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TI and DO Classroom Meeting Transcript Links

December 4, 2019
The Heaven’s Gate Book contains the transcripts of the Beyond Human Video tape series
Here is what I have that’s been posted on my blog:
TI and DO Audio Transcript 005 – Program for Perfect Health by Meditation to Eliminate Stress
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/13/ti-and-do-audio-transcript-005-program-for-perfect-health-by-meditation-to-eliminate-stress/
TI and DO transcript #53 – Lessons on Following Instructions as a Member of the Next Level Would
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/05/12/ti-and-do-transcript-53-lessons-on-following-instructions-as-a-member-of-the-next-level-would/
TI and DO transcript #215 – Re-Establishing The Committal
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/05/06/ti-and-do-audio-transcript-215-re-establishing-the-committal-05-09-85/
TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA – 5-22-94 parts 1 and 2
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/24/do-audio-transcript-combo-mt-cross-ca-parts-1-and-2-5-22-94/
Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled – transcript from Do’s videotape
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/
TI and DO – #95 – Listing Our Task – 02-14-1984 (audio transcription)
https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2019/04/29/ti-and-do-listing-our-task-02-14-1984-audio-transcription/

DO Audio Transcript – Inverness CA May 1994 – Part 4 of 8 – Controlling Our Thoughts, Eyes, Ears and Hands

July 13, 2019
(Transcribed by Nisha – Edited by Sawyer)
DO: What about that door?
Drr: I’m not sure – we can close it.
DO: you probably could hear someone approaching better if we didn’t?
Chk: …think… haven’t come up…
DO: okay
DO: Let’s talk for a few minutes about application of technique of change, becoming a new creature I hate to even use that term because it sounds like some spiritual process. Well I guess it is because it’s getting rid of the old spirit and bringing in the new Next Level stuff.

It’s interesting to me that, in the night I was – well I told you in last night’s meeting that the Next Level Mind probably had the shape of, you know arms and legs, the image that we think of… Oh was that the mic?

Student: Yeah.

DO: Oh, I’ll try to keep my hands off of it.

This sounds a little crazy and sounds a little far out and not information I’m saying is gospel but the thought that occurred to me that the Next Level Mind can take on whatever shape, can take over the shape of the vehicle that will service it for the task that is assigned.

Theoretically, probably then, outside of any vehicle, that Mind can very easily just be a blob if it wasn’t into a vehicle to function, according the mechanism of a vehicle, and of course the mechanism of the vehicle is, just as a computer has certain hardware, certain software just as the human animal we occupy now has a brain that has certain capacities, and the electrical system of it and that different vehicles have different systems that can handle the task, so the reason I guess that was given to me was because it helped me understand that what we had identified TI as – in the time that when these in the class associated with TI in a physical vehicle we felt we pictured TI as the vehicle that she was wearing, well ‘she’ not TI, was wearing, because the vehicle was ‘she’, TI certainly wasn’t ‘she’.

And yet the picture I had that when TI – when the allotment for the amount of TI that was to be given away or taken – in other words I take I take from TI – this is you know when you take nourishment from your Older Member you actually take the Mind. It goes in, it fills you it’s the Mind its stuff that comes through me and there is an allotment of that Mind for this task just as there’s an allotment as far as what was assigned to TI’s vehicle. Now I don’t necessarily know all that was in TI’s vehicle at any given time was all of that allotment or if TI could draw from certain amount of other allotment but when that allotment ran out then that’s all there was for that allotment of that task.

But that allotment that was given was not TI at all. It was that little portion of TI that was allotted for that task that we identified with.
So, if there was a little of TI left at the time that the vehicle collapsed then that little blob just went and added back to the blob that is TI. Do you follow what I’m saying?

And would probably had been enough of a blob to add to the vehicle that was TI to have in the memory of the task.

So that then TI used to always say that she — that there was part of TI in spacecraft or there was part of TI and Do in spacecraft. So it helped — well this is kind of corny but a bunch of Jesus’ disciples left him when he started saying you know: “Unless you drink My blood and eat My flesh you know you won’t enter the Kingdom of Heaven.” and it was unless you take that Mind unless you use it as nourishment unless it becomes a part of you unless it’s the building blocks for your own mind – your possession, it’s not really yours, it’s Next Level Mind but it’s yours for the time that you have it within your keeping. And like we spoke of last night and unless you abuse it then it’s taken away from you.

Even when it’s taken from you there still remains a memory in the hardware of what was there and like there’s some students now that were in the classroom for an extended period of time and are not in the classroom and yet they’re plagued by what is still in their memory bank. It disturbs them because they know that what they knew it was right and that they knew that it was true and they try to get rid of it because in order to be comfortable in the world they don’t like to be plagued with this being true because there’s conflict for a student to try and get comfortable back in the world. Some of you know what I’m talking about?(*class laughs*)

Okay let’s talk about the technique of expelling Mind that is not compatible Mind that we have to abort in order to receive more Mind.
By the way, I felt like I gave a lot away last night now I couldn’t have given it away had you not drank it. Had you not pulled it in and in other words… I was trying to give it away and you took it. And I could feel that a great deal of it was taken from me and that makes me very very happy, for you! Because the more that I give away the closer I’m getting to the completion of my task and the more you’re becoming products that can be viable or individuals that can be viable and not need to worry about losing your life as long as you’re hooked.

When you can stay hooked on the Next Level and that’s all you want and you’re hooked on your Older Members and you’re hooked on others who are doing this and there’s such a bond there, such a new grafting that’s taking place and you’re hooked then you’re in an excellent position to grow very quickly and to receive a lot and you– whoops, sorry (*mic problem*)

Okay I still haven’t got around what I wanted to talk about and I said that 60 minute tape would be adequate.

Okay some real practical application. I think what you want to get into the regular habit of doing is start sustaining a consciousness 24 hours a day of examining the quality of what is in your head and examining: Are the thoughts that I’m thinking compatible with my Older Members Mind? Are they thoughts of the Next Level or are they thoughts of the world?

In other words, am I – is it a mixture that’s oil and water and doesn’t mix. In other words examine what is in your Mind, examine what is in the impulses of the animal that you’re wearing. And this can be done, this primarily has to be done in your silence. You don’t have to sit and twiddle your thumbs or be in a meditative state it’s whatever you’re doing wherever you’re going – whether your doing Fibre-Lab or vital signs or working in Consuming Lab if you were to examine the quality of the thoughts that are passing through your head and make a habit of examining them and sorting them out as: “this is appropriate, this is inappropriate” and aborting those things that are not–now how do I abort?

You have to, you have to kind of format your language and the strength of impression behind your language just as you would have a delete key on your computer when you say “get out!” or “Good night I don’t want that” or “Stop it!” or “get out of here” now “Get out of here” is probably one of the most used phrases in our whole word processing now first of all we probably recognize it and say oh good might! I didn’t realize what I was entertaining — so when it becomes distasteful and you recognize that it’s not compatible with Next Level Mind or Older Members Mind then you immediately delete or say get out. Actually, run it out it is like a presence that can be run out. I won’t call it a living presence because I can’t really think that the Mind of this world has seekers status – this is living matter that you’re putting in now, that’s not living matter but nevertheless it is a blob of information that does respond to your command in the same way that spirits are run off when you exorcize spirits or whatever.
You actually have to give commands for that thought to leave you. If the thought doesn’t leave you then you have to command again. If you have to verbally aloud say get out of here, do it. Well try not to let the whole block hear what you’re saying (*class laughs*)  but if you have to verbalize it do it have no hesitation. Your partners will certainly know what’s going on. They will be very comfortable with you saying get out because you’re going to hear them doing the same thing and I’ll be worried about them if they aren’t doing the same thing.

So, filter, examine what is in you head. Habitually examine the vibrations of what is in your head. Now just clutter is just as much a detriment to you as very distasteful things. Just clutter –  stuff that is of no value. You know running old tapes of old jobs that your vehicle had back in the world or old tapes of other members of the litter of the animal you’re wearing or old tapes of anything of the world.

Old tapes of things you saw on television. Just clutter because when clutter is in there you’re listening to it, it’s noise. Even if you’re not paying much attention, it’s noise. If you have noise in here then you can’t listen. You’re not really in a condition of asking and listening. So, to start off with you have to get the screen blank and the only way you’re gonna get the screen blank is to abort, abort, abort until the screen is blank. Now it’s going to be hard for some of you to sustain blank without it being a hard blank. Now, what I mean by a hard blank is when you have a hard blank it’s hard for good stuff to come in.

When it’s a clear, when it’s just clear. I hate to use that term though because many of these EST and other methods you know Scientology you know (they) say just ‘get clear’. What is it that scientology uses? that um–

Student: E-metre?

DO: No.. They say–

Student: It’s the reactive?

DO: Yes, the reactive mind! If you can get rid of the reactive mind. And you know, there’s a lot of truth to that. Alot of truth because impulses of the vehicle, that’s reactive mind. Because just impulses of the vehicle that’s reactive mind you know if the vehicle sees something it goes across the screen and you just let it pass because you’ve never disciplined yourself to not let it pass so you have to keep examining that screen – is there clutter in there? is there garbage in there? is it distasteful or is it just unnecessary because I can’t really be in a position to ask for things and expect to get answers if I have clutter there.

Eyes are a major aspect of control with the brain. Control of the eyes. When the animal you are wearing was out in the world it was free to look at anything and humans do not discipline what they let it look at – some are more invasive by staring even to the point of embarrassing others because people are aware that they’re staring – others will glance out of the side of the eye and you can tell by the quality of the glance that the thought wasn’t too desirable of a thought but controlling of the eyes — The eyes believe it or not, will go to something that the vehicle is attracted to without giving you any signals. I mean there’s no signal there the eyes will go it and you’ll think what in the world are you going to that for? Because the animal is just responding that way.

Now if we’re gonna break this horse and we’re only going to make it respond when we give it signals then we have to catch it in the act of everything that it does so that the eyes aren’t darting to wherever they want to dart you have to make it and you will find that that animal you’re wearing that if you make the eyes go this way it’ll try to prove to you that it’ll only be obedient for a second and then it’ll get its eyes back over there so you have to force it and so this is a practice you can do even when there isn’t much attraction for the eye.

When it’s just a mild attraction for the eye to go here – I mean even if it’s admiring scenery or whatever it is that the eye wants to go to then don’t let the eye go there – learn not to let it go there. Learn to let the eye look at what you want it to. So when it darts back or wants to get that last glance, you know a good exercise is if someone’s walking down the street or a bicycle and the eye wants to go to it, just because of motion! The eye will even be attracted to what it is that’s going down the road and as soon as you recognize the eye wants to go there force it– and don’t even let the eye look through peripheral vision. If necessary look far enough away that there’s no peripheral vision. Don’t even let it get away with peripheral vision. This is the beginning of discipline of the eyes and what you permit to let go through your head you don’t get anywhere if you don’t engage this.

Tllody has had to work with a genetic computer that is a very rough discipline for him because genetically his computer, if he would let it, would just talk to it even when there’s nothing to say, will just run old tapes in his mouth and just want to move and then it will pace you know if it’s restless it’ll want to pace and talk and pace and it’ll look and you know that’s a rough vehicle to have to quiet down and calm down and calm down to a point where you’re not an explosive that is bottled up you know this isn’t calming down. (DO animates and class laughs)

It’s aborting this restlessness so that when you’re still there’s not an explosion to happen it’s aborting the restlessness to get out so that you can be calm. You don’t have to let the machinery just you know run like a what is it a Screen saver?

You know some of you have a Screen saver just going all the time or if it’s, what’s his name, Joe?

Student: Johnny Castaway?

DO: Johnny Castaway! he’s in motion all the time and that’s where your brain will be if you let it be that way so we have to exercise and even make a game of it you can enjoy the practice of controlling the eyes.

You can control the ears, now the ears aren’t nearly as difficult a problem as the eyes now it depends on the addictions of the vehicle if the vehicle was attracted to certain rhythms or sounds of music or sounds of human voices or whatever it is then you have to deal with that too so your not letting the ears hear only what the ears want to hear or what your demanding the ears to hear instead of what the ears want to hear. So the ears are much milder discipline.

The hands are a rougher discipline than the ears the hands want to do things that you don’t want it to do. The vehicles hands like to do things that you don’t want it to do. Whether to reach out and caress someone or reach out or caress the vehicle that you’re wearing and I’ll use some crude terminology here that I think does me a favor and can do you a favor that one of the major things that we deal with is getting the vehicle under control as far as sensuality is concerned and sensuality to me is almost too dignified of a term for the animal behavior and I almost feel like the only thing it can works is to think of it as the vehicle wanting to play with its ‘pee-pee’ now, laugh with me on this, don’t get heavy duty on me (*class laughs*) I’m serious if you get heavy duty then the vehicle is like oh my goodness how can Do say such a thing? (*class laughs*).

But to me the plumbing is a pee pee, you know, it’s plumbing to get rid of fluid if you’ve had too much water or juices and it’s just a plumbing for fluid and if you can think of it as the animal that you’re wearing is such a baby that all it wants to do is still play with its pee pee when it gets into sensuality. It puts it in a different department and you feel like slapping the darn thing because it’s just at that level. You don’t want to elevate it by giving into “sensory things” or “sexuality” or “romance” (said with drama) or whatever all these glorified terms for playing with its reproductive organs.

When the Lord gave the command to go and multiply, He was talking to the horses not the riders. They were talking to the horses, not the riders. Riders come in when it’s time to take over the horses and it’s totally inappropriate – when there’s a rider reproduction is out of the question.

I mean, any of the activity that went with reproduction is out of the question once a rider has been assigned to a horse. A rider has no instruction in that department. Now it is insulting to the rider to think in the thoughts of reproductivity or satisfying the senses by activity that was pornographic to the Next Level to begin with. One of the worst things that Luciferians even brought into this world was changing reproductive activity into hedonistic activity just to satisfy the senses. Now even churches are putting out books upon the value of masturbation and things of that nature.

Now I don’t know if you’re aware of it but a Lutheran church recently put out a manual on the – I don’t know, there’s several Lutheran churches you know the Missouri center and this and that. But when I read of that I was appalled! that they could think of that as something of value, now as of value against what?

Now, I don’t know what the alternative would be. But for us that kind of, now don’t get heavy duty on me, don’t get serious on me. Keep this as what it is – as childish as trite as beneath you activity. If you get serious then you can easily be victimized by thoughts of this nature. It is animal behavior. When you see an animal do you get heavy like: “Oh my goodness an animal” like a Cocker spaniel coming up and licking you you’re not like “uh.. what a terrible vibration animal” it’s silly!, it’s just a little puppy. And if you would treat this animal that you’re wearing that it’s impulses are just silly and ridiculous and beneath you and when it tries to respond that way then you just go right to its information center and say: “Stop it, I’m not going to permit that behavior, I’m in here! I’m the rider here and you do only what I direct you to do and that kind of behavior is totally inappropriate.”

It will challenge you and challenge you and challenge you until it knows that you meant what you were saying. And you have not gotten anywhere in that particular department until it knows that you mean business.

When you participate in the kind of drunkenness and I mean literal drunkenness – the act of reproduction – the act of a sensuous act lowers your vibration right down to animal level. Any decent Mind that was in your package had to abort to even permit you to do that and the recovery time from that act after you have permitted yourself to participate in that animal act is a difficult recovery time. So the faster that you get a hold of this and learn to do whatever it takes to get a hold of it. Let’s say you get attacked in the middle of the night, don’t get heavy duty about it. But, if it’s trying to attack you and you’re tempted to get heavy duty about it, go wake up your partner. Say “Partner, sit up here and talk to me or let’s read together or let’s write Links a note together, let’s do something. Help me out here I’m just about to lose control – I don’t know what’s going on with this stupid animal I’ve got here that wants to keep my thoughts preoccupied in this nature”.

And because this act is just as difficult of any addiction to heroin or morphine or any drug that you can think of to break if your vehicle was accustomed to participate in this to any significant degree.

This is what causes addiction because the vehicle likes the buzz even though it was never intended to be designed for that. As far as I can tell, I hope I don’t have to repeat this kind of discussion because to me it lowers my vibration to talk about these things with you and I’m sure it’s lowering yours because of the thoughts that flash through your minds when I have to talk about these things but I want you to learn that if you can stay light, if you can consider it ridiculous and keep it beneath you, that you can consider it a puppy activity. I mean, why would you want to do what the puppy wants to do? I mean are we that low that we have to let the puppy tell us what it wants to do? And that we then have to struggle to return to the vehicle that the puppy has just knocked it’s thermometer down to there is no mercury in the tube just because we let the puppy do.

You know when you begin to see when you get payoff for discipline when you can control what’s in your head, control what your eyes are doing and you can ask for what you need because you can always ask the Next Level for what you need and what you get won’t always be pleasant but it’s what you need. And frequently what you need is another test in this department or the other, in order for you to show that you are developing.

What they want is developed muscle against animal behavior – muscle that proves that the only thing I want in my container is the Mind of the Next Level that comes through Members of the Next Level because I want to be a Member of the Next Level.

Now a Member of the Next Level is someone who can sustain being a Member of the Next Level. By staying dependant upon its graft and sustaining the behavior that finds — (*tape cuts off*)

Student: We were about 30 (minutes)

DO: 30?, okay. Now one thing you have to work so hard at is old habits. In the human world a bad habit is having one face when they’re with their loved ones or when they’re with their teachers or when they’re with their church they put one face and when they’re off by themselves they put on another face. When they’re with someone they want to gossip with then there’s a 3rd face. This little pettiness that goes on. Then in their closets or in their bathroom they like to play with their silly vehicle. You’ve got to be one face – you’ve got to be just as close to your Older Member and it sounds crude, but when you’re sitting on the pot or when you’re bathing your body in the shower, just as close to your Older Member that your Older Member will be just as pleased with the way your treating that task you’re doing right then. Just as pleased with where your head is and where your vibration is and keeping it there.

Get in the habit of getting into the habit of examining the quality of your thoughts. Not in the peak days you know those times of the days when it’s easy to think about the higher stuff. We all have times in the day when it’s easier to think about the higher stuff.

One thing to do, think about the higher stuff when the vehicle wants to think about the lower stuff. Now It has become a habit in most human vehicles to think about the lower stuff the darker it gets, in the middle of the night. For some reason that’s some kind of habit that it likes to do or if it’s off by itself.

One of the remedies we try to do is not to get separate. You want to get uncomfortable separate there’s nothing wrong with using your partnership and using your other crew members as reinforcement for your sustaining Next Level vibration use their presence there. When you’re dealing with something, tell your partner. Your partner should be telling you and you should be telling your partner that when you see me doing something that’s not Next Level ways I wanna know about it, I really want to know. And then when they tell you, you get defensive like (*growling*).

And they say, well I thought you said you wanna know about it? It doesn’t sound like you want to know about it. So at that time hop back in there and say you’re right. I apologize for being defensive. That was the animal talking. I’m glad that you told me because you wouldn’t have told me had there not been some truth to what you were observing. And I’m put to the test. I don’t want that which you are bringing up to me.

Depend upon your partners and depend upon your classmates it is your duty to comply with their requests and wishes when your partner asks for help and tell them, don’t say “well I’ll tell them maybe tomorrow or the next day when they’re in a little better frame of mind”. You’ve lost two days.

When there is a better frame of mind, there’s no progress that gets made.  When I’m in a good frame of mind there’s no work when accepting help. When I’m being helped and it’s hard for me to accept help and I change in order to be accepting of that help I return immediately and apologize for my poor response and thank them for it, then I’m making progress. Change is occurring. I am forcing the vehicle to break its habit of defensive responses. And it’s reluctance to accept criticism. You’re not going to get anywhere if you don’t at a very accelerated pace get into a mode where you like criticism. Where you welcome criticism and you get beyond responding defensively. Don’t you want to know if there’s anything about you that differs from the next level or your older members? Say yes when you’re siting in church but what about the rest of the time?

We can’t have periods of the day when we’re the good guys and other periods when we’re the bad guys. This technique is really really really valuable to you if you do not exercise it the very areas that are your problem areas, will not change. As long as those problem areas remain they will be areas that put separation between you and other members of the Next Level, you and your classmates to a certain degree and certainly your Older Members.

When you have this animal under control so much so that it doesn’t reek of any animal characteristics and you can sustain that around the clock and you have restraint and willingness and pleasant countenance then you are ready and willing to do what they will have you do.

I’ll tell you, I know how much I would enjoy having you in my presence because I can feel that but even if you are that during a period of the day and you let your vibration go way down during other periods of the day you still bring some of that lower quality with you even during the peaks of that day. In other words you have to establish a track record you’ve got to get past any regularity of letting destructive or negative thoughts occupy your head or let your hands go where they shouldn’t or let your eyes go where they shouldn’t or entertaining thoughts that are inappropriate.

The hardest thing— Now some of you are writing CSR’s as far as I’m aware I haven’t had any negative thoughts and I said then you’re blind. Frequently I read those reports and know that you’re blind. You’re not lying to me but you’re not even aware of negative thought that you have that is still negative its not as negative as it used to be so your new measure of it is another way of entertaining negative thoughts. I entertain negative thoughts. I fight negative thoughts. Everyday, all the time I fight negative thoughts but don’t forget my microscope is ten times more powerful than yours and I get it down as low as I can get it with the most magnification and that’s what you’re trying to do you’re trying to increase the magnification of characteristic that are still trying to be present with you that differ from the Next Level.

So, spend time, several times a day reviewing techniques, filtering out, learning to sort out what am I permissive of in my head? Clutter? Old tapes to run? Imagery? Things that are animal or of this world not of the Next world? Am I comfortable remaining calm? Can I be comfortable can I be pleasant and can I be alert and keen or am I alert and keen when I’m so hyper that all kinds of static is coming through my head you don’t want to be so subdued in your calm that a bit of tiredness can come in or a bit of laziness or slovenness You can stay keen and alert and present without being too much one way or too much the other.

That’s the extent of the meeting…

Which many of you will at times when you’re fighting battles of doubt and battles of is this just another bunch of poppy cock or another religious approach or I’m sure Do was well meaning and TI was well meaning well no matter what form your doubts can come to you because doubts used to attack TI and me probably more than the students because we didn’t want to have anybody on the trip, we didn’t want to mislead anyone or be the instruments of misleading someone so we were constantly doubting ourselves and then even when we would listen to that doubt if being right down to nothing that nothingness still said we can’t do anything other than this. This is all there is to us. That if this is not reality then as far as we can tell this is as close to reality as we can get that this is – now I’m talking doubt, talking doubt this is not the way my mind, the word processor works at lowest moments its like there is nothing else at those lowest moments this is like you can scream to the Next Level.

Now I’m afraid TI and I still scream to the Next Level, we didn’t scream to call some other creature in to try to lead us astray of course the Next Level very safely took us through this because they had us examine every concept you could get sidetracked on, any concept you could get hooked on along the way. Whether it was every religious idea, every eastern religion every new age thing you could possibly examine we went into we went into in earnest, and practiced everything we could think of to practice and at a very accelerated pace learned this isn’t it, this isn’t what I’m after it’s a dead end it doesn’t lead anywhere. Wherever this finds us this is where we must put our whole effort and when you get to that point then influences don’t like it when you’re at that point because they know they can’t have you but the worst thing they could do to you is maybe have you weakened for a period, have you down to a place where all you’re saying is well ‘I don’t care’ I don’t care what exists this is like if I have a chance this is my best chance if there is a chance for me to be of some service to whatever there is I mean otherwise I’ll have to believe there is not. I have to believe that a totally agnostic view.

A completely — you know this vehicle used to spend a lot of time with Unitarians and associated a lot and worked in Unitarian churches and I could not believe that those individuals were willing to accept that all there is is what I pass onto my offspring that the only extension of me is what goes on in that offspring and if that is all there is and that when this life is over I can say it was well spent, I did the best I could do I was a good humanitarian, bye bye. I couldn’t buy that. Not in my wildest dream could I buy that to me all I have to do is to the observation window in surgery and see what’s going on even as a doctor works on a human vehicle and sees the absolute magic of even this crude animal we’re wearing to see the kind of invention it is I can’t in my wildest dreams believe that just happened, not by design not by some department in some level greater and higher than human – now I know better, I know better. I can’t deny things I know even in my weakest moments I can’t deny them.

So I hope this has been helpful to you in what you have to deal with. Now sometimes all these things just seem like fanciful ideas and maybe what you deal with the most are just the pangs of vehicular separation from the other parts of it’s plants of the vehicle or the pangs of old indulgences that used to give certain satisfaction or the pangs of just not the fun of running wild and what it was to just run wild instead of being part of a unit that function as a unit, that’s a big adjustment to function as a unit particularly when you’ve worked so hard some of you in the world to learn to not let others impose upon you and you finally become independent and then become of something that doesn’t want independence even though Next Level won’t let us get rid of a certain degree of volition or choice of will and therefore we, even though we’d like to be totally dependant Next Level says, that means you wouldn’t do any work on your own – You don’t do any overcoming on your own. Okay. Yes go ahead.

Rkkody: is this a good time to ask a question?

DO: Yes.

Rkkody: Lggody was talking about a hologram, analogy of this planet and possibly this universe as being a kind of a hologram like one of those Star Trek movies where they and a whole civilization I think it was a planetoid that had a whole community that was a projection from this machine and in trying to get that straight in my head.

DO: well ah… (tape ends).

TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA – 5-22-94 parts 1 and 2

April 24, 2019
TI and DO audio transcripts – Mt. Cross CA  – 5-22-94 parts 1 and  2
Here are two transcripts of meetings DO gave on May 22, 1994
The context is the first half of the period of time when DO’s Class were holding public meetings from January 1994 to Aug/Sept. 1994. The meeting was primarily for the “new ones” who had just joined by then.
******* PART ONE *******
DO audio transcript – Mt. Cross, California – part 1 of 2 – 5-22-94 – Asking Next Level for help – Deposits and Souls
Originally transcribed by Nisha
Edited by Sawyer (Swy) Classroom name: Swyody))
DO: We’re still waiting to hear from Snnody and from Gbbody on their way down from Eugene but they are trying to get here tonight.
I’m going to address our conversations to the ‘new ones’ and when I say the new ones I mean new ones in the past few months or since we began to hold meetings and to returnees because we have several return students and since I saw some of those students we’ve had a lot of updates in our information. It’s very interesting how our information… we don’t ever get any absolute information, we don’t ever get anything that’s true but we get some that’s true for the moment. It’s always updated. We always find after we get something that we’re excited about understanding then a short time later we get something new and it out-dates that and makes it obsolete. But what we’re so excited about is the new information that is true for the time that it’s true. So some of the students that were with Me and TI for years will find that we’ve had quite a number of updates.
I’m going to ask that you good little students sit up straight and don’t cross your legs and don’t slouch and don’t do your hands like this (motion) because we don’t have any techniques as far as how to hold our hands when receiving information.
(*talking about where certain students are*)
For starters I want the new ones in particular to have no hesitation about asking me questions. Raise your hands and as soon as I get to a moment when I can stop I’ll acknowledge your question. Don’t worry about whether your question seems stupid or insignificant or if you just want to hear whatever DO has to say I’m very interested in what you’re asking and where your questions are because that helps me out a lot to know out where we can interface and how I can help you.
Now, it takes a long time in this classroom, and some students that have been in the classroom a long time still have difficulty in listening because to Me and to TI, listening means that you don’t let your wheels turn while you’re listening you’re just receiving. Instead of every time you receive something if you then listen to the assimilation of that and how that thought affects all your other programming for the time you’re listening to that you’re not listening to me. So it’s hard to get into a mode where you’re simply just receiving and trying not to let the assimilation of your computer hinder your further listening.
We’re going to talk about things that humans don’t know how to talk about and they not only don’t talk about but there’s no structure in their logic to understand some of the things that we’re going to talk about. Human logic is to the Next Level like an elementary school is to high-school and there’s some things that we simply don’t understand like.. Let me give you an example: the Next Level does things that at times really challenge our understanding of fairness. Because they know how to judge what They do in ways we would really question the fairness of.. Let me give you an example.. Well maybe that’s too big of an example.. Some of you have — goodness I don’t know where to start!
Let’s go to the little thought of reincarnation and get rid of it so we can move on to some of the things that will have you understanding a little more of some of the things that we’re going to talk about.
For years and years TI and I thought that reincarnation applied to every Soul and that Souls even came up from domesticated animals and if those Souls only wanted to be with human beings and didn’t like being with their pack anymore. Let’s say if a dog was in a human family and the dog didn’t like the other dogs and considered himself a human and only liked to please his human masters then we thought: well that soul might move right up to the human family and take a human vehicle and stand in line for it.
Now I have a different understanding of that now and I’m still adjusting to the new understanding of it because it has so many implications and this new understanding is, a soul, what we call a soul what we’re going to use the term ‘soul’ for is something that happens to an individual that has received a little chip or little deposit from the Next Level that begins then to form a different container for information than a vehicle had before.
A human vehicle its mechanism its genetic background its environment when the vehicle expresses its genetic background, it’s education then what it is expressing is an audible manifestation of the spirit of the vehicle. Now I’m using spirit in the term that you’re probably accustomed to hearing (the word) Soul used. And believe it or not I’m trying to use the word spirit in a term that isn’t spiritual and that’s kinda funny to play with but let’s just redefine the term ‘spirit’ and I find is the most accurate definition of (the word) spirit is that my spirit or your spirit is the manifestation of what my package is.
In other words my genetic background, what I’ve learned in my environment the education that I’ve been through that there’s an invisible kind of plasma, and I don’t want to get spiritual here but there’s an invisible manifestation of me that forms, that is actual substance though we can’t discern it scientifically only because of human limitations. I’m sure the Next Level can easily discern it scientifically but that spirit then when a human body or vehicle dies that spirit then leaves that body and that spirit is the sum total of information and judgment and whatever that individual was at the time the vehicle left or the vehicle collapsed and then that spirit can be in what we call the ‘discarnate world’ and that spirit can then invade other vehicles if other vehicles will permit it to invade it will invade other vehicles. And in that sense even theoretically that possibility exists that spirits of animals which would be the invisible manifestation of what they were, their intelligence, their judgment those spirits also leave those animals so the invisible is filled with spirits.
Now let’s say that the Next Level has a garden and they start the garden clean and there are no vehicles and therefore no vehicles have died and there are no spirits so when vehicles then collapse or can no longer function then a spirit begins to associate in the spirit world. And depending upon the relationship it might have with a vehicle or the desire that was in that spirit will depend upon whether that spirit will time share with a vehicle whether it be a human vehicle or any other animal type vehicle.
Now at a given time in history then the Next Level comes and they can wipe out the vehicles, eliminate the spirits. I’m sure if they wanted to could come even while the vehicles are running all over the planet and take masses of spirits away if they chose to eliminate some of the unseen world, this surpasses human logic but these spirits of their own volition will do things that the Next Level has it designed that they’re doing those things – permits us an opportunity for growth.
Now, let’s say an example and this is just hypothetical: let’s say one of your vehicles recently lost what the vehicle would’ve considered a loved one and that loved one of the vehicle was lost and so that individual went into the spirit world. Now what happens to that one individual when it goes into the spirit world is dependent on what that individual thinks is going to happen to it when it goes into the spirit world. Like if it believed in Ekankar and its going to create its own Ekankar then it goes with other Ekankars and they find their Ekankar and they do their Ekankar and that’s what it wants.
If they consider that they were going to Heaven or they were going to serve as guardian angel or whatever — to what degree they are permitted — I think some spirits are actually shocked when they get into the discarnate world because they find it, they thought they would go to some place else and that it would be some kind of environment that, whatever they thought, whether it was harps on clouds or meeting all the Saints from past history or whatever they anticipated and I think some are shocked and have to adjust to being here on this planet and in the spirit world and why wouldn’t they be because the spirit is always attached to what the spirit was attracted to while it was in a vehicle. Whatever it’s cravings were, whatever it’s ties were it stays with those craving and stays with those ties.
If you take the near death experiences that I’m sure many of you have read about when people believe their body or spirits leave their body in a hospital surgery circumstance and they will go through what they imagined to be a tunnel of light and meet other members of their family waiting for them. And I suspect that’s very true and those members of the family will help them adjust to what it is that they have gone to. Now if they left those vehicles tied to those members of their family and those members of the family also still felt ties to them they will hang around there.
Just like some individual was very tied to his homestead and he loses his vehicle, his vehicle is going to hang around that homestead and he might hang around with his great grandfather and great great grandfather until the Next Level comes along with a vacuum and vacuums up the spirits and does what it does with them depending on their level of development and what they deserve. Now, ‘spirit’ is a term that we’re now using for the invisible being that exits a vehicle when the vehicle drops.
Except there’s another whole category and that category is when the workers of the Next Level are assigned a task, periodically to choose certain human vehicles and they will then give them physically some little chip or deposit — now I don’t pretend to be able to describe what it is that they give to them, I wouldn’t assume to know that. I’m not meant to know that. Well, if I am I’ve failed because I certainly don’t understand it. And this little thing that they were given makes them have a little recognition for someone else who has that object and they feel a kinship with someone else who has that chip.
When they feel or when they hear an expression of Next Level information then they have a recognition they say ‘goodness I’ve heard this before’ or ‘I’ve know this all my life!’ or whatever their way of expressing that they recognize that because that little gift was given to them. Now here are a bunch of people sitting out here that I’m assuming all have that little chip of recognition or you wouldn’t be sitting here unless you’re just sitting here because you’re on an adventure, trying to find out what this cult really believes and I’m trying to make my way from one cult to another to really see what they do.
Okay, now what I started off to tell you about was the Next Level’s idea of fairness why is it that some person may receive that little chip of recognition and they may find their overcoming of their human ways, their addictions and the destruction of human ways that interfere with their change and with accepting Next Level’s ways – one vehicle may find that a fairly simple change a fairly easy change another one just works and works and works, well at least they think they’re working and they don’t seem to make much progress in this area or that area and they can look at one of their classmates and say you know ‘what’s it with so and so who found it so easy to make this transition?’ Why am I having such a hard time. And it could easily be thought of as unfair. Now I do not know the criteria that the Next Level would use in giving that chip of recognition to vehicles. And it’s not up to me to question that criteria because that’s not my task. My task is to come and work with those who have that chip. And help them in their change.
Now what TI and I have always felt the truth was that the Next Level — now I say that I felt that this way and I have not yet seen evidence that makes me feel differently but TI and I always felt that the Next Level did not give someone a chip of recognition who was incapable of change – incapable of making the transition from human to Next Level.
And we also thought when it was very difficult for someone to make that change in overcoming the addictions of their brain patterns or their likes for this or their dislikes for having to do what someone else says instead of what they would like to do with whatever impulses they might have – that the difficulty they deal with in overcoming humanism builds strength which the Next Level finds a very important characteristic of service, building strength.
So in order to change and become a yielding putty in the hands of the Next Level does not mean watery weak putty that falls through the hands. It means putty that’s very strong but pliable in other words strength is developed because you had to work and work like crazy. Now one other aspect I must mention is that some Souls now when you have received that chip then that chip has with it the capacity of starting what we’ll call a container for Next Level mind in other words something can be built in the area of that vehicle and that spirit that is Next Level mind and something is being built and we’ll call the container that is present after the Next Level has given the chip, we’ll call that the Soul. And then the Soul is receiving Next Level information. Now when scripture says, Christian scripture says that you’re going to become a new creature that is not symbolism that is a fact as far as I can tell and what is meant by a new creature is that you drop all of the characteristics that were your old identity.
And that’s tough, that’s difficult and its hard to let go of them. And you might find it easy to let go of some of those characteristics like maybe 1 through 117 was easy to let go of then you get to 118 and it was tough. And you’re feeling when you’re faced with 118 you say like ‘I don’t even know who I am anymore’ I don’t even have — I just can’t even – I don’t know who I am and that of course is when you’re at a very critical excellent place to be because you are losing your old identity.
In other words what is going to fill your spirit your and that spirit is in that Soul is the Mind of the Next Level. Now the Mind of the Next Level came from the Next Level. I mean it is present in the Next Level. Those individuals who are in the Next Level possess varying amounts and degrees of Next Level mind. My Older Member possesses more of that than I possess. My Older Member and my Older Member’s Older Member must feel that I possess enough of it to help you to possess more of it. Now the more of it that you possess is like this container you have can only hold so much stuff so I have to abort programming, abort the essence of what I was, my genetic emanation, manifestation my learned Mind. I have to abort it piece by piece in order to accept more Next Level mind in.
That means that the more you accept Next Level mind in then the more you’re going to sound like your Older Member. You’re going to use the same vocabulary – your thoughts are going to be structured more and more the same way. You can have an influence with you that doesn’t want to make that change or feel that it’s invasive some how or another not proper. Listen, I feel honored to accept it because it is the very Mind of my Creator that has been channeled down through levels and generations from Older Members to Younger Members it is the Mind of the Creator now I have a little bit of it compared to some that are Older Members in the Next Level.
Now, any resistance you have to give up your human mind you’re going to have to face that quickly and decide whether or not you’re willing to let go of it. Giving up your human mind gets down to practical aspects of giving up your human mind that means giving up your likes and dislikes your habits your ways what you respect – what you like as far as use of vernacular is concerned or how you like the way your brain works or you like to spend so many hours walking or so much time in the bathtub or to consume certain things. Invariably the very things that are hard for you to let go of will be spotlighted and be seen as major issues to you.
You have to give up your judgment it’s like that little tiny hole in the hour glass that when you have lost your humanness enough and when you begin to receive Next Level mind and you’re in that little tiny hole in that hourglass it’s like ‘I don’t know who I am, I have finally become wise enough to know I have no judgment’. And the only judgment that I’m going to have or want is the judgment that is passed down to me from the Next Level from my Older Member.
Now that sounds real pretty to talk about but in application it’s tough it’s plain old hard work. Any time you have resistance from change – an influence or any resistance that doesn’t want to let go of certain likes or dislikes or assessment, you are at that moment receiving and hosting an influence which is a gift from the Next Level and that sounds like ‘The Next Level sends me the bad guys?’ that’s right. Actually the bad guys go after you to defeat you because that’s the way that the Creator designed it and the Creator says I have designed it this way and if you want Me, if you want My world as I let those bad guys go to pursue you they can be the very instrument of your strength – your change, your battle to win against change. Any rebellion I have is an influence that is trying to challenge me – trying to have me not accomplish this change and it was permitted to come to me and in a sense is sent to me.
Now, My Older Member, TI has not gone back to some distant place and is involved totally with other tasks, even though I feel TI does other tasks other than helping you and me. But I feel sometimes if I can instantly say like I said to Arrody when Arrody said ‘when I got to New Mexico—’ he said ‘all these new influences just started ganging up on me and up until I got to New Mexico I felt so great – I felt so free’, and I said Arrody, TI sent you those influences. Because TI was challenging his commitment, testing him seeing whether or not he wanted to make that change.
*interruption*
DO: Do you think we’re having some visitors? Can we stop the tape.
Move on further, because nobody’s hand has gone up and I’m sure I’ve sailed past some things that — the danger of not talking to you like this is it can so easily sound like highfalutin theoretic religious or spiritual information and yet that is what I am trying to prohibit it from sounding that way. I’m trying to make it practical, real application of real stuff.
Jwnody?
Jwnody: a deposit… (asks question)
DO: okay yes I’m glad you brought that back in, finish your question.
Jwnody: And once the deposit is made, do we have the soul beginning?
DO: Yes, the beginning. You have a little soul that has the capacity to grow because the Soul is going to contain Next Level mind so the more it grows—its like you have two containers happening here or you’ve got the spirit of this individual that’s trying to abort in order to make room for the soul to contain more Next Level mind. Okay let’s say the Next Level goes to [Swy: earth in] the year 600BC or 4000BC and the Next Level visited with someone and gave them a deposit and sent a Member of the Next Level to relate to that one and nourish that deposit and humanism began to be aborted by the effort, hard work effort of the individual.
Every individual — you know this old thing of Christians debating all the time over ‘once saved always saved’. You’re saved as long as you’re saved. What are you saved from? You’re saved from being separated from the Next Level – being separated from the Kingdom of God. But you’re only saved as long as you pursue with your effort, growth and development and service getting rid of selfish desires and as long as you please the Next Level.
Here’s another thing that may not seem fair to a lot of spiritual people is that Next Level doesn’t mind giving you the boot. And a lot of times they give you service by giving you the boot. They’ll give you the boot and if you’re made of anything you’ll come back and say ‘Please don’t give me the boot!’. What does it take for me to prove to You that I don’t want the boot?
And The Next Level say, well I think I’ve heard you say that before so I think you better go on your way. And they’ll go their way and a week later, six weeks later and say I don’t want this I want to go to the Next Level so they come back and say ‘Next Level?, Is there any way you can open your door to me again?’ and the Next Level then says, whoever it is that’s dealing with that individual, says up to the chain of command to their Older Member, ‘what do you say? Give this person another chance?’ and they say ‘OK, you can give him another chance.’ you always — you cannot get rid of your free will – you cannot, even when you’re in the Kingdom of Heaven an Older Member has the free will to go awry.
Anytime an Older Member thinks he’s not dependent on his Older Member he is on the threshold of going awry. Now get that again any time any individual in the Next Level in the Kingdom of Heaven thinks they’re not totally dependent on the one that is assigned to nourish them, they’re on the threshold of going awry.
When they think that they have gotten so big that they can do something on their own and they can go and create – the higher you go in the Next Level the easier that is to do. It’s our understanding, and it may be wrong but those who we call Luciferians – they weren’t humans – they were ones who had been brought into the Next Level and learned a lot of Next Level knowledge and Next Level skills and Next Level ways that to humans would seem utterly phenomenal, just beyond belief and yet as they chose to not acknowledge their necessary total need for their Older Member, only looking to their Older Member – only seeking to please their Older Member, but once self comes back in — as long as you’ve got free will you’ve always got that possibility of ‘self’ coming right back in and saying: I’m tired of looking to someone else or I’ve leaned a lot of this – I can – I have a contribution to make and your Older Member says well if that’s what you want to do, have at it.
And your Older Member will say that. Many times in the classroom people will tell me what they want to do. Students will tell me what they want to do and I’ll say ‘have at it’ and they’ll learn a little while later ‘why did you say have at it?’ and I’ll say because I wasn’t about to tell you no you couldn’t do it because I sense that what you  wanted to do was do that. And I knew that if you’re made of good stuff that you would do it a little while and think that’s not the right thing to do, what should I be doing? I don’t want or to do this but you always have free will – you cannot get rid of it and the higher you go the more you’re tested with the easy access to going separate.
What if you’re in a relationship with your Older Member and you see your Older Member very very seldom? Actually seeing physically your Older Member very seldom and your mental relationship with your Older Member becomes some what ‘artificial’ or ‘spiritual’ or religious rather than real? Separation has come. And there are students in the class that still think that they can talk to me and get answers from me and from TI when they’re separated from us and again and again I’ve seen that the answers they got are not real.
Now there are ways you can ask for things – you can ask for help in this or you can ask to be stronger in overcoming this – you can ask to get past this rebellion. All these things that you can ask and if your asking was really sincere and strong the answers to that asking will be fulfilled, and that you can do when you’re separate from your Older Member – you can do that asking. But if you’re asking is somewhat etheric or somewhat less than real or some dream or some thought comes and answers that you’ll check immediately with your partner and those in your group and your Older Member before you act on that – what you thought was an answer. Because 9 times out of 10 it will not be right. Now the Next Level, I’m going to repeat, will present you with answers to your requests if your requests are answers for your advancement and getting closer to the Next Level. If you’re asking is mechanical they won’t pay attention to it they have to feel like you’re asking has ‘oomph’ behind it.
It’s like when TI, before TI began to awaken She liked doing horoscopes for people. But when TI would do a horoscope for someone it wasn’t an ordinary horoscope. It wasn’t something you could get out of Allen Leo’s book or some other. It was magic when I saw the – I never took horoscopes seriously, than when I met TI and I asked TI for a horoscope. I was in the same category as anyone else and TI wouldn’t do a horoscope for anybody unless they asked her 3 times. And she’d never let anyone know that she’d only give them one if they asked at least 3 times. So I mean she had to know that they really wanted it. After they had asked at least 3 times then she might share with them that she won’t do it if they hadn’t asked her 3 times.
But and this is the way the Next Level is, a lot of times if you’re asking seems shallow or systematic like ‘oh I just go through my little routine of asking’ it doesn’t get you anywhere. If you’re asking because you’re hurting, because you’re craving to get out of your deadlock of lack of progress and you want control in areas you don’t have control or you want beyond rebellion or you want restraint or you’re talking too much or not expressing yourself enough whatever it is and you are doing it because it’s holding you back you’ll get answers and you’ll get them fast and they come strong.
And most of the time when you get answers you’ll think well that wasn’t what I was expecting I didn’t want that kind of answer but you’ll be presented with the circumstance that will be the perfect situation for the change which you asked for. Frequently your meter goes up and your whole horizon about the subject that you thought you were asking on becomes significantly increased because you realized the one you were asking on was one tiny aspect of that subject and really didn’t hold as much significance as you thought it did until the answer of your request came. But, Members of the Next Level that TI has supervision over as far as I’m concerned, in relationship to this class, they have the ability to read the degree of your asking.
Now I have fussed at, in the groups that were out holding meetings, I have fussed at some of the overseers and others in the classroom for not paying enough attention to their patients. Just for fun I’m considering.. Well not just for fun, it’s applicable as an analogy – new ones are the patients and patients, if you sit in your ward, if you sit in your hospital room and sit in your ward – new students and you don’t when you have a need or you want to improve and the nurse is not tending you, you’ve got to push the buzzer! Or knock on the door or go down the hall and hunt out that nurse and ask for help and also in the same token for some of you who have some experience in the ways that the new ones are working you have to without any confidence — you know the nurse that thinks she is the doctor is the one that is always going to give the wrong remedy. But the one who merely goes to the doctors order and fills the prescription or calls the doctor, well you know Gene Scott says: ‘The doctors in’. Well as far as I’m concerned you’re in the classroom and the doctors in. As long as I’m here, I’m your doctor. TI is my doctor, I’m your doctor. Those in the classroom are your nurses and you are the patient. In that sense, all of you are patients. And the oldest ones of you I am your nurse. Now, age is determined by development how much you have developed not by certainly the age of your vehicle.
Now, Jwnody asked: ‘what about this vehicle that received an implant. A little chip that gave it recognition of information and recognition of other individuals who were carrying Next Level information. What if someone way back BC some significant time had a visit from someone from The Next Level and got a Chip, had a relationship with an Older Member, learned some things and lost the vehicle. Well, according to the theory we just went through since that individual had an encounter first it received a deposit once it started a pillowcase – a container for Next Level mind once it has Next Level mind in it then we have a soul with mass. And then the Next Level can take that Soul at the time that the vehicle collapses and do what it wants with it. We usually use the term that it ‘puts it on ice’ until it’s time for it to have a chance to pick up where it left off with another representative of the Next Level to continue with its lessons.
You might find a vehicle in this classroom that is 20 years old as far as the age of the vehicle is concerned and yet it may have had more association and exerted more effort of change to get closer to the Next Level, than that Soul might have, so that others around it could be jealous of how easy that individual had it as far as making change and not having all this resistance and all this change. If that individual has really received much Next Level mind it’s going to be more restrained. It’s not going to have its feathers easily flustered and it’s not going to be self concerned – it’s going to be more concerned in how it can serve. It’s going to be quicker to use “we” talking about its partnership or it’s crew than “me” and my needs and my concerns – it’s going to, even though it wants service it’s also going to be wise enough to know when I want service too badly I usually need to go through a period of seeming no service because I can learn a great deal during times of wanting service and not being aware that I have the opportunity for significant service.
Now that doesn’t make sense in human logic either. And yet a lot of times the Next Level prepares us for service by giving us lengthy periods of very little service to test us to see what are we going to do? If we don’t have service by  point X are we going to say well, you’ve had it Next Level. I was your gem and yet you didn’t give me service when I wanted it so I don’t want you anymore. That can happen. We have experienced that happening in this classroom. Some didn’t climb the ladder the way they wanted to climb the ladder. Here’s another thing that isn’t human logic, you could think that overseers are those who are more advanced… Not necessarily so. A person might— *end of tape*
(Swy – I would guess based on experience with DO that he might have said that a person might have needed the tests provided by having that overseer task that may look highfalutin to them and others.)
******* PART TWO *******
DO audio transcript – Mt. Cross part 2 of 2 – 5-22-94 – 38 min. – Family and Religion biggest addictions to humanness
Originally transcribed by new student of TI and DO – Nisha.
Edited by Sawyer (Swy) – Classroom name: Swyody
DO: You need to go BC? (Swy: Bath Chamber)
Student: No no, 600BC
DO: Oh, I’m simple, practical minded. I hear BC and I think, oh someone needs to go pee. (class laughs).
DO: Okay is the tape going?
Student: I hope so.
DO: Okay (laughs). We’ll talk about another kind of BC.
Student: that’s what we meant, remind you of that.
(Swy: TI and DO both asked students to remind them of things to bring up at the next meeting)
DO: Yes, I do not know – I have no idea how many times the Next Level might choose to have souls that it is still pleased with, return to a human environment in order to develop more. There is no better environment than a human environment – when the human environment is its most rotten. I mean the condition of the world today is the perfect environment for us. There is no restraint at all in openly pushing everything that is against the Next Level – no restraint at all. Even you could go into Muslim countries, Islam and find considerable more restraint and care about certain elements that are against the Next Level and this nation that we’re in is probably the least retrained in areas that are even seen as destructive areas. Now I’m going to touch on some toes, certainly of influences and this is a tough one and I’m warning you about it because it’s hard to make the adjustment that there’s truth to this.
The two elements that probably grow to be the greatest social enemies of the Next Level are those elements that are held in place by space aliens that are not working for our Father’s Kingdom that bind people to the family. The family and religion are the worst drugs there are and they elevate them together. You go to your religion to get married. I mean they go hand in hand. If you want to insure a good tight nit family, it’s one that worships together and does their religious ritual together and believes and practices to the best of their ability their religious belief.
Religion is not of the Next Level. It is the distortion of truth from those who are against The Next Level. Those who are against the Next Level have taken the truth and the words and the concepts that relate humans to the Next Level and twist them just enough and put them back into the heads and call them religion and it becomes impossible to get change.
There’s only one way you can get into the Next Level and that’s as an individual. As long as the Next Level is pleased with you as a student, as an individual. You can’t take someone else with you, it’s an impossibility. Therefore, you have to be an individual. Now, there’s some in the classroom that had once relationships with others that were in the classroom and yet they’ve lost that consciousness altogether of that relationship.
The Next Level has the distinct characteristic of being non-sexual, non-sexual. When you read about the Pleidians or any of these space groups or space aliens that have identity of female or male, you know at the outset that they are not from the Next Level. That does not mean the Next Level does not use them for certain things they want to accomplish,  any more than the Next Level uses evil influences to come and attack you in order to give you strength but they are not of the Next Level.
There is not the youngest member of the Next Level who is still male or female and you can even find that in the good book if you chose to pay attention to it. You can even find in the good book that unless you leave all behind all ties, attachments of this world and come and follow me, and who is my family? These are my family (Swy: referring to Do’s students there as Jesus referred to), and yet does religion acknowledge that? They can’t possibly acknowledge that.
The only way that the Luciferians insure ignorance is to keep you drunk on, or keep humans drunk on reproductive activity and religion. And the ones who are the most righteous in that behavior are the ones least likely to ever have their eyes open to receive a deposit or recognize the truth.
Very frequently the ones who have the deposit are the ones who the Next Level, by their little meters can see, that that individual, or that soul and I’m saying individual because we don’t know when you received a deposit – if you received a deposit a long time ago and that soul has come back several times then as we said earlier it could be a very young vehicle but be a very old soul because it has so much control already developed and has already rid itself of so many self concerns.
But Souls are vehicles as we see them, well when Ti and I began to awaken right before these vehicles began to receive a little bit more Next Level mind in order to try to you know do things to our heads the lives that we were in just fell apart and lives that were just months prior to that were productive in every way suddenly they were just falling apart.
People who just months before would have complimented us and were proud of us suddenly were against us, criticizing us and telling everyone how bad we were. Is that bad?, No. It might be bad for the world but it wasn’t bad for us, it helped us separate from the world it helped us in our accelerated growth. You might know from the history of Ti and Do that we both spent time in jail. Ti was in jail for a month, this vehicle was in jail for 6 months it finally received a sentence of 4, so they owe me 2!
What happened is that we were so taken with our — when this Mind was coming in and our becoming something else was happening that we were out of it and we were like two crazy individuals who were crazy in the same way simultaneously, not knowing what was going on.
And as the Mind came in we could not function, we had trouble driving cars. I was telling Helpers that we had to learn everything that this vehicle knew how to do and relearn them. It’s like these creatures came in from the Next Level and had to relearn human things all over again and I remember the first time we drove into a city after this mental change and we were scared of the traffic. And yet the vehicles grew up in cities where the traffic was insane! so I’m just telling you the changes that took place.
I don’t know if this is entirely accurate but it serves the purpose as far as we’re concerned when the one who was called Jesus was beginning to receive a significant amount of Mind — humans called it because that’s the vernacular of the writers of religious history, called it Holy Spirit – pure, more pure Mind than human mind.
And at the time that He had received enough Mind that He could start doing a task was symbolically, whether it’s accurate or not I don’t know, was the time with John the Baptist right before He began to minister. Well Ti and I received that Mind just before we began to minister. When we first began to minister we didn’t know what we were doing, we were scared, we were going around, we were so confused. We read the Bible, read the Bible, read the Bible, then we threw the Bible away, we read anything we could get our hands on of Madame Blavatsky and the Ascended Masters and we threw them away then finally we knew we couldn’t read anything that offered anything to us.
And when there was question among us there was something with TI that I recognized that Ti had a relationship with Ti’s Older Member that was closer than I had with that Older Member. We considered ourselves, and still consider ourselves a partnership. But Ti is clearly an Older Member than Do. Now, ‘older’ is measured by development, but you know what’s funny? I can count on Ti’s pace on the race track and I doubt if I’ll ever catch her. It’s our development of change and of service and ridding ourselves of self and increasing our Minds that comes from our Older Member from the Next Level through our Older Members that moves up the ladder. It cannot be measured by time – the funny thing is time is measured by effort – you can actually move out, of physically and scientifically move out of your time consciousness if your effort is applied enough toward your change. You will move into a different perception of time all together, if you stay down in what your old perception of time was you will retard your development.
You have to let these clumsy changes take place as you receive more Next Level mind and abort human mind and you go through periods of clumsiness and you go through periods of saying I don’t know who I am anymore. I don’t know what this is all about can you help me? And since Ti and I have experienced that we’re so pleased when someone reaches that point of saying I don’t know who I am anymore I’m just desperate and they couldn’t be in a better place then when they’re desperate to move forward.
You know, I could be wrong but I have to stop right there since I said that because there’s nothing more important than learning to put into your vocabulary and your vernacular the qualifying statements that indicate your awareness of your ignorance. If you think you’re right on most of the statements you make its because you do not perceive your inaccuracies. It’s like all the people that are observing the elephant and they are all standing in different places and one sees this and one sees that – everything you make a different judgment of what you’re seeing whether it’s your classmates behavior, your seeing it from your perspective based upon your background, your knowledge, your genetic package, your education all that and you’re only seeing one facet. So if you’re stupid enough to say with some authority I saw so and so and so and so were doing that and your making judgment of others you simply haven’t learned that we don’t have the capacity to make judgments. I mean the more I grow the more I know about how little judgment I have so one of the very basic elements in our classroom is qualifying your statements.
If you do it falsely: “Oh, I may be wrong or I could be wrong” learning these phrases you tack on in the beginning but then you tack them on with confidence what it was that you were about to say, it’s a mockery and you haven’t actually learned that you’re only seeing one facet of it and that facet cannot be trusted.
Okay, what I was starting to say when I said I could be wrong, I feel that we — because of you, because of these new ones, because of this ‘second wave’ if you want to play the prophecy game of the human religious or charismatics as far as I’m concerned you are now being lifted out of the world according to their little fun games of prophecy the second rapture is taking place because you’re literally being lifted out of the world, the world will not know how to find you literally not know how to find you – you will have left it – you would have been elevated out of it.
Now, I feel that this second wave or this going out and holding meeting for these that we’re holding meetings for is a very strong indication of the completion of this task and influence will hammer at my head and say: “Do, how could you think that? you have these new students that need training and they need this and need to overcome this and that and look at those others they had 18 years off in someplace and they learned all these things”.
The Next Level knows what they’re doing. Some of the first will be last, some of last will be first. You can climb mountains overnight if your desire is strong enough. You can change overnight if your desire is strong enough. Some have been in the classroom since the classroom started may be very slow to change in certain ways and very slow to apply effort and so what comes in? An influence comes in to have them jealous of someone who’s new to the class and has so much change. Why does the Next Level permit that? Because that is a perfect opportunity for them to exert more effort and not listening to that jealousy and doing something about it. Changing.
Getting rid of that rebellion and getting rid of that resistance to letting go of your old way, you know the Next Level is very very refined. It makes me sick when I hear again and again and again, about the essence of dignity was Jacqueline Onassis. (Class laughs) and yet I know that I’ve never known anything to touch the dignity of my Older Member, and yet I also know that most of the class was incapable of recognizing the dignity that my Older Member had because of your youth and lack of perception.
The more you learn the more restrained you are, the more control you have the more quick you are to tune in to what your Older Member’s Mind is instead of wanting your Older Member to tune in to where your mind is. We’ve covered a lot of territory in our little time tonight and I want you to think on these things and if you haven’t anything to ask, I’ve got a whole pocket of things (swy: hear papers rustling) I was going to bring up and a lot of these I haven’t touched on because of the way our meeting has gone and yet I almost feel like if we don’t stop, anything else we say will have gone beyond the point of saturation. Can I assist you with any questions? Strody?
Strody: (asks question)
DO: I’ll get back to whatever you’d like to
Strody: Can we get back to the soul?
DO: I think that we covered that, what was meant by that as a soul, I may be wrong on this but I do not think— let’s say a soul returned theoretically one soul returned to this civilization six times or three times, 2 times, once. I do not think it requires so may returns I think it depends on the effort applied by that individual and it’s thirst for nourishment and the application of that nourishment that determines how many times a return is made. I don’t think we can judge areas of change by what you deal with. This is a very important thing for you to understand, just because you deal with certain things doesn’t mean you’re going to have to come back and conquer that thing.
Dealing with something can be keeping it in check. You know the Easterner’s believe you pay for something by karma and it’s true but karma can happen very very quickly but what you got into you have to get out of and to the same degree that you got into it it’s gonna take that degree to get out of it. Now how fast that happens is determined on how thirsty you are – how close you stay to the source of your nourishment and the application of that nourishment. It can happen very quickly, that change can occur quickly. And we don’t have the capacity to measure, I don’t have the capacity to measure. If a spacecraft came down right now and we all marched aboard and I may think in my Mind that well I wonder what the Next Level is going to do with this student or that student because I’m not aware that they’ve overcome this, that or the other. I am doing my tasks to the best of my ability and I have been proven many times to assess someone’s development wrongly. And all I can do is ask my Older Member how can I help this one more? But I cannot offer you help if you are not asking for it.
When you come to meetings like we’re having right now everyone gets help even if you didn’t ask for it, you get nourishment. It isn’t going to do you any good if you aren’t hungry when you come here. If you’re not hungry and thirsty it won’t do you any good. If you sit and listen and say “boy this sounds great, this is really good stuff and no change takes place it doesn’t get anywhere. Now, I cannot build the fire of thirst in you, you can build it. If you say, well how can I build it? Ask. If the answer doesn’t come, ask again. Until you convince Ti that you need it and Ti will send you the help to increase that thirst. There is nothing that you can ask that cannot be supplied if you really want it. A lot of you ask for things because you want them 18 hours a day but you don’t want them those other 6. I’m not kidding. It’s like when you’re off in your bunk in the night or you have this time to yourself and you’re just having at it or going at things in your head that are totally contrary to what you asked for.
Are you participating in certain things? Mentally. Our mental participation has already set the stage for our physical participation. If we were permissive of what went on in our heads the damage has already been done we might as well have done the physical. Because our system has been poisoned. I told you that you have to abort human mind in order to take in Next Level mind. The same thing happens in reverse you begin to abort Next Level mind as you insist on taking back in human mind. They don’t occupy the same space. There’s certain level of Next Level mind that can cohabitate with certain level of human mind. Higher level human mind cannot come into your pillow case unless you get rid of and show your commitment to staying rid of it if you bring it back Next Level mind will be pulled from you to the degree that you brought it back and then you’ll have to convince Next Level that you want it back because they’ll say you asked for it and I gave it to you. What did you do with it? You brought things in that caused it to be aborted.
How could you not believe me when I say they cannot coexist? I can’t count the times that students have said I’m going to lick this. I want none of this its hideous and yet certain hours of the day or certain hours of the week they’ll go participate in the very thing that they said they will let themselves be blinded they’ll move into another head-space because they’d refuse to withdraw the DTs.
When you’re withdrawing from an addiction, to concepts and activity of the human world you have to stay committed around the clock to the abortion of those things that poison Next Level mind or cannot coexist with Next Level mind. I’m telling you the truth. You can bank on it. I don’t believe I should say ‘I could be wrong’ because I know from experience they cannot coexist. I know my Older Member pulls away from me when I do things that do not please my Older Member and I can sit there and say while my throat is dry: How can I get closer to my Older Member? Yet I continue to do the things that my Older Member does not want to be in my presence and you can say: Well how does my Older Member even know that I’m doing them? Listen, we reek of what we thing, we reek of what we do. I wish at times I did not know what was on your minds, what thoughts you participate in. I have to work at not knowing because I don’t want to invade you and I can’t tell you what you should be doing, you have choice of what you want to do yet I can’t help but be aware of what you’re dealing with by choice.
Initially when it comes to you it was not by choice, it comes to you because you asked for growth. That difficulty came to you because you asked for growth. What are you supposed to do? You’re supposed to abort it. You’ve got to learn to control the mechanism of the brain you’ve go to learn to be quiet – you’ve got to learn when to not have thoughts you should be. You know I’ll hand it to some of these who mediate and meditate if they really know how to clear and stay clear and stay clear. But you can’t have your balloon filled up with dead clear. I mean that’s not going to get you anywhere either.
If you want to progress you have to be in a mode of taking in. When I’m asking and I’m receiving nourishment and I am asking for situations that will help me conquer and they are sent to me and let’s say it took me 15 rounds in the ring with that fellow and he still licked me what am I going to do quit? Say I’m no good? Or say if he’s the guy that you want me to fight with, I’m going to prove to you that I can lick him. It’s not for you to decide who you need to fight  with, its for the Next Level to decide who you fight with. It’s your job to win the battle, win the rounds, win the rounds.
The same guy that comes to you—if you had a weakness there, the Next Level will use that weakness from here on out to strengthen you, to strengthen you. So that when he comes what used to be 15 rounds becomes 14, and it was 16 it becomes 13 and 17 becomes 11 and then 14 becomes 7 and it starts going up and then might fall back and starts going up until you have that guy you can handle him in the first round and then you have that guy that you thought was insurmountable and you have him by the first blow. Because you used to be in the whole first round with him before you realized you were even fighting. (class laughs) I’m serious!, and you know that I’m serious that’s the reason you’re laughing because you know, you would fight that guy a whole round before you even recognized what was going on. And then soon you learn what going on and you say I’m not going to go 3 minutes with this guy I’m going to shorten it and shorten it, your effort shortens your time. Shortens increases your development, gets you moving faster on the track. Actually the track becomes slower for you, time becomes slower for you.
Student: When you really begin to have it in your control, it slows down?
DO: That’s right. Time slows down.
Student: You mean.., like a week will feel like a month?
DO: No, a month will feel like a day. And to me it hasn’t sped up it has slowed down.. You follow what I’m saying?
Student: Yes I do.
DO: it’s gone just the reverse where the time has meant nothing to me and even this little idea – once you get into the vehicle that’s not designed to perish and decay like a human vehicle. If the AMA learned everything that there was to learn about every disease — of course everything that they call a disease is not a disease its part of a design to recycle that vehicle – I mean it’s not designed to go on and go on and go on. By Next Level standards it was nothing but a plant and a container from the offset. There was not life in it, there was no soul until Next Level put a deposit in it. Once there’s a deposit in it that has life in it for the first time but even the possessor of that life has to do something about it in order to keep life there and make it grow. If the life grows and grows and becomes bigger and strong then time all but stands still. The way it stands still is like a day, you can get 1000 years work done in a day. No decay is taking place, there is no destruction taking place its— and this sounds crazy, it’s hard to get this in your head and it’s irrelevant to us at this point but it is what is meant by Next Level vehicles, physical containers for your souls when you are a Member of the Next Level its not designed to go out on you.
They may have you go to the wardrobe and take a vehicle that was designed to go out for a period of time. But you would take it off like you would take off a suit of clothes and not lose any consciousness, there would be no shock, no change you’d be like whoa time to get rid of that suit because this suit was designed to go out after a period of time.
There’s other suits that are designed imperishable. But what’s more important is what’s in the suit that becomes imperishable, because the less of you that is in it, the more you are simply the container for Next Level mind the more imperishable it is, you cannot be gotten rid of. You are still that soul, that container that mechanism of choice that says more, more, I’m thirsty I want more, I want to get rid of this. That is you. That is all that is you but as that advances you become not concerned for you but concerned for your unit or concerned for your place as a spoke in a wheel. That’s not a put down, its glorious its so much more important than what an individual can become, its ridiculous. Any individual that can become anything as an individual instead of how the creator designed it is very short lived. Until it is no more. (Do whispers) there with that yawn.
(Class laughs)
DO: These little plants as they hear this kind of stuff they’re just like (yawns) and they yawn.
Student: Should we ask the Next Level for less yawns?
DO: Yes, you can.
Student: Next Level, I would like less yawns.
(Class laughs)
DO: when you feel, that you’re getting— you need to keep aware of your vehicles condition when you’re getting sluggish which you can easily get when we’re talking about this information you can easily almost receive so much nourishment in this manner that you forget to feed oxygen into the vehicle and so the vehicle is going like this (does motion) and you’re like Hey, I wanted to listen, what’s happening? And you have to make an effort to get alert again and take in enough air systematically to keep it active. Listen, when my Older Member is speaking through me it’s such a joy to me to give it away I’m afraid at times I can even drain energy from whoever is close in order to deliver that information.
I’ve experienced that happen too many times, when Ti and I would sit next to each other at meetings and it was really going and it was really strong and the other one was going like this and we’d have to systematically bring it back to life, it’s like a battery that’s lending itself. If I was speaking and Ti was listening very carefully and trying to feed to me and trying to help me when I go a little astray or in any way, that energy that Ti would be feeding me while I was speaking, it would cause Ti to get erect again and take in more air in order to keep the vehicle from collapsing and I know when I get excited when I’m being used in that way that I can easily without realizing it draw whatever energy that is available to tap in order to assist in the delivery of that information. It’s just part of the mechanism. Okay, what time is it?
Student: 9:20(pm)
DO: you have to be out of here by 8 in the morning. Okay we’re going to call it quits for the night so let’s talk for a minute— Turn the tape off.

TI and DO Audio Transcript 005 – Program for Perfect Health by Meditation to Eliminate Stress

April 13, 2019
Tape Log entry: 005 07/20/82 Guilt-Conflict-Stress =vehicle breakdown. Program for health-eliminate stress. 15min.
(Rkkody wrote in the Tape Log that The Classroom designed the Tape Log)
(005A-0-1.RM – Originally transcribed by New Believer in TI and DO – Nisha).
(Rkkody digitized the original audio tape into .RM files (some have the .OGG formatted files that New Believer in Ti and Do, Peter improved the sound of, from the .RM files).
(Edited on 4-13-2019 by Sawyer (Swy) – Classroom name: Swyody – for expediency I didn’t always re-listen to the tapes, so just corrected the obvious parts that didn’t change anything, except where noted by additional (? and/or comments) that sometimes would warrant re-listening to them.)
(Sawyer did re-listen to this tape and made some minor corrections)
DO (talking in a very slow soft voice): Greetings to you from Ti and Do. We respect each of you, for you are members of the Next Level. We have some information that we want to try make clear. I think probably for the first time in this incarnation We are fairly thoroughly understanding of the vehicles “breakdown” and “healing” process, and what causes disease and problems with the vehicle and also how these problems can be overcome.
I’m going to start off by saying, the major cause of vehicular breakdown is stress and stress from conflict. Lets say that as a child you decided to– or lets say that one example of conflict could be guilt carried over from childhood.
For example, lung cancer or difficulties with the lungs, which we blame tobacco for is rightfully blamed on a deep-seeded guilt lets say an individual might have for acting out and smoking a cigarette behind a barn or somewhere when he knew that his parents were opposed to it, but the guilt stayed there and set up the circumstance so that the tobacco could really do its number on causing destructive cells to begin to work and accumulate. Now, let’s say tobacco has been stopped some years later doesn’t necessarily mean that deep seeded guilt had not been surfaced and eradicated. Now, this is just an example, I’ll give you a couple of examples of things that require that you be pretty above responding as humans:
Let’s say that a female in her adolescence was very self conscious about the size of her breasts. Either they were too big and she was self conscious about them or they weren’t as big as she wanted them to be when she was very much into that level of thinking, that being conflict there with the vehicle not being what the person wanted it to be, could cause a deep seeded destructive tendency in the cells of that area of the body. Which is of course cause for many cases of beast cancer or difficulties with malignant or non-malignant growths or abnormalities caused in that area of the body.
Let’s say the instance to that of early sex. While something that you wanted to do, but there was also that fear and a guilt, a deep seeded guilt because you might have felt that you were doing it before you should be doing it and it was let’s say you were too young if you snuck around to do it and this caused such things as prostate or vaginal or testicle or cancers or growths, things that occurred because of a deep seeded conflict, mental conflict.
Let’s say that someone wanted to, wanted to not see something and the conflict there could cause difficulties with the eyes.
We want you to think really long and hard on how this natural process works when causing breakdowns in the vehicle because of your not liking certain aspects of the vehicle.
Now this can apply to since you’ve been on this endeavor if trying to become a Member of the Next Level. You also have maybe slipped into guilt or shame regarding certain areas of your body or lets say you feel that your vehicle still wants to respond in a sensuous way and rather than translating that in a higher way, you have guilt and conflict toward those parts of your vehicle.
You should have frown enough by now to look at the reproductive parts of the vehicle in a much higher way than sex. In other words those reproductive organs can assist your body by abstinence in using those organs in a higher way but you still, well if you have healthy reproductive organs those organs can produce a vitality throughout your body that can even assist you and assist in your power, your strength to overcome the poisons or disease or conflict, of difficulty with your body.
So, as you meditate think carefully that your body is perfect, not perfect in a way a human cares to see because you don’t care anymore but your body is perfect, it’s whole, there’s nothing wrong with it. It doesn’t have anything about it that you dislike, it’s a perfect creation of the Next Level and all of its systems you want to be perfect and to function perfectly even though they will be functioning differently than they functioned when you were functioning as a human.
So in your mediation as you think of your vehicle as perfect and from one end to the other realize that it is exactly as it should be and go to every part of the vehicle that might even possibly have any ailment, pain or discomfort where there might have been any deep seeded guilt or self consciousness or shame or any type of conflict say to, direct your thought to that part of the body and say: “Healthy cells–“, in my, let’s say I have difficulty in my abdomen, then I’m going to say: “Healthy cells in my abdomen, you are going to be strong and overpower any unhealthy cells, you’re healthy, white, strong, large cells that are going to just eat up and eradicate any destructive or diseased cells in that area.”
Do this many times a day, even as you go about your work, you don’t have to be in a meditative position to practice this, even though practicing it thoroughly while you are in a meditative posture can certainly be more concentrated assistance, but even as you go about your chores and you become aware of those parts of your body that might have shown some symptoms of difficulty then immediately let your thoughts very strongly go to that area and tell the strong, white, large healthy cells and all the energy in your body to direct for that moment, that healing strength, that white light, that healthy energy to those cells and overcome any weak cells that are there or any diseased cells.
Think on this until you can really understand how the process of decay has worked or disease has worked and if you understand it thoroughly then you can understand that the same is true of the reverse that now you must apply the same amount of effort toward healing those areas as you did effort applied in guilt or shame or self consciousness. And when that effort has equalized those parts of your vehicle that have tried to breakdown on you will be perfect again.
Even, let’s say, that your surroundings caused you to be very hyper or very nervous or you just couldn’t tolerate the circumstance that you were in, say in childhood or adolescence or since then, or difficulties you’ve had in overcoming your vehicle. Now, zero in on those aspects of your vehicle, whether it’s your nervous system or particular parts of your vehicle, zero in on those and soothe them, calm them, flatter them if necessary. Make them know that there is nothing wrong. The cellular structure of those nerves or of those parts of your body they are perfect and if they are not perfect, then they are quickly going to become perfect with the application of your energy directed towards them and in healing them.
This is basically the principle employed through the ages by Jesus, by any who knew the actual workings of the physical mechanism and knew how to translate the energies into higher applications instead of translating them in ways that humans might have translated them.
Thank you.

Pineapple Street Heavens Gate Episode 6 x-member claims DO becomes Psychotic

December 17, 2017

Here is Sawyer’s response to the Pineapple Street Media’s podcast series Heaven’s Gate – episode 6 – The Choice – featuring x-Heaven’s Gate cult member – Frank (Andody) who joined together with Erika (Chkody) who joined from the same Waldport, Oregon meeting as did Sawyer (Swyody) in 1975.

Chkody was among the 38 who laid down their human vehicles lives with DO in March of 1997 and her statement is included in the podcast from the Student Exit Videos.

My response here is not to find fault with Frank in any way shape or form as he made his choice to join and made his 17+ year choices to stay in the cult and has since continued to make choices on how to think and talk publically about TI and DO and his experience. My aim is to present the side of a believer in Ti and Do, that I am and in that sense believe I can speak for Chkody (Erika) as well.

I consider all former classmates to be family because of our joint experience but when they say things that in my opinion misrepresent TI and DO, I feel committed to speak up about it, so the side for TI and DO is provided for others to judge for themselves what to believe about them. That voice for them is infrequently heard otherwise.

However, in life for all people, different people often come away with different responses to the same circumstances and especially when it comes to beliefs even within the same organization. I learned this many years ago pertaining to this Heaven’s Gate story, when I visited with Frank in Seattle, around 2005 and we had completely different takes of at least one event we both experienced in the classroom. Now I know there are a number, even many more.

Frank says, (regarding he and Ericka’s joining with TI and DO); “When first joining I was mixed about not being together anymore but didn’t want to miss the opportunity and [they would] take it one step at a time.” He says it “didn’t sink in that it would be the end of the relationship” (with Erika).

Erika said in the Exit tape she made, that at the Waldport meeting it was “instant recognition” (of Ti and Do and/or their information) for her.

I also experienced that instant recognition. It wasn’t like I had a deja vu experience, thinking I recognized TI and/or DO. For me it was a recognition that their information spoke to me as being true which felt so different from all the other spiritual minded quests I’d read about or experimented with up until then. I knew I had to go with them and knew it meant leaving all behind and giving it my 100% of time and energy. I knew that included breaking up with my partner, now known as Sarah (Srfody), one of the Heaven’s Gate Webmasters with Mark (Mrcody), whom I had lived with for five years before then. She was from the same home town on Long Island where we met and who I fell in love with and who I sought to build my life with that included moving to the British Columbia, Canada bush/mountain country to try to homestead.

When Sarah and I left the Waldport/Newport, OR area, about the third day after the meeting in Waldport with Ti and Do, which was the time frame recommended to “get our house in order,” not having any other circumstances to require more time, (as some others had with house ownership and children even), I recall Sarah for the first time in even years wanting to snuggle and perhaps have sex. This was unusual because I had become the sole instigator of that physical part of our relationship and just a month or two before that time Sarah had started up a relationship with another man named Hobbit that followed what might have been another, possibly with a Canadian man (Aldi) who came to visit us and who she went up to visit. (I only know for sure about her open fling with Hobbit, but what was clear is that she hadn’t been happy with me for quiet some time and how she hitchhiked up to Canada without me to pursue.)

I was heartbroken by those events that did not work out for her so she wanted to get back together with me which I agreed to, having recovered from her choices but I was not angry with her for. I’m not faulting her for wanting someone else, but to then want me in that physical way for the first time in a long time, by her instigation struck me then as very odd and for the first time in our 5 year relationship I turned her down.

My point in explaining this, is that it appeared to be an indicator that she may not have had the same kind of instant recognition I had and would explain why she had a number of episodes in the classroom that showed that and led to her wanting to leave when the opportunity presented itself with Mark’s choice to no longer abide by DO’s teaching lesson step that was referred to as “I could be wrong.” That lesson step was designed to reduce our dependence in our own human mind over the Mind from our Older Members – Ti and Do. That lesson step was kin to when TI told us all that, “you need to give us your will” in around 1978. And it seems to be exactly what Jesus taught when he said to be his disciple one needed to “deny yourself” and is what would be a primary part of a disciples prayer to their Heavenly Father that requested that “your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”.

I was not mixed about breaking up with Sarah, though I won’t say it wasn’t a little awkward when I did see her, but like Frank described, we two were also separated and when we traveled were assigned to different groups.

The Host of the show then says: “It was drilled into the followers that human emotions were not allowed in the Next Level” and something about how one could not be “in love” and get to the Next Level.

That’s a huge distortion to say, as human emotions were not banned. We had no procedure that said, Thou shall have no emotions. I’d bet most members laughed every day and it would have been inappropriate to laugh at another expense or behind the back of others like is frequent in the human kingdom.

We still experienced sadness at times, like when we individually slipped from our goals, but it’s true we were taught not to linger in that sadness and use it to stimulate having an even better handle on those goals. (One goal would be to remain celibate in both body and mind). We were taught to maintain a “pleasant countenance”, a part of controlling our vehicles vibration.

If someone was “down in the mouth”, it wasn’t like they would be reprimanded by anyone but it showed they were troubled about something so their partner or the Overseeers of a department they were in, might ask them about it or write to Ti and Do about it, as it could be a sign that they aren’t happy even being here if they couldn’t override it.

Another time for some sadness was when TI and DO pushed us to be more “thirsty” for next steps. There was never any yelling or raising of voices or threats of any kind, nor punishment, like happens all the time in the human kingdom to keep people in line, to keep their jobs, etc.

On a rare occasion we learned they were displeased with us. The times I’m thinking of just so happened to take place when we were living in Austin and DO delivered the news in one of those cases. Ti had instigated choral singing of Christmas carols, that she did not participate in, as she said she wanted us to learn to look to DO for direction. (DO never sang with us, more than a few notes to demonstrate how to sing a certain phrase). Mllody played piano. We sang for TI after we’d practiced some and some in the class designed new lyrics to the song, The Twelve Days of Christmas. We gave TI a little concert. A very short time later, DO held a meeting without TI present and said something about our lyrics disturbed TI. Those lyrics were “ten years a waiting…” (meant to imply waiting for the pickup). The students who wrote those lyrics that we practiced separately, I believe were drawing from knowing that TI and DO hating being here because the vibration had become so distorted. TI even thought parts of the plant kingdom showed that lower vibration. The example I can recall was how TI thought the oak trees she saw growing in Texas weren’t designed to grow all crooked and twisted up like they are. They wanted the task to be over, so they could go back to resume the life style and physical vehicles and positions they had before coming to earth to do this task.

TI considered being in the human kingdom like being in a snake pit and I didn’t see it that way, even a little until after I left and I realized that to us, it’s normal for there to be all kinds of sneakiness, deceit, back biting, back stabbing, profiteering to another detriment, manipulations, predatory behaviors, legalized robbery and murder, sold as collateral damage to anybody who is in the wrong place at the wrong time because their leaders stand in the way of certain agendas, Examples as of late are found in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, etc where people are killed or die because of.

But what DO helped us see was how He was with his Older Member and we were with our Older Member so we weren’t going to have the same longing to leave. We should have been happy to stay as long as it’s our task to stay. We were not really “waiting” to exit as we had our Overcoming tasks to do and needed to be here to finish it. TI didn’t need to learn the lessons we were having.

I realized, in a sense, since originally they said we’d be picked up in “months” and “not later than 5 years”, both of which didn’t come true, it was like pushing that into TI’s face to say we were waiting. By the way, TI had said one time that the reason the “demonstration” didn’t happen as they thought it would was because the students were not ready to leave then. That would explain how Revelation 11 regarding the Two Witnesses could be translated in several ways because of the varied time frames in the prophecy in between their being “subdued” and then “separating by dying themselves” (also having several interpretations that could have worked to demonstrate fulfillment).

There was also no prohibition from enjoying a food or a sunset or mountain view or the colors and aromas of flowers, etc, though Ti and Do taught that we would outgrow even those degrees of sensual stimulus.

But yes having emotion between students was taught to be suppressed and redirected to one aim, to foster that emotion with only our Heavenly Father, though TI, before she exited made it very specific that our commitment (love) was to be towards DO only. TI instigated this and it was the lesson step of making one’s “committal” to DO, which we did individually and privately in notes that would go directly to Ti and Do. They didn’t tell us what to say in our notes but we were required to express ourselves. If we couldn’t it was a sign that we weren’t in the right place being in that classroom.

As a matter of fact, I think it safe to say that everything Ti and Do taught, said and did had the potential of “testing” our commitment if we made one. That’s the nature of being a student in a cult – there are no tail feathers on the teachers – no degrees in Theology or affiliation with the rich and famous or to huge mega million dollar organizations that all tend to give us a sense of credibility, whether we see it or not.

So it’s true that one can not graduate into the Next Level when married (committed and “in love” with another human). Jesus taught this when he said:

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection ((rising, Standing up again, graduation)) they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Marriage was the form of making that committal, TI said, was started by the Next Level, to bring some structure to whom one propagated with. It became known as adultery when people broke the various procedures that governed such commitments and relationships. Jesus said Moses gave in to his students to allow them to divorce. Moses and Jesus taught that the aim was for students to give all their heart, all their mind, all their soul and all their strength to God, but when a Representative from God’s kingdom wasn’t physically present in a human vehicle with us then the way we would show our love for God was to demonstrate it by loving our neighbors as ourselves. In other words we were to see all humans we lived among as our neighbors. It’s not a theoretical “love” and nor was it meant as a sexual love, but a friendly love.

So as long as one was abiding by the teachings of the Next Level in that regard as best they could, getting up whenever they fall short of that, they were still growing closer to becoming members of the Next Level. All the plants in the “garden” don’t grow at the same rate and have bursts of growth at the same times and to the same degrees. So the lesson steps, though everyone can apply them, are given in stages so no one has more on their plate than they can handle, that is if they look to the Next Level for help.

The Next Level determines which souls or spirits still have the capacity to advance closer to graduation and “saves” them for a future opportunity, though they turn up the heat for each of us to make our choices of whom to serve, like Jesus said between making our master, God (The One true kingdom of God in whatever terms, secular or religious) OR Mammon (human mammalian forms of treasure and wealth)

TI and DO said that the Next Level still loves Lucifer and that they have given him and his associates who fell many opportunities to get back on track, even though the more one goes against the Next Level’s present Representatives teachings the harder it gets to change, so that one subtly loses whatever degree of recognition they once had. Thus the lessons need to get harder for that soul to be stimulated to change.

Frank then talks about how: “my thoughts at times were filled with doubts and questioning everything…”, which he indicated was part of what compounded with the “suppression of feelings” that resulted in the development of a deeper voice and a stutter in his speech.

I do wonder where Frank got the understanding that DO’s mimic of his suddenly deeper voice was expressing a masculine voice. I don’t recall if DO spoke about it at that meeting but I doubt he did, though not saying it’s not possible. The way Frank says it in the broadcast was, “…he was conveying to me that I was expressing a masculine voice.” Whatever DO said or didn’t say, Frank said he felt “humiliated – ashamed for expressing my masculinity” and said he had a “deep seated anger of who is he to express how I should speak”.

I guess by that point it shows that just being a body in the classroom didn’t necessarily mean much when one’s mind was far apart, so in this way DO’s response of repeating a low sounding voice, that Frank sees as mimicking, and may be an accurate depiction became a test to get him “off the fence,” he had apparently been on, or he wouldn’t have built up a “deep seated anger” towards DO as he reported.

Why was Frank angry? I don’t know if he gave reasons why he was angry. In terms of his reporting his response to DO’s “mimic” of thinking, “who is he [DO] to express how he [Frank] should speak,” DO was the individual he chose to leave all behind to follow, at that point for over 10 years. As far as I could tell, Frank was as committed to Ti and Do’s process as anyone else but what was going on in his head or that he might have talked about with him partners and/or TI and DO was not known to me.

But at that point of the mimic, it seems Frank didn’t see DO as his teacher or he wouldn’t have had “deep seated anger” because he would have been keeping things surfaced.

I was given a number of personal lessons and in none of them was I embarrassed. All the students got lessons in group and personally. Had I been Frank’s partner then and say he starting talking in a much lower than usual voice, I probably would have felt obligated to mention it to him, bring it up to him to examine it, and perhaps I would have written a note to DO about it since it was my partner and partners were instructed to ask one another for their observations and help to see their ways that were not the ways taught to us from TI and DO.

There was no procedure on how to speak and what tone our voice would have but this was certainly not normal for Frank so it was in itself a “red flag” that something was wrong. Now to clarify, if a partner knew their partner had been working with DO on any behavior or way, the partner wouldn’t try to step in. I never said anything to Frank about his low voice and/or stutter and I doubt anyone else would have either as it was then between him and DO. At the time I didn’t even think about it at all really. It was strange but I didn’t have a judgement about it. That wasn’t my business – we were all taught to keep our eyes on our own behavior and ways, unless something came about that we had to pay attention to.

Frank says, “I was not allowed to be me… not safe to express who I am…” and that was true because who “me” was needed to shift from the old “me” to the new “me”, from the caterpillar “me” to the butterfly “me”. It was getting rid of a human form of individuality.

Ti and Do taught that no humans are really individuals because we don’t know how we become the product of the discarnate influences that attach to us. They taught that who we really are is the “chooser” of what to think, say and do, which decided which discarnates we accept and which we reject. And there is nothing wrong with that. It’s a beautiful design of the human kingdom but was never meant to be satisfying, hence why we go through stages of “seeking” what more there might be, though that may only surface in our conscious as dissatisfaction with who we are, what we are doing.

If by “suppression of feelings” Frank is referring to not being allowed to play out his feelings for Erika, yes that was part of the program. And yes I agree that according to Ti and Do, not changing our human feelings to feelings for TI and DO’s Mind, instructions, procedures, behaviors and ways in the Next Level Program for us, could have negative mental and/or physical consequences, as DO talked about in relationship to Terrie’s physical ailments, from the suffering in relationship to her dealing with her mother’s absence from her life, which DO indicated could have been largely subconscious because of her root system to TI, her vehicle’s mother.

Additional suppression of feelings we all had to impose upon ourselves to be in the program 100% was by blocking out the past and thus suppressing feelings for our human family, friends, career, goals, forms of entertainment, desires that even include doing what one wants to do when one wants to do it. Rkkody exemplified this last point. He left the class no less than three times and was able to stay in touch so returned each time until he laid down his life in 1998. It became known among class members in a light hearted way, since DO knew Rkkody both recognized his Older Member and I know, loved him, that he felt confined at times and just wanted to be able to “go out and get a pizza when he wanted to”. DO, I believe brought specific example at a meeting when Rkkody had returned.

But this suppression of the expression of human feelings for things that used to be in our lives, didn’t have to be a negative just like not giving into sensuality, though perhaps somewhat unhealthy to a human’s normal health, if it was purely voluntary and dealt with, as such feelings surfaced, wouldn’t become a negative in that program. For instance, when I joined I knew I was going to have to cease playing musical instruments. I was part of a 4 piece band who had gigs in and around Newport, Oregon. I left them and sold my instruments. (By the way I don’t recall TI or DO or any of their literature spelling that out. I just knew it. But on that subject, I used to have dreams that I was trying to play the flute and couldn’t get the notes out, like I didn’t have the wind. For the first month after joining I had a flute with me that I brought to try to sell on the road. I didn’t feel to play it and I knew I was starting a new life and such things would no longer be in it. I sold it and used the money to buy a broken down car that lasted maybe a week.

But had I longed to play music, I imagine if I didn’t block out those feelings and shift my attention to the activities in the classroom at that time, they could have become pent up stress that over time could get stronger and could have tempted me to want to leave because of and/or could have taken a toll on my health in some ways. So that becomes compounded, the more things like that we don’t block out of our consciousness.

Frank said when he left the cult he was “elated”. In a sense I was also when I left, noting that I enjoyed doing simple things for myself, like choosing what I wanted to eat.

The way TI and DO would explain that, was that once we leave the class, we were “going with our discarnate influences” re-attracting the influences we had been keeping at bay by not giving into doing the things that the influences sought to attach to us to do through our vehicle; i.e. playing an instrument, fixing a meal of our choice, playing a sport, having a relationship, having sex, pursuing a career, etc.

Thus leaving the class eliminated that conflict which the vehicle then felt elated by. However, according to Jesus (just like what Ti and Do taught in different terms) we then attract “7 other demons that are worse than what we had to deal with before.” I can’t say I can count 7 discarnates that sought to attach to me after I left, but I can recognize characteristics of thinking I have to deal with now that I never had to deal with before and during the classroom time. For instance of late I’ve seen myself judging what others do and how others physically look to me. In the past I would have recognized differences in people’s appearance but now I’ve got an opinion about it that sort of defines the “book by it’s cover” which to me is a demon. However, I do still retain Ti and Do’s teachings so when I hear those thoughts I treat them as demons and shoe them away. Ti and Do taught that we are not responsible for the thoughts that occur to us, but we are responsabile for the thoughts we allow to linger in our consciousness.

In a comment Frank made on the Episode 5 facebook page, he said something about not suppressing feelings while not always “acting (them) out” either, but allowing ourselves to express them as being good for us to do. I’m not saying some of that can not be advantageous. I suspect that’s the basis of “confession of sins (missed the mark)”, to get things off our chest. We had regular weekly “slippage meetings” for that purpose, yet had a bunch of procedures of what not to bring up (sexuality, not even using the word) except as a generalization of something to the affect of “I gave into sensuality” and in that case would add that we wrote a note to TI and DO explaining the details. We had instruction to not blame anyone else for our slippage and to provide a remedy with each one, so what one might say, “I entertained thoughts of the past” and my remedy was to “nip it in the bud” better next time.

But I wonder if repeating our feelings over and over could be considered by Ti and Do as an indulgence in those thoughts and thus a strengthening of them and if there are others present who are susceptible to their influence an even greater negative to say out loud.

Ti and Do taught that the thoughts and feelings we have become what we are and what we “believe” and what we get when we exit these vehicles, whether they are based in reality and what degree or not. The more we entertain these beliefs the stronger we become them. When class members entertained thoughts that doubted DO they also separated from him, from His Next Level Mind and start to lose touch more and more with recognizing who He and TI are and who they represent and from having the strength to ward off the Lower Forces misinformation attacks. This applies to all aspects of the classroom, not just to doubts. When we don’t do our homework by kicking out thoughts, behaviors and ways that are not from their mind, to include thoughts/feelings of sensuality we separate from him.

Frank expressed this was happening from the start so it’s no wonder he came to see DO in a different light than that classmates that stayed, including Chkody (Erika) and others, to the point that he began to see DO, in his words as “a little psychotic” when DO brought to his students attention, after the Branch Davidian ATF/FBI murders in 1992, his consideration of the way we might get firearms to pose a threat to authorities who might then become the instruments of our laying down our vehicles lives.

Note – Even though Jesus rebuked Peter when he struck, with a sword, one of the Jewish military (Sanhedrin guards) who came to capture Jesus by his arrangement, Jesus was against violence yet instructed his disciples to have a sword with them:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Why did they need to carry swords this time when they went out to preach about him when they didn’t have them before when he sent them out. Was he trying to pose a threat without suggesting use of the sword when he said:

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Perhaps some that they would encounter in their travels might cause some to think twice about confronting them. Jesus at their last supper together told them their task was to go out and tell the truth about what they heard and experienced from Jesus. Jesus knew that if they hated him they would hate his students too since they were of the same Mind. So Jesus led them to “laying down their human lives,” because they chose to follow him, as he was demonstrating. Jesus said that they would have to “drink from the same cup” that was literally willing to shed their blood as he was willing to do because this was part of their demonstration of their overcoming aka their Christing (metamorphic) task.

But hearing this perspective from DO, I admit was a tiny bit challenging for me to consider doing anything with a weapon, yet I knew TI nor DO would condone being violent. They considered the governments that murdered people and built weapons for that purpose as primitive savage “snakes” or “weeds”, while many in society see it at best as so called necessary evil, yet the only necessary evil as Jesus taught was in the provision of the Luciferian fallen angel space alien souls that provided our choices to go against God’s laws or not. Thus that presentation became a test of each students recognition of DO and whether they chose to override doubts and negative judgements of him or not.

It’s quite possible and even probable that the entire premise of laying down our vehicles by the hand of the govt was unlikely, at least at that time during the First Wave (Classroom), though could still apply into the future as it did after Jesus left, which is indicated in Jesus’ prophecy as occurring during the 5th Seal Opening time period. We are currently in the start of the 4th Seal Opening time period, that of the Green Horse (human vehicle) (Trump) – money, wealth being in charge which followed Obama as the “black or jacinth “horse” (human vehicle) that coincided with the wall street banking crisis in 2007-8. This followed the Red Horse (G.W. Bush and administration as the Red (Ruddy) horse who brought the endless war on terror, starting in 2000 after DO fulfilled the task of the White horse when he came public starting in the 1990’s in ways that can be documented to show demonstrating the remaining 6 of 7 roars (thunders) from the Lion of the Tribe of Juda.

But at this time, it seemed more and more apparent that DO saw the modus operandi of the Luciferian Space Alien “Fallen Angels” at this time as mostly to ignore He and TI and their returning crew of “saints”. That’s what prompted him to get bolder with what we claimed in the 1994 meeting posters and presentation, even stating in the last poster what the “shedding of our vehicles may be required”.

In the Portland, Oregon meeting in early 1994, that we do have on tape, DO expressed this to some degree, considering that we might have to get even bolder to put the truth in front of more people that could also generate a response that could assist us in our exit, as it did 2000 years ago, where people thought they were killing in God’s name.

The authorities have become the unwitting instruments of the lower forces of this planet, thus they will in many cases justify their agendas – the execution of atrocities all over the planet, seeing even their murders as “collateral damage” to keep their authority and profiteering.

DO had followed the Randy Weaver story that followed Waco and the Freemen story as well and though he never supported anyone’s enacting violence against anyone, knew that potential for us to become targets existed so he sought to prepare us for that, should it happen before or after he left. So like Jesus he was following his instruction from his Older Member to even bring up the subject of firearms, taking his clue in that regard from the Waco event. That’s the way the Next Level works, using human’s choices to convert them into a Next Level positive, in this case, completing their task which always involved leaving earth without our human vehicles.

Yes, Do thought about this and the part that Ben Zeller read was written by DO but what wasn’t nor understood was how DO updated that writing and in so doing took away that entire section about taking up firearms. He first posted the initial document, entitled, “Undercover Jesus Surfaces Before Departure” on September 25-26, 1995 and in January of 1997 updated it that even changed the title to: “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure”. Jesus was put in quotes because as they always said neither Ti nor Do were Jesus because Jesus was the name of the vehicle an Older Member from the Next Level (who TI said was DO) incarnated into to perform that task. (Though they always said from 1974-6 that all the Revelations prophecies would be fulfilled that included Jesus coming in the 7th and last “closeness” where they considered themselves as the 6th closeness and that that coming was not to be a “teaching one” (like the 6th was via the Two Witnesses task of delivery of new information via speaking).

Below I provide a link to my blog post that shows the full comparison of these two versions of Undercover “Jesus” where the part about obtaining a firearm was removed.

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/do-reduces-the-requirements-to-leave-with-him-by-updating-undercover-jesus-surfaces-before-departure/

Plus he never manipulated anyone – there were never any locked door or fences around our campgrounds. Keys to cars were locked up every night because some would leave in the middle of the night sometimes and Ti and Do didn’t want to lose a car to them. Money was locked up for the same reason. Doors were locked to keep people from the outside from coming in. But I don’t recall phones were disconnected at night though we often had someone up all night doing a night watch task. If someone wanted to leave Ti and Do preferred they tell them and they always tried to help them with a bus or airplane ticket and sometimes with a car and/or some money as was the case with me. I was given a plane ticket and $600 in cash. They still almost always moved soon after someone would leave if Ti and Do felt they might reveal where we were, in case a private eye was looking for someone.

DO never entertained mounting any kind of attack against the government or to do any violent act against anyone ever (Their exit method was not violent. It was as gentle as one could imagine leaving one’s vehicle could be – the vehicle dying in one’s sleep).

However, further addressing that part of the Undercover…” post Ben Zeller read in Episode 6 was what came after describing – Believers in Them taking a stand, not being submissive to authorities (though not breaking any laws either) and how that could eventually lead to those authorities becoming the aggressors and seeing radicals with firearms as a threat to the public so could facilitate their exit of their vehicles.

DO was simply following his instruction from TI by outlining an option that the Next Level would find an acceptable way to both show our commitment to the Next Level by following, if we so chose, and as a way to lay down our vehicles to exit should authorities bring trumpeted up charges against us individually or as a group and not having to submit to them and their treatment of us. He made those posts in 1995, approx. 6 months or more after he had outlined for the entire class the procedure for self exiting that he still continued then to prepare for.

I know DO bought at least one rifle which I read about in Rio’s book saying Strody (a classmate with a 60 something year old female vehicle) did some target shooting when they were building what they called a “fortress” near Mansano, New Mexico. Rio didn’t indicate there was a program for all to learn to shoot the rifle.

I’m not sure where I got this, but thought if we got a rifle we would load it with blanks and/or learn to shoot above the heads of someone so if it was to be used it would appear to be a real threat. I can’t actually say I recall DO saying that so perhaps it was how I first dealt with the idea after the Waco murders of the Branch Davidians when DO first brought up the idea. It wasn’t an easy idea for me to handle as it faced me at the time with just how far I would go in my commitment to DO. Would I shoot someone, if I was given that instruction, I asked myself and what I felt was that I wouldn’t be asked to do that. But I did not question DO’s bringing it up and considering it, so like everything in the classroom it felt like another test that I would pass and it would not be the last such test.

The way I heard Frank speak of that classroom it sounded as if he resented the procedures, saying we had to “toe the line” as if it was drudgery as opposed to performing our task assignments with a sense of feeling very happy and even honored to do so. He said we were to “stay under the radar”, as if we were hiding when a huge part of the classroom overcoming process was to want to be transparent and to enjoy being watched all the time. In this context it would have only been a negative to be watched if we sought to hide something. I think from Franks admission he had something to hide thus appears to have resented being under that Next Level microscope.

Franks case and I, Sawyer also engaged in some deceit and tried to hide some of my behaviors. But to be clear this isn’t always totally conscious, so it may be mostly in hindsight that Frank has developed his apparent disdain for DO and the classroom experience.

Ti and DO used to compare their task on earth to being “undercover” and dropped behind enemy lines to where the only lifeline they had was their remote communication with the Next Level and that the task was so important that they didn’t want to say or do anything that would jeopardize the successful completion of that task. I didn’t see that as illusionary thinking. It made perfect sense to me. But a big part of being undercover was in the procedures they had to use to verify they are receiving instructions from their “heavenly Father” as opposed to the efforts of a human or human equivalent trickster. Before Ti left her vehicle she had taught DO how to engage that “checking” process. Part of that was running things by his “helpers” and/or “overseers”. But that was often combined with his observations of events in the world, with the Waco event.

The basis of having “check partners” was to perform all our tasks with more confidence we were working in accordance to our Older Member’s wishes. And partners were to help us be to our partners a “mirror” other sets of eyes to help us see our self and what we might be thinking, saying or doing differently from what our Older Members had taught. That is what Jesus meant by making one’s eye single – having 100% concentration on one aim – to follow our Older Member wherever he goes and in whatever he would have us do.

We needed to want to be subject to that “radar”. It was part of becoming crew minded and not seeking to shine for shining sake. “Behaving” – living according to the provided behaviors and ways, “Following procedures, the rules, to those that truly wanted to be there were very satisfying, very fulfilling and purposeful feeling. Anyone that has worked in a team effort knows how great it feels to be part of that team and how fun it is to work together as different spokes in the wheel and for those that were fully there, I know they felt that.

I’m not suggesting Frank didn’t experience a lot of this pride and satisfaction, but at least in the way he spoke that was put together by the Pineapple Street crew it would seem he has forgotten about or sees in a different light now.

We developed a lot of procedures surrounding our need to feed these vehicles, to set up the preparation of food as an experiment, which I see as ingenious – simulating the real deal of training to meet the qualifications of becoming a crew member in laboratories that are involved in the mechanics of a vast creation.

So Frank calls DO “controlling” and says he got even more controlling after TI left her vehicle, but the facts are that if one wants to consider him ever to be “controlling”, he became less of that after TI left.

If he became more controlling, then why did he send us back to visit families again in 1987? Why wasn’t their sending us to visit families in 1985 enough after the first 10 years of no such visits. The first visit was spoken of by Ti and Do as relieving anxieties family members had that they became most aware of when they found out about the Newsletter Nancy Brown started. It was because of that visit that Rthody decided to leave and is when Frank and Erika who traveled together would have had the chance to run away together and when I could have run away with “sarah” as we two traveled together (and I felt on the airplane and in a car with her, I did wonder if she was coming on to me, but I ignored it.

Starting in 1987 DO brought in a bunch of books, some about UFO’s, abduction reports, close encounters, UFO Crash at Aztec, that included autopsy reports from Dr. Leonard Stringfield. He started up a little video project I was on the committee for. He sent Lggody and others to UFO conferences in Arkansas and Nevada to video interview leading ufologists.

He started us into all kinds of health and longevity research. We had a little company called, ALERT (Advanced Life Extension Research Team). He had us publish a book called the Transfiguration Diet. I was assigned to drive one of our little carpools. I’d drop off classmates at their “out of craft tasks” (jobs in the world) and then go to mine by myself and during my lunch hour, I chose to visit book stores of my choosing to sell books. I could have easily just cashed my check one day and drove off with a Cadillac. I remember one time even having that thought, though it wasn’t a thought I had been entertaining so it had no affect on me, nor did I have any reason to want to leave.

It seemed we had more frequent times when we were required to spend 20 minutes or so opening the door of our minds to whether there was something in the world we wanted. When that time period was over we were to resume blocking out such thoughts. However, if we had been entertaining such thoughts it would have strengthened such thoughts.

DO offered students $2000 to leave the classroom saying he didn’t want anyone staying because of fear of going back into the world and because life in the classroom had become easy – communal living, no worry about the things humans had to worry about like paying bills, keeping a job, dealing with life in what TI called the “real world” as ours was a simulation of life on a spacecraft and if one person lost a job it didn’t break the bank.

DO brought in more books related to the bible – Strong’s concordance, 4-5 versions of the Bible, Dakes, the Parallel, an Amplified, the dead sea scrolls, about the Essenes, the Nag Hammadi library, the Inner Earth evidence from Admiral Byrd’s expedition and even the book Holy Blood Holy Grael that depicted Jesus tricking people to think he had died and resurrected and instead went to live in France where he started a family. That was not the story we thought happened so DO was providing us with that thinking and I don’t recall that he talked about the book.

DO wrote “’88 Update The UFO Two and their Crew”, in which he revealed before he had awakened how he had been leading a homosexual lifestyle. Who knows whether learning that tested some.

Srrody and I started two companies (DBA’s). One we called, Think Link and the second one was called Word Wise and we tried to secure contract programming jobs and got a few but we were on our own to plan what we would do and how.

Srrody and I started training classmates to do computer programming work. DO didn’t give us procedures on how to do that. Students who were intested in that line of work volunteered. Chkody was one of them, with Glnody.

We started making crosses out of fine/rare woods and inlayed semi-precious stones in some of them. Prkody (who left before Frank and has since died) was a primary and Srrody and I were on the crew and we ended up selling them. Do left us on our own as to their design as there are many different kinds of crosses.

When we dealt with the public at times we started being more honest about who we were, saying we were a monastic group. I remember when Lggody was assigned the primary position to design a portable stand for the two 7 foot diameter satellite dishes we had. I was Lggody’s check partner and he was brother Logan and I was brother Sawyer to the people we bought supplies from. That was a change from hiding the true nature of our group.

I never saw Ti nor Do as controlling anyway. If Frank didn’t want to be there, which he indicated was the case, then he was seeing what he chose to “see”. There was no manipulation and the controls were all voluntary so can’t be rightfully considered controlling.

We were taught to fully control our own vehicles, whether that meant not letting out gas outside the “bath chamber” or not allowing our vehicle to dwell on the past or on sensuality or even in imagining ways to fix the human world.

Finally, I will show how DO actually relaxed certain “controls” as to who could qualify to catch the eye of a member of the Level Above Human. This is shown by the differences between the first and last versions of the document DO wrote entitled, ‘Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure’. At first he expressed that “laying down” of one’s human body was needed to demonstrate one’s bond and leave with him to not be among those who are recycled. He changed it to “preparing to lay down one’s body” while not disqualifying that one could die from natural causes and still have their Soul saved for a future classroom. He also removed the prospect of taking up a firearm so the authorities might assist one in exiting their vehicle (not by doing any harm to anyone with it but just by having it when one might be apprehended by authorities for being a radical and not choosing to submit to being taken to jail on trumped up charges, for example).

As shown by my post on the way DO reduced the qualifications to leaving with him, the edit/update of Undercover “Jesus”… demonstrates without question less “control” over who could aspire to advance towards their own graduation.

Nor did DO demonstrate that “controlling and manipulative” person Frank and others try to paint him as, when Frank told DO he wanted to leave. Is asking him if he is sure evidence of controlling and manipulation? Lets say one of our kids who became an adult didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of their parents – to join and help run the parents’ company. Wouldn’t a good parent try to remind their offspring what they are giving up? That was DO appealing to that part of He and Ti’s Mind that was still in Andody’s vehicle – Frank. DO was showing how he cared for Andody to face him with that prospect. DO didn’t say no, he couldn’t leave or didn’t delay his leaving nor have students try to talk him out of it. Remember Frank had become DO’s student for around 17 years at that point and that meant passing by many “tests.”

Finally, Frank says when he was preparing to leave, “classmates were hovering around to make sure I didn’t take anything I wasn’t supposed to take,” another example of how he was in his own world as we had no instruction to watch him that I was aware of and I was one that took him to the airport. However perhaps Srrody did receive instructions to sort of usher him out of the classroom and that could have included giving back the silver wedding bands we wore, that DO gave us to represent our marriage to him (that TI before she left had told us to show to DO our commitment to him). DO at first started to wear a silver wedding band and then he had an event to where each student received one and he spent time with each student, silently as a more formal solidification of what that ring represented.

It’s interesting how that “marriage” relationship was described by Jesus related to the students in the end time. And it’s also interesting how the Luciferian space alien fallen angels stimulated a facsimile event with the Moonies where they had a huge mass marriage but not to him but to other students and it was nothing like in Ti and Do’s group as they really got married in the states eyes and I imagine were sexual and perhaps some went on to propagate, a distortion of what Jesus taught as for “angels” (in the making even) there is no marriage (as we think of marriage) and no propagation of the species. However, that wasn’t saying if one was married before they made their commitment to the Next Level entirely that they were not able to “marry” their Older Member. That option exists for as long as we each have a human vehicle.

It’s simply human mammalian behaviors needing to be outgrown to literally graduate into Next Level membership.

Glynn say’s DO became “more cruel” but where was there any evidence anywhere that he was ever cruel. What was cruel about he and Ti’s sending 19 students who followed them away from the group? What was cruel about spending all their money they received from donations on us, outfitting us to live outdoors for the first 3+ years without income?

Frank described Erika in the start of this podcast as being “loving, compassionate, bright, and intuitive” and yet he paints a picture of the individual (DO) who she, in the name of Chkody loved and gave her life to, as psychotic, manipulating and controlling and having lost his objectivity that led to her and the other student’s committing suicide. That doesn’t say much about her brightness and intuition.

What’s controlling and manipulative is shown in much of these podcasts, and in this episode in particular by putting such a focus on what Frank says to paint a picture to people that DO was controlling and cruel just like what was done to paint Ti as hypocritical in episode 4. None of these involved with this project are operating with a completely informed perspective so they might want to restrain publicly expressing their negativity. Like Jesus said the way we judge others will be the way we are judged. That’s because we become believers in our own judgement, so continue to draw to us the ramifications of having that judgement and we then become forced to “act it out”, which is why there has been an exponential increase in mass shootings, etc.

To me it’s also manipulative to depict Glynn’s early in life experience in a Christian “cult” that was hardly a cult at all comparing it to the Heaven’s Gate cult when there was nothing about them that were alike except for the references to things Biblical and of Jesus. It can easily be shown that all the religions and even today’s anti-religion groups are far from their origin in the case of Christians from the cultish Jesus teachings.

It’s easy to see how Glynn’s cult experience was not evidenced to have much of the real Jesus in it, thus why it did become an example of Luciferian influenced corruption as Jesus said would happen and spoke to as their being “false Christ(ians),” not even knowing what it means to be engaged in the Christing process – coming to trick people who can be tricked into thinking they are serving the One True Kingdom of God when they don’t know Him hardly, if at all. This is on a person by person basis and even if we do recognize the many ways we’ve been tricked, we can still change and the best advise for that is to seek what’s most true at any cost to previous ideas. That can only happen if we project our asking beyond the stars to reach the highest source we can imagine and then proceeding as a seeker – busting past previous limitations of what what might look like.

I’ve written about the dozens of examples that show how Ti and Do demonstrated the same behaviors and ways and requirements of students that Jesus required to join his cult and yet I get no time to say anything about any of that.

Most of the only things they ended up using from the interviews I gave were things they could use to paint a distorted, hypothetically inaccurate negative slanted picture of the real Ti and Do and crew.

Another example of their focusing on anything that painted a negative picture of Ti and Do and their class was shown in how David (Alxody) during one of his two visits to his vehicle’s family was videoed twisting a phone cord in his fingers. Perhaps it was nervous energy as he was subject to scrutiny from his brother(s) around then, but perhaps he always had some nervous energy. We all knew he had a lot of force. The point is why spend any time on that when there are hundreds of things to focus on that could directly inform the listener to more of the truth about Ti and Do and their group.

With all this said, I do still appreciate hearing all of what they found to put together into this series and I know the pressure of being a somewhat mainstream media organizations that needs to attract advertisers and not upset certain people in high places is enormous to negotiate and of course the status quo thinking is overwhelmingly against even considering for a second that Ti and Do could have been exactly who they said they were.

 

 

TI and DO Statement in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary

November 9, 2017

This statement below was published in a book entitled, UFO Missionaries Extraordinary in 1976, included with interviews with TI and DO in 1974 and 1975-6 by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger:

A Statement Prepared by The Two

Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible even the elect.

We bring no signs or wonders, nor do we claim to be Christs or prophets, but simply bear the same truth that Jesus bore in the season that he promised. We come from the same kingdom that he came from and bear witness to his teachings. Our Father’s kingdom is reached only in the way that Jesus taught and demonstrated.

Rev 22:17 And let him who is thirsty come, let him who desires take the water of life without price.

Rev 14:1-5 Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and the4y sing a new song before the throne and before the4 four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

What is Happening in the Heavens at This Time

If you could project your mind out into the heavens and look at the positions of planets and other solar bodies in this immediate solar system, then extend your observations even more distantly, you might not be able to see the actual physical manifestation of energy; but if you were sensitive you would be aware that there is at this time an intense energy source focusing on this planet.

How severely this energy is affecting other planets in this solar system, we don’t know – and it is not important to us. This energy focus might be more clearly understood if you picture a searchlight that is circling in the far distant heavens without interference from other bodies in the heavens, clearly shining on this planet as it did approximately two thousand years ago in it’s last orbiting.

Another way to picture this same energy field would be to imagine a very distant emission of energy that has been obstructed from this planet by the positional interference of other solar bodies. At this time it is as if an opening or a shaft has been made by the present position of the heavens, permitting a strong intensity of that energy field to focus directly upon Earth – as it did approximately two thousand years ago.

It really does not make any difference what the actual cause or reason behind the energy focus is. But to be aware of its presence – and thereby understand why the life forms on this planet are responding the way they are – is significant, and will be helpful in understanding and controlling one’s own individual response.

Everything in the heavens, including this planet, is in a constant process of change and response to change, and that response determines growth or decay. This little planet called Earth is a garden from which individuals whom man would label gods may be born. “Gods” because they are members of a kingdom level above the human – the “kingdom of God.”

When this planet came together and was formed by members (or a particular member in that level-above-human) whose responsibility or chosen endeavor was the creation of a new garden, it became the place where germination could begin and life forms could multiply. If the life forms survived all the intermediate lesson-steps of growth, they could work their way up to the human level.

Now at this particular time, when an intense energy source is striking the planet, graduation from the human level into the level-above-human, or the kingdom of God, is made available.

The Earth garden has had life forms survive in growth-motion into the human kingdom in previous civilizations. However, at the time when the availability was offered, those previous human civilizations were not able to make it through the transition from human to the level-above-human.

A lot of growth in levels-beneath-human seems to be more automatic in upward motion, for the strength of will that pushes the life form up a notch is, for the most part, not consciously aware of what it is doing when it graduates upwardly. At the human level, schoolchildren in the early grades are not consciously aware that they have grown by their choice. However, at the growth level where a human becomes a prospect for the next level (the level-above-human) he must be completely aware of what he is doing or he cannot complete the transitional experience.

It might be helpful to consider how graduation from one level to the next is deserved or reached. A dog who has become tired or disenchanted with the so-called normal activities of the dog world and finds his only pleasure in pleasing his master deserves to move out of the dog kingdom and into the beginning stage of the level that he chooses to serve.

Some dogs might accept the training to avoid punishment. Their motivation would not make them deserving of graduating into the kindergarten of the human level. But the dog who desires only the attention, approval, and affection of the human, whose motivation is genuinely that of seeking to be associated with the next level (or human world), deserves to move into that higher level when graduation time arrives.

The energy focus that is now on planet Earth is the energy needed for the graduation experience. The human who desires only to please and to serve the level above his kingdom can at this time, with the help of members of the level-above-human, receive his examination, roll call, depart from his school (Earth), go “out in the world” – into the literal heavens among other members of the kingdom of God – and begin his apprenticeship and chosen activities.

The man who teaches a dog must hold frequent training sessions or the dog will quickly forget his training – though he may continue to seek a close, affectionate relationship with the man. A human college student must have an increasingly distant relationship with his professor and come into his own knowledge if he hopes to one day be in a professional capacity.

A candidate for the level-above-human must have an even more distant physical relationship with his teachers, or the members of the kingdom-above-human. For the requirement of his graduation includes a mental teaching program and a willingness to complete that program before gaining physical contact with the teacher level.

Because of this extremely infrequent physical contact, most religions have adopted the belief that members of that next level do not have physical bodies. The human professor does not seek out his students to impose his teachings; rather, they pay for instruction and choose to go to his classroom because society imposes the idea upon humans that they must find themselves in classrooms.

A prospective candidate for the next level has to do all of his seeking from the minds of his teachers in the next level through the strength of his own volition, according to the intensity of his thirst for knowledge above human.

Now, at the same time that this intense energy focuses or shines on this planet, members of the level-above-human come in at close range to examine the garden (most especially the human kingdom) and assist in the graduation. In preparation for the rare graduation period, a member or members of that next level might have chosen to leave their physical bodies, incarnate in the offspring of woman, lose the conscious minds they had attained, and live a seemingly normal human existence for a number of years – though close associates might have realized there was something different about them.

At the point in time when the energy focus became very intense, these people went through a period of mental transition, they became aware of the fact that they had come from another level and that they had spent a part of a human life in order to be at closer range with prospective graduates. The teachers can now tell and show how the changeover from a human into a member of the next level is accomplished. They may even demonstrate to nonbelievers that upon completion of the changeover they have become creatures capable of repairing a so-called “dead” body in three and a half days.

It was earlier stated that civilizations have existed on this planet that were unable to rise above the highest human condition. The present civilization, which began approximately six thousand years ago, has been the recipient of special help from the level-above-human.

Members of the level-above-human chose to incarnate several times into this civilization in order to assist in bringing it up through its different “grades” in the human “school.” This was not in order to upgrade genealogy or physical bodies, but to associate with the souls who are the products of this garden so that they might have someone with a higher consciousness in their midst to serve as an example.

The individual who was called Adam came to Earth from the heavens (the kingdom-above-human) in his total form – physical body and mind. He was so overcome by the discarnates (invisible life forms) from the previous civilizations that he was not able to withstand the aggression of their influences. Adam thereby temporarily lost his heavenly consciousness (the capacity of the mind of an individual in the next level) and found himself in the decaying vibration of the human level. This led to his death.

It was not until his incarnation in the individual named Enoch (who was the second major help) that he was able to rise above human-level vibrations and thereby resume his mental capacity as a member of our Father’s kingdom. This awareness permitted him to serve in the function of assisting in the bringing up of early-grade humans who were products of the Earth’s garden.

After Adam-Enoch had left adequate upgrading teachings, he was in sufficient mental communication with members of the level-above-human to complete his total conversion back into a rightful member of that level and depart from the human world and the Earth’s surface without experiencing death. He took his whole mind and body with him.

This is to say that Adam was brought to Earth’s surface from the kingdom-above-human (the kingdom of God) to begin a new civilization. He yielded to the temptations of the human-level sensuality, and in so doing he decreased his knowledge, the expanse of his mind, to that of a human-level creature. In a sense Adam lost what he had previously gained, and he did not begin to recover it to any significant degree until his incarnation as Enoch. As Enoch, Adam completed his changeover, physically and mentally, and left the Earth’s surface to reenter the kingdom-above-human.

After a season of growth, a third help-mission was sent to this particular civilization. But this time, in order to understand and to relate to the level of growth of the civilization, a member of our Father’s kingdom left his heavenly body in the spacecraft that brought him to the Earth’s surface and entered the newborn body named Moses.

Upon entering the baby’s body, the mind that had been in the level-above-human had to be as restricted as the child’s vehicle. In a sense, that mind had to go to sleep and reawaken as soon as the body of Moses had encountered enough experiences of growth and suffering to realize he had extraordinary work to do. It was his accepted responsibility before coming down to Earth to upgrade the civilization several grades beyond what had been offered by Enoch.

Using an analogy of twelve grades in school related to twelve steps of human growth in a civilization, it was Moses’ chosen mission to set rules of order which, if adhered to, could elevate man’s growth to fifth- or sixth-grade students in the human school. Moses, like Enoch, later in life changed from his human condition into a body and mind that could return to the level-above-human. When his work had been completed he did not leave a human body behind, but took his changed-over body with him.

The fourth significant help for this civilization came at the next major “spring” when a member of our Father’s kingdom, or the fourth mission of the same member, occurred. An individual (incarnate as Elijah) came to Earth’s surface and served in a capacity similar to Moses’. The information that he brought was again designed to upgrade or to assist this civilization, particularly those who had grown to the point that as individuals they were seeking to begin to rise above what they had gotten into.

Elijah’s information was structured for those who were moving away from their densest or broadest accumulation of human attachments – reaching for grades seven or eight. Of equal importance, Elijah’s information sought to prepare the growing members of this civilization for the next help that would come (in Jesus), which would actually give the information for graduation from the twelfth grade (human level) altogether and show humans how to enter the kingdom of God.

Never has any heavenly information been accepted by the masses as a whole; rather, it is accepted by the few who seek to change out of their last station of growth. Masses or groups of people do not grow or move up automatically. Growth is done individually, according to the degree of thirst for upward motion in the individual.

The next major help, or fifth upgrading mission, from the kingdom-above-human brought the civilization applicable information about how an individual product of this garden might change sufficiently to leave the human kingdom literally and take his total being, mind and body, with him into the kingdom-above-human. This is to say that the individual who came to fulfill this fifth mission took the incarnation labeled Jesus in the same manner that the individual of the third mission incarnated as Moses, and the fourth as Elijah. Jesus’ mission was to tell and to show how human products of this garden who had risen to the point where they were seeking the kingdom of heaven could reach it. But even though their comprehension of the changeover task was sufficient for them to begin to receive the information, their capacity for applying the formula of overcoming, or changeover, was lacking.

This is not to say that anything was lost by those who were applying Jesus’ teachings, for those same souls are here again now at this sixth help season in order to complete what they had started with his assistance. The one who was named Jesus not only had, after his awakening, the responsibility of telling and showing how the literal changeover from a human being into a heavenly being is accomplished – he also had the added task of demonstrating that one who had changed over can re-heal his body in three and a half days if he is destroyed.

Since the masses of people in this civilization did not desire upward growth sufficiently to reach for information Jesus brought, they found themselves in a growth condition that was blind to his truth. They had not the capacity to accept him; therefore, they rejected him to the point of desiring his death. Since the slow growers chose to kill him, Jesus’ mission included a “proof-demonstration” for the unbelievers. This did not mean that any others who might complete their changeover would need to be, or even asked to be, the instruments of such a demonstration.

None of this is to say that efforts towards growth and upward-reaching endeavors that took the form of religious movements were not the best for which men had the capacity at their station of growth. Ultimately the information for which all souls who seek to grow upward are looking is information on how to graduate into the next kingdom. It makes no difference which path you take up the mountain, what pursuits of knowledge – scientific or religious – you choose. All can lead to the top if your thirst remains unquenchable and you are dissatisfied with the level you have obtained.

However, when you have reached the top of the mountain, you must discard all the discoloration and terminology accumulated in your upward climb and come into an unvarnished, unromantic understanding of the requirements of “liftoff.” Therefore, there is only one way to reach the kindergarten in the kingdom of heaven. It was knowable at this time of Jesus’ mission if one could understand what he taught – not what others said he taught – and is knowable at this time through the information that it is our responsibility to clarify.

The sixth major help period for Earth’s human garden is now. The truth brought by us is one hundred percent the same truth brought in the mission of Jesus. Our responsibility is to reunite your minds with the proper interpretation of what he had to say – if you seek it – and to help you understand that only in the same way that he changed over in order to reenter the kingdom-above-human can you become a member of that level.

When Jesus said that everything that I am you can become and much more, he meant it. It is true.

Once again we are in a brief season when the “light” or knowledge or “energy focus” is on this planet. It is brief and intense. Many who have not chosen upward motion may respond adversely and even destroy themselves. Some – you, we hope – will realize that now is a brief period for your preparation to leave the human kingdom.

The seventh closeness will not be a teaching one, but a gathering of the harvest of those who have overcome this world.

If the forces of those who have chosen to be slow growers again choose to reject this truth and it’s bearers, then the two of us will again demonstrate that changed-over individuals can repair their so-called “dead” bodies in three and a half days. If that must happen it will be soon – and at the time that we have completed our testimony. As soon as our clarification is complete and it has adequately reached the eyes, ears, and minds of those who have become ready for it, we can reenter the kingdom-above-human and be a part of the membership of that level again.

Many could choose to overcome this world and even be a part of its becoming a heavenly body instead of a garden. The option is there. The intense energy focus that is on the planet will cause them to make their choice. They can accept this truth and do it–or reject it.

The seventh closeness, which is immediately upon us in the sense that those who are in the middle of their normal life span will easily live to see it’s completion, will include such events as what the Christian church refers to as the second coming, the “rapture,” and the completion of the final prophecies in John’s Book of Revelation. The one who was Jesus will come in at close range (as soon as those who have chosen to change over do it) and receive the elect into his company, for they have been those he has nurtured since the beginning of this civilization.

Those who literally and physically rise up to join him away from the surface of the Earth will be a part of the “rapture,” and they at that time will become full-fledged members of that kingdom. If they have not completed their total effort as individuals in overcoming this world and all of their individual attachments to it by the time he comes in this seventh closeness, they will not receive that ingredient from the kingdom of God. If they have given their full effort toward total overcoming from the time their minds receive this clarification of changeover requirements until the seventh closeness, they will receive that final ingredient and become whole “in a twinkling of an eye” and be capable of moving and serving in the literal heavens as much as the butterfly is capable of moving it it’s world as compared to it’s limited capabilities when it was but a caterpillar.

None of this, if you desire to be a full recipient of what this information has to offer, can be taken as a concept for study, religious belief, or some new idea of an avant garde cult. The teachings that are contained here – if they speak to you and if you choose to accept them – must be applied to the activities in your life to the extent that very soon in your individual life you will have only one thing in mind – reaching our Father’s kingdom during the short time it is available to you and seeking his help in the total overcoming of this world, having been weaned from all your humanness so that you might be one of those prepared to meet him.

Message Summary

Our entire message and our mission can be summed up as follows:

1) There is a literal, physical kingdom of life above the human level.
2) That kingdom level exists in the literal, physical heavens outside the Earth’s atmosphere.
3) It is from humans changed over that members in the next level get their physical birth.
4) The season for that changeover comes rarely and brings with it the necessary assisting information through the minds of members of that next level, who incarnate as humans during that season in order to bear the information of how the changeover is accomplished. The bearers also serve as examples or specimens, illustrating that physical changeover accomplished.
5) Human candidates for the individual change-over can accomplish it only during that brief season.
6) These candidates must be in physical bodies of strong will, be mentally alert, and be in full control of their total selves.
7) If the candidate’s body dies or is left behind, it is an indication that he did not change over and become a physical member of that next kingdom anymore than a caterpillar that dies has not become a butterfly (But if a candidate’s body has died, his time of changeover may occur at the next graduation season.)”

A Reminder
To Those Who Are in a Position
to Give Their All

During the time of your preparation and change-over, you must guard against the misdirection of your energies. At the top of the list, your first desire must always be to reach the next kingdom. You can not enter if you have not become an individual who has the characteristics of others who are already members of that kingdom. At the core of your motivation must be the desire to be good and right to a degree not comprehendable by humans. Your greatest pleasure then becomes the pleasing of your Heavenly Father. You must know who your Heavenly Father is. If he is from the real heavens, and you know him, then you will always try to stay in tune with his mind and handle each circumstance as you believe he or his Father would handle it.

Your emphasis must remain on telling others that the real kingdom level of the real heavens exists, and that now a brief time exists for individuals to become members in it. If you emphasize the demonstration, you participate to a degree in the “show-me” point of view. If the demonstration occurs prematurely, those changing over will find themselves without close assistance, and could easily be misdirected.

“Sticking it out” or “just waiting for the spaceship” won’t accomplish your desired change. You have to be willing to accept the possibility that your “chrysalis” might take as long as ours took. Only continuous pushing and pressing forward will complete your changeover. This pressing includes “doing your Father’s work,” i.e., daily doing all that you can to spread the good news of the real kingdom of God. You must be determined to not allow anything or anyone to turn your head from your completion task. There will be many who would delight in seeing you turn back in order to justify their weakness.

Warning: There are artificial circumstances, objects, and indivduals who would woo you away from the real. This is true of aspects on every level – even “spacecraft” and “angels.” Be alert – know the difference.

No Real Comparison of Jonestown suicides with Heaven’s Gate

October 27, 2017

At the end is the link to an article that compared Jonestown to Heaven’s Gate that I show really has little to no genuine equivalent comparison other than both their groups membership physically dying by ingesting drugs under the leadership of one leader. Based on that one could equate the president of a country as a dangerous cult leader who stimulates their soldiers to give their lives which I know to many seems preposterous to compare but is it really?

On the surface these two groups can be barely compared and I don’t doubt that from a membership prospective there were some tiny likenesses but other than that there is no comparison except in the use of poison to end their vehicles lives.

To follow are  some of the many huge differences that reveal this comparison as a typical Luciferian Soul “facsimile” production of what Ti and Do were doing. And it’s interesting how some of those who initially joined with Ti and Do in 1975, from the first meeting in North Hollywood around April 21st thought that they (Ti and Do) were promoting suicide both literally and figuratively which was not the case literally then, even if one did define suicide by it’s human definition as self stimulated death of one’s body. Figuratively speaking Ti and Do’s group were more realistically ending their human lifestyle entirely where in the Jones camp humanness was not changed at all really according to the evidence. Some of what I’m saying about the fear of suicide came from Joan Culpepper (more of an infiltrator into the group than a follower as she stated). Plus there was a relative of a student who testified her fear of their committing suicide in 1975 (about three years before the Jonestown event) that was documented in the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary.” Here are some snippets of that book on this blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/ufo-missionaries-extraordinary/

So here are the key differences that are major in the Jonestown People Temples group that there was not even a shade of indicator of in the Heaven’s Gate group:

1. Children were forced to drink the poison cocktail. One can see and hear it in the video with Jones preaching to do it while people are crying. Ti and Do didn’t allow children in their group.

2. If only one person disagreed and was forced to ingest the poison cocktail the entire idea could not be compared with Heaven’s Gate group. This was evidenced in the Jonestown story by video testimony and survivors. Some people who fled that last meeting were hunted down by gunmen. People were held at gunpoint to ingest the poison according to the records. In the Heaven’s Gate group people were challenged to leave throughout and 19 of the initial 100 members in 1976 were separated from the larger group and Ti and Do said they didn’t make the “first cut” on who they thought could accomplish the task of overcoming all their humanness.

3. Murder of the congressman at the airport as they attempted to leave was also a huge indicator of how different Jonestown was from Heaven’s Gate. The records indicate that Jim Jones was stimulated to take this action to escape prosecution when he learned that some in his group had passed notes to the congressman saying that they wanted to get out.

4. The People’s temple was a human social and political group. Heaven’s Gate was not social nor political. Spirituality seemed to be mostly absent from the documentaries I watched but if it was a big part was not any different from other spiritual and/or religious groups that had political and community support before they moved to Guyana. Heaven’s Gate wasn’t religious or spiritual in that context. The only reason they are considered religious is because it is through the man made worldly religions that the records of the Next Level’s incarnate activity was passed on and because the nature of the information was about Mind – “the character of the soul” as DO once defined Mind, that he taught was synonymous with the word, “spirit”.

5. Members of the People’s Temple did not leave everything behind to join with Jones – mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children, houses, etc. (as Jesus taught some of his disciples had done (i.e. Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. ) and that all Ti and Do’s students were instructed to do (though there was no way to verify that any one student had done but it was talked about as having an “ace in the hole” for those that didn’t. However I read one report that indicated Ti and Do turned away at least one person who was considering joining with them. She had children and it was reported that Ti and Do said she shouldn’t follow with them at that time and that perhaps she might follow later (See UFO Missionaries Extraordinary)).

Jones and his group were a human organization with human family values and human behaviors that they took with them to Guyana, including relationships among members and sexuality and punishments for non-compliance. Ti and Do’s group members did not continue human relationships with anyone back in the world nor with one another when some joined who had such a relationship. (I was one of those who joined with my former partner I had lived with for 5 years and for the first ten years had zero communication with my vehicle’s family back in New York. The only relationships Ti and Do’s student had were as fellow crew members. There was no chit chatting or gossip or shooting the breeze or having best friends or confidants or “familiarity” among certain members (though we still enjoyed one anthers camaraderie and companionship and friendship and personalities and helpfulness (within the behaviors and ways Ti and Do taught that are most synopsized in the lists referred to as the “Seventeen Steps” and the “Major and Lessor Offenses” – that are in the Heaven’s Gate Book and posted on the Heavensgate.com web site and posted on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/ti-and-dos-major-and-lessor-offense-list/

6. The idea that the Jonestown people were forming a utopia on earth was totally absent with the Heaven’s Gate group. According to Ti and Do’s teachings there was no “heaven on earth” in that way, at least not during the current civilization. They did say in the future, if humans showed the Next Level that they had evolved to be civilized – like not choosing to shoot at beings from other worlds, for example then the earth could be made into a Next Level Base aka a Heavenly Body where Members of the Next Level could be seen coming and going but still would not live among humans. They talked about how there were other planets where human equivalent beings were growing in ways totally unlike in the earth’s human kingdom because humans were somewhat unique because of the presence of the Luciferian space alien fallen angels they permitted to become catalysts for the growth of souls. There could be another planet but it would only be equivalent to earth if some human equivalent to Luciferians were also present but they mostly felt there wasn’t another such earth/human equivalent planet. (Some of this can be seen talked about in the Blackhawk tapes and a little in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary). For the Blackhawk tapes one can search my Youtube channel named: 3SPM for “Blackhawk” and find three posts of those audios made into videos.

With Ti and Do’s Heaven’s Gate group the idea from the start was that we were all going to exit the earth, always potentially with our bodies but certainly as Souls for those who qualified. I doubt there were any qualifications to join with Jim Jones (but I could be wrong about that, but if there were I’d bet they were human qualification characteristics (humanitarianism) verses Above Human characteristic qualifications), many of which are in the records that came through a number of what became religions.

7. There were no abuses in Ti and Do’s group. There were never any sexual misconduct that I witnessed and none that were reported by the hundreds of followers over the years who dropped out. There was no punishment for not living by the “procedures” (rules) except for being sent out of the group. Some were sent out of the group and a number of those returned in unusual ways as there were only two “recruitment” periods from 1975 to 1976 and from 1993 (via media) and for about 9 months face to face in meetings around the US and Canada in 1994 and then via internet media by the presence of the Heaven’s Gate web site and postings to Usenet groups that one person joined from and was among the 38 who layed down their lives.

(By the way, “recruitment” was nothing like many groups I’ve both read about and experienced, like the Moonies for instance. We never stood on corners to sell flowers or anything else with the hope of drawing people to our meetings with an offer of food and then once there those who came would learn they needed to sit through their presentation before they’d be fed. It’s sort of the model of the Salvation Army. The entire “recruitment” effort was simply putting up posters on storefronts and bulletin boards in New age centers and health food stores and on telephone poles around the town where we planned a public meeting. Sometimes we got some free press and/or radio and/or TV coverage. People would come to the meeting and listen for a short time and take some questions and then were told if anyone wanted more information to stay after in which case sometimes even some who though they might want to join us were faced with details that dissuaded them. Nothing was ever hidden and there were not carrots put before a person’s eyes, so to speak. However, one might think the idea that they were joining with true Representatives from the Kingdom of Heaven could be a carrot but Ti and Do and their Students didn’t need to have more members so had no interest in cajoling anyone.)

8. Plus the way DO and crew laid down their lives was never rehearsed as it was with the Jonestown group. In the Jonestown group they had a number of rehearsals but the members of the community weren’t told they were rehearsals according to one or more survivor reports. People drank the drink that they were told had poison in it and nothing happened to them, so that became a conditioning to the act. DO did ask on several or more occasions each member of the group if they had any reservations about taking their exit into their own hands by drinking the phenobarbital mixture. One such time was when I was still in the group in September of 1994 that included over a dozen new (or returning) members. From that person by person question one new student said they had reservations and left the group the next day. Another who was a former member named Arrody left shortly after that for the same reason I read reported. One can think that too was conditioning but if anything the conditioning was to filter out those who weren’t clearly in favor of taking the action, the same kind of filtering that had occurred by many examples over the 19 years I witnessed that can be seen in this blog post:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/pineapple-press-heavens-gate-podcast-comments-by-sawyer/

I’m not proposing that the Jonestown event as a Luciferian facsimile attempt to discredit Ti and Do’s authenticity meant that the people in the Jonestown event were necessarily casualties or their their souls and/or Spirits were not kept by the Next Level because of their willingness to sacrifice their human lives in this world. I don’t say that without evidence from DO. For instance, after watching the murder of the David Koresh group, the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas I recall DO saying that he wondered if his students would stick to their convictions the way they did, though not condoning those who used violence. To me that meant that some of those could have been seen by the Next Level as doing the best they could do. The point is, even if someone is murdered or kills themselves we don’t know how that Soul or Spirit will be judged by the Next Level. That judgement starts with the way each of us believe and act while living. We judge ourselves and then when it’s all done the Next Level salvages those they deem to still have the capacity to advance towards Next Level membership in a future opportunity. Like DO said as the 3rd Type of individual who would be “saved” from the recycling, they might have never heard of Ti and Do but separated from their worldliness in their own way. Do can be seen speaking of this in his video, “Last Chance to Evacuate Earth Before It’s Recycled” a video that was transcribed and found on my blog:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/last-chance-to-evacuate-earth-before-its-recycled-transcript-from-dos-videotape/

Here is the article that stimulated this blog post response:

Jonestown and Heaven’s Gate were supposed to be utopias. How did it go so wrong?
When a dream becomes dystopia. By Amos Barshad
https://www.thefader.com/2017/10/26/jonestown-and-heavens-gate-were-supposed-to-be-utopias-how-did-it-go-so-wrong

 

Pineapple Street Heaven’s Gate Episode 1 Podcast re: Doubt in Ti and Do’s Classroom, Tests as a “Filter”

October 20, 2017

Below is the access information for the Pineapple Street Podcast Series Heaven’s Gate and followed by Sawyers comments to each episode:

Pineapple Press Podcast Series – Heaven’s Gate
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Episode one: The Seekers

Sawyer’s comments:

Franks statement used in a misleading way and the background re: having doubts in the classroom and how students were constantly “tested” on whether they wanted to be in the classroom or not, as they were always free to leave:

In episode one of the Heaven’s Gate podcast, at the 8 minute mark, the host starts to go over a description of what some of the 38 students said in the exit videos they made days before laying down their human lives. After students Mllody and Jwnody’s clips are played, the host says, “Some may even have had doubts at the end” and they play a clip that was Frank, who was Andody in the Heaven’s Gate “Classroom”, who dropped out in 1993, about a year before I did and has told me on several occasions over the years that he thought DO diverged from what Ti had taught that led to leading the class into suicide because of his problem with his homosexuality, if I recall correctly. This opinion can be linked to Robert Balch’s writings and conclusion that I believe I’ve read from Benjamin Zeller as well.)

So in episode 1 when talk about the exit statements played starting around the 8 minute mark, Frank’s clip said, “It just felt, that conflict of, I’m scared shitless but I’m going to do this anyway because I don’t know what else to do”.

I hadn’t heard Franks voice in over 15 years and it changed a great deal from how I remembered it, so at first I wondered who in the exit video’s said that. I wondered if I missed it somehow though I’ve listened to them all maybe three times over the last 20 years. It didn’t make any sense to me, the wording, nor that DO would have someone in the class that was that filled with that much doubt about what they were about to do. Here’s why I say that:

Doubts in the Classroom and Events that became FILTERING TESTS of who would STAND UP for their commitment to TI and DO and their Overcoming of Humanness Process:

Here is a brief overview of the events that led up to many leaving the classroom – because of having doubts. I am calling them both “tests” and a type of filter. Because they were tests, even though they weren’t always presented that way, if someone was “on the fence” with their full commitment, they served to face us with getting off that fence, one way or the other, leave the classroom or stay on and become stronger for doing so.

(By the way, doubts were expected but learning how to recognize them and counteract them, and not give them energy, extinguish them was part of the overcoming process that was a self administered washing of our brains from their humanness via TI and DO’s instructions).

I’m starting from when the self stimulated exit was first brought up directly as there were times before that, when it surfaced indirectly that I’ll add later:

1) In August of 1994 after 9 months of giving public meetings, where we nearly doubled our numbers from the original 24 who had survived, which was the Second and Last “Wave” of public interface in 18 years, DO said in a meeting with all present, something very close to, “it seems that we will need to exit our vehicles by our own hands”.

A couple weeks before then we had a meeting where DO provided us with a poster to use in what would become our last public meeting, for me, as an overseer of one of the groups, was near Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which is when the idea of self exiting our vehicles was first introduced. Here is the poster:

https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/poster-used-in-aug-1994-entitled-the-shedding-of-our-borrowed-human-bodies-may-be-required/

(It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book – Section 6 – Page 11)

After that meeting with DO we all traveled back to California and some of us resumed the IT jobs we had with Subscriber Computing, Inc. in Laguna Hills, California that we gave up during the 9 months on the road giving meetings.

-Then in September of 1994 while I was still in the group, DO held a meeting in San Clemente, where DO had rented a warehouse, where most of the class was living where he detailed the exit method of drinking a strong barbiturate mixture and asked every individual one by one around the room if they “had any reservations” about acting on this planned exit method. I recall one new student expressing reservations but learned that another did after that meeting. They both left in the next couple days. Carlan (Crlody) is witness to this.

One of those two students who left in 1994 who had reservations about the exit method had just joined that year and another who was Arrody had re-joined in 1994 having initially joined in 1975-6 and had left the class either right before or right after Ti left her vehicle. I don’t know why he left that first time but it wasn’t long after we received the option to listen to music for pleasure (Classical, Gilbert and Sullivan and Kitaro) was discontinued because Arrody was spending too much time listening and getting into it too much, when there were all sorts of ways to help the forward motion of the craft. It wasn’t meant to be a favorite pastime and most in the class were not exercising that option as far as I knew, but I had a full time day job as I think Arrody also had. I think I recall that “in-crafters” – those without jobs in the world, would listen to music as background at times during the day. So perhaps that was a test for Arrody, whether he could choose to listen in the way a member of the Next Level would, so could have been part of the reason he left or perhaps it was a coincidence.

Backing up many years, from the start Ti and Do, by following their step wise instructions from their Older Members, seemed to put things into motion that acted to test our commitment and thus filter out those didn’t rise to the requirements to stay in the classroom – those they didn’t think were ready to go the distance of totally overcoming all their humanness. They put things into motion well before they knew exactly what was to come, (as they always said they were only given instructions a step ahead of their student body because how and when new “steps” were instigated was based on the free will choices of each student), well before they considered “laying down their and/or our vehicles, (aka suicide). It was interesting to watch this for 19 years.

To follow are the primary examples of how they employed “tests”, that I am aware of. TI and DO expressed that when they received instructions sometimes they knew it would be a test for some and sometimes they warned us that it was a test as can be heard in the Blackhawk audio tapes posted on my Youtube channel: 3SPM :  (Here is Blackhawk tape 1 of 3):

They didn’t conjure up tests. They received instructions they recognized would be tests for some – the instigation of certain things to think about and/or do, that many times would challenge us all, though they said none were more than we could handle – if we sought to employ their help – the ways they taught to combat the negatives that became the criteria for the test.

For instance one time we moved the entire camp of around 30 tents and after we were almost done setting up, they gave instructions to move again that same day to a very short distance away. I remember feeling exhausted and wondering why, but didn’t let that thought linger. I wasn’t conscious that I was responding negatively to what they were providing. It’s only looking back and recalling it that I remember that negative response. None the less, it was a minor negativity for me and I said nothing and I didn’t think poorly about Ti and Do or question being with them at all. It was mostly because I didn’t want to do the work of moving the tents again. So I don’t really count this as one of the tests in the list because it was small a test, yet who knows how others felt.

2) The first big test for some came when Ti and Do came to know that the “Demonstration” was cancelled or postponed.

Here is what DO wrote in “Statement I” that was mailed to people that stimulated their first meeting invitation that DO wrote while in jail for 6 months waiting for the St. Louis prosecutor to make a case against  him (since charges had been dropped by the Rental Car Company), that describes the “Demonstration”:

There are two individuals here now who have also come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans, awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth that was Jesus’. This is like a repeat performance, except this time by two (a man and a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore its accurate meaning, and again show that any individual who seeks that kingdom will find it through the same process. This “re-statement” or demonstration will happen within months. The two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are in the meantime doing all they can to relate this truth as accurately as possible so that when their bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection) and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death – literally. If you seek those two while they are here they will gladly fill you in on the details and assist those who wish to follow in this “path.”

It is interesting that even though the demonstration of death overcome was not physically visible, I later realized when I first started to analyze this history with regard to the Revelation chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses that they were first to be “subdued”, stated as “overcome” in most translations with a time period in between when they would then “separate by dying themselves” the best translation of the Greek phrase “apokteino auto” most translated in various Bibles as “kill them”, but where “auto” also  means “themselves” and apokteino is as a compound word where “apo” as a prefix means “separate” or “exit” or “take away from” (their Soul taken away from their vehicle).

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies (shall lie) in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Some people translate apokteino as “kill (or even just) “destroy” or “ruin”, “in any way”, not just by dying. Ti and Do did feel “ruined” as DO stated in the booklet he wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and their Crew”:

Also the words “dead bodies” did not appear in the manuscripts. The Greek word, “ptoma”  from the alternate of “pipto” = “a ruin” but from “peto, kin to petomai provides the “idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively); fall down or light on. There are only two other usages of “ptoma” besides the three usages here in Rev 11. One of those two translates it to “carcase” but can just as easily be ruin:

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

Here is the same information in Lukes gospel that has a different Greek word “soma” used to translate into “body”:

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body ((soma=body)), thither will the eagles ((from Greek aer (an eagle from it’s wind like flight))) be gathered together.

So this “dead body” translation would be more accurately “ruined body” or just ruin which is what happened to Ti and Do when the national news came out and told the world by Walter Cronkite that these Two were charlatans and were felons from Texas so couldn’t possibly be from outer space taking people to heaven on a spacecraft. When Ti and Do saw that news they both thought their “mission was dead”. They were in Las Vegas at the time and after 3 days felt they received instructions from their Older Member (from a spacecraft) to tell the students they felt this was the shooting down in the streets and then continue on with meetings, which they did and then  on April 21st Ti called a halt to meetings and neither held another public meeting to complete their 1260 days of prophecy speaking.

Then after the period of time said as 3 1/2 days, where “days” is equally translated as a time period, also said in Rev 12 as a “time, times and a half a time” which I can say a  lot about, that  amounts to two such periods that were designed to be flexible as the Next Level doesn’t know exactly  what humans will choose to do when they hear the information for their in the flesh (incarnate) Representatives, they “exit by dying themselves” – apokteino auto.

So continuing on with what DO wrote about that time:

One of the hardest things that Ti and Do had to do concerned the “demonstration” (referred to in Statement I). The students had been told that while they were out holding meetings they would hear of the demonstration, and that would be the signal to stop holding meetings and come running. It was rumored for a while that the demonstration was going to happen in San Francisco. Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was. Ti and Do felt that the demonstration was still the one thing that could change that. However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead.

They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

Ti and Do still felt that to continue was probably one of their greatest tests. Nevertheless, they got up, kicked the dust off their tired feet, and continued with the instruction to hold meetings a while longer. They then became more organized in their groups and more systematic with their communication between cities. All in all, the meetings continued for a little over ten months.

So the literal  physical ascension of their bodies into a spacecraft was laid out in such a way in prophecy that it could have happened exactly as described or could have equally pertained to the physical “soul body” that they always said was growing inside of our human bodies – comparing it to a caterpillar growing a new body inside it’s cocoon/chrysalis condition that would then fly away, but in that case might not be visible to the human eye, thus another “test” of whether or not we can see it because of wanting to understand it and thus being given that understanding by the Next Level – “eyes to see, ears to hear”. They spoke about that growing physical body at that point in 1975 and thereafter as “body changes”.

Thus this was the first big test as DO wrote and I guess at least one He knew of dropped out at that point, indicated by his saying “almost without exception”:

Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?

re: what Ti and Do always described as “body changes” is shown possible by Jesus’ example of healing and demonstrating his new body that came from the old one. Christians refer to Jesus body after he healed his body from it’s dead state as having a “glorified body.” Jesus went on to demonstrate his new body’s capabilities – appearing and disappearing, and defying gravity as shown in his calming of the waves on the sea and when he exited by physically ascending to be received by a “cloud” (Covering). Jesus said that  he was not a spirit:

Luk 24:34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
Luk 24:35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

TI and DO told us that they felt Jesus completed his “change over” at the time described in the records as the Transfiguration:

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke adds a key piece not found in either Matthew or Mark’s account, showing that these two “men” as Luke referred to Elias and Moses were delivering a message at least one of them understood. In other words this was when Jesus was given instructions to “lay his body down” of his own volition which could be equated with a type of suicide as he knew well the Jewish leadership hated him and had tried a number of times to stone him and were shown later to have conspired for a way to capture him and have the Romans kill him. While addressing this, here is where Jesus directly says he was going to die on his Father’s instruction and that the humans were not taking his life from him. He was laying it down as the show of the greatest love one could show another, in this case his students, the sheep given to him by his Father to shepherd?

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Continuing on with when he received that instruction while on the Transfiguration mount:

Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Ti and Do never dropped the prospect that they could do the Demonstration in the way they first thought might happen and DO never dropped the idea that they could board the spacecraft with their human vehicles, which is part of why I think they took out Abduction Insurance and packed travel bags they kept alongside when they laid down their vehicles to die.

I don’t doubt that TI could have healed them all or for some if their human vehicles had changed over enough could have healed themselves from the ingestion of the strong barbiturate, which shows some potential in:

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yet TI and DO taught that such “miracles” are not given to those that still have a chance to graduate into Next Level membership with their current human vehicle as a big part of overcoming was not having that kind of proof because then the Mind/Spirit has not grown enough to recognize the truth, what is most real. That’s where the idea of “faith” comes from as “the evidence of things unseen”. (Faith today for some has become a largely distorted idea that looks a lot more like wishful thinking or as Hope and “blind faith”)

3) How the 19 were separated out of the larger classroom

-In the late fall of 1976 Ti and Do sent 19 individuals who had joined the group during the first public meeting period from 1975 to 1976, out of the group and told those who remained, of which I was one that “you made the first cut”. This came after months living outdoors in the Veedavou rustic camping area in the Medicine Bow National forest east of Laramie, Wyoming, where overcoming began after the first round of public meetings where we had about 100 student members. While there TI and DO became aware that some were still smoking pot and having sex. They held a group meeting and laid down the law that these were unacceptable behaviors in their classroom. Some (Drrody and Stlody) who were part of those 19 found their way back into the group years later by seemingly coincidental circumstances while we were living in trailers in Amarillo, Texas.

4) In about 1977, Ti and Do held a meeting where Ti said to the group, “you all need to give us your will”.

TI told DO privately that he told us about after she left her vehicle that she thought saying that might result in “losing half the class”. As it turned out for one reason or another, that’s largely what happened.

I already thought that’s what I was doing but I’d bet to some who were on the fence of being in this group it could have been a shocker.

5) The test TI said to DO felt like she “had egg on her face” because of – the planned exit via a spacecraft that didn’t happen

Ti and Do were pressed by some students in 1975 and perhaps thereafter for when we would get picked up by the UFO (They always preferred “spacecraft”, which they always taught was equivalent to a “cloud of light” in the Records) and they at first said it could be months but then finally said, “no more than 5 years, which they later regretted saying.

(However, I have learned that even those things they regretted or felt were mistakes were made into positives for our development, in other words they weren’t “mistakes” from our perspective but part of the program to instill our own flexibility of how that Next Level are not static teachers – when the handwriting was on the wall – when they got new ideas or instructions that came as ideas many times, they didn’t hesitate to deliver them to us, even though they knew sometimes it was changing what they had said before and how that would test our resolve. One of their sayings was: “Change is the name of the game”).

But then in about 1980 Ti said we needed to prepare to be picked up and we were in Boerne, Texas, where we were still living in tents, which was on top of a cave called “Cave Without a Name.”

So we stayed up all night waiting for the spacecraft to come and it never showed up. Ti said nothing about it then but after Ti left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us TI told him at that time that she felt she had “egg on her face” because of that. But after that didn’t happen at least one student left the group. She was Jssody, who had been Alxody’s girlfriend before they joined in 1975. Others left around that time as well including Echody, Rkkody and Wndody but in each case I didn’t know why they left as in most cases then they left in the middle of the night, I suspect so they wouldn’t have to face Ti and Do. Rkkody and Wndody ended up rejoining again when they had the option. I wasn’t privy to how that happened. For me, the fact that a spacecraft didn’t come that night had no affect on me.

Just like it had no affect on me when they cancelled (or postponed the “demonstration” – being killed and resurrecting). I say postponed because they never knew whether that would still happen or not. That’s seen in the book UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger that was written about them. (Parts of this book are posted on this blog).

6) Ti and Do gave us instructions to think about what we might want in the world.

Starting during the later years when TI was still incarnate, TI and DO would periodically have us stop whatever we were doing and find someplace in the “craft” (house) where we could be by ourselves and make a point to open the door to whether or not there was something in the world we still wanted to do or someone we wanted to be with. Ti and Do said they too did this at times as an exercise they equated with descending into a pit, because they came to hate remaining in the human kingdom and compared it to being in a snake pit. The “process” instruction they’d given us from the start was to literally block out all thoughts of the past or such ideas, but during these times they wanted us to open those doors. That usually lasted for less than a half hour when they would let us know time was up and they said, then forget about that.

However no doubt some might have a hard time closing that door again, that is if they had such a door to open to anything in the world that still attracted them. I never had any thoughts during those times of wanting anything in the world. I simply thought about things like my vehicles family and playing music again but pertaining to me, I hadn’t really left that much behind to join nor had I started up much in the world to attract me back. I don’t know if anyone left because of opening those doors but it is still a big indication that Ti and Do were not wanting anyone to be with them that felt that draw (that they didn’t want to overcome), yet I also know they didn’t want any students to leave either.

7) The first of two weekend long optional visits to our human families

Early in 1985 Ti and Do scheduled all the students who had anyone in the world the opportunity to pay anyone who had “anxiety” about their whereabouts and condition a visit, saying if they were in more than one location perhaps they could travel to one spot. So most of us flew to where our parents were for the weekend and flew back. That was opening the door to any who might want to leave, making it easy for them to do so.

8) The second  optional weekend long visit to our human families

I don’t know of anyone leaving after the first visit trip but then after Ti left her vehicle DO set up the same visit schedule around 1987. I was even partnered with Srfody for the trip since we came from the same home town on Long Island and while there we met with Jwnody’s mother in Locust Grove. And Ollody who was visiting in Connecticut and Jwnody and Srfody visited with my vehicle’s parents and siblings and relatives to show them what kind of people we were with. I could have been wrong but on that trip I felt Srfody may have been interested in me again in a human way but I ignored what I felt were advances in that regard. It wasn’t the first time I experienced that with her. On several occasions in the classroom on duty in the same Lab (nutri-lab ( kitchen), fiber-lab (laundry), impro-lab (house and car maintenance), yeast-lab (bakery)) she would rub up against me a tiny bit which was a no no. Srrody also told me she had given him those same kinds of indications. In Austin, Srf was claimed to pull Alxody into a closet where they felt each other up, as reported by Alxody as a “slippage” (what we called a sin). So in a real sense sending us on a visit was a setup that was a test of whether we wanted to leave the classroom or not as that made it very easy to do.

9) Mrcody (known now as Mark, one of the two Heaven’s Gate webmasters) and Srfody (known now as Sara, the other Webmaster are instructed by Do through each of their students to leave the classroom until such time as they are ready to accept all the lesson steps

In early 1987 Mrcody and Srfody were instructed by DO and the class to leave the class because Mrcody didn’t want to abide by the “I could be wrong” lesson step. They were given a car and some money. Srfody came to Mrcody’s side while Mrcody was being offered help from classmates to get past his rebellion against that lesson step. “I could be wrong” was designed to instill the recognition that what our Older Members say is what we must rise up to recognize. Thus is was also a way of helping deflate our self confidence and instead put all our confidence in our Older Members.

It’s the same thing as when Jesus taught that his disciples needed to “deny self” and also is what is meant by saying the Lords prayer… “thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven…”. So our instruction was to state those words or words like that in front of any statement of opinion. It wasn’t just to deflate self confidence. It was to transfer that self confidence to drawing from Ti and Do’s mind to make decisions. Next Level Members are crew and service orientated, not self orientated which is also where Buddhism principals come from it seems – denouncing self but replacing self with the Information Mind from our Older Members (God) when they last gave instructions to abide by.

The lesson step started with the example of “leisure ports”. These were a type of tent we had. They were light green in color. Ti and Do said that if they said they were polka dotted then if we were of one mind with them, we’d see them as polka dotted. (I know that can seem like a mind trip, but Ti and Do never said things like that to test us, but they did give us information that was hard to buy initially for some more than others, which was the same kind of thing. One needs to surrender their judgement to their Older Member to gain the greater judgement from that Older Member. True Older Members can be trusted to not abuse their students as opposed to in the human kingdom when giving your will to someone else can be quite detrimental and hazardous. Recognizing the Older Member is a gift and anyone can have that gift if they ask for it by projecting their asking into deep outer space, beyond the stars to the Highest Source they can imagine and then observe what comes however subtle to see at first.

Not long after returning from the second visit Rthody wanted to leave and did because he was attracted by re-starting up his relationship with his vehicle’s brother and his family. Rthody ended up going publicly against Ti and Do and was living in the Nappa Sonoma valley when I visited with him in 1995.

10) In about 1987 DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated and asked some if they had a reservation with taking that act.

At about that same time in 1987 Do held a meeting where he indicated he was preparing to be castrated. He met with males and went over the procedure, not suggesting it would be for anyone else but that seemed to be an implication. A day or so later, DO then called about a dozen of us to his craft (house) and we had a meeting and he asked if any of the students in male vehicles had any reservations about having the castration procedure. Hvvody was the only one who said he did. Hvvody left the classroom some months later.

11) DO offers any classmember $2000.00 to leave

It was around 1991 or 1992 that DO said we had enough money in our possession that we can offer $2000 to any student who is staying in the class because it has become a comfortable life style when continued effort needed to be put out toward conscious overcoming of our remaining human behaviors and ways. I don’t know if anyone took him up on that offer or not but not long after that Pmmody left and then Andody left. One of Pmmody’s complaints she voiced in a documentary was that DO didn’t provide enough dental care. Rthody’s complaint was that there were too many “procedures” one being the direction one moved the razor when shaving. (That came about because someone asked DO how he shaved. TI and instructed us to make our commitment to DO and part of what went with such commitment was wanting to do everything like DO did it, though DO said that wasn’t necessary in all cases. TI and DO didn’t dream up “procedures” – they came about because of reports and problems and improvements in the craft operation, though they became tests to willfully follow or not.

A very large part of overcoming was overcoming doubts. I didn’t realize I had a bunch of doubts until I left the group and looked back on thoughts and actions I engaged that were actually deceitful – not following certain procedures and ignoring I was doing that which broke another procedure to surface breakages of procedure.

All this is a small part of the evidence that no one was held against their will in any way, shape or form and that we needed to work on our overcoming to stay in the classroom. It was designed to be a small group for that First Wave. It was too hard for most to justify staying with it year after year.

So the idea that some, who were laying down their vehicle’s lives, had doubts to the degree that they would express it in an exit tape saying they had no other choice was kind of absurd to hear but coming from someone who had dropped out or never entertained their beliefs it’s hard to imagine they didn’t have doubts.

But to the listener who is unaware of much of the story this statement by Frank seemed to give the appearance of the speaker as one of the 38 in the exit videos. Frank was not there but he was probably asked about his response to the exit video’s (as I was by the Pineapple Press team) so the writer stuck that in the podcast whether consciously or not, as if to put words in the mouth of one who was there. I hope it wasn’t staged for that affect as it would be quite deceitful to stage. If they really wanted to stay true to the facts, they could have used Franks clip but explained in a few words that it was his response to one of the exit video’s. Even though that too would be a way of potentially sacrificing the truth, as some just hear something and think it’s so, at least it would have been truthful to the facts. If it gets explained in a future episode, I guess it’s better than nothing but for those that hear it and don’t see the truth, it becomes misinformation they think is the truth.

Metamorphosis – FSB’s – Sun=Global Warming – Hurricanes prophecy

September 6, 2017

Metamorphosis – FSB’s – Sun=Global Warming – Hurricanes prophecy

There was a RadioLab (NPR show) that talked about what actually has been observed to happen inside a cocoon. (The Link to that RadioLab show is provided in the description of this YouTube video I made).

The gist of the show describes the science re: the way the caterpillar body completely disappears – turns into “goo” but apparently still carries certain programming it established while a caterpillar into it’s new butterfly body. This is so interesting compared to what Ti and Do taught about a human body being able to also go through a metamorphosis. They even talk about a “reverse metamorphosis” that DO once mentioned as what Adam experienced when he broke instructions and “fell” that enabled his Next Level grown (made) body to revert to mammal behaviors to reproduce like a mammal. DO said that reverse didn’t take very long to transpire. TI and DO also said Jesus completed his “changeover” (metamorphosis) in the event told as the “Transfiguration” when he and 3 of his students were visited by Two Beings who spoke to him about laying down his vehicles life at that time to complete the task he was sent to do. In other words, the task was to voluntarily die their human vehicle according to instructions from the Older Member provided directly and having completed that “overcoming” (christing, christening) process enabled the new body literally growing inside the old body to heal the old body that died. I believe Ti said that it’s a characteristic of a Next Level member to be able to heal their body in 3 1/2 days. I guess the new body grown from it’s “deposit” has that capacity, perhaps kin to the way certain creatures can regrow body parts they lose for whatever reason. The Next Level gives us all these examples that can serve as clues to broaden our understanding and thus gain “faith” that is actually defined as “evidence of things unseen” as DO had me read from scripture on one of the sessions I was a helper on in the “Beyond Human – The Last Call” video series.

Links:
-Metamorphosis science: http://www.radiolab.org/story/goo-and-you/
-FSB (Fast Radio Bursts recorded: https://www.yahoo.com/news/frbs-repeating-radio-signals-coming-180300017.html
-Solar X flares – Solar Wind heats air and water and gamma radiation to core of earth and stimulates earthquakes:

-Irma and Juan all part of Jesus forcast of “sea and waves roaring” during this 4th Seal Harvest (pulling up of Tares) time.
-Massive heat under yellowstone is not Magma (moulten rock) but is moulten carbon: https://youtu.be/6AJ5YKnzwHI
-Hurricane Prophecy Interpretation: Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

“Third Eye” way Luciferian Space Aliens Steal Souls

March 12, 2016

Below I have listed a youtube channel post that is entitled: “Symptoms and Side Effects of Opening You Third Eye Chakra”. The introductury text follows and the link is at the end. My comment to one of the commenters follows this introduction. Note the person who made this video says they have an ebook with “17 steps” in the title, another way the Luciferian space aliens sew seeds of confusion to try to commondeer the Next Level’s efforts. This is yet another area in which those standing for Ti and Do can get familiar to provide help to some who are being trapped by the Luciferian space aliens and their supporters (whether they know it or not):

YOUTUBE VIDEO INTRODUCTION:

Symptoms and Side Effects of Opening You Third Eye Chakra – What will happen After Third Eye Awakening and what are the signs of an open third eye? The third eye chakra, or Ajna Chakra in Sanskrit, is our connection to our spirituality and is located between your eyebrows. Third eye meditation can helps you open and activate this chakra. But before you start your third eye awakening, you should take some time to learn more about this chakra and what you can expect from opening it and what you need to be aware of. So here are a couple of things many people have reported experiencing after opening their third eye, and the signs you can look for is you have already opened your third eye, both good and bad.

What Will Happen After Opening The Third Eye Chakra
Many people have experienced hearing a loud popping sound from inside the middle of their head when they first open their third eye chakra. This is believed to be the opening and activation of the pineal gland. The pineal gland is a small hormone-producing gland that is connected to the third eye and is what regulates our sleep rhythm and releases melatonin.
A very normal side effect of opening the third eye is an intense pressure on your forehead and you may feel a consistent tingling or vibrating sensation on the third eye that can stay for days after opening the third eye chakra. This is only a sign that the meditation has worked and your third eye is awakening. This will go away within days, so don’t worry.
People often times experience symptoms directed to their vision and they begin seeing unexplainable things not from this world. This is what you need to be prepared for, as it will be a frightening experience if you are not properly informed and did not prepare yourself for this. One of the things you may see are paranormal entities or what we call spirits of those who have passed. You can develop clairvoyance and the ability to communicate with spirits. Some people see other beings not of this world, and could be creatures of other dimensions or what religion might refer to as demons. No matter what type of entity you may encounter, it will be a very overwhelming experience, and for some people it starts to feel like insanity and something they have a difficult time shutting out.
This is why opening the third eye is something you should prepare yourself for, so that you know what you are dealing with and what you can expect. This means that you have to be patient and take some time learning about the third eye before you actually try opening it… it will greatly benefit you in the end.
So to some of the more positive sides of opening the third eye is your increased ability to develop your psychic abilities and many people have reported experiencing astral travel, seeing auras and a greatly improved intuition.
Other symptoms of an open third eye chakra is more subtle. You will for instance improve your awareness and notice more things around you that were only background elements to you before. You step out of the state of autopilot, where you just go through your day not noticing or paying attention to anything.
Some describe a state of objectiveness where you are not blinded by your eyesight and the illusions and lies your eyes fall a victim to, but you will be able to see things more clearly and sense the truth and reality that is difficult to put into words. This could be a sign that your intuition or sixth sense is improving.
A lot of people say they see lights or colors while meditating, and this is just a sign that your chakra is activating. At some point they may even start to see pictures in their minds eye when they meditate, which in the beginning are very unclear and like a blurry image. Over time with third eye practice, the images will become clearer. Some will see an eye with the indigo or purple color of the third eye chakra in their minds eye.

Get my eBook “The Third Eye – A 17 Step Activation Plan”
video link: https://youtu.be/K1pxp6sE15g

*** end of introductory text and video link on youtube channel post ***

COMMENTS BY A YOUTUBER AND MY COMMENT TO THE COMMENTER:

America Anuchiracheeva asks:

If there is any technical advise to avoid any dark entities scary stuff? thanyou for your advise.

My comment to America Anuchiracheeva as 3spm:

There are no entities that are not scary who will be attracted to you by continuing playing with these tricks. The lower forces of the planet love to have “vehicles”  they can work through. These include space aliens that are actually no longer “space” aliens because they can no longer travel very far from earth – the reason they are trying to get humans to do so, because they wish to escape the earth where they have been in prison for thousands of earth years.

Several years ago, I believe I was given a sample of a third eye opening, I suspect to show me what people were doing and seeing and experiencing as a result. After a few weeks of seeing things it was removed. This third eye opening is a fake enlightenment. What someone is doing with this meditation might be compared to adding a device to your “brain” (computer) that provides a more powerful interface with whatever spirits and actually space aliens that want to use your vehicle. Sure they can assist you in many human things but true enlightenment means you have risen above the human evolutionary kingdom. I don’t think there are any truely enlightened being on the planet right now. I say that because I was the student of TWO enlightened beings, who incarnated into the body of a human woman and a human man in the 1970’s who took the names Ti and Do. They proved to me over 19 years with them that they were from the One True/Real Many Membered Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human – the organization of Beings who have evolved by choice above the human evolutionary condition. They don’t circulate on earth any more than a human would be comfortable living in a wild dog pack or worse yet a snake pit. We can’t actually rise to their state of enlightening without them because what that means is actually filling a “deposit container/pocket” (soul) they install in certain human vehicles, with Their Mind, (spirit) which is living information that if adhered to can grow within that deposit and eventually can be harvested from our vehicle, usually when it dies IF we qualify as they don’t need us and they don’t want just anyone to fill space on their spacecrafts where they live and work, so they make it very hard to join their ranks, but not so hard that anyone who keeps seeking their help can’t accomplish it.

Each person who wants to verify that I am telling the truth about this can project their asking beyond the nearest stars to Them – especially in the names Ti and Do. It’s your choice but to chose these other entites that are space aliens and/or discarnate human spirits is a dead end for your soul. They love having souls as they don’t know how to make a soul and nor can they kill a soul. Only the Next Level who designed everyting and all the life forms can make or destroy a soul. This is one of a number of ways the Luciferian space alien (fallen angels) capture souls that have been planted into humans becaue of the lure of power one gets to see things others don’t see and to have an advantage in the receipt of future help with the intention to capture others. They also want the DNA from those they capture as then they can propogate hybrids they and your soul can prepare for when each physical body being used now dies. They can have you believe when you die you will then be “free” and have that be a welcomed condition theoretically – not encumbered by physicality but it’s an illusion of freedom as once discarnate one can not FEEL sensations in the same way so there is a “wanting” that can not be satiated but they get some satisfaction by influencing living humans to be their tools. This is the norm for the entire human society. All our vehicles are time shared computer systems. The only part that is “us” is the “decider” of what to think, and do.

Now that it’s nearing recycle time it’s especially crutial to those that can still make some sense out of what I’m saying as there is yet another even higher level we need our physical body to make application for and has to be done entirely by choice that involves many steps to progress to and they must be the steps received from an Older Member of the Evolutionary Kingdom Level Above Human that they provided when they came incarnate as they have done a number of times since the start of their latest “garden” like experiment designed to grow souls into new members of their Kingdom. All these things taught by the Luciferian space aliens is permitted by the Next Level Older Members because it serves to provide us with a total choice of what to become in their “garden”. We can become as rotten as the Luciferians chose to become, that they don’t think they are and even have many disbelieving they even exist.

The Next Level will recycle those and it’s very soon without a middle aged person’s human lifetime that that will be completed which will include dissolving the “spirit world” and leveling and spading the entire planet, what some are mis-thinking will “heaven” on earth while it will be a time period to where the planet will have a rest and restoration of the harm the Luciferian space aliens and human sheeple have caused on it, mostly in destroying having any chance to choose to recognized these Creator Beings. Ti is the Chief Administrator of this garden. She, though is not a gendered being, took a female vehicle with Do and fulfilled the Revelations Two Witnesses prophecy and all the prophecies, though some have yet to play out. She was the One who planted a deposit soul into the vehicle they made (not by human mammalian reproduction) to start the recent experiment.

Do was serving by taking over the Adam vehicle and he fell to the influence of the Luciferian space aliens who were allowed to be present to set up the testing criteria. That same soul last known as Do (and to date) recovered over 7 generations later and took over the vehicle named Enoch who then came incarnate as Moses and then Jesus and possibly guatama Buddha and who knows who in previous civilizations on Earth and/or on another planet. This is NOT christian talk nor spiritual. It’s the real deal – the only real deal on earth and in the heavens – literally outer space. There is a great deal to say about all this but it’s up to you to seek it out. I’m simply providing an avenue but I am not a “teacher” from the Next Level. I am a student of Ti and Do, so I have zero desire for followers of me or to start an organization or new religion as religions at this time are all killers of souls because of how they draw people to become satisfied with the human condition and even satisfied to die thinking they get some “heaven” without the huge investment needed of showing the Next Level we want to serve Them on Their Crews on board spacecrafts large and small all over the universe.

You can contact Ti and Do by projecting your asking beyond the stars to them or if that’s too strange to use their names to the highest Living Being you can imagine exists and if you are sincere they will show you that I speak Their truth. They never lure or manipulate anyone though the have a very certain “rule” for their “”God” Astronaut Training Program” which they first called a “Human Individual Metamorphosis”.

Conclusion:

This person asking if there is a way to avoid the dark forces sounds to me like a ripe soul in that vehicle where many are overrippened and are already sold themselves to the Luciferians. As usual it’s not our job to save souls as religionists often do. It’s our job if we choose to take it to show the choices by introducing people to Ti and Do and their Next Level Above Human so they can judge for themselves who to give their allegience to.

I’m not saying everything I said in this post is exactly as Ti and Do would have said it. In fact I am confident I didn’t. I would welcome anyone’s help to improve my post and make it their own or start from scrach to make their own using quotes from Ti and Do and Crew and references to documents they left behind. If you leave those quotes in comments on this blog post I’ll include them to make this post better.