Here is a combination of a response to the Vanity Fair article and addressing all the ways TI and DO changed certain things and how those changes became big tests for many students to deal with and challenge them to still want to follow them, which they often knew would happen but didn’t design to be that way – they were putting into affect what they felt they had instructions to do. Sometimes they would tell us this was going to be a test to see if you could handle the change the way a member of the Next Level would. At the end I’ve posted Crlody’s post re: this article and some of what he posted is included here:
Link to the Vanity Fair article:
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/12/heavens-gate-cult-of-cults-docuseries-hbo-max
Article:
Referring to Saturday Night Live skit about DO and Crews exit, they portray “they boarded the alien spacecraft they believed trailed the Hale-Bopp comet—and had tried to reach by ingesting phenobarbital, then wrapping plastic bags around their heads.”
Sawyer:
Yes, leaving by their own hand was necessary for them to go with DO. But not just anybody could leave their vehicle and be with DO. DO said even if someone watched their exiting and felt like they missed the boat, they should go learn about the information they left behind. In other words it’s not a quick fix ticket as to dig into Their information would take effort as it’s got lots of challenging aspects to it that become grounds to be dissuaded. In that material they would see that they would be expected to try to follow the Major and Lessor Offense lists and that they need a vehicle to build their Minds stronger through, maintaining those lesson steps and not giving up and showing DO they want to be in He and TI’s service. Getting off of addictions like to drugs and/or alcohol and getting rid of our vehicles programming of sexuality and/or curbing ones anger or other forms of sensuality are hard work to conquer. For some suicide is relatively easy as they can be so hateful about themselves and/or others.
DO and Crew wrote on the Heavensgate.com website:
“Whether Hale-Bopp has a “companion” or not is irrelevant from our perspective. However, its arrival is joyously very significant to us at “Heaven’s Gate.” The joy is that our Older Member in the Evolutionary Level Above Human (the “Kingdom of Heaven”) has made it clear to us that Hale-Bopp’s approach is the “marker” we’ve been waiting for — the time for the arrival of the spacecraft from the Level Above Human to take us home to “Their World” — in the literal Heavens. Our 22 years of classroom here on planet Earth is finally coming to conclusion — “graduation” from the Human Evolutionary Level. We are happily prepared to leave “this world” and go with Ti’s crew.”
By the way, the Hale Bopp comet directly matches what Jesus said about his return in several ways, “like lightning shining from east to west (or from one part of heaven to the other part)…” A comet can be seen as a “covering” for something else as well as a sign combined, as also could be evidenced in what occurred during the Moses 1st Trimester Classroom with the Older Members (Elohim (Lord), Jehovah, Father in Heaven) coming and going “undercover” of a “cloud of light” or the like. Jesus was witnessed to ascend into a cloud. In the Hebrew origin of the word it means a “covering” because the Next Level wants their coming and going to remain a mystery to some degree until people have grown to really “see” (that they are real and not etheric spirits as has been greatly disseminated to the human kingdom) but because they have grown their Minds to recognize – makes sense.
Also, DO and Crew didn’t reach the spacecraft because of “ingesting phenobarbital, then wrapping plastic bags around their heads.” that perspective many choose to believe is another major distortion. Some evidence of that being a distortion comes from each of the students who joined, even 19 years before, in how we observed the development of the exit method DO realized was from TI’s Mind as DO’s students became One with He and TI’s Mind. From the start it was about leaving the planet and giving our all to the transitional “process” that would change our Mind and Body into a new creature. Our vehicles did change over enough, though for some more than for others of the 38 + 4 or so. This is evidenced by how even our vehicles loved being in the classroom, which is evidenced by not bucking what we, our Minds wanted. At least 24 of them grew to use, as DO said in Beyond Human video’s 51% or more of that Next Level Mind, so that when faced with any choice, they would choose based on that Mind/Information, behaviors and ways taught by TI and DO. That would include making choices when we didn’t know exactly how TI and DO would think and do, through our desire to know what they would think and do which shows that development, (though that doesn’t mean they can’t backslide and even lose all they once gained). My point here is that our vehicles need to cooperate with that Next Level portion of our Minds when it is often not a human type of interest to do so.
For instance, even in 1975 when they were saying we wouldn’t die, then talking about the vehicle itself, I had in my head this sense that I would die a martyr. I didn’t put that much stock in that feeling and began to think I thought that way because that is probably the way the returning Soul experienced exiting via the occupation of a previous vehicle. Even though that may have been the Soul’s last experience with an Older Member, that sense could have come though the genetic mind of those past experiences, yet didn’t mean that’s the way it would play out this time around. So if I clung to that martyrdom idea I would have been bucking what the Older Members gave in this lifetime experience as a new class member. Martyrdom was addressed by TI and DO when they said, “this is not a martyr trip” and I wondered if that applied to me as I didn’t even know how much of that Influence I had with me but I saw it surface later. So their saying that was a bit of a test for me to change as that wasn’t a given way to exit this time around like it was 2000 years ago when Jesus told his disciples they needed to “drink the cup” of his “blood” as he was demonstrating by telling the truth that got him killed by others so would happen to them as well. As the classroom progressed DO and/or TI considered every form of exiting. If we stayed with the program we would grow to be willing to exit our vehicle by any method the Next Level gave to us. Jwnody wrote about this in “Away Team from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure”.
So this perspective of knowing that one way or the other we’d be exiting this vehicle, even if the vehicle itself literally changed over into a new Next Level vehicle, as Jesus demonstrated (as the old vehicle would have changed, which only happens if we have overcome that major part of our humanness through what our Older Members have led us to experience, that we choose to become of One Mind with.
So that is some proof that the ticket was stamped by that event but that there were for most some 22 years of qualifying to board that spacecraft and I don’t say that without a very large amount of data I experienced most of first hand.
Here is a partial list of the events that took place that became tests and filters for the serious students to grow because of or leave the classroom. They didn’t want anyone to miss out on the opportunity but they also followed their instructions so a few times they separated some who weren’t keeping up. That didn’t mean they were lost. If they continued to seek Their Minds even while being in the world, according to their thirst, could find their way back into the graduation classroom, while some would rise to that task after they left in this current season and/or to be continued into another season entirely.
Primary LIST of about 22 EVENTS that SERVED as TESTS of Students Seriousness:
-1975, October – Changes they made when they cancelled or postponed the “demonstration” of their being killed and overcoming death the way that Jesus had demonstrated.
-1976 They told Brad Steiger, published in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary book, that they didn’t know if that “demonstration” would still happen. They also said around then that they weren’t basing anything they thought and felt was because of “reading Jesus’ life” story. They had their own connection that was very real. However that didn’t mean when they were at Gold Beach, Oregon the first time in 1973 that finding the prophecy of the Revelation Two Witnesses didn’t help them to see what prophecies they were to fulfill. Understanding that, they didn’t let those prophecies dictate what they felt, which is evidenced by their changing what the “killing” in the “street” meant, though they never discounted that exit method either, as evidenced by DO’s feeling to go public for the second time more boldly stating that He was the same Soul who was incarnate in the vehicle named Jesus, starting in 1992. DO first introduced that possability of having to be up front about His and His students being the same Souls who were in the vehicles of Jesus and his Disciples in about 1987 when he told us that he felt, “we need to be who we are.” which a number of us knew referred to having served before as Jesus and his students. (It’s important to note here that if students let those thoughts of their being Souls who had been with Jesus go to their head, it was misapplied because someone’s stature spiritually isn’t based on who they were in a past life but what/who they have become now).
They even said about the Revelation 11’s description that the Two Witnesses would have power to stop the rain and bring on other plagues humorously, saying that they sometimes wished they had those powers. They thought of it as ironic that they didn’t seem to have those powers then and how that was seemingly part of the design for their task to have such powers and how They knew They were the ones who created that design before they came incarnate. (Yet that scripture didn’t say they would use those powers, at least at that time of their provision of Their testimony to who they were and where they had come from and why they had come).
Here is what They said about the change from the demonstration performance, from DO’s writing in a booklet called “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew,” which he wrote to clarify misinformation that was reported about Them before then:
“However, they grieved literally for days, feeling like they had been shot down by the media and the mission was dead. They received instruction to not walk into a physical demonstration but rather to know that the “killing in the street” of the two witnesses had occurred at the hands of the media. However, they felt like this was a cop-out or a “chickening out” interpretation of the one act that was the basis of their whole following. So, with much embarrassment, they called their students together, convinced that without a physical demonstration, their students would have every right to call them charlatans. Much to their surprise, the students, almost without exception, accepted the interpretation and said, “OK then, where do we go from here”?
-In about October of 1976 Nineteen students were sent out of the class by TI and DO. Some found their way back in 7 or so years later by unusual circumstances. The reason given by TI to us (me) was said as “you all made the first cut” as it really was a God Astronaut Training Program – to join a team. These Nineteen at that time weren’t showing they were putting out enough effort to be in Their metamorphic “Process.” (That was a big test for them especially but showed all of us that we had to show them our seriousness about getting with Their program or leave. As it turned out Drrody found his way back and that then included Stlody who was in touch with Drrody who wanted to know if he found us and I believe Dymody was another of those 19). All three of these were among the 38.
-In 1977 when TI told us “you need to give us your will”. After TI left her vehicle in 1985 DO told us that TI told him at the time of TI’s saying that to us that “we will probably lose half the class by saying that,” (paraphrased). Our numbers at that point were probably in the high 60’s and by 1993 before some rejoined, we were down to twenty four students. (That was a big test for some).
-In 1978 when TI and DO told us they might exit this world before us. They wanted to prepare for that and said, if they left and a spacecraft came to where they were not to board it automatically as they would be able to know if it was Them or not. (That was a big test for some).
-1980 – When TI said the spacecraft would come and if it did we didn’t see it. (That was a big test for some and at least one person, Jssody left because of that I believe but perhaps others as people would leave in the middle of the night and I often didn’t know why.
-In early 1980’s TI and DO instigated a time period to where we would each drop our guards against thinking about the past, etc. and open those doors to those Influences to see if there was something we wanted to still do in the world or someone we wanted to be with. After about 20 minutes or so, they’d give instruction to go back to blocking out the past. But opening that door, if we did have something the drew us back into the world could have been like a recovering alchoholic taking a break from the self discipline of overcoming that addiction and then getting back on the wagon. It can become harder to not allow themselves back into that behavior.
-1983 – We learn that TI’s vehicle has cancer and has her eye removed and is told by a doctor it’s probably spread throughout her body. (For some that may have been a shocker as well as TI talked about how our Minds can heal our vehicles of diseases, though that can include changing our behaviors-diet, etc. (Some may have beeen challenged by that happening)
Also in this year, TI and DO start up a business called Astrologics in Amarillo where we offered to the public Astrological chart work, made stained glass windows, where Ollody began painting the rings of Saturn picture, gave meetings about the existance of spirits/ghosts, had a meditation room and TI instructed us to learn to look to DO better by starting up a chorus. Ti also started “committals to DO” then and They also bought a house at that time. Among those things we celebrated Christmas for the first time and TI and DO bought us birds (as pets) – two Parrots, two parakeets and 10 or so Finches. They also bought us gold leaf dinnerware, chrystal goblets (though we didn’t drink wine) and silverware. On these last two items in particular they could have been big tests. I know a would be new believer who had a problem with why they would give us pet birds. He seemed to get past that being a reason to not believe in them until I meantioned to him that Moses had said the sign of a false prophet was someone who what they prophetize as happening doesn’t come to pass. I guess since They had said they would do a demonstration of death overcome, since that didn’t happen he left belief in them. (By the way TI and DO said that the Moses materials have been tampered with but the Jesus sayings in the four gospels were kept accurate by a Next Level crew who had to work very hard to accomplish so they would be useful to those to come which is mostly for now I believe as very few of those among the 38 would have probably considered themselves Chrisitans since we knew that Christianity wasn’t any longer really about what Jesus taught execept by using his name. However, that’s not a judgement of any one person as the Next Level doesn’t judge people by groups they are apart of unless their behaviors and ways are against what they hope humans would embrace. Like for instance, “do not kill”, “do to others as you’d have them do to you”, “live by the sword die by the sword,” etc.
-1984-1994 BRNODY in a satelitte craft
Since around 1984, Brnody, who by then was crippled with osteoarthritis, by TI’s instigation was given a task of living by herself in a Dallas apartment. She was outfitted with a car that had a lift on it’s back to be able to carry a motorized cart she used to get around in. TI and DO chose to help her by helping her become more independant. They had tried a number of things, doctors, prescriptions, dietary changes before then. They even started a task to “lay hands” on her vehicle (she had clothes on and we mostly touching her legs that were twisted and swollen badly, but certainly not close to any private areas. We didn’t need to be told what areas to avoid or anything about it. I was among the 4 or 5 student who layed hands on her that time or two. Someone would regularily massage her legs at times after that. I did it sometimes.
So she was given the task to be more or less on her own. She got a job with the people that were doing that TV show featurning J.R. Euwing – maybe it was called, Who shot J.R.?. She was in accounting as she had that skillset before joining the classroom. I think she had been working in TV before as well in Oklahoma City where her vehicle was from. She had a way to get in touch with the Class and DO’s helpers, Lvvody and Jnnody and sometimes Jwnody kept her up to date on things happening in the larger classroom and she tried to live according to procedures and was quite successful at it but I’m listing this as a preface to other events of this ilk because just being in a half way situation was still an open door for her to get back into the human world again.
At one point after TI left her vehicle DO brought her back into the larger classroom but it wasn’t working out. We were in California and DO sent Alxody and Brnody to the Gerson Clinic in Tijuana, Mexico to learn about Dr. Gerson’s program. This was about 1989. One of the things they started to do was buy raw beef liver that I think they would consume somehow but I lived at a different location so never saw exactly how they handled it. But it wasn’t working and one time while I was with Srrody and Lvvody and Jnnody and DO, DO was expressing not knowing how to help Brnody and that he didn’t know if she could be close to dying and even though he didn’t want that to happen, the ramifications of something like that happening was also weighing heavy on him. So she was eventually sent back to live in Dallas again and she was thriving there. She eventually moved back but it was after I left the classroom so I don’t know much about that, except she was among the 38.
-1985 – TI instigates “visits” to “Relieve the Anxiety” of anyone who most cared about us.
The visits were over a weekend. We flew out on a friday night and flew back the following Sunday night. We were living in Dallas at the time. We chose to visit whoever we felt still had anxiety about what we were doing, our absense from their lives and/or our whereabouts and safety, etc. We were instructed to arrange by telephone the visit so that we’d only have to go to one location to visit with all who wanted that visit.
That became an open door to leaving as we flew all over the US, mostly by ourselves and didn’t have to come back but it was seen as like passing a test when we came back though for many of us it wasn’t a test at all. That’s when they said we could give returnees a brief hug. Before that we didn’t do any touching of others unless it was part of a task. Like Stlody used to give fellow students neck and back adjustments. I remember Jwnody used to get that done semi often.
-1985 TI leaves her vehicle – June 19, 1985
TI’s vehicle was diagnosed with cancer of the liver. So she didn’t heal her own vehicle and left when they were supposed to leave together at first, hence a big test for some. Do told us that this answered a question he’d had for years, understanding what TI meant when she would say to him, “I’m here to get you started and then I’m going back”. Do said he would think, “go back to…. her vehicles family, which he couldn’t imagine. He felt her vehicle became burned out dealing with the human kingdom’s negativity towards her/them. They were and still are hated by many.
- 1985-1992 Do instigates our thinking about if we wanted something in the world again. In total that probably happened 2-3 times when Ti was in her vehicle and a couple times instigated by DO after TI left. One of those times something did prompt me to have some thoughts about having a daughter and separte from that thought, I wondered about leaving once but it didn’t threaten my staying because I had no reason to leave. That one thought wasn’t very strong so didn’t bother me at all.
(Incidentally after I left I was visiting with former student Dncody (who had been outside the classroom for 3-4 years or so by then), in Sodona, AZ where he lived at the time and the person he was sharing a house with, where I stayed I guess was to some degree a psychic reader, told me that there was a little girl hanging around me. I was with my partner visiting then, the person who becames the mother of my daughter in 1997).
-1986 The idea first arose that we might leave by our own hand.
I was packing up the last few things in DO’s quarters in the upstairs bedroom of the house where DO and helpers, Jnnody and Lvvody had been living. I saw a book on the end table by the bed. I picked it up and saw that it was by the Hemlock society and was all about all the ways somene might leave their vehicle by their own hand – commit what humans call suicide. I didn’t pay it much mind and set it down and finished my tasks. I later saw that book in our little library and began to read it.
It was a little uncomfortable to read but I’m going to link it with the Cocoon movie, I think we saw back in 1985 which showed a bunch of old folks learning about what looked like Next Level Members being born of water from a type of cocoon shell that were physical and that rejuvinated them when they swam in the swimming pool where these huge pods were submerged. But they ended up going out on a boat to be picked up by a spacecraft for their new lives. I believe we saw that after TI left her vehicle and that prompted DO to buy a yatch and fix it up with the idea that we might do the same thing, But that’s as far as that went and we ended up selling it.
So I recall one time when I was reading the Hemlock society book, it must have been after DO got the yatch as I remember thinking about dying and by which method felt most comfortable (if any of them are actually comfortable) and I imagined if we went out on the boat and a spacecraft didn’t come, I though what if we just decided to sink the boat and drown – how would it feel to die by drowing. Now mind you, I had no death wish. Til then we still didn’t think we would necessarily die. I kind of cringed at the prospect of dying by drowning or any other way but I was willing to exit by whatever means. But DO left that book back on purpose it seems and it was a test to me and any classmate that came upon it but I’m not aware of DO ever discussing that book with us.
-1986-7 DO instigates a second visit to vehicles loved ones. Because of that Rthody (Michael in documentaries) chose to leave classroom to go live with his brothers and their families. Frank (Andody) reveals in the Heaven’s Gate podcast that when he visited his family and/or Chkody’s (Anita’s) family he would have left the class if she gave him any indication she wanted to do so. He hadn’t broke those ties over the previous 11 or so years. He left several years later.
-1987 – DO asks the Class the question, “what if I’m not who I say I am, would you still want to follow with me”. In other words he was allowing some who might have had doubts to face them. (I felt like I would have followed him anyway though I believed he was exactly who he and TI said they were. Perhaps that affected some.
-1987 – Mark (Mrcody) and Sarah (Srfody) don’t want to abide by the lesson step called “I could be wrong” so after some meetings DO instructs them to leave and instructs each of us to we each bid them goodbye saying they would be welcomed back when they want to follow all the lesson steps. (Saying that to them could have even been a test for us). This lesson step was a way to help some question their judgement of certainty about things in day to day interactions in tasks. So one would perform this exercise of prefacing a statement of fact with, “I could be wrong but… I think it was the blue car that sped past us that day out of control”. They didn’t give that example. The example they gave was re: these tents we had that were a greenish color. So what if TI and/or DO said, they looked “polka dotted” to them, would we trust our view of them over our Older Members. They never said something like that exactly but there were things that came up to where I could see I trusted my mind over theirs. (Mark (Mrcody) has a very intelligent vehicle/mind so he had a lot of trust in his ideas and opinions so didn’t want to use that phrase thus he couldn’t be in the classroom. Sarah went along with him for her own reasons I don’t know for sure about but have some indications of that I won’t go into now, but I think it safe to say that most all our challenges exist before they surface at any given moment).
-1988 – Satelitte Craft arrangement in Dallas expands
We were living about 30 minutes north of Dallas, TX and this was where DO wrote ’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew booklet. Part of the class that included, DO, Helpers and some out of crafters like myself moved to Albuquerque, NM ahead of the others.
I became aware that Cddody and Alxody got into a pushing match of sorts, one pushing the other on the chest. Cddody had been having problems being argumentative and contrary before then and it just got worse so DO arranged for him to at first stay with Brnody and for reasons I never knew Anyody was also living with Brnody by then. But when it became three of them, it didn’t work so they helped Cddody get his own apartment nearby but in Dallas as well. He got a job and after a while there he was offerred to return to the larger classroom and he chose not to. I’d met up with him in 1995 while I was outside the classroom in Dallas and then another time or two, so stayed in touch and he eventually moved to Arizona I believe and died from his vehicle breaking down in some way – I’m not sure, but it was after wasn’t suicide, though it was after the classroom had exited in 1997 because I was in Dallas again after that happened, even in around 2002 and he was following that way of thinking that DO changed after TI left and got off track to lead the group to laying down their vehicles lives. A number of dropouts went in that direction of thought and opinion.
Then Alxody and Sngody were sent to that Dallas halfway classroom as well but I believe they stayed with Anyody who I think got her own place and job, letting Brnody maintain her own environment. They weren’t there for more than a month or two it seemed and both later returned and were among the 38.
Around this time for reasons I didn’t know of, Tllody and Stlody left the classroom. Stlody had been one of the 19 that TI and DO separated from the class in 1976 but had rejoined in 1982 or so when we lived in Amarillo because Drrody, also one of those 19 had been actively looking for the Class and found us in Amarillo by just so happening to walk into the Amarillo hospital where Nrrody (and Sngody) worked in reception and recognized one another. So Stlody left again. Tllody was living in his own apartment in Dallas as well. They both resumed some dating and Tllody had a nice sports car but when the Beyond Human tapes were played over satelitte dish that they saw, they wanted to return to the classroom and did along with others like Jhnody from Venezuela who also by chance saw the broadcast that included a PO Box they could write to.
So again, these classmates were free to leave and even got help to leave by TI and DO and/or by DO. For instance DO gave me $600 and an airline ticket to Arizona where I went. I told DO I wanted to use the bicycle we had at that time that I rode to work everyday to just ride east but DO nixed that and suggested I go stay with Mark and Sarah who were in their own type of half way situation but who wanted to still be in touch with DO.
-1988-9 – DO says he is thinking about having himself castrated.
A week or so after bringing that up he holds a meeting with students with male vehicles and describes the procedure. A few days after that he calls about a dozen students, most being in male vehicles and wants to know if any of them in male vehicles would have some reservation of having that procedure done. I was there. Hvvody has some reservation about it. Hvvody had a hard time dealing with his reservation. I was his partner then and after about a week he chose to leave the class. DO didn’t put anything into motion until about a year later for Srrody and I who had petitioned him to have the procedure if he got instructions to allow us that choice. Srrody did have the procedure and I was supposed to go next but Srrody’s surgery had a minor complication. It wasn’t botched. Lvvody, Jnnody and I took Srrody to a hospital near Escondido and I went in with him and the problem was quickly fixed and they held him there overnight and he was happy as a lark to have gone through it. But because of the complication DO postponed the operation for me and I was disappointed but don’t think it effected me thereafter. (So that was a test for Hvvody and all of us in male vehicles as were we willing to lose our vehicles sensuality in that regard).
-1991 Fasting in Arizona desert – I thought we might leave our vehicles by fasting. I remember asking Frank (Andody) that in around 2000 when I met up with him in Seattle what he felt about doing that fasting and he didn’t have the same perspective. We started the fast on air and then on the second to 14th day we only drank water.
I can imagine that some were tested by that and then we broke the fast on tangellos harvested in Yuma, Az near where we fasted and went to after the fast. DO said it was not the best choice to break a fast like that as it’s too much hard to break down fibers when the digestive system had slowed way down from water only. Excuse my graphic description but after trying laxatives natural and pharmaceutical grade with no results except for difficult cramps I ended up using my finger to dig out the feces plug. I don’t know what Others did but that may have tested people to see that DO made that so called “mistake” but that he may have done his best to avoid as he and Lvvody and Jnnody were quite studious about all this, since we had been through some fasts before and had written the Transfiguration Diet book by then (1986). So the way I saw it, was that DO was led to not make the best choice because I would guess TI wanted to put some to the test in that way. I was partnered with Prkody at the time and he ended up leaving the classroom soon thereafter but I never knew why but his vehicle died after the class left their vehicles.
-1993 (March-April) David Koresh – Branch Davidians
DO brings up maybe getting a rifle in case we might exit by just possessing a gun, that is if the govt/lower forces had reason to seek us out and found us considering how the lower forces stimulated the attack on the Branch Davidian compound. We would not have shot anyone or been violent against anyone at all – not our way but to DO, he had instruction to examine it.
DO didn’t believe in what David Koresh said or the way in which he lived but when the ATF and FBI mounted their final attack on them, using what looked like a flame thrower attachment to a tank canon that crashed into the building to set the entire compound on fire that killed all those children, men and women who were not shooting back at them, I was at DO’s quarters in a different craft(house) from where most of the student body were living, with Srrody as my partner. I think we went there to bring DO notes from classmembers primarily. It wasn’t more than about a hour away. So DO, Lvvody and Jnnody, Srrody and I were watching television that was live reporting from the compound at that time so aaw the tank enter the house and saw the fires start and quickly spead to engulf the place in flames.
As I recall Lvvody kind of gasped and all of us were upset by it as we had been watching what was going on every night on the news. I’m not sure if he said this to everyone but I remember him saying he wondered if his students would be as dedicated as Koresh’s students were to be willing to die rather than save themselves. Several days later DO came to where we lived and held a meeting like I described about getting a gun. When DO said that I was a little surprised and still while in the meeting felt okay about it but then thought, would I feel okay if DO asked me to take someone’s life and I remember feeling disturbed about that and then thought he wouldn’t ever ask me to do that, so I saw it as a discarnte Influences thought and I put it out of my head by thinking, I’d deal with that if it happens but didn’t think it would.
Frank (Andody) expressed in Heaven’s Gate podcast that DO’s saying this about exiting by the hands of the government because they might see us as a threat to them because we had a gun, was like the straw that broke the camels back for him and he began to think then or after that DO had “become a little bit psycho” which showed how that was a big test of his commitment to DO, a commitment that TI before she left her vehicle said we needed to make to DO (that DO knew we needed to make to him, but that TI told us she was expressing to us because he was uncomfortable asking us for that, though he certainly did move in the direction of taking that position with us after TI left).
-1992 or so – DO says we have enough money in our purse to pay $2000.00 to anyone who might want to leave but is so comfortable in the classroom that having some money to get started with might give them impetus to leave. He wanted students who remained to be working hard on their further overcoming of their humanness.
-1994 – around August. We were holding public meetings since the around the first of the year and were in the northeast US. Each group had a Compaq computer, the first portable computer I knew anything about as it was like 50 pounds in this white hard plastic case that was like a desktop with a screen built into it. And each group had a tiny printer, width a little bigger than an 8 1/2″ by 11″ piece of paper it printed on. We would go into a hotel and install a second phone line so two of us overseers could be on the phone at the same time and we also had a way of using a rs232 phone line jack to be sent a document so instead of making our own posters which we did at first DO and Helpers to include some of the computer programmers like Srrody, who had returned to California to get back their old jobs at Subscriber Computing, Inc (where I also worked remotely for before we gave notice in 1993 in preparation for going public again) sent us the poster to use for the next meeting and the poster talked about laying down our vehicles lives by our own hands. It’s in the Heaven’s Gate Book poster section. I’m not sure if we used it but we had it and I remember asking a restaurant if they could help us with some food and we’d be willing to work and I recall talking a bit about us upon their request and telling them we might be exiting by our own hand, as I was kind of proud of taking that position (which I’m not proud to say because I think I was still vibrating on a martyrdom idea of how that might appear to boost my stature, my own view of myself that I had not yet overcome. However, I’m bringing that up because of how others in the group, some who were new to the group could have seen that as we hadn’t formally talked about that exit method before then that I recall.
-1995 – 1997 – My understanding was that any of the males who wanted to go through with having the castration surgery were instructed by DO to travel close to where they found a doctor that would do the task and get a place to live and get a job to pay for their place and food and for the operation. I believe in the video where they sang the DO RE ME song with their own lyrics and welcomed Alxody and Vrnody was when they came back from having had that operation. I don’t know if this was before or after DO had the operation. In any case I bring this up because living outside the classroom meant they had an easy opportunity to leave the class and especially to question whether they really wanted to have that procedure. Some may think Vrnody being a student for such a short time by then, just a year or two then, wasn’t a student long enough to want to take that step and especially since he had a fairly young vehicle in his 20’s I believe. But I can recall even when I first joined in 1975 that had that been presented as an option I probably wouldn’t have thought twice about doing it, even though I wasn’t threatened by giving into sensuality until the 1990’s. I wanted to give my all which included my vehicles life. Now some of that was a bit off kilter from where I needed to be because I did seem to think I was on a martyr trip which TI and DO several times said their process was NOT a Martyr Trip. So I was still entertaining an Influence that thought such an action of dying for the cause elevated me into some type of hero the way I saw Jesus as a youth become. So there was some ego in it. Even so, the willingness was also having the Next Level consciousness that we are not these vehicles and that we really would not be dying when we exit.
-1995 – I learned about this test from Rio’s (Neody’s) book as I left the classroom in September of 1994 well before this happened. Tucson, AZ – 3 Students see “Next Level Helpers” described as looking like “six year old hairless little boys, glowing like white phosphorescence with a blue tint and wore one piece, form fitting outfits, like Olympic speed skaters. 3 other students say they dreamed it. One who dreamed it was Neody who recorded that description in his book. He reported that one report was that one student saw these two moving across the hallway of the house, which they saw when they had got up to use the bath chamber sometime after downtime. Another said they saw these two paying close attention to one of the students in their bunk. When DO told Do about what he dreamed about them describing them the same way, DO said he thought he woke up and saw them and was told to go back to sleep so thought he dreamt it. It wasn’t long after that happened that a student who had joined in 1994 left the classroom. I can imagine that hearing these six people talk about this could have put someone to the test whether they really believed it happened and the Next Level was real. Even Neody commented that he was surprised that event had something to do with their leaving, when he ended up staying a while longer but never intended to lay down his vehicles life as they had been preparing to do since 1994 before I left them. This also speaks to how a dream is not proof. I suspect those who saw these two Members of the Next Level had raised their vibration enough to be allowed to see Them which indicated that they had completed their metamorphosis of their Minds in my opinion.
There are many more things to say about this that show how the classroom was hard to stay in but we didn’t necessarily know it until something brought our challenge to the surface and TI and DO changed so many things and instigated so many new ways of thinking about common subjects and that was combined with periods of being challenged by boredom with day to day dealing with limiting the vehicles desires for various forms of sensual experiences the Classroom didn’t satisfy much if at all. We did have pleasures but that to be in TI and DO’s program meant to only have the pleasures they provided. So we had certain food pleasures and entertainment in movies and/or music, sports, but with each by our responses during and thereafter we got to see what human activities our vehicles wanted more of or wanted to be the chooser of those pleasures and when we’d have them. Here are a few areas that provided constant testing:
Partnerships:
TI and/or DO assigned us partners, fellow students who would ask one another for their help if there was anything they saw the other saying or doing that they thought wasn’t according to TI and DO’s teachings. That wasn’t always very defined. So there was often either conflict between partners – verbally or too much of an attraction so that one might not ever bring up anything to one’s partner as who wants to be critical of someone our vehicles feel chemistry with. Or some partners were hypercritical of others so someone partnered with them never got a break from hearing their criticisims of the other. So there were partnerships that just didn’t work and a lot of times that would be discovered by one partner or the other writing a note to TI and DO to express what they are dealing with in regards to their partner and sometimes they would tough it out, talk to their partner about it or TI and DO would talk to one or the other and/or would change the partnership. I remember when DO talked about being partnered with Nrrody being difficult because she was so quick to bring things up to her partner, that for someone to stay with her and receive what she was saying could mean accellerated growth from. And it didn’t mean that everything a partner brought up was automatically considered something to work on but it was to be considered to see “if the shoe fit”.
Countenence:
We were expected to show a “pleasant” countenence at all times not happy go lucky nor down in the dumps, regardless of what we were going through, physically and/or mentally. Now that didn’t mean there was no sensitivity to what someone might be dealing with in those regards. But because of that it became very hard to hide a vibration that differred from that.
Continuing with the critique of the Vanity Fair article:
The group is described as going through a “journey from innocuous New Age movement to isolated doomsday cult”.
Sawyer:
If one read many of the reports and articles from 1975 when TI and DO first attracted followers (they weren’t so pleased to have then) they were hardly seen as “innocuous” as people left homes and spouses and even made arrangements with relatives to take care of children. If one reads UFO Missionaries Extraordinary, you’ll see that some of the loved ones of those who were joining were quite fearful what their loved one was up to. Now some of that was stimulated by some who joined initially sending notes home to their loved ones that “you will never see me again”. Even when Irsody said that to her parents on the telephone I wondered if DO would have approved of doing that as in the many telephone calls we made about once or twice a year from 1985 to 1993 the purpose of making the call was to “calm anxiety” of loved ones not make it worse for them. (That’s what I’m sure TI was doing with Terrie, her vehicle’s daughter with letters and some funds).
And they never really became what people think of as a doomsday cult like Glynn Washington tried to compare to the Christian denomination he grew up with. I never felt dooms-dayish. We didn’t sit around talking about the end of the world or how humans would be punished for their sins, etc. We didn’t have any bible lessons except over the first 10 years one time when DO told us to bring any bibles that we had in our small library to a meeting that only he came to, as it was before TI left her vehicle. In that meeting he had us open to Revelation 12:1 and he proceeded to say he believed the “Woman” was talking about TI and that the Dragon was Lucifer. That’s all I recall him really saying about it. It was a short meeting but I’m not remembering some of it. Then in 1990 or so after DO had bought about 5-6 different kinds of bibles, as he was exploring going public again and wanted some of us who were inclined to have more versions to look at including a Strongs Concordance, Greek and Hebrew to English dictionary. He assigned me a task of studying the usage of Resurrection and I did and he had me express what I found to the Class. That was about it over 19 years. He only started talking about Recycling around 1992 as seen in the Beyond Human video tape series and in some of the documents put into periodicals at that time and on the world wide web.
Article:
“Through interviews with scholars, former cult members, and children of the deceased, viewers gain an understanding of how these 39 people came to believe a UFO was swinging by to take them to heaven, and why they needed to shed their earthly vehicles in order to hitch the ride. “
Sawyer:
I understand this is pop Americana speaking in this article but I still have to try to bring clarity to what is said. On the tiny things, the Spacecraft (UFO) that TI and DO said was coming in 1975, it wasn’t “swinging by” as if not part of a huge plan as to when, where and how the pickup was to be conducted. Nor was it “to hitch a ride”. It was a scheduled “bus” that each student needed to prove they wanted to board and be a working part of the crew, so they had to qualify to even stay in the class and the dropouts have testimonies of how TI and DO and then DO alone did not want anyone on their crew that was in it for the ride on a UFO like some actually did follow for a time to try to experience.
They never “needed to shed their earthly vehicles in order to hitch the ride” on the spacecraft (UFO). TI said, “You don’t have to die to go to Heaven” meaning the vehicle could be transformed into a Next Level vehicle just like happened to Moses (They said) and Elijah and Enoch who all took their physical bodies with them, with Jesus doing so after healing his body, not leaving it in the grave.
Question from pg. 106 of UFO Missionaries Extraordinary by Hayden Hewes and Brad Steiger:
“It has been suggested that your followers are prepared to fast to the point of starvation. Is it true that your followers must die in order to gain the price of admission to a UFO for translation, transition, to the next level above human?”
The Two: (TI and DO)
“They do not have to die any more than Moses died or Elijah died or Enoch died. They will be lifted up wherever they are. Their metamorphic conversion, their change, will be accelerated. Some short time after we go, they will be prepared to leave. When they are prepared to leave, they will be lifted up.”
TI and DO were always of a mind to think about how quickly they could thoroughly complete their metamorphic conversion task – their students’ “preparation” to exit/board a Next Level Spacecraft to begin their new life and an abundance of tasks, as a new crewmember.
So this lifting up actually did happen to their newly built Soul bodies, actually “plasma like” physical containers for the Next Level Mind they made their own.
To show that they never relingquished the idea of completing a biological vehicular metamorphosis one can examine what Jwnody wrote in 1996 in the document, “Away Team from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure,” part of the Heaven’s Gate book, still available on the Heavensgate.com website:
Jwnody:
“There are two ways that we can be relieved of our old shell at the completion of this task. One is aboard a spacecraft in a laboratory circumstance, as we head for home, and that of course, is the more desirable. But, in addition, the process of “the will” being taken through a Next Level metamorphosis requires that the individual (who’s literally becoming a new creature) be open to accepting any form of “dropping” of “that shell.” The ultimate completion of the test – completion of the metamorphosis – is to arrive at knowing that this primitive shell is nothing but an encumbrance to me. Therefore, it is part of the design for the Next Level to have the option to choose to engage, at the point of our departure, that the shell be dropped by other means if it serves their purposes to do so.”
This statement verifies that DO and Crew never changed the possability that they could leave the earth with their human vehicles. Perhaps that’s why they packed a bag and had some money as it was not uncommon to “cover your bets” when working for one’s Older Member (as DO was with TI, before, during and after the time she was in flesh (incarnate) with him). If TI wanted to heal their vehicles but just wanted them to go through that final step of showing their faith in DO and TI, to then use them on tasks right there or in some other location for some other period of time, then they were a little prepared.
This statement from Jwnody also shows they never dropped the idea that they might leave their vehicle by “other means” than by boarding a spacecraft which at the point that she wrote that in 1996 was well on the road to being accomplished by their own hand as they by then had eliminated the idea that they would exit by another human’s hand. Being quite bold in the 1994 face to face meetings all over the US was putting that to the test to see if there was much negativity towards what they were saying about DO and TI having been the same Souls who had performed the tasks of Jesus and His Father and Elijah/Moses and Jehovah and Enoch/Adam and Elohim.
And they knew they could still perform what they called the “Demonstration” – healing their human vehicles killed by humans and rising/ascending them up in the air to enter a spacecraft. That is characteristic of a converted over from Human, Next Level vehicle to heal itself in 3 1/2 days, TI said in UFO MIssionaries Extraordinary.
They never dropped the possability of a physical ascension, with their human vehicles (bodies) that had completed enough of their metamorphosis to at least receive some strata of a Next Level grown, denser than a Soul (plasma like) physical vehicle, grown on a vine, while even some of the 38 +4 might have to return to a human kingdom classroom to finish their overcoming so might get a different strata of vehicle upon graduating.
Article says:
“Applewhite, the son of a Presbyterian minister, founded the group with Bonnie Nettles. They believed they were the two witnesses mentioned in the Book of Revelation, and that their bodies would literally transform into ascended beings when they were picked up by the UFO.”
Sawyer:
No, their bodies were being transformed, transfigured (metamorphosed), converted, “changed over” into Next Level Members as they did the work in the human kingdom to separate from the human kingdom “world’s” behaviors and ways. However, TI and DO did say there would be a “final ingredient” given to graduates aboard a spacecraft, that is, if they took the vehicle with their Souls. But the metamorphosis would have been far enough along by their exit or else they wouldn’t have been allowed to exit. They said they needed to stay long enough so that the new Soul being “born” is “viable” to be able to pilot a newly grown dense physical Next Level vehicle.
TI and DO said Jesus completed his metamorphosis during the event depicted on a mountain, written in the records (scripture) as the Transfiguration, with students, John, James and Peter as witnesses where they were visited by two or more Members of the Next Level. By the way, in 1995 they were visited by Two small phosphorescent glowing Beings according to Rios’ book, “Beyond Human Mind.” It was interesting that after I left the Classroom and got back into the human world and was helped to regain some of the lost ground I’d lost to where I wanted to be of service to DO again that in examining the records I learned that the work in the records shown as “transfiguration” is from the Greek word, metamorphoo which means, “change into another form” though at that time was temporary but after receiving the final ingredient make his vehicle look different so that his students only recognized him from his voice – what he said.
It was always a spiritual (a Mind Muscle Building) tansition/conversion – change that produced “body changes” described by TI and DO as “chemical” and “biological”, again in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary:
“According to The Two, when one leaves his humanity and makes the graduation, he moves into an entirely different consciousness. His body changes just as the chrysalis changes caterpillar to butterfly. The body chemically, biologically, changes over, though it will appear the same until the crossover to the higher level had been made. Once one makes the changeover, he is in the next kingdom.
TI and DO said our vehicles would need a “final ingredient” to complete the change into a Next Level vehicle. I suspect Jesus after his vehicle was in the tomb hadn’t received that final ingredient, though he had changed over his new body into a Next Level vehicle that could heal itself, when he told Mary Magdelene, the first one to discover he had risen and met him, not to touch him as he hadn’t yet ascended to his Father in the heavens. It was after that that he showed up to the eleven and proved that he was NOT a SPIRIT but had flesh and bone still and yet had new capasities that proved to them all he had taught them. TI and DO said that we couldn’t get that kind of proof now because we have the capacity to graduate and seeing that kind of thing would interfer with growing our Minds to have the Faith and Knowing.
Jwnody writes further about that metamorphosis in Away Team….:
“The appropriate final step for those about to complete their metamorphosis is the shedding of the “shell” – the shedding of that portion of the old creature which is now close to its end. Whatever amount of new creature that is present, if it is acceptable and still working in a forward motion, will be taken into the Next Level. Theoretically, some of us will still be too “young” (undeveloped) and will require further training before we can qualify to receive an issue of a Next Level “uniform” – biological container (body). It’s possible, however, that there are several stratas of Next Level uniforms that will be issued depending on the degree of development of the mind at the completion of this task. Young minds may be issued less advanced vehicles. The all-important issue is, at what point – at what age or maturity of mind – does a soul qualify for a Next Level vehicle that would be serviceable in that new Kingdom.”
What is hard to wrap one’s head around is that the Next Level doesn’t operate in a linear manner. For example in the human kingdom when there is a teacher who makes their reputation, say in science – say in the discovery of a cure for a disease, because of the limited human thinking if that person learns new things about the disease that even changes what they once thought was a cure, they can hardly accept that or if they do hardly make it known without being seen as a fraud of some sort. They know going into the experiment that they don’t know everything about it but they proceed with what they are observing but don’t necessarily know what they don’t yet know. Often times one’s collegues will know of changes someone made to their initial discoveries but won’t have a reason to discredit the other’s first discoveries.
TI and DO always said, “change is the name of the game” and also said that, “we are just one step ahead of you (their students)”. That was in order to not leave anyone behind as we all have challenges with certain concepts and behaviors and ways that can cause us to “drag our feet” in terms of growth. Some were younger than others but TI and DO were always addressing the steps the ones growing fastest could handle easier which both helped the less experienced students to either rise to the occasion or drop out. That’s why drop outs had repeated opportunities to re-engage their overcoming process. They didn’t move faster than we were capable of keeping up with, if we asked for help when we hit a roadblock and then applied the help provided.
But TI and DO didn’t operate in that linear way humans do. They outlined how it could go – which would be according to the civilizations response to them. That’s what makes this an experiment. They know the requirements are to give our all to include our lives and for many even most all who graduated or were/are close to graduation, they knew from the beginning that one way or another they would lose this human vehicle, yet that wasn’t the intention – that wasn’t the point except by outgrowing it and converting it in every way into a new creature. For those that hadn’t completed enough of that conversion to a new creature they needed more time in the human kingdom to do so. Yet it’s never a given that they will succeed.
The purpose is to graft/bond to One’s Older Member whom we can grow to recognize more and more as we look to His lead.
So yes the metamorphosis is completed by the discarding of the human vehicle (catapillar) but that doesn’t have to happen in the human kingdom. It can happen on a spacecraft.
But it appears for an Older Member who has already become an adult member of the Next Level, their task could mean they take their physical human vehicle with them, even after healing it as Jesus demonstrated and TI and DO thought at first they would. By taking that approach their expectation was to move very quickly to take their student body into the Next Level. They don’t restrict growth so it could have happened exactly the way they at first thought but since the student body weren’t ready they changed accordingly. Now that may have been somewhat expected, even known but TI and DO acted as if they could have wrapped it all up in months from their first going public in 1975.
Article:
“Applewhite determined he was the second coming of Jesus—and that the turn of the millennium was the time to take his group to the “next level,” as they called it.”
Sawyer:
It was actually TI who determined that DO was the same Soul who had performed the task of Jesus 2000 yrs or so ago. She reveals that DO was the same Older Member Soul who did the task of Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus. This is talked about in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary and in the first book they started to write but never completed called, “I can’t Believe that but you must”. We all knew that but he didn’t come public with that perspective until the 1990’s and then formally in 1994 through many meeting posters and then finally in the document, “Undercover “Jesus” Surfaces Before Departure”.
Article:
Director of Heaven’s Gate: The Cult of Cults, Clay Tweel reflects on the scenario of one leader claiming to have sole access to truth, that everything else is fake news and only he knows what’s really going on, and that he’s the only person who can fix anything. “As the cult of personality around Donald Trump has grown, the parallels become stronger,” he said.
Sawyer: There is no comparison of Trump with DO. DO never said he knew all that was really going on in the world. I don’t even know if Trump said that. DO didn’t claim to be only one with the truth about ????. No, DO specialized in How to become a Member of the Kingdom of Heaven, not anything else. DO only addressed the misinformation in the news about He and TI and there was a bunch. The entire booklet called “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew” addresses those inaccuracies. He never called that fake news yet there certainly were cases of fake news. For instance the story of how He and Ti met. Then there is the story that Heaven’s Gate was a CIA MKUltra experiment in mind control. That’s a lie or call it fake news that some people still believe. DO never said HE would fix anything. He said the Next Level would recycle the planet which would restore it to becoming a working “garden” again for a new civilization. But there were many things He and TI admitted they didn’t know.
Article:
Lorne Dawson talks about how the “Recent phenomena like QAnon share disturbing similarities with the doomsday groups that have preceded them, including Heaven’s Gate. “The same language is there,” Dawson said. “‘Trust the plan. Enjoy the show.’ The idea that it’s all about to wrap up and the bad guys will be punished. Trump is a Messiah figure here to drain the swamp.”
Sawyer: What a huge stretch. There is a huge body of information in the records of people talking about what this person is calling the “wrap up” and the bad guys being punished thousands of years ago. In the history book, the compilation called the Bible there are many, many examples of that talk, so does that make them all like Trump and QAnon? There have also been many who claimed to be prophets of God that clearly were not and one of them might be Trump, I don’t know if he makes that claim.
Article:
“Reza Aslan explains the theory of cognitive dissonance as it applies to failed prophecies. Basically, since the brain doesn’t like holding contradictory beliefs, it will bring divergent ideas back into consonance—either by accepting that a prophecy was false, or by creating an explanation for why the end will come later instead or in a different way. The latter happened in the case of Heaven’s Gate.”
Sawyer:
As I’ve outlined earlier in this document anticipating this part of the article little really changed that wasn’t built to be changed. They did leave the planet and it did happen with a rendevous with an amazing Comet called Hale Bopp (Hale BO Peep even). And they did demonstrate changing their vehicles (bodies) to where even their vehicles became one with the Mind that took them over and wanted to serve in whatever way it could which even meant ready to lay down it’s life by one’s own hand. By the way Jesus taught this when he said, “no man takes it from me” (his life). He said, “I have the authority to lay it down and to take it up again, because I go to the Father”. That’s why he had the right to lay it down, because His Father on a Spacecraft at the time gave him that authority and actually even the instruction as was expressed while he was tranfigured on the mountain.
It’s interesting that I never needed to justify changes but many people don’t understand that there is more than exists that they can’t see around us and throughout the Universe that some can “see” even physically at times see, but that is thought absurd by many.
Article:
“In 1985 Nettles succumbed to cancer. How can a body turn into an alien if the body no longer exists? “When Nettles dies, it undermines the entire point of the bodily transformation,” Aslan says in the series. “And now it’s a spiritual transformation. We are going to leave our bodies behind.” He speculates that the group would not have ended in mass suicide if she’d lived. Just as the members of Heaven’s Gate looked to Applewhite for direction, so Applewhite looked to Nettles. Once he stopped receiving her guidance, the group changed in fundamental, extreme ways.”
Sawyer:
First off, TI and Do’s teaching of Human Individual Metamorphosis was something the students would need to do as TI and DO had already learned all about that from many incarnations before the earth even existed.
Interesting again that for the 38 +4 plus myself and Crlody and Steward and Pypody and Jhnody and others who dropped out but still believe in TI and DO, TI’s early exit didn’t dissuade them, yet evidence suggests they are all quite independent thinkers who question so much of what they are told but for some reason hardly if at all questioned what TI and DO said, or even if they did got past it, or they wouldn’t still believe in Them. How can that be explained by staying in the human “box”. It can’t and that’s why some people counted by others to be experts so clearly miss the mark in their opinions. Truth be told, as TI and DO said, many were given that “chip of recognition” and that explains why they have it, though they also had to grow that chip’s programming as it’s not like a religion of believe and get the rewards. It means they have to work like crazy to maintain and grow their belief into knowing and that’s by doing the disciplines and very importantly working for TI and DO – “Standing in their Defense” as this is one tiny example of.
Article:
“Such cognitive dissonance is happening now in the QAnon community. Its leader, the anonymous Q, had predicted a red wave—but then Trump lost the election. And QAnon went silent for 11 days. “People were freaking out,” Dawson said, “like, ‘We need our prophetic leader to explain this disconcerting stuff.’” Now it’s been 26 days and counting since a Q drop. Will followers accept the prophecy as false—or dig in their heels? Q, though silent, appears not to have backed down yet. Two of its last three posts include this ominous prediction: “Nothing can stop what is coming.”
Sawyer:
TI and DO were never cryptic. They said what they knew and they didn’t pretend to know more than they knew and they knew what they didn’t know and they knew where to go to learn what they didn’t know. A lot of QAnon is in my opinion gibberish. However, on that last statement, I sort of agree by saying that Nothing Human or Space Alien can stop what is coming. The Next Level Above Human (TI and DO as Administrator of the Earth according to DO and as Captain on TI’s Crew (according to TI) can change a course they were once on as they don’t answer to any of us and TI and Do while incarnate demonstrated that, made no excuses for changes and said that “change is the name of the game”. See, they said they were undercover and the way it works was that they designed ahead of time an outline of the Classroom’s precedings. They planned from the start to move the student body more quickly to being graduation ready. But they said this was a Next Level experiment. What made it an experiment as I’ve said, was not knowing how the humans would respond, meaning how the vehicles with Souls trying to take them over would respond and how fast they would choose to grow.
They could only move as fast as the slowest student. So they were prepared to change what they first thought, even many times. They were willing to even appear to not be who they knew they were as a test because they don’t need any of us but to join Their Crew we NEED Them. That’s why for many of those who stayed the course none of the changes threatened them as they had grown in their Minds to recognize TI and DO, though they still needed to do the work of bringing that recognition into the human vehicles they were helped to pick and prep for that task.
**** Supplemental pieces from UFO Missionaries Extraordinary ****
Question on pg. 129:
When you say all must be overcome, are you saying that the metamorphosis has to be totally completed?
The Two: Except for the final ingredient, which will be given to you at that time.
from page 89:
“The only reason Jesus repappeared to his disciples after his death was to tell them he was flesh and bone. He was not spirit. He didn’t have to be crucified and rise from the dead. He just proved that he’d changed over into another creature that could even heal it’s body and take it with him into the next level.
Now the whole world has twisted what he said into believing that if we’re good little boys and girls and go faithfully to the grave we’ll get some little spirit body that can go to the heavens; and it’s an illusion. You do not have to die.”
So let’s look at the entire context of what TI and DO were teaching in 1974 til they exited their vehicles.
As they wrote in UFO Missionaries Extraordinary in the “Statement from The Two,” They went through the history of the Next Level’s interfacing with humans through incarnations since the start of this civilizations experiment. They wrote that DO was the same Older Members Soul from the Kingdom of God (Hebrew: Elohim, Deities, Judges, Magistrates) who was recorded by Moses as Adam, who failed when under the influence from the lower forces (space alien fallen angel, Lucifer, who was provided by the Next Level to give Souls being brought back to have that experience so they could potentially overcome Lucifer and his associates influence on them as TI said the “bar is being raised” to get into Next Level Membership. DO said that Adams first failure was not being satisfied being alone working on a task for his Older Member. So because of his failures which included trying to hide what he was doing, thus also was deceitful he was left on earth to hopefully gain experience working against those Lower Forces and he did and his vehicle died but his Soul remained and incarnatated into the vehicle known as Enoch.
Enoch left the earth with his human vehicle which means it was changed over. His vehicle did not die. They said that Moses vehicle didn’t die either but was taken and so was the case for Elijah after Moses and then Jesus brought the graduation requirements and his Older Member chose for him to lay down his vehicle to show future students what they would have to do to graduate in one way or another, by another’s hand or if required at the time by one’s own hand.
Here’s is one of the primary places Jesus stated he was going to choose to lose his own vehicles life (lay it down) – allowing humans to become the instruments of his exit from that part of the task.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
TI said Jesus didn’t have to die because they said by the time of the Transfiguration when he was visited his metamorphic changeover was complete (except for that final ingredient he seemed to get after he healed his vehicle and visited with the Father as he told Mary Magdelene “not to touch him”.
Here is some additional information about how to think about the way TI and Do spoke the truth the entire time they were hear even thought things changed but never changed in a way to negate anything they initially said and did:
From “Away Team” from Deep Space Surfaces Before Departure By Jwnody
“There are two ways that we can be relieved of our old shell at the completion of this task. One is aboard a spacecraft in a laboratory circumstance, as we head for home, and that of course, is the more desirable. But, in addition, the process of “the will” being taken through a Next Level metamorphosis requires that the individual (who’s literally becoming a new creature) be open to accepting any form of “dropping” of “that shell.” The ultimate completion of the test – completion of the metamorphosis – is to arrive at knowing that this primitive shell is nothing but an encumbrance to me. Therefore, it is part of the design for the Next Level to have the option to choose to engage, at the point of our departure, that the shell be dropped by other means if it serves their purposes to do so.”
Sawyer note: Notice the first method of being relieved of their old shell (human vehicle) is AFTER they have boarded a physical Next Level spacecraft.
In other words “You do not have to die” to enter into Next Level Membership as TI and DO said in 1976.
Then Jwnody goes on to say:
“But, in addition, the process of “the will” being taken through a Next Level metamorphosis requires that the individual (who’s literally becoming a new creature) be open to accepting any form of “dropping” of “that shell.”
Sawyer note: This brings to light that the metamorphosis is the process “the will” is taken through. Our “will” in this context is what is developing potentially in all human vehicles as we make choices that are Next Level choices. On a very elementary lesson step, when we refuse to have anything to do with a human justifying killing another human as Moses provided and as Jesus re-iterated, we are using Their Next Level Mind and making it our Next Level Mind. When that adds up in our vehicles and gets “over 50%”* then all our decesions could be based on Next Level provided information and it might be said then that we have taken over our human vehicle and “changed” it into a new creature sufficiently – the butterfly (in TI and DO’s analogy they provided in 1974 until their exit of their human shells).
This same change or adjustment, clarification of thinking that the metamorphosis wasn’t in this “Third Trimester” graduation classroom relative to our human vehicles is shown in the document DO wrote called “’88 Update – The UFO Two and Their Crew”:
“Prior to 1981, their understanding was that they were working toward graduation from the human kingdom into the Next Level, and that this graduation process involved physically changing over their human vehicles (metamorphosing) into Next Level vehicles. They now believe that in reality they were in the Kingdom of Heaven before entering these human bodies. But because of the present awareness of their Next Level consciousness, they know that they are in that Kingdom now, though occupying human vehicles in order to do a task”.
Sawyer: We need to catch (rapture)/capture/snatch/take over a human vehicle so that our Minds that had been through one or more previous trimesters (incarnations) of growth towards graduation (with Moses and/or with Jesus and now with TI and DO) can grow from experience overcoming addictions, ties and bonds to our humanness behaviors and ways.
Here is an example of what the task is for all returning Souls and as Jwnody said they are still here (after their exit) with:
“Three reasons we are here: 1. Strengthen Next Level Mind 2. Deposit thoughts 3. Getting a Vehicle” (From the tape log for tapes 17 and 18 dated 9/27/82)
But if it was all about the metamorphosis of the Will, the Mind/Spirit content and power of the Soul having more than 50% of that Next Level Above Human Older Members “Holy” Mind/Spirit in us, why did TI and DO talk about it as pertaining to the human vehicle at first. The answer to that, I believe is how the human vehicle was also changing, if only to cooperate with the Soul that was trying to get “your Mind into your vehicle” as TI often reminded us of. TI and DO said in 1976 and thereafter that we would be stimulating “body changes,” but I don’t recall Their ever saying which body, the Soul body and/or the human body. I was puzzled by that as with many things. But as DO said somewhere in the Beyond Human tapes, that his vehicle had even grown to be a servant of the Next Level by stepping aside from the Spirit/Mind of the vehicle to allow that Next Level Mind/Spirit to come in and control the vehicle and even enjoy that service. Sure it would buck like a horse does but that shows that even it goes through some degree of body changes.
*re: percentages of Next Level Mind (Spirit, information leading to Next Level Membership) from Beyond Human – The Last Call – Session 5:
“Do: Oh, that’s right. Okay. In a previous session, I began to try to explain to you how any member of the Kingdom of Heaven, whether in the Kingdom of Heaven or even having left the physical aspect of the Kingdom of Heaven to return to the human kingdom for a task for the Heavenly Kingdom, is a trinity within themselves. They are a Father to Sons. They are a Son to a Father or Fathers. But we never got to the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost aspect of the Trinity. You’ve probably figured out that the way that parallel, or illustration of the Trinity – Father, Son, Holy Spirit – applies, is in the percentages in that soul/pillowcase of what kind or quality of mind is in the majority of that “mind substance.” That is, how much mind is of our Father’s Kingdom – Pure mind, Holy Mind. It doesn’t mean that it’s 100%. It means that the percentage is so great that the minority seldom rules. The majority rules. The majority controls. The majority I’m referring to is that portion of that mind that occupies that space in that soul. So, in that sense we have a Father to Sons (or younger members, or someone pursuing or making a transition from the human kingdom into the Kingdom of Heaven). We have a Son who has a Father or also a Grandfather, and calls them “Father,” “Father in Heaven,” or calls them “Teacher,” or calls them by name if they have a personal relationship with one who is in that position to relate to them. And then also that individual – if their mind has over 50 percent – when it takes a vote on any issue, the good rules. Even though sometimes the minority really shouts loud trying to get a voice, they have learned to have the majority rule. Therefore, that spirit or that mind that is occupying that space in that soul, is Holy Spirit, is Pure Spirit, and is in control.”
Here is Crlody’s blog post re: parts of the vanity fair article:
Reza Aslan’s B.S. theory about Heaven’s Gate and the ridiculous attempts to equate the class with Trump supporters
Sawyer Stands for Ti & Do's Heaven's Gate 