Critique of Oxygen series “Deadly Cults” about TI and DO’s “Heaven’s Gate”

Here are my responses below to the new Oxygen broadcast “Deadly Cults” series, this one about Heaven’s Gate.

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Former Heaven’s Gate Member Says He Felt Free To Leave If He Wanted

Sawyer, a former Heaven’s Gate member, says he never felt like he was forced to remain in the cult. “There were no locks on the doors,” he says. One cult expert calls this the “illusion of choice.”

Sawyer now says: – Humans have the illusion of choice big time. As long as they play ball with the powers that be they have certain choices. But if they question those powers their choices are not welcome and they get fired or banished or discredited or forced to retire or forced to resign and often make it look voluntary.

There were many ways of showing how much free will members of TI and DO’s group had everyday and how it was even hard to stay actually (but that wasn’t known to some of us – speaking for myself. It didn’t seem hard to stay until I faced leaving because I lost control over my vehicle and then still DO offered me ways to stay and yet I told him I needed to leave so he gave me $600.00 and a airplane ticket to wherever I wanted to go. I went to Arizona to temporarily stay with Mark and Sarah.
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Heaven’s Gate Used ‘Loaded Language’ To Indoctrinate People

Former Heaven’s Gate member Sawyer recalls how heavily regimented life was in the cult, and how they had their own names for everything, including underwear, which were called “seed covers.” A cult expert says this “loaded language” is one way cults go around people’s critical thinking and indoctrinate them.

Sawyer now says: First off, the editors misunderstood the word. I wish they would have checked with me on that. The phrase for underwear was “seat covers” – they cover one’s vehicles “seat”.
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Former Heaven’s Gate Follower Recalls A ‘Haze’ Around Marshall Applewhite

In 1975 in Oregon, Marshall Applewhite held an early meeting drumming up interest in his Heaven’s Gate cult. One man who was mildly interested said he was convinced Applewhite was some higher being, and saw what he thought was a “haze” around him and the room.

Sawyers current reply:

DO, known in this doc by this vehicle’s name of Marshall Applewhite was working with TI, whose human vehicle’s name was Bonnie Lu Truesdale Nettles to put on the Waldport Bayshore Inn meeting on September 14, 1975. They weren’t trying to drum up interest. They were simply stating what they believed and letting people choose to follow them or not. For the honest new follower they were expected to leave their former “world” behind.

I did tell them in the interview that I saw a “haze” around both Ti and Do and also hovering above the crowd of about 200 people. I described it as a shimmering hazy light and that it was also above and behind them sitting on the stage. That wasn’t a very brightly lit room and didn’t know what to make of it at all at the time.  I also told them I was not prone to see things like that but that my girlfriend at that time did say she saw things I couldn’t see at times. I never did ask her if she saw what I saw then. She was sitting next to me and also joined with them afterwards. I didn’t join because of seeing that. All they said made sense to me. One can see what that was at that point by going to the Heavensgate.com webpage that includes the content of their Book and look for the document called Statement I (One).

Here is the first document written by DO:

          STATEMENT I

What religions have sought to understand since the
beginning of their origin is what is above the
human level of existence. Most have taught that if
an individual lives a “good life” adoring some
savior that he will inherit some “heaven” after
his death. Only if it were that simple. That
viewpoint is as inaccurate as the caterpillar
believing that if he dies a good caterpillar he
will mysteriously awaken in a rose blossom and
live there forever with the King butterfly. He
must become a butterfly while a healthy
caterpillar – overcoming his decaying option. If he
rises above all caterpillar ways, converts all his
energies to the pursuit of becoming literally
another creature who circulates in another world,
he becomes a butterfly. Likewise a human who seeks
only to become a member of his next evolutionary
kingdom may become a member of that kingdom if he
completely overcomes all the aspects and
influences of the human level providing he has
found favor with a member of that next level who
will direct him through his metamorphosis. As the
caterpillar, the human can complete this
changeover only before his death as a human. A
member of the next kingdom finds favor with one
who is willing to endure all of the necessary
growing pains of weaning himself totally from his
human condition.  Members of that next kingdom are
no more confined to human limitations than
butterflies to caterpillar limitations. Nor do
they in like comparison concern themselves with
human type indulgences or concerns. However, if
the human is thought of as the larva of that next
kingdom then there are, at times, those who are
approaching the completion of their individual
metamorphosis and are beginning to have some of
the attributes and characteristics of that next
kingdom. When the metamorphosis is complete their
“perennial” and cyclic nature is ended for their
“new” body has overcome decay, disease and death.
It has converted over chemically, biologically,
and in vibration to the “new” creature.

          Approximately 2,000 years ago an individual of
that next kingdom forfeited his body of that
kingdom and entered a human female’s womb, thereby
incarnating as the one history refers to as Jesus
of Nazareth. He awakened to this fact gradually
through the same metamorphic process and came to
know that he had incarnated for the express
purpose of telling and showing, even to the point
of proof, that the next kingdom can be entered by
overcoming the human aspects and literally
converting into a “man” or creature of that next
kingdom – the kingdom of his Father – one who is
already a member of that kingdom. By His
resurrection He proved that death can be literally
overcome and that a permanent body for the next
kingdom is acquired from the human kingdom. He did
not leave His body in the grave. He converted it
into His body of that next kingdom. This is the
only way the next kingdom is entered permanently.
Each human has that full potential. Jesus’
“Christing” or christening was completed at His
transfiguration (metamorphic completion) and He
remained in the “larva” environment, with other
humans, only for some 40 days to show that His
teaching had been accomplished. He showed them His
new body and demonstrated a few of its new
attributes, i.e., appearing and disappearing
(changing His vibrations) before their eyes while
letting some of His friends touch His “new” body.
This could be compared to a butterfly remaining in
the caterpillar world for a few days to show them
what they had to look forward to if they chose to
seek true conscious communication with a butterfly
and were willing to overcome all of their
caterpillar ways. Then Jesus left them in a cloud
of light (what humans refer to as UFOs) and moves
and returns in the same manner.

          There are two individuals here now who have also
come from that next kingdom, incarnate as humans,
awakened, and will soon demonstrate the same proof
of overcoming death. They are “sent” from that
kingdom by the “Father” to bear the same truth
that was Jesus’.  This is like a repeat
performance, except this time by two (a man and
a woman) to restate the truth Jesus bore, restore
its accurate meaning, and again show that any
individual who seeks that kingdom will find it
through the same process.  This “re-statement”
or demonstration will happen within months. The
two who are the “actors” in this “theatre” are
in the meantime doing all they can to relate this
truth as accurately as possible so that when their
bodies recover from their “dead” state (resurrection)
and they leave (UFO’s) those left behind will have
clearly understood the formula.

Those who can believe this process and do it will
be “lifted up” individually and “saved” from death –
literally. If you seek those two while they are
here they will gladly fill you in on the details
and assist those who wish to follow in this
“path.”

If this speaks to you – respond – according to your
capabilities or needs. For your sake-give this
opportunity your best.

Sawyer:
I also told them that I saw that shimmering hazy light around TI and Do in the very well lit lecture classroom at a meeting TI and DO gave at Arapahoe Community College in Denver a two or three weeks after the Waldport meeting. I also saw that light, but far less of it around some classmates when they were speaking publicly. I believe that was the Mind from the Next Level, spoken of in the records as the Holy Spirit, where Mind is updated and generic word to describe what is a is frequency based in it’s composition.

I didn’t even say to anyone that I was “mildly interested” as they reported here. Nor have I ever said I thought at that time that they were “higher beings”. In an indirect way I felt that as when I first saw the poster advertising the meeting.

Here is that first poster used in 1975 and 1976 when public meetings ended:

                             UFO’S

                        > Why they are here.
> Who they have come for.
> When they will leave.

NOT a discussion of UFO SIGHTINGS or PHENOMENA

               Two individuals say they are about to
leave the human level and literally
(physically) enter the next evolutionary
level in a spacecraft (UFO) within
months!  “THE TWO” will discuss how the
transition from the human level to the
next level is accomplished, and when
this may be done.

               This is not a religious or philosophical
organization recruiting membership.
However, the information has already
prompted many individuals to devote
their total energy to the transitional
process.  If you have ever entertained
the idea that there may be a real,
physical level beyond the Earth’s
confines, you will want to attend this
meeting.

I remember saying aloud to my girlfriend then that “I wonder what these two people will look like”. I wasn’t interested in UFO’s – hardly knew anything about them then, but for some reason it made sense to me.

The way TI and DO described what we go through when we are waking up more from a deep human sleep, so to speak, which is all in degrees though can have certain major wake up times, was that the Next Level was close by literally and physically, like in a spacecraft that is physical but that humans can’t see.

An analogy would be the way a Rancher goes into the wilderness and rounds up wild horses. They are being captured (caught away/raptured) from their lives as horses and taken to the Ranchers keeping – corral. They are then offered training. Those that don’t take to the training, allow the Rancher to ride them, etc. are released back into their world. (That’s like a dropout like myself, but that doesn’t mean once a dropout always a dropout). The horse doesn’t about the human forms of transportation that consciously and don’t know that the Ranchers can have a consciousness that is Above the Animal kingdom level of life (though some humans hardly show that).

Another analogy might be the way a fish in the lake will see the bait and have no consciousness that there is a “boat” above them. In this example the bait is the truth about the Next Level having a free will program for humans to be able to change into new creatures that could be on crews working on spacecrafts, some as big as a planet, even perhaps like Pluto. It’s like a Star Trek crew but without mammalian vehicles (bodies) or mammalian behavior, so no reproductive desires or activities or other mammalian behaviors and ways.

In the human context, the Next Level is running off the discarnate or Luciferian space alien fallen angle souls and thus their influence over us, long enough to give us a chance of seeing the opportunity and making the choice to go with it. And that choice remains everyday to stay that course or abort. TI and DO saw to it that we had many opportunities to abort. They didn’t want us to abort but they didn’t want us to be in their Classroom if we weren’t going to give it our all to succeed under their teachings.

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Here is the link to the article about the new series with the text below the link and Sawyer’s comments:

https://www.oxygen.com/deadly-cults/crime-news/heavens-gate-cult-gail-maeder-victim-in-mass-suicide

May 17, 2020, 8:00 PM ET

‘It’s The Cult of Cults!’: Parents Lose Their Daughter To Infamous Heaven’s Gate Mass Suicide

Marshall Applewhite’s Heaven’s Gate cult shocked the world in 1997 with a mass suicide in a mansion near San Diego.

By Erik Hawkins

Alice Maeder lived for years in hope that her daughter would come back home.

Gail Maeder left Sag Harbor, New York at age 21 for California, and after one visit with her parents in her new home, she seemingly disappeared off the map. She had taken up with a strange, cult-like group of UFO enthusiasts called Heaven’s Gate sometime in 1993.

“Every day we were wondering about her,” Alice told Oxygen’s “Deadly Cults.” “Every day I was praying, ‘Dear God, don’t let anything happen to her.’”

In a postcard, Gail told her family that she was doing “really great” and had “found a way to make a difference in the world,” but they were concerned and began looking into the Heaven’s Gate cult, which had been active since the mid-1970s.

At a Queens, New York convention in 1994, Alice met cult expert Janja Lalich. She knew that the group traveled the country picking up new members and understood a little bit about its leaders, Marshall Applewhite and the late Bonnie Nettles.

Nettles met Applewhite, a man in his 40s struggling with his homosexuality, while they were both briefly institutionalized in the early 1970s, according to Rolling Stone.

Sawyer: DO’s struggle with his homosexuality was beside the point. It was just part of what he had to overcome and by doing so show others how.

What he told us he was frustrated with, was not finding a partner who wanted a committed relationship. Even then he wasn’t interested in a promiscuous relationship.

(Continuing on with the article…)

Nettles convinced Applewhite that they were both descended from a higher species of aliens.

Sawyer: Wrong. DO wasn’t “convinced” by TI and it wasn’t a “higher species, but from the Creators Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the literal heavens and DO was also receiving information at the same time as TI, though TI recognized him yet he didn’t recognize her until later.

(Continuing on with the article…)

They began traveling the country, introducing newcomers to their science fiction-seasoned ideology.

Lalich gave Alice a cult-produced videotape in which Applewhite explained that the planet Earth was “about to be recycled.” As Alice and her family watched Applewhite explain that cult followers needed to “evacuate” the dying planet, she said, they felt sick to their stomachs.

“Is this guy crazy?” Applewhite asks rhetorically in one of the videos, staring into the camera. “Is this a cult? Yes, it is – it’s the cult of cults!”

A man presumed to be Marshall Applewhite, a leader of the Heaven’s Gate cult, is shown in an undated image made available Friday March 28, 1997. Photo: AP

“How can she fall for this?” Alice recalled asking herself.

Gail was far from alone in “falling for” Applewhite’s theology, though. Applewhite was “charming and charismatic,” with a calm demeanor, Lalich told “Deadly Cults.”

A former Heaven’s Gate follower named Sawyer recalled his first time hearing Applewhite and Nettles speak at a town hall in Oregon in 1975. Sawyer found a flyer advertising an event that promised the truth about UFOs and that attendees would meet two people who weren’t of this world, he told “Deadly Cults.” Sawyer saw what he thought was a “haze” in the hall surrounding the cult leaders, and he decided to give his all to Heaven’s Gate.

Sawyer: The poster said nothing about promising anything and not about the truth about UFO’s. They were just the transportation – what DO called, “the bus”.

Cult members lived under strict rules, with new names and a strict ban on sex. Many of the men underwent voluntary castration as a way to help rid themselves of earthly desires, according to “Deadly Cults.” For three months in the ‘90s, followers drank nothing but the “Master Cleanse,” a mixture of lemonade, cayenne pepper, and maple syrup, Rolling Stone reported.

Sawyer: The most time we spent on fasting on the Master Cleanser was 39 days, though after I left they may have done a longer fast. We also drank water at that time.

They were preparing themselves to eventually shed their human bodies and return to their home in a spaceship, Lalich explained to “Deadly Cults.”

In March 1997, an unusually bright comet was approaching Earth, and scientists and amateur sky-watchers eagerly awaited the show.

Applewhite considered the Hale-Bopp comet’s arrival a sign. He told his followers that in the comet’s tail was a starship, ready to take their souls to heaven. To get a ride, however, they would need to leave their mortal bodies behind.

Sawyer: Not true. DO and Crew called Hale Bopp, on their web page, the “marker” they had been waiting for and that it was irrelevant whether there was a companion object with it. It marked the exit time they had been anticipating since 1975.

Right to the end they didn’t know if TI would take their physical bodies – perhaps one of the reasons they packed a bag with a change of clothes and had some money on them in case TI would have some or all of them do another task someplace on earth. It’s just the way a Member of the Next Level does this kind of undercover task. They try not to limit their Older Member by their choices.

(Continuing on with the article…)

“Our mission here at this time is about to come to a close in the next few days,” one Heaven’s Gate follower said in a farewell video later recovered by police. “We came from distant space, and we’re about to return.”

The cult, whose members were living together in a big house in Rancho Santa Fe, California, packed their belongings neatly. On March 24, the whole group treated themselves to a meal at Marie Callender’s, where they all ordered the same thing for dinner: iced tea, salads, turkey potpie, and cheesecake with blueberries, according to Rolling Stone.

The next day, 39 members of the cult began their exit from this world. They dressed in black pants and black Nike sneakers. Many of them put $5 bills and quarters in their pockets, CNN reported.

Then began an orderly mass suicide.

Applewhite provided everyone, including himself, bowls of applesauce laced with phenobarbital and glasses of vodka to wash it down. They also had plastic bags on hand to ensure they died, and many members had hydrocodone in their system, former San Diego County Medical Examiner Terri Haddix told “Deadly Cults.”

Sawyer: I didn’t know about hydrocodone in their system. I doubt they drank “glasses of vodka” which I also never heard reported that way.

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Police were able to reconstruct roughly how the mass suicide played out. Written instructions told followers to drink some vodka, then eat the applesauce, then drink a little more. Then, they were told to lie down and relax — sleep would come soon.

The followers worked in small groups to assist others’ suicides, essentially taking turns. Once their breathing had slowed, plastic bags would be placed over their heads. Once they had died, a purple shroud was placed over their faces.

“These were some dedicated people,” former San Diego County Sheriff’s Office Lead Detective Rick Scully told producers. “To stand over the person they lived with for 20 years and watch them die … After they took the poison, that person standing over them would be the only person to know if they had any regrets, or if they had a hard time or struggled. Now, we’ll never know.”

Applewhite was the only member with a private bedroom, and his body was the last found by police on March 26.

Scully recalled a “godawful” odor of decomposition when he entered the home that day, after an anonymous 911 tip. It was “like descending into hell,” he said.

Media reports were incomplete at first — there was even confusion over the genders of the victims, due to their shaved heads and the fact that some had self-castrated.

Sawyer: I have a lot of reasons to believe no one was “self castrated”. I believe they all had doctors do the operations. They had to move away from the group and get a job to pay for it.

(Continuing on with the article…)

Gail’s brother, Daniel Maeder, heard the first reports on the radio in his car, and he to tell himself that Gail was probably fine because the victims were reportedly all men.

By the time Daniel got home, the reports had changed, including women among the dead. Still, the Maeders tried to keep up hope

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Gail “has more sense than that … she’s going to call soon and say, ‘Mom, get me out of here,’” Daniel recalled saying to his family.

The Maeders called the San Diego coroner’s office, and their worst fears were confirmed. Alice would later watch Gail’s farewell video, in which she indicated that her new name was “Yrsody,” cheerfully saying that what she was about to do was of her own free will.

“She could have had anything in this world,” Alice said. “It’s an open hole in your heart that’s never going to heal … I guess God blinked his eye for a minute.”

The Heaven’s Gate cultists weren’t stupid people, Det. Scully told “Deadly Cults.” They were good people, and they had something missing in their lives that they were searching for, he explained.

As for Applewhite, Scully was less charitable in his assessment.
“In my opinion, he’s the most evil man I have ever encountered,” he said. “In my mind, he’s one murderer, and they’re 38 victims.”

For more on the Maeders’ story and actual videotapes made by Heaven’s Gate members before the mass suicide, watch “Deadly Cults” at Oxygen.com. New episodes air Sundays at 7/6c.

Ody Name Origin & Revelation 14 Song

In reply to a question about Crlody’s use of the ody name and what my, Sawyer’s name was in the classroom:

My name in the classroom was Swyody (and for a short time, though we never used them, Swydote, (the extension “dote” was given to all those who were still in the class at that time, DO having told us we had completed our “final exam”. That was around 1992 and some still left, including me after that). DO didn’t have us ever use those new names because that was around 1992 before a number of former ody classmates returned when some saw the Beyond Human – The Last Call video series we uplinked to satellite TV and DO didn’t want some to have different names.

DO did give me the name Sawyer before they said they – the Next Level were “adopting” us, when they shortened our existing names to three letters, thus Swy followed by the “family name” – ody which they said was for “children” towards adult membership. I recall they said when we became “adults” they would drop the “Y” so I would have become swyod, but that never happened that way. They said in jest but appropriately that we were the family of “od” – pun intended. Initially the ody names were only used within the classroom.

(Rio, (Neody) as told in his book, Beyond Human Mind, didn’t understand this origin of the name ody correctly).

That’s why it can be seen in the Beyond Human – The Last Call videotapes how DO referred to us as June for Jwnody, and Alex for Alxody and Song for Sngody and Sawyer for Swyody, etc. because those tapes were made for the general public consumption. I just have not felt comfortable using my ody name because I failed to live up to it, though I have no fault to find with Carlan using his Crlody name, as DO didn’t give instruction not to do so and we are in a different context now since that specific Classroom is over (though we are still all in the school, though can choose to not progress in grades).

It’s also interesting how that family name of ody is related to “ode,” pronounced, “o-day’, which is the Greek word for “song” and the names TI and Do came from the notes on the scale as shown in the Sound of Music movie, and originally we spelled TI and TE but after TI left DO said it didn’t matter which way we spelt it but then settled on TI. Ti compared the classroom lesson plan as a “piano roll” to where each lesson step was like one note and you would continue the self disciplines of each lesson to compound into a “song”. So lets say a lesson step for one person was to get control of anger. So they worked on that and that’s like one note in their piano roll. Then they recognize they have to work against their entertaining thoughts of sexuality so that becomes another note. You don’t stop working on one’s anger issues to work on one’s other sensuality issues. Ti also compared the lesson plan to the song Ole McDonalds Farm with each animals voice/sounds as representing a lesson step and the way one would sing that song by repeating all the animals sounds as they accumulated throughout the song.

Ody name related to the Revelation 14 Song:

This subject is interestingly spoken about in the Book of Revelation, in Rev 14 and 5:

Rev 5:9 And they ((returning Souls)) sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book ((TI and DO’s Heaven’s Gate true Information in how to enter the Next Level)), and to open the seals ((affirmation periods of time when TI and DO and Crews information would be revealed to more and more people)) thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts ((wrong translation s/b “living beings in human vehicles)), and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Ti and Do referred to the Twelve Tribes as the  “Hypothetical task of the twelve tribes, the beginning of strains” in audio tape 121, begun during the “First Trimester” (towards birth) during the Moses and Jehovah classroom.

So the “harps” I think are their vehicles, they (The Souls (harpers) learned to “sing” (harping) through.

It’s a new song because TI and DO brought the “updates to the bible” and “fulfillments of prophecy” – what was forecasted to happen upon return.

Only the 144,000 (whether that is an accurate number or not) could learn the “song” because only TI and Do were teaching all the lessons in it and only those human vehicles that were prepared by the Next Level to receive it could choose to receive it, though we can’t judge who those vehicles with Souls associated are since even if someone has a great deal of non- Next Level behavior and ways, we don’t know what they are working against and or when and how much they may change before their vehicle dies. Their lesson steps went beyond what Jesus required just like what Jesus taught went beyond what Moses taught.

Standing for TI and DO is Our Task Now

I am regularly criticized for having a youtube channel – 3spm and this blog and Facebook page because I talk about my personal experiences in TI and DO’s classroom. I am also criticized for talking about what Jesus said in relationship to this time period and in accordance with what TI and DO said. I am also criticized for relating Prophecy from Jesus and found in the Book of Revelation to TI and DO’s teachings. I am also criticized for relating the many “signs” Jesus related as happening at this time in the sun, moon, stars (planets, comets, etc.) that become visible to us through our eyes and through our telescopes and through NASA and ESA, etc. space telescopes that are very, very unusual. I am criticized for having written a book about all of the above.

Ironically, my main critic of all this has been the former fellow student of DO known as Carlan aka Crlody in the classroom who uses the name Jason on youtube (only saying so that people know it’s the same person).

Here is one of his recent comments below with what DO said that he seems to think means I am doing something against TI and DO’s wishes by expressing myself on my livestreams, blog, etc. that are from my mind.

This is not a longshot to take his inclusion of a statement from DO in the comment below as indicating what he thinks is wrong with what I seek to communicate because he has said as much in no uncertain terms in dozens of his comments over the years. He just didn’t say anything to that affect in this one comment. If anyone wants to see what I’m talking about, just search this blog for the two names he has used… Carlan or Crlody and you will see a number of blog posts. I am not against his making accusations though I wish he would be more thorough when he tries to back something up with things DO has said that we have documented evidence for. I have asked him for evidence from DO’s Mind rather than his opinions. He’s free of course to have opinions and to express them and it’s not like I don’t ever take what he says to heart as I know I can always improve in the work I do to Stand for TI and DO.

DO didn’t tell us all the ways of communicating and what to study and what to use as evidence of He and TI’s teachings in the world to date and what would be considered as working (Standing) for Him and TI and Crew. So to tell me what not to say and/or do isn’t appropriate. It’s only the negative influences that we all have to work against that would not want people to hear all that TI and Do said and did over their years incarnate. It’s not anything new to have former classmates in disagreement on things. After all believe it or not members of the class were quite the independent thinkers and the stakes are very  high now especially in this “war” with the lower forces on seeing the truth about TI and Do as the return of the Ones who were referred to in the records as The Father in Heaven (at that time) and “Jesus” – the body the Older Member (DO) took to perform His task through. Even 2000 years ago Paul of Tarsus was writing and portraying himself as a teacher that didn’t come from Jesus’ Mind so is perhaps the biggest sower of misinformation, distortion and dilution of Jesus’ teachings. That’s why the organized Christian church doesn’t teach anything much that Jesus taught. They are most all, know it or not Paul disciples. I am not saying there aren’t ways I could get off track, so in that light am glad for Carlan’s expressions but then on another note to leave his comments without showing people a broader view that is more accurate to demonstrate all TI and DO taught would be like turning people away from the fact that anyone can at this time grow closer to graduating into Next Level Membership and that doesn’t include suicide to do as DO spoke of Three Types of people who would be saved and using suicide didn’t get one through the “gate” though it was the method of exit and show of total allegiance and trust and separation from the human kingdom for the 38+4 who had all spend time in a personal relationship with DO (and TI for many).

With this inclusion of what DO said evidence shows he’s clearly implying the same premise. He wants me to shut up because he doesn’t want me to get any attention because he thinks I’m getting an ego buzz off of doing so. In other words it’s the old adage of when you can’t shoot down the message, shoot down the messenger. In this case he’s saying that what I say is “false prophecy.” What I say is, if so then show me what is false about what I say. If I simply give my opinion about something I can’t prove is directly from TI and DO’s Mind that can be suspect of course but isn’t automatically “false speaking about the Next Level’s truth”.

I have no interest in putting Carlan down and I don’t block him because even the criticisms can be useful to me and potentially to anyone who comes in the direction of becoming a student of TI and DO to date, because we all will have such an opposition even from among some who say they believe in TI and DO. The Luciferian Space Alien Fallen Angels seek to influence all of us. Like DO said, “We all have demons”. I’ve been told by several that I come across as “cocky”. Maybe I do and maybe that’s a characteristic of one of my “demons” that I don’t yet know how to get rid of entirely. But even if I am getting some kind of ego buzz from appearing to know what I’m talking about, that’s between me and DO and TI not another student. So it irks him and that’s one of his demons to overcome as that tendency can also be directed at DO and may be part of the reason he left the classroom.

But what Carlan doesn’t seem to know is that we (everyone who is making application to be in TI and DO’s classroom in it’s current form and thereafter in the next civilization’s startup) NEED to talk about TI and DO for our own growth to show Them what They and Their Information means to us and to face us with the difficultly of doing so which is part of the “overriding requirement”… to be saved for a future classroom. Talking about them, telling the truth about them and supporting all they taught as true is what They referred to as “Standing” for Them and that also includes disseminating their information in the process which was also their intention, said in many ways throughout their left behind materials.

Just leaving our vehicles is not a ticket to anyplace but the spirit world and an end to taking advantage of the need to have a human vehicle to learn lessons through. Search the Heaven’s Gate book for the word “suicide” and see their position against “suicide”. The Luciferians would love for people to commit suicide even thinking that was a ticket to being with DO on his crew. I don’t know if there is anyone who didn’t have a personal relationship as an “Active student” to a “present” Older Member, which means in person with DO who, by leaving by their own hand would be seen by TI and DO as taking their best step towards graduation. DO said it clearly that we need our vehicles to learn lessons through. So for anyone who might consider laying down their life, prove it to DO by doing the job they outlined for us to do now. Separate from their humanness in all the ways they taught and maintain that separation and simultaneous to that STAND for them as without working for Them, separation may be no better than how monks and nuns separate from their humanness yet may ignore or poo poo that The Father and Jesus have returned already for the teaching part of the promised return.

There is a reason it’s such a hard task to Stand for them. The lower forces want to steal Souls for their selfish purposes so they will use any ploy to accomplish that. I know as I could see how I was slipping in that direction of serving humanity before The Next Level gave me a new dosage of “smelling salts” again.

Here is that statement Carlan included in a comment:

DO: “We have put into Heavensgate just about everything we have to say, as far as we are capable. The time I’m sitting with you is a tiny little fragment of time. I couldn’t tell you all the things I know if we sat for days and days and days. But if you want to know more about us, if you can believe what I am telling you and you want to know more about it, you can go to Heavensgate on the Internet. You can pull down all kinds of stuff that we have written, things that we have done, things about our history. We even have a book that is available to you – I’m not going to spend time now trying to sell you some book. But there is a book available that you can find on the Heavensgate website”.

Sawyer (aka 3spm, Swyody) replies:

Case in point… “…just about everything we have to say...” – which means there is more to say.

Another case in point is how they left behind the audio tapes and said in the letter addressed to MRC/SRF (aka Mark and Sarah), (presumably since their names were blacked out (by them according to you, since you sent me the letters that you got from Rkkody that you said Rkkody said he got from Mark and Sarah (Mrc/Srf) when they turned over the task to retrieve the contents of storage to them, which I don’t doubt any of).

“We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about.”

These letters were received by Mark and Sarah days after they had laid down their vehicles lives, right so this was after DO expressed having said “just about everything we have to say” so that is clear evidence that DO knew there would be more to say.  And since the Heaven’s Gate book had before then been put together in the first blue covered version that has been verified to have most of the same material as in the now purple covered version Mark and Sarah had printed on DO and Crew’s instructions (I believe) these statements in this letter become evidence that the remainder of what there is to say is contained outside of the content of their Book and WebSite.

This statement I just referenced came after they wrote in the same letter, in the context of giving the information of the storage locations and codes to access their cars and a truck and the entire content of storage (where the tapes as you reported to me Rkkody had told you were stacked in their cases right up front to stand out when one opened the door):

“It is our desire that any items of value that are retrievable by you be divided among those who feel inclined to disseminate our information. Any of the funds you retrieve can be used towards that end and for the living expenses of those involving themselves with this project.”

What does dissemination of Their information entail?

Is the contents of the audio tapes their information? I say it is and I believe the reason Rkkody didn’t succeed on his first attempt to exit his vehicle was because DO wanted him to get the ball rolling more on disseminating the audio tapes and other documents.

(Rkkody, at that time also started writing a book I’ve recently learned). Rkkody published on his “right to know” web site a handful of documents DO and The Class wrote some of which I can confirm were written while I was still in the classroom –  the one(s) on the Anonymous Sexaholics’ Celibate Church DO had us set up in the 1990’s that was discontinued before he sent us out to hold public meetings in 1994 (and all the others as well as I fully trust Rkkody).

My point is that, that information is in addition to the information in the Heavens Gate Book so the Heavens Gate Book IS “just about everything we had to say” because it includes all the primary points.

If DO and Crew didn’t want the audio tapes and these additional documents to become public they wouldn’t have left them behind in Rkkody’s keeping because I am sure they knew if Rkkody had them he would disseminate them which he did by including them on his Right To Know website, which he also sent to me via cd before he left his vehicle.

I was present for all of the audio tapes we have and don’t have, except for a couple of the 1994 audio tapes made when we were on the road that we have and for a couple takes like Blackhawk that were recorded at “Retreat time/task” (though I listened to them after they were recorded). That means I am a witness. But I understand I am fallible and can misremember things so what I often say during my livestreams is that the most dependable things to put our trust in is what is in the Heaven’s Gate Book and the Audio Tapes and Video Tapes that are clearly from TI and/or DO and Crew.

Being influenced to limit what is talked about as if eye witness testimony is like what the Catholic church did when they began to limit what was to be in the New Testament and Bible.

However, I remember clearly hearing TI and DO say, the words of Jesus (the “red letters” in the gospels) were kept in there because the Next Level “worked very hard to keep them accurate and available” (paraphrased).

But DO included in our study in the 1990’s (since we didn’t study bible materials before that and it was still optional) the materials from the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi library – the Lost Books of the Bible, the Book of Enoch, The Essene materials and other works, and also brought us a Strongs concordance – Hebrew and Greek dictionary and various versions of the bible because some provided alternative translation choices. One of those was Dakes Bible but DO also enjoyed referring to the Amplified Bible for that reason as well. We still did not have Bible lesson times except on a tiny few occasions. One time DO gave me a task to investigate the evidence in the bible for a form of reincarnation in the Bible and when I completed the task, which I wrote down he had me present my research to the entire classroom while he was present.

Something that Carlan repeatedly criticizes me for is that my name wasn’t mentioned in the names of those who DO and Crew listed as helping with the task of disseminating Their information. Yet in this letter I just quoted he broadened who could do the dissemination task to:

“those who feel inclined to disseminate our information”

…which clearly gives ANYONE AND EVERYONE that TASK whether we were in the classroom or not. That project imposes no limitations on how, when, where to do that task, though stipulates spreading “our information” so not just anyone’s information which is why I qualify what I say from my memory since one would have to listen to all the audio tapes and all the videos and all the documents in the book and others to potentially find evidence that many of my memories actually come from TI and DO’s Minds.

Also, in that same letter DO’s Crew also talked about how the CBC office (Canadian Broadcast Company) in NY had wanted an interview with DO and/or Crew that they declined. They said Simon Boyce was their “preferred media contact”. His producer director for a major documentary on UFO’s and paranormal was Debbie Geller about which they wrote:

“So for this reason, we are recommending that they be involved to some degree in the coverage of this event, that is, if their attitude seems to remain somewhat objective and you find working with them not too difficult. Of course, this is contingent upon whether or not you should choose to say anything to the media on our behalf. We would hope that the public would have an opportunity for more thorough knowledge of who we are and what we’re about”.

Two points stand out here that show their intentions:

1) they anticipated mark and sarah (and anyone who chooses) to choose to say things to the media on their behalf. Did that mean they would only be allowed to quote them or refer them to the Heaven’s Gate Book? They said, “say anything to the media on our behalf” which is exactly what I am attempting to do and are authorized by Them to do with everyone.

2) If They wanted Debbie Geller and the media to participate hoping they would be as objective as they and Simon said he was going to be in making the doc, then am I supposed to believe that DO wouldn’t have a former student who is Standing for He and TI and their information not to do things in the media. Should I just let the media dictate what gets spread to the public because otherwise I’m not letting DO’s information “stand alone” in it’s remote corner of the internet or to the few people who might happen to come by it and find you or me to be sent the information via email or something.