The Transfiguration of Jesus and reported meeting with Moses and Elijah
According to Ti (Do’s Older Member (Father)), Do was the same Older Member of the Next Level who started the experiment incarnate as Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus. This can be found in Ti and Do’s statement, “What is Happening in the Heavens at This Time!” that can be found in the back of the book, “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary” written soley about Them by Brad Steiger and Hayden Hewes from several interviews with Them. (Ti and Do weren’t happy with the book but I don’t know exactly why.)
During the event of Jesus, with his disciples, James, John and Peter as witnesses on the mountain He was reportedly “transfigured” described as “his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering”. Do said this was the point where he had reached his METAPMORPHIC completion. At some point thereafter he was seen “talking with two men” (man faced) and in the three gospel accounts the two men were Moses and Elijah which stimulated the question. (The full three gospel accounts are at the end of this post):
Because of what Ti had said, does this mean that all three; Jesus, Moses and Elijah were sharing one Soul?
I would say, No, they were three different Members of the Next Level.
Before I describe how I arrived at that opinion I want to provide some background qualifications; Ti and Do never claimed that one could count on everything that was said in the New Testament to be the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They always said the Next Level worked very hard to make sure the records of what Jesus said were preserved and reliable, as shown in a Red Letter edition.
However, since the time They said that there are Red Letters given to the Luciferian phony antichrist, “Jesus” who entrapped Saul/Paul of Tarsus, so even that can’t be counted upon entirely.
That core Jesus teaching is still very well in place though it’s mostly ignored, diluted into spiritual definition of terms or distorted, because of the way the Luciferian space alien fallen angels and those they could influence have flooded the human kingdom with wrong information. Do said humans hardly stood a chance and said Christians were among the most targeted group.
Examples of that distortion is apparant in the thinking that “Jesus did it for us”, so we don’t have to, or even to embrace ALL Jesus literal behavior and ways, suggestions and instructions (commandments) is tantamount to “trying to earn your way into heaven”, as I was often told when I was traveling church to church telling preachers about Bo and Peep as the Two Witnesses of Revelations chapter 11. The list of misinformation is very long anymore but now with Ti and Do’s teachings being revealed more in scriptural terms, the test is whether we will seek the full truth through hearing all Ti and Do said and did.
To restate that core, Jesus teachings shows that we each must GIVE OUR LIFE. This is shown by believing and trusting everything Jesus said and did, and sharing that with others, which at that time would stimulate the same response from the lower forces, through humans, as it did against Him, which would also result in the loss of a student’s human life. In so doing each student will be rewarded with eternal life in Jesus and his Father’s Kingdom, that is, if one continues through to enlist and complete the next lesson plan, when The Kingdom of God (as Jesus described them) Older Members return incarnate to provide the “process of overcoming the human world”, which involves more than “giving your physical life”. The full “Overcoming Process” will add up to a complete SEPARATION from the human kingdom roots of family, behaviors and ways and any sense of self, replacing our mind with the Older Member’s (holy) Mind (information, lessons, behaviors and ways) that in so doing, while PLEASING Them will complete one’s graft to Their Above Human Family.
Once the Older Members have come incarnate again, to ignore them and what they say will be tantamount to dropping out of any potential to complete the course. Each prospective student must know this formula of seperation from the human kingdom regardless of whether or not they feel strong enough to engage it 100%. How much of our humanness we give is up to each one of us and is between us and our Older Members, who are to date Ti and Do , even though they are no longer incarnate. They are still very much alive and aware of everyone who calls upon their names with the desire to serve them and they will help each of us to the degree we want their help.
The overriding requirement to date, to becoming a student of theirs is to study and believe everything Ti and Do said and did and to take a stand for them and accept the consequences in so doing. Doing so will begin one’s metamorphosis. Embracing all their behaviors and ways will accellerate your metamorphosis. Looking to them for help with our every step is crutial to starting one’s bond. You will become aware of their helping you.
To try to overcome the world outside of their program, bypassing pleasing them by doing all they give us to think, say and do, is trying to EARN one’s wings without Them and is not actually possible. However, it’s not about giving all or nothing. That can be another trap to get people to avoid the entire premise. As I often say to myself and others. We’re going to give ourselves to someone and our life up at some point, like it or not, so why not decide who to give it to and put our trust in Ti and Do’s hands. They will never abuse that trust. Those that never heard of Ti and Do fall into a different category of souls and could be saved for a future opportunity depending on the Next Level crew’s judgement of what each has done and is capable of.
Now on to the question:
With that perspective, in the transfiguration account that is told in Matthew, Mark and Luke’s writings, that each provide different details of, the only thing Jesus actually says, presumably to all three, John, Peter and James is to, “tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead”. In Mark’s record he says these disciples talked about what “rising from the dead” meant, indicating that before this time it wasn’t part of their lessons to understand completely. Luk 9:31 indicates Jesus “decease…at Jerusalem” was at least some of what was talked about between Jesus and these two depicted as Moses and Elias.
Another big point in looking at anything the Kingdom of God/Heaven stimulates: Members are not egocentric at all. They are all about performing “tasks” for their Older Member, one’s “Father”, whether They are in the literal heavens, or physically present in some observable way, as Jehovah was at times with Moses, though in a cloud cover, while allowing Moses to touch him at least once. Or they can demonstrate a physical presence in the form of a voice which took place on several occasions that Jesus at least once said was happening for the sake of the students. That happend during this Transfiguration event. And yet another way They can be physically present is as described in this account where two “men” were observed who the three disciples thought were Moses and Elias, (presumably Elijah). The point here is that the Next Level are not about individuality, though Ti and Do said upon graduation we become “individuals for the first time” due to the way discarnate influences use our bodies like a time shared computer. But Members of the Next Level don’t care about seeing their name in a spotlight in some way or getting credit or being identified as someone special. They would much rather not stand out, except in how their task warrants doing so. Thus, if they give names in some way when they are physically among us in such a way that we can see them, then that’s for our sake to help us continue our growth towards birth into their Membership in the Next Level.
This brings up an important point. How did they know it was Moses and Elias? They wouldn’t have had pictures of them and we have no evidence of drawings or paintings, but perhaps all three got the same thought so regardless of how these two physically appeared, to them they were Moses and Elias.
One could believe that if they were wrong Jesus would have corrected them. I could go through all kinds of reasons to try to logically arrive at the possabilities. From my experience with Ti and Do, they didn’t give us more information unless they felt it part of their instruction to give us more. They would often say, “this works for now” – in other words it didn’t have to be 100% accurate in all it’s context – it was what we as a group needed to believe at that time. As it turned out everything they said was increasing our understanding of what was most true. In other words it’s often a test and can be a so called “straw that breaks the camel’s back” for some that are teetering in their committment. We saw this over and over with Ti and Do’s teachings that critics use as evidence that they weren’t who they said they were because of how they changed even initial seemingly core ideas. It was always interesting that to a core group of students their changes were accepted 100%. Frankly I was among them in that regard though I eventually met my challenge that surfaced a weakness in my committment so flunked a test as well. I also learned that what I thought was a 100% committment wasn’t. At the time one can’t really measure their committment anyway as one never knows when they will meet their ultimate test of that committment. One of my biggest mistakes was coming to think subconsciously that I was breezing through my overcoming. All that really meant was that I was unaware of what I wasn’t overcoming well enough as the bar can be continuously raised.
During this event, called his Transfiguration, Jesus had received something that lighted up his body. Ti and Do said this was when he had “changed over” his body into the start of a Next Level body, as after healing that body after it’s death he first met Mary Magdelene and told her not to touch him as he hadn’t yet risen to his Father. It was eight days later that he showed up in a closed up room with his disciples when he allowed Thomas to touch him so they would know it was him and that he was still a physical being, though with new facility to appear and dissappear while remaining physical and as he said “not a spirit”, but still composed of “flesh and bones” that included further proving the proof of by eating “broiled fish and honeycomb”. (Luk 24:39-43)
It’s most interesting that in Mat 17:2 the word translated to “transfigured” that largely represented some “altering” to his physical appearance in the Greek is “metamorphoo” from morphoo, the same as morphe – to fashion or figuratively form – through the idea of adjustment of parts, referring to a shape. Ti and Do said from the beginning that we were “growing a Next Level body inside our human body” referring to it as our “change over”. Ti and Do were never what one would call Bible scholors disecting every word and/or justifying what they taught by quoting chapter and verse, though they frequently would relate to what Jesus taught and said. They knew even in February of 1973, before they had fully awakened to what prophecy they were awakened to fulfill, that each of us, to adhere to the teachings of Jesus would be required to experience our own “christing” that included a separation from our worldliness and elimination of sexuality. Do wrote about this in “Statement One” first made public in March of 1975 equating the “overcoming process” to the metamorphosis of a catapillar (human) to a Butterfly (A Next Level Member that is above the student membership the fallen angels had that I believe Do equated to being what he referred to as “domestics”).
I am just pointing out the magnitude of this Transfiguration event and some of the way in which an Older Member manages their incarnate task, saying only what they feel instructed to say or what not to say regardless of it’s degree of absolute accuracy. For instance, in 1975 Ti and Do said, “you don’t have to die to enter the Next Level”, yet they all died, so were they wrong as some say. I guess it depends on how you define “entering the Next Level”. In the first stage it seems “belief” in who the Older Members are is enough to get your spirit “saved” for a future lesson time. At that point one is in the keeping of the Next Level and unless one decides in subsequent lesson opportunities to drop out of the program and their care one will potentially graduate. But to graduate into full adult membership in the Next Level does require dying to one’s humaness in all ways, mentally and physically. Then we have the example of both Enoch who was reported by Moses as being “taken” and Elijah who was observed as “taken” and Moses was insinuated as being taken all without dying, though they had already graduated into Next Level adult membership.
It seems possible these “two men” were the same vehicles that were Moses and Elijah (Elias) but is it important that they were the same vehicles? A vehicle is to the Next Level an instrument compared to a specialized suit, Ti and Do compared to a human putting on a spacesuit or underwater suit to use for a particular task. Do said at one point in the Beyond Human Series that his vehicle had also become committed to his Next Level Mind behaviors and ways. Do also taught that there is a different type of “deposit” given to a human vehicle according to the Mind that would be taking it over (incarnating). There is a type of deposit that is not geared to become a new Soul when a returning Older Member Next Level Mind enters into it. I believe Snnody and/or Jnnody wrote about that to be found in the Purple Book. But every vehicle still has a Mind synonymous with Spirit. Some human vehicles are chosen to become the host for a new Soul that begins by their being given that soul as a “container” deposited into the human vehicle, that Jesus spoke of as a “seed” and as the “new wineskin” that can then become filled with “new wine (mind/spirit)” that is geared to handle it rather than cause it to burst as that Mind/Spirit changes out (ferments) human mind for Next Level Mind.
Thus I guess it’s possible the vehicles named Moses and Elijah, used by the same Older Member (holy) Mind/Spirit/Soul (from Adam to Do) could have been kept alive and/or were themselves developing a Next Level Mind from so could have been brought back for the sake of the upcoming students to relate better to their appearance better. Imagine trying to describe a Next Level vehicle you saw while with Jesus if it was about 4 foot high, white in lack of coloration, a slightly larger than human head and no sign of hair with a very slim build. The people they would explain this to wouldn’t stand a chance of believing anything they said thereafter. The Next Level is fully cognizant to the need for these kinds of strategies.
The two at the tomb were called “angels” while the two that were with the disciples at Jesus ascension into the cloud were not singled out except for being dressed in white:
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
And the two that showed up in Sodom to give Lot and family a chance to escape the annialization of the city were only described as “angels, messengers, ambassadors, representatives, and men” in the account.
Ti and Do talked about how sometimes Members of the Next Level may have a task to relate to humans face to face and would try to come upon some clothing to wear that would seem normal. We had read accounts of seeing two people come into a store dressed in very out of date clothing that Ti and Do didn’t discount being Next Level crew activity. Perhaps those Moses and Elijah vehicles were just that vehicles that could function in some interface capacity. When the Next Level have a task that includes their graduation to a more sophisticated model vehicle, if it is advantageous to sacrifice the vehicle, they don’t hesitate though it’s always given as a option to the occupant. That’s what Ti and Do said happened before the start of their third trimester task. The option was given to a number who were of some equivilent service as the Luciferian fallen angels to sacrifice their existing physical body to go to earth to take over a human vehicle prepared for them to take it through the overcoming process that could result their Mind’s graduation to adult Next Level membership.
So again, my response to this question is No, it doesn’t seem the same Older Member (holy) Mind/Spirit/Soul was operating the vehicle named Jesus while operating the vehicle identified as Moses and the vehicle identified as Elijah.
Do said when he left his position on the spacecraft he put the vehicle he was wearing at the time “in a closet”. When he told us this, he also said that Ti didn’t do that same thing because Ti’s Mind had grown to be able to operate more than one vehicle at the same time. I don’t recall his saying how many vehicles Ti could operate at the same time but presumably it could be more than two. However that’s not to suggest Ti (as the one who was The Father) was manipulating the Moses and Elijah vehicles but I suppose it’s possible. However, I don’t think it’s likley as the Next Level from my experience doesn’t “concoct” events. They don’t put up fascades that I’m aware of. (That’s what the Luciferian do and they don’t sow seeds of confusion in what they expose us to. It’s just the opposite – when they sow seeds it’s geared to further strip away confusion the Luciferians sow).
ELIAS MUST COME FIRST – The same Greek word “Helias” is translated to Elias in all these New Testament verses. Jesus was even quoted while on the cross to be calling to the same Elias.
Strongs Hebrew/Greek dictionary indicates 2243 Helias is of Hebrew origin (‘Eliyah 452); Helias (i.e. Elijah), an Israelite broken down further to: “GOD OF JEHOVAH” shown by:
452 ‘Eliyah ay-lee-yaw’ or prolonged tEliyahuw {ay-lee-yaw’-hoo}; from ”el’ (410)
and
‘Yahh’ (3050); God of Jehovah; Elijah, the name of the famous prophet and of two other Israelites:–Elijah, Eliah.
410 ‘el ale shortened from ”ayil’ (352); strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity):–God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”
3050 Yahh yaw contraction for ‘Yhovah’ (3068), and meaning the same; Jah, the sacred name:–Jah, the Lord, most vehement. Compare names in “-iah,” “- jah.”
There ia a big problem with seeing these two “man faced” individuals as the actual physical vehicles and/or vehicular Minds/Spirits of Moses and Elijah, in addition to being the same name, Elias, Jesus was calling out to on the cross and the same name that the disciples on two occasions tied to John the Baptist, that was the same name that was indicated as returning to “prepare the way for the Lord” (Jesus) as indicated by Old Testament prophets, Isaiah (that Jesus often referred to the writings of) and Malachi. Malachi also indicates both a messenger and Elijah are coming back but he says Elijah returns before the “great and dreadful day of the Lord” which is often phrased that way to indicate the “day of judgement” which doesn’t take place until the END TIMES so can thereby be some additional evidence that the Older Member who was incarnate as Elijah also served incarnate as one of the Two Witnesses where there is a great deal of evidence were the Older Members, The Father and Jesus in a new human vehicle, having a NEW NAME his incarnate stage with his Father whom he would show us and tell us the name of as said in Rev 3:12.
This idea that John the Baptist was the return of Elijah came about from the opinion of whichever of Jesus disciples that summed up what Jesus had said, not from what Jesus actually said necessarily as shown:
Mat 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mar 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore ((reconstitute)) all things.
Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Remember, Elias is “deity of Jehovah”, in other words a Member of the Next Level working for the Father Jehovah or as Do would say it, “on Ti’s crew”. It’s a task designation that an elder student is performing to represent Jehovah’s strategy, in this case of providing “preparation” to receive the Older Member incarnate as Jesus. (I actually suspect the Aurora (dawn) so called UFO crash in April of 1897 was this same kind of task – a forerunner to “prepare the way” for the return of the Father and Son and Crew in the same kind of entrance via crashing of spacecrafts to serve multiple purposes.)
Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever (they) listed ((2309 thelo= determined, desired, chosen, preferred, wished)). Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is ((2064 erchomai= come, accompany)) indeed ((2532 kai= and, also, even, so, then, too)) come ((2064 erchomai= come, accompany)), and (they have) done (unto) him whatsoever (they) listed ((2309 thelo= determined, desired, chosen, preferred, wished)), as it is written of him.
Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
So once again, the disciples are adding it up for us and again it certainly looks that way but Jesus’ use of the word Elias can mean to him someone in prophecy spoken of as being a messenger rather than the same soul who performed the task incarnate as Elijah the Tishbite who evidenced being “from the Kingdom of God” as Jesus said that no one can ascend into the kingdom of God unless they came from the Kingdom of God. But “came from” doesn’t necessarily mean they are an Older Member from the Kingdom of God. They could still be a “student member” as Jesus indicated of John the Baptist (greatest among humans).
This sectoion of the records indicates some of how John the Baptist did or did not think about Jesus. It starts off referring to Jesus:
Luk 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
Luk 7:17 And this rumour of him went forth throughout all Judaea, and throughout all the region round about.
Luk 7:18 And the disciples of John shewed him of all these things.
Luk 7:19 And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
Luk 7:20 When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
Luk 7:21 And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight.
Luk 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Luk 7:23 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
What’s interesting is the way John was portrayed as having fully recognized Jesus when he baptised him, yet if that was the case why some time after that baptism would John send some of his disciples to inquire if Jesus was the “one” he had been looking for/talking about to coming of?
Then Jesus lays out who John is:
Luk 7:24 And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
Luk 7:25 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings’ courts.
Luk 7:26 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.
Luk 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
(This is where both Isaiah and Malachi referenced as a returned “messenger” to “prepare the way”.)
Luk 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
So John was NOT yet a Member of the Kingdom of God – he was still a student messenger whereas Elijah was referenced to a “deity (God) of Jehovah” – someone who was “in the kingdom of God” thus was greater than John.
Further John referred to himself as a messenger only:
John 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Joh 1:19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
Joh 1:20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
Here John says that he is NOT Elias (presumably Elijah – a Deity of Jehovah):
Joh 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Joh 1:22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
But then says he is fullfilling the task prophecied as Esaias (Isaiah) which is defined as a “helper of Jehovah” which is a helper of any “existing one”, the name Moses’ Older Member gave:
(Ti and Do often designated certain students as “helpers” yet they had never graduated into the Next Level at least as adults yet.)
Joh 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias ((2268 Hesaias {hay-sah-ee’-as} of Hebrew origin 03470;; n pr m, AV – Esaias 21; 21= Isaiah = “Jehovah’s help” 1) a famous Hebrew prophet who prophesied in the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah))
And here is the clincher that shows how John the Baptist can be both the one prophesied to “prepare the way” for Jesus (the Lord) AND be the return of Elijah, because HE HAD THE MIND/SPIRIT OF ELIJAH IN HIM:
Luk 1:12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luk 1:14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.
Luk 1:16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
John goes “IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER OF ELIAS (DEITY of Jehovah)”:
Luk 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
And as a little icing on this cake of an idea. It was Elisha who was Elijah’s “helper” that insisted on being with Elijah to witness his exit and to have a “double measure of his spirit” upon his exit.
2Ki 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2Ki 2:2 And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Bethel. And Elisha said unto him, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel.
2Ki 2:3 And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.
2Ki 2:4 And Elijah said unto him, Elisha, tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Jericho. And he said, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho.
2Ki 2:5 And the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he answered, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.
2Ki 2:6 And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here; for the LORD hath sent me to Jordan. And he said, As the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And they two went on.
2Ki 2:7 And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan.
2Ki 2:8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.
Here is where Elisha asks for a “double portion of [Elijah]’s spirit (mind)”:
2Ki 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
Note how Elijah sets up a condition as his Older Member could then decide whether to give Elisha that dosage and/or whether Elisha had raised his vibrations enough to see his actual departure as the Older Member could regulate how much is visible in accordance with Elisha’s thirst:
2Ki 2:10 And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.
2Ki 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2Ki 2:12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
Note how this happens at the Jordan river the same river where Jesus was baptized by John:
2Ki 2:13 He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan;
2Ki 2:14 And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over.
2Ki 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.
Thus, it’s altogether possible that the Soul that was incarnate (in the flesh as carne from Latin means flesh) named Elisha was the same Soul who became incarnate as John the Baptist and could have been the same soul that was incarnate as Aaron with Moses. All three had direct relationships with Jehovah and were in an apprentise student relationship to the Older Member according to the tasks at hand. And these could have also been performed by different student Souls as it’s not about the particular Soul, it’s about the task though certain students are given the opportunity to serve when those students have shown their desire and capacity to do so for the sake of the task.
Furthermore, there were 50 students who followed Elijah and then Elisha. There were about 58 of Ti and Do’s students who were as they said, “adopted” into the Next Level family in 1977, who received the “ody” last names though that number was down to 24 when we went public in 1993 again after 17 years in seclusion, though the numbers rose again due to dropout returnees and then in 1994 new students that fluctuated again over the next couple years to end up with 38 + 4 to graduate in 1997. The point to saying that was to show how the numbers were in line all throughout each of the Older Members incarnations. Even 144,000 doesn’t necessarily mean that number as “thousand” was a term for a “family” or a myriad so the number in both the two primary harvests may be more related to 100 and 40 and 4 to graduate in some shape and form with a myriad of Souls and/or Spirits to be saved – also a graduation to their next grade in school.
2Ki 2:16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.
2Ki 2:17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.
2Ki 2:18 And when they came again to him, (for he tarried at Jericho,) he said unto them, Did I not say unto you, Go not?
2Ki 2:19 And the men of the city said unto Elisha, Behold, I pray thee, the situation of this city is pleasant, as my lord seeth: but the water is naught, and the ground barren.
2Ki 2:20 And he said, Bring me a new cruse, and put salt therein. And they brought it to him.
2Ki 2:21 And he went forth unto the spring of the waters, and cast the salt in there, and said, Thus saith the LORD, I have healed these waters; there shall not be from thence any more death or barren land.
2Ki 2:22 So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake.
And here is a direct reference to Elisha (perhaps to perform the task of John the Baptist, pouring water on Elijah, his Older Member’s hands:
2Ki 3:11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the LORD, that we may enquire of the LORD by him? And one of the king of Israel’s servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah.
So in these ways, John the Baptist was forcast to be the messenger prophecied to come before Jesus and would come “in the spirit/mind of Elijah” but not be the actual same Soul as Elijah. In this same way Jesus came in the Mind of his Older Member whom he referred to as “our Father in heaven”. That’s because when one enters into Next Level service they don’t want to stand apart from their Older Member in any way. They don’t want to be an individual. Like Ti and Do always called themselves “links” and “pipes”. They felt if they let their human mind get in the way of what was coming through them (their being a pipe), they were reducing the purity of the information – the truth which they didn’t want to do. It was automatically reduced in order to provide it to the students in a way they could receive and digest as too much too fast could be like putting too much fertilizer on a healthy plant, one wants to stimulate further faster as Ti and Do always said theirs was an “accellerated” overcoming program.
Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
I believe we can talk about Moses in the same way Elijah was referenced in the Transfiguration account. Ti and Do felt that the vehicle named Moses that was taken by the same Older Member who later served as Elijah and Jesus and then finally in the name of Do was also “taken”. There is some evidence of this in:
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
I could see the Luciferians wanting the body of Moses but I can also see that the Next Level via Michael who evidences being the name of the same Soul who was incarnate as Jesus, etc. would really have no contest with the devil over the body so I would imagine Michael won and they took the body Moses. Again this can be confusing I know but what sorts it all out is to know that to the Next Level human vehicles are plants they use as instruments – vehicles to perform tasks. When the task is over they don’t necessarily stay in that vehicle even if they are taken into a Next Level dwelling place. Since there is no evidence that the Moses vehicle was transformed as the Jesus vehicle was I think it’s unlikley the One incarnate in that vehicle would have stayed in that vehicle unless there was another task to perform. And their might have been just as Jesus said he had another fold to tend when he left. That fold would have also had stages that I imagine would require a hands on lesson period after the Moses time period.
** Reference: Start of the Transfiguration account **
Luk 9:28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
Luk 9:29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mar 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Mar 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
Luk 9:30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
Luk 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
Luk 9:32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
Luk 9:33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Luk 9:34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
Luk 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Mar 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mat 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
Mar 9:6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
Mat 17:7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
Mat 17:8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
Mar 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
Luk 9:36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.
Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
Mar 9:10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
** end of Transfiguration account **
Other related verses:
Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
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To Mary Magdalene at the tomb, the first one to see Jesus (though she had alerted Peter and John that his body wasn’t there and they came and saw his clothes there and left, while she stayed:
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
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Jesus allows his disciples to touch him. He says he has “flesh and bones” though he appeared out of nowwhere by then on at least two occasions in which he ate fish and honey:
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
About Elijah:
Luke 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
Luke 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
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