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Some Q & A from National Geographics Channel interview of Sawyer for Heaven’s Gate Documentary aired in 2008

February 17, 2011

To follow is a question and answer session with a documentary writer who is working on behalf of National Geographic Channel. They aired a Heaven’s Gate documentary in the fall of 2008. I was interviewed for the production. They were attempting to deliver an unbiased perspective – a huge undertaking that in an hour can hardly touch the entire story but is a worthy effort that I applaud.

I know some follow these snippets I write. For those who want more background information about Ti and Do and what they were really about and why they did what they did as the media, as usual, harped on what was easiest to cover and didn’t challenge too many by delving into how closely it resembled the historic Jesus/Moses/Enoch stories.

I’m going to let this fly now but if you haven’t the foggiest idea what I’m taking about, do a search for “Ti and Do” with or Heaven’s Gate and/or visit anytime, but live on the internet airwaves, generally Thursday nights 11pm to 12am or 12:30am EST. The site has archives of past shows and a blog and even some of the music I write and perform. I am sending you these snippets that are clearly raw because I don’t have time to polish it up and if I wait until I can I will never say anything because there are discarnates that hate everything about Ti and Do.

My aim is to show that no one need feel threatened by what Ti and Do said and what they did by laying down their bodies to final sleep in the gentlest way they knew how which was for most of them a 22 year decision that was in their Faith in God the ultimate creator (using evolutionary processes within laws of physics) of all we deem reality.

I know the whole Heaven’s Gate thing was bizarre for most but some could feel that it wasn’t the same thing as Jonestown or Solar Temple or The Moonies or Children of God or David Koresh and certainly has no relationship to Michael Travessor and for that matter no religion either. Religions are mans creation and it never accurately represents what acually happened to stimulate it. That’s why the world is an illusion as is said Maya in Hindi I believe, but those in India who read this please correct me. It’s because we build ourselves bigger than life and yet when that life goes away we are only left with residue – a spirit that is the vibrational voltage output of our flesh system.

The Kingdom of God sees all of us as their children and knows what we are capable of so doesn’t force us to grow any faster than we want to. This is why we are given lots of opportunities to take a baby step closer than before. I’m here to say you won’t be disappointed at any stage. The practical aspect to belief in Ti and Do has nothing to do with me or any human organization or membership or club or cult or answering to any human being of which I too know I am clearly the same. I say that as we’ve heard some say they feel like they are from this planet and that. I can’t actually speak to the accuracy of that but I am not one of those.

It is my understanding that Ti and Do will return with those that graduated their classroom to pickup those that want to go with them. If we die before they return, believing in them then they see that and take your spirit to them for safe keeping. Some who believe in them and are in body when they come, as they will come in a physical way this time will also go with them for safe keeping possibly with their body as well – taken up just as Jesus was. Those who believe in them but don’t feel ready to go with them in body can stay on the Earth to help others. There will be hard times compared to what many have grown accustomed. I could be wrong but suspect however Ti and Do show up, in whatever type of craft it will make ufo’s and any space aliens look insigificant and primitive and will affect the entire planets electromagnetic field, what the spirit level frequencies exist against. Many are picking up on this and preparing to live without electricity and not wasting time getting into the mountains and engaging in farming for survival in real community efforts.

I am not a doomsdayer – This experience will prove to be the greatest experience ever to have occurred during this current civilization and no one is ever forced or conived or deceived or coaxed beyond this kind of blowing of the horn.
Doc writers question:

In response to Ti and Do appearing to fade in and out at the Waldport meeting:

Sawyer said:

I saw a haze in the room and // it was like around the stage and around them.
Sawyer offers no explanation for the strange occurrence.
Sawyers response:

I was seated about 1/3 of the way from the front and to the right of the stage so I had some view of about 1/2 of the audience. I didn’t notice the haze at the start of the meeting. I first noticed it hovering over the audience like midway between their heads and the ceiling. I would have guessed the ceiling to be around 9 foot. Nearly simultaneously I noticed it was all around the stage above and to the side of where Bo and Peep were sitting and right behind them. The room was not lit brightly and the stage had a light above Ti and Do which is what created the contrasting visual. I couldn’t be sure where it originated but from my vantage point it seemed more dense nearer the stage but that could have been due to lighting and where I sat. At the time I made no conclusion as to it’s origin or construct. I guess it could have been smoke but don’t recall a smoke smell, which I was very conscious of normally as I was a smoker for about 3 years, having not smoked for 4 or so by then which tends to heighten one’s sensitivity to smoke and it’s odor. There were no ceiling fans in the room nor was I aware of any air movement like from a ventilation system. At the time it didn’t occur to me that this was what people used to call an aura or halo affect so it didn’t stand out to me as something supernatural. I just logged is as a curiosity though I did tell some people about it sometime later.
I saw that haze again at the meeting Ti and Do gave at Arapaho Community College in Denver less than a month later and I noticed it at times around classmates when we gave public meetings – not all the time and not nearly as pronounced as in the Waldport meeting which was the first time I’d ever seen anything like that. The Arapahoe meeting was in a large lecture room and it was well lit. I was sitting on the floor in front of the seating that was stadium styled so that I was looking upward to Ti and Do. From that point I was not aware of any haze anywhere else, but I wasn’t turning my head around, but what I did see was clearly around them and it didn’t look like smoke at all, but something electromagnetic for lack of a better description.

There was certainly a surreal sense about that meeting and especially when the overflow crowd seemed to be stirring. I can’t pinpoint it and wasn’t really that aware of it consciously until a women shouted out very loudly, “you ought to be shot”, which I believe came on the heals of when Bo (Do) spoke about having to “leave all behind” and may have even listed family and children, saying children could not make such a decision.

And it’s interesting that so many groups are compared to Ti and Do’s but almost all have children which is a huge distingtion. Also most who took their lives in some way did so involuntarily – like in Jonestown where they were forced at gunpoint or hunted down in the woods and in the solar temple where some were coaxed and guilted into such committment. I know for a fact and every former member can testify should they be asked that no such thing ever happened in Ti and Do’s classroom. Sure they believed and took to heart what they felt their position and task was and there was always a sense that one would fail to leave but that was NEVER a part of any so called sermon they gave as is common in Christian and other religious sermons where the leader get all worked up into a big theatrical act. Ti and Do NEVER put on airs or spoke above a normal tone, nor with over the top voice inflection. Plus other groups didn’t have as part of their curriculum near the practical self disciplines – and over so broad a spectrum of human sensory participation. We didn’t do any group prayer (Which Jesus was clearly against as well) -We had next to no ceremony, though one year did put up a christmas tree and certainly had routines but the routines were rarely with symbolisms – one of the only times symbolisms were used was in their last days in their human vehicles – the purple shrouds and the nike sneakers and such but that was not for them, that was for us to ponder.
Doc writers question:

In October, 1975:
Applewhite and Nettles tell their new followers they will be traveling cross country and living outdoors, on campgrounds.

Sawyers response:
This was shortly after we did the 5 or 6 simultaneously scheduled meetings in the Denver/Boulder areas. Close to 70 of us, having increased our numbers from the Colorado meetings, where by the way the FBI sought Ti and Do thinking they/we were responsible for the very strange cattle mutilations that had plagued Colorado and Wyoming and Oklahoma near that time which also had ufo sightings in association, were camping at Cherry Creek. One day we had an internal meeting at the Denver town clerks building which seemed so strange. We were told our next task was to head to Chicago. We were told we’d  have to “test” our way there, a challenge for us and a way to see if churches who profess service to God and those in God’s service would help us. We were grouped according to the available cars. I was in group with Jnnody (one of the 39),  her partner who left the group in 1976, my partner dndody who left in the 1980’s and myself were in one car. We were given a full tank of gas and a little food and had already been equipt with sleeping bags, small two person tents, foam pads to lay on a couple cotts and coleman stoves with a pan and some utensils so we could always camp should we not find accomodations en route. Our instruction from Bo and Peep was to ask people to help us with our needs but the focus was on Christian churches. We were told to simply say we are traveling through doing work for the Lord or however we wanted to express it and to state our exact need. “We are out of gas – can you help us? for instance or “we are in need of some food”. We wouldn’t ask for money as we did not need money though some chose to give us money to buy gas and supplies while others sent us to a gas station that had an account with the church.
Doc writers question:

Some are living in the cold and rain without tents; some have resorted to eating out of dumpsters.

Sawyers response:

From my experiences this came later and was individual choices not instruction from Ti and Do. In fact when they found out that some had resorted to eating out of dumpsters they were upset by that. Upset didn’t mean yelling or shaking a finger at the perpetrators. They simply said they would not have approved of doing so.

On the way to Chicago though, we on a few nights did sleep in our sleeping bags under the stars but it didn’t rain that time, but I would imagine some were caught in the rain at times – again little that people did in those early days on the road in 1975-76 were with Ti and Do’s direct or implied instruction. Many didn’t have hardly any contact with Ti and Do while on the road – my case is clearly one of those from October of 1975 to May of 1976.

A case in point: when I and others ended up detached from Ti and Do and any organization at one point I was taveling in a van with 5-6 others and we had no tents. My partner and I had lost our car, actually the third of forth we had been using, some being donated by other members. Our last car broke down in Vermont and the police took us to the station to investigate us and were trying to charge us to have the car towed. They searched us and after 3-4 hours let us go, which put us on foot and hitchhiking, though when we got to Montpelier we met up with others who we had pre-arranged to meet having come from the meetings we organized in the Boston area. That’s when we hooked up with some in a Van. At that time we stayed with a family for 3 or so days but then would find other places to sleep – in a church or at a park. For a while we were eating cold canned food we received from churches and slept out in the open and did get rained on maybe once before scampering into the van. I awoke a number of times with a wet sleeping bag from frost and on at least one occasion with an inch or two of snow over my sleeping bag. That became a signal to get out of the north – as the Montpelier meeting was poorly attended and there were factions within our group that were very hard to deal with. One person went by the name John the Baptist and another by Lightborn – we had internal group meetings to make decisions and Lightborn especially was viing for control to a point of which he would not agree with any concensus and I did lose my cool one time while we were meeting in a tennis court of a park where we were using just as a place to talk in the Boston area, where I told him if he couldn’t work within the group – if he always had to have adamant contrary ideas then perhaps he should leave. I wasn’t the leader though I had had more experiences with Ti and Do, however limited that was at that time it was more than most of the others that had hooked into our groups in those early days, most of which who soon fell away. Dandy (later Dndody) and I eventually ended up in the same car with John the Baptist and Lightborn who were partners and we only had more problems as they were trying to split up our partnership. They thought we had become attached to one another but Dndody and I felt that since Ti and Do put us together as a partnership they would have to be the ones to split us up. Others like lightborn and John the Baptist were not partnered by Ti and Do as they came to the group by meetings given by fellow students at the time after we were scattered about that lasted until late June of 1976.

(But sleeping out of doors was not that strange for me as I had, before joining, hitchhiked cross country three times and spent many a night sleeping in all sorts of places to name a few – the side of the road, in the bushes on the grounds of the state capital in Austin Texas, in the bushes on the ground of the Berkley campus and on the roof of the free clinic in Berkley, in Ken Kesey’s infamous warehouse in San Francisco, in the woods among the redwoods, etc.)

The dumpster episode I recall was short lived. We had just split up into about 6 groups while we were staying in the Chain O’ Lakes park north of Chicago which was where the national news broke that revealed the names of the “mysterious two”.

The group I was with consisted of two cars with about 8-10 of us between them. We were instructed by Bo and Peep to head south to Oklahoma. We were actually all going to meet up there and only two members of our group were told the destination to protect against being followed as it was in this campground that Rob Balch and David Taylor were discovered as infiltrators. We met up in Oklahoma at a reseviour with another couple groups and the group leaders which I was not & got instructions to continue our meetings in the New Mexico and Phoenix areas. When we got to Phoenix at times we were hungry and often without a car, we’d pick up dates that fell from the date palms that were all along the roads and were ripe at that time. We had exhaused the churches so a few of us, as funny as it sounds, one was our group leader, Prsody who was one of the 39 and was at that time I’d say in her early 50’s and certainly not a vagrant type of person, well groomed and a responsible grandmother before she joined, said she found perfectly good donuts still in boxes in the dumpster behind Dunkin Donuts. So we tried it and walla, perfectly clean and eatable donuts – so we ate donuts on 3-4 occasions but that for whatever reason was the only time I so called “ate out of dumpsters”, that is until I met my current partner who showed me perfectly good organic veggies in a dumpster in Woodstock NY, behind the natural foods market – not anything wrong with them, but thrown out so we would carefully take what we could use and clean it up and consume it.

Doc writers question:

After the media attention from the Waldport meeting 1975, regarding Ti and Do’s whereabouts:
The bad publicity forces them underground. They will not be seen or heard from again for several months – not even by their own followers, who continue to spread the message in their leaders’ absence.
Do you have any idea where they may have gone during that time?
Sawyers response:
I guess the bad publicity spoken of here was the national news that broke their human identities as Marshall and Bonnie. They were in Los Vegas at that time when that became news. They told us they stayed in their hotel room for 3-4 days feeling like they would not be able to show their faces, fearing arrest and an end to the task they felt so strongly was theirs to follow through with. They felt “shot down” at that moment. However, they picked themselves up and decided they must continue so headed to Chicago to give their 70 or so students the next instruction which was to split up. I can not speak for other groups. I know Ti and Do were traveling in their own car but as a group with 6 students, three partnerships.
The group I was with, as I said went to Oklahoma, then Sante Fe and then Phoenix, then Berkley. At that point 6 of us headed for the east coast and did the meeting at Worchester, Mass. It was not before june of 1976 that I with my partner who ended up hitchiking back and forth accross the mid section of the US giving little meetings at every chance seemingly accidentally (though the night before, in Arkansas I was moreorless screaming to God to help me see the next step) ran into that group of 6 helpers and Ti and Do at the meeting they gave at the library in oklahoma city.
Ti and Do were glad to see us and assigned us a group that was part of the network as were 5 or 6 other groups. It seems the core stayed together for most of that time and only a few got  totally detached.
Doc writers question:
What is the significance of the name Total Overcomers Anonymous? :
Sawyers response:

At the time we were looking at the 12 step programs – alcholics anonymous but mostly sexahaulics anonymous and sex and love addicts anonymous, not to become members but to see if we could help it’s members. Ti and Do felt they were trying to overcome their addictions and that was good, but that all too often they were further substantiating their addiction by constantly referring to themselves as once an addict always an addict and by recounting the details of the harm they did to themselvs and others along with some graphic descriptions of how addicted they were.

Ti and Do knew we had fairly successfully had our bodies under our control. We were not perfect but that part of the way to conquer any addictio is to not focus on it, not give it energy, put it out of your mind – even your thoughts to where you become the total controller of every thought and action you have. Ti and Do had some of us go to some of the groups to offer what we had learned to them, but they saw us as “know it alls”. Alxody, Nancy Browns son was one that went to one of their meetings to present what we knew about overcoming addictions and in particular to sexuality/sensuality.
That was the anonymous part, but it was also because it did not excentuate the “self” – we were make up of anonymous members.

The total overcomer part had to do with as jesus said “overcoming the world”. All things human are roots of human and there is nothing wrong with them that is until one tastes of what else there is which only occurs when a member from that higher above human kingdom gives us a seed that is a smelling salt that enables further recognition of the Kingdom of God’s reality as opposed to it being an imagined place – or a spirit world. Jesus said he had overcome the world and that those who choose to follow him MUST do as he did and thus overcome the world. The world is more or less everything and includes even our physical lives eventually though not all have that calling at the same time. There are grades in school that eventually when followed bring us to overcoming ALL -all relationships, all likes and lislikes, all security, all luxury, all pleasures, all careers and even our innate desire to “live” as a human being.

We took that name at the release of the Beyond Human video tape series so people could write to us if they wanted to ask questions.
Doc writers question:
September, 1994, after Do first mentions that the group may have to take it upon themselves to exit:
Only two members decide to quit the group.  Most others feel too invested to give up.
Please confirm that you decided to leave the group of your own volition after having reservations about remaining in the group.
Sawyers response:

Yes I absolutely left the group of my own volition but to say it was after having reservations about remaining in the group is misleading implying that those “reservations” if we want to call them that were related to the impending self administered “exit”.

But first…I don’t believe the statement “…most others feel too invested to give up”, accurately depicts a significant percentage of anyone’s mindset.

I can only say that considering the committment and internal battles I had, the committment of which I demonstrated on a number of occasions that entailed willingly “giving up my physical life” to as Jesus said to have a much richer and fuller life after a “spirit birth” in the Physically natured strata above human that is in circulation among the physical stars and planets and city sized spacecrafts that are part of the Kingdom of God.
Fact: After having joined I had been clearly willing to give my life at least twice before – once in delivering unpopular materal to the public when the press mistakenly printed on the cover page in Liberal, Kansas, where my partner Dandy and I were apart from the larger group and any contact with Ti and Do, were holding meetings while hitchiking around, following departure from the northern Vermont country. We had given the newspaper the Ti and Do information to get publicity for the meeting we had arranged at the public library in Liberal. The newspaper printed our pictures saying we were the two witnesses who would be killed and would demonstrate being resurrected – raised to eternal life and the details of the meeting and some of the content of our talk which included references to Ti and Do being of the same family as Jesus. So this would have been seen as extremely blastphemous. The day or two before the meeting Dandy and I saw the newspaper and I remember we were both freightened that we might be killed. Of course no one was taking us nearly as seriously as we took all this so that wasn’t going to happen, but nonetheless we were faced with it and decided we must continue to hold the meeting. We did and the first thing I said to the 50 or so people who came was that we were NOT the two witnesses. We were their students. However after that and in many other settings as I spoke at meetings all over the country during that 8-9 months in church after church I was literally told to leave and never come back, told I was representing satan and were harrassed by police to the point of Dandy being put in jail for a couple hours in Tenessee somewhere and then again in 1993 when Jwnody and I were going to be sent out by Do to do a public mission on behalf of the classroom, that turned into the entire classroom doing so in 1994 of which I was a primary speaker and group leader who many times said bold things at meetings that were met with significant anger against us.

Then there was the time in the spring of 1991 that we had sold all our house living stuff and were again living in tents and trailors and had moved from New Mexico to Arizona to begin a fast in the Arizona dessert 30 miles or so west of Phoenix with intent to “go out” OR to be “picked up” by Ti in a spacecraft. Do cancelled the fast after two weeks. That fast had begun as zero food and zero drink and after a couple days Do added water which then continued for two weeks. I clearly remember barely having the energy to walk around as we were still active in a camping environment during the fast, even still selling some of our household belongings at a local phoenix flea market which entailed going to our storage rooms in phoenix and loading up a small 1 ton truck we had and taking the stuff, furniture and household things to the flea market, setting it all up and staying all day, though in two hour shifts, while still maintaining our living standards at the camp that entailed hauling lots of water (though without food preperation was minimal) and then packing it all up and returning to the camp. We did this several days in a row during that two weeks. At that time our numbers had strunk to about 25 + Do.

My point is that during this time I anticipated losing my life. I recall climbing into the top bunk in the trailer where I slept, barely able to do so, out of weakness and curling up to sleep in very hot weather not knowing what to expect but not thinking any thoughts of quitting or what investment I had til then. I was naturally a little wary of what I might experience but not having any thoughts that this was madness nor something I had reservations about doing. I did not have doubts of who Ti and Do were – at least not doubts that stood out and I had by then 15 years of experience with Ti and Do in many settings that in one way or another told me they cared about us a great deal and would not do anything to harm us, but we all by then felt quite conscious that we were not the physical body alone. At that time I was not even that aware of how much Jesus had talked about the seperation of mind and body and how his teachings were further seperating the two so that eventually we had next to zero care for the body relative to those who think their body is all who they are so will not put any priority to living according to their non-flesh perspective. And that is understandable as had I not been given the opportunity to see that I too would have been purely beholding to my body’s every like and dislike, though within reason still according to past guidelines given by members of the Next Level through the teachings of Moses for example.

Right after that fasting experience, a few months after was another major area to where my retorick was put to the test. How we got to this next point is a long story but it was when Do offerred what srrody and I had said we wanted on many occasions in notes and in person to person talking and this was the first castration. Did I have reservations about doing that? Well, yes and no. Do asked me directly person to person. I said my vehicle was not looking forward to it and in that way had a reservation but that I was clearly wanting to override my vehicle and follow through with it. It had nothing to do with any “investment” I felt at that time. However it did put me to the test as we all know how talk can be so cheap and even unintentionally convienient a way to get to do or not do something. We did have a policy of: “if in doubt don’t” taught to us about taking action when we couldn’t check with our Older Member and when it was an irreversible action especially.

I cringed more years earilir when Ti suggested having all my teeth pulled out and replaced with dentures, as was done with Smmody (Betty Deal) as a practical economic decision. I remember thinking…I hope she is not serious. I had just had two partials created to replace many teeth I’d had pulled before joining the classroom and some since. No, I did not have all my teeth pulled out. It was never brought up again.

But the idea that we did deal with what “investment” we felt is not absent of accuracy either. It is very difficult to say that generally about anyone unless they told us and many might not know. It’s far easier looking back to see what we thought that is IF we divested ourselves enough to not remain bias to support whatever cause we are in debted to on some way. Maybe it’s the way I’m hearing that phrase about “investment”. Hear’s what I mean.

There are no doubts that all have shades of doubt big and small that surface in many ways. In this case what doubts people entertained depended on how well they disciplined the content of their own thoughts. Ti and Do could not control our thoughts. They didn’t want to. They wanted us to control our own thoughts. In about 1980 we traveled to Biloxi, MS and were still living outdoors full time. At our first class meeting after having arrived we were told, we would have to “give” them (Ti and Do) our minds. Ti told us Do was very uncomfortable with that but he knew it was his responsability to accept. It was to be done by wanting to be like Do in every way – not in appearances though that wasn’t out of the question but they weren’t going to go out and all by the exact same clothing, yet in a sense we ended up all dressing alike, however we had to consider how we appeared in the world – we did not want to attract any more attention than we automatically did. But this is how one tigthly bonds with another. Live with them and seek to think as they think, and act as they act and do as the do as much as possible while still remaining students.

Yes it is “mind control”, but far more honest than the way we humans are mind controlled and yet part of that is that we are not. How many buy their clothing according to the latest trends and how many build their dreams based upon what is being presented as popular in chic or “in” or most comfortable or best to earn money by? How many think they must have umteen insurance programs to think they are covering themselves for everything that could go wrong, then walla, they lose their job, their pension, their 401 K plan and then their house and whatever or they are in a Katrina flood or come upon a major health problem that even money can’t fix or keep up with. How many of us are mind controlled to think we must be authorized by the state and/or church to marry. How many think our religion offers us salvation after we die? Compared to these and many, many others that we as humans all encounter and consider the “norm” the mind control in the group was…well it was still intense because it meant monitoring our every thought and then selecting only a few to even register in our heads. That is impossible to do without help from someone who has experienced it. Ti and Do seemed to have this under their belts somehow. So, yes it is mind control but the key is deciding who we want to give that control to. Remember the Lord’s prayer, Our Father who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy(your) WILL be done on Earth AS IT (will) IS in Heaven(outer space many mansion abode). So this boils down to the integrity of who we decide to give our will to and to what degree. If we give it to the gov’t our reward comes by having a parade and financial package if we die in their service. If we give our will to our church leaders, we get to feel like we are working for God, which is contrary to what Jesus taught, thus our own fault for believing others when the record is right before us and if we give our will to our career we enjoy the benefit potentially of a nice sized bank account that other’s might enjoy when we die or if we give it to family then we enjoy feeling useful and loved and if we give it to a charlatan cult leader whom we don’t know is a charlatan and they won’t even think that way about themselves then I’d bet the real Kingdom of God cansee that desire to serve, so when that person dies, the Kingdom of God takes that souls and keeps it in their care to be brought back for a new opportunity to grow further towards membership in the Kingdom of God. All giving of ourselves can be to our advantage as it’s not an mammalian characteristic.
Do told us later on that Ti thought they would lose 1/2 the class by telling us that. To me I was already doing that as completely as I knew how. I still of course had a human animal body that didn’t necessarily consciously que me into my doubts.

If someone was allowing certain thoughts to exist at times and never revealed it and to what degree then that was their choice and for those, certainly doubtful thoughts could have been among their permissiveness, given the object was to overcome anything and ALL that might take us away from what we were in pursuit of.

There is no doubt that most had invested a great deal of their lives in this endeavour. I for one did reflect at times of doubt pertaining to how much I had already invested. Part of that investment is not allowing thoughts that would entertain what else we might do should we leave. Those who did entertain those thoughts mostly likley left soon thereafter and I know of several who went through very difficult periods battling whether to stay or leave, and this was way before there was any mention of self-exiting. Flxody was one. Prsody was another. Strody was another – interestingly all three were more elder females. Prsody and Strody were among the 39.

So I don’t feel it is accurate to say…”most others feel too invested to give up”. For most it was not on that level of, “well I’ve come this far, I can’t quit now”. Again, not saying many never had that thought but it didn’t have to be a significant justification to staying.

Each member was seeking to form a significant bond with Do, (their Older Member from the Level Above Human, aka Their Father, as their seed giver). The whole “process” was two fold – first to eliminate all human bonds/roots attachments desires and pursuits, then to acquire the identity of a non-human (not an alien though as they are human equivilents) – above human as represented throught the example of said non-human incarnate in human vehicle – Do. The details to forming that bond is to “want to” be and do everything exactly as Do did it. That’s how we show love. Jesus called it doing the will of his Father in Heaven and Do sought to do this with Ti while Ti was in a physical body and after her physical body died, though with Ti they did operate more as a partnership for the task’s sake rather than as Do did while operating the Jesus named human vehicle in seeking to relay all things his Father gave to him to say and do for and with his students.

Do did tell the class that to exit we may need to take it upon ourselves and asked each of us on a number of occasions that i was present for, if we had reservations about it.  At one meeting I believe three or four new members from the 94′ public meeting offerring voiced  reservations of some kind and one did leave the next day and another a few days later.

I did not voice reservations and did not have any. That did not mean I was eager either – in my case it was of much different than most I would say, as I had fallen off the wagon by then significantly. I remember having the thought when asked in group who had reservations and saying I had none but thinking…”lets get it over with”. I can’t count how many times I’d been through the evaluation of my committment. Ti and Do periocially required that we entertain doubts to see if they could take us out of other class. They knew once one opened their heads to thoughts of leaving they would be tempted to go with those thoughts and therefore it also provided a way to strengthen our resolve, though for some they did end up leaving. The object of the class wasn’t numbers of believers as in other groups. From the start it was more a process of elimination of those who truely weren’t ready or weren’t genuine enough – were still too self interested as I believe I fall into that category though didn’t know it until much later.

I did not leave because of fear of taking my own life. The “process” of HOW we might take our own life was more fearful than my dissappearance from this world. Naturally, I didn’t want pain. We had spent years detaching from strong sensory and emotional connections. We had detached from family, physically and mostly mentally. Not entirely. I still felt love for my family but when I would get those pangs I knew it would only increase if I dwelled on them. Ti and Do felt some of our pangs were from their wondering about us. It was largly their anxiety in not knowing what we were up to and whether we were alive or not, especially because it was assumed we were doing something “wrong” or “bad” or under someones spell. Had we become part of  a catholic order that was cloistered, then they wouldn’t have generally felt that way.

What Jesus taught as detachment was for a reason. It wasn’t to appear holy by how much you sacrificed – how you inflicted emotional pain on yourself or others in the name of God. That’s a distortion. Ti and Do did nothing I saw that intentionally and primarily “tested” us in that way. They knew certain things they said or instructed would put us to a test but that wasn’t their purpose. Their purpose had practical aspects. We needed to be moreorless cloistered in order to have a very concentrated experiential lesson ground among others that were also as dedicated and as single minded and determined to see it through. If we have or want to care for our children and mother and father and sisters and brothers and houses and jobs and the myrid of things that come up to care for, we factually don’t have the mental or physical energy to do anything more than flop down in front of the TV or computer or to a book before bedtime. In other words being human means giving away all our energy every day to human cares and pursuits of this world. We were seeking to shift our cares and pursuits to the cares and pursuit of another world – a different world, a world that was in actuality more stable and in that sense “real” than the Earth bound world not because both are not real but because both are not real indefinitely thus one can actually be in observance of the other’s world in it’s entirety thus be far more objective and influential just as we can view the lifecycles of ants and know what they are capable of and what they are absolutely “NOT” capable of. Humans are only more capable than other life forms on the planet because they are the last step of the evolutionary ladder before having the opportunity to step away from human altogether to, when it is offerred to become a member of the next higher strata of life above human.

I observed in Do more than Ti the pain he felt from the reports he got from students expressing the anxiety of their human families. It was for this reason that, even before Ti left we had visits to family, a time when they could see what we had become, that we wern’t being held against our will in any respect and were not so brainwashed in what they were taught to fear was a negative manner that we still did not care for them. It was hard to do those visits and it was hard to leave them and then we did the visit again after Ti had departed our company – yet another opportunity with 2 years in between to determine what we wanted.

So we didn’t try not to feel things that tied us to our past. What we tried was to not let it draw us back which occurs by dwelling on anything – the content of our thoughts is who we are which is what we end up acting out – doing with our lives. That’s our mind. So the rule was to not think about the past. Of course now that’s been popularized as living in the now which is fine except in how it masks an avoidence of any real future as a next level member and from learning from our past which can only be done by recognizing the same lessons and coming up with strategies to conquer old weaknesses.  Many times living in the “now” is a convienent way to escape responsability for what we’ve done in times past or might  strive to do in the future.

Of course doubts and sense of losing investment could have been deeply subconscious – a natural instict for all of us in human vehicles, but then psychologists among others love to have buckets to throw all the cases that don’t gel with their general postulates about our mental condition.
Doc writers question:

When did the group settle on the name “Heaven’s Gate,” and what is its significance?
Sawyers response:
This is one of the few questions I can not accurately give a date and time answer to as I was not a member when they settled on the name Heaven’s Gate however saying that I have no doubt that I do understand it’s significance.

Just as Jesus brought the path to the “kingdom of Heaven” – the strata of life above human (as Jesus said even the least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than the greatest on Earth) that upon graduation – passing through the gate, opens us up to a indefinite lifespan with a new less limited physical body to circulate within a limitless environment though with tasks to do, not just to take in views, rather than on one planet with one life and then a negligible spirit existence with no feelings or ability to become anything more than what we already became while last alive, contrary to the idea that we are all in a reincarnation progression which was taken from the idea that God can “save” those who are preparing for gate entrance until they are ready to do so consciously which God provides us on God’s schedule. So in that way if one believes in the last representative from the real kingdom of heaven they might be “saved” from merger into the spirit world and therefore could be returned to start an interface with a human to take over that human body to take it through a graduation classroom when it is offerred.

One can’t go through the gate unless they know what it is they are seeking – not a religious idea that is essentially illusionary – based upon the misinformation that is flooded upon us after each member from the Next Level departs the Earth environment, having left many with seeds for the next opportunity for graduation that occurred this time in Ti and Do’s arrival.

Those that followed Jesus and lived as best they could by his guidelines and rules, were not ready to go through the gate that he represented as the only member of the Next Level that was physically among us so if they stuck to their guns so to speak in “feeding his sheep” by delivering the information of how to gain entrance through the gate – loving (giving) God ALL your heart, all your mind, all your soul and all your strength, even to the degree that those opposed to the kindom of God seek to shut you up by even killing you then you have given ALL and therefore qualify to be “saved” and counted to being a participant in the next classroom that would be a graduation styled classroom rather than a prepatory one as occurred  at the time of Jesus and Elijah and Moses and Enoch. It take a great deal of time and effort to bring a seed to harvest.

The gate is just like the birth canal. It is simply the entry requirements – like a Key that unlocks the door. One needs a midwife to deliver a baby. This is someone that has done it before. Ti and Do were serving as these spirit birth midwives but Ti was primarily here to get Do going as this world had become so foreign from the Next Level’s reality – due to religions and other largly symbolic focus that a stronger mind than Do’s was needed to be able to recognize they had a task to do that originated from outer space – Ti’s essential realization and that it had something to do with the bible – again what Ti became aware of and Do as he built his relationship with Ti had the same revelations. Once she got him going, she needed to leave for various reasons. (I’m not saying which of Ti and Do first had these key revelations – but it is a fact that Do knew Ti to be his “older member” or “Father” who “fathered” him out of his human condition in some civilization before the one we are engaged as we speak which is nearing closure.
So Heaven is the Above Human Condition (world) that exists wherever they need to be throughout the physical heavens. The Gate is the current representative (Do) because no one comes to the Father (Ti) except through them (Do) because that is the way the chain of minds are set up. It’s what makes it a Kingdom. There is one central chief of chiefs whose mind is drawn upon and given, drawn and given older member to younger member and eventually given in a small dose to humans that causes those humans who receive the seed to seek more.

So Heaven’s Gate in it’s shortest form is Do but to say that no one will stand a chance of understanding it.
Doc writers question:
We understand that many of Applewhite and Nettles’s most faithful members came from a small seaside town on the Oregon coast…
Sawyer’s response:
Of the 39 I can only recall these 4 joining from the Waldport, Oregon meeting:


Yes, initially there were 27 people that dissappeared from having attended the Waldport meeting of which I was one. 5 of my closest friends also joined but 4 left in the first couple months and one stayed for about 12 years.

It does seem that in terms of any one town, the first four meetings – 1 in LA, 1 in Stanford and another in N. California, then Walport probably made up about 1/2 the long term 39 members but I’d have to reseach it futher to be sure.

If you send me the best list I’ll tell you where most joined from as I was present as a group leader during the early and late public meeting engagements.
Doc writers question:
Applewhite begins speaking and lays out their message. He stresses that the end of the world is near.

Sawyer’s response:
No, he never said anything about the end of the world. I could have missed it, but then it wasn’t in any of their early literature – Statements 1, 2 or 3. In fact he never really spoke about the End of the World. In the 90’s he began to talk more about a spading or recycling, refurbishing for a new civilization but their message was absolutely not a typical “end of the world” scare that so many christian preachers used to generate support. We were never freightened into “belief”, of that I can attest.

Doc writers question:
Sawyer, believes they are answering his most often asked questions.
Sawyer’s response:
No, not at all, except in the most general of senses. I was 24 at Waldport having lived away from my family since I was 19 and across country since 20. I was always mystified by Jesus, had no belief in UFO’s until I saw one after I joined, was not born again or even knew that phrase, was not depressed (though my girlfriend and I did break up, but were together again), had a good musical band and participated in various new age explorations of thought and practice to include meditations, yet was not even comfortable with that. I remember saying I wanted to be enlightened while reading the Bhagavad Gita one day. I was given the Gita by a krishna devotee at an airport in San Diego though I don’t know why – I paid him nothing and did not intend to join but I took the book and tried to read it but it seemed like stories and did not find it of much value.

I didn’t have a specific question about my life’s purpose yet at the meeting felt compelled to join without hardly a second thought as it felt like my life’s purpose and what did occur soon thereafter was a sense that all events in my life that found me where I was and joining were pointed to that moment – as if it was planned ahead of time. (And it was I later learned, but that’s another discussion).

Doc writers question:

The couple and their newfound flock of about 70 set up a campsite in Grand Junction, Colorado.

Here, Applewhite tells his new recruits they must choose new names, to further disconnect them from their former lives.
Sawyer’s response:
Well 70 sounds about right at that point and yes new members were told to pick new names for that reason – to not linger in focus on the past that keeps us to a degree thinking in the past.

Doc writers question:

The group’s numbers have rocketed to around 200.

Sawyer’s response:
That’s the overall number estimated to have joined over the first year but it wasn’t that many that made it to Chicago – at the Chain O’ Lakes State Park. It was more like 70 by then – October of 75. There were 96 who made it to Veedavou National Forest near Laramie, Wyoming which was July of 1976 – the end of having meetings, that is until summer of 92 when we were down to 24 when the beyond human series attracted former members to return to bring us into the mid 30’s again and then added another dozen or so new members from the January 1994 public meeting tour that lasted for 9 1/2 months. Some of the returned members left again, some first time joiners also left, leaving the group down to 38 students though 3 left afterwards, Rkkody, Jstody (who I joined to do the 60 Minutes show together) and Oscody, who had joined in 1975 but left soon thereafter but remained a believer and at one point was in contact with the group and expressed wanting to join them, to which he was instructed to remain outside the group. There were 1-2 others that were reported as suicides at that time that came to my attention in a most unusual way that lead me to suspect they too were laying down their lives for Ti and Do, niether of which seemed to have ever been in the group, which would bring the number to 42-43 students. I say this because Ti had said “all who came would return”. She was referring to the souls that were in their third trimester towards Spirit Birth having been with the Older Member 2000 years ago and before that in Moses company, the first two trimesters. These are called the Saints in the book of Revelations. She never said how many Souls she thought that was. But it seems the number 24 is the most likley, leaving others as not quite ready to “graduate” thus would have to be assigned additionally learning opportunities before completing a successful third trimester.

Doc writers question:
June, 1992

Laguna Hills.
Now living in southern California, Applewhite’s group calls itself Total Overcomers Anonymous. The name signifies (ABOUT HOW MANY?) XX members who are still working to overcome their human tendencies
Sawyer’s response:
By about that time we were down to 26 (with 2 long time members (And, Pmm) leaving in the next two years) but after putting out the video Series called Beyond Human, The Last Call, close to a dozen x-members some of which were staying in a type of half way house rejoined us.

Two of those were from the 19 that Ti and Do told in 1976 were not serious enough to stay in the group so formed a temporary group for them at a different location and these eventually got jobs and broke up and went about their seperate ways. These two however ran into us in Amarillo, Texas and wanted to rejoin. Right before that 2 long term classmembers who had joined from the Waldport, Oregon meeting were told they had to leave us because one could not accept the idea of the lesson step, “I could be wrong” and the other member wanted to leave with him. She had been having other problems so this became a reason for her to leave though I believe they are to date still believers in Ti and Do and I have occasional contact with them.

Sawyer’s response to Time magazine’s report on Ti’s letters to her vehicle’s daughter Terrie Nettles

February 15, 2011

Terri Nettles is Ti’s vehicle, Bonnie Lu Nettle’s daughter. Terri, whom I have talked with a few times who received some letters/communications from Ti in 1975, 1982, 1984 & early in 1985, sharing parts of what Ti said.

One such article written by Time magazine in April of 1997 quoted Terri in such a way as to imply that Ti was trying to “get out” of what she’d gotten into in the group and/or with Marshall Applewhite who took the name, Do.  Since I joined with Ti and Do in September of 1975, when they went by the names Bo(Do) and Peep(Ti) have some significant experiences to relate to shed more light on exactly Ti’s frame of mind and in relationship to what she said in Terrie’s letters from Ti.

At the times I spoke with/emailed with Terrie, I could be mistaken, but did not get any impression she believed Ti and Do were who they said they were; Souls from the Evolutionary Level Above Human, aka The One True Kingdom of God, who operating in crews create all things developmentally and is a many membered (but by far not as many membered as the human kingdom) kingdom (with a structure consisting of Older Members providing tasks to Younger Members) who operate in Their environment in use of physical bodies that are not “seed bearing” plants as are human mammalian &/or human equivalent reptilian plants(bodies). When They have a task on a planet they orchestrated to be a type of Garden, as Earth, but in a myriad of locations throughout the Universe, in which to provide free willed programs geared to grow new Souls, They plant as “seeds” into Their membership. They largely do so as hands on gardeners by entering the human earth environment by discarding or leaving behind their current body(vehicle) to be unseen thus undercover by living humans and/or space aliens to then take over a prepared human vehicles desirous of service to their idea of the Kingdom of God, in order to perform the task of interfacing with a small group of previously nurtured believer Souls(Saints) that were also brought back to interface with appropriate “matching” human genetic counterparts – a flesh birth that becomes the needed obstacle to take over with the Older Members specific guidance, which is the “overcoming” process.

However, at this time Terrie may believe in who her mother, who became the instrument, vehicle for the Older Member called Ti actually was/is. Not having a way to contact Terrie at this time, which I would like to do and would like to have a copy of all of Ti’s letters to her, so I can talk even more intelligently about them. But, not having those letters or contact with Terrie I am only able to respond to the articles written in which she was quoted.

In this regard, pertaining to this one Time article(1), the reporting didn’t seem to be the Ti I knew as a student for 19 years, but I wanted to know the truth so I brought up my concern to Carlan, whom was given the name Crlody having joined the group in 1994 and left some months later, though remained a staunch believer, supporter and dissemination of Ti and Do’s information, and worked one on one with dedicated believer Rkkody, aka Rick Edwards, who layed down his life in 1998 to follow with Do and the core classroom of 38 students, said, “I was thinking about that letter recently. My gut tells me? that if Ti was talking about “getting out” it was most likely about getting out of this world”.

As I was of a similar if not entirely equivalent perspective I decided to present this evaluation of that part of the article, though there are many misconceptions and inaccuracies in that article. I will attempt to address all such mistakes but at this time wish to focus on that regarding Terrie’s accounts of Ti, as follows:(I have added clarifying information in brackets []).

The actual quote from the article(1) was, “Terrie Nettles said her mother contacted her again in 1984, saying she was so deep into the movement she didn’t know how to get out, that [Ti’s quote]”there wasn’t a graceful way to leave.””. I don’t know if the part about “so deep…” was Terrie’s interpretation of the “…graceful way to leave” part? If so Terrie could have thought Ti meant graceful way to leave the group when in Ti’s mind it could have been either exiting/leaving her body[that was close to death in early 1985] and/or the planet[Ti’s anticipation of since 1973 or 4 or 5] especially as Ti had already shared with Terri that Ti had her eye removed from a cancer a few years earlier. I don’t say this as a guess and not having the entire letter makes it difficult to know for sure except by taking the statement apart in light of what was going on in the group and with Ti in particular at that time that I was present in the group to witness.

After all, in the article Terrie was also reported to have indicated, which I know could have been a reporters misinterpretation of Terrie, which often occurs, that, “In 1985 her mother said she was sending Terrie a “couple of hundred bucks” because the time was coming close and coming to a point where They[Ti,Do and Students] were leaving…that she would be transported by a UFO…”. That doesn’t sound like someone who had begun to doubt Their part in the mission, or looking for a “way out” of the group they stimulated to exist and by early June we, the student body(church) were informed by Do that Ti was diagnosed with cancer in her vehicle’s liver thus was expected to die.

Two weeks later Ti’s vehicle passed and Do with Lvvody(a student and a nurse who helped with Ti at that time, as did Jnnody to some degree as well) by Ti’s side told the rest of the classroom members that all through Ti’s ordeal Ti never complained and that, “Ti never expressed any doubt in who she was”, as an Older Member in the Level Above Human. In fact Do and Lvvody reported that Ti’s biggest concern throughout her remaining days was related to “how Do would handle her exit” as Do had become dependant on his Older Member(heavenly Father)’s physical presence. Incidentally, Ti never told Do she was His Older Member(Father). Do realized it after traveling with Ti around the country as the Two Witnesses, before having attracted a student body, which did not come easily to Do. He said, He gave Ti a great deal of grief over those few years between 1973 and 1975 when they blew their trumpet in Los Angeles that resulted in the first dozen dedicated follower/students.Ti also instructed Do and Lvvody what to do after her passing, which was to have her vehicle cremated.

I don’t know whether Ti specified this part but Do with Lvvody and Jnnody and I believe Lggody and Jwnody took Ti’s vehicle’s ashes and spread them over the water at White Rock Lake in Dallas, Texas less than a mile from where we all lived together at that time, off Mockingbird Lane.

Interestingly, Ti and Do, in May of 1983 initiated an optional visit for all the students to their vehicle’s family for the purpose of “alleviating their[family members] anxiety” due to our(student) absence, by then amounting to about 8 years of no communication at all for most members.

Our classroom population was probably down to the 30’s by then & most chose to visit someone. Visits were optional but I believe most of the students wanted to visit certain people as though most of us had been detached from nearly all communications for some 8 years some still felt our vehicle’s loved one’s pain at our absence and not knowing our whereabouts or whether we were as the media said brainwashed and/or captured by the reported “dangerous cult”. My mother in particular thought I was dead. My dad didn’t think so and discouraged my mother’s attempts to try to find me, saying he was doing what he wanted to do. So for some or even most of the students, this was a chance to tell others our personal experience with Ti and Do. I was eager to do so. I flew to NY where my vehicle’s entire family still resided for the weekend by myself & returned.

The point being that Ti was also trying to alleviate Terrie’s natural anxiety at her mother’s absence over that same 8+ year period which also entailed long periods of time, even years of little if any communication.
We had another visit in 1985. I remember hurricane Gloria was raging on Long Island on Sept. 27th 1985 when I visited the second time, thus this was after the Next Level allowed cancer to take Ti’s vehicle on June 19, 1985. By the way, Do said he felt Ti left her physical body because of the toll her task took on the physical body. One can think this an excuse to justify that she unexpectedly died just like anyone else. No “resurrection” as Jesus did and they (Ti and Do) initially thought was in Their cards. The fact is that certain frames of mind are very difficult to hold onto because what few can understand is when you are a leader, which applies to any human being, you must deal with those who dislike or even hate you as well as those who like you. This is the case whether in a physical manifestation but for some that are very sensitive to thought forms, amounts to a barrage of influences, discarnate human spirit beings/programs that are constantly battling against you. Students dealt with this too. But the leaders dealt with it the most and Ti was looked to even by Do, so she dealt with the most bombardment. To stay on the straight and narrow was thereby a constant chore and that is part is the great value of doing tasks in twos, to have another to run things by and who will help us when the going gets tough and it always get’s tough for those that seek to be in the Kingdom of God’s service because of how few humans really are. Being religious doesn’t automatically mean anything, though in one way or another we all have challenges, though how we meet them becomes our option and if we give into their influence known as “selling one’s soul to the devil” in the many ways that can manifest then we cease having those types of mental/spiritual challenges. Performers also have to develop a hard shell to do what they do without compromising their performance quality. In the case of Ti and Do, though, they had zero allies in what they believed so pretty much every soul living and dead hated everything about them and wanted to stop them.

Everytime Ti and Do met with the student body, they had to run off our influences to give us a fighting chance to hear/comprehend whatever new perspective they were offering. Had we been in an organized church of some denomination or religion, the halls would be packed with discarnates of like belief thus little challenge to the leaders. Humans who take positions of leadership end up being insulated by their own supportive discarnate posse so to speak and of course the living and discarnates of their supporters. For this reason, Ti and Do at some of the public meetings they gave had a group of students sit in front of them, thus between They and the audience, to act as a buffer against the normal negative thoughts and daggers from the audience.

This was also the prime reason Do had students sit with him for the Beyond Human video series, to assist by keeping negative influences a little more distant and/or a little less powerful, so Do could better concentrate on staying “in tune” with his Older Member’s mind while he spoke.

Of course for all those that scoff at the existence of anything they can’t see or touch or measure, this is all baloney, but there are many that have received evidence of what I’m talking about in their own experience or to where it somehow just makes sense to them. For those that see the logic in this perspective, they are of the genetic strain that is closer to readiness to take their next best step towards service to the Level Above Human(Kingdom of God).

For this second visit some students who were to go to the same area, traveled together. I traveled with Sarah (Srfody), a fellow student, though the one who was my partner before joining. (Sarah and I met in our home town in NY and lived together for 5 years on the west coast before joining with Ti and Do.) And while on Long Island, Sarah and I met June(Jwnody)’s vehicle’s mother and Jwnody & Ollody(Oliver) met my vehicle’s parents and I believe Sarah’s dad. Sarah’s dad knew me well as I had begun dating Sarah in 1970, five years before both joining with Ti and Do at the Waldport, Oregon meeting. I recall Do thinking if family saw other classmates and how nice they were and how sane they were they would not be so anxious about our isolation in our type of monestary. This did work with my parents though they still wanted to know where I was and wanted more frequent contact, like to be able to call if someone died for instance, an understandable request. Before I joined I had lived far away from my family for over 5 years and received no financial support from them and my mother would always fuss at me for not calling as frequently as she wanted. But of course I did speak to her every year at least and then wrote to them about my decision to join with Ti and Do, but then after that had no communication for those 8 years.

I remember Do talking about what would happen if we opened the door to relatives of our vehicle’s having telephone access to us. He said before long, relatives would be expecting their loved ones in the group to fly back home to this wedding and that bar mitzvah, birthday, etc. and there would never be a time when the entire group was together or not being interfered with. In a human organization without a deadline or an big “ovecoming” agenda to accomplish, (that was tailored to each individuals needs but that all could benefit from, thus a need for all to be present), it would have seemed fine, but we did have quite the unusual agenda and time frame to accomplish that agenda within. Of course any non-believer would not relate to this at all, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t real. It’s really comparable to something like medical school. If one doesn’t keep up with the lessons, they fall behind and the professor isn’t going to keep going back to old material for those that aren’t keeping up. In this case the curriculum was the taking apart of one’s human root system in thought and deed and teaching us to tie into a new family root system. The two root systems do not mix though many humans have a mix of Next Level mind and the only other mind that exists which comes from the Luciferian dropout Space Aliens from the current or past Earth civilization or an Earth equivalent where the Next Level had it’s last “garden”.

On the second visit in September of 1985 Do told us it would be okay if we wanted to buy some type of “talisman” to give to some of our vehicle’s family. I bought two glass beads and gave one to my younger sister and one to my younger brother. I remember my dad telling me to thank Ti & Do, I presume for permitting the visit. A result of those visits was why Rthody left a couple years later as when he visited he rebonded with his brother & family. Thereafter about once a year at Do’s instigation but based on reports of what students were going thru mentally, many of us could opt to call family.

Thus I have every reason to believe Ti was doing that…relieving some of her anxiety, with Terri to include sending her that small amount of money. Now as a longshot, it would be possible that Ti actually thought she’d be returning to her vehicle’s family unit for some reason. I base this on the fact that Do reported to us, that while they were awakening, but that I don’t know when or if ended, Ti had said to him that, “I am here to get you started and then I’ll be returning”. Do told us that when Ti would say this to him, indicating that she said it more than once, he always wondered what she meant, but apparently either didn’t feel to ask her or that she didn’t say any more about which is what I believe most likely occurred based on my personal interactions with Ti.

Like one time actually in that same White Rock lake house, what we called a Craft, Ti and I walked by one another and Ti said to me, “you look green”, to which I said, “what do you mean?” to which she replied again, “you just look green”. I later believe she was reading my aura and that I vibrated envy because at that particular time I was not among the group of students that had the most interactions with Ti and Do. That group of students at that time were about 8-12 members and they were called Sat 3, standing for satellite 3. They had their own “house” then, what we called “crafts”, after spacecraft. We had a two “crafts” for students at that time, though that ended after Ti exited her vehicle, thus satellite’s 1, 2 and 3 being the one with a command center, the management of operations for the function of the three crafts. I longed to be part of that group as they were often seen with Ti and Do in their quarters going over managerial things. Before Ti would exit her vehicle I was asked to join Sat 3 which I of course jumped at. It’s funny how that happened. Though I was jealous or coveting of the attention and importance I assigned to Sat 3, I realized this on my own somehow, though perhaps it was given to me in a dream, so I resolved within myself that I was not going to let my not being in Sat 3 drive me nuts or render me inoperable in the tasks I did have. I recall, vacuuming every day and not allowing my eyes to linger on the area where the Sat 3 command body was located. And I began transcribing some of the audio tapes we created for most every group meeting. I became content with not being in Sat 3 and it seems like days later Do came up to me and invited me to join Sat 3. I don’t believe I expressed any of this in a note to Do. Notes were the primary way students sought communication with Ti and Do.

But when Ti would say this about returning Do said he recalled always thinking, “where does she think she’s returning to, her family?” which to Do seemed absurd given how they left with Ti’s vehicle’s x threatening Do’s “Applewhite” vehicle’s life.

Even from a person who believes this was a dangerous cult, taking over people’s minds, why would it’s leader find it hard to “leave gracefully”. She could have just drove off one day. Why did she feel so responsible to Do, to the students to spend all her waking hours trying to help us learn our lessons that included pressing past our own limitations.

After all it was Ti that “got Do started” as she said and demonstrated by the record of their meeting in Houston at the Hospital where Ti was a nurse while Do as Marhall Applewhite was visiting a sick male friend, the way Do wrote about it in the document entitled 88update available for free download at .

With that consideration one could consider that Do would have had more of a basis to want to “get out gracefully”, though he never expressed that to us and certainly never demonstrated it by his actions. In fact to the contrary, one time he said he knew he could curl up and leave his vehicle. He had contracted a case of Rocky Mountain Spotted Tick fever. He had a house with Lvvody/Jnnody his primary “helpers” up at White Feather lakes a bit northwest of Ft. Collins, Colorado. Few classmates ever visited him there. I happened to be one once. He was very weak and told us he considered exiting and knew he could easily do so simply by his will to exit. He said, he asked Ti, who was outside her vehicle by then, as this was in the early 1990’s, if it would be her will for him to exit then, to which he said, Ti told him, it was his option. He could exit his vehicle if he wanted to. But he said, he decided to stay to try to complete his task.

One other time that one could construe Do as trying to get out of the position, though I don’t see it that way but I’m trying to show that I am not afraid to be transparent, is also in the early 1990’s while we lived in Colorado. This time, Do lived in a house in Bolder Canyon, for this period with about 12 members of Sat 3. I was not residing there initially because I was an out of crafter and had a job programming computers with a company in the Denver Tech Center, 1 1/2 hours south of the Boulder Canyon house so it made more sense for me to reside in a “craft” in Littleton with 20 something other students. While I resided in that craft Do had me serve as Overseer of the craft, thus I was the one who Do spoke to about craft and certain student concerns and I wrote most of the reports in the management. Students all sent reports of their chores that were out of the ordinary and these had to be written up and consolidated to be sent to Do, which was part of my job. Another part was relaying information that Do might tell me on the phone. It was a strange circumstance as in that Overseer position I had no overseer partner. I had a partner, but they did not have the overseer task so we went our separate ways for most of the time I was back from my OOC Task. Anyway, despite the distance from my OOC task, Do decided to move my residing to the Boulder Canyon house.

Not long after that Do called a meeting and the Littleton residents came up to Boulder Canyon craft for a meeting in which Do said, “what if I’m not who I say I am? What if I’m just someone with good intentions but not from the Next Level?” Then he said, that he’s not saying he’s not, but wants us to think about what we think and feel about him in consideration of whether or not he is who we were told he is or think he is. We were each to respond in a note to him.

It wasn’t long after that, that Rthody wanted to visit his brother again, which he did and came back and said he wanted to leave the classroom. Do partnered me with Rthody during the time Rthody was most dealing with doubts about staying. Do asked me to report to him directly about Rthody which I did on a number of occasions. It wasn’t like being a spy as the nature of the classroom was to expect scrutiny from any and all directions if there was something about us that couldn’t stand being put under a spotlight. However that didn’t mean that I would say anything to Rthody about my reporting to Do of our conversations, etc. I was working for Do and Do was working for Ti who assigned Do to help students identify what they needed to overcome about their human ways.

Rthody was in the group from the Berkley, CA meeting in October of 1975, which I was present for, having joined that previous September. But this was the nature of being in Ti and Do’s group. Sure we each chose to join but we didn’t entirely decide to stay. Of course this really sets the cult awareness network folk and the psychologists and sociologists and traditional organized religionists on their ear because that’s not the way dangerous cults are supposed to work. Members once indoctrinated rarely leave on their own unless they never really took to the group. Well, in Rthody’s case, for at least 15 years he was a dedicated student as far as I could tell. Of course no one knew what was really going on in anyone else’s head. Ti and Do said all along they didn’t try to “read” us or second guess where our heads were at. The depended on what we said and did. But as it turned out with Rthody and with Hvvody and Pmmody and with myself Swyody and with Andody and Dncody and Cddody, it took a long time to know what we wanted and whether or not we were ready willing and able to go the distance of sticking with the classroom for the “right” reasons. For me as I testified to in my latest youtube video at, also posted on my blog at I, though fully dedicated for 18+ years gave into allowing sensual thoughts into my head that resulted in giving in to sensuality as masturbation and couldn’t or for whatever reason didn’t want to kick it, but learned why some 10 years after leaving.

What I’m saying is that, it’s very, very, very clear to anyone who is willing to give it a chance that Ti and Do and the organization they created, it’s agenda and how they enacted it were beyond a shadow of a doubt far different than actually EVERY group before it and since. No other so called Cult leaders created circumstances where they could lose membership, like giving all it’s members airline tickets to wherever they wanted to go, unless they were willing to lose them, while buying round trip tickets and not wanting to lose them either. We had a big celebration when we all returned from the visits as it represented that we’d grown strong enough in our conviction to be tempted and to withstand what it might still have offered us. Of course critics would say, right, you were all brainwashed by then.

Yet by the time of the visits we had few techniques that could be construed as brainwashing per say. To brainwash someone there needs to be types of repetition or mesmerizing of thought and/or deed mixed with severe deprivations. Sure we had all sorts of disciplines and a certain amount of deprivation in terms of dietary regimens and such though most of these began after Ti exited her vehicle as well. We acknowledged that we were aiming to wash our own brains of our past which included past likes/dislikes, past relationships, past habits of language and substance use for stimulus and past sexuality and sensuality and other behaviors like jealously and envy and gossip and such, things that are generally thought of as negative emotions. So yes we were trying to get rid of all negativity and certainly it was thought that leaving the group was such a negative. But even on that score, Do, at least once a year instigated our halting such mental disciplines to spend at least an hour opening up our mind and allowing ourselves to consider what in the world might still attract us. And we joked that we certainly were a Cult when compared to how cults of the past had become professions of higher learning and commercial even. Christianity is big business. Some preachers get paid 20,000 for a speech. Of course they say that goes to pay for all their organizations overhead, which it often does but was that ever the intention of Jesus. There is zero evidence of that and actually a great deal to the contrary. Thus what once was a cult 2000 years ago became mainstream thus all those who were in that main stream were absolutely going to generally look at new groups that might shoot up as cults and dangerous ones to boot while considering themselves honorable and working under God’s direction, when they do next to nothing the Kingdom of God taught and said to maintain to be considered on the Kingdom of God’s team.

So was Ti suggesting to Terrie that she wanted out? I don’t see ANY evidence of that and to the contrary see many evidences of just the opposite so I think Terrie misinterpreted her or the reporting didn’t include the full picture and/or Ti didn’t want to be any stronger for Terrie’s sake. Terrie also, from the report, thought she was the only one who got to spend time with Ti and Do alone saying that their students could only spend time with them in group. Not so though I admit, being with them in any kind of isolated way was rare. But then again, we did 99% of all our activities as twosome or threesome. No one was alone for very long, except to use the bathroom, what we called a bathchamber.

So many people, when they know a little act and talk as if they know it all. I can slip into that as well but so often I’m reminded how little I really do know which necessitate embracing one thing I do know for sure. I can ask Ti and Do for help or understanding, direction and more service to their agenda and I know I will at some point get it.

Thus as Ti and Do said once, they: Know what they know and know what they don’t know but know where to go to learn what they don’t know. Ti and Do demonstrated that with themselves, and with their students. They could have certain questions they would ask their invisible helpers and not get any answer, sometimes for years. But they always got answers to what they needed to know to perform their task of preparing us for service to the Next Level.

(1) IMPRISONED BY HIS OWN PASSIONS: Marshall Herff Applewhite
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Ti and Do’s Mantras, Meditations and Kirtan given to Students

February 14, 2011

Preparing For Service
Written by Ti and Do in 1985

The Power of Goodness  

Forget your fears. Realize that your condition is of your own making. There is no power that can keep you down but yourself. Forget the obstacles between. Forget the difficulties in the way. Keep only your perfect, happy and healthy vehicle before your mind’s eye-and you’ll win over the fears and become happy and healthy. 

Nothing external has power over you. You fear these negative feelings simply because you BELIEVE in them, when all the time it is only that BELIEF that gives them power and authority. 

Remember you are the Central Sun in your own Solar System. You have dominion over everything within that system. You can say what shall enter, what shall stay there. And you have unlimited attractive power to draw to you anything of good you may desire. The law of  attraction cannot bring good and evil at the same time. It must be one or the other. And it is up to YOU to decide which it shall be. 

Say to yourself, “Everyday my vehicle is getting healthier and happier and in better control.” And follow up the words with imagining yourself having a healthier body, a happier body and in perfect control of it. 

Ask yourself, “What can I do to make my classmates happy?” Forget about your personal problems, try to make someone else happy. Be magnetic-that is magnetism? It’s the Power to give out! It is vitality, it is sincere interest in your classmates-You cannot be self-centered and be magnetic. You cannot think only of the gratification of your own desires and be magnetic.

Goodness gives out a current of Goodness, and all who come within its aura are attracted to it. Selfishness, jealousy, hate, are layers of insulation around
a magnet. They not only shut off all Goodness from going out, but they keep any from getting in. A selfish person, a jealous person, and an angry person, has no magnetism. He has shut off his own current, and insulated himself against any goodness from the outside. 

Release the feeling of goodness toward each and every annoying thing as though it was the best thing that ever happened to you. You will be amazed at the results that come from this little game, because in goodness, no matter how tiny the grain of it, there is unlimited power for good, and it is never wasted. 

You have heard the old saying that a soft answer turneth away wrath? This game has the same principle incorporated in it, with a lot more added to it. Non-resistance is one thing, but by itself it is negative. Add your thoughts of praise and thoughts of blessings to it, and you turn it into a positive force for good. 

Don’t forget that it is the Next Level’s way to approach everything that you do with your best and most positive effort, and then whatever comes as a result of that effort can only be a positive lesson. 

I am a member of the Kingdom of Heaven. I am only a member of the Kingdom of Heaven. I was sent here to do a task. I want to complete that task as quickly as possible. I want to at all times remember who I am, what that task is and its urgency until we sit together again. 

My body is not a house for any negative or lower thoughts-or minds of this planet-most especially any critical or negative feelings directed at my Teachers or any of my Classmates. 

It(my body) is only a house for positive, healing and happy thoughts for it is performing a task for the Next Level.  

Put yourself in a frame of mind that would make you feel what a member of the Next Level feels. Make yourself feel that you are in the actual presence of an Older member. Yearn to be like Him, to emanate what He emanates. Force your mind to soar to such height that your thoughts and conduct are pleasing in His sight. Feel that He can see right through you and make yourself hold onto a calmness, a humility and a deep joy knowing you are a child in that same Kingdom. Don’t let any worries or thoughts of the human world distract you or enter your mind. Just sit there until you actually feel what it feels like to be in His presence-hoping He is pleased with your efforts. Hold onto this feeling for some minutes until you actually feel that your vibrations are acceptable to Him. Then very carefully and slowly as you leave your spot of meditation take that feeling with you. It should cause you to have a strong-quiet glow in your countenance. Learn to hold that glow with you and when it begins to dissipate it’s time to repeat the meditation and restore that feeling. Each time it should get stronger and last longer. 

Say strongly to yourself: “I want to stay on a higher frequency” (out of reach of human vibrations). Say this what will seem to be a million times a day-every time a human thought tries to come in or any discouragement-any grievance, etc. 

Say with excitement and anticipation: “I’m looking for you every moment (members of the Next Level). I literally want to see You. I know it depends on me whether You let me see You or not-now since I am going to stay on a higher frequency, I can say ‘I’m looking  for You everywhere-every minute-hoping I’ll deserve Your presence.’ 

One place I must learn that I can see Your presence is through my classmates-for They too are members of the Next Level.” 

Say with Strength: “I want my Teachers to see You. I know if I am ready to go-They can see You. I am from this moment on going to deserve for Them to be with You.” 

Now I want to imagine that I am sitting at the feet of the Chief…not being afraid of what He sees in me, but hoping He will examine me very carefully and thoroughly…prescribing exactly the circumstances, events and lessons which will start correction and adjustments so that I might get back on the tack of perfect growth. 

As I look at them now, I realize the past several years have been the happiest ones for me. I am so happy to be here in this craft-doing what the Members of the Next Level in the Heavens want me to do. I look around me and see only others doing the same thing-trying to please the Next Level and building a perfect body. 

I am extremely thankful for the opportunity to do this task. Extremely thankful that you have given me Teachers to guide me through it. Extremely thankful how you have provided for more than my needs, my food, a more than comfortable house, and (add any things you are particularly aware of and appreciative of). I hope my conduct can be an ever improving acceptable token of my appreciation. 

The power of life is flowing through me; My(body) is healing perfectly. 


[sawyer’s addition: This was given as a song, thus like a kirtan. It was to the tune of Bach’s Jesus Meine Freund]

Help me have no human ways. No thoughts of self, No faults to see. Only the ways of space. 

Now I know my heart is fast. In my Father’s path at last. Only the ways of space. Only the ways of space. 

[end of song]


-I would like to know more than I now knnow. 
-I would like to have more control over  my vehicle-it’s chemistry-its thoughts-its responses-its desires-than I now have. 
-I would like to rise above the things tthat distract me and bind me to this world. 

-There is a spot in the middle of my head. 
*-I am now concentrating-focusing on that spot. 

(It is about the size of my eyeball, it is like a gland that has been asleep, inactive, waiting for me to concentrate on it.) 

*-I am, right now, going to feel it become active and alive. 
*-I am focusing on it, I can feel it now in its location. 
*-All of my energy is being directed toward this Next Level gland. 
*-As this spot accepts all of my energy it is helping my chemistry change. 
*-I can feel the power of that energy there. 
*-I can feel the calm of that power. 
*-I can feel my chemistry in control. 
*-I feel no frustration or anxiety. 
*-I feel only that calm, powerful energy. 
(-As this spot becomes more alive it will help me sustain this calm.) 
(-It will eliminate distraction from my goal.) 
(-It will keep me clear.) 
(-I will know more.) 
*-As I recognize higher control and knowledge I will adopt it quickly, discarding my weaknesses. 
*-My potential for growth is limitless. 
*-I am rapidly changing. 
*-Growth has been offered to me and I am choosing to become it. 
*-I feel and hear that spot coming more to life! 
*-Change!  Vehicle, 
   Change! Chemistry. 
*-I am going to hold onto this until I sit and become even more!  

(* indicates especially long  pauses)

Sawyer re: Zoresterian Luciferian Space Aliens in article:World Leaders Flock To Afghanistan After Mysterious ‘Time Well’ Discovered

February 13, 2011

I received this article from a friend and thought it was a good example of how reality is twisted by the Luciferian dropout from true Kingdom of God creator crew, to forward their own agenda of enslaving humans to their purposes, of which Zorester seems to have been used in times past. The person who sent this article to another friend of mine who forwarded this to me says:

There was a suggestion that it was because of this discovery(below) that all the Ambassadors of the USA were called to WA DC for a meeting”.


article follows:

World Leaders Flock To Afghanistan After Mysterious ‘Time Well’ Discovered

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers



A peculiar report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) circulating in the Kremlin today states that German Chancellor Angela Merkel has become the latest in a growing line of Western leaders to make a ‘surprise’ visit to Afghanistan this month and follows visits by United States President Obama (December 3rd), British Prime Minister David Cameron (December 7th) and French President Nicolas Sarkozy (December 8th).

Only Sarkozy’s trip, this report says, was concealed as he was already in India on a state visit when ‘rushed’ by a US Military aircraft to the Afghan war zone.

What caused the sudden rush of these most powerful leaders of the Western World to go to Afghanistan, this report continues, was to directly view the discovery by US Military scientists of what is described as a “Vimāna” entrapped in a “Time Well” that has already caused the “disappearance” of at least 8 American Soldiers trying to remove it from the cave it has been hidden in for the past estimated 5,000 years.

From the ancient accounts found in the Sanskrit epic The Mahabharata, we know that a Vimāna [photo bottom left] measured twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. Apart from its ‘blazing missiles’, The Mahabharata records the use of its other deadly weapons that operated via a circular ‘reflector’. When switched on, it produced a ‘shaft of light’ which, when focused on any target, immediately ‘consumed it with its power’.

To the “Time Well” encasing the Vimāna, this report continues, it appears to be an electromagnetic radiation-gravity field first postulated by Albert Einstein as the Unified Field Theory and long rumored to be behind the infamous American World War II experiment in teleportation called the Philadelphia Experiment that in 1943, like the events occurring in Afghanistan today, likewise, caused the sudden “disappearance” of US Soldiers.

The seemingly “perpetual” power source to this mysterious “Time Well”, this SVR report says, appears to be based on the technology of Edward Leedskalnin, who claimed to have discovered the “Secret Knowledge of the Ancients” and from 1923-1951 “single-handedly and secretly” carved over 1,100 tons of coral rock by an unknown process that created one of the World’s most mysterious accomplishments known as the Coral Castle.

Most intriguing of all about this report is its stating that not just any Vimāna has been discovered, but from the ancient writings contained in the cave where it was discovered, it claims that its “rightful owner” is the ancient prophet Zoroaster [pictured top left] who was the founder of arguably one of the most important religions of all time called Zoroastrianism.

Though little known to the World today, the religious philosophy of Zoroaster is credited with being the basis of all known religions that said the purpose of humankind, like that of all other creation, is to sustain aša [truth]. He further stated that for humankind, this occurs through active participation in life and the exercise of constructive thoughts, words and deeds.

Pliny the Elder, the first Century Roman author, naturalist, and natural philosopher, as well as naval and army commander of the early Roman Empire, further names Zoroaster as the inventor of magic”, a claim historians say was based on the over “two million lines” written about Zoroaster contained in the Ancient Royal Library of Alexandria that was ordered destroyed by the Christian Roman Emperor Theodosius I in 391 AD.

Important to note is that for the new Christian religion to grow, all of the elements relating to its true beginnings with Zoroaster had to be destroyed, and as we can read from the 440 AD notation about this destruction written in the ancient Historia Ecclesiastica, and which says:

“At the solicitation of Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, the emperor issued an order at this time for the demolition of the heathen temples in that city; commanding also that it should be put in execution under the direction of Theophilus. Seizing this opportunity, Theophilus exerted himself to the utmost to expose the pagan mysteries to contempt. And to begin with, he caused the Mithreum to be cleaned out, and exhibited to public view the tokens of its bloody mysteries. Then he destroyed the Serapeum, and the bloody rites of the Mithreum he publicly caricatured; the Serapeum also he showed full of extravagant superstitions, and he had the phalli of Priapus carried through the midst of the forum. … Thus this disturbance having been terminated, the governor of Alexandria, and the commander-in-chief of the troops in Egypt, assisted Theophilus in demolishing the heathen temples.”

The largest resurgence of Zoroaster “magic” among human beings, since the destruction of the Ancient Royal Library of Alexandria, occurred in the 13th Century among the Cathers who lived in Southern Europe .  Sadly, however, when the “power” of Zoroaster “magic” began to reappear in the World once again, the threat to Christianity was undeniable and prompted Pope Innocent III (1161-1216) to order the largest massacre in Europe not duplicated until the horrors of World War II.

To how brutal the Cathers were suppressed by Catholic Rome we can read from the history of those times:

“Arnaud, the Cistercian abbot-commander, is supposed to have been asked how to tell Cathars from Catholics. His reply, recalled by Caesar of Heisterbach, a fellow Cistercian, thirty years later was “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.”“Kill them all, the Lord will recognize His own.

The doors of the church of St Mary Magdalene were broken down and the refugees dragged out and slaughtered. Reportedly, 7,000 people died there. Elsewhere in the town many more thousands were mutilated and killed. Prisoners were blinded, dragged behind horses, and used for target practice.

What remained of the city was razed by fire. Arnaud wrote to Pope Innocent III, “Today your Holiness, twenty thousand heretics were put to the sword, regardless of rank, age, or sex”. The permanent population of Béziers at that time was then probably no more than 5,000, but local refugees seeking shelter within the city walls could conceivably have increased the number to 20,000.”

Today, in the ancient Afghanistan city of Balkh, where Zoroaster is said to have lived and died, and claimed by Marco Polo to be one of the World’s “noble and great cities”, a new Global Empire, the United States , holds both our past and our future in its hands with the discovery of this ancient Vimāna.

To if the Western leaders who have seen this ancient wonder will allow it to be known it is not in our knowing.  What is in our knowing, though, is that if the past is truly an indicator of the future, the words soon to flow from Christendom will echo those of times past…. “Kill Them All, The Lord Will Recognize His Own”.

© December 21, 2010 EU and US all rights reserved. Permission to use this report in its entirety is granted under the condition it is linked back to its original source at WhatDoesItMean.Com.

[Ed. Note: Western governments and their intelligence services actively campaign against the information found in these reports so as not to alarm their citizens about the many catastrophic Earth changes and events to come, a stance that the Sisters of Sorcha Faal strongly disagrees with in believing that it is every human beings right to know the truth.  Due to our missions conflicts with that of those governments, the responses of their ‘agents’ against us has been a longstanding misinformation/misdirection campaign designed to discredit and which is addressed in the report “Who Is Sorcha Faal?”.]
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 My response to this article:

Here is the tell tale quote attributed to Zorester’s teachings that demonstrate who he worked for knowingly or not:

“Though little known to the World today, the religious philosophy of Zoroaster is credited with being the basis of all known religions that said the purpose of humankind, like that of all other creation, is to sustain aša [truth]. He further stated that for humankind, this occurs through active participation in life and the exercise of constructive thoughts, words and deeds.”

1. The basis of religions means the basis of illusion as mixed with the realities that stimulated the manifestation of the vast illusions (maya).

2. re: purpose of humankind to sustain truth – again HUGE illusion as it’s undefinable. What truth? Which truth? So humans were NEEDED to somehow preserve this nebulous TRUTH. HOW? Do they bury it in a cave, write about it on cave walls or papyrus or books? I guess that could be a “yes” but given how little understanding there is as to the full intent of all ancient writings/pictorial the so called human purpose has terribly failed.

Now, with that said, I can see that the Luciferian typed space aliens which do have certain information as to the realities beyond any one civilization do wish to preserve what they know and the so called magic that can be derived from such knowledge – like how to construct certain devices for travel and/or for weaponry and mining operations and such ALL for HUMAN reasons. Thus THEIR human slaves (know it or not) certainly are needed by the space aliens to preserve such so called truths, and since many humans were bred by these same Luciferian space aliens (fallen angels) this IS their  ultimate purpose.

However, that doesn’t conclude that that’s the ultimate purpose of humanity as a species. If the space aliens had actually created the elements and life systems, genetic structures and elemental interactive signatures and characteristics in the first place they wouldnt’ NEED humans for anything.

Hence what separated the real creators from the charlatans. The real creators don’t NEED humans at all for their own survival or purposes as ALL the space aliens by the vast amounts of evidence ancient and to date demonstrate needing.

So Zorester appears to be from the same bunch as Paul of Tarsus and Mohammad and today as Rael (who says the purpose of humanity is to have pleasure, another loony tunes worthlessness of so called purpose except how it brings temporal pleasures – the only tiny, tiny reward for all their tiny, tiny efforts) and Sun Yung Moon and many others who claim to be reps of higher beings or spirits all also saying they are supportive of Jesus and Moses BUT who never ever, ever teach what they taught except around the periphery of their teachings, how to cut one’s beard or to break bread or talk/act peacefully (unless threatened) or to even assist with huge social movements that LOOK good and here is the big twist.

 Many things some do are GOOD. Remember the origin of the term is actually functional/purposeful, and USEful as opposed to evil really being that which is troublemaking and/or use less.

 The true creators USE ALL things and human and space alien responses for Their benefit in the only real highest purpose of humanity which IS without doubt to: CHOOSE to EVOLVE BEyond their human mammalian condition and lifespan/environmental limitations which can ONLY be done by being taken through a very, very specific program/process in the presence of someone who has already been through the same process many times. The formula for this process at every trimester towards that birth with a degree of bonding to the creator’s true representative which entails living exactly as They command. That’s why it was important to learn to obey one’s parents in early stages of that 3 trimester development process.

 Moses demonstrated the first trimester, Jesus the second and Ti and Do the third, though each trimester can be repeated many times by any one soul that’s in the process. However, it’s only repeated when and for the souls that are brought back by the creators crew to have a repeat opportunity. In between, after the rep from the creator kingdom exits physically, the human genetic strain that provides the matching lesson opportunities for the souls trimester specific lessons are further nurtured to be prepared for the next time the rep returns with the souls to take on their next trimester development that always entails the previous trimesters experiences, with additions.

 That nurturing entails having an adversary thus any of the dropouts from this program who are still allowed to circulate in the lesson environment (earth),  having lost their belief and participation in the program seek to shape the genetic seed to their liking which entails twisting and distorting what the creators reps said and did. They don’t appear to go against that reps teachings as those teachings were too powerful in the reality of the overall process so they create facsimile programs called religions and practices and techniques that are often tools in the creator crews program but in this case not directed to the actual reps physically incarnate, instead directed at fellow humans whom they (the dropout luciferian space aliens, named such because they were once in a 3rd trimester program that enabled their participation in the creator crews projects that entailed having spacecrafts and some circulation around the planet though only in the immediate near space(heavens), as humans are developing to date w/certain assistance from same space aliens) bolster as teachers.

 If you think this makes any sense, as another option of thought, please feel free to circulate it to your list. I have yet to approach this person to ask. I know I do a poor job explaining this as it’s very very simple yet been made extremely complex to comprehend because the space aliens and all their discarnate counterparts (those who died in belief of the space aliens whether they called them that or not) cling to keeping us (those in human vehicles at this time) away from the simple USEful truth, useful to the creator crew so they (the dropouts) can continue keeping humans glued to their useless agenda and the protection of that reality of it’s uselessness.

Sources of Information for Ti and Do and Student (Saints)

February 11, 2011

Here are the list of current sources I can stand behind as being authentic. There are people creating sites and video’s and such that are not authentic, while there are some who are also producing video’s where they are doing the best job they can do, but from new believers thus may or may not contain inaccuracies. If you come across anything I’d like to know about it so I can see if they are presenting inaccurate information. It’s just a matter of time before there is more and more disinformation circulated just as occurred after Jesus exited, starting subtly with Paul of Tarsus.

Number one direct source of info is still at:
You can copy and paste all the articles and statements there. There is a site but I don’t know how reliable they are as I don’t know who maintains it, but you used to be able to download this same book in .zip format at:

The two individuals who are continuing to maintain the site were given that task by Do before they exited. They were also left with the book for publishing which they have done. If you write to the email address on that site you might be able to buy the softcopy book that is all the info that is otherwise provided for free on the site though it’s bound and may have some additions.

Second equally good source for as long as it stays as it is today, is YouTube channel:
which has the Beyond Human Video Series posted and many of the Exit Video’s They produced before exiting their physical vehicles.

On YouTube find a video series plus three other videos at:

I maintain a site at:
where I have a year’s worth of podcasts free for listening and downloading plus many blog entries.

Next I maintain a blog at:

and then of course here on Facebook under:

I have published some articles on:

There is also a stash of actual digitized audio tapes from the actual inside the classroom meetings. Most times Ti and Do met with the group of students it was taped. There are well over 400 hours of these tapes going back to 1980 where you can get a feel for Ti as she was with us til 1985 and Do during that time and thereafter. The quality is not good but it’s able to be heard. That site is currently provided by Carlan who was in the classroom for a short time in 1994 but who is a full believer advocate of all of Ti and Do’s teachings. When Carlan first put these tapes online they were for free download but since then (some years ago) 4shared has begun to charge to download. None of what they charge goes to Carlan. The address is:

I would also suggest purchasing Rio’s book entitled: Beyond Human Mind though I don’t know where you can find it.

After that if you have questions I will try to help you by writing me an email at:

Two Witnesses Father Jesus Second Coming as Ti Do Part 11 Religion=Soul Stagnation

February 10, 2011

You can watch the video link below which comes with some original music or skip the link and read the text of the info-video.

Note: By religion I am not saying there aren’t plenty of people in such organizations who are intensely dedicated to the Kingdom of God as they best understand it and their participation. Therefore it can be a “stepping stone”. However, if it’s participation keeps one from opening up to all the new things that are happening at any time in history then that is where even good intentions can become lost.

More on the 4 Horsemen in Rev.6:Some feel the White Horse is False Religion & Antichrist. Ti&Do said,ALL RELIGIONS ARE “KILLERS OF SOULS” thus all Religion is false belief as they’re all built on Luciferian distortions.

But what is Religion? It’s the adherence to, trust of, participation & allegiance to an organization & it’s leaders as claiming to represent in whatever cultural reference the Creator(s) of the Universe.

Even w/the best of intentions among religious leaders they insert a human interface between participant humans & that Creator Kingdom,a natural lure as a facsimile of the Creator’s use of human interface eg. Moses & Jesus.

However,this facsimile still serves the Creator’s purpose by spreading the core teachings of their representatives & instills a more civilized societal standard of behavior than what the previous Creator rep. had introduced.

For instance Moses teaches “an eye for an eye”,while Jesus says to “turn the other cheek”. Moses is still working w/mammalian styled justice while Jesus is introducing the Soul as the more valuable life form to preserve.

In other words, Jesus is saying that we must grow to a willingness to sacrifice the body’s well being, as a show that the Soul seeds, the Creator plants are “taking”, aka bonding/grafting by faith to the provided Branch.

The physical body has no proof that “turning the other cheek” will in any way be beneficial & even goes against it’s mammalian nature but when that body dies, the Soul that still remains is aware they haven’t perished.

They’re met by invisible workers from the Creator’s kingdom which proves what they were willing to believe before their physical death which constitutes greater faith. But all who become discarnate interact w/living humans.

Living humans who are actually sophisticated time share biological computer systems are influenced & taught by their experience to include what the discarnates attracted to them experienced and believed before they died.

A type of directed mental evolution/devolution results as the living human accepts/rejects certain ideas/beliefs & perceptions & integrates them into their lives & the lives of others & passes some on to their offspring.

Since many humans die w/o having been seeded by the Creator Kingdom, they continue to  provide for doubt in what those who are seeded come to recognize together w/less willingness to adopt more civilized behaviors.

That’s why Jesus was forgiving of those that even put his vehicle to death: “Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.”

& why those who are given that direct Creator Crew attention by incarnate reps are held to a higher standard. “Lk 12:48…For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required:…”

But the big way religions are killers of souls starts by their convincing people they’re on a path to Heaven by simply agreeing to the terms, conditions, practices, service(tithing) & minimum behaviors of that organization.

& they have zero idea how to identify the REP. when They incarnate again because they weren’t taught the KoG’s motif operandi BUT talk confidently that they’re the KoG’s chosen while not knowing hardly anything the Rep said.

Luciferians work hard to brainwash us touting LOVE & PEACE as tenants of the Kingdom of God’s(KoG) teachings.Shrewd wolves.These ARE BEHAVIORs of members of the KoG, but don’t bring us to OVERCOMING OUR world(humanness).

Yes,humanitarianism (helping fellow humans, poor,sick,disadvantaged,etc. & environmentalism (reasonably using our resources w/care for the health & well being of all creatures) are also “WAYS” of members in the KoG.

But when a woman was anointing Jesus w/ointment some students complained of it’s expense saying better to sell it & give to the poor. But Jesus said,”…the poor you have always w/you…”.He knew his burial was coming soon.

I’m referring to this because of how some think Ti&Do couldn’t be the promised return if they didn’t take care of the poor, etc. We did give a needy family one of our cars once when the situation arose.

Ti began an organization called Angel Helpers consisting of students to offer help to the aged but then nixed it due to legal issues. But Their task wasn’t to serve humans it was to teach us to serve the Next Level(KoG).

& students task then was to hit the deck running to try to make the steep grade to qualify for Ti&Do’s crew, a team.The reason for the 2nd great commandment,”love your neighbor as yourself” was to prepare us to serve KoG.

Religions do generally purport these tenants yet are still “killers of Souls” because we can be humanitarian yet not regularly, privately asking for the WILL of KoG for us while watching for the answers w/openness to change.

It’s generally believed that such thinking is reserved for those who join clergy in some way/terms, another major distortion opening up the misnomer that becoming part of clergy is more godly & someone to look up to.

Next thing we know,we primarily talk to KoG the way that clergy interprets the record(bible,etc.) & it’s intended application. Jesus called this the “blind leading the blind” applicable then & now.

It’s inevitable for Religions to form some time after the member of the Next Level physically exits & w/it a gradual distortion. Thus all Religions qualify as a pathway, though no less or more than a non-religious endeavour.

That’s because the KoG isn’t a RELIGION nor more approving of one over another.Do was pleased w/the way Islam, at least in theory respects modesty(the original reason to wear a covering) & other Moses instructions.

Sure many people in the so called developed world, really a way of saying, soul devolved world, because of how people begin to think they are superior, look down on others who don’t seem as sophisticated & intelligent.

Religions to include all spiritual practice are pathways as long as one keeps EYES OPEN outside any of it’s confines while ready & even eager to change their comfort zone in terms of belief, practices & life circumstances.

Hard times come upon us & as has been said, can bring people closer to one another AND to the KoG, even if from desperation. When times are good,fewer seek God’s help & are less willing to change & ASK for help.

Expecting govt to help us is understandable when we all pay so many taxes & fees all our lives but govt’s aren’t compassionate & always morph to great anti-KoG corruption whether they are religious or secular based.

One of many examples in the U.S. is the song,America…God shed His Grace on thee…”.Grace=gift,endowment,deliverance,favour which most think of as material prosperity but for KoG=Soul Harvest Classroom Opportunity.

Now, many modern day Christians, but actually religionists & spiritualists are becoming moreorless atheists talking mystically mixed w/lust for wealth while avoiding any who don’t fit their particular dogma.

We don’t feel hedonistic (living for one sensory satisfaction to the next) & it’s not like there’s anything wrong w/doing so. It is simply a degreed option, but it can lead to settling into norms we become addicted to.

Whether it’s Nepal or Columbia, Amsterdam, the U.S. or anywhere it’s the same story. The land is filled w/ReligioSpiritualNewAge commercialist hedonistic atheism that’s falling to pieces causing global polarization from KoG.

Cathedrals,temples, mosques,corporate & governmental buildings abound as the seed of Luciferians from 1 or more of Earth’s &/or other planetary civilizations thrive upon the mass of their human unwitting subjects.

The choice is still ours though. Isn’t the handwriting on the wall plain as day.This Global system called in Revelation Babylon the beast will consume itself,the very people that aided it’s manufactured self righteousness.

Meanwhile Christian sects will rally membership to send their manpower & monies oversees,while in their backyard people are hurting.They often fall into the pit of becoming the judge of who deserves help & who doesn’t.

Even the Salvation Army in many areas requires people to sit through a religious service to receive help.There are of course many exceptions & people that would give you their last can of food or clothing off their back.

The KoG has ways of genuinely noticing what we do but mind you, what happens to our physical body, though often very difficult doesn’t impact our Spirit &/or Soul unless we allow it/choose for it to by distancing the KoG.

Tithing,ceremonies,glorification of hierarchy(support) & of SAINTs by committee,bowing to statues,adornments,meditations(prayer) in groups,mantra(songs),limiting study materials,persecutions of challengers all can=SOUL DEATH!

Why? Because all that is for ourselves alone,though we can claim it helps this or that person w/this or that aliment, mental or physical & of course techniques can help, but what they help us to be is more glued to humanness.

Let’s face it, Humanness=death.Of course the most walking dead are those that think there is nothing else. Even Space alien worshippers are dead because the space aliens are dead. At this time dead=even of Spirit.

Had I not been given a huge chunk of foo foo juice, angel dust, smelling salts and you had, then you’d be writing this & I’d be thinking your nuts or are afraid of death or jealous of those w/success to live for.

In the US it has hit huge proportions in Christian mini-empires w/commercial interests galore,whether it’s SunYung Moon’s cult, Catholicism or Evangelical Radio/TV/satellite/Internet BUSINESS operations & all anti-Jesus.

But what’s the problem w/business if it’s geared to help people eat & come to Jesus?Because they don’t come to a REAL Jesus! So, when KoG member(last named Jesus)returns no one has a clue how to identify Him so they miss out.

But more importantly than any one person missing out,is how they influence other’s to also miss out.That’s why it’s crucial to allow others to make up their own mind while learning the motif operandi of all members of KoG.

But the Luciferians hardly stop creating their facsimile’s of the KoG program as when some see through organized religion, they become prey for alternatives, spiritual,paranormal,shamanic,metaphysical & even atheistic.

Of course a quaestor traversing thru one or more of these belief forms,including belief in nothing(all still hypothesis),often settle & have their Souls further doomed by “the cares of the world”, as Jesus referenced them.

The entire CULT buildup in the 60-70’s was the response to the KoG’s incarnate membership, providing the LIGHT all seekers were drawn to, though most found a Luciferian influenced religious related facsimile.

It didn’t hurt anyone UNLESS they stopped WATCHING & totally preoccupied their time w/building their own mini-empire,the success of which self absorbs them into an authority, thus “What’s God got to do, got to do with it”

As Jesus said,”many are called but few are chosen”.This was the reason for the migration to Calif.,because Ti&Do & crew(saints) were to begin blowing the horn(shofar) in the City of God(Angels=New Jerusalem=Los Angeles,1975.

But though only a few are chosen at a time, ALL have opportunity, the reason the KoG made sure the Ti&Do story, then Bo & Peep, or UFO Two would be international headlines, actually in 1975-6 & 1997 as Heaven’s Gate til now.

What some mean when they say the WHITE Horse=AntiChrist is that those Anti Christ will commandeer the term:Gr.leuko=white light, also brilliance,of course being the primary way Luciferians partly distort KoG’s communication.

Luciferians are dropout Souls who hate the KoG & strive to do whatever they can to steal Souls from the KoG if they can so they create facsimiles of what they know is generally coming as they once participated in KoG work.

They are real beings,but they’d rather we believe they are not.They create an image of a red pitchforked devil so when they come in soft spoken w/flowing WHITE robes we’ll not suspect they are in fact seeking our allegiance.

The Firey RED reference to a devil,expressed before as Communist,Fascist & Republican, though totally muddied stands for Atheist despite Religious talk & appearances thus are all represented by the Rev 6 RED WAR HORSE.

But this is not to say,Socialists,Democrats & all the other labels w/or w/o their religio-spiritual banners are any less the RED WAR horse.Isn’t it interesting that WHITE stands BETWEEN RED & BLUE in the U.S. Flag.

Isn’t it interesting that most religio-spiritual organizations have largely captured WHITE as their common ICON adding confusion so that some interpret the WHITE Horse in Rev 6 as anything but the genuine KoG colorlessness.

Some interpret the origin of the term HUMAN as a Hue=color/shade of MAN as MAN is what we can BECOME minus hue having outgrown race & gender as MAN is color/gender less, a next evolutionary step above HUMAN mammalian.

Luciferians past work for KoG was largely in the last civilization on Earth,but their renegade mindset began before Earth. KoG keeps some around to use as a type of fertilizer to help grow the Soul seeds they plant.

Eve,the name of Adam’s partner,both as starting seeds for the latest Soul garden plot on Earth was deceived into breaking the Lord’s instruction thus “her desire shall be to thy husband & he shall rule over her”

Many talk of this as a punishment.Sin means “missed the mark/goal”.The 1st goal was to learn to follow  KoG’s instructions.But these two weren’t alone in that so called “garden” area.This so called Serpent was there.

Serpent here is Hebrew nachash – to hiss(like a snake),whisper,enchant, foretell which Eve was the subject of & whom she was tempted by.This was a KoG test.Ti & Do called everything the KoG did an experiment.

It wasn’t a serpent or literal snake, though there may be some relationship to reptilian.Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more shrewd than any living creature of the wild which the Elohim had made.

Mind you, Elohim meant rulers,judges,above human beings. Today Luciferian space aliens captured Rael’s mind & said they were Elohim,though they slipped up in saying they didn’t actually create the planet,just the humans.

Lord To Serpent:”Gen 3:15 & I will put opposition between you & the woman & between thy seed & her seed;it shall bruise thy head (shake you from your height) & you shall bruise her heel(cause her stumble along her path).

So this Living Being translators called serpents(mystifying the story)also had SEED(offspring) thus were reproducers like humans & became some of our human genetic ancestors. Here’s the origin of Rael’s Elohim:

Remember the talk of the fallen angels:Gen 6:1-2 It came to pass,when men began to multiply on the face of the earth & daughters were born to them,that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair;

& they took them wives of all which they chose.Hebrew,Ben=child(of Elohim).But even if they were Sons doesn’t mean they became ADULTS in KoG as then they wouldn’t have had a reason to take a wife,nor a way to make babies.

They weren’t Son’s of God in the way Jesus was said to be a Son of God,though he didn’t refer to himself that way.He referred to himself as a Son of Man, because He,the Soul from the KoG took over the body prepped for him.

So yes, He is an invisible to the human eye Being but that’s not the same as a human when they are without a physical body.Their Soul body is far more dense & powerful & has a above-human body in it’s KoG environment.

But the way we most see Luciferians is through the humans they commandeer to do their bidding;religious & spiritual leaders where religion is ANY Systematic,organized Belief even called Science “theory” & anti-theist belief.

It’s not the belief itself that is problematic as that’s our exercise of free will, it’s forming organizations around beliefs w/ hierarchy to administer & act as authorities of beliefs that constricts our growth potential.

Naturally organs. will arise w/their deification whether in scientific,spiritual, governmental,social or environmental ways. It all serves a purpose in defining which “god” we EACH wish to place our primary allegiance.

Luciferians know their time is short til they’re forced underground again to escape the upcoming recycling period.Rev.20:2…& bound him a 1000 yrs…cast him into the bottomless pit,shut him up,no deceiving nations til…

Luciferians who make up most of the Space Aliens have discarnate counterparts (all who die in their alignment,conscious or not) convince humans they don’t exist now or historically &/or that the Kingdom of God doesn’t exist.

They convince others that Humans are equivalent to Gods & they often use Jesus quotes. For instance:Luk 17:20…Pharisees demand when the KoG should come, he said…It doesn’t come w/observation…KoG is within you.

So yes, a chip/deposit/seed from the KoG is put literally inside those horses they feel are ready(thirsty).That’s  like adopting a pet dog.The pet gets the tag/master but it’s a long road to becoming a human.

Luciferians love to beef up humans & do anything to keep them from recognition of the KoG as real,many  membered & obtainable. Most Religio-spiritual-atheists ALL have been snookered & will fight to the death ignoring it.

They say God,Jesus,the Universe, Leaders & even Space Brother Aliens love us & all we need to do to be saved/have Heaven/Utopia is accept it,give homage,pray,meditate,do yoga,feel love, chant/sing w/good intentions.

Do we think deer & antelope believe the same when the lion is devouring their children? I am not mocking any who gravitate to such beliefs & practices.But refusing to open up to what’s more real is a consequence.

No one wants to feel confused or a fool or as being used & manipulated, so the Luciferians play on such.Everyone at some point wants to feel of value to themselves & others & that’s played on us as well.

Many think we can Save the Planet & humanity,eliminate hunger,cure all disease,stop pollution, halt wars,stop abuses & deceit through any of the aforementioned beliefs w/the addition of technologies, yet another god form.

Sure there are evidences of all having certain successes so one could surmise if we all thought/acted the same we’d have our Utopian society.Actually Ti & Do briefly spoke to this prospect in response to their critics.

They said if all humans did become peaceful, compassionate,loving, etc. then The Level Above Human(KoG) members could walk among us & use the Earth, calling it a “Heavenly Body” as a base for nearby Garden operations.

That would be like humans having an animal pet farm of sorts where some of the animals that gravitated to serving their human masters are given more & more tasks until they desired to try to even become like their masters.

Then,they’d be provided the Overcoming Process,the ticket being their willingness to give their ALL while clinging to nothing in their past.The 1st stage being belief in one’s master,the Moses experiential classroom.

Jesus took that group through their next phase while among those who were new to the Masters ID stimulated candidates for a NEXT firsttimer classroom consisting of those who believe in Him after he exits his physical body.

The final phase for that original classroom is what we witnessed in Ti&Do’s group,while now there are both potential first time believers & second timers.I’m talking Souls here but they all must work thru human vehicles.

To create this classroom environment great challenges need to be set up.First time Belief is a big one but then belief & service is yet another.The human body we wear though of essential value to us is a tool w/limited use.

When we become a student in any of these stages, we don’t decide when our vehicle/tool has served it’s function.The Next Level decides that & gives us permission to exit,including at times their taking away protections.

This was the case for Do & His students.Each student had to prove to Do they were ready to exit in what the world would see as coerced suicide but that’s because the humans w/o a growing Soul aren’t more than their body.

Thus for all those who weren’t in that particular classroom(though there may have been a few exceptions), it would have been a sad suicide. But by what criteria did Do give students such permission?

Well, I know I could be wrong about this, but feel the main criteria from Do’s perspective was the fact that Ti was outside her vehicle so could KNOW whether a particular student was genuinely ready enough.

Do knew he might be able to be fooled.From the beginning Ti & Do said they didn’t “read” us.They took us for our word & actions. However, Do was very much in touch w/Ti while she was in her vehicle & I suspect more so after.

But how did that transpire? Did Ti put thoughts in Do’s head? Not exactly. He,as Ti when she was in her vehicle said,every night They spent hours thinking about & asking their invisible Older Members how to help each student.

From that periodically they would get ideas that they called lesson steps which ended up putting certain students to the test. Going into each lesson they didn’t always know which students would be most tested.

But it became very apparent into the lesson step. One early lesson step was simply thinking about food as fuel & preparation of food as an experiment & what humans call a kitchen was called a Nutri-Lab.

A recipe=a formula w/the result=BODY CHANGES,the metamorphic transformation within that by ADHERING TO yielded the Soul’s birth. It wasn’t different terms nor food yielding changes.It was trusting/bonding w/our Older Members.

Some students had thoughts critical of Ti&Do’s every move.They had to learn to shut them off. Some thought it was silly, another BOOGER what we called a discarnate INFLUENCE, actually a ticket to a strong will thru  blocking.

Meanwhile various Luciferian types which can be many, many beings inhabiting human or equivalent vehicles are second guessing where, when & how a Next Level Above Human classroom will arise to try to thwart the effort.

The KoG returns undercover,like a thief in the night(secretly) & brings back all the Souls in the program.The presence of Their huge MINDs open the doors to advancement in ALL forms & particularly where the OM’s incarnate.

A result is great leaps in inventions,prosperity, freedoms,spiritual seeking,etc.The Luciferians take advantage of this climate seeking to distract from the FACT that the opportunity is a gift to test whether we want more.

If the human has even a little sense of a Creator,they may try lots of things but can get KoG help to not become entrenched. Others see these as, just not having what it takes, making bad choices, not finding their niche.

This occurs mostly in material terms,having little desire to find/make/press into success.They hate the manipulations & game playing to compete to get ahead. The Luciferians try to entrap them in other ways.

They may break the law & get locked up, or create ties to a mate/family development or become dependant on various substances. Of course even those w/success easily become entrapped. However these really fear/avoid changes.

Even if we are miserable,we can become comfortable in that condition.The Luciferians will try to entrap us w/a very strong drug: religiosity/spirituality.Gratitude for freedom from a tainted past can block further openness.

For each of us, it’s like the story of Job.The Luciferians know we are a prize & the KoG allows those Luciferian discarnates to test us, knowing that if we always return to asking the KoG for help, we’ll get it.

The test now! To take a next leap of faith to ask Ti and Do for help. They are not and will not be in human physical vehicles again in this current civilization thus ask in private as often as you wish about anything.

At times they will answer in a dream, at others by a fellow human’s mouth, or by a TV show or movie. At times there won’t be any apparent answer which IS also an answer. The Luciferians will continue to try to dissuade you.

At times you may feel nutty talking to Ti & Do. You will hear all kinds of rebuttals against them. You will not  have all the answers but you will begin to trust you’re being given what you need.

I have done a great deal of writing about all this. I know my writing skills are terrible & I have little time & have lots of interference w/putting these out. You can find more info in the following locations:, Heavensgate & actual tapes of Ti & Do’s classroom meetings are available at:

Two Witnesses Ti Do Father Jesus Second Coming on Castration Suicide antiChrist Religion Spirituality Atheism UFO(Comet)

February 10, 2011

I’ve added the Link to the original info-video I produced. The video includes original music myself and some musical collegues produce that some find interest in. If you prefer having the text or want to cut it to your local computer to read at your leasure, the text follows the link.

I Sawyer,who was physically w/Ti & Do as one of Their students for 19 years, left Them because I wasn’t ready to EXIT w/ Them, but who since has sought continued service, truthfully testify of my belief & experience:

Abbreviations:KoG=Kingdom of God/Heaven,OM=Older Member(Heavenly Fathers(Gods)=Jesus,Ti,Do),Rep= Representative from KoG. LAH=Level Above Human(KoG/H).NL=Next Level(as in Next Evolutionary Level Above Human),w/=with.

Ti & Do,the names of The Two Witnesses from the Kingdom of God(KoG),incarnate from ~1973 til 1985(Ti) & til 1997(Do) are most known by Their(Do/Students)public EXIT of their physical bodies as the Heaven’s Gate group.

Most media followed in lock step as usual in for profit corporations,calling Their actions suicide, because of how They voluntarily consumed barbituates to intentionally “lay their bodies down” to a permanent sleep.

I’m critical of the story’s media coverage because of how little research was demonstrated when abundant data was available. Sure they covered the event itself, just next to nothing about WHY & the abundant Jesus links.

I hope grieving families of the group members have sought God’s help to understand their choices.This offerring may be of some assistance in that regard,however difficult to consider, let alone to embrace.

THEY didn’t consider it suicide because They knew They weren’t ONLY Their body & because They knew who they were doing it for: Do,Their Older Member aka Heavenly Father,the same Soul that had entered the body named Jesus.

Do wasn’t Jesus.He was the same Soul who took over(incarnated)into the body named Jesus.Upon return a new body is selected,hence Jesus warning that many would come “in his name”,the name Jesus so not to believe those are Him.

“Mat 24:5 many shall come IN MY NAME (Gr.onoma=name), saying,I am Christ; & shall deceive many”.After Jesus’ exit Luciferians appeared to humans(Paul) as Jesus to subtly distort the truth which begins a religion.

Ti&Do said in 1975 that They were from the “same family as Jesus” though Ti had said, Do was the same Soul that was incarnate as Enoch,Moses,Elijah & Jesus.Do told us that Ti was the unseen Lord in each of those incarnations.

An incarnation isn’t what’s been termed reincarnation, more accurately described as “taking over” a human vehicle prepared for Their task.Ti&Do said they chose human vehicles to use that were sickly & unlikley to survive.

It’s true that a mortal human lives only once,though they simulate living after death by seeking to live through other humans. When the KoG implants a Soul seed into a human,they are gifted w/POTENTIAL immortality.

Many things KoG says & does through their incarnate Rep(s)  have multiple applications. For instance,the term resurrection means to STAND UP AGAIN.Jesus told his disciples they must be born(of flesh) again for a Soul birth.

In this case to be Born Again of flesh is referring to the fact that each of His student’s physical body was as a  leaf off a branch of the human tree & that like any perennial would sprout (be born) again.

Each new leaf regeneration carries w/it a subconscious memory of it’s last life experience thus becomes a “matching” vehicle for a returning Soul to “take” & potentially bring to the goal of it’s “spirit birth”.

“Joh 3:5-6…Except a man be born of water & of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the KoG.That which is born of flesh is flesh & that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (Spirit=Greek: pneuma=invisible Soul/dis-carnate).

“Joh 3:7-8 Marvel not that I said to you,Ye must be born again.The wind blows where it wills & you hear the sound thereof but can’t tell from where it comes & where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

There is no definition of Spirit that represents simply a state of mind, like a decision or intention or committment though the contents of a Spirit/Soul contain all those qualities.

Just because millions of Christians consider themselves born again of spirit simply by thinking/talking about Jesus as their Lord & Savior,asking him into their hearts & repenting their sins doesn’t make it so.

“Mat 7:21 Not everyone that say to me Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in Heaven.”We’re not doing the Lords will unless we try to do ALL Jesus advised.

Let’s examine the prime record Christian leaders refer,indicating being saved by belief alone:Joh 3:16 God so loved the world that he gave his (only?) begotten Son,that whoever believes in Him shouldn’t perish,but have…

…everlasting life.Joh 3:17 God didn’t send his Son to the world(Gr.Kosmos=Earth) to condemn human kind; but that humans through him (might be?) saved.If “might” was used then it was simply possible not a certainty.

Joh 6:40 this is the will of him that sent me,that every one which seeth the Son & believes in him, MAY have everlasting life & I will raise him up again (resurrect also used) at the last day. MAY indicates it’s possible.

But referring to believers,stand/raise up again means,born of flesh again(as a new leaf) that their “saved” soul is ALSO brought back to inhabit(take over/overcome) w/potentilal to then have RESURRECTed to LIFE(eternal).

It’s true one needs a human flesh vehicle to be able to be born of Spirit because that flesh nature (all of it) needs to be conquered, overcome, yolked/tamed, made obedient to the qualifications taught by the KoG.

Joh 5:28-29 hour is coming,in which all in graves shall hear his voice & shall come forth;they that have been useful to the resurrection of life;that have been useless to resurrection of a decision (for or against KoG).

The term resurrection(stand/arise up again) isn’t indicative of rising into heaven.It depends who we stand up again for, the KoG REP. or not which determines eternal LIFE or Death(1st=body & possibly SAVED & 2nd=perishing).

If resurrection meant going to heaven to be with Jesus, how is it that the “evil” or a better translation of “useless” also reap that reward?They don’t because resurrection means returning for a new flesh experience & choice.

Ti & Do said in 1975 that it was move up time for all grades in school and that all souls would be brought back for a final opportunity to grow. That opportunity is still alive for a short while longer.

Ti&Do wern’t using scripture as an outline of their task,to include what they said. If they had they’d have scrapped the idea of a physical pick up knowing that the harvest of their students had to be a Spirit(unseen) birth.

Ti&Do’s unseen helpers might have blocked this consciousness from Them to sort out initial followers who weren’t prepped for the overcoming classroom from those who were.Those prepped didn’t care about a physical pick up.

I know this because I didn’t care though there were 2 occasions where Ti(1x) & Do(1x) specifically set up a pickup date where we waited & no spacecraft came & certain students were definitely tested & some left because of.

Thus all who think their physical bodies will be taken into a cloud,called a rapture are missing the whole point.A Spirit birth can only occur by the death of the flesh birth while having met the KoG’s stiff qualifications:

They would have to link up w/the incarnate Reps,follow w/Them,give Them their will, be willing to physically die in service,cut ALL previous ties & work hard to conquer all their human vehicle’s desires, habits & addictions.

This means staying in the Older Members Overcoming Classroom through thick & thin,”Rev 14:4…Follow the lamb wherever he goes”. It means not using our own mind, but instead seeking to know the mind of one’s Older Members.

“Mat 16:24-25 Jesus said to disciples,If anyone will come after me,let him deny self(give will),take up his cross & follow me. Whoever will save his life shall lose it & whoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it”

It means working to extinguish one’s fire:sensuality & sexuality, holding in one’s lamp oil,a considered option to even pursue castration as Do &  6 students did.(I was 1 of the first 2 who chose to have this done).

I know it’s a shocking thought, even fanactical/insane to humans.I knew one in the group, when this OPTION was presented by Do, chose to leave.It was a tramatic departure for this member who’d been dedicated for ~15 years.

It was ~1990 when a few first started to examine castration as an option. Do told me, Prkody,Srrody and myself were the only 3 students who expressed a desire to consider having the operation so we began to investigate.

Prkody(who left the group in 1992) contacted some doctors & learned that none would perform that operation unless there was a medical reason for it. We learned it was more taboo than having a sex change operation.

Do said that he didn’t feel right about female students seeking an equivilent operation as it even seemed the male was designed to be relatively easily neutered.But Do didn’t want to deny us the fight against our sexuality.

That fight,equal to whatever fight each has against their otherwise normal human ways goes to building what Ti described as a needed “MUSCLE” that aids in the Soul body birth’s “VIABILITY” upon exit of the vehicle.

Do didn’t want to authorize a students exercising of this option if it might deny them of a needed ingredient,crutial to their viable spirit birth.Do was only asking certain ones if they had castration reservations & 1 did.

This adds more detail to the many times & ways Ti & Do put their students to a test that always resulted in some leaving.They hated losing a student.I witnessed how Do labored over how to help students.

That help was mostly in how to aid them in their overcoming of their particular brand of humaness, physical or mental.But it was also,to help them decide if this experiential classroom was what they desperately wanted.

I have lots of personal experience w/what I’m saying here.I was frequently assigned by Do to partner w/classmates that needed help that included Dst,Oll who were among the 38 & Hvv,Rth,And in 1992 before each left.

These were most specific assignments where I reported directly to Do about.I wasn’t doing this undercover like as a spy. The entire setup of the classroom was to be willing, even eager to be constantly scrutinized.

Overcoming all our human behaviors is very hard work & we as the subjects often are last to identify all that needs conquering. Hence another of the many reasons Older Members incarnate, to work w/us hands on, one on one.

One of my biggest lessons was to not let the standing I was given go to my head which I failed at.Assigning me to help others tested me but it also provided me w/many examples of how Ti&Do operated & why, which is for you.

Do was also concerned a student would have the operation & then leave the class & try to prosecute him which could jeopardize the entire Overcoming Classroom’s needed progress.Most students wern’t that sexually challenged.

Do felt to put the prospect on hold & over a year passed,though I told Do;if the option arose I’d do it.By then I’d read what Jesus said about castration & the extent someone might go to give their ALL to God:

Mat 19:7 (disciples ask:)…Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, & to put her away? Jesus said,Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:

…but from the beginning it was not so & I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication(reasons) (intercourse w/another while married) & shall marry another, committeth adultery: &…

…whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.Mat 19:10 His disciples say to him, If the case of the man be so w/his wife, it isn’t good to marry.But he said to them, All men cannot receive this saying,

…save they to whom it is given.Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb:& there are some eunuchs,which were made eunuchs of men:& there be eunuchs…

which HAVE MADE THEMSELVES EUNUCHS FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN’s SAKE. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Eunuch= Greek: eunouchizo=to castrate/neuter a man. The Essenes were said to practice this.

No one was required to do this, nor pressured into it. Do tried other ways to help students that wanted to squelch their “fire”. As it turned out I did not have it done. Do cancelled my opportunity. He wouldn’t let me do it.

Why? Well on the outside it was because my partner Srrody won the dice toss of who would go first. When both wanted something dice was a fair way to decide.Do didn’t tell us how to decide.One had to be first.

Lvvody was a registered nurse.Her job,that she still had at the time was as the assistant to a doctor who performed orchectomys. An orchectomy is a removal of a males testicles performed on testicular cancer patients.

Do told us over a year before that he was considering having the operation, so they had gathered all the needed tools to do the task ourselves.We were in San Clemente & set up a room that was surgically clean.

Lvvody began the operation on Srrody while Jnnody assisted.As Do & I watched Do said,”if this doesn’t bond us nothing will”. The operation had a problem.The drainage tubes weren’t draining fluids from the testicular sack.

Srrody’s vehicle’s sack blew up like a balloon (small orange size). Do expressed that he felt he’d made a mistake in allowing this & wanted to be turned in to the police.Jnnody, Lvvody & I insisted otherwise & handled it.

I took Srrody to a hospital while Jnnody & Lvvody stayed nearby.Do contacted Jwnody & Lggody & briefed them.The problem was easily fixed & Srrody was a trooper throughout & was very happy he went through with it.

Because of this Do cancelled my operation. I was disappointed.Before we tossed the dice,Do asked me if I had any reservations. I told him, “my vehicle isn’t looking forward to it, but I’m overriding my vehicle”.

I believe Ti(from her position then outside a vehicle) knew that I,Swyody wasn’t ready,so used the event to cause Do to cancel. I say this because I ended up leaving a year later having given into self-sexuality repeatedly.

For 17+ years I’d been 100% successful maintaining physical celebacy & perhaps 90% able to block sexual thoughts. However,I did have some challenging times & they came to a head in 1993 seemingly out of the blue.

I don’t know what it’s like for celebate humans,whether it gets easier to stay celebate but for me, it did not get easier.Sure I learned to “nip in the bud” the triggers but we were in a pressure cooker in the classroom.

Do said we were actually assigned a discarnate to act as our advasary(satan) that was our ticket to building that MUSCLE. I have evidence,an advasary was not allowed to test us beyond our capacity to handle though came close.

I was sitting at my computer programming desk job when the image of a woman’s breast entered my mind.Most weekends we had an outing to a movie & in some cases there would be a very brief nudity scene.

Do watched a movie before putting it on our outing list.He would tell us ahead that there was a little nudity & that if it bothered us, then close your eyes or turn away & practice blocking the thought.

By the way, we were instructed to avoid testing ourselves – like putting self in a position of temptation to see if we could withstand it.And we were instructed not to challenge discarnates either, the same kind of thing.

I had good eye/thought control,so I justified not closing my eyes, thinking I could handle the test.After all Do said the sight of a female breast felt equivilent to his viewing a grapefruit so I wanted to grow to that too.

But I became overcome w/the stimulus of that memory image & without touching myself had an emission.The only other times this had occurred was while asleep at times. We called them Nocternal emissions.

Do said about these that if we did nothing to stimulate it, it was little more than a relief valve going off so not to worry or feel guilt about it.I always did feel guilty about it anyway but not because Do instigated it.

It was because I grew very sensitive to sexual stimulus.If I allowed myself to linger on the back of a females neck I could feel a gland inside my body produce hormones that inevitably would necessitate a nocternal emission.

However,this really wasn’t the main reason I left.I was unknowingly harboring a discarnate martyrdom influence that had me think I was elevating myself to sacrifice myself physically whether by castration or death.

It took me 10 yrs after leaving to recognize why I’d left.It has to do with who’s SAKE I was acting for, mine or KoG’s thru Do? “Mat 10:39 He that finds his life shall lose it & he that LOSES HIS LIFE FOR MY SAKE FINDS IT.”

Mar 8:35 whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life FOR MY SAKE & the gospel’s shall save it. Joh 13:37 Peter said,Lord why can’t I follow you now?I will LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR YOUR SAKE.

Mat 19:29 every one that has forsaken houses,or brethren, or sisters,or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands FOR MY NAME’S SAKE, shall receive a hundredfold(new KoG family) & shall inherit everlasting life.

I was a zealot as were all the students.But my zealotry added to my ego(SELF importance) because it was tied to “liking being SEEN as special(heroic)”,actually a discarnate influence w/me from my youth.

Before Ti exited,she gave students a note expressing what behavior/ways “would keep us off the spacecraft”.My note had 3 points: 1)A little too pleased w/self. 2)Likes to be SEEN as something special 3)Sarcastic w/humans.

Someone who wants to be a hero thrives on feeling special & being looked up to.It’s different than doing heroic things though w/humans it’s mostly a mix.As KoG trainees,the program is to surrender ALL of what builds us up.

That’s why Jesus compared children w/aspirants of KoG membership.We need to transfer all our SELF confidence to our OM’s. Mat 18:3… Except ye be converted & become as little children,ye shall not enter into the KoG.

That’s a huge reason an OM needs to incarnate,to give us someone who we can trust giving our ALL to.It’s a matter of who we transfer our dependancy to, from ourselves & other humans to the provided KoG OM Rep.

Luciferians have us give that kind of devotion to fellow humans who obtain leadership positions. But Those who are primary KoG seed subconsciously know humans never measure up to KoG OM’s so tend to be nonconformist.

But of course there’s a lot more to identifying KoG seed & that’s not really our job, nor can we do so accurately but there are primarily two strains of genetic seed,KoG’s & the rest which has been mixed a great deal by now.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world;useful seed are the children of the kingdom;but tares are the children of the troublesome one. Now it can seem the good seed are represented by the Jews because that’s how it started out.

Mt 21:43 …The KoG shall be taken from you & given to a nation(people) bringing forth the fruits thereof.(fruit=believers). Joh 8:37 I know you’re Abraham’s seed;but ye seek to kill me,because my word has no place in you

Jesus’ rising from the dead was both a demonstration of his Soul surviving a physical death to STAND UP AGAIN & proof that he was NOT a SPIRIT entity or hallucination – letting them touch him,eat w/him & converse, plus.

Do Christians think Jesus stayed around 40 days showing over a dozen of them all sorts of proof he was physical & alive just for heck of it?Couldn’t He had come as a bright light that blinded them & talked to them that way?

That’s the Paul of Tarsus story,another of the many evidences that Paul was entrapped by Luciferians to sow confusion resulting in most of todays Christians.This is why all the believers in Ti&Do ran far away from religions.

This small group of men & women disciples were given physical PROOF & validation of all Jesus taught to propel them to spread the whole truth far & wide to make a lasting impression for future believers & the gene pool.

Their test was whether or not to talk about Jesus to those that hated to hear of it knowing they’d suffer the same loss of their physical body,clearly what Jesus said would be their service & proof to KoG of their worthiness.

Mat 20:23 he saith to them(disciples),Ye shall drink of my CUP & be baptized (cleansed) the way I am baptized…” CUP=lot/task. “Mt 26:39 Father,if possible let this CUP(give life) pass from me:but not as I will, but as thy”

Luk 22:20 …also the cup after supper, saying,This cup is the new convenant in my blood, which is shed for you.Joh 18:11 Jesus to Peter;Put up thy sword in the sheath:the cup which my Father hath given me,shall I not drink?

Thus Jesus’ task was to bring the FORMULA for graduation/harvest for those “sheep” his Father “gave to him” & to do that by his sharing the words his Father gave him to share followed by the demonstration of the formula.

The demonstration was to VOLUNTARILY “give up his physical life” that included both what would be considered as normal human behaviors – pursits of marriage, sex,prosperity,wealth & recognition & then his body.

“Luk 22:19 And he took bread & gave thanks & brake it & gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in recollection of me.” THIS DO=give your body, remembering my example NOT eating of bread.

Even if Jesus did intend for them to have food together in rememberence of Him, for it to become a cerimony that fails miserably to relate the fact that we too MUST give our Body & Blood is a typical Luciferian dilution.

This demonstration was absolutely necessary to offer proof that ALL he said & did was the genuine overcoming FORMULA AND NEEDED duplication for anyone who wants to be with him on his crew in His real Kingdom.

Remember how Buddhist monks lite themselves on fire in the 60-70’s in protest of war.That may have been a luciferian stimulated facsimili as other suicides tied to religious belief,eg.Solar Temple,Jim Jones,etc.

If the students of even Jim Jones & Solar Temple & David Koresh followers that died in their belief thought they were doing so for KoG in whatever their terms,then KoG may choose to “save” those souls for next lesson time.

But the leaders of these groups were co-opted by a Luciferian to look like what Lucifer knew was coming from the KoG though he didn’t know from who,how, when or where, so he looked for those he could capture to do his will.

So how can someone tell the difference as to most,Ti&Do’s Heaven’s Gate was a religion too? The differences are actually many. But the main one is that we don’t come to the KoG,They come to those who have genuinely ASKED.

When we privately talk to whatever our idea is of a Creator,WATCHERS(unable to be seen workers for KoG),hear us & offer us help to be in the path of KoG REPs when They come announcing Their task, blowing their shofar(horn).

No one can plan to be in that path & open minded to Their NEW message UNLESS they are prepared to receive it. Some examples: Mat 19:11 he said to them, All men cannot receive this saying, SAVE THEY TO WHOM IT IS GIVEN.

Mat 20:23 …Ye shall drink indeed of my cup & be baptized(cleansed) w/the baptism I’m baptized w/but to sit on my right & left isn’t mine to give, but it SHALL BE GIVEN TO THEM FOR WHOM IT IS PREPARED OF MY FATHER.

“Mat 13:11 [to disciples] it is GIVEN to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is NOT GIVEN.” “Joh 6:65 … no man can come to me, except it were GIVEN to him of my Father.”

But most Christians have been taught that they have been given this gift of recognition making them “born again”, & thus another Luciferian twist.Recognizing a returned Jesus means recognizing his returned words/formula.

Most have become convinced that they don’t have to literally GIVE THEIR LIVES to/for the next incarnate representative from KoG exactly as Jesus disciples had to do & did & that includes telling others the same formula.

Telling people about Jesus’ healing sick,helping poor & his sacrifice is fine & well but if we’re not telling others the FORMULA we’re spreading a diluted picture of who He is & what’s required to reap his promised reward.

The formula is NOT to become a priest or a devout religionist. It’s not designed to be enacted entirely until the Rep shows up physically because that Rep will seem to most everyone loony tunes &/or dangerous.

Thus choosing to go with that Rep,follow Them,learn from Them,give one’s LIFE to Them will put one at odds w/virtually everyone else so that one’s enemy will be those of one’s own household.

“Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.For I am come to set a man at variance against his father & the daughter against her mother…”.

A Luciferian twist is The formula of overcoming all our MAMMON master ways being relugated to an elite class called priests & made into an honorable vocation.Translations of the record become diluted & disquised.

The priests convince the so called lay followers that they have their own gifts to offer,the reason why they don’t have to adopt the priestly behaviors.Lucifer set this up big time through Paul. Here’s one example of many:

“1Co 12:28 God has set some in the church,1st apostles,2nd prophets,3rd teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.”Is he saying God=the Father Jesus referred to?

If so did that God do a poor job through his son Jesus in outlining this heirarchy of so called gifts of the body of believers? Note how the 4 gospels largely testify of one another w/many sayings duplicated but not exactly.

And how the Revelations of John have many parrallels to the 4 Gospels but 99% of Pauls writings have no parrallels. Why aren’t there more Christian theologians crying “fowl play” in Paul’s writing dominance over Jesus’?

But the KoG doesn’t let Their core record of the last REP diminish,so it’s there to aid the next rep as They must occupy a human vehicle that has genetic memory of the last REP,so can be awakened to what really occurred.

All the souls from the last Rep’s task who knew the formula & began to apply it, are helped by the KoG to choose a human vehicle they can help awaken to their genetic memory of being with the last Rep.

To these,”giving their life” is known & acceptible & they have made some headway in the detail of the formula’s application. This genetic & Soul memory also entails all aspects of the Jesus record they experienced.

Thus any return of a Rep MUST be met by society as a CULT.So what does Lucifer do?In anticipation of the Rep,over 1000’s of yrs. He stimulates cults that to the unprepared eye can resemble a distorted view of the last Rep.

Today, when anyone voluntarily takes their own life, it’s considered suicide.It’s even against the law. No one believes it can be done for a right w/God reason, though the Luciferians have twisted even that.

When a Soul Seeded human dies if their seed has TAKEN, as Jesus said…”didn’t die by the wayside,etc.” their Soul body is SAVED to be brought back for a next lesson period, where the idea of reincarnation came from.

In 1996 Do & students published a paper entitled,”Our Position Against Suicide” where they outline their great respect & need to live while examining how they might exit/get picked up by a KoG spacecraft(cloud of light).

They said,”The true meaning of “suicide” is to turn against the Next Level when it is being offered.In these last days, we are  focused on two primary tasks: one – of making a last attempt at telling the truth about how…

…the Next Level may be entered (our last effort at offering to individuals of this civilization the way to avoid “suicide”); and two – taking advantage of the rare opportunity we have each day – to work individually on…

…our personal overcoming & change,in preparation for entering the Kingdom of Heaven.” It was Sept.1994,while I was still w/ them that Do began to talk w/the entire group about taking it upon ourselves to exit & how.

This was just after finishing the 1994 public meeting series that took us to dozens of U.S. & Canadian cities over 9 months in which the group had added at least 12 new members.

If you go to you can see the list of cities & the way the meetings were announced.Critics claim that the members were brainwashed but there was no technique to do so & especially for new members.

Do certainly wanted to Exit. He & Ti talked about exiting in whatever way from nearly day one, though they didn’t enjoy how that might happen, like being killed by a religious fanactic.

It can seem they had a death wish,as if they hated living.They did grow to hate the human kingdom in the way humans had become so against all REAL things about the KoG despite all the religious & spiritual god/Jesus talk.

There was no brainwashing especially evidenced by the fact that Do told these 12 new members They were considering “exiting by our own hand” right after they joined which resulted in several leaving soon thereafter.

The primary reason it took them from Sept.94 til Mar.97 to exit by their own hand was to be sure the members were in fact of a clear mind to make such a HUGE decision that would shock & traumatize many in the world.

There’s no way to find a human reason behind their decision.Even faith based groups can’t fathom this as related to their faith so they write it off rather than take a real look as it would deflate their religions to do so.

But the facts are that from 1975 most members were resigned to either get physically picked up by a spacecraft or lose their vehicle(body) in some way similar to what occurred at Waco or Ruby Ridge, by another’s hand.

However for several reasons there was to be no successful hunt of Ti&Do & students following their 1975-6 international splash, allowing time for the students to better overcome their humaness.

Some say to me,”oh,so all I have to do is off myself for God & I go to Heaven?”, which is Luciferian talk. No,of course not.One must align w/the current Older Member(Do),ask for service to engage their appropriate next step.

As a consequence, perhaps planned by the KoG or a counter strategy when They witnessed the needs of the students & the general human lacadasical response indicated to Do to stage their own exit & an unignorable one.

I don’t claim to know the KoG’s complete detailed thinking & strategy in this regard.What I do know was that Ti&Do,but primarily Do, after Ti left her vehicle by the KoG’s letting a cancer kill it examined ALL exit options.

As They said,”It has always been our way to examine all possibilities, and be mentally prepared for whatever may come our way. For example, consider what happened at Masada around 73 A.D. A devout Jewish sect,…

…after holding out against a siege by the Romans,to the best of their ability & seeing the murder,rape, & torture of their community was inevitable,determined that it was permissible for them to evacuate their bodies…

…by a more dignified & less agonizing method.We have thoroughly discussed this topic (of willful exit of the body under such conditions) & have mentally prepared ourselves for this possibility.”

About the time that they prepared this statement, they were building an “earthship” complex near Albuquerque,NM using old tires packed w/mud as bricks.They thought of it as a “Monestery Fortress” or “Launch Pad”.

The idea of the Masada groups “willful exit” began in part by observing the Branch Davidian murders by the FBI/ATF.I sat w/Do &  three students when the complex began to burn on TV (allegedly intended to flush them out).

We were all shocked by this event, but Do later expressed that even though David Koresh was misguided, his followers who had decided to die for their belief were dedicated in a way He hoped we, his students would be.

A few days later(after this April 1993 event) Do said he was wondering if we might exit in a similar way, by provoking the govt. He asked us what we thought about that and about buying some rifles loaded with blanks.

I remember feeling very squimish about the idea but I knew it was a test of the extent of my committment.But that didn’t stop my wondering just how far I would be willing to go for Do(Ti) & the Next Level(KoG).

Do didn’t bring it up again & there were no rifle purchases then.However,I wondered,”what if Do asked me to kill,would I?” This caused me to shudder at the thought but if I really believed/trusted Him shouldn’t I be willing?

I remember thinking, “I don’t know but maybe I would be willing” & I hoped I would not be tested in that way & thought that the Next Level would never ask that of someone. I remind, Do only talked about that Exit idea then.

Why OM’s incarnate;If a spirit came or channeled through someone,it would be less than REAL to all those returnees who were w/an OM before & their matching genetic memory while any supernatural interface would mesmerize us.

That’s why should some entity come to anyone in a dream or spirit sighting or as a human alien contactee or channel, in the name of Ti&Do or Jesus, they’re NOT to be trusted.It will happen this way w/a group prepared ahead.

I retell this to show the detail surrounding Do’s examination of all things that occurred to him via world events & from student responses & he didn’t hesitate to bring them up to the class.

Some people have claimed, after Ti exited,Do went downhill to the mass suicide.But what we saw was Do becoming more transparant than before,treating his helpers,his core overseers & the entire class as his check partners.

Sometime after I left them in 1994, they did purchase several rifles & some learned to shoot them. Do was still considering they might have a Masada styled exit while building the fortress in Manzano, NM.

But this was all BEFORE Do felt like he was notified of the approaching “token/sign” in the Heaven’s as Jesus said to expect. While I was still in the group,we became aware of a Las Vegas radio show that talked of UFO’s.

Before that & before an internet there were what were computer “bulletin boards” associated w/a university,govt or business. They were RS232 accessed & one we regularily examined was called Paranet, a paranormal site.

This is where we first became aware that some astronomers were viewing a peculia object outside the orbit of Pluto. Reports suggested the object was changing it’s speed & trajectory, but was coming closer to Earth.

Do had known the “indicator” or “token/sign” would be something only the Next Level could produce.He realized that what He & Ti, back in 1975 thought would be a spacecraft to pick them up, was this approaching EXIT indicator.

The object was named Hale-Bopp comet.Hubble space telescope pictures revealed 2 tails.Do considered a spacecraft MIGHT be hiding behind it but by then spacecraft or not felt it didn’t matter to their exit plan.

In 19 yrs I never saw Do guess though he’d consider everything.Some of his ways incorporated phrases like:”If in doubt,don’t” “Cover your bets”,& if you must decide,”Take a chance on a positive”.

Was this prophecy a COMET? “Mat 24:27 as the lightning(Gr.astrape from aster=bright shining star) comes out of the east & shines even to the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Kohoutek(’73) & HaleBopp(’97)!

It could refer to the KoG rep coming for one group,as in the prime “harvest” while again for the ones that believed in the first group, to “save” them for their next step after some recycling.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.

There wasn’t a program or activity within Ti&Do’s group to find scriptures to justify anything Ti&Do said or did.We always had Bibles, but no assigned reading of them so anyone could have researched whatever they wanted.

In 1991,considering bringing Ti&Do’s info public again, after NOT doing so since 1976 Do bought ~6 different bible translations for research while watching Christian Satellite ministries to understand the Christian mindset.

Now of course anyone else taking their own life would probably be a mistake.However,Do did think people have the right to do so for instance as we observed Dr. Kovorkian’s work in euthenasia for those that had great pain.

Ti&Do indicated when anyone stopped seeking(growth), marked by preoccupation w/physical sustenance alone they’re all but dead by KoG standards.However,Ti&Do’s task didn’t ever require advancing someone’s death involuntarily.

The KoG does but when I speak of Ti & Do,though They are members of the Kingdom of God, Their task was to advance the graduation classroom of students They brought w/Them who began their lessons millenium before.

Pulling up weeds wasn’t their particular task during this incarnation.It is the gardeners right to choose when to assist the fruit they planted, how & when.In this regard ALL our physical bodies are in a sense expendible.

If they wern’t expendible then they wouldn’t have limited life spans.Now the Luciferians take this reality & cause humans, they can easily con, to think they’re acting out God’s will to klll others that are in their way.

I have it on good word that there are no members of the Kingdom of God walking around in physical bodies at this time, nor will there be until sometime into the next civilization on Earth after considerable garden recycling.

Ti & Do are coming back one last time before that recycling has completed, in which time they will choose which souls still have a potential to grow towards graduation & which don’t.They will do this from their space crafts.

When this happens Governments and many humans will think it’s an Alien invasion & will mount attacks against them and will be no match at all.There are observers now of the literal heavens that are witnessing their approach.

They don’t know what they’re seeing nor what’s in store but this is the prime reason Luciferian Space Aliens prod humans to put most all their resources towards combat, survivalist technological development & global control.

This is also why some Space Alien human contactees say Greys from Orien are bad aliens &/or are robots/slaves controlled by the Reptilians.Weeds,including Reptilians don’t think they are weeds thus their exterminators=enemy.

All space aliens along w/somewhat awakened humans want a healthy environment for their own survival but some space aliens will say & do anything to have good human egg/sperm,etc. specimans for their hybridization projects.

The evidence they feel of Greys being robots comes largely from Leonard Stringfield’s autopsies of the Roswell crash dead bodies he published through MUFON.At least 1 body had no digestive or reproductive organs.

Another of the bodies had only a remnant of a male reproductive organ, in other words a small penis. The KoG wanted some U.S.  officials to know the reality of people from outer space & their different vehicle types.

Some, if not all of the spacecraft (UFO) crashes in which bodies were found were intentional as the way members of the KoG(LAH) get into a planet’s “secret” spirit world w/their soul body to perform an undercover task.

This is one way members of the Next Level and/or students aspiring for full membership are required to show their willingness to graduate from the human kingdom level of life.

Any body from a crash w/any characteristics associated with a human body represent a aspirant to full membership,as the body of  a member of this Evolutionary Level Above Human isn’t biologically human.

Do said, “Next Level grows” what he called “suits of clothing(bodies) on vines w/a number of different models appropriate to the Soul planned to occupy/wear it”.A body w/only remnant of a sex organ is likely from lack of use.

Do said that all those students that LAYED DOWN THEIR LIVES in 1997 didn’t necessarily graduate to these vine grown issue Next Level bodies,as some he felt still had further human overcoming to experience to qualify.

I don’t know if that has something to do w/Ti’s initial statement in 1976 that standards for membership were going to be raised when she got back so Luciferian types can’t slip into even an apprentise degree of membership.

However,perhaps she pulled in more of Her Next Level Mind after saying that,as She & Do realized that some aspiring members were given apprentise styled tasks like Watchers/Messengers where they can appear to humans as Gods.

In that position these would still have a vehicle/body that has human characteristics such as what Ti & Do called “plumbing” for reproducing,making them still corruptible(able to return to human behaviors & be their leaders).

I know many Christians & probably other religio/spiritualists think of God as unchangeable & all knowing & of course relative to humans they are all knowing yet they didn’t create a free will environment to dictate behavior.

They actually thrive on the needs of the moment, never automatically lingering on an older strategy when it’s always a new circumstance. True They don’t drop Their convenants unless the humans They are tending do.

When Ti & Do would see that Christian bumper sticker that said, “Jesus, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow” They said They felt sickened by the idea that Jesus would never change.

Ti & Do taught us & demonstrated that “change is the name of the game”,that there isn’t perfection though we can measure ourself by our Older Member’s seeking of perfection.Ti & Do called the Oldest Member the Chief of Chiefs

“Giving one’s Life” to one’s Older Member,at this time named Do is the only KEY to the Gate of the Heavenly Kingdom.Moses had to do it, Jesus had to do it, Ti,Do & students had to do it. What is meant by “Giving” grows.

It starts with “belief” in the current or latest REPresentative from the Level Above Human.Then it can grow to belief & service to that same REP, one’s Older Member aka Heavenly Father.

Service isn’t what WE want it to be.The REP tells us when they’re incarnate so we are not fooled by influences.Our first service is to disseminate to others the words They said & wrote & accept any ramifications.

That doesn’t mean try to stimulate the ramifications. The WORDS will do that. This service tests whether or not we can follow Their instructions without adding our own interpretation,one of the “17 steps”.

Those that do believe in Ti&Do may in times to come be considered heritics & could be sought after to stop, banish & even kill, the first stage of willingness to lose your physical life for one’s Older Member.

Beginning one’s personal overcoming process is a natural part of belief in & service to Ti & Do which includes starting dialog w/Do, mainly ASKING for help w/service & dealing w/the ramifications & advasarial influences.

Yes it’s all a huge step. Do said in 88 Update, not a day went by where he didn’t question his sanity. It will never be met w/ popular support as we see in ALL religions, spirituality, wealth,technology & intellect worship.

Engaging to be on Ti&Do’s team is in no way void of laughter & entertainments, avoidance of responsibilities & relationships w/ others.It was when Jesus was about to leave that he said,”love your neighbor as yourself”.

In the classroom as well as when we did what we called “out of craft tasks” – jobs among the people who were not engaged in full time overcoming under the tootelage of an incarnate OM we were to hold a positive countenence.

As Do said on the Beyond Human tape available on under channel name:1riverofangels, “The Lord wants you to have nice things, he just doesn’t want you to want them”.Many people have many characteristics of the KoG.

Ti&Do didn’t address the NOW but I believe the Jesus record is perfect for pro/con’s in life activity but w/talk to Ti&Do rather than to Jesus because the spirit world is filled w/discarnates who love to answer as Jesus.

Do did tell some of those who left the class, to avoid debt. He didn’t say why but it seems apparant now more than ever.It glues us to a justification for our own enslavement tying us to one location for instance.

I know for many the idea that They “layed down their lives”,called suicide is unthinkable & even self-murder, but if any believe in Jesus,they might want to consider all Jesus said about Life, Death & real Loving of the Lord.

But to recognize that for some, as I’ve outlined in these info-video’s,it was their full voluntary decision to “give their life” in that way BECAUSE they were permitted to do so by the Older Member they loved.

In the human world it’s always been considered heroic and simply the highest form of love, to be willing to die for another & especially for someone we don’t even know.

But when we are willing to give our life for someone who we believe to be from the Kingdom of God, it’s considered by most to be insanity.But I think it’s insanity to believe our entire reality came about accidentally.

And I see in nature tons of organization & intelligent guided decision making by all species, though we call it instinct. I know intelligence is required to build anything so why argue that nature requires none?

And why is it that all things in nature appear to have various practical function/purpose. Plants provide oxygen to animals. Animals(bees/insects,etc.) help spread pollen among plants.There are thousands of examples.

Thus with humans, who can perform many of the purposes that help all other species of life on Earth, what could be their highest purpose? To become a dead spirit? To become independant & self sustaining or a philanthropist?

I believe there is a great deal of empirical, even logical evidence that strongly suggests that humankind are abundant in the Universe along with the historic records to suggest we were created for an ultimate purpose.

Was it to mate with space aliens who said they mated with Earth Humans to create their genetic linage though none of them have the slightest explanation for how they created the Suns, planets & all the elements & systems?

And how some of the contactees like Rael say he was told by his abductors the ultimate human purpose was to have pleasure which certainly explains why Earth is dominated by people who put their pleasure above other’s lives.

While anyone can understand why people of conscience & science would run from what the religious do/& say to justify themselves. And one can also understand why so many seek religions & new age spirituality as a safe haven.

But why is it that almost none of these mentioned appear willing to even consider what the real Jesus said, which would also open them up to what Ti & Do said & did, as representing a potential CHOICE of ultimate purpose?

Christians can’t imagine that the fact that Jesus KNEW he would be killed,how, when, why & by whom could be considered a type of suicide.The reason:The Luciferians saw to it that such was considered illegal & an original sin.

There’s no record against suicide in the Bible.Most say “Thou shall not murder” is but it’s an act AGAINST ANOTHER’s Life. If it was a big no no,why didn’t Moses cover it when he covered next to everything re:death?

I don’t believe it was KoG’s oversight nor that most who don’t kill themselves is primarily because of laws against doing so. No Christian authors I’ve polled,when listing scriptures depicting suicide site Jesus.

Maybe their bible search doesn’t include the meaning of “give (lay down) one’s life for another”,while Christian’s shout “Jesus GAVE HIS LIFE to save us from our sins” made meaningless & popularized by Luciferians thru Paul?

Joh 10:18 NO MAN TAKES IT(Life) FROM ME BUT I LAY IT DOWN OF MYSELF.I have Gr.exousia=choice/permission/authority to lay it down & have choice to take it again.He’s CHOOSING for his body to be killed aka assisted suicide.

2nd part of John 10:18…”This commandment have I received of my Father”(to lay down his life)was authorized by His Father. Isn’t it clear that Jesus intended all his students then & in the future to do as He said & did?

“Jn 14:15 If ye love me,keep my commandments.Jn 12:25 He who loves his life shall lose it & he that hates his life in this world shall keep it to LIFE eternal.”

Joh 15:13-14 Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.Ye are my friends,if ye do whatever I command you.(as we need to learn to trust & He needs to know we can be trusted in return).

Yet many say believers in Jesus arn’t required to try to be like HIM & attempts are trying to earn salvation when it’s a gift. The gift is being given the opportunity, but seizing it NEEDS to include CHANGE,WORKS & SERVICE.

Jesus demonstrated His relationship w/His Father to show us what our relationship w/Him would need to become.Joh 12:49 I havn’t spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me he gave me a commandment what I should say/speak.

So,Jesus says he looks to his Father for every word/commandment to give to us while also saying that if we love Him we will keep every word/commandment of His & will prove that by passing same on to potentail new believers.

To try to help us get rid of our religio-spiritual thinking,Do once gave us an analogy that the KoG was like a Corporation w/ strict qualifications for new employees.We were applying to be on Ti’s crew.Ti=Do’s Father.

Do also described Ti as the Admiral while he was a Captain on Their crew.To join the crew requires an application of giving Them our service against all odds because the world has all but ruled out the LAH’s real existence.

I guarantee no humans in history even come close to mimicing Ti&Do,who were 100% aligned w/every word/way recorded from Jesus. Fear or not having KoG seed are the only things that keep someone from fully examining Ti&Do.

According to Rio,aka Neody,the last one to leave the group just weeks before they layed down their bodies,as he recorded in his book entitled,Beyond Human Mind,The Soul Evolution of Heaven’s Gate Do told them…

…He realized/remembered something from when he was incarnate in the body called Jesus.”He(as Jesus) was a fugitive for a while hiding from the Roman officials.During this time He traveled to east Asia”.

Do had a question as to,”why He(as Jesus)came back to a place that He knew was going to kill Him.According to Do the reason was; Jesus was ready to go back to His Father.With tears in His eyes He said:”…

“leaving the body here is how the Soul of Jesus traveled back to the Next Level”.His Soul did exit the body though was repaired enough to PROVE he was still PHYSICAL(NOT a Spirit) & ascended into the hidden spacecraft(UFO).

We were back in San Clemente in Sept. of 94′ when Do brought up to the entire CLASS for the 2nd official time the subject of a possible self initiated EXIT of our physical bodies by use of a permenant sleep inducing drug.

I was still in the class at that time. Do wanted to hear something from each member of the class, which included perhaps a dozen new members.One left after that meeting.I left next but not due to exit talk.

I was still giving into sensuality & not exposing it,two reasons to be sent out of the classroom. I didn’t know why I couldn’t gain control, but Do said he wasn’t ready to “throw me away as I had a lot to offer the LAH”.

By that time I’d been removed from my Overseer position & became withdrawn & complacent as I knew I was living a lie by then. One day Do called.I was living w/6 classmates seperate from Do & the larger classroom body.

Do told me he wanted me to partner w/Mllody on an overseer task again.That was all it took.How could I be an Overseer when I couldn’t muster what used to be relatively easy control over my vehicles sensual nature?

I said to Do(for the first time in 19 yrs. of fully dedicated service),”I can’t as I’d be a hypocrit”.He responded,”Then what do you want to do?”.I replied,”I’ll have to leave”.He said,”I guess you want more objectivity.”

Do then spoke w/Nrrody who told the others of my decision,adding that Do said no one should try to talk Swyody out of leaving because he knows what he’s doing.I wanted to leave w/nothing,that martyr influence w/me.

They insisted I take $600 plus a plane ticket to where I wanted to go.I chose Phoenix,AZ near 2 former classmates,found a job, apartment,etc..I had NOTHING against them.To relatives surprise I spoke highly of my experience.

The KoG thru Their Rep(s)(Moses) set up life & death rules.Some people rebel from those rules.For example in Exodus 32 as some people began to worship a gold calf at Moses absense,Moses required them to choose sides.

The sons of Levi chose Moses’ side & He instructed them to slay certain others.Now we can fault Moses but the law was not given to Moses who was the current Rep from the KoG,it was given to His followers to abide by.

We can curse the Lord for not stopping Moses as we can for the Lords destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah though it was weeding the garden,again not for us to believe we have the authority to do as we’re not the garden creators.

When a male fertilizes a females egg, they pass on their current physiology AND the content of their mind/spirit/CHOICES.We are all part of the KoG’s designed experience that is free willed & thus experimental in outcome.

A female, of course isn’t designed to pass on their current mindset as developed from birth. They are born w/their eggs, thus have a predestination of sorts though variables are introduced by the male seed.

Thus especially in the earlier years of the experiment,the KoG chose times to weed the garden plot to give their “plants” a chance to develop into flowers(fruit), in this case to actually become part of their own crew.

How is that accomplished? When the direction of a plants evolution is apparant & it’s judged detrimental to the survival of the desired fruit, then the KoG has various methods of weeding-haulting the spread of that seed.

We can see many examples of this weeding under the direction of Moses but in each case options were always given to the weeds though in this garden plot’s weeding it’s accomplished by & large by the potential fruit itself.

If weeds are left to propogate they spread & choke all the healthy plants.The KoG are the judges through their incarnate Reps. However,strong plants can better ward off weed attacks, in this experiment by mental discipline.

But the KoG doesn’t want to irradicate all the weeds as they enact a significant challenge to the fruit’s needed evolution.They serve as fertilizer or like a sparing partner.It’s the Soul body that’s being developed.

Mat 13:30 Let both (tares(weeds (wheat look alikes))) & fruit(wheat) grow together til harvest & then will say to the reapers, gather together first the tares & bind them in bundles to burn them & gather wheat to my barn.

“Mat 18:7 Woe to the world because of offences! It must needs be that offences come but woe to that man by whom offence comes” Offenses=Greek:skandalon = trap, snare, stumbling block, tests related to tribulation(pressure).

But as I’ve outlined “giving one’s life” was a given if we wish to apply for membership on the KoG’s team.It’s the application that is in steps,thus Jesus was demonstrating a final step that included a preliminary one.

When a Rep knows it’s time to exit yet they know they can easily hide from those that seek them out, they are left w/initiating their exit/arrest as Jesus did by going back to Jerusalem & calling out Judas to act.

Initiating our own exit w/no provable good reason,like to save another is considered suicide by all those who don’t believe in any beings more evolved than human, who created our reality.

One Luciferian twist is that for Jesus to initiate his own exit was not suicide but was dying for our sins,giving his body/blood so we don’t have to, allowing them to think they reap the reward for no comparible investment.

Another Luciferian twist is that giving one’s life for one’s country is honorable before God.The Luciferians carefully avoid any inclination of giving one’s life FOR the KoG unless they can show it as fanactical cohersion.

And of course the Luciferians love promoting giving one’s life to another human, a family member, but mostly for a spouse as a romantic way of thinking,but hates any idea that one could have that degree of love for the KoG.

For those few that do feel inclined to give their life to KoG(in any culture) & for whatever core reason, Luciferians establish it as honorable ONLY within the scope of an organized religion.ALL others are dangerous cults.

Luciferians include promotion of no KoG creator beings & nothing “above us” to give self to as John Lennon sang about & has been deified by.I liked John Lennon’s being against organized religion but for different reasons.

I am totally for community & organizations to accomplish social goals that can result in governments.Common beliefs in the KoG are also Jesus rooted but only individuals can have a relationship w/the KoG, NOT organizations.

The ONLY time it’s an evolutionary step above human to self initiate exit from one’s body is when it’s totally conscious,NOT by a carrot/stick lure, not for self,whether an escape or imagined heroism(martyrdom) AND

NOT of our own WILL but as a result of willful bonding w/a genuine Older Member from the LAH,evidenced to you over time in Their every word/deed as Their student who’s WILL you know you WANT to serve because you love Them.

Joh 10:(11)I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.(15)…& I lay down my life for the sheep.(17)Therefore does my Father love me,because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

I’m closing this chapter in saying that my return to Ti&Do’s service was/is still very challenging.We will all be giving our lives to something.We can keep it safe & ordinary or we can take it to the NEXT LEVEL.

After ~12 yrs. of a return to asking for service to Ti & Do,I asked Do if I needed to prepare myself to lay down my life as They did.Do came to me in a dream that same night & said,”Give Your Life”,a process.

Many choices are very difficult,especially when there’s no recognizable payback.There’s still an open door to choose to apply for a step wise service to Ti & Do from the Evolutionary Level Above Human.

Making such application is simple:Start serving.How? Decide that you believe in who Ti&Do are & tell others what They said/did. It’s between You & Ti and Do, the last current representatives from the Level Above Human.