The following are questions from a student trying to write a paper on the evidence of Ti and Do as the fulfillment of the Rev 11 Two Witnesses prophecy, to which I have responded with concise answers as to go in depth is a huge book:
1) When exactly did the 1,260 days pass when the two witnesses were granted authority to prophesy to all the people of the earth?
This question is referring to:
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
The passing of the 1260 day prophecy period was announced on April 21, 1976 in a college auditorium in Manhattan, Kansas, when Ti, then using the name Peep (while Do was using the name Bo) said, “the harvest is closed” and neither did another public meeting thereafter. However, they then instructed their student body of about a 100 students in 7 groups, counting their own group with 6 student helpers to finish the existing meetings they had scheduled around the U.S. Those meetings were finished by mid June which would be 1260 days from when Ti and Do officialy began their prophecy period on January 1, 1973 when they left their Houston, Texas lives behind that included both their families, friends, homes, possessions and careers.
Sources: Sawyers blog having been Ti and Do’s student for 19 years and the book Do wrote entitled, “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew” to be found at: https://sawyerhg.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/88-update-the-ufocloud-of-light-two-tifather-and-dojesus-and-their-crew-not-space-aliens-or-discarnate-spirits-or-luciferians/
2) Can you give examples of how they able to devour their enemies with fire from their mouth during that time? Also, can you give examples of their power over the sky and water, and how they had struck the earth with plague?
Here is the verse:
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
First off it is “IF”, thus does not say that what follows absolutely takes place and also doesn’t state that if it does anyone will be particularily aware of what takes place. And if some “hurt” is inflicted against them, according to the varied definitions of “hurt”, i.e. can be someone being unjust or doing something wrong to them, even offending them, to which their response will be to “eat them down” (devour) with the power/force (fire) of their words/language out of their incarnate mouths. One can’t have a mouth unless they are incarnate. Even though prophecies are composed of figures, metaphores and symbols and literals, they will upon fulfillment all have a literal representation on Earth among the humans that experience it and are open to their depiction of reality, though will also leave as an option their consideration though most will not bother with as it’s not seen as profitable. But in the case of these TWO who are clearly incarnate – defined as “in carnal”, from the latin “carne”, flesh, and also demonstrated by Jesus saying He (and his Father, by the way) would come as a “son of man” defined as “offspring of human from the geneology of Adam (man)”. All these depictions are rooted in the records of the Old Testament and other materials not included in the Old and New Testaments but directly linked to the same time period, locations and people.
To “eat down”(devour) is like saying they will be put in their place, overwhelmed, have their affect reduced, wore out. And fire or lightning, having to do with delivering a literally powerful perspective and message that no one can stand up to and as used by Jesus, is like a smelting of gold to get rid of impurities that in this example those who hate them will be especially subject to as spelled out in Mat 3:11 below and because of will result in their demise in some way relative to (in the manner) the “hurt” they seek to inflict.
And because, going against these two and not repenting (changing their mind) before they die, they will have by their own choices eliminated themselves from the “book of life”, thus they will not only experience death as all humans do (with the exception of a Soul, as Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus, that came from the Kingdom of God/Heaven and had the task to demonstrate their eternal physical nature) but will also have their spirits recycled as well as depicted by being included in the “lake of fire”.
One reason this is depicted as “if” this then this, is because the Kingdom of God/Heaven don’t predetermine human reactions though they know what most of them will be, the same as humans can observe animal behavior and predict most of it. But there are always some animals that surprise us. The Kingdom of God/Heaven Older Members look for those and anticipate all as capable of positive responses.
Most Christian commentators see this verse as a clue to the identity of one of the Two Witnesses in the records thinking that because Elijah asked God to bring fire down on the prophets of Baal, which occurred and then was witnessed as “taken” physically into a “whirlwind” (UFO), and also evidenced weather control, he was one of these two.
Ti said it was the same Soul from the Kingdom of God/Heaven who fulfilled the incarnate tasks of Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah, Jesus and then Bo/Do and would also be the One to return for the second harvest (see two harvests in Rev 14), which is not an incarnate return and is the one most Christians are still anticipating, not realizing that He is returning for those who came to believe in Ti and Do while they were incarnate.
However, there are examples of the application of this verse:
The setting: Mrs. Culpepper was the owner of the house where Bo and Peep held their first private meetings in April of 1975, having been invited by a meditation group in Los Angeles – “city of God’s angels (messengers)”, of which Joan Culpepper was a participant and briefly became one of their followers and then for a short time turned against them and then after they became a public news story one of their proponents, though never to the degree of following with them again.
In the book, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary”, by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger, published by Pocket Books, June 1976, on page 33 it states, “Mrs. Culpepper emphasized that in her opinion Bo and Peep were dangerous. They were not run of the mill con artists. ‘They have tremendous mental power. It is not hypnosis. It is thought transplant. They can do it in a matter of minutes.'”
Even though this is not a positive example it does go to show how this one person, who is by far not alone depicted Ti and Do as evidencing their “mouth” in the delivery of words that of course all start as thoughts were perceived by others to have “tremendous mental power” (fire).
In another example Sawyer recollects:
Ti and Do said they were driving down a two lane road in a mountainous area. A car full of people came up behind them and apparently didn’t like the speed they were going so began to honk at them. There was no place to pull over to let them pass but eventually they passed them and as they did gave them the finger. A short time later they came up on them. They had driven off the road into the ditch.
Coincidence? or what Jesus described as what you sow you reap, actually kin the idea of karma. Note that the word translated to “manner” in the verse is just as logically translated to “after that” or “likewise” and “accordingly” these folks were; abolished or extinguished off the road when they angrily and unjustly wanted Ti and Do to get off the road to the degree that they sought to express their insulting gesture.
But their words were filled with “fire” as fire is also relative to “light” having to do with both providing enlightening that to someone in their opposition would try to ignore or combat. In other words, no one had anything to say to combat what they taught. People didn’t believe in them and found fault with them and called them charlatans and “mind controlling” and like hypnotists but had no evidence of any of that. However, their “fire” was also felt by many as “authority”, that was also said about Jesus, to a degree that can not be actually measured to understand how/why. Finally, their words had a purging kind of affect on people. People claimed they looked right through them. They didn’t say or do anything against any people at all. What was actually happening was that they by their presence around someone became disarmed (eaten down). The actual mechanics of that was the intensity of the Mind that occupied their physical vehicles and how that would send discarnates that make their home with humans as a normal characteristic of the human kingdom packing. In other words, they frightened away spirits and left people speechless to combat them.
For at least the first 10 years with them when I was in a meeting of all the students with them, if I felt my eyes meet Do’s, as Do did most of the talking, I could not look at him without literally feeling a kind of twitching that even had a grinding sound I heard inside my head that felt so uncomfortable I could not continue looking into his eyes. As I got rid of my discarnate influences that all humans have who time share human bodies and we decide to permit or not, which is what was talked about as “sweeping out one’s house” or “cleaning one’s robe or garment”, etc. I no longer experienced that.
Here is the verse, broken down to it’s Greek translation options:
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt*1 ((be unjust to, do wrong, injure, offend, take wrong)) them, fire*2 ((lightning)) proceedeth out of their mouth*3 ((gash in face, implying by language/words)), and devoureth*4 ((to eat down)) their enemies ((those who hate them)): and if any man will hurt ((be unjust to, do wrong, injure, offend, take wrong)) them, he must in this manner ((3779 houto= after that, in this fashion, likewise)) be killed*5 ((destroyed, extinguished, abolished, separated, allowed to perish, killed)).
*1 hurt = 91 adikeo ad-ee-keh’-o from adikoV – adikos 94; to be unjust, i.e. (actively) do wrong (morally, socially or physically):–hurt, injure, be an offender, be unjust, (do, suffer, take) wrong.
*2 fire = 4442 pur poor a primary word; “fire” (literally or figuratively, specially, lightning*):–fiery, fire.
As in smelting:
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
*3 mouth = 4750 stoma stom’-a probably strengthened from a presumed derivative of the base of tomwteroV – tomoteros 5114; the mouth (as if a gash in the face); by implication, language (and its relations); figuratively, an opening (in the earth); specially, the front or edge (of a weapon):–edge, face, mouth. *4 devoureth = 2719 katesthio kat-es-thee’-o from kata – kata 2596 and esqiw – esthio 2068 (including its alternate); to eat down, i.e. devour (literally or figuratively):–devour. 2596 kata kat-ah’ a primary particle; (prepositionally) down (in place or time), in varied relations (according to the case (genitive, dative or accusative) with which it is joined):–about, according as (to), after, against, (when they were) X alone, among, and, X apart, (even, like) as (concerning, pertaining to touching), X aside, at, before, beyond, by, to the charge of, (charita-)bly, concerning, + covered, (dai-)ly, down, every, (+ far more) exceeding, X more excellent, for, from … to, godly, in(-asmuch, divers, every, -to, respect of), … by, after the manner of, + by any means, beyond (out of) measure, X mightily, more, X natural, of (up-)on (X part), out (of every), over against, (+ your) X own, + particularly, so, through(-oughout, -oughout every), thus, (un-)to(-gether, -ward), X uttermost, where(-by), with. In composition it retains many of these applications, and frequently denotes opposition, distribution, or intensity. 2068 esthio es-thee’-o strengthened for a primary edo (to eat); used only in certain tenses, the rest being supplied by fagw – phago 5315; to eat (usually literal):–devour, eat, live.
Another example of usage:
Luk 15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
*5 killed = 615 apokteino ap-ok-ti’-no from apo – apo 575 and kteino (to slay); to kill outright; figuratively, to destroy:–put to death, kill, slay. 575 apo apo’ a primary particle; “off,” i.e. away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literal or figurative):–(X here-)after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for(-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-)on(-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) to kill in any way whatever 1a) to destroy, to allow to perish 2) metaph. to extinguish, abolish 2a) to inflict mortal death 2b) to deprive of spiritual life and procure eternal misery in hell
The following alternate example lists the Greek transliteration “apokteino” twice, once translated to English as “put” and the other as “death”, but it seems to make sense in the reverse order of the context as it is saying that Herod would have rather X him than X him because he feared the multitude… Killing him (John the Baptist) would have upset the multitude much more than “imprisioning him” – “putting him away”, I presume, a feasible way to interpret apokteino: Mat 14:5 And when he would ((determined, be disposed, desired, have rather)) have put ((apokteino= killed)) him to death ((apokteino= than put him away)), he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.
To the second part of your question, you are referring to verse:
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will ((determine)).
The examples in this verse evidences what Moses performed upon Jehovah’s instigation to get Pharaoh to let the Israelites out of Egyptian control. The verse doesn’t say they use those powers and to the contrary Jesus said upon his/their return, the “false prophets” would be the ones showing great signs and wonders to fool even the elect:
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
The elect are those prepared to receive/recognize The Father and Son’s prophesied return, either while they were incarnate or afterwards to date. Speaking of which it was also very clear that upon his/their return they would both have new names as they would have new human bodies to take over that were prepped for them and Ti and Do actually said would have died had they not taken them over. In this verse, that is one that offers some of this proof, the term God is actually referring to the same individual who performed the tasks of Jehovah, The Father and then with the new name of Peep and finally Ti:
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
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3) Who or what was the beast that overcame and killed them?
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In short, the beast are all humans who know it or not are making choices that are the result of the Luciferian fallen angel space alien’s influence over them. This influence comes in two ways. a) From the facts of the many UFO and Space Alien related events throughout history but showing the most evidence in the U.S. in the 1940’s and 1950’s when they were released from their “bottomless pit” as depicted in…:
Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
…which resulted in people and governments recognizing their physical reality and starting their agencies to deal with them. There is evidence, from leaks that factions in the U.S. government, mostly involving the military and intelligence organizations met with and worked with at least one space alien race in the 1970’s and agreed to not try to stop their abduction of humans for their hybridization experiments in exchange for access to their spacecraft technologies that the U.S. badly wanted. This degree of relationship largely began under President/General Eisenhower and has since been the motivation behind the building of the U.S. shadow government that Hillary Clinton admitted to the existence of publically when she was running for public office years ago. This is just one example of how the space aliens have influenced many developments in all fields of science as it was reported that the U.S. at one point had no less than five of their spacecraft to back engineering their zero gravity propulsion systems.
b) This second way in which these Luciferians have influenced humans is through their “discarnate” presence. This mainly takes place among those humans who rise to a certain amount of popularity and thus power, and mostly in governmental positions as the intention is to escalate the agenda to get human help to build the technology the Luciferians want and need if they are going to get off the planet before it is recycled again. Plus they are desperate to add to their ranks from the human kingdom, hence the myrid of Contactees that have formed groups in the U.S. and Europe since the turn of the 20th century.
Therefore the “beast” is essentially the U.S. government though any/all governments are also beasts where the meaning of the word has to do with wild and/or venomous mammals, like many humans, venomous in the way they justify killing and stealing from other nations while working and spreading lies and deceit to get their way, that is pushed by the main body of people with the biggest controls, all of which are poisons to a soul and against the Kingdom of God/Heaven. When governments go about conquering others, subjugating populations by installing puppet rulers and raping natural resources they foster unrest and discord while blanketly lying to cover up what they don’t want the public to know about. Of course not all in government are in league with this “beast” and subsequently the literal ones who were released from the deep/debtless places, aka “bottomless pit” are used to naturally put all to the test of the ways in which each of us can be in league with this “beast” through giving out loyalty and/or working for them, the mark of the beast on our “head” and/or “hand”.
These questions about the beast and referencing the Two Witnesses being subdued (overcome) and seperated/completed/departed with/at/from/upon death (killed) is spelled out in this verse:
Rev 11:7 And when ((as long as, whenever)) (they) shall (have) finished ((5055 teleo= perform, accomplished, as long as, ended)) their testimony, the beast*1 ((The Luciferian fallen angel space aliens influence of the human kingdom)) that ascendeth ((to go up)) out of((from)) the bottomless pit*2 ((deep, pit)) shall make ((cast out)) war((fight, battle)) against ((amid, accompaniment, among)) them, and shall overcome*3 ((subdue)) them, and*4 ((2532 kai=also, even, then)) kill*5 ((apokteino= separated, ceased, departed[exited?], completed, reversed[returned?] with/at/from/upon death)) them ((themselves)).
*1 beast = 2342 therion thay-ree’-on
diminutive from the same as qhra – thera 2339; a dangerous animal:–(venomous, wild) beast.
2339 thera thay’-rah
from ther (a wild animal, as game); hunting, i.e. (figuratively) destruction:–trap.
*2 bottomless pit = 12 abussos ab’-us-sos
from a – a 1 (as a negative particle) and a variation of buqoV – buthos 1037; depthless, i.e. (specially) (infernal) “abyss”:–deep, (bottomless) pit.
1037 buthos boo-thos’
a variation of baqoV – bathos 899; depth, i.e. (by implication) the sea:–deep.
*3 overcome = 3528 nikao nik-ah’-o
from nikh – nike 3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively):–conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory.
3529 nike nee’-kay
apparently a primary word; conquest (abstractly), i.e. (figuratively) the means of success:–victory.
THE BEAST CAN NOT OVERCOME THE TWO WITNESSES – Their task was not designed to be the sacrificial lamb as Jesus’ task was to help the students to graduate their second of three trimesters in their soul/spirit births.
Humans are the ones the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens (beast) work through and can never literally overcome the Next Level Older Members (Two Witnesses). They can at the most only kill the physical bodies these Two temporarily “wear” (like clothing) for their task – called being incarnate within. Their Soul bodies are eternal and being Older Members they have Kingdom of God/Heaven designed physical bodies to return to that have no human characteristics (humans were designed to have the potential to adopt some of Their characteristics and were designed to have a Kingdom of God/Heaven (Next Level) physical image/likeness – thus humanoid looking.
The English word, “Overcome” has the same meaning as to “conquer” or “prevail” having it’s roots in the Hebrew word, “israel” that Jacob was named after prevailing in his fight against a Luciferian fallen angel space alien (probably discarnate) as “those who overcome, or THOSE WHO CONQUER OR PREVAIL AS/LIKE/UNDER THE DIRECTION OF JEHOVAH. And Jesus said those who Overcome, what Ti and Do spoke of as THE “overcoming of human behavior and ways PROCESS”, the opportunity to do so would be “given to a new nation/ethnicity” leaving the previous ethnicity called today’s Jews vacant of Next Level Mind/Spirit although many who identify with their heritage still think of themselves as a nation and ethnicity with a special relationship with the Kingdom of God/Heaven and the past promises based on their committments (covenant) with the Most High God. This is not to pass judgement on Jews as they are individually no different than anyone else. At any given moment someone who is Jewish can choose to believe whatever they want to believe and based on that each will have their relationship with the Most High God, who depending on their thirst will lead them to the hightest truths, which in my opinion will be Ti and Do, so they can decide where their allegience truely lies. If one can not or rather does not want to “change their mind” when a change opportunity has been provided, (as with Ti and Do’s arrival) to which they can see all their heritage played out in modern terms and understanding that are no longer steeped in mystery, then that’s their ultimate choice and they will be judged by that choice, so such time will be their final judgement during the course of the remaining years to the end of the age. (An age to the Kingdom of God/Heaven is speaking of the course of the entire experiment, starting from the Adam/Eve account to the return of the Kingdom of God/Heaven (Father and Jesus and Saints), as Ti and Do and Crew, following the remaining short time after they have been incarnate, but while only visible to humans in the literal “heavens” to accept or reject.
This is suggesting that Do and Crew may be scheduled to return one more time before recycling the entire planet’s surface, but NOT incarnate and NOT walking among humans but staying in their spacecrafts but in such a way that might offer one last proof that they were representing themselves by the time and effort incarnate as Ti and Do.
HOWEVER THE BEAST CAN, IF PERMITTED BY THE NEXT LEVEL “SUBDUE” THEIR EFFORTS
Therefore, from the various translation options listed in Strongs, “subdue” most seems to represent what the BEAST does to these Two Witnesses. Subdue is defined in this context as:
1.to bring a person or group of people under control using force
2.to soften something, or make something less intense
This is what took place as a result of the October 18, 1975 CBS TV network news broadcast by Walter Cronkite that revealed the “mystery surrounding the Two” as solved that Ti and Do seriously felt was their being shot down by the press as it forcibly established control over Ti and Do and crew. After that, the pictures of their physical bodies were all over the news. For them to give public meetings after that using the same motis operandi would now be familiar to people, so that their message wouldn’t stand much of a chance of breaking through the barrage of thoughts and actions that judged them as dangerous mind controlling false prophets.
*4 and = 2532 kai kahee
apparently, a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes also a cumulative force; and, also, even, so then, too, etc.; often used in connection (or composition) with other particles or small words:–and, also, both, but, even, for, if, or, so, that, then, therefore, when, yet.
*5 killed = 615 apokteino ap-ok-ti’-no
from apo – apo 575 and kteino (to slay); to kill outright; figuratively, to destroy:–put to death, kill, slay.
575 apo apo’
a primary particle; “off,” i.e. away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literal or figurative):–(X here-)after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for(-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-)on(-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.
From a primary Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) for apokteino:
1) to kill in any way whatever
1a) to destroy, to allow to perish
2) metaph. to extinguish, abolish
2a) to inflict mortal death
2b) to deprive of spiritual life and procure eternal misery in hell
For this reason some translators list apokteino as meaning to “kill in any way”, yet it is almost always translated to “kill” or “slay” in 55 New Testament locations, mostly pertaining to Jesus death, which is interesting as to Jesus HE wasn’t being killed or slain exactly because He KNEW He was more than that human vehicle he wore (the vehicle wrapped around His true nature, His Soul body) that He, perhaps with His Father’s assistance, in the tomb would heal and transform into a new physical body that didn’t exactly resemble the one that was crucified, yet had left some characteristics remaining so he could prove to his disciples he was still a PHYSICAL BEING AND NOT A SPIRIT. But pertaining to apokteino, there is actually no evidence published of the meaning of kteino or any related term, while for other Greek words translated to kill there are many associated spellings.
The following alternate example lists the Greek transliteration “apokteino” twice, once translated to English as “put” and the other as “death”, but it seems to make sense in the reverse order of the context as it is saying that Herod would have rather X him than X him because he feared the multitude… Killing him (John the Baptist) would have upset the multitude much more than “imprisioning him” – “putting him away”, I presume, a feasible way to interpret apokteino:
Mat 14:5 And when he would ((determined, be disposed, desired, have rather)) have put ((apokteino= killed)) him to death ((apokteino= than put him away)), he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.
However, with this said it always remained a puzzle as to the Rev 11:7 usage to say the “beast” shall “overcome them and kill them” as both overcome and kill, even if we say apokteino is meant as “kill in any way”, separation by death, etc. as both connot They are finished. But if they both have the same connotation, why say it in two distinct ways as none of these prophecies are ever casual in their use of words and they don’t display a format to where one is an adverb as both have their own pronoun subject as “them” associated. All five of these words are in the original manuscripts used to construct this verse. On top of that the word “and”. Greek “kai” was between the two verb/subject combonations (though reversed in order as is the way Greek is formatted) which is also never used causually in scripture but can be translated, in this context equally well as “also, even, then” but as “and” is mostly used to seperate two distinct events.
Of course I would never have wondered all these things if I wasn’t trying to match the scripture to what I know took place with Ti and Do. That actually explains why most of prophecy is actually impossible to decipher accurately without having a real example to apply, which can explain the fact that part of the prophecies express the timing for the revealing of what was formally hidden. Theologians often say these truths and understandings of prophecies can not be known until Jesus returns, largely drawing from Daniel being told to “shut up the prophecies until the end” and John being told the same thing in Revelations 10, to where the end, that is of the “sounding” stage is spelled out as “in the days of the voice of the seventh angel”:
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Note: here the mystery that is to be finished is what the ones called Jesus and his Father, that I believe are evidenced to date as Do and Ti, had “declared to his servants the prophets”, thus contained within what we call the Old New testament teachings and prophecies of the future. As hard to believe as this will be for many, I believe this seventh (trumpet) sounding occurred from February 15th of 2013 to the end of March 2013, with the arrival of the great meteor that produced no human causualties but caused a great deal of physical damage to the Russian town of Chelyabinsk and was followed 16 hours later by another object said to evidence the same trajectory. The details of this event are available at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor, but are not at all the only evidence of a major annoucement from the Level Above Human. On this same day, there was a fireball seen over northern California and a giant asteroid flying close by Earth that was as close as 17,000 miles which is inside the Moons orbit. Days later there were fireballs reported all over the world and there were some days before as well. Then there was a fireball that looked more like a craft as it no tail or sonic boom or fragments that caused a huge stir from the great lake Ohio area of the U.S. to the Virginias but was also reported seen from Vermont to Florida and finally the Pan Starrs comet that made perihelian on March 10, 2013 and was visible to the naked eye for some days before and after than, curiously during the anniversry of the Hale-Bopp Comet Do and Students considered their “sign” for the timing of their exit by Palm Sunday on March 21-24 of 1997. Pan Starrs was not just a curiousity in it’s timing but also showed a “companion object” with it that was on the internet briefly before being whisked away, (though I have a copy of the images). The companions was explained as an anomoly, perhaps evidence it was breaking up, yet the object was quite large and was away from the head of the comet, thus as if flying in front of it and as it was reported as one of several pictures couldn’t have been part of the comet breaking up or it would have simply become part of it’s tail, logically speaking as to be projected in front of this massive object would seem to defy physics as humans understand physics, which in reality is very little. Another curiosity was the way Feb. 15, 2013 was to the day or two 40 years (1 hour by God’s time) from the day that Ti and Do left Bourne, Texas armed with having significantly awakened to their mission for what they both believed to be from their Heavenly Father from outer space (the literal heavens).
But what if apokteino is actually “kill in any way” while also meaning a SEPARATION BY DEATH, COMPLETION BY DEATH, DEPARTED/EXIT BY DEATH
After all the translation options above, of the Greek, “apokteino” where “apo” as a prefix is defined as, “separated (off, away), ceased, departed, completed” and “kteino” defined presumably as death or dying (mortal or spirit), extinguish, abolish and/or destroy, when combined translates to SEPARATION/off/away, COMPLETION, DEPARTED, reversed/RETURNED WITH/AT/FROM/UPON (some form of becoming dead, thus DEATH), which seems to be far more filled with likliness possabilities than translating it to “killed”, ignoring the prefix “apo” entirely. If it was meant to be just “killed” why not use the Greek word:
5407 phoneuo (fon-yoo’-o) from 5406; verb, translated as – kill 10, do murder 1, slay 1; 12 = to kill, slay, murder, to commit murder.
For example as in:
Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill ((5407 phoneuo)); and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I’m questioning the translation not the Greek word it came from. After all, this verse is speaking about Two members of the Kingdom of God/Heaven who as described in Rev 11:4 as “OLIVE TREES” and “LAMPSTANDS” are “ANOINTED ONES” (see Zechariah 4), thus “CHRISTS” in the history of these depictions. So as is evident by my choice of upper case characters above the essential differences I see in “apokteino” refers to these two being “seperated, departed or having completed something with/at/from/upon death of the body whereas the Greek “phoneuo” refers exclusivly to the act of killing someone, even though the supposed root of kteino claims the same “to slay” translation, that is IF it was used without that very purposeful “apo”.
Since these verses are depicting the prophecy period and it’s fulfillment, when they complete/finish it will be up to these TWO in their mental communion with Their Older Member (Heavenly Father) who is on a spacecraft nearby. The “beast” has no say in when, where and how they will exit, “seperate from their vehicles (bodies)”. Just like with Jesus, the “beast” saw to it that he was seperated from his vehicle BUT IT WAS AT HIS INSTIGATION according to the instructions he received from his Father when he climbed what has been called the Transfiguration Mount with his disciples James, John and Peter in witness.
By the way this is another reason some believe the Two Witnesses are Moses and Elijah, because from this meeting one or more of these disciples initially recorded giving these two messengers those identities that Jesus did not verify nor deny. For all intents and purposes it is quite possible that these two were the physical bodies of Moses and Elijah. After all Elijah was witnessed by Elisha, his disciple to have been “taken” by a whirlwind and Moses walked off into the desert and his body or remains were never found (and it’s hard to imagine that some would not have went to look for him at some point). Ti and Do felt Moses was taken but I am not aware of why. As I have said before, Ti said that the Older Member Soul from the Next Level (Kingdom of God/Heaven) named Do on this Two Witnesses task was also the same One who performed the tasks of Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus, thus those Christians who believe the Two are Moses and Elijah and/or Enoch and/or any of these are correct. But where Christians are not correct is in expecting they to arrive and call themselves by those names. Jesus even said not to believe someone who comes saying they were Jesus the Christ. Ti and Do said they are not Jesus because Jesus was the name of that physical body that Older Member Soul took to perform his task. Even though that vehicle with the Older Member soul occupying it were lifted up into the cloaked (cloud) spacecraft to show those in observance how they physically come and go doesn’t mean once he was on that spacecraft he would have stayed in the body. In any case, if he did stay in that body, he then sacrificed it or as Do suggested “hung it in a closet” on board a spacecraft at one point before he was sure that they had come in purposely crashed spacecrafts in the 1940’s and 1950’s.
In these verses below Jesus makes it very clear what he was doing by turning himself in to have his body killed:
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power ((1849 exousia= power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases, authority, right, jurisdiction, strength, permission, mental power)) to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
THIS LAST VERSE SHOWS THAT HE HAD THE CHOICE AND PERMISSION (FROM HIS FATHER) TO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE BY TURNING HIMSELF IN TO BE KILLED, A “SUICIDE” FOR HIS FATHER WHO LOVES HIM BECAUSE HE IS WILLING TO GIVE HIS ALL AND THAT HE WAS FOLLOWING HIS FATHER’S INSTRUCTION/COMMANDMENT TO DO SO. Understanding this is key to also understanding how Ti and Do and students also chose to lay down their lives for their Older Member (Father), Do for Ti and the student body for Do.
But the time frames for Their CHOSEN “seperation” from their vehicles by/through the vehicles death is determined when they have determined their task to be accomplished. That little word “and” in between being subdued (overcome) and separating/completing/departing with/by/from death (killed) doesn’t speak to how much time passes in between nor whether or not their seperation from their physical bodies occur at the same time and way or not. For instance, Revelations 12 depicts the activity from the Father’s perspective, who takes a “Woman gendered clothing”:
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Subsequent verses decribe how this “woman” gives birth to a “son”, another indication that she is a parent, but the fact that she is clothed by both Sun(Father) and Moon(Mother) while under(cover) on feet (Earth as the Children’s footstool to birth). Some Christians say this “child” is the church, which has it’s truth to it as the church is the body of believers and this One in particular was once a believer but had graduated from the human kingdom long, long before the current “church body”. It was a good attempt to understand it lacking Their return. I don’t know how the “woman” part is justified though if the translation/interpretation is as general and symbolic as the symbolism, it’s kind defeats the purpose of providing a clear picture of the Kingdom of God/Heaven’s implementation of their harvest plan. After all, one only needs to look at the prophecies for the messiah’s return that the Jews are still anticipating to see how one can’t see the literal interpretation of prophecy until the prophecy is being fulfilled and even moreso after the fact. This is all part of the plan though as it offers everyone the challenge they have been groomed to choose to consider and potenitally believe in and become in allegience to exclusively to show the Next Level they are a sprouting soul seed.
These verses then depict the serpent’s arrival, again the venomous beast from the Luciferian fallen angel focus followed by the Woman taking her children to include the new liter she has groomed her Son to birth, into the wilderness, which was the wyoming campgound living experience that lasted for about 3 years before moving into suburban Colorado neighborhoods and other states thereafter.
Finally She, her vehicle is overcome by the serpents flood of thoughts against her and her son and students that she takes the greater brunt of, seperates from her vehicle (dies) in 1985 and causes the battle to focus instead on her Son and Their seed, depicted by:
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Thus the Luciferian space aliens through their discarnates and direct thought transmissions and through the human negativity they also largely foster directly and indirectly, stored in their genes/subconscious minds heaped on Her (Them) through the thoughts and feelings sent to them in response to their “stealing/catching (rapture) away” of the Earth human’s offspring takes a huge toll on her body literally as she must fight off every thought while shouldering the greater share of helping the student body to include her Son, the One who was Jesus rise to his position on the “throne” of the task and to then birth each of the litter of Souls via each of their difficult overcoming of all their human behaviors, ways, attachments, and overall root systems to the human kingdom and the Earth. I witnesses much of this though at the time didn’t have much of a clue of it’s extent. When one never bucks a system one never knows how intense the backlach is, even if just from what we can’t see in thoughts and feelings. People who hold public office where they are not popular with all the people do get attacked by what is to them and their foward motion negativity but they have so many supporters that buffer that negativity. Ti and Do had only a handful of supporters as did Jesus and as did Moses.
The phrase “earth opened her mouth” is a phrase for consuming someone so they die. In 1983 Ti was diagnosed with cancer in her eye and had it removed and was told by her doctor the cancer had “probably spread throughout her body”. Ti knowing doctors as she worked as a professional nurse in hospitals for many years told the doctor he had no right to tell her that without proof as it sets up the patient to battle the negative when he may be wrong. A verdict like that can ruin someone’s life and the others in their life so needs to be only said when there is sufficient proof. There was no indication she anything to try to surpress it’s growth, but then I wouldn’t have been privy to that information necessarily. It was two weeks before her vehicle died that Do told us she had been diagnosed with cancer in her liver.
However, even though it looks like she died against her will, by disease Ti also layed down her body, (as did Do twice) by heading the task to begin with knowing that They would be hated by most and potentially killed because of. They were threatened and demonized just as Jesus was and just like with Jesus for no good or legal reason as no one was cohersed into joining them and all who did join were adults, whether young or old adults but were to some degree living on their own, so no one was snatched away from their parents nest, though parents naturally had a mighty challenge to either look to their idea of God for help to understand or not.
She chose to be cremated and her ashes were spread over White Rock Lake in Dallas, Texas a few days following her vehicles death on June 19, 1985. The student body knew nothing of what she went through until two weeks before she exited her incarnation. Ti always told Do she was here to “get him started” and after that said she would “go back”. When she said this, Do always wondered what that meant as Ti didn’t give any further details. He couldn’t imagine that she meant she would be going back to her human vehicle’s family. When her vehicle expired Do said because of the stresses of Ti’s task she “burned out her vehicle” and then he knew what she meant about going back after getting him started. She came with him to birth him to his next station of bringing the students through their birth canal/metamorphosis. This was her seperation, completion, ceasation of her incarnate task and return via dropping the vehicle, the choice she knew was before her from the start of their prophecy. All in all she was incarnate and fully awake for 12 years. Do was incarnate and fully awake for 24 years. These are not accidental numbers.
More details pertaining to the identities of the “beast”:
To the Kingdom of God/Heaven these are dangerous to Souls and venomous with what they teach as following their teaching, behaviors and ways are deadly to any Soul. Many people are fooled by their general peaceful nature and caring about the Earth environment as evidenced by various contactees. Lucifer was called an “angel of light” for he had drawn into his soul a certain amount of Kingdom of God/Heaven “holy” mind/spirit which amounts to information about the physical reality and how the Evolutionary Level Above Human (Kingdom of God/Heaven) works to build “gardens” to grow Souls upon towards new membership in their Family, their behaviors and ways) but having rebelled from allegience to his Older Member (heavenly Father) lost much of the awareness his connection and experience provided. The one called Lucifer is actually in the spirit world along with the original fallen angels that Enoch detailed. However all the humans who they seeded through their hybridization programs long, long ago, before the start of the latest civilization garden like experiment, marked by the Adam and Eve event, that were allowed to survive the floods or other recycling stages on the Earth, by hiding underground or in the seas, were allowed by the Kingdom of God/Heaven to come out of their facilities sometime during the 1940’s and 1950’s which is depicted by the opening of the bottomless pit in Rev 9:1 that was sycronized with the Kingdom of God/Heaven planned, “UFO Crashes” that marked the main arrival of most of the returned “saints”. The Ones who were Jesus and His Father came in the same way but previous to the full body of students with the first possabily as early as 1897 in the Aurora, Texas crash with one non-human body found and buried and reported in the press.
The fallen angel’s descendents while at the height of their civilization had acquired technologies that they took with them into their underground hiding places, not far different than what is happening now in human governments anticipating environmental calamity, space alien attacks, nuclear war or pandemic threats to human existence. As we speak building of extensive underground facilities progresses all over the world. The Kingdom of God/Heaven will choose which to allow to survive until the civilization is re-planted, possably by another Adam/Eve type of experiment that would follow a complete recylcing of the current civilization on Earth. Then at whatever appointed time, possabily 1000 years later the Kingdom of God/Heaven would open up one or more of the underground facilities that had been shut up, to allow those humans who were trying to propogate and survive to come to the surface. These humans that emerge with their technology will be seen by the upcoming civilization’s human population in the same way humans have come to recognize the existing space alien population. These new space aliens would have the same kind of agenda the last crop of space aliens have now. They want to encourage humans who at that time would have the facilities to construct flying objects to build models that could be used to escape the planet as opposed to being trapped inside the earth again. And they would want to restore the propogation of their species, thus would abduct humans to extract eggs and sperm and experiment cross breeding with the new crop of humans. And they would be trying to develop energy systems to use to power their space crafts. Thus they would in very secret ways find scientists among the human population that they can relate to and thus get the help from to build new space crafts. This seems to be what happened in Germany during the Hitler regime as it was in the early 1930’s when Hitler commissioned experimental building of what today look like flying saucers. Hitler also was behind many expeditions to Antarctica where they became aware of a “shangrila” which seems to be related to the North Pole “hollow earth” entry point as surmised from Admiral Byrd’s expedition that reported beings with sophisticated crafts living inside the Earth in a tropical environment that allowed for exit only through the Antartica pole. And so we have the idea of a “bottomless pit” extending from the north to the south pole.
This is an extensive conversation wrought with disinformation but many facts that remain have been surfacing at this time as Jesus said in the end time all things “covered up” would be revealed and as Daniel said, “knowledge ((awareness)) [would be] increased”.
Luk 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
Ti and Do referred to all space aliens as Luciferian because they were all related to the fallen angels that at one time Lucifer was the leader of. Ti indicated that Lucifer was Do’s counterpart and they related an experience Do had in a book store in Portland, Oregon where Do said he saw Lucifer and was alarmed by but knew this was his rival. The Luciferians through the discarnate world seek to influence key humans in high places to motivate them to whatever his agenda. That agenda is to steal souls that were planted by the Next Level to add to their ranks on spacecrafts. Thus we see the numerous contactees starting in the 1940’s and 1950’s but increasing to date, often masquerading as Jesus.
The Luciferians have been so successful in their programs to influence society that what humans think is a normal way to think and act is directly the result of the Luciferian influence. Thus it was just a matter of time before the Luciferian’s influenced the humans in the governments and media and powerful corporations to participate in destroy, eliminate from people’s consideration or even kill any Representatives from the Next Level that come incarnate and attempt to talk honestly about the reality of the Next Level as a non-religious and non-spiritual physical many membered “kingdom” all could choose to apply to evolve into through and with those sent Representatives.
(Peep) TI AND DO (Bo) ARE SUBDUED (overcome):
They at that time on about October 21, 1975, 2-3 days after Walter Cronkites announcement of their vehicles human names and record felt they receive instruction that the strategy had changed so that they were no longer going to be physically killed to demonstrate death overcome as they thought then, though they no idea that prophecy actually depicted these events in the way they experienced, them as I have laid out til here. They were not aware that Ti was to exit her vehicle first or that Ti was the Revelations Woman. Years into the groups forming, but before Ti left her vehicle Do sat us down in the only bible study we ever did in my 19 years with them and without Ti present at the meeting told us that the Revelations 12 Woman was depicting Ti and her task, though he gave us no indication then that she would be leaving soon. He only got through the first couple verses and did not do any word for word translation as I do here. This is not to say Ti and Do didn’t talk about Jesus frequently but never in a quoting of chapter and verse way. When someone is the real deal they don’t need to prove it and they don’t quote what they said in the vehicle they occupied 2000 years ago as their brain doesn’t have that programming in their new vehicle. Do, before he had awakened did attend seminary in New York but was quickly discouraged by what he said was all the limitations of study materials and interpretation he would have been restricted to.
And so Bo and Peep were subdued (overcome), as they felt and said “shot down by the press” through the mouthpiece of the “beast”, initially through the well known CBS network news anchor Walter Cronkite, under that prevailing unseen and unknown influence by the Luciferian space aliens who had infiltrated their mind into all our heads to program us to the norm of life as a human as all there is, except for what became largely illusionary beliefs about an afterlife in some etheric “heaven” on someone else’s effort (Jesus) alone making it attractive to anyone and everyone without the recognition of how each must conquer all their human limiting mammalian roots, behavior and ways AS HE (JESUS) CAME TO TEACH AND BE THE EXAMPLE OF TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT WE MUST ALSO DO TO REAP THE PROMISED REWARD OF BEING WITH HIM IN HIS HEAVENLY KINGDOM, though belief alone in the CURRENT REPRESENTATIVE INCARNATE is a first step, which belief in what Jesus and Moses taught preps us for.
The Luciferian mindset has become so pervasive, it seems obserd that such influences drive our governments, social, religious and spiritual systems. All who give allegience to this systemwide “beast” by their patriotism and loyalty and belief in (mark of the beast in one’s head) and all those who work for or on behalf of this “beast” have accepted their “mark” on their hand, as the hand represents what we WORK FOR and what we believe in and work for is our master and what we actually worship (what Do said really meant “work for” – give service to).
Ti said that even though Lucifer chose repeatedly to go against his “heavenly Father”, (in Ti and Do’s terminology his “Older Member”), “Lucifer is still loved by the Next Level”. I have deduced that Ti was Lucifers Older Member that born him into his partial employ in the Next Level, termed a “watcher”, an elementary type of service designed to give a student experience toward becoming a full fledged member of the Next Level that would include a great deal of further responsabilities according to each graduates desires to serve.
From “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew”, Do writes about that time when Walter Cronkite broke the news of having discovered their human identities as Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles:
“Ti and Do were in Las Vegas when the TV network news programs all broke the story about the two. Now because of the kind of publicity that had come out across the country, climaxed by the networks, Ti and Do felt that further meetings were pretty hopeless and people had already made up their minds about how ridiculous this all was.” He follows this writing, “they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead”.
Thus the “shooting down by the media” was the exposure of the names of the physical human vehicles they incarnated into that included the fact that Do had served time in jail for what was charged against him as a car theft because of a rental car Ti and Do kept longer than they had planned. Ti and Do said they sent letters to the rental car company explaining how they could not get back to St. Louis where they rented the car but did intend on paying them. Ti also had an arrest, as they were both arrested in Brownsville, Texas about a year before then. The story was that when they had realized that they were fulfilling the prophecy of the Two Witnesses they traveled back to Texas and went to the press telling them they had a “big story” for them. Being Brownsville on the Mexico border, the reporter who took their call figured the story would be a drug tip so he called the police. They showed up at the motel where Ti and Do were staying and Ti and Do who addmitted that they were already very paranoid tried to drive away but were surrounded by police cars and had a helicopter overhead with a megaphone informing them to give up. A year or so earlier while traveling they met with a woman who had believed in them and wanted to help them and who they had seen a number of times in their travels as they stayed in touch. This woman gave Ti her credit card to use. What Ti and Do didn’t know was that the husband of the woman, when he found out that she had given away her credit card reported it stolen. Ti spent a few weeks in jail and the husband dropped the charges and she was released. But even though the credit card company dropped the charges against Do, because of the strange circumstances surrounding Ti and Do’s story, the District attorney decided to prosecute the case anyway. Ti and Do told them who they thought they were. Finally, when it finally came to trial, six months had passed. Do was offerred a plea deal that would have reduced his sentence to 6 months so instead of risking a long drawn out trial, he took the deal and pled guilty and was released with time served. Ti during that time took a nursing job in Houston to earn enough money to pay the lawyer fees. She had been a nurse for premie babies in Houston when she met Do in 1972. At first the idea that he was now a convicted felon bothered them, thinking that they would have no credability. The funny thing Do reported was that to be released he had to pass a psychological exam which he did pass with flying colors even though he said not a day passed that he didn’t question his own sanity. The good thing about Do’s jail terms was that he wrote a paper called, “statement one” that Ti and Do then mailed out to anyone and everyone they thought might be interested which quickly brought them the invitation to speak to the meditation group in Los Angles that started their public meeting period and resulted in followers that they at first were not planning on and were uncomfortable with. They thought they would just tell their story and move on.
The next verse shows how the translation to “kill” steamroles.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies *1 ((ruin)) (shall lie)*2 in ((upon)) the street*3 ((wide, spread out plot, open square)) of the great ((large)) city (walled/boundried area)), which spiritually *4 ((non-physically)) is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
*1 dead body = 4430 ptoma pto’-mah
from the alternate of piptw – pipto 4098; a ruin, i.e. (specially), lifeless body (corpse, carrion):–dead body, carcase, corpse.
4098 pipto pip’-to,
peto pet’-o; (which occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses); probably akin to petomai – petomai 4072 through the idea of alighting; to fall (literally or figuratively):–fail, fall (down), light on.
*2 (shall lie) was completely added to complete the idea that their were dead bodies instead of their “ruin”
*3 street = 4113 plateia plat-i’-ah
feminine of platuV – platus 4116; a wide “plat” or “place”, i.e. open square:–street.
4116 platus plat-oos’
from plassw – plasso 4111; spread out “flat” (“plot”), i.e. broad:–wide.
4111 plasso plas’-so
a primary verb; to mould, i.e. shape or fabricate:–form.
*4 spiritually = 4153 pneumatikos pnyoo-mat-ik-oce’
adverb from pneumatikoV – pneumatikos 4152; non-physically, i.e. divinely, figuratively:–spiritually.
Because translators didn’t have the advantage of seeing this after the fact, and made choices to limit the translation to be easier for people to understand, rather than put in as many viable options as possible to let people decide for themselves, the prevailing interpretation of apokteino, that has very little data on was translated to “kill” in most every translation.
Following suite, they also translated the Greek “ptoma” to “dead bodies” when it less specifically means “a ruin”. Considering that Bo and Peep felt for a short time that their mission was ruined (subdued), this then makes a lot more sense though in some context when ptoma is directly referring to a fallen or ruined or dead body it seems appropriate to translate it to “corpse”.
But the translators did not stop there to form their story. Next they added “shall lie” to make sense with “dead body…in street” when “street”, being a “wide, spread out plate or plot was more kin to a public square where the Greek rhume* is used as a lane or alley so is closer to what we call a street today – I guess like “rue” or “route” in French.
*lane, alley or street = 4505 rhume hroo’-may
prolongation from roumai – rhoumai 4506 in its original sense; an alley or avenue (as crowded):–lane, street.
This usage is depicted in; “Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city” in:
Luk 14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
And “great city” is more accurately translated as a “big or high or mighty walled populated area”. The use of “great” isn’t used in prophecy causually. There is something special about this city and it’s apparant by the non-physical (spiritual) comparison to both Sodom and the large country Egypt to include Jerusalem in the middle east that this could easily be an area as big as …the United States. This area can’t be Sodom AND Egypt where the Lord was crucified because because it was stated it wasn’t physically these – it was a non-physical representation of these physical places. Thus it is indicating the new area Jesus talked about moving the Kingdom of God/Heaven to, the establishment of a “NEW Jerusalem” that has a NEW name that the U.S. and Los Angeles are quite the prospect of as according to Jesus:
Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
and
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
and
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Thus if…
The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation ((1484 ethnos= nation, people, tribe)) bringing forth the fruits thereof.
and…
“Ye [Jerusalem] shall NOT SEE ME henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
and…
…the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven…
But if the Two Witnesses are not going to show up in Jerusalem or Egypt or Sodom, but some other physical geographic area of the world, how come so many Christian teachers still think Israel and Jerusalem are where Jesus returns to? The Luciferian space aliens in discarnate form go to anyone teaching these things and masquerade as Jesus. These spirits have more power as they once accumulated Next Level Mind – knowlege as power. They know that human vehicles are easily steered in most any direction by simply appealing to them in some way that they gain popularity among other humans for. And once they become popular they are caught and they can feed them ideas as to interpretations galore and/or even stimulate them to look like fools making false prophecies even in areas these humans know from scripture they “can’t know”. How many preachers have predicted Jesus return on such and such a day when Jesus clearly said even he did not know the exact hour (40 year period). This serves the Luciferians (they think) as when sensible people who see these forcasts then see them not come to pass, they then often think all these false teachers teach is balony and they become agnostics or atheists. However, from the Next Level’s perspective this is all permitted because it shows what someone is made of if they so easily turn away from the records of their teachings.
Of course something not yet spoken of is the contraversy of whether or not the Two Witnesses are incarnations, though even when I use that word incarnate I am often disqualified from having any value to what I say and of course NO ONE has to date that I have found (and I have my feelers out into many places) even suggested that these Two could be both Father and Jesus even though Rev 3:12 says “[Jesus will] write upon him [overcomer] the name of my God” when Jesus clearly spoke of his Father as his God as the term God is a general term to describe a supreme being not a mindset like has been morphed into in Buddhism and Hinduism. If a NEW NAME is being given what’s the need for that if HE is not incarnate to need a name. Even Jehovah gave Moses a name when Moses asked for one and actually Jehovah did demonstrate his physicality (shoulder) to Moses once when he asked to see Him.
There is so much evidence that says, the return of Jesus is a physical one where he is incarnate (“son of man” is a reference to “offspring of human” – that’s born of flesh, the way Moses said the next Representative would come the way they always come to work with their prize “plants”, just like him.
But the Luciferians have so influenced Christians to miss all these and the myrid of signs because they are who were most prepared for Jesus return. And that was done that way for a reason as the Kingdom of God/Heaven are only offerring seats on their crafts to a few…”many are called and few are chosen” so all this delusion serves to seperate the ones who have the most live seed from the Kingdom of God/Heaven still in them from those who don’t and/or don’t want to recognize it as it represents too much change of their comfort level which is perfectly understandable as we each get what we want whether it is an illusion or not.
4) (a) When did the three and a half days pass where the people of the earth were celebrating over their deaths? (b) How is it that their dead bodies were not put into graves? (c) Can you give examples of the celebration and how people felt tormented, and (d) how it ended as the people of the earth were struck with fear when God resurrected the two witnesses?
a) when did the three and a half days pass?
Even though I will assign time periods to the stages in Ti and Do’s awakening, prophecy and overcoming classroom periods as the evidence suggests, these time frames have some built in flexability. With that said, “they of people and kindreds and tongues and nations see their ruin/failure/fall” from October 18, 1976 when Walter Cronkite reveals their human identities that continues a flurry of articles in probably every newspaper and news magazine in the U.S., to include Newsweek on October 20, 1975, Time and Psychology Today for several issues, the New York Times magazine with the cover page article entitled, “Looking for: The Next World”, By JAMES S. PHELAN printed on Feb. 29, 1976, followed by a number of books emerging by 1979 like famous explorer, Jacques Vallee’s entitled, “Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults”, published by Ronin, that has a section about Bo and Peep, the UFO Two aka UFO Cult as they were called and one of the later to publish, a grade B movie called “The Mysterious Two” with popular actor John Forsyth playing Bo (Do), released on May 31, 1982 that was about Bo and Peep, calling them by some early names they used, “He and She”. The movie as filled with anything but what really happened. In the movie Bo and Peep are dressed in long white robes, typical religio-spiritual garb, while they really did dress in the equivilent of “sackcloth” as depicted in Rev 11:3, the burlap bags that held wheat berries that the poor used to make clothing with, as opposed to what the religious leaders and governmental leader wore that portrays their stature in the human kingdom that means nothing to the Next Level and is even seen as deceitful as it lures someone to look up to. They wore ordinary plain clothing, windbreakers and causual slacks. They both had short haircuts, almost like a butch cut, but slightly over the ears. They wore no jewelry nor makeup (except Ti felt to blend into the way woman looked so she used a slight hint of eyeliner. Her vehicle had large eyes so the eyeliner also subdued their appearance some. In accordance when they gave a meeting, the didn’t prance around the stage or yell or cry or shout in cadence or do anything more than speak clearly unlike, many evangelicals and preachers that seem to be putting on a show.
So the answer I would give would be 1980-82, seven years after they left their world beind in Houston and Corpus Christi, Texas on January 1, 1973 which is approximately 3 1/2 years after they completed their 1260 days of prophecy, like I’ve detailed before as at the end of the public meetings by mid June 1976 and when they and their under 100 students also left “wilderness” living in tents, and towards the end of this period in trailers, in campgrounds and National Forest and BLM areas and moved into houses in suburban areas of Colorado and Texas. I think it fair to say they never fully left the view of some of the public as there were parents and siblings and spouses of some of the student body always looking for their loves ones and relatives. One of the parents even started a network to try to compare notes to learn where the group was at any given time. Some parents didn’t know if their loved ones were even alive as there were all sorts of rumors abounding, even though we received instruction from Bo and Peep to write to those that might have anxiety about our whereabouts and safety. My vehicle’s mother was one who wondered if I was alive even though I wrote and she received a very lengthy letter telling her about what I was doing and before that I had lived on the other side of the country for 5 years by that time so they were perfectly aware of my adventurous spirit. Every once in a while we would find an article about a dropout from the group who would be contacted by this network and/or investigators that would make it to the press.
ABOUT THE JIM JONES PEOPLE’S TEMPLE MURDERS/FORCED SUICIDES – A LUCIFERIAN FACSIMILI MANY HUMANS HAVE ACCEPTED AS THE SAME AS THE HEAVEN’S GATE GROUP’S “LAYING DOWN” OF THEIR HUMAN LIVES/BODIES WITH THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO AS JESUS HAD WHEN HE LAYED DOWN HIS BODY FOR HIS SHEEP ON HIS FATHER’S INSTRUCTION, TO PLEASE HIM:
Incidentally, the movie The Mysterious Two even depicted a mass suicide of the followers that looked like the mass murder of 918 people stimulated by Jim Jones on November 18, 1978 that did not bear any resembelance to Bo and Peep’s group then nor when they layed down their lives. There are many accounts and tapes and evidence of manipulation galore with threats if they didn’t drink the koolaid, having a gun pointed at them, yelling at them to drink it and OURRIGHT MURDERS and CHILDREN in the Jim Jones case. Jim Jones knew his days were counted by then as he ordered the murders of Senator Ryan a day before the mass murder/suicides. Also the people had been prepped to think drinking the koolaid was a drill like he had done a number of times before in preparation for this moment when they would be interferred with. Plus there were all sorts of reports of very grave abuses of power from Jim Jones and his leadership which is why the Senator went to Guyana to investigate. It was said Jones presided over disciplining children, at least on one occasion by tying a rope to a childs feet and hanging them upside down in a deep, dark water well. Thus I say it was a Luciferian facsimili to lump them into the same mindset of fearing anything remotely different than status quo religion and spirituality. The Luciferians were trying to steal world attention, which they had done many times as they anticipated the Next Level’s next coming incarnate.
Now scripturally speaking, here is how it plays out:
The “three days and a half” is referred to in verse:
Rev 11:9 And they of (the) people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their (dead) bodies*1 ((4430 ptoma=ruin, fail, fall (down))) three days ((2250 hemera= to sit, tame, time between dawn and dark, 24 hours, period, years)) and an half*2 ((semi, partition involved in connection)), and shall not suffer their (dead) bodies ((4430 ptoma=ruin, fail, fall (down))) (to be) put in ((to)) graves*3 ((bear in mind, continue, endure, be rewarded, be mindful of, rememberence)).
*1 It was Ti and Do’s physical bodies that had their reputation’s ruined thus this language fits what took place.
*2 half = 2255 hemisu hay’-mee-soo
neuter of a derivative from an inseparable prefix akin to ama – hama 260 (through the idea of partition involved in connection) and meaning semi-; (as noun) half:–half.
*3 to grave = 3418 mnema mnay’-mah
from mnaomai – mnaomai 3415; a memorial, i.e. sepulchral monument (burial-place):–grave, sepulchre, tomb.
3415 mnaomai mnah’-om-ahee
middle voice of a derivative of menw – meno 3306 or perhaps of the base of massaomai – massaomai 3145 (through the idea of fixture in the mind or of mental grasp); to bear in mind, i.e. recollect; by implication, to reward or punish:–be mindful, remember, come (have) in remembrance. Compare mimnhskw – mimnesko 3403.
3306 meno men’-o
a primary verb; to stay (in a given place, state, relation or expectancy):–abide, continue, dwell, endure, be present, remain, stand, tarry (for), X thine own.
As seen in Rev 11:9 above, the first mention of a time period in which the public is observing their ruin is “three days ((period of time or from 12-24 hrs long or as a year)) and half((semi))”. At first interpretation this seemed to refer to the time in which Ti and Do were feeling defeated but that was only referred to by Do as “days” so I thought it was meant to be general and actually that seems to be true and especially with the “half/semi” at the end of the phrase, because it’s kind of inconsistant with Kingdom of God/Heaven depictions of time frames to be talking in terms of human hours that a half of a day would depict. Here is one place where “half” is used to depict time and it’s talking about “silence in heaven” so it would be a heavenly “half hour” or about 20 years by the 1000 yrs. human to 1 day method Jesus disciple Peter wrote about:
Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
The only other places in the New Testament that use the “half” terminology are:
Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
However, there may be some relationship to when this time period ends to the verse:
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Besides these, Ti and Do indicated in their interview with popular science fiction writer Brad Steiger, co-writer of “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” about them, on January 7, 1976 that, “It is characteristic of the members of the next kingdom to be able to heal their bodies in three and a half days. The fact that we might have to do that demonstration did not come to our minds after reading Jesus’ life. What you don’t realize yet is the reality of the mental communication that we have.”
Plus it is to be noted that 1260 days in Hebrew counting of 360 days for a year is 3 1/2 years, yet nowhere is 3 1/2 years recorded but there are various examples where it seems there are day to a year representations of time frames:
Numbers 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye spied out the land, even forty days, for every day a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my alienation.
Ezekiel 4:6 And again, when thou hast accomplished these, thou shalt lie on thy right side, and shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah: forty days, each day for a year, have I appointed it unto thee.
Note: if you study these numbers you will find a myrid of number associations and patterns, many of which I find interesting but too complicated for my brain and energy. However, I do believe 100% that the Older Member’s crew employed to lay out the strategies for garden/soul development have a plan and they seem to associate the teachings they give with the number of new members they are seeking to harvest from their garden, which is according to grades in their overcoming of humanness school. And these numbers then become the foundation for time references so humans can see the patterns and they also have a repetitive nature to them, cycles so that we can see their application over the history of the garden experiment. 3 1/2 is just one such pattern that is of course half of the greater pattern of 7 pertaining to the 7 Candlesticks which are the seven oldest students the Two are grooming to carry on future gardening projects. However, with that said, we can get so entwined in the numbers that we miss the purpose of them, to help us see the way it’s all been planned to help us recognize the truth. If we only look at all the number associations we miss all the consistancies in behavior and ways that are a larger part of the plan for potential new fruit but of course is more challenging to consider as we then have to face whether or not we are willing to change, though it’s always provided with helps and administered in a gradual and gentle manner by the Older Members and their crews as They know we are more or less babies.
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b) How is it that their dead bodies were not put into graves?
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At this point they hadn’t physically “died” yet because “dead bodies” was a mistranslation when it should have simply been “ruined/fallen” or “ruined/fallen (bodies)” and then “graves” indicating that there was no “bearing in mind, continuence, endurance, rewarding, mindfullness of, rememberence of what they had to say”, only that they were Mind controlling charlatans who thought they were taking people to space on a UFO that were tied into new age devil thinking so were not to be paid any mind to.
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c) Can you give examples of the celebration and how people felt tormented?
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First off, there was no “celebration”. This is the impression given by the translations of how the people “rejoice and make merry and send gifts” but those translations are far afield as is detailed below. However, here are a few examples of how people were “glad or happy” by the news that cleared up the mystery:
From UFO Missionaries Extraordinary:
Max Pavesic says on page 30: “I feel relieved knowing who they are and having the mystery cleared up”.
Regarding how these Two’s presence tormented people – in this case someone who joined for a brief time obviously proving that they didn’t have quite the “hold” on people that some claimed:
On page 32, “Ms Simross also quoted a Houston housewife as saying ‘I would do anything in my power to keep anyone else from going through what I have. It is obvious that these people are on an ego trip. They have set themselves out to be something important. There is a danger of suicide for the followers. They are suicidal anyway, having already killed off their lives as they have known them. When I was involved with them I thought about suicide many times myself.”
(Note: That is a strange report as Bo and Peep at that time were clearly saying that only they would HAVE TO die as prophesied in the Rev 11 Two Witnesses account. They said we would be physically picked up by a Next Level spacecraft when we had completed our metamorphosis. As I traveled around spreading their message, I told a number of people I would not die even though a part of me thought I would and even wanted to be a martyr. Ti and Do later told us this was not a martyr trip, though many of us felt we might get bumped off by those who hated what we were saying, (possibly a genetic and soul body rememberence of past experiences). As it turned out, the death they said we would not experience was the death of our souls. The Soul is what Jesus said was to be born by falling down into the ground in His example of a seed having to fall to the ground to be able to sprout a new shoot. It’s the physical body that must die to produce fruit because having been willing to spread what Jesus said would be met by the same kind of hatred Jesus received, which he said his disciples would also receive. Jesus even layed down his life and said that “no man takes it from me”. He also said he was laying down his life for his Father because his Father asked him to, for the sake of Their sheep the student body. Jesus said that his disciples would have to drink the same cup (of his blood) as he was choosing to drink, a reference to allowing his body’s life to be taken. All humans die and should strive to live as long as possible to learn all the lessons they can, but when some recognize the return of their Older Member incarnate, then they know if the life of their body is required of them to give then they are willing to give it in whatever way their Older Member get’s instruction from their Older Member to “exit” their incarnation. But there was no talk in the classroom about “taking it upon ourselves to exit the task – lay down our human bodies” until September of 1994 after we completed nine months of the “second wave” of looking for lost sheep, after 17 years of not looking or accepting any new members, another of the many unique characteristics to Ti and Do’s task leadership. No children was another.)
The verse to which these questions apply:
Rev 11:10 And (they that) dwell*1 ((inhabit)) upon (the) earth*2 ((country, region)) (shall) rejoice*3 ((cheer, happy, glad (to say farewell))) over ((1909 epi= about, after)) them ((846 autos= these things)), and (make) merry*4 ((put in a good frame of mind)), and ((2532 kai= when)) (shall) send*5 ((dispatch, transmit, bestow)) gifts*6 ((presented, given, offerred, bestowed)) (one to) another ((240 allelon= each other)); because ((3754 hoti= concerning)) these two prophets ((4396 prophetes= fortellers’, inspired speakers)) tormented*7 ((pain, toil)) (them that) dwelt on (the) earth*2 ((country, region)).
Rewritten to:
Rev 11:10 And they that inhabit the country shall cheer and be glad to say farewell about them/these things and are put in a good frame of mind when dispatch (media) transmissions are presented, given, offerred to each other concerning these two prophetically inspired speaker cause pain and toil on those that inhabit the country.
*1 dwell = 2730 katoikeo kat-oy-keh’-o
from kata – kata 2596 and oikew – oikeo 3611; to house permanently, i.e. reside (literally or figuratively):–dwell(-er), inhabitant(-ter).
*2 earth = 1093 ge ghay
contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):–country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.
*3 rejoice = 5463 chairo khah’-ee-ro
a primary verb; to be “cheer”ful, i.e. calmly happy or well-off; impersonally, especially as salutation (on meeting or parting), be well:–farewell, be glad, God speed, greeting, hall, joy(- fully), rejoice.
*4 merry = 2165 euphraino yoo-frah’-ee-no
from eu – eu 2095 and frhn – phren 5424; to put (middle voice or passively, be) in a good frame of mind, i.e. rejoice:–fare, make glad, be (make) merry, rejoice.
*5 send = 3992 pempo pem’-po
apparently a primary verb; to dispatch (from the subjective view or point of departure, whereas hiemi (as a stronger form of eimi) refers rather to the objective point or terminus ad quem, and stellw – stello 4724 denotes properly, the orderly motion involved), especially on a temporary errand; also to transmit, bestow, or wield:–send, thrust in.
4724 stello stel’-lo
probably strengthened from the base of isthmi – histemi 2476; properly, to set fast (“stall”), i.e. (figuratively) to repress (reflexively, abstain from associating with):–avoid, withdraw self.
*6 gift = 1435 doron do’-ron a present; specially, a sacrifice:–gift, offering.
1431 dorea do-reh-ah’ from dwron – doron 1435; a gratuity:–gift.
1432 dorean do-reh-an’ accusative case of dwrea – dorea 1431 as adverb; gratuitously (literally or figuratively):–without a cause, freely, for naught, in vain.
1433 doreomai do-reh’-om-ahee middle voice from dwron – doron 1435; to bestow gratuitously:–give.
1434 dorema do’-ray-mah from dwreomai – doreomai 1433; a bestowment:–gift.
*7 tormented = 928 basanizo bas-an-id’-zo
from basanoV – basanos 931; to torture:–pain, toil, torment, toss, vex.
931 basanos bas’-an-os
perhaps remotely from the same as basiV – basis 939 (through the notion of going to the bottom); a touch-stone, i.e. (by analogy) torture:–torment.
939 basis bas’-ece
from baino (to walk); a pace (“base”), i.e. (by implication) the foot:–foot.
Yes, there was a great deal of relief when Walter Cronkite made that annoucement of the names Marshall Herff Applewhite and Bonnie Lu Truesdale Nettles as the “mysterious two”. One can only imagine how disturbed many were at the ideas these Two presented and the fact that dozens of what ended up being people from various ages and lifestyles were leaving all behind to join them for this bizarre trip to what…? Many feared they were being kidnapped. Others feared they were entrapped like the Manson followers. Many thought their was fowl play and they would be found dead. Not knowing their names left it all up in the air as to how to find and apprehend them to learn what their gimic was. Some claimed they exercised powerful mind control over people. Some claimed they appeared and disappeared, (which Ti and Do later said was funny as they were not aware of anything supernatural to their actions. However, they would not necessarily know if their Next Level helpers did something at times to impress someone. That’s just something I wondered when I read what for instance Hayden Hewes said about how they just seemed to appear and dissappear when they came to visit him in ihis Oklahoma City office).
Again, here is one example of the kind of fear one early follower had in their regard as she didn’t really follow with them and organized a group to work against them, so one can easily surmise her celebration when the mystery was solved:
From the book, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary”, by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger, published by Pocket Books, June 1976, it states;
“Mrs. Culpepper emphasized that in her opinion Bo and Peep were dangerous. They were not run of the mill con artists. ‘They have tremendous mental power. It is not hypnosis. It is thought transplant. They can do it in a matter of minutes.'”
“Sheriff’s departments and other police officals admitted that they didn’t know what kind of affair they might be dealing with. They didn’t know whether the whole thing was a fraud or whether the people who had disappeared might have been killed. Rumors were flying. Some suggested their was human sacrifice and that this was but another elaborate plot that had been sponsored by the Charles Manson family. The mystery was spreading: commentators were speculating: the man on the street was disturbed.”
“…a man and a woman allegedly from outer space luring troubled Earthlings to the desert, to the mountains, to the forest to meet with a UFO and be transported to another world.”
“It seemed like the ultimate escapists dream. Things are lousy on Earth – let’s hope the Space Brothers come along and blast us off this rotting mudball!”
A woman who said her son had joined shows police a postcard she received that said, “I am leaving this earth and will not see you anymore”.
(Note: Ti and Do would certainly not have approved such a note – they were never inconsiderate of others and I saw that over 19 years with them and they talked about some of these stories.)
“…media coverage was getting a bit hairy. It spoke of a middle-aged couple with “hollow-looking eyes” whose offers of a trip to eternity on a UFO were definitely sinister one-way rides.”
“It was said that “The Two,” as they were now beginning to be called, had persuaded their followers that the way to attain the higher life they sought was through fasting. A concerned relative of one of the missing people said, “They might just all starve to death”.
(Note: 12 Years later we did do some fasting but in between those times we always had plenty to eat. In the first couple months though while there was no central organization and there were people of varied interest joining, people did what they wanted. I remember when Ti and Do learned that some were visiting dumpsters behind donut shops (which I admit I participated in doing a time or two, as they threw out all the day old donuts still in their boxes so they looked perfectly good to eat), they were outraged and said they would not have approved of doing that).
“a West Allis, Wisconsin woman told authorities that she feared for the life of her nineteen-year-old chronically ill daughter, who, she believed, had become involved in the bizarre religious cult that promised life after death through bodily ascension into heaven by means of a UFO….”I am really afraid for her life, I really am”.
(Note: Ti and Do never spoke in terms such as “bodily ascension” that I heard or read in their writings though they did say then that prospective candidates wouldn’t have to die to go to the Next Kingdom as was taught by most Christians then. And they did feel that people would be picked up by a spacecraft. UFO was not their terminology as it was too sensationalist sounding, but students designed posters to advertise meetings and used them without checking first with them so UFO became a type of signature that they then followed along with.)
A woman wrote in a letter that she “would have to end all communication with her family–on orders of the couple”.
(Note: This was part of the program to seperate from one’s past entirely, though after tieing up loose ends and trying not to leave a mess which would have included not leaving someone too distressed. However, there is only so much one can do to keep another from being distressed when one wants to do something others see as foolish or naive or stupid, all of which were common ways those left behind saw their choices to follow with these Two. As Jesus said to the man who didn’t want to leave his Father unti his father died, “let the dead bury the dead”. That would have seemed pretty harsh, yet direct and real to the task Jesus had. It was clear that Jesus disciples left all behind to follow him. Jesus even talked about how one’s enemies would be those in one’s own household. Jesus wasn’t murdered because he was loved. Few loved him. He said he didn’t come to bring peace but a sword, one from his mouth that by his instruction would cause followers to sever their ties (roots) to their families to include children and possessions, parents, etc. We were to have peace in the way we interacted with one another but not if they sought to keep us from giving our full allegience to the Kingdom of God/Heaven. Then they represent the voice of our advasary (satan) though it’s not their fault so they are not condemned if they don’t know better but we would have to come to “hate” anything that would try to dissuade us from following with our Older Members when they put out the call (trumpet).)
“…they scared us into a lot of things by emphasizing that if we ‘understand’ and decide to leave, we’ll never be allowed another chance.”
(note: This does not sound like Ti and Do at all. It was not part of their vocabulary to give people ultimatums. In fact they talked some out of joining and over they years sent many away from the group that had wanted to be in the group because they didn’t think they were prepared to do what it would take. 19 were sent away in October of 1976 yet several of these found their way back to the group some 7 or so years later, proving they did have what it took, which Ti and Do were very happy to receive them back again.)
“As if people didn’t have enough to worry about in connection with the mysterious cult, stories in the press began to link them to the mysterious cattle mutilations that had been plaguing farmers for the previous several months. A story datelined Fox Lake, Illinois, October 15, said the police had found two cattle slaughtered and mutilated at about the same time that the fifty-plus member cult of UFO people had camped nearby.”
(Note: If one studies these rashes of cattle mutilations during that time period one will find they are extraordinarily strange for their lack of blood, no tracks, percision laser like surgeon cuts that just removed reproductive organs and eyes, etc. I know for a fact none of us were engaged in anything of the sort. We were busy organizing meetings and finding help from churches with our expenses as Ti and Do instructed us to “test” the churches because we were working for our Heavenly Father. We were instructed to ask for our needs and that we were willing to work for the help but that our primary task right now was sharing new information about the Kingdom of God/Heaven. Then if we were asked for more info about what the new info was, we’d share it. If we were not asked, we’d go about our way whether they helped us or not. When I first did this I was not liking to do so and never actually did, but I did believe in what I was doing so it was far more important to share the truth with someone that asked than to receive the food or gasoline they might not give when they would hear we were disciples of these Two.)
There are many examples that should show without a doubt that upon revealing their names at least the public would have ceased to fear them because without names and identities one’s imagination can run wild with fear of the unknown. However, those who had loved ones in the group still had that fear, but not all. Some parents and siblings and spouses knew their loved ones were not someone easily led and they were adults so could choose what they wanted. Some even supported others joining feeling that they simply didn’t feel ready which Ti and Do even told some, unheard of for “cult” leaders. And don’t forget Jesus was not any less seen as a “cult” leader in his day. The reason he was captured and murdered for no crime but a so called religious crime of blasphemy, was, yes, because he stimulated hatreds by telling the truth about who he was and represented and was bringing updates from, but from the perspective of the Luciferian driven high priests of the Jewish sects, he endangered their hold on their constituency as was clearly stated. They feared they’d lose their followers and thus their lofty, cushy status and lifestyles, fooled into thinking their congregations were their flock to tend and protect, which of course was true, but not as the Next Level saw it that Jesus clearly deliniated. Instead their followers were being protected from the One True God they thought they represented. The same is true today. Ti and Do said that all the players from 2000 years ago are back, as Jesus said, some to eternal life (Membership in the Kingdom of God/Heaven or saved for the next experiment towards that Membership) and some to eternal damnation (having spirit/soul and body recycled), by their own choices of who to give allegience to, the Next Level Older Members last incarnate (God/Father and God/Son (as every member of the Kingdom of God/Heaven is as Jesus said compared to a human a “god”, “greater than the greatest human”)).
A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON THE RESURRECTION AND THE LUCIFERIAN REBELLION
Like Jesus said, they would all be back at the time of his return – the resurrection of the just AND the unjust. Resurrection means to “stand up again” – a literal standing upon one’s human legs which could only happen in two ways. 1) Genetically, as leaves off a human tree, each leaf during the course of life feeds all it’s experiences to the branch, that with each new season and generation of leaves brings forth the same mindset those leaves had when they died as once dead no changes are possible to the branch. 2) For those who were actually given “seeds”, what Ti and Do called “deposits”, literally “souls” as a human body has it’s own “spirit/mind” that grows with the physical body, starting off with it’s genetic propensities (what the last leaves accumulated). Such a human without a soul deposit is a mortal as they have far less potential to relate to the new incarnate Older Member from the Next Level and so they are also not expected by the Next Level to make the same choices. But for those who are given that soul seed deposit, more is expected as more has been given (as Jesus spoke to). So if they reject the new incarnate Older Member among them, they become aligned with the Luciferians.
Remember the Luciferians are not pitch forked, fire breathing, evil looking. They are literally souls who received their deposit while in a human or human equivilent physical body, even before the current civilization and/or actually on a different planet entirely, but where they had equivilent to human kingdom experiences in overcoming. And they were in a Next Level Overcoming program with an incarnate Older Member to such a degree that when their human or human equivilent body died, their Soul was “saved” and in some cases given another physical body they could use to learn additional lessons in preparation for their next trimester towards a “soul (translated to spirit in the gospels) birth”. A birth into an eternal Next Level made vehicle(body) is generally accomplished over three trimesters. The first trimester was the Jehovah/Moses experience, the second the Father/Jesus experience and the third the same Older Members as the Two Witnesses/martyrs experience. (Witness is from the Greek “martus” because part of the program is to GIVE ONES LIFE in every way). Thus if a Soul graduated a trimester and the Next Level determined that they could be given a new body to use in Their service in an elementary task to show the Next Level Older Members what lessons they still needed to learn, they would become “watchers” (what Enoch talked about) – assigned a spacecraft and instruction on who, what, when and where to watch (observe) and report their observations. This is an elementary task because if they don’t stray from it, they can’t do any harm to those they are assigned to observe. But the physical bodies these are issued are still capable of human behavior and ways that they have not yet fully overcome/conquered as one hasn’t overcome until the incarnate Older Member during the third trimester deems they have overcome. It’s a literal training program as the Next Level do not need new members so the members they select will be the cream of the crop as determined by each upcoming souls efforts to abide in the current incarnate Older Member’s program that is consistant with all previous incarnations of those Older Members. So as the story goes in Genesis 6, these “sons of God” being humans deposited with souls seeds that were still in process but did show promise, found the mortal human women fair and chose to cohabitate with some which resulted in children as these “sons” sought to reject their instructions from their Older Member to have their own way and the name that was their ringleader at the time was “Lucifer” – “angel of light”, a very refined Soul that chose a path that isolated him from the Next Level, so he and those that sided with him became prisoners on Earth as the Next Level weren’t going to allow them to have any further access to Next Level areas of the “heavens” – the cloaked to human local habitation for the crews of the Next Level working the garden experiment. Then because of the choices of these who “fell” and were thereby “cast” – restricted to Earth, the Next Level decided to use them by subjecting young Souls to their influence as a testing ground for upcoming members, hence the Adam/Eve experiment beginning. They flunked the test which began the current civilization as they had to learn for themselves the value of the benefits to Next Level membership.
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(d) how it ended as the people of the earth were struck with fear when God resurrected the two witnesses?
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Their “standing up again” (resurrection) occurs as it says AFTER they are subdued/ruined, what they felt was “shot down by the press” and that ruin was observed by the public til at least May 31st 1982 with the coming out of the movie, The Mysterious Two. By the way, that couldn’t have been a worse misrepresentation of anything Ti and Do were about. Note how the English word “resurrection” came to represent “rising from the dead”, which it does mean indirectly. Humans are all dead until the Next Level gives them a piece of their mind as a soul deposit (seed) because with it and subsequent experiences with incarnate Older Member(s) they will die and never know the further opportunity to “stand again”. So Resurrection has two parrallel meanings:
1) To stand up again, which has to do with having one’s Soul body brought back by the Next Level, which is completely bibical. Jesus said he had lived before the world began, where World can be referring to the current civilization or the entire planet. Jesus said that John the Baptist was the one spoken of as the “messenger sent before His face” named Elias before he was John the Baptist. Jesus told his disciples they would see him again when he came back in the new age. Jesus was coming back as a “son of man” (offspring human). This is NOT reincarnation though this is where the entire idea of reincarnation came from and was like everything distorted. Each human has only one spirit and potentially one soul if that human is deposited with a soul. When that human dies, that spirit and/or soul either merges into the spirit world or is met by Next Level workers who take that soul to “abrahams bosum” or aka “paradise”, technically in a part of the heavens but not an adult member of the Kingdom of Gods in the literal heavens as it generally takes severel experiences taking over a prepared human vehicle to overcome all one’s human behaviors and ways as required to become a full fledged adult in the Next Level.
This standing up has to do with taking over (conquering all it’s human behaviors and ways) a new human vehicle assigned for you to take over by your Older Member with your participation in the choice.
2) It means “standing up for one’s master”, between an Older Member (God) who was last incarnate or for what Jesus called in English, Mammon from mammonous in the Greek related to “treasure” but basically entails the entire human kingdom, so it’s what you make your treasure. Even Kingdom of God/Heaven stimulated behaviors and ways among humans eventually become at best stepping stones to get one to a relationship with an incarnate Older Member. Once bonding/grafting to that Older Member one can not still give any time and energy to anything else, even if it was “loving ones’ neighbor as oneself”, say by being a humanitarian as at such a time one must give All their heart, All their Mind, All their Soul and All theri strenght to that incarnate Older Member. Without the Older Member incarnate it’s impossible to realistically give one’s All to that one person as one would not have a totally real example and teacher to show us what giving our all actually is. Ti and Do always said, if they didn’t need to come incarnate, they certainly would have took care of the classroom from the comfort of their spacecraft and if they let you see that spacecraft we’d be motivated by that proof as opposed to motivated by “faith” which is a choice to build or not and building only takes place by experience with the incarnate Older Member.
This standing up means giving service to one’s Older Member using one’s assigned human vehicle which is engaged when the Older Member gives insruction to share the information they brought, or to do any task they ask of you. This is where the expression comes from, to “stand up for” someone or something.
In accomplishing either of these one has “risen from the dead” as humans who don’t do this are destined to death and eventually the “second death”, the dissolving of the already dead to Next Level mind/spirit and/or soul in the “lake of fire”.
Note: on the word “accomplishing”, some Christians have been taught it’s a naughy word because they think Jesus did it all for us and if we therefore try to accomplish anything we are not accepting his gift of dying for our sins. This is a huge twist by the Luciferians but is rooted in truth as so many things the Luciferians have us twist. We adide in Their love if we ONLY try to accomplish the our Older Members give us to accomplish. We can become ascetics or monks/nuns and do nothing but pray or meditate all day, fast often, live by all the rules, help the poor, help cure the sick, give ourselves to others 24/7 and yet when the Older Member comes incarnate, if we are not willing to put all those things aside to go with and be with that Older Member, we miss out. Ti instructed us to make our committments to Do before she left. She said he was uncomfortable asking for our committment to him even though he knew we needed to give it to him just as he needed to give his committment to Ti. Ti never told Do, she was his Older Member. He learned it in the first year or so with Ti day and night and he said he gave Ti a real hard time coming to recognize who she was.
Thus if they want us to eat ice cream all day and we do it we are abiding in their love during that time we are following their instruction. They probably wouldn’t give us stupid things to do but they will give us fun things to do. They are not against fun. They simply want us to want to do only the things they consider fun. Ti and Do said, “the Lord wants you to have nice things. He just doesn’t want you to want them”. So this is why our Older Members give us commandments and instructions, behaviors and ways as it is by taking all these to heart that we draw their “Holy Mind” into us and then we are abiding in them and they are abiding in us. When we draw ONLY their mind, we are then like little children trusting them 100% and they will never abuse that. They actually only want that committment so they can trust us with the keys to the kingdom where upon entrance we are provided a myrid of departments to work in as nothing is automatic that was not once designed to be automatic and everything can possibly be improved upon and even though the Older Members can do many tasks themselves, they don’t want to. They would rather let the younger members do them so they can grow to become Older Members and even bear younger members into the Next Level.
Scriptures about resurrection:
Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise* from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Mar 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
*rise = 450 anistemi an-is’-tay-mee
from ana – ana 303 and isthmi – histemi 2476; to stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive):–arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection* they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
*resurrection = 386 anastasis an-as’-tas-is
from anisthmi – anistemi 450; a standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):–raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again
With this said, the way in which Ti and Do and by the way, their student body, who are with them throughout these times as it is for them that they came and were incarnate and dealing with the Luciferians, etc. “stand up again” is by gradually building to the “second wave” of face to face sharing of Ti and Do’s information/Mind with the public.
Before the face to face public meetings again, Do took us through many projects as he wasn’t sure Ti wanted us to go public again and Ti wasn’t in her vehicle to ask, so he would ask her privately with his mind. The way they communicated was seldom with a clear answer. It is not like a channeler or a psychic or like a contactee or by some type of automatic writing and we didn’t use tarot cards or weegee boards or any other spiritual paraphenelia. Nor was it through dreams though dreams were considered lesson times to prepare one for the next day’s lessons though we only shared dreams with one another if Ti and Do instigated our doing so and it was seldom and we never tried to interpret them. Occasionally Ti and Do would share one of their dreams and we’d wonder what it meant. The communication came as a thought and they would have to “pull” on that thought to understand all it represented. Sometimes this would take days, weeks, months and years to understand. Pulling was not only mental but trying things. It might be a thought that we needed to move that they later learned was due to a private investigator hired by an x-family member to find someone. To honor such a thought, they would try to seek where they might want to move to. That would take them to the idea of a town or direction. So they’d drive off in that direction to check out how it felt when they got there. Sometimes they later learned they needed to leave so we the student body could deal with our advasaries without Ti and Do’s more powerful minds around to ward them off for us, something we didn’t even know they were often doing which is kin to Jesus running off evil spirits.
With this in mind, after Ti had exited her incarnation, Do began to feel there was still more we could do publically. So Do had us follow though on a book Ti started us on called the Transfiguration Diet, by Littlegreen, Inc. Think Tank. He also said we had to be who were were, referring to the identity of being the return of the One called Jesus and his disciples. He was not saying he was Jesus as Jesus was the body He now as Do took then. That’s what he was saying. Then he also started a video group who would go to UFO conventions and symposiums to do interviews with leading researchers. Then he began writing the book entitled, “’88 Update – The “UFO TWO” and their Crew” that was designed to set the records straight from what was wrongly stated in the press about He and Ti’s efforts in the 70’s. Then he had us start video projects with classmembers doing the talking. June and Sawyer were chosen and there was even a consideration of sending them out to talk to the public again. But then Do felt instruction from Ti, who was outside her vehicle that said he needed to do the videos and that became the 12 hour “Beyond Human – The Last Call” series. When we started this series our numbers were down to 25 students if I recall right. I remember this because when we began to consider various public projects, they also included writing projects and a few of us gravitate to studying scripture, something we didn’t do hardly at all before then. That’s when I came upon the talk of the 24 elders in Revelations and thought that must be those remaining but we never talked about it as it was unimportant. And then there was the 1/3 of a page advertisement in USA Today, national and international addition followed by similar ads in new age newspapers all over the U.S., Canada and in Australia, New Zealand, and England. And we did some correspondence with people from all these places and with people in prisons and we’d send them a Beyond Human tape. However, in doing all this it seemed we all wanted to go out face to face again.
So Do obliged us. On 1/1/1994 we officially “stood upon our feet” to do another 9 month round of public meetings. I can’t actually recall any alarm or fearful public reactions to our re-emergence but I don’t doubt for a minute that someone reading a poster or article or hearing/seeing a Radio and/or TV spot, as we did plenty wouldn’t have had stimulated some unpleasant or alarming memories as no one was particularily fond of us. If anything it seemed we were ignored but ignoring can often be a fearful response.
Do did not give any meetings. They were all done by students and we nearly doubled the numbers though some dropped away soon after to arrive at 38 by March of 1997. No doubt all who knew of the 1975-76 public meetings and thorough media coverage of Bo and Peep would have been watching all this unfold with a certain amount of distress as the UFO Cult was back and that really came to a head when they laid down their lives in March of 1997 with the timing of the very, very unusual Hale Bopp Comet and companion.
This question refers to verse:
Rev 11:11 And after*1 ((3326 meta= accompanying, amid, among, following, hence, hereafter, since)) three days*2 (2250 hemera= sitting/tamed periods of time) and (an) half*3 ((semi day/period)) (the) spirit ((mental disposition, quickening (life energy), blast of mind))*4 of life*5 from God ((2316 theos = the general name of deities or divinities)) entered into them and (they) stood ((2476 histemi= upheld, continued, committed)) upon ((1909 epi= towards, because of)) their ((the other persons (followers/students upcoming harvest))) feet ((4228 pou= footstool)) and ((2532 kai= both)) great ((3173 megas= large, big)) fear ((5401 phobos= alarm, fright)) fell ((4098 pipto= of falling)) upon ((because of)) (that which they) saw ((2334 theoreo= (were the)spectators, beholder, looked on, perceived, saw))
*1 after = 3326 meta met-ah’
a primary preposition (often used adverbially); properly, denoting accompaniment; “amid” (local or causal); modified variously according to the case (genitive association, or accusative succession) with which it is joined; occupying an intermediate position between apo – apo 575 or ek – ek 1537 and eiV – eis 1519 or proV – pros 4314; less intimate than en – en 1722 and less close than 4862):–after(-ward), X that he again, against, among, X and, + follow, hence, hereafter, in, of, (up-)on, + our, X and setting, since, (un-)to, + together, when, with (+ -out). Often used in composition, in substantially the same relations of participation or proximity, and transfer or sequence.
*2 days = 2250 hemera hay-mer’-ah
feminine (with wra – hora 5610 implied) of a derivative of hemai (to sit; akin to the base of 1476) meaning tame, i.e. gentle; day, i.e. (literally) the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole aganakthsiV – aganaktesis 24 hours (but several days were usually reckoned by the Jews as inclusive of the parts of both extremes); figuratively, a period (always defined more or less clearly by the context):–age, + alway, (mid-)day (by day, (-ly)), + for ever, judgment, (day) time, while, years.
Interestingly that it states it’s a period of time in which they are “sitting, kin to “tame”, that one can picture a “classroom” which is what Ti and Do called the environment of the overcoming process.
*3 half = 2255 hemisu hay’-mee-soo
neuter of a derivative from an inseparable prefix akin to ama – hama 260 (through the idea of partition involved in connection) and meaning semi-; (as noun) half:–half.
In five references to the usage (context) of this word’s translation to “half” in the New Testement it is referring to a partition or semi portion of a kingdom or one’s goods or of a “short” season (times) as in Rev. 12:14.
*4 Spirit = 4151 pneuma pnyoo’-mah
from pnew – pneo 4154; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit:–ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind. Compare yuch – psuche 5590.
*5 life = 2222 zoe dzo-ay’
from zaw – zao 2198; life (literally or figuratively):–life(-time). Compare yuch – psuche 5590.
5) When did the two witnesses ascend to heaven and how did the people of the earth take notice?
a) When did the Two Witnesses ascend to heaven?
First off, if it wasn’t clear, it was back in verse:
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony ((perform)), the beast ((venomous animals)) that ascendeth ((climb)) out of the bottomless pit ((underground depths)) shall make war ((battle)) against them, and shall overcome ((subdue)) them, and kill ((separate(exit) by/from/because of death of the vehicle they had incarnated into)) them ((and/or themselves)).
So to spell it out this is saying the “Beast” defined as “venomous animals” (the Luciferian fallen angels (discarnate and with those who are their descendants “space aliens”, that had been forced underground (pit) to hide from an Earth recycling period til they were released (Rev 9:1 in the 1940’s and 1950’s), and all humans and their organizations who they are the ancestral fathers of genetically, that includes the myrid of evidence of the human equivilent space aliens in and around the Earth) that battle (by thought, word and deed) against the Two Witnesses and in so doing subue/conquer them (in that battle) and then at some point thereafter these Two “exit their physical bodies” they incarnated into, as depicted by the interpretation of the Greek “apokteino” where “apo”=”separate, complete, cease, take away or off from” and “kteino” = death (of the physical body), thus “separate by/from/because of death”.
Thus I am saying the SUBUING was when the U.S. authorities through the media solved the mystery of the identity of these Two who for over a month were sought after as responsible for 20+ people flat leaving their lives behind suddenly after attending a meeting in Waldport, Oregon on September 14, 1975 to allegedly meet up with a UFO to be taken to heaven in outer space. When they finally identified the human identities of those who were only then called Bo and Peep (who later changed their names to Do and Ti) as Marshall Herff Applewhite and Bonnie Lu Truesdale Nettles and saw that both had a recent arrest record and that Do was actually a convicted felon (thief in the night), even though it was a misunderstanding because they used a credit card of an early follower whose husband reported it stolen and they kept a rental car beyond the agreement, both of which complaints were dropped but because of the strange situation of who Ti and Do said they were, giving authorities Sanskrit names; Shril Pravanah (Do) and Shakti Devi (Ti) that a Buddist Monk named, Nor Bu Chin who took a liking to them gave them, (that was during a time they used lots of names like, Tiddly and Wink, Chip and Dale, Winnie and Pooh and eventually settled on Bo and Peep because of the nursery rhyme that they were shepherds of sheep and then finally Do and Ti). However, the district attorney in St Louis where they initially rented the car decided to prosecute anyway, it seemed to Do to make points for re-election. When it was finally going to come to trial, 6 months had passed with Do in jail so he copped a plea that had a 4 month sentence so he could get out right away. Because of this being exposed on National Television and media they felt the prophecy of their being “killed” in the “street” was their mission being shot dead because they weren’t operating on the basis of prophecy, except in knowing that the Two Witnesses were depicting their task.
Thus what I am saying is that their ascension (rising up) was depicting when their Soul bodies exited the prepared human bodies they had borrowed/taken over for their task. The way this was depicted by the original translators/interpreters was as a repeat Jesus death and resurrection but what they didn’t know was that no such demonstration was necessary this time as the disciples with Jesus needed to experience that reality and since they were returning after giving their human lives in service to Jesus they were taking off from where they left off in their growth and that was equipt with more faith and recognition of their “shepherds voice” to where when they heard about Ti and Do or saw them talk they didn’t give joining with them a second thought.
Now, since Ti exited her human vehicle before and in a different way from Do and the student body and in the one time Do actually led a brief bible study it had to do with Revelations chapter 12, that he said depicted Ti, and since Do knew Ti to be his Older Member and “heavenly Father” and the same One who was referred to by Jesus as his “Father” (in heaven, as he wasn’t incarnate then), I sought to prove that the Father was slated to return and surfaced the following:
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
Note: The Father has a “name” that will be in the memory/minds of his students thus the Father has a physical body upon Their joint return.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Note: Interesting that here Judas is indicating that Jesus had before that indicated the “humans in the world” would NOT see him:
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Note: Thus Judas will see him because Judas SHALL Live. And remember Jesus said God was god of the living not the dead and the living were all those who had received a seed that they can grow through looking to their Older Member into eternal Life. But it doesn’t seem likley that Jesus was speaking of eternal life for Judas yet, that is as an absolute to be given, because Judas would still have a great deal of proving his love for the Next Level through his Older Members after Jesus has his vehicle killed and then upon overcoming the world upon Jesus return incarnate.
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said (unto) him, If (a) man ((G5100 tis= ONE)) love me, (he) (will) keep my words: and my Father (will) love him, and (we) (will) come unto him, and make (our) abode ((G3438 mone= a staying or dwelling)) with him.
Note: Even though “we” was added by the original translators it seems contextually justified in this case as the disciples already knew Jesus was saying he was coming back and they would see him and and be with him in his kingdom, so since the Father is being depicted as also loving each of the students as after all the Father is the one who gave these Souls to Jesus to teach/lead/birth.
Luke 9:26 for whosoever (shall) (be) ashamed (of) me and (of) my words, (of) him shall (the) son (of) man (be) ashamed, when (he) (shall) come ((g2064 erchomai= accompany, appear, bring)) in ((g1722 en= with/by, altogether)) (his) own glory ((g1391 doxa= very apparant (exposed/obvious to sight), showing thinking, opinion, judgment, viewpoint)), and (in) (his) father’s, and (of) (the) holy angels ((g0032 aggelos= messenger)).
Note: He’s saying when he comes in his own very apparant, obvious to sight way, his “father” would also be apparant and those called the holy angels the disciples who gave their life for Jesus.
There are a number of additional indicators that the Father and Jesus are both to come incarnate.
TI EXITS FIRST
For Ti, it was when she left her vehicle (body) on June 19, 1985 as prophesied to occur before Do in:
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth ((1093=ground)) opened her ((846 autos= it’s)) mouth ((4750= by implication because of related language (thoughts/words)*)) and swallowed up** the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
* Do said after Ti exited that her vehicle was burnt out, referring to her taking the brunt of the negative thoughts of those humans in the world that hated them that the Luciferian “beast” motivated, (flood which the dragon cast out of his/their mouth). Understandibly most humans who had loved ones in the group would lament their loved one’s leaving their lives and them behind, though if they sought solice from God, however they thought of God, they would have found peace of mind with the same way anyone who loses a loved one, which is inevitable for all humans eventually and often seemingly before their time will be faced with. For most it would be a great challenge to be at peace with a loved one’s decision to follow a different path. Ti and Do told us, those we left behind would receive special help because of our choices to leave to give ourselves to the Kingdom of God/Heaven exclusively but it still depends on each individual to choose to seek that help and let themselves find that peace and even spur their own closer relationship with the Kingdom of God/Heaven, the ultimate highest purpose a human can live for.
**This phrase “earth opened her mouth and swallowed up” has some history. Note in the song sung by Crosby Stills and Nash about those who fell demonstrating for peace at Kent State in Ohio on May 4, 1970 when the national guard shot randomly into the students who were peacefully protesting Nixon’s escalation of the Vietnam war by a major bombing campaign against Cambodia. Sawyer went to school with the brother of Jeffery Miller, one of the killed students when this occurred. This song was about the “cost of freedom”, in this case the freedom to demonstrate against a government that justified murder for profit. Thus these gave their lives and it was an instrumental event that helped change public opinion against the war and eventually brought down the Nixon administration. The lyrics “mother earth shall swallow you, lay your body down”.
Pertinent verses:
Psalms 57:3 He shall send from heaven, and save me from the reproach of him that would swallow me up. Selah. God shall send forth his mercy and his truth.
Psalms 124:3 Then they had swallowed us up quick, when their wrath was kindled against us:
Numbers 16:30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.
I say it was prophesied as Ti’s exit before Do and the student body (her seed) because of the next verse:
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant ((3062 loipoy= remaining ones)) of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Her seed includes her “son” whom she gives birth to in:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered ((5088 tikto= bring forth)).
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Some Christians think this chapter is talking about Mary the human woman who birthed the baby vehicle named Jesus. This is very far off the mark because Mary was at best a disciple and a disciple can’t give what is a “spirit birth” to their teacher. Only the parent, here in the context of one’s heavenly Father can bear their young by a “spirit/mind birth”, Just as Jesus said he would do with his diciples in the new age upon his/their return. Also, these prophecies were given to apply to the future, not to tell stories about the past. These prophecies were also given to pertain to the time of Jesus and his Father’s return, so all those preachers who conjure up all the history related to what these verses depict are simply missing the point of their purpose and application. Of course they couldn’t have done any better until Jesus came and revealed the only correct interpretation which is being revealed now because Ti and Do were that return so their story does that revealing to those that know what they taught and did over their 12 and 24 years incarnate and try to match it up with these prophecies. It would have been better for those Christians who wanted to understand the book of revelations to use it as clues of what the return would look like and keep it to themselves instead of then teaching their ideas to others so that others then think they understand them and can’t imagine the real deal when They come. However, this is allowed by the Kingdom of God/Heaven so that all have their choices and for those the Kingdom of God/heaven prepares, will not be satisfied with certain answers until they make sense with the entire picture.
DO AND CREW EXIT LAST:
For Do and Their Crew, their student body, the returned Saints/Angels, Jesus forcasted would return with him and his Father, their ascension was when they layed down their vehicles lives over March 21-23, 1997 which was broadcast as the “Heaven’s Gate cult suicides”.
ABOUT HOW THE STUDENT BODY ARE WITH THEM:
First of all this was never just about the Two Witnesses. The entire reason Jesus and His Father were returning was to birth their litter of Souls. Thus it can be assumed wherever these Two go, their litter will also be, physically with them, that is for the FIRST fruit Souls and for the LAST fruit Souls mentally with them until the close of the 2nd harvest phase/self judgement period that seems to be finalized by Ti and Do and Crew’s final return, but NOT incarnate this time, but only visible in the sky/heavens this time.
Pertinent verses that depict presense of the student body and their qualifications and conquering to be harvested FIRST fruit (despite what many Chritians think they would be First, while they will in fact be potentially LAST) that Jesus prophesied in:
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Note: Jesus says He as the “Son of man” shall come. Son of man is the same as “offspring of human”, that’s incarnate.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow ((those who have entered into covenant with the One sitting on the white horse (AppleWhite was the name of Do’s “horse”))); and a crown ((Ti births him to his task on the Throne, Fatherhood as he then brings the student body through the birth canal without Ti’s incarnate presence)) was given unto him: and he went forth conquering ((is conquering as he helps each student to conquer)), and to conquer ((to complete the task, having overcome the Luciferian space alien fallen angel attacks)).
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months ((two meanings for greek “men” = one as a month as in moon cycle and the other as referring to those whe are “assured/sure” which makes more sense following context of referring to those on “foot”, another depiction of having a physical body and occupying the holy city)).
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders ((There were ~25 left from the first “thunder” by Ti and Do in 1975/76 harvest)), which sat ((depicting student setting)) before God ((One on the Throne, that Ti birthed Do to take upon her incarnation exit in 1985)) on their seats ((exit video shows the white seats the student sat in)), fell upon their faces*, and worshipped ((served and are serving now to locatge those who want to be “saved” as the second harvest (belief and service in Ti and Do are the requirements to qualify))) God,
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. ((like jesus said even lust in mind was defiling and also said, they would no longer marry at this time to become “angels”)). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth ((the student body are literally with him 24/7)). These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits ((saints (those who gave their lives for God), Jesus disciples)) unto God (Father=Ti) and to the Lamb ((Son=was Jesus,now Do))
Pertinent verses that indicate TWO phases to the return with the One who was incarnate as Jesus, as One of the Two Witnesses being First (incarnate) and Last “in his glory/brightness” (visible in the literal heaven’s/sky) WITH his HOLY(pure) angels (crewmembers, those who graduated and were born into new physical bodies):
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels ((saints)) with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Pertinent verses that are depicting the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens as the Devil and his angels:
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
HOW DID THEY LEAVE:
Each of the Two Witnesses, Ti and Do, as I see it and each of their graduating students ascended when their Soul bodies left their “borrowed” human containers (human bodies), when they decided to exit by “giving their life” (in the case of Ti, having taken the brunt of the negativity *1), in the case of the 39 by, “falling upon their faces”*2, aka “the greatest love”*3, aka “laying down their lives*4” over March 21,22,23 of 1997.
*1 Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
*2 read caution below first
*3 read caution below first
*4 read caution below first
CAUTION – THIS THINKING IS NOT TO SUGGEST ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT IT MEANS TO THOSE WHO CAN RELATE TO IT AS THE UNVARNISHED TRUTH. Becoming a member of the Kingdom of God/Heaven is a huge task and the hardest task a human can engage and takes many lesson opportunities to build to. Just because we all look the same and generally have the same likes and dislikes, doesn’t mean we are all in the same Next Level determined, “grade in school”. It’s impossible for any human to judge what grade in school anyone else is in. That’s why Jesus said, “Judge not” in terms of measureing self and/or others in this regard.
BEFORE PROCEEDING ONE MIGHT WANT TO READ THIS PERSONAL NOTE FROM SAWYER:
PERSONAL NOTE FROM SAWYER:
“I was a fully dedicated student of Ti and Do’s for 19 years. I was assigned tasks to help Do with fellow students who were having problems, in which I reported to Do directly about. I sought to give my life. I was prepared to lay down my life with them before I left as we had been directly confronting the idea for years before they ended up proceeding. But still, I was not fully recognizing the reality of the Next Level. I was still thinking about the Next Level and my own participation in a spiritual way that showed I still have my “self” in mind, which needs to be erased and converted to be on firm footing. Jesus called that “denying of self” – which is giving one’s will to ones Older Member. Because this flaw in my complete overcoming of humanness became evident, I was tested and I flunked the test. Ti, while outside her vehicle, as she Exited years before, but I knew it was from Ti, opened a gate that allowed a Luciferian space alien fallen angel to influence me to give in to sexuality and I immedieally caved by allowing images in my head, although I had for 18 years before then been quite good (I thought) at self control over my thoughts and had had no self stimulating of myself to give into sexuality before then. And from that day on, it seemed impossible to control and I tried to hide it, which was another falling. I went before my fellow students and exposed my actions but I still could not seem to muster even the desire to restart my self control. So approximately nine months after falling, Do was going to reassign me to the Overseer tasks I had become accustomed to performing for Do but I realized I was too much a hypocrit so for the first time told Do I couldn’t accept the assignment, to which he said, “Then what do you want to do”, to which I said, “I guess I have to leave”, to which he then said, “you want to become more objective”. Do then asked to speak to a fellow classmate, Nrrody to relay to the other students in the crew where I was staying at the time “not to try to talk swyody out of leaving as he knows what he is doing”. I was asked where I wanted to go and I said, “nowhere, just give me a bicycle and I’ll start riding it east”. As we were in California at the time. Do did not agree and suggested staying with former members who still wanted to be in touch with the group but were living in Arizona to which I agreed.
I was given $600.00 in cash and a plane ticket and a few changes of clothing and was on the plane the next day. I couldn’t stay with the former members long as I wanted to re-engage my human styled life and although they were living a full human styled life, we were not compatible in that, so I got a job and a apartment and bicycle and some musical instruments I used to play before joining. It was over ten year later that I realized why I had left them. I had never once disbelieved in Ti and Do and when I reengaged with my vehicle’s family, all the relatives were puzzeled that as they saw it, “I got out of the cult” but didn’t see it that way. Then after I started a relationship with a woman and she became pregnant, when the group layed down their lives, even though I still did not want to think of myself as one of their members, I felt compelled to go public to tell what I knew of them as the media didn’t know what to make of any of it and painted these wonderful people as evil or misled by evil, which I knew had zero foundation. So after doings lots of media all over NYC til the 60 minutes show on Easter Sunday of 1997, I went back to my life and helped birth my daughter by a midwife in our home in Carmel, NY and began to have dreams that I was observing the group and in a very, very gradual way over several years til the 9-11 attack that I had premonitions about the night before, “I wonder if we are going to be bombed?”. That was a shocker as I was just 30 miles from ground zero and knew people that worked in the towers that for strange reasons didn’t go to work that day. In any case, I had more and more dreams and eventually wanted to be in Do’s service again but didn’t want to leave my “wife” and daughter and felt that wasn’t an issue now. It took me many years to be able to re-digest this Next Level thinking so I know how hard it is and how it’s bizarre and nearly impossible to consider as reality, but it is reality so I must. However, at one point I asked Do in my privacy if I needed to prepare to lay down my body as they did. He came to me in a dream as clear as if I was sitting right next to him and said to me, “you need to give your life”. This is the way of the Next Level. They always give us options but it is a training program we are working up to completing. Ti and Do called it at one point, “God’s Astronaut Training Program”. Thus I am attempting to “give my life” and am willing to give it by telling about my experiences far and wide and accepting the negative backlash that may in fact eventually require my physical life. I do not look forward to that time but can’t think of a better way to go than being in service to my Heavenly Fathers, Do and Ti.”
*2 Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
*3 greatest love – giving/laying down one’s life for one’s Older Member, Disciples for Jesus, Jesus for his Father, Disciples for brethern
Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Joh 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
Joh 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
Joh 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
*4 giving one’s life for the sheep, laying down one’s life on instruction from the Father
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
b) At or after their ascension into heaven how did the people of the earth take notice?
Thus they ascended after they “separated by death” from their vehicles that was seen by the world on most every news website, television and radio news broadcast and many documentaries thereafter, moreorless saturating the news cycles for weeks and then still very prominant for months to follow. It was taken out of the daily reporting by CNN and others when Princess Diana died in an automobile crash that was considered to be foul play, which was in August 1997. This was also when the highly contraversial Hale Bopp comet made perihelion – and was visible to the naked eye in North America. A number of documentaries were made, the last of which was by the National Geographics channel, Season 3, Episode Two entitled, “Final Report: Heaven’s Gate”, first broadcast on October 17, 2008. This is one of the most popular television publishers in the world, so this would have been seen by even billions potentially and suggests strongly in the most direct manner I have seen that Ti and Do and crew could have been the “Second Coming” so I tend to consider it the first phase of the Seventh angel’s sounding (trumpet blast) as it occurred 7 years after the 9/11/2001 shaking up, literally and figurativly speaking, as all prophecy seems to encompass:
Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake ((4578 seismos= to throw humans into a tremor of fear or concern)), and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Below are the prophecies with more detailed literal revealing of intent that show, first the overview in Rev 11:7, how it is through the Luciferian fallen angel space aliens through human authorities and their media mouthpieces that the Two are subued. It doesn’t stop them but for the moment but not until They had accomplished the portion of their “testimony” they needed to accomplish to have gathered their “lost sheep”, the Souls who came back with them to prepare human containers (how they see human bodies) to receive their more evolved Minds, to take them over (overcome their humanness under the direction of these Two) for their graduation aka their Spirit, but actually Soul births, aka being harvested as fruit from the garden to become Members of the Evolutionary Level Above Human where upon arrival (ascension) will receive new Next Level styled physical bodies:
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished ((performed, execute)) their testimony ((Rev 10 seven thunders – public disseminations of their information)), the beast ((Luciferian fallen angel space aliens through the human authorities through the mouthpiece of the media)) that ascendeth ((climbed)) out of the bottomless pit ((hiding place/prison inside the Earth)) shall make war ((battle)) against them, and shall overcome ((3528 nikao=subdue (“shot down by the press”)) them, and kill ((615 apokteino= seperate(apo) by death (kteino))) them ((auto= themselves – their choices when and how to exit though by non-supernatural means, with Ti exiting first by “burning out her vehicle as depicted in Rev 12:16*1)).
*1 Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
It was world news every day until the Princess Diana death took over the news headlines and continued for many months afterwards with virtually every news agency in many countries around the world, every magazine, etc. which was the 7th Thunder of Rev 10 all during the 6th angel’s “trumpet like” sounding. Thus the whole world was watching in amazement what was bizarre. Psychologist tried to come up with reasons and of course they always do but when it comes right down to the details, they had virtually none to support their theories, though they certainly wouldn’t admit to that. I helped several of the most popular researchers. The last national/international “observation” of these Two was by:
National Geographics Channel’s Season 3, Episode Two entitled, “Final Report: Heaven’s Gate”, first broadcast on October 17, 2008. This is one of the most popular television publishers in the world, so this would have been seen by many millions potentially and suggests strongly that Ti and Do and crew could have been the “second coming of Jesus”. I know as I was one of their primary sources and asked that in exchange for my interview they at least make that statement, though they didn’t substantiate it with all the data that suggests it. I am barely touching on the proves here but one has to focus on ALL Jesus said, not just the miricles and “love of one’s neighbor” aspects and some of the parables and the distortion of what he meant literally morphed into figuratives like the “camel through the eye of the needle” example. It was virtually impossible for a rich human to go to the Kingdom of/in the heavens because they will be putting their trust in those riches instead of their Father in the literal heavens. The brainwashing of the populus is huge so that IT all looks normal and even progressive when it’s mostly way off the track it could be on. In that verse about the “eye of the needle”, the Greek word was a sewing needle however sized the eye and NOT an archway in the town that camels had to stoop on their knees to get through with a load. However, I would not be surprised if Jesus said it that way to give the option for people to believe what they wanted. Otherwise why would he have used the camel example with a sewing needle. Jesus was very clearly speaking to at least two mindsets, those that could grasp what he was teaching because they were invisibly and genetically prepared to receive it and those that could become first time believers and finally those that would find fault with everything he said and would try to get rid of him. He didn’t want to be “done in” before he had finished his task of bringing those his Father gave him far enough along so that they could graduate their “second trimester” towards their eventual “spirit/soul birth” that jesus said they would need to take a new flesh body (water birth) to accomplish upon his return.
So all their enemies were watching alright.
enemies = 2190 echthros {ech-thros’} from a primary echtho (to hate); hateful (passively, odious, or actively, hostile);
They were/are all those who hate them, whoever they are and for whatever reasons, most without a cause except how it threatens their agenda as was the case with Jesus as well. He was killed by the fearful Roman government at the behest and pressure from those with the most power over the common people, the high priests of the establishment Jewish religion who feared loss of their congregations. They were simply pawns of the discarnate Luciferian space alien fallen angels who later commondeered Paul of Tarsus to their agenda to dilute and bring distortion to what Jesus taught. He was a pawn as well. That’s not to say he didn’t become a believer to some degree, though it went to his head big time so much so that today much of the modern Chrisitan organizations are nearly void of talking and teaching all Jesus said as Paul made it palatable to the masses, programming them to believe that all they need to do is believe on Jesus and accept their illusion of who he was into their hearts and they would be “born again” to receipt of eternal life with him either when they die or by some physical rapture into the clouds.
What has become talk of rapture, originally meant being “caught” away from their life, Jesus illustration of what he and his disciples were doing when they passed on the truth that the Kingdom of God/Heaven was “at hand” as “fishers of men” the application of which was made manifest when someone met up with the incarnate member in some shape or form and “left all behind” to be with that Older Member and/or to go about disseminating Their “words” aka Holy Mind/Spirit. Yes, believers who make those connections with the current Older Member(s), in the current case in the names and teachings of Ti and Do, when they die in Their service then their Soul body will also be caught away from it’s otherwise destination somewhere in the spirit world and will be taken to be on board a hovering but invisible to humans spacecraft “heaven” that is among the skies, in the atmosphere of Earth, thus among the clouds. It is true that those who “died in christ” 2000 years ago, being those who gave their lives in service to the Father and Jesus person and teachings, the true “Saints” would “rise first”, (as Paul wrote in 2nd Thessalonians), rise being to “stand up again”, the definition of “resurrection” which pertains to standing on physical human legs, (born again of flesh, aka in carnal – latin for flesh). These became the firstfruits. They didn’t need any proof at all to recognize their shepherds as the physical human vehicles they would take were also specifically prepared from their birth to be open to the receipt of the information that would register to them as totally true (because it is). And so it is with those who “remain”, have not died in Christ yet. These have also been prepared from their birth of their physical human bodies. For these though Ti and Do’s arrival and departure may still have very challenging aspects to embrace fully, they will still have a degree of recognition that They ARE who They said They ARE, so can choose to follow that belief to further waking up to as with each baby step we take towards Ti and Do, by talking to Them, they help us by revealing more of Themselves to us in ways that always leave us the choice to deny or doubt is occurring. When we push past the doubts and fears, asking Them for the strength to do so, they provide it and such we as the human plants that we are begin to push out of the dirt/ground/earth towards the sun’s light to eventually grow by that faith into a fruitful tree.
Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
The “great voice from heaven (the sky/outer space, among the cloudiness)” was Ti’s spacecraft that was cloaked/disguised (clouded) by the “Hale Bopp comet”. Do recognized Ti’s “voice” (Holy Mind) in that Comet’s arrival as what they (He and Ti) had anticipated from their awakening as punctuated by comet Kohoutek, the first ALERT EXCLAMATION (WOE) that followed the 5th angel’s sounding/voice (trumpet blast, vibrational uplift of the human mindset of the 1940’s-50’s when they arrived and simultaneously opened up the prison gate on the underground Luciferian fallen angel space aliens so they could freely choose to influence humans to their agenda that gave the humans the opportunity to raise their awareness of their reality so they could be more equipt to accept what Ti and Do would begin to teach when they began their prophecy fulfillment period that served to call the first fruits to their classroom, that took shape in 7 distinct passes (thunders), the first of which in April of 1975 in Los Angeles and the 7th in two phases, the first of which was the Heaven’s Gate Web Site and Book in 1996 and the 2nd phase their actual exit that was broadcast for every eye to see and for every ear to hear over the entire world. It’s the choice of humans to pay attention, to as Jesus said OBSERVE THE SIGNS and not assume they would be the first to SEE while not paying hardly any attention to the news or to what’s happening in the literal heavens/outer space) and the massive consciousness uplifts in considering the myrid of evidence of Space Aliens among us. That Seventh Thunder dig shake the human kingdom and especially in the Temple and Court areas of the planet.
As was said in the Heaven’s gate web site that remains today, Hale Bopp was the “sign” that told them it was time to exit. By that point they had already ruled out all exit scenerios that were considered by Ti and Do and some students from before Ti exited in 1985. Even so they “covered their bets” a common Ti and Do expression along with, “if in doubt don’t” along with “take a chance on a positive” along with “change is the name of the game” along with “get your Mind in your vehicle” which was synonymous with “clean your house” or “wash your robe” that Jesus was quoted to have talked about. On that last one, that was Ti talking to the returned saintly Souls; who had filled their soul container with a significant portion of Their Next Level “Holy/pure” Mind/Spirit while with Jesus until they gave their physical vehicle’s life in the process of their service, stimulating their press INTO their current human vehicle, prepared to receive that Holy Mind/Spirt.
I may be wrong about this but thus far it seems that the Second woe BEGAN with the arrival of the Hale Bopp Comet with the evidences (many) of it’s “companion object” that was covered up by NASA and Art Bell’s radio show where it was first spoken of and the Hawaii Observatory who allegedly airbrushed and/or explained away to cover up what was clearly photographed by the Japanese as an object that was not the comet and not a star and showed a photographic signature that showed no time lapse that distant objects (stars) show. Also it was reported that a number of amateur astronomers could see the companion with their telescopes and even binoculars. Yet the crew of Do and the 38 of the student body (with 4 to join them thereafter) which makes the 42 in Rev 11:2 referenced by the English word “month” which has two translations, as:
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty (and) two months* ((and/or surely)).
*3376 men mane a primary word; a month:–month.
OR
*3375 men mane a stronger form of men – men 3303; a particle of affirmation (only with 2229); assuredly:–+ surely.
The context is speaking about the Gentiles, those not prepared for the Two Witnesses arrival who live in the geographical area of the new nation Jesus said the Kingdom of God/Heaven would be given to, not in the plan for the Two Witnesses primary prophecy period. (Ti and Do always said they felt the area of the U.S. west of the Mississippi River was where they felt was in their range, though they did on a number of occasions venture east of the Mississippi River).
Thus the second part of this verse is speaking to the definition of the Greek “pateo” to “tread under foot”. Here is the Strongs definition:
3961 pateo pat-eh’-o
from a derivative probably of paiw – paio 3817 (meaning a “path”); to trample (literally or figuratively):–tread (down, under foot).
One can see this is speaking about a “path” that is walked upon in relationship with the Holy City. A city by definition is a walled/defined area where PEOPLE live. A path doesn’t exist without people to trek upon it both literally and figuratively. Thus this is talking about people who are on this path in a the “temple/altar” streets(paths) of the city in which they are learning what that “path” entails. In this case the city is “holy” which is a reference to Beings who inhabit it. Holy means that which is “pure” and this is by the standard of the Next Level, thus this is the literal physical geographic area being shown John where all those who are Pure or in a stage of purity (measured by one’s Older Member’s purity) are on foot within. This is given to us by words, Mind/spirit, so it’s spiritual in that sense but the manifestation of all this “spirit/mind/words” is through physical human beings. Thus this verse is also depicting what Jesus said was a “standing up again” (resurrection) in (carnal/flesh) upon his return. Speaking of purity (holiness) has to do with the application of the behavior and ways of the Next Level as demonstrated and directed (birthed) through Older Members incarnate in human vehicles example, (The Two Witnesses) relative to each students capacity and “grade in school” as they approach their graduation/birth/harvest and metamorphosis into membership in the Next Level. Therefore these spoken of are COMMITTED which is the reference to the “bow” in Rev 6:2 – the “litter” of Souls being born who have covenanted to follow the lead of their Older Members.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Here is where the ONE sitting on the white horse (applewhite) is crowned, which has to do with being graduated to His new station spoken of as the throne:
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
The ONE who is doing the birthing is depicted here:
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
The sun is not only a depiction of the Great Light source, light in ALL ways that SHE has wrapped around her (clothed with), but also represents the Father while the moon, as a tool and reflector of the suns light being her vehicle, the female mother.
Ti always told Do she was to “get him started” and after that said she would “go back”. When she said this Do always wondered what that meant as Ti didn’t give any further details. He couldn’t imagine that she meant she would be going back to her human vehicle’s family. When her vehicle expired by becoming overcome with what the doctors called cancer, that Do said was the response of the vehicle to Ti’s Mind that “burned out her vehicle”, he knew what she meant. She came with him to birth him to his next station of bringing the students through their birth canal/metamorphosis, which is what the Rev 6:2 reference to “bow” really depicts, not what many Christians say it means as a bow as in bow and arrow, a human weapon of war. The Next Level has no need to use human weapons though they allow humans to do some of the house cleaning of weeds (tares) in their choice of waring.
bow = 5115 toxon tox’-on
from the base of tiktw – tikto 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric):–bow.
5088 tikto tik’-to
a strengthened form of a primary teko tek’-o (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses); to produce (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.), literally or figuratively:–bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail.
This Rev 6:2 verse is the only place in the New Testament where the Greek “toxon” is referenced and defining it as a simple fabric doesn’t provide any hints to it’s application, though interestingly “bow” is used througout the Old Testament and New but with sevreal different origins and defintions anywhere from “bowing” as in bowing down to the bow and arrow but mostly to mean “covenant” and a cutting which makes the most sense in this context as “conquering” is aka Overcoming and Prevailing against one’s advasary (satan). Do said the definition of Isreal really meant an “overcomer”. Jacob was named “Israel” after he wrestled with an angel and won. The Hebrew word Israel means, “prevail as Jehovah” which can equally be conquer or overcome as Jehovah thus in this One sitting on the white horse of Rev 6:2 bow does seem to relate to this One’s efforts to conquer not only for himself but for each of those he is midwifing through the soul birth canal which thereby makes a great deal of sense that He is then “bearing” young himself.
This means that this Rev 6:2* rider of the white horse, having conquered takes place BEFORE the next one sitting on the Red horse.** I suspected early on that the Red horse was Bush and company, the Red republican “ruddy” (english) war mongering (red) who in one way or another stimulated the hatred that resulted in the NYC world trade center and pentagon attack as it brought “endless war” (on terror) thus no enemy to ever conquer as was hoped for by the committee formed in 1997 who were called, “progress for a new american century” writing the document “rebuilding American’s defenses” in which they said they NEEDED an event like Pearl Harbor to provide the impetus to bolster the U.S. to be able to fight a two front war. This was signed by Rumsfelt and Wolfowitz was one of the main authors of this document and Cheney was instrumental as well. Thus the 9/11 attack became that “pearl harbor” like event and that led quickly to a two front war against Afganistan and Iraq that are still in shambles while wealth is being generated by both, part of the reasons for the attacks in NYC’s financial center in the first place.
*White horse
Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb* opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
*Lamb = for those who say the Lamb couldn’t have opened the seal and also be the One riding the white horse, they are not understanding the Next Level ways. The Lamb is referring to the Older Member from the Kingdom of God/Heaven (heavenly Father to us) who served in the task of “laying down his life for his sheep” thus termed the Lamb. It’s not the vehicle named Jesus that is opening the seal. He took that vehicle with him into the spacecraft cloaked by the clouds to demonstrate to his disciples that he was from the Kingdom of God/Heaven as he said only those who came from the Kingdom of God/Heaven ascend with their physical body back into the Kingdom. But once on the spacecraft he would get back his “celestial” model physical body to wear until he needed to return to operate as one of the Two witnesses. Thus this usage of “Lamb” was to make that link.
**Red horse:
Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power* was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword ((military might)).
*Ti and Do said that the U.S. area was kept from having major calamities so the classroom could function freely but Do said towards the last days that that protection would be lifted when they were gone and it didn’t take long, did it.
While talking about it, it was days before election day between Barak Obama and McCain/Palin and I was wondering who to vote for (but it was between Obama and Ralph Nader in my mind). I had a dream of Dstody, the only black male vehicle of the 38 who laid down their lives and also his vehicle was the brother of Lt. Ohura of Star Trek fame. He came to me and all he said with a thought was “Obama”. So I thought Do sent me the answer and I voted for Obama. However, weeks later at most, I came upon:
Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Note the references to money in relationship to commodities and the balancing act he would have to perform that he entered office with the intense challenge of in a global wide financial “crisis” we are still in the midst of.
Therefore I knew that Dstody’s message probably had nothing to do with who I might vote for but everything to do with making sure I knew that Obama was the physical manifestation of the prophecy to have a black skinned human in the presidency fufilling that prophecy. (This does not mean Bush or Obama have a relationship with the Next Level but it does show that the White horse by it’s timing alone is the vehicle that Do took to perform his “conquering task”.
But referring to that “litter”, each of these students needed to do their own overcoming/conquering, thus the reason conquer was repeated as Do was not only conquering the human kingdom and his assigned advasary (satan), Lucifer but was also the direction behind each students personal success in conquering each of their assigned advasaries (satans).
These same students as Souls in human vehicles with Moses and then with Jesus made “covenant” each time to abide by the instructions, behaviors and ways as provided by the incarnate Older Member they were with for each stage (trimester) in their progression to “birth” into full adult membership in The Kingdom of Gods from/in the literal heavens. Ti and Do more accurately, “plainly and boldy”, as prophesied, spoke of the Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven as “The Evolutionary Level Above Human”, where evolution is NOT Darwinian but represents the fact that life on Earth was built in kingdom levels; Mineral, Plant, Animal and Human so that the human kingdom could become the footstool for deposited Souls, as Jesus spoke of, as seeds, aka in Ti and Do’s real analogy as a catapillar’s cocoon to build one’s crysalis (christening = making one’s eye single to yield one’s whole body full of light) within to emerge a butterfly with “wings”, a Jesus and Old Testament reference to the way an eagle (the greatest of birds) takes one on their back/wings to the hightest places.
6) In the hour after they ascended, in what city did the great earthquake occur that killed 7000 people? A tenth of that city was to have been destroyed.
I believe this was New York City and was the World Trade Center attack and collapse of the two towers, etc. that “shook” the entire Earth in more ways than one and ushered in “endless war” as I just outlined of the Rev 6 Red Horse, Bush and company. Humans actually recorded a seismic frequency generated from those two towers collapsing in the way they did.
Here is how I justify this opinion:
You are referring to:
Rev 11:13 And the same hour*1 was there a great earthquake*2 ((shaking, tempest, commotion)), and the tenth part*3 of the city fell, and in the earthquake* were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
*1 hours
First off this “hour” doesn’t show a relationship to incarnate beings and being so small is likely a reference to a small amount of time but by Next Level definition of small. As it was said in scripture that a day to the Next Level was as 1000 human years, an hour of Next Level time would boil down to about 40 human years. Thus since they exited in 1997 the earthquake which is actually more accurately a “shaking, tempest, commotion” during that same ~40 year period.
*2earthquake = 4578 seismos {sice-mos’} from 4579; TDNT – 7:196,1014; n m AV – earthquake 13, tempest 1; 14
1) a shaking, a commotion 2) a tempest 3) an earthquake
*3 tenth part of the city fell
“city fell” is quite the indicator.
tenth part = 1182 dekatos dek’-at-os ordinal from deka – deka 1176; tenth:–tenth.
1176 deka dek’-ah a primary number; ten:–(eight-)een, ten.
In actuality, however this came to be, I don’t know, because the Next Level didn’t orchestrate this attack. If they want to weed the garden they use weather systems not humans with bombs, etc. However, the buildings that fell during the attack and fell because of the attack or were demolished completely because of the attack actually are 10 as follows:
World Trade Center buildings 1 – 7
St Nicholas collapsed completely
Deuche bank was so damaged it was later fully demolished
Fiterman hall of Manhattan Community College was badly damaged and because of mold is being rebuilt.
Curiously there were 17 buildings listed as part of the complex, all of which were either collapsed or damaged by the two towers falling. I only bring this up because of the translation above of “tenth part” as being “(eight-)een” which I do not understand how that relates exactly yet.
However, 7000 people didn’t die in the attacks, but it is odd that the Next Level would forecast an exact number as they would not know that as the garden is designed with the possibilities for random deaths though to those that ask for help in certain circumstances they will step in to save someone.
But in researching this number, it seems cilioi comes from chilioi and chilioi is of an uncertain affinity thus leaving some question as to it’s meaning:
thousand = 5505 chilias khil-ee-as’ from cilioi – chilioi 5507; one thousand (“chiliad”):–thousand.
5507 chilioi khil’-ee-oy plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:–thousand
Nevertheless, in the Old Testament the term used for thousands
According to Easton’s Bible Dictionary certain instances translated to “thousands” is actually referring to “families”* or “tribes”. If this was actually more accurate it would make more sense that the Next Level knew that 7 families of humans would be represented in those buildings. The restaurant at the top of WTC 1 was called “top of the world” so one can imagine that there are 7 continents that were being represented here by WTC 1-7. This ties in potentially to the “family” translation.
*Thousands
(Micah 5:2), another name for “families” or “clans” (see Num.
1:16*; 10:4; Josh. 22:14, 21). Several “thousands” or “families”
made up a “tribe.”
*In this verse:
Num 1:16 These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands* ((family, tribe)) in Israel.
*504 ‘eleph eh’-lef
from ”alph’ (502); a family; also (from the sense of yoking or taming) an ox or cow:–family, kine, oxen.
To every event – angle sounding, woe, voice, thunder from the Next Level there are human events that are responses many both in ways seemingly negative and positive in terms of providing help to humans to rise out of their human condition which often takes the form of a trauma and loss. The Kingdom of God/Heaven designed the planet and they designed the kingdom levels of life to build on one another with the intention of providing a path to graduation from the human kingdom into their very ranks. Therefore, all creatures were designed with a limited life span. All life is a gift from the Next Level regardless for how long it lasts and what is experienced as it is only through living that a human can be given a soul/mind deposit from the Next Level that by the direction of the Older Members shows that new soul how to sprout into a prospective member of the Next Level. To foster this growth, Ti and Do said that “the human kingdom was not designed to work”, which is why it was spoken of as a footstool. The stool is for the human to use to reach up to the Next Level when the Next Level draws them. When humans experience trauma is shakes them from their security and mammalian self reliance, self being looking to themselves and/or their tribe or family, nation, etc. for help, so that they have the opportunity to reach up for help from the Kingdom of God/Heaven in whatever terms they came to understand Them. When humans reach up for help, the Next Level crews working under their Captain and Admiral Older Members offer appropriate help to those that ask according to their own guidelines. The Next level can take the spirit from a human vehicle that died and set it aside (save it, what Do called being “put on ice”. This means that spirit and/or soul will be given further opportunities to grow. That’s all, yet that is a lot as those that don’t ask for Their help are simply merged into the spirit world to be eventually recycled at the end of a garden cycle.
Sawyer Stands for Ti & Do's Heaven's Gate 