Ti and Do indicated they made mistakes and learned from them. We can too.

Here is a report I’ve seen before that may be from Ti and Do’s early awakening period that if it happened as it’s reported I suspect they might have considered a mistake that they learned a lesson from. From 1973 until 1974 they traveled all over the U.S. and I know they did so by asking for help with food and gas and shelter as they traveled, from preachers, because they claim to be working for God. But they also took jobs like, tarring rooves and digging septic tank ditches and also painted rocks to sell to tourists, as the examples they gave that I recall.

They said their choices to use a borrowed credit card and to rent a car and keep it longer than they were supposed to were mistakes they learned from, though one can see their mistakes as lesson opportunities for us. We can choose to see them and think they couldn’t be who they say they are because of, or see them as part of their learning experience and it’s even possible that Ti and Do’s Older Member in the Heavens overseeing their task wouldn’t have seen them as mistakes. In other words they could have been led to overlook the ramifications. There is considerable evidence of this in the way the things they said and did that changed or didn’t pan out as they thought at first served to dissuade some students from remaining their students while others, even a core group of 24 weren’t dissuaded in the least by any of these things. Thus they can be seen as both a filtering test criteria for those who were not strong enough to go the distance of overcoming all their humanness to graduate and can also be seen as additional fulfillment of prophecy and how Ti and Do were willing to be wrong and to admit it for the sake of their students. They didn’t make excuses as we see among the many Christian evangelicals that make predictions, though they did say some things were lessons for them which is saying they made mistakes, where these who predict the end of the world to the day often come back with another date, even when they know Jesus said no one is going to know the exact date. I suspect a lot of that kind of contradiction is because the lower forces have tricked them to think they have an exception, knowing they will be wrong and thus will be used to discredit even the entire belief in what Jesus taught and did. Anyway I’m not focused on that subject right now though it’s related to things Ti and Do said at first that they changed.

But personally I don’t see anything they said or did as a mistake. So with that said, here is the comment made to my blog that I believe was taken from a report I recognized though I haven’t checked it for exact wording and don’t recall where I saw it.

Comment from Jim on my blog:

On Oct. 9, 1973, the couple visited the town of Hopkinsville, Kentucky and skipped out on a $20 motel bill. While there, they checked into the old Holiday Inn on Fort Campbell Boulevard (now the Econo Lodge) where they made a lasting impression as a mysterious couple with no luggage and without a car. The following morning a maid found a note in their room in which they wrote:

From occupants of 47:On the Holiday Inn letterhead, they changed the wording from “The Nation’s Innkeeper” to “Innkeeper of the Universe.”

Dear Sir:

Thank you for permitting us accommodations in your inn. It would be impossible to explain to you who we are, where we come from, and who we represent. If we tried, you would not believe us. We exist in another dimension, which does not allow for the use of currency. We are on the planet for a few more months and our mission is for good. It would be useless for people to attempt to treat us as they would their own or to bring us harm, for it would result only in their death. This note is true and certainly not to be understood as threatening but as thanks for accommodations. This information should be kept in the strictest of confidence for your best interests. You will be rewarded well for your cooperation.”

Sawyers response:

I had read this account before and to me it does sound like Ti and Do in that note. Besides the obvious references to the “innkeeper of the Universe” as their letterhead, and being from “another dimension”, one of the ways they attempted to illustrate the difference between the Level Above Human and the Human Kingdom because the Next Level can operate in ways that are supernatural to humans though they are still in line with the physics of the planet, just not the visible physics that humans and their technologies can detect and identify as generated by Above Human intelligent physical beings.

Ti and Do did talk of their task duration as one of “months”.

In 1975-6 they were pressed by students about the time frame before “pick up”, at that time also thinking they would all be physically picked up in a matter of months. They responded, “no more than five years” and later felt they made a mistake to say that. As it turned out it was at the 5 year mark, thus about 1980 when Ti scheduled a pick up. We were still living outdoors in tents at the place called “cave without a name” in Boerne, Texas, the town where they first awakened in a big way after leaving Houston and their human lives behind. We stayed up most of the night waiting and there was no sign of a spacecraft and Do told us later that Ti felt she “had egg on her face” though I can’t recall she said anything to the student body about it. Interestingly, some left the group shortly after that, if I recall, Jssody, Rymody, Shdody, Trsody, Dymody and others, though the last two found their way back somehow years later and were among the 38. I can’t say they left because of that but I believe one of them later told a reporter that was why they left as the spacecraft pickup didn’t happen so they lost faith in Ti and Do.

What is also interesting was how to their core students who amounted to 24 by 1993 it didn’t phase them, just like the cancelling or changing of the “demonstration” didn’t phase them either. I was one of those that it didn’t phase. I wasn’t with them looking for a UFO experience nor because of their being the Two Witnesses of Revelations. I wasn’t a Christian though I believed in Jesus and I hardly knew anything about UFO’s except when Ti and Do said biblical accounts of “clouds of light” or “whirlwinds of fire” made sense to me to be spacecrafts. To me that was logical. Looking back, it had to be because of having received that recognition as though perhaps one could say I was naive about some things there were other things I was astutely aware. When I was told about the falling domino theory for the Vietnam war, I totally distrusted government and was not going to go fight their war and was preparing to go to Canada. As it turned out 55,000 American lives later, not to fail mention of probably millions of Vietnamese, Cambodian and Laotian lives that perception was right and has since pertained to government nearly across the board.

Now where they said those that sought to harm them would only result in their death, sounded like the prophecy pertaining to the Two Witnesses:

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

This usage as “killed” coming from the Greek, “apokteino” where “apo” is a prefix having to do with “separation” and “kteino” said to mean “death”, though it’s a word no one can find any history of except together with “apo” together would indicate either “death causing a separation” or “separating by/through, because of dying”. In this context the separation would be from the Next Level which is the ultimate definition of death because then that spirit or soul will never see life. I’m not going through an entire re-translation of this verse, but it will be included in my book.

Ti and Do did not believe what they believed about where they had come from and what their task was because of study. In Boerne where they spent less than 6 weeks is where they came to know individually that they had both come from “outer space” and were on Earth to “fulfill prophecy” and “bring updates to the bible”. That was in January and February of 1973. It wouldn’t be until several months later while in Gold Beach, Oregon that their study of all prophecy they could get their hands on, to learn what that prophecy they were to fulfill was, that they happened upon the Revelations chapter 11 prophecy of the Two Witnesses and knew this was referring to their task.

They essentially believed it as it was written though when the handwriting was on the wall, so to speak and they felt instruction to change their thinking, they didn’t hesitate, even though they knew they could lose their students by doing so. They always said that they individually had a very real communication with the Next Level and they would check with one another and find out that they received the same impressions at the same time even though they hadn’t talked about it beforehand.

Then of course changing the letterhead to: the “innkeepers of the Universe” sounds like them too.

It was a little puzzling that they were reported to not have a car or luggage. As Do reported in 88Update, he and Ti got to St. Louis in December of 1973 where their car broke down and he used one of his own credit cards he knew was good to rent a car with trusting, having faith they would be able to pay for it. He confirmed the same story when he made the unscripted “Beyond Human – The Last Call” video tape series.

Here is Do talking about it in Session 5 of 12 in the video series which had the assistance from June (Jwnody) and Sawyer (Swyody) which is why I know they were unscripted. I was directly involved in the filming. Do didn’t have any notes though did have questions set up ahead that the two helpers were to remind him to address for each session. He said,

“Another thing that happened is that Ti and I were in St. Louis at midnight when the comet Kohoutek came along, and our car, the little old dumpy car that we had reduced ourselves to, died.”

So if this note was left on October 9th of 1973, where was their car as it hadn’t broke down yet in St. Louis over two months later? Well, I suppose if they knew ahead of time that they would be skipping out on the bill, they could have parked the car someplace else, even on the other side of where their room was as Holiday Inn’s are never very small as then no one would see their licence plates. Or perhaps the Inn keeper just didn’t see their car or luggage. There were several reports of Ti and Do seemingly vanishing in thin air in those early days, one reported by Hayden Hewes who co-authored the book “UFO Missionaries Extraordinary”. Ti and Do once laughed about that saying they never vanished. I’ve wondered if the Next Level made it appear to some humans that they vanished.

In any case, it could have been them. If so what would be the justification. As Session Five continues it would appear that Ti and Do counted it a mistake on their part. Do continues…

“I’ll let you in on just a little personal history of the two of us. You’ll probably dig in and find a bunch of stuff. If you do hear it from the media, I’ll tell you now, about 80 or 90 percent of it is totally inaccurate. But I don’t say that in defense – you believe what you want to believe. Ti and I as individuals at the beginning were very, very moral individuals in our own standing. We felt like we were moral people. We felt like we lived very correctly, as far as how to treat our families, how to treat our neighbors, how to abide by the law. I could remember if I even had a friend that smoked a joint, and pot was illegal, I’d have wanted to stop having anything to do with him because he was doing something that was illegal. So, we were that preoccupied with trying to live in a way that wouldn’t upset the world of Caesar, so to speak. I mean, when Jesus said, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar,” it’s the same thing. In leaving this world to go to our Father’s Kingdom, you try the best you can to not make a mess of the world that you’re leaving. Yet in spite of it, sometimes we make a mess. And I’m going to let you in on a mess that I made when Ti and I were awakening.

At one time when we’d run out of money, one of our students said, “Look, I’ve got this perfectly good credit card here that I’d like for you to use for awhile if you can use it to help you buy gas.” So, we used it for a short time, and then we got to feeling uncomfortable about it. And just about the time we got to feel uncomfortable about it, we learned, by a circumstance which I’ll tell you about in a few minutes, that the card had been reported stolen by the husband of the student, who had said, “It’s a good credit card and I want you to use it.” But things were happening at the home of that student that we weren’t aware of. In our naivete‚ we thought, “Well, thanks a lot, we’ll buy a little gas with this credit card for a period of time.”

Another thing that happened is that Ti and I were in St. Louis at midnight when the comet Kohoutek came along, and our car, the little old dumpy car that we had reduced ourselves to, died.

When we left the world, we both had shiny new cars and we wore them out. One we left to be repossessed, because our heads were so captivated by what we were doing, we knew that we couldn’t take the responsibility for it. We couldn’t even stop to think about it. And here we were in a snow storm in the middle of the night in St. Louis, as I said, the night Kohoutek came. And I had a credit card of my own in my pocket that we knew was good. We hadn’t used it, and it was in good standing. I pulled out the credit card and I said, “Look, let’s rent a car. Let’s have faith that the bill will be taken care of and we’ll get on our way and we won’t just be stranded. Here we are, we’ve got no car at all, and hardly funds for doughnuts.” So, we rented this car and then we went on.

Now, you can say, “What are you doing”? Well, we were going from this little minister to that little minister, to this TV preacher to that one, and we were saying, “We don’t know why we have this information, but we feel that we’ve been sent from the Kingdom of Heaven to tell you this and this and this.” And most of the time what they would do is listen politely, and maybe offer us a meal and say, “What you’re saying tempts me somehow or other as I sit here listening to you….” Or what would happen to us many times is someone would listen to us and they’d believe everything we’d say, and then they would part from us, and go have dinner with their family or something and come back with a completely different attitude, almost as if to say, “Get out of here! You’re upsetting my whole life. I don’t want to see you again!” Or they would say, “I wish I could go with you, but I can’t. I just can’t destroy everything that I am responsible for here.” Well, we were so busy going around naively telling what we were doing, that in this town of Brownsville, Texas – right down on the Mexican border – we thought, “Well, we’re going to let our story out to the media. We’re going to tell the media what we know about the Kingdom of Heaven and our having been sent from the Kingdom of Heaven to help people get from here to there.” And so we visited with this reporter and we set up an appointment at a motel saying, “We’ve got the most exciting, unusual, interesting story to tell you that you have ever heard. So come and meet us at this motel room and hear this story.” Little did we know that that reporter showed up, without telling us, with the sheriff and deputies, and helicopters, and squad cars, because he thought that we were going to tell him about a major drug deal. Because that was the most important story that he could think of that we could tell him. And when we were to meet with him, we suddenly wondered, “What is this crowd of people around here? Who are all these people”? And we were getting vibes that didn’t feel too good to us. So, we ran out of the room and ran to our car, climbed in, and scooted down the street, because we couldn’t figure out what was happening here.

Next thing you knew, the helicopter came in on us with its megaphone and was saying, “Pull off! Pull off!” I don’t know what they were saying. We were scared to death. Then we pulled off and someone from the sheriff’s department got in the car and said, “I want to see your ID.” And then they said, “Well, we don’t know what we’ve stopped you for, but we’ll tell you in a minute.” What they stopped us for was because they couldn’t figure out why we were running. Because here they were at the motel with the reporter, and so they were just holding us while they were trying to figure out what they were holding us for. In the meantime, they did a check on the license plate on the car that we had rented. And yes, we had held the car past the point that it should be returned, though we had written a note saying to the charge card company and to the rental office, “Don’t worry, we’ll return the car soon and the bill will be paid, and we’ll take good care of the car.”

You can say, “That was really stupid and naive.” Yes, but we were so captivated with our task that we had blinders on to Caesar’s world. We were so caught up in our Father’s world and convinced that our Father wouldn’t let anything happen to us – that that bill would be paid and we didn’t have to worry about it. So, what happens, we get thrown in jail because in the process of doing a search on us they learned that Ti’s name had been turned in for possession of stolen credit cards – the credit card I mentioned to you earlier that someone had given us. And they had just neglected to remove that charge when we didn’t use that card. It was an old charge, but was still in the books. The student by that time had returned home to husband many months prior to that. While we were held in the Brownsville jail, they checked that out and they found out that the charges had been dropped on the credit card. But in the process, they moved Ti to another jail closer to the court where that credit card charge would come up if it was still an active charge. And they moved me to St. Louis. Regarding the charge card that I had used – the rental car company had dropped the charges. But I hate to tell you that an ambitious prosecuting attorney in St. Louis thought, “This is an easy case. I can make some points. This guy is as guilty as he can be of a stolen car.” So, here I went to jail in St. Louis. Well, within about 30 days, Ti was released from jail, and boy, did we learn a lot from that experience.

I stayed in jail and the little public defender kept coming and coming and coming, and saying, “Oh, this is a ricky-ticky case and we’ll have you out of here in no time, time served.” And I was thinking, “Goodness alive, what have we done! Nobody’s going to believe what we have to say about the Truth because now we’re criminals. We’re socially unacceptable. And who on Earth will listen to somebody that has a record”? And the little public defender came in and said, “It’s Christmas time and I think that the judge will release you on time served if you will plead guilty. Then we can get you out in a hurry.” I’d been in there 6 months when my case went before the judge and I was sentenced to 4 months. So, they owe me 2, in a sense. I mean, as far as I’m concerned, I was in there 2 beyond my sentence, but I didn’t get any credit for it. I’m teasing, but the point I’m making is that Ti and I didn’t want to do anything that could be questionable because we didn’t want a bad light shed upon our credibility if we had this Truth to offer. But the fact that Luci came in on us to see that we were so quickly discredited, also acted as insurance for our continued separation from the world.”

We had a new rule now. It was: How tight can our rules be to not again be questioned as far as legality or to not get in a circumstance like this. Oh, I’m sure that if they want to find fault with you bad enough, they can find it or make it up. I’m sure the design has some loop holes in it that they could find fault if they wanted to badly enough. But I’m telling you how – and Jesus taught this – that “if you follow me,” you will lose credibility, you will lose respect from those that you had respect from. I’m afraid the same is true today. If we end up being the instruments of your overcoming, of your transition from the human kingdom to our Heavenly Father’s Kingdom, I’m afraid you will lose credibility. If there’s a reason for it to be lost, you will lose it. It can assist you. It can become the positive. It can accelerate. It can ensure your separation. Even though the situation always exists, as I spoke of earlier, that we can say to any student, “If you don’t want to be here, if you aren’t happy here, go and try to recover whatever it is that you want to recover. We’ll help you try to recover it.” Because, don’t forget, in the same way that when you go against our Father’s Kingdom, His rule is that, “If you acknowledge that you’ve gone against Me, if you ask for forgiveness, then I’ll take you back into My camp.”‘

Luci has a counterfeit of those same rules. Luci says that in his world, if you come back and you apologize for having been a part of that “cult” and having been duped into that stupid venture of yours and if you come and say, “I did wrong, I’ll prove to you that I’ll do right, I’ll re-assume my responsible position in this world,” then he’ll accept you back. He’ll let you back in that fold. I’m afraid I slipped and said “Luci” again, and I said that I wouldn’t. But you know I have to share with you that in my conversations with Ti about that usage of “Luci,” I felt like Ti kept saying, “Oh come on, Do, don’t make such an issue of it. If anybody named Lucille or Lucy hears you do that, they can take it in the right way.” So, I’m not sure that every time I use it, even though I’ll try not to, that I’ll bother to correct it, because I’m going to assume that it only applies within the context. There’s certainly nothing wrong with the name Lucy. Even Lucifer was “Prince of Light” or “Son of Light.” The name was a beautiful name. It’s the individual that went awry that had that name.”

Thus as Do said about the circumstances around the alleged auto theft and credit card theft,…

“We had a new rule now. It was: How tight can our rules be to not again be questioned as far as legality or to not get in a circumstance like this.”

I think it safe to say they felt like they made mistakes and there are additional examples and they felt Jesus felt he also made mistakes.

Finally, let’s say their Next Level helpers wanted them to make mistakes. For what reason. Well, for one so we would have a real picture of the task and wouldn’t judge others that made mistakes, that is if we become helpers to others coming in the direction of the Next Level.

And it just so happens, in this case it also fulfills prophecy that he comes as a thief:

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

(Incidentally, this was basically saying to be vigilant and awake and watchful and guard  what you look at with your eyes, keeping your clothes on  so you don’t slip into indecent behaviors with uncovered genitals).

I believe the context of this refers mostly to the timing of his arrival being a surprise and being at night meaning that it is hidden from view as Jesus also says in Luke which is the basis of one application of coming with/from clouds as clouds are a covering but also coming incarnate is also coming in an “undercover” way as Ti and Do called it.

At the same time as in most all prophecy there are several ways to interpret it, he is as a thief because He is taking away human vehicles from their otherwise normal human activities and relationships, however gradually and/or in stages. The new students returning as “souls” come in to “capture” human vehicles (Jesus said he was making them “fishers of men (humans)” the way a human rancher might capture wild horses to put them to work. Now Next Level “ranchers” don’t abuse those horses. In fact it’s the Next Level way to offer those horses training and those that don’t accept it, let go back into their wild, while those that do accept it, even come to choose to be with their human masters over going back to the wild to run with the herd/pack again. The Mind/spirit from such a horse, or in the additional way Ti and Do described this about dogs, having become part of a human family/household, following all the rules and even seeming to think of themselves as an equal with the human family members, that spirit/mind of that dog can even move into relationship with a new born baby human in that family unit and become a big influence on their developing mind. (I haven’t heard of a horse living in the house with a human – I don’t know if they can be potty trained).

Jesus Castration, Married with kids?- Ti and Do’s – alien abduction insurance – 2 phases of Second Coming = 1)Two Witnesses incarnate 2) Jesus glorified vehicle in clouds

Here are some questions comments followed by my responses:

Questions and comments to Sawyer:

Did the group take out alien abduction insurance? I read they did. Also, did Jesus have his testicles removed?

Jesus accepted the horrors that were to come. Do was always worried about the family and Cult Awareness Network and cops — avoiding stuff.

What sort of inspiration would Jesus have been if he and his disciples had taken the easy way out?

You don’t remember what town Do worked in as a janitor for 3 or 4 years to pay for his neutering? Do you remember what state?

Did Jesus abandon his wife and kids? Jesus certainly didn’t abandon his mother whom he loved to the very end.

How could they be the two witnesses and be the second coming of Jesus at the same time?

Ti and Do did “global-wide broadcasts to millions”? Please post links!

“Children” is used literally and figuratively throughout the bible. Jesus used in both contexts — but there is no doubt: he literally loved children — and by children I mean literally “children”. Do abandoned his children.

So, what I’m trying to show you is that Do was nothing like Jesus in any way, shape, or form. To compare the two is a stretch beyond imagination.

You — a believer if you will — find parallels in everything you read. Nobody else sees any parallels at all. Doesn’t that give you a clue to your fantastical thinking?

Jesus didn’t bugger his students. Herf did. Jesus knew exactly what was happening; do and ti didn’t have a clue… they hedged as you say. Jesus performed miracles — Do and Ti didn’t perform one — not one! Jesus was brave, Do lived a scared life. Jesus’ death demonstrated something important to mankind, your group just committed suicide–making Do an eternal punchline to jokes about wild-eyed cult leaders until the end of time itself.

Sawyers responses:

Yes I read they took out alien abduction insurance. I don’t know Do’s thinking on that but here’s what I came up with for whatever it’s worth. It was very like Ti and Do to cover their bets. Do didn’t arrive at the way they completed their task by receiving a detailed list of how every aspect would go. That was never the motus operandi. I believe they packed a bag and had their passports on them in case Ti wanted to take their vehicles, heal them from what they ingested and have them perform a task somewhere else. Since they could get the insurance, if Ti did take them and wanted to stage it so it was witnessed by the world, for instance along the lines of what Christians misthink about the “rapture” being a physical ascension, then the world would witness it and they would have to pay up and that could help those left behind tell their story and even bring more publicity in case their exit was covered up, that is if the Next Level let the humans do so as a part of the greater strategy of providing doubt, which is why the “dropout” – fallen angels, the Luciferians provide because they want to, so again allowing us to choose who to side with.

I’ve seen nothing in scripture that suggested Jesus had his testicles removed. If he did spend time with an original Essene group as some suspect then he could have, but just like he didn’t insist on his disciples being celibate (at least in a publicly acknowledged way that was reported that way), he also didn’t do more than hint in the records that self castration was an option as in:

Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

What about the first 3 years of Jesus ministry. How many times did some try to stone him and catch him. If you think he paid no attention to the ways the lower forces were trying to use humans to stop him from completing his task, then I think you haven’t really examined the records with that reality in mind. To some degree Jesus was always on the run though was adept at hiding and perhaps in those days could blend in fairly easily. And to say Do was “always worried about the family” is a huge exaggeration just because he and Ti were always “security minded”. Maybe you are clinging to what a former member who turned against Ti and Do said on one of the documentaries about that. Well he exaggerated a great deal. Let’s face it the biggest criticisms against Ti and Do that came from dropouts was that they had a procedure to shave in a certain direction or didn’t provide enough dentistry (though I did receive a lot of dentistry). But the shaving procedure wasn’t even a static procedure. If he shaved in the direction given, which came about because a student wanted to know how Do shaved because they wanted to become one with everything Do did, and had a problem with doing so, then he could write a note and say, he had this problem and Do would have addressed it in some way. In our notes to Do we had an instruction to not provide solutions to problems we encountered. This way, we wouldn’t be using our mind as we were agreed by being there to abide by what came from Ti and Do’s mind, right down to every nitty gritty seemingly insignificant detail. However, they said there were things they didn’t want us to mimic in that way though they appreciated those that had that desire. This giving of our will to the Older Member was just as Jesus taught as to “deny self” and “give their will to the Father” – specifically to the incarnate Older Member providing the most current lesson criteria.

I never meant to say Do worked as a janitor for 3-4 years. I’m not sure where you got that idea, but perhaps I misspoke. I suspect Rio could better speak to that so one of these days I’ll shoot him an email, though the last time I spoke to him he said he didn’t want to be involved in the Heaven’s gate story any longer as he felt he did all he wanted to do with his book. But I’d be surprised if it was even as long as 3-4 weeks. No I don’t know what state but I suspect either Arizona or New Mexico. I was invited to do the Geraldo Show in the summer of 1997 which was staged in NYC. Before we went on the air, I had some interaction with some of the other guests. It was a show mainly about UFO’s and Allen Shargel (if I recall his name right) was telling me how he met Do and that he was I believe a janitor and he was staying in a motel, I thought in Arizona. But the memory of the conversation is foggy. Shargel if that’s spelled correctly I think is somewhat active in UFO convention circles. He’s an author and had his publicist with him on the Geraldo show and frankly I didn’t believe him though then heard that from another source that Do also left to have the procedure so I then tied that into the Shargel story.

I never saw any evidence that Jesus had a wife or kids. I know that book Holy Blood, Holy Grael seemed to suggest such though after he supposedly staged his crucifixion and went to live in France with Mary Magdalene. I never read the whole book or the other books that make such claims based on tiny shreds of things, ignoring the 99.99% of the record that indicated he did nothing of the sort.

What does that mean “abandon his mother”. You know of course that he was quoted to have indicated that the woman who gave birth to his vehicle was NOT his mother and the sibling of his vehicle was NOT his brother BECAUSE his “mother, brother – Family were now ONLY those that were grafting to their NEW family, a family with a bond in their Minds (Spirits) consisting of those who trusted in, have faith in and thus the true meaning of “belief” in his Father who abide by their teachings:

Mat 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Did he love that human who was the mother of his vehicle? Certainly that is indicated and especially when his vehicle was dying as he demonstrated in suggesting she become the “mother” to his disciple “John”. Wouldn’t that be impossible unless it was saying to care for one another in that way of such a family of believers?

Joh 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
Joh 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
Joh 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

The Two Witnesses are described as “anointed” before the Lord of the Earth – in Zech chapter 4 where they are also compared to being Olive Trees and Candlesticks both directly related to the origin of Oil from Olives as the “force” squeezed from the olive and used to generate “light” to provided enlightenment to others. That is the CHRISTING PROCESS that is also the OVERCOMING PROCESS that every student must complete to the satisfaction of the Older Members before they are awarded with a new physical Next Level body and an eternal life. Jesus said upon his return he was not coming in the name of Jesus. Rev 3:12 says he will have a new name and Rev 1 describes him as having a white head and white hair and fire (passion) in his eyes and metal (strong) legs to STAND UP ON, standing up for his Older Member’s Mind. In John’s gospel Jesus says that his Father also loves the students and they would be able to communicate directly with the Father upon his return. He also says in that same part of the record that both he and his Father would “make our abode with you”. Abode was a physical dwelling which also corresponds to his saying he had to prepare a place for them so they could dwell where he dwells in his “house” translated to “mansion” apparently a spacecraft in that context.

He said he would come in such a way that is secret – not to be observed by the eyes and as a “son of man” which is an “offspring of human (mankind)” which is in-carnal – Latin carne = flesh, as a “thief in the night” that if some are “watching” for will not be caught off guard and miss him while those that think themselves first to recognize him will be last to recognize him. That’s largely the Christians. But Last is just as good as first. It’s only not ever recognizing him when we have the chance that is a path to destruction in the lake of fire to come, which is also the end of the spirit world. (For whatever it’s worth, those who believe in Ti and Do, I don’t think believe because they fear death and destruction. They believe because it makes so much darn sense, they can’t deny it and are so attracted to everything Ti and Do say. That doesn’t mean they have come to terms with everything they taught or don’t have doubts, but they are at least willing to come to believe and understand those things rather than let those doubts turn them away from that relationship. I know I may not be speaking for all).

He comes with the clouds, from the clouds, where clouds were always used as a “cover” as humans aren’t allowed to see the Next Level members or their spacecrafts directly unlike the space alien spacecrafts that even pose and show their nuts and bolts primitive construction in comparison. (I suspect that they used some of these primitive spacecrafts for their crash arrival as some of those who are called space aliens were working for the Next Level in what Do called a “domestic” capacity and were given the opportunity to join them in entering the Overcoming of Humanness classroom to move into full adult membership in the Next Level when they would receive a Next Level Vehicle, and those that did choose to enter the program had some of the more primitive crafts).

Jesus said upon his return he would speak plainly about the Father and no longer in parables so no stories but that’s a face to face experience.

It really never was a “second return” of that Older Member from the Next Level Kingdom of God, kingdom in the literal heavens as some Christians even believe it was the same individual who was Adam and Michael the Archangel and Jesus. Ti said Do served as Adam, Enoch, Moses, Elijah and Jesus. That makes the return as the Two Witnesses the sixth coming  and Do as seen through the remaining 6 of 7 “thunders/roars” of Rev 10 the seventh coming.

However, where the second coming is correct is in two senses. In 1987 Do told us we had to all be who we were, in other words the return of the same Souls who were Jesus and his disciples incarnate then, incarnate now as Jesus said would happen. So that began the second public offering of Ti and Do’s information starting with the “88 update” Do wrote to set the record straight as to Ti and Do’s beginning as the Two Witnesses followed in 1992-3 with the Beyond human Series that was Do, but still not saying he was the specific Soul returning though we knew he was. These were the 7 thunders (roars) of Rev 10 in progress still a part of the 6th trumpet sounding that ended with “UNDERCOVER “JESUS” SURFACES BEFORE DEPARTURE” which was just an internet usenet post that proved to them that part of the task was just about over followed by the 7th roar of the Heaven’s Gate web site and book and their exit.

But the second part of the way in which it was a “second coming” is yet to occur and is described in Rev 19 after the “marriage” of the remaining students who give their lives, this second phase by spreading the words of Ti and Do in what is depicted as the “winepress” of Rev 14. They don’t lay down their lives in the same way as the first fruits did with their Older Member physically present to guide them through, as it’s not reversible which needs to be according to day to day instruction to make sure all students are doing so fully voluntary as evidenced by Rio’s dropping out two weeks before they exited. He wasn’t ready.

But there were still more to be married to Do though their test was whether they would also give their lives but by disseminating the information that will build to hatred against them as more and more come to believe in Ti and Do and parents, etc. of those who choose to believe look to those who continued to share the info as responsible so seek them out to stop them. (It may happen in another way as many who are seen as dissident will be subject to the unrest that is building to where the government “bestial” humans and loyalists think they are doing the right thing to rid society of all dissidents and especially those who don’t agree with their atheistic and/or religious ideas that is what many Christians actually become though they still use the name of Jesus as their savior. In practice they justify getting rid of dissidents the same way it was done to Jesus and his disciples by the Jews and associated state operatives who many times are in bed together.

So in Rev 19 it shows the 24 returning after having “fell down and worked for (worshipped) the Next Level (God)” on white horses, in this case not their physical vehicles but their spacecrafts. (Ti and Do called our cars horses). These have new physical vehicles described as his army on “white horses” while they are “arrayed/clothed in fine linen, clean and white” which is both the fact that they are “pure” and actually literally “white”. They are following the one who is “clothed with a vesture dipped in blood” which I suspect is the same physical body Jesus changed over into his Next Level “glorified” body that he demonstrated was physical and took with him into that spacecraft behind the cloud cover that was witnessed by at least the 11 apostles.

I don’t know if there will be some way the people on earth at that time will be able to literally see his face but I suspect some might from other prophecy as this will cause the end as the 6th seal that sets into motion the recycling to where the New world order is shattered and the U.S. is literally broken up and the “books of judgement” are opened and whoever is not in the book is recycled. This is followed by a rest time and a 1000 years, half an age before the Luciferians are recycled. It is at that point that the Next Level’s spacecraft “holy city” the New Jerusalem and new heaven and new earth is physically with those who have been abiding by all the Next Level taught, possibility describing the next “classroom” as when the Luciferians are surrounding their “camp” the Next Level dintergrates them – throwing them into the Lake of Fire, however that is literally accomplished.

So Christians will get the return in the clouds but Do didn’t think they would be seeing his scars, etc. if they are even still on that vehicle anymore.

There is a lot more I can say about this but this is the jist for whatever it’s worth and I sure there is still more to see, so I can certainly be wrong about some of this, but I do feel at this time, this interpretation works for now.

Also, overcoming is ongoing. Just because one refrains from sex for years doesn’t mean there are no hormones in one’s system to stimulate the past habits of thought and action. One can grow to see the “influences” toward sexuality coming and even cut them off before they become full thoughts in one’s head. You kind of develop a radar, Ti talked about as something she could “smell” though I don’t know how literal that is, except it is well known that pheromones are smelled by animals, as humans whether we are aware of them or not. I have experienced this and degrees of it, like seeing something that could stimulate arousal and cutting off associated thoughts before they register completely like mid sentence. And I have experienced not letting the thought register as a sentence at all and plenty times I did let the thought register and saw how I could literally feel it stimulating a glandular response that would eventually cause a build up until it seeks to be released in a nocturnal emission or via masturbation or having sex with someone. In the group these resulted in nocturnal emissions that we did have a procedure to deal with and didn’t include feeling guilty about. If we didn’t do anything to stimulate it, then Ti and Do considered it like an “energy” being released “off the top” as in a pressure valve. So one can get so experienced and able to cut off thoughts or smell them that they no longer pose a threat to the behavior they want to maintain. But that doesn’t mean one would drop their shields, what Ti and Do called putting up the “blank card” in our mind and not engaging circumstances where they would be tested. They taught that as long as you are in the human kingdom you are subject to bouts with such human behaviors and ways though they can cease to cause you to give into them, that is unless you let it happen. Even though Do’s vehicle before he was awakened had become attracted by both genders, in the 1990’s he told us that when he sees a woman’s breast on a movie it solicits no more or less response than seeing a “grapefruit”. However, in the 1990’s he also told me that part of the reason his “helpers” mostly had female vehicles (Lvvody and Jnnody and sometimes Jwnody) was because he found he wasn’t quite as objective with some of the students who had male vehicles and/or wanted to remain diligent in his guard. I think it had a lot to do also with the degree of amour of the student, male or female. Lggody, a student in a male vehicle, when I was his partner told me he didn’t have any problem with sensuality. He ended up being the most consistent student helper in an male vehicle for both Ti and Do and of Do after Ti left her vehicle.

Search on these keywords to find the links to the way in which Ti and Do’s information has been spread to millions, as I never compiled them all but suppose I should sometime:

New York Times front page of the magazine section, international edition – 1976 – Phelan was the writer. Look up the circulation!
CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC both in 1975 and 1997 – as the UFO Cult and Heaven’s Gate
USA Today 1/3 of a page info-ad, international and national editions – May 27, 1993 – Circulation?
44 ads in alternative newpapers published in most every big city in the U.S. and Canada, England, Scotland, Austrailia and New Zealand.
Internet usenet postings in 1996
Heaven’s Gate web site, still receives hits
Documentaries – At least 4 I was in.
CBS 60 minutes – that I was in on Easter sunday 1997 that was I was present in the shooting of, Saturday, the day before.
Larry King Live that I was in from a studio in NYC as it was broadcast from Atlanta.
Geraldo Show that I was in that was shot in NYC.
Newspaper articles in many western NY cities during the 1994 public meeting tour that I was involved with.
9 months of public meetings with one every two weeks times four or five groups in 1994, meeting list is in the purple book.
9 months of public meetings in 1975-6 by 5 or so groups all over U.S. and Canada also listed in purple book.
Movie, the Mysterious Two – made for TV movie that was terrible and not at all accurate. I don’t know if the flute player was me as I did join with a flute that I never played again and sold to buy a car with.
Several Articles in Time, Newsweek and psychology today both in 1975-6-7-8 and 1997.

People magazine in 1997 with Rio on the cover.

National Geographics Channel 2008 – Final Report: Heaven’s Gate which I say is the beginning of the 7th angels trumpet – circulation in millions perhaps?

Many Radio and some local TV station coverage both in 1975-6 and 1997 that I was apart of some of. I did a TV spot in Dallas, Tucson at a public access station and the local CBS affiliate there.
Chapters in Books are still being written. I’ve helped no less than four authors with material.
Book: UFO Missionaries Extraordinary – still in circulation – published by Brad Steiger famous sci fi writer and Hayden Hewes – UFOlogist in 1976
Beyond Human video series broadcast on Satelitte in 1993 and has been on youtube for years now along with the exit videos on channel: heavensgatedatabase that I don’t know who maintains.
Most every year some media does an article on them
Blog posts galore by critics in 1997

– Jesus speaking of children was almost entirely referring to his students as children as in:
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

The other primary use of children was referring to those who forsook their children for the kingdom of Heaven’s sake which is what Ti and Do and some others did and it wasn’t abandonment of care of them as in every case another parent took care of the children so they were not without love and support:

Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Here is the only time I am aware of his having direct contact and interactions with children and he used them as an example of what we must become which goes together the many times he compared disciples as his children:

Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.

So you have shown me again how Do is exactly like Jesus with updated terminology and a more advanced lesson plan for the graduates just like Jesus provided an updated lesson plan from what was provided when he was incarnate in the vehicle named Moses.

Point out please how I have stretched the imagination?

There are others that see the parallel – you just don’t know them I suppose but I do know some and that number keeps growing because the truth can not be held down when the Next Level wants it exposed.

Finding parallels have come to me gradually and you are right I do see them in most all of Jesus quotations and throughout Jesus prophecy, but wouldn’t that be the case if Do was his return. Wouldn’t all the parallels be apparent but only for those who have the eyes to see as he said, those who have his light in their lamps at least enough so that upon his arrival they don’t miss him?

I agree it is fantastical thinking but all information from the Next Level is fantastical thinking in my opinion and it affects me that way and for those that fear the truth it seems like fanciful thinking or disturbing thinking or something of that nature. The children of the kingdom that choose to be the children of the kingdom recognize his voice and can’t deny it. Anyone can ask for that recognition if they want to put it to the test but you must do as Jesus suggested and talk to the Father in the literal heavens with our request to know the truth and then be prepared to drop all our preconceived ideas that discount it. Those thoughts won’t go away but by choosing to override them builds strength and we can also ask for that strength from the Father in the heavens.

I don’t know what “bugger his students means” so I can’t address what you said Herf did or didn’t do. Please provide one example of how Herf “buggered his students”?

You said “do and ti didn’t have a clue [what was happening]” another vague accusation. Have you studied any of this history? Were you with them at all? Did you talk to anyone who was? If you are referring to the way they changed their perspective and to the few times they thought something MIGHT happen and didn’t in the way they thought it might, then you are missing their modus operandi which was to follow their instructions regardless of whether they came out in the way they thought the MIGHT and how by doing that, the filtered out those that were not engaged with them for the most right reasons so would not be able to make it through the entire lesson step to graduation. I’m not making this up. I and at least 23 other students with them from the beginning weren’t phased at all by the changes they made and the appointments to exit they felt might happen that they were instructed to treat as if they could. And there is no evidence we 24+ were brainwashed in the way humans think of that term that even Professor Robert Balch, the psychological authority on the group that most look to saw evidence of.

But did Jesus say upon his return he would perform miracles? To the contrary he said it would be the false christs and false teachers that would be showing “signs and wonders” to fool even the elect. What he said was upon his return he would speak “plainly” and “boldly” about his Father and their Kingdom and that his disciples would be able to ask the Father in person questions.

My book documents all of this and lots more by many direct pieces of contextual documentation. Stay tuned to have access to it.

I don’t deny that Jesus was brave but to insinuate Do was not is just not aware of reality. Read 88 Update and you will see examples of bravery in leaving their world behind, having to deal with feeling crazy, even every day, not liking the idea of telling others they were the Two Witnesses knowing how that was seen a blasphemous for the religious to hear what they would say.

In fact at the meeting where I met them in Waldport, OR a woman from the back of the room yelled real loud, “you ought to be shot” right after they said that you couldn’t join with them and bring children. When you are called a dangerous cult leader compared to charles manson and later Jim Jones, do you think it’s a sign of a coward to stand up to that and keep on keeping on. Do you know how many parents hated them? Do you think they relished the idea of being killed, yet knew they must continue. When the FBI showed up at the first oklahoma city meeting thinking their group (cult) might have been responsible for cattle mutilations was it cowardice to out the back door or smarts knowing they have the power to stop their task even on a whim?

Where is the evidence that Do lived a scared life? You keep saying that but you have no evidence. It’s just your opinion and that’s fine to have if that’s what you want to cling to. Have you asked your Heavenly Father for the truth about Ti and Do. Don’t answer that for me – it’s none of my business to know the answer but if you haven’t and didn’t do so really wanting to know the truth, how can you feel qualified to leverage all these shallow arguments against them? They are shallow because none have any evidence that holds up to the truth as I have tried to provide you. Repentance really means to “change ones mind” – a literal changing of the way we thought before, though includes actions as well.

Do you think Jesus wasn’t made the brunt of jokes. what do you think that crown of thorns was and the purple robe and the king of the jews sign and the artificial bowing and scraping the guards were recorded to have done. If they did that how much more was that done in the Roman theaters and parties potentially as I don’t know the evidence of it but I’d bet there was plenty of it. Most thought he was a nut.

Why is it if someone has intensity in their eyes that’s considered “wild”. Wasn’t that also in scripture that he would:

Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

“Eyes were as a flame of fire” sounds pretty intense and “wild” to use your word. And to boot, he has white like wool hair as Do had upon going public in his vehicle’s mid 40’s and a white head and these are compared to things with color so at this point are not talking about light or purity.

Many Christians understandably have a Hollywood and/or religisized view of Jesus. That’s why it’s hard to get past that and I don’t fault those for it. A better understanding was not available until Ti and Do came along and shed new light on the entire subject and even still we are all in grades in this great school on earth so all are not going to be ready to graduate at the same time. I flunked out of the graduate course but that doesn’t mean there aren’t second chances for any of us. I know it’s troubling to consider what is being shown. I can talk to how troubling it was for me to come back into the amount of belief and faith I do have now. They helped me a great deal to come back into their Mind’s awareness and there is still plenty of room to grow more in that awareness, behavior and ways.

The battle you are going through is what it takes to deal with to climb up another notch out of the human kingdom’s sea of confusion but you are not alone but must ask to get their help.

I know Do and Ti and I know they are every bit worthy of who they say they are – Older Members from the Level Above Human, Kingdom of God, Kingdom in the literal heavens. You can know that just as much if you allow it to happen by surrendering to your Heavenly Father who is in the literal heavens.

Did dreams and premonitions contribute to Sawyer’s faith in Ti and Do’s continued presence?

The following is simply a question and answer that has to do with dreams and premonitions Sawyer reported and whether they contributed to his faith.

Questions:

I’d be interested to know more about the insights and experiences Ti and Do have enabled you to have since Do and the crew left. In particular, I recall you mentioning that Ti enabled you to see discarnates or members of the Next Level for a brief time. You’ve also mentioned your premonition on the eve of September the 11th, 2001 and your dream in which Do and the crew visited you. Have you had any similar experiences that assured you of Ti, Do, and the crew’s continued presence?

More generally, to what extent has your continued faith in Ti and Do been reinforced by such experiences? Do you, like Thomas after the Resurrection, believe that Ti and Do were genuine primarily because you have seen concrete evidence that they were, e.g. your insights and experiences; or are you instead among the ‘blessed’, as Jesus called them, who believe without having seen concrete evidence?

In addition, what did Ti and Do say about so-called miracles, i.e. extraordinary occurrences inexplicable to humans, in the present day?

Sawyers response:

The short answer is yes, those experiences did help me come to terms with their continued presence. And yes I have had many experiences, especially when viewing the many events in outer space and with comets, etc. and looking back on the historic records of Jesus and beyond that all contribute to become for me concrete evidence. I think we all require evidence and if anything receiving more blatent evidence is a sign of one’s youth which is not a bad thing. It’s just contrary to what most might think about it.

My accounts of seeing discarnates because of Ti that began immediately after waking up from a dream of Ti were clearly not seeing members of the Next Level. Members of the Next Level don’t appear as spirits. They either come to us during dream time or in person which is rare but you can see a recent account in Rio’s book, Beyond Human Mind that I have written about on this blog, I believe, which took place in Tucson, AZ in 1995-6. Those same kinds of accounts were witnessed by Jesus and three students on the “transfiguration” mountain and at the tomb and at Jesus physical rising into the cloud that received him that no doubt had a spacecraft inside it and possibly those who came to Lot. Now discarnates can also come to us in dreams and do, so one should never base their actions solely on dreams. and the same with premonitions. Before that dream with Ti and the subsequent witnessing of spirit/discarnates I had had many dreams of students, another of Ti approving of my writing right after 9/11 and several of Do. However after I saw these spirit/discarnates, over the course of several months in different ways, such sightings ceased and over the next years I would only see much vaguer things I would equate with discarnates occasionally, but dreams with Do and/or students continue on occasion, usually to correct me, like when I was trying to start up a relationship with a young woman my vehicle was smitten with and Do came to me in a dream and said, “how about being faithful to me?” which has helped me stay on track in that regard ever since. It’s because of the relationship I had with Do, together with my desire to be in his service that he was correcting me and I knew it was him. Had he come to me to encourage such a relationship I would have known that would not be something he would do so it would have to be an incarnate, even though I could always justify it in some way. I wasn’t technically starting a relationship but I can’t deny that there wasn’t a subtle desire for such to come to pass even though it wouldn’t have been like the relationship I had for 17 years before that.

These dreams have all the power of Do’s mind in them so for me to ignore them would be a fall that would have consequences as they don’t need me – I need Ti and Do, that is if I want to be a member of their crew, a student in training for a future Overcoming classroom.

So in that sense, dreams have helped me have stronger faith. I never ceased believing in them but then that’s a degreed condition, as to believe but not abide by any of their teachings is hardly what that term was meant to mean when Jesus said it. It really meant to “put one’s trust and faith in all the Older Members taught”. One is doing that in degrees as they both accept all of their teachings and seek the strength to apply each lesson step while the Next Level considers what they know each of us is capable of living up to that is beyond the words. To those that much is given, much is required. If we don’t invest what we are given what we have already received is even taken away. Many chances are given, though should not be assumed as even the taking away seems to be gradual. Ti and Do said Lucifer was given many chances to reinstate a relationship with, as Ti put it, “the Lord”.

These dreams or premonitions don’t really add up to that trust and faith in our Older Members if we don’t allow the establishment of a substantial program of belief in everything they say, regardless of how completely, which we won’t know until we apply it and thus experience it’s truth built into proof and thus further faith in Their reality and lesson plan for us. Of course 2000 years ago the proof given the students like Thomas was a big demonstration of all Jesus had taught before then, but some of them needed that proof then. Those among them that returned in Soul form to take new human bodies to complete their overcoming of humanness through can’t be given that level of proof as then too much of their faith would be provided by convincing the vehicle when doubt is part of the footstool to rise above by our Mind’s recognition alone. Drawing in that Mind is what is happening when we adhere to all the Older Members teach during their incarnation which applies to those who come to believe in them after they exit as well. That’s part of why it’s framed as a “spirit/mind birth” being administered by the Older Members. One must draw in the Pure (holy) mind from their Older Member and make it their Mind/Spirit that completely washes the human vehicle clean of humanness, at least enough to be “viable” to be born into a Next Level vehicle or even an in between human and Next Level vehicle – a vehicle like the fallen angels had. Ti and Do said that the new graduates would be replacing those who fell away. It’s practical. If they tell us to stand on our heads and we do it, we are drawing on their Mind. If we stand on our heads for any other reason we are not drawing on their Mind. Ti and Do illustrated that a number of times by saying they felt they could simply recite the ABC’s and if we accepted it we’d be drawing from their minds. We would have meetings where Ti and Do would be talking about mundane procedures of how to measure the salt and flour. Some students, we learned by their questions/comments during the meeting that was indirectly saying they saw a better way of doing something. Ti and Do would often consider what the student was saying but then would come back to us in another meeting to make a lesson out of it, saying that they knew there were “better” ways we could come up with to do things but that they weren’t given to give us those ways. That became a big challenge to some. Someone who doesn’t believe in them at all sees much of the time spent on such mundane things as evidence that they were not so called “gods” and some of the students then dealt with those kinds of doubts, so it became yet another test for them to recognize it was an influence that had them entertain the doubt. It wasn’t a no no to have a doubt. It was a no no to let it linger in our heads for the longer it did the greater foothold it had on us and would eventually escalate to dropping out of the classroom.

And premonitions can also be generated by discarnates and/or the space aliens, so become a degree of proof of what we already are programmed to accept. For instance if I had been one who experienced the Fatima sighting or was abducted by space aliens and told something as a contactee and it seemed to have truth to it, I would potentially become a stronger servant of whoever provided that premonition or forcast. Ti and Do said that those that had the potential to become their students were not allowed to be abducted by space aliens. Now saying that might have applied most to those who were returning for a graduate class so someone reading this considering Ti and Do as their teachers to whatever degree that may have had some type of abduction experience wouldn’t mean they should give up on becoming students of Ti and Do. In fact anyone at any time regardless of what they have or have not experienced is still eligible to become Ti and Do’s student. They simply have to ask them, trusting they will be shown the way. I believe that since I had dropped out after having received so much, it was evidence that my influences had a strong hold on my vehicle, so that it took these kinds of minor proves to help me kick them out enough to be able to reconstitute a working relationship again. I must have needed that help while it can look to someone who didn’t have those experiences as my being special or blessed. Well, yes it is being blessed. We are also blessed when a major pillar of our humanness is taken away from us. Ti and Do said that Cain actually received the greater blessing when his offering wasn’t accepted by the Lord because a blessing from the Next Level is providing us with a challenge they know we can rise up to, that helps us further detach from the human kingdom even if it’s giving us something that is human because it’s what we want. In that case the Next Level wants us to have it, so we can learn that it wasn’t what we really wanted, though for some they get what they want and become satisfied with it and/or want more of the same. If that’s the case they don’t have the strength it takes (at least at that time) to get out of the human things they got into, though the Next Level will still give them further opportunities.

Ti and Do did also talk about Members of the Next Level circulating physically among us (human vehicles) in such a way that humans can not see. I guess that’s the third way in which they operate and why they are thought to be the same as discarnates. But Ti and Do said that Members of the Next Level serving in that capacity are NOT discarnates. They actually have physical bodies, but just like Jesus was able to demonstrate could alter the vibration of vehicles to they were rendered invisible to humans. Ti and Do said they could have an entire spacecraft literally engulfing our “craft” (house) and that if they allowed us to, if we touched them or bumped into them, we would feel their physicality, though they didn’t elaborate as to what we would feel. A human discarnate would not be felt by us as they are etheric. I don’t know if some or all of the fallen angels had physical bodies like these. I think not, though the fallen angels I do believe have a stronger capacity to influence humans and perform “tricks”. In fact that’s what Ti and Do said about, as you said, so called miricles like Fatima for example. They felt that was like a hologram the lower forces, fallen angel, space aliens generated.

Ti and Do once sent us to a theosophical society meeting, I believe in California somewhere just to observe. I remember seeing pictures and hear talk about some of these ascended masters transporting jewels through the palms of their hands. All Ti and Do said about this kind of thing was that it was a “trick” but I don’t think they meant a trick in the way a magician like Houdini does a trick exactly but then again, maybe so – a sleight of hand or a way of distracting the eye/mind. The Fatima event could have easily been done with technology as well, from a space alien spacecraft whether it’s technology we think of as physical as a computer or mental through a human or human equivalent biological computer.

Ti and Do did indicate that many diseases were the result of a discarnate’s relationship with a human, at times because that discarnate before death had a condition, by their interface with a human vehicle was transferring because it’s a program that the human receiving has allowed to take them over. They indicated that some breast cancers were from the result of guilt of some sort for that human, a form of negativity they had come to accept just like someone unknowingly accepts a discarnate for something seen as positive, like becoming a great sport’s or other entertainment or political figure for instance. When we accept any discarnates programming (mind) we get all they vibrated while alive though choose what to accept or reject the same as any programming put upon us. That programming directs cells to behave in a certain way to “run that program”.

Jesus said upon return it would be the returning lower forces that showed “signs” by performing tricks that could fool even the “elect” – the “chosen”, those who are given deposits of Next Level Mind that then provides a choice of what to believe in and what to reject – what to allow to build us into an instrument for the lower forces by becoming a “teacher” of spiritual transformation and enlightening or by becoming a student of the only real teachers from the Next Level who do not seek to stand out in the human kingdom to attract other humans to their self. They seek to only attract humans to the Mind given them by their Older Members and they only do that if that’s the task they were assigned so they are doing it for their Older Member not for the humans that could benefit from it. This way students are only looking upward, while any human can be used by the Next Level to reveal certain things to those that are asking to be in service to their Older Members. So it’s not like a student servant should block off where they get their information from as really we don’t know who has been given pieces of the truth that then in our continued searching can become the instrument know it or not of our further awakening in whatever tasks we seek to do for our Older Members. Ultimately any task we have is for US to grow from performing though the Next Level at the same time uses every servant to deliver to others who want to serve pieces of the true puzzle to further enable their serviceability.

Ti and Do did have us try to heal Brnody’s vehicle by laying our hands on her legs. I was one of them given that task on two occasions and can’t say I felt any special power coming through me and nor did I see any change in Brnody’s vehicle. She was largely in a wheel chair at that time as her legs were totally twisted with major knee inflammation. Ti had said it was part of the lesson Brnody needed. In the world she was very self reliant and with very strong opinions so for her to yield to anyone else’s will, including her teachers was a big challenge for her. It was a battle with an influence she had accepted. We all had those influences though they surfaced in different ways but it’s all part of the overcoming process. So why didn’t the laying on hands work as weren’t disciples supposed to be able to heal the sick, etc. Well, yes that was for the Jesus time and thereafter for a time. The Next Level can step in to help someone heal – run an influence away and as Jesus said, some required both “prayer” – asking our Older Member’s help AND “fasting” – treating with physical cleansing of toxins (that could go hand in hand with a discarnates programming). One could wonder if Ti and Do got that instruction to have some classmates lay hands on Brnody’s vehicle as a test of them and Brnody.

Sawyer regrets leaving Ti & Do’s Heaven’s Gate Classroom but hadn’t overcome Ego and Sexuality

Sawyer regrets leaving Ti & Do’s Heaven’s Gate Classroom but hadn’t overcome Ego and Sexuality

I was asked these two questions:

1) Do you ever regret leaving the classroom?

Yes I do regret leaving, yet at the same time, I was not learning a major lesson by staying. I’m not saying I couldn’t have learned it, and it could have been that I could have left my body as they did, which I was fully engaged in doing for a long time, and then, as some others been assigned a task that would be an opportunity to learn what I yet hadn’t. Do said that there were some in the classroom, though they were fully committed, still had more to learn before they would be provided with a Next Level vehicle.

In case you havn’t seen nor heard me talk about what this lesson was for me…

I was simply too full of myself, though I didn’t know it and in most ways didn’t act it either. In my mind, giving my life was the act of a hero, a martyr for God, a zealot and though that can be a stage, as with all things human, it wasn’t a next level attitude because it is so focused on being “seen as special”. Before Ti left she gave many students, perhaps all, I suspect, a note that contained points that Ti said if not learned sufficiently would “keep you off the spacecraft”. In other words as Do later put it…You would not be accepted on Ti’s crew as long as you hadn’t overcome/conquered these human characteristics. I had three things on my list.

1) likes to be seen as something special
2) a little too pleased with self
3) sarcastic (mostly with humans)

That was it but I didn’t know what to make of these except for the last one. When I was at what we called an “out of craft task” meaning a job outside the classroom environment, thus among those who weren’t trying to exit the human kingdom as we saw it, then I would at times be sarcastic in regards to the behavior of some whom I worked with. For instance I would sort of lord over them with zealotry, in particular, at a job that was cooking dinner, when another cook would get all angry and start using 4 letter words with yelling at others and the waiters/waitresses, I would at times indicate they were out of place – not needing to be vulgar, etc. and I didn’t come accross to them in a helpful way, but a sarcastic way.

Ti knew of some of the instances as I reported some but in particular I was fired by a job or two as a result though perhaps there was more to it, but Ti didn’t need to see a lot of examples to know this was a weakness of mine, as I was not at the job to try to change the way others were acting, though if they were acting that way to me, it would have been a different story but still not one to be sarcastic about, as if to put them into their place, while I held the higher ground.

After I left for a period of time I remember being critical of Ti’s telling me I like to be seen as special. I recall thinking…”no Ti I want to BE special, not be seen as special, and what’s wrong with that”. It was nearly 10 years after I left that I woke up to what Ti was saying.

Here it is the reason I fell off the sexual abstinance wagon by allowing thoughts that resulted in masturbation was because I had screamed to Ti (while Ti was outside the vehicle she’d had – what was diagnosed as liver cancer that started in her eye several years before she left), that I wanted a task like Do’s, like Jesus had. I had become so full of myself from working so closely with Do on so many tasks, helping fellow students, being the overseer of groups of fellow students in the 1994 2nd public face to face offerring of the info, doing a bunch of the speaking on video’s and in public meetings and on TV and Radio and for news articles and helped edit Rob Balch’s book on behalf of Do and was in someways looked up to for my self control (though I always was far more permissive of my eyes and thoughts at time in regards to sensuality/sexuality), though in someways I also accomplished a great deal in that discipline.

However I didn’t realize that Ti and Do’s crew were regulating how much temptation I was explosed to, which I did have several times I became privy to understanding. I knew at least in theory, but from my own experience that if Ti turned up the heat, I could be brought to my knees with my self discipline so when I inside my head demanded of Ti that I have a more challenging task, it was like saying the task I had was too easy so lay it on me, which wasn’t a negative to request, but I was doing so with a type of arrogance. Having the thirst to grow faster and serve more is great but that’s not where my head was entirely as I was operating for me, for my sense of heightening my self importance/value status. This wasn’t the first time but I didn’t see this until way after the fact.

But it wasn’t even hours after I screamed to Ti to demand faster growth and a task like Do had, (that I was not even remotley capable of handling because I had no idea what influences/discarnates he was regularily subject to – I did have some experience with knowing when you become a figurehead, as in any human organization as well, there are more that want what you have so there is competition and so one must build a skin to handle the associated stresses of popularity, not to mention what one gets when lots of people hate you and wish you were dead, which Ti and Do both received mostly indirectly via thoughts and feelings from relatives of their students as well as all the criticisms from students and students discarnate influences, Luciferian advasaries – They are legitimately being attacked around the clock with doubts about who they are and what they are responsible for – as Do wrote in 88Update, “not a day went by that I didn’t question my sanity”. Ti and Do told us they ran off our influences from us often. They knew which thoughts were the influences that focused on them from the ones that were from their students. The ones from students were not that hard to run off but it’s like being in a forest full of mosquitos – after a long day of bombardment it’s exhausting as anyone with a mentally stressful job can attest to.

Well their jobs was mental stress to the enth degree as they were not at all satisfied with themselves. They were always seeking how to help each student with their overcoming and how to move the overcall classroom to their next step which entailed physical considerations as well as how each student will respond – not wanting to lose them while not wanting to short them on what they needed to experience either, helping them make up theri own minds about what they wanted, the classroom or something in the world. If people knew to what lengths Ti and Do went to be sure each student genuinly to the best of their abilty wanted to do, they’d have no choice but to be in awe of these two and yet one would see any sign of this with Ti and it was only after Ti left that we saw the toll this took on Do, though how he rose above the weights each time)
that I was having sexual images in my head that I didn’t seem to have any abilty to stop or limit or distract myself from. I didn’t even seem to have the energy to want to stop them so at that moment I was out of control, when I thought I was so in control.

And yet after Do noticed how I’d become distant from him and I told him what I was doing, which was perhaps a week into regular masturbastion He asked me what I wanted to do and how he could help. I said, I needed to expose my breaking of vows/instructions to my fellow students, a regular occurance throughout the classroom and then at one point Do said to the group about me, that perhasp the hardest lesson any of us can have is failure. But at that point it was like I wasn’t even there and though in our “major/minor offense list” my actions and the deceit of hiding it were both grounds to be dismissed from the classroom, to which Do said, because I wasn’t threatening others with my loss of self control and because he said I had a lot to offer the Next Level so didn’t want to “throw me away”….that can sound harsh but in reality he had at that point 30 something other students that he was for his Older Member Ti responsible to bring through their individual birth canal. If any one student jeopardized another classmate’s viable birth or the mission, then that one was expendible, meaning they would be dismissed and given a plane ticket to where they wanted to do, usually with the option of coming back should they want to take a new stab at their overcoming process, which actually did happen with 19 students once sort of that way, but with 2 others with exactly that kind of ultimatum – that they needed to leave but if they wanted to tackle the lesson that caused them to be dismissed they would be accepted back. And we had a half way house for a while as well.

So now I’m in this semi-comfortable position. I’ve pushed past my fears of getting reinvolved which took years and began to be public with my experiences for the last 10 years, escalating more and more with a number of what I feel are contacts from Ti and from Do and from various classmates in dreams and in a sense of a open phone line and in theory I’m prepared to lose my life to this task, (though I doubt anyone takes it seriously enough to want to do away with the likes of me), yet at the same time I know I can offer Do more but feel for the moment I’m still doing what he’d have me do. But I’m very clear that in the not too distant future some major changes will take place that will make the 9/11 attack that brought endlenss war with no tangible enemy (the red horse) and endless financial crisis weights and balancing (the black horse) that will make it very unwise to be seen as soliciting new cult members (which I am not, but that’s never believed fully by those who know nothing about Ti and Do’s efforts), yet I must continue and when the internet becomes too restrictive in so doing (if that is what takes place eventually) then I know I must go on the road with the information, even church to church which can sound like a noble effort to some and to me in times past – you know that martyr/zealot syndrome that I don’t want to do, but I would not be able to just live out my vehicles days keeping what I know about Ti and Do bottled up.

So in some ways I do wish I would have stayed with them and left with them as I thought I was ready to do but as I have some roots re-established that are often fragile, I do feel further testing of my resolve and trust in Ti and Do will present itself which I really don’t feel that strong to deal with, but all I need to do is ask Do for help and I will get it but then I have to impliment that help. I still have the same lessons to face and in a way they are harder now, having failed once.

2) Why did you leave the classroom?  I hadn’t overcome Ego and sensuality in the form of Sexuality thoroughly explained:

Sawyer’s experience with sexuality in Ti & Do’s classroom