. 2000 years ago when I laid down the body that was about 33 years old in order to reenter my body belonging to the Kingdom of Heaven).

B. My Father’s Kingdom is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul — mind or spirit — and not the body they “wear.”

2. This time, my Heavenly Father came with me. In the early 1970’s, we each incarnated into an adult human body which was in its forties. Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated in a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to — during — and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

3. Each time we, or others from the Kingdom of Heaven, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Kingdom. The M.O. for many of us this time was to arrive in staged “UFO crashes.”

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven — the Kingdom of God.

A. He actually gave me “birth” into that Kingdom — took me through the overcoming of a mammalian civilization — long before this present human civilization had its beginning.

B. I have served as His student and apprentice during His relationship with this civilization.

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as God in the early stages of this civilization.

5. The last time I incarnated, My Heavenly Father’s physical relationship with me was unknown to others except when He, along with another Older Member in the Kingdom of God, visited with me (in the place that is referred to as the Mount of the Transfiguration) just prior to my putting myself in the hands of the authorities in order to lay down my human body.

6. This time He came with me “undercover” to assist me in my task (picking up where this process left off appx. 2000 years ago) of the further birthing –“fathering”– experience with the ones who will be the next new “sons” or children in the Kingdom of Heaven. To allow me to gain more experience in the birthing process, my Older Member returned to the Kingdom of Heaven in 1985, and continues to assist and communicate with me from a more advanced perspective.

A. As part of the undercover program, my Father incarnated in a female body for His 15-year stay.

B. Being “undercover,” which included lack of acknowledgment of who we were historically, was required of our task this time in order that we might, with as little recognition and interference as possible, round up the souls who were our students from the past. Even so, we were identified as a small, radical cult, just as we were 2000 years ago. And as was the case 2000 years ago, these prospective members left their families and relationships in order to follow or be a student.

7. These prospective new “sons” (speaking of soul identities, for they occupy both male and female bodies) were gathered at two different time periods — one under the guidance of both my Older Member and myself, and the second after my Older Member had returned (these were all souls that had had a previous relationship with me before this incarnation).

8. These “students” of the Kingdom of Heaven were offered the opportunity to bond with me and my Father, as a bride would bond with her husband, though —

A. Since the Kingdom of Heaven has no mammalian or human members, they had to become “new creatures” who bonded in mind, spirit, and behavior — void of human sexuality, human binds, and addictions of this world and this civilization.

B. These students/disciples who successfully bond to the Kingdom of Heaven through me and my Father will also lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that Kingdom. (None of this “laying down of bodies” will play out as a “natural death,” but will be an individual, willful loss of body in allegiance and service to the presence of the Kingdom of Heaven.)

9. As we “lay down” our human bodies while declaring that the Kingdom of God is at hand, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

A. If they look to us (me and my students/disciples) to the best of their ability — align themselves with us — break their human bonds — and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in service to the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of the Kingdom of Heaven, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from the Kingdom of Heaven toward membership in that Kingdom.

B. How is this “laying down of our bodies” to occur? If you DO recognize me and choose to look to me for guidance, I would recommend that you purchase firearms, get comfortable using them (or partner with someone who can), and somehow position yourselves (separate from others enough to not be vulnerable) so that you might establish a relationship with me, protected from interference as far as possible. In this day and time the authorities make no bones about their “need” to protect the public from “dangerous radicals like us.” They will aggressively attempt to require us to abide by their values and their rules (which are of this Luciferian world and its society– as difficult as that might be to believe). They won’t hesitate to trump up charges or suspicions in order to search us or take us into custody so they can “judge for themselves” whether or not we are some kind of a threat. There is no need for us to be submissive to their wishes (such as to their search or custody questioning) when we know we have broken none of God’s laws. Not only have we done nothing wrong, but our total existence is devoted to entering and offering God’s World. Our choosing to not “be submissive”– coupled with “being armed”–pretty much addresses the “laying down of our bodies” question.

[There is always the possibility that my Older Member will physically visit me in order to validate or confirm the appropriate unfolding of our exit plan (as was permitted before, at the Mount of the Transfiguration, when I asked “Can this cup be taken from me?” If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us — He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such confrontation need occur.]

[If I receive a change of instruction which includes going to trial, and the death of my body is a part of that experience, then as far as I am concerned, any and all of those who are apart of me have my permission to join me as soon as they choose to.]

10. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the system’s point of view, not being responsible citizens, whether their symptoms (of having a deposit) take the form of being “homeless,” prisoners, other social “dropouts” (doing drugs, alcohol, or losing respect for the family and career norms),religious radicals, or patriots/militia-types preoccupied with the loss of their God-given rights, and other suppressed segments of society — women, minority or indigenous races, gays, lesbians, etc. We always come for the “sinners,” from the viewpoint of the establishment.

11. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN” visitations” from the Kingdom of Heaven (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is — the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME.

12. Evidence of our credibility is:

A. That our information and our actions match recorded accounts of the presence, conduct, mission, and departure of our previous visitations from the Kingdom of Heaven offering membership in that Kingdom.

B. Any soul who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical, personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and will know or recognize us and this information again.

C. Even the staging of some of the crashed crafts was in order to help the skeptics realize they have “visitors from another world.”

13. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me. There is no other Son of His or Representative from His Kingdom incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

14. There are space aliens (humanoid remnants from other civilizations) who travel in the nearby heavens. They are dependent upon Earth’s atmosphere for harvesting hybrid bodies to “wear” and they recruit the “souls” who fail to become children in the Kingdom of God. We call them Luciferians because of their lineage.

15. These Luciferians jump in immediately after Reps from the Kingdom of Heaven leave. They fill the “patriarch(s)” of the resulting new religion with mixed truths and misinformation, which reinforces the fact that true growth toward that Kingdom can occur only while Reps are incarnate.

16. The Kingdom of God sends crews to “tag” or make “deposits” in human bodies and their minds/spirits just prior to and during the time Representatives from their Kingdom are incarnate “offering” birth. These deposits offer their recipients “recognition” of the Reps and, to some degree, recognition of the “information” from the Kingdom of God. They also act as “homing devices” to lead the recipients to those Reps and that information. Without these “deposits” of “recognition,” no choice of becoming a student is within the will of a human.

17. All who ever received deposits from the Kingdom of Heaven have returned at this time, the close of this Age. As part of our task, the Kingdom of Heaven is using us to test them. How they/you respond to me, my students, and our information will, in fact, judge you as to whether you will or will not have a further relationship with the Kingdom of Heaven. In other words, coming in contact with this information will force a decision, and with the stand you take, you judge yourself. Some, by their choice at this time, could be redeemed.

If you expect to be one to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you must drop the ways of this world — all its addictions and ties –NOW — and go with ME. When I am gone — I’m sorry, but –THAT’S IT — this is the “last bus” out of this civilization. This is the way my Father has designed it!

I am not naive. I am quite aware that what I am saying here will to many, if not most, sound like I should be locked up as a mental case at the least. However, that awareness cannot stand in the way of my simple acknowledgment of these facts for the sake of those who might go with us, and also for the sake of those who desire to be a contributor to our demise or exit from this world.

The above is a sketch of some of the topics which will be discussed in more depth on an upcoming satellite broadcast –the date and time will be announced within the next few weeks.

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(edited/updated) January 1997 – Statement posted to the WorldWide Web and to 95 specific newsgroups on the Internet

UNDERCOVER “JESUS” SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE

A member of the Kingdom of God — the Evolutionary Level Above Human — I, who am called Do, acknowledge that:

1. I am about to return to my Father’s Kingdom.

A. This “return” requires that I prepare to lay down my borrowed human body in order to take up, or reenter, my body (biological) belonging to the Kingdom of God (as I did approximately 2000 years ago, as Jesus, when I laid down the human body that was about 33 years old in order to reenter my body belonging to the Kingdom of Heaven).

B. The Evolutionary Level Above Human is a physical Kingdom Level in the physical Heavens or space, though individuals in that Kingdom identify with their soul – and its mind or spirit – and not the “flesh” or physical body they “wear.”

2. This time, my Heavenly Father – my “Older Member” – came with me.In the early 1970’s, we incarnated into adult human bodies which were in their forties.Approximately 2000 years ago, I incarnated into a body that was in its late 20’s/early 30’s (not at the birth of that body, but just prior to – during – and following my baptism with John the Baptist).

3. It seems that each time we, or others from the Level Above Human, come to Earth or leave, it is via a spacecraft belonging to that Next Level.

4. My Father is an Older Member in the Kingdom of Heaven – the Kingdom of God – the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

A. He actually gave me “birth” into that Kingdom – took me through the overcoming of a mammalian civilization – long before this present human civilization had its beginning.

B. I have served as His student and apprentice during His relationship with this civilization.

C. His relationship to this planet is as Chief Administrator, and is the One referred to as the “True God” in the early stages of this civilization.

5. This time He came with me “undercover,” so to speak, in order to assist me in my task (picking up where this process left off approximately 2000 years ago) of the further birthing – “fathering” – experience with the ones who will be the next new “sons” or children in the Level Above Human.To allow me to gain more experience in the birthing process, my Older Member returned to that Kingdom in 1985, and continues to assist and communicate with me from a more advanced perspective.

A. As part of the undercover program, my Father incarnated in a female body for His 15-year stay.

B. Being “undercover,” which included lack of acknowledgment of who we were historically, was required for most of our task this time in order that we might, with as little recognition and interference as possible, round up the souls who were our students from the past.Even so, we were identified as a small, radical cult, just as we were 2000 years ago.And as was the case 2000 years ago, these prospective members left their families and relationships in order to follow or be a student. Now that I am surfacing again, I will again be hated for my “blasphemy” (of who I say I am) and hated by those families and others that are affected by all who aspire to leave with us, because this mission requires that they forsake all ties and binds to this world (family ties, responsibilities, and human-mammalian indulgences).

6. These prospective new “sons” (speaking of soul identities, for they occupy both male and female bodies) were gathered at two different time periods – one, in 1975-76, under the guidance of both my Older Member and myself, and the second, in 1994, after my Older Member had returned (these were all souls that had had a previous relationship with me before this incarnation).

7. These “students” of the Next Level/The Level Above Human were offered the opportunity to bond with me and my Father, as a bride would bond with her husband, though –

A. Since the Evolutionary Level Above Human has no mammalian or human members, they had to become “new creatures” who bonded in mind, spirit, and behavior – void of human sexuality, human binds, and addictions of this world and this civilization. Some in the class have chosen on their own to have their vehicles neutered in order to sustain a more genderless and objective consciousness.

B. The students/disciples who successfully bond to the Level Above Human through me and my Father must also prepare to lay down their human bodies as we go to the Kingdom of Heaven, in order to take up bodies appropriate to and belonging to that more advanced Kingdom Level.

8. As we prepare to “lay down” our human bodies, while declaring that entry into the Kingdom Above Human is available, there may be many humans who have been recipients of “souls” in “deposits” who may exercise their free will and separate from everything of their world in order to go with us.

A. They will attempt to rid themselves of their old minds, and identities, in exchange for the mind that flows through me, as they attempt to be accepted as one of my “children.”It will “cost” them everything of this world – which they will desperately desire to quickly be rid of.

B. If they expect to go with me, and I’m leaving very soon, they must look to us (me and my students/disciples) for all their needs to the best of their ability – align themselves with us – break their human bonds – and if their declaration that our presence is from the Kingdom of God leads to the “laying down” of their bodies in pursuit of the Next Kingdom as well, then they, too, will find themselves in the safekeeping of that Kingdom, and in line to be recipients of further nourishment from that Next Level toward membership in that Kingdom.

C. If my Father does not require this “disposition” of us – He will take us up into His “cloud of light” (spacecraft) before such “laying down of bodies” need occur.

9. Humans with deposits containing souls can likely be identified at this time as some of those who are rapidly losing respect for this world or its “system.” They are, from the establishment’s point of view, being irresponsible or anti- social – and will be seen by the world as duped, crazy, a cult member, a drifter, a loner, a drop-out, a separatist, etc.

10. In essence, it ultimately matters little what your LIFESTYLE, BELIEF SYSTEM, or MORAL VALUES are BETWEEN “visitations” from the Level Above Human (the last two being 2000 years ago and now). The important issue is – the Kingdom of Heaven is here NOW in ME and these students of the Next Level.

11. Evidence that we speak the truth is:

A. That our information and our actions match recorded accounts of the presence, conduct, mission, and departure of our previous visitations from the Level Above Human offering membership in that Kingdom.

B. Any soul of this civilization who has known us in previous visitations or has had any genuine (physical or personal) relationship with anyone from the True Kingdom of God, is present now, and is potentially capable of knowing or recognizing us and this information again.

C. It appears that even the staging of some of the crashed spacecrafts (which we suspect some of us arrived in) was in order to help the skeptics realize that they have “visitors from another world.”

12. As true today as it was 2000 years ago, no one (of this civilization) gets to my Father or enters the Kingdom of Heaven except through Me.There is no other Son of His, or Representative from His Kingdom, incarnate. Connecting with that Kingdom occurs only while a Member is incarnate, as I am today.

13. There are space aliens (humanoid remnants from other civilizations) who travel in the nearby heavens.They are dependent upon Earth’s atmosphere for harvesting hybrid bodies to “wear” and they recruit the “souls” who fail to become children in the Kingdom of God.We call them Luciferians because of their lineage.

14. These Luciferians (space aliens) “jump in” immediately after Representatives from the Level Above Human leave. They fill the “patriarch(s)” of the resulting new religion with mixed truths and misinformation, which reinforces the fact that accurate knowledge concerning that Kingdom seems to be available only while Representatives are incarnate.

15. The Kingdom of God sends crews to “tag” or make “deposits” in human bodies and their minds/spirits just prior to and during the time Representatives from their Kingdom are incarnate “offering” birth. These deposits offer their recipients “recognition” of the Representatives and, to some degree, recognition of the “information” from the Kingdom of God. They also act as “homing devices” to lead the recipients to those Representatives and that information. Without these “deposits” of “recognition,” no choice of becoming a student is within the will of a human.

16. It is our understanding that all souls of this civilization who ever received deposits from the Level Above Human have returned at this time, the close of this Age. As part of our task, the Level Above Human is using us to test them. How they/you respond to me, my students, and our information will, in fact, judge you as to whether you will or will not have a further relationship with the Kingdom of Heaven. In other words, coming in contact with this information will force a decision, and with the stand you take, you judge yourself. Some, by their choice at this time, could be redeemed. Those who accept us and endure until we leave will go with us, and not need to experience the “spading under” or recycling of this planet – and will in the future become beginners in the real Kingdom of Heaven.

Believe it or not – Your choice – Your judgment.

I hope this will assist you in whatever you might be seeking.

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Jesus-Rebuilding Temple in Jerusalem, Hiding, Miracles, Abandoning Children, When Two Witnesses Come

November 28, 2017

Here are comments on my blog post on Pineapple Street Media’s Heaven’s Gate podcast episode 5, with my responses:

You are ignoring a lot of scripture. The prophecies of Rev can’t happen until the temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt and the temple is in full operation (eg sacrifices, etc.). And that is literal — there is no way around it. He was referring to the temple in Jerusalem. He wasn’t playing funny with the words. So the two witnesses haven’t appeared on the scene yet — they can’t. Countless thousands upon thousands have thought they were “the two” over the millennia, but the bible is crystal clear.

Also, Jesus absolutely loved children — he wouldn’t have abandoned his children. Also, Jesus didn’t hide scared like Do did most of his life — hiding from the cult awareness network exactly as a cult leader would do.

Do didn’t perform a single miracle for us either. He didn’t perform any for you, too. He didn’t cure the blind for instance. Ti said that the cancer would never kill her (“mark my words” she said).

Sawyer’s responses:

The only things Jesus said in regard to rebuilding the temple was referring to the temple as his body that he would rebuild in 3 days:

Mar 14:57 And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying,
Mar 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

He did rebuild his human body.  It was referred to as his healed or glorified new body because it had new characteristics that he demonstrated having shortly after coming out of the tomb.:

Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

This is the second time Jesus demonstrates making his body visible and then invisible.  Perhaps this is where the book/movie by H.G. Wells, The Invisible Man, came from. Ti and Do said the Next Level influenced movies and books to help humans wake up to their realities.

Ti and Do taught that this was a characteristic of that model of a Next Level grown physical body. They said they can also do the same thing with their physical spacecrafts.

Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Jesus wasn’t recognized by his disciples at first until he began to talk.  That’s because they recognized him by his Mind/Spirit and/or his voice. When he first came out of the tomb, which was before this account, he told Mary Magdalene who was there and saw him not to touch him as he needed to go to be with his Father first but would be back.

Ti and Do said that his metamorphosis was completed at the time documented as the Transfiguration. In other words it was after that, that he could repair his own vehicle.

Curiously, the Greek word translated to “transfiguration” is metamorphoo and actually means “changed into another form” or to be transformed or changed.

Ti said that it’s a characteristic of a Next Level Member to be able to heal the human body that was killed in 3 1/2 days.

(Note how Ti didn’t go along with scripture in saying that as 3 1/2 days when the quotes from all the verses in this regard state it as “3”.)

He also said all those stones that make up the temple (sacred place) would be thrown down, which has happened several times and may still happen again before it’s all done.

Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

That sounds like a recycling is scheduled as DO talked about a bit.

There were two Greek words used to denote the temple:

3485 naos {nah-os’}
from a primary naio (to dwell); TDNT – 4:880,625; n m
AV – temple 45, a shrine 1; 46
1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure) 2) any heathen temple or shrine 3) metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ

2411 hieron {hee-er-on’}
from 2413; TDNT – 3:230,349; n n
AV – temple 71; 71
1) a sacred place, temple 1a) used of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus 1b) used of the temple at Jerusalem

He was said to be in Jerusalem for the usage of the former of the two but not necessarily for the later of these two definitions as it also meant a “sacred place”.

In any case it is spelled out that use of “temple” referred to his body, the writers thought and that’s not without evidence but one has to go to Paul’s writings to find it.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Further, Jesus said that Jerusalem would be left desolate. Jerusalem was both the “city of the Children of Israel” – the people who became the dedicated students of Moses and Elijah and then Jesus and the geographical location:

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The house was referring to that “household, the dwelling place for those who were the Children of Israel. In other words, the returning Souls would not be coming into Jewish vehicles thereafter is one of several ways that can all be accurate to witness.

Desolation=
2048 eremos {er’-ay-mos}
of uncertain affinity; TDNT – 2:657,255; adjective
AV – wilderness 32, desert 13, desolate 4, solitary 1; 50
1) solitary, lonely, desolate, uninhabited 1a) used of places 1a1) a desert, wilderness 1a2) deserted places, lonely regions 1a3) an uncultivated region fit for pasturage 1b) used of persons 1b1) deserted by others 1b2) deprived of the aid and protection of others, especially of friends, acquaintances, kindred 1b3) bereft 1b3a) of a flock deserted by the shepherd 1b3b) of a woman neglected by her husband, from whom the husband withholds himself
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So the only way the Middle east Jerusalem would “see him”, which also means understand it’s him is if some are blessed – given the opportunity by the Next Level to see someone who comes “in the name of the Lord” thus someone who is to some degree a student.

Incidentally, DO and his two primary “Helpers,” Lvvody and Jnnody took a trip to Israel sometime between late 1994 and their exit in 1997 as reported by Rio (Neody) in his book, Beyond Human Mind. While I was still there DO talked about going there, even taking the entire class but it never felt right to do then as that was in the early 1990’s. DO reported upon returning that he didn’t feel there was any Next Level Mind left there – thus it became dry of the capacity to have some “fruit” growing there.

Next Jesus says the Kingdom of God would be given to a new “nation…”:

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Nation =
1484 ethnos {eth’-nos}
probably from 1486; TDNT – 2:364,201; n n
AV – Gentiles 93, nation 64, heathen 5, people 2; 164
1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together 1a) a company, troop, swarm 2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus 2a) the human family 3) a tribe, nation, people group 4) in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles 5) Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians

A Nation can refer to one or all of the following: a country and a people and an ethnicity, thus the Jewish people were not slated to experience the return as their development had gone astray.

Re: “thousands” of Two Witnesses:

I don’t know that “countless thousands” have said they were the Two Witnesses but perhaps that’s true but Jesus said before he came there would be many who claimed to be prophets and/or false Christs (false Christians?), even using his name – Jesus.

But the Revelation doesn’t start with the Two Witnesses. They only come on the scene during the 6th Angels Trumpet Sounding. That means there were 5 soundings before they come public to speak inspired by God, the definition of to prophesy.

Further we have evidence that there was planned a new Jerusalem both as an ethnicity and location:

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The word Spiritual here comes from the Greek, pneumatikos which is defined as “non-physical” by Strongs. Thus these listed areas will not be the same physical areas they represented when this was given.

Since we know Jesus’ physical vehicle was killed in Jerusalem, there is also to be a new “Jerusalem, Sodom and Egypt”.

Sodom comes from Cdom and it means “to scorch”;burnt (i.e. volcanic or bituminous) district and also was said to be near to the “dead sea” which was dead because it’s many times saltier than ocean water.

Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when they, their bodies – their human reputations were shot down by the national press all over the US. Las Vegas is fairly close to the Saltan Sea in eastern California in a desert (scorched area). Egypt represents the greater area, defined as “two straights” or “two streets” which can depict two paths – or Two “Waves” in DO’s term, with first starting by Ti and Do’s Two Witness task and overcoming process and the second started by DO and crew from 1987 to 1997 as the return of the One who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus – seen by the world the most as Heaven’s Gate Cult, DO called the Cult of Cults and the Cult of truth. These two waves can also be seen as the First and Last harvest periods with the Last started AFTER their exit, during the time of the Seventh Trumpet sounding, thus now as described by the opening of the Seven Seals (Affirmation Periods/revealing of the remaining information related to their history in scripture – that was in the backside of their BOOK (Rev 5:1) and the Little Book (Rev 10).

Apparently Los Angels area was to be the new “city of God’s “children” (angels)” (non physical location where the Two Witnesses are subdued and exit) – southern California. Their first meeting was in North Hollywood in April of 1975. Isaiah referred to Jerusalem as the “valley of vision” – it’s at the bottom of the San Fernando Valley. Pop culture even referred to girls growing up there as “valley girls”. San Francisco comes from St. Francis of Assisi. Ti said that her spirit guide helper was named “Brother Francis” and came from the the movie, Brother Sun Sister Moon about St. Francis who went against the mainstream church.

Ti and Do were never slated to be “killed” but they were slated to bring on their own death of their vehicles but that was only going to happen after they were first “subdued”, said as “overcome” in most translations but not the primary definition:

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

overcome = 3528 nikao nik-ah’-o from nike 3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively):–conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.

Notice it’s “to subdue” which is also what each student needs to accomplish against their human vehicle and it’s influences. Notice how the Greek word is “nikao” from Nike so even wearing Nike sneakers can have some application to their defeat of their vehicles humanness.

Plus in several places where these Two are revealed there are indicative scriptures of their student body being with them, which is why they came in the first place to collect and bring through their
Spirit/Mind “birth canal”.

The “and” between overcome and kill is a nondescript time period. and “kill them” comes from the Greek “apokteino auto” which is more accurately translated as “separated (or taken away from, or exiting) [by] dying themselves” which is how they exited, seen by much of the world as suicide.

Even so, perhaps when Jesus returns as Ti and Do said would happen during the Seventh and Last “Closeness,” that was not to be a “teaching time” again but to receive to him those who affirmed themselves as his students by becoming students of Ti and Do, while they were incarnate and/or after they exited, the Jewish/Christian/Muslim temple mount in the geographic Jerusalem will be rebuilt and then brought down again. Jesus final return is described most in Revelation chapter 19.

So the new temple, altar and court areas are respectively West of the Mississippi River – Western U.S.,(~1260 miles square), The Southwestern U.S. (where they came by crashing spacecrafts and where they exited from Escondido, both sacrificing their physical vehicles (as introduced in the Moses 1st Trimester Classroom) and the East of the Mississippi River US, Canada, England, Ireland, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand areas (primarily) and any other areas in the world where Ti and Do’s information was brought and made some impression on some. (All these areas mentioned were where DO and Crew put ads in new age periodicals in 1992, though their internet activity was global wide.)

So the temple is both one’s vehicle they are trying to make into only the instrument of God, but is also the physical area where the Older Members and Crew come incarnate and deliver their teachings primarily to and juxtaposed over that physical location is the Next Level’s spacecraft, “heaven” that is removed from the planet during the 6th Seal opening and a new one is installed after the Judgement hour (~40 years) is up and all have chosen to whom to give their allegiance, between the Next Level Above Human and “Mammon” – what human seed bearing plants consider to be their wealth and treasure as shown in their allegiance to the BEASTS – the US and the EU.

On Abandonment of human family:

But Jesus did say that there would be some of his disciples who abandoned their children would receive a hundredfold in relationship to their new family that Jesus said he had consisting of his students.

Mar 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,
Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Having a New Family of fellow believers:

Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Jesus did hide until he got instructions to lay down his life in Jerusalem:

Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Mar 7:24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.

The nature of the task was to hide enough to gather the Souls into their vehicles to become his students again. That’s why it was said he comes as a thief in the night, where night has to do with what Ti and Do called “undercover” which is in a large way accomplished by coming incarnate so no one can see their Next Level Mind unless they are given to see it and do the work to see it.

Ti and Do hid so their classroom wouldn’t be interfered with before they had completed their task. Today it would be harder to hide the same activity as more people are suspect of every little thing that’s different and investigators can easily find anyone who legally works and lives and pays bills, etc. That will only get worse as days pass. We actually knew of several efforts to try to find us with the idea of pulling an adult out of the group as was happening to other cults. They also had several notifications that the FBI was looking for them – once because they wanted to question them regarding the rash of Cattle Mutilations in the western US in the early to mid 1970’s as with a number of mutilations a UFO was sighted nearby.

Miracles:

It’s interesting that Jesus didn’t consider miracles to be “signs” saying that the only sign would be his resurrection from the dead. He tried to keep the healing he did secret until after he left. There is no indication in prophecy that the Two Witnesses nor “Jesus” do any miracles. In fact there are a number of indications that if we saw miracles they were done by the lower forces, by the BEAST.

Here Jesus is speaking about the time of his Kingdom’s return:

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

The word “wonder” comes from Greek teras and also can be defined as: a prodigy, portent or miracle.

The wonders/miracles were to be shown upon his return but they would all be in the literal heavens – outer space while signs or markers were to be shown on the earth but would be described as “blood (bloodshed, from famine, disease, war) and fire (lava, forest fire, drought, radioactivity, anger) and vapour of smoke (volcanic ash?)

If we see miracles now they are not from the Kingdom of God. Here is a key set of examples generated by “another beast (poisonous human mammals)”:

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

wonder and miracle= 4592 semeion {say-mi’-on}
from a presumed derivative of the base of 4591; TDNT – 7:200,1015; n n
AV – sign 50, miracle 23, wonder 3, token 1; 77
1) a sign, mark, token 1a) that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known 1b) a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence, transcending the common course of nature 1b1) of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen 1b2) of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God’s

Ti and Do said that miracles like Jesus did were not given when a student could still graduate.

However, there were some accounts in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary that Ti and Do had special powers. In one they were said to just disappear when someone turned their back. When Ti and Do read that account from Hayden Hewes they laughed and said they just walked off.

Also when Ti and Do were driving on a mountain road and the car behind them was obnoxiously wanting to pass and when they finally did gave Ti and Do the finger, Ti and Do later saw them off the road, crashed into a ditch, though they didn’t wish any harm to them but it does go along with one of the descriptions of the Two Witnesses to have that power if they chose to use it.

I believe I recall DO saying some 90% of the miracles attributed to Jesus were “exaggerated.” He indicated that would generate only a temporary false sense of faith.

True faith comes by putting into motion what is taught by the Older Members and seeing the changes in us and that gets carried on to future incarnations so that people come into vehicles now already having a degree of that faith where things Ti and Do say make sense to them. Anyone can gain that faith but they have to seek to have it by appealing to the highest source in the heaven’s they can reach for help to have it and see more of what’s true and real. If one doesn’t ask they don’t receive as much help though asking can take a number of forms conscious and subconscious.

Ti and Do said that Jesus’ disciples were given various powers because none of them were ready to graduate.

TI’s vehicle’s Cancer: (Commenter writes: “Ti said that the cancer would never kill her (“mark my words” she said)).”

I never heard TI say that cancer would never kill her but even if she did it would have been referring to who she knew herself to be – an Older Member from the Next Level who could not be killed by anything that would happen to her while in the human kingdom. It could kill her vehicle only.

Still, had she said that, it wouldn’t have phased me any more than I was phased by the other things that they changed along the way. I recognized who they were and still know who they are and they can do no wrong and that’s not actually a “blind faith” because I can show why it’s not blind.

Pineapple Street Episode 5-The Tape from DO to Terrie – TI’s “daughter” comments by Sawyer

November 18, 2017
Here is the link to all the Episodes: https://www.heavensgate.show/
(Just scroll down to Episode 5)
Here are my responses:
The host saying this tape was “kept a secret for almost a year”, I guess from the student body, is misinformation, any more than the president is required to share everything he does and says with the general public or the head of a corporation or of a family or in the military. DO wasn’t keeping it secret from us. That’s a spin. Do and Ti taught us all to operate as a crew. We had departments and tasks and one department didn’t need to know what another department was doing. The teacher even of a cult doesn’t owe the students anything. We must remember if we want to see the whole truth, that each of us joined by our own choices and stayed in the group for as long or short as we wanted to so this tape was not a secret – it was simply information we didn’t all need.
The Host said DO was “less a prophet and more a lonely, sad, scared human being…” – another spin to even use the fact that DO showed his deep caring for TI and for Teri against him, similar with the way Episode four portrayed TI as a hypocrite for showing care towards Terri. A prophet is someone who “speaks inspired by God,(the highest source we can imagine)” so DO wasn’t any less of a performer of that prophet task by speaking honestly about his feelings. Saying he was lonely in one context has it’s application because as he said he had grown to depend on TI. Yes, sad he was, though he didn’t linger in that vibration and scared as well but it didn’t stop him from quickly getting back on the horse, so to speak.
Jesus evidenced being sad and scared at times:
I remind for those that think there is any truth to the Jesus story,  He was quite sad sounding “weeping in the garden” after he learned he needed to complete the task he knew he came to do by laying down his life (he learned on what became called the Transfiguration mountain visit), more or less committing suicide since he knew well from many evidences that the high priest of the Pharisaic sect sought to kill him – they tried to stone him a number of times because he was supplanting their authority over the Jewish people. It was in those historic records that he wept and asked in his prayer to his Father, who was in the heaven’s at that time, if that “cup” (task) could be removed from him, though then accepted the task and mustered the strength to perform it. Jesus also felt alone on the cross when he couldn’t feel his Older Member’s presence. I witnessed DO several years after Ti left feeling “underwater” – not feeling Ti’s presence with him (though from outside her vehicle, so at a greater distance as well) when we moved from Boulder to Atlanta, GA in one of three times where we lived east of the Mississippi river. Both Ti and Do always felt they felt most in tune with their heavenly Father (Ti’s Older Member) when they were located west of the Mississippi River but at times had instruction to travel east of it.
It’s not only humans that feel things. Members of the Next Level still feel. They can be happy and they can be sad. They are not robots however they don’t have the same kinds of things they feel happy and sad about. The same with “fun”. Members of the Next Level have fun but it’s not the same kind of fun that horses have when they run around a field.
To DO’s students, their exit by laying down their human bodies lives was not a tragedy and it doesn’t have to remain a tragedy for anyone affected in a difficult sad way, but they will have to seek their Heavenly Father’s help or the highest source they can imagine to begin to feel that, though I know sometimes that’s easier said than done, as I can attest to when I “fell”.
Ti’s dying wish to not tell Terri about her vehicle’s death:
Terrie indicated that she didn’t believe what DO said about his following Ti’s dying wishes to not tell “them” (Ti’s vehicles family). But there is a lot of evidence that DO was correct when he said this. A big case in point; TI lost her eye approx. 2 years before her vehicle expired from liver cancer on June 19, 1985 and TI chose not to tell Terrie even though it seems she wrote some letters to Terrie after the time of her eye surgery. Isn’t that very strong evidence that Ti didn’t want to tell her. I can imagine why in both cases. What good was it going to do for Ti to tell Terrie? It would just stir up more anxiety in Terrie. It was showing care for Terrie.  Ti could have visited Terrie then and many times as we spent close to 5 years or more before Ti left her vehicle, living in Texas to include Dallas for several years and Houston for perhaps a half a year and Austin for maybe a year and San Antonio and Kerrville for about a year and Amarillo for a big part of  a year. I think that was kind of Ti because of how that would have re-stimulated their bond and it would have had to be broken again and again since TI was 100% in support of her mission. Sending letters without any return address or phone number was TI’s way to try to give Terrie a little comfort.
Where the host said, in regard to Ti’s eye removal, “…how everyone in the group could see the tumors on her face and the scars it left”. That is a 100% fabricated lie to state that as a fact. The facts are and I hope someone investigates this, if it’s possible, is that one couldn’t tell at all that her eye was removed. At first she wore a patch over that eye, that is until she had a glass eye made and there were no scars I could see and I did see Ti many times up close (but perhaps mostly that was before the eye removal, when we had the Yeast Lab, as she’d come into that lab to answer questions). But I can’t remember seeing her glass eye up close but maybe that’s because I’m not the most observant person or my focus when she was talking to me or us in person or in a meeting, I was so focused on listening to her that I didn’t pay any attention to her vehicle. I admit I was most always in awe of TI and of DO.
I trust DO’s feelings about Terrie feeling something subconsciously. When something is subconscious it’s not conscious. Now I know I’m bias in that way but it’s from experiences seeing things Ti and Do said that I questioned and then later seeing them the way they saw it.
Terrie was told she would be given their materials:
They did give Terrie the materials. It just ended up being the same way they gave the world their materials, via their book and web site. For all those years before the Book and web site, Ti and Do carried around a camera they were given by someone to videotape the pickup when it happened. We carried around that camera for years in storage and other materials. Frank (Andody) should be able to verify this, and that every year or so they tried to put all their affairs in order the same way they did when they finally left which people don’t know much about but included giving people certain things, cars, van’s, money, etc. I wasn’t on the “purser” task except on rare occasion as a check partner so I don’t know the list of things they did to not leave a mess of those affairs at their exit, though they didn’t know when they would exit and how. They taught and demonstrated “covering their bets,” so to speak. So no doubt Ti and Do planned on giving things to Terrie so that was an honest intention when he said it but then things changed and DO wasn’t responsible to update Terrie to those changes even though it did still happen in another way.
As far as his being in touch with Terri like he said, that could have also happened but after they left or even while still around, though not by anyone in their visible physical bodies, is one way to look at it that is quite realistic to consider but I know sounds crazy to many to think possible. It’s the idea of the reality of what used to be called guardian angels, workers from the Next Level who are physical but can change the vibration of their physicality to render themselves invisible to humans and human technologies. I could go into more about that but I won’t right now since I’m always so long winded. Plus when DO said that he was trying to comfort her and I don’t doubt he fully thought he would but again his first priority was to keep Their classroom in forward motion and He had a crew of unseen helpers just like Jesus described having. Next Level members are not about their “self”. They all operate with a crew minded mentality so saying he would be in contact would be equally honest if some of his crew fulfilled it, whether Terri was aware of it or not.
As Terrie recognized when TI and DO first returned to visit her, I think perhaps in 1973 and/or 1974 or so, the mother she knew had changed. I think Terrie said her voice changed. I would suggest that when more of her Next Level Mind came into her vehicle she became less and less the person and mother she was, just like what happened to Jesus. When Jesus was notified that his mother and brothers wanted to visit with him, he said, “who is my mother and brother but those who…” – are the students in his classroom – they are his new family. TI selected the name TI and in that last letter even signed it, M which could be seen as fully consistent with that, without stirring up more anxiety than necessary so I presume out of kindness or perhaps she always signed Terrie’s letters that way.
As far as Dncody and Lvvody saying they would be back and then not coming back. I can only guess that they might not have been instructed to say they would be back or DO changed his mind and I don’t know how long it was after that, that DO sent the audio tape but DO was operating even then on what guidance he was still getting from Ti while outside his vehicle.
On Frank’s saying “we were shocked”, if I recall his saying “we” that doesn’t speak for me as I think I remember saying in one of the interviews I gave the Pineapple Street crew. I was not shocked. I know it sounds like I was dumbstruck the whole time in the classroom but none of the things that happened, the changes in understanding and all had any affect on my commitment to Ti and Do and nor did I have an emotional attachment to Ti and Do nor my classmates then especially but nor was I conscious about doubting anything or if I did, I ran that thought off and it was never a major deal for me.
Yes, as Terri said, Jesus is about love but it’s love for one’s Heavenly Father that was the First Greatest Commandment and most applicable when they are incarnate and the way we can show that love to our Heavenly Father when they are not incarnate as Jesus taught was to show our love for our neighbors in the same way we love ourselves, the Second Greatest Commandment that Moses taught as well and that Ti and Do demonstrated as well and did so way beyond words.
When DO converted his suffering to a positive recognizing that it was his task to complete the task without Ti’s close physical partnership he new Ti’s exit was right. I didn’t know at the time and only learned it when I dug into the entire Book of Revelation, that Ti’s exit ahead of the rest of the class was in the plan.
DO says TI is the Revelation 12 “Woman” and how the “flood” of negativity “burned out” her vehicle (eye and body):
Ti and Do were never scripture quoters though they knew them on a deep level I learned later. However around 1985 before Ti left her vehicle he had us bring bibles to a meeting that Ti didn’t sit in on which was very rare. He told us that the Revelation 12:1 “Woman” was referring to TI. Based on that after I left when they helped me re-awaken some, as I dug through most every word of the Revelation, I saw how every verse in Chapter 12 could be seen as directly correlating with what I knew and observed about Ti and Do in their relationship of “Father to Son”, etc. So Ti was hit with a flood of negativity that was a persecution of her and she lost her eye to that battle the same way in a sense we can have a physical condition because of a mental battle we are dealing with whether consciously or not, which Ti and Do also taught about. Then the woman is “helped by the earth” by the “earth opening her mouth” to swallow up the flood. By her vehicle dying the flood went into the “grave” because she was not in a human vehicle that could be affected by that negative flood of thoughts and feelings against her.
Also regarding Their original belief that they would be killed and resurrected – rise again from the grave, that too was 100% fulfilled when one knows the details and really examines the definition choices to the terms used and how in the translations they make some assumptions one would never be able to see unless they got the truth from belief in who Ti and Do are/were. And I’m not saying it couldn’t have happened exactly as the prophecy describes and as Ti and Do thought at first. But this entire project is for the Next Level an experiment and what makes it an experiment is not knowing exactly what the human responses will be to them because they designed us to have free will, so certain things can go in a number of ways. For instance the 3 and a 1/2 days is also said as a time, times and a partial time. Even so Ti and Do did feel their mission was dead for 3 days when the news broke about DO’s felony conviction, etc. that by the way was dropped by the plaintiff the rental car company but became a political football but that resulted in DO being seen as a “thief” just like in prophecy “thief in the night” where night represented the way them come “undercover” invisible – in secret – incarnate. And instead of “kill” a far more accurate translation for Greek “apokteino” would be “separate by dying themselves”. Ti by taking her task that as DO said “wore out her vehicle” was choosing to let that take out her vehicle, giving her vehicles life to her Next Level task. DO and Crew did the same but by instigating their exit directly as for them it was also a test of faith and commitment to DO. And Ti was the one who instructed us to make our commitment to DO.
My book is full of so much evidence that they were exactly who they said they were that it’s unbelievably believable. The book is found for free on my blog:

TI and DO Statement in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary

November 9, 2017

This statement below was published in a book entitled, UFO Missionaries Extraordinary in 1976, included with interviews with TI and DO in 1974 and 1975-6 by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger:

A Statement Prepared by The Two

Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible even the elect.

We bring no signs or wonders, nor do we claim to be Christs or prophets, but simply bear the same truth that Jesus bore in the season that he promised. We come from the same kingdom that he came from and bear witness to his teachings. Our Father’s kingdom is reached only in the way that Jesus taught and demonstrated.

Rev 22:17 And let him who is thirsty come, let him who desires take the water of life without price.

Rev 14:1-5 Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and the4y sing a new song before the throne and before the4 four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

What is Happening in the Heavens at This Time

If you could project your mind out into the heavens and look at the positions of planets and other solar bodies in this immediate solar system, then extend your observations even more distantly, you might not be able to see the actual physical manifestation of energy; but if you were sensitive you would be aware that there is at this time an intense energy source focusing on this planet.

How severely this energy is affecting other planets in this solar system, we don’t know – and it is not important to us. This energy focus might be more clearly understood if you picture a searchlight that is circling in the far distant heavens without interference from other bodies in the heavens, clearly shining on this planet as it did approximately two thousand years ago in it’s last orbiting.

Another way to picture this same energy field would be to imagine a very distant emission of energy that has been obstructed from this planet by the positional interference of other solar bodies. At this time it is as if an opening or a shaft has been made by the present position of the heavens, permitting a strong intensity of that energy field to focus directly upon Earth – as it did approximately two thousand years ago.

It really does not make any difference what the actual cause or reason behind the energy focus is. But to be aware of its presence – and thereby understand why the life forms on this planet are responding the way they are – is significant, and will be helpful in understanding and controlling one’s own individual response.

Everything in the heavens, including this planet, is in a constant process of change and response to change, and that response determines growth or decay. This little planet called Earth is a garden from which individuals whom man would label gods may be born. “Gods” because they are members of a kingdom level above the human – the “kingdom of God.”

When this planet came together and was formed by members (or a particular member in that level-above-human) whose responsibility or chosen endeavor was the creation of a new garden, it became the place where germination could begin and life forms could multiply. If the life forms survived all the intermediate lesson-steps of growth, they could work their way up to the human level.

Now at this particular time, when an intense energy source is striking the planet, graduation from the human level into the level-above-human, or the kingdom of God, is made available.

The Earth garden has had life forms survive in growth-motion into the human kingdom in previous civilizations. However, at the time when the availability was offered, those previous human civilizations were not able to make it through the transition from human to the level-above-human.

A lot of growth in levels-beneath-human seems to be more automatic in upward motion, for the strength of will that pushes the life form up a notch is, for the most part, not consciously aware of what it is doing when it graduates upwardly. At the human level, schoolchildren in the early grades are not consciously aware that they have grown by their choice. However, at the growth level where a human becomes a prospect for the next level (the level-above-human) he must be completely aware of what he is doing or he cannot complete the transitional experience.

It might be helpful to consider how graduation from one level to the next is deserved or reached. A dog who has become tired or disenchanted with the so-called normal activities of the dog world and finds his only pleasure in pleasing his master deserves to move out of the dog kingdom and into the beginning stage of the level that he chooses to serve.

Some dogs might accept the training to avoid punishment. Their motivation would not make them deserving of graduating into the kindergarten of the human level. But the dog who desires only the attention, approval, and affection of the human, whose motivation is genuinely that of seeking to be associated with the next level (or human world), deserves to move into that higher level when graduation time arrives.

The energy focus that is now on planet Earth is the energy needed for the graduation experience. The human who desires only to please and to serve the level above his kingdom can at this time, with the help of members of the level-above-human, receive his examination, roll call, depart from his school (Earth), go “out in the world” – into the literal heavens among other members of the kingdom of God – and begin his apprenticeship and chosen activities.

The man who teaches a dog must hold frequent training sessions or the dog will quickly forget his training – though he may continue to seek a close, affectionate relationship with the man. A human college student must have an increasingly distant relationship with his professor and come into his own knowledge if he hopes to one day be in a professional capacity.

A candidate for the level-above-human must have an even more distant physical relationship with his teachers, or the members of the kingdom-above-human. For the requirement of his graduation includes a mental teaching program and a willingness to complete that program before gaining physical contact with the teacher level.

Because of this extremely infrequent physical contact, most religions have adopted the belief that members of that next level do not have physical bodies. The human professor does not seek out his students to impose his teachings; rather, they pay for instruction and choose to go to his classroom because society imposes the idea upon humans that they must find themselves in classrooms.

A prospective candidate for the next level has to do all of his seeking from the minds of his teachers in the next level through the strength of his own volition, according to the intensity of his thirst for knowledge above human.

Now, at the same time that this intense energy focuses or shines on this planet, members of the level-above-human come in at close range to examine the garden (most especially the human kingdom) and assist in the graduation. In preparation for the rare graduation period, a member or members of that next level might have chosen to leave their physical bodies, incarnate in the offspring of woman, lose the conscious minds they had attained, and live a seemingly normal human existence for a number of years – though close associates might have realized there was something different about them.

At the point in time when the energy focus became very intense, these people went through a period of mental transition, they became aware of the fact that they had come from another level and that they had spent a part of a human life in order to be at closer range with prospective graduates. The teachers can now tell and show how the changeover from a human into a member of the next level is accomplished. They may even demonstrate to nonbelievers that upon completion of the changeover they have become creatures capable of repairing a so-called “dead” body in three and a half days.

It was earlier stated that civilizations have existed on this planet that were unable to rise above the highest human condition. The present civilization, which began approximately six thousand years ago, has been the recipient of special help from the level-above-human.

Members of the level-above-human chose to incarnate several times into this civilization in order to assist in bringing it up through its different “grades” in the human “school.” This was not in order to upgrade genealogy or physical bodies, but to associate with the souls who are the products of this garden so that they might have someone with a higher consciousness in their midst to serve as an example.

The individual who was called Adam came to Earth from the heavens (the kingdom-above-human) in his total form – physical body and mind. He was so overcome by the discarnates (invisible life forms) from the previous civilizations that he was not able to withstand the aggression of their influences. Adam thereby temporarily lost his heavenly consciousness (the capacity of the mind of an individual in the next level) and found himself in the decaying vibration of the human level. This led to his death.

It was not until his incarnation in the individual named Enoch (who was the second major help) that he was able to rise above human-level vibrations and thereby resume his mental capacity as a member of our Father’s kingdom. This awareness permitted him to serve in the function of assisting in the bringing up of early-grade humans who were products of the Earth’s garden.

After Adam-Enoch had left adequate upgrading teachings, he was in sufficient mental communication with members of the level-above-human to complete his total conversion back into a rightful member of that level and depart from the human world and the Earth’s surface without experiencing death. He took his whole mind and body with him.

This is to say that Adam was brought to Earth’s surface from the kingdom-above-human (the kingdom of God) to begin a new civilization. He yielded to the temptations of the human-level sensuality, and in so doing he decreased his knowledge, the expanse of his mind, to that of a human-level creature. In a sense Adam lost what he had previously gained, and he did not begin to recover it to any significant degree until his incarnation as Enoch. As Enoch, Adam completed his changeover, physically and mentally, and left the Earth’s surface to reenter the kingdom-above-human.

After a season of growth, a third help-mission was sent to this particular civilization. But this time, in order to understand and to relate to the level of growth of the civilization, a member of our Father’s kingdom left his heavenly body in the spacecraft that brought him to the Earth’s surface and entered the newborn body named Moses.

Upon entering the baby’s body, the mind that had been in the level-above-human had to be as restricted as the child’s vehicle. In a sense, that mind had to go to sleep and reawaken as soon as the body of Moses had encountered enough experiences of growth and suffering to realize he had extraordinary work to do. It was his accepted responsibility before coming down to Earth to upgrade the civilization several grades beyond what had been offered by Enoch.

Using an analogy of twelve grades in school related to twelve steps of human growth in a civilization, it was Moses’ chosen mission to set rules of order which, if adhered to, could elevate man’s growth to fifth- or sixth-grade students in the human school. Moses, like Enoch, later in life changed from his human condition into a body and mind that could return to the level-above-human. When his work had been completed he did not leave a human body behind, but took his changed-over body with him.

The fourth significant help for this civilization came at the next major “spring” when a member of our Father’s kingdom, or the fourth mission of the same member, occurred. An individual (incarnate as Elijah) came to Earth’s surface and served in a capacity similar to Moses’. The information that he brought was again designed to upgrade or to assist this civilization, particularly those who had grown to the point that as individuals they were seeking to begin to rise above what they had gotten into.

Elijah’s information was structured for those who were moving away from their densest or broadest accumulation of human attachments – reaching for grades seven or eight. Of equal importance, Elijah’s information sought to prepare the growing members of this civilization for the next help that would come (in Jesus), which would actually give the information for graduation from the twelfth grade (human level) altogether and show humans how to enter the kingdom of God.

Never has any heavenly information been accepted by the masses as a whole; rather, it is accepted by the few who seek to change out of their last station of growth. Masses or groups of people do not grow or move up automatically. Growth is done individually, according to the degree of thirst for upward motion in the individual.

The next major help, or fifth upgrading mission, from the kingdom-above-human brought the civilization applicable information about how an individual product of this garden might change sufficiently to leave the human kingdom literally and take his total being, mind and body, with him into the kingdom-above-human. This is to say that the individual who came to fulfill this fifth mission took the incarnation labeled Jesus in the same manner that the individual of the third mission incarnated as Moses, and the fourth as Elijah. Jesus’ mission was to tell and to show how human products of this garden who had risen to the point where they were seeking the kingdom of heaven could reach it. But even though their comprehension of the changeover task was sufficient for them to begin to receive the information, their capacity for applying the formula of overcoming, or changeover, was lacking.

This is not to say that anything was lost by those who were applying Jesus’ teachings, for those same souls are here again now at this sixth help season in order to complete what they had started with his assistance. The one who was named Jesus not only had, after his awakening, the responsibility of telling and showing how the literal changeover from a human being into a heavenly being is accomplished – he also had the added task of demonstrating that one who had changed over can re-heal his body in three and a half days if he is destroyed.

Since the masses of people in this civilization did not desire upward growth sufficiently to reach for information Jesus brought, they found themselves in a growth condition that was blind to his truth. They had not the capacity to accept him; therefore, they rejected him to the point of desiring his death. Since the slow growers chose to kill him, Jesus’ mission included a “proof-demonstration” for the unbelievers. This did not mean that any others who might complete their changeover would need to be, or even asked to be, the instruments of such a demonstration.

None of this is to say that efforts towards growth and upward-reaching endeavors that took the form of religious movements were not the best for which men had the capacity at their station of growth. Ultimately the information for which all souls who seek to grow upward are looking is information on how to graduate into the next kingdom. It makes no difference which path you take up the mountain, what pursuits of knowledge – scientific or religious – you choose. All can lead to the top if your thirst remains unquenchable and you are dissatisfied with the level you have obtained.

However, when you have reached the top of the mountain, you must discard all the discoloration and terminology accumulated in your upward climb and come into an unvarnished, unromantic understanding of the requirements of “liftoff.” Therefore, there is only one way to reach the kindergarten in the kingdom of heaven. It was knowable at this time of Jesus’ mission if one could understand what he taught – not what others said he taught – and is knowable at this time through the information that it is our responsibility to clarify.

The sixth major help period for Earth’s human garden is now. The truth brought by us is one hundred percent the same truth brought in the mission of Jesus. Our responsibility is to reunite your minds with the proper interpretation of what he had to say – if you seek it – and to help you understand that only in the same way that he changed over in order to reenter the kingdom-above-human can you become a member of that level.

When Jesus said that everything that I am you can become and much more, he meant it. It is true.

Once again we are in a brief season when the “light” or knowledge or “energy focus” is on this planet. It is brief and intense. Many who have not chosen upward motion may respond adversely and even destroy themselves. Some – you, we hope – will realize that now is a brief period for your preparation to leave the human kingdom.

The seventh closeness will not be a teaching one, but a gathering of the harvest of those who have overcome this world.

If the forces of those who have chosen to be slow growers again choose to reject this truth and it’s bearers, then the two of us will again demonstrate that changed-over individuals can repair their so-called “dead” bodies in three and a half days. If that must happen it will be soon – and at the time that we have completed our testimony. As soon as our clarification is complete and it has adequately reached the eyes, ears, and minds of those who have become ready for it, we can reenter the kingdom-above-human and be a part of the membership of that level again.

Many could choose to overcome this world and even be a part of its becoming a heavenly body instead of a garden. The option is there. The intense energy focus that is on the planet will cause them to make their choice. They can accept this truth and do it–or reject it.

The seventh closeness, which is immediately upon us in the sense that those who are in the middle of their normal life span will easily live to see it’s completion, will include such events as what the Christian church refers to as the second coming, the “rapture,” and the completion of the final prophecies in John’s Book of Revelation. The one who was Jesus will come in at close range (as soon as those who have chosen to change over do it) and receive the elect into his company, for they have been those he has nurtured since the beginning of this civilization.

Those who literally and physically rise up to join him away from the surface of the Earth will be a part of the “rapture,” and they at that time will become full-fledged members of that kingdom. If they have not completed their total effort as individuals in overcoming this world and all of their individual attachments to it by the time he comes in this seventh closeness, they will not receive that ingredient from the kingdom of God. If they have given their full effort toward total overcoming from the time their minds receive this clarification of changeover requirements until the seventh closeness, they will receive that final ingredient and become whole “in a twinkling of an eye” and be capable of moving and serving in the literal heavens as much as the butterfly is capable of moving it it’s world as compared to it’s limited capabilities when it was but a caterpillar.

None of this, if you desire to be a full recipient of what this information has to offer, can be taken as a concept for study, religious belief, or some new idea of an avant garde cult. The teachings that are contained here – if they speak to you and if you choose to accept them – must be applied to the activities in your life to the extent that very soon in your individual life you will have only one thing in mind – reaching our Father’s kingdom during the short time it is available to you and seeking his help in the total overcoming of this world, having been weaned from all your humanness so that you might be one of those prepared to meet him.

Message Summary

Our entire message and our mission can be summed up as follows:

1) There is a literal, physical kingdom of life above the human level.
2) That kingdom level exists in the literal, physical heavens outside the Earth’s atmosphere.
3) It is from humans changed over that members in the next level get their physical birth.
4) The season for that changeover comes rarely and brings with it the necessary assisting information through the minds of members of that next level, who incarnate as humans during that season in order to bear the information of how the changeover is accomplished. The bearers also serve as examples or specimens, illustrating that physical changeover accomplished.
5) Human candidates for the individual change-over can accomplish it only during that brief season.
6) These candidates must be in physical bodies of strong will, be mentally alert, and be in full control of their total selves.
7) If the candidate’s body dies or is left behind, it is an indication that he did not change over and become a physical member of that next kingdom anymore than a caterpillar that dies has not become a butterfly (But if a candidate’s body has died, his time of changeover may occur at the next graduation season.)”

A Reminder
To Those Who Are in a Position
to Give Their All

During the time of your preparation and change-over, you must guard against the misdirection of your energies. At the top of the list, your first desire must always be to reach the next kingdom. You can not enter if you have not become an individual who has the characteristics of others who are already members of that kingdom. At the core of your motivation must be the desire to be good and right to a degree not comprehendable by humans. Your greatest pleasure then becomes the pleasing of your Heavenly Father. You must know who your Heavenly Father is. If he is from the real heavens, and you know him, then you will always try to stay in tune with his mind and handle each circumstance as you believe he or his Father would handle it.

Your emphasis must remain on telling others that the real kingdom level of the real heavens exists, and that now a brief time exists for individuals to become members in it. If you emphasize the demonstration, you participate to a degree in the “show-me” point of view. If the demonstration occurs prematurely, those changing over will find themselves without close assistance, and could easily be misdirected.

“Sticking it out” or “just waiting for the spaceship” won’t accomplish your desired change. You have to be willing to accept the possibility that your “chrysalis” might take as long as ours took. Only continuous pushing and pressing forward will complete your changeover. This pressing includes “doing your Father’s work,” i.e., daily doing all that you can to spread the good news of the real kingdom of God. You must be determined to not allow anything or anyone to turn your head from your completion task. There will be many who would delight in seeing you turn back in order to justify their weakness.

Warning: There are artificial circumstances, objects, and indivduals who would woo you away from the real. This is true of aspects on every level – even “spacecraft” and “angels.” Be alert – know the difference.

No Real Comparison of Jonestown suicides with Heaven’s Gate

October 27, 2017

At the end is the link to an article that compared Jonestown to Heaven’s Gate that I show really has little to no genuine equivalent comparison other than both their groups membership physically dying by ingesting drugs under the leadership of one leader. Based on that one could equate the president of a country as a dangerous cult leader who stimulates their soldiers to give their lives which I know to many seems preposterous to compare but is it really?

On the surface these two groups can be barely compared and I don’t doubt that from a membership prospective there were some tiny likenesses but other than that there is no comparison except in the use of poison to end their vehicles lives.

To follow are  some of the many huge differences that reveal this comparison as a typical Luciferian Soul “facsimile” production of what Ti and Do were doing. And it’s interesting how some of those who initially joined with Ti and Do in 1975, from the first meeting in North Hollywood around April 21st thought that they (Ti and Do) were promoting suicide both literally and figuratively which was not the case literally then, even if one did define suicide by it’s human definition as self stimulated death of one’s body. Figuratively speaking Ti and Do’s group were more realistically ending their human lifestyle entirely where in the Jones camp humanness was not changed at all really according to the evidence. Some of what I’m saying about the fear of suicide came from Joan Culpepper (more of an infiltrator into the group than a follower as she stated). Plus there was a relative of a student who testified her fear of their committing suicide in 1975 (about three years before the Jonestown event) that was documented in the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary.” Here are some snippets of that book on this blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

So here are the key differences that are major in the Jonestown People Temples group that there was not even a shade of indicator of in the Heaven’s Gate group:

1. Children were forced to drink the poison cocktail. One can see and hear it in the video with Jones preaching to do it while people are crying. Ti and Do didn’t allow children in their group.

2. If only one person disagreed and was forced to ingest the poison cocktail the entire idea could not be compared with Heaven’s Gate group. This was evidenced in the Jonestown story by video testimony and survivors. Some people who fled that last meeting were hunted down by gunmen. People were held at gunpoint to ingest the poison according to the records. In the Heaven’s Gate group people were challenged to leave throughout and 19 of the initial 100 members in 1976 were separated from the larger group and Ti and Do said they didn’t make the “first cut” on who they thought could accomplish the task of overcoming all their humanness.

3. Murder of the congressman at the airport as they attempted to leave was also a huge indicator of how different Jonestown was from Heaven’s Gate. The records indicate that Jim Jones was stimulated to take this action to escape prosecution when he learned that some in his group had passed notes to the congressman saying that they wanted to get out.

4. The People’s temple was a human social and political group. Heaven’s Gate was not social nor political. Spirituality seemed to be mostly absent from the documentaries I watched but if it was a big part was not any different from other spiritual and/or religious groups that had political and community support before they moved to Guyana. Heaven’s Gate wasn’t religious or spiritual in that context. The only reason they are considered religious is because it is through the man made worldly religions that the records of the Next Level’s incarnate activity was passed on and because the nature of the information was about Mind – “the character of the soul” as DO once defined Mind, that he taught was synonymous with the word, “spirit”.

5. Members of the People’s Temple did not leave everything behind to join with Jones – mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, houses, etc. (as Jesus taught some of his disciples had done (i.e. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. ) and that all Ti and Do’s students were instructed to do (though there was no way to verify that any one student had done but it was talked about as having an “ace in the hole” for those that didn’t. However I read one report that indicated Ti and Do turned away at least one person who was considering joining with them. She had children and it was reported that Ti and Do said she shouldn’t follow with them at that time and that perhaps she might follow later (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary)).

Jones and his group were a human organization with human family values and human behaviors that they took with them to Guyana, including relationships among members and sexuality and punishments for non-compliance. Ti and Do’s group members did not continue human relationships with anyone back in the world nor with one another when some joined who had such a relationship. (I was one of those who joined with my former partner I had lived with for 5 years and for the first ten years had zero communication with my vehicle’s family back in New York. The only relationships Ti and Do’s student had were as fellow crew members. There was no chit chatting or gossip or shooting the breeze or having best friends or confidants or “familiarity” among certain members (though we still enjoyed one anthers camaraderie and companionship and friendship and personalities and helpfulness (within the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught that are most synopsized in the lists referred to as the “Seventeen Steps” and the “Major and Lessor Offenses” – that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book and posted on the Heavensgate.com web site and posted on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-major-and-lessor-offense-list/

6. The idea that the Jonestown people were forming a utopia on earth was totally absent with the Heaven’s Gate group. According to Ti and Do’s teachings there was no “heaven on earth” in that way, at least not during the current civilization. They did say in the future, if humans showed the Next Level that they had evolved to be civilized – like not choosing to shoot at beings from other worlds, for example then the earth could be made into a Next Level Base aka a Heavenly Body where Members of the Next Level could be seen coming and going but still would not live among humans. They talked about how there were other planets where human equivalent beings were growing in ways totally unlike in the earth’s human kingdom because humans were somewhat unique because of the presence of the Luciferian space alien fallen angels they permitted to become catalysts for the growth of souls. There could be another planet but it would only be equivalent to earth if some human equivalent to Luciferians were also present but they mostly felt there wasn’t another such earth/human equivalent planet. (Some of this can be seen talked about in the Blackhawk tapes and a little in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). For the Blackhawk tapes one can search my Youtube channel named: 3SPM for “Blackhawk” and find three posts of those audios made into videos.

With Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate group the idea from the start was that we were all going to exit the earth, always potentially with our bodies but certainly as Souls for those who qualified. I doubt there were any qualifications to join with Jim Jones (but I could be wrong about that, but if there were I’d bet they were human qualification characteristics (humanitarianism) verses Above Human characteristic qualifications), many of which are in the records that came through a number of what became religions.

7. There were no abuses in Ti and Do’s group. There were never any sexual misconduct that I witnessed and none that were reported by the hundreds of followers over the years who dropped out. There was no punishment for not living by the “procedures” (rules) except for being sent out of the group. Some were sent out of the group and a number of those returned in unusual ways as there were only two “recruitment” periods from 1975 to 1976 and from 1993 (via media) and for about 9 months face to face in meetings around the US and Canada in 1994 and then via internet media by the presence of the Heaven’s Gate web site and postings to Usenet groups that one person joined from and was among the 38 who layed down their lives.

(By the way, “recruitment” was nothing like many groups I’ve both read about and experienced, like the Moonies for instance. We never stood on corners to sell flowers or anything else with the hope of drawing people to our meetings with an offer of food and then once there those who came would learn they needed to sit through their presentation before they’d be fed. It’s sort of the model of the Salvation Army. The entire “recruitment” effort was simply putting up posters on storefronts and bulletin boards in New age centers and health food stores and on telephone poles around the town where we planned a public meeting. Sometimes we got some free press and/or radio and/or TV coverage. People would come to the meeting and listen for a short time and take some questions and then were told if anyone wanted more information to stay after in which case sometimes even some who though they might want to join us were faced with details that dissuaded them. Nothing was ever hidden and there were not carrots put before a person’s eyes, so to speak. However, one might think the idea that they were joining with true Representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven could be a carrot but Ti and Do and their Students didn’t need to have more members so had no interest in cajoling anyone.)

8. Plus the way DO and crew laid down their lives was never rehearsed as it was with the Jonestown group. In the Jonestown group they had a number of rehearsals but the members of the community weren’t told they were rehearsals according to one or more survivor reports. People drank the drink that they were told had poison in it and nothing happened to them, so that became a conditioning to the act. DO did ask on several or more occasions each member of the group if they had any reservations about taking their exit into their own hands by drinking the phenobarbital mixture. One such time was when I was still in the group in September of 1994 that included over a dozen new (or returning) members. From that person by person question one new student said they had reservations and left the group the next day. Another who was a former member named Arrody left shortly after that for the same reason I read reported. One can think that too was conditioning but if anything the conditioning was to filter out those who weren’t clearly in favor of taking the action, the same kind of filtering that had occurred by many examples over the 19 years I witnessed that can be seen in this blog post:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/

I’m not proposing that the Jonestown event as a Luciferian facsimile attempt to discredit Ti and Do’s authenticity meant that the people in the Jonestown event were necessarily casualties or their their souls and/or Spirits were not kept by the Next Level because of their willingness to sacrifice their human lives in this world. I don’t say that without evidence from DO. For instance, after watching the murder of the David Koresh group, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas I recall DO saying that he wondered if his students would stick to their convictions the way they did, though not condoning those who used violence. To me that meant that some of those could have been seen by the Next Level as doing the best they could do. The point is, even if someone is murdered or kills themselves we don’t know how that Soul or Spirit will be judged by the Next Level. That judgement starts with the way each of us believe and act while living. We judge ourselves and then when it’s all done the Next Level salvages those they deem to still have the capacity to advance towards Next Level membership in a future opportunity. Like DO said as the 3rd Type of individual who would be “saved” from the recycling, they might have never heard of Ti and Do but separated from their worldliness in their own way. Do can be seen speaking of this in his video, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled” a video that was transcribed and found on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/

Here is the article that stimulated this blog post response:

Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate were supposed to be utopias. How did it go so wrong?
When a dream becomes dystopia. By Amos Barshad
https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/26/jonestown-and-heavens-gate-were-supposed-to-be-utopias-how-did-it-go-so-wrong

 

Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

October 20, 2017

Below is the access information for the Pineapple Street Podcast Series Heaven’s Gate and followed by Sawyers comments to each episode:

Pineapple Press Podcast Series – Heaven’s Gate
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/heavens-gate
twitter: @heavensgateshow
facebook /heavensgateshow

Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts. I am calling them both “tests” and a type of filter. Because they were tests, even though they weren’t always presented that way, if someone was “on the fence” with their full commitment, they served to face us with getting off that fence, one way or the other, leave the classroom or stay on and become stronger for doing so.

(By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them was part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions).

I’m starting from when the self stimulated exit was first brought up directly as there were times before that, when it surfaced indirectly that I’ll add later:

1) In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting, for me, as an overseer of one of the groups, was near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which is when the idea of self exiting our vehicles was first introduced. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to a very short distance away. I remember feeling exhausted and wondering why, but didn’t let that thought linger. I wasn’t conscious that I was responding negatively to what they were providing. It’s only looking back and recalling it that I remember that negative response. None the less, it was a minor negativity for me and I said nothing and I didn’t think poorly about Ti and Do or question being with them at all. It was mostly because I didn’t want to do the work of moving the tents again. So I don’t really count this as one of the tests in the list because it was small a test, yet who knows how others felt.

2) The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level – “eyes to see, ears to hear”. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point, indicated by his saying “almost without exception”:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

re: what Ti and Do always described as “body changes” is shown possible by Jesus’ example of healing and demonstrating his new body that came from the old one. Christians refer to Jesus body after he healed his body from it’s dead state as having a “glorified body.” Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke adds a key piece not found in either Matthew or Mark’s account, showing that these two “men” as Luke referred to Elias and Moses were delivering a message at least one of them understood. In other words this was when Jesus was given instructions to “lay his body down” of his own volition which could be equated with a type of suicide as he knew well the Jewish leadership hated him and had tried a number of times to stone him and were shown later to have conspired for a way to capture him and have the Romans kill him. While addressing this, here is where Jesus directly says he was going to die on his Father’s instruction and that the humans were not taking his life from him. He was laying it down as the show of the greatest love one could show another, in this case his students, the sheep given to him by his Father to shepherd?

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Continuing on with when he received that instruction while on the Transfiguration mount:

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today for some has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

3) How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

4) The test TI said to DO felt like she “had egg on her face” because of – the planned exit via a spacecraft that didn’t happen

Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. I wasn’t privy to how that happened. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

5) Ti and Do at one point held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”.

TI told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

6) Ti and Do gave us instructions to think about what we might want in the world.

Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom and compared it to being in a snake pit. The “process” instruction they’d given us from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that.

However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

7) The first of two weekend long optional visits to our human families

Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had “anxiety” about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

8) The second  optional weekend long visit to our human families

I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

9) Mrcody (known now as Mark, one of the two Heaven’s Gate webmasters) and Srfody (known now as Sara, the other Webmaster are instructed by Do through each of their students to leave the classroom until such time as they are ready to accept all the lesson steps

In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to instill the recognition that what our Older Members say is what we must rise up to recognize. Thus is was also a way of helping deflate our self confidence and instead put all our confidence in our Older Members.

It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by.

The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

10) In about 1987 DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated and asked some if they had a reservation with taking that act.

At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. A day or so later, DO then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

11) DO offers any classmember $2000.00 to leave

It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

More accusations against Sawyer’s blog, video’s, Revelations Book by Carlan aka Crlody

October 19, 2017

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Carlan’s next comment on same youtube channel as above:
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Why should anyone listen to you when the group left a lot of information behind that they very specifically asked to be disseminated? Answer, you had some dreams that you expect us to believe were contacts from the NL. No thanks, I’d rather go to the pure, undiluted source rather than listen to your PERSONAL take on what the class was about.

Why do you think that you are more qualified to talk about the lessons in the Class than Ti and Do are? Answer, according to you “we have all the information that we need”. So, to you what Do said on the tapes to the students from 1985 to 1997 is not information we need but by your actions your blog, videos and book are info we need. No thanks, I’d rather listsen to Do than to your diluted ramblings about the Next Level. Do knew what He was talking about far more than you ever will. Do made sense to me, He was coherent. Your 19 years are NOTHING compared to the wisdom of Ti and Do. You arent qualified to explain what the class was about. Why do you think They left all of that info? They didnt leave you behind. Youre here because you are afraid to follow Them out of here. But like Rio and the Kings youve had to make up a big mission for yourself that you claim is for the NL in order to justify staying here and you get enboldened by all the individuals who follow your blog and videos. Theres nothing brave about what youre doing and even though youve been conned into believing that what youre doing is for the NL youre actually doing all of this for yourself. You dont get to be the arbiter of all things Heavens Gate just because you spent more time in the class than anyone else on the planet. I hate this place. Its a corrupt cesspool that corrupts our souls every day. The class’ info is still being suppressed and distorted and no one seems to care. All you seem to care about is getting recognition for your 19 years in thd class and continuing to add to your blog and your youtube channel and marketing your book as if its some kind of addendum to the HG Book. Ill pass on your book and your videos. You cant help me get closer to the NL. Get over yourself sawyer.?

 

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Sawyer’s reply:
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I guess you can ask anyone who watches these broadcasts why they would listen to me. So you are putting words in my mouth again. I doubt anyone at all listens to me because I had dreams. I’m not talking about it because of dreams (though I admit without the first bunch, I may not have come out of my fallen condition (to the degree I had fallen)).

I encourage everyone all the time to go to the pure information from Ti and Do and Crew. But that doesn’t automatically mean I’m necessarily “diluting” the pure unless I try to reinterpret what they said or give my “feelings” of what they said and interject my opinions about what they said (without including something else they said). If I am diluting wouldn’t that be on a case by case basis? I’m not saying I never have and I’m not saying I never will and I am saying that I’m always open to hearing from anyone that can show me where I might have departed from what’s pure from Ti and Do (and from Jesus).

re: Jesus – I don’t know if you knew that Ti and Do said we could trust everything Jesus was recorded to have said in the 4 gospels. I remember reading or hearing DO on a tape talk about how some of that record has been tampered with, but he still knew that the core of his teachings were fully in tact. Ti and Do said, the Next Level worked very hard to insure that that record was not lost or changed. They spoke of that parts we could count on as the Red Letters, referring to the way some bible editions of the King James put Jesus words in red letters. (you can check this out. You might find it in the audios. But you could also ask Mark and Sarah or any others that were in the classroom in the earliest years to confirm.

I never said I was more qualified to talk about the lessons in the class than Ti and Do are. You are saying I think that. Are you claiming to be psychically reading me? The truth is that I just can’t help but talk about my experiences. Maybe I just need to do that. Let’s say it’s a big ego trip for me. I’m not saying it is, but you have said that about me so I’ve considered it. If so, that’s between me and Ti and DO. Why is what I do so wrong in your mind by your standard, whatever that is? Show me how Ti and Do would disapprove? You can’t so you just make stuff up or take tiny stabs at the way I word my blog titles and descriptions and anything that might even hint at what you have a preconceived idea exists to prove yourself right to yourself.

Because of your constant and repeated over years disdain of anything I say or do (with perhaps a few tiny exceptions) I’ve wondered at times what you think “Standing for Ti and Do” means? Did we have any examples from Ti and Do and Jesus of what taking that “Stand” means to them?

I don’t know if you have ever answered any of my questions that come about because of your comments over the last 10+ years.

All you do is repeat the same stuff that tells me what I’m thinking and saying and doing and why as if you are judge and jury and the almighty student of Ti and Do.

When I hear this I tend to think, I better speak more because I know 100% is true that the Luciferian space alien fallen angels and all the discarnates on their team (know it or not) and all the humans who become their tools to work against the truth of the Next Level, want nothing better than for those who have the direct experience to shut up or twist – dilute and distort the truth from Ti and Do (as with Jesus and with Moses, etc.) and/or turn them against the Next Level in every which way conceivable.

I should be doing more video’s and will because something good is coming from it. I’m not saying Ti and Do need me or anyone else to bring that about. I am sure about that. The task of “standing for Ti and Do” is available to all of us who remain after their exit. But the facts are that the Next Level is not done with this human kingdom. They by DO’s account know there are people who will be among the “Second Type” – those who recognize DO as from the Next Level and are attempting to separate from the world but who were not ready to exit when they did or are not today ready to exit in the way they did. And then there is the “Third type” Do spoke about as those who were separating from their humanness in their own way who may not ever hear about Ti and Do.

So even if all the things you have said about me were true, so what? Let’s say I get to be a big shot and get to be in a movie or play my flute in some big venue’s or get to go on TV shows, blah, blah, blah, if I’m not saying things Ti and Do would disapprove of, like saying the “gate is closed” which some have said directly and indirectly and more people are taking another look at Ti and Do or a first look, how can that be wrong. Even if I became equivalent to a Luciferian space alien fallen angel because of all that fame going to my head in some way, why is this such a thorn in your side that you have to keep saying the same stuff over and over and over with less and less evidence that most any it would be of any concern to Ti and Do?

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crl ody’s comment to youtube video:
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It is the King’s choice to suppress the tapes, not Ti and Do’s. Are Ti and Do going to interfere with Mark and Sarahs free will? If we have “more than enough” of their mind written then by that logic we dont need any more written about what Ti and Do were about. We dont need books from former students. We dont need blogs from former students. We dont need videos made by former students. Former students can only give limited and diluted and quite possibly incorrect info on what Ti and Do were about. Ive seen this happen time and time again. RKK always felt that he was unqualified to explain what Ti and Do were about, hence his only interest was in disseminating the info as per the Class’ final requests. No one on this planet is qualified to or sanctioned by Ti and Di to explain what They were about. We did not act on dreams we had in the Class. We did not receive our instructions from the NL in dreams. Do addresses this on one of the audio tapes. These are Sawyers videos. They are not made by Ti and Do. These are Sawyers viewpoints, not Ti and Dos.?

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Sawyers reply:
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Crl Ody and anyone who comes upon this:

-I never said nor implied it was Ti and Do’s choice to suppress the tapes.

However, I believe it was a “test” they gave to Mark and Sarah in particular, since DO gave them the CHOICE of how to handle them as evidenced in the letters. In the letter addressed to Mrc/Srf are the main 5 points that show what was left as their task to choose to do, how and when.

All the audio tapes were in the storage they are speaking of here as “items” (point #1) and “items of value” (point #2)) and it’s clear that anyone who felt inclined to disseminate their information. Note they didn’t say anywhere what the limits were to disseminating their information, nor how to do it ie. blogs, videos, audios, spoken word, books, meetings, etc. That was left up to each individual.

1) “We put into storage items that we would prefer the authorities not have access to. You can do with those items whatever feels right to you. The only exception to this is some exercise equipment which belongs to our landlord, Sam, and we suspect he will want at some point.”

2) “Pursers have included an additional document as part of this packet that further covers the disposition of our cars and this truck. So we ask that you refer to that document for details. It is our desire that any items of value that are retrievable by you be divided among those who feel inclined to disseminate our information. Any of the funds you retrieve can be used towards that end and for the living expenses of those involving themselves in this project.”

3) Referring to a CBC producer/director named Debbie Geller, who wanted them (the class) to participate in a documentary, who worked out of the New York office, they wrote,

“So, for this reason, we are recommending that they be involved to some degree in the coverage of this event, that is, if their attitude seems to remain somewhat objective and you find working with them not too difficult. Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about.”

4) “Also we want to make it clear that we’re certainly not asking you to do these tasks if, after receiving this information, circumstances make It too difficult or other options seem more appropriate for you. We want you to feel free to exercise any available options with whatever timing feels right for your own next step. No doors are closed to you.”

5) “We also asked OSC to register the Heaven’s Gate book with the Library of Congress and that if he needed any funds to accomplish this, that you would cover it out of the project funds that you have on hand.”

6) In the letter addressed to RKK where he received their “hopes” he could accomplish, i.e. the press release, updates to the web site and some people they had been in touch with):

“Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about”

Thus speaking on their behalf was part of what they hoped He and thus any who felt to participate in their “project” (that referred to after their exit) would do. It’s also interesting that there were detailed instructions on how to handle their video tape exit statements and the Beyond Human Video tape series masters, indicating their wish that they are to be distributed for the “widest coverage” but said nothing about the audio tapes in storage. (I think it wasn’t spelled out because it was meant to be a test for all involved then and thereafter)

Here is the link to my blog post that includes a bit more:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/08/08/do-and-crews-instructions-on-handling-storage-locker-content-provided-choices-and-thus-tests-for-all/

-I don’t know if Ti and Do would “interfere with Mark and Sarah’s free will. They interfered with the Luciferians free will when they wiped out the Nephilim (human hybrids translated to “giants” in Genesis chapter 6 written by Moses that Ti and Do said some of was distorted) they seeded, with the Great Noah Flood? Ti and Do indicated The Kingdom of God interfered with allowing the Luciferians to suppress what Jesus said, so we could count on the current record in the four gospels.

How can you be so sure they wouldn’t interfere with Mark and Sarah’s continued suppression of the remaining audio tapes?

At this moment in time, as far as I’m aware, since we don’t know of anyone who has claimed to have those audio tapes, I believe that as of this moment we don’t actually need any more of their Informational Mind to show them what we need to show them. As you know DO said their information wasn’t meant to become a subject of study. We need to serve them and there is plenty to do to serve them with the existing materials.

I continue to “Stand for Ti and Do” which includes the dissemination of Their “Mind”. No one on earth is my judge in that regard. Their Mind is revealed in all the documentation they left behind that I have plenty of evidence in their materials left behind for us, counts the “records” they often spoke about and I recall clearly they said was from their Kingdom that includes what they said was the “Red Letters” in the gospel record and the related parts, they and Jesus referred to in the Book of Revelations and potentially any of the records that show the same consistent teachings. In 88Update, Do even quoted Paul’s writings in 1Cor 7:29 and 1Cor 7:32-35 about celibacy and marriage while knowing that Paul’s writings brought about significant distortion and dilutions of the true information from Jesus.

-You said “Students can only give limited and diluted and quite possibly incorrect info on what Ti and Do were about”. I agree that that can happen and does happen but the key word in that statement that is not factual to Ti and Do’s teachings is saying that “students can ONLY give limited…” It seems to me that saying this shows how you have made your cause into an all or nothing way of thinking about this. Ti and Do hardly spoke in such absolutes unless they knew it, so how is it that you act like you “know it”.

As I’ve said many times, show me the errors of my ways by showing me how Ti and Do taught otherwise (to any degree) and I’ll pay attention to that piece. If you don’t provide that evidence it’s just your opinion so what makes it any better than mine? It may even be giving incorrect information to make that unfounded very general blanket accusation.

-And who are you speaking of as “we” in saying these forms of communication are not needed. Isn’t that an individuals choice to determine what they derive value from or not? And why is it that Ti and Do always wanted students to serve in the dissemination of their Next Level mind by writing and talking and even thinking – (the strains of humans could benefit from thoughts and behaviors and ways of their students, as they could also be hampered by them, though all can be made a positive of), as shown in the audio tapes we have access to.

Why are you trying to suppress the expression of the many connections of Ti and Do’s material to the “records” and what they said and did that they never recorded in the years before they started taping that those who were with them then heard and experienced?

-I agree that dreams are not a way to receive instructions or new information yet you keep repeating that as if I did say that.

Rkkody did write about the Next Level. There is the document, “what if they’re right” and the other I’m aware of was “During a brief window of time some may wish to follow us”.

Here is the later one with Rkkody interpreting what DO said. But before I provide it, maybe you can answer a question I have – who is “we” in this document? I only ask that in case it was you, NOT to criticize Rkkody. I am NOT saying I disagree with what he says here. Plus, why is it that you allowed yourself to be photographed holding Deb’s book “Closing the Gate”?:

“When Do said: “During a brief window of time, some may wish to follow us” we don’t feel
this is limited only to former class members and to the best of our knowledge He did not
assign anyone the task of announcing when that gate was closed. None of us are qualified to
determine how long this brief window exists.

When we have our Older Member with us, we are not assigned tasks by having a little voice
come into our heads saying “I think I have this task to do.” We learned very early not
to trust any thoughts that would come into our heads or listen to little voices telling us
we should do this or that. Ti and Do did not ask anyone to leave the class because They
felt an individual might have another Next Level mission outside of the classroom, however,
some were asked to separate from the class in order to work on their overcoming at a
distance.

Those who chose to leave the class, left entirely because they chose NOT to continue
serving their Older Member.

[Are we who left not serving our Older Member if we disseminate their information?]

We learned by experience that when an Older Member is present on the planet, any
communication from the Next Level is directed through Their representative. It is
considered very inappropriate to make suggestions to this Representative (Ti and Do), for
tasks we may want to do. If The Next level wanted us to do a task They would assign it
through our Older Member directly (verbally), not by mental telepathy or little voices in
our heads. We are not aware that Do assigned anyone the task of announcing when the “Brief
Window” is closed. No one can say with certainty that this “brief window” is closed.
Only an Older Member from the Next Level would be in a position to state when that gate is
closed. And we are not aware of any Older Members here now.”

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jason (crlody) comments on 3spm (sawyer’s youtube channel):

“Once we leave, then base your decisions using the criteria of the information we’ve left behind for you” DRR. “only through a REP, or information left behind by a REP, can an individual learn what it takes to become a new creature that is acceptable to enter the Kingdom of Heaven”-SMM.

“Any information that seems to come through that cant be helpful in the overcoming process might have earmarks of being separate or unnecessary information, and I don’t feel that our Father’s Kingdom sends unnecessary information. That’s what happens when questions come up that have relatively no significance, no real relationship to our overcoming. We can get into theorizing about things that might go on in the heavens that really have nothing to do with our overcoming. And we can play the game of exploring a little bit, but it opens the door to possibly listening to other voices or letting SELF come in, and/or playing the game of “what if” or guessing what it might be……We feel like it really isn’t important; it’s of no issue to your overcoming”-Do.

Hmmmm, sort of like speculating about Ceres and on and on. Fun little games but irrelevant as far as one’s overcoming. “If you can look at it in that light, and just simply be amused by it, because we’re not trying to lock in on what we’re doing with fulfillment of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation” Do.

So, when Do was here He didn’t care much about these kind of speculations but now that He’s gone the Next Level has tasked you, Sawyer, with interpreting Revelation in order to prove who Ti and Do are along with all the other speculations that you have engaged in. And I’m supposed to believe that all these things that you speculate on are part of a task for the Next Level? Your interpretations of Revelation and things that are happening on Ceres or anywhere in the heavens aren’t going to help anyone with their overcoming. And if they can’t help anyone with their overcoming then they have “no real significance”, they are “fun little games but irrelevant”. I think that sums up your self-appointed mission derived from your dreams quite well, it’s a fun little game that you’re playing Sawyer but it is irrelevant. And if it’s irrelevant I think it’s a pretty strong possibility that your mission wasn’t imparted to you by Ti and Do. And if your self-appointed task didn’t come from Ti and Do then where did it come from Sawyer??

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Sawyer’s reply:

CRL ODY and anyone who comes upon this:

I don’t know what you are trying to prove by Drrody and Smmody’s quotes. I do use as my critera the information left behind. Read and watch everything and see for yourself. It’s why I don’t post the myriad of things I come across that I can’t link in some way to things I observed and learned in the classroom which at this time includes everything Jesus said in the red letters and in his direct references to the Book of Revelations that Ti and Do also referenced parts of and never said couldn’t include all of it, though admittedly I can be off to degrees in some of what I think I understand. That’s part of what we are up against now. Millions think those scriptures mean this and that when I can see more of what they mean. The same with the many “SIGNS” in the heavens. Ti and Do introduced me to the SIGNS via paying attention to the way the Next Level delivered lessons during the solstices and equinox. In the 1990’s DO instigated our examination of preachers talking about prophecy. Srrody even started to teach himself to read Hebrew that DO instigated the option to do. What did that have to do with our “overcoming”. Everything, I say because DO instigated it. Ti and Do instigated the view of a Comet as a sign, not me, when they spoke about how comet kohoutek came to perihelion when their car broke down in St. Louis and they rented that car using one of DO’s old credit cards that resulted in their arrest later.

It was TI and DO that said their first 3 points of awakening were that they were from outer space, the Kingdom of Heaven, here to “bring updates to the bible” and to “fulfill prophecy”. They never listed all the updates to the bible. But they did assign Dncody the task of “rewriting the bible” as I understood it, though I never heard anything further about that until Dncody left.

And you will note I spent a great deal of time with the fact that the New Horizon’s spacecraft photographed Pluto with the teachings from Ti and Do that Pluto could have been a spacecraft Lab, so again not from my mind to think.

The Overcoming Classroom was not a time to spend hardly any time on prophecy or Jesus teachings or the Revelations so yes it was amusing to do. But now when there are millions who say they believe in Jesus yet refuse to look at his (The same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus) I believe is crucial to offering them that “look”. However, that’s not why I wrote a book about it. I wrote the book because I had to write the book and I don’t care that many hate me and it for doing so. I’m in good company for it, that I know. So go ahead carlan, get your beef off, shoot your arrows, join the thousands who do the same if that’s what so floats your boat. It’s your choice just like I’m making my choices. I wonder if you ever think about what Do might say today about what I’ve written? Do you ever consult with DO about what you write against me? I do think about what Do might say about the things I write to you and admit have to hold the way the influences would have me use my tongue.

Are you against people seeing more about Ti and Do because they had a sense about things Jesus said and his prophecies and the signs of the times? Some have told me that’s what brought them to looking at Ti and Do, so nothing you can say will stop me from continuing. I will stop when Ti and Do decide it’s enough and I’m no longer capable or exit this vehicle by whatever means.

My whole book is full of these kinds of observations linking things (Signs) Ti and Do and/or Jesus said a tiny bit about that I ended up seeing as interpretations of the Revelations and Jesus gospel teachings so your finding fault with my efforts is once again far astray.

But even so, at the very least you can write me off as “playing the game of exploring a little bit,” as Do indicated was okay, didn’t he. He didn’t say it was wrong to do did he? He didn’t give instruction to those who might believe and want to serve after His overcoming classroom had finished, what they could be interested in exploring, did he? He did give instructions on what the formula was and he put it into Three types with the overall formula being stated by Jwnody in ‘”Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure’: that is summed up as the overriding qualification being to “Stand for Ti and Do” until we exit.

I know what that means and it’s hardly a static sending files to people or talking on video’s or writing blogs but that time of test of each one of us is only just beginning, I assure you.

Many people can see right through your making absolute statements about what will help anyone with their overcoming. That’s evidence of the same self righteous indignation as we see throughout the religions that you never saw out of Ti or Do’s mouth yet you use it as a mockery of me.

I try to discern between those “other voices” Do might be referring to. I’ve heard a bunch. Sometimes I can be off track in that regard, I know and sure I can let SELF come in and I know well how “what if” can distract from accepting the truth and we can make up excuses for anything but doing the tasks we’ve been given to “STAND for TI and DO” is the overriding task at this time is it not.

By the way, if you are going to quote DO then I think it would be DISTORTING what he said to capitalize a word that wasn’t capitalized in the original document. I know I have “SELF”, don’t you? Who are you working for to spend all this time and energy with nothing to say but draw straws that might be construed as criticism of me with the hope for what – to get me to stop talking about Ti and Do and MY relationship with them?

To follow is the segment CRL ODY was partially quoting from Beyond Human, Session 7, which brings a better context as well as there were many instances in the classroom to be heard in the audio tapes, even on the Blackhawk tapes where DO did explore certain subjects stimulated by classmates questions and sometimes He or Ti would say it’s not important to our task. It is quite clear that the “classroom” with the Older Members has passed and now it’s in a different phase. We don’t have instructions on what to eat and what not to eat, what kind of things we find pleasure in, what kind of out of craft tasks to seek, what kind things to study or research or inquire about. But that doesn’t mean Ti and Do want us to stop our seeking of the truth through any avenues we choose.

Here’s Do’s statement:

“There’s so much that I can’t understand from where I sit, because even playing the role of teacher and a vessel with students and potentially with more students, relatively very little information is funneled through that Teacher role. Because only the information that is funneled can be helpful. Any information that seems to come through that can’t be helpful in the overcoming process might have earmarks of being separate or unnecessary information, and I don’t feel that our Father’s Kingdom sends unnecessary information. That’s what happens when questions come up that have relatively no significance, no real relationship to our overcoming. We can get into theorizing about things that might go on in the heavens that really have nothing to do with our overcoming. And we can play the game of exploring a little bit, but it opens the door to possibly listening to other voices or letting self come in, and/or playing the game of “what if” or guessing what it might be. I know that at times we, Ti and I, have guessed. When we do guess at questions that the students might ask, we try to say, “We don’t know. We’re guessing. It hasn’t been clarified to us.” And ultimately, after discussing it for a moment, we usually say, “We feel like it really isn’t important; it’s of no issue here to your overcoming.” What is shared is so limited – we know so little of that Kingdom.”

Jesus was also in the teaching role so to examine what he said to “observe” in his coming, which Ti and Do talked about as coming after they left, is part of that, though that coming was not a “teaching task” incarnate as they had. They said that in the document that was printed in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary. Here is a link to little parts of it I transcribed so you can see I didn’t make it up and am not “guessing” about it either or listening to other voices.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

I only answer you, so your voice is not left unchecked in this public square, the same as I do with all the trolls and mockers and judgemental scoffers. You are most often making “false accusations” against your neighbor (me), but I guess you don’t know any better so I’m not angry with you. You appear to hold yourself as the only former member who is righteous. You had no forgiveness for XF, nor me for the few things I have admitted not being proud of saying. (That’s not saying I think a lot of what I say is of value necessarily). Even though it’s easy to point out things Mark and Sarah and Rio have said as not from Ti and Do’s mind or the opposite, you resorted to name calling and condemnation of them when you have no right in Ti and Do’s mind to do so.

Bring specific things up to me and I’ll address them one by one. If you don’t agree then at least you’ve offered me something. These quotes from DO are welcomed but so far are hard to see as applying to now in the exact same way they applied to the classroom.

Do spoke of Armageddon. The only place that’s mentioned is in the Revelations. He spoke of how the Next Level would come back (after his exit). He spoke about the way the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens would be creating their last ditch effort to capture souls. He spoke about the most accurate meaning of rapture. He spoke about the Revelation 12 woman, but that one you may not know about and lots more so I’m following in excellent footsteps even though I am perhaps doing a poor job.

Another set of accusations against sawyer by crlody that are totally false and why:

http://www.sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2018/03/01/rkkodys-standing-for-ti-and-do-and-sawyers-reply-to-more-crlody-accusations/

DO’s reference to His Students as the Twenty four “Elders” in the Revelation

October 19, 2017

Question to Sawyer:

So when in the Beyond Human tapes Do talked about students of his potentially being other’s older members, it is still separate from adult Older Members? I’m speaking of the part where he talked about being “grandfather” to younger members.?

Reply from Sawyer:

Here is the segment from session one of the Beyond Human series that I believe is part of what you are referring to: (Two students were sitting with DO during filming acting as his “helpers” with questions)

“Well, this little classroom that dwindled to 50, and then dwindled down to a couple dozen, have now reached a condition where they have overcome the world enough to relate in a position up a notch as Elders, or Older Members, to anyone else that they can help in their own overcoming. Yes, that means these two here who’ve been sitting here this whole hour with me and haven’t asked me a blooming thing (laughs). But, I know they like to hear about the Kingdom of Heaven. And they know how filled I am with it. And I know how filled they are with it.”

(Note this is also where DO indicates his students then were numbered at “a couple dozen” and were “elders” that can be related directly to the prophecies in Revelations about the “four and twenty elders”)

In terms of DO being a “grandfather” to some who at that time he considered might be watching those same Beyond Human video’s in the future, he said in Session 11 that was part of his response about Next Level patience:

“I can imagine that sometimes, as some of the classroom watches these tapes, they can recognize that there’s a certain amount of relationship that I might be having with the viewer on the other end of that camera that might be slightly different from my relationship with them at times. I think we’ve even discussed it. In a sense, I almost feel like a twice-removed…or a grandfather speaking to a grandchild. Of course, I’m speaking to you as someone who might be wondering if they are standing outside of the vehicle that they are using, and wondering if they want to take it over and pursue this. And since we are given the task of trying to give that to you, and since we’re so eager for you to participate in it, for it to become yours, then we are influenced by that.”

Then in session 9 DO indicates that he might end up being a “grandfather” to those watching this video because graduate students might then become “teachers”

(Since making these tapes were the “Step” given to him from his Older Member, TI (while Ti was outside the vehicle Ti took), DO didn’t know at that time they’d all be exiting together and he didn’t know if He would exit before them, which he also addressed by referring to people coming in this direction towards connection with Him and His Kingdom afterwards as needing to seek to “connect” with an “Active Student”. See the documents, “DO’s Intro: Purpose – Belief” and “Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure
By Jwnody – dated April 8, 1996):

“But I want to make the point a little bit more clearly that these sessions and these tapes are, in a sense, teaching tools for the students – to get that idea a little more clearly in our heads. In other words, my relationship with you in a sense is symbolic, and in a sense it isn’t. If this task proceeds, my relationship with you might end up being more as grandfather to grandson, and these students might serve more in the capacity as teacher since they are older than you. I don’t know if that has clarified in your mind, but it might have if other things that we have said had added up at this time. If they have completed sufficient overcoming of their own in this task, and they received instruction to put the information out, even though the way that instruction came was to do it in this method, then they are in a real sense going to serve in the teacher role with you, or in a sense, in the “midwifing” or the father relationship, if you don’t use that as a spiritual term. In other words, if they have completed enough overcoming that they could move right now into our Father’s Kingdom, and even move into a physical vehicle of our Father’s Kingdom, no longer occupying the vehicle they are in, whether this one or the one that they’re in is changed over into that new vehicle or another one altogether, then they don’t need to come back to the human kingdom unless sent. That’s the instruction we have received – that that’s the case.”

Now my use of the term “Adult” came from DO, but I don’t know how to locate it, but may be in the audio tapes we have access to as I believe he would have said it while Ti was incarnate. I recall DO saying that the term adultery meant, “not becoming an adult”, which in it’s purest form means that person has compromised their commitment to the teachings of the most current Older Member REP from the Next Level. That commitment or said as “covenant” grew with each trimester in the overall “overcoming classroom” to where by Ti and Do’s arrival meant to have no commitment to anyone else besides DO (As TI instructed us to “make our committal to DO).

Update: I found one place where that was documented in a little booklet Ti and Do and a crew put together that I only first saw after we moved into houses around 1980. It was called “Ruffles Snacks for Thinkers”.

-“To commit adultery could mean that one fails to act like an adult.”

-“Man does not have to see things as he always saw them before. Man is designed to see things as he never saw them before—to see them in a higher way than ever before. This is the kind of change that must take place before man becomes an adult.”

Here is a link to Ruffles on my blog: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/ruffles-snacks-for-thinkers/

But I also thought I read or heard that term “adult” used as referring to a Next Level Older or Younger Member vehicle, neither of which any of the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens ever had. (DO indicated in Session 1 of the Beyond Human Series that the vehicle Lucifer had when he was serving in the Next Level was “certainly not born of woman”. This is recorded in Beyond Human Session 1. Here is that segment:

“We’ve already discussed that we believe that in the Jewish and Christian literature, the physical record is there connecting those people with the real Kingdom of God. And they speak of someone else. They speak of an individual that was once in the household of God, in the literal Heavens, was a son of God and
got too big for his britches, and thought that he could do a better job than his Father, or his Older Member. Not that he was born of a wife of his Father, because the body that he had in the Kingdom of Heaven was certainly not born of woman. Don’t forget that in the Kingdom of Heaven, babies are born by the souls that overcome the human condition. When they overcome the human condition and then are moved into the Kingdom of Heaven, then they’re “babies.” And those that took them in are then like their foster parents or their keepers, their babysitters, their teachers, their rabbi’s, their connection, their “piece of pipe,” their link with the Chief of Chiefs of that Kingdom.”

DO refers to “babies” in the Next Level and how their vehicles are grown as “Next Level bodies” in “’88 UPDATE – THE UFO TWO AND THEIR CREW”: (The Luciferians never graduated to receive Next Level bodies, though they weren’t born of woman either so must have been some model of physical vehicle that still had the capacity to act in mammalian ways).

“Our understanding is that Next Level bodies (the normal bodies for that Kingdom level, in the same way that human bodies are the norm for the human kingdom) are grown as plants from a vine, and at the end of their gestation period, they are fully grown and functional, not “babies” as are the products of human “seed-bearing plants.” There seem to be actual grafting processes used and genetic binding from Older Members. “I am the vine, ye are the branches” – could that mean something more than previously thought?”

In the Blackhawk audio tapes DO talks about how Adam’s body, (though also not born of woman) went through a “reverse metamorphosis” into human behaviors. Since Ti and Do taught that the Adam experiment was set up to become a testing ground for new membership for Souls who had grown to some equivalent degree to the Luciferian souls, I surmised that Adam’s vehicle may have been of some equivalence to the vehicles grown for the Luciferians to use when they began to serve the Next Level in crews in spacecrafts.

If you ever come upon the use of Adult or Student in reference to a Next Level “grown” vehicle please let me know. But I may cease using those terms and replace them with more appropriate terms that are regularly used by Ti and Do and Crew even though it may require more words.

 

Introduction to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate by Sawyer

October 6, 2017

I have had a stock statement I always sent to people who come to my facebook page and request to become a “friend”. I just updated it since some new media is being publicized by a couple big media groups who I gave interviews to. That’s what follows:

Introduction to Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate by Sawyer

For the record, I am not starting a group or cult or trying to be anyone’s leader, or teacher, nor fostering any kind of relationship with anyone sexual or otherwise beyond communications related to my 19 years of experience as a student in Ti and Do’s “classroom”. The “classroom” as it was under Ti and Do’s direction does not and can not exist anymore. And I’ve never kept track of who tells me they believe in Ti and Do.

I discourage anyone who tells me they are considering suicide. That has happened several times over the years.

I don’t believe anyone now is in the same place as those 38 students who laid down their human lives in 1997. Dying is not an automatic ticket into Heaven as has been generally taught in some religious and spiritual belief systems. DO and Crew wrote,

“We know that it is only while we are in these physical vehicles (bodies) that we can learn the lessons needed to complete our own individual transition, as well as to complete our task of offering the Kingdom of Heaven to this civilization one last time. We take good care of our vehicles so they can function well for us in this task, and we try to protect them from any harm.”

You can read more about how they thought about suicide in this document that is posted on the Heavens Gate Website that I re-posted to my blog at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/23/our-position-against-suicide-by-do-and-crew-posted-on-heavensgate-com/

Further perspectives of suicide are explained in a document one of Ti and Do’s students wrote that was included in their Heaven’s Gate Book, along with many other subjects is here:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/evolutionary-rights-for-victims/

Here is a link to Ti and Do’s first public statement written in 1975:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-first-statement/

A free download is still available of DO and Crews Book entitled, ‘How and When “Heaven’s Gate” (The Door to the Physical Kingdom Level Above Human) May Be Entered’, from their website:

http://www.heavensgate.com

Though I know well my two former classmates who still maintain that website, I have no affiliation.

I provide most of the same documents, plus links to the Beyond Human video series and other related materials TI and DO and Crew made on my blog at:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/book-appendix-links/
(This document is the appendix of my book)

Here is a link to one of three audio tapes that were recorded of both Ti and Do speaking. There are many more available freely to those who ask for them:

Blackhawk 1 of 3 – Ti and Do re adam eve lucifers prison

To see some of what DO wrote about the Space Aliens in an informational ad placed in USA Today on May 27 1993:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/06/27/usa-today-adstatement-may-27-1993-by-do-the-rev-6-applewhite-horse/

To see what DO wrote when he felt it time to state he was the return of the same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus. He never said he was “Jesus” because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level took to perform his task through:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/10/22/undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

My book, entitled, ‘TI and DO The Father and “Jesus” Heaven’s Gate UFO Two Witnesses’ is available for free and for purchase as an ebook and/or softcover.

Here is the link to my book web site that also includes a big section of the book on the blog there:

http://www.tianddothefatherandjesusheavensgateufotwowitnesses.com/
(Purchasing it through this link goes through my publisher so is not the most economical way to get the softcover.)

My book is free by copying and pasting from my blog. Here is the link to the first of seven sections of the book. It’s very long so I had to break it up to post it all:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/01/26/ti-and-do-the-father-and-jesus-heavens-gate-ufo-two-witnesses/
(Just search my blog on the title for the remaining 6 sections)

More economical and practical ways to get my book is by buying the ebook using a Kindle reader off of Amazon and/or as a softcover on Barnes and Nobel and like I said through my publisher who also has a number of other ebook formats available.

For the record, though I do collect royalties for book sales, I did not write it to make money with. To make money with it, there were many other ways to write it.

Though I believe the writing of this book was a task Ti and Do offered me to do, I can’t prove that to anyone as I never received that task from their mouth, so perhaps it’s not. I did not leave their “classroom” to perform such task. I flunked out and simply have another chance to learn the lessons I needed to learn.

The book’s content attempts to bring evidence of how Ti and Do were the fulfillment of all of Jesus’ (Second Coming) prophecies to include the Book of Revelations, though much of that material is still in process of fulfillment. I did a great deal of translation examination that took me into the Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek word manuscript origins.

Plus I always strove to stay in context. Ti and Do always said that the Next Level worked very hard to preserve an accurate enough record of what Jesus said, as seen in a red letter edition of the New Testament.

Believe it or not, that doesn’t make me religious or even Christian, in the ways those labels imply. They are historic records and the religions arose as a distortion and dilution of what Jesus taught, mostly occurring by the varied interpretations of those records.

Also for the record, there are some who have posed as facebook “friends” trying to catch or harass me in some way, which I know is part of the territory to deal with, which is why I say all this to new “friends”. I never make a friend requests though I have joined some groups to be included in certain conversations to share some of what I’ve learned as I know there are some who are interested when they hear certain perspectives about Ti and Do and Crew.

However I never automatically preach or bring up Ti and Do but am also not slow to talk about them should something they say stimulate a perspective I got from them.

There is a heavensgate facebook group that I did not start but I was included as a owner of the group. I only keep it active to keep it away from charlatans, however seemingly well intended. I only say this to explain it’s presence on my facebook page Sawyerhg.wordpress.com since it would appear to be a group I support but do not.

Many of the friends on this facebook page are simply curious and most often I don’t know who believes in Ti and Do and to what degree and don’t seek to find out. There are a few exceptions who have helped me with little projects and to which I have helped them with their little projects, like videos.

But there are no secret pacts or plots or core new believers. We each only answer to Ti and Do in our individual relationships the same as anyone, whether people know of Ti and Do or not.

Many of us humans have had a real relationship with the Next Level, thinking of Them as their Heavenly Father or their Higher Power or God or Allah or Buddha or Krishna, etc. At the same time many use such terms and think they have a connection they don’t as Jesus said would happen during this time period especially. Even so we can’t judge another in this regard. Even if a human is acting in ways that are contrary to Next Level qualifying behaviors and ways, none of us know when they might change and how fast.

Ti and Do indicated that there are no other Older Members on earth to perform this task and none to come during this civilization so anyone who claims to be their return or their reincarnation or to be receiving information from them, like as a channel or as a remote viewer, contactee or psychic reader, or using the name Jesus or other Biblical figures as in the Two Witnesses are either deluded, even tricked by the various lower forces or lying.

TI and DO said that choosing to become an atheist can be a good step away from religion and spirituality, though all paths in the human kingdom can lead to the top of the human mountain. However, there is only one way off that mountain top and that’s by going through the lesson steps provided by someone who evolved beyond the human kingdom, evidenced by their teaching the separation from the human kingdom (even though it will be in degrees and always by our own choices).

One of ways to correctly interpret the term antichrist could be as one who is anti the Christing process that of course Jesus established. That “process” is the overcoming process that each human must engage by seeking the Mind (holy spirit) – from the Next Level via the information they taught while incarnate. Calling on the name Jesus can be answered by any number of discarnates or Luciferian space alien fallen angel souls which is part of why Jesus taught to project our asking to our “Father in Heaven” as the discarnates and space aliens can not actually travel very far from the earth anymore.

Thus when we see “signs” in outer space, perhaps as near as the moon, since Jesus said they would be in the Sun, Moon and Stars that would include planets and comets, etc., they are from the Next Level.

I am transparent with my life but not with personal info or the personal info on any other former members of the group who I still have some contact with whether they still believe in Ti and Do or not.

If you wish to review my little bio, for whatever it might be worth, it’s found on my blog at:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/sawyers-storyraptured-by-the-rev-11-two-witnesses-bo-dojesus-and-peeptifathers-second-coming/

How Sawyer fell by giving into sexuality in Ti & Do’s classroom and then dropping out by choice:
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/sawyers-experience-with-sexuality-in-ti-dos-classroom/

Here are some Q and A but there are a lot more on my blog:

I was asked if I still followed the teachings of Ti and Do.

Sawyer’s reply: yes, as best I can, like according to the “Major and Lesser Offenses” and the “17 Steps” and other guidelines, though in this very different application, not having Ti or Do or fellow classmates present and having gone back into the world and started a human family, who I continue to help (now 20 yr old daughter), but I have had no relationships or sexuality with anyone for the last four years. However, I do find myself slipping in some of the behaviors at times so it’s a continuous process to maintain. When we slip from the standards, whether they are Ti and Do’s and/or the Jesus standards, it’s important not to let that become a reason to become separate minded from Ti and Do, that is if we want to be of one Mind with them. We can easily think that if I don’t do everything perfectly I might as well not do anything – a Luciferian ploy to turn our eyes away from doing our best for Ti and Do and their Next Level. The Next Level doesn’t need any of us to believe in them in any way. We must qualify to their standards though they give us lots of help and time to do. The traps are many but we can recover from all of them to keep moving forward.

To someone who says they have started a “Heaven’s Gate Militia” I replied:

I don’t condone violence against the govt or anyone. If we were to think of ourselves as soldiers for Ti and Do (of the real Jesus) it would be by use of our mouth – in words – the words that Ti and Do and Jesus provided us (that they also said included the red letters in the gospels, and their references to the Book of Revelations to help people see their ideas, perspectives and qualifications to become a prospective member of their Next Level Above Human.

The truth about Ti and Do will soon be lost as upon their exit started the gradual diminishing of the “light” they brought to the world. If you want a bundle of their materials give me an email address as the bundle includes audio files of meetings within the group since the early 1980’s that I was present for.

There are many misconceptions abounding and in Christian circles. Many started with the writings of Paul of Tarsus who never knew Jesus and never received instruction from him, nor was he tasked as a delegate (apostle) on his behalf. An Older Member doesn’t come incarnate if there is any other way to teach their student body what it takes to make application into membership in the Next Level.

For Christians to base what they believe on what Moses wrote, except for the things Jesus said to believe and act on, is like applying lessons given to toddler Souls when by the Jesus time they could be having a high school curriculum approaching graduation.

For instance Ti and Do were not pro or con abortion. They are always pro choice though our choices are not always going to be what they would choose and it’s not easy knowing what they would choose unless we ask them to reveal it to us.

Ti and Do said it was against their Next Level ways to be making weapons designed to kill other humans let alone using them for killing. There is no justification, but that’s to please the Next Level, which is always a choice.

Ti and Do said that it doesn’t matter one’s sexual preferences as to graduate the human kingdom one must become non-sexual because Members of the Next Level are non-sexual so one needs to build their Mind starting in the human kingdom to be “born” into their kingdom. I recall DO saying that those who are homosexual have overcome gender consciousness, though not necessarily sexual consciousness.

Ti and Do said we were all striving to be “color blind” in terms of race so we don’t act any differently to someone based on the race of their vehicle.

TI and DO were supportive of euthanasia when a human vehicle is so wrought with pain and/or has no capacity any longer to function and/or have experiences to learn lessons through.

There really is no comparison with Ti and Do and any other cults. Ti and Do referred to their group as the “cult of cults” and the “cult of truth”. There is a great deal of evidence of how Ti and Do had a way of naturally filtering out those who were not serious enough to go the full distance of graduating though they always treated each student as if they could go that full distance.

There were no abuses and there is no dirt in the Ti and Do story. Some have tried to find dirt and didn’t find any, even after listening to hundreds of hours of audio tapes. Even a number of dropouts who ceased to believe in Ti and Do have next to nothing to say against them. One said that they didn’t provide enough dental care options to students, though I got plenty of dental care. Yes there were lots of rules that developed over time but never any yelling or use of guilt or punishments or other human behaviors that are common in many organizations.